From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 00:05:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7145wZ4024792; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:05:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7145vi5024784; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:05:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [216.165.5.103] From: "Pierre C" To: nyc-moto@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: Stranded in NY: Recommend a mechanic please! Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 05:05:47 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2002 04:05:47.0936 (UTC) FILETIME=[B76BF200:01C23910] My bike gave up. Obviously it's the charging system. The heat made it extremely lazy, and now it charges below 12 V. I am in NY city right now on a trip, on my own, and i also forgot to bring a spare rectifier with me (for the first time i should add). I would need someone to please advise me on which mechanic to contact. I know that listers don't like mechanics in general, but i do need one. I cleaned all my connections (starter relay and grounds included) on my 98 VFR just before coming, and i just saw the charging voltage dropping till today it went below 12V. I have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE what the hell is wrong with the bike: a mechanic saw it in DC, i tested the bike following the electrexusa.com flowchart and the manual. I can't find a single thing that's wrong. Please, i should need to make it home, anyone knows of a honest mechanic around NY? i am in manhattan, chelsea. Thank you, Pierfrancesco 98 VFR _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 06:37:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71AbDZ4027141; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:37:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71AbCsY027128; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:37:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Paul Wilson" , Subject: Re: me again! Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:36:01 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <02ca01c238dd$6ba1f820$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <02ca01c238dd$6ba1f820$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208010636013H.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 31 July 2002 17:52, Paul Wilson wrote: > That little "those that have and those that will" maxim has always bugged > me, as if to excuse sub-par performance. > > Sign least likely to be seen in the scrub room at your local hospital: > > "There are two kinds of surgeons, those who have killed a patient and those > that will." > Probably a better comparison would be "There are two kinds of surgeons, those who have been sued and those that will be sued" > Sign least likely to be seen at an airport: > > "There are two kinds of pilots, those who have crashed and those that > will." > "There are two kinds of pilots, those who have had an unruly passenger and those that will." > Paul in DC > "There are two kinds of BDC, those who have crashed and those that will." "There are two kinds of programmer, those who have 'crashed' and those that will." It's more of a warning than proof that if you ride, you _will_ crash. Be aware. If you _never_ crash then you have kept your head in all situations (or been really lucky). Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 06:40:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71AemZ4027322; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:40:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71Aelbs027316; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:40:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Ricardo Pontes" , "dccycles" Subject: Re: thursday bike night at barnes and noble Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:39:35 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208010639353I.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 31 July 2002 23:04, Ricardo Pontes wrote: > I think people start to show up at around 8:00pm. Ive stayed there until > 12am before. But since they do stunts at airpark Rd, i might go up there to > see that after 9:00 or whatever. > 8pm! I'm settling down mentally and getting ready for bed. I have to get up at 4am to be at work. We need a Friday bike night (or Saturday). > Ricardo > Ill be the guy wearing the The Simpsons helmet :) > I'll be the guy sleeping at 10pm. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 06:57:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71AvIZ4027415; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:57:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71AvHd8027410; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:57:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020801105710.19171.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 03:57:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: cute? To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <81.1f3977ca.2a79fded@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > and a note: > > Nothing m/c related is cute. It can be hot, cool, > bitchin', > > spec-f#cking-tacular, schweeet, nearly anything else. > Never, EVER cute. > > Not Tom, not Chuck, not your bike, and not even you, > pun-kin. > > > > --jon > > > > now now now.. you know im new to the whole biker thing > but come on... i > believe that i am cute and my m/c is cute.... and maybe > even tom and chuck? > ..... but maybe you're right... 'hot' describes both my > bike and myself way > better! , what ... a ... piece ... of ... ass -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 07:20:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71BK4Z4027873; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:20:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71BK4A6027868; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:20:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <187.badd624.2a7a735b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:19:55 EDT Subject: Re: me again! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/31/2002 8:31:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > (1) Yes, cage = car. And BDC is Brain Dead Cager. The worst case, IMHO, is > a BDC in a Volvo. Second worst is a Saab. I don't know why the BD-est of > the BDC migrate to Swedish cars. > Just count the wheels. Anything over 3 is the worst. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 07:27:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71BRvZ4028063; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:27:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71BRuPJ028058; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:27:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D491C88.2B6204A7@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 07:33:29 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cute? References: <81.1f3977ca.2a79fded@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > now now now.. you know im new to the whole biker thing but come on... i > believe that i am cute and my m/c is cute.... and maybe even tom and chuck? > ..... but maybe you're right... 'hot' describes both my bike and myself way > better! (cute just sounds less conceded you know?!) Weellll, you may be cute, but Tom & Chuck? Nonono, when referring to a guy, cute is BAD! Cute is poofy. Cute is little, like a little kid. Us guys cringe at the implication of "little", much like a girl's reaction to "wide" or that F word that rhymes with cat. Hot doesn't work in biker-land either -- it's Hottie! I dearly love Hotties. And a motorcycle could be hot also. Flashback to the Suzuki advert blitz in the '80s which featured a Hottie in tight leathers - "Put something exciting between your legs" Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 07:29:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71BTsZ4028338; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:29:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71BTr11028332; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:29:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6f.2b5ffa3c.2a7a75a7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:29:43 EDT Subject: Re: me again! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/31/2002 9:49:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, msandler@XXXXXX writes: > Its not the riders who > have crashed that you need to worry about, ITS THE ONES THAT HAVEN'T > Actually its the ones who know they are not going to crash that will get you into trouble. Note: _Always_ know where you are going, and how to get there so you do not have to keep up. _Do not_ let anyone "drag" you into speeds you are not comfortable with. Riding is _always_ a solo sport, it is just you and your bike, ride that way. Go for Smooth not speed, speed will come naturally (If you want it) when you get smooth. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 07:54:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71BsoZ4028753; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:54:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71Bsmqi028738; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:54:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <19b.635c6cc.2a7a7b7c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:54:36 EDT Subject: drag-a-way in monrovia, md To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 hi everyone! (again) howard was very nice to tell me about drag-a-way in monrovia tomorrow (friday). i do believe that we are going to meet up and head over there. anyone else interested in meeting us in westminster about 6? or is anyone else interested in meeting us in monrovia? from what howard said, spectators pay $7. if you really want to race, its $15. let me know if you're interested! jenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 08:07:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71C7SZ4028974; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:07:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71C7SBu028967; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:07:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020801082506.04243080@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 08:25:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: drag-a-way in monrovia, md Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:54 AM 8/1/02 EDT, you wrote: >howard was very nice to tell me about drag-a-way in monrovia tomorrow >(friday). i do believe that we are going to meet up and head over there. >anyone else interested in meeting us in westminster about 6? or is anyone >else interested in meeting us in monrovia? from what howard said, spectators > >pay $7. if you really want to race, its $15. http://www.7580dragway.com/ I haven't been over there for several months (my car is in pieces :-) but Friday nights are pretty busy. If you can ignore the 16-second-Civic-baggy-pants-crowd, the OPS cars are down in the low-low 5s in the 1/8, which makes for some exciting spectating :-) MIR is having a bike shootout this weekend. A friend of mine with a stroked ZX12 is heading down to compete, using his nitrous setup for the first time - http://www.dontbescaredracing.com/ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 08:10:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71CATZ4029154; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:10:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71CATHl029150; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:10:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020801121027.25119.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 05:10:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: me again! To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <008601c2388e$445b49a0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jon Strang wrote: > (1) Yes, cage = car. And BDC is Brain Dead Cager. The > worst case, IMHO, is > a BDC in a Volvo. Second worst is a Saab. I don't know > why the BD-est of > the BDC migrate to Swedish cars. i'm forwarding this to my wife (who drives a saab convertible).... keep an on your mailbox for a gift from eturd.com -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 08:45:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71CjUZ4029508; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:45:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71CjTEY029501; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:45:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 1 Aug 2002 12:45:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20020801124527.4784.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Times OP ED piece X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) from today's times: http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20020801-647230.htmEDITORIAL )B• August 1, 2002 Common sense and motorcycle licensing The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) recently published some interesting data regarding an alarming uptick in motorcycle accidents and fatalities. According to NHTSA, motorcycle registrations have increased substantially during the past few years, from 3.8 million to 4.2 million between 1997 and 1999, which is also exactly the same time period during which motorcycle accident fatality rates rose significantly as well )B— up to 23.4 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in 1999 from 21.0 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in 1997. Many of these fatalities involved older riders, those aged 40 and above, many of whom did not previously hold motorcycle licenses. Today, the average age of a motorcycle rider is 38.5 years, whereas it was 26.9 in 1980. It's almost certain that the increase in crashes noted by NHTSA these past several years is the result of rider inexperience )B— putting a relative novice on a huge bike that was probably chosen because it looked cool and the middle-aged guy buying it couldn't see himself putt-putting around on a lighter "starter bike." Most guys who don't get into cycling in their teenage or college years aren't likely to start out on the kinds of bikes that someone 16-22 years old would. That's not because of the inherent sensibility of the under-25 crowd. It's just simple economics: Under-25s don't have the money to buy a big bike, so they get what they can afford, which is almost always something smaller, lighter and less powerful than they'd get if they had the extra money. But a 35-year-old who is looking to buy his first bike is probably indulging himself with a "toy" and has disposable income to burn. He can afford the $8,000-$15,000 or more to buy a big cruiser, so he does. The results are predictable. It would probably be a good thing if either motorcycling license requirements were a bit tougher (they're laughable in most states), or if people simply exercised better judgment and kept within their limits. There's no shame in acquiring valuable motorcycling skills on a "starter bike" before moving up. Your life may depend upon your prudence. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 08:49:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71CnVZ4029728; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:49:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71CnV6W029724; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:49:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYtcxXQLAiw6paHEfKrWWZEWhGquuH5TjKe67QATGWmDaF1ET6SKGDFJSlucIL/vLQ= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Would folks pay for indoor winter bike storage? Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:49:58 -0400 Message-ID: <004001c23959$f189aec0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Winter...isn't that when I plug in my Widder electrics before I go for a ride? --jon 01 Suz Bandit 1200 -----Original Message----- From: Rob Curtis Helene and I are in the midst of doing some work on our home in Springfield that would include a sizable garage. I just went out back and measured out what 24x26 would look like and realized it's a lot of room! So, I'm thinking I've got room to store maybe 8-10 bikes for the winter. Would folks pay $350 for heated storage from December to March, with access and workshop privileges (w/free oil disposal!) on two Sundays/Mondays each month during the storage period? This wouldn't be a community garage, when the snow's gone, so are the bikes... Any Takers? Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 08:54:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71CsfZ4029933; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:54:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71CselB029927; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:54:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020801091159.04247798@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:12:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: RE: me again! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:10 AM 8/1/02 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Jon Strang wrote: >> (1) Yes, cage = car. And BDC is Brain Dead Cager. The >> worst case, IMHO, is >> a BDC in a Volvo. Second worst is a Saab. I don't know >> why the BD-est of >> the BDC migrate to Swedish cars. > >i'm forwarding this to my wife (who drives a saab >convertible).... > >keep an on your mailbox for a gift from eturd.com We sold a '98 Saab 900 Turbo when we bought our S4. My wife is a better driver in the Audi. ;-) ;-) Since we're gauging driving ability based on vehicle type, the worst drivers by far are Minima, er, Maxima drivers. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 08:55:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71CtQZ4030119; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:55:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71CtP68030108; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:55:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbv6S74TEvXpSGanfUNwpLCa7Aj9aeleXCSeAPhSeKmr/7KllW/JMBKnXHFv15Jg5Q= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: me again! Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:55:52 -0400 Message-ID: <004101c2395a$c4e99f00$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020801121027.25119.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> A Snaab? I can't believe it. I thought you were proletariat from the ground up. I mean, the Duc was borderline...but you ride the wheels off of it and it's never been cleaned (bugs from *last* summer in the intakes!), so that was cool. My view of you, TG, has been shattered. Completely shattered. --jon p.s. Looking forward to the gift! -----Tom Gimer wrote: --- Jon Strang wrote: > (1) Yes, cage = car. And BDC is Brain Dead Cager. The > worst case, IMHO, is > a BDC in a Volvo. Second worst is a Saab. I don't know > why the BD-est of > the BDC migrate to Swedish cars. i'm forwarding this to my wife (who drives a saab convertible).... keep an on your mailbox for a gift from eturd.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 09:36:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71DaRZ4030474; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:36:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71DaRHx030469; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:36:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Ricardo Pontes'" , dccycles Subject: RE: Thursday bike night at barnes and noble Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:36:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain Hey, people don't go to airpark anymore there was a terrible accident there about two weeks ago a guy died in front of Iron works cycles and the cops patrol the area heavily. So don't even go near airpark on a Thursday. I'll be the one with the blue Katana. art -----Original Message----- From: Ricardo Pontes [mailto:ricardo@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:04 PM To: dccycles Subject: RE: thursday bike night at barnes and noble I think people start to show up at around 8:00pm. Ive stayed there until 12am before. But since they do stunts at airpark Rd, i might go up there to see that after 9:00 or whatever. Ricardo Ill be the guy wearing the The Simpsons helmet :) I actually have a night free, what time will this bike night start? Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S -----Original Message----- From: Ricardo Pontes [mailto:ricardo@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:18 PM To: dccycles Subject: thursday bike night at barnes and noble Thursday Bike night at Barnes and Noble in Rockville, MD. Anyone coming from the dccycles group? Am i the only one? The b&N is off of route 355(rockville pike) and Randolph Road. Ricardo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 09:43:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71DhRZ4030679; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:43:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71DhRke030674; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:43:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaYtcXna8GVLA+gTbQpYKGhNZqXaIGDS+sxTDGE8mMlBJvuAZXAM2/5xFFqgrkD2xo= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: cute? Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:43:54 -0400 Message-ID: <004901c23961$7adf4a20$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <81.1f3977ca.2a79fded@aol.com> jtb wrote: > now now now.. you know im new to the whole biker thing but > come on... i believe that i am cute and my m/c is cute.... I can just hear the blonde (sorry, Patti) "huh-Huh!" smiley-giggle thing going on after that statement. Complete with head cock, hair flip, eye twinkle, and vacant grin. > and maybe even tom and chuck? No, not even in the slightest. And Tom is fictitious. He's really one of Chuck's pseudonyms. We know Chuck is real, cuz we see him on da TV alla time. Speaking of pseudonyms, are you sure you're not Bill Huson (or someone else) E. Anking our chains? > ..... but maybe you're right... 'hot' describes both my bike and myself way > better! (cute just sounds less conceded you know?!) Conceded? I'm confused. Oh, conceited. As in "I thought I was cute and a real hottie, but someone told me I was just conceited." Got it. >thanks for the biker lingo lesson! all of you really do know lots of stuff! That's b/c we've got lots of experience working on our thing-a-mabobs and using our doohickeys. --jon I need more coffee. I feel grumpy. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 10:08:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71E8EZ4031005; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:08:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71E8DN0030986; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:08:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D49421E.758CA16@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:13:50 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jmstrang@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cute? References: <004901c23961$7adf4a20$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon Strang wrote: > jtb wrote: > > > now now now.. you know im new to the whole biker thing but > > come on... i believe that i am cute and my m/c is cute.... > > No, not even in the slightest. And Tom is fictitious. He's really one of > Chuck's pseudonyms. We know Chuck is real, cuz we see him on da TV alla > time. > > Speaking of pseudonyms, are you sure you're not Bill Huson (or someone else) > E. Anking our chains? ME? Faking a female persona? Nonono. Well, in my youth I did have a nice collection of female silky thangs. Sorta like a tactile journal... oh, nevermind. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 10:11:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71EBDZ4031057; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:11:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71EBDRZ031051; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:11:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Paddle Walkin' Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:11:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I figure they're self-taught, inexperienced, a combo of the two or comedians. MSF courses instruct not to, experienced KNOWLEDGEABLE riders know better. I've ridden forward control HD's, once or twice and never felt the need to. Perhaps it's a balance issue on the rider's part. One thing MSF talks about is... getting over it. If you do "paddle" walk, practice NOT doing it. Get you feet up on the foot rests for quick access to the controls. It is rather humorous looking. >What's up with all these people that paddle-walk their bikes at slow speeds? >I don't mean to pick on the Harley riders here, but I see it a LOT with >people on Harleys, especially baggers. I realize that these are heavy bikes, >>but I thought they carried their weight pretty low, so slow speed stability >should not be an issue. I'm riding a Concours, which is massively top-heavy, >and can pretty much never put a foot down except at a full stop. And if I'm >on the ZX-6, it's even easier to not put a foot down. >At first I thought these were just very inexperienced riders, or maybe just >lazy, but then I got to wonder if it's because so many Harleys (and other >cruisers) have forward mounted pegs. I haven't ridden anything with pegs >that weren't largely underneath my body, so I don't know if that would make >a difference. Of course, most baggers tend to have floorboards, so I don't >know if that makes a difference. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 10:22:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71EM1Z4031405; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:22:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71EM0pY031397; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:22:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006c01c23966$1794cb70$b5562441@cato.org> Reply-To: "Steve Miller" From: "Steve Miller" To: References: <20020801124527.4784.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Subject: Re: Times OP ED piece Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:16:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 The problem with graduated licensing is that it tends to focus on displacement rather than kill-me potential. Is a 1500cc cruiser really more dangerous for an inexperienced rider than a 600 Supersport? If it's true that "[m]any of these fatalities involved older riders, those aged 40 and above, many of whom did not previously hold motorcycle licenses," then I wonder what are the obvious difference is with that rider groups' demographic. Are they less likely to wear helmets, or less likely to wear good helmets (I see a lot of beanies on weekends)? Are they much less likely to get rider training, i.e. MSF course, track school? -- Steve, just wondering. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:45 AM Subject: Times OP ED piece > from today's times: > http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20020801-647230.htmEDITORIAL > > . August 1, 2002 > > Common sense and motorcycle licensing > > The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) recently published some interesting data regarding an alarming uptick in motorcycle accidents and fatalities. According to NHTSA, motorcycle registrations have increased substantially during the past few years, from 3.8 million to 4.2 million between 1997 and 1999, which is also exactly the same time period during which motorcycle accident fatality rates rose significantly as well - up to 23.4 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in 1999 from 21.0 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in 1997. Many of these fatalities involved older riders, those aged 40 and above, many of whom did not previously hold motorcycle licenses. Today, the average age of a motorcycle rider is 38.5 years, whereas it was 26.9 in 1980. > It's almost certain that the increase in crashes noted by NHTSA these past several years is the result of rider inexperience - putting a relative novice on a huge bike that was probably chosen because it looked cool and the middle-aged guy buying it couldn't see himself putt-putting around on a lighter "starter bike." Most guys who don't get into cycling in their teenage or college years aren't likely to start out on the kinds of bikes that someone 16-22 years old would. That's not because of the inherent sensibility of the under-25 crowd. It's just simple economics: Under-25s don't have the money to buy a big bike, so they get what they can afford, which is almost always something smaller, lighter and less powerful than they'd get if they had the extra money. But a 35-year-old who is looking to buy his first bike is probably indulging himself with a "toy" and has disposable income to burn. He can afford the $8,000-$15,000 or more to buy a big cruiser, so he does. > The results are predictable. It would probably be a good thing if either motorcycling license requirements were a bit tougher (they're laughable in most states), or if people simply exercised better judgment and kept within their limits. There's no shame in acquiring valuable motorcycling skills on a "starter bike" before moving up. Your life may depend upon your prudence. > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Powered by Wild On Web: > Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! > http://www.wildonweb.com > |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| > |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 10:23:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71ENgZ4031578; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:23:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71ENf92031572; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:23:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: thursday bike night at barnes and noble Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:22:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2002 14:22:35.0478 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1A2B760:01C23966] I'll probably stop by the B&N tonight, too. What the hell. Pass on the Airpark Rd. show. Not after that fatal last month. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: thursday bike night at barnes and noble Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:04:01 -0400 I think people start to show up at around 8:00pm. Ive stayed there until 12am before. But since they do stunts at airpark Rd, i might go up there to see that after 9:00 or whatever. Ricardo Ill be the guy wearing the The Simpsons helmet :) I actually have a night free, what time will this bike night start? Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S -----Original Message----- From: Ricardo Pontes [mailto:ricardo@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:18 PM To: dccycles Subject: thursday bike night at barnes and noble Thursday Bike night at Barnes and Noble in Rockville, MD. Anyone coming from the dccycles group? Am i the only one? The b&N is off of route 355(rockville pike) and Randolph Road. Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 10:46:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71EkMZ4031888; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:46:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71EkMFg031883; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:46:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 1 Aug 2002 14:46:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20020801144620.24549.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) A wondering Steve pondered aloud- >The problem with graduated licensing is that it tends to focus on >displacement rather than kill-me potential. Is a 1500cc cruiser really more >dangerous for an inexperienced rider than a 600 Supersport? [Dave] When you put a kid with no previous riding experience or training on a bicycle with no training wheels, what happens ? I think (I'm not opining in this case) the thrust of the article is that in general motorcycle ridership is getting older & including more 'affluent' newbies that *CAN* afford bikes that are more likely to get them in trouble if they're not careful... the last 4 words being operative. If it's true >that "[m]any of these fatalities involved older riders, those aged 40 and >above, many of whom did not previously hold motorcycle licenses," then I >wonder what are the obvious difference is with that rider groups' >demographic. Are they less likely to wear helmets, or less likely to wear >good helmets (I see a lot of beanies on weekends)? Are they much less >likely to get rider training, i.e. MSF course, track school? [Dave] darn good question(s). Driver training in general is pathetic here, rider training is only marginally better. What seems to be indicated by the article is that 16-40 year olds with mega mondo horsepower are ok, but old timers (40 & over) need remedial training... Out of the blue question: Aren't Sikh males required to wear a turban ? Isn't it religious disrimination to compel them to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle ? Dave >-- Steve, just wondering. >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:45 AM >Subject: Times OP ED piece >> from today's times: >> http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20020801-647230.htmEDITORIAL >> >> . August 1, 2002 >> >> Common sense and motorcycle licensing >> >> The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) recently >published some interesting data regarding an alarming uptick in motorcycle >accidents and fatalities. According to NHTSA, motorcycle registrations have >increased substantially during the past few years, from 3.8 million to 4.2 >million between 1997 and 1999, which is also exactly the same time period >during which motorcycle accident fatality rates rose significantly as well - >up to 23.4 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in 1999 from >21.0 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in 1997. Many of >these fatalities involved older riders, those aged 40 and above, many of >whom did not previously hold motorcycle licenses. Today, the average age of >a motorcycle rider is 38.5 years, whereas it was 26.9 in 1980. >> It's almost certain that the increase in crashes noted by NHTSA >these past several years is the result of rider inexperience - putting a >relative novice on a huge bike that was probably chosen because it looked >cool and the middle-aged guy buying it couldn't see himself putt-putting >around on a lighter "starter bike." Most guys who don't get into cycling in >their teenage or college years aren't likely to start out on the kinds of >bikes that someone 16-22 years old would. That's not because of the inherent >sensibility of the under-25 crowd. It's just simple economics: Under-25s >don't have the money to buy a big bike, so they get what they can afford, >which is almost always something smaller, lighter and less powerful than >they'd get if they had the extra money. But a 35-year-old who is looking to >buy his first bike is probably indulging himself with a "toy" and has >disposable income to burn. He can afford the $8,000-$15,000 or more to buy a >big cruiser, so he does. >> The results are predictable. It would probably be a good thing if >either motorcycling license requirements were a bit tougher (they're >laughable in most states), or if people simply exercised better judgment and >kept within their limits. There's no shame in acquiring valuable >motorcycling skills on a "starter bike" before moving up. Your life may >depend upon your prudence. >> >> >> >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Powered by Wild On Web: >> Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! >> http://www.wildonweb.com >> |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| >> |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 10:59:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71ExhZ4032103; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:59:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71ExhEX032097; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:59:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <017501c2396c$bc316480$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <20020801124527.4784.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Subject: Re: Times OP ED piece Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:03:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: > from today's times: > http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20020801-647230.htmEDITORIAL > > . August 1, 2002 > > Common sense and motorcycle licensing > > The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) recently published some interesting data regarding an alarming uptick in motorcycle accidents and fatalities. According to NHTSA, motorcycle registrations have increased substantially during the past few years, from 3.8 million to 4.2 million between 1997 and 1999, which is also exactly the same time period during which motorcycle accident fatality rates rose significantly as well - up to 23.4 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in 1999 from 21.0 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in 1997. Many of these fatalities involved older riders, those aged 40 and above, many of whom did not previously hold motorcycle licenses. Today, the average age of a motorcycle rider is 38.5 years, whereas it was 26.9 in 1980. ---- PW: Hey, I'm still below average.... Ronald Reagan used to remark, "the nine scariest words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" In a similar vein, the five scariest words in the English language to an MSF instructor during the Friday night intros are, "I've been riding for years." The skill level among "re-treads" and self-described "experienced" riders is sometimes downright frightening. ---- Times: > It's almost certain that the increase in crashes noted by NHTSA these past several years is the result of rider inexperience - putting a relative novice on a huge bike that was probably chosen because it looked cool and the middle-aged guy buying it couldn't see himself putt-putting around on a lighter "starter bike." ---- PW: I dunno, a Buell Blast can serve as a remarkably effective gene pool removal tool, in the "wrong" hands. ---- Times: Most guys who don't get into cycling in their teenage or college years aren't likely to start out on the kinds of bikes that someone 16-22 years old would. That's not because of the inherent sensibility of the under-25 crowd. It's just simple economics: Under-25s don't have the money to buy a big bike, so they get what they can afford, which is almost always something smaller, lighter and less powerful than they'd get if they had the extra money. ----- PW: One wonders if the Times editorialist has heard of credit unions, banks, and "easy terms" dealer financing. I see plenty of young sub-25-year-olds on brand new liter bikes that aren't exactly cheap. ----- Times: But a 35-year-old who is looking to buy his first bike is probably indulging himself with a "toy" and has disposable income to burn. He can afford the $8,000-$15,000 or more to buy a big cruiser, so he does. > The results are predictable. It would probably be a good thing if either motorcycling license requirements were a bit tougher (they're laughable in most states), or if people simply exercised better judgment and kept within their limits. There's no shame in acquiring valuable motorcycling skills on a "starter bike" before moving up. Your life may depend upon your prudence. ----- PW: Interesting to see a newspaper editorial on bikes that's somewhat nuanced and thoughtful. They don't mention rider impairment, though, which is a big factor in crashes, as well as the riders who don't even bother to comply with the "laughable" state requirements and ride without endorsements. They seem to be hinting at graduated licensing, without coming out and saying it. And, as one would expect from the Times, they place the onus on the individual, where it belongs. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 11:33:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71FXaZ4032636; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:33:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71FXZLL032620; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:33:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:36:10 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: sdave@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece In-Reply-To: <20020801144620.24549.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > [Dave] When you put a kid with no previous riding experience or training > on a bicycle with no training wheels, what happens ? > > I think (I'm not opining in this case) the thrust of the article is that > in general motorcycle ridership is getting older & including more > 'affluent' newbies that *CAN* afford bikes that are more likely to get > them in trouble if they're not careful... the last 4 words being > operative. > I think the Motor Co. should pay up for MSF classes. Its not like they dont make a ton of profit per bike, it would keep their rider/buyer base more in tact. Honda does. My father, who's in his 50's has gotten the hankering for a softail because his buddy is thinking about getting one. Neither thought about any rider training, or even wearing helmets for that matter (they live in IL). I've let him take my bike around the block. I cringe at the thought of him going out on the streets. A friend's dad also got the hankerin for a big bad hog, he had it for two weeks, then spent another four in the hospital. I agree that they should start out on something smaller, but in most cases its just plain denial, they won't be the one that wrecks, thats why the start big and wear no gear. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 11:36:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71FaOZ4000354; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:36:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71FaOAo000345; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:36:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020801113809.0358bd90@mail.ncifcrf.gov> X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 11:38:50 -0700 To: "Rob Keiser" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lori Wilson Subject: RE: thursday bike night at barnes and noble In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Rob/All I'll be either at the Barnes and Noble or the Hooters tonight Yellow VFR/Orange front fender At 10:22 AM 8/1/02 -0400, Rob Keiser wrote: >I'll probably stop by the B&N tonight, too. What the hell. > >Pass on the Airpark Rd. show. Not after that fatal last month. > >Rob >'98 VFR800 > >From: "Ricardo Pontes" >To: "dccycles" >Subject: RE: thursday bike night at barnes and noble >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:04:01 -0400 > > > >I think people start to show up at around 8:00pm. Ive stayed there until >12am before. But since they do stunts at airpark Rd, i might go up there to >see that after 9:00 or whatever. > >Ricardo >Ill be the guy wearing the The Simpsons helmet :) > > >I actually have a night free, what time will this bike night start? > >Scott Russell >1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ricardo Pontes [mailto:ricardo@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:18 PM >To: dccycles >Subject: thursday bike night at barnes and noble > > > > >Thursday Bike night at Barnes and Noble in Rockville, MD. Anyone coming from >the dccycles group? Am i the only one? The b&N is off of route 355(rockville >pike) and Randolph Road. > >Ricardo > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 11:43:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71FhVZ4000608; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:43:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71FhVhV000604; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:43:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 1 Aug 2002 15:43:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20020801154329.875.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) A still wondering Steve Asked: >> [Dave] When you put a kid with no previous riding experience or training >on a bicycle with no training wheels, >what happens ? Steve: >They fall over, but they don't DIE. That's what I don't get. [Dave] Ok... Good point... ;-) I can imagine >many of these guys dropping their bikes in parking lots or at stop signs, >but a fatal accident generally happens at speed, when the bike is much more >stable all on its own. Aren't fatal accidents generally the result of >riding over your head, or mis-judging traffic, i.e. not knowing how to avoid >the BDCs? [Dave] PW(Paul) had some good points. I forget the percentage, but a large number of riders go down 'impaired' by chemicals. Failure to negotiate turn(s) is up there too... I'm not sure the displacement or weight of a bike is a factor in >the case of the latter, and I always thought the limitations of most >cruisers tend to prevent the former. [Dave] I think the Times Editorial staff can find more significant things to write about, like common sense license reform for CAR & SUV drivers. The numbers show the carnage plain and simple, more people die from minivans & SUV's than even RIDE motorcycles ! ! ! ! Stop the Horror, For the Children ! Another out of the blue question: Why isn't the conductor of train that wrecked in jail ? He saw an obstruction on the tracks, hit the brakes & couldn't stop. Many injuries resulted. Conductor was obviously going to fast for conditions if he couldn't stop... He could've killed dozens, and he still walks free. If any one of us did that in our commuting, we would be hauled off to jail... I'm just asking... Dave >-- Steve, still wondering. >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:46 AM >Subject: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece >> A wondering Steve pondered aloud- >> >> >The problem with graduated licensing is that it tends to focus on >> >displacement rather than kill-me potential. Is a 1500cc cruiser really >more >> >dangerous for an inexperienced rider than a 600 Supersport? >> >> [Dave] When you put a kid with no previous riding experience or training >on a bicycle with no training wheels, what happens ? >> >> I think (I'm not opining in this case) the thrust of the article is that >in general motorcycle ridership is getting older & including more 'affluent' >newbies that *CAN* afford bikes that are more likely to get them in trouble >if they're not careful... the last 4 words being operative. >> >> If it's true >> >that "[m]any of these fatalities involved older riders, those aged 40 and >> >above, many of whom did not previously hold motorcycle licenses," then I >> >wonder what the obvious difference is with that rider groups' >> >demographic. Are they less likely to wear helmets, or less likely to >wear >> >good helmets (I see a lot of beanies on weekends)? Are they much less >> >likely to get rider training, i.e. MSF course, track school? >> >> [Dave] darn good question(s). Driver training in general is pathetic >here, rider training is only marginally better. What seems to be indicated >by the article is that 16-40 year olds with mega mondo horsepower are ok, >but old timers (40 & over) need remedial training... >> >> Out of the blue question: >> >> Aren't Sikh males required to wear a turban ? Isn't it religious >disrimination to compel them to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle ? >> >> >> Dave >> >> >-- Steve, just wondering. >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: >> >To: >> >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:45 AM >> >Subject: Times OP ED piece >> >> from today's times: >> >> http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20020801-647230.htmEDITORIAL >> >> >> >> . August 1, 2002 >> >> >> >> Common sense and motorcycle licensing >> >> >> >> The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) >recently >> >published some interesting data regarding an alarming uptick in >motorcycle >> >accidents and fatalities. According to NHTSA, motorcycle registrations >have >> >increased substantially during the past few years, from 3.8 million to >4.2 >> >million between 1997 and 1999, which is also exactly the same time period >> >during which motorcycle accident fatality rates rose significantly as >well - >> >up to 23.4 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in 1999 >from >> >21.0 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in 1997. Many of >> >these fatalities involved older riders, those aged 40 and above, many of >> >whom did not previously hold motorcycle licenses. Today, the average age >of >> >a motorcycle rider is 38.5 years, whereas it was 26.9 in 1980. >> >> It's almost certain that the increase in crashes noted by NHTSA >> >these past several years is the result of rider inexperience - putting a >> >relative novice on a huge bike that was probably chosen because it looked >> >cool and the middle-aged guy buying it couldn't see himself putt-putting >> >around on a lighter "starter bike." Most guys who don't get into cycling >in >> >their teenage or college years aren't likely to start out on the kinds of >> >bikes that someone 16-22 years old would. That's not because of the >inherent >> >sensibility of the under-25 crowd. It's just simple economics: Under-25s >> >don't have the money to buy a big bike, so they get what they can afford, >> >which is almost always something smaller, lighter and less powerful than >> >they'd get if they had the extra money. But a 35-year-old who is looking >to >> >buy his first bike is probably indulging himself with a "toy" and has >> >disposable income to burn. He can afford the $8,000-$15,000 or more to >buy a >> >big cruiser, so he does. >> >> The results are predictable. It would probably be a good thing if >> >either motorcycling license requirements were a bit tougher (they're >> >laughable in most states), or if people simply exercised better judgment >and >> >kept within their limits. There's no shame in acquiring valuable >> >motorcycling skills on a "starter bike" before moving up. Your life may >> >depend upon your prudence. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> Powered by Wild On Web: >> >> Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! >> >> http://www.wildonweb.com >> >> |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| >> >> |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... >> >> >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Powered by Wild On Web: >> Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! >> http://www.wildonweb.com >> |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| >> |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 11:44:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71FicZ4000896; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:44:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71Fic8p000891; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:44:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: Times OP ED piece Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:43:27 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <20020801124527.4784.qmail@server445.gisol.com> <017501c2396c$bc316480$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <017501c2396c$bc316480$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208011143273L.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 01 August 2002 11:03, Paul Wilson wrote: > ---- > > Times: > > It's almost certain that the increase in crashes noted by NHTSA > > these past several years is the result of rider inexperience - putting a > relative novice on a huge bike that was probably chosen because it looked > cool and the middle-aged guy buying it couldn't see himself putt-putting > around on a lighter "starter bike." > > ---- > PW: I dunno, a Buell Blast can serve as a remarkably effective gene pool > removal tool, in the "wrong" hands. > Yea, but it's probably already too late by then, 40+ year old drivers very likely already have propigated their defective genes by then. > ---- > Times: > ----- > PW: One wonders if the Times editorialist has heard of credit unions, > banks, and "easy terms" dealer financing. I see plenty of young > sub-25-year-olds on brand new liter bikes that aren't exactly cheap. > And Harley-Davidson seems to accept just about anyone with the 10% down payment. The interest rate may be illegal but you have a bike :-) > ----- > > Times: But a 35-year-old who is looking to buy his first bike is probably > indulging himself with a "toy" and has disposable income to burn. He can > afford the $8,000-$15,000 or more to buy a big cruiser, so he does. > Yea but lots of them are posers. I've seen several bikes for sale with less than 2k miles on them and are 2 or 3 years old. Buy it, park it, admire themselves, sell it. Besides, "many of the riders are over 40" may not be all that significant a number. How many is "many"? What ratio? What conditions? Long distance? City? Left turn accidents? What other information is available? Plus, that means that "most" of the accidents are happening to the under 40 crowd. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 11:46:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71FkQZ4001093; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:46:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71FkPmR001085; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:46:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaU14uNUATPKlBr00JAw+zsUSsgu1LP7o801RrMeY7EkRZOMOObWhiZKNHNCSuObQY= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Re: Times OP ED piece Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:46:52 -0400 Message-ID: <005201c23972$a81c30f0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: NO! There is NO SUCH THING AS THE COMPANY PAYING FOR IT!!!! jeebus, why do people say such things? The money doesn't come from "the company". It comes from the price I/you/we PAY for the bike(s). It's not semantics. It's that the price will rise exactly the amount that it costs to fund the MSF classes. You can't tax a for-profit company, you can't levy a judgment (e.g. Philip Morris) on a for-profit company, you can't make THEM pay for something. The CUSTOMER(s) always pays. The tobacco suits basically just enacted a new tax on smokers (mostly poor people) and sent the money to the legal teams assorted government(s) agencies. A hugely regressive tax supported by (mainly) Democrats who are supposed to be against these things. --jon sick and tired of it today. so sorry, nothing personal. finex rant-ex. -----dan wrote: I think the Motor Co. should pay up for MSF classes. Its not like they dont make a ton of profit per bike, it would keep their rider/buyer base more in tact. Honda does. My father, who's in his 50's has gotten the hankering for a softail because his buddy is thinking about getting one. Neither thought about any rider training, or even wearing helmets for that matter (they live in IL). I've let him take my bike around the block. I cringe at the thought of him going out on the streets. A friend's dad also got the hankerin for a big bad hog, he had it for two weeks, then spent another four in the hospital. I agree that they should start out on something smaller, but in most cases its just plain denial, they won't be the one that wrecks, thats why the start big and wear no gear. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 11:47:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71FlsZ4001278; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:47:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71FlraB001272; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:47:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVanj5T8wBbkN9wrSSjdHxlGUSqGIAoqpECripdgjs4e5A2RKlSNtC2yBVxo3X5BeRU= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: , Subject: RE: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:48:20 -0400 Message-ID: <005301c23972$dceed5d0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020801154329.875.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Trains take mile(s) to stop. ------------------------ Another out of the blue question: Why isn't the conductor of train that wrecked in jail ? He saw an obstruction on the tracks, hit the brakes & couldn't stop. Many injuries resulted. Conductor was obviously going to fast for conditions if he couldn't stop... He could've killed dozens, and he still walks free. If any one of us did that in our commuting, we would be hauled off to jail... I'm just asking... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 12:22:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71GM1Z4001670; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:22:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71GM1AE001665; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:22:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007b01c23978$3a135740$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <20020801154329.875.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Subject: OT Trains, was Re: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:25:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 First of all, on a passenger train, the engineer (and sometimes an assistant) is in the cab and can apply the brakes, not the conductor. On freight trains the engineer and conductor ride up front. And, as someone else pointed out, even with "dumping the air" or "big holing" in a emergency stop a train takes a very long distance to stop. You're up against the weight of the train and the low friction of steel wheels on steel rails. The same factors that make trains highly efficient (low rolling resistance of steel on steel) means that can't stop on a dime. Still, crews can be liable if they violate company or federal rules, are impaired, etc. If a motorist fails to stop at a grade crossing, the most common "accident," there's not a lot they can do. If you are speaking of Monday's wreck in Kensington, according to news reports the engineer saw the buckled track and applied the brakes. The train was moving at 60 mph, so it could not stop in time. He complied with the rules, apparently, was not speeding, etc. Still, there will be a "pee in the cup" style investigation to rule out impairment. Event recorders will determine how, where and when the brakes were applied. Preliminary evidence points to shoddy track maintenance as the culprit. If trains had to stop short of any obstruction they could never move more than about 10-15 mph. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Why isn't the conductor of train that wrecked in jail ? He saw an obstruction on the tracks, hit the brakes & couldn't stop. Many injuries resulted. Conductor was obviously going to fast for conditions if he couldn't stop... He could've killed dozens, and he still walks free. If any one of us did that in our commuting, we would be hauled off to jail... > > I'm just asking... > > Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 12:22:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71GMcZ4001857; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:22:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71GMc8F001850; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:22:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020801162235.52132.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:22:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: cute? To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <81.1f3977ca.2a79fded@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > ..... but maybe you're right... 'hot' describes both > my bike and myself way > better! (cute just sounds less conceded you know?!) > I am going to need to see photographs before I can chime in on this one. Feel free to send them along. ;) Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 12:29:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71GT3Z4002259; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:29:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71GT2Rx002253; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:29:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00ae01c23978$75b7be30$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: , References: <004901c23961$7adf4a20$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Subject: Re: cute? Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:28:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 > I can just hear the blonde (sorry, Patti) "huh-Huh!" smiley-giggle thing > going on after that statement. > Complete with head cock, hair flip, eye twinkle, and vacant grin. I'm not a blonde. I am a fashion-enhanced brunette. cheers, Patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 12:35:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71GZiZ4002572; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:35:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71GZhNd002563; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:35:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020801123616.04a81588@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 12:36:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Weekend ride (was im new!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:48 AM 7/30/02 -0700, you wrote: >I'm setting up a ride for this Saturday, 8/3. It will be a mix of >sportbikes (Hayabusa, ZX-11, CBR F4i) and cruisers/standards (HD Dyna, HD >Road King, Suzuki Intruder 800, Suzuki GS500E, Honda CB750). 2 of the >riders are pretty new, with only 2-3 months experience (Intruder and >GS500E). We'll probably start from my house on the east side of >Frederick, just off route 70. > >The ride will be pretty relaxed, although I'll include some nice twisties >for those of us that would like to break away for more spirited riding. > >Drop me an e-mail if you'd like me to include you in the private e-mails >regarding the route and directions to my house. > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ I probably should have sent this to Jenn directly. Thanks for all of the private e-mails expressing interest in riding with me, really, I'm flattered :-) However, I was only trying to give Jenn the opportunity to ride with some other newbs in a 'ride your own ride' group. With all of the private e-mails I've received, maybe one of you guys should organize a DC-Cycles ride for this weekend. Seems like there is interest :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 12:41:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71Gf2Z4002818; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:41:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71Gf2fa002810; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:41:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020801164100.44205.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:41:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020801144620.24549.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Out of the blue question: > > Aren't Sikh males required to wear a turban ? Isn't > it religious disrimination to compel them to wear a > helmet while riding a motorcycle ? > > > Dave IIRC, a Canadian Sikh male made that arguement and won. I hope his turban has styrofoam padding and reinforced with kevlar. Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 12:46:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71GkBZ4003013; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:46:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71GkAvF003008; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:46:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020801164607.94601.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:46:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020801154329.875.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Another out of the blue question: > > Why isn't the conductor of train that wrecked in > jail ? He saw an obstruction on the tracks, hit the > brakes & couldn't stop. Many injuries resulted. > Conductor was obviously going to fast for conditions > if he couldn't stop... He could've killed dozens, > and he still walks free. If any one of us did that > in our commuting, we would be hauled off to jail... > > > I'm just asking... > > Dave > When cars fall into the the 5 ft. wide potholes on DC bridges, the driver is not charged. If you crest a hill to find a farm tractor parked in the road and you strike it, you are not charged. Those are unexpected road hazards, not environmental conditions such as rain and sleet where a reasonable person would expect you to exercise more caution. Todd (aka The Answer Man ) or as my mother referred to me for years 'Damn Smart Ass' ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 12:53:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71GrbZ4003217; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:53:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71Grbnk003212; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:53:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYCfGqBsS8mL9hxyG2sZ5+dyTQIhTy6CwvLet0pN93T8D0yW51SHjzDopYivipGeLI= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Weekend ride (was im new!) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:54:04 -0400 Message-ID: <005d01c2397c$0bbeb250$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020801123616.04a81588@noid.org> It's not you, it's Jenn. All of us lonely loser computer geeks have nothing better to do than fantasize about Jenn (since we'd never actually have the courage to *talk* to a live one... in person) and chat on several lists are hoping that she'll be swept off of her feet by our sleek m/c's and our finely honed riding skills. For me, I'm just hoping that the acne subsides before I go completely bald. --jon, 35yo virgin with a great list of bookmarks and a strong grip -----Wayne Edelen wrote: > Thanks for all of the > private e-mails expressing interest in riding with me, really, I'm > flattered From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 13:23:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71HNXZ4003750; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:23:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71HNXJ3003745; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:23:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 1 Aug 2002 17:23:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20020801172331.25866.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) Answer man Todd chimed in - >--- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >> Another out of the blue question: >> >> Why isn't the conductor of train that wrecked in >> jail ? >When cars fall into the the 5 ft. wide potholes on DC >bridges, the driver is not charged. [Dave] Actually, I think here the city is supposed to ante up... I recall my parents getting money from a DC pot hole years ago... If you crest a >hill to find a farm tractor parked in the road and you >strike it, you are not charged. [Dave] Ok... I can buy that... but if it's moving, even really slowly, that would probably be an 'at fault' event.... Those are unexpected >road hazards, not environmental conditions such as >rain and sleet where a reasonable person would expect >you to exercise more caution. [Dave] And actually, I heard that they're reducing the train speed from 70 - 45 mph over 90 degrees now... >Todd (aka The Answer Man ) >or as my mother referred to me for years 'Damn Smart Ass' [Dave] My mom called me "Mr. Smarty Pants" ;-) still does... >===== >AIM: Inf DS >http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow >----------------------------------------------------------- >Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better >http://health.yahoo.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 13:26:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71HQYZ4003932; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:26:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71HQXkj003927; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:26:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:22:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Stranded in NY: Recommend a mechanic please! To: piffiffi@XXXXXX Cc: nyc-moto@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit piffiffi@XXXXXX writes: >My bike gave up. Obviously it's the charging system. The heat made it >extremely lazy, and now it charges below 12 V. I am in NY city right now >on >a trip, on my own, [snip] I don't know any NY people, so I can't help you there. If you can't find anyone, you CAN get back to dc as follows (general comments---don't know vfr circuits specifically): (1) fully recharge your battery. (2) Pull the headlight fuse(s) (ie, travel during daylight). (3) Do not use the electric starter (push start only), horn, or turn signals (use hand signals---left arm straight out for left turn; left arm out and up for right turn). I would also disconnect the front brake light switch (use the rear brake for brake light if there's someone behind you) and all running and instrument lights. The only electric power you want is the ignition circuit and one brake switch. (Keep the horn available for emergencies.) This should give you several hours of riding time even with a dead charging system. Note: if the charging system works this will overcharge your battery and/or damage the charging system. As backup, you can take an extra (charged) battery (bike or car, and enough wire run to the regular battery connections). Sealed battery is best. May also take a battery charger to plug in at any electric outlet, and/or a solar battery charger (I haven't done the calculations as to whether this is practical). Good luck. --garcia "We're lost, but we're making good time." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 13:40:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71HeEZ4004186; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:40:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71HeC4c004170; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:40:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <132.11b47491.2a7acc76@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:40:06 EDT Subject: Perforated Excrement Batman!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 I was just quoted a price of over $63.00 for a bike inspection here in MD. Is that even close to normal? Holy Shit Batman! I mean if it is I will have to pay it somewhere, but if I am going to be F%#&ed that badly it is going to have to be someone I like, not the horses ass I talked to at Atlantic. Me: $63.00? For an inspection? I do not think I have ever paid more then $8.00 for one. (In retrospect I think I have paid $15.00 or so. Oh well.) Horses: "Where have you paid less?" (Belligerent attitude) Me: Um Tennessee, North Carolina, Virginia... Oh yea Nevada. Horses: "Oh" (I forgot to mention Florida and that I was a licensed inspector in NC. But that was enough to shut him up. I also forgot to mention that I paid $0.00 for my first inspection in VA because the guy did not feel like filling out the paperwork.) Me: What do you do for $63? Horses "We inspect your bike" (Duh!) Me: Uh yea, but what exactly do you do that makes it worth $63? Horses: "Everything on that poster" I went to look, (probably surprised him no end. Unless he plans to check my doors and windshield wipers I do not think they are going to do "everything on the poster." I think he knew he had lost me when I laughed out loud. I left. I hate bullshit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 13:55:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71HthZ4004530; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:55:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71HthTD004525; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:55:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:58:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Reply-To: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT Trains, was Re: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece In-Reply-To: <007b01c23978$3a135740$bb82fea9@palladio1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:25:22 -0400 > From: Paul Wilson > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sdave@XXXXXX > Subject: OT Trains, was Re: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece > > evidence points to shoddy track maintenance as the culprit. If trains had > to stop short of any obstruction they could never move more than about 10-15 > mph. Or they'd need some technology that allowed them to see or sense farther ahead. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 14:02:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71I2vZ4004741; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:02:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71I2vlO004736; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:02:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020801180254.57754.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:02:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: FZR400 for sale (from Ninja 250 discussion list) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't know anything about this bike other than what was posted. Leon. FZR 400 for sale - real lightweight sportbike Thu Aug 1 14:02:22 2002 I used to have a 250 ninja upgraded to this 400 and now I am upgrading again. Details- 1990 fzr 400 (only imported in US 1988 1989 1990 - very rare bike - especially since it has never been raced) 19k miles aluminum frame and swingarm hindle full exhaust hindle stage one jet kit - also have the stage 3 that i will include new dunlop tires / new brakes 520 chain conversion and new sprokects (will also throw in a bunch of extra/stock parts) as for looks: (the bike looks new) bright yellow paint carbon fiber graphics kit carbon flushmount front signals carbon shortstack signals in the back R1 taillight speed screen superbike grips tank pad and probably some other crap I cannot remember. I want $2,800 for it. I live in the DC metro area - email me for pics, thanks. Ljrod@XXXXXX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 14:14:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71IE7Z4004988; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:14:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71IE7Pe004981; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:14:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020801141439.0137a434@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 14:15:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Perforated Excrement Batman!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:40 PM 8/1/02 EDT, you wrote: [...] >Me: What do you do for $63? > >Horses "We inspect your bike" (Duh!) > >Me: Uh yea, but what exactly do you do that makes it worth $63? > >Horses: "Everything on that poster" > >I went to look, (probably surprised him no end. Unless he plans to check my >doors and windshield wipers I do not think they are going to do "everything >on the poster." I think he knew he had lost me when I laughed out loud. > >I left. >I hate bullshit. I think it was $25 at JT in Frederick. They inspected my bike while I waited. I think Frederick Harley is even cheaper/faster. Friend of mine just took his Intruder over there for an inspection. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 14:26:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71IQ6Z4005228; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:26:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71IQ6kt005223; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:26:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D497E8A.F6D7E813@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 14:31:38 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dan CC: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Times OP ED piece References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dan wrote: > > I think the Motor Co. should pay up for MSF classes. Its not like they > dont make a ton of profit per bike, it would keep their rider/buyer base > more in tact. Honda does. And so does The Motor Company, unless policy changed. Thru H.O.G. membership one can get a rebate on an MSF class and methinks that applys to basic and exp courses. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 14:27:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71IRXZ4005402; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:27:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71IRXVA005395; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:27:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 1 Aug 2002 18:27:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20020801182731.8921.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Perforated Excrement Batman!! X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) Coddlin' Cooters, Fudgeman ! Subject: Perforated Excrement Batman!! >I was just quoted a price of over $63.00 for a bike inspection here in MD. >Is that even close to normal? Holy Shit Batman! [Dave] No. they're supposed to be the same price whereever you go in the (no so) free state... I'll bet you went to Atlantic (or what used to be them) in Bendover, MD... right ? >I mean if it is I will have to pay it somewhere, but if I am going to be >F%#&ed that badly it is going to have to be someone I like, not the horses >ass I talked to at Atlantic. [Dave] Yup. I knew it. They flunked my bike because - not enough air in the front tire. HA from Atlantic: It failed. Me: why? HA: not enough air in the front tire. Me: (in best impersonation of my former Drill Sergeant) "WTF are you talking about !? GTF back there and put some G*D D@mn air in the M*ther F... tires" (that was a lot of profanity, in retrospect)... He did. Then I passed, and subsequently, I left. >Me: $63.00? For an inspection? ... : Uh yea, but what exactly do you do that makes it worth $63? >Horses: "Everything on that poster" >I went to look, (probably surprised him no end. Unless he plans to check my >doors and windshield wipers I do not think they are going to do "everything >on the poster." I think he knew he had lost me when I laughed out loud. >I left. >I hate bullshit. [Dave] Unfortunately, in MD, not every inspection station is qualified for motorcycles... There aren't too many down your way. What about Clinton Cycles in Oxon Hill? Right by the Har(d)ley dealer, behind Giant at Livingston Square ... I think the last inspectin I got in MD was $37.00... but it was a while back... It's only once, and shops usually try to soak you for replacement parts or work. Cages typically fail for wiper blades, and headlight aim. In MD, if you fail, they can only legally inspect the failing part in subsequent attempts at reinspection and you can get the work done anywhere, but if you go to another place for inspection, they inspect everything all over again. Good luck. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 14:34:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71IYOZ4005636; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:34:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71IYKHn005617; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:34:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 14:34:10 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Perforated Excrement Batman!! Message-ID: <7DCB882B.2B6B0639.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ummmmmm......I seriously doubt it. Most I've ever padi at a VA gas/inspection station has been between $10 & $15. Maryland can't be that much different. I've never even paid that much for my car. I think he was just playing you for a sucker. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:40:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, PenguinBiker writes: > > > I was just quoted a price of over $63.00 for a bike inspection here in MD. > Is that even close to normal? Holy Shit Batman! > I mean if it is I will have to pay it somewhere, but if I am going to be > F%#&ed that badly it is going to have to be someone I like, not the horses > ass I talked to at Atlantic. > > Me: $63.00? For an inspection? I do not think I have ever paid more then > $8.00 for one. (In retrospect I think I have paid $15.00 or so. Oh well.) > > Horses: "Where have you paid less?" (Belligerent attitude) > > Me: Um Tennessee, North Carolina, Virginia... Oh yea Nevada. > > Horses: "Oh" > > (I forgot to mention Florida and that I was a licensed inspector in NC. But > that was enough to shut him up. I also forgot to mention that I paid $0.00 > for my first inspection in VA because the guy did not feel like filling out > the paperwork.) > > Me: What do you do for $63? > > Horses "We inspect your bike" (Duh!) > > Me: Uh yea, but what exactly do you do that makes it worth $63? > > Horses: "Everything on that poster" > > I went to look, (probably surprised him no end. Unless he plans to check my > doors and windshield wipers I do not think they are going to do "everything > on the poster." I think he knew he had lost me when I > laughed out loud. > > I left. > I hate bullshit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 14:48:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71ImkZ4005858; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:48:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71ImgsJ005839; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:48:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4983DA.EF7FB0E4@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 14:54:18 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX CC: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Perforated Excrement Batman!! References: <7DCB882B.2B6B0639.0C9D3659@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Ummmmmm......I seriously doubt it. Most I've ever padi at a VA gas/inspection station has been between $10 & $15. Maryland can't be that much different. I've never even paid that much for my car. I think he was just playing you for a sucker. > > Scooter Wrong answer -- Maryland BLOWS! Car inspections can run hundreds of dollars, but you only have tot do it when you buy or transfer a new to MD vehicle into MD. I reckon over a ten year period, assuming one keeps rides that long, you'd pay more for annual VA inpections. Hmm... come to think of it, my last VA m/c inspection was $5. It was a "Nice Bike" inspection, what the inspector said when he handed me to the sticker to apply wherever in hell I wanted too. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 15:33:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71JXKZ4006257; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:33:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71JXKKj006253; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:33:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: "'ScooterFZR@XXXXXX'" , PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Perforated Excrement Batman!! Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:30:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I paid $5 in VA this year. Damn, I'm glad I don't live in Silver Spring anymore. -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:34 PM To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Perforated Excrement Batman!! Ummmmmm......I seriously doubt it. Most I've ever padi at a VA gas/inspection station has been between $10 & $15. Maryland can't be that much different. I've never even paid that much for my car. I think he was just playing you for a sucker. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:40:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, PenguinBiker writes: > > > I was just quoted a price of over $63.00 for a bike inspection here in MD. > Is that even close to normal? Holy Shit Batman! > I mean if it is I will have to pay it somewhere, but if I am going to be > F%#&ed that badly it is going to have to be someone I like, not the horses > ass I talked to at Atlantic. > > Me: $63.00? For an inspection? I do not think I have ever paid more then > $8.00 for one. (In retrospect I think I have paid $15.00 or so. Oh well.) > > Horses: "Where have you paid less?" (Belligerent attitude) > > Me: Um Tennessee, North Carolina, Virginia... Oh yea Nevada. > > Horses: "Oh" > > (I forgot to mention Florida and that I was a licensed inspector in NC. But > that was enough to shut him up. I also forgot to mention that I paid $0.00 > for my first inspection in VA because the guy did not feel like filling out > the paperwork.) > > Me: What do you do for $63? > > Horses "We inspect your bike" (Duh!) > > Me: Uh yea, but what exactly do you do that makes it worth $63? > > Horses: "Everything on that poster" > > I went to look, (probably surprised him no end. Unless he plans to check my > doors and windshield wipers I do not think they are going to do "everything > on the poster." I think he knew he had lost me when I > laughed out loud. > > I left. > I hate bullshit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 15:42:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71Jg5Z4006497; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:42:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71Jg4EL006490; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:42:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [158.114.92.201] From: "Randy Moran" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Times OP ED piece Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 15:40:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2002 19:40:57.0801 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B81E390:01C23993]

Jon Strang wrote:


>NO! There is NO SUCH THING AS THE COMPANY PAYING FOR IT!!!!

>jeebus, why do people say such things? The money doesn't come from "the
>company". It comes from the price I/you/we PAY for the bike(s). It's not
>semantics. It's that the price will rise exactly the amount that it costs
>to fund the MSF classes.
>
>You can't tax a for-profit company, you can't levy a judgment (e.g. Philip
>Morris) on a for-profit company, you can't make THEM pay for something. The
>CUSTOMER(s) always pays.
>
>The tobacco suits basically just enacted a new tax on smokers (mostly poor
>people) and sent the money to the legal teams assorted government(s)
>agencies. A hugely regressive tax supported by (mainly) Democrats who are

>supposed to be against these things.

 

Well, all this sounds about right, however in the case of what Dan was saying I think the "Motor Company paying for it" would be a bit of closed loop for most of us. It would mean more expensive Hardlys, but those of us who ride other makes wouldn't be affected at all.

RPM


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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 16:07:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71K7BZ4006822; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:07:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71K79nN006803; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:07:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020801160738.01378914@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 16:08:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: RE: Perforated Excrement Batman!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:30 PM 8/1/02 -0400, you wrote: >I paid $5 in VA this year. Damn, I'm glad I don't live in Silver Spring >anymore. Not saying one is better than the other, but don't you have to get an inspection each year in VA? In MD, it's a one time deal. Once you're inspected, you can let your pile rot away and continue to drive it around. :-\ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 16:30:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71KURZ4007117; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:30:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71KUQXv007110; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:30:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 1 Aug 2002 20:30:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20020801203025.32572.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Perforated Excrement Batman!! X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) Wayne Wonders: >Not saying one is better than the other, but don't you have to get an >inspection each year in VA? In MD, it's a one time deal. Once you're >inspected, you can let your pile rot away and continue to drive it around. [Dave] It depends. Both systems are breeding grounds for 'unneeded' repairs... I don't like having to inspect every year, but I dreaded MD inspections far more. You can take a new car to a MD inspection station and at least 40% will fail it for - windshield wipers & headlight alignment... The last 4 cars I got inspected in MD, I already did it in anticipation. The 1st one failed, so I promptly produced receipts for said repairs, and got my certificate, the next was wipers only, which I had, and the last 2 went ok... Used cars are notoriously difficult to get clean inspection bills on in MD, because they're so subjective. 1 time, I got a 'kitchen sink' list of stuff to fix. Knowing the guy was being an ass, I went elsewhere, and failed for - wiper blades, yet again... but that was it. Bussler's in St. Mary's was the worst. Many moons ago, I was rehabing a truck in St. Mary's. I failed for 'exhaust hangars'... The factory hangars sat in rubber mounts, the inspector insisted on solid mounts. I tightened them as best as could be done, & produced the factory part receipts and that was insufficient. At that point, he demonstrated by yanking on the exhaust, then hanging on it in order to display how 'bad' it was. When that failed to work, he pulled the pipe between the muffler & manifold off with a mondo pipe wrench. Having just completed that repair myself, a fight ensued. The cops were called. 2 hours of statements, the like, all for nothing - no charges filed. I talked to the owner and said I would be back by C.O.B, and there would be a valid inspection on the car (I did not ask). The owner gave me a pass when I returned. The knock on VA is that you have to take the time out to sit in line, almost like *ACK!* DC :-( It's a PITA if you've got several vehicles... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 16:32:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71KWaZ4007290; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:32:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71KWaYH007284; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:32:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Perforated Excrement Batman!! Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:28:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" It really depends on how long you own your bike(s). I've had some for a few months and others for 4 years. I just turned 26 today, so I can only judge on my limited experience living in this area since '98. I didn't have to worry about Inspection in the other countries/states where I lived. Thus far it seems cheaper to inspect in VA than in MD. The inspection may be cheap in VA, but the state does recoup lost revenue by making you purchase those stupid locality decals. W.E.Scott III Cage-Free Since '76 -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:08 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Perforated Excrement Batman!! At 03:30 PM 8/1/02 -0400, you wrote: >I paid $5 in VA this year. Damn, I'm glad I don't live in Silver Spring >anymore. Not saying one is better than the other, but don't you have to get an inspection each year in VA? In MD, it's a one time deal. Once you're inspected, you can let your pile rot away and continue to drive it around. :-\ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 16:56:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71KuPZ4007604; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:56:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71KuPLd007600; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:56:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 16:56:21 -0400 Subject: Dealers for Suzuki Service? From: Rob Curtis To: DC-CYCLES Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Gotta have the first service done on my SV soon... I called a bunch of dealers to get service prices and found a wide range of prices, from $135 in Winchester to $250 in Herndon. I figure I'll pay what it takes to make sure they do the work, so if anyone can recommend a good wrench to do the first service, I'd appreciate it. Free State Cycle in Captiol Heights, Md is middle of the road, $150 and reasonably close, so unless someone has a horror story about them I'll probably take it there... Thanks! Rob 01SV650S -- Rob Curtis Senior Photographer Army Times Publishing Co. Springfield, VA http://www.robcurtis.com __________________ "To be persuasive, we must be believable. To be believable, we must be credible. To be credible, we must be truthful." Edward R. Murrow From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 17:04:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71L4TZ4007867; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:04:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71L4TlC007859; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:04:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: helmets wanted.. Rashed.. Slightly damaged for painting Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:04:22 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2002 21:03:27.0050 (UTC) FILETIME=[E17D5AA0:01C2399E] Im experimenting painting pics on helmets. But i need more experience and i dont have enough helmets. Anyone have old helmets, rashed helmets, light damaged helmets they do not want? Email me at ricardo@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 17:08:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71L8fZ4008157; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:08:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71L8eTi008149; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:08:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: Re: Dealers for Suzuki Service? Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:06:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A6419623EBD285@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Dealers for Suzuki Service? Thread-Index: AcI5n4sPQrXE+ESQSuCt5QJcmKPQpA== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g71L8dZ4008137 First Service..on a SV ? Its just a freakin oil change... The shop manual also says to check the torque on critical bolts.(is a dealer is gonna do that?) Buy a filter, oil, a torque wrench...even a shop manual...save $$ George >>> Rob Curtis 08/01/02 04:56PM >>> Gotta have the first service done on my SV soon... I called a bunch of dealers to get service prices and found a wide range of prices, from $135 in Winchester to $250 in Herndon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 17:15:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71LFZZ4008371; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:15:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71LFZ7f008367; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:15:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020801211532.6735.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:15:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: helmets wanted.. Rashed.. Slightly damaged for painting To: Ricardo Pontes , dccycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, I'll let you paint the one I wear everyday. Suggestions from the group as to what the picture should be??? To get the group into the right spirit, here are the guidelines I can think of. Farm animals are ok, but graphic sex isn't. Solid colors are ok, I don't care for pastels. I have no taste, so if it comes out badly, I won't notice. Leon. --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > > Im experimenting painting pics on helmets. But i > need more experience and i > dont have enough helmets. Anyone have old helmets, > rashed helmets, light > damaged helmets they do not want? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 17:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71LL9Z4008586; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:21:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71LL9rD008581; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:21:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: "Ricardo Pontes" , "dccycles" Subject: RE: helmets wanted.. Rashed.. Slightly damaged for painting Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:20:45 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020801211532.6735.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Okay, I have an old one that I would like also, if you can do the patriotic thing that would be great. My bike is blue, so the red, white and blue thing would work. Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:16 PM To: Ricardo Pontes; dccycles Subject: Re: helmets wanted.. Rashed.. Slightly damaged for painting Ok, I'll let you paint the one I wear everyday. Suggestions from the group as to what the picture should be??? To get the group into the right spirit, here are the guidelines I can think of. Farm animals are ok, but graphic sex isn't. Solid colors are ok, I don't care for pastels. I have no taste, so if it comes out badly, I won't notice. Leon. --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > > Im experimenting painting pics on helmets. But i > need more experience and i > dont have enough helmets. Anyone have old helmets, > rashed helmets, light > damaged helmets they do not want? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 17:22:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71LMZZ4008779; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:22:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71LMYqP008774; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:22:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [151.196.168.237] From: "Jay Block" To: md.abate@XXXXXX, AHauffman@XXXXXX, AIMLawyers@XXXXXX, Gypsylthr@XXXXXX, bettyhdstore@XXXXXX, bikerdan@XXXXXX, bob@XXXXXX, bussep@XXXXXX, cacollin@XXXXXX, cmpurrin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, djake@XXXXXX, Hogadams@XXXXXX, imwolfie69@XXXXXX, jayblockllc@XXXXXX, Jumpstart301@XXXXXX, manck@XXXXXX, MGVLAHOS@XXXXXX, michellecr@XXXXXX, m-riders@XXXXXX, philip.l.kraft@XXXXXX, pjnlinda@XXXXXX, prez95ocmd@XXXXXX, ci37290@XXXXXX, wglass@XXXXXX, rdix@XXXXXX, rebel_rider69@XXXXXX, scootertramp@XXXXXX, squid126@XXXXXX, suljustdad@XXXXXX, wisennock@XXXXXX, wmcrum@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: Fw: Check out Recall Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:21:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2002 21:21:24.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[63BDDBA0:01C239A1] Subject: Fw: Check out Recall Click here: Recall Any one who has one of the NexL helmets should check the date on the label inside. There is a recall on some of them for 2 safety issues. This link will give you the info needed to check to see if your lid is included. They will send you free UPS shipping labels and you should have the helmet back in 2 to 3 weeks. Ride Safe & Have Fun, _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 17:40:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71LeoZ4009077; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:40:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71LeoPU009072; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:40:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B971@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'Jennthebiker@XXXXXX'" Subject: The Dragon and other roads Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:45:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain The Dragon: --- dan wrote: "Half the fun is going up and down moutains for me. It adds a nice level of complexity, especially those down hill decreasing radius turns!" Then get thee to SE Ohio and ride everything with a 55 or 78 in the road number. There're lotsa ridge roads where you crest a hill and then either go right, left, or =8^O. One of the better known is 555 but 550 has some fun parts as does 78. & tom g touted, "the dragon is good. but it is 500+ miles away.... you should take a 3-4+ day weekend to enjoy the area." Ay it's not just the Dragon but the many good roads coming off the BRP. Lots of up, up, ups and down, down, down 'n arounds. Check out 276 from the BRP to Cruso, NC for instance. IIRC it's NC 415 or 215 in that area that is "ahem" thrilling. Or the roads south of "Little Switzerland". Taking the "boulder detour" a couple of years ago, a fellow from Maine remarked, "I think I saw the back of my helmet twice." It's worth a very long week end or better a week. >From Deals gap take Cherohala Skyway to Tellico Plains, then TN 68 to GA 60 to Suches. (Sample Wolf Pen Gap Road.) Grab a tent spot at T.W.O and take a sunset ride down Ga 60 -19 to Dahlonega. California also has some great twisty roads, especially up in the "Gold Country" but Nawth Caro-lina and West By God Virginny are much closer. Local fun cruising roads: Grab a MD map (free) or an ADC or Delorme ($10 at Sams) Closer to Westminster, MD, the roads between Rt 15 and the Monocacy are some fun easy roads. Try to find LeGore Bridge road. Find the three covered bridges. Is the creamery is still on Mumma Ford road? Go up 77 through Catoctin Park Come back down and run past Camp Dxxxd (shhhh) Go past Fort Ritchie and find PenMar overlook. Run south on Rt 17 Stop in Middletown for Ice cream. To Burkittsville (No "California stops" at the stop sign) turn right and climb to Gapland. Then cross over to Antietam, up 67 cross over at Reno Monument, Find Mt. Tabor road Detour to Washington Monument or go on to Myersville and . . . Nice roads to work on "smooth" and "ride your own ride". Find folks who'll wait for you at the next intersection. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg http://www.crashmancomics.com/sabmag/rogues/carlcuster.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 17:56:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71LujZ4009486; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:56:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71LujDe009481; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:56:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020801215642.51634.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:56:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Perforated Excrement Batman!! To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <132.11b47491.2a7acc76@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i think it's about a 1/2 hour labor (by the book). unless your shop has a $126.00/hr labor rate, they were trying to do you without a courtesy lube. take it to rick hart, iii at the potomac village amoco. if you do, please tell him i recommended him.... --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > I was just quoted a price of over $63.00 for a bike > inspection here in MD. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 18:08:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71M8VZ4009761; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:08:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71M8UEQ009754; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:08:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020801220828.33040.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:08:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Perforated Excrement Batman!! To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <7DCB882B.2B6B0639.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=