From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 00:05:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7145wZ4024792; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:05:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7145vi5024784; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:05:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [216.165.5.103] From: "Pierre C" To: nyc-moto@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: Stranded in NY: Recommend a mechanic please! Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 05:05:47 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2002 04:05:47.0936 (UTC) FILETIME=[B76BF200:01C23910] My bike gave up. Obviously it's the charging system. The heat made it extremely lazy, and now it charges below 12 V. I am in NY city right now on a trip, on my own, and i also forgot to bring a spare rectifier with me (for the first time i should add). I would need someone to please advise me on which mechanic to contact. I know that listers don't like mechanics in general, but i do need one. I cleaned all my connections (starter relay and grounds included) on my 98 VFR just before coming, and i just saw the charging voltage dropping till today it went below 12V. I have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE what the hell is wrong with the bike: a mechanic saw it in DC, i tested the bike following the electrexusa.com flowchart and the manual. I can't find a single thing that's wrong. Please, i should need to make it home, anyone knows of a honest mechanic around NY? i am in manhattan, chelsea. Thank you, Pierfrancesco 98 VFR _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 06:37:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71AbDZ4027141; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:37:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71AbCsY027128; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:37:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Paul Wilson" , Subject: Re: me again! Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:36:01 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <02ca01c238dd$6ba1f820$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <02ca01c238dd$6ba1f820$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208010636013H.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 31 July 2002 17:52, Paul Wilson wrote: > That little "those that have and those that will" maxim has always bugged > me, as if to excuse sub-par performance. > > Sign least likely to be seen in the scrub room at your local hospital: > > "There are two kinds of surgeons, those who have killed a patient and those > that will." > Probably a better comparison would be "There are two kinds of surgeons, those who have been sued and those that will be sued" > Sign least likely to be seen at an airport: > > "There are two kinds of pilots, those who have crashed and those that > will." > "There are two kinds of pilots, those who have had an unruly passenger and those that will." > Paul in DC > "There are two kinds of BDC, those who have crashed and those that will." "There are two kinds of programmer, those who have 'crashed' and those that will." It's more of a warning than proof that if you ride, you _will_ crash. Be aware. If you _never_ crash then you have kept your head in all situations (or been really lucky). Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 06:40:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71AemZ4027322; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:40:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71Aelbs027316; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:40:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Ricardo Pontes" , "dccycles" Subject: Re: thursday bike night at barnes and noble Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:39:35 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208010639353I.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 31 July 2002 23:04, Ricardo Pontes wrote: > I think people start to show up at around 8:00pm. Ive stayed there until > 12am before. But since they do stunts at airpark Rd, i might go up there to > see that after 9:00 or whatever. > 8pm! I'm settling down mentally and getting ready for bed. I have to get up at 4am to be at work. We need a Friday bike night (or Saturday). > Ricardo > Ill be the guy wearing the The Simpsons helmet :) > I'll be the guy sleeping at 10pm. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 06:57:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71AvIZ4027415; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:57:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71AvHd8027410; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:57:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020801105710.19171.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 03:57:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: cute? To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <81.1f3977ca.2a79fded@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > and a note: > > Nothing m/c related is cute. It can be hot, cool, > bitchin', > > spec-f#cking-tacular, schweeet, nearly anything else. > Never, EVER cute. > > Not Tom, not Chuck, not your bike, and not even you, > pun-kin. > > > > --jon > > > > now now now.. you know im new to the whole biker thing > but come on... i > believe that i am cute and my m/c is cute.... and maybe > even tom and chuck? > ..... but maybe you're right... 'hot' describes both my > bike and myself way > better! , what ... a ... piece ... of ... ass -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 07:20:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71BK4Z4027873; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:20:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71BK4A6027868; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:20:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <187.badd624.2a7a735b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:19:55 EDT Subject: Re: me again! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/31/2002 8:31:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > (1) Yes, cage = car. And BDC is Brain Dead Cager. The worst case, IMHO, is > a BDC in a Volvo. Second worst is a Saab. I don't know why the BD-est of > the BDC migrate to Swedish cars. > Just count the wheels. Anything over 3 is the worst. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 07:27:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71BRvZ4028063; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:27:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71BRuPJ028058; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:27:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D491C88.2B6204A7@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 07:33:29 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cute? References: <81.1f3977ca.2a79fded@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > now now now.. you know im new to the whole biker thing but come on... i > believe that i am cute and my m/c is cute.... and maybe even tom and chuck? > ..... but maybe you're right... 'hot' describes both my bike and myself way > better! (cute just sounds less conceded you know?!) Weellll, you may be cute, but Tom & Chuck? Nonono, when referring to a guy, cute is BAD! Cute is poofy. Cute is little, like a little kid. Us guys cringe at the implication of "little", much like a girl's reaction to "wide" or that F word that rhymes with cat. Hot doesn't work in biker-land either -- it's Hottie! I dearly love Hotties. And a motorcycle could be hot also. Flashback to the Suzuki advert blitz in the '80s which featured a Hottie in tight leathers - "Put something exciting between your legs" Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 07:29:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71BTsZ4028338; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:29:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71BTr11028332; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:29:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6f.2b5ffa3c.2a7a75a7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:29:43 EDT Subject: Re: me again! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/31/2002 9:49:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, msandler@XXXXXX writes: > Its not the riders who > have crashed that you need to worry about, ITS THE ONES THAT HAVEN'T > Actually its the ones who know they are not going to crash that will get you into trouble. Note: _Always_ know where you are going, and how to get there so you do not have to keep up. _Do not_ let anyone "drag" you into speeds you are not comfortable with. Riding is _always_ a solo sport, it is just you and your bike, ride that way. Go for Smooth not speed, speed will come naturally (If you want it) when you get smooth. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 07:54:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71BsoZ4028753; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:54:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71Bsmqi028738; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:54:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <19b.635c6cc.2a7a7b7c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:54:36 EDT Subject: drag-a-way in monrovia, md To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 hi everyone! (again) howard was very nice to tell me about drag-a-way in monrovia tomorrow (friday). i do believe that we are going to meet up and head over there. anyone else interested in meeting us in westminster about 6? or is anyone else interested in meeting us in monrovia? from what howard said, spectators pay $7. if you really want to race, its $15. let me know if you're interested! jenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 08:07:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71C7SZ4028974; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:07:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71C7SBu028967; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:07:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020801082506.04243080@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 08:25:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: drag-a-way in monrovia, md Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:54 AM 8/1/02 EDT, you wrote: >howard was very nice to tell me about drag-a-way in monrovia tomorrow >(friday). i do believe that we are going to meet up and head over there. >anyone else interested in meeting us in westminster about 6? or is anyone >else interested in meeting us in monrovia? from what howard said, spectators > >pay $7. if you really want to race, its $15. http://www.7580dragway.com/ I haven't been over there for several months (my car is in pieces :-) but Friday nights are pretty busy. If you can ignore the 16-second-Civic-baggy-pants-crowd, the OPS cars are down in the low-low 5s in the 1/8, which makes for some exciting spectating :-) MIR is having a bike shootout this weekend. A friend of mine with a stroked ZX12 is heading down to compete, using his nitrous setup for the first time - http://www.dontbescaredracing.com/ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 08:10:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71CATZ4029154; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:10:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71CATHl029150; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:10:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020801121027.25119.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 05:10:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: me again! To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <008601c2388e$445b49a0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jon Strang wrote: > (1) Yes, cage = car. And BDC is Brain Dead Cager. The > worst case, IMHO, is > a BDC in a Volvo. Second worst is a Saab. I don't know > why the BD-est of > the BDC migrate to Swedish cars. i'm forwarding this to my wife (who drives a saab convertible).... keep an on your mailbox for a gift from eturd.com -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 08:45:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71CjUZ4029508; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:45:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71CjTEY029501; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:45:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 1 Aug 2002 12:45:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20020801124527.4784.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Times OP ED piece X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) from today's times: http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20020801-647230.htmEDITORIAL )B• August 1, 2002 Common sense and motorcycle licensing The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) recently published some interesting data regarding an alarming uptick in motorcycle accidents and fatalities. According to NHTSA, motorcycle registrations have increased substantially during the past few years, from 3.8 million to 4.2 million between 1997 and 1999, which is also exactly the same time period during which motorcycle accident fatality rates rose significantly as well )B— up to 23.4 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in 1999 from 21.0 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in 1997. Many of these fatalities involved older riders, those aged 40 and above, many of whom did not previously hold motorcycle licenses. Today, the average age of a motorcycle rider is 38.5 years, whereas it was 26.9 in 1980. It's almost certain that the increase in crashes noted by NHTSA these past several years is the result of rider inexperience )B— putting a relative novice on a huge bike that was probably chosen because it looked cool and the middle-aged guy buying it couldn't see himself putt-putting around on a lighter "starter bike." Most guys who don't get into cycling in their teenage or college years aren't likely to start out on the kinds of bikes that someone 16-22 years old would. That's not because of the inherent sensibility of the under-25 crowd. It's just simple economics: Under-25s don't have the money to buy a big bike, so they get what they can afford, which is almost always something smaller, lighter and less powerful than they'd get if they had the extra money. But a 35-year-old who is looking to buy his first bike is probably indulging himself with a "toy" and has disposable income to burn. He can afford the $8,000-$15,000 or more to buy a big cruiser, so he does. The results are predictable. It would probably be a good thing if either motorcycling license requirements were a bit tougher (they're laughable in most states), or if people simply exercised better judgment and kept within their limits. There's no shame in acquiring valuable motorcycling skills on a "starter bike" before moving up. Your life may depend upon your prudence. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 08:49:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71CnVZ4029728; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:49:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71CnV6W029724; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:49:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYtcxXQLAiw6paHEfKrWWZEWhGquuH5TjKe67QATGWmDaF1ET6SKGDFJSlucIL/vLQ= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Would folks pay for indoor winter bike storage? Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:49:58 -0400 Message-ID: <004001c23959$f189aec0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Winter...isn't that when I plug in my Widder electrics before I go for a ride? --jon 01 Suz Bandit 1200 -----Original Message----- From: Rob Curtis Helene and I are in the midst of doing some work on our home in Springfield that would include a sizable garage. I just went out back and measured out what 24x26 would look like and realized it's a lot of room! So, I'm thinking I've got room to store maybe 8-10 bikes for the winter. Would folks pay $350 for heated storage from December to March, with access and workshop privileges (w/free oil disposal!) on two Sundays/Mondays each month during the storage period? This wouldn't be a community garage, when the snow's gone, so are the bikes... Any Takers? Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 08:54:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71CsfZ4029933; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:54:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71CselB029927; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:54:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020801091159.04247798@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:12:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: RE: me again! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:10 AM 8/1/02 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Jon Strang wrote: >> (1) Yes, cage = car. And BDC is Brain Dead Cager. The >> worst case, IMHO, is >> a BDC in a Volvo. Second worst is a Saab. I don't know >> why the BD-est of >> the BDC migrate to Swedish cars. > >i'm forwarding this to my wife (who drives a saab >convertible).... > >keep an on your mailbox for a gift from eturd.com We sold a '98 Saab 900 Turbo when we bought our S4. My wife is a better driver in the Audi. ;-) ;-) Since we're gauging driving ability based on vehicle type, the worst drivers by far are Minima, er, Maxima drivers. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 08:55:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71CtQZ4030119; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:55:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71CtP68030108; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:55:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbv6S74TEvXpSGanfUNwpLCa7Aj9aeleXCSeAPhSeKmr/7KllW/JMBKnXHFv15Jg5Q= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: me again! Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:55:52 -0400 Message-ID: <004101c2395a$c4e99f00$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020801121027.25119.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> A Snaab? I can't believe it. I thought you were proletariat from the ground up. I mean, the Duc was borderline...but you ride the wheels off of it and it's never been cleaned (bugs from *last* summer in the intakes!), so that was cool. My view of you, TG, has been shattered. Completely shattered. --jon p.s. Looking forward to the gift! -----Tom Gimer wrote: --- Jon Strang wrote: > (1) Yes, cage = car. And BDC is Brain Dead Cager. The > worst case, IMHO, is > a BDC in a Volvo. Second worst is a Saab. I don't know > why the BD-est of > the BDC migrate to Swedish cars. i'm forwarding this to my wife (who drives a saab convertible).... keep an on your mailbox for a gift from eturd.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 09:36:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71DaRZ4030474; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:36:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71DaRHx030469; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:36:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Ricardo Pontes'" , dccycles Subject: RE: Thursday bike night at barnes and noble Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:36:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain Hey, people don't go to airpark anymore there was a terrible accident there about two weeks ago a guy died in front of Iron works cycles and the cops patrol the area heavily. So don't even go near airpark on a Thursday. I'll be the one with the blue Katana. art -----Original Message----- From: Ricardo Pontes [mailto:ricardo@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:04 PM To: dccycles Subject: RE: thursday bike night at barnes and noble I think people start to show up at around 8:00pm. Ive stayed there until 12am before. But since they do stunts at airpark Rd, i might go up there to see that after 9:00 or whatever. Ricardo Ill be the guy wearing the The Simpsons helmet :) I actually have a night free, what time will this bike night start? Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S -----Original Message----- From: Ricardo Pontes [mailto:ricardo@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:18 PM To: dccycles Subject: thursday bike night at barnes and noble Thursday Bike night at Barnes and Noble in Rockville, MD. Anyone coming from the dccycles group? Am i the only one? The b&N is off of route 355(rockville pike) and Randolph Road. Ricardo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 09:43:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71DhRZ4030679; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:43:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71DhRke030674; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:43:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaYtcXna8GVLA+gTbQpYKGhNZqXaIGDS+sxTDGE8mMlBJvuAZXAM2/5xFFqgrkD2xo= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: cute? Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:43:54 -0400 Message-ID: <004901c23961$7adf4a20$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <81.1f3977ca.2a79fded@aol.com> jtb wrote: > now now now.. you know im new to the whole biker thing but > come on... i believe that i am cute and my m/c is cute.... I can just hear the blonde (sorry, Patti) "huh-Huh!" smiley-giggle thing going on after that statement. Complete with head cock, hair flip, eye twinkle, and vacant grin. > and maybe even tom and chuck? No, not even in the slightest. And Tom is fictitious. He's really one of Chuck's pseudonyms. We know Chuck is real, cuz we see him on da TV alla time. Speaking of pseudonyms, are you sure you're not Bill Huson (or someone else) E. Anking our chains? > ..... but maybe you're right... 'hot' describes both my bike and myself way > better! (cute just sounds less conceded you know?!) Conceded? I'm confused. Oh, conceited. As in "I thought I was cute and a real hottie, but someone told me I was just conceited." Got it. >thanks for the biker lingo lesson! all of you really do know lots of stuff! That's b/c we've got lots of experience working on our thing-a-mabobs and using our doohickeys. --jon I need more coffee. I feel grumpy. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 10:08:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71E8EZ4031005; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:08:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71E8DN0030986; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:08:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D49421E.758CA16@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:13:50 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jmstrang@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cute? References: <004901c23961$7adf4a20$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon Strang wrote: > jtb wrote: > > > now now now.. you know im new to the whole biker thing but > > come on... i believe that i am cute and my m/c is cute.... > > No, not even in the slightest. And Tom is fictitious. He's really one of > Chuck's pseudonyms. We know Chuck is real, cuz we see him on da TV alla > time. > > Speaking of pseudonyms, are you sure you're not Bill Huson (or someone else) > E. Anking our chains? ME? Faking a female persona? Nonono. Well, in my youth I did have a nice collection of female silky thangs. Sorta like a tactile journal... oh, nevermind. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 10:11:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71EBDZ4031057; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:11:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71EBDRZ031051; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:11:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Paddle Walkin' Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:11:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I figure they're self-taught, inexperienced, a combo of the two or comedians. MSF courses instruct not to, experienced KNOWLEDGEABLE riders know better. I've ridden forward control HD's, once or twice and never felt the need to. Perhaps it's a balance issue on the rider's part. One thing MSF talks about is... getting over it. If you do "paddle" walk, practice NOT doing it. Get you feet up on the foot rests for quick access to the controls. It is rather humorous looking. >What's up with all these people that paddle-walk their bikes at slow speeds? >I don't mean to pick on the Harley riders here, but I see it a LOT with >people on Harleys, especially baggers. I realize that these are heavy bikes, >>but I thought they carried their weight pretty low, so slow speed stability >should not be an issue. I'm riding a Concours, which is massively top-heavy, >and can pretty much never put a foot down except at a full stop. And if I'm >on the ZX-6, it's even easier to not put a foot down. >At first I thought these were just very inexperienced riders, or maybe just >lazy, but then I got to wonder if it's because so many Harleys (and other >cruisers) have forward mounted pegs. I haven't ridden anything with pegs >that weren't largely underneath my body, so I don't know if that would make >a difference. Of course, most baggers tend to have floorboards, so I don't >know if that makes a difference. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 10:22:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71EM1Z4031405; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:22:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71EM0pY031397; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:22:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006c01c23966$1794cb70$b5562441@cato.org> Reply-To: "Steve Miller" From: "Steve Miller" To: References: <20020801124527.4784.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Subject: Re: Times OP ED piece Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:16:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 The problem with graduated licensing is that it tends to focus on displacement rather than kill-me potential. Is a 1500cc cruiser really more dangerous for an inexperienced rider than a 600 Supersport? If it's true that "[m]any of these fatalities involved older riders, those aged 40 and above, many of whom did not previously hold motorcycle licenses," then I wonder what are the obvious difference is with that rider groups' demographic. Are they less likely to wear helmets, or less likely to wear good helmets (I see a lot of beanies on weekends)? Are they much less likely to get rider training, i.e. MSF course, track school? -- Steve, just wondering. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:45 AM Subject: Times OP ED piece > from today's times: > http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20020801-647230.htmEDITORIAL > > . August 1, 2002 > > Common sense and motorcycle licensing > > The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) recently published some interesting data regarding an alarming uptick in motorcycle accidents and fatalities. According to NHTSA, motorcycle registrations have increased substantially during the past few years, from 3.8 million to 4.2 million between 1997 and 1999, which is also exactly the same time period during which motorcycle accident fatality rates rose significantly as well - up to 23.4 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in 1999 from 21.0 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in 1997. Many of these fatalities involved older riders, those aged 40 and above, many of whom did not previously hold motorcycle licenses. Today, the average age of a motorcycle rider is 38.5 years, whereas it was 26.9 in 1980. > It's almost certain that the increase in crashes noted by NHTSA these past several years is the result of rider inexperience - putting a relative novice on a huge bike that was probably chosen because it looked cool and the middle-aged guy buying it couldn't see himself putt-putting around on a lighter "starter bike." Most guys who don't get into cycling in their teenage or college years aren't likely to start out on the kinds of bikes that someone 16-22 years old would. That's not because of the inherent sensibility of the under-25 crowd. It's just simple economics: Under-25s don't have the money to buy a big bike, so they get what they can afford, which is almost always something smaller, lighter and less powerful than they'd get if they had the extra money. But a 35-year-old who is looking to buy his first bike is probably indulging himself with a "toy" and has disposable income to burn. He can afford the $8,000-$15,000 or more to buy a big cruiser, so he does. > The results are predictable. It would probably be a good thing if either motorcycling license requirements were a bit tougher (they're laughable in most states), or if people simply exercised better judgment and kept within their limits. There's no shame in acquiring valuable motorcycling skills on a "starter bike" before moving up. Your life may depend upon your prudence. > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Powered by Wild On Web: > Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! > http://www.wildonweb.com > |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| > |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 10:23:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71ENgZ4031578; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:23:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71ENf92031572; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:23:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: thursday bike night at barnes and noble Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:22:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2002 14:22:35.0478 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1A2B760:01C23966] I'll probably stop by the B&N tonight, too. What the hell. Pass on the Airpark Rd. show. Not after that fatal last month. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: thursday bike night at barnes and noble Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:04:01 -0400 I think people start to show up at around 8:00pm. Ive stayed there until 12am before. But since they do stunts at airpark Rd, i might go up there to see that after 9:00 or whatever. Ricardo Ill be the guy wearing the The Simpsons helmet :) I actually have a night free, what time will this bike night start? Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S -----Original Message----- From: Ricardo Pontes [mailto:ricardo@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:18 PM To: dccycles Subject: thursday bike night at barnes and noble Thursday Bike night at Barnes and Noble in Rockville, MD. Anyone coming from the dccycles group? Am i the only one? The b&N is off of route 355(rockville pike) and Randolph Road. Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 10:46:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71EkMZ4031888; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:46:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71EkMFg031883; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:46:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 1 Aug 2002 14:46:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20020801144620.24549.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) A wondering Steve pondered aloud- >The problem with graduated licensing is that it tends to focus on >displacement rather than kill-me potential. Is a 1500cc cruiser really more >dangerous for an inexperienced rider than a 600 Supersport? [Dave] When you put a kid with no previous riding experience or training on a bicycle with no training wheels, what happens ? I think (I'm not opining in this case) the thrust of the article is that in general motorcycle ridership is getting older & including more 'affluent' newbies that *CAN* afford bikes that are more likely to get them in trouble if they're not careful... the last 4 words being operative. If it's true >that "[m]any of these fatalities involved older riders, those aged 40 and >above, many of whom did not previously hold motorcycle licenses," then I >wonder what are the obvious difference is with that rider groups' >demographic. Are they less likely to wear helmets, or less likely to wear >good helmets (I see a lot of beanies on weekends)? Are they much less >likely to get rider training, i.e. MSF course, track school? [Dave] darn good question(s). Driver training in general is pathetic here, rider training is only marginally better. What seems to be indicated by the article is that 16-40 year olds with mega mondo horsepower are ok, but old timers (40 & over) need remedial training... Out of the blue question: Aren't Sikh males required to wear a turban ? Isn't it religious disrimination to compel them to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle ? Dave >-- Steve, just wondering. >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:45 AM >Subject: Times OP ED piece >> from today's times: >> http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20020801-647230.htmEDITORIAL >> >> . August 1, 2002 >> >> Common sense and motorcycle licensing >> >> The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) recently >published some interesting data regarding an alarming uptick in motorcycle >accidents and fatalities. According to NHTSA, motorcycle registrations have >increased substantially during the past few years, from 3.8 million to 4.2 >million between 1997 and 1999, which is also exactly the same time period >during which motorcycle accident fatality rates rose significantly as well - >up to 23.4 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in 1999 from >21.0 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in 1997. Many of >these fatalities involved older riders, those aged 40 and above, many of >whom did not previously hold motorcycle licenses. Today, the average age of >a motorcycle rider is 38.5 years, whereas it was 26.9 in 1980. >> It's almost certain that the increase in crashes noted by NHTSA >these past several years is the result of rider inexperience - putting a >relative novice on a huge bike that was probably chosen because it looked >cool and the middle-aged guy buying it couldn't see himself putt-putting >around on a lighter "starter bike." Most guys who don't get into cycling in >their teenage or college years aren't likely to start out on the kinds of >bikes that someone 16-22 years old would. That's not because of the inherent >sensibility of the under-25 crowd. It's just simple economics: Under-25s >don't have the money to buy a big bike, so they get what they can afford, >which is almost always something smaller, lighter and less powerful than >they'd get if they had the extra money. But a 35-year-old who is looking to >buy his first bike is probably indulging himself with a "toy" and has >disposable income to burn. He can afford the $8,000-$15,000 or more to buy a >big cruiser, so he does. >> The results are predictable. It would probably be a good thing if >either motorcycling license requirements were a bit tougher (they're >laughable in most states), or if people simply exercised better judgment and >kept within their limits. There's no shame in acquiring valuable >motorcycling skills on a "starter bike" before moving up. Your life may >depend upon your prudence. >> >> >> >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Powered by Wild On Web: >> Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! >> http://www.wildonweb.com >> |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| >> |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 10:59:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71ExhZ4032103; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:59:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71ExhEX032097; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:59:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <017501c2396c$bc316480$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <20020801124527.4784.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Subject: Re: Times OP ED piece Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:03:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: > from today's times: > http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20020801-647230.htmEDITORIAL > > . August 1, 2002 > > Common sense and motorcycle licensing > > The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) recently published some interesting data regarding an alarming uptick in motorcycle accidents and fatalities. According to NHTSA, motorcycle registrations have increased substantially during the past few years, from 3.8 million to 4.2 million between 1997 and 1999, which is also exactly the same time period during which motorcycle accident fatality rates rose significantly as well - up to 23.4 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in 1999 from 21.0 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in 1997. Many of these fatalities involved older riders, those aged 40 and above, many of whom did not previously hold motorcycle licenses. Today, the average age of a motorcycle rider is 38.5 years, whereas it was 26.9 in 1980. ---- PW: Hey, I'm still below average.... Ronald Reagan used to remark, "the nine scariest words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" In a similar vein, the five scariest words in the English language to an MSF instructor during the Friday night intros are, "I've been riding for years." The skill level among "re-treads" and self-described "experienced" riders is sometimes downright frightening. ---- Times: > It's almost certain that the increase in crashes noted by NHTSA these past several years is the result of rider inexperience - putting a relative novice on a huge bike that was probably chosen because it looked cool and the middle-aged guy buying it couldn't see himself putt-putting around on a lighter "starter bike." ---- PW: I dunno, a Buell Blast can serve as a remarkably effective gene pool removal tool, in the "wrong" hands. ---- Times: Most guys who don't get into cycling in their teenage or college years aren't likely to start out on the kinds of bikes that someone 16-22 years old would. That's not because of the inherent sensibility of the under-25 crowd. It's just simple economics: Under-25s don't have the money to buy a big bike, so they get what they can afford, which is almost always something smaller, lighter and less powerful than they'd get if they had the extra money. ----- PW: One wonders if the Times editorialist has heard of credit unions, banks, and "easy terms" dealer financing. I see plenty of young sub-25-year-olds on brand new liter bikes that aren't exactly cheap. ----- Times: But a 35-year-old who is looking to buy his first bike is probably indulging himself with a "toy" and has disposable income to burn. He can afford the $8,000-$15,000 or more to buy a big cruiser, so he does. > The results are predictable. It would probably be a good thing if either motorcycling license requirements were a bit tougher (they're laughable in most states), or if people simply exercised better judgment and kept within their limits. There's no shame in acquiring valuable motorcycling skills on a "starter bike" before moving up. Your life may depend upon your prudence. ----- PW: Interesting to see a newspaper editorial on bikes that's somewhat nuanced and thoughtful. They don't mention rider impairment, though, which is a big factor in crashes, as well as the riders who don't even bother to comply with the "laughable" state requirements and ride without endorsements. They seem to be hinting at graduated licensing, without coming out and saying it. And, as one would expect from the Times, they place the onus on the individual, where it belongs. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 11:33:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71FXaZ4032636; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:33:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71FXZLL032620; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:33:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:36:10 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: sdave@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece In-Reply-To: <20020801144620.24549.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > [Dave] When you put a kid with no previous riding experience or training > on a bicycle with no training wheels, what happens ? > > I think (I'm not opining in this case) the thrust of the article is that > in general motorcycle ridership is getting older & including more > 'affluent' newbies that *CAN* afford bikes that are more likely to get > them in trouble if they're not careful... the last 4 words being > operative. > I think the Motor Co. should pay up for MSF classes. Its not like they dont make a ton of profit per bike, it would keep their rider/buyer base more in tact. Honda does. My father, who's in his 50's has gotten the hankering for a softail because his buddy is thinking about getting one. Neither thought about any rider training, or even wearing helmets for that matter (they live in IL). I've let him take my bike around the block. I cringe at the thought of him going out on the streets. A friend's dad also got the hankerin for a big bad hog, he had it for two weeks, then spent another four in the hospital. I agree that they should start out on something smaller, but in most cases its just plain denial, they won't be the one that wrecks, thats why the start big and wear no gear. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 11:36:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71FaOZ4000354; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:36:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71FaOAo000345; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:36:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020801113809.0358bd90@mail.ncifcrf.gov> X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 11:38:50 -0700 To: "Rob Keiser" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lori Wilson Subject: RE: thursday bike night at barnes and noble In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Rob/All I'll be either at the Barnes and Noble or the Hooters tonight Yellow VFR/Orange front fender At 10:22 AM 8/1/02 -0400, Rob Keiser wrote: >I'll probably stop by the B&N tonight, too. What the hell. > >Pass on the Airpark Rd. show. Not after that fatal last month. > >Rob >'98 VFR800 > >From: "Ricardo Pontes" >To: "dccycles" >Subject: RE: thursday bike night at barnes and noble >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:04:01 -0400 > > > >I think people start to show up at around 8:00pm. Ive stayed there until >12am before. But since they do stunts at airpark Rd, i might go up there to >see that after 9:00 or whatever. > >Ricardo >Ill be the guy wearing the The Simpsons helmet :) > > >I actually have a night free, what time will this bike night start? > >Scott Russell >1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ricardo Pontes [mailto:ricardo@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:18 PM >To: dccycles >Subject: thursday bike night at barnes and noble > > > > >Thursday Bike night at Barnes and Noble in Rockville, MD. Anyone coming from >the dccycles group? Am i the only one? The b&N is off of route 355(rockville >pike) and Randolph Road. > >Ricardo > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 11:43:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71FhVZ4000608; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:43:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71FhVhV000604; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:43:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 1 Aug 2002 15:43:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20020801154329.875.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) A still wondering Steve Asked: >> [Dave] When you put a kid with no previous riding experience or training >on a bicycle with no training wheels, >what happens ? Steve: >They fall over, but they don't DIE. That's what I don't get. [Dave] Ok... Good point... ;-) I can imagine >many of these guys dropping their bikes in parking lots or at stop signs, >but a fatal accident generally happens at speed, when the bike is much more >stable all on its own. Aren't fatal accidents generally the result of >riding over your head, or mis-judging traffic, i.e. not knowing how to avoid >the BDCs? [Dave] PW(Paul) had some good points. I forget the percentage, but a large number of riders go down 'impaired' by chemicals. Failure to negotiate turn(s) is up there too... I'm not sure the displacement or weight of a bike is a factor in >the case of the latter, and I always thought the limitations of most >cruisers tend to prevent the former. [Dave] I think the Times Editorial staff can find more significant things to write about, like common sense license reform for CAR & SUV drivers. The numbers show the carnage plain and simple, more people die from minivans & SUV's than even RIDE motorcycles ! ! ! ! Stop the Horror, For the Children ! Another out of the blue question: Why isn't the conductor of train that wrecked in jail ? He saw an obstruction on the tracks, hit the brakes & couldn't stop. Many injuries resulted. Conductor was obviously going to fast for conditions if he couldn't stop... He could've killed dozens, and he still walks free. If any one of us did that in our commuting, we would be hauled off to jail... I'm just asking... Dave >-- Steve, still wondering. >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:46 AM >Subject: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece >> A wondering Steve pondered aloud- >> >> >The problem with graduated licensing is that it tends to focus on >> >displacement rather than kill-me potential. Is a 1500cc cruiser really >more >> >dangerous for an inexperienced rider than a 600 Supersport? >> >> [Dave] When you put a kid with no previous riding experience or training >on a bicycle with no training wheels, what happens ? >> >> I think (I'm not opining in this case) the thrust of the article is that >in general motorcycle ridership is getting older & including more 'affluent' >newbies that *CAN* afford bikes that are more likely to get them in trouble >if they're not careful... the last 4 words being operative. >> >> If it's true >> >that "[m]any of these fatalities involved older riders, those aged 40 and >> >above, many of whom did not previously hold motorcycle licenses," then I >> >wonder what the obvious difference is with that rider groups' >> >demographic. Are they less likely to wear helmets, or less likely to >wear >> >good helmets (I see a lot of beanies on weekends)? Are they much less >> >likely to get rider training, i.e. MSF course, track school? >> >> [Dave] darn good question(s). Driver training in general is pathetic >here, rider training is only marginally better. What seems to be indicated >by the article is that 16-40 year olds with mega mondo horsepower are ok, >but old timers (40 & over) need remedial training... >> >> Out of the blue question: >> >> Aren't Sikh males required to wear a turban ? Isn't it religious >disrimination to compel them to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle ? >> >> >> Dave >> >> >-- Steve, just wondering. >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: >> >To: >> >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:45 AM >> >Subject: Times OP ED piece >> >> from today's times: >> >> http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20020801-647230.htmEDITORIAL >> >> >> >> . August 1, 2002 >> >> >> >> Common sense and motorcycle licensing >> >> >> >> The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) >recently >> >published some interesting data regarding an alarming uptick in >motorcycle >> >accidents and fatalities. According to NHTSA, motorcycle registrations >have >> >increased substantially during the past few years, from 3.8 million to >4.2 >> >million between 1997 and 1999, which is also exactly the same time period >> >during which motorcycle accident fatality rates rose significantly as >well - >> >up to 23.4 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in 1999 >from >> >21.0 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in 1997. Many of >> >these fatalities involved older riders, those aged 40 and above, many of >> >whom did not previously hold motorcycle licenses. Today, the average age >of >> >a motorcycle rider is 38.5 years, whereas it was 26.9 in 1980. >> >> It's almost certain that the increase in crashes noted by NHTSA >> >these past several years is the result of rider inexperience - putting a >> >relative novice on a huge bike that was probably chosen because it looked >> >cool and the middle-aged guy buying it couldn't see himself putt-putting >> >around on a lighter "starter bike." Most guys who don't get into cycling >in >> >their teenage or college years aren't likely to start out on the kinds of >> >bikes that someone 16-22 years old would. That's not because of the >inherent >> >sensibility of the under-25 crowd. It's just simple economics: Under-25s >> >don't have the money to buy a big bike, so they get what they can afford, >> >which is almost always something smaller, lighter and less powerful than >> >they'd get if they had the extra money. But a 35-year-old who is looking >to >> >buy his first bike is probably indulging himself with a "toy" and has >> >disposable income to burn. He can afford the $8,000-$15,000 or more to >buy a >> >big cruiser, so he does. >> >> The results are predictable. It would probably be a good thing if >> >either motorcycling license requirements were a bit tougher (they're >> >laughable in most states), or if people simply exercised better judgment >and >> >kept within their limits. There's no shame in acquiring valuable >> >motorcycling skills on a "starter bike" before moving up. Your life may >> >depend upon your prudence. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> Powered by Wild On Web: >> >> Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! >> >> http://www.wildonweb.com >> >> |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| >> >> |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... >> >> >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Powered by Wild On Web: >> Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! >> http://www.wildonweb.com >> |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| >> |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 11:44:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71FicZ4000896; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:44:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71Fic8p000891; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:44:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: Times OP ED piece Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:43:27 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <20020801124527.4784.qmail@server445.gisol.com> <017501c2396c$bc316480$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <017501c2396c$bc316480$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208011143273L.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 01 August 2002 11:03, Paul Wilson wrote: > ---- > > Times: > > It's almost certain that the increase in crashes noted by NHTSA > > these past several years is the result of rider inexperience - putting a > relative novice on a huge bike that was probably chosen because it looked > cool and the middle-aged guy buying it couldn't see himself putt-putting > around on a lighter "starter bike." > > ---- > PW: I dunno, a Buell Blast can serve as a remarkably effective gene pool > removal tool, in the "wrong" hands. > Yea, but it's probably already too late by then, 40+ year old drivers very likely already have propigated their defective genes by then. > ---- > Times: > ----- > PW: One wonders if the Times editorialist has heard of credit unions, > banks, and "easy terms" dealer financing. I see plenty of young > sub-25-year-olds on brand new liter bikes that aren't exactly cheap. > And Harley-Davidson seems to accept just about anyone with the 10% down payment. The interest rate may be illegal but you have a bike :-) > ----- > > Times: But a 35-year-old who is looking to buy his first bike is probably > indulging himself with a "toy" and has disposable income to burn. He can > afford the $8,000-$15,000 or more to buy a big cruiser, so he does. > Yea but lots of them are posers. I've seen several bikes for sale with less than 2k miles on them and are 2 or 3 years old. Buy it, park it, admire themselves, sell it. Besides, "many of the riders are over 40" may not be all that significant a number. How many is "many"? What ratio? What conditions? Long distance? City? Left turn accidents? What other information is available? Plus, that means that "most" of the accidents are happening to the under 40 crowd. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 11:46:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71FkQZ4001093; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:46:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71FkPmR001085; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:46:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaU14uNUATPKlBr00JAw+zsUSsgu1LP7o801RrMeY7EkRZOMOObWhiZKNHNCSuObQY= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Re: Times OP ED piece Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:46:52 -0400 Message-ID: <005201c23972$a81c30f0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: NO! There is NO SUCH THING AS THE COMPANY PAYING FOR IT!!!! jeebus, why do people say such things? The money doesn't come from "the company". It comes from the price I/you/we PAY for the bike(s). It's not semantics. It's that the price will rise exactly the amount that it costs to fund the MSF classes. You can't tax a for-profit company, you can't levy a judgment (e.g. Philip Morris) on a for-profit company, you can't make THEM pay for something. The CUSTOMER(s) always pays. The tobacco suits basically just enacted a new tax on smokers (mostly poor people) and sent the money to the legal teams assorted government(s) agencies. A hugely regressive tax supported by (mainly) Democrats who are supposed to be against these things. --jon sick and tired of it today. so sorry, nothing personal. finex rant-ex. -----dan wrote: I think the Motor Co. should pay up for MSF classes. Its not like they dont make a ton of profit per bike, it would keep their rider/buyer base more in tact. Honda does. My father, who's in his 50's has gotten the hankering for a softail because his buddy is thinking about getting one. Neither thought about any rider training, or even wearing helmets for that matter (they live in IL). I've let him take my bike around the block. I cringe at the thought of him going out on the streets. A friend's dad also got the hankerin for a big bad hog, he had it for two weeks, then spent another four in the hospital. I agree that they should start out on something smaller, but in most cases its just plain denial, they won't be the one that wrecks, thats why the start big and wear no gear. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 11:47:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71FlsZ4001278; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:47:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71FlraB001272; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:47:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVanj5T8wBbkN9wrSSjdHxlGUSqGIAoqpECripdgjs4e5A2RKlSNtC2yBVxo3X5BeRU= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: , Subject: RE: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:48:20 -0400 Message-ID: <005301c23972$dceed5d0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020801154329.875.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Trains take mile(s) to stop. ------------------------ Another out of the blue question: Why isn't the conductor of train that wrecked in jail ? He saw an obstruction on the tracks, hit the brakes & couldn't stop. Many injuries resulted. Conductor was obviously going to fast for conditions if he couldn't stop... He could've killed dozens, and he still walks free. If any one of us did that in our commuting, we would be hauled off to jail... I'm just asking... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 12:22:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71GM1Z4001670; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:22:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71GM1AE001665; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:22:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007b01c23978$3a135740$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <20020801154329.875.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Subject: OT Trains, was Re: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:25:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 First of all, on a passenger train, the engineer (and sometimes an assistant) is in the cab and can apply the brakes, not the conductor. On freight trains the engineer and conductor ride up front. And, as someone else pointed out, even with "dumping the air" or "big holing" in a emergency stop a train takes a very long distance to stop. You're up against the weight of the train and the low friction of steel wheels on steel rails. The same factors that make trains highly efficient (low rolling resistance of steel on steel) means that can't stop on a dime. Still, crews can be liable if they violate company or federal rules, are impaired, etc. If a motorist fails to stop at a grade crossing, the most common "accident," there's not a lot they can do. If you are speaking of Monday's wreck in Kensington, according to news reports the engineer saw the buckled track and applied the brakes. The train was moving at 60 mph, so it could not stop in time. He complied with the rules, apparently, was not speeding, etc. Still, there will be a "pee in the cup" style investigation to rule out impairment. Event recorders will determine how, where and when the brakes were applied. Preliminary evidence points to shoddy track maintenance as the culprit. If trains had to stop short of any obstruction they could never move more than about 10-15 mph. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Why isn't the conductor of train that wrecked in jail ? He saw an obstruction on the tracks, hit the brakes & couldn't stop. Many injuries resulted. Conductor was obviously going to fast for conditions if he couldn't stop... He could've killed dozens, and he still walks free. If any one of us did that in our commuting, we would be hauled off to jail... > > I'm just asking... > > Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 12:22:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71GMcZ4001857; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:22:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71GMc8F001850; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:22:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020801162235.52132.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:22:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: cute? To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <81.1f3977ca.2a79fded@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > ..... but maybe you're right... 'hot' describes both > my bike and myself way > better! (cute just sounds less conceded you know?!) > I am going to need to see photographs before I can chime in on this one. Feel free to send them along. ;) Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 12:29:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71GT3Z4002259; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:29:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71GT2Rx002253; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:29:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00ae01c23978$75b7be30$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: , References: <004901c23961$7adf4a20$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Subject: Re: cute? Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:28:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 > I can just hear the blonde (sorry, Patti) "huh-Huh!" smiley-giggle thing > going on after that statement. > Complete with head cock, hair flip, eye twinkle, and vacant grin. I'm not a blonde. I am a fashion-enhanced brunette. cheers, Patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 12:35:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71GZiZ4002572; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:35:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71GZhNd002563; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:35:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020801123616.04a81588@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 12:36:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Weekend ride (was im new!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:48 AM 7/30/02 -0700, you wrote: >I'm setting up a ride for this Saturday, 8/3. It will be a mix of >sportbikes (Hayabusa, ZX-11, CBR F4i) and cruisers/standards (HD Dyna, HD >Road King, Suzuki Intruder 800, Suzuki GS500E, Honda CB750). 2 of the >riders are pretty new, with only 2-3 months experience (Intruder and >GS500E). We'll probably start from my house on the east side of >Frederick, just off route 70. > >The ride will be pretty relaxed, although I'll include some nice twisties >for those of us that would like to break away for more spirited riding. > >Drop me an e-mail if you'd like me to include you in the private e-mails >regarding the route and directions to my house. > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ I probably should have sent this to Jenn directly. Thanks for all of the private e-mails expressing interest in riding with me, really, I'm flattered :-) However, I was only trying to give Jenn the opportunity to ride with some other newbs in a 'ride your own ride' group. With all of the private e-mails I've received, maybe one of you guys should organize a DC-Cycles ride for this weekend. Seems like there is interest :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 12:41:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71Gf2Z4002818; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:41:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71Gf2fa002810; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:41:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020801164100.44205.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:41:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020801144620.24549.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Out of the blue question: > > Aren't Sikh males required to wear a turban ? Isn't > it religious disrimination to compel them to wear a > helmet while riding a motorcycle ? > > > Dave IIRC, a Canadian Sikh male made that arguement and won. I hope his turban has styrofoam padding and reinforced with kevlar. Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 12:46:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71GkBZ4003013; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:46:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71GkAvF003008; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:46:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020801164607.94601.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:46:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020801154329.875.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Another out of the blue question: > > Why isn't the conductor of train that wrecked in > jail ? He saw an obstruction on the tracks, hit the > brakes & couldn't stop. Many injuries resulted. > Conductor was obviously going to fast for conditions > if he couldn't stop... He could've killed dozens, > and he still walks free. If any one of us did that > in our commuting, we would be hauled off to jail... > > > I'm just asking... > > Dave > When cars fall into the the 5 ft. wide potholes on DC bridges, the driver is not charged. If you crest a hill to find a farm tractor parked in the road and you strike it, you are not charged. Those are unexpected road hazards, not environmental conditions such as rain and sleet where a reasonable person would expect you to exercise more caution. Todd (aka The Answer Man ) or as my mother referred to me for years 'Damn Smart Ass' ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 12:53:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71GrbZ4003217; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:53:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71Grbnk003212; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:53:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYCfGqBsS8mL9hxyG2sZ5+dyTQIhTy6CwvLet0pN93T8D0yW51SHjzDopYivipGeLI= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Weekend ride (was im new!) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:54:04 -0400 Message-ID: <005d01c2397c$0bbeb250$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020801123616.04a81588@noid.org> It's not you, it's Jenn. All of us lonely loser computer geeks have nothing better to do than fantasize about Jenn (since we'd never actually have the courage to *talk* to a live one... in person) and chat on several lists are hoping that she'll be swept off of her feet by our sleek m/c's and our finely honed riding skills. For me, I'm just hoping that the acne subsides before I go completely bald. --jon, 35yo virgin with a great list of bookmarks and a strong grip -----Wayne Edelen wrote: > Thanks for all of the > private e-mails expressing interest in riding with me, really, I'm > flattered From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 13:23:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71HNXZ4003750; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:23:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71HNXJ3003745; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:23:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 1 Aug 2002 17:23:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20020801172331.25866.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) Answer man Todd chimed in - >--- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >> Another out of the blue question: >> >> Why isn't the conductor of train that wrecked in >> jail ? >When cars fall into the the 5 ft. wide potholes on DC >bridges, the driver is not charged. [Dave] Actually, I think here the city is supposed to ante up... I recall my parents getting money from a DC pot hole years ago... If you crest a >hill to find a farm tractor parked in the road and you >strike it, you are not charged. [Dave] Ok... I can buy that... but if it's moving, even really slowly, that would probably be an 'at fault' event.... Those are unexpected >road hazards, not environmental conditions such as >rain and sleet where a reasonable person would expect >you to exercise more caution. [Dave] And actually, I heard that they're reducing the train speed from 70 - 45 mph over 90 degrees now... >Todd (aka The Answer Man ) >or as my mother referred to me for years 'Damn Smart Ass' [Dave] My mom called me "Mr. Smarty Pants" ;-) still does... >===== >AIM: Inf DS >http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow >----------------------------------------------------------- >Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better >http://health.yahoo.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 13:26:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71HQYZ4003932; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:26:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71HQXkj003927; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:26:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:22:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Stranded in NY: Recommend a mechanic please! To: piffiffi@XXXXXX Cc: nyc-moto@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit piffiffi@XXXXXX writes: >My bike gave up. Obviously it's the charging system. The heat made it >extremely lazy, and now it charges below 12 V. I am in NY city right now >on >a trip, on my own, [snip] I don't know any NY people, so I can't help you there. If you can't find anyone, you CAN get back to dc as follows (general comments---don't know vfr circuits specifically): (1) fully recharge your battery. (2) Pull the headlight fuse(s) (ie, travel during daylight). (3) Do not use the electric starter (push start only), horn, or turn signals (use hand signals---left arm straight out for left turn; left arm out and up for right turn). I would also disconnect the front brake light switch (use the rear brake for brake light if there's someone behind you) and all running and instrument lights. The only electric power you want is the ignition circuit and one brake switch. (Keep the horn available for emergencies.) This should give you several hours of riding time even with a dead charging system. Note: if the charging system works this will overcharge your battery and/or damage the charging system. As backup, you can take an extra (charged) battery (bike or car, and enough wire run to the regular battery connections). Sealed battery is best. May also take a battery charger to plug in at any electric outlet, and/or a solar battery charger (I haven't done the calculations as to whether this is practical). Good luck. --garcia "We're lost, but we're making good time." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 13:40:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71HeEZ4004186; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:40:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71HeC4c004170; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:40:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <132.11b47491.2a7acc76@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:40:06 EDT Subject: Perforated Excrement Batman!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 I was just quoted a price of over $63.00 for a bike inspection here in MD. Is that even close to normal? Holy Shit Batman! I mean if it is I will have to pay it somewhere, but if I am going to be F%#&ed that badly it is going to have to be someone I like, not the horses ass I talked to at Atlantic. Me: $63.00? For an inspection? I do not think I have ever paid more then $8.00 for one. (In retrospect I think I have paid $15.00 or so. Oh well.) Horses: "Where have you paid less?" (Belligerent attitude) Me: Um Tennessee, North Carolina, Virginia... Oh yea Nevada. Horses: "Oh" (I forgot to mention Florida and that I was a licensed inspector in NC. But that was enough to shut him up. I also forgot to mention that I paid $0.00 for my first inspection in VA because the guy did not feel like filling out the paperwork.) Me: What do you do for $63? Horses "We inspect your bike" (Duh!) Me: Uh yea, but what exactly do you do that makes it worth $63? Horses: "Everything on that poster" I went to look, (probably surprised him no end. Unless he plans to check my doors and windshield wipers I do not think they are going to do "everything on the poster." I think he knew he had lost me when I laughed out loud. I left. I hate bullshit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 13:55:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71HthZ4004530; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:55:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71HthTD004525; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:55:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:58:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Reply-To: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT Trains, was Re: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece In-Reply-To: <007b01c23978$3a135740$bb82fea9@palladio1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:25:22 -0400 > From: Paul Wilson > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sdave@XXXXXX > Subject: OT Trains, was Re: Re: Re: Times OP ED piece > > evidence points to shoddy track maintenance as the culprit. If trains had > to stop short of any obstruction they could never move more than about 10-15 > mph. Or they'd need some technology that allowed them to see or sense farther ahead. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 14:02:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71I2vZ4004741; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:02:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71I2vlO004736; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:02:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020801180254.57754.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:02:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: FZR400 for sale (from Ninja 250 discussion list) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't know anything about this bike other than what was posted. Leon. FZR 400 for sale - real lightweight sportbike Thu Aug 1 14:02:22 2002 I used to have a 250 ninja upgraded to this 400 and now I am upgrading again. Details- 1990 fzr 400 (only imported in US 1988 1989 1990 - very rare bike - especially since it has never been raced) 19k miles aluminum frame and swingarm hindle full exhaust hindle stage one jet kit - also have the stage 3 that i will include new dunlop tires / new brakes 520 chain conversion and new sprokects (will also throw in a bunch of extra/stock parts) as for looks: (the bike looks new) bright yellow paint carbon fiber graphics kit carbon flushmount front signals carbon shortstack signals in the back R1 taillight speed screen superbike grips tank pad and probably some other crap I cannot remember. I want $2,800 for it. I live in the DC metro area - email me for pics, thanks. Ljrod@XXXXXX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 14:14:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71IE7Z4004988; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:14:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71IE7Pe004981; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:14:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020801141439.0137a434@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 14:15:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Perforated Excrement Batman!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:40 PM 8/1/02 EDT, you wrote: [...] >Me: What do you do for $63? > >Horses "We inspect your bike" (Duh!) > >Me: Uh yea, but what exactly do you do that makes it worth $63? > >Horses: "Everything on that poster" > >I went to look, (probably surprised him no end. Unless he plans to check my >doors and windshield wipers I do not think they are going to do "everything >on the poster." I think he knew he had lost me when I laughed out loud. > >I left. >I hate bullshit. I think it was $25 at JT in Frederick. They inspected my bike while I waited. I think Frederick Harley is even cheaper/faster. Friend of mine just took his Intruder over there for an inspection. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 14:26:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71IQ6Z4005228; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:26:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71IQ6kt005223; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:26:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D497E8A.F6D7E813@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 14:31:38 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dan CC: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Times OP ED piece References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dan wrote: > > I think the Motor Co. should pay up for MSF classes. Its not like they > dont make a ton of profit per bike, it would keep their rider/buyer base > more in tact. Honda does. And so does The Motor Company, unless policy changed. Thru H.O.G. membership one can get a rebate on an MSF class and methinks that applys to basic and exp courses. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 14:27:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71IRXZ4005402; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:27:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71IRXVA005395; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:27:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 1 Aug 2002 18:27:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20020801182731.8921.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Perforated Excrement Batman!! X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) Coddlin' Cooters, Fudgeman ! Subject: Perforated Excrement Batman!! >I was just quoted a price of over $63.00 for a bike inspection here in MD. >Is that even close to normal? Holy Shit Batman! [Dave] No. they're supposed to be the same price whereever you go in the (no so) free state... I'll bet you went to Atlantic (or what used to be them) in Bendover, MD... right ? >I mean if it is I will have to pay it somewhere, but if I am going to be >F%#&ed that badly it is going to have to be someone I like, not the horses >ass I talked to at Atlantic. [Dave] Yup. I knew it. They flunked my bike because - not enough air in the front tire. HA from Atlantic: It failed. Me: why? HA: not enough air in the front tire. Me: (in best impersonation of my former Drill Sergeant) "WTF are you talking about !? GTF back there and put some G*D D@mn air in the M*ther F... tires" (that was a lot of profanity, in retrospect)... He did. Then I passed, and subsequently, I left. >Me: $63.00? For an inspection? ... : Uh yea, but what exactly do you do that makes it worth $63? >Horses: "Everything on that poster" >I went to look, (probably surprised him no end. Unless he plans to check my >doors and windshield wipers I do not think they are going to do "everything >on the poster." I think he knew he had lost me when I laughed out loud. >I left. >I hate bullshit. [Dave] Unfortunately, in MD, not every inspection station is qualified for motorcycles... There aren't too many down your way. What about Clinton Cycles in Oxon Hill? Right by the Har(d)ley dealer, behind Giant at Livingston Square ... I think the last inspectin I got in MD was $37.00... but it was a while back... It's only once, and shops usually try to soak you for replacement parts or work. Cages typically fail for wiper blades, and headlight aim. In MD, if you fail, they can only legally inspect the failing part in subsequent attempts at reinspection and you can get the work done anywhere, but if you go to another place for inspection, they inspect everything all over again. Good luck. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 14:34:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71IYOZ4005636; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:34:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71IYKHn005617; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:34:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 14:34:10 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Perforated Excrement Batman!! Message-ID: <7DCB882B.2B6B0639.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ummmmmm......I seriously doubt it. Most I've ever padi at a VA gas/inspection station has been between $10 & $15. Maryland can't be that much different. I've never even paid that much for my car. I think he was just playing you for a sucker. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:40:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, PenguinBiker writes: > > > I was just quoted a price of over $63.00 for a bike inspection here in MD. > Is that even close to normal? Holy Shit Batman! > I mean if it is I will have to pay it somewhere, but if I am going to be > F%#&ed that badly it is going to have to be someone I like, not the horses > ass I talked to at Atlantic. > > Me: $63.00? For an inspection? I do not think I have ever paid more then > $8.00 for one. (In retrospect I think I have paid $15.00 or so. Oh well.) > > Horses: "Where have you paid less?" (Belligerent attitude) > > Me: Um Tennessee, North Carolina, Virginia... Oh yea Nevada. > > Horses: "Oh" > > (I forgot to mention Florida and that I was a licensed inspector in NC. But > that was enough to shut him up. I also forgot to mention that I paid $0.00 > for my first inspection in VA because the guy did not feel like filling out > the paperwork.) > > Me: What do you do for $63? > > Horses "We inspect your bike" (Duh!) > > Me: Uh yea, but what exactly do you do that makes it worth $63? > > Horses: "Everything on that poster" > > I went to look, (probably surprised him no end. Unless he plans to check my > doors and windshield wipers I do not think they are going to do "everything > on the poster." I think he knew he had lost me when I > laughed out loud. > > I left. > I hate bullshit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 14:48:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71ImkZ4005858; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:48:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71ImgsJ005839; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:48:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4983DA.EF7FB0E4@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 14:54:18 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX CC: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Perforated Excrement Batman!! References: <7DCB882B.2B6B0639.0C9D3659@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Ummmmmm......I seriously doubt it. Most I've ever padi at a VA gas/inspection station has been between $10 & $15. Maryland can't be that much different. I've never even paid that much for my car. I think he was just playing you for a sucker. > > Scooter Wrong answer -- Maryland BLOWS! Car inspections can run hundreds of dollars, but you only have tot do it when you buy or transfer a new to MD vehicle into MD. I reckon over a ten year period, assuming one keeps rides that long, you'd pay more for annual VA inpections. Hmm... come to think of it, my last VA m/c inspection was $5. It was a "Nice Bike" inspection, what the inspector said when he handed me to the sticker to apply wherever in hell I wanted too. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 15:33:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71JXKZ4006257; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:33:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71JXKKj006253; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:33:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: "'ScooterFZR@XXXXXX'" , PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Perforated Excrement Batman!! Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:30:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I paid $5 in VA this year. Damn, I'm glad I don't live in Silver Spring anymore. -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:34 PM To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Perforated Excrement Batman!! Ummmmmm......I seriously doubt it. Most I've ever padi at a VA gas/inspection station has been between $10 & $15. Maryland can't be that much different. I've never even paid that much for my car. I think he was just playing you for a sucker. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:40:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, PenguinBiker writes: > > > I was just quoted a price of over $63.00 for a bike inspection here in MD. > Is that even close to normal? Holy Shit Batman! > I mean if it is I will have to pay it somewhere, but if I am going to be > F%#&ed that badly it is going to have to be someone I like, not the horses > ass I talked to at Atlantic. > > Me: $63.00? For an inspection? I do not think I have ever paid more then > $8.00 for one. (In retrospect I think I have paid $15.00 or so. Oh well.) > > Horses: "Where have you paid less?" (Belligerent attitude) > > Me: Um Tennessee, North Carolina, Virginia... Oh yea Nevada. > > Horses: "Oh" > > (I forgot to mention Florida and that I was a licensed inspector in NC. But > that was enough to shut him up. I also forgot to mention that I paid $0.00 > for my first inspection in VA because the guy did not feel like filling out > the paperwork.) > > Me: What do you do for $63? > > Horses "We inspect your bike" (Duh!) > > Me: Uh yea, but what exactly do you do that makes it worth $63? > > Horses: "Everything on that poster" > > I went to look, (probably surprised him no end. Unless he plans to check my > doors and windshield wipers I do not think they are going to do "everything > on the poster." I think he knew he had lost me when I > laughed out loud. > > I left. > I hate bullshit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 15:42:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71Jg5Z4006497; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:42:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71Jg4EL006490; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:42:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [158.114.92.201] From: "Randy Moran" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Times OP ED piece Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 15:40:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2002 19:40:57.0801 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B81E390:01C23993]

Jon Strang wrote:


>NO! There is NO SUCH THING AS THE COMPANY PAYING FOR IT!!!!

>jeebus, why do people say such things? The money doesn't come from "the
>company". It comes from the price I/you/we PAY for the bike(s). It's not
>semantics. It's that the price will rise exactly the amount that it costs
>to fund the MSF classes.
>
>You can't tax a for-profit company, you can't levy a judgment (e.g. Philip
>Morris) on a for-profit company, you can't make THEM pay for something. The
>CUSTOMER(s) always pays.
>
>The tobacco suits basically just enacted a new tax on smokers (mostly poor
>people) and sent the money to the legal teams assorted government(s)
>agencies. A hugely regressive tax supported by (mainly) Democrats who are

>supposed to be against these things.

 

Well, all this sounds about right, however in the case of what Dan was saying I think the "Motor Company paying for it" would be a bit of closed loop for most of us. It would mean more expensive Hardlys, but those of us who ride other makes wouldn't be affected at all.

RPM


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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 16:07:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71K7BZ4006822; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:07:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71K79nN006803; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:07:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020801160738.01378914@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 16:08:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: RE: Perforated Excrement Batman!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:30 PM 8/1/02 -0400, you wrote: >I paid $5 in VA this year. Damn, I'm glad I don't live in Silver Spring >anymore. Not saying one is better than the other, but don't you have to get an inspection each year in VA? In MD, it's a one time deal. Once you're inspected, you can let your pile rot away and continue to drive it around. :-\ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 16:30:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71KURZ4007117; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:30:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71KUQXv007110; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:30:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 1 Aug 2002 20:30:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20020801203025.32572.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Perforated Excrement Batman!! X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) Wayne Wonders: >Not saying one is better than the other, but don't you have to get an >inspection each year in VA? In MD, it's a one time deal. Once you're >inspected, you can let your pile rot away and continue to drive it around. [Dave] It depends. Both systems are breeding grounds for 'unneeded' repairs... I don't like having to inspect every year, but I dreaded MD inspections far more. You can take a new car to a MD inspection station and at least 40% will fail it for - windshield wipers & headlight alignment... The last 4 cars I got inspected in MD, I already did it in anticipation. The 1st one failed, so I promptly produced receipts for said repairs, and got my certificate, the next was wipers only, which I had, and the last 2 went ok... Used cars are notoriously difficult to get clean inspection bills on in MD, because they're so subjective. 1 time, I got a 'kitchen sink' list of stuff to fix. Knowing the guy was being an ass, I went elsewhere, and failed for - wiper blades, yet again... but that was it. Bussler's in St. Mary's was the worst. Many moons ago, I was rehabing a truck in St. Mary's. I failed for 'exhaust hangars'... The factory hangars sat in rubber mounts, the inspector insisted on solid mounts. I tightened them as best as could be done, & produced the factory part receipts and that was insufficient. At that point, he demonstrated by yanking on the exhaust, then hanging on it in order to display how 'bad' it was. When that failed to work, he pulled the pipe between the muffler & manifold off with a mondo pipe wrench. Having just completed that repair myself, a fight ensued. The cops were called. 2 hours of statements, the like, all for nothing - no charges filed. I talked to the owner and said I would be back by C.O.B, and there would be a valid inspection on the car (I did not ask). The owner gave me a pass when I returned. The knock on VA is that you have to take the time out to sit in line, almost like *ACK!* DC :-( It's a PITA if you've got several vehicles... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 16:32:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71KWaZ4007290; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:32:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71KWaYH007284; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:32:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Perforated Excrement Batman!! Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:28:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" It really depends on how long you own your bike(s). I've had some for a few months and others for 4 years. I just turned 26 today, so I can only judge on my limited experience living in this area since '98. I didn't have to worry about Inspection in the other countries/states where I lived. Thus far it seems cheaper to inspect in VA than in MD. The inspection may be cheap in VA, but the state does recoup lost revenue by making you purchase those stupid locality decals. W.E.Scott III Cage-Free Since '76 -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:08 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Perforated Excrement Batman!! At 03:30 PM 8/1/02 -0400, you wrote: >I paid $5 in VA this year. Damn, I'm glad I don't live in Silver Spring >anymore. Not saying one is better than the other, but don't you have to get an inspection each year in VA? In MD, it's a one time deal. Once you're inspected, you can let your pile rot away and continue to drive it around. :-\ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 16:56:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71KuPZ4007604; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:56:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71KuPLd007600; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:56:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 16:56:21 -0400 Subject: Dealers for Suzuki Service? From: Rob Curtis To: DC-CYCLES Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Gotta have the first service done on my SV soon... I called a bunch of dealers to get service prices and found a wide range of prices, from $135 in Winchester to $250 in Herndon. I figure I'll pay what it takes to make sure they do the work, so if anyone can recommend a good wrench to do the first service, I'd appreciate it. Free State Cycle in Captiol Heights, Md is middle of the road, $150 and reasonably close, so unless someone has a horror story about them I'll probably take it there... Thanks! Rob 01SV650S -- Rob Curtis Senior Photographer Army Times Publishing Co. Springfield, VA http://www.robcurtis.com __________________ "To be persuasive, we must be believable. To be believable, we must be credible. To be credible, we must be truthful." Edward R. Murrow From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 17:04:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71L4TZ4007867; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:04:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71L4TlC007859; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:04:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: helmets wanted.. Rashed.. Slightly damaged for painting Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:04:22 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2002 21:03:27.0050 (UTC) FILETIME=[E17D5AA0:01C2399E] Im experimenting painting pics on helmets. But i need more experience and i dont have enough helmets. Anyone have old helmets, rashed helmets, light damaged helmets they do not want? Email me at ricardo@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 17:08:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71L8fZ4008157; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:08:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71L8eTi008149; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:08:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: Re: Dealers for Suzuki Service? Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:06:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A6419623EBD285@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Dealers for Suzuki Service? Thread-Index: AcI5n4sPQrXE+ESQSuCt5QJcmKPQpA== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g71L8dZ4008137 First Service..on a SV ? Its just a freakin oil change... The shop manual also says to check the torque on critical bolts.(is a dealer is gonna do that?) Buy a filter, oil, a torque wrench...even a shop manual...save $$ George >>> Rob Curtis 08/01/02 04:56PM >>> Gotta have the first service done on my SV soon... I called a bunch of dealers to get service prices and found a wide range of prices, from $135 in Winchester to $250 in Herndon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 17:15:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71LFZZ4008371; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:15:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71LFZ7f008367; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:15:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020801211532.6735.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:15:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: helmets wanted.. Rashed.. Slightly damaged for painting To: Ricardo Pontes , dccycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, I'll let you paint the one I wear everyday. Suggestions from the group as to what the picture should be??? To get the group into the right spirit, here are the guidelines I can think of. Farm animals are ok, but graphic sex isn't. Solid colors are ok, I don't care for pastels. I have no taste, so if it comes out badly, I won't notice. Leon. --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > > Im experimenting painting pics on helmets. But i > need more experience and i > dont have enough helmets. Anyone have old helmets, > rashed helmets, light > damaged helmets they do not want? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 17:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71LL9Z4008586; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:21:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71LL9rD008581; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:21:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: "Ricardo Pontes" , "dccycles" Subject: RE: helmets wanted.. Rashed.. Slightly damaged for painting Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:20:45 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020801211532.6735.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Okay, I have an old one that I would like also, if you can do the patriotic thing that would be great. My bike is blue, so the red, white and blue thing would work. Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:16 PM To: Ricardo Pontes; dccycles Subject: Re: helmets wanted.. Rashed.. Slightly damaged for painting Ok, I'll let you paint the one I wear everyday. Suggestions from the group as to what the picture should be??? To get the group into the right spirit, here are the guidelines I can think of. Farm animals are ok, but graphic sex isn't. Solid colors are ok, I don't care for pastels. I have no taste, so if it comes out badly, I won't notice. Leon. --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > > Im experimenting painting pics on helmets. But i > need more experience and i > dont have enough helmets. Anyone have old helmets, > rashed helmets, light > damaged helmets they do not want? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 17:22:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71LMZZ4008779; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:22:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71LMYqP008774; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:22:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [151.196.168.237] From: "Jay Block" To: md.abate@XXXXXX, AHauffman@XXXXXX, AIMLawyers@XXXXXX, Gypsylthr@XXXXXX, bettyhdstore@XXXXXX, bikerdan@XXXXXX, bob@XXXXXX, bussep@XXXXXX, cacollin@XXXXXX, cmpurrin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, djake@XXXXXX, Hogadams@XXXXXX, imwolfie69@XXXXXX, jayblockllc@XXXXXX, Jumpstart301@XXXXXX, manck@XXXXXX, MGVLAHOS@XXXXXX, michellecr@XXXXXX, m-riders@XXXXXX, philip.l.kraft@XXXXXX, pjnlinda@XXXXXX, prez95ocmd@XXXXXX, ci37290@XXXXXX, wglass@XXXXXX, rdix@XXXXXX, rebel_rider69@XXXXXX, scootertramp@XXXXXX, squid126@XXXXXX, suljustdad@XXXXXX, wisennock@XXXXXX, wmcrum@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: Fw: Check out Recall Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:21:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2002 21:21:24.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[63BDDBA0:01C239A1] Subject: Fw: Check out Recall Click here: Recall Any one who has one of the NexL helmets should check the date on the label inside. There is a recall on some of them for 2 safety issues. This link will give you the info needed to check to see if your lid is included. They will send you free UPS shipping labels and you should have the helmet back in 2 to 3 weeks. Ride Safe & Have Fun, _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 17:40:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71LeoZ4009077; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:40:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71LeoPU009072; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:40:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B971@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'Jennthebiker@XXXXXX'" Subject: The Dragon and other roads Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:45:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain The Dragon: --- dan wrote: "Half the fun is going up and down moutains for me. It adds a nice level of complexity, especially those down hill decreasing radius turns!" Then get thee to SE Ohio and ride everything with a 55 or 78 in the road number. There're lotsa ridge roads where you crest a hill and then either go right, left, or =8^O. One of the better known is 555 but 550 has some fun parts as does 78. & tom g touted, "the dragon is good. but it is 500+ miles away.... you should take a 3-4+ day weekend to enjoy the area." Ay it's not just the Dragon but the many good roads coming off the BRP. Lots of up, up, ups and down, down, down 'n arounds. Check out 276 from the BRP to Cruso, NC for instance. IIRC it's NC 415 or 215 in that area that is "ahem" thrilling. Or the roads south of "Little Switzerland". Taking the "boulder detour" a couple of years ago, a fellow from Maine remarked, "I think I saw the back of my helmet twice." It's worth a very long week end or better a week. >From Deals gap take Cherohala Skyway to Tellico Plains, then TN 68 to GA 60 to Suches. (Sample Wolf Pen Gap Road.) Grab a tent spot at T.W.O and take a sunset ride down Ga 60 -19 to Dahlonega. California also has some great twisty roads, especially up in the "Gold Country" but Nawth Caro-lina and West By God Virginny are much closer. Local fun cruising roads: Grab a MD map (free) or an ADC or Delorme ($10 at Sams) Closer to Westminster, MD, the roads between Rt 15 and the Monocacy are some fun easy roads. Try to find LeGore Bridge road. Find the three covered bridges. Is the creamery is still on Mumma Ford road? Go up 77 through Catoctin Park Come back down and run past Camp Dxxxd (shhhh) Go past Fort Ritchie and find PenMar overlook. Run south on Rt 17 Stop in Middletown for Ice cream. To Burkittsville (No "California stops" at the stop sign) turn right and climb to Gapland. Then cross over to Antietam, up 67 cross over at Reno Monument, Find Mt. Tabor road Detour to Washington Monument or go on to Myersville and . . . Nice roads to work on "smooth" and "ride your own ride". Find folks who'll wait for you at the next intersection. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg http://www.crashmancomics.com/sabmag/rogues/carlcuster.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 17:56:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71LujZ4009486; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:56:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71LujDe009481; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:56:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020801215642.51634.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:56:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Perforated Excrement Batman!! To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <132.11b47491.2a7acc76@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i think it's about a 1/2 hour labor (by the book). unless your shop has a $126.00/hr labor rate, they were trying to do you without a courtesy lube. take it to rick hart, iii at the potomac village amoco. if you do, please tell him i recommended him.... --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > I was just quoted a price of over $63.00 for a bike > inspection here in MD. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 18:08:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71M8VZ4009761; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:08:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71M8UEQ009754; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:08:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020801220828.33040.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:08:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Perforated Excrement Batman!! To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <7DCB882B.2B6B0639.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Ummmmmm......I seriously doubt it. Most I've ever padi > at a VA gas/inspection station has been between $10 & > $15. Maryland can't be that much different. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WRONG! va. has a YEARLY inspection. md. has a ONE TIME inspection. we'll touch on the other differences between md. and va. over the coming weeks. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 18:24:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71MOkZ4010082; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:24:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71MOjnE010074; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:24:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1b9.4264382.2a7b0f25@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:24:37 EDT Subject: Re: cute? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 i sense a bit of tension from my good friend jon? > I can just hear the blonde (sorry, Patti) "huh-Huh!" smiley-giggle thing > going on after that statement. > Complete with head cock, hair flip, eye twinkle, and vacant grin. *flips her hairs* im not blonde! :) > > > and maybe even tom and chuck? > > No, not even in the slightest. And Tom is fictitious. He's really one of > Chuck's pseudonyms. We know Chuck is real, cuz we see him on da TV alla > time. what in the world is chuck doing on tv?? > Speaking of pseudonyms, are you sure you're not Bill Huson (or someone else) > E. Anking our chains? im a real person..i promise you.... if you'd ever offer to riding youd find out! :) > > ..... but maybe you're right... 'hot' describes both my bike and myself > way > > better! (cute just sounds less conceded you know?!) > > Conceded? I'm confused. Oh, conceited. As in "I thought I was cute and a > real hottie, but someone told me I was just conceited." Got it. okok.. im originally from western pa.. they forgot to teach us things like spelling (and capitalization and punctuation!) > --jon > I need more coffee. I feel grumpy. > sure hope he got some! jenn :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 18:33:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71MXMZ4010305; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:33:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71MXLQD010299; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:33:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 18:32:20 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: jmstrang@XXXXXX|, jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend ride (was im new!) Message-ID: <5FB6C060.77ED92CA.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit heh funny stuff... i'm game for a group ride but we have to stop off and get some eats. jenn has to lead the ride tho... :) In a message dated Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:54:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > > > > It's not you, it's Jenn. > > All of us lonely loser computer geeks have nothing better to do than > fantasize about Jenn (since we'd never actually have the courage to > *talk* to a live one... in person) and chat on several > lists are hoping that she'll be swept off of her feet by our sleek m/c's and > our finely honed riding skills. > > For me, I'm just hoping that the acne subsides before I go completely bald. > > --jon, 35yo virgin with a great list of bookmarks and a strong grip > > -----Wayne Edelen wrote: > > Thanks for all of the > > private e-mails expressing interest in riding with me, > really, I'm > > flattered From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 18:35:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71MZ8Z4010501; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:35:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71MZ8CV010496; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:35:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1a2.639dcae.2a7b1193@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:34:59 EDT Subject: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 now i'm the one who's flattered! since all of you seem to be pretty friendly with one another ... you'll have to fill me in on who is who and where you're from! ill start -- hello. im jenn. and im a biker. :) i know you've all be wondering (maybe even patti -- the brunette!) ... im 25...and i live in owings mills. >It's not you, it's Jenn. >All of us lonely loser computer geeks have nothing better to do than f>antasize about Jenn (since we'd never actually have the courage to >*talk* to a live one... in person) and chat on several >lists are hoping that she'll be swept off of her feet by our sleek m/c's and >our finely honed riding skills. >For me, I'm just hoping that the acne subsides before I go completely bald. >--jon, 35yo virgin with a great list of bookmarks and a strong grip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 18:59:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71MxcZ4010863; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:59:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71Mxc7Q010859; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:59:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <41.21136f14.2a7b1750@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:59:28 EDT Subject: Re: Dealers for Suzuki Service? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/1/2002 5:08:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, George.Cole@XXXXXX writes: > check the > torque > on critical bolts.(is a dealer is gonna do that?) Not just no but HELL NO! > > Buy a filter, oil, a torque wrench...even a shop manual...save $$ Listen to the man! Do as much as you can safely do yourself. Save money, and know it is done right. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 19:07:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71N7rZ4011393; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:07:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71N7rKg011386; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:07:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <19d.6429359.2a7b1942@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:07:46 EDT Subject: Re: Perforated Excrement Batman!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/1/2002 5:57:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > i think it's about a 1/2 hour labor (by the book). On a bad day! Like I said I was an inspector in NC for a few years. That is why I wanted to know what the hell they did that was worth $63. Answer, NOTHING! Basically the same thing we did in 15min. or so. I think their labor rate was $42hr. or so meaning they wanted 1 1/2 hrs. to see if the brakes work (both #:-) Thanks for all of the responses. Now if I can find one of these places.... (I can) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 19:11:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71NBRZ4011577; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:11:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71NBQhn011572; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:11:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: cute? Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:06:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c239b0$20c4f040$1e82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <1b9.4264382.2a7b0f25@aol.com> Importance: Normal JTB confessed - ... okok.. im originally from western pa.. they forgot to teach us things like spelling (and capitalization and punctuation!) [Dave] It's a big Commonwealth, where more specifically? > --jon > I need more coffee. I feel grumpy. > sure hope he got some! [Dave] Uhh... You DO mean coffee... Right? This *IS* a family list... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 19:40:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71NeNZ4011947; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:40:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71NeLqO011935; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:40:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D49C82E.6210CF8B@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 19:45:50 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Scott, Wellesley E." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Perforated Excrement Batman!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Scott, Wellesley E." wrote: > It really depends on how long you own your bike(s). I've had some for a few > months and others for 4 years. I just turned 26 today, so I can only judge > on my limited experience living in this area since '98. I didn't have to > worry about Inspection in the other countries/states where I lived. > > Thus far it seems cheaper to inspect in VA than in MD. The inspection may > be cheap in VA, but the state does recoup lost revenue by making you > purchase those stupid locality decals. > > W.E.Scott III > Cage-Free Since '76 Nope, the locality decals are a county deal, proof that you've paid your county pp tax. The Commonwealth of VA gets zip on those, and I doubt they get much off inspection either. Mechanics don't work for free, and the actual sticker is $1. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 19:57:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g71NvbZ4012190; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:57:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g71NvbWh012185; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:57:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 19:58:03 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) Message-ID: <245B5C45.52A62482.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit LOL... ok we everyone to participate... A/S/L something like that. A=age S=sex L=location J/K... hehe In a message dated Thu, 1 Aug 2002 5:34:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jennthebiker writes: > > > now i'm the one who's flattered! since all of you seem to be pretty > friendly with one another ... you'll have to fill me in on who is who and > where you're from! > > ill start -- hello. im jenn. and im a biker. :) i know you've all be > wondering (maybe even patti -- the brunette!) ... im 25...and i live in > owings mills. > > >It's not you, it's Jenn. > > >All of us lonely loser computer geeks have nothing better to do than > f>antasize about Jenn (since we'd never actually have the courage to > >*talk* to a live one... in person) and chat on several > >lists are hoping that she'll be swept off of her feet by our sleek m/c's and > >our finely honed riding skills. > > >For me, I'm just hoping that the acne subsides before I go completely bald. > > >--jon, 35yo virgin with a great list of bookmarks and a > strong grip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 20:12:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g720CQZ4012449; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:12:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g720CQTY012442; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:12:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D49CFBA.F6D0C429@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 20:18:02 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: STmaven@XXXXXX CC: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) References: <245B5C45.52A62482.001912B6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: > LOL... ok we everyone to participate... > > A/S/L something like that. Okay, I'll go... > A=age * older than dirt > S=sex * yes > L=location * usually in bed, but I'm not picky "Got it inna kitchen, got it inna hall, got it on mah finger an' I wiped it onna wall! Yeah, hot nuts, hot nuts, get it anywhere ya can!" (Apologies to Doug Clark and the Hot Nuts, circa early 1960s) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 20:38:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g720cKZ4012899; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:38:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g720cJbZ012891; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:38:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.1.20020801203557.00ac44a8@k-kdom.nishanet.com> X-Sender: brownlee_b@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 20:40:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/01/02 In-Reply-To: <200208012300.g71N02IQ010899@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Leon said: >Farm animals are ok, but graphic sex isn't. leon, shouldnt that be "farm impliments"? how bout a nice shiney 90 series? or a photo of chad little? never could remember what the fascination with the 97 was..... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 21:01:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7211oZ4013291; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:01:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7211nfs013279; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:01:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.54.231.123] From: "Jay Block" To: md.abate@XXXXXX, AIMLawyers@XXXXXX, Gypsylthr@XXXXXX, bettyboopbear@XXXXXX, bettyhdstore@XXXXXX, bikerdan@XXXXXX, bob@XXXXXX, bussep@XXXXXX, cacollin@XXXXXX, cmpurrin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, djake@XXXXXX, Jumpstart301@XXXXXX, LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX, MGVLAHOS@XXXXXX, michellecr@XXXXXX, m-riders@XXXXXX, philip.l.kraft@XXXXXX, pjnlinda@XXXXXX, prez95ocmd@XXXXXX, ci37290@XXXXXX, wglass@XXXXXX, rdix@XXXXXX, rebel_rider69@XXXXXX, scootertramp@XXXXXX, suljustdad@XXXXXX, toni2000r@XXXXXX, wisennock@XXXXXX, wmcrum@XXXXXX Cc: jayblockllc@XXXXXX Subject: The link to a helmet recall site Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:01:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2002 01:01:41.0968 (UTC) FILETIME=[29ECBD00:01C239C0] http://64.4.14.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=730cb49c2cf8de9eea9a902ca9de4c33&lat=1028249783&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fnexlsports%2ecom%2frecall%2ehtml Don't ask me how, just copy and paste it. Jay _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 21:22:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g721MwZ4013644; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:22:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g721Mwl8013639; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:22:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "'Leon Begeman'" , "Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: helmets wanted.. Rashed.. Slightly damaged for painting Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:29:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c239cc$60f86b80$66bc82ac@ticostat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020801211532.6735.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> X-Apparently-From: Rodgersmp@XXXXXX >>Ok, I'll let you paint the one I wear everyday. >>Suggestions from the group as to what the picture >>should be??? A retro-style flame paint job is always nice. I have a friend who is a tattooist in Texas City, Texas (isn't there a country song that starts like that?!) that would insist on adding some eyeballs, too. He says eyeballs go with everything. Personally, though, I think flames would be just fine, eyeballs would be overkill. On a slightly similar, slightly different note: I know painting and/or adding stickers to a helmet usually voids the manufacturer's warranty. I pretty much always stick a sticker or two on a helmet, and fortunately I have never had to try and return one---no head-crashes! But has anyone had any experience with this? Just curious. Is there any truth to the manufacturer's statements that paint/adhesive seeps into the impact-absorbing layer and dissolves it? Or is this just the way they make you use their painters? I just spend a pile of money on 2 new helmets, one Bieffe, one Bell, both came with that disclaimer and I would really hate to drop one and not be able to get it fixed if needed. Cheers, Patti '95 Yamaha Virago '69 BSA FireBird <-- just got approved for DC Vanity plates: BEEZR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 21:23:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g721NZZ4013799; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:23:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g721NYTk013793; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:23:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:23:19 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <245B5C45.52A62482.001912B6@aol.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2002 01:22:32.0736 (UTC) FILETIME=[1370CA00:01C239C3] LOL... ok we everyone to participate... A/S/L something like that. A=age S=sex L=location J/K... hehe Ricardo 22 years old Burtonsville, MD 20866 2001 yamaha r1 1998 Kawasaki Klr650 Fav ride.. Day long rides. Ricardo www.pileofgarbage.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 21:29:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g721TFZ4014237; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:29:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g721TEfH014229; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:29:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.196.106] From: "Blake Stoddard" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT FS: 1978 Yamaha XS650 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 19:28:06 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2002 01:28:07.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[DADCE1F0:01C239C3] For Sale: 1978 Yamaha XS650 Simply don)B’t have time for the bike anymore. Bought a few years back as a basket case (literally) and was built back up as a project. Engine runs strong, literally just needs a set of coils and ready to go. New battery this year, carbs cleaned and synched last month, timing set a few weeks ago, new advancer weight springs, new custom hand made wiring harness made for this bike (all soldered, as few connectors as possible-uses automotive coils). Great beginner bike for learning the roads on, taking those first spills, or even for the basis for a chopper project. Also included is an extra engine and various parts incase needed, but these bikes were built to last. Has title (from previous owner - never changed over). Bike Must Go before Aug 15. Asking Price $500 or make me an offer. This thing must go quick. Willing to transport in Northern VA area for $20. Blake Stoddard Dale City, VA (703) 878-2532 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 21:32:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g721WkZ4014545; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:32:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g721Wj5l014540; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:32:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:32:21 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX To: bhuson@XXXXXX, STmaven@XXXXXX Cc: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) Message-ID: <2449BECE.1BF92ED7.1056E6D9@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'll pay too. :-) A=age * just turned older than dirt (31) S=sex * nope. still a virgin. :-) L=location * somewhere in my mind. I think. ;-) Additional answers: N=name * Scott H=hair color * currently dark brown with blonde highlights (trying to look younger than I am ;-)) E=eye color * brown H=height * 6'2" - 6'3" W=weight * 205 (thank god for the Bowflex) B=bike * 2000 Yamaha YZF R6 (r/w/b) Y=years riding * 5 years C=crashes * 2 - over four years ago (newbie mistakes) L=actual location * downtown DC I like scifi & comedy movies, country & Irish music, attempting rollerblading, hanging out with friends, etc., etc., etc. hehe Scooter In a message dated Thu, 1 Aug 2002 7:18:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: > > > LOL... ok we everyone to participate... > > > > A/S/L something like that. > > Okay, I'll go... > > > A=age * older than dirt > > S=sex * yes > > L=location * usually in bed, but I'm not picky > > "Got it inna kitchen, got it inna hall, got it on mah finger an' I wiped it onna wall! > Yeah, hot nuts, hot nuts, get it anywhere ya can!" > (Apologies to Doug Clark and the Hot > Nuts, circa early 1960s) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 21:37:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g721bbZ4014854; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:37:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g721barj014850; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:37:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:37:24 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX To: scooterfzr@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX, STmaven@XXXXXX Cc: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) Message-ID: <117C1C50.5ACF57FA.1056E6D9@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OK...before all you pervs out there comment, just a typo. :-) It should have read, "I'll PLAY too." Scooter In a message dated Thu, 1 Aug 2002 8:32:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, scooterfzr writes: > > > I'll pay too. :-) > > A=age * just turned older than dirt (31) > S=sex * nope. still a virgin. :-) > L=location * somewhere in my mind. I think. ;-) > > Additional answers: > > N=name * Scott > H=hair color * currently dark brown with blonde highlights (trying to look younger than I am ;-)) > E=eye color * brown > H=height * 6'2" - 6'3" > W=weight * 205 (thank god for the Bowflex) > B=bike * 2000 Yamaha YZF R6 (r/w/b) > Y=years riding * 5 years > C=crashes * 2 - over four years ago (newbie mistakes) > L=actual location * downtown DC > > I like scifi & comedy movies, country & Irish music, attempting rollerblading, hanging out with friends, etc., etc., etc. hehe > > Scooter > > In a message dated Thu, 1 Aug 2002 7:18:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > LOL... ok we everyone to participate... > > > > > > A/S/L something like that. > > > > Okay, I'll go... > > > > > A=age * older than dirt > > > S=sex * yes > > > L=location * usually in bed, but I'm not picky > > > > "Got it inna kitchen, got it inna hall, got it on mah > finger an' I wiped it onna wall! > > Yeah, hot nuts, hot nuts, get it anywhere ya can!" > > (Apologies to Doug Clark and the Hot > > Nuts, circa early 1960s) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 21:56:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g721uYZ4015367; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:56:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g721uYlT015359; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:56:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:56:21 -0400 Subject: Re: cute? From: Stephen Miller To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1b9.4264382.2a7b0f25@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 8/1/02 6:24 PM, Jennthebiker@XXXXXX at Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: >> No, not even in the slightest. And Tom is fictitious. He's really one of >> Chuck's pseudonyms. We know Chuck is real, cuz we see him on da TV alla >> time. > > > what in the world is chuck doing on tv?? Chuck is a famous policy analyst at the Cato Institute!!!!!!!! Those wacky libertoids are always on TV! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 22:03:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7223eZ4015695; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:03:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7223dOP015688; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:03:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02df01c239c7$c130c830$77292c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" References: <20020801220828.33040.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Perforated Excrement Batman!! Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:56:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 The fee for Va. inspections is capped by law. Inspection stations in Maryland seem to charge whatever the traffic will bear. In DC cages get it every two years, bike get annual inspections. It's tacked on to your registration fee. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > Ummmmmm......I seriously doubt it. Most I've ever padi > > at a VA gas/inspection station has been between $10 & > > $15. Maryland can't be that much different. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > WRONG! va. has a YEARLY inspection. md. has a ONE TIME > inspection. > > we'll touch on the other differences between md. and va. > over the coming weeks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 22:08:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72284Z4016013; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:08:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72284Iu016008; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:08:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Paul Wilson'" , "'DC-CYCLES'" Subject: RE: Perforated Excrement Batman!! Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:02:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c239c8$d99bbd20$2682c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <02df01c239c7$c130c830$77292c42@D7XFG711> Paul Pointed out - The fee for Va. inspections is capped by law. Inspection stations in Maryland seem to charge whatever the traffic will bear. [Dave] MD inspections are (supposed to be) capped as well. Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 22:25:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g722PaZ4016386; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:25:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g722PZvi016381; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:25:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D49EEF0.E7697E3E@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:31:12 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mprodgers@XXXXXX CC: "'Leon Begeman'" , "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: helmets wanted.. Rashed.. Slightly damaged for painting References: <000101c239cc$60f86b80$66bc82ac@ticostat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patti Rodgers wrote: > On a slightly similar, slightly different note: I know painting and/or > adding stickers to a helmet usually voids the manufacturer's warranty. I > pretty much always stick a sticker or two on a helmet, and fortunately I > have never had to try and return one---no head-crashes! But has anyone had > any experience with this? Just curious. Is there any truth to the > manufacturer's statements that paint/adhesive seeps into the > impact-absorbing layer and dissolves it? Or is this just the way they make > you use their painters? I just spend a pile of money on 2 new helmets, one > Bieffe, one Bell, both came with that disclaimer and I would really hate to > drop one and not be able to get it fixed if needed. The shell of a polycarb helmet *could* be compromised by the solvents in *some* paints, but stickers? I'd have to the absolute proof on that. And your basic Snell helmet, and most DOT ones also, are FRP or FRE. Fiberglass Reenforced Polyester or Epoxy resin. Many also use Kevlar fibers, and even graphite fibers. The exterior of those shells is gelcoat. *Some* solvents may affect the gelcoat, but the gelcoat is cosmetic, not structural, and is used to provide base color and is a good base for painting. Very few paints will have any effect on the actual epoxy/polyester laminate. IMHO, the no-paint, no-sticker deal is pure BS. The main impact absorbing layer is the crushable foam inside the shell. A few drops of gasolene or practically any other petrolium product will melt that, so don't abuse the interior. Tis the same foam your electronic gear comes packed in, and the same foam many car manufacturers use for impact absorbing bumpers. Works, but is fragile and the one component that doesn't age well, the reason for limiting the lifespan of your lid. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 22:27:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g722RfZ4016685; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:27:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g722Re9H016677; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:27:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020801222812.045fa94c@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:28:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: RE: thursday bike night at barnes and noble Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:38 AM 8/1/02 -0700, Lori Wilson wrote: >Rob/All >I'll be either at the Barnes and Noble or the Hooters tonight >Yellow VFR/Orange front fender It was great hooking up and hanging out with other listers tonight. I hope to be able to ride with you Iron Butts sometime in the future :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 22:28:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g722SCZ4016979; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:28:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g722SCrP016972; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:28:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D49EF8D.A1EDFBE7@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:33:49 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scooterfzr@XXXXXX CC: STmaven@XXXXXX, Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) References: <2449BECE.1BF92ED7.1056E6D9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sheesh, 31 is nowhere near older than dirt. My son is older than you are! scooterfzr@XXXXXX wrote: > I'll pay too. :-) > > A=age * just turned older than dirt (31) > S=sex * nope. still a virgin. :-) > L=location * somewhere in my mind. I think. ;-) > > Additional answers: > > N=name * Scott > H=hair color * currently dark brown with blonde highlights (trying to look younger than I am ;-)) > E=eye color * brown > H=height * 6'2" - 6'3" > W=weight * 205 (thank god for the Bowflex) > B=bike * 2000 Yamaha YZF R6 (r/w/b) > Y=years riding * 5 years > C=crashes * 2 - over four years ago (newbie mistakes) > L=actual location * downtown DC > > I like scifi & comedy movies, country & Irish music, attempting rollerblading, hanging out with friends, etc., etc., etc. hehe > > Scooter > > In a message dated Thu, 1 Aug 2002 7:18:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > LOL... ok we everyone to participate... > > > > > > A/S/L something like that. > > > > Okay, I'll go... > > > > > A=age * older than dirt > > > S=sex * yes > > > L=location * usually in bed, but I'm not picky > > > > "Got it inna kitchen, got it inna hall, got it on mah finger an' I wiped it onna wall! > > Yeah, hot nuts, hot nuts, get it anywhere ya can!" > > (Apologies to Doug Clark and the Hot > > Nuts, circa early 1960s) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 22:30:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g722U9Z4017287; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:30:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g722U99H017282; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:30:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D49F002.A6D403E2@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:35:46 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: "'Paul Wilson'" , "'DC-CYCLES'" Subject: Re: Perforated Excrement Batman!! References: <000201c239c8$d99bbd20$2682c0cf@nih.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > Paul Pointed out - > The fee for Va. inspections is capped by law. Inspection stations in > Maryland seem to charge whatever the traffic will bear. > > [Dave] MD inspections are (supposed to be) capped as well. [Bill] Yes, but the "cap" is the condom the inspector slips on before doing you. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 22:31:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g722VHZ4017584; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:31:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g722VHVU017578; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:31:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:31:09 EDT Subject: RE: cute? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 >JTB confessed - >... yay... i love it when people call me jtb :) although i must confess its not usually because people are calling me jennthebiker! my last name begins with a b. >okok.. im originally from western pa.. they forgot to teach us things >like >spelling (and capitalization and punctuation!) >[Dave] It's a big Commonwealth, where more specifically? anyone ever hear of a small town called indiana, pa? its about an hour and a half northest of pittsburgh. some people know of it because of the university -- indiana university of pennsylvania. some people know of it because its jimmy stewarts birthplace. other people know of it because its the christmas tree capital of the world. anyone know of it? and why in the world do you?? >> --jon >> I need more coffee. I feel grumpy. >> >sure hope he got some! >[Dave] Uhh... You DO mean coffee... Right? This *IS* a family >list... hey now! .... of course i meant coffee --- what else were you possibly thinking? *innocentlook* jtb :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 22:58:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g722wrZ4018016; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:58:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g722wrm3018009; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:58:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <14f.11cc906a.2a7b4f61@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:58:41 EDT Subject: Re: Dealers for Suzuki Service? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Rob wrote: Gotta have the first service done on my SV soon... I called a bunch of dealers to get service prices and found a wide range of prices, from $135 in Winchester to $250 in Herndon. I figure I'll pay what it takes to make sure they do the work, so if anyone can recommend a good wrench to do the first service, I'd appreciate it. Free State Cycle in Captiol Heights, Md is middle of the road, $150 and reasonably close, so unless someone has a horror story about them I'll probably take it there... Jenn writes: i just had my first service done on my honda shadow. in the baltimore area, there was a 2-4 week wait and it was going to cost over 200$ plus parts for 2 hours of service. i called the dealer in pa that my stepdad deals with. it was 84$ plus parts for the same 2 hours of service. they took me in on my first available day to return to pa. if you're interested in a road trip to indiana, pa --- call tom's cycle 724-349-2211. they're a honda shop but i do believe they also are cerfified with suzuki. just a thought! jenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 23:06:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72363Z4018365; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:06:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72363Tl018357; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:06:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:08:44 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) In-Reply-To: <1a2.639dcae.2a7b1193@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Wow, in one week this list has gone from dc-cycles to the jenn fan list. Jenn, you may have set record for hijacking a list serve. Not that I mind, its entertaining. Dan On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > now i'm the one who's flattered! since all of you seem to be pretty > friendly with one another ... you'll have to fill me in on who is who and > where you're from! > > ill start -- hello. im jenn. and im a biker. :) i know you've all be > wondering (maybe even patti -- the brunette!) ... im 25...and i live in > owings mills. > > >It's not you, it's Jenn. > > >All of us lonely loser computer geeks have nothing better to do than > f>antasize about Jenn (since we'd never actually have the courage to > >*talk* to a live one... in person) and chat on several > >lists are hoping that she'll be swept off of her feet by our sleek m/c's and > >our finely honed riding skills. > > >For me, I'm just hoping that the acne subsides before I go completely bald. > > >--jon, 35yo virgin with a great list of bookmarks and a strong grip > -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 23:06:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7236IZ4018530; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:06:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7236ICu018525; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:06:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: helmets wanted.. Rashed.. Slightly damaged for painting Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:12:52 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c239da$dfd69130$66bc82ac@ticostat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D49EEF0.E7697E3E@patriot.net> X-Apparently-From: Rodgersmp@XXXXXX >> IMHO, the no-paint, no-sticker deal is pure BS. That's what I pretty much thought. I know the innards are somewhat similar to those styrofoam peanuts, and you can dissolve those with nail polish remover. Good for one hard thunk and that's it, but that's what it's supposed to do... but the shell? I had a hard time imagining how it is supposed to protect me from pavement but couldn't stand up to a little glue. I know that most manufacturers will inspect your helmet after a collision and deem it fit or unfit; if unfit, a lot of them offer you a discount on a new one. About 5 years ago, my brother, a shock-trauma doctor in Chicago, had a patient who was in a nasty motorcycle accident. Leathers shredded, and the helmet was really gone with the innards basically imploded. But the trauma team was really impressed that this guy didn't have any serious head injuries. (He did have neck injuries and several broken bones) The helmet did just what it was supposed to. The patient called Bell from the hospital and told them his story, in hopes he could just get a discount on a new helmet; not only did they replace the helmet free but they bought the broken helmet back for a tidy sum of money and ran a picture of it along with the guy's x-rays in an ad campaign in one of the biker magazines. cheers, Patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 23:29:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g723TIZ4019085; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:29:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g723TH4r019080; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:29:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:29:09 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2002 03:28:15.0923 (UTC) FILETIME=[A387C830:01C239D4] What if Jenn is really a man? Getting his kicks by pretending he is a little girl?? Ricardo Wow, in one week this list has gone from dc-cycles to the jenn fan list. Jenn, you may have set record for hijacking a list serve. Not that I mind, its entertaining. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 23:40:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g723eMZ4019545; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:40:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g723eLv3019536; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:40:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:43:00 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Ricardo Pontes cc: dccycles Subject: RE: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ricardo, you are so right. We need a picture.... of her nude (to make sure she isn't in drag) on the bike. Dan On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > > > What if Jenn is really a man? Getting his kicks by pretending he is a little > girl?? > > Ricardo > > > Wow, in one week this list has gone from dc-cycles to the jenn fan list. > Jenn, you may have set record for hijacking a list serve. Not that I > mind, its entertaining. > > Dan > > > -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 23:46:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g723kLZ4019921; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:46:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g723kKLk019915; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:46:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <174.c4be8f1.2a7b5a83@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:46:11 EDT Subject: im not a man! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Jenn writes: im not a man! sigh..... if pictures are needed as proof --- email me and ill send you a link to my snapfish.com photos :) jtb Ricardo writes: What if Jenn is really a man? Getting his kicks by pretending he is a little girl?? Ricardo Dan writes: Wow, in one week this list has gone from dc-cycles to the jenn fan list. Jenn, you may have set record for hijacking a list serve. Not that I mind, its entertaining. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 23:52:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g723qQZ4020253; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:52:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g723qQIT020248; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:52:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <168.11800777.2a7b5bf1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:52:17 EDT Subject: Re: im not a man! and dan's response! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Jenn writes: im not a man! sigh..... if pictures are needed as proof --- email me and ill send you a link to my snapfish.com photos :) jtb dan writes: Ricardo, you are so right. We need a picture.... of her nude (to make sure she isn't in drag) on the bike. jenn's additional response: the snapfish pics are not nude ones --- just thought id clarify! you kids!! :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 1 23:57:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g723vLZ4020583; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:57:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g723vKl3020578; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:57:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" , Subject: RE: im not a man! and dan's response! Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:57:12 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <168.11800777.2a7b5bf1@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2002 03:56:18.0110 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E3125E0:01C239D8] I must have proof. Like Dan said, nude pics are a MUST. How else are we to know. We did the same thing for Tom and Chuck. Ricardo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 00:27:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g724RoZ4021036; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:27:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g724RnNe021029; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:27:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 00:29:11 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: im not a man! and dan's response! To: Ricardo Pontes Cc: dccycles , Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-id: <3D4A0A97.DEAC1AB8@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > I must have proof. Like Dan said, nude pics are a MUST. How else are we to > know. We did the same thing for Tom and Chuck. What was the consensus on Tom, btw? (Har, har, har...) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 06:12:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72ACKZ4023292; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:12:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72ACJSE023281; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:12:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020802101216.76933.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 03:12:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) To: dan , Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- dan wrote: > Wow, in one week this list has gone from dc-cycles to the > jenn fan list. > Jenn, you may have set record for hijacking a list serve. > Not that I > mind, its entertaining. not surprising. according to a recent dcc survey, despite their big egos and macho machines, the average motorcyclist last got laid in april, 1999. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 06:14:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72AETZ4023457; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:14:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72AESsM023451; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:14:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dealers for Suzuki Service? Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:13:13 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <41.21136f14.2a7b1750@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <41.21136f14.2a7b1750@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208020613133W.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 01 August 2002 18:59, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/1/2002 5:08:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > George.Cole@XXXXXX writes: > > check the > > torque > > on critical bolts.(is a dealer is gonna do that?) > > Not just no but HELL NO! > > > Buy a filter, oil, a torque wrench...even a shop manual...save $$ > > Listen to the man! > Do as much as you can safely do yourself. > Save money, and know it is done right. I can see that for the majority of the service checks but the first (warranty check) and the major humps (10,000 miles) I'll be taking mine to the dealer. Verify what they've done. Watch out for the in-lbs torque measurements. It got me on one and almost on the second one. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 06:35:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72AZQZ4023699; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:35:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72AZQAr023694; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:35:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:34:10 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <1a2.639dcae.2a7b1193@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1a2.639dcae.2a7b1193@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208020634103Y.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ok, let's see what I can do here. Honorific=Evil Overlord Age=Older than my kids (45) Ride=FXSTI (Softail) Location=NASA Early Bird=Yes (up at 4am) Years riding=31 Day job="Chief" Engineer Average commute=35 minutes Vision=Week right eye, no glasses Inventive=A little Daughters=Christina (23; bday in 9 days), Samantha (19) Step-daughter=Jasmine (24) Own=Yes Name=Carl Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 07:06:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72B6KZ4023984; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:06:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72B6Jfp023977; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:06:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:05:09 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <1a2.639dcae.2a7b1193@aol.com> <0208020634103Y.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> In-Reply-To: <0208020634103Y.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02080207050940.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit And the obligatory typos and errors: weak, not week and Jasmine's birthday is tomorrow so it's (23; bday in 1 day) I didn't say Infallible Overlord Carl :-) Evil Overlord Carl On Friday 02 August 2002 06:34, Carl Schelin wrote: > Ok, let's see what I can do here. > > Honorific=Evil Overlord > Age=Older than my kids (45) > Ride=FXSTI (Softail) > Location=NASA > Early Bird=Yes (up at 4am) > Years riding=31 > Day job="Chief" Engineer > Average commute=35 minutes > Vision=Weak right eye, no glasses > Inventive=A little > Daughters=Christina (23; bday in 9 days), Samantha (19) > Step-daughter=Jasmine (23; bday in 1 day) > Own=Yes > Name=Carl > > Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 07:15:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72BFvZ4024185; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:15:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72BFuHi024175; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:15:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <684e2f04efc2428c8c85f2b365bd833f.kirk@vei.net> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cute? Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:15:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g72BFtZ4024163 Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > anyone ever hear of a small town called indiana, pa? its about an hour and a > half northest of pittsburgh. some people know of it because of the > university -- indiana university of pennsylvania. some people know of it > because its jimmy stewarts birthplace. other people know of it because its > the christmas tree capital of the world. anyone know of it? and why in the > world do you?? I've ridden my dirt bike in Indiana. There's a mc shop there with decent service. I flatted and *then* realized I'd left my tubes and tire irons in college park, md. So, I pulled the wheel and another of the guys I was riding with took me to the shop (none of us morons brought tubes or tire irons that day, idiots! Slime doesn't help pinch flats...). The mechanic actually stopped what he was doing and even installed the tube for me, a lazy dirt rider's dream. Unfortunately, I didn't get into local culture too much (ate at the cheapo chain steak house and bought a rain suit at walmart). My family's from south of pittsburgh - uniontown... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 07:55:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72BtpZ4024519; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:55:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72Btp0M024515; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:55:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:55:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Maddox To: Jay Block cc: md.abate@XXXXXX, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Subject: Re: The link to a helmet recall site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Jay Block wrote: >http://64.4.14.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=730cb49c2cf8de9eea9a902ca9de4c33&lat=1028249783&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fnexlsports%2ecom%2frecall%2ehtml >Don't ask me how, just copy and paste it. Try this instead: http://nexlsports.com/recall.html -- SIGFAULT: quote not generated Andrew Maddox, found at: madsox@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 08:06:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72C6GZ4024749; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:06:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72C6G9E024745; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:06:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020802120613.41690.qmail@web9702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 05:06:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: RE: cute? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >JTB confessed - >... >okok.. im originally from western pa.. >anyone ever hear of a small town called indiana, pa? >its about an hour and a half northest of pittsburgh. Sounds almost Erie. You'll find the roads here much better. :) Rich - Erie-ite __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 08:07:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72C7AZ4024912; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:07:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72C79Mn024905; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:07:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:07:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200208020807.AA227279514@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: The link to a helmet recall site X-Mailer: Wow, a beanie helmet that: 1) has weak areas in the shell that don't protect your head 2) has a weak strap that won't keep the helmet on your head in a crash 3) does not meet legal requirements for labeling. Shocked! I am SHOCKED! Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Andrew Maddox Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:55:38 -0400 (EDT) >On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Jay Block wrote: > >>http://64.4.14.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=730cb49c2cf8de9eea9a902ca9de4c33&lat=1028249783&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fnexlsports%2ecom%2frecall%2ehtml >>Don't ask me how, just copy and paste it. > >Try this instead: >http://nexlsports.com/recall.html > > >-- >SIGFAULT: quote not generated >Andrew Maddox, found at: madsox@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 08:14:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72CE5Z4025104; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:14:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72CE5cE025097; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:14:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 08:13:47 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: bhuson@XXXXXX, scooterfzr@XXXXXX Cc: STmaven@XXXXXX, Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) Message-ID: <7D96621D.0B27B17A.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well.....I told everyone I turned "Dirt" last year so, this year I told everyone I was "older than dirt." I "feel" older than dirt. Does that count? ;-) Scooter In a message dated Thu, 1 Aug 2002 9:33:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > Sheesh, 31 is nowhere near older than dirt. My son is older than you are! > > scooterfzr@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I'll pay too. :-) > > > > A=age * just turned older than dirt (31) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 08:15:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72CFGZ4025276; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:15:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72CFFDn025269; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:15:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: , Subject: RE: im not a man! Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:11:21 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <174.c4be8f1.2a7b5a83@aol.com> Importance: Normal You have nude photos on your snapfish? That one is too easy to bite. Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S -----Original Message----- From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX [mailto:Jennthebiker@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:46 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: im not a man! Jenn writes: im not a man! sigh..... if pictures are needed as proof --- email me and ill send you a link to my snapfish.com photos :) jtb Ricardo writes: What if Jenn is really a man? Getting his kicks by pretending he is a little girl?? Ricardo Dan writes: Wow, in one week this list has gone from dc-cycles to the jenn fan list. Jenn, you may have set record for hijacking a list serve. Not that I mind, its entertaining. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 08:19:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72CJLZ4025449; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:19:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72CJKEU025440; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:19:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 08:19:09 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cute? Message-ID: <30934CAA.7B8E3D83.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Why yes....I HAVE heard of Indiana, PA. As a matter of fact, I grew up in southwest PA in a little town called Carmichaels. About 60 miles south of Pittsburgh between Waynesburg and Uniontown. Attended college at California University of PA. Is that sufficient enough explanation as to why I know about Indiana, PA? ;-) Scooter (CUP Class of '94) In a message dated Thu, 1 Aug 2002 9:31:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jennthebiker writes: > > > >JTB confessed - > >... > > yay... i love it when people call me jtb :) although i must confess its not > usually because people are calling me jennthebiker! my last name begins with > a b. > > >okok.. im originally from western pa.. they forgot to teach us things > >like > >spelling (and capitalization and punctuation!) > > >[Dave] It's a big Commonwealth, where more specifically? > > anyone ever hear of a small town called indiana, pa? its about an hour and a > half northest of pittsburgh. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 08:20:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72CKVZ4025618; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:20:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72CKVb1025612; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:20:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802081939.029cf050@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 08:20:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) In-Reply-To: <3D49EF8D.A1EDFBE7@patriot.net> References: <2449BECE.1BF92ED7.1056E6D9@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:33 PM 8/1/2002, William J. Huson wrote: >Sheesh, 31 is nowhere near older than dirt. My son is older than you are! Ouch. Big three-oh in a couple more months. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 N38.84810 W77.44614 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 08:31:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72CVrZ4025815; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:31:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72CVr88025811; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:31:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 2 Aug 2002 12:31:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20020802123151.22197.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: who X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Dan remarked: >Wow, in one week this list has gone from dc-cycles to the jenn fan list. >Jenn, you may have set record for hijacking a list serve. [Dave] Dan, 1 word for you ( & the list ): SQUEAKERS. The archives will tell the tale... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 08:36:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72CaJZ4025990; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:36:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72CaJCQ025985; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:36:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 08:35:54 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cute? Message-ID: <4495999F.0A12AC9D.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Howdy neighbor. :-) I'm from Carmichaels. How often do you go up to visit the folks? Scooter In a message dated Fri, 2 Aug 2002 6:15:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: > > My family's from south of pittsburgh - uniontown... > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 08:38:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72CcJZ4026151; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:38:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72CcJew026147; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:38:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 08:38:09 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: MacDa@XXXXXX, Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: im not a man! Message-ID: <0C0C5B5C.19656B4D.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think she meant that she has nude photos OF her snapfish. Scooter In a message dated Fri, 2 Aug 2002 7:11:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, MacDa@XXXXXX writes: > > > You have nude photos on your snapfish? That one is too easy to bite. > > Scott Russell > 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX [mailto:Jennthebiker@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:46 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: im not a man! > > > Jenn writes: > im not a man! sigh..... if pictures are needed as proof --- email me and > ill > send you a link to my snapfish.com photos :) > > jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 08:45:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72Cj5Z4026361; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:45:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72Cj5v9026357; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:45:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020802124503.63555.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 05:45:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Re: who To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020802123151.22197.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wonder what ever happened to that "queen"? Glenn --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > [Dave] Dan, 1 word for you ( & the list ): > SQUEAKERS. > > The archives will tell the tale... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 09:22:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72DMuZ4026699; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:22:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72DMtxf026691; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:22:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020802132252.2660.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:22:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: RE: cute? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I know of it. Having lived in Pittsburgh for 9 years, and in PA for 24 years, I knew a bunch of people who went to IUP (the *real* Indiana University, as they'd say ... jib --- Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > >JTB confessed - > >... > > yay... i love it when people call me jtb :) > although i must confess its not > usually because people are calling me jennthebiker! > my last name begins with > a b. > > >okok.. im originally from western pa.. they forgot > to teach us things > >like > >spelling (and capitalization and punctuation!) > > >[Dave] It's a big Commonwealth, where more > specifically? > > anyone ever hear of a small town called indiana, pa? > its about an hour and a > half northest of pittsburgh. some people know of it > because of the > university -- indiana university of pennsylvania. > some people know of it > because its jimmy stewarts birthplace. other people > know of it because its > the christmas tree capital of the world. anyone > know of it? and why in the > world do you?? > > >> --jon > >> I need more coffee. I feel grumpy. > >> > > >sure hope he got some! > > >[Dave] Uhh... You DO mean coffee... Right? This > *IS* a family > >list... > > hey now! .... of course i meant coffee --- what else > were you possibly > thinking? *innocentlook* > > jtb :) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 09:50:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72Do3Z4026971; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:50:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72Do3ao026964; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:50:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020802135000.61120.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:50:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: im not a man! and dan's response! To: Ricardo Pontes , dccycles , Jennthebiker@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > > I must have proof. Like Dan said, nude pics are a MUST. > How else are we to > know. We did the same thing for Tom and Chuck. the one of me spanking chuck's bare bottom with the sporty tassles as he's bent over the tire changer is friggin hilarious.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 09:59:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72DxOZ4027219; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:59:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72DxOCo027211; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:59:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:59:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Maddox To: dccycles Subject: RE: im not a man! and dan's response! In-Reply-To: <20020802135000.61120.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Ricardo Pontes wrote: >> I must have proof. Like Dan said, nude pics are a MUST. > >the one of me spanking chuck's bare bottom with the sporty >tassles as he's bent over the tire changer is friggin >hilarious.... Y'know, the mental images this list is calling up are just getting more and more disturbing... !! -- SIGFAULT: quote not generated Andrew Maddox, found at: madsox@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 09:59:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72DxvZ4027378; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:59:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72DxvoZ027374; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:59:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZLQIq6evPbdEAHLLSUEtonmfZmfrUkGf1ZXDmTgwginxWMctB4nyo2tCSkpwcbO4g= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: , Subject: RE: cute? Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:00:27 -0400 Message-ID: <005a01c23a2c$f4c8fd60$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: > i sense a bit of tension from my good friend jon? All better now. ****aaaahhhhhh****** 64oz of home made iced coffee is a good thing on a hot sticky am. Lots of milk, sugar and cinnamums makes for a happy jon-boy. > *flips her hairs* im not blonde! :) Neither is Patti (not really, anyway...sshhhh, sEEkriT.). You two have so much in common. BTW, do you have any 20yo Doc Martens? That you bought new? (For those that don't know Patti: Her classic line to the snotty young punk at the club who thought she was *so* the sh!t...and the first to discover ink and spikes: "I've got Doc Martens older than you. Shut up and get out of my way." I've prolly misquoted her....). >what in the world is chuck doing on tv?? You'll have to send Comcast (or Cox) the $12.95 to find out. If you don't have a very open mind and strong stomach, spend the $13 on a 12 pack, drink it, and just *say* that you watched it. > im a real person..i promise you.... > if you'd ever offer to riding youd find out! :) > okok.. im originally from western pa.. they forgot to teach us things like > spelling (and capitalization and punctuation!) I guess you proved that point in the prior paragraph. Don't sweat it, kiddo, it's all in fun. > > I need more coffee. I feel grumpy. > sure hope he got some! yeppers. I'm not nearly so hormonal today. --jon ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 10:07:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72E7qZ4027606; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:07:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72E7ps2027599; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:07:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVby3XIuFJmb4CegoJQikS9thpjcb1NQTKZ8mmBxcjvJfeqHvWLxZQfsiRytqT88D24= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: , "'Leon Begeman'" , "'Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)'" Subject: RE: helmets wanted.. Rashed.. Slightly damaged for painting Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:08:22 -0400 Message-ID: <005b01c23a2e$0f8905e0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000101c239cc$60f86b80$66bc82ac@ticostat.com> Some people have made careers from painting helmets. Jerry Bernardo (ESPN2) started off painting helmets for local pros, then guys like McGrath started wearing his lids. He turned into a "personality" with connections in the SX/MX world... Troy Lee is a real person that was a helmet painter? --jon -----Original Message----- From: Patti Rodgers >Is there any truth to the manufacturer's statements that paint/adhesive seeps into the impact-absorbing layer and dissolves it? ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 10:18:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72EI9Z4027839; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:18:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72EI9gl027834; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:18:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa/pE/3HZ9btfmX7noqGTpfzO/b929BfH9EyyxRO0Y4hhymgx626w/XRoCeFpcnsD8= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: , Subject: RE: im not a man! Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:18:39 -0400 Message-ID: <005c01c23a2f$8030a220$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <174.c4be8f1.2a7b5a83@aol.com> RU nekkid? > jtb offers: > im not a man! sigh..... if pictures are needed as proof --- email me and ill > send you a link to my snapfish.com photos :) Also, be sure to check out www.fat-bald-with-acne.com for really hot pix. Send me a check for $19.95, and I'll get you access to the VIP section, with live streaming video from my bedroom *and* my shower! --jon, with a pimple on my dimple ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 10:18:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72EIGZ4027876; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:18:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72EIGrN027870; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:18:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 2 Aug 2002 14:18:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20020802141815.21268.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Globe article on MSF class X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) from the Boston Globe, via the FFX Journal: http://www.jrnl.com/cfdocs/new/ffx/story.cfm?paper=ffx§ion=fp&snumber=31Rider safety comes first in motorcycle class By BILL GRIFFITH The Boston Globe It was a typical first day of class. Instructor Bob Lee went around the circle of desks, asking each of the 40 about their motivation for choosing to take this particular course. The replies were interesting. ``I want to surprise my boyfriend.'' ``I have a new Harley in my driveway, but I promised myself I wouldn't ride it until I took this course.'' ``I rode years ago and want to get back into it.'' All reasons Lee has heard before as he began our five consecutive hours of motorcycle instruction with Ironstone Ventures of Acton. Our ``Basic Rider Course'' was designed by the Motorcycle Safety Foundation of Irvine, Calif., and is approved by the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles. The one answer Lee didn't want to hear, however, was ``Because I want my motorcycle operator's license.'' Indeed, several members of the class have had their licenses for years and just want to refresh their skills. And, yes, the course Lee is about to teach is all about learning to ride a motorcycle safely. But, in truth, his students' motivation for signing up clearly is because successful graduates of this program do get their motorcycle licenses without taking additional RMV tests. As my turn approached, I wondered what to say. The truth? Certainly. But why had I signed up? Because I decided to take the course on a whim, seeing a brochure in the Melrose branch of the RMV while a friend got his license renewed? Because I was frustrated by a knee that wouldn't let me run anymore, that was so unpredictable that I couldn't even ride a stationary bike some days? Because I thought it would be a good idea to learn to ride the correct way so I could ride my daughter and son-in-law's motorscooters the next time we visit them in Italy? All were true. I offered number three to the group, eliciting a snicker or two, but everyone was more concerned about what was coming from Lee - a scheduled five hours of classroom instruction on a rainy Sunday afternoon in May as part of the course. Our five-hour class stretched an extra half-hour before we finished the exam that came at the conclusion of the four separate units of instruction. Lee might be surprised that, two months later, I remember many of the points he hammered home: On being apprehensive about riding: ``Successful riding is 10 percent physical, 90 percent mental.'' (That would be put to the test by we beginners in coming days during the all-day riding portion of the course). ``A careful automobile driver makes for a careful motorcyclist.'' ``The more I teach, the more I reinforce my own good habits, and the better rider I become.'' ``Riding is all about risk management ... and lack of attentiveness is the cardinal sin.'' On the importance of protective clothing (while talking of seeing people riding in T-shirts, cutoffs and sandals): ``You don't know what pain is until you fall without wearing good stuff.'' On dressing for the elements: ``Bikers are Weather Channel groupies.'' ``This is a group class. You have to keep up or be dismissed.'' (Yes, it happens.) On using your head: ``The bike goes where you're looking. Look down, you fall down. If you want to turn the bike, turn your head to watch where you want to go.'' On wearing black: ``Not safe. Visible is good. That's one reason so many new motorcycles are painted bright colors and why so much of the new riding gear is bright. Wear a colored helmet and bright jacket.'' On wearing helmets: ``The anti-helmet lobby will tell you they restrict your hearing. I'll tell you that you can hear better with a helmet on and wearing earplugs than you can without a helmet. As for vision: Try riding at 65 miles per hour without a helmet and visor, and see what you can see with your eyes watering.'' On where to ride on the highway. ``In the middle of the lane? Wrong. That's where all the grease and oil drips from other vehicles. Ride to the left or right side of the lane. And don't be afraid to move back and forth to make sure operators in front and behind you know you're there. Avoid other drivers' blind spots.'' So what about the actual riding, you ask? Our class got to do that during the next two days. One group of 20 rode Monday, the other on Tuesday. Monday, it poured incessantly. As I looked out the window at work, I wondered how my classmates were faring. At 6:30 Tuesday morning, when we were trying on helmets in a parking lot, I knew. They'd had a miserable day. Everything - helmets and motorcycles - were still soaked. But the small - 175 and 250cc - Honda and Suzuki bikes the course uses fired right up. On this day, our riding instructors are John Rossi and Ed O'Neil. But the message is the same. Safety. Understand what you're going to do next. Know how to do it. Then execute the maneuver. First we learn to walk the bikes and familiarize ourselves with the controls. But soon, very soon, we're riding, learning to shift, brake and accelerate through corners. ``Knees against the gas tank. Heads up. Look where you're turning,'' is Rossi's constant reminder. In the afternoon we're practicing figure eights, swerving, panic stops, downshifting and - seemingly endlessly - accelerating properly through curves. Little do we know it's all geared for the dreaded end-of-the-day test. At 4 p.m., when most of us just want to curl up for a nap, Rossi and O'Neil run us through the four-stage driver's test. Pass it, and you get your license; fail, and you can come back for a small fee and get another afternoon's practice and a re-test. ``Our test is tougher than the Registry's'' Rossi said. Course founder Joe Proia said about 85 percent of students pass the test on the first try. Our group falls short of that by a student or two, but those riders are offered a refresher class and re-test later in the week. Afterward, O'Neil asks several of us: ``So, do you think you're ready for the highways now?'' We look at each other and shake our heads in the negative. Even though my license now says I'm qualified to ride on the streets, the thought of heading out into traffic, here or in Italy, still is daunting. Not quite yet. But maybe soon. All of us answer with a version of ``We need to keep practicing.'' O'Neil smiles. It seems we may have absorbed the most important lesson of all. That we've taken one step. A big one, but there's more to learn and experience is vital. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 10:23:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72ENhZ4028193; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:23:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72ENc2t028174; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:23:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: cute? Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:23:27 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664090D4@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: cute? Thread-Index: AcI6J8b2V6t0ArRQRS+VpF2E27PPvgABL6zA From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g72ENbZ4028162 Allow me to chime in on this and introduce myself in the process. I'm a complete newbie to motorcycling. Since the beginning of the year, I got licensed, took the MSF class, and bought some gear (leather everything, boots, and gloves--I still need a helmet!) but I remain bikeless :( I'm still looking... I used to live in NE PA, in Hazleton. I don't really know anyone who went to IUP, but I have to say that, pound for pound, IUP is an overwhelming winner when it comes to sending me the most college promotional materials :) In the end, I choose GWU, graduated about a year ago, and stayed in this area. Once I buy a bike and get some basic riding skills under my belt, I will surely come out for a ride or two. For now, follwing the discussion on Jenn's gender will have to do... hehehe... Witold www.witold.org -----Original Message----- From: Isaac Blanck [mailto:thelostshark@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 9:23 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cute? I know of it. Having lived in Pittsburgh for 9 years, and in PA for 24 years, I knew a bunch of people who went to IUP (the *real* Indiana University, as they'd say ... jib --- Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > >JTB confessed - > >... > > yay... i love it when people call me jtb :) > although i must confess its not > usually because people are calling me jennthebiker! > my last name begins with > a b. > > >okok.. im originally from western pa.. they forgot > to teach us things > >like > >spelling (and capitalization and punctuation!) > > >[Dave] It's a big Commonwealth, where more > specifically? > > anyone ever hear of a small town called indiana, pa? > its about an hour and a > half northest of pittsburgh. some people know of it > because of the > university -- indiana university of pennsylvania. > some people know of it > because its jimmy stewarts birthplace. other people > know of it because its > the christmas tree capital of the world. anyone > know of it? and why in the > world do you?? > > >> --jon > >> I need more coffee. I feel grumpy. > >> > > >sure hope he got some! > > >[Dave] Uhh... You DO mean coffee... Right? This > *IS* a family > >list... > > hey now! .... of course i meant coffee --- what else > were you possibly > thinking? *innocentlook* > > jtb :) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 10:45:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72EjdZ4028496; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:45:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72Ejc5x028491; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:45:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYgEBgFzXBI2BHHf3ybMtgf36zp8bw/8sS/wCE2/KzCcgVvjN5xP8nI52pyYXe2vQY= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: , Subject: dc-singles chat Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:46:08 -0400 Message-ID: <006501c23a33$56c1a6b0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1a2.639dcae.2a7b1193@aol.com> jtb, here's my info and a pic: A=age: 35 S=sex: twice a day, but solo flights only L=location: Arlington (Mom's basement apartment) H=hair: a full head of brown hair (is now gone). somehow replaced by a few gray hairs, combed over, of course E=eyes: a filmy yellow surrounding an remarkably unremarkable brown H=height: 5' 2" W=weight: 289....kg B=bike: Honda Cub Y=years riding: 3, including 2 years and 11 months on the back of my Mom's bike C=crashes: 2 hard drives, one methamphetamine L=actual location: Ok, she doesn't let me have the whole apartment. I share it with Guano, a rather nice gentleman who pays her rent and keeps the place up. my pic: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/traficant1.html --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 10:55:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72Et3Z4028739; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:55:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72Et13I028733; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:55:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020802105520.00d37b08@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:56:14 -0400 To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: cute? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:31 PM 8/1/2002 -0400, Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: >anyone ever hear of a small town called indiana, pa? its about an hour and a >half northest of pittsburgh. some people know of it because of the >university -- indiana university of pennsylvania. some people know of it >because its jimmy stewarts birthplace. other people know of it because its >the christmas tree capital of the world. anyone know of it? and why in the >world do you?? If you drank enough Iron City in your college days, you know *all* the towns north of Pittsburgh. Burp. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 10:56:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72EurZ4028912; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:56:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72EursH028907; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:56:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020802105726.00d13550@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:58:12 -0400 To: "dccycles" From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: im not a man! and dan's response! In-Reply-To: References: <168.11800777.2a7b5bf1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:57 PM 8/1/2002 -0400, Ricardo Pontes wrote: >I must have proof. Like Dan said, nude pics are a MUST. How else are we to >know. We did the same thing for Tom and Chuck. Of course list membership dropped by over 75% as a result... -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 10:56:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72EuwZ4028949; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:56:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72EuvJo028943; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:56:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" , Subject: RE: cute? Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:49:16 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664090D4@rnc1.rnchq.org> No bike, rules? Blake has a bike for sale, inexpensive too. Will put his email below so you can find him. Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S For Sale: 1978 Yamaha XS650 Simply don)B’t have time for the bike anymore. Bought a few years back as a basket case (literally) and was built back up as a project. Engine runs strong, literally just needs a set of coils and ready to go. New battery this year, carbs cleaned and synched last month, timing set a few weeks ago, new advancer weight springs, new custom hand made wiring harness made for this bike (all soldered, as few connectors as possible-uses automotive coils). Great beginner bike for learning the roads on, taking those first spills, or even for the basis for a chopper project. Also included is an extra engine and various parts incase needed, but these bikes were built to last. Has title (from previous owner - never changed over). Bike Must Go before Aug 15. Asking Price $500 or make me an offer. This thing must go quick. Willing to transport in Northern VA area for $20. Blake Stoddard Dale City, VA (703) 878-2532 -----Original Message----- From: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services [mailto:Witold@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:23 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cute? Allow me to chime in on this and introduce myself in the process. I'm a complete newbie to motorcycling. Since the beginning of the year, I got licensed, took the MSF class, and bought some gear (leather everything, boots, and gloves--I still need a helmet!) but I remain bikeless :( I'm still looking... I used to live in NE PA, in Hazleton. I don't really know anyone who went to IUP, but I have to say that, pound for pound, IUP is an overwhelming winner when it comes to sending me the most college promotional materials :) In the end, I choose GWU, graduated about a year ago, and stayed in this area. Once I buy a bike and get some basic riding skills under my belt, I will surely come out for a ride or two. For now, follwing the discussion on Jenn's gender will have to do... hehehe... Witold www.witold.org -----Original Message----- From: Isaac Blanck [mailto:thelostshark@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 9:23 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cute? I know of it. Having lived in Pittsburgh for 9 years, and in PA for 24 years, I knew a bunch of people who went to IUP (the *real* Indiana University, as they'd say ... jib --- Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > >JTB confessed - > >... > > yay... i love it when people call me jtb :) > although i must confess its not > usually because people are calling me jennthebiker! > my last name begins with > a b. > > >okok.. im originally from western pa.. they forgot > to teach us things > >like > >spelling (and capitalization and punctuation!) > > >[Dave] It's a big Commonwealth, where more > specifically? > > anyone ever hear of a small town called indiana, pa? > its about an hour and a > half northest of pittsburgh. some people know of it > because of the > university -- indiana university of pennsylvania. > some people know of it > because its jimmy stewarts birthplace. other people > know of it because its > the christmas tree capital of the world. anyone > know of it? and why in the > world do you?? > > >> --jon > >> I need more coffee. I feel grumpy. > >> > > >sure hope he got some! > > >[Dave] Uhh... You DO mean coffee... Right? This > *IS* a family > >list... > > hey now! .... of course i meant coffee --- what else > were you possibly > thinking? *innocentlook* > > jtb :) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 11:09:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72F9BZ4029323; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:09:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72F9Avr029316; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:09:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020802110146.00d75670@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 11:10:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) In-Reply-To: <0208020634103Y.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: <1a2.639dcae.2a7b1193@aol.com> <1a2.639dcae.2a7b1193@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:34 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, Carl Schelin wrote: >Ok, let's see what I can do here. > >Honorific=Evil Overlord >Age=Older than my kids (45) >Ride=FXSTI (Softail) >Location=NASA >Early Bird=Yes (up at 4am) >Years riding=31 >Day job="Chief" Engineer >Average commute=35 minutes >Vision=Week right eye, no glasses >Inventive=A little >Daughters=Christina (23; bday in 9 days), Samantha (19) >Step-daughter=Jasmine (24) >Own=Yes >Name=Carl Carl, you forgot to fill in the other required fields: S=State of residence? U=Underwear under leathers? C=Caliber of primary weapon? K=Kickstand style (claw, foot, snake, other)? S=Synth or dino? 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 11:59:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72FxCZ4029946; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:59:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72FxB2G029937; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:59:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <74.20ba9cad.2a7c0645@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:59:01 EDT Subject: Re: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/1/2002 10:28:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Sheesh, 31 is nowhere near older than dirt. My son is older than you are! Werent no dirt when I was young, had to beat rocks together to make me some, just so I could ride my dirt bike. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 12:13:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72GDVZ4030252; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:13:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72GDVSS030247; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:13:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <183.c05c37f.2a7c09a0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:13:20 EDT Subject: Re: Dealers for Suzuki Service? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/2/2002 6:14:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > I can see that for the majority of the service checks but the first ( > warranty > check) and the major humps (10,000 miles) I'll be taking mine to the dealer. The manufacturer _cannot_ by law, require you to go to any "official" location to have required service work done. Your owners manual lists what needs to be done, if you can do it, do it, if not you can have it done anywhere. Keep all receipts for oil etc. as proof you did the work. That said there can be advantages to going to a dealer, they like people who spend money there So in a marginal warranty claim they may be more willing to help you out. But for "change the oil and make sure nothing is falling off" services you should be able to do it yourself. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 12:18:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72GIGZ4030447; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:18:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72GIGpi030441; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:18:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00dc01c23a40$e0da0e20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <20020802141815.21268.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Subject: Re: Globe article on MSF class Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:17:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Here's one thing I can't agree with. The "careful" drivers are the ones driving 50 in the fast lane. I'd rather have "skillful" drivers on the road. Too many people think they can get away with being low skill drivers (or riders) as long as they compensate by being "careful." Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: > from the Boston Globe, via the FFX Journal: ... > > ``A careful automobile driver makes for a careful motorcyclist.'' > ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 12:18:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72GIJZ4030485; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:18:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72GIJr3030478; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:18:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00dd01c23a40$e1bbe2a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020802135000.61120.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: im not a man! and dan's response! Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:18:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Clawing out my mind's eye..... Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" > > the one of me spanking chuck's bare bottom with the sporty > tassles as he's bent over the tire changer is friggin > hilarious.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 12:18:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72GIoZ4030521; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:18:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72GInFP030514; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:18:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:18:37 EDT Subject: Re: cute? CUTE? Hell no they aint cute! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/2/2002 7:16:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: > The mechanic actually stopped what he was doing and even installed the tube > for me, a lazy dirt rider's dream. Indeed! I for one HATE rim locks, I hate em, I hate em, I hate em. Rare on street bikes (more so since tubeless tires) but damn near required on dirt bikes. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Has rim locks!!!!!!! Did I say I HATE THEM! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 12:35:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72GZNZ4031138; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:35:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72GZNMD031133; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:35:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Scott R. Russell" , "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" , Subject: Re: cute? Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:33:54 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02080212335446.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Better hurry, I'm stopping by this afternoon :-) Carl On Friday 02 August 2002 10:49, Scott R. Russell wrote: > No bike, rules? Blake has a bike for sale, inexpensive too. Will put his > email below so you can find him. > > Scott Russell > 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S > > For Sale: > -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 12:38:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72GcqZ4031327; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:38:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72Gcqqa031320; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:38:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <125.1448e8e5.2a7c0f90@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:38:40 EDT Subject: Re: Globe article on MSF class To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/2/2002 12:18:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > Here's one thing I can't agree with. > > The "careful" drivers are the ones driving 50 in the fast lane The article did not say that. Those bozos are NOT safe drivers. > I'd rather > have "skillful" drivers on the road. Damn straight! > Too many people think they can get away with being low skill drivers (or > riders) as long as they compensate by being "careful." Not just yes, but HELL YES. What MSFs new curriculum says is that safe car drivers (as defined by accident free) _tend_ to have fewer mishaps on bikes. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 12:40:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72Ge9Z4031496; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:40:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72Ge8dF031489; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:40:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dealers for Suzuki Service? Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:38:57 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <183.c05c37f.2a7c09a0@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <183.c05c37f.2a7c09a0@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02080212385747.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 02 August 2002 12:13, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/2/2002 6:14:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > I can see that for the majority of the service checks but the first ( > > warranty > > check) and the major humps (10,000 miles) I'll be taking mine to the > > dealer. > > The manufacturer _cannot_ by law, require you to go to any "official" > location to have required service work done. Sorry, I meant that I took it in so they could make sure everything was ok after the breakin. I had a clamp fail on the heat shield on my last one. Granted, they would have had to replace it anyway, it's just a sanity check. I don't have enough experience to check the bearings on the steering column or do the valves. At least, not yet :-) > Your owners manual lists what > needs to be done, if you can do it, do it, if not you can have it done > anywhere. Keep all receipts for oil etc. as proof you did the work. > That said there can be advantages to going to a dealer, they like people > who spend money there So in a marginal warranty claim they may be more > willing to help you out. But for "change the oil and make sure nothing is > falling off" services you should be able to do it yourself. > I agree with you mainly. And while I can and do the rest of the work, I'd still rather do a dealer check for the first one and the major milestones. Personal preferences based on my level of wrenching experience. YMMV, HAND. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 12:49:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72Gn2Z4031675; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:49:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72Gn2oo031671; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:49:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <939a4e3e5ae945ce85d57f45da9a8481.kirk@vei.net> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cute? CUTE? Hell no they aint cute! Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:49:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g72Gn1Z4031659 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/2/2002 7:16:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kirk@XXXXXX > writes: > > The mechanic actually stopped what he was doing and even installed the tube > > for me, a lazy dirt rider's dream. > > Indeed! I for one HATE rim locks, I hate em, I hate em, I hate em. > Rare on street bikes (more so since tubeless tires) but damn near required on > dirt bikes. I spent a ridiculous amount of time getting a new tire on the rear of the bike once (like 30-40 minutes - toughest knobby I've ever put on, so bad my conscious mind has blocked out the model). I stand up, glad the ordeal is finally over and then ask myself, "why is the rimlock sitting there, on the floor?" I don't even know why I took it all the way off, one of those mindless "in the zone" sorts of the things (but the wrong zone). On the plus side the bead was loosened up so it wasn't such a bear to get the rimlock in there (well, no more than normal anyway). Amazing that the high level enduro/cc/hs types can change a tube in under 5 minutes - rimlocks and all. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 12:52:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72GqAZ4031861; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:52:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72GqAFs031855; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:52:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <015101c23a45$9bdcf9e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <125.1448e8e5.2a7c0f90@aol.com> Subject: Re: Globe article on MSF class Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:55:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: > In a message dated 8/2/2002 12:18:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > > > Here's one thing I can't agree with. > > > > The "careful" drivers are the ones driving 50 in the fast lane > > The article did not say that. Those bozos are NOT safe drivers. > Point well taken. I should have said the people who *think* they're "careful" are the ones doing 50 in the fast lane. We now to return to DC-Cycles Tom and Chuck's SM club and singles chat room. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 13:05:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72H5cZ4032105; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:05:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72H5bpE032097; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:05:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbkU1VDewGyxY5nwDc14EizF9eYmwF5PW5bU+SK6lgHx4XoBFLAwy/YKGBUQtTQ4iE= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: knobbies & skinned knuckles Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:06:07 -0400 Message-ID: <007401c23a46$e4fa5d10$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <939a4e3e5ae945ce85d57f45da9a8481.kirk@vei.net> And those ISDE freaks...with Mousse inserts, too. they all suck. f-ers. I used to set a new knobbie in the sun, with my (now ex-) wife's blow dryer w/extension cord stuck inside...blowing hot air round and round. Get that bad boy all het up and pliable. Then I'd proceed to skin knuckles and pinch tubes for hours at a time. What fun! I've still got my mondo 14" tire irons...I pull them out and hammer on my fingers once in awhile to bring back fond old memories. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > Amazing that the high level enduro/cc/hs types can change a tube in under 5 minutes - rimlocks and all. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 13:18:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72HIHZ4032307; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:18:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72HIG2m032302; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:18:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: knobbies & skinned knuckles Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:18:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g72HIFZ4032290 Jon Strang wrote: > And those ISDE freaks...with Mousse inserts, too. > they all suck. f-ers. Agreed! And those inserts are scary and, apparently single use (they'll replace them multiple times during a six day). > I used to set a new knobbie in the sun, with my (now ex-) wife's blow dryer > w/extension cord stuck inside...blowing hot air round and round. Get that > bad boy all het up and pliable. Heat gun here... :) > I've still got my mondo 14" tire irons...I pull them out and hammer on my > fingers once in awhile to bring back fond old memories. Makes you stop laughing at the guys who bring their dirt bikes in to have the shop change the tires, don't it? :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 13:46:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72HkAZ4000340; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:46:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72HkAk4000334; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:46:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4AC54D.3000107@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 13:45:49 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) References: <245B5C45.52A62482.001912B6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: > A=age None of your damn business > S=sex Yes. As often as possible. > L=location Wherever the mood strikes me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 13:46:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72HkGZ4000374; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:46:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72HkGae000369; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:46:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [151.196.168.14] From: "Jay Block" To: Bob@XXXXXX, md.abate@XXXXXX, AIMLawyers@XXXXXX, aimncom@XXXXXX, Gypsylthr@XXXXXX, bbasel@XXXXXX, bettyboopbear@XXXXXX, bettyhdstore@XXXXXX, bikerdan@XXXXXX, bob@XXXXXX, bussep@XXXXXX, cacollin@XXXXXX, cmpurrin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dick@XXXXXX, djake@XXXXXX, imwolfie69@XXXXXX, Jumpstart301@XXXXXX, LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX, maggireid@XXXXXX, manck@XXXXXX, MGVLAHOS@XXXXXX, michellecr@XXXXXX, m-riders@XXXXXX, cnorth@XXXXXX, NCOMBish@XXXXXX, philip.l.kraft@XXXXXX, pjnlinda@XXXXXX, prez95ocmd@XXXXXX, ci37290@XXXXXX, wglass@XXXXXX, rdix@XXXXXX, rebel_rider69@XXXXXX, squid126@XXXXXX, suljustdad@XXXXXX, toni2000r@XXXXXX, wisennock@XXXXXX, wmcrum@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Okay, got it this time. Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 13:46:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2002 17:46:08.0182 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B633560:01C23A4C] Hey Bob, No flames. You are a friend. Believe me, when I need flames, I can get them just by breathing. Ride safe(ly). Jay From: "Bob Henig" Reply-To: To: "'Jay Block'" ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Subject: RE: Okay, got it this time. Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:38:59 -0400 Sorry folks, but I've got to jump on this band wagon. It should come as no surprise to anyone that some of these "beanie" or "brain bucket" style helmets don't meet FED REGS. IMHO it's a total surprise that any of them meet any requirements for safety at all. I would not be posting this message had I not been wearing a real full face helmet 21 years ago this November 13th (Friday in case you're inquisitive). IMNSHO if you're going to ride you should dress like it as apposed to looking like you're heading to the beach. All types of protective gear prevents serious, or more serious injuries in any kind of accident. Air bags and seat belts saved my wife and I a few years ago in a accident like the one Dick and Lenore just survived, the only difference is that we collided with an entire mountain. :-D No flames please, it's just an opinion. Bob Henig Owner, Rider, Enthusiast Bob's BMW Motorcycles Columbia, Maryland Ride for Kids Task Force Leader 10720 Guilford Rd. Columbia-Jessup MD 20794-9385 301-497-8949 x218 bob@XXXXXX www.bobsbmw.com -----Original Message----- From: Jay Block [mailto:jayblockllc@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 7:54 AM To: md.abate@XXXXXX; AIMLawyers@XXXXXX; aimncom@XXXXXX; Gypsylthr@XXXXXX; bbasel@XXXXXX; bettyboopbear@XXXXXX; bettyhdstore@XXXXXX; bikerdan@XXXXXX; bob@XXXXXX; bussep@XXXXXX; cacollin@XXXXXX; cmpurrin@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; dick@XXXXXX; djake@XXXXXX; imwolfie69@XXXXXX; Jumpstart301@XXXXXX; LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX; maggireid@XXXXXX; manck@XXXXXX; MGVLAHOS@XXXXXX; michellecr@XXXXXX; m-riders@XXXXXX; cnorth@XXXXXX; NCOMBish@XXXXXX; philip.l.kraft@XXXXXX; pjnlinda@XXXXXX; prez95ocmd@XXXXXX; ci37290@XXXXXX; wglass@XXXXXX; rdix@XXXXXX; rebel_rider69@XXXXXX; squid126@XXXXXX; suljustdad@XXXXXX; toni2000r@XXXXXX; wisennock@XXXXXX; wmcrum@XXXXXX Subject: Okay, got it this time. NexLT Sports Products 121 Aviation Way, Watsonville, Ca. 95076 (888) FOR-NexL . (831) 786-1800 fax -1804 . www.nexlsports.com Dear Customer, March 27 2002 This notice is sent to you in accordance with the requirements of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act. NexL Sports Products has determined that all sizes of its NXT "Beanie" helmets, NEXL 01, Part Nos., MB021, MB031, and MB041 manufactured prior to February 28, 2002, fail to comply with Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) No. 218, "Motorcycle Helmets." REASON FOR THIS RECALL These helmets have areas in the shell which could allow a sharp object to penetrate to the users head, and the plastic loop at the right strap could break under high loading. In the event of a crash, serious head injury or death could occur from penetration of the helmet or excessive force and/or, should the plastic loop of the chinstrap break, the wearer would be unprotected. Also, under FMVSS 218, these helmets are required to have a label with a model number and a warning to the user, "Make No Modifications." WHAT WE WILL DO NexL Sports Products will rework all NXT helmets at our facility in Watsonville, CA. We will disassemble each helmet and add a lamination within the outer shell to prevent penetration and remove the plastic loop and loop the chinstrap around the ear strap and secure it with reinforced stitching. Also, a label will be affixed to your helmet which will contain a model number and a warning to not make modifications to the helmet. This procedure will be performed at no charge and a pre-paid UPS label will be sent to you so you can return your helmet to us. WHAT YOU SHOULD DO Please contact us as soon as possible to arrange for us to rework your helmet. The labor time necessary to perform these corrections is approximately 15 minutes. However, it may take a couple of days to receive, repair, and return your helmet if you have to ship it to us. 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Customer Service NexLT Sports Products. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 13:54:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72HshZ4000680; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:54:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72HshaA000674; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:54:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4AC759.1020003@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 13:54:33 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Ricardo Pontes , dccycles , Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Subject: Re: im not a man! and dan's response! References: <20020802135000.61120.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That and the one of me using a micrometer and magnifying glass to measure Tom's ... well ... uh ... Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > >> >>I must have proof. Like Dan said, nude pics are a MUST. >>How else are we to >>know. We did the same thing for Tom and Chuck. >> > > the one of me spanking chuck's bare bottom with the sporty > tassles as he's bent over the tire changer is friggin > hilarious.... > > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 13:57:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72HvRZ4000864; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:57:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72HvRGe000860; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:57:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4AC7FF.50102@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 13:57:19 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: dan , Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) References: <20020802101216.76933.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fortunately, some of us (that's you and me, TG) are ABOVE average. Tom Gimer wrote: > --- dan wrote: > >>Wow, in one week this list has gone from dc-cycles to the >>jenn fan list. >>Jenn, you may have set record for hijacking a list serve. >> Not that I >>mind, its entertaining. >> > > not surprising. according to a recent dcc survey, despite > their big egos and macho machines, the average motorcyclist > last got laid in april, 1999. > > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 14:06:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72I6bZ4001098; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:06:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72I6a5c001090; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:06:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZHlLTKMFwa2JdbqYOBKSoyt2kdMWrBh00Vf0dr6JerCdHR2lhwDydwnhHN8xXTkKk= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:07:03 -0400 Message-ID: <008601c23a4f$6859acd0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D4AC7FF.50102@ix.netcom.com> Yeah, Chuck, but I think he meant by a *woman*. That's female AND human. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck and Karen Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Fortunately, some of us (that's you and me, TG) are ABOVE average. Tom Gimer wrote: > --- dan wrote: > >>Wow, in one week this list has gone from dc-cycles to the >>jenn fan list. >>Jenn, you may have set record for hijacking a list serve. >> Not that I >>mind, its entertaining. >> > > not surprising. according to a recent dcc survey, despite > their big egos and macho machines, the average motorcyclist > last got laid in april, 1999. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 14:09:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72I9OZ4001267; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:09:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72I9O2w001263; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:09:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [66.65.117.15] From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: unbelievable Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 19:08:17 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2002 18:08:17.0355 (UTC) FILETIME=[93A2E9B0:01C23A4F] I decided to mount hte battery backwords today, and now the bike won't start up. The fuel injection lamp goes on and stays that way without the fuel injection pump being connected. Can yo believe that in Manhattan AMA can't find towing service for me? next time i am going to be stranded in calcutta. pierfrancesco 98vfr _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 14:15:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72IFNZ4001472; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:15:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72IFMXX001466; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:15:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4ACC28.3020902@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 14:15:04 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pierre C CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: unbelievable References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pierre, I am sort of catching up in the middle of this thread (and your battery/electrical woes). I will bet dollars to doughnuts that your problem is your regulator/rectifier. Somewhat "common" on VFRs. I had one go bad on my FZR. Screws up your charging and whole electrical system. Battery will drain itself dry to the point of being fried and won't re-charge. You're also likely to blow out all sorts of bulbs. Not catastrophic. At least on my FZR, the regulator/rectifier is pretty much a plug-n-play item. I would think it would be similar for your VFR. Seems likely that you need to replace the regulator/rectifier and probably install a new battery. Not too difficult (and shouldn't be too expensive either). Hope this helps. Chuck Pierre C wrote: > I decided to mount hte battery backwords today, and now the bike won't > start up. The fuel injection lamp goes on and stays that way without > the fuel injection pump being connected. > > Can yo believe that in Manhattan AMA can't find towing service for me? > next time i am going to be stranded in calcutta. > pierfrancesco > 98vfr > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 14:16:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72IGLZ4001645; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:16:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72IGKik001634; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:16:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4ACC6F.1050904@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 14:16:15 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jmstrang@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) References: <008601c23a4f$6859acd0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So me and Tom and the tire changer doesn't count then??? No goats either??? Damn. Jon Strang wrote: > Yeah, Chuck, but I think he meant by a *woman*. > > That's female AND human. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 14:21:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72ILQZ4001836; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:21:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72ILP4O001829; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:21:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb2EXXu4B38zhnWIN0wvaoohPJdjaePPDhts7NEiaJzgAC9nVkpIwvY9uzwgLH7WEU= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Pierre C'" , Subject: RE: unbelievable Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:21:55 -0400 Message-ID: <008b01c23a51$7c0d3ec0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Pierre, I'm confused. Did you say that you hooked the positive cable to the negative terminal and the negative cable to the positive terminal of the battery? That would not be a good thing on any vehicle I've owned. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Pierre C [mailto:piffiffi@XXXXXX] I decided to mount hte battery backwords today, and now the bike won't start up. The fuel injection lamp goes on and stays that way without the fuel injection pump being connected. Can yo believe that in Manhattan AMA can't find towing service for me? next time i am going to be stranded in calcutta. pierfrancesco 98vfr _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 14:22:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72IMRZ4001994; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:22:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72IMR3n001989; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:22:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4ACDDA.7060809@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 14:22:18 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: im not a man! and dan's response! References: <168.11800777.2a7b5bf1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jenn, You can get your chance to prove to everyone that you're not a man by showing up in person to the next Bike Night (I'm sure all the single guys will be lining up for signed pics). Still working with Mark Kitchell to set it up. It'll be sometime this month (probably later) on a Sunday evening at CarPool in Arlington, VA. As soon as we have everything nailed down, all the info will be on the website http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. Chuck Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Jenn writes: > im not a man! sigh..... if pictures are needed as proof --- email me and ill > > send you a link to my snapfish.com photos :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 14:23:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72INlZ4002267; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:23:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72INkTc002260; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:23:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020802182344.23760.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:23:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: unbelievable To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, Pierre C Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3D4ACC28.3020902@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sounds like to me he has already done that from yesterday's post and now if he has indeed hooked the positive and negative backwards might have caused some serious damage to other parts of the electical system including the fuel injection. Glenn --- Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: > Pierre, > > I am sort of catching up in the middle of this > thread (and your > battery/electrical woes). I will bet dollars to > doughnuts that your > problem is your regulator/rectifier. Somewhat > "common" on VFRs. I had > one go bad on my FZR. Screws up your charging and > whole electrical > system. Battery will drain itself dry to the point > of being fried and > won't re-charge. You're also likely to blow out all > sorts of bulbs. > Not catastrophic. At least on my FZR, the > regulator/rectifier is pretty > much a plug-n-play item. I would think it would be > similar for your > VFR. Seems likely that you need to replace the > regulator/rectifier and > probably install a new battery. Not too difficult > (and shouldn't be too > expensive either). Hope this helps. > > Chuck > > Pierre C wrote: > > > I decided to mount hte battery backwords today, > and now the bike won't > > start up. The fuel injection lamp goes on and > stays that way without > > the fuel injection pump being connected. > > > > Can yo believe that in Manhattan AMA can't find > towing service for me? > > next time i am going to be stranded in calcutta. > > pierfrancesco > > 98vfr > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN > Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 14:33:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72IXbZ4002658; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:33:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72IXb1d002653; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:33:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4AD076.9050505@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 14:33:26 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn Dysart CC: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: unbelievable References: <20020802182344.23760.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's what happens when you jump into the middle of a thread. No idea what transpired before. Not sure what Pierre meant by mounting his battery "backwards." Don't know if he just means how it's oriented in the battery compartment or if he wired it "backwards", i.e., negative to positive and positive to negative. That would definitely be bad. But if he's got it wired backwards, none of his electrics (including warning lights) should come on. Need more details. Just sounds too weird. Electrical gremlins are the worst. Glenn Dysart wrote: > Sounds like to me he has already done that from > yesterday's post and now if he has indeed hooked the > positive and negative backwards might have caused some > serious damage to other parts of the electical system > including the fuel injection. > > Glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 14:41:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72IfdZ4002980; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:41:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72IfZoO002968; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:41:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [66.65.117.15] From: "Pierre C" To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: unbelievable Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 19:40:28 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2002 18:40:29.0053 (UTC) FILETIME=[1304A2D0:01C23A54] Sorry for my bad english. I mounted the battery with the negative pole attached to the postivie on my bike and vice versa. I turned up the keys: the lights won't turn on, but the clock and the dashboard lights will go on. As my bike is fuel injected, the light of the fuel injections turns on as well, but it doesn't turn off as it should. Basically the fuel injection is dead, or it won't get started anyway. the bike cranks up otherwise. Anyway, i was just wondering how many hours it takes to find towing in manhattan. Is this wyoming? >From: Chuck and Karen Pena >Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX >To: Glenn Dysart >CC: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: unbelievable >Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 14:33:26 -0400 > >That's what happens when you jump into the middle of a thread. No idea >what transpired before. Not sure what Pierre meant by mounting his battery >"backwards." Don't know if he just means how it's oriented in the battery >compartment or if he wired it "backwards", i.e., negative to positive and >positive to negative. That would definitely be bad. But if he's got it >wired backwards, none of his electrics (including warning lights) should >come on. Need more details. Just sounds too weird. Electrical gremlins >are the worst. > >Glenn Dysart wrote: > >>Sounds like to me he has already done that from >>yesterday's post and now if he has indeed hooked the >>positive and negative backwards might have caused some >>serious damage to other parts of the electical system >>including the fuel injection. >> >>Glenn _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 14:43:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72IhIZ4003242; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:43:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72IhHMf003236; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:43:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020802184315.15945.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:43:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: unbelievable To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3D4AD076.9050505@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yesterday he said that his regulator took a poop so I ass-u-me that he replaced it. And judging from his current e-mail I'm thinking he put the battery in the wrong way i.e. neg-pos & pos-neg, and when nothing lit up, flipped it back around and is now getting the various idiots lights on the panel. Glenn --- Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: > That's what happens when you jump into the middle of > a thread. No idea > what transpired before. Not sure what Pierre meant > by mounting his > battery "backwards." Don't know if he just means > how it's oriented in > the battery compartment or if he wired it > "backwards", i.e., negative to > positive and positive to negative. That would > definitely be bad. But > if he's got it wired backwards, none of his > electrics (including warning > lights) should come on. Need more details. Just > sounds too weird. > Electrical gremlins are the worst. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 14:45:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72IjTZ4003414; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:45:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72IjSll003409; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:45:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <49.21680084.2a7c2d3d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:45:17 EDT Subject: Re: unbelievable To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/2/2002 2:33:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > But > if he's got it wired backwards, none of his electrics (including warning > lights) should come on. Lights do not give a hoot which way the current flows, unfortunately that is not true of most of the other electrical shituff on a bike. Here is hoping for circuit breakers, and/or fuses blown. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 14:50:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72IopZ4003787; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:50:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72IopFE003782; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:50:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [66.65.117.15] From: "Pierre C" To: glenn_dysart@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: unbelievable Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 19:50:43 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2002 18:50:44.0089 (UTC) FILETIME=[819BAE90:01C23A55] Thanks for the replies. Sorry i was so unclear and confusing. I mounted the positive pole of my battery to the negative on my bike and viceversa. I realized this just because the fuel injection light didn't turn on. I remounted the battery in the correct way, and i see the my headlighs aren't turning on, and that's the only evident thing. The fuel injection light goes on, the bike cranks, but it won't start, because the FI light doesn't switch off. I don't know if this is clear. Basically you guys hopefully will take this as a lesson and never mount your battery thining about beautiful legs, the lack of a job, or other things. Just concentrate on that one easy task, and you won't find yourself waiting for 4 hours in MANHATTAN for tow service. My regulator in fact is fine. I tested the bike's voltage with a brand new regulator and the voltage was exactly the same. I am going to tow my bike to an exhorcist perhaps instead than a mechanic. >From: Glenn Dysart >To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX >CC: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: unbelievable >Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:43:15 -0700 (PDT) > >Yesterday he said that his regulator took a poop so I >ass-u-me that he replaced it. And judging from his >current e-mail I'm thinking he put the battery in the >wrong way i.e. neg-pos & pos-neg, and when nothing lit >up, flipped it back around and is now getting the >various idiots lights on the panel. > >Glenn > > >--- Chuck and Karen Pena >wrote: > > That's what happens when you jump into the middle of > > a thread. No idea > > what transpired before. Not sure what Pierre meant > > by mounting his > > battery "backwards." Don't know if he just means > > how it's oriented in > > the battery compartment or if he wired it > > "backwards", i.e., negative to > > positive and positive to negative. That would > > definitely be bad. But > > if he's got it wired backwards, none of his > > electrics (including warning > > lights) should come on. Need more details. Just > > sounds too weird. > > Electrical gremlins are the worst. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better >http://health.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 14:53:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72Ir5Z4004078; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:53:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72Ir5rD004070; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:53:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [66.65.117.15] From: "Pierre C" To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: unbelievable Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 19:52:58 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2002 18:52:59.0028 (UTC) FILETIME=[D209BD40:01C23A55] I am so sorry i wasn't clearer from the beginning, yes, negative cable on positive and viceversa. Fuses are fine, bike cranks, clock is on, everything works except headlights and fuel injection. The towing service is  >From: "Jon Strang" >Reply-To: >To: "'Pierre C'" , >Subject: RE: unbelievable >Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:21:55 -0400 > >Pierre, I'm confused. Did you say that you hooked the positive cable to >the >negative terminal and the negative cable to the positive terminal of the >battery? > >That would not be a good thing on any vehicle I've owned. > >--jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Pierre C [mailto:piffiffi@XXXXXX] > > >I decided to mount hte battery backwords today, and now the bike won't >start >up. The fuel injection lamp goes on and stays that way without the fuel >injection pump being connected. > >Can yo believe that in Manhattan AMA can't find towing service for me? next >time i am going to be stranded in calcutta. >pierfrancesco >98vfr > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 14:54:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72IsFZ4004378; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:54:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72IsFWl004372; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:54:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4AD54A.3030409@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 14:54:02 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pierre C CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: unbelievable References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pierre, 6 words ... May the force be with you. Pierre C wrote: > Thanks for the replies. Sorry i was so unclear and confusing. I > mounted the positive pole of my battery to the negative on my bike and > viceversa. I realized this just because the fuel injection light didn't > turn on. I remounted the battery in the correct way, and i see the my > headlighs aren't turning on, and that's the only evident thing. The > fuel injection light goes on, the bike cranks, but it won't start, > because the FI light doesn't switch off. I don't know if this is > clear. Basically you guys hopefully will take this as a lesson and > never mount your battery thining about beautiful legs, the lack of a > job, or other things. Just concentrate on that one easy task, and you > won't find yourself waiting for 4 hours in MANHATTAN for tow service. > > My regulator in fact is fine. I tested the bike's voltage with a brand > new regulator and the voltage was exactly the same. I am going to tow > my bike to an exhorcist perhaps instead than a mechanic. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 15:00:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72J0HZ4005042; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:00:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72J0HQc005037; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:00:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020802145810.00d6d088@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:01:40 -0400 To: dccycles From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: im not a man! and dan's response! In-Reply-To: <3D4AC759.1020003@ix.netcom.com> References: <20020802135000.61120.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:54 PM 8/2/2002 -0400, Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: >That and the one of me using a micrometer and magnifying glass to measure >Tom's ... well ... uh ... Given his vocation, "heart"? >Tom Gimer wrote: > >>the one of me spanking chuck's bare bottom with the sporty >>tassles as he's bent over the tire changer is friggin >>hilarious.... Ah, now I'm starting to understand what "pro bono" really means. 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 15:01:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72J1OZ4005362; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:01:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72J1OxG005355; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:01:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020802150204.00d6d788@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:02:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: who's who? (was Weekend ride (was im new!)) In-Reply-To: <3D4AC7FF.50102@ix.netcom.com> References: <20020802101216.76933.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:57 PM 8/2/2002 -0400, Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: >Fortunately, some of us (that's you and me, TG) are ABOVE average. That's funny -- you don't *look* Norwegian. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 15:06:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72J6XZ4005892; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:06:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72J6XC6005884; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:06:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: Han Park To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Summit Point Track Day Monday Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:06:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sorry if this comes up twice, but I've been having trouble posting messages. Is anyone going to the Champion Sports Track Day this coming Monday? I don't have my hitch and trailer set up yet and would like to have someone bring a cooler and gas can for me (the cooler being more important). han From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 15:06:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72J6jZ4006073; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:06:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72J6i6b006064; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:06:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYvXDC0cJw6RqrkkaJcG21DFjpSlz4BiJuia3MUewiMYRwc/Y1zaCSDOWwwYn2XCo8= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Pierre C'" , "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: unbelievable Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:07:14 -0400 Message-ID: <009d01c23a57$d0d7bb00$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Pierre, my condolences. Electrically connecting the battery backwards can cause an electrical nightmare. If you are lucky, you will have to replace fuses and/or reset circuit breakers. If you are unlucky, you are replacing electrical components. I'm hoping that there's a ckt breaker to reset on the FI and/or it's controlling cktry, and once reset your bike will run. As for the other gremlins (i.e. won't charge), I'm sure they've been angered. --jon ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 15:21:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72JLFZ4006911; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:21:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72JLFkd006906; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:21:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00f001c23a5a$6dab3680$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Pierre C" , "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: unbelievable Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:25:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 From: "Pierre C" ... > remounted the battery in the correct way, and i see the my headlighs aren't > turning on, and that's the only evident thing. The fuel injection light > goes on, the bike cranks, but it won't start, because the FI light doesn't > switch off. I don't know if this is clear. Basically you guys hopefully > will take this as a lesson and never mount your battery thining about > beautiful legs, the lack of a job, or other things. Just concentrate on > that one easy task, and you won't find yourself waiting for 4 hours in > MANHATTAN for tow service. > No doubt Pierre was distracted after reading this morning's spicy emails on DC-Cycles. Getting back to the matter at hand, it's a bit hard to diagnose via email, but that's never stopped me before. :) I'd take the negative strap off and then reattach it, allowing all the on-board idiot boxes, including the EFI module, to "reboot" and then try it again. I've come close to doing this too. For once I was glad Honda uses very short leads on the battery terminals. Another little tip, always attach the positive first and the negative last. That way you won't short out the battery should your wrench, wrench + wedding ring, etc., make contact with the frame while you're tightening the positive terminal. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 15:31:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72JVaZ4007353; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:31:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72JVa5p007349; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:31:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4ADE15.6080507@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:31:33 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: unbelievable References: <00f001c23a5a$6dab3680$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That would be when sparks fly, right??? Been there, done that. Paul Wilson wrote: > > negative last. That way you won't short out the battery should your wrench, > wrench + wedding ring, etc., make contact with the frame while you're > tightening the positive terminal. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 15:33:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72JXdZ4007672; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:33:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72JXcKm007665; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:33:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802153113.0223c568@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:33:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Hells Fire!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed It is now officially 102F in Herndon...down in Centreville it was reported to be 107F !!!!! Thank gawd I'm a careless, shortie helmet wearing, Harley t-shirt adorned Harley rider! I would spontaneously combust all trussed up like a Ricky Rocket Racer! 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 15:44:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72Ji8Z4008267; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:44:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72Ji766008262; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:44:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020802194405.21340.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:44:05 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Hells Fire!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802153113.0223c568@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Harley rider! I would spontaneously combust all trussed up like a > Ricky Rocket > Racer! oh ha, ha. Granted I'm wearing my Reactor jacket and Phoenix pants but I'm somehow not combusting in the middle of Herndon... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 15:47:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72Jl0Z4008692; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:47:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72Jkx4W008681; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:46:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802154538.02252af8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:46:51 -0400 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Hells Fire!!! In-Reply-To: <20020802194405.21340.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802153113.0223c568@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:44 PM 8/2/2002 -0700, matthew patton wrote: > > Harley rider! I would spontaneously combust all trussed up like a > > Ricky Rocket > > Racer! > >oh ha, ha. Granted I'm wearing my Reactor jacket and Phoenix pants but >I'm somehow not combusting in the middle of Herndon... pretty soon we'll see everyone wearing a Camelback just to get to/from work! jeez..heat is one thing..I *love* summer, but this is getting a little carried away IMHO. It's the stop lights that will bake ya. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 15:53:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72JrTZ4009130; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:53:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72JrSbr009125; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:53:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020802154854.00d8d008@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:54:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Hells Fire!!! In-Reply-To: <20020802194405.21340.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802153113.0223c568@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:44 PM 8/2/2002 -0700, matthew patton wrote: > > Harley rider! I would spontaneously combust all trussed up like a > > Ricky Rocket Racer! > >oh ha, ha. Granted I'm wearing my Reactor jacket and Phoenix pants but >I'm somehow not combusting in the middle of Herndon... Just keep riding -- Ricky Rocket Racers roast in Reston. Harry Harley hayseeds and happy Honda hasten high heat in Herndon. (Sorry...it's too damn hot in Alexandria, too) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 15:55:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72JtcZ4009547; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:55:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72Jtbus009542; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:55:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020802195531.46382.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:55:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: im not a man! and dan's response! To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: Ricardo Pontes , dccycles , Jennthebiker@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3D4AC759.1020003@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii that's certainly the last time i allow anybody to inspect and measure my dingleberries. what the hell did you plan on doing with that information anyway? -- tg --- Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: > That and the one of me using a micrometer and magnifying > glass to > measure Tom's ... well ... uh ... > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > > >> > >>I must have proof. Like Dan said, nude pics are a MUST. > >>How else are we to > >>know. We did the same thing for Tom and Chuck. > >> > > > > the one of me spanking chuck's bare bottom with the > sporty > > tassles as he's bent over the tire changer is friggin > > hilarious.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 15:56:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72Ju7Z4009838; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:56:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72Ju7la009832; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:56:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802155506.02238448@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:55:54 -0400 To: Larry Larson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Hells Fire!!! In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020802154854.00d8d008@mail.9netave.com> References: <20020802194405.21340.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020802153113.0223c568@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:54 PM 8/2/2002 -0400, Larry Larson wrote: >At 12:44 PM 8/2/2002 -0700, matthew patton wrote: >> > Harley rider! I would spontaneously combust all trussed up like a >> > Ricky Rocket Racer! >> >>oh ha, ha. Granted I'm wearing my Reactor jacket and Phoenix pants but >>I'm somehow not combusting in the middle of Herndon... > >Just keep riding -- Ricky Rocket Racers roast in Reston. > >Harry Harley hayseeds and happy Honda hasten high heat in Herndon. > >(Sorry...it's too damn hot in Alexandria, too) -- Larry yesh...one hundred and ONE things -dc-cycles isn't home to POETS! ;-) here's some sample temps as reported by the NWS around the area: Centreville HS - 107 Herndon MS: 99 Lees Corner Fairfax: 100 Loudon Campus NOVA: 102 USGS Reston: 103 GWU: 101 Nottingham Elem Sch. Arlington: 102 Nat Cathedral School: 104 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 16:02:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72K2KZ4010400; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:02:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72K2K5h010396; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:02:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Aki Damme'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Hells Fire!!! Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:02:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain Don't you Hardley Ableson riders just roll up the windows and turn on the A/c in the truck you're towing it with. LOL j/k : ) -----Original Message----- From: Aki Damme [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 3:34 PM To: dc-cycles Subject: Hells Fire!!! It is now officially 102F in Herndon...down in Centreville it was reported to be 107F !!!!! Thank gawd I'm a careless, shortie helmet wearing, Harley t-shirt adorned Harley rider! I would spontaneously combust all trussed up like a Ricky Rocket Racer! 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 16:07:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72K77Z4010943; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:07:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72K76mp010934; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:07:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802160512.022585b0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 16:06:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Hells Fire!!! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:02 PM 8/2/2002 -0400, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: >Don't you Hardley Ableson riders just roll up the windows and turn on the >A/c in the truck you're towing it with. LOL j/k : ) well...actually that really isn't too far from the truth ...I went outside to try on my brandy new backrest for my Corbin, yelled "too hot! too hot!" and ran back inside, pulled the shades and grabbed an ice tea. But I got my riding boots on...does that count? ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 16:08:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72K8rZ4011341; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:08:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72K8q4i011335; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:08:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYWuddX9TNG2MpCKfjsPkoDS6Cso+9VotE/YDIB8IpeaZz1yhzyfFYa2aG1wfXRezg= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Hells Fire!!! Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:08:43 -0400 Message-ID: <00ae01c23a60$7e497550$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: I think it would be more correct to call him an "alliterate". --jon -----Aki Damme wrote: > >Ricky Rocket Racers roast in Reston. > >Harry Harley hayseeds and happy Honda hasten high heat in Herndon. > yesh...one hundred and ONE things -dc-cycles isn't home to POETS! ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 16:15:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72KFMZ4011793; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:15:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72KFLbX011786; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:15:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802161406.0225ee08@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 16:15:13 -0400 To: , "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Hells Fire!!! In-Reply-To: <00ae01c23a60$7e497550$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:08 PM 8/2/2002 -0400, Jon Strang wrote: >I think it would be more correct to call him an "alliterate". > >--jon pretty big words for a biker! Better watch it or people will start to think we actually..uh, think or somethin'..... what were we talking about? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 16:17:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72KHqZ4012210; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:17:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72KHqGJ012202; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:17:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 2 Aug 2002 20:17:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20020802201750.5740.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: im not a man! and dan X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Gimer shakes his head ruefully while typing: >that's certainly the last time i allow anybody to inspect >and measure my dingleberries. what the hell did you plan >on doing with that information anyway? [Dave] maybe he was getting chafed ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 16:24:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72KOYZ4012669; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:24:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72KOXZo012664; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:24:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4AEBD3.82CB9056@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 16:30:11 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Hells Fire!!! References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802153113.0223c568@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki Damme wrote: > > It is now officially 102F in Herndon...down in Centreville it was > reported to be 107F !!!!! > > Thank gawd I'm a careless, shortie helmet wearing, Harley t-shirt adorned > Harley rider! I would spontaneously combust all trussed up like a Ricky Rocket > Racer! I was in Fairfax - ventilated black leather jacket, Shoei RF-800, gloves, jeans, boots, and had one of them Hot Harleys betwixt me legs. No combustion here, but then I had years of childhood training in the hot & humid coastal swamps. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 16:29:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72KTBZ4013143; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:29:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72KTBmv013137; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:29:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802162644.02257090@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 16:29:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Hells Fire!!! In-Reply-To: <3D4AEBD3.82CB9056@patriot.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802153113.0223c568@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:30 PM 8/2/2002 -0400, William J. Huson wrote: >Aki Damme wrote: > > > > > It is now officially 102F in Herndon...down in Centreville it was > > reported to be 107F !!!!! > > > > Thank gawd I'm a careless, shortie helmet wearing, Harley t-shirt adorned > > Harley rider! I would spontaneously combust all trussed up like a > Ricky Rocket > > Racer! > >I was in Fairfax - ventilated black leather jacket, Shoei RF-800, gloves, >jeans, >boots, and had one of them Hot Harleys betwixt me legs. No combustion >here, but >then I had years of childhood training in the hot & humid coastal swamps. > >Bill ..actually I got one of them ventilated jackets (from Draggin Jeans) and it works great.. *as long as you're moving*...come to a stop light and POOF! Up in flames I am. I also wear gloves, jeans, boots but the full face, (I have an X9 Air), I reserve for super slabbing or winter weather riding. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 16:51:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72KpeZ4013699; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:51:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72KpeYA013694; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:51:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020802165217.04a7e1d8@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 16:52:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Hells Fire!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:46 PM 8/2/02 -0400, Aki Damme wrote: >At 12:44 PM 8/2/2002 -0700, matthew patton wrote: >> > Harley rider! I would spontaneously combust all trussed up like a >> > Ricky Rocket >> > Racer! >> >>oh ha, ha. Granted I'm wearing my Reactor jacket and Phoenix pants but >>I'm somehow not combusting in the middle of Herndon... > > >pretty soon we'll see everyone wearing a Camelback just to get to/from work! > >jeez..heat is one thing..I *love* summer, but this is getting a little >carried away IMHO. > >It's the stop lights that will bake ya. Just rode home from the 270/495 split. It's DAMN hot out there. I skipped my leather pants today... perf'd leather jacket, gloves, boots, jeans and helmet. I'm still sweating inside my 68 deg house! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 17:01:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72L1fZ4014171; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:01:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72L1fs3014163; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:01:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: Hells Fire!!! Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:01:09 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <00df01c23a67$bcf12d00$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020802165217.04a7e1d8@noid.org> I'm about to brave it. If I can only make it through the first 3 busy lights... Boots, Jeans, Perf'd jacket, gloves, full helmet. Think cool... > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 4:53 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Hells Fire!!! > > > At 03:46 PM 8/2/02 -0400, Aki Damme wrote: > >At 12:44 PM 8/2/2002 -0700, matthew patton wrote: > >> > Harley rider! I would spontaneously combust all trussed > up like a > >> > Ricky Rocket > >> > Racer! > >> > >>oh ha, ha. Granted I'm wearing my Reactor jacket and > Phoenix pants but > >>I'm somehow not combusting in the middle of Herndon... > > > > > >pretty soon we'll see everyone wearing a Camelback just to > get to/from work! > > > >jeez..heat is one thing..I *love* summer, but this is > getting a little > >carried away IMHO. > > > >It's the stop lights that will bake ya. > > Just rode home from the 270/495 split. It's DAMN hot out > there. I skipped > my leather pants today... perf'd leather jacket, gloves, > boots, jeans and > helmet. I'm still sweating inside my 68 deg house! > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 17:11:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72LBAZ4014649; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:11:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72LB97M014640; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:11:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4AF560.9030800@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 17:10:56 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: dccycles , Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Subject: Re: im not a man! and dan's response! References: <20020802195531.46382.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was planning on submitting it to the Guiness Book of World Records. Tom Gimer wrote: > that's certainly the last time i allow anybody to inspect > and measure my dingleberries. what the hell did you plan > on doing with that information anyway? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 17:27:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72LR8Z4015121; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:27:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72LR7VH015116; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:27:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <028c01c23a6b$fcc6e4c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <00df01c23a67$bcf12d00$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> Subject: Re: Hells Fire!!! Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:30:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim McGonigle" > > I'm about to brave it. If I can only make it through the first 3 busy > lights... Boots, Jeans, Perf'd jacket, gloves, full helmet. > > Think cool... > The patron saint of motorcyclists must have been watching me on Monday. I rode from my office in Old Town Alex. to my house on Capitol Hill without putting my feet down. That means making every light in Old Town, having no stop'n'go back-ups on the 14th St. bridge and making every light on the Hill. It was one for the record books and very welcome in the 95-degree heat. I'm about to don the cordura and wrap my legs around a hot engine so I'm hoping for a repeat. The worst is getting caught by a coal train on the GW Pkwy. PS: There are no stop signs on my route and I didn't shoulder run or lane split. Honest. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 19:16:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72NG5Z4016352; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:16:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72NG4Cj016343; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:16:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: Subject: A few things Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:00:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D4ACDDA.7060809@ix.netcom.com> Is the bike night web page not working? Every time I click on it I just get a white page and nothing else. I am computer literate except for programming, and I am not going to mess with that anymore. BTW, out of work EMT and Administrative Asst., general paper pusher here. If you know of any such jobs, feel free to email me. It is fun sitting around the house, but I have bills to pay too. Thanks for any help you all can give me. On a second note, I have a pic of Jenn the biker. Was going to meet up with her tonight but with the rain coming in and my Monster.com needed some typing to get my resume in, I thought it would be wise to stay home. I will be riding out Rt 450 to Crownsville, MD tomorrow to the Renaissance Festival, have to practice for the start of the festival on the 24th. Will probably stay out and ride in the evening, weather permitting. Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 19:18:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72NIbZ4016750; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:18:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72NIaAd016744; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:18:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 2 Aug 2002 23:18:25 GMT Message-ID: <000a01c23a7c$c3cc5860$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: , , References: Subject: Re: DC-Cycles name change. Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:31:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 > By the way, when is the next singles, I mean cycles get together so I can > plan ahead. > > Scott Russell > 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S Be careful. DC Cycles is not for the weak...you will wind up married if you stay on this list! :) LAG From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 19:38:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72NcsZ4017236; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:38:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72NcrfZ017231; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:38:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: "Laura Granato" , , Subject: RE: DC-Cycles name change. Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:22:35 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000a01c23a7c$c3cc5860$f14efea9@dccracing.org> You say this by experience? Are you married or single? Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S -----Original Message----- From: Laura Granato [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 7:32 PM To: MacDa@XXXXXX; jmstrang@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC-Cycles name change. > By the way, when is the next singles, I mean cycles get together so I can > plan ahead. > > Scott Russell > 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S Be careful. DC Cycles is not for the weak...you will wind up married if you stay on this list! :) LAG From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 19:46:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72NkDZ4017806; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:46:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72NkDfI017800; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:46:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 2 Aug 2002 23:46:04 GMT Message-ID: <003401c23a80$a06cb960$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: , , References: Subject: Re: DC-Cycles name change. Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:59:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 > You say this by experience? Are you married or single? > > Scott Russell > 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S > well, yes, I do say this from experience. I was single until I went to a DC Cycles bike night in July 2000. That is where I met Brian Roach, who is now my fiance. We're getting married May 3, 2003. :) Also, Jeannette and Tom met on DC cycles and are now married. Aren't there some others who this happened to? LAG Aprilia RS250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 19:49:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72NnSZ4018206; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:49:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72NnSKd018202; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:49:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [216.165.4.206] From: "Pierre C" To: nyc-moto@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: thanks to all Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 00:49:18 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2002 23:49:19.0129 (UTC) FILETIME=[37CDD890:01C23A7F] I would like to thank everyone who emailed me, offered help, offered come to pick me up from DC, came all the way from Brooklyn so that i could install their Reg/Rec, gave me reference to local mechanics. Thank you very much everyone! It was only a blown fuse, it finally came to light. My undercharging problem stays, but i will live with it. Thank you so very much to everyone. Pierfrancesco 98VFR (was stranded shortly in NY) >From: nyc-moto-digest-owner@XXXXXX (NYC-Moto) >Reply-To: nyc-moto@XXXXXX >To: nyc-moto-digest@XXXXXX >Subject: NYC-Moto V2002 #179 >Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:01:01 -0400 (EDT) > >NYC-Moto Friday, August 2 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 179 > > > > ***** ***** > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * ** ** > * * * * **** * * > *** * * * *** ** * * **** > * ****** ** ** > NEW YORK CITY MOTORCYCLES MAILING LIST > http://www.magpie.com/nycmoto > >In this issue: > > once again, mechanics (was stranded in NY) > My bike died in NYC > VFR no volts > Saturday Big Traile III Ride > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: 1 Aug 2002 14:15:07 -0700 >From: Eric Grant >Subject: once again, mechanics (was stranded in NY) > >Every time I've taken my ride to Francisco at Power Cycle, he instantly >knows what's wrong or zeros in on two or three possibilities. Then he >passes it off to an underling who fixes the problem - and inevitable >creates another one. >The last time, it was stripping the bolt when putting on a new cylinder >head (now it needs to be bored out). >On the plus side, he's very good about fixing his errors for free or cheap. > >- - Eric >1978 BMW R100/7 > > > > >- ------------------------------------------------------------- >Sign up for ICQmail at http://www.icq.com/icqmail/signup.html > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:28:15 -0400 >From: docgonzo >Subject: My bike died in NYC > >Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 05:05:47 +0100 >From: "Pierre C" >Subject: Stranded in NY: Recommend a mechanic please! > >"My bike gave up. Obviously it's the charging system. The heat made it >extremely lazy, and now it charges below 12 V....snip..." > >Electrical problems are almost always the stupid battery in modern >bikes. Yes, I know you have a volt meter. Yes, I know you know about >rectifiers and regulators and alternators and connections, etc. > >Just go and get yourself a new battery. 9 times out of 10, that's all >you need for a 4 year old bike. > >Bet that solves your problems. >- -- >barry (DocGonzo) >http://home.earthlink.net/~docgonzo44/bikepics/rossireplica.jpg > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:36:37 -0700 (PDT) >From: Armen Amirian >Subject: VFR no volts > >Many complaints about the VFR charging system. Honda >now has the new new new inproved regulator rectifier >they offer. The true faithful carry a sixpack of them >even for a trip to the corner store. >WIth a permanent magnet alternaotr, check the ac >output out of the stator leads (should be dozens of >volts). Then check the rec/reg with a diode check >meter as per the manual. >SHoot a note if I can help. > > >===== >Armen Amirian, Instructor >Knowhow Workshop Motorcycle Maintenance Classes > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better >http://health.yahoo.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:44:51 -0700 (PDT) >From: Walter Barlow >Subject: Saturday Big Traile III Ride > >We'll be doing a ride, which is probably not suitable >for regular street bikes, Saturday 8/3, leaving from >the Dunkin Donuts at 375 STATE ROUTE 10, RANDOLPH NJ, >at 10AM. > >regards, >Walter Barlow > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better >http://health.yahoo.com > >------------------------------ > >End of NYC-Moto V2002 #179 >************************** > >Post messages to : nyc-moto@XXXXXX >For administrative stuff : majordomo@XXXXXX >NYC Motorcyclists URL : http://www.magpie.com/nycmoto >NYC Motorcyclists FAQ : >http://www.magpie.com/nycmoto/NYC-Moto-FAQ.html >MAGPIE mailing list FAQ : http://www.magpie.com/digest.faq.html > >To get help, subscribe or unsubscribe to the digest, send a message to >majordomo@XXXXXX with the following text (as applicable): > > help > info nyc-moto-digest > subscribe nyc-moto-digest > unsubscribe nyc-moto-digest > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from the NYC-Moto digest, send mail to majordomo@XXXXXX >with the following in the message body: > > unsubscribe nyc-moto-digest > > The content of the NYC Motorcycles Digest is copyrighted. It may > not be reproduced or reprinted in any form without the expressed > written consent of Steve Manes. Opinions are those of the author > alone and in no way represent the opinion of management of this > digest. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 19:57:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72NvNZ4018644; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:57:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g72NvMWg018638; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:57:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: "Laura Granato" , , Subject: RE: DC-Cycles name change. Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:41:00 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003401c23a80$a06cb960$f14efea9@dccracing.org> So many messages, so little time. Congratulations and good luck.. -----Original Message----- From: Laura Granato [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 7:59 PM To: MacDa@XXXXXX; jmstrang@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC-Cycles name change. > You say this by experience? Are you married or single? > > Scott Russell > 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S > well, yes, I do say this from experience. I was single until I went to a DC Cycles bike night in July 2000. That is where I met Brian Roach, who is now my fiance. We're getting married May 3, 2003. :) Also, Jeannette and Tom met on DC cycles and are now married. Aren't there some others who this happened to? LAG Aprilia RS250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 21:57:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g731vHZ4019615; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:57:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g731vGVG019605; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:57:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020802215756.04a806a4@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 21:58:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: A few things Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:00 PM 8/2/02 -0400, you wrote: [...] >BTW, out of work EMT and Administrative Asst., general paper pusher here. >If you know of any such jobs, feel free to email me. It is fun sitting >around the house, but I have bills to pay too. Thanks for any help you all >can give me. Good luck, Scott. Seems like lots of out work peeps in the DC area right now. >On a second note, I have a pic of Jenn the biker. Was going to meet up with >her tonight but with the rain coming in and my Monster.com needed some >typing to get my resume in, I thought it would be wise to stay home. I will >be riding out Rt 450 to Crownsville, MD tomorrow to the Renaissance >Festival, have to practice for the start of the festival on the 24th. Will >probably stay out and ride in the evening, weather permitting. Logged about 2hrs tonight on the twisties in and around Frederick. Boosa still gets good fuel economy hovering around 7-9k on the tach. 35 mpg commuting and railing on some back roads with only one trip to hyperspace mixed in this tank ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 2 22:55:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g732twZ4020323; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:55:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g732tt6S020307; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:55:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Aki Damme Cc: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hells Fire!!! Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 23:05:02 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802153113.0223c568@pop.east.cox.net> <20020802194405.21340.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020802154538.02252af8@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802154538.02252af8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g732tsZ4020290 I was out back working on a bike.. had to push it in the shade.. and I hosed down my clothing to keep cool while i worked. worked out pretty good. On Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:46:51 -0400, you wrote: >At 12:44 PM 8/2/2002 -0700, matthew patton wrote: >> > Harley rider! I would spontaneously combust all trussed up like a >> > Ricky Rocket >> > Racer! >> >>oh ha, ha. Granted I'm wearing my Reactor jacket and Phoenix pants but >>I'm somehow not combusting in the middle of Herndon... > > >pretty soon we'll see everyone wearing a Camelback just to get to/from work! > >jeez..heat is one thing..I *love* summer, but this is getting a little >carried away IMHO. > >It's the stop lights that will bake ya. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 3 01:03:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7353sZ4021256; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:03:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7353rPF021247; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:03:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <171.118c68c6.2a7cbe2e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:03:42 EDT Subject: indiana, pa To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 larry writes: If you drank enough Iron City in your college days, you know *all* the towns north of Pittsburgh. Burp. jenns response: watch it! my stepdad stocks up with Iron City at every opportunity! :) gotta love western pa! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 3 01:04:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7354sZ4021512; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:04:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7354stk021508; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:04:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <199.acbe7fe.2a7cbe70@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:04:48 EDT Subject: the good old days? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 witold writes: > For now, follwing the discussion on Jenn's gender will have to do... > hehehe... > what did you guys talk about before i joined the list? motorcycles or something? jtb :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 3 01:31:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g735V9Z4022026; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:31:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g735V8T0022018; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:31:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:30:55 EDT Subject: Did I hear someone say Bike Night? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 chuck writes: You can get your chance to prove to everyone that you're not a man by showing up in person to the next Bike Night (I'm sure all the single guys will be lining up for signed pics). Still working with Mark Kitchell to set it up. It'll be sometime this month (probably later) on a Sunday evening at CarPool in Arlington, VA. As soon as we have everything nailed down, all the info will be on the website http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. jenn responds with: incase you need help in picking a date for Bike Night -- I should be free on August 25th! also, Howard from here at good old DC-Singles, met up with me this evening and introduced me to drag racing for the very first time. so in addition to the non-nude pics that can be requested, Howard is living proof that I do exist (im not chuck!) and that I am a girl! and for the record --- Howard says my purple motorcycle is CUTE! :p to jon! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 3 07:16:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g73BGNZ4024282; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 07:16:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g73BGLNb024266; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 07:16:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4BBCD1.24BCA266@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 07:21:53 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: thanks to all.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...who responded to my inquiry about swapping out diferentials in my cage, the battered Dakota p/u. I think (I hope) that the noisy limited slip problem was caused by water. Yes, water in the diff lube! No real surprise, I've buried the diffs on both my trucks in the water. Hey, nothing like running the surf line to wash off the undercarriage! I suspect this trashed the ability of the LS clutch to work properly. Cleaned out, new lube installed, fingers crossed. Moto content, getting about time to change oil in my scoot too. Lemme see, dino or synthetic? Or how about veggie based oil! Think triple virgin olive oil would work? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 3 07:49:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g73BnCZ4024641; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 07:49:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g73BnBg3024636; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 07:49:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4BC488.ED7FE3D@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 07:54:48 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: linked, integrated, anti-lock, & standard brakes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A student in my most recent BRC class was taking the class as part of his job. He works for whatever US gubmint acronym agency that regulates vehicles. This was encouraging. At least said agency wants their regulators to be somewhat familer with the vehicles they write regs for. His interest, motorcycle controls and displays. But then he dropped a heart stopper! It seems the agency (DOT?) is concerned over M/C braking systems. The concern, what if a rider who normally rides a linked/integrated/anti-lock equipped bike borrows a ride with standard brakes. Yes, the braking technique *is* different, and said rider would have to adjust. His point was valid, a switch like that could result in an unsafe situation. But I pointed out that situation was similar to the shaky few months it takes any new rider to become comfy on a particular bike. I also mentioned that if they started dicking around with mandating a particular brake system they'd better hide out in the Bush/Cheney bunker to avoid the flak. He said they weren't thinking about regulating a particular system. Has anyone made the switch, as in borrowed a bike with a strange brake system? Do you think a switch like that is a problem? Bill - likes his basic squeeze & press seperate brake system. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 3 08:06:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g73C6MZ4024971; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 08:06:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g73C6MFt024966; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 08:06:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020803120618.85491.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 05:06:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: DC-Cycles name change. To: Laura Granato , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <003401c23a80$a06cb960$f14efea9@dccracing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii weaver and wood come to mind.... no marriage resulted, but i believe kitchell and pena sealed the deal here too -- tg --- Laura Granato wrote: > > > > You say this by experience? Are you married or single? > > > > Scott Russell > > 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S > > > well, yes, I do say this from experience. I was single > until I went to a DC > Cycles bike night in July 2000. That is where I met > Brian Roach, who is now > my fiance. We're getting married May 3, 2003. :) > > Also, Jeannette and Tom met on DC cycles and are now > married. Aren't there > some others who this happened to? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 3 08:28:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g73CStZ4025301; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 08:28:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g73CSspn025291; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 08:28:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020803122852.4337.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 05:28:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: DC-Cycles name change. To: Laura Granato , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020803120618.85491.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii that was uncalled for; and, worse, it wasn't even funny. according to section 7.1.1 of the by-laws, i am invoking the mandatory self-imposed one week send button ban. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > weaver and wood come to mind.... > > no marriage resulted, but i believe kitchell and pena > sealed the deal here too > > > -- > tg > > --- Laura Granato wrote: > > > > > > > You say this by experience? Are you married or > single? > > > > > > Scott Russell > > > 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S > > > > > well, yes, I do say this from experience. I was single > > until I went to a DC > > Cycles bike night in July 2000. That is where I met > > Brian Roach, who is now > > my fiance. We're getting married May 3, 2003. :) > > > > Also, Jeannette and Tom met on DC cycles and are now > > married. Aren't there > > some others who this happened to? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 3 10:13:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g73EDWZ4025970; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:13:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g73EDVH6025962; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:13:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4BE4FB.9000504@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 10:13:15 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MacDa@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A few things References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, Just went to the Bike Night web page http://www.geocities.com/bikenight and is working just fine. Chuck Scott R. Russell wrote: > Is the bike night web page not working? Every time I click on it I just get > a white page and nothing else. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 3 12:20:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g73GKcZ4026709; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:20:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g73GKbkN026700; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:20:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: linked, integrated, anti-lock, & standard brakes Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:18:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3D4BC488.ED7FE3D@patriot.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Well, I own a bike with ABS and two without. So far, I haven't had any problems making the switch, but the techniques are not THAT different. I just get to use more on the ABS bike and have to modulate the brakes on the non-ABS. I've voiced concern over the new BMW version of my bike that has linked, power, ABS brakes. That bike is scary and would require re-learning braking techniques. OR, just use the front brake lever ONLY. A bad thing to get used to, if you ever ride anything else. It makes me crazier when I switch from beemer to jap, that the controls are so different. Give me the jap controls anyday - they are easier. I've finally gotten so I can find the horn on the beemer and it only took 30k miles!! Arrrrrrggggghhhhh My $.02. LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com William J. Huson asked: Has anyone made the switch, as in borrowed a bike with a strange brake system? Do you think a switch like that is a problem? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 3 20:49:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g740ndZ4029275; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:49:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g740nb1g029264; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:49:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001001c23b50$c6b246f0$3355f4d1@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: "DC-CYCLES" References: Subject: Re: linked, integrated, anti-lock, & standard brakes Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:49:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > It makes me crazier when I switch from beemer to jap, that the controls are > so different. Give me the jap controls anyday - they are easier. I've > finally gotten so I can find the horn on the beemer and it only took 30k > miles!! Ah yes - sitting on the rental R1150G/S in Milano just knowing that there had to be a starter switch somewhere near the handlebars - but not willing to immediately ask for help. Found it eventually, and I admit that it did make sense, in a germanic sort of way. Now, about the turn signals.... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 3 20:49:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g740nhZ4029308; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:49:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g740nh0T029299; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:49:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.49.179.96] From: "Tim Spong" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: linked, integrated, anti-lock, & standard brakes Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 00:48:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2002 00:48:32.0715 (UTC) FILETIME=[A851C9B0:01C23B50] I must be well behind the times, I didn't even know that bikes had anti-lock brakes. I know Moto-Guzzi had a linked brake system, but I thought they were the only ones.' Oh well, seems like I have been in a time warp - The last time I was on a bike was the year the GPz 900 Ninja came out. Must have been in the late 80's. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 3 22:38:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g742cOZ4030349; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 22:38:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g742cNWj030340; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 22:38:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5ff387379f3c482ca44c95e2e7072823> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 4 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: IC Light Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 22:30:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g742cLZ4030323 i think (although i'm not proud of it) i could claim the crown for consumption of IC light in a lifetime. when i was the social chairman for my fraternity in college, our average order was 15-20 kegs of IC light/weekend. when i got elected, i raised the level up to IC golden lager, but we still used IC Light as our 'quantity beer'... i hope i'm not dating myself with these brand names...... BB From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 3 22:50:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g742oqZ4030661; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 22:50:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g742oqti030656; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 22:50:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020803224545.00d36cd8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 22:52:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: IC Light In-Reply-To: <5ff387379f3c482ca44c95e2e7072823> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:30 PM 8/3/2002 -0400, wrote: >i think (although i'm not proud of it) i could claim the crown for >consumption of IC light in a lifetime. when i was the social chairman >for my fraternity in college, our average order was 15-20 kegs of >IC light/weekend. when i got elected, i raised the level up to >IC golden lager, but we still used IC Light as our 'quantity beer'... >i hope i'm not dating myself with these brand names...... Yeah, you're dating yourself, all right 8;) (thankfully, not in the same sense as Jon has recently been talking about "dating himself"). When some of us were in school, there was no such thing as d^ho^hg^h p^hi^hs^hs light beer. Blessedly. Some benighted states had 3.2 laws, but that was as deprived as it got. -- Larry (Lager Sucks) Larson "Every Man Needs Brains" -- (Brains Brewery, Cardiff, Wales) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 4 07:22:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g74BMCZ4013240; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:22:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g74BMB9T013229; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:22:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020804071844.00b40518@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 07:21:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: IC Light In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020803224545.00d36cd8@mail.9netave.com> References: <5ff387379f3c482ca44c95e2e7072823> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:52 PM 8/3/2002 -0400, Larry Larson wrote: >At 10:30 PM 8/3/2002 -0400, wrote: >>i think (although i'm not proud of it) i could claim the crown for >>consumption of IC light in a lifetime. when i was the social chairman >>for my fraternity in college, our average order was 15-20 kegs of >>IC light/weekend. when i got elected, i raised the level up to >>IC golden lager, but we still used IC Light as our 'quantity beer'... >>i hope i'm not dating myself with these brand names...... > >Yeah, you're dating yourself, all right 8;) (thankfully, not in the same >sense as Jon has recently been talking about "dating himself"). > >When some of us were in school, there was no such thing as d^ho^hg^h >p^hi^hs^hs light beer. Blessedly. > >Some benighted states had 3.2 laws, but that was as deprived as it got. > >-- Larry (Lager Sucks) Larson > >"Every Man Needs Brains" -- (Brains Brewery, Cardiff, Wales) heh heh...we didn't have the money for EXPENSIVE beer like IC...remember generic beer? It was a white can that just said BEER across it. Or, on special occasions, like if someone got laid, we'd got whole hog and buy a case of Pearl beer. Of course when we were feeling romantic with our ladies, we'd go out and buy a bottle of Boonesfarm Strawberry Hill, or TJ Swan Afterhours, or Thunderbird...and for a quick buzz..Maddog 20/20. *sigh*...the good ole days. 8-P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 4 08:02:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g74C21Z4013665; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:02:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g74C21GS013661; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:02:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004201c23bad$844e4c20$ce422c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: References: <200208032300.g73N01CR028664@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: DC-Cycles name change Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:53:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 05:06:18 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Gimer > Subject: Re: DC-Cycles name change. > To: Laura Granato , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > weaver and wood come to mind.... > > no marriage resulted, but i believe kitchell and pena > sealed the deal here too > > -- > tg > I think Chris and Sally, Laura and Brian and Tom and Jeannette are the only pure DC-Cycles get hitched types as they are/were all list members in long/good standing. Mark K, Chuck and Mike Troutman are hitched or getting hitched to off listers. Am I missing anyone? T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 4 08:07:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g74C7OZ4013940; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:07:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g74C7OxF013935; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:07:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004701c23bae$435530c0$ce422c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: Re: DC-Cycles name change Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:58:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 D'oh...And Gimer with his lovely wife, Ece. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Peer" To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:53 AM Subject: Re: DC-Cycles name change > > Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 05:06:18 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Tom Gimer > > Subject: Re: DC-Cycles name change. > > To: Laura Granato , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > weaver and wood come to mind.... > > > > no marriage resulted, but i believe kitchell and pena > > sealed the deal here too > > > > -- > > tg > > > > I think Chris and Sally, Laura and Brian and Tom and Jeannette are the only > pure DC-Cycles get hitched types as they are/were all list members in > long/good standing. > > Mark K, Chuck and Mike Troutman are hitched or getting hitched to off > listers. Am I missing anyone? > > T > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 4 08:43:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g74Ch7Z4014342; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:43:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g74Ch6Bw014333; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:43:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 08:37:44 -0400 From: Kevin Bechtel Subject: VIR weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001101c23bb3$bc326800$e4a33244@dalect01.va.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal I'm leaving Friday morning for VIR . Probably going down Blue Ridge Parkway. Is anyone else going, or interested in going then and riding with me? Kevin "99 CBR900RR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 4 14:21:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g74ILZZ4016023; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:21:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g74ILYfW016015; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:21:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020804142005.00d7cc60@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 14:22:55 -0400 To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: IC Light In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020804071844.00b40518@pop.east.cox.net> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020803224545.00d36cd8@mail.9netave.com> <5ff387379f3c482ca44c95e2e7072823> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:21 AM 8/4/2002 -0400, Aki Damme wrote: >Of course when we were feeling romantic with our ladies, we'd go out and >buy a bottle of Boonesfarm >Strawberry Hill, or TJ Swan Afterhours, or Thunderbird...and for a quick >buzz..Maddog 20/20. What, no Ripple? Mad Dog is still available in upscale markets near you as "Mogen David 20/20". I actually bought a pint as a joke a few months ago -- absolutely undrinkable. Pfaugggh. Just remembering makes me want to go brush my tongue. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 4 15:05:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g74J5AZ4016442; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:05:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g74J5A4l016437; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:05:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020804150317.00b40a30@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 15:05:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: IC Light In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020804142005.00d7cc60@mail.9netave.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020804071844.00b40518@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20020803224545.00d36cd8@XXXXXX> <5ff387379f3c482ca44c95e2e7072823> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:22 PM 8/4/2002 -0400, Larry Larson wrote: >At 07:21 AM 8/4/2002 -0400, Aki Damme wrote: > >>Of course when we were feeling romantic with our ladies, we'd go out and >>buy a bottle of Boonesfarm >>Strawberry Hill, or TJ Swan Afterhours, or Thunderbird...and for a quick >>buzz..Maddog 20/20. > >What, no Ripple? only as a mixer with Thunderbird.....made an excellent cocktail, "Thunderipple" >Mad Dog is still available in upscale markets near you as "Mogen David >20/20". I actually bought a pint as a joke a few months ago -- absolutely >undrinkable. Pfaugggh. Just remembering makes me want to go brush my tongue. > >-- Larry ah yes...and don't forget for that "must slip into a coma RIGHT NOW" drink, which is basically anything mixed with Everclear. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 4 20:09:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7509YZ4018322; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:09:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7509VNG018303; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:09:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "'William J. Huson'" , Subject: RE: linked, integrated, anti-lock, & standard brakes Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:18:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c23c1d$f4c207b0$6e01a9ac@ticostat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3D4BC488.ED7FE3D@patriot.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal >>Has anyone made the switch, as in borrowed a bike with a strange brake >>system? Do you think a switch like that is a problem? I am about halfway to comfortable with braking and shifting on my "new" British bike. I know this is not exactly what your original post was about, Bill, but it's in the ballpark. (For anyone who does not know, many European bikes have the shifter and the foot-brake reversed from what we are used to, so you shift with the right foot and brake with left foot and right hand... very confusing when you are first trying to figure it out!) The first time I rode that thing in traffic I almost had a heart attack, and I only went about 20 blocks round trip. But I knew it was going to take some getting used to; I hadn't expected to pick it up in a few minutes. I would also probably feel a lot more comfortable on it, if I were not to switch back and forth between it and my Jap bike. I think if the rider *knows* there is something different between their old bike and their new (or borrowed/rented) one, and takes that into account, it should not be an issue. Yes, there will be a getting-used-to phase, but that's true any time you change bikes. It might take a bit longer, though. I'd be more concerned with making sure the rider knew before getting on the bike that the brakes are different than what he/she is used to. I can see how not knowing could set a rider up for some scary surprises. I can't imagine there being legislation actually passed on this topic--- what's next? Making all cars automatic, so new drivers don't get confused if they borrow a friend's manual transmission car? Cheers, Patti '95 Yamaha Virago '69 BSA FireBird From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 4 21:33:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g751XVZ4018883; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:33:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g751XQbw018868; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:33:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020804213333.03080eb8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 21:34:49 -0400 To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: IC Light In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020804150317.00b40a30@pop.east.cox.net> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020804142005.00d7cc60@mail.9netave.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020804071844.00b40518@XXXXXX> <5.1.1.6.0.20020803224545.00d36cd8@XXXXXX> <5ff387379f3c482ca44c95e2e7072823> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:05 PM 8/4/2002 -0400, Aki Damme wrote: >ah yes...and don't forget for that "must slip into a coma RIGHT NOW" >drink, which is basically anything >mixed with Everclear. Lousy drink, great group. I *still* play "Santa Monica" on the guitar in my office.... 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 06:41:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75AfSZ4021965; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 06:41:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75AfRxT021957; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 06:41:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002a01c23c6c$a14d08b0$eb195aa6@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: <000601c23c1d$f4c207b0$6e01a9ac@ticostat.com> Subject: Re: linked, integrated, anti-lock, & standard brakes Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 06:40:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > (For anyone who does not know, many European bikes have the shifter and the > foot-brake reversed from what we are used to, so you shift with the right > foot and brake with left foot and right hand... very confusing when you are > first trying to figure it out!) Over the (cough) years that I've been riding, I've owned left and right foot shift bikes. Some up for first, some down for first. And that's not to mention the early japanese rotary shifters (the next gear from top was first, and around we go - exciting, if you lost count)) > I can't imagine there being legislation actually passed on this topic--- Too late - DOT standardized on the "Japanese" shift pattern somewhere around 1974. I had a lovely '75 Ducati desmo single in Italy that I couldn't bring back with me - right side shifter and no neutral indicator light. I had a '66 Lightning back in '67 - always wanted a Firebird - loved the tank. Michael J. '93 GSX 1100G '86 SRX-6 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 08:04:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75C4DZ4022464; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:04:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75C4Cpl022455; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:04:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <17c.c28060c.2a7fc3a1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:03:45 EDT Subject: Re: Hells Fire!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/2/2002 3:47:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > pretty soon we'll see everyone wearing a Camelback just to get to/from work! Or just riding a camel. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 08:07:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75C7tZ4022508; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:07:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75C7sLp022502; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:07:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004501c23c78$277227d0$a500a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: , References: <17c.c28060c.2a7fc3a1@aol.com> Subject: Sunday's Summit Point Photos Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:03:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Sunday's Race Photos http://www.2wheeljunkie.com/photos/photos_index.htm Gary Foreman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 08:47:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75ClfZ4022995; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:47:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75CldlM022976; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:47:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <89.1bd3cf21.2a7fcddb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:47:23 EDT Subject: Re: linked, integrated, anti-lock, & standard brakes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/3/2002 7:49:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > But then he dropped a heart stopper! It seems the agency (DOT?) is > concerned over M/C braking systems. God help us all. > The concern, what if a rider who > normally rides a linked/integrated/anti-lock equipped bike borrows a > ride with standard brakes. Yes, the braking technique *is* different, > and said rider would have to adjust. DUH! And that is why you never take a different bike out into traffic "cold" > His point was valid, a switch like that could result in an unsafe > situation. I disagree, in most cases the difference is never noticed, many Goldwing riders do not know that they have linked brakes. While they may cause problems in a panic situation, they are just as likely to save your ass as crash you. > But I pointed out that situation was similar to the shaky > few months it takes any new rider to become comfy on a particular bike. Good point. > He said they weren't thinking about regulating a > particular system. How can you tell when a bureaucrat is lying? > > Has anyone made the switch, as in borrowed a bike with a strange brake > system? Do you think a switch like that is a problem? Yes. Many of the systems you mentioned, with not problems at all. In addition I have had to go from right side rear brake left shift to left side rear brake right shift. That was a problem, but you could (and did) get used to it (Try it during a race sometime.) In that case the Gov. stepped in and standardized right side braking (an interesting time for the Brits. and Harly folks.) But that was old and fully developed technology, the change was not going to impact development. Nothing was changing, they simply picked one of the existing sides. In the case of motorcycle braking systems, they are still evolving, changing year to year, getting better and better. ANY interference from bureaucrats will stifle development. The manufacturers need to be allowed to develop braking systems freely so they can evolve. Only when development stops should the Gov. even think about stepping in to bring the stragglers up to speed. > Bill - likes his basic squeeze & press seperate brake system. > Me too. I do not like any of the new braking systems, (I specifically do not like current antilock braking on bikes.) but I do have confidence that they will continue to get better IF THEY ARE LEFT ALONE. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 08:51:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75CpdZ4023143; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:51:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75CpdvN023137; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:51:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <181.c27e6a7.2a7fceca@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:51:22 EDT Subject: Re: linked, integrated, anti-lock, & standard brakes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/3/2002 12:20:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ljtanner@XXXXXX writes: > It makes me crazier when I switch from beemer to jap, that the controls are > so different. Give me the jap controls anyday - they are easier. I've > finally gotten so I can find the horn on the beemer and it only took 30k > miles!! Been there done that! Actually I like the Beemer controls myself. (Circa. 1983) and I still hit the damn horn on my ST once and a while after 36.000mi. or so. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 08:58:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75CwsZ4023199; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:58:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75CwrwL023194; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:58:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <197.ae3872b.2a7fd07d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:58:37 EDT Subject: Re: linked, integrated, anti-lock, & standard brakes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/4/2002 8:09:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mprodgers@XXXXXX writes: > I can't imagine there being legislation actually passed on this topic--- > what's next? Making all cars automatic, so new drivers don't get confused > if they borrow a friend's manual transmission car? Never, never, never make a suggestion, even in jest that a bureaucrat could overhear. I remember saying (Many times) "Yea they passed a helmet law, but just let them try to pass a seatbelt law and see what happens!" Not even in jest..... John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 09:11:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75DBTZ4023339; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:11:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75DBSQq023326; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:11:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4DE0C8.68BA4655@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 22:19:52 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mprodgers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: linked, integrated, anti-lock, & standard brakes References: <000601c23c1d$f4c207b0$6e01a9ac@ticostat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patti Rodgers wrote: > I can't imagine there being legislation actually passed on this topic--- > what's next? Making all cars automatic, so new drivers don't get confused > if they borrow a friend's manual transmission car? Well, there are regs on trannys. Mopars used to have a push button automatic back in the late `50s, and actual shift patterns on automatics varied. Thus came the command from the Gubmint - Thou shalt use the shift pattern P-R-N-D-L. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 09:30:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75DUFZ4024078; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:30:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75DUFQ4024073; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:30:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 5 Aug 2002 13:30:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20020805133013.7069.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: heads up X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) Wouldn't want to spend valuable tax money on something like, say, fighting terrorism... FYI State police will cruise in Camaros RICHMOND - Speeders may meet their match Saturday when state police begin patrolling Virginia roads with seven high-performance cars. The state has purchased the 2002 Chevrolet Camaros at a cost of $20,739 each to deter speeders and aggressive divers. ``The vehicles' high-performance profile will serve as a deterrent to irresponsible drivers and encourage motorists to follow the rules of the road,'' Col. W. Gerald Massengill, superintendent of Virginia State Police, said in a statement. The Camaros will be assigned to the seven divisions in the state. Each will have the state's distinctive blue and gray paint scheme and markings. HTH Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 09:50:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75DoJZ4024331; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:50:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75DoIGH024326; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:50:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4D062A.8DA68FC2@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 06:47:06 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: IC Light References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020803224545.00d36cd8@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > Yeah, you're dating yourself, all right 8;) (thankfully, not in the same > sense as Jon has recently been talking about "dating himself"). > > When some of us were in school, there was no such thing as d^ho^hg^h > p^hi^hs^hs light beer. Blessedly. > > Some benighted states had 3.2 laws, but that was as deprived as it got. When I was in college, sucking down any beer required a road trip - dry county. That wasn't deprived, that was DEPRAVED! No kegs either, but bobbing for apples in a washtub fulla Kool-Aid flavored `shine was a fav. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 09:52:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75DqVZ4024498; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:52:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75DqUKg024491; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:52:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805095017.01d916a8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 09:52:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: heads up In-Reply-To: <20020805133013.7069.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:30 PM 8/5/2002 +0000, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >Wouldn't want to spend valuable tax money on something like, say, fighting >terrorism... > >FYI > >State police will >cruise in Camaros > RICHMOND - Speeders may meet their match Saturday when state police > begin patrolling Virginia roads with seven high-performance cars. > The state has purchased the 2002 Chevrolet Camaros at a cost of > $20,739 each to deter speeders and aggressive divers. > ``The vehicles' high-performance profile will serve as a deterrent to > irresponsible drivers and encourage motorists to follow the rules of the > road,'' Col. W. Gerald Massengill, superintendent of Virginia State > Police, said in a statement. > The Camaros will be assigned to the seven divisions in the state. > Each will have the state's distinctive blue and gray paint scheme and > markings. > > >HTH >Dave odd...doesn't this fly in the face that "you can't outrun radio waves"...and "high speed pursuits are considered dangerous"? I didn't realize that the State Police had such a history of problems being outrun by evil doers. Sounds like another way for the state to spend our depleting tax dollars to me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 09:56:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75DuiZ4024687; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:56:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75DuhUZ024683; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:56:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: heads up Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:56:14 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <004f01c23c87$e09778f0$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805095017.01d916a8@pop.east.cox.net> ... or worse, poorly trained ego-maniacs in a car that they think they can catch and do anything in on a public highway. Sounds like a recipe of disaster to me. > > > odd...doesn't this fly in the face that "you can't outrun radio > waves"...and "high speed pursuits are considered dangerous"? > > I didn't realize that the State Police had such a history of > problems being > outrun by evil doers. > > Sounds like another way for the state to spend our depleting > tax dollars to me. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 09:57:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75DvrZ4024844; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:57:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75Dvr8k024840; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:57:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <196.af5fc57.2a7fde5c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:57:48 EDT Subject: Re: heads up To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/5/2002 9:30:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > ``The vehicles' high-performance profile will serve as a deterrent to > irresponsible drivers and encourage motorists to follow the rules of the road," Yea, every bike with 200cc or less will be terrified. No one is afraid of the engine in the damn cop cars anyhow, try this. "IT IS THE RADIO DUMMY!" Everyone knows it is the radio you cannot outrun. Unless you are drunk or just stupid and then racing a Camaro sounds like fun. Just what we need more innocent people killed in high speed pursuit. Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Just cops with bigger phalluses. Damn I am beginning to sound hardcore, I need to go for a ride, a nice cool ride... DAMN! By the way I see/hear about a zillion bike on MD 210 every weekend, where are they going? John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 09:58:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75DwWZ4025005; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:58:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75DwVfI024998; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:58:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805095634.024c22f0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 09:58:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: heads up In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805095017.01d916a8@pop.east.cox.net> References: <20020805133013.7069.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Prince William County has had a purple Camaro for a couple of years now. Likes to race people on the parkway then pull them over. That one is unmarked - so I can understand the purchase. Why mark them? Maybe VA is feeling envious of the Carolinias - one of the two has had Camaros for years. Black and sneaky. At 09:52 AM 8/5/2002, Aki Damme wrote: >> The Camaros will be assigned to the seven divisions in the state. >> Each will have the state's distinctive blue and gray paint scheme and markings. >> >> >>HTH >>Dave > > >odd...doesn't this fly in the face that "you can't outrun radio >waves"...and "high speed pursuits are considered dangerous"? > >I didn't realize that the State Police had such a history of problems >being outrun by evil doers. > >Sounds like another way for the state to spend our depleting tax dollars >to me. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 10:05:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75E59Z4025215; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:05:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75E59UP025211; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:05:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805100427.01d99c78@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 10:05:02 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: heads up In-Reply-To: <004f01c23c87$e09778f0$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805095017.01d916a8@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:56 AM 8/5/2002 -0400, Jim McGonigle wrote: >... or worse, poorly trained ego-maniacs in a car that they think they >can catch and do anything in on a public highway. Sounds like a recipe >of disaster to me. not only that but if they consider a stock Camaro "high performance", they're in for a rude awakening. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 10:06:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75E6cZ4025384; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:06:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75E6cOF025379; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:06:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <37.2b812bd8.2a7fe065@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:06:29 EDT Subject: Re: IC Light To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 > > Yeah, you're dating yourself, all right Isnt that how you get hairy palms? John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 10:07:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75E7HZ4025551; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:07:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75E7Gem025542; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:07:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805100540.01dafe20@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 10:07:08 -0400 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: heads up In-Reply-To: <196.af5fc57.2a7fde5c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:57 AM 8/5/2002 -0400, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 8/5/2002 9:30:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX >writes: > > > ``The vehicles' high-performance profile will serve as a deterrent to > > irresponsible drivers and encourage motorists to follow the rules of the >road," > >Yea, every bike with 200cc or less will be terrified. next we'll see them buying 'busa's... >By the way I see/hear about a zillion bike on MD 210 every weekend, where are >they going? ...out racing stock Camaros.... ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 10:10:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75EA6Z4025716; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:10:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75EA5dp025710; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:10:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <14b.11efd7db.2a7fe136@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:09:58 EDT Subject: Re: heads up To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/5/2002 10:07:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > ...out racing stock Camaros.... Good one! Now excuse me I need to wipe coffee off my monitor. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 10:14:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75EEVZ4025899; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:14:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75EEUto025888; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:14:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4E8996.5FB7A034@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 10:20:06 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: IC Light References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020804071844.00b40518@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20020803224545.00d36cd8@XXXXXX> <5ff387379f3c482ca44c95e2e7072823> <5.1.0.14.2.20020804150317.00b40a30@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki Damme wrote: > >What, no Ripple? > > only as a mixer with Thunderbird.....made an excellent > cocktail, "Thunderipple" Is there a drink named "Thighs"? Then we mix and have "Thrunderipplethighs"! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 10:14:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75EEvZ4026055; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:14:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75EEuAF026048; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:14:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:14:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: heads up In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805100427.01d99c78@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Aki Damme wrote: > At 09:56 AM 8/5/2002 -0400, Jim McGonigle wrote: > > >... or worse, poorly trained ego-maniacs in a car that they think they > >can catch and do anything in on a public highway. Sounds like a recipe > >of disaster to me. > > not only that but if they consider a stock Camaro "high performance", they're > in for a rude awakening. I had a 2001 Trans AM 6spd (same drivetrain as the Camaro). It ran 12.76@110 at the drag strip with 600 miles on the odometer. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 10:22:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75EMXZ4026245; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:22:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75EMWub026241; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:22:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4E8B78.24F81777@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 10:28:08 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: heads up References: <20020805133013.7069.qmail@server445.gisol.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020805095634.024c22f0@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > Prince William County has had a purple Camaro for a couple of years > now. Likes to race people on the parkway then pull them over. That one is > unmarked - so I can understand the purchase. Why mark them? Maybe VA is > feeling envious of the Carolinias - one of the two has had Camaros for > years. Black and sneaky. > Spotted in Eastern North Carolina - black Mustangs. They seem to hang on the beach-bound roads to collect travel-tax. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 10:24:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75EObZ4026418; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:24:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75EOa5b026414; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:24:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4E8BF4.2BC571B@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 10:30:12 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: heads up References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805095017.01d916a8@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020805100427.01d99c78@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki Damme wrote: > At 09:56 AM 8/5/2002 -0400, Jim McGonigle wrote: > > >... or worse, poorly trained ego-maniacs in a car that they think they > >can catch and do anything in on a public highway. Sounds like a recipe > >of disaster to me. > > not only that but if they consider a stock Camaro "high performance", they're > in for a rude awakening. No shitski! I don't about the new Camoros, but my `83 Z-28 was a perfumed PIG! My kid had a Baracuda silly six automatic that could stomp the Z from a digout. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 10:26:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75EQQZ4026584; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:26:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75EQOZo026577; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:26:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805102418.01da3160@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 10:26:17 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: heads up In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805100427.01d99c78@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:14 AM 8/5/2002 -0700, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Aki Damme wrote: > > > At 09:56 AM 8/5/2002 -0400, Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > > >... or worse, poorly trained ego-maniacs in a car that they think they > > >can catch and do anything in on a public highway. Sounds like a recipe > > >of disaster to me. > > > > not only that but if they consider a stock Camaro "high performance", > they're > > in for a rude awakening. > >I had a 2001 Trans AM 6spd (same drivetrain as the Camaro). It ran >12.76@110 at the drag strip with 600 miles on the odometer. :-) the Firebirds, IMHO, have always been faster than the Camaros. I had a '79 Berlinetta, with the 350 Z28, and it was fast...but not as fast it's sister car the Firebird. And I'm not even going into the horror stories of how often it was in the shop. Even the pin stripe was off by over an inch from center! -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 10:26:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75EQlZ4026739; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:26:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75EQkHk026732; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:26:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4E8C76.17883BF6@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 10:32:22 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: IC Light References: <37.2b812bd8.2a7fe065@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Yeah, you're dating yourself, all right > > Isnt that how you get hairy palms? You gte Harry Palms if you're gay. I have Rosie Palms. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 10:29:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75ETeZ4026934; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:29:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75ETejM026928; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:29:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Aki Damme'" , "'Wayne Edelen'" , Subject: RE: heads up Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:29:18 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <006a01c23c8c$7edff650$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805102418.01da3160@pop.east.cox.net> Not anymore, the firebirds and camaros are about equal. My '94 ran in the high 13s stock and the later models were much faster. The ones they are getting are high 12 second cars capable of 150mph+ (around 130 they start slowing up) easily. They handle pretty well stock but w/ any live rear axle car you can lose the rear end at high speeds if your not careful. -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Aki Damme [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 10:26 AM > To: Wayne Edelen; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: heads up > > > At 07:14 AM 8/5/2002 -0700, Wayne Edelen wrote: > >On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Aki Damme wrote: > > > > > At 09:56 AM 8/5/2002 -0400, Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > > > > >... or worse, poorly trained ego-maniacs in a car that > they think they > > > >can catch and do anything in on a public highway. > Sounds like a recipe > > > >of disaster to me. > > > > > > not only that but if they consider a stock Camaro "high > performance", > > they're > > > in for a rude awakening. > > > >I had a 2001 Trans AM 6spd (same drivetrain as the Camaro). It ran > >12.76@110 at the drag strip with 600 miles on the odometer. :-) > > the Firebirds, IMHO, have always been faster than the > Camaros. I had a > '79 Berlinetta, with the 350 Z28, and it was fast...but not > as fast it's sister > car the Firebird. And I'm not even going into the horror > stories of how > often it was in the shop. Even the pin stripe was off by over > an inch from > center! > > -aki > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 10:30:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75EUEZ4027104; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:30:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75EUEru027097; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:30:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbs0OkuGa4Wvqm2jOHHXdRrWXDjRd8BmVXAN/dJ7WP/ovIE/ksxvZo50Uffl/pnMDc= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: heads up Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:30:51 -0400 Message-ID: <00d101c23c8c$b2ad6030$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal The last generation of Camaro/Firebird were pretty good performers. The low-end 6 cyl had more HP (around 200) than the V-8s from like 1975 to 1992 or so. In this last generation, the V-8s were detuned Corvette motors at 275HP (incrementally bumped up through the years to this year to something like 330). They weren't slow....but you had to have a mullet to drive one. --jon -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 10:30 AM To: Aki Damme Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: heads up Aki Damme wrote: > At 09:56 AM 8/5/2002 -0400, Jim McGonigle wrote: > > >... or worse, poorly trained ego-maniacs in a car that they think they > >can catch and do anything in on a public highway. Sounds like a recipe > >of disaster to me. > > not only that but if they consider a stock Camaro "high performance", they're > in for a rude awakening. No shitski! I don't about the new Camoros, but my `83 Z-28 was a perfumed PIG! My kid had a Baracuda silly six automatic that could stomp the Z from a digout. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 10:31:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75EV5Z4027264; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:31:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75EV5UT027260; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:31:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805102932.022b2eb0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 10:31:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: heads up AAAAAAHHHHHHH In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805102418.01da3160@pop.east.cox.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805100427.01d99c78@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:26 AM 8/5/2002, Aki Damme wrote: >>I had a 2001 Trans AM 6spd (same drivetrain as the Camaro). It ran >>12.76@110 at the drag strip with 600 miles on the odometer. :-) > >the Firebirds, IMHO, have always been faster than the Camaros. I had a >'79 Berlinetta, with the 350 Z28, and it was fast...but not as fast it's >sister >car the Firebird. And I'm not even going into the horror stories of how >often it was in the shop. Even the pin stripe was off by over an inch from >center! Please - kill this car thread before it begins. In short order everyone will be coming out of the woodwork with a Ford vs. Chevy story or reminiscing their uncle's 9 second 1/4 mile grocery getter. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 10:32:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75EW9Z4027424; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:32:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75EW8eP027417; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:32:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:32:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: DC-Cycles name change In-Reply-To: <004201c23bad$844e4c20$ce422c42@c9rnf01> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Todd Peer wrote: > Mark K, Chuck and Mike Troutman are hitched or getting hitched to off > listers. Am I missing anyone? Yep, me. Getting married in October. Gonna have to get this hair chopped off... Which will make it less irritating in a helmet, *whew* Fish. gs500e, thanks matt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 10:33:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75EXKZ4027585; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:33:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75EXJFo027580; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:33:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:33:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: heads up In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805102418.01da3160@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Aki Damme wrote: > >I had a 2001 Trans AM 6spd (same drivetrain as the Camaro). It ran > >12.76@110 at the drag strip with 600 miles on the odometer. :-) > > the Firebirds, IMHO, have always been faster than the Camaros. I had a For the newer F-bodies (camaro/firebird) that's just not the case, Aki. They have the exact same drivetrain and their weights are nearly identical (all depends on equipment and options). The only difference in power would be production tolerances. Both cars run the 5.7L LS1 motor and T56 6spd or 4L60E 4spd automatic. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 10:39:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75Ed2Z4027775; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:39:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75Ed2OF027768; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:39:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4E8F56.1295656C@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 10:44:38 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: heads up References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805100427.01d99c78@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020805102418.01da3160@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki Damme wrote: > the Firebirds, IMHO, have always been faster than the Camaros. I had a > '79 Berlinetta, with the 350 Z28, and it was fast...but not as fast it's sister > car the Firebird. And I'm not even going into the horror stories of how > often it was in the shop. Even the pin stripe was off by over an inch from > center! > > -aki I painted a few Camaros and Firebirds of that vintage. Bodies were so sloppy it was immpossible to even out the hood seams and such! One had zero fender shims on the right side, and an inch stack on the left to level that fender with the rest of the car. And this was on a car that had never been dinged! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 10:53:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75ErOZ4028009; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:53:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75ErOt5028003; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:53:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <16f.11a52100.2a7feb55@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:53:09 EDT Subject: Re: heads up To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 One of the major motorcycle magazines once stated, "Cars no longer accelerate. They gather speed." I still go by that one. Do not own a car, Do not want one.(Truth in adv. I can use my wifes if I _need_ to.) No way in hell I could afford one that could keep up with my ST, or damn near any bike out there. Cars BLECH! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 10:54:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75EsRZ4028177; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:54:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75EsQUv028172; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:54:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 5 Aug 2002 14:54:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20020805145424.26789.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: heads up AAAAAAHHHHHHH X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) Mike Pleads his case : >Please - kill this car thread before it begins. In short order everyone >will be coming out of the woodwork with a Ford vs. Chevy story or >reminiscing their uncle's 9 second 1/4 mile grocery getter. [Dave] I second the motion, the chest pounding has already started... Maybe we could get back to something less controversial... match-making, chain vs. shaft, synth vs. dino, and it's been a while since the last gun thread. This week's out of the blue question: What was the most prolific DCC flame fest ? Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 10:56:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75EuVZ4028342; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:56:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75EuV91028335; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:56:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:59:13 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" cc: Troutman , Subject: Re: heads up In-Reply-To: <3D4E8B78.24F81777@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Spotted in Eastern North Carolina - black Mustangs. They seem to hang on the > beach-bound roads to collect travel-tax. > > Bill > Lately???? I know NC had mustangs through 95ish, the older body style but they never used any >94 models. Both North and South Carolina use marked and unmarked Camaros these days. What's interesting is there will be no more good persuit vehicles from Chevy after this year with the F-body's end of production. I have to laugh at the cops in the new Impalas and Monte carlo's and whatever. I guess they will HAVE to buy Vettes next. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 11:02:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75F2BZ4028539; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:02:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75F2AH2028533; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:02:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'Tom Gimer'" , "'ScooterFZR@XXXXXX'" Subject: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:02:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >WRONG! va. has a YEARLY inspection. md. has a ONE TIME > inspection. Sorry, you're only partially correct...Maryland has a ONE TIME INSPECTION.... but you are inspected by the police EVERYTIME you are pulled or pass thru a roadblock... and you BETTER PASS or they will insert a vacuum into your wallet and you will immediately hear a loud sucking sound.... it some cases they will impound your vehicle immediately. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 11:07:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75F76Z4028721; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:07:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75F76fA028716; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:07:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <41200281515121290@earthlink.net> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 0 X-EM-Registration: #3003520714B31D032830 X-Priority: Reply-To: fgrefe@XXXXXX X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 5.0.6.8 (Windows) From: "Fred Grefe" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: heads up Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:12:1 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Wouldn't want to spend valuable tax money on something like, say, fighting terrorism... > The state has purchased the 2002 Chevrolet Camaros at a cost of $20,739 each to deter speeders and aggressive divers. They're cheaper than the Crown Victoria. So if they are going to buy a car anyway, why not something that will get out of its own way? --- Fred Grefe GTS1000 - for sa From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 11:08:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75F8qZ4028771; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:08:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75F8p7Q028765; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:08:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <412002815151346200@earthlink.net> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 0 X-EM-Registration: #3003520714B31D032830 X-Priority: Reply-To: fgrefe@XXXXXX X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 5.0.6.8 (Windows) From: "Fred Grefe" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: anyone selling an SV650? Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:13:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Time for a new bike.  Anyone selling an SV650 (not the S version)? 
 
--- Fred Grefe
GTS1000 - for sale
 
 

From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 11:18:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75FIlZ4028850; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:18:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75FIkrN028842; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:18:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 5 Aug 2002 15:18:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20020805151844.10546.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: inspections X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) George added : > >>WRONG! va. has a YEARLY inspection. md. has a ONE TIME >> inspection. >Sorry, you're only partially correct...Maryland has a ONE TIME >INSPECTION.... but you are inspected by the police EVERYTIME you are pulled >or pass thru a roadblock... and you BETTER PASS or they will insert a >vacuum into your wallet and you will immediately hear a loud sucking >sound.... it some cases they will impound your vehicle immediately. [Dave] True, MD police of any sort can write you an inspection violation ticket, localities *VERY SELDOM* do because none of the $$$ goes to the local jurisdiction. That's a prime reason you see rust buckets, and cracked windshield cars so often in MD. They only go through the impoundment hassle if they're 'fishing' for a reason to arrest or search you. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 11:25:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75FPNZ4029041; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:25:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75FPM5I029036; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:25:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4E9A32.50213744@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 11:30:58 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dan CC: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: heads up References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dan wrote: > Lately???? I know NC had mustangs through 95ish, the older body style but > they never used any >94 models. Both North and South Carolina use marked > and unmarked Camaros these days. What's interesting is there will be no > more good persuit vehicles from Chevy after this year with the F-body's > end of production. I have to laugh at the cops in the new Impalas and > Monte carlo's and whatever. I guess they will HAVE to buy Vettes next. > > Dan Yeah, saw them into the late `90s. A few years ago, while down on the shoulder with a spiked rear tire on the scoot, I had a conversation with a VA state trooper who lamented the lack of rear-wheel drive pursuit vehicles. The commonwealth had threatened to buy fwd cars, not good for the usual WOT weave & speed runs on the interstate. I believe Ford still makes the Interceptor. I assume that's rear wheel drive `cause fwd may be fine for the average citizen but shittin' & gittin' fwd blows. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 11:30:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75FURZ4029213; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:30:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75FURXT029209; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:30:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'Jennthebiker@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Prove it Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:30:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jenn, snapfish.com link requested I'd send you some photos of my ride, but only if you want... if you're running a 56k it could take a while. Let me know. Hey, I'm bold enuff to ask ;^) gb From: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:46:11 EDT Subject: im not a man! To: Jenn writes: im not a man! sigh..... if pictures are needed as proof --- email me and ill send you a link to my snapfish.com photos :) jtb Ricardo writes: What if Jenn is really a man? Getting his kicks by pretending he is a little girl?? Ricardo Dan writes: Wow, in one week this list has gone from dc-cycles to the jenn fan list. Jenn, you may have set record for hijacking a list serve. Not that I mind, its entertaining. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 11:43:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75FhVZ4029439; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:43:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75FhVp6029434; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:43:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYJAc/WLxSGxoRXJf4YCDw8pZU7pJnUZ0uI5of6PBuRdNL9MxsCpaRa2bKbSEfNcgg= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Prove it Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:44:09 -0400 Message-ID: <00d201c23c96$f0ab8a10$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal To hell with prove it...post it. -----Original Message----- From: Bruhl, George LT [mailto:GBruhl@XXXXXX] Jenn, snapfish.com link requested I'd send you some photos of my ride, but only if you want... if you're running a 56k it could take a while. Let me know. Hey, I'm bold enuff to ask ;^) gb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 11:45:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75FjmZ4029611; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:45:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75FjmhN029605; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:45:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'Jennthebiker@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Indiana PA Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:45:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > anyone ever hear of a small town called Indiana, pa? its about an hour and a > half northeast of Pittsburgh. some people know of it because of the > university -- Indiana university of Pennsylvania. some people know of it > because its jimmy Stewarts birthplace. other people know of it because its > the Christmas tree capital of the world. anyone know of it? and why in the > world do you?? I have a nephew who went to the University of California, Pennsylvania. I saw Indiana PA on a map... and pondered the significance of naming towns after states. But not for long. About a block from the campus of the University in California Pennsylvania there was a Mom and Pop Chinese joint that had magnificent General Toa's (sp?), Hot to Go! How's the turnpike? Are there plans to finish construction/reconstruction this millennium? gb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 11:48:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75FmGZ4029782; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:48:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75FmGMU029777; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:48:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 5 Aug 2002 15:48:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20020805154814.15787.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: heads up X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) >> Wouldn't want to spend valuable tax money on something like, say, >fighting terrorism... > >> The state has purchased the 2002 Chevrolet Camaros at a cost of >$20,739 each to deter speeders and aggressive divers. >They're cheaper than the Crown Victoria. So if they are going to buy a car >anyway, why not something that will get out of its own way? [Dave] but they don't use them in the same capacity as the cruisers (like to transport prisoners), they're sole purpose is blend in with traffic and not create a visible police presence so as to target motorists that misbehave. Misbehavior in this context has a subjective definition that varies with the officer piloting the vehicle. So while they may be cheaper than the Crown Vic (which I haven't verified), their use is limited. Since it's on our dime, why not use... Escorts & Cavaliers ? Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 12:08:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75G82Z4030115; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:08:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75G80IN030102; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:08:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <412002815161253950@earthlink.net> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 0 X-EM-Registration: #3003520714B31D032830 X-Priority: Reply-To: fgrefe@XXXXXX X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 5.0.6.8 (Windows) From: "Fred Grefe" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: heads up Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:12:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > motorists that misbehave. After watching Goldmember yesterday anything with the word behave makes me chuckle. > Since it's on our dime, why not use... Escorts & Cavaliers ? Escorts are no more. Now we have the much recalled Focus. Escorts and Cavaliers? Who would want to see Sheriff Buford Pusser (sp?) in an econo box. It's just not right! --- Fred Grefe GTS1000 - for sale --- fgrefe@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 12:31:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75GVxZ4030438; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:31:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75GVw7S030427; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:31:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 5 Aug 2002 16:31:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20020805163156.14681.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: RE: heads up X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) >> motorists that misbehave. >After watching Goldmember yesterday anything with the word behave makes me >chuckle. [Dave] Don't spoil it ! >> Since it's on our dime, why not use... Escorts & Cavaliers ? >Escorts are no more. Now we have the much recalled Focus. [Dave] You're right. It's a rebadged & reskinned Abort err... Escort though... The wife's '98 Ab...err.. Escort hasn't had a single problem in the last 130k miles... She managed to get 90,000 miles on the original tires... I think they were made of Flubber or something. >> Escorts and Cavaliers? Who would want to see Sheriff Buford Pusser (sp?) in an econo box. It's just not right! [Dave] Buford Pusser ?! That was TN... This is DC Metro, we're stuck with Barney Fife & Roscoe P Coltrane ! Besides... Buford was secure enough in his manhood to not have to compensate ! Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 12:35:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75GZcZ4030619; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:35:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75GZbEL030614; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:35:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 5 Aug 2002 16:35:29 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: the good old days? X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 09:35:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.11-9 Message-Id: <20020805093529.10147.h015.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > what did you guys talk about before i joined the list? > motorcycles or > something? actually, the list isn't all guys. There are a few of us gals on here too... LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 12:36:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75GaYZ4030782; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:36:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75GaXrC030776; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:36:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <014e01c23c9e$f0af12e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <20020805154814.15787.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Subject: Re: RE: heads up Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:41:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 11:48 AM Subject: Re: RE: heads up > >> Wouldn't want to spend valuable tax money on something like, say, > >fighting terrorism... > > > >> The state has purchased the 2002 Chevrolet Camaros at a cost of > >$20,739 each to deter speeders and aggressive divers. > >They're cheaper than the Crown Victoria. So if they are going to buy a car > >anyway, why not something that will get out of its own way? > > [Dave] but they don't use them in the same capacity as the cruisers (like to transport prisoners), they're sole purpose is blend in with traffic and not create a visible police presence so as to target motorists that misbehave. Misbehavior in this context has a subjective definition that varies with the officer piloting the vehicle. So while they may be cheaper than the Crown Vic (which I haven't verified), their use is limited. > > Since it's on our dime, why not use... Escorts & Cavaliers ? > > Dave Dave is correct. *If* the real reason for police presence on the highways is to deter aggressive driving and other idiocy (rather than to write high-dollar gotcha tickets) prominent marked vehicles deployed in large numbers is the way to go. Unless you live in a Stalinist police state where every third person is either an undercover cop or informant, the average joe is not detered by undercover-style operations that nail a tiny precentage of people who "misbehave." I doubt people are going to slow down or curb their idiotic urges because the VSP deploy, what, 7 unmarked Camaros statewide. The odds of one of them being around is very small. People "manage" the risk of being ticketed everyday and the odds of having marked or unmarked police around is quite low, if the prevailing speeds on local highways is any guide. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 12:37:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75GboZ4030941; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:37:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75Gbo9x030933; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:37:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:38:35 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: GBruhl@XXXXXX, Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Indiana PA Message-ID: <1F91D5C5.3C00E002.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey George, You've got it backwards. It's California University of Pennsylvania or the CUP for short. Graduated from there in '94. Upon my departure, I said goodbye to my favorite profs. One commented to the other, "Look Tony, we've done our jobs. He's going grey." Keep in mind, I was 23/24 at the time. =8-0 Never ate at the Chinese place. I frequented Subway myself. After the first half semester, all I had to do was walk in to the place and, by the time I put my bookbag in a booth, my sandwich was ready without me saying a word. ;-) Filled up 7 Subway cards in one semester. hehe Scooter In a message dated Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:45:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, GBruhl@XXXXXX writes: > > > Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > anyone ever hear of a small town called Indiana, pa? its about an hour > and a > > half northeast of Pittsburgh. some people know of it because of the > > university -- Indiana university of Pennsylvania. some people know of it > > because its jimmy Stewarts birthplace. other people know of it because > its > > the Christmas tree capital of the world. anyone know of it? and why in > the > > world do you?? > > > I have a nephew who went to the University of California, Pennsylvania. I > saw Indiana PA on a map... and pondered the significance of naming towns > after states. But not for long. About a block from the campus of the > University in California Pennsylvania there was a Mom and Pop Chinese joint > that had magnificent General Toa's (sp?), Hot to Go! > > How's the turnpike? Are there plans to finish > construction/reconstruction > this millennium? > > gb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 12:40:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75GeIZ4031105; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:40:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75GeHUp031101; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:40:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: heads up Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:11:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Why don't they follow in the footsteps of other states and transform seized vehicles into police cruisers? I've seen everything from Camaros to Porsches being used by state and local patrolmen. -----Original Message----- From: sdave@XXXXXX [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 11:48 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: heads up Since it's on our dime, why not use... Escorts & Cavaliers ? Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 12:40:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75GeSZ4031141; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:40:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75GeSkS031137; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:40:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:40:23 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: fgrefe@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: heads up Message-ID: <258A70C3.48431228.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In a message dated Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:12:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, fgrefe@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > motorists that misbehave. > After watching Goldmember yesterday anything with the word behave makes me > chuckle. > > > > Since it's on our dime, why not use... Escorts & Cavaliers ? > Escorts are no more. Now we have the much recalled Focus. Escorts and > Cavaliers? Who would want to see Sheriff Buford Pusser > (sp?) in an econo > box. It's just not right! > > > --- Fred Grefe > GTS1000 - for sale > --- fgrefe@XXXXXX Oh behaaavveeee!!!! Shagadelic, man. 8-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 12:42:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75GgJZ4031449; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:42:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75GgJ8l031444; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:42:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'ScooterFZR@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'Jennthebiker@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Indiana PA Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:42:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cool campus in a nice area. Was only up there twice. Somehow I always got roped into picking up and dropping off the nephew. Did you play baseball up there? gb -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 12:39 PM To: GBruhl@XXXXXX; Jennthebiker@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Indiana PA Hey George, You've got it backwards. It's California University of Pennsylvania or the CUP for short. Graduated from there in '94. Upon my departure, I said goodbye to my favorite profs. One commented to the other, "Look Tony, we've done our jobs. He's going grey." Keep in mind, I was 23/24 at the time. =8-0 Never ate at the Chinese place. I frequented Subway myself. After the first half semester, all I had to do was walk in to the place and, by the time I put my bookbag in a booth, my sandwich was ready without me saying a word. ;-) Filled up 7 Subway cards in one semester. hehe Scooter In a message dated Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:45:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, GBruhl@XXXXXX writes: > > > Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > anyone ever hear of a small town called Indiana, pa? its about an hour > and a > > half northeast of Pittsburgh. some people know of it because of the > > university -- Indiana university of Pennsylvania. some people know of it > > because its jimmy Stewarts birthplace. other people know of it because > its > > the Christmas tree capital of the world. anyone know of it? and why in > the > > world do you?? > > > I have a nephew who went to the University of California, Pennsylvania. I > saw Indiana PA on a map... and pondered the significance of naming towns > after states. But not for long. About a block from the campus of the > University in California Pennsylvania there was a Mom and Pop Chinese joint > that had magnificent General Toa's (sp?), Hot to Go! > > How's the turnpike? Are there plans to finish > construction/reconstruction > this millennium? > > gb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 12:58:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75Gw9Z4031918; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:58:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75Gw9AO031911; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:58:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 5 Aug 2002 16:58:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20020805165807.20570.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: RE: heads up X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) Scott 'the diet coke of EVIL' W asks - >Why don't they follow in the footsteps of other states and transform seized >vehicles into police cruisers? I've seen everything from Camaros to >Porsches being used by state and local patrolmen. [Dave] Nice Police Officer: "Mr. W. I stopped you for doing 58mph in a 55mph zone. Is this a cracked tail light I see, I'm going to have to impound & seize your vehicle, and it sure is a nice one." Scott W: "but... but... but..." NPO: "Zip it. I give the orders around here, Scott." No need to give the state or localities a financial incentive to seize property, that creates a whole host of other problems... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 12:59:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75Gx9Z4031958; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:59:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75Gx912031954; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:59:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <41200281517355610@earthlink.net> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 0 X-EM-Registration: #3003520714B31D032830 X-Priority: Reply-To: fgrefe@XXXXXX X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 5.0.6.8 (Windows) From: "Fred Grefe" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: heads up Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:3:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Why don't they follow in the footsteps of other states and transform seized > vehicles into police cruisers? I've seen everything from Camaros to > Porsches being used by state and local patrolmen. If the state has their own garage and mechanics then they are probably familiar with the chevy and ford V8 drive trains. Anything else would likely have to be sent to another shop which significantlycantly increase routine repair & maintenance costs. I saw a Viper done up as a police car once. It may not be practical (it was the roadster), but it sure looked cool. --- Fred Grefe GTS1000-for sale From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 13:06:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75H62Z4032169; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:06:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75H61ol032162; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:06:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: Subject: RE: heads up Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:05:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020805133013.7069.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Importance: Normal Actually saw a police driving Rt. 50 in a Lincoln Town Car, black in color, blue LED's in the back. Windows are tinted deeply, no visual markings on it. I don't know the person is legit or not, he was only wearing a t-shirt with POLICE on the back. Watch your backs. Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S -----Original Message----- From: sdave@XXXXXX [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 9:30 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: heads up Wouldn't want to spend valuable tax money on something like, say, fighting terrorism... FYI State police will cruise in Camaros RICHMOND - Speeders may meet their match Saturday when state police begin patrolling Virginia roads with seven high-performance cars. The state has purchased the 2002 Chevrolet Camaros at a cost of $20,739 each to deter speeders and aggressive divers. ``The vehicles' high-performance profile will serve as a deterrent to irresponsible drivers and encourage motorists to follow the rules of the road,'' Col. W. Gerald Massengill, superintendent of Virginia State Police, said in a statement. The Camaros will be assigned to the seven divisions in the state. Each will have the state's distinctive blue and gray paint scheme and markings. HTH Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 13:06:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75H64Z4032202; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:06:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75H63YI032197; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:06:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: Subject: RE: heads up Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:05:41 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805095634.024c22f0@mail.troutman.org> Importance: Normal Bring back the Vienna Volvo's!!!!!!! Scott Russell -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 9:58 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: heads up Prince William County has had a purple Camaro for a couple of years now. Likes to race people on the parkway then pull them over. That one is unmarked - so I can understand the purchase. Why mark them? Maybe VA is feeling envious of the Carolinias - one of the two has had Camaros for years. Black and sneaky. At 09:52 AM 8/5/2002, Aki Damme wrote: >> The Camaros will be assigned to the seven divisions in the state. >> Each will have the state's distinctive blue and gray paint scheme and markings. >> >> >>HTH >>Dave > > >odd...doesn't this fly in the face that "you can't outrun radio >waves"...and "high speed pursuits are considered dangerous"? > >I didn't realize that the State Police had such a history of problems >being outrun by evil doers. > >Sounds like another way for the state to spend our depleting tax dollars >to me. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 13:43:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75HhZZ4032448; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:43:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75HhYZM032440; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:43:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9e.2a6c2bc1.2a801341@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:43:29 EDT Subject: re: indiana, pa To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: gbruhl@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 gb writes: How's the turnpike? Are there plans to finish construction/reconstruction this millennium? jenn's response: NEVER! they'll just start again and continue to work at it! :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 13:45:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75Hj7Z4032512; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:45:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75Hj6dt032506; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:45:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020805174504.55691.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:45:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: To: "Bruhl, George LT" , "'DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ***this is an automated response*** mr. gimer is currently in the midst of a one-week ban on posting to this list. if this is an emergency, please contact mr. gimer in his office (301 913-0060), where he can be found naked on the couch, as always. --- "Bruhl, George LT" wrote: > > >WRONG! va. has a YEARLY inspection. md. has a ONE TIME > > inspection. > > > Sorry, you're only partially correct...Maryland has a ONE > TIME > INSPECTION.... but you are inspected by the police > EVERYTIME you are pulled > or pass thru a roadblock... and you BETTER PASS or they > will insert a > vacuum into your wallet and you will immediately hear a > loud sucking > sound.... it some cases they will impound your vehicle > immediately. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 13:47:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75HlEZ4032550; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:47:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75HlDaB032546; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:47:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: "'sdave@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: RE: heads up Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:44:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" For the record the vehicles in question are normally cars involved in drug offences. If they pull you over for speeding and happen to find drugs on your person or in your vehicle then they would have the right (in many states) to seize and sell your property. If a jurisdiction busts into a dealer's/supplier's house in the 'burbs I see no reason why the shiny new Carrera shouldn't be forfeited. W.E.Scott III, JD -----Original Message----- From: sdave@XXXXXX [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 12:58 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: RE: heads up Scott 'the diet coke of EVIL' W asks - >Why don't they follow in the footsteps of other states and transform seized >vehicles into police cruisers? I've seen everything from Camaros to >Porsches being used by state and local patrolmen. [Dave] Nice Police Officer: "Mr. W. I stopped you for doing 58mph in a 55mph zone. Is this a cracked tail light I see, I'm going to have to impound & seize your vehicle, and it sure is a nice one." Scott W: "but... but... but..." NPO: "Zip it. I give the orders around here, Scott." No need to give the state or localities a financial incentive to seize property, that creates a whole host of other problems... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 13:47:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75HlxZ4032589; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:47:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75Hlx6x032582; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:47:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <139.125897c7.2a801444@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:47:48 EDT Subject: Re: the good old days? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: lgranato@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > what did you guys talk about before i joined the list? > motorcycles or > something? actually, the list isn't all guys. There are a few of us gals on here too... LAG jenn's response: my statement was not meant for just 'guys'. i said 'you guys' as in 'y'all', 'yous', 'yuenz', 'yous guys', etc. i apologize for being misleading! jenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 13:56:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75HupZ4032672; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:56:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75Huo1b032668; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:56:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:56:36 EDT Subject: RE: Did I hear someone say Bike Night? To: jon.strang@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 > jtb offered: :p to jon! Jenn, the last girl that made such a brazen offer....is emotionally scarred for life. Maybe b/c I returned the favor. --jon jenn's response: oh my! i have no idea how to respond to that! it wasnt a proposition nor a request for a returned favor! *shakes head in disbelieve* now about bike night.... ? :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 14:04:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75I4sZ4000570; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:04:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75I4rba000566; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:04:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:04:34 EDT Subject: RE: Prove it To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: jmstrang@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 jon writes: To hell with prove it...post it. jenn's response: since i have my photos on snapfish, i have to add individual email addresses to those who request my pics. i cant just send the email to dc-cycles@XXXXXX. so ifyou wanna see 'em, you have to ask :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 14:15:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75IF4Z4000689; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:15:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75IF4tp000684; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:15:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <48.f78b475.2a801aa4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:15:00 EDT Subject: nags head To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 hi everyone :) im riding to nags head this weekend --- leaving the baltimore area around 4am on saturday --- leaving to return home about 4am on monday morning. (i have to be at work by 12:30pm on monday). im meeting up with my biker parents there. let me know if anyone is headed that way saturday or returning on monday! jtb :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 14:23:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75IN6Z4000783; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:23:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75IN68h000778; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:23:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVajVNWuiY/3srF/TlNRrS0X9por7JVzFB4yTh1wy4tMqd92I0LW6myL9C7u0y5mTPY= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Did I hear someone say Bike Night? Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:23:44 -0400 Message-ID: <00e301c23cad$3bf18d10$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal >> > jtb offered: >> > :p to jon! >> jon replied: >> Jenn, the last girl that made such a brazen offer....is emotionally >> scarred for life. >jenn's response: >oh my! i have no idea how to respond to that! it wasnt a proposition nor a >request for a returned favor! *shakes head in disbelieve* I'd recomend a quick getaway on a cute purple bike. And chalk up the experience as a lesson to keep your tongue in your mouth around the corpulent, sweaty, bald guys with carbuncles that post to dc-singles. --jon ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 14:35:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75IZJZ4001013; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:35:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75IZIPV001008; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:35:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: , Subject: RE: nags head Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:33:42 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <48.f78b475.2a801aa4@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Is that an offer to join you for the weekend? Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S -----Original Message----- From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX [mailto:Jennthebiker@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 2:15 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: nags head hi everyone :) im riding to nags head this weekend --- leaving the baltimore area around 4am on saturday --- leaving to return home about 4am on monday morning. (i have to be at work by 12:30pm on monday). im meeting up with my biker parents there. let me know if anyone is headed that way saturday or returning on monday! jtb :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 15:02:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75J2rZ4001560; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:02:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75J2pDm001543; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:02:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 210 Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 15:12:31 -0400 Message-ID: References: <196.af5fc57.2a7fde5c@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <196.af5fc57.2a7fde5c@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g75J2nZ4001527 >By the way I see/hear about a zillion bike on MD 210 every weekend, where are >they going? They're going to a little sugar shack type of juke joint" rib place, down in masons springs. you follow 210 south down into st charles county, you turn left at the shell with the burger king across from it. You follow that road to the end.. hang a left.. then your next right is a grassy/gravel area filled with all types of bikes and cars.. check it out on a Sunday. Harley's, Goldwings, sportbikes. If they're not going there, they're probably going to budds creek. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 15:58:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75JwrZ4001887; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:58:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75JwrrA001880; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:58:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <122.1500ad45.2a8032f1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:58:41 EDT Subject: Re: heads up To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/5/2002 12:58:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > No need to give the state or localities a financial incentive to seize > property, that creates a whole host of other problems... Yea, if they really wanted something fast they would just impound, oh I do not know... _YOUR_ bike! Impounding is bullshit, and I cannot believe it has survived court challenges of any kind. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 16:34:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75KYUZ4002145; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:34:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75KYT07002135; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:34:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 16:31:32 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 210 Message-ID: <39AA3058.43CD0F62.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Everyone calls that place "The Bottom". -Mark In a message dated Mon, 5 Aug 2002 2:12:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > > > > >By the way I see/hear about a zillion bike on MD 210 every weekend, where are > >they going? > > They're going to a little sugar shack type of juke joint" rib place, > down in masons springs. > > you follow 210 south down into st charles county, you turn left at > the shell with the burger king across from it. You follow that road > to the end.. hang a left.. then your next right is a grassy/gravel > area filled with all types of bikes and cars.. check it out on a > Sunday. Harley's, Goldwings, sportbikes. > > If they're not going there, they're probably going to budds > creek. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 17:29:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75LT2Z4002391; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:29:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75LT1MC002384; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:29:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805172723.02277260@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 17:28:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: At least I have my rain pants Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed ...oops...still drying in the garage at home. Looks like I'll be sitting at work for a little while. Doh! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 17:37:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75LbRZ4002459; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:37:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75LbQBp002449; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:37:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009301c23cc7$ee7070e0$0101a8c0@ELNcplvfr> From: "Travis" To: References: <17c.c28060c.2a7fc3a1@aol.com> <004501c23c78$277227d0$a500a8c0@C4ZJ911> Subject: Re: Sunday's Summit Point Photos Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:34:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 http://www.2wheeljunkie.com/photos/racephotos/020804/0804-025.jpg It's me cornerworking turn 1! Travis '01 SV650S '95 RC36 '91 GS500E '85 VF500 http://www.angelfire.com/extreme3/svbadguy ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Foreman To: ; Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 8:03 AM Subject: Sunday's Summit Point Photos > Sunday's Race Photos > > http://www.2wheeljunkie.com/photos/photos_index.htm > > > Gary Foreman > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 17:39:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75LdVZ4002495; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:39:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75LdVDi002489; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:39:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: "Troutman" , Subject: RE: At least I have my rain pants Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:36:42 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805172723.02277260@mail.wheatintl.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 If you go to Intellicast, the second storm is coming right behind it, except worse. Hope you get home sometime tonight. Severe weather advisory only for Montgomery County, as of now. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 5:29 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: At least I have my rain pants ...oops...still drying in the garage at home. Looks like I'll be sitting at work for a little while. Doh! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 18:11:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75MBmZ4002764; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:11:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75MBl6B002759; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:11:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7a.2ae8173e.2a80521e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:11:42 EDT Subject: Re: nags head To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 umm.... hmm.... well... if anyone has the time and the money. id enjoy the company of everyone if all of you are interested! we can leave by 4am from baltimore on saturday morning (5/530ish from dc/northern va) and we can leave to return by 4am on monday morning. not to be rude, but once we're there... you're on your own! the parents dont have space for everyone in their hotel! who's in? jenn > Is that an offer to join you for the weekend? > > Scott Russell > 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX [mailto:Jennthebiker@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 2:15 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: nags head > > > hi everyone :) > > im riding to nags head this weekend --- leaving the baltimore area around > 4am > on saturday --- leaving to return home about 4am on monday morning. (i > have > to be at work by 12:30pm on monday). im meeting up with my biker parents > there. > > let me know if anyone is headed that way saturday or returning on monday! > > jtb :) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 19:16:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75NGhZ4003453; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:16:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75NGftm003444; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:16:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020805231639.78052.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:16:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Moyer Subject: Triumph for sale (still) To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Fellas, and ladies: I posted a msg about a month or two back regarding a friend of mine in Leesburg who is trying to sell his 2000 Triumph Daytona 955i (yellow). For strictly financial reasons he is looking to sell and was asking ~$8000 if I recall correctly. Well, not having garnered much interest with the first offer, the price has fallen to $7000 or best reasonable offer; he is basically looking to have the loans paid off. I have seen the bike and it's in mint condition; it has maybe 2-3K miles on it if that. The guy is a good friend of mine and I know the machine has been well kept. If anyone is interested, remotely even, or knows of any friends that are looking for a great bike, or if your Mom wants one, whatever..., please contact me off list (I'm a digester, so I won't get posts to the list during the daytime). Props to the Mofos, Scott __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 19:17:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75NH4Z4003492; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:17:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75NH4un003487; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:17:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: nags head Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:16:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7a.2ae8173e.2a80521e@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 23:16:00.0883 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FFEF430:01C23CD6] Where is nags head? Sounds disgusting! Ricardo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 19:31:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g75NVrZ4003794; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:31:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g75NVrT4003789; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:31:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Do Yin" To: Subject: Re: Sunday's Summit Point Photos Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:34:49 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200208052300.g75N0262003065@dirty.meretrix.com> looks like the perfect opp to sunbath. any regulations against taking a beach blanket out there and getting some tan while corner working? :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis" To: Subject: Re: Sunday's Summit Point Photos Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:34:49 -0400 http://www.2wheeljunkie.com/photos/racephotos/020804/0804-025.jpg It's me cornerworking turn 1! Travis '01 SV650S '95 RC36 '91 GS500E '85 VF500 http://www.angelfire.com/extreme3/svbadguy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 20:23:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g760NIZ4005489; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:23:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g760NHZQ005477; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:23:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805202230.029dfec0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:22:52 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: RE: At least I have my rain pants In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805172723.02277260@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:36 PM 8/5/2002, Scott R. Russell wrote: >If you go to Intellicast, the second storm is coming right behind it, except >worse. Hope you get home sometime tonight. Severe weather advisory only >for Montgomery County, as of now. I kept close watch of radar images and skipped between two storms. Got home dry! ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org "Your glass is empty O'Flaherty, will you be having another?" "And why would I be wanting two empty glasses?" replied O'Flaherty. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 20:44:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g760iXZ4005593; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:44:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g760iXB8005588; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:44:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:44:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Minibike chain? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop-Detect: 1 Maybe someone on this list has ideas... I have a seventies vintage minibike (Rupp Continental Special) which mainly needs a new chain. Any ideas on where in the NOVA area I can go to pick up a length of the stuff? Specifically, according to http://www.mfgsupply.com/GoMiniChainInfo.html I need about five feet of #35 (3/8 x 3/16) Actually, it also needs some brake cable, the stuff seems a bit heavier than bicycle size. Again, any clues would be helpful. TIA, Pete. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 20:47:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g760lCZ4005651; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:47:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g760lBOr005645; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:47:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020806004709.66746.qmail@web21411.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:47:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Sunday's Summit Point Photos To: Travis , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <009301c23cc7$ee7070e0$0101a8c0@ELNcplvfr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Travis wrote: > It's me cornerworking turn 1! It looks more like you sitting smack in the middle of the runoff area. Living life on the edge... 8;) -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 21:18:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g761IWZ4005838; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:18:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g761IW3r005834; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:18:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020805211920.0139bf98@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:19:52 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Minibike chain? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:44 PM 8/5/02 -0400, Peter Hartzler wrote: >Maybe someone on this list has ideas... I have a seventies vintage >minibike (Rupp Continental Special) which mainly needs a new chain. Any >ideas on where in the NOVA area I can go to pick up a length of the stuff? > >Specifically, according to http://www.mfgsupply.com/GoMiniChainInfo.html I >need about five feet of #35 (3/8 x 3/16) > >Actually, it also needs some brake cable, the stuff seems a bit heavier >than bicycle size. Again, any clues would be helpful. > >TIA, > >Pete. Not local, but at least online :-) Northern Tool sells minibike parts - http://www.northerntool.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=93&cg menbr=6970&PHOTOS=on -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 21:47:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g761lsZ4006362; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:47:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g761lpZ9006347; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:47:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:47:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: Wayne Edelen cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Minibike chain? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020805211920.0139bf98@noid.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop-Detect: 1 Hmm.. thanks... while the link you forwarded is interesting/helpful, I am unable to find the #35 there. I did see it at http://www.mfgsupply.com/ but am hoping to find it locally, both because it's more fun to paw over stuff in a store, and because there are sure to be other bits I'll want/need, once I get loose in the store I'm hoping exists... (I'm also hoping to have it this week, fwiw. :-) On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: > Not local, but at least online :-) > > Northern Tool sells minibike parts - > http://www.northerntool.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=93&cgmenbr=6970&PHOTOS=on > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > At 08:44 PM 8/5/02 -0400, Peter Hartzler queried (paraphrased): > > > NOVA area I can go to pick up a length of #35 (3/8 x 3/16) roller > > (drive) chain and some minibike brake cable. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 5 22:49:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g762n5Z4007246; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 22:49:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g762n54A007238; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 22:49:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <74.20e0ec16.2a80930f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 22:48:47 EDT Subject: RE: nags head To: ricardo@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Ricardo wrote: Where is nags head? Sounds disgusting! jenn's response: nags head is a beach town in north carolina. i guess i should have specified! now that the destination is clear --- who's going to join me on the ride to and/or from? :) jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 07:23:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76BN3Z4010280; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:23:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76BN2rV010267; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:23:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020806112300.13609.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:23:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Minibike chain? To: Peter Hartzler , Wayne Edelen Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I know I have seen chain at Lowes, I don't know if they have #35 or not. It was in the specialty fasteners part of the store. Todd --- Peter Hartzler wrote: > Hmm.. thanks... while the link you forwarded is > interesting/helpful, I am > unable to find the #35 there. I did see it at > http://www.mfgsupply.com/ > but am hoping to find it locally, both because it's > more fun to paw over > stuff in a store, and because there are sure to be > other bits I'll > want/need, once I get loose in the store I'm hoping > exists... (I'm also > hoping to have it this week, fwiw. :-) > > On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > Not local, but at least online :-) > > > > Northern Tool sells minibike parts - > > > http://www.northerntool.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=93&cgmenbr=6970&PHOTOS=on > > > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > > > At 08:44 PM 8/5/02 -0400, Peter Hartzler queried > (paraphrased): > > > > > NOVA area I can go to pick up a length of #35 > (3/8 x 3/16) roller > > > (drive) chain and some minibike brake cable. > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 07:56:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76BuHZ4010555; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:56:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76BuHbu010550; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:56:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <21.21f99ee9.2a811359@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:56:09 EDT Subject: Re: Minibike chain? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/5/2002 8:44:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pete@XXXXXX writes: > Actually, it also needs some brake cable, the stuff seems a bit heavier > than bicycle size. Again, any clues would be helpful. > Shops used to make cables on the spot (I have made lots of them) but the equipment to do so has become hard to come by, as well as mechanics who know how. I would look for an OLD shop that may still have the equipment to do the job. Another option is to look for a small independent shop, they will sometimes make cables to fit. If I had the proper equipment myself I would do it for you, but I do not even know where to buy it anymore. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 08:08:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76C8NZ4010647; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:08:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76C8M9k010642; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:08:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:08:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Minibike chain? In-Reply-To: <21.21f99ee9.2a811359@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop-Detect: 1 Hmm.. That's interesting. I can certainly melt and cast lead (or lead-free plumber's solder, which is slightly harder), need be. The bike's brake cable connects to the brake with a clamp, so it may not be too hard to find a workable cable. What's involved in making cable besides cutting to length and casting the end plug so it wets the cable? -ph On Tue, 6 Aug 2002 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/5/2002 8:44:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > pete@XXXXXX writes: > > > Actually, it also needs some brake cable, the stuff seems a bit heavier > > than bicycle size. Again, any clues would be helpful. > > > > Shops used to make cables on the spot (I have made lots of them) but the > equipment to do so has become hard to come by, as well as mechanics who know > how. I would look for an OLD shop that may still have the equipment to do the > job. Another option is to look for a small independent shop, they will > sometimes make cables to fit. > If I had the proper equipment myself I would do it for you, but I do not even > know where to buy it anymore. > > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > Honda ST1100X Pan European > (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European > is now necessary {and I still like it.}) > BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 08:25:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76CPmZ4011052; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:25:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76CPlrP011042; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:25:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1aa.64959cc.2a811a3d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:25:33 EDT Subject: Re: Minibike chain? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/6/2002 8:08:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pete@XXXXXX writes: > What's involved in making cable > besides cutting to length and casting the end plug so it wets the cable? Lead by itself does not seem to hold up too well. The "official" way is to use pre-manufactured brass ferrules and ideally a solder pot (a small electric pot filled with melted solder) The cable is fitted into the end of the ferrule and dipped into the pot and held there until the ferrule is as hot as the solder.* When it is removed and cooled it looks identical to a stock cable. If you can find a source for the ferrules they will most likely have bulk cable, both inner and outer, and all of the other gizmos that make up a cable. Last time I knew where to buy all of the stuff it would have cost over $100 to buy all of the stuff to make them. At the time that was a no-go for me. When I am fully into our new house, and have some spare change I will be looking into buying the stuff to make cables, but for now... *It can be done with a propane torch, but I like the pot a _lot_ better, both for look and durability. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 08:39:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76CdhZ4011275; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:39:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76CdhdU011271; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:39:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'Jennthebiker@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Weekender Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:39:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I'm riding to nags head this weekend --- leaving the Baltimore area around 4am >on saturday --- leaving to return home about 4am on monday morning. (i have >to be at work by 12:30pm on monday). im meeting up with my biker parents >there. >let me know if anyone is headed that way saturday or returning on monday! jtb :) I'm doing the Blue Ridge. Maybe head down to Madison or Orange, maybe. Sunday I'll be up in Round Hill. I need to scoot over to Sharpsburg. Anyone into Civil war Battlefield rides? The weather is so pristine for the next few days... I just might take a day off to enjoy a nice romp gb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 08:44:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76CiwZ4011331; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:44:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76CiwRF011326; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:44:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Budds Creek Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:45:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >If they're not going there, they're probably going to budds creek. A great place to sell a bike too, in case your interested. I've sold 2 there and a friend in the building is selling one down there this weekend. Anyone interested in an 83 Kaw Gpz1100 (I think it's an 83)? Bought in Japan, a little more spirited than the U.S. version. I can get the particulars if you are interested. gb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 09:16:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76DGrZ4011663; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:16:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76DGqcn011658; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:16:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: Stevens John R DLVA To: "DC Cycles Mailing List (E-mail)" Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:16:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" (Catching up on e-mail after vacation, and jumping in late as usual:) Charles County Sheriff's Dept. has (or had - I haven't seen it in a year or so) at least one black Mustang GT... but it's marked. It seems to always be parked in front of Nick's on Rt. 5. (and jumping in VERY late:) I heared o' Indiana, PA... my H.S. girlfriend went to I.U.P. while I wandered around State College for 4+ years. John '02 VFR '77 GS750 (for sale, but not really trying) >-----Original Message----- >From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 9:58 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: heads up > > >Prince William County has had a purple Camaro for a couple of years >now. Likes to race people on the parkway then pull them over. That one is >unmarked - so I can understand the purchase. Why mark them? Maybe VA is >feeling envious of the Carolinias - one of the two has had Camaros for >years. Black and sneaky. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 09:18:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76DIWZ4011823; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:18:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76DIWrn011818; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:18:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020806131829.52392.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:18:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: nags head - and other weekend destinations. To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, ricardo@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <74.20e0ec16.2a80930f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd love to, but I've been invited to lunch at Lambert's Restaurant in Sikeston, MO on Saturday. Anyone else want to tag along there? Mostly interstate riding, but I could be convinced to take some small roads on the way home. Leon. --- Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > nags head is a beach town in north carolina. > who's going to join me on > the ride to and/or from? :) > > jtb > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 09:21:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76DLGZ4011879; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:21:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76DLGFk011873; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:21:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020806092246.03bc59b0@mail.ncifcrf.gov> X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:23:36 -0700 To: Leon Begeman , Jennthebiker@XXXXXX From: Lori Wilson Subject: Re: nags head - and other weekend destinations. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020806131829.52392.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <74.20e0ec16.2a80930f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm off to VIR Thurs night. Will be riding the south track on Friday and watching the races on Sat and Sun.... Anyone else gonna be at VIR?? At 06:18 AM 8/6/02 -0700, Leon Begeman wrote: >I'd love to, but I've been invited to lunch at >Lambert's Restaurant in Sikeston, MO on Saturday. >Anyone else want to tag along there? Mostly >interstate riding, but I could be convinced to take >some small roads on the way home. > >Leon. >--- Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > nags head is a beach town in north carolina. > > > who's going to join me on > > the ride to and/or from? :) > > > > jtb > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better >http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 09:24:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76DOcZ4011949; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:24:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76DOaUT011930; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:24:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B9A0@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'kari.vatjalainen@XXXXXX'" Subject: Need a bike in Finland? Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:29:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Contact her/him not me: From: Kari Vatjalainen I'm selling my bike, VF750S 1982 for 3600,- euro's. Bike is in a very good shape, mileage 87000 kilometers. Done some work since i bought it, it was customised and terrible to drive - now it's back to original (+ Highway-fairing and Givi saddle- and tailbags). Hate to sell it but life is live... going for custom, maybe a Magna???!!! There are 22 pics of the bike now at: http://photos.yahoo.com/hondavf750s klick first to "My Photos" and then to "Myytavana Honda.... " Take care, Kari Vatjalainen FINLAND BTW: Here is a link to finnish pages, a dealer who imports bikes from USA to Finland, they seem to have a V65 Sabre for sale, klick Moottoripyorat (eng. motorcycles). http://www.sompac.fi/ and an other one http://personal.inet.fi/yritys/hipower/ , they import bikes from Germany and Belgium to Finland. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 09:33:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76DXRZ4012019; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:33:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76DXQBu012006; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:33:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: Han Park To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Thanks Randy! Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:33:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just wanted to say thanks to Randy Moran for helping a dc-cycles member at yesterdays Champion Motorsports track day. I don't know what I would have done without the shade and thanks for the advice and moving me up to the B group! han hpark@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 10:07:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76E7TZ4012242; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:07:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76E7Sn7012238; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:07:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Bruhl, George LT" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Budds Creek Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:17:17 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g76E7RZ4012226 So you just go down there and park inside with a for sale sign? by the way a friend of mine had his trailer and race bike and all his stuff stolen from a track one time.. I dont' recall if it was budds or not. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 10:08:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76E8IZ4012288; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:08:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76E8ILl012281; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:08:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <013901c23d53$666e9be0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Leon Begeman" , , "Lori Wilson" Cc: References: <74.20e0ec16.2a80930f@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020806092246.03bc59b0@mail.ncifcrf.gov> Subject: Re: nags head - and other weekend destinations. Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:01:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Nags Head, lunch in Missouri or VIR. As enticing as all these options are, I have a date to teach 24 folks how to ride motorcycles slowly around a parking lot. I rode to Kentucky for lunch once, but I think Leon has me beat. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Wilson" To: "Leon Begeman" ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: Re: nags head - and other weekend destinations. > I'm off to VIR Thurs night. Will be riding the south track on Friday and > watching the races on Sat and Sun.... > Anyone else gonna be at VIR?? > > At 06:18 AM 8/6/02 -0700, Leon Begeman wrote: > >I'd love to, but I've been invited to lunch at > >Lambert's Restaurant in Sikeston, MO on Saturday. > >Anyone else want to tag along there? Mostly > >interstate riding, but I could be convinced to take > >some small roads on the way home. > > > >Leon. > >--- Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > nags head is a beach town in north carolina. > > > > > who's going to join me on > > > the ride to and/or from? :) > > > > > > jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 10:16:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76EGwZ4012491; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:16:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76EGvpj012484; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:16:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [158.114.92.201] From: "Randy Moran" To: hpark@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thanks Randy! Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:15:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2002 14:15:50.0522 (UTC) FILETIME=[C45415A0:01C23D53]

It was my pleasure, Han. All I know is you must have got hammered going home on your bike. I left about 10 minutes after you did and hit a toad-strangler that lasted all the way to Purcellville.

Anyway, I had a great time and I'm glad we all went home with bikes and bodies intact.

Randy Moran

 

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>Subject: Thanks Randy!

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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 10:52:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76EqtZ4012981; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:52:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76Eqt4W012973; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:52:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:52:29 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, ricardo@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: nags head Message-ID: <04F12A42.54BC273B.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sorry, can't make it to North Kikilackey. I'll be in Virgina Beach. :) Maybe next time... -Mark In a message dated Mon, 5 Aug 2002 9:48:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jennthebiker writes: > > > Ricardo wrote: > > Where is nags head? Sounds disgusting! > > jenn's response: > > nags head is a beach town in north carolina. i guess i should have > specified! now that the destination is clear --- who's > going to join me on > the ride to and/or from? :) > > jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 11:15:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76FFeZ4013134; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:15:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76FFeX9013130; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:15:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 08:15:29 -0700 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Next Bike Night @ CarPool Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Just a heads up to everyone that the next Bike Night will be at CarPool on Sunday, September 8th, 6-10pm. We promise to make sure they set aside reserved parking for motorcycles this time! Due to schedules, Kitchell and I (yes, the same duo that Gimer has alluded to!) weren't able to set anything up for this month. Hope we can get a big turnout for this one. On another note, this might possibly be the last Bike Night that Mark and I organize (depends if we do another one at Grevey's). We've decided that we don't have the time to do this after this year. So anyone in the group want to pick up the ball and run with it??? Chuck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 11:22:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76FMPZ4013202; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:22:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76FMPlZ013197; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:22:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 08:22:23 -0700 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Next Bike Night @ CarPool Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 BTW, we could use everyone's help in advertising this Bike Night beyond the list. Especially if it's going to be the last one Mark and I do, we'd love to have a big "blowout." Please forward the info on to other lists and individuals. We might even do up fliers and would appreciate any volunteers to post them around. Much thanx! Chuck On Tue, 06 Aug 2002 08:15:29 -0700 cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Just a heads up to everyone that the next Bike > Night will be at CarPool on > Sunday, September 8th, 6-10pm. We promise to > make sure they set aside > reserved parking for motorcycles this time! > Due to schedules, Kitchell and I > (yes, the same duo that Gimer has alluded to!) > weren't able to set anything up > for this month. Hope we can get a big turnout > for this one. > > On another note, this might possibly be the > last Bike Night that Mark and I > organize (depends if we do another one at > Grevey's). We've decided that we > don't have the time to do this after this year. > So anyone in the group want > to pick up the ball and run with it??? > > Chuck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 11:33:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76FXOZ4013420; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:33:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76FXOnE013416; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:33:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: Subject: Next Bike Day Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:31:53 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Would like to know if people are interested in a DC Cycles day at the Maryland Renaissance Festival. This is a great day to join the fun, have a few drinks, a couple of turkey legs, shopping, etc...... The weekend is Saturday or Sunday, September 28/29, which is going to be a great weekend there. There are a few things going on at the same time such as: 1. Singles weekend - featured at the festival, should be fun (then you all can meet JTB if she shows up lol) 2. AFR weekend - This is a newsgroup that posts with renaissance people from all over, they schedule an annual invasion of faires. There promises to be many wenches and rogues, homemade wines and liquors abreast. 3. The Mediaeval Baebes - This is a female group from the UK that is coming for a limited time only (sounds like a comercial). Their link is as follows www.mediaevalbaebes.com/ Their is plenty of motorcycle parking up front and a good ride from Rt. 50 to Rt. 3 to Rt. 450, nice back road. I am also an actor there but will not state whom I am nor what I do for the moment. Scott Russell 1984 CB700SC Nighthawk S P.S. This a nice day, better not waste it From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 11:33:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76FXQZ4013455; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:33:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76FXQ6w013451; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:33:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: , Subject: RE: Next Bike Night @ CarPool Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:31:54 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I can attempt to be there, but it will be late. I cannot leave Crownsville until 7 due to work at the festival. Plus drive time which will make it about 8. Scott -----Original Message----- From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:15 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Next Bike Night @ CarPool Just a heads up to everyone that the next Bike Night will be at CarPool on Sunday, September 8th, 6-10pm. We promise to make sure they set aside reserved parking for motorcycles this time! Due to schedules, Kitchell and I (yes, the same duo that Gimer has alluded to!) weren't able to set anything up for this month. Hope we can get a big turnout for this one. On another note, this might possibly be the last Bike Night that Mark and I organize (depends if we do another one at Grevey's). We've decided that we don't have the time to do this after this year. So anyone in the group want to pick up the ball and run with it??? Chuck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 11:41:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76FfeZ4013887; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:41:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76Ffew3013882; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:41:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 11:41:30 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: MacDa@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Next Bike Day Message-ID: <08BAC35F.6E67F35D.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sounds like fun. I don't THINK I have any plans for that weekend. So far. :-) Saturday would probably be best. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:31:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, MacDa@XXXXXX writes: > > > Would like to know if people are interested in a DC Cycles day at the > Maryland Renaissance Festival. This is a great day to join the fun, have a > few drinks, a couple of turkey legs, shopping, etc...... > > The weekend is Saturday or Sunday, September 28/29, which is going to be a > great weekend there. There are a few things going on at the same time such > as: > > 1. Singles weekend - featured at the festival, should be fun (then you all > can meet JTB if she shows up lol) > 2. AFR weekend - This is a newsgroup that posts with renaissance people > from all over, they schedule an annual invasion of faires. There promises > to be many wenches and rogues, homemade wines and liquors abreast. > 3. The Mediaeval Baebes - This is a female group from the UK that is coming > for a limited time only (sounds like a comercial). > Their link is as follows www.mediaevalbaebes.com/ > > Their is plenty of motorcycle parking up front and a good ride from Rt. 50 > to Rt. 3 to Rt. 450, nice back road. I am also an actor > there but will not > state whom I am nor what I do for the moment. > > Scott Russell > 1984 CB700SC Nighthawk S > > P.S. This a nice day, better not waste it From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 12:19:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76GJtZ4014476; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:19:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76GJs91014466; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:19:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:19:30 -0400 From: "Docs@Shore" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60c) Personal Reply-To: "Docs@Shore" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1176338765.20020806121930@shore.net> To: "Scott R. Russell" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Next Bike Day In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Scott, Tuesday, August 6, 2002, 11:31:53 AM, you wrote: SRR> Would like to know if people are interested in a DC Cycles day at the SRR> Maryland Renaissance Festival. This is a great day to join the fun, have a SRR> few drinks, a couple of turkey legs, shopping, etc...... SRR> The weekend is Saturday or Sunday, September 28/29, which is going to be a SRR> great weekend there. There are a few things going on at the same time such SRR> as: Sounds like a winner to me. I've heard the Mediaeval Baebes CDs, and they are *excellent*. Might even be able to drag a fellow rider or two along, even. Doc <1984 FXR, 1973 XLCH in basket> -- State Officer for Virginia Loudoun County, VA Chapter 156, Southern Cruisers Riding Club #156148 http://www.southerncruisers.net Southern Cruisers, National http://www.geocities.com/scruisers_loudoun/ Chapter 156, VA Website http://www.docsharleypages.com Doc's Harley Pages From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 12:50:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76Go3Z4015360; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:50:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76Go1xj015354; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:50:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: Injured Employee From Bicycle Mishap at JPL Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:47:36 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208061247360M.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I wonder just how fast this guy was travelling. Carl ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Injured Employee From Bicycle Mishap at JPL Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 12:12:06 -0400 From: James Lloyd To: xxx Peter Robles, of the JPL NMO, has reported the following mishap to have occurred at JPL last evening. Information is being sent to the Agency mishap distribution listserver to provide the widest distribution to people that are wanting to be informed of serious mishaps. Incident Summary: At approximately 1733 hours on 5 Aug 02, engine 1 and rescue 1 responded to the North exterior of Bldg. 277 along Explorer road for a reported "man down." JPL fire and rescue crews requested Los Angeles County Fire Department on scene prior to arrival. Upon arrival, fire and rescue crews found patient laying on right lateral side along Explorer Road. JPL fire and rescue crews had JPL security stop and block traffic while crews began to perform primary and secondary assessments. Patient was immediately placed on high flow O2 [oxygen]. Upon assessment, patient was also found to be bleeding from mouth and nose, and had sustained abrasions to upper extremities. Also found was a hematoma on right parietal and a dilated left eye pupil. JPL fire and rescue crews took C-spine precautions and continued the assessment. Patient was able to understand and comply with hand grip motor commands but had no response to foot motor commands or stimulations. Patient was transported code 3 by Los Angeles Fire Department paramedics to Huntington Memorial Hospital for further treatment. Note: Bystanders stated the patient was riding his bicycle east-bound along Explorer Road when a deer reportedly ran out in front of him. The patient turned to avoid deer, lost control of front wheel and fell off the bicycle, landing on his back. He reportedly slid on his back for approximately 25 feet coming to rest on his right side. Jim ------------------------------------------------------- -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 14:08:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76I87Z4015938; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:08:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76I864h015930; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:08:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B9A9@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Motorcyclist dies on `Dragon' Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:12:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Motorcyclist dies on `Dragon' http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/100998 2002-08-05 by Erin Hudson of The Daily Times Staff A Florida man was killed Sunday afternoon on Calderwood Highway when he lost control of his motorcycle and plunged down an embankment. Lendry R. Obanna Jr., 24, of Jacksonville, Fla., was driving his 2000 Yamaha R6 on north Calderwood Highway near Parson Branch Road around 12:30 p.m. Sunday. He apparently lost control while negotiating a curve approximately three miles north of the North Carolina line, Tennessee Highway Patrol State Trooper Phil Little said. The motorcycle left the roadway and went down a 50-foot embankment. Obanna was hurled into a tree, Little said. Obanna was wearing a helmet, but suffered severe internal injuries in the crash. According to Eric Overton with the Blount County Rescue Squad, three paramedics from the squad attempted to revive Obanna, who had been pulled up the embankment to the roadway by other motorcyclists. ``Unfortunately, our guys arrived too late to do anything for him,'' Overton said. Rural/Metro Ambulance Service personnel, Blount County firefighters and Blount County Sheriff's deputies assisted the Tennessee Highway Patrol at the accident scene. Obanna's accident marks the second motorcycle fatality on the Dragon in 2002. The Dragon is the stretch of U.S. 129/Calderwood Highway from Tabcat Bridge to Deal's Gap at the Tennessee/North Carolina line. The stretch is famous to motorcyclists for its 318 curves in 11 miles. Obanna's death is the 12th vehicular fatality in Blount County in 2002. [Smokies Traveler] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 14:56:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76Iu0Z4016242; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:56:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76ItxOn016235; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:55:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:58:52 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tire mounting around Reston? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mother F$#()*#! crap... I got another flat, second this year. This time its a small nail. I discoverd it while washing the bike after a nice long ride, made some really nice bubbles. Already have the tire on the way, just need someone to mount and balance it. I think the VFR wheel is a little different in that it requires some special adapter for balancing? Anyone know where to get this done for a reasonable charge around Reston? Thanks, Dan -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 15:17:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76JHlZ4016416; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:17:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76JHjnD016405; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:17:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <412002826192134920@earthlink.net> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 0 X-EM-Registration: #3003520714B31D032830 X-Priority: Reply-To: fgrefe@XXXXXX X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 5.0.6.8 (Windows) From: "Fred Grefe" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: tire mounting around Reston? Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:21:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > just need someone to mount and balance it. I think the VFR wheel is a > little different in that it requires some special adapter for balancing? If this is your rear wheel go to an automotive shop. I take my front wheel (single sided swingarm) to Costco for changes. They charge about $7-8 for mounting, balancing, and disposal of the old one. --- Fred Grefe GTS1000 - for From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 16:25:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g76KPkZ4017320; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:25:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g76KPjBH017312; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:25:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <412002826202626440@earthlink.net> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 0 X-EM-Registration: #3003520714B31D032830 X-Priority: Reply-To: fastandwily@XXXXXX X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 5.0.6.8 (Windows) From: "Scott Luttrell " To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: tire mounting around Reston? Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:26:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Mother F$#()*#! crap... I got another flat, second this year. This time > its a small nail. I discoverd it while washing the bike after a nice long > ride, made some really nice bubbles. Already have the tire on the way, > just need someone to mount and balance it. I think the VFR wheel is a > little different in that it requires some special adapter for balancing? > Anyone know where to get this done for a reasonable charge around Reston? > > Thanks, > > Dan > > -- It's almost always the rear tire that grabs the nail. The front (cheaper) tire runs over the same pavement and yet somehow its the mid section of the rear ($$$) Scott Luttrell Fast & Wily Racing fastandwily@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 20:58:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g770wEZ4019081; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:58:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g770wDio019077; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:58:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <135.127934ce.2a81ca96@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:57:58 EDT Subject: Re: Motorcyclist dies on `Dragon' To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/6/2002 2:08:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: > ``Unfortunately, our guys arrived too late to do anything for him,'' Overton > said. Lesson here? Learn First Aid and CPR and be ready to use it. I keep a First Aid kit (including CPR mask) in the tail of my bike. Not a brag, just pointing out how small they can be. You just never know when a buddy will need your help. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 21:03:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77135Z4019288; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:03:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77135LY019281; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:03:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:03:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcyclist dies on `Dragon' In-Reply-To: <135.127934ce.2a81ca96@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Aug 2002 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/6/2002 2:08:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: > > > ``Unfortunately, our guys arrived too late to do anything for him,'' Overton > > said. > > Lesson here? > Learn First Aid and CPR and be ready to use it. I keep a First Aid kit > (including CPR mask) in the tail of my bike. Not a brag, just pointing out > how small they can be. You just never know when a buddy will need your help. >From the 'Busa message board, a thread about the deaths... http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=013172 -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 21:03:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7713SZ4019325; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:03:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7713SrI019317; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:03:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <190.b0b8b7f.2a81cbd7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:03:19 EDT Subject: Re: tire mounting around Reston? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/6/2002 4:26:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fastandwily@XXXXXX writes: > It's almost always the rear tire that grabs the nail. The front (cheaper) > tire runs over the same pavement and yet somehow its the mid section of the > rear ($$$) Nail just lays there on its side, front tire hits it throws it spinning into the rear tire, hisssssssss and lots of cussing. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 22:30:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g772UJZ4019962; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:30:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g772UHfS019958; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:30:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020807023014.44726.qmail@web20704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:30:14 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Help finding AWOL Ventura bag and rack To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Somewhere on or just south of the 14th street bridge on 395 northbound my ventura rack flew off. Some cars behind me beeped and informed me of that but I didn't see it when I went back to look. So if anybody spots it (should be on left side of road on main 395 (not HOV)) and picks it up, a quantity of your favorite beverage will be provided. Thanks for looking. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 22:59:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g772xVZ4020228; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:59:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g772xVor020223; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:59:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "Lori Wilson" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: nags head - and other weekend destinations. Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:59:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020806092246.03bc59b0@mail.ncifcrf.gov> Me! Me! I'll also be riding the south track Friday (afternoon). I'll be wearing my black perfed vanson leathers and riding my black R1100RT. Maybe I'll see you there. LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com Lori Wilson said: I'm off to VIR Thurs night. Will be riding the south track on Friday and watching the races on Sat and Sun.... Anyone else gonna be at VIR?? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 23:12:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g773CcZ4020450; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:12:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g773CbLm020445; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:12:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [207.172.11.147] From: "Marc Washington" To: ljtanner@XXXXXX, wilsonl@XXXXXX Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: nags head - and other weekend destinations. Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 23:11:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2002 03:11:30.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[209ADB70:01C23DC0] >From: "LindaT." >To: "Lori Wilson" >Me! Me! I'll also be riding the south track Friday (afternoon). I'll be I'll be there Thursday through Sunday. Myself and a few friends will be there with a camper all weekend. I'm not bringing my though so I won't be riding :( Anyway, If you sea a bald guy with red beard/Goatee acting like an idiot near a camper stop by folks! How many others are going _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 6 23:55:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g773tqZ4020904; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:55:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g773tpMJ020895; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:55:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020806235400.0311e8b0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rmeyer9@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 23:55:44 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Motorcyclist dies on `Dragon' In-Reply-To: References: <135.127934ce.2a81ca96@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:03 PM 8/6/02 -0700, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Tue, 6 Aug 2002 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/6/2002 2:08:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > ``Unfortunately, our guys arrived too late to do anything for him,'' > Overton > > > said. > > > > Lesson here? > > Learn First Aid and CPR and be ready to use it. I keep a First Aid kit > > (including CPR mask) in the tail of my bike. Not a brag, just pointing out > > how small they can be. You just never know when a buddy will need your > help. Lesson! Hell, the guy slammed into a tree at (presumably) high speed. He had severe internal injuries. CPR wasn't going to save this guy. The real lesson ought to be not to ride over your head. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 00:19:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g774JOZ4021158; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:19:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g774JNOW021153; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:19:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020807041920.8735.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:19:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: RE: nags head - and other weekend destinations. To: Marc Washington , ljtanner@XXXXXX, wilsonl@XXXXXX Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll be there Fri. - Sun. with the wife and kids. no bike, just my green F150 SuperCrew Todd --- Marc Washington wrote: > > > > >From: "LindaT." > >To: "Lori Wilson" > > >Me! Me! I'll also be riding the south track > Friday (afternoon). I'll be > > I'll be there Thursday through Sunday. Myself and a > few friends will be > there with a camper all weekend. I'm not bringing > my though so I won't be > riding :( > > Anyway, If you sea a bald guy with red beard/Goatee > acting like an idiot > near a camper stop by folks! > > How many others are going > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 00:26:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g774QNZ4021363; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:26:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g774QMQm021356; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:26:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:28:54 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Bob Meyer cc: Wayne Edelen , Subject: Re: Motorcyclist dies on `Dragon' In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020806235400.0311e8b0@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >The real > lesson ought to be not to ride over your head. > > Bob > If we are going to get into "lessons", one I don't see metioned often enough is to leave a margin for error. A lot of the recent serious wrecks in the twisties I've read about have been experienced riders, who I'm sure felt confident about the turn they were in, but they misjudged. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 08:10:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77CApZ4023917; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:10:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77CAoNN023908; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:10:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'ricardo@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dccycles'" Subject: Nags Head Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:10:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ricardo Pontes" <> To: "> Subject: RE: nags head Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:16:56 -0400 Where is nags head? Sounds disgusting! Ricardo =============================== Nags Head (Outer Banks) is in North Carolina 60 or 70 miles south of the Virginia Beach area. History lesson: Back in the old days the pirates used to run a "nag" (Horse) up and down the sand dunes with a lantern tied around the neck of the animal. This was to simulate a ship in a the rough seas around the outer banks (which is the typical sea state). Anyway... ships farther out would think a ship was closer in and head in under the assumption that it was "good" water... when in fact they would go aground and the pirates would row out and ransack the cargo. Hence the name Nags Head.... Kitty Hawk is right there... where the Wright Brothers took their first flights... they picked the area because of the prevailing winds. It USED to be a beautiful place to go.... just 20 years ago if you went south to Cape Hatteras, you had better pack your own groceries or you didn't eat! I used to ride down there and camp a lot, at the time I was living in Elizabeth City NC so it was a 2 hour ride down a deserted beach road... the mosquitoes were absolutely terrible... netting was a must have item in the saddlebags. The developers moved in and built is up considerably, now it's just a traffic jam in the summer and pretty much boarded up after that... The Blue fish used to run there but I hear the Blue fishing has slacked off the last 4 or 5 years. However the Bluefish have disappeared before. Back in the 30's they left for other feeding areas and it wasn't until like 1962 that they returned in force. So for 30+ years they were in that area strong, during their migration cycle. Probably more than you wanted to know. Oh... and sandy chains with rusty chrome was the norm in that area. gb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 08:55:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77CtwZ4024290; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:55:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77Ctvxf024282; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:55:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020807085657.03a31180@mail.ncifcrf.gov> X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 08:58:25 -0700 To: "LindaT." From: Lori Wilson Subject: RE: VIR destination South track :) Cc: "DC-CYCLES" In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020806092246.03bc59b0@mail.ncifcrf.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'll be wearing my grey and black custom suit from Barnicle bill. (with my name on it)...and riding an Aprilia Mille, Falco and Futura.... But my bright yellow VFR will be track side too... At 10:59 PM 8/6/02 -0400, LindaT. wrote: >Me! Me! I'll also be riding the south track Friday (afternoon). I'll be >wearing my black perfed vanson leathers and riding my black R1100RT. > >Maybe I'll see you there. > >LindaT. >Custom TankBags >Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings >Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) >AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW >99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy >95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) >00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing >http://www.customtankbags.com > >Lori Wilson said: > > >I'm off to VIR Thurs night. Will be riding the south track on Friday and >watching the races on Sat and Sun.... >Anyone else gonna be at VIR?? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 08:58:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77Cw5Z4024453; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:58:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77Cw5U8024445; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:58:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 7 Aug 2002 12:58:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20020807125804.29473.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nags Head X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) GB instructs us - >Nags Head (Outer Banks) is in North Carolina 60 or 70 miles south of the >Virginia Beach area. >History lesson: Back in the old days the pirates used to run a "nag" >(Horse) up and down the sand dunes with a lantern tied around the neck of >the animal. This was to simulate a ship in a the rough seas around the >outer banks (which is the typical sea state). Anyway... ships farther out >would think a ship was closer in and head in under the assumption that it >was "good" water... when in fact they would go aground and the pirates >would row out and ransack the cargo. Hence the name Nags Head.... Kitty >Hawk is right there... where the Wright Brothers took their first >flights... they picked the area because of the prevailing winds. [Dave] OB encompasses (some consider Duck), Kill Devil Hills, Kitty Hawk, Nags Head, ?????? & Manteo has some sound side property. >It USED to be a beautiful place to go.... just 20 years ago if you went >south to Cape Hatteras, you had better pack your own groceries or you didn't >eat! [Dave] It *STILL IS* a beautiful place to go. One year, I drove from Nags Head, through Ocracoke via the 2 ferrys past Oak Island down to Cape Lookout. Because it looked like an all day affair, I left early. Good thing, it was an all day affair, and the only place to get gas before the Ocracoke ferry thank goodness had credit card 'pay at the pump' islands - $50 reserve be DAMNED ;-) I used to ride down there and camp a lot, at the time I was living in >Elizabeth City NC so it was a 2 hour ride down a deserted beach road... the >mosquitoes were absolutely terrible... netting was a must have item in the >saddlebags. The developers moved in and built is up considerably, now it's >just a traffic jam in the summer and pretty much boarded up after that... [Dave] I must stick up & defend Nags Head (my honeymoon town !). Traffic is NOWHERE NEAR Ocean $hitty levels, you can actually do the 50 mph speed limit on the main strip (12?). Nags Head beaches are Dog Friendly too (for responsible pet owners that don't allow their animals to leave gifts.. ) Kill Devil Hills is not... 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 09:11:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77DBjZ4024689; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:11:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77DBi92024680; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:11:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:11:37 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664090E1@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: VIR destination South track :) Thread-Index: AcI+Eob273HHcrcmQa2esZLc/rDGBgAALAdp From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g77DBhZ4024668 I would like to tranport a bike from Philly to DC. I found exactly what I wanted, for the price I wanted :) I have no car, so this would have to involve a rented vehicle. I was thinking of renting a small/mid size Uhaul/Ryder truck, as they have lower profile and have ramps? But how do I secure the bike once I get it inside? Does anyone have any suggestions/advice? Witold From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 09:26:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77DQrZ4024922; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:26:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77DQrIt024917; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:26:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005b01c23e15$f866b0b0$561452a4@D7LVNR01> Reply-To: "Patti Rodgers" From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664090E1@rnc1.rnchq.org> Subject: Re: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:25:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 >>I have no car, so this would have to involve a rented vehicle. I was thinking of renting a small/mid size >>Uhaul/Ryder truck, as they have lower profile and have ramps? But how do I secure the bike once I >>get it inside? Witold, If you rent a pickup truck from UHaul, you can rent additionally a motorcycle trailer. I believe it is about $15 more. You have to let them know ahead of time but I've never had a problem getting one when I needed it. They will mount the hitch to the truck and attach the trailer for you. All you have to do is drive away. IMHO it's worth $15 simply to not have to push the bike up a ramp! Once the bike is in the trailer you can tie it down using nylon tie-down straps. I've used clothesline (nylon) as well with no problems. Make sure there is no slack in the line once the bike is tied down. I do this by wrapping the line around itself, which pulls everything tighter. Since you are probably going to be on I-95 you'll be going fast and will need to secure the bike accordingly... pass the line through the grab bar at least once (assuming the bike has a grab bar); through the forks, etc. To make sure it is road-ready you can push on the bike a bit and see if it gives. We've brought bikes back from as far as Kansas this way, with no problems. ANother alternative: if you are confident in the bike being mechanically sound, and in your abilities, you can get "transport tags" from any insurance agent in PA. Ask the seller to pick them up for you. It allows you to ride the bike on the street for 48 hours with the registration not yet transferred from the seller. Kind of like standard DMV temporary tags but you have not made it to the DMV yet. Take a bus or train up, ask the seller to meet you somewhere near where you come in, and ride the bike back. Good luck! -patti '95 Yamaha Virago '69 BSA FireBird From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 09:29:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77DTdZ4025124; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:29:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77DTdFg025115; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:29:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: Witold@XXXXXX Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:28:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2002 13:28:33.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[538EDF30:01C23E16] I'm assuming you have other stuff to bring down, or riding it here would be the best solution. Otherwise, get yourself some good soft ties and tie downs. Most of these trucks (that I've seen) have some kind of rails on the walls. You can use these to wrap the tie downs to and then hook on to the soft ties your wrap around the bike's handlebars or triple clamp and rear peg mounts or other handles, if it has them. Then take it easy on the road, and stop to check it out every so often. Just my two cents. What kind of bike is it? Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" CC: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:11:37 -0400 I would like to tranport a bike from Philly to DC. I found exactly what I wanted, for the price I wanted :) I have no car, so this would have to involve a rented vehicle. I was thinking of renting a small/mid size Uhaul/Ryder truck, as they have lower profile and have ramps? But how do I secure the bike once I get it inside? Does anyone have any suggestions/advice? Witold _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 09:42:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77DgOZ4025338; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:42:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77DgOml025334; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:42:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:42:17 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664090E2@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Transporting a bike Thread-Index: AcI+FlVZKie1ZlfoRk2UnhPCIhKK1wAAPWHt From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g77DgMZ4025322 >What kind of bike is it? It's an R6. I've never had to transport a bike before, and tying it down with straps just makes me nervous :) I don't really know where the straps should go, how many I need, and how to determine if my work will *hold* for the 250miles or so :) That's why I was considering getting one of those rear wheel stands, and tying the bike down inside a Uhaul truck.... Witold -----Original Message----- From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] Sent: Wed 8/7/2002 9:28 AM To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Transporting a bike I'm assuming you have other stuff to bring down, or riding it here would be the best solution. Otherwise, get yourself some good soft ties and tie downs. Most of these trucks (that I've seen) have some kind of rails on the walls. You can use these to wrap the tie downs to and then hook on to the soft ties your wrap around the bike's handlebars or triple clamp and rear peg mounts or other handles, if it has them. Then take it easy on the road, and stop to check it out every so often. Just my two cents. What kind of bike is it? Rob '98 VFR800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 09:45:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77DjPZ4025525; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:45:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77DjOFG025521; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:45:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:48:03 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Rob Keiser cc: Witold@XXXXXX, Subject: Re: Transporting a bike In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Otherwise, get yourself some good soft ties and tie downs. Most of these > trucks (that I've seen) have some kind of rails on the walls. You can use > these to wrap the tie downs to and then hook on to the soft ties your wrap Problem is these are on the walls. You really want something on the floor. The guy I sold my V-star to brought up an enclosed trailer from u-haul. We had a tough time securing the bike. I think the motorcycle trailer is going to be the best option. I'm a big fan of tying down the bars and compressing the front wheel against the front wall/rail. You might need to make special considerations based on the actual bike in regards to straping it down. I know my vfr needs a canyon dancer like setup to not damage the body work. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 09:49:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77DnoZ4025699; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:49:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77DnoFm025692; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:49:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tire mounting around Reston? Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:59:51 -0400 Message-ID: References: <190.b0b8b7f.2a81cbd7@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <190.b0b8b7f.2a81cbd7@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g77DnnZ4025680 So we should install little rubber flaps on our belly pans then? On Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:03:19 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/6/2002 4:26:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >fastandwily@XXXXXX writes: > >> It's almost always the rear tire that grabs the nail. The front (cheaper) >> tire runs over the same pavement and yet somehow its the mid section of the >> rear ($$$) > >Nail just lays there on its side, front tire hits it throws it spinning into >the rear tire, hisssssssss and lots of cussing. > > >John. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 09:51:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77DpfZ4025866; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:51:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77Dpf5g025860; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:51:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: "'DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:48:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I'd skip U-Haul and look into renting a Ranger or other pick-up from someone like Enterprise. The last time I did it the rental was $19.95 a day for unlimited miles. If you can manage to rent a pick-up I would buy some tie-downs. There are two varieties that are commonly available: the rachet and non-rachet types. I actually prefer the non-ratchet type as that avoids the tendency to over-tighten and break any pieces. With the bike (via a ramp---I'm sure I or someone I know could loan/rent you one for the day) on the truck I usually hook or loop the tie-downs to the bars and anchor the other ends to the front corner of the truck bed. I then compress the shocks completely and shake the bike to see if it's stable. You can add additional tie downs to the rear or other parts of the frame but it is not usually necessary. When you first take off down the block, I suggest rapidly turning the wheel back and forth while keeping an eye on the bike. Either you'll have to look in the mirror or your passenger can watch. If you notice too much wobbling or anything, then stop the truck and re-tighten the straps otherwise you're ready to head home. When unloading the bike be careful when you undo the tie-downs and have someone steady the bike lest the bike decide it would be much happier leaning against the bed of the truck. Feel free to ask if you have any questions. Wellesley Subject: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:11:37 -0400 I would like to tranport a bike from Philly to DC. I found exactly what I wanted, for the price I wanted :) I have no car, so this would have to involve a rented vehicle. I was thinking of renting a small/mid size Uhaul/Ryder truck, as they have lower profile and have ramps? But how do I secure the bike once I get it inside? Does anyone have any suggestions/advice? Witold _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 10:20:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77EKUZ4026212; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:20:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77EKTGo026204; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:20:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" Subject: Re: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:18:12 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664090E1@rnc1.rnchq.org> In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664090E1@rnc1.rnchq.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208071018120Y.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Unfortunately I can't remember the magazine but there was an article in a recent motorcycle magazine (Hot Bikes or one of those) on transporting bikes. Basically use a 4x4 block of wood under the frame. Cinch down the frontend, maybe at the handle bars and head mount (2 sets of straps) If you think it needs it, a second 4x4 block under the back part of the frame. Cinch down the backend, again with two sets of straps. There was a couple of more suggestions but I liked the 4x4 idea. You can cinch the bike down tight without blowing out the shocks. Carl On Wednesday 07 August 2002 09:11, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > I would like to tranport a bike from Philly to DC. I found exactly what I > wanted, for the price I wanted :) > > I have no car, so this would have to involve a rented vehicle. I was > thinking of renting a small/mid size Uhaul/Ryder truck, as they have lower > profile and have ramps? But how do I secure the bike once I get it inside? > > Does anyone have any suggestions/advice? > > Witold > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 10:29:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77ETQZ4026513; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:29:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77ETPTr026508; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:29:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:32:12 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Carl Schelin cc: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Transporting a bike In-Reply-To: <0208071018120Y.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > There was a couple of more suggestions but I liked the 4x4 idea. You can > cinch the bike down tight without blowing out the shocks. > > Carl > How can you blow out the shocks when people do stoppies all day long and somehow their shocks still work dandy? I'm thinkin shock blowouts from tieing the bike down is an urban legend. I guess I'll stop when I get my first blow out. Till then.... Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 10:43:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77EhMZ4026651; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:43:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77EhLk5026646; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:43:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007c01c23e20$a62d56e0$561452a4@D7LVNR01> Reply-To: "Patti Rodgers" From: "Patti Rodgers" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:42:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 http://www.chariot-trailer.com/biketie.htm This site is definitely trying to sell you *their* straps and stuff, but the advice and method is basically the same. Some good pointers here! RE: renting a pickup from Enterprise, etc... that's a good idea, because it is a lot less expensive than paying by the mile from U-Haul. Last time I rented a pickup truck, though, it came with a hard metal cover for the bed. The rental place did not provide keys for it and I did not think to ask for them. I didn't really need to haul anything but if I had, I would have been in major trouble! If this is the route you're gonna go, make sure you can unlock that cover! -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 10:45:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77EjqZ4026698; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:45:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77EjqM3026692; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:45:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F20F@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:46:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Why can't the bike be ridden back??? I've ridden to Philly before, sure there's no twisties... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 10:47:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77ElMZ4026743; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:47:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77ElLVJ026737; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:47:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:44:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" RE: the cover on the trucks... It can be removed in 15 minutes with a set of allen keys or a socket set. Some may use torques but I haven't seen those in some time. -----Original Message----- From: Patti Rodgers [mailto:mprodgers@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:42 AM To: Witold@XXXXXX Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Transporting a bike http://www.chariot-trailer.com/biketie.htm This site is definitely trying to sell you *their* straps and stuff, but the advice and method is basically the same. Some good pointers here! RE: renting a pickup from Enterprise, etc... that's a good idea, because it is a lot less expensive than paying by the mile from U-Haul. Last time I rented a pickup truck, though, it came with a hard metal cover for the bed. The rental place did not provide keys for it and I did not think to ask for them. I didn't really need to haul anything but if I had, I would have been in major trouble! If this is the route you're gonna go, make sure you can unlock that cover! -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 10:49:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77EnRZ4026931; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:49:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77EnQcu026926; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:49:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tire plugs Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:59:28 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g77EnPZ4026909 pull patch/plug mushroom plug standard plug oppinions? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 10:50:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77EoOZ4026977; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:50:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77EoNe6026971; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:50:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:46:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I rode to Philly last month and it was a perfect ride. The ride from Philly to Carlisle thereafter was boring as hell. I'd rather ride 95. -----Original Message----- From: Rich Hall [mailto:RichH@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:47 AM To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Transporting a bike Why can't the bike be ridden back??? I've ridden to Philly before, sure there's no twisties... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 10:52:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77Eq3Z4027156; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:52:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77Eq2aI027149; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:52:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:52:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Transporting a bike In-Reply-To: <007c01c23e20$a62d56e0$561452a4@D7LVNR01> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Patti Rodgers wrote: > Last time I rented a pickup truck, though, it came with a hard metal > cover for the bed. The rental place did not provide keys for it and I > did not think to ask for them. I didn't really need to haul anything > but if I had, I would have been in major trouble! I hesitate to ask, but why would you rent a pickup if you didn't actually need to haul anything? Sheer badass value? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 10:54:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77Es8Z4027320; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:54:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77Es8WQ027313; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:54:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:53:56 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664DB021@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Transporting a bike Thread-Index: AcI+ITRy1aQQg7WzQiu4v2YwZEYTuQAAGOTg From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g77Es7Z4027298 >Why can't the bike be ridden back??? I've ridden to Philly before, sure >there's no twisties... Since it's my first bike and I expect to put in some major parking lot hours learning how to ride it. I thought I would skip that part, however, as I'm already set on getting this bike and I'm interested in learning how to transport it, not whether I should get it in the first place :) Witold From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 10:56:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77EukZ4027514; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:56:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77EujBn027508; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:56:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F214@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:57:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Being an R6 I assumed it wasn't a first bike. Rich Still '94 Seca II -----Original Message----- From: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services [mailto:Witold@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:54 AM To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Transporting a bike >Why can't the bike be ridden back??? I've ridden to Philly before, sure >there's no twisties... Since it's my first bike and I expect to put in some major parking lot hours learning how to ride it. I thought I would skip that part, however, as I'm already set on getting this bike and I'm interested in learning how to transport it, not whether I should get it in the first place :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 10:58:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77EwKZ4027556; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:58:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77EwK2V027548; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:58:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dan Subject: Re: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:55:40 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Cc: DC-CYCLES References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02080710554011.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 07 August 2002 10:32, dan wrote: > > There was a couple of more suggestions but I liked the 4x4 idea. You can > > cinch the bike down tight without blowing out the shocks. > > > > Carl > > How can you blow out the shocks when people do stoppies all day long and > somehow their shocks still work dandy? I'm thinkin shock blowouts from > tieing the bike down is an urban legend. I guess I'll stop when I get my > first blow out. Till then.... > > Dan No idea. Maybe it is an urban legend. I've never transported a bike via trailer or pickup. I have had the front fork seals bail on me way back in the '70's. I don't recall why though; probably through weather. Since it was in a magazine article instead of on usenet, I figured it was reasonably accurate. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 10:59:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77ExFZ4027722; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:59:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77ExE5Z027717; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:59:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a101c23e22$da683db0$561452a4@D7LVNR01> Reply-To: "Patti Rodgers" From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:58:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 >>I hesitate to ask, but why would you rent a pickup if you didn't actually >>need to haul anything? Sheer badass value It was on sale or something, cheaper than renting a car by about $10 a day. I was out of town for 10 days and needed to rent something. It worked out well, I was in Louisiana and got to go drive it around the bayous. No 4WD but had enough clearance that I could go some places a car couldn't. Alas, not like the glory days of sinking my Blazer in 4 feet of water, but fun anyway. -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 10:59:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77ExlZ4027768; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:59:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77ExlbD027760; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:59:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:59:38 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664DB022@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Transporting a bike Thread-Index: AcI+Ig32QspmP52JQeaV4+su5/guCAAAKegQ From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "DC-Cycles" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g77ExkZ4027748 On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Patti Rodgers wrote: >> Last time I rented a pickup truck, though, it came with a hard metal >> cover for the bed. The rental place did not provide keys for it and I >> did not think to ask for them. I didn't really need to haul anything >> but if I had, I would have been in major trouble! >I hesitate to ask, but why would you rent a pickup if you didn't actually >need to haul anything? Sheer badass value? >Fish. I try to rent pickups whenever I can. Generally, they are cheap but much better than the little Geo Metro/Cavaliers that are in the same price range. Also, since some people actually need them to transport something, you have a better chance of being upgraded. Witold From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 11:02:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77F2tZ4028068; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:02:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77F2tHs028063; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:02:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:02:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Pickups In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664DB022@rnc1.rnchq.org> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII While we're on the topic of pickups, I have an idle question for y'all. Does a pickup bed need to be much longer than the wheelbase to fit a bike? Now that I have a bike and a house, the next big purchase is a trailerable sailboat, but I'll need something to tow the damn thing with. May as well make certain whatever pickup I end up with can haul bikes in the back as well. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 11:21:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77FLvZ4028258; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:21:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77FLuSr028248; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:21:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" Cc: Subject: Re: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 11:31:57 -0400 Message-ID: References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664DB021@rnc1.rnchq.org> In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664DB021@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g77FLtZ4028236 I came in late on this... You're buying your first bike, and R6 from philly and going to rent a truck to bring it home.. right? I guess you don't have a lot of miles under your belt? Is the bike new or used? I guess it's cheap therefor worth the trip to philly? have you taken the Motorcycle Safety class? If you've got some miles under your belt, say 500, on another bike, I'd say you're probably capable of riding the r6 home. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 11:31:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77FVeZ4028479; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:31:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77FVeqb028475; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:31:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:31:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Err, new bike. In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F21A@SERVER1> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Someone emailed me privately, asking what bike I'd gotten, but I deleted the email by mistake, then forgot who it was. Oops. Anyway, for whoever you were (and anyone else who's curious), I bought a GS500 from Matt Patton, who is an extremely nice and helpful fellow, no matter how much he proselytizes small-cc bikes. :) Fish. http://home.uchicago.edu/~fish/bike/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 11:32:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77FWtZ4028523; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:32:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77FWs8T028519; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:32:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:32:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Transporting a bike In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > I guess you don't have a lot of miles under your belt? > Is the bike new or used? > I guess it's cheap therefor worth the trip to philly? > have you taken the Motorcycle Safety class? > > If you've got some miles under your belt, say 500, on another bike, > I'd say you're probably capable of riding the r6 home. Or maybe you could convince someone you know (or another list member) to drive up with you and they could ride the motorcycle back to the DC area? The weather is nice this week/weekend, it might be a good excuse for one of our unemployed listers to get out of the house ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 11:33:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77FXjZ4028569; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:33:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77FXjA1028562; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:33:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:33:36 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664DB025@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Transporting a bike Thread-Index: AcI+JiosHnv2Akx/SiKZBS4rTwAiFgAAHlkg From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g77FXhZ4028545 >You're buying your first bike, and R6 from philly and going to rent a truck to bring it home.. >right? That's correct. Is the bike new or used? >The bike is a 2002, but it has 2000 miles on it and some scratches from a tip over on back part of the bike. I guess it's cheap therefor worth the trip to philly? >Bingo! Plus, my sister lives in Cherry Hill (right outside Philly) so I can work in a visit as >well. >have you taken the Motorcycle Safety class? I actually ended up taking the MSF class twice -- and passed with no problems both times. I also took some private instruction from Larry Grodsky, (stayinsafe.com) but as I said above, I don't have 500 miles under my belt. I wouldn't feel comfortable riding any bike, let alone a R6, without frame sliders and before at least running through some basic MSF drills. That's why I don't want to ride it home :) Witold From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 11:34:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77FY1Z4028604; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:34:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77FY02o028600; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:34:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Sandler, Mike" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: tire plugs Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:21:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sport riding - replace tire Cruising / touring - repair ...imo -----Original Message----- From: Motor PsychoL Danny [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:59 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tire plugs pull patch/plug mushroom plug standard plug oppinions? *********************************************** Confidentiality Note: This E-mail is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 11:34:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77FYEZ4028644; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:34:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77FYDNl028638; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:34:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020807153400.30831.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:34:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Pickups To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Does a pickup bed need to be much longer than the > wheelbase to fit a bike? Initially my answer was going to be "Yes, it does need to be much longer than the wheelbase since the wheelbase is the distance between the axles of the bike." But, the bike doesn't have to be straight in the bed, it can sit diagonally. A 6' bed that's 4 and a half feet wide has a diagonal length of 7 and 1/2 ft. An 8ft bed that's 4 and a half feet wide would have a diagonal length of 9'2" Assuming bike wheels are about 2ft tall, you'd need another 2ft of bed to fit the bike into it (the front half of the front wheel + the back half of the back wheel.) So a quick rule of thumb would be bed length should be a foot longer than the wheelbase of the bike. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 11:38:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77Fc9Z4028707; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:38:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77Fc9ak028703; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:38:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:38:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Pickups In-Reply-To: <20020807153400.30831.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Leon Begeman wrote: > --- Fish Flowers wrote: > > Does a pickup bed need to be much longer than the > > wheelbase to fit a bike? > > Assuming bike wheels are about 2ft tall, you'd need > another 2ft of bed to fit the bike into it (the front > half of the front wheel + the back half of the back > wheel.) So a quick rule of thumb would be bed length > should be a foot longer than the wheelbase of the > bike. > > Leon. Couldn't you also transport it with the tailgate down? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 11:38:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77FceZ4028751; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:38:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77FceN8028744; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:38:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 7 Aug 2002 15:38:31 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilsonl@XXXXXX Cc: ljtanner@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: VIR AMA this weekend X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 08:38:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.11-9 Message-Id: <20020807083831.24143.h011.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> Roach, Sean Jordan, and I will be there this weekend. We'll be stationed in the roller coaster the whole weekend, so look for us there! Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 11:40:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77Fe6Z4028927; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:40:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77Fe6lH028922; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:40:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 11:39:55 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Transporting a bike Message-ID: <54AA5BE5.4572BBA2.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit rent a pick-up truck, buy some tie-downs, and buy cannon-dancers for the handle bars. here is ths link: http://www.canyondancer.com/ i throw my bike in the back of pick-up trucks all the time with no problems to my bike. btw i have an R6. so there is nothing to worry about... -Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 11:47:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77FlAZ4029007; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:47:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77FlAih029002; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:47:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020807154707.58531.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:47:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Transporting a bike To: Motor PsychoL Danny , Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > If you've got some miles under your belt, say 500, > on another bike, > I'd say you're probably capable of riding the r6 > home. I NEVER ride a new bike home. I don't trust it yet. I've done that twice in the last 20 years. The first bike had water in the fuel and it took 20 minutes on the side of the road to get the damned thing running again. The second one had a nail in the tire and the tire went flat on the way home - the last couple of miles weren't much fun. Of course, in my case that's usually a pretty easy rule to keep since I seldom buy a bike that would run anyway. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 11:49:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77FnjZ4029172; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:49:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77Fniu8029163; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:49:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 11:49:32 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Transporting a bike Message-ID: <0EA409BC.0BAE76F6.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yeah, the r6 makes a bad first bike. give it to me and i'll loan you my huffy until you feel comfy on the huffy. :P j/k... remember to take it easy and have fun. the bike is a joy to ride. let me know when you get the bike, we could do a small group ride w/ other R6ers and/or other non-R6 riders. -mark In a message dated Wed, 7 Aug 2002 9:57:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: > > > Being an R6 I assumed it wasn't a first bike. > Rich > Still '94 Seca II > > -----Original Message----- > From: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services > [mailto:Witold@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:54 AM > To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Transporting a bike > > > >Why can't the bike be ridden back??? I've ridden to Philly before, sure > >there's no twisties... > > Since it's my first bike and I expect to put in some major parking lot hours > learning how to ride it. I thought I would skip that part, however, as I'm > already set on getting this bike and I'm interested in learning how to > transport it, not whether I should get it in the first > place :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 11:55:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77Ft8Z4029354; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:55:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77Ft88l029350; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:55:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 11:54:54 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pickups Message-ID: <41A0F449.7C1502FF.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I do it all the time... -Mark In a message dated Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:38:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > > Couldn't you also transport it with the tailgate down? > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 11:59:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77FxvZ4029533; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:59:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77Fxu9u029527; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:59:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F232@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:00:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" We all know the R6 rides involve lots of crashes, don't take him on one of them! Keep your Huffy, I already offered to trade him the Seca II. -----Original Message----- From: STmaven@XXXXXX [mailto:STmaven@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:50 AM To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Transporting a bike yeah, the r6 makes a bad first bike. give it to me and i'll loan you my huffy until you feel comfy on the huffy. :P j/k... remember to take it easy and have fun. the bike is a joy to ride. let me know when you get the bike, we could do a small group ride w/ other R6ers and/or other non-R6 riders. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 12:06:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77G6CZ4029842; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:06:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77G6C9h029837; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:06:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:08:49 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Fish Flowers cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Pickups In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > While we're on the topic of pickups, I have an idle question for y'all. > Does a pickup bed need to be much longer than the wheelbase to fit a bike? As long as its not one of the new crew cabs with the short bed (<6ft), you should be ok. I've got a Tundra and have put a Harley Road King, a V-star 1100, YZF-600R, and VFR in it without any problems. I do leave the tailgate down for all of them. One thing to keep in mind though bed heigth, mine is 36", I need ramps with a bit of curve to them. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 12:19:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77GJ4Z4030183; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:19:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77GJ4AO030179; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:19:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYLDmogVaqNmku1pvtXaQzpqpeaFsmMxlOzOOjBcqEXLPpy0sY5pHuF0WxfieGCkwc= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: why do the 4x4 when bike hauling Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:19:48 -0400 Message-ID: <007901c23e2e$40b533b0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <02080710554011.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Importance: Normal If you don't use the 4x4, a good pothole will cause the bike to compress the suspension even more than you did with the tie downs, and voila, instant sparks from the bike (after it falls off of the trailer at 45 mph). Anyway, that's why I did it when hauling dirt bikes back in the bumpy tire daze. --jon -----Original Message----- (various thoughts re: 4x4 under suspension) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 12:20:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77GKhZ4030370; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:20:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77GKh7C030361; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:20:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:20:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Pickups In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, dan wrote: > I've got a Tundra and have put a Harley Road King, a V-star 1100, > YZF-600R, and VFR in it without any problems. All at once? Wow! Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 12:30:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77GUeZ4030471; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:30:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77GUeYC030463; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:30:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: Witold@XXXXXX Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 12:30:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2002 16:30:32.0909 (UTC) FILETIME=[C03837D0:01C23E2F] A smart way to think about it, I'd say. Are you in the DC area now? If so, drive me up and I'll ride it home for you. Being unemployed allows a pretty flexible schedule! :) Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" CC: Subject: RE: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:33:36 -0400 >You're buying your first bike, and R6 from philly and going to rent a truck to bring it home.. >right? That's correct. Is the bike new or used? >The bike is a 2002, but it has 2000 miles on it and some scratches from a tip over on back part of the bike. I guess it's cheap therefor worth the trip to philly? >Bingo! Plus, my sister lives in Cherry Hill (right outside Philly) so I can work in a visit as >well. >have you taken the Motorcycle Safety class? I actually ended up taking the MSF class twice -- and passed with no problems both times. I also took some private instruction from Larry Grodsky, (stayinsafe.com) but as I said above, I don't have 500 miles under my belt. I wouldn't feel comfortable riding any bike, let alone a R6, without frame sliders and before at least running through some basic MSF drills. That's why I don't want to ride it home :) Witold _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 12:48:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77GmxZ4030715; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:48:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77Gmwum030710; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:48:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.97.0.82] From: "Tim Spong" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: A ton of bikes in Ashburn VA yesterday? Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:47:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2002 16:47:52.0355 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BC71730:01C23E32] I drove past the Ashburn Pub last night and there were a ton of bikes outside - mainly Harleys I think? anyone know what event this was and how to get involved? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 12:50:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77GoVZ4030764; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:50:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77GoUs5030757; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:50:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: nawt.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:50:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Paper X-X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A ton of bikes in Ashburn VA yesterday? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Tim Spong wrote: > I drove past the Ashburn Pub last night and there were a ton of bikes > outside - mainly Harleys I think? anyone know what event this was and how > to get involved? Park, walk in. Say hi. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Network Operations/DNS Engineering cerberus@XXXXXX "Karate Bagels presents: Easter colored bagels" Irony. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 13:05:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77H5eZ4030896; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:05:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77H5eGa030891; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:05:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008301c23e34$4bfeb380$175df7a5@ELNcplvfr> From: "Travis" To: References: Subject: Re: A ton of bikes in Ashburn VA yesterday? Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:03:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I saw a sign for that at Loudoun Motorsports. Every Tuesday night from 7-9pm. The sign also mentioned something about free food and door prizes. I would've gone except my VFR threw the chain which destroyed the countershaft cover as well everything else in that area. My other bikes are being shipped from Hawaii. I'm going to check out once my VFR is fixed or I get my other bikes. Travis '01 SV650S '95 RC36 '91 GS500E '85 VF500F http://www.angelfire.com/extreme3/svbadguy ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Spong To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:47 PM Subject: A ton of bikes in Ashburn VA yesterday? > > > I drove past the Ashburn Pub last night and there were a ton of bikes > outside - mainly Harleys I think? anyone know what event this was and how > to get involved? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 13:26:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77HQ5Z4031183; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:26:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77HQ4jZ031175; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:26:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020807172601.3322.qmail@web21411.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:26:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: tire plugs To: "Sandler, Mike" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Sandler, Mike" wrote: > Sport riding - replace tire > Cruising / touring - repair > ...imo Conservative "old fart who's already hit the deck at speed once from a tire/wheel problem" approach: Sport riding -- replace tire Cruising/touring -- replace tire Bicycle -- replace tire Cage -- plug and rotate to rear, or replace tire Riding lawn mower -- plug If it's only got two wheels, I want two perfect tires on it. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 13:29:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77HTZZ4031231; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:29:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77HTY7M031227; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:29:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020807172931.70476.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Pickups To: Wayne Edelen , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > Couldn't you also transport it with the tailgate > down? Well, I suppose you could, but I figured that he already had a bike (and thus the wheelbase value) and was looking for a pickup. If you're still shopping, then it makes sense to know what size bed you're looking for. Isn't driving a truck with the tailgate down almost as ugly as a man wearing short pants? It may not be illegal, but if I weren't a libertarian, I'd think it should be. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 14:25:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g77IPXZ4032163; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:25:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g77IPWZc032155; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:25:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:14:13 -0400 Subject: Re: RE: tire plugs To: entrpoop@XXXXXX Cc: msandler@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <20020807172601.3322.qmail@web21411.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020807172601.3322.qmail@web21411.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Fwiw, I will patch/plug my rear tire, but not a front: Have never lost a plug and I can ride out a rear-tire air loss, doubtful about front. It's a pita, but I recommend taking the tire off to plug it---I've seen mushroom plug heads tear off while being pushed through the tire, and you can't tell from the outside. ---garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 21:08:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7818sZ4003994; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:08:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7818pp7003975; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:08:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.2.20020807210344.00a66fc0@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.1 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 21:09:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: thanks. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'd just like to say a public thanks to Mr. William J. Huson and his comrades at the MSF -- they do a great job of teaching the fundamentals. The BRC is, in my opinion, a must for any rider, no matter what skill, experience or license level you currently hold. The class was well worth the time it took to be able to find an open slot, and the, in all told, very minimal fee. So... Bill, THANKS!!! Dan. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 21:15:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g781FiZ4004190; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:15:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g781FiL8004184; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:15:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: , Subject: RE: Transporting a bike Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:15:38 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <0EA409BC.0BAE76F6.001912B6@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal I am a non R6'er but would love to try one. I want to know the different feeling from a sit up bike to a crotch rocket. But for now I will stick to my training wheels, my Nighthawk S. Scott -----Original Message----- From: STmaven@XXXXXX [mailto:STmaven@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:50 AM To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Transporting a bike yeah, the r6 makes a bad first bike. give it to me and i'll loan you my huffy until you feel comfy on the huffy. :P j/k... remember to take it easy and have fun. the bike is a joy to ride. let me know when you get the bike, we could do a small group ride w/ other R6ers and/or other non-R6 riders. -mark In a message dated Wed, 7 Aug 2002 9:57:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: > > > Being an R6 I assumed it wasn't a first bike. > Rich > Still '94 Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 22:12:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g782CTZ4004826; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:12:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g782CRAE004818; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:12:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020807205757.030d46b0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rmeyer9@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 20:58:57 -0400 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Motorcyclist dies on `Dragon' In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020806235400.0311e8b0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:28 AM 8/7/02 -0400, dan wrote: > >The real > > lesson ought to be not to ride over your head. > > > > Bob > > > >If we are going to get into "lessons", one I don't see metioned often >enough is to leave a margin for error. A lot of the recent serious wrecks >in the twisties I've read about have been experienced riders, who I'm sure >felt confident about the turn they were in, but they misjudged. >Dan Good point. My only road accident in the last 10 or 12 years I attribute to being not very familiar with the bike, and not leaving a margin for error. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 22:14:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g782EVZ4004994; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:14:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g782EUwY004988; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:14:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:17:26 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tire mounting around Reston? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks to all that responded. Found a fellow lister near by that has quite a shop. Got the new 207 mounted and balanced, all for the measly price of a 12 pack, ready for this weekend in the NC mountains. Hope to hit the Dragon once the tire is nice and broke in. Dan On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, dan wrote: > Mother F$#()*#! crap... I got another flat, second this year. This time > its a small nail. I discoverd it while washing the bike after a nice long > ride, made some really nice bubbles. Already have the tire on the way, > just need someone to mount and balance it. I think the VFR wheel is a > little different in that it requires some special adapter for balancing? > Anyone know where to get this done for a reasonable charge around Reston? > > Thanks, > > Dan > > -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 7 23:31:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g783VLZ4005584; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:31:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g783V9Dl005565; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:31:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020807233100.030d93a0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rmeyer9@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 23:31:17 -0400 To: dan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: tire mounting around Reston? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:17 PM 8/7/02 -0400, dan wrote: >Thanks to all that responded. Found a fellow lister near by that has >quite a shop. So who's the lister, and where's the shop? Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 02:12:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g786CRZ4006509; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 02:12:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g786CQJO006501; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 02:12:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: "'Fish Flowers'" , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Pickups Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 02:12:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c23ea2$8f0f3dc0$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal My SV650S fit in my 01 Tacoma 4x4(Xtra Cab!)with the tailgate down. Steve and I used a 2x6 with a metal "lip" I bought for $4 at Home Depot's clearance rack ("ramp-endz", maybe). Used 1 ratcheting tie down threaded through the triple tree and over the bars in front, one through the grab bars in back. We hooked the strap ends to the stock pick-up bed tie down points in the corners. It would have been easier with a solid wheel chock in the bed, but for $20 with of HD crap, it works fine. Just make sure you have two, if not three friends to help get your bike up the ramp safely. Robby C. -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:03 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Pickups While we're on the topic of pickups, I have an idle question for y'all. Does a pickup bed need to be much longer than the wheelbase to fit a bike? Now that I have a bike and a house, the next big purchase is a trailerable sailboat, but I'll need something to tow the damn thing with. May as well make certain whatever pickup I end up with can haul bikes in the back as well. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 02:36:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g786anZ4006901; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 02:36:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g786amPS006897; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 02:36:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020807182019.31649.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:20:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Pickups To: Leon Begeman , Wayne Edelen , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020807172931.70476.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Leon Begeman wrote: > --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > > Couldn't you also transport it with the tailgate > > down? > > Well, I suppose you could, but I figured that he > already had a bike (and thus the wheelbase value) > and > was looking for a pickup. If you're still shopping, > then it makes sense to know what size bed you're > looking for. > And now some manufacturers are making 6.5' beds. A nice option if you don't want that beast of an 8' bed. > Isn't driving a truck with the tailgate down almost > as > ugly as a man wearing short pants? It may not be > illegal, but if I weren't a libertarian, I'd think > it > should be. > Looks better then hauling it sideways IMO. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 06:40:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78AemZ4008740; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:40:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78Aehbb008721; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:40:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Bob Meyer , Subject: Re: Motorcyclist dies on `Dragon' Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:38:29 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020806235400.0311e8b0@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020807205757.030d46b0@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020807205757.030d46b0@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208080638291A.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 07 August 2002 20:58, Bob Meyer wrote: > At 12:28 AM 8/7/02 -0400, dan wrote: > > >The real > > > lesson ought to be not to ride over your head. > > > > > > Bob > > > >If we are going to get into "lessons", one I don't see metioned often > >enough is to leave a margin for error. A lot of the recent serious wrecks > >in the twisties I've read about have been experienced riders, who I'm sure > >felt confident about the turn they were in, but they misjudged. > >Dan > > Good point. My only road accident in the last 10 or 12 years I attribute > to being not very familiar with the bike, and not leaving a margin for > error. > Not a twisties accident but my only road accident in the last 10 or 12 years I attribute to t-boning a S-10 sized pickup that pulled out from the DOT site on the right and stopped sideways in the left lane (he was making a left). Rt 1 just a hair south of the M&M auto recycler, northbound, 1:30pm Valentine's Day. 55 to 0 in ~20 feet :-( Lovely scars though. :-/ "Honey, I have good news and bad news. I won't be riding the bike anymore. I'm in the hospital." Boy, she wasn't happy. > Bob Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 07:14:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78BE3Z4009027; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:14:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78BE26f009022; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:14:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D5253C2.65CB551E@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 07:19:30 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rmcurtis@XXXXXX CC: "'Fish Flowers'" , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Re: Pickups References: <000201c23ea2$8f0f3dc0$6401a8c0@cypher> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob Curtis wrote: > My SV650S fit in my 01 Tacoma 4x4(Xtra Cab!)with the tailgate down. > Steve and I used a 2x6 with a metal "lip" I bought for $4 at Home > Depot's clearance rack ("ramp-endz", maybe). Used 1 ratcheting tie down > threaded through the triple tree and over the bars in front, one through > the grab bars in back. We hooked the strap ends to the stock pick-up bed > tie down points in the corners. > It would have been easier with a solid wheel chock in the bed, but for > $20 with of HD crap, it works fine. Just make sure you have two, if not > three friends to help get your bike up the ramp safely. > > Robby C. Yes, BIG friends. Two old farts shoving a Harley bagger into a pickup bed just doesn't cut it. It was a rude awakening AKA reality check - jeez, man, we're like totally outta shape! Trailer is the way to go. U-Haul has a nifty one with a built in front wheel chock and tie down rings. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 07:16:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78BGHZ4009198; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:16:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78BGHoc009191; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:16:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00d401c23ecc$9b75e300$a500a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020806235400.0311e8b0@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020807205757.030d46b0@pop.east.cox.net> <0208080638291A.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Rt. 211 on a Wed Evening? Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:12:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 I've always done 211 on the weekend, but we had a guy who had never been there that we decided to take last night. All I can say is if you can get there one weekday evening, do it. Traffic was nonexistent. Even on the downside. We made two runs across and then over 211 to New Market. We did have a little problem. The guy we took is one who hates criticism, even constructive criticism. We tried to help him as he has what I think is target fixation. He's not looking ahead in the turns and in the past two weeks he has busted a few turns and even taken a few trips through some yards. He always manages to come out without dropping it, but when you try to help him, he gets very defensive and makes excuses for every bad move he makes. I keep telling him we are trying to help him, but it doesn't matter. I think he needs a track day, but then I think he would think it's a race. I think it will eventually catch up with him. Anyway, last night was a blast. Pretty damn cold on the ride back though :-) Gary From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 07:28:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78BShZ4009397; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:28:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78BShD2009391; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:28:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020808112841.30694.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 04:28:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: RE: Rt. 211 on a Wed Evening? To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gary wrote... > he has what I think is target fixation. He's not > looking ahead in the turns and in the past two > weeks he has busted a few turns and even taken a few > trips through some yards. ... > I think he needs a track day... Or maybe an Experienced Rider Course? There's a lot of talk about Looking Through the Turn there. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 07:49:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78BntZ4009645; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:49:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78BnsDR009635; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:49:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D525C30.1D9D353@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 07:55:28 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Brown CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: thanks. References: <5.0.1.4.2.20020807210344.00a66fc0@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan Brown wrote: > I'd just like to say a public thanks to Mr. William J. Huson and his > comrades at the MSF -- they do a great job of teaching the fundamentals. > The BRC is, in my opinion, a must for any rider, no matter what skill, > experience or license level you currently hold. The class was well worth > the time it took to be able to find an open slot, and the, in all told, > very minimal fee. > > So... Bill, THANKS!!! > Thank you, Dan, it was a fun class. Now the real fun begins for y`all -- riding on the *real* street AKA *mean streets*. Stay safe... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 07:52:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78BqZZ4009815; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:52:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78BqY3J009806; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:52:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D525CD1.553B169A@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 07:58:09 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: "Sandler, Mike" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tire plugs References: <20020807172601.3322.qmail@web21411.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > --- "Sandler, Mike" > wrote: > > Sport riding - replace tire > > Cruising / touring - repair > > ...imo > > Conservative "old fart who's already hit the deck at > speed once from a tire/wheel problem" approach: > > Sport riding -- replace tire > Cruising/touring -- replace tire > Bicycle -- replace tire > Cage -- plug and rotate to rear, or replace tire > Riding lawn mower -- plug > > If it's only got two wheels, I want two perfect tires > on it. > > -- Larry Damn skippy - no plugs in my scoot shoes. Save for an emergency fix to get me to the shoeshop for new rubber. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 07:56:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78Bu4Z4009983; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:56:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78Bu37C009978; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:56:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D525DA3.FE722C82@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 08:01:39 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: nags head References: <48.f78b475.2a801aa4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > hi everyone :) > > im riding to nags head this weekend --- leaving the baltimore area around 4am > on saturday --- leaving to return home about 4am on monday morning. (i have > to be at work by 12:30pm on monday). im meeting up with my biker parents > there. > > let me know if anyone is headed that way saturday or returning on monday! Have fun! I love that area of NC, go there often, but alas -- not this weekend. Going to Washington NC next weekend, leaving Thurs, back on Mon, camping at Whichards Beach. Tis a party disguised as a boat race. You're welcome, of course. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 08:02:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78C29Z4010182; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:02:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78C29SJ010178; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:02:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020808080307.0153ae50@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 08:03:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: tire plugs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:58 AM 8/8/02 -0400, you wrote: >> Conservative "old fart who's already hit the deck at >> speed once from a tire/wheel problem" approach: >> >> Sport riding -- replace tire >> Cruising/touring -- replace tire >> Bicycle -- replace tire >> Cage -- plug and rotate to rear, or replace tire >> Riding lawn mower -- plug >> >> If it's only got two wheels, I want two perfect tires >> on it. >> >> -- Larry > >Damn skippy - no plugs in my scoot shoes. Save for an emergency fix to >get me to the shoeshop for new rubber. > >Bill I picked up a nail in the rear tire of my Busa and replaced the tire. I'm with Larry and Bill, I feel much safer with 2 good baloney skins on the bike :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 08:14:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78CEgZ4010411; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:14:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78CEfBF010406; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:14:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020808081542.01537e14@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 08:16:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Riding Gear Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Be sure to wear your riding gear... http://www.stickdeath.com/shorts12.html :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 08:19:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78CJjZ4010584; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:19:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78CJi8A010578; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:19:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D52632E.9B2DEE4B@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 08:25:18 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: SEE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See - Search, Evaluate, Execute - the new acronym to replace SIPDE. I like it, SEE relates to look, and SEE fits with the philosphy of KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid. On my way to and from my recent MSF class SEE kept me entertained and out of trouble many times. Drivers were batshit crazy this week. NUTS! But using SEE and being a conservative old guy who knows full well that my reaction time is no longer measured in milliseconds, I avoided *almost* every incident. Going home. I've turned onto the left turn lane from 236 to Braddock. A red sport tourer (K Beemer?) appears outta nowhere, zipping down the left lane. Then a kid in his chip-tuned japmobile starts moving right lane to left lane in front of the ST. YIPES! Peepy horn bleat from ST, binders on. I drift faaaaarrr right to make escape space for the ST, but the ST drags it down and BDC continues to take the left lane. At one point in the action the ST was betwixt me'n the BDC. An ST sandwich. SEE what can happen out there? And it's nowhere close to a full moon! Keep those eyeballs open, keep them moving - tis a jungle out there. Someone left the door to the nuthouse open! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 08:38:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78CcHZ4010810; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:38:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78CcGgl010805; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:38:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:41:04 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Bob Meyer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tire mounting around Reston? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020807233100.030d93a0@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know nothing. Nothing at all. On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Bob Meyer wrote: > At 10:17 PM 8/7/02 -0400, dan wrote: > >Thanks to all that responded. Found a fellow lister near by that has > >quite a shop. > > > So who's the lister, and where's the shop? > > Bob > > -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 08:43:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78ChVZ4011007; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:43:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78ChU0t011003; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:43:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D5268C2.B560A166@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 08:49:06 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tire plugs References: <3.0.32.20020808080307.0153ae50@noid.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Edelen wrote: > I picked up a nail in the rear tire of my Busa and replaced the tire. I'm > with Larry and Bill, I feel much safer with 2 good baloney skins on the > bike :-) Yep, with a caveat. If I had a in townie commuter bike that never saw more'n 45 MPH, I'd patch tubes or plug tires to keep it going, but on a heavy used for those master blaster trips down the super slab, no way - new skins fer me. I'm kinda picky about trailer tires too. If your drag is well under 2K pounds, and your tow vehicle over two tons, plugging is fine. But if your trailer wieght is more than half your tow vehicle wieght and said trailer is single axle, plug to get it home and replace the tire. A heavy trailer that loses a tire at highway speed can be dangerous to your health record. This is from several anal puckering experiances over the years. Oh, yeah, and check the lug nuts too. I lost an entire wheel on I-95 once. The ratio of tow v trailer wieght - brutish Ramcharger v way less than 2k trailer - saved that one, but I had to use the tire iron to pry my shrieking wife's fingernails outta the dashboard. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 08:59:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78CxIZ4011232; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:59:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78CxIQe011224; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:59:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <40.21f31df8.2a83c51b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:59:07 EDT Subject: Some days suck. Some days... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g78CxGZ4011212 Went for a ride at about 4:30am. yesterday, rode about 70mi. up to Baltimore MD. (That is about 1/2 of the motorcycle content, if you want the rest goto the last lines.) Why? To "attend" a "Players party" A hundred or so attractive young women dressed to the nines as hookers, with a few of us males. It was awful #:-} > Downside? I had to dress to the nines as a Pimp. More to the point the "Gateway Computer Pimp" Black pants with silver stripes, black furry shirt, a coat that was white with black spots just like a Gateway box (or a cow.) The rest of the story. Got a call from a casting company Tuesday wanting me to come in to be an extra.... Oops, sorry Background _Actor_ must be politically correct here. For a "Players party." What is a Players Party I ask. Hookers and their pimps. WELL, being the quiet shy retiring and utterly un-pimp like fellow I am I took an immeasurably short time to say "Why not." So at 4:30 in the morning I head up to Baltimore. Our call is actually at 7:00am. but I want to avoid the rush hour and 7:00 would put me square into it, so I leave early. When I get there a bus already at the parking area (We had to park "off site" no parking anywhere near the set) Clearly the womens call is 6:00am. as there are only 1 or 2 of us testosterone enhanced folk in an entire tour bus, not a city bus, a _tour_ bus _full_ of young women, not just young women but young women who have been told to dress as hookers. OH THE PAIN! Oh the humanity! Oh my age... We ride into downtown Baltimore to an old bank building that has been converted into a dance club and get off the bus to wait on the sidewalk for someone to open the door. Imagine if you will, a tour bus full of "hookers and pimps" unloads onto a city sidewalk during the start of rush hour. I would have killed for a camera to photograph the reaction of drivers and pedestrians. After a short wait we go inside where we are "pimped up an ho)B’ed out" The only thing I wound up wearing of my own was my shoes, and that only because they were out of size 13 pimp shoes. For all intent a purpose and despite our best efforts at dressing ourselves we all wound up being re-costumed, the guys were outrageous, the women more so. Then hair and makeup, guys got off easy, I just had hair spray/glue. The women... I never thought a blue wig could work... Then it was time for _breakfast!_ Up the stairs, down the hall, and to the right... Out onto the SIDEWALK! If you think we got a reaction when we first got off the bus, you can imagine the reaction now! Out of a couple of hundred men and women (there was a second busload) only one young women has the sense to bring a robe, soooo. Now I want a _video_ camera to record the traffic going by :-0 :-/ :-( :-} etc. Back downstairs to begin the real life of an extra (Oops sorry background actor.) Long periods of boredom punctuated by periods of _intense_ boredom. But the scenery is nice, in the end it kind of winds up like the Blue Ridge Parkway on a bike. _Gorgeous, but your senses dull to it, after interminable hours these women and men start to look normal, In fact when we head home I find myself wondering why everyone outside is so overdressed and dull, and the women so short, (no 4" spikes.) We do go upstairs a few times to film. Even that is not as exiting as one might assume, doing the same thing over and over, and the heat, oh lordy the heat! The "hookers" are roasting, and they are dressed as _hookers!_ I am in a long sleeve hairy shirt (hot,) a fir cow coat (damn hot) and someone looked and thought "that guy does not cooked yet", So they give me a fir hat (This is your brain, this is your brain at 400deg.) Please do not make me cross (walk) Please do not make me cross, if I move much I will pass out. "OK! YOU ARE AT A PARTY, YOU ARE HAVING _FUN_ DANCE, TALK, ENERGY, ENERGY!! Rolling! Sound! (snap, just like you have seen it in the movies) _Background action! Having fun, dance, talk, energy (oh lord I know I have some somewhere.) Have fun! OK good.... Do it again......... It _was_ fun. Everyone should do it at least once. Twice? Depends on how crazy you are. For those wondering it is a Chris Rock film, he stars and directs as a guy thrust into a run for the presidency. The film is called (at least for now) "Head Of State" and I have no idea when (or if) it will come out. The scene is an "annual party" for pimps and their girls to get together and the Rock character is here to try to get their votes. That is what I know. I do know that when it comes out I will let you know if you can see me and where (look for that little black and white dot in the upper left corner... I am behind it.) There is a possibility, too horrible to think about, that I will be in the foreground for a moment... Me 40ft. high... Dressed as the Gateway Computer Pimp. THE HORROR! Rode about 60mi. back home at about 6:30pm, even the beltway was moving quickly especially for rush hour. (That is it for Motorcycle content.) Why only 60 to go home? Well I failed to miss my exit like I did on the way up. The ride home I was dreading was actually a nice ride, traffic hauled along at a very nice clip even when there was a cop in the group. Altogether a very nice day. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 09:11:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78DB5Z4011458; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:11:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78DB5aQ011450; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:11:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020808131102.9627.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:11:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Rt. 211 on a Wed Evening? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <00d401c23ecc$9b75e300$a500a8c0@C4ZJ911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii what part(s) of 211 are worth doing? what would be the best way to get there, coming from DC (either 395 or 66); i think i will take your advice and get out there one of these weekend evevings .... thx jib --- Gary Foreman wrote: > I've always done 211 on the weekend, but we had a > guy who had never been > there that we decided to take last night. All I can > say is if you can get > there one weekday evening, do it. Traffic was > nonexistent. Even on the > downside. We made two runs across and then over 211 > to New Market. > > > We did have a little problem. The guy we took is > one who hates criticism, > even constructive criticism. We tried to help him > as he has what I think is > target fixation. He's not looking ahead in the > turns and in the past two > weeks he has busted a few turns and even taken a few > trips through some > yards. He always manages to come out without > dropping it, but when you try > to help him, he gets very defensive and makes > excuses for every bad move he > makes. I keep telling him we are trying to help > him, but it doesn't matter. > I think he needs a track day, but then I think he > would think it's a race. > I think it will eventually catch up with him. > > Anyway, last night was a blast. Pretty damn cold on > the ride back though > :-) > > Gary > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 09:26:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78DQ8Z4011716; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:26:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78DQ8qH011711; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:26:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1b9.47b4511.2a83cb66@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:25:58 EDT Subject: Re: tire mounting around Reston? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/7/2002 9:49:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > So we should install little rubber flaps on our belly pans then? If you do not mind riding a bike with a flap on its belly it would prolly work. I for one would rather carry a plug kit. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 09:34:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78DYiZ4011923; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:34:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78DYhLE011918; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:34:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Lisa Goddard" To: Subject: Transporting a bike Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:33:59 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: Wayne Edelen To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Transporting a bike > If you've got some miles under your belt, say 500, on another bike, > I'd say you're probably capable of riding the r6 home. Or maybe you could convince someone you know (or another list member) to drive up with you and they could ride the motorcycle back to the DC area? The weather is nice this week/weekend, it might be a good excuse for one of our unemployed listers to get out of the house ;-) Hey, I resemble that remark! Both Jay and I are unemployed right now. We get out of the house quite often! In fact, we are both headed to VIR this weekend for some track time. I am out on the south course friday with their Aprilia's. Jay will be out on Saturday on his RC. Lisa '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 09:36:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78DaQZ4012089; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:36:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78DaQNd012084; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:36:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tire plugs Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 09:46:39 -0400 Message-ID: References: <3.0.32.20020808080307.0153ae50@noid.org> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020808080307.0153ae50@noid.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g78DaPZ4012072 Any listers on crotch rockets throwing out their new tires cuz of a puncture, let me know, i'll meet you at the bike shop and take it off your hands for you.... plug tires work pretty well for me. On Thu, 08 Aug 2002 08:03:39 -0400, you wrote: >At 07:58 AM 8/8/02 -0400, you wrote: >>> Conservative "old fart who's already hit the deck at >>> speed once from a tire/wheel problem" approach: >>> >>> Sport riding -- replace tire >>> Cruising/touring -- replace tire >>> Bicycle -- replace tire >>> Cage -- plug and rotate to rear, or replace tire >>> Riding lawn mower -- plug >>> >>> If it's only got two wheels, I want two perfect tires >>> on it. >>> >>> -- Larry >> >>Damn skippy - no plugs in my scoot shoes. Save for an emergency fix to >>get me to the shoeshop for new rubber. >> >>Bill > >I picked up a nail in the rear tire of my Busa and replaced the tire. I'm >with Larry and Bill, I feel much safer with 2 good baloney skins on the >bike :-) > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 09:37:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78Db9Z4012255; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:37:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78Db82s012249; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:37:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <66.25300195.2a83cdfc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:37:00 EDT Subject: Re: Rt. 211 on a Wed Evening? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/8/2002 7:28:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, iefbr142000@XXXXXX writes: > Or maybe an Experienced Rider Course? There's a lot > of talk about Looking Through the Turn there. > Or a Beginnig Rider Course? Not meant to be insulting, but looking where you want/need to go is a _basic_ skill. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 09:44:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78DiDZ4012469; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:44:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78DiCsJ012464; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:44:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <102.195f289b.2a83cfa1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:44:01 EDT Subject: Re: SEE To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/8/2002 8:20:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > SEE what can happen out there? And it's nowhere close to a full moon! > Keep those eyeballs open, keep them moving - tis a jungle out there. > Someone left the door to the nuthouse open! > Osmosis: The natural process that means something will move from the higher concentration to the lower concentration through a membrane. The question is, "If you leave the door to the nuthouse open would move people move in, or out?" DAMNIFIKNOW. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 09:49:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78DnZZ4012644; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:49:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78DnZm4012640; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:49:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Motor PsychoL Danny Cc: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tire plugs Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 09:59:48 -0400 Message-ID: References: <3.0.32.20020808080307.0153ae50@noid.org> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g78DnYZ4012628 and back to the original message... I wasn't asking oppinions on wether one should plug or not.. I'm wondering if anyone has experience with the different types and which is better? Plugs work pretty well for me. On Thu, 08 Aug 2002 09:46:39 -0400, you wrote: >Any listers on crotch rockets throwing out their new tires cuz of a >puncture, let me know, i'll meet you at the bike shop and take it off >your hands for you.... > >plug tires work pretty well for me. > >On Thu, 08 Aug 2002 08:03:39 -0400, you wrote: > >>At 07:58 AM 8/8/02 -0400, you wrote: >>>> Conservative "old fart who's already hit the deck at >>>> speed once from a tire/wheel problem" approach: >>>> >>>> Sport riding -- replace tire >>>> Cruising/touring -- replace tire >>>> Bicycle -- replace tire >>>> Cage -- plug and rotate to rear, or replace tire >>>> Riding lawn mower -- plug >>>> >>>> If it's only got two wheels, I want two perfect tires >>>> on it. >>>> >>>> -- Larry >>> >>>Damn skippy - no plugs in my scoot shoes. Save for an emergency fix to >>>get me to the shoeshop for new rubber. >>> >>>Bill >> >>I picked up a nail in the rear tire of my Busa and replaced the tire. I'm >>with Larry and Bill, I feel much safer with 2 good baloney skins on the >>bike :-) >> >>-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 09:52:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78Dq5Z4012839; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:52:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78Dq5pE012833; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:52:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Glenn Dysart Cc: Leon Begeman , Wayne Edelen , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Pickups Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:02:18 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020807172931.70476.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> <20020807182019.31649.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020807182019.31649.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g78Dq3Z4012821 More room is always better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 10:00:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78E0wZ4013047; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:00:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78E0vt4013039; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:00:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: Stevens John R DLVA To: "DC Cycles Mailing List (E-mail)" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" , "'Witold@XXXXXX'" Subject: Pickups Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:00:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g78E0uZ4013022 For a point of reference, I hauled my new VFR back from SW Virginny in the back of my Avalanche (almost as red as the VFR), and didn't need the dollar for change. The Av has a 5'3" bed, so I hadda leave the gate down. If you want to trailer something as well, then you need to be able to close the gate. Can't hitch up the trailer with the gate down, can't load the bike with the trailer in the way - voil)Bá, Catch-22! (Although I suppose you could put the bike in the boat?? ;-) (WARNING!!! Potential non-Moto content to follow!!!) Out of curiosity, what kind of boat? (used to race Lightnings in NW Pa.) Just FYI for Witold, the canyon dancer (bar harness) is the way to go, to keep the tie-downs off the bodywork. Worked great with the Viffer. John Stevens Waldorf, MD '02 VFR '77 GS750 (for sale, kinda) .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) >Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:02:53 -0500 (CDT) >From: Fish Flowers >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: Pickups > >While we're on the topic of pickups, I have an idle question for y'all. >Does a pickup bed need to be much longer than the wheelbase to fit a bike? >Now that I have a bike and a house, the next big purchase is a trailerable >sailboat, but I'll need something to tow the damn thing with. May as well >make certain whatever pickup I end up with can haul bikes in the back as >well. > >Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 10:04:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78E4vZ4013242; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:04:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78E4vBm013234; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:04:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:04:29 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding Gear Message-ID: <6229B8A2.563B061B.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Uh-huh....You're one of the ones outta work aren't you? ;-) Sick..just sick. I would've at least stopped to see if the helmet was still in good shape. hehe Scooter In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 7:16:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > > > Be sure to wear your riding gear... > > http://www.stickdeath.com/shorts12.html > > :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 10:10:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78EAEZ4013425; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:10:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78EAEFq013420; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:10:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:10:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Pickups In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Stevens John R DLVA wrote: > (Although I suppose you could put the bike in the boat?? ;-) It's not the easiest thing to load a bike into a pickup bed. _You_ try figuring out how to get it onto a boat, short of a crane... > Out of curiosity, what kind of boat? Well, probably a Laser to start with (don't need a trailer for those, nor a tow vehicle, and they're relatively cheap to buy and maintain). After that, I've been looking at water-ballast boats in the 24-26' range. Hunter 26 looks pretty schweet, as does the Catalina 250. Probably a couple of years before I get enough saved up, but I can dream, right? Fish. currently dreaming about md moto inspections, nightmaring rather From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 10:10:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78EAXZ4013584; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:10:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78EAXpE013578; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:10:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:10:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tire plugs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > Any listers on crotch rockets throwing out their new tires cuz of a > puncture, let me know, i'll meet you at the bike shop and take it off > your hands for you.... > > plug tires work pretty well for me. I have a 190 50 17 BT56 in my garage with 2500 miles on it (about to the wear bars) with a hole in it. It's yours if you want it. -- Wayne - http://www.purplecar.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 10:13:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78EDOZ4013747; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:13:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78EDOij013742; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:13:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1a6.66c3b91.2a83d679@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:13:13 EDT Subject: Re: Pickups To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/8/2002 10:01:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, StevensJR@XXXXXX writes: > If you want to trailer something as well, then you need to be able to close > the gate. Can't hitch up the trailer with the gate down, Remove the gate, usually easy, no tools, 30sec. job. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 10:14:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78EEHZ4013914; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:14:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78EEHoD013905; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:14:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:14:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pickups In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g78EEFZ4013893 On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Stevens John R DLVA wrote: > If you want to trailer something as well, then you need to be able to close > the gate. Can't hitch up the trailer with the gate down, can't load the > bike with the trailer in the way - voil)Bá, Catch-22! (Although I suppose you > could put the bike in the boat?? ;-) I have an 18' Brimar car trailer and I wouldn't have any trouble attaching it to my Suburban with the rear gate open. I guess my point being, it depends on what kind of trailer you're using :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 10:15:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78EF9Z4014080; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:15:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78EF8Qx014074; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:15:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020808101302.00a10b00@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:14:11 -0400 To: "Lisa Goddard" , From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Transporting a bike In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:33 AM 8/8/02, Lisa Goddard wrote: >I am out on the south course friday with their >Aprilia's. Whose Aprilias, Lisa? Is this an Aprilia-sponsored event? Inquiring Falco owners want to know...8;) Thanks -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 10:16:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78EG3Z4014241; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:16:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78EG2I6014234; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:16:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:16:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding Gear In-Reply-To: <6229B8A2.563B061B.0C9D3659@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Uh-huh....You're one of the ones outta work aren't you? ;-) Sick..just sick. I would've at least stopped to see if the helmet was still in good shape. hehe > > Scooter Nope, I manage a data warehouse for a health care company in Bethesda, MD. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 10:19:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78EJUZ4014435; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:19:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78EJTeh014423; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:19:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'Fish Flowers'" Cc: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Topic of Pickups Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:19:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >While we're on the topic of pickups, I have an idle question for y'all. >Does a pickup bed need to be much longer than the wheelbase to fit a bike? >Now that I have a bike and a house, the next big purchase is a trailerable >sailboat, but I'll need something to tow the damn thing with. May as well >make certain whatever pickup I end up with can haul bikes in the back as> >well. >Fish. I've always had 8 foot beds. Plenty of room for ANY bike, plus what ever. I use a 6 point tie down (3 on a side) it's probably overkill, but it works for me. gb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 10:19:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78EJUZ4014437; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:19:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78EJTff014429; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:19:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:19:24 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding Gear Message-ID: <1146842C.241D38A6.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 9:16:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Uh-huh....You're one of the ones outta work aren't you? ;-) Sick..just sick. I would've at least stopped to see if the helmet was still in good shape. hehe > > > > Scooter > > Nope, I manage a data warehouse for a health care company > in Bethesda, > MD. :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ Yep. Almost as bad. Management with nothing to do but surf the web for that kinda stuff. ;-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 10:23:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78ENXZ4014764; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:23:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78ENWKv014760; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:23:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: GPz 1100 for sale Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:23:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" A friend of mine is downsizing the stable here's the info: GPZ 1100. 1984 GPZ-1100 A1 Purchased in Japan - shipped to USA Condition: Runs good / looks fair 5000 original miles / needs a little restoration work 120 rear HP Asking $2,500 Contact: Randy (202) 359-0510 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 10:34:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78EYNZ4014980; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:34:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78EYNmD014975; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:34:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01a301c23ee8$47543170$a500a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: References: <20020808131102.9627.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Rt. 211 on a Wed Evening? Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:30:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 I thinks you would take 66 west to 17s. to Warrenton. Then take 211 West. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isaac Blanck" To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Rt. 211 on a Wed Evening? > what part(s) of 211 are worth doing? what would be > the best way to get there, coming from DC (either 395 > or 66); i think i will take your advice and get out > there one of these weekend evevings .... thx jib From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 10:46:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78EkgZ4015155; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:46:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78EkgO7015150; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:46:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:49:31 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Gary Foreman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rt. 211 on a Wed Evening? In-Reply-To: <01a301c23ee8$47543170$a500a8c0@C4ZJ911> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Gary Foreman wrote: > I thinks you would take 66 west to 17s. to Warrenton. Then take 211 West. > > Gary > And don't stop at the first mountain. There is another one a little ways behind it! Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 10:54:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78EsIZ4015370; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:54:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78EsIxT015366; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:54:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01b701c23eeb$0fc3c4c0$a500a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: , References: <66.25300195.2a83cdfc@aol.com> Subject: Re: Rt. 211 on a Wed Evening? Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:50:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Unfortunately he thinks basic skills are: A. Popping wheelies. B. Doing Stoppies. C. Racing everyone else. Yes, I know, an accident waiting to happen. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Rt. 211 on a Wed Evening? > In a message dated 8/8/2002 7:28:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > iefbr142000@XXXXXX writes: > > > Or maybe an Experienced Rider Course? There's a lot > > of talk about Looking Through the Turn there. > > > > Or a Beginnig Rider Course? Not meant to be insulting, but looking where you > want/need to go is a _basic_ skill. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 10:58:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78EwOZ4015605; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:58:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78EwNg8015600; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:58:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020808105945.02605700@mail.ncifcrf.gov> X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:00:49 -0700 To: Larry Larson , "Lisa Goddard" , From: Lori Wilson Subject: Re: Transporting a bike In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020808101302.00a10b00@mail.9netave.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Aprilia USA and Femmoto are sponsoring a womens demo track day.... for the super low price of $55 you get to ride Aprilia USA's Mille, Falco, and Futura on the south course at VIR I am SO there I can not wait I leave in mere hours At 10:14 AM 8/8/02 -0400, Larry Larson wrote: >At 09:33 AM 8/8/02, Lisa Goddard wrote: >>I am out on the south course friday with their >>Aprilia's. > >Whose Aprilias, Lisa? Is this an Aprilia-sponsored event? Inquiring Falco >owners want to know...8;) > >Thanks -- Larry > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 11:28:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78FSQZ4016033; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:28:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78FSPTD016022; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:28:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:31:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: SEE In-Reply-To: <3D52632E.9B2DEE4B@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, William J. Huson wrote: > Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 08:25:18 -0400 > From: "William J. Huson" > To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > Subject: SEE > > See - Search, Evaluate, Execute - the new acronym to replace SIPDE. I > like it, SEE relates to look, and SEE fits with the philosphy of KISS - > Keep It Simple, Stupid. I have it on good information that the Virginia DMV is still using SIPDE and that it shows up on their test still. Is this going to be changing in the future? Rode to work this morning, beautiful day for it. Biggest moron I saw was on Rt 50, between 7 corners and Annandale rd. A car blipped out from a right side access and across the west bound lanes in an attempt to get to the east bound lanes -- even though there was already someone in the turn through and despite the fact that there was a LARGE black SUV with dc-plates and a pair of light bars on top in one lane and me (small black vfr, no lightbars) in the other. NBD, he was well out of my lane before I was anywhere close, but he did get a short siren blast out of SUV. I saw in far enough back to be well rolled off the throttle and covering the controls. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 12:53:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78GrXZ4016672; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:53:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78GrW33016661; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:53:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbIxF3VZ22+g/72xptxvl34TfsxCruM77fC9S43I6yRtdYT+qCwqR9Jt5GF+JSEdZ0= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Rt. 211 on a Wed Evening? Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:54:18 -0400 Message-ID: <009901c23efc$3d3c2df0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <01a301c23ee8$47543170$a500a8c0@C4ZJ911> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal blech. Take 66 to exit 27. Turn left at the top of the ramp, turn right onto 647 just after you cross over the interstate. 647 until it T-s, then turn left. Go slow through flint hill. Turn right when that road (522) T-s into 211. Follow speed limit signs until you hit the twisty parts. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Gary Foreman [mailto:fj1100@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:31 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rt. 211 on a Wed Evening? I thinks you would take 66 west to 17s. to Warrenton. Then take 211 West. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isaac Blanck" To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Rt. 211 on a Wed Evening? > what part(s) of 211 are worth doing? what would be > the best way to get there, coming from DC (either 395 > or 66); i think i will take your advice and get out > there one of these weekend evevings .... thx jib From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 12:56:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78GuZZ4016976; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:56:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78GuYJx016970; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:56:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYp9LITrRwmUr0R6iLW0VpbtjuI+aqAmtgDth8EHVBcE3Fa89/4WUHPgJ+knUkcz6g= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Aprilia/Femmoto demo day Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:57:21 -0400 Message-ID: <009a01c23efc$aa0b6770$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020808105945.02605700@mail.ncifcrf.gov> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Hot chicks *and* Aprilias. I wouldn't know what to do with myself. Drool or drool? I better keep my fat, bald, acne-laden @ss in the computer lab that day. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Lori Wilson [mailto:wilsonl@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:01 PM To: Larry Larson; Lisa Goddard; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Transporting a bike Aprilia USA and Femmoto are sponsoring a womens demo track day.... for the super low price of $55 you get to ride Aprilia USA's Mille, Falco, and Futura on the south course at VIR I am SO there I can not wait I leave in mere hours At 10:14 AM 8/8/02 -0400, Larry Larson wrote: >At 09:33 AM 8/8/02, Lisa Goddard wrote: >>I am out on the south course friday with their >>Aprilia's. > >Whose Aprilias, Lisa? Is this an Aprilia-sponsored event? Inquiring Falco >owners want to know...8;) > >Thanks -- Larry > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 13:03:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78H31Z4017338; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:03:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78H3045017328; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:03:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020808170258.41823.qmail@web21410.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:02:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: US 50 to Cincinnati? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01b701c23eeb$0fc3c4c0$a500a8c0@C4ZJ911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone ever ridden US 50 all the way to Cincinnati? Is it likely to be a good ride across WV and through the hills of southeastern OH, or is it all strip malls and stop lights like US 1? Thanks -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 13:13:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78HDMZ4017681; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:13:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78HDMUX017676; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:13:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Brad Faas" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:09:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Question for the MSF instructors... Message-ID: <3D526D98.11621.10AD8300@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Kind of an odd-ball question, but.... Is a street legal motorcycle required to take the Experienced Rider Course? Thanks. Brad From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 13:21:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78HL5Z4018041; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:21:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78HL5Uv018036; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:21:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <049401c23f00$a646c180$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Larry Larson" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020808170258.41823.qmail@web21410.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: US 50 to Cincinnati? Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:25:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 50 to Cincinnati is a good route for the most part. Strip malls and traffic lights require population and there's not a lot of that along the route. Part of it is divided highway superslab between Clarksburg, WV and Athens, OH. 50 between Winchester, VA and Clarksburg is well worth the price of admission. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Larson" > Has anyone ever ridden US 50 all the way to > Cincinnati? Is it likely to be a good ride across WV > and through the hills of southeastern OH, or is it all > strip malls and stop lights like US 1? > > Thanks -- Larry > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 13:38:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78HcKZ4018445; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:38:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78HcKfS018440; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:38:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020808133225.026091e0@mail.ncifcrf.gov> X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 13:40:49 -0700 To: , From: Lori Wilson Subject: Re: Aprilia/Femmoto demo day In-Reply-To: <009a01c23efc$aa0b6770$070312ac@ddlomni.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020808105945.02605700@mail.ncifcrf.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hopefully not TOO hot in the full leathers. Weather is supposed to be nice.... And I second the *drool* for the Aprilias.. At 12:57 PM 8/8/02 -0400, Jon Strang wrote: >Hot chicks *and* Aprilias. > >I wouldn't know what to do with myself. Drool or drool? > >I better keep my fat, bald, acne-laden @ss in the >computer lab that day. > >--jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Lori Wilson [mailto:wilsonl@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:01 PM >To: Larry Larson; Lisa Goddard; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Transporting a bike > > >Aprilia USA >and Femmoto are sponsoring a womens demo track day.... >for the super low price of $55 you get to ride Aprilia USA's Mille, Falco, >and Futura on the south course at VIR > >I am SO there > >I can >not >wait >I leave >in mere >hours > >At 10:14 AM 8/8/02 -0400, Larry Larson wrote: > >At 09:33 AM 8/8/02, Lisa Goddard wrote: > >>I am out on the south course friday with their > >>Aprilia's. > > > >Whose Aprilias, Lisa? Is this an Aprilia-sponsored event? Inquiring Falco > >owners want to know...8;) > > > >Thanks -- Larry > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 13:38:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78HcsZ4018609; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:38:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78HcsHt018603; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:38:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020808173851.96331.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:38:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Question for the MSF instructors... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3D526D98.11621.10AD8300@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii no; the only time i've heard of someone being required to take the course was after a dui conviction by order of a judge; however, i just took the ERC last Sunday, and it was a worthwhile way to spend the day; practicing skills and meeting other moto lovers ... --- Brad Faas wrote: > Kind of an odd-ball question, but.... > > Is a street legal motorcycle required to take the > Experienced Rider > Course? > > Thanks. > > Brad > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 13:47:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78Hl3Z4019095; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:47:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78Hl3x1019089; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:47:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020808174701.27656.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:47:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Question for the MSF instructors... To: Isaac Blanck , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020808173851.96331.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You misread the question. Yes, one is required to have a street legal bike to take the class. They do not supply bikes. --- Isaac Blanck wrote: > no; the only time i've heard of someone being > required > to take the course was after a dui conviction by > order > of a judge; however, i just took the ERC last > Sunday, > and it was a worthwhile way to spend the day; > practicing skills and meeting other moto lovers ... > --- Brad Faas wrote: > > Kind of an odd-ball question, but.... > > > > Is a street legal motorcycle required to take the > > Experienced Rider > > Course? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Brad > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 13:47:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78HlJZ4019125; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:47:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78HlIwp019120; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:47:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Brad Faas" To: Isaac Blanck , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:43:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Question for the MSF instructors... Message-ID: <3D52758D.16193.10CC9825@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020808173851.96331.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3D526D98.11621.10AD8300@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sorry, I was asking if I needed to have a street legal motorcycle in order to take the course (I'm interested in taking it, but my bikes are ummm, lacking in a few departments, like headlights, mirrors, brake lights, etc). :-) Wondering if it would be frowned upon to show up and unload a bike from a truck... Brad On 8 Aug 2002 at 10:38, Isaac Blanck wrote: > no; the only time i've heard of someone being required > to take the course was after a dui conviction by order > of a judge; however, i just took the ERC last Sunday, > and it was a worthwhile way to spend the day; > practicing skills and meeting other moto lovers ... > --- Brad Faas wrote: > > Kind of an odd-ball question, but.... > > > > Is a street legal motorcycle required to take the > > Experienced Rider > > Course? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Brad > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 13:57:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78HvjZ4019740; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:57:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78Hvjqo019731; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:57:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tire mounting around Reston? Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:08:01 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1b9.47b4511.2a83cb66@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1b9.47b4511.2a83cb66@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g78HviZ4019719 I will do that.. I don't mind.. especially if it will save me some flats... but is your theory just a theory or is it fact? how was this knowledge gained? On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:25:58 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/7/2002 9:49:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > >> So we should install little rubber flaps on our belly pans then? > >If you do not mind riding a bike with a flap on its belly it would prolly >work. I for one would rather carry a plug kit. > >John. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 14:02:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78I28Z4020077; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:02:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78I2834020071; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:02:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tire plugs Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:12:24 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g78I26Z4020054 Yep I sure do! I could use that right about now anyway! shoot me an email about when and where to come get it. Thanks! On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:10:30 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > >> Any listers on crotch rockets throwing out their new tires cuz of a >> puncture, let me know, i'll meet you at the bike shop and take it off >> your hands for you.... >> >> plug tires work pretty well for me. > >I have a 190 50 17 BT56 in my garage with 2500 miles on it (about to the >wear bars) with a hole in it. It's yours if you want it. > >-- Wayne - http://www.purplecar.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 14:46:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78IkUZ4020677; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:46:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78IkTpH020673; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:46:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003b01c23f0c$91702b00$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Brad Faas" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <3D526D98.11621.10AD8300@localhost> <3D52758D.16193.10CC9825@localhost> Subject: Re: Question for the MSF instructors... Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:42:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 It has to be registered and pass a "tech inspection." If you can figure out a way to do that without being "street legal" you're good to go. You, as the operator, need a valid endorsement too. I'd recommend borrowing a street bike for the course. Paul in DC BRC MSF guy, not ERC....yet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Faas" > Sorry, I was asking if I needed to have a street legal motorcycle in > order to take the course (I'm interested in taking it, but my bikes are > ummm, lacking in a few departments, like headlights, mirrors, > brake lights, etc). :-) Wondering if it would be frowned upon to show > up and unload a bike from a truck... > > Brad From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 14:52:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78IqDZ4021007; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:52:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78IqCM0021002; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:52:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'sdave@XXXXXX'" Subject: Nags Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:52:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" [Dave] OB encompasses (some consider Duck), Kill Devil Hills, Kitty Hawk, Nags Head, ?????? & Manteo has some sound side property. [GB] Dave is detail oriented.... I was referring to where Nags Head is not what the Outer Banks in comprised of. [Dave] It *STILL IS* a beautiful place to go. One year, I drove from Nags Head, through Ocracoke via the 2 ferries past Oak Island down to Cape Lookout. Because it looked like an all day affair, I left early. Good thing, it was an all day affair, and the only place to get gas before the Ocracoke ferry thank goodness had credit card 'pay at the pump' islands - $50 reserve be DAMNED ;-) [GB] It's a zoo, not unlike Myrtle, Gatlinburg/Pigeon Forge, Daytona... out of those three, there's no hope for a hurricane in Gatlinburg. Back in the old days..... they had dollar pumps in NC where you put in your 1 dollar bills and pumped gas. One always traveled with a wad of $1.00 Federal Reserve Notes... or you didn't get gas between the hours of 6pm and 8am. [Dave] I must stick up & defend Nags Head (my honeymoon town !). Traffic is NOWHERE NEAR Ocean $hitty levels, you can actually do the 50 mph speed limit on the main strip (12?). Nags Head beaches are Dog Friendly too (for responsible pet owners that don't allow their animals to leave gifts.. ) Kill Devil Hills is not... [GB] I go to Florida now..... awesome fishing, calmer sea conditions (for the most part)... the gulf stream is a little farther out. I will give the outer banks credit for a better surf fishing experience. However, after some AWESOME pier fishing events in Florida... that's were I dip the hook. I prefer to ride the Blue Ridge.... the beach is for other interests. Seeya gb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 14:59:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78IxRZ4021341; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:59:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78IxQBX021332; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:59:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nags In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Bruhl, George LT wrote: > [Dave] I must stick up & defend Nags Head (my honeymoon town !). Traffic > is NOWHERE NEAR Ocean $hitty levels, you can actually do the 50 mph speed > limit on the main strip (12?). Nags Head beaches are Dog Friendly too (for > responsible pet owners that don't allow their animals to leave gifts.. ) > Kill Devil Hills is not... > > [GB] I go to Florida now..... awesome fishing, calmer sea conditions (for > the most part)... the gulf stream is a little farther out. I will give the > outer banks credit for a better surf fishing experience. However, after > some AWESOME pier fishing events in Florida... that's were I dip the hook. > I prefer to ride the Blue Ridge.... the beach is for other interests. Each year, I rent a house in the Outer Banks with some friends and we drink really epic wine for 7 days straight :-) This year, we're in Duck in a 7500sq ft'er right on the beach. We always go the first week off season, since the prices drop down from $9000-10000/week down to like $3000/week. http://www.purplecar.org/beach/P0001722.JPG is our supply from last year. -- Wayne - http://www.purplecar.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 15:08:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78J8IZ4021701; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:08:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78J8IbI021693; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:08:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:11:01 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Wayne Edelen cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nags In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Each year, I rent a house in the Outer Banks with some friends and we > drink really epic wine for 7 days straight :-) This year, we're in Duck > in a 7500sq ft'er right on the beach. We always go the first week off > season, since the prices drop down from $9000-10000/week down to like > $3000/week. > > http://www.purplecar.org/beach/P0001722.JPG is our supply from last > year. > http://www.purplecar.org/beach/P0001731.JPG ... what a dump ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 15:13:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78JDHZ4022025; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:13:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78JDH1q022020; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:13:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:13:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nags In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, dan wrote: > http://www.purplecar.org/beach/P0001731.JPG ... what a dump ;-) Inside the 2 story back glasss is the indoor pool... it was a real pit ;-) ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.purplecar.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 16:01:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78K14Z4022633; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:01:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78K13oo022625; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:01:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020808200100.81393.qmail@web21405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:01:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Nags To: dan , Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > http://www.purplecar.org/beach/P0001722.JPG is our > supply from last year. Those bottles on the extreme right look suspiciously unlike wine... And where's the lever Screwpull? And maybe a few glasses for those more formal occasions? 8;) -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 16:08:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78K8TZ4022955; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:08:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78K8T4l022949; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:08:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:08:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nags In-Reply-To: <20020808200100.81393.qmail@web21405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Larry Larson wrote: > > http://www.purplecar.org/beach/P0001722.JPG is our > > supply from last year. > > Those bottles on the extreme right look suspiciously > unlike wine... Yeah, the Lapis tequila (mmm, yummy), Madeira and port are necessary evils, too ;-) I think someone brought beer, although I don't know that it was consumed. > And where's the lever Screwpull? And maybe a few > glasses for those more formal occasions? 8;) They're around, just couldn't get them in the pic ;-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 16:19:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78KJkZ4023349; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:19:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78KJkdF023344; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:19:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 16:20:06 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nags Message-ID: <04EE818D.03B540F3.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Holy SHIT!!! That's a complete wine cellar. My sister would love you. ;-) Scooter > http://www.purplecar.org/beach/P0001722.JPG is our supply > from last > year. > > -- Wayne - http://www.purplecar.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 17:20:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78LKsZ4024168; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:20:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78LKrgU024159; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:20:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: "Brad Faas" , "Isaac Blanck" , Subject: RE: Question for the MSF instructors... Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:19:14 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3D52758D.16193.10CC9825@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal I just took the ERC (Experienced Riders Course) in Glen Burnie. They did provide motorcycles for the course even though they say they don't. Oh well. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Brad Faas [mailto:mcracer980@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:44 PM To: Isaac Blanck; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Question for the MSF instructors... Sorry, I was asking if I needed to have a street legal motorcycle in order to take the course (I'm interested in taking it, but my bikes are ummm, lacking in a few departments, like headlights, mirrors, brake lights, etc). :-) Wondering if it would be frowned upon to show up and unload a bike from a truck... Brad On 8 Aug 2002 at 10:38, Isaac Blanck wrote: > no; the only time i've heard of someone being required > to take the course was after a dui conviction by order > of a judge; however, i just took the ERC last Sunday, > and it was a worthwhile way to spend the day; > practicing skills and meeting other moto lovers ... > --- Brad Faas wrote: > > Kind of an odd-ball question, but.... > > > > Is a street legal motorcycle required to take the > > Experienced Rider > > Course? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Brad > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 17:51:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78LpWZ4024791; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:51:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78LpWUM024786; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:51:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:51:30 -0400 Subject: Textile jackets From: Richard Westbrook To: DC-Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2002 21:51:30.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0F840B0:01C23F25] I have been thinking about getting a Textile Jacket (my leather isn't stretching as much as my gut:-) and was wondering of anyone had any recommendations or things to look out for. On my short list is the Teknic Mach One, and First Gear Kilimanjaro, so far. I have also looked at the Aerostich but it's out of my price range. My only requirements are a liner (preferably fleece), pockets, and enough vents to keep me somewhat cool in DC summers. Thanks -Rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 17:53:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78LrPZ4025198; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:53:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78LrPl6025193; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:53:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-pair-Authenticated: 209.124.21.254 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: Subject: RE: Question for the MSF instructors... Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:53:13 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c23f26$01e1d640$3345080a@R1100S> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal What is it with rider courses in MD? In VA, we have to provide our own bikes for the ERC. And, a friend of mine took the BRC in MD a few months ago. A few weeks after graduation, the instructor invited graduates to ride on the road...and "he" supplied the bikes. And this was all for free. And, you guys get to use radar detectors! grrrrr I gotta move... Wes > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott R. Russell [mailto:MacDa@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:19 PM > To: Brad Faas; Isaac Blanck; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Question for the MSF instructors... > > > I just took the ERC (Experienced Riders Course) in Glen > Burnie. They did provide motorcycles for the course even > though they say they don't. > > Oh well. > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Faas [mailto:mcracer980@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:44 PM > To: Isaac Blanck; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Question for the MSF instructors... > > > Sorry, I was asking if I needed to have a street legal > motorcycle in order to take the course (I'm interested in > taking it, but my bikes are ummm, lacking in a few > departments, like headlights, mirrors, brake lights, etc). > :-) Wondering if it would be frowned upon to show up and > unload a bike from a truck... > > Brad > > On 8 Aug 2002 at 10:38, Isaac Blanck wrote: > > > no; the only time i've heard of someone being required > > to take the course was after a dui conviction by order > > of a judge; however, i just took the ERC last Sunday, > > and it was a worthwhile way to spend the day; > > practicing skills and meeting other moto lovers ... > > --- Brad Faas wrote: > > > Kind of an odd-ball question, but.... > > > > > > Is a street legal motorcycle required to take the > Experienced Rider > > > Course? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Brad > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 18:36:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78MaTZ4025811; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:36:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78MaS65025803; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:36:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020808223626.62180.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:36:26 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Fwd: New postings at New Enough To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii someone was asking about MC gear. This just came thru my inbox and has specials on the items the poster was considering... --- Holly at New Enough wrote: > From: "Holly at New Enough" > To: "newenough" > Subject: New postings at New Enough > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:40:03 -0500 > > We have just added the following items to our pages at New Enough. > Thank > you for shopping with us. > > New Vanson Pants Page: http://www.newenough.com/vansonpants.htm > > Vanson Technical Sport Pants > Vanson catalog numbers: > TEPS (solid black leather) > TEPV (perforated black leather) > Price: $499 (but there's a $50 rebate on these pants through > 12/31/02) > Overall Condition: New > > New Fieldsheer Pants Page: http://www.newenough.com/fspants.htm > > Fieldsheer Sport Air Pants in Short Inseams > Price: $249 > Overall Condition: New > > New Closeout Jackets & Pants Page: > http://www.newenough.com/closeoutjacketsandpants.htm > > "Ballistic 3.0" Textile Touring Jacket (also in tall sizes) > Price: $119 > Overall Condition: New > > Used Vanson Pants Page: http://www.newenough.com/usedvansonpants.htm > > Vanson PTTV Traveler Pants, size Large > Price: $320.00 > STK#: 543 > Overall Condition: Like New > > Used Hein Gericke/FirstGear Jackets Page: > http://www.newenough.com/usedhein.htm > > FirstGear Scout Jacket, size M > Price: $190.00 > STK#: 538 > Overall Condition: Excellent > > Used Jackets Page: http://www.newenough.com/usedsportjackets.htm > > HJC Sport Jacket, size 48 > Price: $230.00 > STK#: 539 > Overall Condition: Like New > > Used Pants Page: http://www.newenough.com/usedpants.htm > > Joe Rocket Hustler Pants, size 38 > Price: $149.00 > STK#: 534 > Overall Condition: Like New > > Used Suits Page: http://www.newenough.com/usedsuits.htm > > Joe Rocket Highside 1pc Suit, size 44 > Price: $400.00 > STK#: 533 > Overall Condition: Like New > > Teknic Chicane 2 pc Suit, size 46 > Price: $195.00 > STK#: 536 > Overall Condition: Good > > Used Boots & Gloves Page: > http://www.newenough.com/usedbootsandgloves.htm > > Teknic Violator Boots, size 10 > Price: $90.00 > STK#: 537 > Overall Condition: Excellent > > Sidi Vertebra II Boots , size 45 > Price: $199.00 > STK#: 535 > Overall Condition: New but no box > > Check out our eBay listings for this week: > http://www.newenough.com/ebayauctions.htm > > Please give Holly or me a call if we can be of service. > > Sincerely, > > Paul Thompson > New Enough Motorcycle Leathers > website: www.newenough.com > email: paul@XXXXXX > 888-530-7351 > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from our list go here: http://two.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/newenough __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 19:17:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78NHwZ4026569; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:17:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78NHvgH026562; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:17:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D52FD71.73C22DD4@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 19:23:29 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jmstrang@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aprilia/Femmoto demo day References: <009a01c23efc$aa0b6770$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon Strang wrote: > Hot chicks *and* Aprilias. > > I wouldn't know what to do with myself. Drool or drool? > > I better keep my fat, bald, acne-laden @ss in the > computer lab that day. > > --jon > Larry has an Aprilla - maybe he could go in drag? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 19:21:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g78NLfZ4026992; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:21:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g78NLeWp026986; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:21:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D52FE53.609B0574@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 19:27:15 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Faas CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Question for the MSF instructors... References: <3D526D98.11621.10AD8300@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brad Faas wrote: > Kind of an odd-ball question, but.... > > Is a street legal motorcycle required to take the Experienced Rider > Course? > > Thanks. > > Brad Yes, tagged, insured, and inspected. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 20:04:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7904tZ4027790; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:04:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7904sJF027782; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:04:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020808144858.009eb950@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:49:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Topic of Pickups In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I've always liked Seymor Duncans. That's what I have in my Thinline Telecaster. The stock Fender Lace Sensors in my Strat are pretty nice too. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 20:12:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g790CeZ4028218; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:12:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g790Ce79028213; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:12:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <11f.149c35cc.2a8462eb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:12:27 EDT Subject: Re: tire mounting around Reston? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/8/2002 1:57:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > but is your theory just a theory or is it fact? how was this > knowledge gained? I do not remember where I first heard this, but I believe it is generally thought to be what happens. It does make sense to me and is the only theory (more accurately a hypothesis) that I have ever heard that does. I have no idea how many rear flats I have had over the miles (400-500,000mi.) but I can tell you how many I have had on the front, Zero, nada, zip. (I did have one on a dirt bike that had been converted to street legality (A TM400 motocrosser) #8-0 > But that was riding in the dirt, although I did ride it home on the street _with_ the flat. I have always carried some way to fix a flat, at least temporarily, so it just does not seem worth the hassle to me. (Although the way my ST has been getting flats I may change my mind. It has _never_ worn out a rear tire without at least one.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 22:03:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7923cZ4029232; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:03:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7923arE029220; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:03:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020809020328.22381.qmail@web21402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:03:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Aprilia/Femmoto demo day To: "William J. Huson" , jmstrang@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3D52FD71.73C22DD4@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, just because I had to wear a kilt to my best friend's wedding last October doesn't mean I make a habit of it... but maybe for the track time it would be worth it. Black watch plaid over black leather -- hot! -- Larry --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Jon Strang wrote: > > > Hot chicks *and* Aprilias. > > > > I wouldn't know what to do with myself. Drool or > drool? > > > > I better keep my fat, bald, > acne-laden @ss in the > > computer lab that day. > > > > --jon > > > > Larry has an Aprilla - maybe he could go in drag? > > Bill > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 22:27:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g792RuZ4029728; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:27:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g792Ru6N029721; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:27:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020808222204.00a330a0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 22:25:23 -0400 To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Topic of Pickups In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020808144858.009eb950@mail.mac.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:49 PM 8/8/02, Sean Jordan wrote: >I've always liked Seymor Duncans. ... > >The stock Fender Lace .... You picked up a guy named Seymour, and you're heavily into lace? Even on a mailing list with Chuck and TG, this sounds strange. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 23:26:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g793QFZ4030367; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:26:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g793QE9m030358; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:26:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003401c23f54$fd059740$7e531840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Randy Renfrow's really hurt... Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:29:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Check out: http://www.amasuperbike.com/newind.htm and look at 08.07.02 Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1982 Honda ATC185S Pit Vehicle 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project You know you're addicted to racing when you refer to the end of your driveway as 'Pit Out' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 8 23:31:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g793V4Z4030784; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:31:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g793V3kZ030779; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:31:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Randy Renfrow's really hurt... Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 23:29:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2002 03:29:57.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[08BBCA50:01C23F55] Oh, man. How awful. Get well soon, Randy. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Randy Renfrow's really hurt... Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:29:35 -0400 Check out: http://www.amasuperbike.com/newind.htm and look at 08.07.02 Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1982 Honda ATC185S Pit Vehicle 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project You know you're addicted to racing when you refer to the end of your driveway as 'Pit Out' _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 07:21:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79BLIZ4001209; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:21:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79BLFdG001195; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:21:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D53A6FA.B66CE698@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 07:26:50 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: US 50 to Cincinnati? References: <20020808170258.41823.qmail@web21410.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > Has anyone ever ridden US 50 all the way to > Cincinnati? Is it likely to be a good ride across WV > and through the hills of southeastern OH, or is it all > strip malls and stop lights like US 1? > > Thanks -- Larry Unless rt 50 has been modified since my last trip in the late '80s, you'll be able to catch the glow from your tailights while navigating the hairpin turns in WV. From Romney on it's a twistie-blast! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 08:53:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79Cr0Z4001929; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:53:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79CqxXD001918; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:52:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tire flap was: tire mounting around Reston? Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:03:24 -0400 Message-ID: <9ee7lukhpnccjtei91u5qn6jjgcnb93g8u@4ax.com> References: <11f.149c35cc.2a8462eb@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <11f.149c35cc.2a8462eb@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g79CqvZ4001906 John, I appreciate the repsone.. I think I'll go ahead and install that flap... it's interesting... because if you think about it, the flats are always with the nail/screw/etc facing inwards as if stabbed or shot. (proppelled). We know the debri's don't sit upright and get run over.. maybe it *is* shot from the front. I'll test the theory. I'd like to see what happens. If my flat quocient goes down. Worst case scenario, my bike looks a little funny.. it'll be interesting to find a nail proppelled into the flap.. that would prove the theory. Ok people might ask me "what is that" often, but i want that flap.. hell conversation peices aren't too bad. i personally would rather have less flat tires, and sturdier tires since I am a sportbike rider. I always did wonder why the front didn't get flats too often. Hmm now.. what about a flap material... Do I go cut regular mud flaps down to size.. bolt it to the belly pan.. and where do I want to mount it.. towards the front of the belly pan or towards the rear.. sounds like a fun little project to me.. Any ideas? anyone? (hmm I could always mount 2, one in the front and one in the back) it would look even worse but act even better.. "dude what are those things on your bike" " I'm testing this anti flat tire theory" matter of fact... botl nothing... zip ties! Hmm I think i have an old rubber car mat somewhere.. that might work well too.. Hmm the thicker the better me thinks.. any further ideas anyone? oh shoot wait... the wind may blow the flaps up there by negating them... Hmmmmmmmmmmm ? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 08:54:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79CsWZ4002183; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:54:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79CsVld002176; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:54:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: US 50 to Cincinnati? Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 08:53:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2002 12:53:24.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF907610:01C23FA3] In addition to enjoying the twists and turns in WV, remember to slow down (really!) in the towns, or "speed zones," as the local constabulary would love nothing better than to pull you over and tax you. You can get away with a good bit between the towns, but be very careful in the towns. They do tend to run radar, so a good detector is a nice addition. Perry >From: "Paul Wilson" >To: "Larry Larson" >CC: "dc-cycles list" >Subject: Re: US 50 to Cincinnati? >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:25:51 -0400 > >50 to Cincinnati is a good route for the most part. Strip malls and >traffic >lights require population and there's not a lot of that along the route. >Part of it is divided highway superslab between Clarksburg, WV and Athens, >OH. 50 between Winchester, VA and Clarksburg is well worth the price of >admission. > >Paul in DC >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Larry Larson" > > > > > Has anyone ever ridden US 50 all the way to > > Cincinnati? Is it likely to be a good ride across WV > > and through the hills of southeastern OH, or is it all > > strip malls and stop lights like US 1? > > > > Thanks -- Larry > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 09:37:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79Db6Z4002641; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:37:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79Db6jV002636; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:37:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: (fwd) Re: accident on harry truman Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:47:32 -0400 Message-ID: <5vh7luska7jbmhqh8v71e8jjs4bn1ovrju@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g79Db4Z4002619 On Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:41:07 -0400, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: >a friend of mine knows him, and one of his close friends.. >said "he went in too hot" I dont know if that means he used his >brakes, or slid out or what.. I wonder... > >it was mentioned to me, but I forgot what kind of bike he had.. > >For some of you newer riders, take heed, As you can see motorcycling >is extremely dangerous. It's important to know how to prevent these >types of accidents. It's also better to learn from other people's >accidents than your own. > >Slow in, fast out. SLow down ample before the curve, and not *in* the >curve, and if you think you're going to fast in the curve, don't try >to slow down, lean harder, look to the inside of the curve, hold it, >and ride it out. It'll all be over in a few seconds. If the bike >isn't scraping the ground, you can lean over further.. If the bike is >scraping the ground and you haven't slid out, hold it and keep going >through the curve. But above all else, newer riders, slow down >tremendously BEFORE the curve, while the bike is still straight and >upright. It's important to drill this information into your mind, so >that when you're in that situation, you don't panic and do the wrong >thing, you say fuck it, get bold, and do the right thing, even tho >it's scary the first few times. > > >On Thu, 08 Aug 2002 19:53:59 -0000, you wrote: > >>Peace, I know Mike White and I called Clinton Cycle, and I was told >>that he lost both legs from above the knees and crushed both arms. >>He is currently in a drug induced coma. My prayers go out to him and >>his family. >> >>Enricqque >> >>--- In dcsportbikeriders@y..., essence wilkins >>wrote: >>> >>> From what I hear he lived he just lost his legs is that true? >>> katanakitten1 wrote: The guy in the accident >>was Mike White the salesman from Clinton >>> Cycles. >>> >>> >>> --- In dcsportbikeriders@y..., Motor PsychoL Danny >> >>> wrote: >>> > was riding last night and about to go through harry S truman 214 >>> exit >>> > with a friend and passengers but I got a flat.. so I pull over.. >>Up >>> > ahead i see a police car.. I figured he pulled someone over... >>> > >>> > come to find out a rider had crashed and I saw he got medivacted >>> away. >>> > This was about 2 am. >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>> dcsportbikeriders-unsubscribe@y... >>> >>> >>> >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 09:59:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79DxTZ4003028; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:59:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79DxRPM003013; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:59:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020809135924.530.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Motorcyclist dies on `Dragon' To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <135.127934ce.2a81ca96@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii there's nothin' like a gauze pad and an alcohol swab to treat a collapsed lung and multiple compound fractures! ;) --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/6/2002 2:08:25 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: > > > ``Unfortunately, our guys arrived too late to do > anything for him,'' Overton > > said. > > Lesson here? > Learn First Aid and CPR and be ready to use it. I keep a > First Aid kit > (including CPR mask) in the tail of my bike. Not a brag, > just pointing out > how small they can be. You just never know when a buddy > will need your help. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 09:59:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79DxjZ4003059; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:59:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79Dxjqi003054; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:59:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: hey racers: advanced riding techniques - weight in the curve - question Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:10:11 -0400 Message-ID: <80j7lukv3k4ru1qtk6nc1v7rum05s1htia@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g79DxhZ4003037 A friend of mine says he leans forwards in the turn to put as much weight on the front tire as possible "because the racers do" "so they can feel feedback if their sliping or not". I told him he should be sititng back, putting weight on the rear tire, but the racers lean forward for aerodynamics behind the screen.. I seem to recall twist of the wrist saying the weight dispertion should be 50/50... As to share the weight load between both tires so that neither tire is over loaded. I told my friend I dont really need feedback on the front, I just trust my tires and execute correctly and try to be smooth. Plus what are you going to do, feel your front is slipping, then what? come off the gas? change what? you're either going to slap the ground, or get lucking and your tires catch and continue throught he curve. right? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 10:01:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79E1AZ4003552; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:01:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79E1AYi003546; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:01:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Tom Gimer Cc: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcyclist dies on `Dragon' Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:11:36 -0400 Message-ID: References: <135.127934ce.2a81ca96@aol.com> <20020809135924.530.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020809135924.530.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g79E18Z4003534 maybe they should try mouth to ass recessitation too! lol On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:59:24 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >there's nothin' like a gauze pad and an alcohol swab to >treat a collapsed lung and multiple compound fractures! ;) > > > > >--- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >> In a message dated 8/6/2002 2:08:25 PM Eastern Daylight >> Time, >> Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: >> >> > ``Unfortunately, our guys arrived too late to do >> anything for him,'' Overton >> > said. >> >> Lesson here? >> Learn First Aid and CPR and be ready to use it. I keep a >> First Aid kit >> (including CPR mask) in the tail of my bike. Not a brag, >> just pointing out >> how small they can be. You just never know when a buddy >> will need your help. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 10:06:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79E6SZ4003822; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:06:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79E6SK4003815; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:06:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: advanced riding techniques - seat position Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:16:55 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g79E6QZ4003803 what is the ideal position to sit to on the front seat when curve riding? up close to the tank? or further back towards the rear seat? and why? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 10:08:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79E80Z4004131; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:08:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79E80jV004126; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:08:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020809140757.58324.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:07:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Rt. 211 on a Wed Evening? To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <009901c23efc$3d3c2df0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jon Strang wrote: > Follow speed limit signs until you hit the twisty parts. actually, this is pretty good advice to follow on ALL of the roads heading out to 211. from marshall, va (where you pick up 647) to washington, va (641 runs through it) there is now a LOT of police/cycle activity > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Foreman [mailto:fj1100@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:31 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Rt. 211 on a Wed Evening? > > > I thinks you would take 66 west to 17s. to Warrenton. > Then take 211 West. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 10:11:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79EBGZ4004433; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:11:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79EBF2c004423; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:11:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:14:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: hey racers: advanced riding techniques - weight in the curve - question In-Reply-To: <80j7lukv3k4ru1qtk6nc1v7rum05s1htia@4ax.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:10:11 -0400 > From: Motor PsychoL Danny > > A friend of mine says he leans forwards in the turn to put as much > weight on the front tire as possible "because the racers do" "so they > can feel feedback if their sliping or not". > > I told him he should be sititng back, putting weight on the rear tire, > but the racers lean forward for aerodynamics behind the screen.. Sounds like who ever is asking the question should head out to a track and find a controlled environment to test their theories. I tend to think that anyone riding that close to the edge of the available traction should consider thinking about things like bunnies, dogs, deer, gravel in the corners, and little girls with tennis balls, rather than trying to decide if they need to load the front or rear suspension. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 10:12:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79ECcZ4004709; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:12:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79ECcXu004701; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:12:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020809141236.3563.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:12:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Aprilia/Femmoto demo day To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <009a01c23efc$aa0b6770$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jon Strang wrote: > Hot chicks *and* Aprilias. > > I wouldn't know what to do with myself. Drool or drool? > > I better keep my fat, bald, > acne-laden @ss in the > computer lab that day. dude.... take it easy on yourself! you're not that fat. and your ass can be quickly and easily treated with a power sander. > -----Original Message----- > From: Lori Wilson [mailto:wilsonl@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:01 PM > To: Larry Larson; Lisa Goddard; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Transporting a bike > > > Aprilia USA > and Femmoto are sponsoring a womens demo track day.... > for the super low price of $55 you get to ride Aprilia > USA's Mille, Falco, > and Futura on the south course at VIR > > I am SO there > > I can > not > wait > I leave > in mere > hours > > At 10:14 AM 8/8/02 -0400, Larry Larson wrote: > >At 09:33 AM 8/8/02, Lisa Goddard wrote: > >>I am out on the south course friday with their > >>Aprilia's. > > > >Whose Aprilias, Lisa? Is this an Aprilia-sponsored > event? Inquiring Falco > >owners want to know...8;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 10:12:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79ECrZ4004744; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:12:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79ECrU8004737; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:12:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:15:32 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Motor PsychoL Danny cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: hey racers: advanced riding techniques - weight in the curve - question In-Reply-To: <80j7lukv3k4ru1qtk6nc1v7rum05s1htia@4ax.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm no racer... far from it but... > I seem to recall twist of the wrist saying the weight dispertion > should be 50/50... As to share the weight load between both tires > so that neither tire is over loaded. > It says 40/60 F/R > Plus what are you going to do, feel your front is slipping, then what? > come off the gas? change what? you're either going to slap the > ground, or get lucking and your tires catch and continue throught he > curve. right? > Well if are leaning forward, leaning back could improve your 40/60 balance, however monkeying around in the middle of a turn like that??? Rolling on some more throttle would do the same with less chance of upsetting the bike. If he's at that point of riding maybe he'd better just practice his theory at the track. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 10:17:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79EHsZ4005266; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:17:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79EHs1J005258; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:17:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Motor PsychoL Danny'" , Subject: RE: advanced riding techniques - seat position Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:17:07 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <01d601c23faf$74716390$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: On the street it shouldn't matter - you shouldn't be that close to the edge of traction. Personally, I put my weight over the tank. I can always move weight back by just adding more throttle, besides it keeps the front wheel down. I think the ideal weight distribution depends on the bike, but most have max traction at 40/60 F/R. The throttle is what you should use to control the distribution. -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Motor PsychoL Danny [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:17 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: advanced riding techniques - seat position > > > what is the ideal position to sit to on the front seat when curve > riding? > > up close to the tank? or further back towards the rear seat? > > and why? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 10:21:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79EL6Z4005535; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:21:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79EL53b005531; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:21:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: hey racers: advanced riding techniques - weight in the curve - question Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:31:32 -0400 Message-ID: References: <80j7lukv3k4ru1qtk6nc1v7rum05s1htia@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g79EL4Z4005514 A racer friend of mine said you should stay behind the windscreen when racing, except to slow down and take lower speed curves. ( speaking in the context of being on the track, racing) I just thought i would propose the question to the other racers here. I'm a firm believer in asking those who know and learning... knowing what to do and not do, before you get on a bike... rather than experiementing. Personally I would like to get my race liscense, and run endurance races for fun, track time, and learn to be a better rider. talking others into it isn't as easy. note to self, go to wera website and look up info. >Well if are leaning forward, leaning back could improve your 40/60 >balance, however monkeying around in the middle of a turn like that??? >Rolling on some more throttle would do the same with less chance of >upsetting the bike. If he's at that point of riding maybe he'd better just >practice his theory at the track. > >Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 10:22:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79EMlZ4005790; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:22:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79EMlOh005785; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:22:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020809142244.80078.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:22:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: new to the list To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey everyone, I'm new to the list and thought I'd drop in and introduce myself. I ride a 93 GSXR 750, been riding for about 3 years and love it!! 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HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 10:23:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79ENxZ4006050; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:23:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79ENw1i006044; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:23:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: advanced riding techniques - seat position Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:34:25 -0400 Message-ID: References: <01d601c23faf$74716390$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> In-Reply-To: <01d601c23faf$74716390$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g79ENvZ4006027 >Personally, I put my weight over the tank. I can always move weight >back by just adding more throttle, besides it keeps the front wheel >down. Interesting. I ride a 600, he rides a 1000 aprilla twin. keeping the front wheel down isnt' an issue for me. I would think it would matter about being smooth on the throttle in the curve for bigger bikes anyway. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 10:26:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79EQbZ4006318; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:26:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79EQbrq006314; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:26:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: advanced riding techniques Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:37:04 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g79EQZZ4006302 I had two different topics.. one was how far forward or rearward should one sit in the seat. What is the proper place to sit? and the second was about weight distrobution front to rear tire. How do you tell if you've got the proper 40/60 distrobution tho? and why is it 40 / 60 ? the rear has a bigger contact patch? I told him that's why he should want his weight more so on the back, becasue of a larger contact patch. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 10:27:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79EROZ4006574; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:27:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79ERO5t006568; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:27:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020809142721.64333.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:27:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Motorcyclist dies on `Dragon' To: Motor PsychoL Danny Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > maybe they should try mouth to ass recessitation too! > lol i think a rimjob would be absolutely inappropriate under such circumstances.... unless, of course, it is undertaken by a certified EMT. > On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:59:24 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > >there's nothin' like a gauze pad and an alcohol swab to > >treat a collapsed lung and multiple compound fractures! > ;) > > > >--- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > >> In a message dated 8/6/2002 2:08:25 PM Eastern > Daylight > >> Time, > >> Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: > >> > >> > ``Unfortunately, our guys arrived too late to do > >> anything for him,'' Overton > >> > said. > >> > >> Lesson here? > >> Learn First Aid and CPR and be ready to use it. I keep > a > >> First Aid kit > >> (including CPR mask) in the tail of my bike. Not a > brag, > >> just pointing out > >> how small they can be. You just never know when a > buddy > >> will need your help. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 10:41:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79EfBZ4006896; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:41:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79EfBsm006892; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:41:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: (fwd) Motorcycle Club When does it stop? Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:51:37 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g79Ef9Z4006880 On Thu, 08 Aug 2002 20:34:52 -0000, "ssiixx_6" wrote: >Got this from another site wile lookig for the accident above... > > >I hate that i have to share this story. Im still pretty fucked in the >head right now. So heres what happened. > >I took a ride with some guys that work at MFI. Bout 10 of us went >riding today. We went all over. Went onto 211, paid the 5 bucks and >rode skyline drive. It was a good ride we stopped every so often, had >lunch at this mexican restaurant, and even stopped at a creek side >and took a dip. I just put my feet in. It was great. An awsome day >with some kewl guys.. > >Well it ended tragicly. Justin, one of the salesman at MFI and >another guy named Travis were involved in the accident. Around 2:30 >today we were well the hell south of 211, even futher south of >winchester. Icant remember the name of the area, like kingstown or >something. > >Travis and justin were in the lead of the group and were much faster >than Iwas able to go through the turns. I catch up to them, and mark, >(owner of MFI) is topped. All i see is Travis, and his bike in this >sewer run off full of rocks. His bike is torn to hell. Well i get >off, and mark is in the corn field next to the curve/hill that these >guys bit it on. Mark is yelling for justin. I throw all my gear off >and run over to Justin who is laying lifeless in this corn field and >i decided to start CPR. I took off his helmet and I thought i had a >pulse. I started helping him breathe. I helped clear his airway and >notice some blood. After giving him air, he gurgles from stuff in his >lungs. I take his pulse again and no pulse. So i do the whole CPR, >and it took the EMT 8min 32sec to get there.. I know this because i >was counting the minutes. > >The EMT's take justin to the hospital and Travis is on the side >refusing to be taken to the hospital. After i tell mark to convince >travis that he has to be checked out. The finally take travis on a >flat board to the same hospital. After talking to the state trooper >we went to Shannendoa Medical center. After waiting 20 minutes, the >nurse gives us the news. Justin Did not make it and Travis is going >to be released soon. After an hour of waiting, travis walks out >limping b/c of a busted up knee. He said he is ok, but im sure he >will be more sore tomorrow. i wont be surprised if he goes back to >the hospital. Travis is one of those stubborn guys that dont want to >be treated unless they're dying. > >Pretty much what happened was they both womped on the gas for a >strait away, and came to hill/curve that justin couldn't make. His >bike cartwheeled through the cornfield and rested on a wire fence, >Justin landed on his neck and the doctor says died instantly. I swore >i had a pulse on him, but coulda been my own pulse that i was >detecting. Travis almost made the turn after seeing justin get >airborn, but didnt and slid through the grass, LITERALLY STRADDLED A >POST, and then spun him into the sewer collection. The sign just >missed his family jules.. > >My head is all fucked up now, and i cant get justins lifeless face >out of my mind. Every time i close my eyes, i see it now. > >Folks may be pissed at me for writing so much detail. But i want it >to be known about this shit. I ride fast sometimes, i try and "rail" >some curves. But god damn it, why the fuck do we press the envelope >sooo far. What the fuck is the point of going into a curve that you >have no idea where the apex ends, and going blazing fast. We dont >ride on tracks. Those fucking racers know every goddamn inch of the >track. Down to the inch for breaking, cornering and accelerating. >Some of us are trying that shit on normal roads. Roads that we have >never seen before!! > >I am soo full of emotions right now, i am about to puke.. Oh done >that 3 times already..... > >My life has been changed today. Many of you will read this post, and >shrug your shoulders and think..It aient me, i know what im doing. >Fuck that, JUSTIN had been riding over 10 years. I been out with >those guys that do the wheelies and fuck around. Its your life and >you take those chances. Im not your mommie, and i wont tell you how >to live it. Just remember these stories, and justin. When you start >it up, REALLY think what you are getting yourself into when you try >and RAIL those roads. > > > >Alex C. >Woodbridge Va >Kawa ZX-6E >__________________ > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 10:43:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79EhhZ4007162; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:43:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79Ehhws007153; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:43:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaf8zqys9J4+wC6Ox1omMeCu2L/iBOvWqi/7FXyaxMwRhJKe1tNbrPxULInIQ6DOn4= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: hey racers: advanced riding techniques - weight in the curve - question Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:44:32 -0400 Message-ID: <006001c23fb3$468e4520$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <80j7lukv3k4ru1qtk6nc1v7rum05s1htia@4ax.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal I'm not a "racer", so take a grain of salt immediately. I have raced dirt bikes a bit, though. If you're not on the ground immediately (which you almost surely will be on a street bike on the street), turn out of the corner (go wide) to get the front end back. Then try make the corner with too much speed and a bad angle at it (ha!). I don't think that you can do this with conscious thought, it has to be a reflex to where you end up finished with the corner going "how the hell am I not bleeding?" Better answer: enter corners on the street with plenty of margin. FWIW, in the sporty-twisties, I ride with my wt. far up forward, enter the corner rather conservatively (brake too much beforehand on purpose), then hammer it once I can see through the corner. I don't think I've ever lost the front end on a street bike without losing the rear first or at the same time...in which case I'm sliding around the corner anyway, hard on the gas. On a dirt bike, it happened all the time...it seems like my auto-reaction was to straighten the bike up then throw it hard over and slam it sideways into the next available berm-like object with the throttle pinned. Not an option on the street. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Motor PsychoL Danny [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] Plus what are you going to do, feel your front is slipping, then what? come off the gas? change what? you're either going to slap the ground, or get lucking and your tires catch and continue throught he curve. right? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 11:06:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79F6CZ4007534; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:06:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79F6A5Z007515; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:06:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B9E1@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'bhuson@XXXXXX'" Subject: SEE Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:10:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Bill H, boldly huckstered, "See - Search, Evaluate, Execute - the new acronym to replace SIPDE. I like it, SEE relates to look, and SEE fits with the philosophy of KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid." Good'un Bill. Just to beat an old worn drum. While driving on public roads, make sure the BDCs SEE you. One common error I notice is motorcyclists driving in a cager's blind spot. 99.44% of the time, if BDCs see you, they'll avoid hitting you (After all, bumper scratches and fender dents lessen a cars's value, and those insurance pee-pole are sooo tiresome) Driving in a cagers's blind spot may be the only situation where loud pipes save lives "SEE what can happen out there? And it's nowhere close to a full moon! Keep those eyeballs open, keep them moving - tis a jungle out there. Someone left the door to the nuthouse open!" It's that hot August wind. Similar to the Sirocco? Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 11:15:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79FFiZ4007834; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:15:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79FFisR007828; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:15:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B9E2@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'rwestbrook@XXXXXX'" Subject: Textile jackets Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:20:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Richard Westbrook reported, "I have been thinking about getting a Textile Jacket (my leather isn't stretching as much as my gut:-) and was wondering of anyone had any recommendations or things to look out for. My only requirements are a liner (preferably fleece), pockets, and enough vents to keep me somewhat cool in DC summers." I'd remove liner as a requirement. I think it'd be a negative. Most liners appear to be crap. Instead, think Polartec 200 sweater or a similar fleece. Then electrics for the really cold days. Way warmer, much more versatile. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) http://www.crashmancomics.com/sabmag/rogues/carlcuster.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 11:29:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79FTXZ4008139; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:29:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79FTWDG008133; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:29:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 9 Aug 2002 15:29:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20020809152931.5216.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: new to the list X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) NT contributed this message: >Hey everyone, I'm new to the list and thought I'd drop >in and introduce myself. I ride a 93 GSXR 750, been >riding for about 3 years and love it!! [Dave] Finally, a message from NT that isn't cryptic and indicative of lost productivity... Bad puns aside, welcome to the list. Be wary of Chuck & Tom trying to get you to ride to Aintree (see the movie Deliverance)... be prepared for some OT banter (politics, guns, tickets, match making, etc...), strong differences of opinions (synth vs. dino oil, chain vs. shaft drive, chain lube vs. chain wax, rear brake usage etc...) and lamenting of BDC's (brain dead cagers)... feel free to jump right in. Dave Yates ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 11:31:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79FVmZ4008413; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:31:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79FVld9008407; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:31:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01cb01c23fba$92aa5aa0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "'DCCycles'" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B9E1@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> Subject: Re: SEE Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:36:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Another thing to do is to imagine how you appear on the average BDC's addled retina: small, insignificant, and non threatening. That's if they "see" you at all. People are less likely to mess with big things that can hurt them. Good 'un on blind spots. There's also that little sign on 18-wheelers, "if you can't see my mirrors, I can't see you." Different vehicles have different blind spots. Be aware of them and treat it as the "no" zone. And don't take all day to pass other vehicles. Overtake with gusto, give 'em a friendly toot and a wave so they might "see" you, and limit the amount of time you spend in the vulnerable zone. Bottom line, is in the end, there is no fool proof way you can *force* them to "see" you with headlight modulators, vests, Hi-Viz 'Stitches, loud pipes, big honking tooters, whatever. Yes, increase your visibility, but still treat 'em all like they're blind and should be driving with a cane stuck out the window. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Custer, Carl" > Bill H, boldly huckstered, "See - Search, Evaluate, Execute - the new > acronym to replace SIPDE. I like it, SEE relates to look, and SEE fits with > the philosophy of KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid." > > Good'un Bill. > Just to beat an old worn drum. While driving on public roads, make sure the > BDCs SEE you. > One common error I notice is motorcyclists driving in a cager's blind spot. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 12:23:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79GNJZ4009110; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:23:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79GNINd009099; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:23:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020809162316.83192.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:23:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: new to the list To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020809152931.5216.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > NT contributed this message: > > >Hey everyone, I'm new to the list and thought I'd drop > >in and introduce myself. I ride a 93 GSXR 750, been > >riding for about 3 years and love it!! > > [Dave] Finally, a message from NT that isn't cryptic and > indicative of lost productivity... > > Bad puns aside, welcome to the list. Be wary of Chuck & > Tom trying to get you to ride to Aintree (see the movie > Deliverance)... i think a trip to carolina and the famous springmaid campground would be a better way to break in our newest member.... -- tg w/ky __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 12:30:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79GUPZ4009393; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:30:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79GUPl6009386; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:30:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020809163022.66406.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:30:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: new to the list To: Tom Gimer , sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020809162316.83192.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Okay, I'm afraid to ask what this is in Carolina. Perhaps a guy named "Bubba" dressed up as a girl named "Betty"? Nick --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > NT contributed this message: > > > > >Hey everyone, I'm new to the list and thought I'd > drop > > >in and introduce myself. I ride a 93 GSXR 750, > been > > >riding for about 3 years and love it!! > > > > [Dave] Finally, a message from NT that isn't > cryptic and > > indicative of lost productivity... > > > > Bad puns aside, welcome to the list. Be wary of > Chuck & > > Tom trying to get you to ride to Aintree (see the > movie > > Deliverance)... > > i think a trip to carolina and the famous springmaid > campground would be a better way to break in our > newest > member.... > > > > -- > tg w/ky > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 12:45:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79GjuZ4009715; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:45:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79GjtOr009707; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:45:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SPAM...Car still for sale... Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 12:45:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2002 16:45:48.0442 (UTC) FILETIME=[36BEF7A0:01C23FC4] Well, I didn't have much luck these past two weeks, so I'm at it again. Now at a lower price. ACURA '01 3.2 CL Type S,a/t, Silver w/Blk Lthr, Garaged, 6 CD,All Power,spoiler,roof, ABS, VSA, Traction control, Dual front/side airbags, 17" Alloys,Dlr.Srvcd,24k miles, $24,500/obo 301-540-7089 Reasons for selling: 1. Still out of work and the bank misses my money. ;) 2. I want to get something else, or just ride full time! Feel free to email me off-list for more info, or send to anyone who might be interested. Thanks. Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 12:54:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79GsRZ4010010; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:54:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79GsRSe010005; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:54:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020809165424.5679.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:54:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: NOT SPAM!... m/c hauler for sale... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii for anyone in the market for a truck, my ad began running in the post yesterday... the details: '97 toyota tacoma lx; v6; extra cab; 5spd; black w/tan interior; almost 72k miles; trailer hitch; bedliner; tint; cruise control; power locks, windows, brakes, steering; tilt wheel; alloys; a/c; pretty much the works. while it has some cosmetic issues (paint scratches here and there; dent in the bumper; etc.) it is very sound mechanically. i just replaced the battery as well. i'm looking to get $11k for it (and will probably hold out for that price), which is almost 2 grand less than a dealer would charge for it.... -- tg 301 675-3980 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 13:02:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79H2JZ4010333; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:02:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79H2I0f010328; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:02:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <99.2ac02619.2a854f8f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:02:07 EDT Subject: Re: Motorcyclist dies on `Dragon' To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/9/2002 9:59:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > there's nothin' like a gauze pad and an alcohol swab to > treat a collapsed lung and multiple compound fractures! ;) Gauze pad over a sucking chest wound, good idea! Gauze pressed into a pressure point to stop bleeding, good idea! Bungee chords to secure a branch to the fractured appendage... There is a lot we can do in the field, _if_ we have training. I know if I fall down I would like someone with training there to help. That was my point, having someone in a group that knows CPR first aid is just a good idea, you just never know. Kinda like riding for the crash, carry your own medic! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 13:03:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79H3AZ4010599; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:03:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79H39S3010592; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:03:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <4120028591743680@earthlink.net> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 0 X-EM-Registration: #3003520714B31D032830 X-Priority: Reply-To: fastandwily@XXXXXX X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 5.0.6.8 (Windows) From: "Scott Luttrell " To: "Motor PsychoL Danny" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: hey racers: advanced riding techniques - weight in the curve - question Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:4:3 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > A friend of mine says he leans forwards in the turn to put as much > weight on the front tire as possible "because the racers do" "so they > can feel feedback if their sliping or not". > I told him he should be sititng back, putting weight on the rear tire, > but the racers lean forward for aerodynamics behind the screen.. > > I seem to recall twist of the wrist saying the weight dispertion > should be 50/50... As to share the weight load between both tires > so that neither tire is over loaded. Seating postion is a riders preference in my option. I tend to race further towards the front of the seat because it is a more comfortable postion with rear set's. Sitting further back would make for a less comfortable postion on my knees. Also the forward riding postion makes for easier transition for left to right without the need to pull on the clip-ons. I set up my suspension pre-load as most racers do, with full riding gear on and in your most used riding postion. So everyone suspension adjustment will be different according to there style of riding as will their seat postion. I'm 5'-9", taller guys might ride further back. There is really no right or wrong. > I told my friend I don't really need feedback on the front, I just > trust my tires and execute correctly and try to be smooth. > Plus what are you going to do, feel your front is slipping, then what? > come off the gas? change what? you're either going to slap the > ground, or get lucking and your tires catch and continue through he > curve. right? Getting off the gas with the front slipping may not always be the best thing to do. I try getting on the gas a lil when I feel the front end slipping, I've pulled out a few tank slappers doing this also. Slowing your throttle is going to transfer weight to the front where you want it entering a turn but, if the front is already slipping in the middle of the turn more weight on the front doesn't always help matters. More throttle input will transfer weight to the rear tire allowing you to regain some front end control will steering more with the rear, flat track it if you have to. Most of my front tire slips are caused by over cooked tires on the track. If your front is slipping under less extreme situation you may need to check tire pressures/condition or think you entry speed an/or line your using next time. It never hurts to have luck on your side and hopefully it will be on the side of your front tire that happens to be slipping. Scott Luttrell Fast & Wily Racing fastandwily@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 13:03:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79H3DZ4010632; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:03:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79H3CoO010628; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:03:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:03:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Maddox To: dc-cycles list Subject: OT: jobs (yes, IT) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey, I know there are a few outta-work technical types here, so if you're looking for 1: production support (Unix sysadmin-type) or 2: programming (C, C++ for user-interface-to-DB stuff) in the Dulles area, ping me off-list. I may be stuck in a cage, but I can contribute something for this list! ObMotoContent: Sturgis made the front page of the NY Times (online, anyway) today. Sounds like it's gotten completely poser-polluted. 8-( -- Andrew Maddox, found at: madsox.net Today's Bartism: I will not sell land in Florida. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 13:18:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79HIAZ4011285; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:18:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79HIA0a011280; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:18:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7c.2c33409d.2a85534b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:18:03 EDT Subject: Re: hey racers: advanced riding techniques - weight in the curve - question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/9/2002 10:43:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > Plus what are you going to do, feel your front is slipping, then what? > come off the gas? change what? I would think it depends on whether you want it to slip or not. Most pros deliberately slip _both_ tires all the time. I remember reading a report in one of the magazines telling about one of the riders (a world champ at the time) coming up on a slower rider in a curve. Instead of slowing or straitening up and diving down again the rider just deliberately grabbed the front brake, sliding the front end into a different line, and rode around the slower rider. WAY beyond anything I could do. As for "change what?" Why your underwear of course. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 13:24:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79HOaZ4011570; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:24:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79HOYhg011559; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:24:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <185.c62a768.2a8554cd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:24:29 EDT Subject: Re: SEE To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/9/2002 11:31:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > Good 'un on blind spots. There's also that little sign on 18-wheelers, "if > you can't see my mirrors, I can't see you." And beware of the morons who like to ride in _YOUR_ blind spots, They are out there. One of the disadvantages of fairing mounted mirrors is that they tend to be further away from your eyes resulting in less vision to the rear and bigger blind spots on our bikes. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 13:46:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79HkOZ4012152; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:46:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79HkOUk012147; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:46:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020809174612.66853.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:46:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Motorcyclist dies on `Dragon' To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <99.2ac02619.2a854f8f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/9/2002 9:59:29 AM Eastern Daylight > Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > there's nothin' like a gauze pad and an alcohol swab to > > treat a collapsed lung and multiple compound > fractures! ;) > > Gauze pad over a sucking chest wound, good idea! Gauze > pressed into a > pressure point to stop bleeding, good idea! Bungee chords > to secure a branch > to the fractured appendage... > There is a lot we can do in the field, _if_ we have > training. I know if I > fall down I would like someone with training there to > help. > That was my point, having someone in a group that knows > CPR first aid is just > a good idea, you just never know. Kinda like riding for > the crash, carry your > own medic! you have a point. i certainly feel more comfortable when the trusty ddd joins us on our rides.... ddd=dillon d. dickson, emt, mofo -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 13:51:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79HpAZ4012470; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:51:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79Hp9IB012464; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:51:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007401c23fce$09587480$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <185.c62a768.2a8554cd@aol.com> Subject: Re: SEE Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:55:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yup. Blind spots and mirrors that only say "no," not "yes." That's also why humans come equipped with a rubber neck. FWIW, a lot of riders complain that their mirrors "give me a great view of my elbows and shoulders." Actually, it may seem odd, but that's the way I like it. The one place I *can't* see with a quick head check is directly behind me, so with the mirrors taking in my elbows, that position works for me. Every where else gets the rubber neck treatment. Paul in DC 95 VFR with those pesky fairing mounted mirrors ----- Original Message ----- From: > In a message dated 8/9/2002 11:31:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > > > Good 'un on blind spots. There's also that little sign on 18-wheelers, "if > > you can't see my mirrors, I can't see you." > > And beware of the morons who like to ride in _YOUR_ blind spots, They are out > there. One of the disadvantages of fairing mounted mirrors is that they tend > to be further away from your eyes resulting in less vision to the rear and > bigger blind spots on our bikes. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 13:55:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79Ht4Z4012779; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:55:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79Ht4IX012774; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:55:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020809175502.12797.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:55:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: SEE To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <007401c23fce$09587480$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii while we're on the subject.... i HIGHLY recommend the following: http://www.constructorsrg.com/store/page2.html --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Yup. Blind spots and mirrors that only say "no," not > "yes." That's also > why humans come equipped with a rubber neck. > > FWIW, a lot of riders complain that their mirrors "give > me a great view of > my elbows and shoulders." Actually, it may seem odd, but > that's the way I > like it. The one place I *can't* see with a quick head > check is directly > behind me, so with the mirrors taking in my elbows, that > position works for > me. Every where else gets the rubber neck treatment. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR with those pesky fairing mounted mirrors __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 14:48:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79ImtZ4013396; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:48:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79Imr6d013380; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:48:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020809184851.76648.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:48:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: SEE To: Tom Gimer , Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020809175502.12797.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii . . . and at $79.50 each, a pair of those would double the value of my bike. Leon. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > while we're on the subject.... i HIGHLY recommend > the > following: > > http://www.constructorsrg.com/store/page2.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 14:53:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79IrcZ4013654; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:53:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79IrcZt013649; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:53:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020809185334.31361.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:53:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: SEE To: Leon Begeman , Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020809184851.76648.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii wait until they become more popular. they can be removed quite quickly and easily (10 sec.; 4mm key). ;) btw, i'll happily take either bike off your hands for $160. oh, please be sure to leave the fuel cell assembly intact.... i'll swing by this evening with the truck. --- Leon Begeman wrote: > . . . and at $79.50 each, a pair of those would > double the value of my bike. > > Leon. > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > while we're on the subject.... i HIGHLY recommend > > the > > following: > > > > http://www.constructorsrg.com/store/page2.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 15:12:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79JCEZ4014036; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:12:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79JCD7O014028; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:12:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D541558.D3604BA4@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:17:44 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: 4 Sale: 1998 Harley Dyna FXD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit darkish blue (don't know the Official Motor Company color name), 31,311 miles, good rubber, speedo/tach, sissy bar, saddlebags and mounts, tools bags, clip-on windscreen. All service done at the Harley dealer including those pesky oil changes. Stock pipes, stock carb, Charlie just rode the thang, RT to California - twice! Charlie is asking 10,500. I rode it from So MD to Annandale today, runs fine & dandy. Bike will be shown at my house in Annandale VA. Bill Huson ho (703) 256-3115 mobile w/voice mail (703) 624-9648 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 15:30:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79JU4Z4014423; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:30:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79JU4Ht014417; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:30:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005d01c23fdb$d9f205e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <20020809184851.76648.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: SEE Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:33:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 You can get the same effect, albeit not quite as trick, for about $20-25 for the pair at your local bicycle shop. No guarantee of accumulating the same farkle points, though :) I think I'll just turn my head. It's free and I need the exercise. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Begeman" > . . . and at $79.50 each, a pair of those would > double the value of my bike. > > Leon. > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > while we're on the subject.... i HIGHLY recommend > > the > > following: > > > > http://www.constructorsrg.com/store/page2.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 15:33:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79JXIZ4014741; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:33:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79JXHMa014735; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:33:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006f01c23fdc$4c65f320$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Tom Gimer" , "Leon Begeman" , References: <20020809185334.31361.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: SEE Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:37:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Um, factor of two error. Make it $320 if it doubles the value. Were you on the Enron account at Arthur Andersen? ;) Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" > > btw, i'll happily take either bike off your hands for $160. > oh, please be sure to leave the fuel cell assembly > intact.... i'll swing by this evening with the truck. > > > > > --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > . . . and at $79.50 each, a pair of those would > > double the value of my bike. > > > > Leon. > > > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > while we're on the subject.... i HIGHLY recommend > > > the > > > following: > > > > > > http://www.constructorsrg.com/store/page2.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 15:33:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79JXLZ4014778; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:33:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79JXKov014771; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:33:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F47A@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: SEE Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:34:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can they take the winds generated at the speeds motorcycles are capable of??? -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 3:33 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SEE You can get the same effect, albeit not quite as trick, for about $20-25 for the pair at your local bicycle shop. No guarantee of accumulating the same farkle points, though :) I think I'll just turn my head. It's free and I need the exercise. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Begeman" > . . . and at $79.50 each, a pair of those would > double the value of my bike. > > Leon. > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > while we're on the subject.... i HIGHLY recommend > > the > > following: > > > > http://www.constructorsrg.com/store/page2.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 15:46:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79JkmZ4015310; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:46:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79Jkmrr015306; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:46:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: fastandwily@XXXXXX Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: hey racers: advanced riding techniques - weight in the curve - question Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:57:17 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4120028591743680@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4120028591743680@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g79JkkZ4015294 We dont' actually slide our tires out there (with a few exceptions) I can't remember ever solely sliding my front tire (maybe i have i dunno) that's not really an issue, that was just him for some reason he leans forward for that reason. So the debate wsa aobut the reason racers lean forward. he says for front end feel, i said for aerodynamics. but anyway, yea I hit the brakes before a curve, and am back off the brakes before the curve.. so I can go into the curve smoothly rolling on the gas.. as well as do my shifting while still upright.. that's assuming i'm speeding up to the curve. I try to do all my riding pretty much textbook. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 15:48:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79Jm3Z4015574; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:48:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79Jm36V015567; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:48:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020809194800.33205.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:48:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: SEE To: Paul Wilson , Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <006f01c23fdc$4c65f320$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Um, factor of two error. Make it $320 if it doubles the > value. Were you on > the Enron account at Arthur Andersen? ;) but he didn't install the items; and, hence, the value hasn't doubled. regardless, because i'm such a good sport, i'll happily take either bike off leon's hands for $320. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Gimer" > > > > > btw, i'll happily take either bike off your hands for > $160. > > oh, please be sure to leave the fuel cell assembly > > intact.... i'll swing by this evening with the truck. > > > > > > --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > > . . . and at $79.50 each, a pair of those would > > > double the value of my bike. > > > > > > Leon. > > > > > > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > while we're on the subject.... i HIGHLY recommend > > > > the > > > > following: > > > > > > > > http://www.constructorsrg.com/store/page2.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 15:53:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79JrWZ4015909; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:53:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79JrVE7015890; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:53:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: Subject: Re: SEE Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 16:03:57 -0400 Message-ID: References: <185.c62a768.2a8554cd@aol.com> <007401c23fce$09587480$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <007401c23fce$09587480$bb82fea9@palladio1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g79JrUZ4015878 And you can always move your elbows to see what's back there.... or use your elbows to block out the blinding high beam of a rookie rider behind you at night. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 15:54:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79JsdZ4016156; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:54:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79Jsd9g016151; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:54:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020809155327.030df550@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rmeyer9@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:54:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Randy Refrow passed away. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed See the entry for today. >Check out: > >http://www.amasuperbike.com/newind.htm and look at 08.07.02 > > >Howard J. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 16:52:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g79KqsZ4017048; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:52:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g79Kqsc4017041; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:52:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020809205253.94714.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:52:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: SEE To: Paul Wilson , Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <006f01c23fdc$4c65f320$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think Gimer's math is correct, but I like Paul's offer better. However, I don't sell used bikes, I buy them. How much would you offer for the fuel cell? I no longer use it. Leon. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Um, factor of two error. Make it $320 if it doubles > the value. Were you on > the Enron account at Arthur Andersen? ;) > > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Gimer" > > > > > > btw, i'll happily take either bike off your hands > for $160. > > oh, please be sure to leave the fuel cell > assembly > > intact.... i'll swing by this evening with the > truck. > > > > > > > > > > --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > > . . . and at $79.50 each, a pair of those would > > > double the value of my bike. > > > > > > Leon. > > > > > > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > while we're on the subject.... i HIGHLY > recommend > > > > the > > > > following: > > > > > > > > http://www.constructorsrg.com/store/page2.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 20:14:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7A0E1Z4019237; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:14:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7A0E0Bu019228; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:14:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001001c24002$68ca5d00$d63b2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Re: New to the List Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:11:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 And don't ferget yer weddin' gift (road kill'll do) and sprite bottle full-o-shine! T ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Tom Gimer --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > NT contributed this message: > Bad puns aside, welcome to the list. Be wary of Chuck & > Tom trying to get you to ride to Aintree (see the movie > Deliverance)... i think a trip to carolina and the famous springmaid campground would be a better way to break in our newest member.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 9 20:53:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7A0rwZ4019670; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:53:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7A0rvLb019666; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:53:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020809204956.00a289d0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 20:50:38 -0400 To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: new to the list In-Reply-To: <20020809152931.5216.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:29 AM 8/9/02, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >....chain lube vs. chain wax, What kind of bikini wax do you guys use on your bikini fairings? -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 10 07:44:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7ABiaUa004294; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 07:44:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7ABiU9p004278; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 07:44:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.49.179.96] From: "Tim Spong" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Topic of Pickups Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:43:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2002 11:43:22.0704 (UTC) FILETIME=[2174D500:01C24063] I am not sure of the origins of this topic, as I am on digest mode. However I am a bit of an authority on this subject. The most toneful pickups you can get for a fender are: 1. Lindy Frailen pickups http://www.fralinpickups.com/ 2. Bill Lawrence pickups http://www.billlawrence.com/ 3. Fender custom shop pickups 4. There are also some tele pickups called velvet hammers that are supposed to be very nice, however, I haven't heard them myself. The above will blow your socks off. They will make your guitar "sing". Joe bardens are pretty good if you are looking for a more "humbucker" sound to your fender. Seymor Duncans are okay, but the above are far better. Lace sensors are very mediocre _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 10 09:08:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7AD8AUa005029; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:08:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7AD89W8005020; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:08:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Tim Spong" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Topic of Pickups Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:05:54 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208100905541T.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Saturday 10 August 2002 07:43, Tim Spong wrote: > I am not sure of the origins of this topic, as I am on digest mode. > However I am a bit of an authority on this subject. The most toneful > pickups you can get for a fender are: > > 1. Lindy Frailen pickups http://www.fralinpickups.com/ > 2. Bill Lawrence pickups http://www.billlawrence.com/ > 3. Fender custom shop pickups > 4. There are also some tele pickups called velvet hammers that are supposed > to be very nice, however, I haven't heard them myself. > Really? I haven't had to change the pickups in my tele yet but I'm not full time practicing either. The poor thing has been sitting in a corner because of home repairs and riding. OBDCC: My wife has her first bike. 1981 Yamaha 250 Exiter. It needs a bit of a tune up and some tightening here and there but it'll pass inspection and she won't be able to get on the highway. I got to wear my "special occasion" t-shirt today: "If you can read this, she's on her own bike" Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 10 09:25:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7ADPrUa005353; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:25:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7ADPqK0005345; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:25:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.65.63.200] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DMV Skills test Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:25:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2002 13:25:45.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[6EBF7B40:01C24071] I have had to retake all my driving tests because, like an idiot, I let my license expire. Now to the point. I went to DMV in Stafford (1.5 miles from home) yesterday with my softail. The Harley "Dresser" before me failed at the cones all 3 times. The cones are spaced at just a little over the Harleys wheel base which make it next to impossible to do. OK my turn. It wasn't easy on a big ol Harley but I get past the cones as I'm a very good slow speed rider (I get a lot of practice in the 19 years of rush hour traffic). After the cones, you need to do a slow u-turn within the prescribed lines. Touched 3 times there in 3 attempts. FAILED!! How embarrassing. I demonstrated to the lady that it was impossible due to the turning radius of my bike. I walked the bike through it with the handle bars as far as they would go and showed her the impossibility. True to my expectations, she could care less. I went back this morning with my ZX9R. I decided to run the course before entering what appeared to be a 3 hour wait inside. Cones were much easier, but in 10 attempts...no way in hell to get the u-turn! Now before you tell me to practice, remember I always practice and I've passed these tests a few times before on a 78 ZK650 with a full fairing, and am quite good at slow maneuvers. I don't remember even once that the u-turn portion of the test WASN'T a piece of cake. So my question....I need feedback on the other VA DMV locations and the skills test they provide. All opinions are appreciated. Thanks, Razz 02 FXSTI 99 ZX9R For sale $6000 89 LTD454 86 LTD454 Check out the "Conflicted Interest" web site! www.conflictedinterest.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 10 09:52:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7ADqXUa005843; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:52:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7ADqXGP005838; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:52:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D551BF0.E5448F91@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:58:08 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Razz Man CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DMV Skills test References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Far as I know, the DMV test course is standardized, and yes, not designed for an easy pass with large bikes or sportbikes, which have limited lock-to-lock handlebar turn. I say an easy pass because I'd bet a trained moto-cop could wheel his/her Hawg thru it. I'm not sure what the stright-up turning radius of my Hawg is, but I'm thinking counterwieghted and leaned way the hell over it would turn in less radius than the SU would indicate. Just for giggles I try doing a figure eight inside the MSF course 20' wide U-turn box with my FLH bagger. Got the leftie down, working on the rightie. Solution, borrow a bike. I used a Yamaha 750 Virago, easy pass. Bill Razz Man wrote: > I have had to retake all my driving tests because, like an idiot, I let my > license expire. Now to the point. I went to DMV in Stafford (1.5 miles from > home) yesterday with my softail. The Harley "Dresser" before me failed at > the cones all 3 times. The cones are spaced at just a little over the > Harleys wheel base which make it next to impossible to do. > OK my turn. It wasn't easy on a big ol Harley but I get past the cones as > I'm a very good slow speed rider (I get a lot of practice in the 19 years of > rush hour traffic). After the cones, you need to do a slow u-turn within the > prescribed lines. Touched 3 times there in 3 attempts. FAILED!! How > embarrassing. I demonstrated to the lady that it was impossible due to the > turning radius of my bike. I walked the bike through it with the handle bars > as far as they would go and showed her the impossibility. True to my > expectations, she could care less. > I went back this morning with my ZX9R. I decided to run the course before > entering what appeared to be a 3 hour wait inside. Cones were much easier, > but in 10 attempts...no way in hell to get the u-turn! > Now before you tell me to practice, remember I always practice and I've > passed these tests a few times before on a 78 ZK650 with a full fairing, and > am quite good at slow maneuvers. I don't remember even once that the u-turn > portion of the test WASN'T a piece of cake. So my question....I need > feedback on the other VA DMV locations and the skills test they provide. All > opinions are appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Razz > 02 FXSTI > 99 ZX9R For sale $6000 > 89 LTD454 > 86 LTD454 > > Check out the "Conflicted Interest" web site! > www.conflictedinterest.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 10 11:26:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7AFQeb7015468; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:26:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7AFQdjc015459; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:26:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00d401c24082$52023e00$88804e0c@dz7wc01> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: Subject: Re: See Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:26:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 You betcha those blindspotters pervaid. Being surprised got so tiresome I mounted an extra set of mirrors (Trak) to catch those abeam'rs nestled in front of my normal mirror scan (mostly in slab riding, of course). Double use: For awareness of what's around in cruising mode, and at least a last check after a scan, signal, and headcheck. Two times in the past couple of years that final abeam-mirror check has caught killer traffic sliding in from other lanes at the last second. Bill S./DC '99 VN750 > Wipe my mirrors: I sweat after close calls Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/9/2002 11:31:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > Good 'un on blind spots. There's also that little sign on 18-wheelers, "if > you can't see my mirrors, I can't see you." And beware of the morons who like to ride in _YOUR_ blind spots, They are out there. One of the disadvantages of fairing mounted mirrors is that they tend to be further away from your eyes resulting in less vision to the rear and bigger blind spots on our bikes. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 10 11:57:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7AFvbb7016081; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:57:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7AFvahE016076; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:57:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00da01c24086$a9f694e0$88804e0c@dz7wc01> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: Subject: Re: SEE Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:57:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Here's an embellishment on the ensuing blindspot hardware discussions (cruiser configuration). My mirrors* are mounted just underneath the factories on their stems using tiny shiny hose clamps. There is a small safety-wire modification (delicately disguised) on each to keep their ball/socket attached should they be jarred in normal cockpit movement. Top speed wind has never been a problem. Various tries with bicycle-type mirrors were unsuccessful for lots of reasons. * at Trak Auto: Rally Child Full-View Mirror No. 3526. Cost - each around $5 IIRC. Sometimes out-of-stock at local stores (lost a few prior-wire). Happy to help anyone with this offlist. Bill S./DC '99VN750 > Want to be seen, heard, but not felt. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 10 12:50:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7AGo8b7016762; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:50:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7AGo8QY016754; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:50:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020810165005.80835.qmail@web21403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:50:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: DMV Skills test To: "William J. Huson" , Razz Man Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3D551BF0.E5448F91@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When I took the VA DMV test last year, the slalom had two different sets of cones: one for 500cc and under, one for over 500cc. In both cases, the cones were offset the wrong way, to make the slalom more difficult than if the cones were in a straight line (crude, hand-drawn explanation of what I mean is at http://www.xhost.org/images/slalom.gif). I could not complete this slalom on a GS-500e, but the examiner passed me anyway (no sweat on the u-turns, stops and swerves, etc.) Afterward, I went back to the course and played around, and even showed the examiner that in order to *walk* the slalom succesfully with the bike, I had to have it at full lock for every cone. Just what does that kind of 1/2 mph crap have to do with the street? Are they aditioning for circus stunts, or testing for safe drivers? -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 10 14:10:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7AIAHb7017517; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:10:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7AIAG9D017498; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:10:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020810140946.01d8dc00@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:10:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: DMV Skills Test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed t 09:50 AM 8/10/2002 -0700, Larry Larson wrote: >When I took the VA DMV test last year, the slalom had >two different sets of cones: one for 500cc and under, >one for over 500cc. In both cases, the cones were >offset the wrong way, to make the slalom more >difficult than if the cones were in a straight line >(crude, hand-drawn explanation of what I mean is at >http://www.xhost.org/images/slalom.gif). I could not >complete this slalom on a GS-500e, but the examiner >passed me anyway (no sweat on the u-turns, stops and >swerves, etc.) Afterward, I went back to the course >and played around, and even showed the examiner that >in order to *walk* the slalom succesfully with the >bike, I had to have it at full lock for every cone. > >Just what does that kind of 1/2 mph crap have to do >with the street? Are they aditioning for circus >stunts, or testing for safe drivers? > >-- Larry from the VA DMV site: (ref: http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/drivers/renewing.asp ) "If your license has expired for more than one year, you must re-take all tests (vision screening, two-part knowledge exam, and road skills test)." So, that means, if your license hasn't lapsed for more than one year, you don't need to take the road skills test again. I don't know how long your license had lapsed but if it's less than one year, you have a valid argument not to have to take the road skills test again. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 10 17:51:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7ALplb7018851; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:51:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7ALpk3K018841; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:51:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020810215143.11669.qmail@web21403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:51:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: DMV Skills Test To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020810140946.01d8dc00@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > So, that means, if your license hasn't lapsed for > more than one year, you > don't need to take the road > skills test again. I don't know how long your > license had lapsed but if > it's less than one year, you have > a valid argument not to have to take the road skills > test again. Aki, I've had a motorcycle license continuously since 1964. I elected to take the VA tests to get a moto endorsement on that license (forgot to ask for it when I moved to VA in 1989) rather than give up a license from another state. I have no problem with that. My problem is that I don't think the VA riding test, like written wuestions such as how much the fine is for a given violation, contribute *anything* toward producing qualified and safe drivers. Regards, Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 10 18:19:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7AMJob7019326; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:19:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7AMJo8W019322; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:19:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D5592D6.B85119C7@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:25:26 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DMV Skills Test References: <20020810215143.11669.qmail@web21403.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > My problem is that I don't think the VA riding test, > like written wuestions such as how much the fine is > for a given violation, contribute *anything* toward > producing qualified and safe drivers. > And the cage driving test does? Haven't taken one of those since before 8-track tapes, but I clearly recall parallel parking and a trip around the block. Before the m/c skills test, which does test one's ability to manuvour the bike, the m/c test was a loop around the block or parking lot with at least one shift and of course - a stop, but not a quick stop. I don't believe the tests are designed to insure qualified safe drivers/riders. What they do is test one for a minimal operational familiarity with the vehicle, nothing more. Even a 3 month long goverment funded Boot Camp in Boston for new drivers wouldn't insure that they'd be safer on the highway, just those that paid attention. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 10 19:26:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7ANQ90r020424; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 19:26:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7ANQ8YA020415; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 19:26:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 10 Aug 2002 23:26:00 GMT Message-ID: <009b01c240c7$31a10160$6401a8c0@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: , "Jennifer Wolny" , "dean s smith" , "Chris Parsons" , Subject: Stuff for sale--some moto, some not Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 19:39:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Hey all...been doing some cleaning this weekend and found some stuff that is going to get sold...thought I would post here first. moto stuff 1. Dowco motorcycle cover. G-50 sport custom. Black and grey. Used for one season. $45.00 obo 2. Brosh XS summer jacket. Grey and black...lightweight w/ kevlar. Used one season. $35.00 non-moto stuff: 1. Cherry Entertainment Center $150; Have had for only three months...brand new! Selling because of Bri and I moving in together and needing room for other stuff. :) http://www.sauder.com/productpage.asp?ProdNumber=2773&From=Entertainment&Sub =Entertainment%5FCenters 2. Two Beautiful bookcases with glass doors. One has glass doors on top with four drawers underneath. Other has glass doors on top with CD/VCR storage and shelves underneath. Will send pictures if interested. Originally $2000 for pair...will sell for $500. 3. Bedroom set. Very manly bedroom set :) Consists of: - One queen sized bed frame, black iron - Single sized dresser (3 drawer) - double sized side-by-side dresser (long, 3 drawers on each side) - one night stand (2 drawer) We still need to take pictures of this, but if interested, let us know. Will negotiate price with those interested. 4. Dining room set, modern, oak with 8' glass table top. Four chairs. Need to take pictures...will get pictures if interested. Will negotiate price with those interested. Laura & Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 11 11:29:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7BFTQHR017483; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:29:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7BFTNP2017470; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:29:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002901c2414c$8a5bb0e0$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Free motorcycle parking in Annapolis Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:34:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I am forwarding this message that I received recently regarding FREE motorcycle parking in Annapolis. I thought some of the listers might be interested in this information. Kathleen >Local residents may be aware of the flap that was started a couple weeks >ago by a downtown Annapolis merchant's complaints about motorcyclists >parking in front of his store. I'm aware that at least one other nearby >merchant who appreciated the business from bikers was calling for a >protest run. > >Well, I think we can turn that planned protest run into a run of >appreciation. Yesterday when I went to downtown Annapolis for brunch, I >found that the city had taken about a dozen parking spaces, right in >front of the Harbormaster's Building at the City Dock, and converted them >to FREE (on Saturdays & Sundays at least) parking for MOTORCYCLES ONLY!! > >This is killer real estate, folks -- convenient to all the bars and >restaurants, not on some side street where vandalism or theft is as big a >concern -- right in view of all the tourists and boaters, so bikers can >show off their scoots. And as long as the city doesn't enforce their "2 >bikes max per space" limit (and why should they, if it's free?), we could >easily fit 36 or more bikes there. > >One thing we need to do is to GET THE WORD OUT!! Currently there aren't >any signs around the downtown area directing bikers towards these spaces. >When I got there I saw only one bike parked, but there were about a dozen >other bikes parked elsewhere around the dock area. If we don't use these >spaces, the city might consider its efforts wasted and take 'em back. > >Considering that I don't know of any other town in Maryland that offers >FREE weekend parking for motorcycles, I think it's deserved. If we do >this right, maybe some other towns will follow their example. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 11 13:58:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7BHwkHR018437; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:58:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7BHwkVU018429; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:58:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:58:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Maddox To: dc-cycles list Subject: OT... way OT! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII But this seems like a pretty diverse group, and for various reasons, I'm at that "oh, what the hell" point. So I'll put this out in a much more public forum than I normally would: I'm looking for martial arts training partners. Not a teacher, not students. Just people to train with. And who knows, there might be some here... The problem is, with my schedule and other committments, I can't afford much travel time (or I'd still work with the last club I belonged to). So, I need to talk people into meeting me near my house (Gaithersburg) some evenings, or near work (Bethesda) earlier. Early mornings (yeah, I know) on weekends are possible pretty much anywhere in that corridor. I do mostly Filipino and Indonesian "stuff", but wouldn't mind trading some of that for, oh, any of a number of Chinese styles, etc., etc. More details on request, let's take it off-list if there's any reply. Thanks! afm -- Andrew Maddox, found at: madsox@XXXXXX Today's Bartism: This punishment is not boring and pointless From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 11 14:48:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7BIm1HR018944; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:48:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7BIm00g018937; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:48:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [24.49.47.130] From: "Randy Moran" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Paging Han Park Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:46:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2002 18:46:54.0045 (UTC) FILETIME=[763580D0:01C24167] Hey Han, give me a call. (703) 327-6348. RPM _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 11 18:27:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7BMRsHR020063; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:27:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7BMRrsU020055; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:27:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020811183119.009ef1c0@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:36:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: hey racers: advanced riding techniques - weight in the curve - question In-Reply-To: <80j7lukv3k4ru1qtk6nc1v7rum05s1htia@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed If you're riding on the street, your body positioning doesn't really make a rats ass; do whatever you find to be the most comfortable. If you're going so fast that you feel you need to learn better body positioning technique to avoid losing traction you need to do one of two things: A. Slow down AND/OR B. Start racing or attending track days. It's that simple. As far as the 40/60 weight distribution ratio, I have no idea where the hell you got that. That's WAY off base. I don't have my setup sheets in front of me, but my FZR400 racebike is closer to 50/50. I'm thinking it was 47/53, or something like that. I can't remember, but I think there was more weight on the front end than on the rear. And if you really must know, when you're "in a curve", your butt should be OFF of the seat. Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 11 21:30:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7C1UHHR021478; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:30:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7C1UGCL021465; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:30:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <011301c2419f$cc7c5120$88804e0c@dz7wc01> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: Subject: Re: Free motorcycle parking in Annapolis -- Morning's Action Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:30:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I've found civic actions to be feast or famine and this morning the table was full. With no advance inkling about events, I pulled into Annapolis about 10a, headed for brunch parking on Dock St., and was confronted with a "Wild One"scene. Bikes all over the lot in front of Ego Alley, etc., ONE TO A SPACE. Probably 50-75 bikes and several police cars around. Surreal. And I hadn't had coffee. Well, 25 yards into the lot a biker-looking fellow points to an empty spot and says "Park in there." Not ready to offer up my bike to the gods I inquired about activities. It turned out to be a (seemingly well-organized) protest against laws restricting parking spaces to max 2 motorcycles (such knowledge making the day -- I'd thought A... was single-bike parking). So I went along with it and parked (without further surprises). Also signed a petition, since I've been anointed with a ticket or two there. There are apparently a lot of ins and outs to the situation which are initially addressed on a small flyer handed out (without mention of a sponsoring group). The action call -- "Contact our local representatives and let them know! Tell them that you support raising the number of bikes per spot! Makes more room for all!" The Mayor and Aldermans (Alderpersons? Aldermen?) were listed, along with what seems to be the A.. city phone no. 410 263 7997 and website http://www.ci.annapolis.md.us/citizens/council/contact.html. The flyer also thanked the Police Dept. (correctly directed gratitude?) for the new motorcycle spaces (below). During the 1-1/2 hours I was there the demo looked sanctioned and peaceful. Police and bikers were chatting and normal summer ambience prevailed. So, timing seems propitious for those so inclined to contact A.. city government and let them know their thoughts about further solutions to A.. MC parking. The new spaces seem an already large welcome step. Bill S./DC '99VN750 > Harleys, Harleys everywhere. Extra layer of sunglasses required. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -------------- Kathleen KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX wrote: I am forwarding this message that I received recently regarding FREE motorcycle parking in Annapolis. I thought some of the listers might be interested in this information. Kathleen >Local residents may be aware of the flap that was started a couple weeks >ago by a downtown Annapolis merchant's complaints about motorcyclists >parking in front of his store. I'm aware that at least one other nearby >merchant who appreciated the business from bikers was calling for a >protest run. > >Well, I think we can turn that planned protest run into a run of >appreciation. Yesterday when I went to downtown Annapolis for brunch, I >found that the city had taken about a dozen parking spaces, right in >front of the Harbormaster's Building at the City Dock, and converted them >to FREE (on Saturdays & Sundays at least) parking for MOTORCYCLES ONLY!! > >This is killer real estate, folks -- convenient to all the bars and >restaurants, not on some side street where vandalism or theft is as big a >concern -- right in view of all the tourists and boaters, so bikers can >show off their scoots. And as long as the city doesn't enforce their "2 >bikes max per space" limit (and why should they, if it's free?), we could >easily fit 36 or more bikes there. > >One thing we need to do is to GET THE WORD OUT!! Currently there aren't >any signs around the downtown area directing bikers towards these spaces. >When I got there I saw only one bike parked, but there were about a dozen >other bikes parked elsewhere around the dock area. If we don't use these >spaces, the city might consider its efforts wasted and take 'em back. > >Considering that I don't know of any other town in Maryland that offers >FREE weekend parking for motorcycles, I think it's deserved. If we do >this right, maybe some other towns will follow their example. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 08:09:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CC9nHR024992; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:09:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CC9hVp024973; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:09:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020812120920.25155.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 05:09:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: SEE To: Leon Begeman , Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020809184851.76648.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i actually only use ONE (mounted left-side). and, i'd pay much more if i had to for improved vision.... --- Leon Begeman wrote: > . . . and at $79.50 each, a pair of those would > double the value of my bike. > > Leon. > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > while we're on the subject.... i HIGHLY recommend > > the > > following: > > > > http://www.constructorsrg.com/store/page2.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 08:16:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CCGYHR025277; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:16:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CCGX4w025271; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:16:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D57A86D.B479BBC3@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:22:05 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: link request... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My dog slow connection makes web surfing painful, so in the hope that y`all have bookmarks on call, I'm apealing to y`all for links to motorcycle boneyards AKA recyclers. Harley parts of course. What I'm looking for is an intact but not neccessarily perfect Road Glide fairing. I can fix fiberglass, so cracks and scuffs are no problem. The RG fairing is the only frame mounted one Harley makes, and it will bolt on my FLHS. Yes, clipon windscreens sucketh royally, too much buffeting when the wind blows. My plan, bolt on the RG fairing and smooth out the ride! If you have links to boneyards, please send them to me. I've found a few but no luck finding fairings. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 08:19:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CCJnHR025545; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:19:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CCJnPL025541; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:19:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020812082114.0162014c@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:21:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Bar end mirrors (was SEE) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:09 AM 8/12/02 -0700, you wrote: > > > > http://www.constructorsrg.com/store/page2.html > >i actually only use ONE (mounted left-side). and, i'd pay >much more if i had to for improved vision.... Do they mount to the tip of the bar ends or would those of us with bar end weights have to make a sort of custom mount? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 08:26:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CCQPHR025850; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:26:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CCQPQV025844; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:26:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020812082750.0253e89c@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:28:22 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: link request... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:22 AM 8/12/02 -0400, William J. Huson wrote: >If you have links to boneyards, please send them to me. I've found a >few but no luck finding fairings. > >Bill I did a quick search on google looking for 'harley used parts salvage' and came up with a few decent hits. http://www.mscycle.com/usedparts/harleyparts.html http://www.jackscyclesalvage.com/ http://www.motosalvagedirectory.com/maryland.html -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 08:48:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CCmLHR026205; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:48:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CCmLYx026201; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:48:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926C3@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: threw my chain Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:48:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For some reason i have chain issues! I threw it this morning on my way home. I then walked it about 1/2 mile home. Can i put that chain back on? Can it be done w/o undoing the lock? How hard is it to do? Anything to look out for? I'd be using a Haynes manual. If anyone wants to come to McLean tonight to help me, i'd be more than happy to have company. Thanks. Rich '94 Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 08:49:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CCnlHR026472; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:49:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CCnk5d026467; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:49:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020812124934.45863.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 05:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Bar end mirrors (was SEE) To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020812082114.0162014c@noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the website shows how they can be mounted. however, my feeling is that, despite the suggestion that they can be directly mounted to the bars, you would need to remove the bar end weights and install the in-bar adapter. perhaps a bar snake would be best used in conjunction with these mirrors in such a situation. jon strang? how is your bike set up now? i thought you had bar end weights before installing these..... --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > At 05:09 AM 8/12/02 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > > http://www.constructorsrg.com/store/page2.html > > > >i actually only use ONE (mounted left-side). and, i'd > pay > >much more if i had to for improved vision.... > > Do they mount to the tip of the bar ends or would those > of us with bar end > weights have to make a sort of custom mount? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 08:51:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CCpIHR026756; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:51:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CCpHKT026749; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:51:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: hey racers: advanced riding techniques - weight in the curve - question Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:50:40 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <000c01c241fe$e0512c70$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020811183119.009ef1c0@mail.mac.com> Not static weight which is around 50/50. It's the weight distribution under load which when accelerating puts weight on the back wheel. Basically it says that the rear wheel has 60% of the traction, the front only 40%. I think everyone was quoting the same source: Keith Code's - Twist of the Wrist II. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Jordan [mailto:eternity23@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:37 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: hey racers: advanced riding techniques - weight > in the curve - question > > > If you're riding on the street, your body positioning doesn't > really make a > rats ass; do whatever you find to be the most comfortable. > > If you're going so fast that you feel you need to learn better body > positioning technique to avoid losing traction you need to do > one of two > things: > > A. Slow down > > AND/OR > > B. Start racing or attending track days. > > It's that simple. > > As far as the 40/60 weight distribution ratio, I have no idea > where the > hell you got that. That's WAY off base. I don't have my setup > sheets in > front of me, but my FZR400 racebike is closer to 50/50. I'm > thinking it was > 47/53, or something like that. I can't remember, but I think > there was more > weight on the front end than on the rear. > > And if you really must know, when you're "in a curve", your > butt should be > OFF of the seat. > > Sean Jordan > Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 09:06:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CD6OHR027110; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:06:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CD6O8I027106; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:06:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005a01c24201$c5cde200$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Rich Hall" , References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926C3@SERVER1> Subject: Re: threw my chain Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:11:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Did the master link fail? Rivet or clip type? Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Hall" To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:48 AM Subject: threw my chain > > For some reason i have chain issues! > > I threw it this morning on my way home. I then walked it about 1/2 mile > home. > > Can i put that chain back on? > Can it be done w/o undoing the lock? > How hard is it to do? > Anything to look out for? > > I'd be using a Haynes manual. > > If anyone wants to come to McLean tonight to help me, i'd be more than happy > to have company. > > Thanks. > > Rich > '94 Seca II > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 09:19:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CDJrHR027512; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:19:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CDJqoY027500; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:19:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926C4@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: "''dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' '" Subject: RE: threw my chain Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:20:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry, i'm a lil tired/frustrated from pushing the bike. The chain is still connected. It has about 3k miles on it. -----Original Message----- From: Rich Hall To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' Sent: 8/12/02 8:48 AM Subject: threw my chain For some reason i have chain issues! I threw it this morning on my way home. I then walked it about 1/2 mile home. Can i put that chain back on? Can it be done w/o undoing the lock? How hard is it to do? Anything to look out for? I'd be using a Haynes manual. If anyone wants to come to McLean tonight to help me, i'd be more than happy to have company. Thanks. Rich '94 Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 09:23:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CDNpHR027791; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:23:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CDNogb027786; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:23:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: Stevens John R DLVA To: "DC Cycles Mailing List (E-mail)" Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:23:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hmmm, Bike Night in Annapolis? John Waldorf, MD '02 VFR '77 GS750 (sold!) > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > >From: "Kathleen Loerich" >To: >Subject: Free motorcycle parking in Annapolis >Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:34:10 -0400 > >I am forwarding this message that I received recently regarding FREE >motorcycle parking in Annapolis. > >I thought some of the listers might be interested in this information. > >Kathleen > > > > >Local residents may be aware of the flap that was started a couple weeks >ago by a downtown Annapolis merchant's complaints about motorcyclists >parking in front of his store. I'm aware that at least one other nearby >merchant who appreciated the business from bikers was calling for a >protest run. > >Well, I think we can turn that planned protest run into a run of >appreciation. Yesterday when I went to downtown Annapolis for brunch, I >found that the city had taken about a dozen parking spaces, right in >front of the Harbormaster's Building at the City Dock, and converted them >to FREE (on Saturdays & Sundays at least) parking for MOTORCYCLES ONLY!! > >This is killer real estate, folks -- convenient to all the bars and >restaurants, not on some side street where vandalism or theft is as big a >concern -- right in view of all the tourists and boaters, so bikers can >show off their scoots. And as long as the city doesn't enforce their "2 >bikes max per space" limit (and why should they, if it's free?), we could >easily fit 36 or more bikes there. > >One thing we need to do is to GET THE WORD OUT!! Currently there aren't >any signs around the downtown area directing bikers towards these spaces. >When I got there I saw only one bike parked, but there were about a dozen >other bikes parked elsewhere around the dock area. If we don't use these >spaces, the city might consider its efforts wasted and take 'em back. > >Considering that I don't know of any other town in Maryland that offers >FREE weekend parking for motorcycles, I think it's deserved. If we do >this right, maybe some other towns will follow their example. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 09:30:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CDUEHR028099; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:30:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CDUEsd028095; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:30:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.2.20020812092301.00a673e0@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.1 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:30:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: RE: threw my chain In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926C4@SERVER1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:20 AM 8/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Sorry, i'm a lil tired/frustrated from pushing the bike. The chain is still >connected. It has about 3k miles on it. Threw it, but it is still connected, just not on the sprocket? When was the last time it was tightened? What kind of shape are the sprockets in? They should be a nice U shape, with both sides basically going straight out from the center of the sprocket. If they have one side longer than the other and or your sprocket is starting to look like a saw blade, its probably time for a new chain and a set of sprockets [1]. I've never seen the business end of a Seca up close, but, on most bikes, there's some method for moving the rear axle back and forward to adjust the tension on the chain -- it general involves loosening a nut, sliding the axle, possibly using some sort of adjustment screws, to where you want it and tightening the nut back up. There should be information about this in the manual you mentioned. You might be able to do this, push the axle all the way forward, get the chain back on the sprockets, then adjust it back until you have the proper chain tension. [1] Why is it that every time I hear the word "Sprockets" I think "Now is de time ven ve dance" in a really hokey German accent? >-----Original Message----- >From: Rich Hall >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' >Sent: 8/12/02 8:48 AM >Subject: threw my chain > > >For some reason i have chain issues! > >I threw it this morning on my way home. I then walked it about 1/2 mile >home. > >Can i put that chain back on? >Can it be done w/o undoing the lock? >How hard is it to do? >Anything to look out for? > >I'd be using a Haynes manual. > >If anyone wants to come to McLean tonight to help me, i'd be more than >happy >to have company. > >Thanks. > >Rich >'94 Seca II -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 09:30:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CDUHHR028136; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:30:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CDUGTr028131; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:30:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020812133014.42730.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:30:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: threw my chain To: Rich Hall , "''dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' '" In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926C4@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii move rear wheel as forward as possible; align chain on rear sprocket; roll bike forward until mounted; move rear wheel back to proper tension. it concerns me that the chain would be so loose as to fall off the rear sprocket in the first place. have you been properly inspecting and maintaining it? --- Rich Hall wrote: > Sorry, i'm a lil tired/frustrated from pushing the bike. > The chain is still > connected. It has about 3k miles on it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rich Hall > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' > Sent: 8/12/02 8:48 AM > Subject: threw my chain > > > For some reason i have chain issues! > > I threw it this morning on my way home. I then walked it > about 1/2 mile > home. > > Can i put that chain back on? > Can it be done w/o undoing the lock? > How hard is it to do? > Anything to look out for? > > I'd be using a Haynes manual. > > If anyone wants to come to McLean tonight to help me, i'd > be more than > happy > to have company. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 09:32:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CDW5HR028655; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:32:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CDW5eP028650; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:32:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 12 Aug 2002 13:32:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20020812133202.8649.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: threw my chain X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) >Sorry, i'm a lil tired/frustrated from pushing the bike. The chain is still >connected. It has about 3k miles on it. [Dave] so, you are saying that the chain is still one continuous loop, regardless of whether it's connected by rivet link, clip, etc... you just "threw" the chain off ? Was it loose, or are your sprockets in need of replacement ? You should just be able to reconnect the chain, but my concern is the reason it came off in the 1st place... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 09:33:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CDX2HR028926; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:33:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CDX1Il028921; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:33:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020812133259.93874.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:32:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: threw my chain To: Dan Brown , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.2.20020812092301.00a673e0@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dan Brown wrote: > At 09:20 AM 8/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: > [1] Why is it that every time I hear the word "Sprockets" > I think "Now is de > time ven ve dance" in a really hokey German accent? would you like to touch my monkey? TOUCH HIM! LOVE HIM!! -- dieter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 09:33:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CDXZHR029192; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:33:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CDXZM3029185; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:33:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020812133332.79998.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:33:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: DMV Skills Test To: "William J. Huson" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3D5592D6.B85119C7@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I took the DC road test last year, and altho it may have just been a temporary set up, the entire test consisted of one figure 8 on a public side street that was about 30' wide. Had to make the 8 between 2 telephone poles that were so far apart that length of the 8 was essentially not part of the test. A *car* could've done a figure eight on that street ... jib --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Larry Larson wrote: > > > My problem is that I don't think the VA riding > test, > > like written wuestions such as how much the fine > is > > for a given violation, contribute *anything* > toward > > producing qualified and safe drivers. > > > > And the cage driving test does? Haven't taken one of > those since before > 8-track tapes, but I clearly recall parallel parking > and a trip around > the block. Before the m/c skills test, which does > test one's ability to > manuvour the bike, the m/c test was a loop around > the block or parking > lot with at least one shift and of course - a stop, > but not a quick > stop. > > I don't believe the tests are designed to insure > qualified safe > drivers/riders. What they do is test one for a > minimal operational > familiarity with the vehicle, nothing more. Even a > 3 month long > goverment funded Boot Camp in Boston for new drivers > wouldn't insure > that they'd be safer on the highway, just those that > paid attention. > > Bill > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 09:35:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CDZSHR029463; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:35:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CDZRFH029457; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:35:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: threw my chain Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:34:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2002 13:34:20.0434 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6994F20:01C24204] Rich, I'm not chain expert, preferring shaft drive, but I have some experience with the ugly bastards. Assuming that no obvious damage has been done, and that the chain is intact, I would think that you could perform the standard chain adjustment process, bringing the axle (and sprocket) in towards the center of the bike, repositioning the chain on the sprocket (making sure to get the links properly equalized top and bottom) and then perform a proper adjustment of the chain, bringing the axle towards the rear of the bike until it is adjusted to spec. I'm guessing - barring gross breakage - that your chain was too loose, and your suspension compressed, adding enough slack to cause the chain to jump the sprocket. With any luck, you can just reposition and adjust it and be OK. Of course, you may have damage up at the transmission output that you can't see without removing some covers. Good luck Perry >From: Rich Hall >To: "''dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' '" >Subject: RE: threw my chain >Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:20:29 -0400 > >Sorry, i'm a lil tired/frustrated from pushing the bike. The chain is >still >connected. It has about 3k miles on it. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rich Hall >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' >Sent: 8/12/02 8:48 AM >Subject: threw my chain > > >For some reason i have chain issues! > >I threw it this morning on my way home. I then walked it about 1/2 mile >home. > >Can i put that chain back on? >Can it be done w/o undoing the lock? >How hard is it to do? >Anything to look out for? > >I'd be using a Haynes manual. > >If anyone wants to come to McLean tonight to help me, i'd be more than >happy >to have company. > >Thanks. > >Rich >'94 Seca II _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 09:37:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CDbAHR029738; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:37:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CDb9ch029731; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:37:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020812133707.89952.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: RE: threw my chain To: Dan Brown , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.2.20020812092301.00a673e0@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii About how often should a chain need to be tightened? I inspect mine everytime I ride. I've put over 2700 miles on the new chain/Sprokets and have only had to tighten my chain once, does this sound right, or is this normal? If the chain was so loose as to come off the rear sprocket, wouldn't there been some sort of noise/vibration coming from the chain being so loose?(imagine it slapping the swing arm) Nick --- Dan Brown wrote: > At 09:20 AM 8/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >Sorry, i'm a lil tired/frustrated from pushing the > bike. The chain is still > >connected. It has about 3k miles on it. > > > Threw it, but it is still connected, just not on the > sprocket? When was > the last time it was tightened? What kind of shape > are the sprockets in? > They should be a nice U shape, with both sides > basically going straight out > from the center of the sprocket. If they have one > side longer than the > other and or your sprocket is starting to look like > a saw blade, its > probably time for a new chain and a set of sprockets > [1]. > > I've never seen the business end of a Seca up close, > but, on most bikes, > there's some method for moving the rear axle back > and forward to adjust the > tension on the chain -- it general involves > loosening a nut, sliding the > axle, possibly using some sort of adjustment > screws, to where you want it > and tightening the nut back up. There should be > information about this in > the manual you mentioned. You might be able to do > this, push the axle all > the way forward, get the chain back on the > sprockets, then adjust it back > until you have the proper chain tension. > > > [1] Why is it that every time I hear the word > "Sprockets" I think "Now is de > time ven ve dance" in a really hokey German accent? > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Rich Hall > >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' > >Sent: 8/12/02 8:48 AM > >Subject: threw my chain > > > > > >For some reason i have chain issues! > > > >I threw it this morning on my way home. I then > walked it about 1/2 mile > >home. > > > >Can i put that chain back on? > >Can it be done w/o undoing the lock? > >How hard is it to do? > >Anything to look out for? > > > >I'd be using a Haynes manual. > > > >If anyone wants to come to McLean tonight to help > me, i'd be more than > >happy > >to have company. > > > >Thanks. > > > >Rich > >'94 Seca II > > -- > Resist or Serve > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 10:07:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CE7iHR030339; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:07:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CE7hJY030334; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:07:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F4DA@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: "''dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' '" Subject: RE: threw my chain Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:08:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It happened at a stop light btw, so nothing crazy. It did suck being in the left lane of 3 plus 1 turn lane though, when the light turned green and I realized I wasn't going anywhere. -----Original Message----- From: Rich Hall [mailto:RichH@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:20 AM To: ''dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' ' Subject: RE: threw my chain Sorry, i'm a lil tired/frustrated from pushing the bike. The chain is still connected. It has about 3k miles on it. -----Original Message----- From: Rich Hall To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX ' Sent: 8/12/02 8:48 AM Subject: threw my chain For some reason i have chain issues! I threw it this morning on my way home. I then walked it about 1/2 mile home. Can i put that chain back on? Can it be done w/o undoing the lock? How hard is it to do? Anything to look out for? I'd be using a Haynes manual. If anyone wants to come to McLean tonight to help me, i'd be more than happy to have company. Thanks. Rich '94 Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 10:10:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CEAOHR030627; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:10:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CEANdR030617; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:10:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.249.198.220] From: "Pierre C" To: nyc-moto@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: 98 VFR for Sale Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:10:13 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2002 14:10:13.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA3918E0:01C24209] Hello all, Sorry for the spam. This is my moving sale. I am selling all my VFR and my motorcycle equipment and r real cheap. Taxes and transport to Italy are way too expensive. I will use my brother's Ninja once there. 98 vfr corbin seat D&D can Powercommander Gorilla Alarm Discklock Arai Helmet (XL) and HJC helmet (large) BMW Savannah suit (XL) Toold and all of my oiling and cleaning products (including powercommander cleaning stuff) $4850 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 10:12:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CECQHR030916; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:12:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CECQlu030911; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:12:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020812101050.02281ea8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:12:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: threw my chain In-Reply-To: <20020812133707.89952.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.0.1.4.2.20020812092301.00a673e0@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:37 AM 8/12/2002, Nicholas Thompson wrote: >About how often should a chain need to be tightened? >I inspect mine everytime I ride. I've put over 2700 >miles on the new chain/Sprokets and have only had to >tighten my chain once, does this sound right, or is >this normal? There is no normal. My chain never needs tightening for some reason. Last time it was tightened was when they put the new chain on a little over 10k miles ago. It has perfect slack. Odd. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 10:14:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CEEaHR031185; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:14:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CEEaPC031179; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:14:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'Sean Jordan'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: More pick up info Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:14:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Lace's are nice. I threw an EMG-81 in the bridge position and an EMG-85 at the neck... killer. Increased my LP output by 25%... Although I hammer out some guitar work when needed, I really am a bassist and always have been (Fender Jazz Fretless)... Steinberger 5. gb The Nodes (Classic Rock) The Cutters (22 piece swing band) Jass Stompers (7 piece Dixie-Trad Jazz band) Crossroads (a bunch of Zappa influenced rockers who get together whenever) [Sean wrote]Topic of Pickups I've always liked Seymor Duncans. That's what I have in my Thinline Telecaster. The stock Fender Lace Sensors in my Strat are pretty nice too. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 10:16:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CEGSHR031464; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:16:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CEGSAS031457; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:16:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020812141625.87028.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:16:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: threw my chain To: Nicholas Thompson , Dan Brown , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020812133707.89952.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Nicholas Thompson wrote: > About how often should a chain need to be tightened? only when it gets loose, bro.... > I inspect mine everytime I ride. I've put over 2700 > miles on the new chain/Sprokets and have only had to > tighten my chain once, does this sound right, or is > this normal? sounds like a scoot with relatively low hp/torque numbers (or a rider with a less than aggressive riding style)... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 10:36:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CEaFHR031949; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:36:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CEaEsk031941; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:36:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:39:13 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Impressions of the Dragon Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I finally got a chance to head out to Deal's Gap this weekend. A friend of mine was heading down to the BMW gathering in Boone, NC and we figured we'd head out west and check out what all the hype was about. I left Friday afternoon, after work, headed to Boone to camp for the nite. We took some wrong turns and got pretty lost and didn't hit the dragon until 4pm Sat. With 360 miles riding that day, I wasn't going to push it too hard, but I did have a decent run up and down. The road is very nice, fresh pavement, no gravel and pretty twisty. There were a fair amount of cars, but most pulled over and let us by. Also saw 4 police cars, 1 staked out on top of the mountain. Most of the sportbike crowd was at the top of the mountain not doing much of anything. There was one wreck, didn't look too bad. Ealier we passed by a nicely torn up Gixxer scattered on one of the roads leading to 129. I have to say it's a very nice strech of road. Certainly not the most technical, not the most scenic, but a good package. Is it worth riding down to see it?... yeah maybe, but not to ride it regularly, there is plenty in WV that is just as much fun and much closer. Riding back yesterday was hell. The air temp never dropped below 95 degrees from Wilkesboro NC to well past Richmond, and hit a peak of 100 for quite a while. After 37 hours of riding and 1496 miles, I am BEAT. Dan -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 10:57:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CEv9HR032359; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:57:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CEv9C1032354; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:57:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:00:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: threw my chain In-Reply-To: <20020812141625.87028.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:16:25 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Gimer > --- Nicholas Thompson wrote: > > About how often should a chain need to be tightened? > > only when it gets loose, bro.... There probably are specs on the amount of "loose" that is acceptable listed in your owners manual or clymer, or whatever. IIRC, a very general rule of thumb is like 3/4 to 1" of slack. I try to check mine out before each ride. On longer rides, I tend to check at gas stops. My old CB750 seemed to need adjustment about every 300 miles. The VFR seems to be able to go a good bit longer, and is a hell of a lot easier to adjust than the CB750. > > I inspect mine everytime I ride. I've put over 2700 > > miles on the new chain/Sprokets and have only had to > > tighten my chain once, does this sound right, or is > > this normal? > > sounds like a scoot with relatively low hp/torque numbers > (or a rider with a less than aggressive riding style)... And/or, possibly, a properly lubed o-ring chain. BTW, WTF? Is this DC-Cycles? Has been way way way too much content in the last week. What the hell Gimer, you're slacking on the flame department! -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 12:37:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CGbWHR000910; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:37:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CGbRpK000899; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:37:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:37:23 -0400 Subject: Re: threw my chain From: Rob Curtis To: Rich Hall , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F4DA@SERVER1> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Rich- Let me know if you need any help (other than over the next two nights!) I've replaced the chain on my old Seca and it's no biggie. The specs are about an inch of play, I have the exact measurement for slack at home. I'll get it to you tonight. I have the factory service manual for your bike. It has all the info you could want about servicing the Seca. Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 13:00:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CH0hHR001333; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:00:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CH0hpb001328; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:00:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:56:37 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: threw my chain Message-ID: <58733E5E.12FFDF27.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Same here. I had a new chain and sprocket put on before my trip to Cali and the originals (2000 R6 bought new) were still in good shape. Close to 11000 miles on'em. Never tightened and only lubed a couple times. I'm not very mechanically inclined. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Mon, 12 Aug 2002 9:12:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > At 09:37 AM 8/12/2002, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > >About how often should a chain need to be tightened? > >I inspect mine everytime I ride. I've put over 2700 > >miles on the new chain/Sprokets and have only had to > >tighten my chain once, does this sound right, or is > >this normal? > > There is no normal. My chain never needs tightening for some reason. Last > time it was tightened was when they put the new chain on a > little over 10k > miles ago. It has perfect slack. Odd. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 13:20:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CHKhHR001830; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:20:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CHKhY7001826; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:20:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020812172040.19983.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:20:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tight Squeeze Racing Subject: Redskins Tickets To: tardzan@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I bought Redskins Season Tickets this year, but can't use them all due to my racing schedule. If there is a game you would like to attend, please let me know. Face value of the tickets are $70, so I'm looking for $150obo for the pair to cover finance charges and shipping fees. Please visit the following website for seating, schedule, and ticket availability. Thanks, Steve Clark TightSqueezeRacing.org P.S. The Washington Redskins are an American Football Team based in Washington, DC. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 13:20:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CHKtHR001872; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:20:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CHKtNw001868; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:20:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:20:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: threw my chain In-Reply-To: <58733E5E.12FFDF27.0C9D3659@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Same here. I had a new chain and sprocket put on before my trip to Cali and the originals (2000 R6 bought new) were still in good shape. Close to 11000 miles on'em. Never tightened and only lubed a couple times. I'm not very mechanically inclined. ;-) > > Scooter I've been through 3 chain adjustments (not counting the tire R&R) and lubing/cleaning every ~400 miles on my '02 Hayabusa. This is after about 3600 miles. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 13:55:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CHtwHR002688; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:55:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CHtvNi002680; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:55:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.249.198.149] From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: SPAM: VFR moving sale-- some corrections Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:55:50 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2002 17:55:50.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E859050:01C24229] Did i say i am always very impulsive? I shoudl have thought this more carefully. I should rewrite my ad as follows: VFR 800 1998 for sale. K&N filter (NOT powercommander darn) dewco cover (perhaps 4 months old) tank bag tank bra D&D can Corbin seat Gorilla alarm one new oil filter Disk lock Battery tender BMW savannah XL suit Arai and HJC helmet Two sets of tools and wrenches All kinds of lubricants and stuff Dunlop 204/207 combo with plenty of thread brakes are good conditions with still a lot of life in them chain has at least another 8k miles but more if you treat it well Everything is good otherwise. Price fot he bike is 5300 if you buy all the stuff. Sorry, i screwed up with the price. This is just too much stuff. If you don't want part of the stuff, then we can revise the price. Cheers, Pierfrancesco WASHINGTON DC DOWNTOWN (202) 22855725 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 14:05:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CI5NHR003052; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:05:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CI5Ndt003046; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:05:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <45.1b9a5565.2a8952d8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:05:12 EDT Subject: Re: threw my chain To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/12/2002 1:21:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > I've been through 3 chain adjustments (not counting the tire R&R) and > lubing/cleaning every ~400 miles on my '02 Hayabusa. This is after about > 3600 miles. Competition riding, dirt, Florida "sugar" sand/mud, Enduro race (Blind Cross country,) about 100mi. Step 1: Put on new chain. Step 2: Lube and adjust at midpoint. Step 3: Remove and throw away at end. I like shaft drive! Another factor is the quality of the chain. (many years ago now) A mechanic at our shop put on a chain from a new vendor, it broke on the test ride, put a new one on, it broke on the test ride, 3 times, sent the shit back. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 14:20:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CIKcHR003509; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:20:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CIKbhv003504; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:20:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020812182035.73051.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:20:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: SPAM: VFR moving sale-- some corrections To: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii questions: 1. where in nyc is the bike currently located? i would prefer a mid-town manhattan exchange. 2. does the bike have any history of electrical problems? 3. what lubricants do you have, and will you be including any toys? --- Pierre C wrote: > Did i say i am always very impulsive? > I shoudl have thought this more carefully. I should > rewrite my ad as > follows: > > VFR 800 1998 for sale. > > K&N filter (NOT powercommander darn) > dewco cover (perhaps 4 months old) > tank bag > tank bra > D&D can > Corbin seat > Gorilla alarm > one new oil filter > > Disk lock > Battery tender > BMW savannah XL suit > Arai and HJC helmet > Two sets of tools and wrenches > All kinds of lubricants and stuff > > Dunlop 204/207 combo with plenty of thread > brakes are good conditions with still a lot of life in > them > chain has at least another 8k miles but more if you treat > it well > Everything is good otherwise. > > Price fot he bike is 5300 if you buy all the stuff. > Sorry, i screwed up > with the price. This is just too much stuff. If you > don't want part of the > stuff, then we can revise the price. > > Cheers, > Pierfrancesco > WASHINGTON DC DOWNTOWN (202) 22855725 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 14:44:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CIivHR003875; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:44:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CIiuvs003870; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:44:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D580370.CCBD050B@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:50:24 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: SEE and be seen... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Excellant input on the prior SEE thread, lot of good suggestions from y`all. I keeping with the MSF mantra, see and be seen, I went hunting for a vest. The MSF site had a sale, $12 & change. Yep, reflective stripes, cool mesh, but ... black? See and be seen in basic black? I'm sure they had other colors but my antique Netscape 4.7 browser wouldn't let me cruise the catalogue. Bummer. Home Depot this noon, and I SEE a vest on display! Cool. Poopy orange but they had them in lime/yallar too - $10. What a deal. I get home and check it out, nice, my eyes hurt, must work. It wieghs all of a half ounce, open mesh, velcro closure (rated to 70 MPH?) Of course the vest had instructions on how to put it on - duh, and a disclaimer. WARNING: Do not use as a floatation device. Injury or death could result. Now I'm holding this vest, so featherwieght it kinda makes me think about those filmy underthangs in Milady's lingerie drawer, and I'm thinking, what damn fool would even think about using it as a flotation vest? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 14:54:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CIsLHR004218; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:54:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CIsLda004214; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:54:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "William J. Huson" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: SEE and be seen... Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:51:50 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3D580370.CCBD050B@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3D580370.CCBD050B@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02081214515024.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 12 August 2002 14:50, William J. Huson wrote: > Excellant input on the prior SEE thread, lot of good suggestions from > y`all. > > I keeping with the MSF mantra, see and be seen, I went hunting for a > vest. The MSF site had a sale, $12 & change. Yep, reflective stripes, > cool mesh, but ... black? See and be seen in basic black? I'm sure > they had other colors but my antique Netscape 4.7 browser wouldn't let > me cruise the catalogue. Bummer. > > Home Depot this noon, and I SEE a vest on display! Cool. Poopy orange > but they had them in lime/yallar too - $10. What a deal. I get home > and check it out, nice, my eyes hurt, must work. It wieghs all of a > half ounce, open mesh, velcro closure (rated to 70 MPH?) > Yep, I have one like that. Mine's a tie on rather than velcro and no reflective strips. Got ours at K-Mart > Of course the vest had instructions on how to put it on - duh, and a > disclaimer. WARNING: Do not use as a floatation device. Injury or > death could result. > > Now I'm holding this vest, so featherwieght it kinda makes me think > about those filmy underthangs in Milady's lingerie drawer, and I'm > thinking, what damn fool would even think about using it as a flotation > vest? Windows Administrators :-) Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 15:28:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CJSPHR004702; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:28:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CJSOIH004694; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:28:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:31:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Short ride out to White's Ferry Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Rode out to White's Ferry yesterday (Sunday) afternoon, from Arlington. Was fun. Pretty glorious weather, though slightly on the hot side. Gassed up at Ballston, then went up Glebe, Crossed Chain Bridge, then had to navigate in a residential area, because of a "right turn only" at the end of Chain Bridge. Got back on Clara Barton Pkw out to Macarthor and took that up to Falls road. Falls Road ran into MD Rt 190 in Potomac. I took that west until it ran into River road, made a left and followed that back into the sticks. Some where back there, at the corner of, I htink Offutt and Edwards Ferry Road, I found a guy with an airhead B'mer who had a flat tire. His valve stem had broken and then defied his efforts to do field repairs. He'd recently changed his tire and then afterward his shocks, both of which required a deflation/inflation cycle - he was thinking that might have weakened things. He had assistance on the way, but didn't have any water. I shared some of that I had and chatted for a while. He's not a lister, but I told him about DC-Cycles. After getting some direction from a map that he had, I headed out towards Poolesville to get him some more water. I ran into White's ferry Road -- made a left and headed towards the river, as I knew there was a concession stand at the ferry. I probably should have made the right and headed into Poolesville, but didn't realize how close I was. Got the water and a couple powerbars. As I was packing up, there was another Bmer there, light blue -- this one was a K bike, I think. They were heading out at the same time. While we were getting suited up, a guy on an R1 pulled up and announced that he'd just had a close encounter with a tractor. As he started in with "I was going about 80 miles an hour..." I think the guy on the bmer and I both shook our heads at the same time -- most of the roads out there are marked 40 or 45mph, and there are tractor and deer signs all over the place (where there were actually signs, anyhow). On the way back, I missed the turn onto Edwards Ferry Rd, ended up in Poolesville and had to turn around. Finally got myself oriented and returned to the stranded rider with the flat tire. Gave him the supplies. He'd gotten a call from his friends and they were on the way, after having picked up the trailer. They still had a ways to go. I hope he got home ok, but he seemed to be doing ok and had a cell phone. People were stopping by periodically, offering help and such - couple HD riders offered a beer even. Cruised back up to the Ferry and rode across, back to the Commonwealth. As we were going across, watched a couple guys on a jetski doing tight circles and figure 8's. The general physics looked similar to what you'd have on a bike, and they looked like they were sweltering a lot less than I was, perfed leather or no. I was up front on the ferry and the operators let me go first. Was a bit nervous about the smooth metal deck ramp, which had water on it, but kept things upright and made it without any issues. Saw a few other bikers waiting to cross in the other direction. Was an odd feeling on the ferry to be sitting on the bike and moving, without having the engine running. Followed Rt 15 back to 7, followed that in to Old Georgetown pike. The Pike was busy, but traffic seemed to be moving along at a reasonable pace. The guy following me was nice and didn't tailgate, as sometimes happens on that road. Followed the pike back to Chain Bridge, that to Glebe and back to Arlington. 110 or so miles on the clock. Shiny side stayed up, rubber side stayed down. Made a mental note to find a good detailed area map (ADC?) and to carry some stuff like powerbars and bottled water next time, even for a short afternoon ride. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 16:58:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CKwPHR005481; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:58:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CKwOpv005469; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:58:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:00:07 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SEE and be seen... Message-ID: <0E6E7AB3.1B88ED58.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Some redneck at some point in time must have and either drowned or was injured. They only put stupid, dumbass labels on things after it happens to at least one person and they try to sue over it. Just like the tags on hairdryers that say not to use them in the bath tub. =8-0 Scooter In a message dated Mon, 12 Aug 2002 1:50:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > Excellant input on the prior SEE thread, lot of good suggestions from > y`all. > > I keeping with the MSF mantra, see and be seen, I went hunting for a > vest. The MSF site had a sale, $12 & change. Yep, reflective stripes, > cool mesh, but ... black? See and be seen in basic black? I'm sure > they had other colors but my antique Netscape 4.7 browser wouldn't let > me cruise the catalogue. Bummer. > > Home Depot this noon, and I SEE a vest on display! Cool. Poopy orange > but they had them in lime/yallar too - $10. What a deal. I get home > and check it out, nice, my eyes hurt, must work. It wieghs all of a > half ounce, open mesh, velcro closure (rated to 70 MPH?) > > Of course the vest had instructions on how to put it on - duh, and a > disclaimer. WARNING: Do not use as a floatation device. Injury or > death could result. > > Now I'm holding this vest, so featherwieght it kinda makes me think > about those filmy underthangs in Milady's lingerie drawer, and I'm > thinking, what damn fool would even think about using it as > a flotation > vest? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 17:08:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CL8BHR005930; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:08:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CL8A76005921; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:08:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:04:02 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, piffiffi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SPAM: VFR moving sale-- some corrections Message-ID: <602A3DBB.659DB489.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hmmm.....took me a second to figure out the first one Tom. Give the guy a break, canta you see he donta type English too well. Afterall, he isa movin back to Italia. Whatsa couple extra digits in the phone number? ;-) As for the third comment......way too much info there Tommy boy. ;-) Besides, I thought that was Chucks job to gather that type a paraphernalia? Scooter In a message dated Mon, 12 Aug 2002 1:20:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > questions: > 1. where in nyc is the bike currently located? i would > prefer a mid-town manhattan exchange. > > 2. does the bike have any history of electrical problems? > > 3. what lubricants do you have, and will you be including > any toys? > > > > --- Pierre C wrote: > > Did i say i am always very impulsive? > > I shoudl have thought this more carefully. I should > > rewrite my ad as > > follows: > > > > VFR 800 1998 for sale. > > > > K&N filter (NOT powercommander darn) > > dewco cover (perhaps 4 months old) > > tank bag > > tank bra > > D&D can > > Corbin seat > > Gorilla alarm > > one new oil filter > > > > Disk lock > > Battery tender > > BMW savannah XL suit > > Arai and HJC helmet > > Two sets of tools and wrenches > > All kinds of lubricants and stuff > > > > Dunlop 204/207 combo with plenty of thread > > brakes are good conditions with still a lot of life in > > them > > chain has at least another 8k miles but more if you treat > > it well > > Everything is good otherwise. > > > > Price fot he bike is 5300 if you buy all the stuff. > > Sorry, i screwed up > > with the price. This is just too much stuff. If you > > don't want part of the > > stuff, then we can revise the price. > > > > Cheers, > > Pierfrancesco > > WASHINGTON DC DOWNTOWN (202) 22855725 > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 17:56:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7CLu7HR006529; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:56:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7CLu7mI006524; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:56:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020812215605.86954.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:56:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: SPAM: VFR moving sale-- some corrections To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <602A3DBB.659DB489.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Hmmm.....took me a second to figure out the first one > Tom. Give the guy a break, canta you see he donta type > English too well. Afterall, he isa movin back to Italia. > Whatsa couple extra digits in the phone number? ;-) > > > As for the third comment......way too much info there > Tommy boy. ;-) Besides, I thought that was Chucks job > to gather that type a paraphernalia? > > Scooter goddamn humans are never happy. "flame away!" says one. "stop flaming!" says another. sorry, but i thought it was especially appropriate to give a little shit to our italian friend. after all, he's trying to sell us a bike that has been the subject of multiple, publicly-broadcast break-downs/ problems/ issues! > In a message dated Mon, 12 Aug 2002 1:20:35 PM Eastern > Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > > questions: > > 1. where in nyc is the bike currently located? i would > > prefer a mid-town manhattan exchange. > > > > 2. does the bike have any history of electrical > problems? > > > > 3. what lubricants do you have, and will you be > including > > any toys? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 12 22:31:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7D2VcHR008595; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:31:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7D2VWK2008581; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:31:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.249.198.147] From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: my vfr conditions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:31:25 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 02:31:25.0656 (UTC) FILETIME=[85659580:01C24271] thanks to the questinable sense of humor of some people on this list, i explain that my bike was "stranded" because i blew up a fuse because i had put the battery on the wrong way: the positive's battery attached to the battery's negative and viceversa. The price to fix the bike was the money to buy a 30 amps fuse. I don't know who this funny guy is, and what is his bike. I doubt it's anything i would ever ride though. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 00:07:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7D47IHR010035; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:07:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7D47H8q010027; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:07:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Pierre C" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:18:29 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7D47FHR010015 yep that's what usually happens.. the main fuse / master fuse blows.. turn battery around.. replace fuse. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 01:59:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7D5xBHR010873; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:59:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7D5xAPB010863; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:59:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: SPAM: Selling a Joe Rocket Phoenix [Red-XL] Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:59:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c2428e$858dd7d0$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1851051042 If you are local- Come get it for $110. Joe Rocket Phoenix Jacket 2002 Model Warm Weather Motorcycle Jacket Worn Twice - Too Big - Like New Condition Size: XL - Color: Red and Black Rob Curtis Senior Photographer Army Times Publishing Co. Springfield, VA http://www.robcurtis.com __________________ "To be persuasive, we must be believable. To be believable, we must be credible. To be credible, we must be truthful." Edward R. Murrow From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 06:29:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DATbHR012648; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:29:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DATZ17012639; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:29:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020813102931.35601.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:29:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: my vfr conditions To: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Pierre C wrote: > thanks to the questinable sense of humor of some people > on this list, i > explain that my bike was "stranded" because i blew up a > fuse because i had > put the battery on the wrong way: the positive's battery > attached to the > battery's negative and viceversa. The price to fix the > bike was the money > to buy a 30 amps fuse. how about explaining the troubleshooting fiasco of earlier this year in which the r/r and other electrical devises were selectively replaced without a diagnosis? what about the "clutch noises" you complained about? do we really know the extent of the damage you recently did to it during those 3 days in nyc? > I don't know who this funny guy is, and what is his bike. > I doubt it's > anything i would ever ride though. you wouldn't want to ride my dirty, neglected 996. keep your attention focused on selling the vfr. while it was in fine (superb even) condition when bruce sold it to you, your public broadcasts of issues arising with it have made it sound (to me anyway) like a typical piece of shit. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 07:04:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DB4BHR012940; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:04:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DB4BwI012933; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:04:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:01:26 -0400 (EDT) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 211 this wed evening 8/14/02 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well after hearing wonderful things about 211, and not having been out that way, I'm thinking about going that way tomorrow evening, if anyone is interested drop me a line and I'll coordinate a ride. I'd like to keep the group reasonably sized, or split into several groups if it gets that popular. I'm thinking about meeting about 6-7 pm if that time frame works for people. Jump off point will be from somewhere in warrenton, as of yet undecided exactly where. so who's in? -JD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 08:31:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DCVGHR013480; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:31:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DCVDiv013461; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:31:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001701c242c5$c49cdc00$a0511840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Buh-Bye... Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:32:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, Alright guys (and gals, OK), I'm outta here. I'll be leaving for Anderson, SC in a little less than 48 hours and it's time to pack up my shiz-nit and head south. That means the computer, too. I'm due to attend Clemson graduate school (classes start the 21st) so I'm moving south for at least a few years. That means no more corner working at Summit (although Road Atlanta, Roebling, VIR and others aren't too terribly far away)! Damn. I'll be unsubscribing here today, too, but possibly will return in a few weeks when I get connected down south. It's been as much an education as a pleasure, and I hope you all stay well. Also, thank you to the powers that be for hosting this "service". I don't think enough has been said about how much you are appreciated. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1982 Honda ATC185S Pit Vehicle 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project You know you're addicted to racing when you refer to the end of your driveway as 'Pit Out' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 08:39:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DCdBHR013654; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:39:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DCdBbJ013649; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:39:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002401c242c6$e15e32c0$a0511840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: e-mail address delete Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:42:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hello - Well, I'm moving. I'll be a South Carolina resident in about 48 hours. That stated, please delete this e-mail address from your records. It will be de-activated as of Aug. 27, 2002. If necessary, I can be reached at IwishIdid@XXXXXX, but not until at least after August 24, 2002. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1982 Honda ATC185S Pit Vehicle 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project You know you're addicted to racing when you refer to the end of your driveway as 'Pit Out' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 08:52:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DCqVHR013982; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:52:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DCqVid013977; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:52:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbhUHU57fkwgZ9n8ircnayPjHGqajsm/cWTJXec/FTEVMr9G7xu2CWlfHmBQIBKoMA= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Wayne Edelen'" , "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Bar end mirrors (was SEE) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:52:27 -0400 Message-ID: <01be01c242c8$480980f0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020812082114.0162014c@noid.org> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal You'll prolly need the adapter kit (another $18 or so)...my bar ends were too big in diameter. Without the adapter kit doo-dad, you're supposed to mount directly to the bars (slide the grips/controls inward). --jon -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:22 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bar end mirrors (was SEE) At 05:09 AM 8/12/02 -0700, you wrote: > > > > http://www.constructorsrg.com/store/page2.html > >i actually only use ONE (mounted left-side). and, i'd pay >much more if i had to for improved vision.... Do they mount to the tip of the bar ends or would those of us with bar end weights have to make a sort of custom mount? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 08:58:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DCwqHR014160; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:58:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DCwqV8014155; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:58:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVanbB/tVp5jOgMjzS763loUUEILKegjYHPIWqUlaGFWKiOZkBluG/1xrBd1yu3ca3M= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Pierre C'" , Subject: RE: my vfr conditions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:58:50 -0400 Message-ID: <01bf01c242c9$2bf0db60$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal It's a Ducati, my Italian friend. (I spit coffee all over my monitor when I read this email....) --jon -----Original Message----- From: Pierre C [mailto:piffiffi@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:31 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: my vfr conditions thanks to the questinable sense of humor of some people on this list, i explain that my bike was "stranded" because i blew up a fuse because i had put the battery on the wrong way: the positive's battery attached to the battery's negative and viceversa. The price to fix the bike was the money to buy a 30 amps fuse. I don't know who this funny guy is, and what is his bike. I doubt it's anything i would ever ride though. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 09:00:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DD0QHR014331; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:00:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DD0Pbi014325; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:00:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZUgoEzhaiUjQbXGKP94vRe6HTZAVxWO34mdtvEiSWTXzzR/BdgTWw+JB4gEzX006Q= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Crash Alert! Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:00:22 -0400 Message-ID: <01c201c242c9$631d9ce0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal For some reason, I see plastic all over 211.... --jon -----Original Message----- From: jdonovan@XXXXXX [mailto:jdonovan@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 7:01 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 211 this wed evening 8/14/02 Well after hearing wonderful things about 211, and not having been out that way, I'm thinking about going that way tomorrow evening, if anyone is interested drop me a line and I'll coordinate a ride. I'd like to keep the group reasonably sized, or split into several groups if it gets that popular. I'm thinking about meeting about 6-7 pm if that time frame works for people. Jump off point will be from somewhere in warrenton, as of yet undecided exactly where. so who's in? -JD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 09:07:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DD7MHR014538; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:07:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DD7LVF014531; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:07:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00c101c242c9$f0159080$a500a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: References: <01c201c242c9$631d9ce0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Subject: Re: Crash Alert! Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:04:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 I see dead people! Okay, I hope not :-) Word of caution, seeing is very hard at dusk on that road, even before after the sun goes behind trees. Have your sunglasses ready when heading west. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Strang" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: Crash Alert! > For some reason, I see plastic all over 211.... > > --jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: jdonovan@XXXXXX [mailto:jdonovan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 7:01 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: 211 this wed evening 8/14/02 > > > Well after hearing wonderful things about 211, and not having been out > that way, I'm thinking about going that way tomorrow evening, if anyone is > interested drop me a line and I'll coordinate a ride. > > I'd like to keep the group reasonably sized, or split into several groups > if it gets that popular. I'm thinking about meeting about 6-7 pm if that > time frame works for people. Jump off point will be from somewhere in > warrenton, as of yet undecided exactly where. > > so who's in? > > -JD > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 09:07:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DD7VHR014572; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:07:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DD7V3o014567; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:07:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020813130729.75389.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:07:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 211 this wed evening 8/14/02 To: jdonovan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii for those that venture past 211, i'm happy to report that the virginia side of the amazing set of twisties on u.s. 33 ~20 miles west of harrisonburg has been completely repaved.... and perfectly! i wish the same could be said for 211's thornton gap, which is quickly getting shitty in the pavement department. --- jdonovan@XXXXXX wrote: > Well after hearing wonderful things about 211, and not > having been out > that way, I'm thinking about going that way tomorrow > evening, if anyone is > interested drop me a line and I'll coordinate a ride. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 09:25:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DDPQHR014950; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:25:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DDPPCj014944; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:25:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:28:27 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Jon Strang cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crash Alert! In-Reply-To: <01c201c242c9$631d9ce0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII And this would be different from any other day because.....? On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Jon Strang wrote: > For some reason, I see plastic all over 211.... > > --jon > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 09:41:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DDfjHR015180; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:41:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DDfiK9015172; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:41:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020813134139.94635.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:41:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: eternity23@XXXXXX, GBruhl@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ah, but P-90's are so phat. Grrrrr baby. Hum be damned. Rich 1968 SG George wrote... >>>> Lace's are nice. I threw an EMG-81 in the bridge position and an EMG-85 at the neck... killer. Increased my LP output by 25%... [Sean wrote]Topic of Pickups I've always liked Seymor Duncans. That's what I have in my Thinline Telecaster. The stock Fender Lace Sensors in my Strat are pretty nice too. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 09:43:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DDh4HR015338; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:43:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DDh4gO015333; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:43:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:46:09 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 211 this wed evening 8/14/02 In-Reply-To: <20020813130729.75389.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > for those that venture past 211, i'm happy to report that > the virginia side of the amazing set of twisties on u.s. 33 > ~20 miles west of harrisonburg has been completely > repaved.... and perfectly! Wow. That is good news. It's a very nice stretch of road, always thought that it would be perfect if repaved. Guess it is perfect now. IMO 33 makes 211 look like a little sissy hill. > > i wish the same could be said for 211's thornton gap, which > is quickly getting shitty in the pavement department. > Ahh, its all relative! Some of the stuff in NC this weekend along NC 74 was the pits. The road was literally 1/3 tar snakes that looked like they were done by a blind man. Made for some fun turns with the front and rear sliding a bit. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 10:05:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DE5THR015752; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:05:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DE5TD5015747; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:05:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:03:03 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 211 this wed evening 8/14/02 In-Reply-To: <20020813130729.75389.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just want to mention that the pavement on 33 is in great condition for at least 160 miles and it's an awesome road! Hugh On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > for those that venture past 211, i'm happy to report that > the virginia side of the amazing set of twisties on u.s. 33 > ~20 miles west of harrisonburg has been completely > repaved.... and perfectly! > > i wish the same could be said for 211's thornton gap, which > is quickly getting shitty in the pavement department. > > > > --- jdonovan@XXXXXX wrote: > > Well after hearing wonderful things about 211, and not > > having been out > > that way, I'm thinking about going that way tomorrow > > evening, if anyone is > > interested drop me a line and I'll coordinate a ride. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 10:22:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DEM8HR016013; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:22:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DEM8dK016006; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:22:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F5D1@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: threw my chain UPDATE Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:22:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" With the help of Paul Wilson (many thanks Paul) the chain is back on. The rear sprocket is all the way back and it's still loose. Paul said the valleys of the rear sprocket are too large as well, probably from wear. I went up 2 teeth on the rear sprocket when I had it done in November of last year, ~3k miles ago. I have a standard chain. He said he'd get an O-ring chain. Said they're easier to maintain. I'm leaning towards having a shop put on the new chain to see if I missed anything. The nuts on the rear sprocket took a lil abuse when the chain came off too. We also found a 1" by 1/2" piece missing from the top of the front sprocket housing where the chain must have hit it. If I were to order a chain & sprockets on line (would like to stay 2 teeth up on rear) where should I get them? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 10:24:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DEOmHR016185; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:24:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DEOmGx016179; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:24:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020813142446.21530.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:24:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: threw my chain UPDATE To: Rich Hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F5D1@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sounds like you're running aluminum. i'd stick with steel. http://www.sprocketspecialists.com/ --- Rich Hall wrote: > With the help of Paul Wilson (many thanks Paul) the chain > is back on. The > rear sprocket is all the way back and it's still loose. > Paul said the > valleys of the rear sprocket are too large as well, > probably from wear. I > went up 2 teeth on the rear sprocket when I had it done > in November of last > year, ~3k miles ago. I have a standard chain. He said > he'd get an O-ring > chain. Said they're easier to maintain. I'm leaning > towards having a shop > put on the new chain to see if I missed anything. The > nuts on the rear > sprocket took a lil abuse when the chain came off too. > We also found a 1" > by 1/2" piece missing from the top of the front sprocket > housing where the > chain must have hit it. > > If I were to order a chain & sprockets on line (would > like to stay 2 teeth > up on rear) where should I get them? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 10:57:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DEvQHR016576; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:57:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DEvPMm016566; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:57:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.249.198.74] From: "Pierre C" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:57:18 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 14:57:18.0358 (UTC) FILETIME=[B815FB60:01C242D9] My bike clutch never had a single problem. Obviously this tom glimer is a SLIMER instead. What do you ride tom? Can you please stop flaming me, and saying things that aren't true? do you want to meet in person? i can give you all explanations. Stop lying about me and my motorcycle. It's in fine shape. I have a voltmeter mounted on the bike. The bike charges slightly low, but I NEVER GOT STRANDED. I went with it on long trips to NY, South VA, NY, without need to charge the battery. I just needed to keep an eye on the charging system. Now I AM LEAVING YOUR COUNTRY THANK GOD and can't afford to pay the taxes THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT is asking me. THANK YOU FOR SCREWING ME UP JERK. again, if you would liek to meet in person there are a couple of things that i would love to tell you. >From: Tom Gimer >To: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: my vfr conditions >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:29:31 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Pierre C wrote: > > thanks to the questinable sense of humor of some people > > on this list, i > > explain that my bike was "stranded" because i blew up a > > fuse because i had > > put the battery on the wrong way: the positive's battery > > attached to the > > battery's negative and viceversa. The price to fix the > > bike was the money > > to buy a 30 amps fuse. > >how about explaining the troubleshooting fiasco of earlier >this year in which the r/r and other electrical devises >were selectively replaced without a diagnosis? > >what about the "clutch noises" you complained about? > >do we really know the extent of the damage you recently did >to it during those 3 days in nyc? > > > > I don't know who this funny guy is, and what is his bike. > > I doubt it's > > anything i would ever ride though. > >you wouldn't want to ride my dirty, neglected 996. > >keep your attention focused on selling the vfr. while it >was in fine (superb even) condition when bruce sold it to >you, your public broadcasts of issues arising with it have >made it sound (to me anyway) like a typical piece of shit. > > >-- >tg > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 11:11:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DFB1HR016898; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:11:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DFB13d016890; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:11:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020813151057.25896.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:10:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: my vfr conditions To: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i'm willing to stop "flaming" you, pierre, if you agree to stop sending me personal, inflamatory emails expressing your desire to meet me in person. everybody on this fucking list knows that i can be found, in my bethesda office (4905 del ray ave, ste. 504), from 9am-6pm weekdays. do i want any pissed-off, irrational visitors? not particularly. but that's pretty much what i deal with every goddamn day. --- Pierre C wrote: > My bike clutch never had a single problem. Obviously this > tom glimer is a > SLIMER instead. What do you ride tom? Can you please > stop flaming me, and > saying things that aren't true? do you want to meet in > person? i can give > you all explanations. Stop lying about me and my > motorcycle. It's in fine > shape. I have a voltmeter mounted on the bike. The bike > charges slightly > low, but I NEVER GOT STRANDED. I went with it on long > trips to NY, South > VA, NY, without need to charge the battery. I just > needed to keep an eye on > the charging system. Now I AM LEAVING YOUR COUNTRY THANK > GOD and can't > afford to pay the taxes THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT is asking > me. > > THANK YOU FOR SCREWING ME UP JERK. again, if you would > liek to meet in > person there are a couple of things that i would love to > tell you. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 11:12:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DFCSHR017063; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:12:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DFCRGI017059; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:12:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005e01c242dc$8bd49b80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Rich Hall" , References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F5D1@SERVER1> Subject: Re: threw my chain UPDATE Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:16:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hey Rich, Thanks! Wrenching bikes and sweating on the sidewalk is my idea of how to unwind after work. As for where to order, I get most of my non-OEM stuff from Chaparral. www.chaparral-racing.com. They carry most items in stock and can get things to my door in 5-7 biz days, via UPS ground from the Left Coast. Last time on the VFR I went with a DID X-ring chain and steel sprockets. I'm a little concerned that the chain chewed up the studs and nuts that secure the rear sprocket. Those could be a PITA to get the nuts off. Then you'll need to install new studs in the driven flange. Standard chains need constant lubrication, since they have no internal lube. It's not surprising to find one shagged at 3K miles, if it hasn't been bathed constantly in gear oil. I'm surprised a reputable bike shop is installing standard chains on street bikes these days, given that most owners are more accustomed to the maintenance cycle of an O-ring chain. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F P.S. Give that Chain Wax to someone you don't like. ;-) I've tried a lot of products before settling on a ScottOiler. Life is good now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Hall" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: threw my chain UPDATE > With the help of Paul Wilson (many thanks Paul) the chain is back on. The > rear sprocket is all the way back and it's still loose. Paul said the > valleys of the rear sprocket are too large as well, probably from wear. I > went up 2 teeth on the rear sprocket when I had it done in November of last > year, ~3k miles ago. I have a standard chain. He said he'd get an O-ring > chain. Said they're easier to maintain. I'm leaning towards having a shop > put on the new chain to see if I missed anything. The nuts on the rear > sprocket took a lil abuse when the chain came off too. We also found a 1" > by 1/2" piece missing from the top of the front sprocket housing where the > chain must have hit it. > > If I were to order a chain & sprockets on line (would like to stay 2 teeth > up on rear) where should I get them? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 11:13:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DFDlHR017241; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:13:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DFDkxq017234; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:13:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020813111305.00b81560@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:13:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: my vfr conditions In-Reply-To: <20020813151057.25896.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:10 AM 8/13/2002 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >i'm willing to stop "flaming" you, pierre, if you agree to >stop sending me personal, inflamatory emails expressing >your desire to meet me in person. > >everybody on this fucking list knows that i can be found, >in my bethesda office (4905 del ray ave, ste. 504), from >9am-6pm weekdays. do i want any pissed-off, irrational >visitors? not particularly. but that's pretty much what i >deal with every goddamn day. hey Tom! I need a job! Need some local Harley muscle? ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 11:21:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DFL1HR017504; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:21:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DFL1up017497; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:21:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.249.198.74] From: "Pierre C" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:20:53 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 15:20:53.0520 (UTC) FILETIME=[03969100:01C242DD] Your email annoyed the shit out of me. How dare you say that my clutch is in bad conditions? I never emailed this list or anyone aabout my clutch. You probably refer to my electrical problems in ny a couple of weeks ago which were cause ak tST AND ONLY by a MAIN FUSE BLOWN, which had happened becuase i had mounted the battery with inverterted polarities. IT"s true that my bike charges lower than it should according to specs and I OWN THE MANUAL. HOwever i was never stranded ever in long or short trips. Before you say bad things about people who are trying to sell their motorcycles because they are leaving the country (I WOULD KEEP IT OTHERWISE) check what you say, you risk that i will never be able to sell my bike now, just because you couldn't stop from flaming me. I still would like to meet you in person and show to you my motorcycle. I know you own a ducati and YOU ARE PROBABLY having clutch problems with that piece of crap. THANK YOU FOR SCREWING UP WITH MY SALE, it takes only ONE Asshole to ruin everything. ONCE AGAIN, if you would like to meet in person, I can show all you would liek to kknow about my bike and my lubricants that you seem to be interested in lubricants as well. >From: Tom Gimer >To: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: my vfr conditions >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:10:56 -0700 (PDT) > >i'm to stop "flaming" you, pierre, if you agree to >stop sending me personal, inflamatory emails expressing >your desire to meet me in person. > >everybody on this fucking list knows that i can be found, >in my bethesda office (4905 del ray ave, ste. 504), from >9am-6pm weekdays. do i want any pissed-off, irrational >visitors? not particularly. but that's pretty much what i >deal with every goddamn day. > > > > >--- Pierre C wrote: > > My bike clutch never had a single problem. Obviously this > > tom glimer is a > > SLIMER instead. What do you ride tom? Can you please > > stop flaming me, and > > saying things that aren't true? do you want to meet in > > person? i can give > > you all explanations. Stop lying about me and my > > motorcycle. It's in fine > > shape. I have a voltmeter mounted on the bike. The bike > > charges slightly > > low, but I NEVER GOT STRANDED. I went with it on long > > trips to NY, South > > VA, NY, without need to charge the battery. I just > > needed to keep an eye on > > the charging system. Now I AM LEAVING YOUR COUNTRY THANK > > GOD and can't > > afford to pay the taxes THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT is asking > > me. > > > > THANK YOU FOR SCREWING ME UP JERK. again, if you would > > liek to meet in > > person there are a couple of things that i would love to > > tell you. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 11:32:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DFWNHR017763; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:32:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DFWNml017758; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:32:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:32:20 -0400 Subject: Re: my vfr conditions From: Rob Curtis To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit OK PF and Tom. Calm down before the playground monitor calls recess early. You guys are both welcome to come over to my place tonight and face-off on my PS2 with some MotoGP action. The winner gets a brand new can of WD-40. Rob Just for the record-I've seen PF's VFR and I'd be writing a check if I hadn't gotten my SV a couple of weeks ago! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 11:40:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DFe6HR018020; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:40:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DFe6J0018014; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:40:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020813154003.82583.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:40:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: my vfr conditions To: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Pierre C wrote: > Your email annoyed the shit out of me. How dare you say > that my clutch is > in bad conditions? I never emailed this list or anyone > aabout my clutch. IIRC, you sent an email to this list complaining of clutch noise/plates rubbing together immediately after you purchased the bike. it apparently turned out to be nothing. but the point is, YOU MADE US AWARE OF IT. > You probably refer to my electrical problems in ny a > couple of weeks ago > which were cause ak tST AND ONLY by a MAIN FUSE BLOWN, > which had happened > becuase i had mounted the battery with inverterted > polarities. > > IT"s true that my bike charges lower than it should > according to specs and I > OWN THE MANUAL. HOwever i was never stranded ever in > long or short trips. fine. forgive me for reading the header "stranded in nyc" and assuming anything. > Before you say bad things about people who are trying to > sell their > motorcycles because they are leaving the country (I WOULD > KEEP IT OTHERWISE) > check what you say, you risk that i will never be able to > sell my bike now, > just because you couldn't stop from flaming me. > > I still would like to meet you in person and show to you > my motorcycle. I > know you own a ducati and YOU ARE PROBABLY having clutch > problems with that > piece of crap. this may hurt a bit: i've ridden your bike. however, despite my earlier comments, i DO believe that it is an excellent machine (what honda isn't?). i also thought it sounded incredible with the staintune system on it. re: the duc.... the clutch/basket will be replaced in the next 5k miles. no problems, YET.... but considering the longevity of ducati's oem shit, it is only a matter of time. i have been brutally honest on this list with my impression of ducati's quality control. > THANK YOU FOR SCREWING UP WITH MY SALE, it takes only ONE > Asshole to ruin > everything. if i screwed up a possible sale, i am indeed sorry, pierre. that was certainly not my intention. have the would-be buyer call me. i probably know more about your bike's history than you do. > ONCE AGAIN, if you would like to meet in person, I can > show all you would > liek to kknow about my bike and my lubricants that you > seem to be interested > in lubricants as well. now you're tempting me. > >From: Tom Gimer > >To: Pierre C , > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: my vfr conditions > >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:10:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > >i'm to stop "flaming" you, pierre, if you agree to > >stop sending me personal, inflamatory emails expressing > >your desire to meet me in person. > > > >everybody on this fucking list knows that i can be > found, > >in my bethesda office (4905 del ray ave, ste. 504), from > >9am-6pm weekdays. do i want any pissed-off, irrational > >visitors? not particularly. but that's pretty much > what i > >deal with every goddamn day. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 11:41:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DFf5HR018184; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:41:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DFf4DM018175; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:41:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <014501c242e0$8a4ffa80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Rob Curtis" , References: Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:45:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yes, I've spent quite a bit of time helping Pierre wrench this bike and can vouch for it off list for anyone who's interested. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Curtis" > Just for the record-I've seen PF's VFR and I'd be writing a check if I > hadn't gotten my SV a couple of weeks ago! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 11:41:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DFf9HR018220; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:41:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DFf9Se018216; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:41:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: linux1.gl.umbc.edu: jconli1 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:41:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Conlin To: Subject: Givi trek, DC-MA toll free*, ridin' In-Reply-To: <200208082300.g78N01VY026315@dirty.meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This weekend, I headed from DC to Worcester, MA to pick up a set of lightly used Givi E360s (even though I always thought they were far uglier than the more simple E36s - the price was right). The owner moved from a VFR to an ST. Poor him. :) Using a Euro-Kawi-OEM rack instead of a monster Wingrack, the Givis mount up quickly and easily... they look surprisingly good on the half-naked GPz, and as far as function goes, are lightyears ahead of my old Eclipse soft luggage. Check the fine folks at www.riderhaus.com for alternatives to the Wingrack. They can also get plenty of cool Euro-only bodywork, (fully-faired FZs and SVs... huggers... blah blah blah). The website is being renovated... but they can pretty much any Euro part. Great ride, believe it or not. Last I checked, using I-95 for that trip was roughly $23?. I opted to take the following : B/W Pkwy - I695 - I83 - I81 - I78 - I287 - US202 - Palisades Pkwy - Bear Mountain Pkwy* - US6/202 - I84 - I691 - I91 - I-84 - US20 (* actually, there was a $1 one-way toll to cross the Hudson, but it was a gorgeous view and opened up into the twisty and scenic Bear Mountain Pkwy, so it was worth it). Slabby, but not mind-numbing. Good scenery. Wide open stretches with some variety in the middle. I think it was about 4 hours of interstate, 1 hour of suburbs, 10 minutes of glorious twisties, 1 hour of suburbs, then another 2 hours of interstate. Great route between the Mid Atlantic and New England. I don't think there are any other mods to be made on this GPz now... it's done. Just throw on the ecm, gps, and mp3 and fly. Off to strafe the Appalachians into south Georgia next week. Maybe another trip to New England the week after that. There have been too many damn riders down or dying lately... (I know of 5 - most great riders - just in the last 2 months). Some doing things they shouldn't have been, others victims of poor drivers but didn't leave themselves a good out... either way, it makes ya think a lot. But the more I think about it, the more I realize how much I love it. Had a 5 year old completely disregard the Barney movie playing on the DVD screen in front of him and flash me a thumbs-up and a big smile while passing his mommy's minivan somewhere on I-78. He knows what its all about. Luckily he reminded me. Safe (but fun) rides- -- Jeff Conlin Beltsville, MD http://jeff.desi-9.com "They was arguing about football as I waved and went outside and I headed for the mountains feeling warm inside I love that GPz so much, you know that I could kiss her" - Lou Reed From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 11:59:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DFxjHR018655; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:59:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DFxitr018646; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:59:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020813114934.044a6830@winters.cc> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:57:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: ST's and STX's In-Reply-To: References: <200208082300.g78N01VY026315@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:41 AM 8/13/2002, Jeff Conlin wrote: >This weekend, I headed from DC to Worcester, MA to pick up a set of >lightly used Givi E360s (even though I always thought they were far uglier >than the more simple E36s - the price was right). The owner moved from a >VFR to an ST. Poor him. :) Taking that tangent, has anyone ridden the Honda 1300 STX? More power, less weight, and much improved, or so I read. Being dated and stodgy, I like the dated and stodgy ST styling better, but by all accounts, the STX is a much better motorcycle for about the same price. Just curious about any first-hand accounts.... /// Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 12:01:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DG1VHR018844; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:01:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DG1UPF018837; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:01:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.249.198.192] From: "Pierre C" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:01:22 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 16:01:23.0249 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABD1CA10:01C242E2] Dear TOM, you might BE SMART but you are WRONG!!!! i never sent any such email. You assume that people are liers and cheaters.... probably because you are like that? i NEVER EVER SENT THAT MESSAGE< and i don't even know what you are talking about. BUT BECAUSE YOU ARE SO SMART, you made these WRONG ACCUSATIONS public, so i will never sell it now. BECAUSE now people are with the doubt that i am trying to screw them over LIKE PROBABLY YOU DO. ONCE AGAIN< I DON"T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, which confirms that before making public accusations you should check what you are saying. I know i screwed myself up because i lose my temper that's already short, but when one crosses a jerk like you that lies about their stuff.... YOU SHOULD APOLOGYZE TO ME FOR HAVING SAID LIES ABOUT ME AND ABOUT MY BIKE. >From: Tom Gimer >To: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: my vfr conditions >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:40:03 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Pierre C wrote: > > Your email annoyed the shit out of me. How dare you say > > that my clutch is > > in bad conditions? I never emailed this list or anyone > > aabout my clutch. > >IIRC, you sent an email to this list complaining of clutch >noise/plates rubbing together immediately after you >purchased the bike. it apparently turned out to be >nothing. but the point is, YOU MADE US AWARE OF IT. > > > > > > You probably refer to my electrical problems in ny a > > couple of weeks ago > > which were cause ak tST AND ONLY by a MAIN FUSE BLOWN, > > which had happened > > becuase i had mounted the battery with inverterted > > polarities. > > > > IT"s true that my bike charges lower than it should > > according to specs and I > > OWN THE MANUAL. HOwever i was never stranded ever in > > long or short trips. > >fine. forgive me for reading the header "stranded in nyc" >and assuming anything. > > > > > Before you say bad things about people who are trying to > > sell their > > motorcycles because they are leaving the country (I WOULD > > KEEP IT OTHERWISE) > > check what you say, you risk that i will never be able to > > sell my bike now, > > just because you couldn't stop from flaming me. > > > > I still would like to meet you in person and show to you > > my motorcycle. I > > know you own a ducati and YOU ARE PROBABLY having clutch > > problems with that > > piece of crap. > >this may hurt a bit: i've ridden your bike. > >however, despite my earlier comments, i DO believe that it >is an excellent machine (what honda isn't?). i also >thought it sounded incredible with the staintune system on >it. > >re: the duc.... the clutch/basket will be replaced in the >next 5k miles. no problems, YET.... but considering the >longevity of ducati's oem shit, it is only a matter of >time. i have been brutally honest on this list with my >impression of ducati's quality control. > > > > > THANK YOU FOR SCREWING UP WITH MY SALE, it takes only ONE > > Asshole to ruin > > everything. > >if i screwed up a possible sale, i am indeed sorry, pierre. > that was certainly not my intention. have the would-be >buyer call me. i probably know more about your bike's >history than you do. > > > > > > ONCE AGAIN, if you would like to meet in person, I can > > show all you would > > liek to kknow about my bike and my lubricants that you > > seem to be interested > > in lubricants as well. > >now you're tempting me. > > > > > > > >From: Tom Gimer > > >To: Pierre C , > > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >Subject: Re: my vfr conditions > > >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:10:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >i'm to stop "flaming" you, pierre, if you agree to > > >stop sending me personal, inflamatory emails expressing > > >your desire to meet me in person. > > > > > >everybody on this fucking list knows that i can be > > found, > > >in my bethesda office (4905 del ray ave, ste. 504), from > > >9am-6pm weekdays. do i want any pissed-off, irrational > > >visitors? not particularly. but that's pretty much > > what i > > >deal with every goddamn day. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 12:08:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DG8HHR019058; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:08:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DG8G3O019052; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:08:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020813160814.38980.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:08:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: my vfr conditions To: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Pierre C wrote: > Dear TOM, > you might BE SMART but you are WRONG!!!! i never sent any > such email. You > assume that people are liers and cheaters.... probably > because you are like > that? i NEVER EVER SENT THAT MESSAGE< and i don't even > know what you are > talking about. BUT BECAUSE YOU ARE SO SMART, you made > these WRONG > ACCUSATIONS public, so i will never sell it now. BECAUSE > now people are > with the doubt that i am trying to screw them over LIKE > PROBABLY YOU DO. > ONCE AGAIN< I DON"T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING > ABOUT, which confirms > that before making public accusations you should check > what you are saying. > I know i screwed myself up because i lose my temper > that's already short, > but when one crosses a jerk like you that lies about > their stuff.... YOU > SHOULD APOLOGYZE TO ME FOR HAVING SAID LIES ABOUT ME AND > ABOUT MY BIKE. i hereby apologize. pierre said the following: "Just as well as i need to get used to the stiffness of the clutch. Sometimes, i can hear the plates cranking. I never rode anything like this." i took it to mean he thought there were problems. i was wrong. i am obviously a liar and a cheater. i know i took an oath to obey and uphold the laws of the u.s. and of maryland, but i had my fingers crossed. as proper punishment, i'll try to find a buyer for pierre's machine. > >--- Pierre C wrote: > > > Your email annoyed the shit out of me. How dare you > say > > > that my clutch is > > > in bad conditions? I never emailed this list or > anyone > > > aabout my clutch. > > > >IIRC, you sent an email to this list complaining of > clutch > >noise/plates rubbing together immediately after you > >purchased the bike. it apparently turned out to be > >nothing. but the point is, YOU MADE US AWARE OF IT. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 12:27:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DGRJHR019319; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:27:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DGRJBt019315; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:27:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01a401c242e6$ffb72860$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Tom Gimer" , "Pierre C" , References: <20020813154003.82583.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:31:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Let me express this in a language you both can understand: BASTA! Enough! I'm going to get the virtual fire hose out in a second and hose you both off. There is nothing wrong with Pierre's bike that I am aware of. I should know! I rode with him for 4,600 miles in June/July and have helped him wrench this bike on numerous occasions. The oil and filter have been changed religiously. In fact I've ribbed him for changing it *too* often. I've also had seat time on this very machine. The suspension is great (I might even say superior to mine) and the EFI is flawless. I'm not a big linked brake fan, but to each his own. It has not been dropped and considering it's been ridden on a daily basis in all weather, it still looks great. There has been a concern about low charging voltage. This is fairly typical of the VFR800s. The bike has an aftermarket digital voltmeter to monitor any potential problems and aside from the stranding incident in NYC due to a blown fuse, the bike has never failed to start due to a low battery. Pierfrancesco replaced the rectifier/regulator soon after buying the bike. This was perhaps unnecessary in hindsight, but because he only has his bike for transportation near and far, reliability is a key concern. A future owner will have a spare R/R. The charging system has been gone over with a fine-toothed comb by myself, a local mechanic and a VFR aficionado and friend in Missouri. No one can identify a problem. I'd have no qualms about hopping on this bike and riding it to California, starting right now. Well, maybe I'd get a rack for my Givis first. :) So, how about putting this to rest? Pretty please? Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" To: "Pierre C" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:40 AM Subject: Re: my vfr conditions > --- Pierre C wrote: > > Your email annoyed the shit out of me. How dare you say > > that my clutch is > > in bad conditions? I never emailed this list or anyone > > aabout my clutch. > > IIRC, you sent an email to this list complaining of clutch > noise/plates rubbing together immediately after you > purchased the bike. it apparently turned out to be > nothing. but the point is, YOU MADE US AWARE OF IT. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 12:33:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DGXfHR019516; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:33:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DGXfeQ019510; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:33:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.242.155.47] From: "Pierre C" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:33:33 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 16:33:33.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AA06AF0:01C242E7] I can't even recall that message. Perhaps i sent it when i had just bought that bike. I wouldn't say my clutch is stiff at all. I was coming from a smaller bike, and was a bit worried to ride the VFR. I am not even sure i sent that message, i wonder where you got that from. Once again, my clutch is fine. I take good care for my bike, it's really all i have. I wouldn't sell it if i wasn't about to leave. The cost for shipment and taxes and all the rest make it impossible to ship it to italy. I never had a single problem with the bike. I bought it from bruce norton (i believe that's his last name) who is a mechanic and when i bought it it looked new. He asked me 6200 and i didn't have the guts to ask for less. But then someone else offered me his vfr with 10k miles for 58 (bruce's had 20K miles) so he matched that price, and i bought it. I never had a problem. Since the clock reset once, i researched possible electrical problems, and found out that the bike charges low. But that never caused me anything. I have a voltmeter on the bike and a battery tender and so i can trust my bike. I don't own a car or anything else actually. I go with my bike anywhere, to NY, to an interview, to drink coffee, without ever having a problem. If anything the mechanics of my bike are nearly perfect. I change the oil regularly, filters, clean up the air filter, changed the brakes, the tires are in great shape, the back tire has 2k miles. I showed the bike to mechanics and other people i met throught this list. The bike's conditions are known to these people, and they could reference it for me. It's a shame you flamed me about this, i won't probably sell it anymore through it. Actually a couple of persons that told me they woudl contact me disappeared. Do you realize you should have paid more attention to what you were saying? I lost my temper, and you just screwed me over because you had nothing better to do. >From: Tom Gimer >To: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: my vfr conditions >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:08:14 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Pierre C wrote: > > Dear TOM, > > you might BE SMART but you are WRONG!!!! i never sent any > > such email. You > > assume that people are liers and cheaters.... probably > > because you are like > > that? i NEVER EVER SENT THAT MESSAGE< and i don't even > > know what you are > > talking about. BUT BECAUSE YOU ARE SO SMART, you made > > these WRONG > > ACCUSATIONS public, so i will never sell it now. BECAUSE > > now people are > > with the doubt that i am trying to screw them over LIKE > > PROBABLY YOU DO. > > ONCE AGAIN< I DON"T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING > > ABOUT, which confirms > > that before making public accusations you should check > > what you are saying. > > I know i screwed myself up because i lose my temper > > that's already short, > > but when one crosses a jerk like you that lies about > > their stuff.... YOU > > SHOULD APOLOGYZE TO ME FOR HAVING SAID LIES ABOUT ME AND > > ABOUT MY BIKE. > >i hereby apologize. pierre said the following: "Just as >well as i need to get used to the stiffness of the clutch. >Sometimes, i can hear the plates cranking. I never rode >anything like this." > >i took it to mean he thought there were problems. i was >wrong. > >i am obviously a liar and a cheater. i know i took an oath >to obey and uphold the laws of the u.s. and of maryland, >but i had my fingers crossed. > >as proper punishment, i'll try to find a buyer for pierre's >machine. > > > > > > >--- Pierre C wrote: > > > > Your email annoyed the shit out of me. How dare you > > say > > > > that my clutch is > > > > in bad conditions? I never emailed this list or > > anyone > > > > aabout my clutch. > > > > > >IIRC, you sent an email to this list complaining of > > clutch > > >noise/plates rubbing together immediately after you > > >purchased the bike. it apparently turned out to be > > >nothing. but the point is, YOU MADE US AWARE OF IT. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 12:42:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DGgCHR019729; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:42:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DGgBPu019720; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:42:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 13 Aug 2002 16:42:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20020813164210.6839.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: my vfr conditions X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) Paul Pounded out on the keyboard - >Let me express this in a language you both can understand: BASTA! Enough! >I'm going to get the virtual fire hose out in a second and hose you both >off. [Dave] Dude. A virtual firehose is totally insufficient to the cause. These guys need the virtual 12 gauge... Jeez... It's like Squeakers all over again... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 12:43:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DGhOHR019890; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:43:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DGhOfo019884; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:43:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020813164321.56708.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:43:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: my vfr conditions To: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Pierre C wrote: > I can't even recall that message. Perhaps i sent it when > i had just bought > that bike. I wouldn't say my clutch is stiff at all. I > was coming from a > smaller bike, and was a bit worried to ride the VFR. I > am not even sure i > sent that message, i wonder where you got that from. the http://www.dccycles.com archives. 2/7/02. > It's a shame > you flamed me about this, i won't probably sell it > anymore through it. > Actually a couple of persons that told me they woudl > contact me disappeared. > Do you realize you should have paid more attention to > what you were > saying? I lost my temper, and you just screwed me over > because you had nothing better to do. i've already apologized. enough. if i think about this any more, i'll fall back to my position that you said way too much about your problems to sell the bike in this forum. there are MAYBE 300 people here anyway. how many are in teh market for a vfr? you make it sound as if they were lined up. if the bike is so goddamn wonderful, advertise it in the washington post classifieds this weekend and it'll be gone by sunday. send me the bill for the advertising (i've already provided my address) and move on with life. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 12:55:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DGsxHR020149; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:54:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DGsxQd020145; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:54:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.242.155.47] From: "Pierre C" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:54:52 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 16:54:52.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[2497BDE0:01C242EA] Wow, thanks tom, don't worry about paying the bill for it. I apologyze i lost my temper. I am so bad when i get mad. I am sorry to you and to everyone else, i said stuff that i don't think and i don't mean. >From: Tom Gimer >To: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: my vfr conditions >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:43:21 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Pierre C wrote: > > I can't even recall that message. Perhaps i sent it when > > i had just bought > > that bike. I wouldn't say my clutch is stiff at all. I > > was coming from a > > smaller bike, and was a bit worried to ride the VFR. I > > am not even sure i > > sent that message, i wonder where you got that from. > >the http://www.dccycles.com archives. 2/7/02. > > > > > It's a shame > > you flamed me about this, i won't probably sell it > > anymore through it. > > Actually a couple of persons that told me they woudl > > contact me disappeared. > > Do you realize you should have paid more attention to > > what you were > > saying? I lost my temper, and you just screwed me over > > because you had nothing better to do. > >i've already apologized. enough. if i think about this >any more, i'll fall back to my position that you said way >too much about your problems to sell the bike in this >forum. there are MAYBE 300 people here anyway. how many >are in teh market for a vfr? you make it sound as if they >were lined up. > >if the bike is so goddamn wonderful, advertise it in the >washington post classifieds this weekend and it'll be gone >by sunday. send me the bill for the advertising (i've >already provided my address) and move on with life. > > >-- >tg > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 12:57:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DGvuHR020319; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:57:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DGvtFu020312; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:57:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.242.155.47] From: "Pierre C" To: pawilson@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:57:48 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 16:57:48.0327 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D7BB370:01C242EA] Thank you Paul. I wish i didn't lose my temper. I am so bad, i know. >From: "Paul Wilson" >To: "Tom Gimer" ,"Pierre C" >, >Subject: Re: my vfr conditions >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:31:48 -0400 > >Let me express this in a language you both can understand: BASTA! Enough! >I'm going to get the virtual fire hose out in a second and hose you both >off. > >There is nothing wrong with Pierre's bike that I am aware of. I should >know! I rode with him for 4,600 miles in June/July and have helped him >wrench this bike on numerous occasions. The oil and filter have been >changed religiously. In fact I've ribbed him for changing it *too* often. >I've also had seat time on this very machine. The suspension is great (I >might even say superior to mine) and the EFI is flawless. I'm not a big >linked brake fan, but to each his own. It has not been dropped and >considering it's been ridden on a daily basis in all weather, it still >looks >great. > >There has been a concern about low charging voltage. This is fairly >typical >of the VFR800s. The bike has an aftermarket digital voltmeter to monitor >any potential problems and aside from the stranding incident in NYC due to >a >blown fuse, the bike has never failed to start due to a low battery. >Pierfrancesco replaced the rectifier/regulator soon after buying the bike. >This was perhaps unnecessary in hindsight, but because he only has his bike >for transportation near and far, reliability is a key concern. A future >owner will have a spare R/R. The charging system has been gone over with a >fine-toothed comb by myself, a local mechanic and a VFR aficionado and >friend in Missouri. No one can identify a problem. I'd have no qualms >about hopping on this bike and riding it to California, starting right now. >Well, maybe I'd get a rack for my Givis first. :) > >So, how about putting this to rest? Pretty please? > >Paul in DC >95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tom Gimer" >To: "Pierre C" ; >Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:40 AM >Subject: Re: my vfr conditions > > > > --- Pierre C wrote: > > > Your email annoyed the shit out of me. How dare you say > > > that my clutch is > > > in bad conditions? I never emailed this list or anyone > > > aabout my clutch. > > > > IIRC, you sent an email to this list complaining of clutch > > noise/plates rubbing together immediately after you > > purchased the bike. it apparently turned out to be > > nothing. but the point is, YOU MADE US AWARE OF IT. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 13:03:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DH39HR020534; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:03:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DH38EN020527; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:03:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020813125741.00b428e8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:02:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: my vfr conditions In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:54 PM 8/13/2002 +0100, Pierre C wrote: >Wow, thanks tom, don't worry about paying the bill for it. I apologyze i >lost my temper. I am so bad when i get mad. I am sorry to you and to >everyone else, i said stuff that i don't think and i don't mean. sounds fair nuff to me....now if Pierre and Tom ending up getting a room THAT'S WHERE I DRAW THE LINE! 8-P ..seriously best of luck finding a buyer for your bike. FWIW, I couldn't find anyone that wanted to buy my 85 700 Magna, even though it was in pristine condition and low miles. So, I put it up on e-bay and it sold for the full asking price in less than 2 hours. Had over 200 hits and gawd knows how many email messages. One guy was even willing to pay to crate it up and put it on a train to California! Sight unseen! Guy who bought it drove up from NC to pick it up. Never even took it for a test ride. Just loaded it up in his Dodge Ram, paid me and drove off. He emails me now and then and he still rides and loves it. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 13:43:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DHhVHR020958; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:43:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DHhV56020953; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:43:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Pierre C" Cc: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:54:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1khilucj3touf69k65thmt44qpr3gn0cat@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7DHhUHR020941 Peirre you're lack of matureness and lack of civility is showing. In the future I highly recommend you pay someone qualified to work on your vehicles. If you can't even put a battery in right, it's pretty much a matter of time before you do something else wrong and hurt yourself. As a matter of fact you don't sound too competent period, so might I suggest mass transit. A lot of us will be glad to see you go. Please cease and dissist from the threats or any pathalogical violent behavior. We would hate to see you jailed or committed to an institution and further your stay here. The sooner you go the better. BYE! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 13:47:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DHljHR021250; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:47:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DHljn6021246; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:47:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Tom Gimer Cc: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:59:06 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020813160814.38980.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020813160814.38980.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7DHliHR021234 Tom instead of a buyer, can you find him a therapist? I think he needs that more. Or maybe a therapists who rides so they can give each other a discount. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 13:56:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DHuqHR021666; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:56:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DHuquM021658; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:56:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Pierre C" Cc: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:08:11 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7DHupHR021646 Oh yea... I got a lil coupon in my value pak mass advertising mailing saying your VFR is junk signed by Tom. Dude I woudln't have known 1> you were selling a bike 2> gimer said anything "bad" 3> you were a psychopath 4> your bike is unnattractive to potential buyers had you not posted your rants... Let's see do i want to buy an undercharging high milage bike from a psychopath at a normal price? I don't think so. Is that Tom's fault? NO. Is that your fault? YES. I have 2 suggestions for you.. okay 3: 1. stop blaming other people for your problems & subdue your passions less they subdue you. 2. the world is bigger than this little list, find a buyer elsewhere 3. lower your price. > Do you realize you should have paid more attention to what you were >saying? I lost my temper, and you just screwed me over because you had >nothing better to do. Do YOU realise you should have paid more attention to what YOU were saying? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 14:00:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DI0MHR021946; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:00:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DI0Mbd021940; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:00:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Tom Gimer Cc: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:11:42 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020813164321.56708.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020813164321.56708.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7DI0LHR021923 > >if the bike is so goddamn wonderful, advertise it in the >washington post classifieds this weekend and it'll be gone >by sunday. send me the bill for the advertising (i've >already provided my address) and move on with life. While you're at it of donating money to undeserving underachievers, I would like to say a sum of $36 equal to advertising in the post would look pretty good in my pocket and I hereby nominate myself for your consideration of possible reciepient of any further charitible contributions . haaaa From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 14:02:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DI2XHR022241; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:02:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DI2XVP022237; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:02:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New Plates Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:00:15 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208131400152M.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A little redirect from the flames (that have more or less died down). My new personalized tags arrived Saturday. I am now the proud (yes, proud) posessor of "FOAD". Carl '02 FXSTI -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 14:07:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DI7FHR022531; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:07:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DI7EZP022517; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:07:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Tom Gimer Cc: Rich Hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: threw my chain UPDATE Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:18:34 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F5D1@SERVER1> <20020813142446.21530.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020813142446.21530.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7DI7DHR022500 Exactlly what I was going to say. On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:24:46 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >sounds like you're running aluminum. i'd stick with steel. > >http://www.sprocketspecialists.com/ > > > >--- Rich Hall wrote: >> With the help of Paul Wilson (many thanks Paul) the chain >> is back on. The >> rear sprocket is all the way back and it's still loose. >> Paul said the >> valleys of the rear sprocket are too large as well, >> probably from wear. I >> went up 2 teeth on the rear sprocket when I had it done >> in November of last >> year, ~3k miles ago. I have a standard chain. He said >> he'd get an O-ring >> chain. Said they're easier to maintain. I'm leaning >> towards having a shop >> put on the new chain to see if I missed anything. The >> nuts on the rear >> sprocket took a lil abuse when the chain came off too. >> We also found a 1" >> by 1/2" piece missing from the top of the front sprocket >> housing where the >> chain must have hit it. >> >> If I were to order a chain & sprockets on line (would >> like to stay 2 teeth >> up on rear) where should I get them? >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 14:09:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DI9sHR022800; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:09:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DI9r11022794; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:09:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020813140631.0430bad0@winters.cc> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:07:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: New Plates In-Reply-To: <0208131400152M.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:00 PM 8/13/2002, Carl Schelin wrote: >I am now the proud (yes, proud) posessor of "FOAD". It's always nice to be one obscenity ahead of the DMV. ;-) /// Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 14:15:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DIFGHR023089; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:15:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DIFFJH023084; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:15:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Rob Winters Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Plates Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:26:35 -0400 Message-ID: <5qjiluc4u30lj0tnjsffffucpel8pq4sjs@4ax.com> References: <0208131400152M.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <5.1.0.14.2.20020813140631.0430bad0@winters.cc> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020813140631.0430bad0@winters.cc> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7DIFEHR023072 oh that clears it up now.... __ off and die. I didn't get it at first.. :) On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:07:18 -0400, you wrote: >At 02:00 PM 8/13/2002, Carl Schelin wrote: >>I am now the proud (yes, proud) posessor of "FOAD". > >It's always nice to be one obscenity ahead of the DMV. ;-) > > /// Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 14:19:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DIJEHR023371; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:19:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DIJEUn023366; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:19:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.249.198.132] From: "Pierre C" To: motorcycle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:19:07 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 18:19:07.0356 (UTC) FILETIME=[E99C71C0:01C242F5] Once again, i am sorry to everyone that i lost my temper. and to you too mr psycoldanny. >From: Motor PsychoL Danny >To: "Pierre C" >Subject: Re: my vfr conditions >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:21:46 -0400 > >when I'm speaking to someone more worthwhile I'll run spell check. >When i'm apathetic, it will show. Are you sure it's my spelling and >not my typing? so often idiots can't tell the difference. > >On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:47:32 +0100, you wrote: > > >Your spelling is horrible. > > > >>From: Motor PsychoL Danny > >>To: "Pierre C" > >>CC: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >>Subject: Re: my vfr conditions > >>Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:54:51 -0400 > >> > >>Peirre you're lack of matureness and lack of civility is showing. > >> > >>In the future I highly recommend you pay someone qualified to work on > >>your vehicles. If you can't even put a battery in right, it's pretty > >>much a matter of time before you do something else wrong and hurt > >>yourself. As a matter of fact you don't sound too competent period, > >>so might I suggest mass transit. > >> > >>A lot of us will be glad to see you go. Please cease and dissist from > >>the threats or any pathalogical violent behavior. We would hate to see > >>you jailed or committed to an institution and further your stay here. > >>The sooner you go the better. BYE! > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 14:21:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DILlHR023692; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:21:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DILlXG023686; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:21:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020813182144.71851.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:21:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Taxes To: Pierre C , t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Pierre: What taxes does the US govt. charge you to take the bike home to Italy? I would think the taxes are charged by the Italian gov? I am interested as at some point I want to import a bike to France. Mark --- Pierre C wrote: I wouldn't > sell it if i wasn't about to leave. The cost for > shipment and taxes and all > the rest make it impossible to ship it to italy. I > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 14:28:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DISKHR023988; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:28:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DISKV9023983; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:28:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Rob Winters , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Plates Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:26:01 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020813140631.0430bad0@winters.cc> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020813140631.0430bad0@winters.cc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208131426012P.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 13 August 2002 14:07, Rob Winters wrote: > At 02:00 PM 8/13/2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > >I am now the proud (yes, proud) posessor of "FOAD". > > It's always nice to be one obscenity ahead of the DMV. ;-) > I'm ready for them though: Fraternal Order of Architectural Draftsmen > /// Rob Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 14:28:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DISYHR024025; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:28:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DISXEQ024019; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:28:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.249.198.132] From: "Pierre C" To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Taxes Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:28:26 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 18:28:26.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[36D6B030:01C242F7] There are airport taxes, export taxes, registration taxes, insurance. It's an additional about $600 to pay. Export itself is about $1000 with a shipping company that i have found. But i would have to crate the bike by myself. >From: Mark Kitchell >To: Pierre C , t_gimer@XXXXXX, >dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Taxes >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:21:44 -0700 (PDT) > >Pierre: > >What taxes does the US govt. charge you to take the >bike home to Italy? I would think the taxes are >charged by the Italian gov? > >I am interested as at some point I want to import a >bike to France. > >Mark > >--- Pierre C wrote: >I wouldn't > > sell it if i wasn't about to leave. The cost for > > shipment and taxes and all > > the rest make it impossible to ship it to italy. I > > > >===== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 14:36:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DIaNHR024561; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:36:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DIaNpE024556; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:36:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F628@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New Plates Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:36:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Please explain your new plate to those of us that aren't as cool. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 2:26 PM To: Rob Winters; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Plates On Tuesday 13 August 2002 14:07, Rob Winters wrote: > At 02:00 PM 8/13/2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > >I am now the proud (yes, proud) posessor of "FOAD". > > It's always nice to be one obscenity ahead of the DMV. ;-) > I'm ready for them though: Fraternal Order of Architectural Draftsmen > /// Rob Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 14:48:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DImXHR024890; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:48:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DImWw4024886; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:48:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:51:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New Plates In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F628@SERVER1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Rich Hall wrote: > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:36:58 -0400 > From: Rich Hall > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: New Plates > > Please explain your new plate to those of us that aren't as cool. > Thanks. > Fine Orbital Ambidextrous Dwarves Fast Order Agressive Driver Furry Orange Animal Dealer Flatulence Observed After Drinking Free Our Apprehended Dragoons etc. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 14:48:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DImeHR024928; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:48:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DImeHO024922; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:48:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020813184836.48579.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:48:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Taxes To: Pierre C , markkitchell@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've got a crate you can have. It's a pallet with open sides and a hard top. The open sides were covered with saran wrap when I got the bike, not sure if thats enough for overseas shipping, but it shouldn't be too much extra to nail some cheap plywood to the sides if it has to be completely enclosed. Let me know if you change your mind and want to ship it. Leon. --- Pierre C wrote: > There are airport taxes, export taxes, registration > taxes, insurance. It's > an additional about $600 to pay. Export itself is > about $1000 with a > shipping company that i have found. But i would > have to crate the bike by > myself. > > >From: Mark Kitchell > >To: Pierre C , > t_gimer@XXXXXX, > >dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Taxes > >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:21:44 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Pierre: > > > >What taxes does the US govt. charge you to take the > >bike home to Italy? I would think the taxes are > >charged by the Italian gov? > > > >I am interested as at some point I want to import a > >bike to France. > > > >Mark > > > >--- Pierre C wrote: > >I wouldn't > > > sell it if i wasn't about to leave. The cost > for > > > shipment and taxes and all > > > the rest make it impossible to ship it to italy. > I > > > > > > >===== > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > >http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 14:49:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DInfHR025419; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:49:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DInfgq025415; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:49:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020813184938.39221.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:49:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Taxes To: Pierre C Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What about the desination country? How are you going to register a US bike in Italy and how much would that cost you? Thanks --- Pierre C wrote: > There are airport taxes, export taxes, registration > taxes, insurance. It's > an additional about $600 to pay. Export itself is > about $1000 with a > shipping company that i have found. But i would > have to crate the bike by > myself. > > >From: Mark Kitchell > >To: Pierre C , > t_gimer@XXXXXX, > >dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Taxes > >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:21:44 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Pierre: > > > >What taxes does the US govt. charge you to take the > >bike home to Italy? I would think the taxes are > >charged by the Italian gov? > > > >I am interested as at some point I want to import a > >bike to France. > > > >Mark > > > >--- Pierre C wrote: > >I wouldn't > > > sell it if i wasn't about to leave. The cost > for > > > shipment and taxes and all > > > the rest make it impossible to ship it to italy. > I > > > > > > >===== > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > >http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 14:51:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DIpAHR025695; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:51:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DIpALG025690; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:51:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Rich Hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Plates Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:48:55 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F628@SERVER1> In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F628@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208131448552S.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 13 August 2002 14:36, Rich Hall wrote: > Please explain your new plate to those of us that aren't as cool. > Thanks. > F___ Off And Die. Typical flame acronym on usenet. Not sure about coolness factor other than being one step ahead of the DMV. And if you don't know what it means, then it's just funny. I saw "fsck -y" on a plate last year. fsck is a unix utility. File System Check. -y just forces "yes" to all the questions about recovering lost clusters and fixing directory information. But just how many would know that? Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 14:56:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DIuuHR025975; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:56:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DIutFq025971; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:56:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.249.198.132] From: "Pierre C" To: markkitchell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Taxes Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:56:48 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 18:56:48.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D6B81C0:01C242FB] It would cost the fees plus the money i would have to spend to stay in the city where the bike would be shipped. That's milan. then other fees to stock it somewhere before it's inspectioned. I don't know for sure. it's a lot of work though. >From: Mark Kitchell >To: Pierre C >CC: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Taxes >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:49:38 -0700 (PDT) > >What about the desination country? How are you going >to register a US bike in Italy and how much would that >cost you? Thanks > > >--- Pierre C wrote: > > There are airport taxes, export taxes, registration > > taxes, insurance. It's > > an additional about $600 to pay. Export itself is > > about $1000 with a > > shipping company that i have found. But i would > > have to crate the bike by > > myself. > > > > >From: Mark Kitchell > > >To: Pierre C , > > t_gimer@XXXXXX, > > >dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Taxes > > >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:21:44 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Pierre: > > > > > >What taxes does the US govt. charge you to take the > > >bike home to Italy? I would think the taxes are > > >charged by the Italian gov? > > > > > >I am interested as at some point I want to import a > > >bike to France. > > > > > >Mark > > > > > >--- Pierre C wrote: > > >I wouldn't > > > > sell it if i wasn't about to leave. The cost > > for > > > > shipment and taxes and all > > > > the rest make it impossible to ship it to italy. > > I > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > >http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > > your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > >===== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 15:13:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DJDQHR026387; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:13:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DJDPIG026379; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:13:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Plates Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:24:46 -0400 Message-ID: <87nilu4nsgmgd3hdvn2s7jo4objvkfjtrv@4ax.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020813140631.0430bad0@winters.cc> <0208131426012P.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> In-Reply-To: <0208131426012P.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7DJDOHR026367 DMV is an obscenity. On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:26:01 -0400, you wrote: >On Tuesday 13 August 2002 14:07, Rob Winters wrote: >> At 02:00 PM 8/13/2002, Carl Schelin wrote: >> >I am now the proud (yes, proud) posessor of "FOAD". >> >> It's always nice to be one obscenity ahead of the DMV. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 15:33:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DJXAHR026740; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:33:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DJXA5o026735; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:33:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020813193307.1545.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:33:07 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: anybody recording tonight's Speed Channel? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm down near the equator and no chance of watching the VIR coverage. Can anybody record the runs tonight (and purhaps also recorded Sunday's coverage) on a VCR that I could borrow when I get back? Thanks much. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 15:33:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DJXtHR027002; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:33:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DJXtKb026996; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:33:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020813193352.7708.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:33:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: 211 this wed evening 8/14/02 To: Tom Gimer , jdonovan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020813130729.75389.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > i wish the same could be said for 211's thornton > gap, which > is quickly getting shitty in the pavement > department. > > I am thinking about getting a SuperMotard so I can ride 211. My SuperHawk does not handle the potholes very well. Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 15:44:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DJijHR027328; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:44:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DJiih9027323; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:44:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:47:52 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: training wheels? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1848746953&r=0&t=0 I've joked around that Honda might include them on the next 'wing, but it looks like someone beat them to it. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 17:10:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DLA4HR028128; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:10:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DLA3bN028109; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:10:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020813211000.21847.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:10:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: my vfr conditions To: Motor PsychoL Danny Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > > > >if the bike is so goddamn wonderful, advertise it in the > >washington post classifieds this weekend and it'll be > gone > >by sunday. send me the bill for the advertising (i've > >already provided my address) and move on with life. > > While you're at it of donating money to undeserving > underachievers, > I would like to say a sum of $36 equal to advertising in > the post > would look pretty good in my pocket and I hereby nominate > myself > for your consideration of possible reciepient of any > further > charitible contributions . haaaa if you're interested, i can help you to form a charitable organization and you can start accepting donations, tax-free. "undeserving underachievers, inc." has a nice ring to it. of course, "the foundation for finding foreigners flights, inc." is also quite catchy.... ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 17:20:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DLKvHR028581; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:20:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DLKvfg028574; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:20:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:18:08 -0400 (EDT) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: Jon Strang cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crash Alert! In-Reply-To: <01c201c242c9$631d9ce0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Jon Strang wrote: > For some reason, I see plastic all over 211.... > Thanks for the vote of confidence... Just thought some other folks might like to come out and ride after work one night... silly me, -john From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 17:25:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DLPvHR029010; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:25:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DLPuIQ029004; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:25:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:25:44 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: pawilson@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX, piffiffi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Message-ID: <6D7C8EAA.64B4E44C.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here Paul, let me help you with that hose. Although, Tom might enjoy it too much. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:31:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > > > Let me express this in a language you both can understand: BASTA! Enough! > I'm going to get the virtual fire hose out in a second and hose you both > off. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 17:30:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DLUPHR029323; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:30:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DLUP22029318; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:30:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:32:14 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Plates Message-ID: <3BF013B1.49DCD247.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OK....now what does it stand for? Scooter In a message dated Tue, 13 Aug 2002 1:00:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > A little redirect from the flames (that have more or less > died down). > > My new personalized tags arrived Saturday. > > I am now the proud (yes, proud) posessor of "FOAD". > > Carl > '02 FXSTI > -- > Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 17:32:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DLW4HR029846; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:32:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DLW4nw029841; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:32:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020813213201.46737.qmail@web21404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:32:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: my vfr conditions To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Why don't you see if you can get in on the group rate, "Motor Psycho"? Sounds like you need it more than Pierre does. In the wholesome and friendly spirit you have fostered, spelling and grammar lessons wouldn't hurt, either. Pierre's Italian, and he writes in English better than you do. -- Larry --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > Tom instead of a buyer, can you find him a > therapist? I think he > needs that more. Or maybe a therapists who rides so > they can give > each other a discount. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 17:32:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DLWWHR030133; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:32:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DLWVOw030126; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:32:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:33:40 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: rob@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Plates Message-ID: <2DBAC800.15FE91EA.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Uhhhh.....nevermind about my previous e-mail. I got it now. ;-) Scooter (a little slow today) In a message dated Tue, 13 Aug 2002 1:07:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > > > At 02:00 PM 8/13/2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > >I am now the proud (yes, proud) posessor of "FOAD". > > It's always nice to be one obscenity ahead of the DMV. ;-) > > /// Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 17:42:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DLgQHR030763; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:42:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DLgQxY030759; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:42:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <022d01c24312$ede55fe0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: Crash Alert! Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:45:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jon Strang" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 5:18 PM Subject: Re: Crash Alert! > On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Jon Strang wrote: > > > For some reason, I see plastic all over 211.... > > > > Thanks for the vote of confidence... Just thought some other folks might > like to come out and ride after work one night... silly me, > > -john Don't take it personally. That response is a perennial favorite on DC-Cycles. Whenever someone sticks his neck out and announces a "pick up" group ride, especially one likely to involve a spirited pace or challenging terrain, a reminder is offered that there is an unfortunate history to such things. I went on one such ride two years ago--it included an assault on 211--and two riders went down. Just a little perspective on why people say such things in response to an open riding invitation. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 17:43:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DLhsHR031165; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:43:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DLhrsM031156; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:43:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 13 Aug 2002 21:43:44 GMT Message-ID: <00b001c24312$779c4ec0$36e3f4d1@oemcomputer> From: "Alex & Kris Morse" To: Subject: DC registration stickers Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:43:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hi All, DC registration stickers for my wife's bike just arrived and instead of the old month/year stickers for the license plate we were sent the new window decal that is meant to be placed in a car's windshield. What do you do if you don't have a windshield? The sticker is sticky on the front so it can't be stuck to some other surface and still be read. Are there special moto stickers that we need to get? Thanks for any help Alex Mt. Pleasant From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 17:59:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DLxXHR031643; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:59:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DLxXJ2031636; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:59:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020813215930.99894.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:59:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: DC registration stickers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <00b001c24312$779c4ec0$36e3f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This happened to me, and I emailed them through their web site, and someone called me in response and said that the old license plate stickers are supposed to be used for bikes and I'd been sent the car one by mistake and that they'd mail me the right ones. I'd try that (and have her carry the registration sticker w/ her until she gets the new one), altho it may require a trip to dmv-land ... jib --- Alex & Kris Morse wrote: > Hi All, > DC registration stickers for my wife's bike just > arrived and instead of the > old month/year stickers for the license plate we > were sent the new window > decal that is meant to be placed in a car's > windshield. What do you do if > you don't have a windshield? The sticker is sticky > on the front so it can't > be stuck to some other surface and still be read. > Are there special moto > stickers that we need to get? > Thanks for any help > Alex > Mt. Pleasant > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 18:02:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DM2RHR032018; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:02:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DM2ReX032013; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:02:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <025d01c24315$b83d6240$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Alex & Kris Morse" , References: <00b001c24312$779c4ec0$36e3f4d1@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: DC registration stickers Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:56:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Alex, I think it means that DMV screwed up. I know you're shocked. My understanding is that DMV is supposed to continue issuing yearly license plate validation stickers for motorcycles, not the All-in-One issued for cages. Another collateral effect of the ongoing All-in-One fiasco is that the Big Clue hasn't yet come down from on high to all the police forces and meter maids roaming the area. So, the cops that have little else to do but pull people over for expired registrations (you can't see the All-in-One from the rear, natch) are busting people right and left. Patti, you want in on this? Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex & Kris Morse" > Hi All, > DC registration stickers for my wife's bike just arrived and instead of the > old month/year stickers for the license plate we were sent the new window > decal that is meant to be placed in a car's windshield. What do you do if > you don't have a windshield? The sticker is sticky on the front so it can't > be stuck to some other surface and still be read. Are there special moto > stickers that we need to get? > Thanks for any help > Alex > Mt. Pleasant > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 18:05:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7DM5ZHR032568; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:05:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7DM5Z6t032561; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:05:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:05:29 EDT Subject: i'm back! :) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 hi everyone! just want to let all of you know that i arrived from nags head safely to baltimore last night ... errr.. morning. i was accompianed by our own dc-cycle guys -- Sanath and Ricardo. They had their fancy GPS's and i was just along for the ride. it was nice riding except for the many accidents before richmond on saturday morning. it was so nice, i took the whole day off yesterday JUST to ride back with them! it's very odd --- before riding with Ricardo, he emailed and told me as a newbie to stay clear of 211 and all he talked about on the trip was me going to 211. *boggle* im just not sure how well my cute purple cruiser will do on the twisties! i also heard that i should maybe get a sportbike!? at any rate -- its been proven that i am a girl named jenn and im not chuck! :) im sure chuck enjoys being chuck --- i just wasnt very interested in being chuck! who's up for a sunday afternoon ride? jenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 20:24:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7E0OgHR001860; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:24:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7E0Ofpc001852; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:24:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Larry Larson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT Re: my vfr conditions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:36:04 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020813213201.46737.qmail@web21404.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020813213201.46737.qmail@web21404.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7E0OeHR001835 Okay I could use some therapy. Everyone can. Does he write in English or does he write English? Is he typing english or is he writing English? Is he correcting typos or is he apatheticly typing like I am? and what about you? Do either of you consider dc-cycles email list of such great importance that you proofread? In every type of creative writing class i've taken, we were taught to go with the flow and make corrections later. I personally don't think any internet posting is worth the time to go back and proofread. It's not that serious. How serious do you take internet spelling/typos. Oh yea and are you sure I can't spell or could it be I can't type? How sure? On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:32:01 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >Why don't you see if you can get in on the group rate, >"Motor Psycho"? Sounds like you need it more than >Pierre does. > >In the wholesome and friendly spirit you have >fostered, spelling and grammar lessons wouldn't hurt, >either. Pierre's Italian, and he writes in English >better than you do. > >-- Larry > > >--- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: >> Tom instead of a buyer, can you find him a >> therapist? I think he >> needs that more. Or maybe a therapists who rides so >> they can give >> each other a discount. >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 20:27:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7E0R1HR002255; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:27:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7E0R0Bu002249; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:27:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 14 Aug 2002 00:26:52 GMT Message-ID: <008601c2432b$34f7b960$6401a8c0@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: One more try: Stuff for sale--some moto, some not Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:40:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Since many of you were away this weekend, decided to forward this again. :) Hey all...been doing some cleaning this weekend and found some stuff that is going to get sold...thought I would post here first. moto stuff 1. Dowco motorcycle cover. G-50 sport custom. Black and grey. Used for one season. $45.00 obo 2. Brosh XS summer jacket. Grey and black...lightweight w/ kevlar. Used one season. $35.00 non-moto stuff: 1. Cherry Entertainment Center $150; Have had for only three months...brand new! Selling because of Bri and I moving in together and needing room for other stuff. :) http://www.sauder.com/productpage.asp?ProdNumber=2773&From=Entertainment&Sub =Entertainment%5FCenters 2. Two Beautiful bookcases with glass doors. One has glass doors on top with four drawers underneath. Other has glass doors on top with CD/VCR storage and shelves underneath. Will send pictures if interested. Originally $2000 for pair...will sell for $500. 3. Bedroom set. Very manly bedroom set :) Consists of: - One queen sized bed frame, black iron - Single sized dresser (3 drawer) - double sized side-by-side dresser (long, 3 drawers on each side) - one night stand (2 drawer) We still need to take pictures of this, but if interested, let us know. Will negotiate price with those interested. 4. Dining room set, modern, oak with 8' glass table top. Four chairs. Need to take pictures...will get pictures if interested. Will negotiate price with those interested. Laura & Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 20:47:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7E0llHR002765; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:47:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7E0llQH002760; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:47:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 14 Aug 2002 00:47:36 GMT Message-ID: <00d001c2432c$271980c0$36e3f4d1@oemcomputer> From: "Alex & Kris Morse" To: Subject: DC registration stickers Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:47:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 thanks for the advice/help. As usual, any interaction with the DC DMV seems to involve at least two trips to C Street. Alex Mt. Pleasant Bandit 12 PS: BTW, Paul, how do you like starpower internet? We've got the cable and phone but the price of the internet connection didn't seem like it was really all that discounted with their bundle. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 20:50:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7E0nxHR003161; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:49:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7E0nxCc003153; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:49:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Lisa Goddard" To: , , , , , , "dcccycles" , "Nicole Balenger" Subject: Aprilia Femmoto Test Day. Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:49:04 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Aprilia Femmoto Test Day. Jay and I headed down to VIR on Thursday, arriving at about 5 PM. After some difficulties entering the gates we made our way to the paddock for the South Course. There we met Monty and Bonnie, the owners and managers of Sport Bike Track Time, an organization out of Ohio that runs track days. We set up camp very close to the track and then took the dirt bike for a spin to go and see if we could find friends who were camped at the other end of the facility watching AMA races on the North Course. No luck in finding our friends but we did see some other folks we knew. I also enjoyed finding the Team Suzuki Corona tent with complimentary beer!! We headed back to the South Course, Jay cooked up a nice supper and we turned in early for the night. It turned out to be quite a cool night, we were glad we were sleeping in the truck, not a tent and we were thankful we had our dogs with us to keep us warm. I was signed up on Friday for the morning sessions with a total of three test rides. I chose to start on an Aprilia Falco, Aprilia Futura and then an Aprilia Mille RSV. Each bike retails for at least ten thousand dollars. Needless to say I was delighted to have the opportunity to test all three on a racetrack for the grand total of fifty-five dollars. We were split in to three groups according to skill level, I chose to put myself in to the intermediate group. After a short briefing by the track marshal we were sent out on the track. I am familiar with the South Course at VIR and was really able to enjoy it on a bike I was not familiar with. The Falco rode smoothly and I was quite comfortable on it. I even enjoyed making a few passes on the front straight during that session. I spent one lap debating on weather or not it was impolite to pass Monte, who was serving as an instructor and ride leader. I decided to pass him because he was riding much slower in order to help another rider learn the course. After that session the woman in charge of scheduling which bike was taken out by which rider, Wendy, decided that I need to be put in the advanced group. The advanced group allowed for passing on both the front and back straights of the track. I felt somewhat intimidated joining the more accomplished riders in the advanced group. There were three women who had flown in from California for this event, they were both instructors at Keith Code)B’s Superbike School. Because I had been moved to the advanced group Wendy had more difficulty making sure I got to ride the three bikes I had chosen to ride. Because of this, she said I could also ride for a few sessions in the afternoon too. I ended up taking the Falco out for two more sessions. After the lunch break Bonnie began letting people take her personal Aprilia RS-250 out on the track. I enjoyed that bike for a session, needless to say I was much kinder to the RS-250 than to the bikes that were owned by Aprilia. The RS-250 was the first two-stroke bike I have ever ridden on a track. I am not used to kick starting a bike before heading out on the course. Keeping the rev)B’s up was also another challenge. Aprilia had plenty of people dedicated the pit lane to help riders heading out and coming back in. Jay spent most of his day assisting and was rewarded with a few sessions of riding Aprilia motorcycles at the end of the day. After the RS-250 I rode the Mille RSV. The Mille is a fantastic bike but I found it to be a little too much for me, maybe I am just not meant to drive a Ferrari. The last bike of the day that I rode was the Futura. Quite a large bike meant more for touring. The suspension was set quite soft for the more vertically challenged riders of that day. I really noticed this when I was trying to settle the bike for turns. My favorite bike of the day was the Falco. Just a great all around bike that felt really comfortable and handled very well on the track. At the end of the day Wendy even let Jay take a few sessions on Aprilia's. He rode the Caponorde for two sessions. He even passed me on the straight when I was on the Futura. It's a good thing I had a tinted visor on my helmet. Aprilia had some press photographers there and I am sure you would have been able to see my screaming if I had a clear visor on when Jay passed me. Jay then rode an RSV to end the day. A few bikes had been run off course that day but there were no major accidents or damage. Stay tuned for part two of this weekend to hear about the damage.... Lisa Goddard '95 VFR, sticking with it due to unemployment. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 21:22:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7E1M7HR003750; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:22:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7E1M7f9003745; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:22:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002201c24330$bd3a7010$a8282c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Motor PsychoL Danny" , "Larry Larson" , References: <20020813213201.46737.qmail@web21404.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT Re: my vfr conditions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:20:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 The spellchecker option in MS Outhouse or Eudora works for me. Why make messages harder to read with "creative" spelling? I figure I might as well make my drivel as easy to read as possible, by using correct spelling and capitalization. Text with the caps missing is very slow going. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Motor PsychoL Danny" > Okay I could use some therapy. Everyone can. > > Does he write in English or does he write English? > Is he typing english or is he writing English? Is he correcting typos > or is he apatheticly typing like I am? and what about you? > Do either of you consider dc-cycles email list of such great > importance that you proofread? In every type of creative writing > class i've taken, we were taught to go with the flow and make > corrections later. I personally don't think any internet posting is > worth the time to go back and proofread. It's not that serious. > How serious do you take internet spelling/typos. Oh yea and are you > sure I can't spell or could it be I can't type? How sure? > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:32:01 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > >Why don't you see if you can get in on the group rate, > >"Motor Psycho"? Sounds like you need it more than > >Pierre does. > > > >In the wholesome and friendly spirit you have > >fostered, spelling and grammar lessons wouldn't hurt, > >either. Pierre's Italian, and he writes in English > >better than you do. > > > >-- Larry > > > > > >--- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > >> Tom instead of a buyer, can you find him a > >> therapist? I think he > >> needs that more. Or maybe a therapists who rides so > >> they can give > >> each other a discount. > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > >http://www.hotjobs.com > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 21:28:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7E1ScHR004281; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:28:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7E1SbXb004270; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:28:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [209.70.39.111] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: my vfr conditions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:28:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 01:28:30.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[E563D9E0:01C24331] Don't you just love that Italian panache? ;^) Perry >From: "Jon Strang" >Reply-To: >To: "'Pierre C'" , >Subject: RE: my vfr conditions >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:58:50 -0400 > >It's a Ducati, my Italian friend. > >(I spit coffee all over my monitor when I read this email....) > > >--jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Pierre C [mailto:piffiffi@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:31 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: my vfr conditions > > >thanks to the questinable sense of humor of some people on this list, i >explain that my bike was "stranded" because i blew up a fuse because i had >put the battery on the wrong way: the positive's battery attached to the >battery's negative and viceversa. The price to fix the bike was the money >to buy a 30 amps fuse. > >I don't know who this funny guy is, and what is his bike. I doubt it's >anything i would ever ride though. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > >################################################################# >################################################################# >################################################################# >##### >##### >##### >################################################################# >################################################################# >################################################################# > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 21:42:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7E1gWHR004787; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:42:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7E1gVXl004780; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:42:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "'Paul Wilson'" , "'Alex & Kris Morse'" , Subject: RE: DC registration stickers Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:50:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c2433d$6ae4c9c0$d8a78eac@ticostat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <025d01c24315$b83d6240$bb82fea9@palladio1> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Apparently-From: Rodgersmp@XXXXXX Alex starts: >> Are there special moto > stickers that we need to get? And Paul adds: >>Patti, you want in on this? Alex, you do in fact have the wrong stickers. And most of the people at DMV don't know the difference either. What you have to do is call a special wing of the DMV that deals with motorcycle stickers. I have the number at my office if you email me directly tomorrow to remind me; the guy I talked to was named Sharif but I must add that it took like 3 follow-ups to get the right stickers. What you are supposed to have: the same old year and month stickers to go on the tags, and when you get inspected you should get another blue sticker but this year it goes on the forks, not the tags. They will mail you the proper stickers if you really fuss about it, or if you feel the need for some more punishment you can go to C Street and pick them up. Last I heard the Georgetown branch was still out of motorcycle stickers. Isaac seemed to have a much easier time getting his replacement stickers so maybe he can share his contact info with you. I don't remember the lady's name but I guess I had bad timing because every time I called her she was out to lunch. (No flames about DC Gov employees because I am one too) FWIW this fiasco pales in comparison to getting the temp tags for my BSA. Armed with no title (bike over 30 years old and I don't think it ever had a title in the first place) but only a bill of sale and out of state registration from a title service, I did OK getting through the information line. Then I went through the time warp where somehow I lost almost four hours of my life and when I came out the other side I was face-to-face with a new clerk on her first day. According to DC DMV there is no such maker of motorcycles as BSA. I basically had to show this girl who can barely spell BSA how to create a database record from scratch for this bike. grrrrrrr.... I am putting off getting it inspected till after my vacation because truly I cannot deal with explaining how the freakin' thing never had turn signals to begin with and yes that really is the shifter there on the wrong side! All of us living in DC will get into heaven more easily because we are serving our sentences here at the DC DMV! Cheers, good luck! Patti '95 Yamaha Virago '69 BSA FireBird From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 21:43:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7E1hPHR005187; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:43:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7E1hOdT005180; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:43:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D59B706.41DF5BE@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:48:54 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: Motor PsychoL Danny , Larry Larson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT Re: my vfr conditions References: <20020813213201.46737.qmail@web21404.mail.yahoo.com> <002201c24330$bd3a7010$a8282c42@D7XFG711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I dunno, Paul. Everytime I click "spellcheck" my computer screams OOOOO NOOOOO!!! Spellchecking 20 or so pages of my fiction has been know to produce wisps of smoke from the computer vents. Of course, many are typos caused by a lethal combo of lack of keyboard skill and mild dyslexia. No! No! The other right! Larry is being pendantic. Danny is ... well, Danny. Bill Paul Wilson wrote: > The spellchecker option in MS Outhouse or Eudora works for me. Why make > messages harder to read with "creative" spelling? I figure I might as well > make my drivel as easy to read as possible, by using correct spelling and > capitalization. Text with the caps missing is very slow going. > > Paul From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 21:52:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7E1qaHR005619; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:52:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7E1qZDD005613; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:52:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020813214556.029e7ca0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:49:41 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: OT Re: my vfr conditions Eudora B.O. In-Reply-To: <3D59B706.41DF5BE@patriot.net> References: <20020813213201.46737.qmail@XXXXXX> <002201c24330$bd3a7010$a8282c42@D7XFG711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:48 PM 8/13/2002, William J. Huson wrote: >The spellchecker option in MS Outhouse or Eudora works for me. FYI - if you use Eudora, be careful. All of our desktops run 5.1 at work (and home), and I love it, but a pretty serious vulnerability was released yesterday, and Qualcomm is in no hurry to fix it. I have been in contact with their tech support trying to get them to hurry along and release 5.2 I even proved the vulnerability to them - they aren't concerned. http://online.securityfocus.com/bid/5397 (click on exploit if interested) ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org "Your glass is empty O'Flaherty, will you be having another?" "And why would I be wanting two empty glasses?" replied O'Flaherty. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 21:57:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7E1v7HR006033; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:57:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7E1v63k006027; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:57:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D59B8CE.2614A8B4@boo.net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:56:30 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "members@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Welder needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need a to barrow some time on a MIG or ARC welder. I am putting together a rack to mount on the receiver of my truck that will haul my dirt bike. My good friend is a certified welder in the Navy and he will be doing the welding. I will have the metal cut and ready before hand. All I need is the welder and a space to do the job. I will provide the stick and the man power. The whole thing should take about 3 hours. I would be happy to pay for the favor. Thanks!! Jay From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 22:06:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7E26tHR006480; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:06:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7E26sti006475; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:06:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D59BC8A.7FA3659B@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:12:26 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jay Goddard CC: "members@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Welder needed References: <3D59B8CE.2614A8B4@boo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a 225 Lincoln sparky welder - location Annandale VA, availability tommorrow 08/14/02. Or next week... Bill Jay Goddard wrote: > I need a to barrow some time on a MIG or ARC welder. I am putting > together a rack to mount on the receiver of my truck that will haul my > dirt bike. My good friend is a certified welder in the Navy and he will > be doing the welding. I will have the metal cut and ready before hand. > All I need is the welder and a space to do the job. I will provide the > stick and the man power. The whole thing should take about 3 hours. I > would be happy to pay for the favor. > > Thanks!! > Jay From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 13 22:10:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7E2AqHR006901; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:10:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7E2ApaN006895; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:10:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D59BD7A.D3E2A51B@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:16:26 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jay Goddard CC: "members@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Welder needed References: <3D59B8CE.2614A8B4@boo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgot - phone # (703) 624-9648 0r (703) 256-3115. Jay Goddard wrote: > I need a to barrow some time on a MIG or ARC welder. I am putting > together a rack to mount on the receiver of my truck that will haul my > dirt bike. My good friend is a certified welder in the Navy and he will > be doing the welding. I will have the metal cut and ready before hand. > All I need is the welder and a space to do the job. I will provide the > stick and the man power. The whole thing should take about 3 hours. I > would be happy to pay for the favor. > > Thanks!! > Jay From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 01:52:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7E5qUHR008287; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:52:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7E5qRkl008273; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:52:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Cager performs K-Turn in curve on Joplin Road [long] Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:52:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c24356$c1c9c6f0$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal So I'm on my new SV, it's just after midnight tonight and I'm cruising the last part of Joplin Road just after it turns to 25mph before the 95 ramps. Background: I decided at 11pm that I would "break the seal" and kick out of the 5k rpm break-in limit on Joplin Road. I decided to keep my speed at "mature" levels mostly because I was scared of whacking Bambi... With 490 miles showing, I got off 95 at Quantico and jogged up Joplin. I counted 8 deer. I was riding very cautiously! Went up got some gas and turned around to hit Joplin back down to Quantico and head home. Now, mind you I was pretty happy to see the magic 5-0-0 roll up and I dropped two gears and let the tach touch 8k (New Break-In limit till 1000 miles). I'm still cruising at 35, maybe hit 45 out of the turns. OK, so as I come into the last 1/2 mile before 95, I come around a corner and find a headlight on my side of the road. No biggie, I thought for about a millisecond, thinking it was a car's LEFT headlight. Ahhh, but then it all snapped in like a brick to the temple. It was the fucking passenger-side headlight and it was still heading left --right at me! My reaction time was good, err, too good. Before I realized it, my back wheel was locked and the front was diving like Greg Louganis. Now, this is where it actually gets interesting... She hasn't seen me, my wide open mouth and eyeballs, nor my dual highbeams. She hasn't heard the marathon explicatives, the nashing of my teeth or the squeal of sliding rubber. She is still coming over! My instinct was to break right thinking she'd see me and snap out of la-la-land and cut back to her lane. Nope. Now I am left with a strip of pavement 24" wide as she holds her course, no wait now it's 20" wide, umm 15", oh shit...10", 5", 1".... The irony, I'm worried about hitting a deer on the road one second, the next I am worried about hitting a deer in the woods as my shiny bike goes MXing into the roadside trough. Somehow, I managed to keep it together, about 100 feet further on I see the trough wall isn't so steep so I heave it over and pop out of the trough (my first wheelie!) I stop and look back and realize this woman is lost. She had Tennessee plates and was looking for a spot wide enough to do a K-turn and get back on 95. I don't think she ever saw me until I tried to have her pull over and she flipped me the bird. Perfect. The morale? ->Man! The SV gets to be so much more fun after the 500 mile break-in! Rob Curtis Senior Photographer Army Times Publishing Co. Springfield, VA http://www.robcurtis.com __________________ "To be persuasive, we must be believable. To be believable, we must be credible. To be credible, we must be truthful." Edward R. Murrow From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 02:12:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7E6CQHR008664; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:12:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7E6CQtA008654; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:12:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020814061224.5794.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:12:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Cager performs K-Turn in curve on Joplin Road [long] To: rm.curtis@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: <000001c24356$c1c9c6f0$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Rob Curtis wrote: >> The morale? ->Man! The SV gets to be so much more > fun after the 500 mile > break-in! > Well I am glad to see you had fun. :^) Joplin Rd. at night, not my first choice, better in the daytime. Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 02:13:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7E6DAHR008958; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:13:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7E6D9ru008952; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:13:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: anybody recording tonight's Speed Channel? Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:24:19 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020813193307.1545.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020813193307.1545.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7E6D8HR008940 I did, if anyone else didn't. On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:33:07 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >I'm down near the equator and no chance of watching the VIR coverage. >Can anybody record the runs tonight (and purhaps also recorded Sunday's >coverage) on a VCR that I could borrow when I get back? > >Thanks much. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 02:46:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7E6kYHR009368; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:46:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7E6kYqg009363; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:46:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Moose Chain Cleaner? Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:46:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c2435e$50ead7f0$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Anyone have any experience with a moose chain cleaner? Saw it on Dennis Kirk. Looks just like a bigger version of the kind I used to use to clean the chain on my mountain bike. Ya dump some cleaner in it, slap it shut around the chain and the bristles inside scrub the chain as you spin the wheel. Worked well on my bicycle... Wondering if anyone has used one on a 520 though? I'm mainly interested in it because if it works, it might keep me from dumping dirty kerosene all over my driveway. Rob Curtis Senior Photographer Army Times Publishing Co. Springfield, VA http://www.robcurtis.com __________________ "To be persuasive, we must be believable. To be believable, we must be credible. To be credible, we must be truthful." Edward R. Murrow From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 02:58:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7E6wdHR009709; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:58:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7E6wcDZ009700; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:58:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: "Larry Larson" , Subject: Re: OT Re: my vfr conditions Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:09:57 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020813213201.46737.qmail@web21404.mail.yahoo.com> <002201c24330$bd3a7010$a8282c42@D7XFG711> In-Reply-To: <002201c24330$bd3a7010$a8282c42@D7XFG711> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7E6wbHR009683 Text with caps missing is hard for you to read? Try paying attention to punctuation then. Spell checking unimportant email. How virtuous. Do you iron your pajama's too? On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:20:12 -0400, you wrote: >The spellchecker option in MS Outhouse or Eudora works for me. Why make >messages harder to read with "creative" spelling? I figure I might as well >make my drivel as easy to read as possible, by using correct spelling and >capitalization. Text with the caps missing is very slow going. > >Paul >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Motor PsychoL Danny" > > > >> Okay I could use some therapy. Everyone can. >> >> Does he write in English or does he write English? >> Is he typing english or is he writing English? Is he correcting typos >> or is he apatheticly typing like I am? and what about you? >> Do either of you consider dc-cycles email list of such great >> importance that you proofread? In every type of creative writing >> class i've taken, we were taught to go with the flow and make >> corrections later. I personally don't think any internet posting is >> worth the time to go back and proofread. It's not that serious. >> How serious do you take internet spelling/typos. Oh yea and are you >> sure I can't spell or could it be I can't type? How sure? >> >> On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:32:01 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >> >> >Why don't you see if you can get in on the group rate, >> >"Motor Psycho"? Sounds like you need it more than >> >Pierre does. >> > >> >In the wholesome and friendly spirit you have >> >fostered, spelling and grammar lessons wouldn't hurt, >> >either. Pierre's Italian, and he writes in English >> >better than you do. >> > >> >-- Larry >> > >> > >> >--- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: >> >> Tom instead of a buyer, can you find him a >> >> therapist? I think he >> >> needs that more. Or maybe a therapists who rides so >> >> they can give >> >> each other a discount. >> >> >> > >> > >> >__________________________________________________ >> >Do You Yahoo!? >> >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >> >http://www.hotjobs.com >> >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 06:07:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EA7mHR011270; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:07:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EA7lJ5011262; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:07:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:07:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Spelling (was: OT; my vfr conditions) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > How serious do you take internet spelling/typos. Almost as seriously as errors in any of my other writing. I went through a phase in college in which I refused to use capitalization in any of my writing, but that was thankfully brief. Since then, I take the quality of my writing pretty seriously indeed. When most of your business communication is done via email, you learn to clean up your act fairly quickly. Of course, I've been a spelling and grammar nazi since I was approximately two, so perhaps I'm a little strange that way. Fish. my mail client doesn't even have a spell checker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 06:27:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EARqHR011511; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:27:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EARqGA011506; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:27:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Spelling (was: OT; my vfr conditions) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:25:37 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02081406253730.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 14 August 2002 06:07, Fish Flowers wrote: > On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > > How serious do you take internet spelling/typos. > > Almost as seriously as errors in any of my other writing. I went through a > phase in college in which I refused to use capitalization in any of my > writing, but that was thankfully brief. Since then, I take the quality of > my writing pretty seriously indeed. When most of your business > communication is done via email, you learn to clean up your act fairly > quickly. > Since I was a graphic artist/typesetter first then a programmer, I tend to spell better and on the fly. No spell checker for me. Spelling errors in programs means they don't compile. I do try to ignore the spelling errors and most of the time I just look at dc-cycles (and dc-sage) as another news group. Flaming usenet for spelling/grammer errors just leaves you open to harassment. Many times I'll ignore the message though. The flames in the VFR thread were interesting so I held on. If it's someone at the office, I might poke them about it depending on who it is. > Of course, I've been a spelling and grammar nazi since I was approximately > two, so perhaps I'm a little strange that way. > > Fish. > my mail client doesn't even have a spell checker I don't think mine has one. If I'm not sure of the spelling, I look it up on dictionary.com. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 07:08:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EB8bHR011823; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:08:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EB8bN8011816; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:08:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814070756.00b32390@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:08:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: OT Re: my vfr conditions Eudora B.O. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020813214556.029e7ca0@mail.troutman.org> References: <3D59B706.41DF5BE@patriot.net> <20020813213201.46737.qmail@XXXXXX> <002201c24330$bd3a7010$a8282c42@D7XFG711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:49 PM 8/13/2002 -0400, Troutman wrote: >At 09:48 PM 8/13/2002, William J. Huson wrote: >>The spellchecker option in MS Outhouse or Eudora works for me. > >FYI - if you use Eudora, be careful. All of our desktops run 5.1 at work >(and home), and I love it, but a pretty serious vulnerability was released >yesterday, and Qualcomm is in no hurry to fix it. I have been in contact >with their tech support trying to get them to hurry along and release >5.2 I even proved the vulnerability to them - they aren't concerned. > >http://online.securityfocus.com/bid/5397 > >(click on exploit if interested) what specifically is the vulnerability? The website is pretty vague. tks, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 07:19:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EBJpHR012008; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:19:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EBJpxU012003; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:19:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT Re: my vfr conditions Eudora B.O. Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:17:37 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3D59B706.41DF5BE@patriot.net> <002201c24330$bd3a7010$a8282c42@D7XFG711> <5.1.0.14.2.20020814070756.00b32390@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814070756.00b32390@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02081407173737.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 14 August 2002 07:08, Aki Damme wrote: > At 09:49 PM 8/13/2002 -0400, Troutman wrote: > >At 09:48 PM 8/13/2002, William J. Huson wrote: > >>The spellchecker option in MS Outhouse or Eudora works for me. > > > >FYI - if you use Eudora, be careful. All of our desktops run 5.1 at work > >(and home), and I love it, but a pretty serious vulnerability was released > >yesterday, and Qualcomm is in no hurry to fix it. I have been in contact > >with their tech support trying to get them to hurry along and release > >5.2 I even proved the vulnerability to them - they aren't concerned. > > > >http://online.securityfocus.com/bid/5397 > > > >(click on exploit if interested) > > what specifically is the vulnerability? The website is pretty vague. > It looks like a straight buffer overflow exploit. If you put 117 (if Japanese) or 121 (if English) \x90 characters and then the rootkit ($egg) with a jmp instruction you'll execute what's in the egg. It looks like they're using notepad.exe in the example perl scripts. This is without testing it though. It seems fairly serious though if I'm understanding it correctly. > tks, > -aki Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 07:22:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EBMuHR012179; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:22:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EBMtWT012172; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:22:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814071755.00b41330@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:22:47 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Spelling (was: OT; my vfr conditions) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:07 AM 8/14/2002 -0500, Fish Flowers wrote: >On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > > > How serious do you take internet spelling/typos. > >Almost as seriously as errors in any of my other writing. I went through a >phase in college in which I refused to use capitalization in any of my >writing, but that was thankfully brief. Since then, I take the quality of >my writing pretty seriously indeed. When most of your business >communication is done via email, you learn to clean up your act fairly >quickly. > >Of course, I've been a spelling and grammar nazi since I was approximately >two, so perhaps I'm a little strange that way. > >Fish. >my mail client doesn't even have a spell checker I have to agree *to a point*. Obvious spelling errors that can be caught via any standard spell checker probably get to me more than anything. I know I also consider the source more credible if they know the difference between their, they're and there and rode and road...etc. Maybe I'm a little prejudiced but reading rec.moto for example, if I see a post like: "Hey dudez, me and my peeps are cruizn and want to know bout some gud plazes to ryde." I'm less likely to take the post or the poster seriously. However, I'm not anal about it and unless I'm seriously irritated, won't make an issue of it either. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 07:28:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EBSgHR012344; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:28:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EBSfHI012339; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:28:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D5A4031.15E584F5@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:34:09 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rm.curtis@XXXXXX CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Moose Chain Cleaner? References: <000201c2435e$50ead7f0$6401a8c0@cypher> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob Curtis wrote: > Anyone have any experience with a moose chain cleaner? Saw it on Dennis > Kirk. Looks just like a bigger version of the kind I used to use to > clean the chain on my mountain bike. Ya dump some cleaner in it, slap it > shut around the chain and the bristles inside scrub the chain as you > spin the wheel. > > Worked well on my bicycle... Wondering if anyone has used one on a 520 > though? I'm mainly interested in it because if it works, it might keep > me from dumping dirty kerosene all over my driveway. What? Another tool-toy to misplace? This is where the Washington Post & Washington Star are perfectly unbiased. Both work very well as goober-grimy catchers under the bike. Used several sections of Sunday's Post when I changed oil yesterday. Er... didn't need paper when I brushed the dust off my belt drive. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 07:35:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EBZRHR012538; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:35:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EBZRBu012532; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:35:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:35:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Spelling (was: OT; my vfr conditions) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814071755.00b41330@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Aki Damme wrote: > Maybe I'm a little prejudiced but reading rec.moto for example, if I > see a post like: > > "Hey dudez, me and my peeps are cruizn and want to know bout some gud > plazes to ryde." > > I'm less likely to take the post or the poster seriously. Actually, I consider this to be the best argument for proper English in emails. When I see blatantly incorrect spelling or usage, I immediately assume the writer is either A) foreign, B) twelve, or C) an idiot. And, yes, sometimes this makes an ass out of you and me (but mostly me) -- I know many people who for one reason or another don't use proper English in email but who are otherwise quite intelligent. But the fact remains that people tend to take you a little more seriously if you don't sound like an idiot. This is why Dan Rather reports the news, and Beavis and Butthead don't. Fish. there was, huh, huhuhuh, a fire, fire!, cool, today, huh, huhuh, fire From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 07:39:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EBdIHR012700; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:39:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EBdImL012692; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:39:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Aki Damme , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Spelling (was: OT; my vfr conditions) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:37:04 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814071755.00b41330@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814071755.00b41330@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02081407370438.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 14 August 2002 07:22, Aki Damme wrote: > At 05:07 AM 8/14/2002 -0500, Fish Flowers wrote: > >On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > > > How serious do you take internet spelling/typos. > > > >Almost as seriously as errors in any of my other writing. I went through a > >phase in college in which I refused to use capitalization in any of my > >writing, but that was thankfully brief. Since then, I take the quality of > >my writing pretty seriously indeed. When most of your business > >communication is done via email, you learn to clean up your act fairly > >quickly. > > > >Of course, I've been a spelling and grammar nazi since I was approximately > >two, so perhaps I'm a little strange that way. > > > >Fish. > >my mail client doesn't even have a spell checker > > I have to agree *to a point*. Obvious spelling errors that can be caught > via any > standard spell checker probably get to me more than anything. > > I know I also consider the source more credible if they know the difference > between > their, they're and there and rode and road...etc. > I was at the gym last week and discovered one of their "look at me boards" for the rowers. Unfortunately the title had "you're" instead of "your". I brought it to their attention. They whited out the stapled letter and apostrophe. > Maybe I'm a little prejudiced but reading rec.moto for example, if I see a > post like: > > "Hey dudez, me and my peeps are cruizn and want to know bout some gud > plazes to ryde." > > I'm less likely to take the post or the poster seriously. > > However, I'm not anal about it and unless I'm seriously irritated, won't > make an issue of it either. > Same with word wrapping or html posts. There is someone in this group (I can't recall who just now) that posts only html. Due to inherent security risks of htmlized e-mail and usenet postings, I have that disabled. > -aki Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 07:41:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EBfxHR012865; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:41:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EBfx1S012857; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:41:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D5A4354.6B9D783C@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:47:32 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Spelling (was: OT; my vfr conditions) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814071755.00b41330@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki Damme wrote: > I have to agree *to a point*. Obvious spelling errors that can be caught > via any > standard spell checker probably get to me more than anything. > > I know I also consider the source more credible if they know the difference > between > their, they're and there and rode and road...etc. Good point, Aki! My fav among the many examples is 'break' instead of 'brake'. There is a word for that, two words that sound alike, but are spelled different and have different meanings. I know that word! But als, that word is romping with the dust bunnies who inhabit my mental files. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 07:44:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EBiTHR013022; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:44:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EBiTHt013015; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:44:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D5A43EA.6DFBFB5A@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:50:03 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Spelling (was: OT; my vfr conditions) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814071755.00b41330@pop.east.cox.net> <3D5A4354.6B9D783C@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "William J. Huson" wrote: > Aki Damme wrote: > > > I have to agree *to a point*. Obvious spelling errors that can be caught > > via any > > standard spell checker probably get to me more than anything. > > > > I know I also consider the source more credible if they know the difference > > between > > their, they're and there and rode and road...etc. > > Good point, Aki! My fav among the many examples is 'break' instead of 'brake'. > There is a word for that, two words that sound alike, but are spelled different and > have different meanings. I know that word! But als, that word is romping with the > dust bunnies who inhabit my mental files. > > Bill And of course, I didn't proof or spellcheck... Rap my knuckles! "But ALAS, that word...." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 07:45:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EBjYHR013171; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:45:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EBjYo8013167; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:45:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:45:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Maddox To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Spelling (was: OT; my vfr conditions) In-Reply-To: <3D5A4354.6B9D783C@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, William J. Huson wrote: >Good point, Aki! My fav among the many examples is 'break' instead of >'brake'. There is a word for that, two words that sound alike, but are >spelled different and have different meanings. I know that word! But >als, that word is romping with the dust bunnies who inhabit my mental >files. Homonym (my dust bunnies are highly caffeinated this morning) 8-) -- Andrew Maddox, found at: madsox@XXXXXX Today's Bartism: I will not draw naked ladies in class. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 07:47:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EBljHR013337; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:47:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EBliPP013329; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:47:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:47:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Maddox To: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Spelling (was: OT; my vfr conditions) In-Reply-To: <02081406253730.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: >On Wednesday 14 August 2002 06:07, Fish Flowers wrote: >> On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: >> > How serious do you take internet spelling/typos. >> >> Almost as seriously as errors in any of my other writing. > >I do try to ignore the spelling errors and most of the time I just look at >dc-cycles (and dc-sage) as another news group. Flaming usenet for >spelling/grammer errors just leaves you open to harassment. ^^^^^^ Heh. Carl made a funny! 8-) (That *was* intentional, wasn't it?) -- Andrew Maddox, found at: madsox@XXXXXX Today's Bartism: I will not draw naked ladies in class. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 07:48:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EBmoHR013491; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:48:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EBmoxY013483; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:48:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D5A44EF.DF2B9C8B@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:54:23 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: Aki Damme , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Spelling (was: OT; my vfr conditions) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814071755.00b41330@pop.east.cox.net> <02081407370438.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > Same with word wrapping or html posts. There is someone in this group (I > can't recall who just now) that posts only html. > > Due to inherent security risks of htmlized e-mail and usenet postings, I have > that disabled. html runs rampant among AOL users. Why, I'm not sure. Default settings? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 07:53:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EBrBHR013659; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:53:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EBrAGI013653; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:53:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "William J. Huson" Subject: Re: Spelling (was: OT; my vfr conditions) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:50:55 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: Aki Damme , DC-Cycles References: <02081407370438.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3D5A44EF.DF2B9C8B@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3D5A44EF.DF2B9C8B@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208140750553A.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 14 August 2002 07:54, William J. Huson wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > Same with word wrapping or html posts. There is someone in this group (I > > can't recall who just now) that posts only html. > > > > Due to inherent security risks of htmlized e-mail and usenet postings, I > > have that disabled. > > html runs rampant among AOL users. Why, I'm not sure. Default settings? > I think I mostly see it from the Hotmail users. My wife occasionally forgets. When I reply with all the HTML she laughs. > Bill Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 07:56:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EBuIHR013822; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:56:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EBuIeQ013815; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:56:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Andrew Maddox , dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Spelling (was: OT; my vfr conditions) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:54:03 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208140754033B.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 14 August 2002 07:47, Andrew Maddox wrote: > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > >On Wednesday 14 August 2002 06:07, Fish Flowers wrote: > >> On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > >> > How serious do you take internet spelling/typos. > >> > >> Almost as seriously as errors in any of my other writing. > > > >I do try to ignore the spelling errors and most of the time I just look at > >dc-cycles (and dc-sage) as another news group. Flaming usenet for > >spelling/grammer errors just leaves you open to harassment. > > ^^^^^^ > > Heh. Carl made a funny! 8-) > > (That *was* intentional, wasn't it?) > Nope. I was just blissfully typing along. My biggest problems are dyslexia and getting the correct letter when it could be 'a' or 'e'. I had originally spelled it "germmer", backed up and "corrected" it to "grammer" and patted myself on the back for getting the 'a' and the order correct. Forgive me for missing the second 'a' :-) But it just proves that in every spelling flame there's an error (crosses fingers). Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 08:27:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7ECRCHR014295; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:27:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7ECR9FF014276; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:27:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'jdonovan@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: 211 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:27:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" GB "instructing" again.... sorry. 211 is a tiny, fun little run up and over skyline drive... twisty, turny, FULL of tourists this time of year (campers, RV's, Goldwings with trailers etc...). Trucks us it regularly and all of that.... Hence.... the edges are crumbling away. Deep into a downhill right hand swoop you will find, not asphalt, not macadam, not tarmac...but crumbled and broken variations and representations of what USED to be pavement. So stay off the edges. a Bicycle rider once told me that eastern "mountains" are actually graded steeper than most western climbs & in his experience, were harder on the rider and the bicycle...both going uphill and downhill. my 2cents. gb ------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:01:26 -0400 (EDT) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 211 this wed evening 8/14/02 >Well after hearing wonderful things about 211, and not having been out >that way, I'm thinking about going that way tomorrow evening, if anyone is i>nterested drop me a line and I'll coordinate a ride. >I'd like to keep the group reasonably sized, or split into several groups >if it gets that popular. I'm thinking about meeting about 6-7 pm if that >time frame works for people. Jump off point will be from somewhere in >warrenton, as of yet undecided exactly where. >so who's in? >-JD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 08:38:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7ECc8HR014484; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:38:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7ECc7bP014475; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:38:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'jdonovan@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: 211 again.... Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:37:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Oh and one more item... the deer population in around Skyline and 211 in general has skyrocketed over the years. If you are out at dusk, watch out for Bambi.... contrary to popular belief, Bambi will put a hurtin' on ya. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 09:01:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7ED1SHR014862; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:01:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7ED1Rpi014857; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:01:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D5A55F5.6B3FB8@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:07:01 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bruhl, George LT" CC: "'jdonovan@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: 211 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Bruhl, George LT" wrote: > a Bicycle rider once told me that eastern "mountains" are actually graded > steeper than most western climbs & in his experience, were harder on the > rider and the bicycle...both going uphill and downhill. > Heh heh. 1980. A trip down Skyline/Blue Ridge with Milady on the pillion of a `73 Honda 350 I'd bought for $75 and rebuilt from a wreck. Brutal! We camped somewhere along the way to NC and next to us was a young couple on bicycles. They were moaning and groaning, wanted to know where the nearest bike shop was so they could buy smaller sprockets. That was in 10-speed days, and even in granny gear the young buffed pup and pupette couldn't make the hills. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 09:19:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EDJVHR016444; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:19:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EDJUMn016434; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:19:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002a01c24395$f0c7a8c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" , Cc: "DC-CYCLES" References: <000201c2435e$50ead7f0$6401a8c0@cypher> <3D5A4031.15E584F5@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Moose Chain Cleaner? Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:24:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Washington Star! Bill, you're dating yourself. The Star went out of business in the early 80s. :) Getting back to the original question, I have similar chain cleaning tool for the bicycle. Shop rags and the aforementioned newspapers work for me on the motorcycle. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" > > What? Another tool-toy to misplace? This is where the Washington Post & > Washington Star are perfectly unbiased. Both work very well as goober-grimy > catchers under the bike. Used several sections of Sunday's Post when I > changed oil yesterday. Er... didn't need paper when I brushed the dust off > my belt drive. > > Bill > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 09:23:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EDNCHR016608; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:23:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EDNBkf016601; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:23:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D5A5B0D.438128B0@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:28:45 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: rm.curtis@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Moose Chain Cleaner? References: <000201c2435e$50ead7f0$6401a8c0@cypher> <3D5A4031.15E584F5@patriot.net> <002a01c24395$f0c7a8c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > Washington Star! Bill, you're dating yourself. The Star went out of > business in the early 80s. :) Oh yeah, forgot - old timer's desease. It's now the Rev Moon Times, right? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 09:31:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EDVJHR016791; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:31:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EDVIPl016782; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:31:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020814133116.88215.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:31:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: Moose Chain Cleaner? To: "William J. Huson" , Paul Wilson Cc: rm.curtis@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: <3D5A5B0D.438128B0@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was advised to use WD-40 and a tooth brush to clean a motorcycle chain. I've been using that for a while without any problems. It's a bit messy though. I'd be interested to see if this cleaner works well on a motorcycle chain. Nick --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > Washington Star! Bill, you're dating yourself. > The Star went out of > > business in the early 80s. :) > > Oh yeah, forgot - old timer's desease. It's now the > Rev Moon Times, right? > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 09:36:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EDadHR017118; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:36:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EDackW017113; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:36:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Adam Wah" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Luv Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:35:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 13:35:31.0874 (UTC) FILETIME=[7601B020:01C24397] Insert Group Hug Here ---------------- (_|_) From: "Pierre C" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my vfr conditions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:54:52 +0100 Wow, thanks tom, don't worry about paying the bill for it. I apologyze i lost my temper. I am so bad when i get mad. I am sorry to you and to everyone else, i said stuff that i don't think and i don't mean. >From: Tom Gimer >To: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: my vfr conditions >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 09:39:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EDdpHR017275; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:39:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EDdpUK017264; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:39:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [206.11.149.33] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: rm.curtis@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cager performs K-Turn in curve on Joplin Road [long] Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:39:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 13:39:43.0775 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C26BAF0:01C24398] What an asshole! (I'd use the C-word, which I prefer, but don't want to offend anyone) ;-) Don't you just love it when the other person is BLATANTLY WRONG but they feel like they must flick YOU off!? I guess if she'd have killed you she would've stood over your dead body and flicked you off too. If only the idiots killed THEMSELVES in accidents and didn't hurt anyone else... *shaking head* Good quick thinking, glad you're alright! :-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: "Rob Curtis" >Reply-To: >To: "DC-CYCLES" >Subject: Cager performs K-Turn in curve on Joplin Road [long] >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:52:21 -0400 > >So I'm on my new SV, it's just after midnight tonight and I'm cruising >the last part of Joplin Road just after it turns to 25mph before the 95 >ramps. > >Background: I decided at 11pm that I would "break the seal" and kick out >of the 5k rpm break-in limit on Joplin Road. I decided to keep my speed >at "mature" levels mostly because I was scared of whacking Bambi... > >With 490 miles showing, I got off 95 at Quantico and jogged up Joplin. I >counted 8 deer. I was riding very cautiously! Went up got some gas and >turned around to hit Joplin back down to Quantico and head home. > >Now, mind you I was pretty happy to see the magic 5-0-0 roll up and I >dropped two gears and let the tach touch 8k (New Break-In limit till >1000 miles). I'm still cruising at 35, maybe hit 45 out of the turns. > >OK, so as I come into the last 1/2 mile before 95, I come around a >corner and find a headlight on my side of the road. No biggie, I thought >for about a millisecond, thinking it was a car's LEFT headlight. Ahhh, >but then it all snapped in like a brick to the temple. It was the >fucking passenger-side headlight and it was still heading left --right >at me! > >My reaction time was good, err, too good. Before I realized it, my back >wheel was locked and the front was diving like Greg Louganis. Now, this >is where it actually gets interesting... > >She hasn't seen me, my wide open mouth and eyeballs, nor my dual >highbeams. She hasn't heard the marathon explicatives, the nashing of my >teeth or the squeal of sliding rubber. She is still coming over! My >instinct was to break right thinking she'd see me and snap out of >la-la-land and cut back to her lane. Nope. Now I am left with a strip of >pavement 24" wide as she holds her course, no wait now it's 20" wide, >umm 15", oh shit...10", 5", 1".... > >The irony, I'm worried about hitting a deer on the road one second, the >next I am worried about hitting a deer in the woods as my shiny bike >goes MXing into the roadside trough. > >Somehow, I managed to keep it together, about 100 feet further on I see >the trough wall isn't so steep so I heave it over and pop out of the >trough (my first wheelie!) > >I stop and look back and realize this woman is lost. She had Tennessee >plates and was looking for a spot wide enough to do a K-turn and get >back on 95. I don't think she ever saw me until I tried to have her pull >over and she flipped me the bird. Perfect. > >The morale? ->Man! The SV gets to be so much more fun after the 500 mile >break-in! > >Rob Curtis >Senior Photographer >Army Times Publishing Co. >Springfield, VA >http://www.robcurtis.com >__________________ >"To be persuasive, we must be believable. > To be believable, we must be credible. > To be credible, we must be truthful." >Edward R. Murrow _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 09:43:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EDhgHR017441; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:43:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EDhfGw017436; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:43:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01da01c24397$a1c12e70$0e6c52a4@theresa.dc.gov> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Spelling (was: OT; my vfr conditions) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:36:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 >>When I see blatantly incorrect spelling or usage, I >>immediately >>sume the writer is either A) foreign, B) twelve, or C) >> idiot. And, >>yes, sometimes this makes an ass out of you and me (t >>mostly me) -- I >>know many people who for one reason or another don't use proper English in >>email but who are otherwise quite intelligent. The little devil on my shoulder is telling me I should start posting messages strictly in l33t! n0w, w0uLdN't Th@+ 8E 4NNOy1N9! Only kidding... takes WAY too much time! Cheers, Patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 09:48:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EDmhHR017609; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:48:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EDmghv017601; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:48:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D5A6108.F214DA16@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:54:16 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: i'm back! :) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not enough caffiene, and I'm feeling skeptical this morning. So where is the proof you're a girl? How do we know you aren't Chuck in drag? A moonlight skinnydip in the ocean? An event that would have revealed one's true gender. Introductions that included you-show-me-your's-and-I'll-show-you-mine? Pictures included with a notary seal confirming their authenticity. Bill Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > hi everyone! > > just want to let all of you know that i arrived from nags head safely to > baltimore last night ... errr.. morning. > > i was accompianed by our own dc-cycle guys -- Sanath and Ricardo. They had > their fancy GPS's and i was just along for the ride. it was nice riding > except for the many accidents before richmond on saturday morning. it was so > > nice, i took the whole day off yesterday JUST to ride back with them! > > it's very odd --- before riding with Ricardo, he emailed and told me as a > newbie to stay clear of 211 and all he talked about on the trip was me going > to 211. *boggle* im just not sure how well my cute purple cruiser will do > on the twisties! i also heard that i should maybe get a sportbike!? > > at any rate -- its been proven that i am a girl named jenn and im not chuck! > > :) im sure chuck enjoys being chuck --- i just wasnt very interested in > being chuck! > > who's up for a sunday afternoon ride? > > jenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 09:55:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EDtxHR017795; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:55:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EDtx4B017790; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:55:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:55:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcyclist Study (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Fwd'd from a friend... -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:53:38 -0400 Subject: Motorcyclist Study Study: Motorcyclists Who Cut Traffic Jams Are ***Holes New York (SatireWire.com) - According to a new study by a New York University professor, motorcyclists who slice between lanes during traffic jams and refuse to wait in long lines like everyone else are "major dumbfuck assholes" who "deserve to die." The study, conducted by NYU Prof. John Leibling as he drove his car on the Long Island Expressway at rush hour last Monday, relied on a visual sampling of "at least six" motorcyclists who decided normal traffic laws "didn't fucking apply to them," said the survey. "According to my findings, 100 percent of the motorcyclists who rode along the painted lane lines between cars were fucking bastards who have the IQ of cow shit," said Leibling, who eventually missed his flight at the airport. Under the circumstances, the study added, law-abiding automobile owners had every right to flatten these motorcyclists by opening their car doors as the riders attempted to pass, "but no one did, goddamnit." In a related note, the survey also found that those car owners who attempted to cheat ahead by using the emergency lanes were complete total pricks, and that the tractor-trailer driver who eventually veered into the emergency lane to keep those drivers from gaining an edge was a "fucking hero, man." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 10:05:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EE5tHR017996; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:05:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EE5sbv017992; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:05:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020814140552.52238.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:05:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Study (fwd) To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Isn't that legal to do in some states though? I've heard you can do it in DC, but have never tried. --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > Fwd'd from a friend... > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:53:38 -0400 > Subject: Motorcyclist Study > > Study: Motorcyclists Who Cut Traffic Jams Are > ***Holes > New York (SatireWire.com) - According to a new study > by a New York > University professor, motorcyclists who slice > between lanes during traffic > jams and refuse to wait in long lines like everyone > else are "major dumbfuck > assholes" who "deserve to die." > > The study, conducted by NYU Prof. John Leibling as > he drove his car on the > Long Island Expressway at rush hour last Monday, > relied on a visual sampling > of "at least six" motorcyclists who decided normal > traffic laws "didn't > fucking apply to them," said the survey. > > "According to my findings, 100 percent of the > motorcyclists who rode along > the painted lane lines between cars were fucking > bastards who have the IQ of > cow shit," said Leibling, who eventually missed his > flight at the airport. > Under the circumstances, the study added, > law-abiding automobile owners had > every right to flatten these motorcyclists by > opening their car doors as the > riders attempted to pass, "but no one did, > goddamnit." > > In a related note, the survey also found that those > car owners who attempted > to cheat ahead by using the emergency lanes were > complete total pricks, and > that the tractor-trailer driver who eventually > veered into the emergency > lane to keep those drivers from gaining an edge was > a "fucking hero, man." > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 10:15:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EEFEHR018209; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:15:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EEFE3D018202; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:15:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Brad Faas" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Nicholas Thompson Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:12:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Study (fwd) Message-ID: <3D5A2CFE.17698.2EF12C47@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020814140552.52238.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body I'm pretty sure it's not legal in DC - "on paper" anyway (CA is the only state I know where it's expressly permitted). However, I have lane split several times in front of police and have never gotten anything more than a funny look from them. I think that pretty much anything short of hanging an uzi out a window (or having one strapped to your tank - here comes the gun thread) is "legal" in DC. :-) Brad On 14 Aug 2002 at 7:05, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > Isn't that legal to do in some states though? I've > heard you can do it in DC, but have never tried. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 10:20:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EEK6HR018380; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:20:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EEK6OY018375; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:20:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 14 Aug 2002 14:20:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20020814142004.28872.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Motorcyclist Study (fwd) X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) >Isn't that legal to do in some states though? I've >heard you can do it in DC, but have never tried. [Dave] FINALLY! something to (hopefully) drive the final stake through the heart of the silly spell checking flame-fest.... And what better way to do it, than with a 'Lane split' eHoly war ! ;-) It's not "legal" in any local jurisdiction. Report, internet conjecture & rampant speculation is that DC is more tolerant of it. It is looked upon as 'culturally unacceptable' around here among BDC's, probably due to the lack of attention given to driving around here. I don't like 'last minute lane changers' no matter what they drive (the ones that ride all the way past the line for a turn or exit, come to a dead stop in an adjoining lane & try to cut in front of everyone). I make way for lane splitting bikes however... I make the distinction because a motorcyclist has proven his / her superior (to the local BDC's) intelligence, and they most certainly won't delay my trip, whereas BDC's around here will inevitably delay my trip... Dave >--- Wayne Edelen wrote: >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> Study: Motorcyclists Who Cut Traffic Jams Are >> ***Holes >> New York ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 10:35:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EEZMHR018649; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:35:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EEZMZ1018640; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:35:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020814143519.97572.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:35:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Study (fwd) To: Brad Faas , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Nicholas Thompson In-Reply-To: <3D5A2CFE.17698.2EF12C47@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I did it this morning. I will do it again tomorrow. I also passed a cop (accidently) doing it this morning. If he had a problem with it, I did not hang around to find out. That being said, you seem to have the common attitude that DC cops are leinent or lazy to regular law-breakers. Thats 100% wrong and I advise you to be careful, lest you spend a night in a DC lock up. Lots of suburban kids at the bars on a Saturday night find that DC cops DO arrest for peeing in public (just one example). Mark --- Brad Faas wrote: > I'm pretty sure it's not legal in DC - "on paper" > anyway (CA is the only state I know > where it's expressly permitted). However, I have > lane split several times in front of > police and have never gotten anything more than a > funny look from them. > > I think that pretty much anything short of hanging > an uzi out a window (or having > one strapped to your tank - here comes the gun > thread) is "legal" in DC. :-) > > Brad > > > On 14 Aug 2002 at 7:05, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > > > Isn't that legal to do in some states though? > I've > > heard you can do it in DC, but have never tried. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 10:36:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EEavHR018791; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:36:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EEav0Y018787; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:36:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020814143654.25130.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:36:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Luv To: Adam Wah , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sorry, but i need more than a silly hug this time. assume the position.... --- Adam Wah wrote: > Insert Group Hug Here ---------------- (_|_) > > > From: "Pierre C" > To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: my vfr conditions > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:54:52 +0100 > > Wow, thanks tom, don't worry about paying the bill for > it. I apologyze i > lost my temper. I am so bad when i get mad. I am sorry to > you and to > everyone else, i said stuff that i don't think and i > don't mean. > > >From: Tom Gimer > >To: Pierre C , > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: my vfr conditions > >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:43:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are > crunchy and go well with Catsup. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 10:43:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EEhTHR018999; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:43:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EEhScv018990; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:43:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814104146.02455750@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:43:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Study (fwd) In-Reply-To: <3D5A2CFE.17698.2EF12C47@localhost> References: <20020814140552.52238.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed You can generally get away with it in DC, but the VA suburb drivers are pretty anal and aggressive about letting you do it. As for CA - it isn't expressly permitted, it just isn't technically illegal, and most everyone does it. I have heard of cops handing out tickets for it in LA before. At 10:12 AM 8/14/2002, Brad Faas wrote: >I'm pretty sure it's not legal in DC - "on paper" anyway (CA is the only >state I know >where it's expressly permitted). ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 10:44:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EEiKHR019152; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:44:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EEiJfF019143; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:44:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814104335.02329d88@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:44:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Luv In-Reply-To: <20020814143654.25130.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Considering the buttcheek drawing Adam supplied, perhaps you two are on the same wavelength. At 10:36 AM 8/14/2002, you wrote: >sorry, but i need more than a silly hug this time. assume >the position.... > >--- Adam Wah wrote: > > Insert Group Hug Here ---------------- (_|_) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 10:47:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EElHHR019355; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:47:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EElHj3019351; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:47:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020814144704.46677.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:47:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Luv To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814104335.02329d88@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii something is missing from that self-portrait. accordingly, those are adam's tits.... --- Troutman wrote: > Considering the buttcheek drawing Adam supplied, perhaps > you two are on the > same wavelength. > > At 10:36 AM 8/14/2002, you wrote: > >sorry, but i need more than a silly hug this time. > assume > >the position.... > > > >--- Adam Wah wrote: > > > Insert Group Hug Here ---------------- (_|_) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 10:48:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EEm7HR019504; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:48:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EEm6uc019498; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:48:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, mcracer980@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sfdaytona@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Study (fwd) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:46:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 14:46:59.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[71D56000:01C243A1] >That being said, you seem to have the common attitude >that DC cops are leinent or lazy to regular >law-breakers. Thats 100% wrong and I advise you to be >careful, lest you spend a night in a DC lock up. Lots >of suburban kids at the bars on a Saturday night find >that DC cops DO arrest for peeing in public (just one >example). >Mark I think it's less that DC Cops are lenient and much more that they are selective about what they enforce. On one day seat belt infractions or running a yellow light is a major crime, the next day they couldn't care less. I assume the same goes for lane splitting. Although I have done it on occasion (especially lately in this heat). Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 10:52:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EEqMHR019718; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:52:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EEqMQW019713; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:52:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.2.20020814104436.03a0d860@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:52:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Moose Chain Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <20020814133116.88215.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3D5A5B0D.438128B0@patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:31 AM 8/14/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I was advised to use WD-40 and a tooth brush to clean >a motorcycle chain. I've been using that for a while >without any problems. It's a bit messy though. I'd be >interested to see if this cleaner works well on a >motorcycle chain. Oh NO... not the WD40 thread!!! WD40 is a penetrating oil, intended to keep water out of things, not really a lubricant although it is sold that way. It will tend to move grit and grime around, rather than actually removing it. It also may eat into any rubber o-rings, which may not help the longevity of o-ring chains. I've used Citrus Chain de-greaser and have had good luck. Also, you can find chain cleaning brushes from Park Tools and such at bicycle shops... they don't fit over the chain like the previously mentioned tool, but also don't have moving parts that will break. Here's the de-greaser stuff: http://www.pedros.com/productoranjpeelz.html -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 10:55:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EEtgHR019906; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:55:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EEtf9h019895; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:55:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200208141455.g7EEtelv019878@dirty.meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: i'm back! :) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:54:16 EDT." <3D5A6108.F214DA16@XXXXXX> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <19876.1029336940.1@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:55:40 -0400 From: harry@XXXXXX >Not enough caffiene, and I'm feeling skeptical this morning. So where is the >proof you're a girl? For those demanding a picture of Jenn proving that she's a girl, I've posted one here: http://www.dc-cycles.org/~harry/jen.jpg There, that should clear up any ambiguity once and for all. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 10:59:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EExrHR020104; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:59:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EExqWc020099; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:59:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:03:00 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: harry@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: i'm back! :) In-Reply-To: <200208141455.g7EEtelv019878@dirty.meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > http://www.dc-cycles.org/~harry/jen.jpg > > There, that should clear up any ambiguity once and for all. > -harry Harry, I think you should take this test and see how you do. http://www.b3ta.com/femaleorshemale/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:01:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EF19HR020282; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:01:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EF19Wi020276; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:01:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00b801c243a4$253c46c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Study (fwd) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:05:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Washington" > > I think it's less that DC Cops are lenient and much more that they are > selective about what they enforce. Some of that selectivity you mention depends on which of the myriad police agencies you're talking about and where in the city you're talking about. What goes downtown, in Dupont or on U Street may not wash in Palisades or Cleveland Park, where there are lots well-heeled "concerned citizens" always harassing the cops about marauding drivers. Same goes for places like Rock Creek Park, where the Park Police do a lot of traffic enforcement. My experience is that, for the MPD at least, traffic enforcement is way down the totem pole. Speaking of enforcement, the Arlington cops were doing revenue duty on 66, at 6:45 on Sunday morning. They had two cruisers in the breakdown lane, on the right hand side, just beyond the Glebe Road/Ballston exit. One of the officers was running hand-held radar. Fortunately, I was riding at a sedate pace as I made my way to MSF at Loudoun. Have to set a good example for the students and all. ;-) Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:01:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EF1gHR020435; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:01:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EF1gq2020431; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:01:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814110110.00b85c58@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:01:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: i'm back! :) In-Reply-To: <200208141455.g7EEtelv019878@dirty.meretrix.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:55 AM 8/14/2002 -0400, harry@XXXXXX wrote: > >Not enough caffiene, and I'm feeling skeptical this morning. So where > is the > >proof you're a girl? > >For those demanding a picture of Jenn proving that she's a girl, >I've posted one here: > > http://www.dc-cycles.org/~harry/jen.jpg > >There, that should clear up any ambiguity once and for all. >-harry eyyyaaahhh!!! MY EYES MY EYES!!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:04:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EF4tHR020608; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:04:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EF4tWp020601; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:04:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:04:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Moose Chain Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.2.20020814104436.03a0d860@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Dan Brown wrote: > Oh NO... not the WD40 thread!!! WD40 is a penetrating oil, intended > to keep water out of things, not really a lubricant although it is > sold that way. It will tend to move grit and grime around, rather > than actually removing it. It also may eat into any rubber o-rings, > which may not help the longevity of o-ring chains. I use WD40 to clean my chain, then I use PJ chain wax to lube it. WD40 is safe for rubber, as well as plastic and painted surfaces. Where do you get the information that it 'may eat into rubber o-rings'? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:07:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EF79HR020784; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:07:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EF7821020780; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:07:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00e401c243a4$fafbd1e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "Dan Brown" References: <3D5A5B0D.438128B0@patriot.net> <5.0.1.4.2.20020814104436.03a0d860@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> Subject: Re: Moose Chain Cleaner? Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:11:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Pedro's is good stuff and makes a good general environmentally friendly de-greaser. Spray on, wipe off. It removed all the oily spooge from the concrete in front of my house when I changed my fork oil. Easy to clean up too. I've used it on pushbikes and motorbikes. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Brown" > > I've used Citrus Chain de-greaser and have had good luck. Also, > you can find chain cleaning brushes from Park Tools and such at > bicycle shops... they don't fit over the chain like the previously > mentioned tool, but also don't have moving parts that will break. > > Here's the de-greaser stuff: http://www.pedros.com/productoranjpeelz.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:09:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EF9JHR020993; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:09:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EF9I3p020984; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:09:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: "dan" , Cc: Subject: RE: i'm back! :) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:51:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Thank you for the quiz, I got 14 out of 16 correct, but it is a hard test. As for the harry pic (haha), I don't think so. If it is, it is an old pic. Scott (Mongo) -----Original Message----- From: dan [mailto:dan@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:03 AM To: harry@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: i'm back! :) > http://www.dc-cycles.org/~harry/jen.jpg > > There, that should clear up any ambiguity once and for all. > -harry Harry, I think you should take this test and see how you do. http://www.b3ta.com/femaleorshemale/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:11:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EFBRHR021171; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:11:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EFBR8h021165; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:11:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:11:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Brake Bulb Filaments Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII All, Is anyone familiar with the bulbs in GS500 brake lights? I guess I'm just too green to figure out what's wrong with my brake lights. There are two filaments in each bulb -- a tight spiral filament, and a straight filament in what looks to be two sections. When the ignition is on, the straight filament is lit... and there's no change when I apply the brakes. The spiral filament never lights. So -- which filament _should_ be lit under braking and non-braking conditions? Do I need to figure out why the light thinks the bike is always braking, or just replace the damn bulbs? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:13:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EFDrHR021350; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:13:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EFDrLM021343; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:13:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004701c243a5$555fc600$6401a8c0@XP1> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: <3D5A5B0D.438128B0@patriot.net> <5.0.1.4.2.20020814104436.03a0d860@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> Subject: Re: Moose Chain Cleaner? Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:14:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 >From the citrus cleaner website: "Use caution using Oranj Peelz around plastic and rubber." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Brown" > At 06:31 AM 8/14/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >I was advised to use WD-40 and a tooth brush to clean > >a motorcycle chain. I've been using that for a while > >without any problems. It's a bit messy though. I'd be > >interested to see if this cleaner works well on a > >motorcycle chain. > > > Oh NO... not the WD40 thread!!! WD40 is a penetrating oil, intended > to keep water out of things, not really a lubricant although it is > sold that way. It will tend to move grit and grime around, rather > than actually removing it. It also may eat into any rubber o-rings, > which may not help the longevity of o-ring chains. > > I've used Citrus Chain de-greaser and have had good luck. Also, > you can find chain cleaning brushes from Park Tools and such at > bicycle shops... they don't fit over the chain like the previously > mentioned tool, but also don't have moving parts that will break. > > Here's the de-greaser stuff: http://www.pedros.com/productoranjpeelz.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:16:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EFGpHR021523; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:16:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EFGpmd021516; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:16:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: fish@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake Bulb Filaments Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:16:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 15:16:43.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[98F23470:01C243A5] >Do I need to figure out why the light thinks the bike is >always braking, or just replace the damn bulbs? > >Fish. Just replace the bulb, you've got a bad filament. Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:16:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EFGsHR021557; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:16:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EFGrx6021551; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:16:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004d01c243a5$c592eb00$6401a8c0@XP1> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Brake Bulb Filaments Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:17:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 One filament is for the running lights, the dimmer straight one. The other is for the brake lights, the brighter spiral one. Just replace the damn bulbs. (Although there might be another problem, the bulbs are a good place to start.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" > All, > > Is anyone familiar with the bulbs in GS500 brake lights? I guess I'm just > too green to figure out what's wrong with my brake lights. There are two > filaments in each bulb -- a tight spiral filament, and a straight filament > in what looks to be two sections. When the ignition is on, the straight > filament is lit... and there's no change when I apply the brakes. The > spiral filament never lights. > > So -- which filament _should_ be lit under braking and non-braking > conditions? Do I need to figure out why the light thinks the bike is > always braking, or just replace the damn bulbs? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:17:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EFHeHR021812; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:17:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EFHdmc021808; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:17:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F6CF@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Moose Chain Cleaner? Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:18:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was cleaning my chain w/ brake cleaner, we all know the state of that chain. Would this have anything to do with it? -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:11 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Dan Brown Subject: Re: Moose Chain Cleaner? Pedro's is good stuff and makes a good general environmentally friendly de-greaser. Spray on, wipe off. It removed all the oily spooge from the concrete in front of my house when I changed my fork oil. Easy to clean up too. I've used it on pushbikes and motorbikes. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Brown" > > I've used Citrus Chain de-greaser and have had good luck. Also, > you can find chain cleaning brushes from Park Tools and such at > bicycle shops... they don't fit over the chain like the previously > mentioned tool, but also don't have moving parts that will break. > > Here's the de-greaser stuff: http://www.pedros.com/productoranjpeelz.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:20:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EFKJHR021976; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:20:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EFKIS5021966; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:20:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814111411.00b9c200@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:20:11 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Brake Bulb Filaments In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:11 AM 8/14/2002 -0500, Fish Flowers wrote: >All, > >Is anyone familiar with the bulbs in GS500 brake lights? I guess I'm just >too green to figure out what's wrong with my brake lights. There are two >filaments in each bulb -- a tight spiral filament, and a straight filament >in what looks to be two sections. When the ignition is on, the straight >filament is lit... and there's no change when I apply the brakes. The >spiral filament never lights. > >So -- which filament _should_ be lit under braking and non-braking >conditions? Do I need to figure out why the light thinks the bike is >always braking, or just replace the damn bulbs? > >Fish. Bulbs are cheap. It's probably a dual filament bulb with one element for running lights, (the one you see always on), and the other comes on along with the running filament when you hit the brakes. Sounds to me like the brake light filament is burnt out. I recommend changing the bulb first. Simple solutions for simple problems I always say. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:21:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EFLDHR022148; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:21:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EFLDWa022143; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:21:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:21:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Brake Bulb Filaments In-Reply-To: <004d01c243a5$c592eb00$6401a8c0@XP1> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Bruce Norton wrote: > One filament is for the running lights, the dimmer straight one. The > other is for the brake lights, the brighter spiral one. > > Just replace the damn bulbs. (Although there might be another problem, > the bulbs are a good place to start.) Excellent. Fantastic, even. Just what I wanted to hear! (Wrenching is not my specialty; I managed to give myself a brutal scrape yesterday while tinkering, which is already infected. Feh.) OK, so now... where does one go to buy new bulbs? Somehow I doubt the local Pepboys has them. Or do they? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:24:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EFO2HR022332; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:24:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EFO1up022328; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:24:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:23:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Moose Chain Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F6CF@SERVER1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Rich Hall wrote: > I was cleaning my chain w/ brake cleaner, we all know the state of that > chain. Would this have anything to do with it? Yikes! Brake Clean (kleen, etc) is nasty stuff. It disolves the rubber gloves I wear when working on my cars and motorcycle. I wouldn't use it to clean my chain :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:24:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EFOlHR022479; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:24:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EFOkgA022475; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:24:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020814152444.85082.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:24:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: Brake Bulb Filaments To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Usually brake light bulbs are 1157 bulbs. If you have an 1156 bulb in an 1157 socket, it will always light up as soon as voltage is applied to the bulb (I'm almost certain of this). I could be wrong, but I would definitely check to make sure the correct bulb is installed. Nick Thompson --- Fish Flowers wrote: > All, > > Is anyone familiar with the bulbs in GS500 brake > lights? I guess I'm just > too green to figure out what's wrong with my brake > lights. There are two > filaments in each bulb -- a tight spiral filament, > and a straight filament > in what looks to be two sections. When the ignition > is on, the straight > filament is lit... and there's no change when I > apply the brakes. The > spiral filament never lights. > > So -- which filament _should_ be lit under braking > and non-braking > conditions? Do I need to figure out why the light > thinks the bike is > always braking, or just replace the damn bulbs? > > Fish. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:25:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EFPhHR022635; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:25:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EFPgY3022626; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:25:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814112438.00b84e68@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:25:34 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Brake Bulb Filaments In-Reply-To: References: <004d01c243a5$c592eb00$6401a8c0@XP1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:21 AM 8/14/2002 -0500, Fish Flowers wrote: >On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Bruce Norton wrote: > > > One filament is for the running lights, the dimmer straight one. The > > other is for the brake lights, the brighter spiral one. > > > > Just replace the damn bulbs. (Although there might be another problem, > > the bulbs are a good place to start.) > >Excellent. Fantastic, even. Just what I wanted to hear! (Wrenching is not >my specialty; I managed to give myself a brutal scrape yesterday while >tinkering, which is already infected. Feh.) > >OK, so now... where does one go to buy new bulbs? Somehow I doubt the >local Pepboys has them. Or do they? > >Fish. they may, a lot of auto bulbs are interchangable with bike bulbs. Just have them cross ref the bulb number (bring it along with you). If they do have it, I can guarantee you that it will be A LOT cheaper than the same bulb at a cycle shop. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:32:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EFWsHR022944; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:32:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EFWsjV022939; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:32:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [134.113.4.168] From: "Paul Hutchins" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Moose Chain Cleaner? Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:31:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 15:31:48.0454 (UTC) FILETIME=[B45F5060:01C243A7] Next to the throttle rocker, it's the best "under $20" item I've bought for the VFR (530 chain). It's also pretty trick when it comes to applying the spray lube (eliminates overspray). I should have bought one 27,000 miles ago... >From: "Rob Curtis" >Reply-To: >To: "DC-CYCLES" >Subject: Moose Chain Cleaner? >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:46:27 -0400 > >Anyone have any experience with a moose chain cleaner? Saw it on Dennis >Kirk. Looks just like a bigger version of the kind I used to use to >clean the chain on my mountain bike. Ya dump some cleaner in it, slap it >shut around the chain and the bristles inside scrub the chain as you >spin the wheel. > >Worked well on my bicycle... Wondering if anyone has used one on a 520 >though? I'm mainly interested in it because if it works, it might keep >me from dumping dirty kerosene all over my driveway. > >Rob Curtis >Senior Photographer >Army Times Publishing Co. >Springfield, VA >http://www.robcurtis.com >__________________ >"To be persuasive, we must be believable. > To be believable, we must be credible. > To be credible, we must be truthful." >Edward R. Murrow _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:37:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EFbiHR023189; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:37:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EFbhM9023179; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:37:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: i'm back! :) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:37:50 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 15:36:39.0083 (UTC) FILETIME=[6199C7B0:01C243A8] i was accompianed by our own dc-cycle guys -- Sanath and Ricardo. They had their fancy GPS's and i was just along for the ride. it was nice riding except for the many accidents before richmond on saturday morning. it was so - Unfortunatly, we took WAY too many highways. That was boring. Next time, we will have to plan a good route, avoiding i95 and 64. it's very odd --- before riding with Ricardo, he emailed and told me as a newbie to stay clear of 211 and all he talked about on the trip was me going to 211. *boggle* im just not sure how well my cute purple cruiser will do on the twisties! i also heard that i should maybe get a sportbike!? - 211 is just a road. If you ride it like a normal road, its as beginner friendly as any other road. Just because there are some dorks who ride it at ultra illegal speeds, it does not mean you have to. who's up for a sunday afternoon ride? - 211? Ricardo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:40:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EFeNHR023381; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:40:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EFeN6b023375; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:40:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:40:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: NOVA Go Kart Tracks? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop-Detect: 1 Hmm... A while back there was a discussion of NOVA Go Karting, and I alas didn't preserve the information on where the track(s) are. A search in the archives (Kart, 'Go Kart', 'Go-Kart') didn't turn up anything specific. (??) So, if anyone here has any clues/ideas/whatnot on NOVA (Or at least DC-Local) Go Karting I'd appreciate it! OBDCCycles: A while back I asked about finding #35 chain locally, for an ancient minibike (See!?!! Two wheels!!!). Turns out any lawn equipment repair type place will have it. Thanks for the helpful suggestions. TIA, Pete. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:40:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EFeiHR023562; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:40:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EFeiIM023557; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:40:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:42:35 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Study (fwd) Message-ID: <1CF0D235.4B7EFBB2.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thats news to me... i thought lane spliting was legal in CA. You cant split lanes over 35mph. But I see bikes do it all day in front of cops(CHIPS) and dont get ticketed. In a message dated Wed, 14 Aug 2002 9:43:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > You can generally get away with it in DC, but the VA suburb drivers are > pretty anal and aggressive about letting you do it. As for CA - it isn't > expressly permitted, it just isn't technically illegal, and most everyone > does it. I have heard of cops handing out tickets for it in LA before. > > At 10:12 AM 8/14/2002, Brad Faas wrote: > >I'm pretty sure it's not legal in DC - "on paper" anyway > (CA is the only > >state I know > >where it's expressly permitted). > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:42:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EFgGHR024172; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:42:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EFgGCa024167; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:42:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D5A7BA6.DB014AA9@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:47:50 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Brake Bulb Filaments References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > OK, so now... where does one go to buy new bulbs? Somehow I doubt the > local Pepboys has them. Or do they? > > Fish. Yep, Pep Boys, TRAK, and even the auto dept in a drugstore should have the bulbs. Remove bulb, read the number on same, buy repalcement, insert new bulb. Probably an 1157, the universal twin-filiment taillight/brakelight bulb. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:45:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EFjBHR024386; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:45:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EFj83b024367; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:45:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D5A7C53.5784D419@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:50:43 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Moose Chain Cleaner? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Rich Hall wrote: > > > I was cleaning my chain w/ brake cleaner, we all know the state of that > > chain. Would this have anything to do with it? > > Yikes! Brake Clean (kleen, etc) is nasty stuff. It disolves the rubber > gloves I wear when working on my cars and motorcycle. I wouldn't use it > to clean my chain :-) Wayne is 100% correct - YIKES! Also stay away from carb cleaners. I use that to clean baked on oil leaks stains on my Harley engine, but never on pastic/runbber, or painted surfaces. Chains, what a PITA. Pardon, I'm gonna step outside and kiss my belt drive. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 11:49:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EFnYHR024681; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:49:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EFnXaK024676; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:49:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:49:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NOVA Go Kart Tracks? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Peter Hartzler wrote: > So, if anyone here has any clues/ideas/whatnot on NOVA (Or at least > DC-Local) Go Karting I'd appreciate it! I generally go to http://www.allsportsgp.com/ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:00:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EG0uHR025183; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:00:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EG0uIQ025178; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:00:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVatGXCsZXQ4b681K/1/5CF4usJPsfydPgvXtRNqKuTf2+vRl/dGP6ukMxBnprhQPN4= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Moose Chain Cleaner? Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:00:52 -0400 Message-ID: <005501c243ab$c4ad1020$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <3D5A7C53.5784D419@patriot.net> Importance: Normal And like lubing a chain, don't attempt this while bike on centerstand, in gear, and running. >>>>>>>>>>William J. Huson wrote: > Chains, what a PITA. Pardon, I'm gonna step outside and kiss my belt drive. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:02:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EG2WHR025585; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:02:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EG2VGZ025578; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:02:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: STmaven@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Study (fwd) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:59:44 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <1CF0D235.4B7EFBB2.001912B6@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1CF0D235.4B7EFBB2.001912B6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208141159443H.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/answers.html Can motorcycle riders "split" lanes and ride between other vehicles? Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible but must be done in a save and prudent manner. Carl On Wednesday 14 August 2002 11:42, STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: > Thats news to me... i thought lane spliting was legal in CA. You cant split > lanes over 35mph. But I see bikes do it all day in front of cops(CHIPS) and > dont get ticketed. > > In a message dated Wed, 14 Aug 2002 9:43:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > You can generally get away with it in DC, but the VA suburb drivers are > > pretty anal and aggressive about letting you do it. As for CA - it isn't > > expressly permitted, it just isn't technically illegal, and most everyone > > does it. I have heard of cops handing out tickets for it in LA before. > > > > At 10:12 AM 8/14/2002, Brad Faas wrote: > > >I'm pretty sure it's not legal in DC - "on paper" anyway > > > > (CA is the only > > > > >state I know > > >where it's expressly permitted). > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:03:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EG3NHR025969; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:03:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EG3Neg025963; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:03:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008501c243ac$40177430$6401a8c0@XP1> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Moose Chain Cleaner? Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:04:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 FALSE! I quote from the label on a can of Pro Honda HP Chain Lube: "Thoroughly clean the chain using Pro Honda Contact/Brake Cleaner or another O-ring safe solvent." Not all brake cleaners are unsafe. Your gloves are not rubber, they are probably latex. Chain O-rings are not rubber, they are most likely polymers or some kind of nitrile or mysterious form of "plastic". Almost nothing is real rubber any more. Stop listening to rumor and innuendo and start reading the labels on the products you use. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" > Yikes! Brake Clean (kleen, etc) is nasty stuff. It disolves the rubber > gloves I wear when working on my cars and motorcycle. I wouldn't use it > to clean my chain :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:07:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EG75HR026383; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:07:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EG74DC026375; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:07:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa2a/U7xIFruOBt2oIQTom7g/dylnV0Kx8RcaIa69Bs88gP4NulOm52j6CN4LSY+4E= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Moose Chain Cleaner? Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:07:01 -0400 Message-ID: <005c01c243ac$a0930220$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <008501c243ac$40177430$6401a8c0@XP1> Importance: Normal Where's the WHAP-WHAP-WHAP-WHAP-WHAP-WHAP of the rolled up newspaper? I'm going to go hide under the coffee table and wet the rug. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Norton FALSE! I quote from the label on a can of Pro Honda HP Chain Lube: "Thoroughly clean the chain using Pro Honda Contact/Brake Cleaner or another O-ring safe solvent." Not all brake cleaners are unsafe. Your gloves are not rubber, they are probably latex. Chain O-rings are not rubber, they are most likely polymers or some kind of nitrile or mysterious form of "plastic". Almost nothing is real rubber any more. Stop listening to rumor and innuendo and start reading the labels on the products you use. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" > Yikes! Brake Clean (kleen, etc) is nasty stuff. It disolves the rubber > gloves I wear when working on my cars and motorcycle. I wouldn't use it > to clean my chain :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:12:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EGCoHR026835; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:12:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EGCnEZ026829; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:12:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dcsportbikeriders@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dodgecitymobrydaz@XXXXXX, roadrunnaz@XXXXXX Subject: (fwd) Motorcycle Club Double Lyte Posse MC doing BIG things... Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:24:14 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7EGCmHR026817 On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:23:33 -0000, "ssiixx_6" wrote: >REMINDER!!! REMINDER!!! REMINDER!!! REMINDER!!! > >As you all know, on Wednesday, August 8, 2002, Destiny >Wright, a 6 year old girl was kidnapped, raped and >killed. > >Double Lyte will ride to the 800 block of Westmoreland >St. in Kensington, Destiny's home, and present a check >to the family to cover funeral costs! > >If you'd like to join us, ALL PHILLY / JERSEY CLUBS ARE >WELCOME! > >Please meet at Roy's, 1410 W. Hunting Park Ave. (Broad >St. & Hunting Park) on WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 14, 2002 at >8:00 PM! We will be leaving at 8:30 PM SHARP! > >I hope to see Philly / Jersey in FULL FORCE! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:15:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EGF8HR027259; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:15:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EGF8k2027254; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:15:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:15:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Moose Chain Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <008501c243ac$40177430$6401a8c0@XP1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Bruce Norton wrote: > FALSE! > > I quote from the label on a can of Pro Honda HP Chain Lube: > > "Thoroughly clean the chain using Pro Honda Contact/Brake Cleaner or another > O-ring safe solvent." > > Not all brake cleaners are unsafe. Your gloves are not rubber, they are > probably latex. Chain O-rings are not rubber, they are most likely polymers > or some kind of nitrile or mysterious form of "plastic". Almost nothing is > real rubber any more. > > Stop listening to rumor and innuendo and start reading the labels on the > products you use. Settle down, Beavis. :-) No, they are not latex gloves (but thanks for the speculation to go with with my rumor and innuendo!). Honda may make a rubber/plastic safe brake cleaner, but the stuff you pick up from the local auto parts store is not safe for rubber/plastic. Bruce, one suggestion - DECAF. 8-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:20:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EGKMHR027725; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:20:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EGKMEK027718; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:20:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a101c243ae$979351a0$6401a8c0@XP1> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Moose Chain Cleaner? Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:21:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Just because I type in a clear and direct manner doesn't mean I'm pissed or flaming. And you STILL need to read the label on the can. Are you sure that EVERY type of contact/brake cleaner sold in your local store is O-ring unsafe? Decaf? No way! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" > Settle down, Beavis. :-) > > No, they are not latex gloves (but thanks for the speculation to go with > with my rumor and innuendo!). Honda may make a rubber/plastic safe brake > cleaner, but the stuff you pick up from the local auto parts store is not > safe for rubber/plastic. > > Bruce, one suggestion - DECAF. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:24:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EGOiHR028127; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:24:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EGOhRU028123; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:24:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Andrew Maddox Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Spelling (was: OT; my vfr conditions) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:36:08 -0400 Message-ID: References: <3D5A4354.6B9D783C@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7EGOgHR028111 The two words that get me wondering about a person... when it they use the wrong selection between "know" and "no". "know you didn't pass me" and "you no i'm better than you in the curves".. but even worse when they mistake curb for curve.. "bwoy you can't see me in the curb" "we hit the curbs and who was out front" .. "you can't lean as hard as me in the curb" uhm if you hit hte curb you probably wrekced dude. Danny typos allowed in places above. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:31:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EGVqHR028560; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:31:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EGVpnx028551; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:31:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Study (fwd) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:43:16 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7EGVoHR028539 complete and utter bullcrap. 1. a person doesn't have the right to open a car door to injure a motorcyclist regardless if he is breaking a traffic law or not. 2. The survey is not scientific 3. the tractor trailer could have held up emergency vehicles and causing someone to die without the proper aid arriving on time. 4. this may not even be a true story.. just someone's imagination wantng to get all over the internet. therefore I request that this garbage not be forwarded, for hte fear that some dumb cager may think he has the right to open the door on a filtering motorcylist. Danny On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:55:54 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >Fwd'd from a friend... > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:53:38 -0400 >Subject: Motorcyclist Study > >Study: Motorcyclists Who Cut Traffic Jams Are ***Holes >New York (SatireWire.com) - According to a new study by a New York >University professor, motorcyclists who slice between lanes during traffic >jams and refuse to wait in long lines like everyone else are "major dumbfuck >assholes" who "deserve to die." > >The study, conducted by NYU Prof. John Leibling as he drove his car on the >Long Island Expressway at rush hour last Monday, relied on a visual sampling >of "at least six" motorcyclists who decided normal traffic laws "didn't >fucking apply to them," said the survey. > >"According to my findings, 100 percent of the motorcyclists who rode along >the painted lane lines between cars were fucking bastards who have the IQ of >cow shit," said Leibling, who eventually missed his flight at the airport. >Under the circumstances, the study added, law-abiding automobile owners had >every right to flatten these motorcyclists by opening their car doors as the >riders attempted to pass, "but no one did, goddamnit." > >In a related note, the survey also found that those car owners who attempted >to cheat ahead by using the emergency lanes were complete total pricks, and >that the tractor-trailer driver who eventually veered into the emergency >lane to keep those drivers from gaining an edge was a "fucking hero, man." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:32:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EGWxHR028950; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:32:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EGWxwI028941; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:32:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Nicholas Thompson Cc: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Study (fwd) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:44:23 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020814140552.52238.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020814140552.52238.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7EGWvHR028924 Some of us do it all the time. I dont' do it around police officers as a sign of respect though... well with a few exceptions. On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:05:52 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >Isn't that legal to do in some states though? I've >heard you can do it in DC, but have never tried. > > > >--- Wayne Edelen wrote: >> Fwd'd from a friend... >> >> -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:53:38 -0400 >> Subject: Motorcyclist Study >> >> Study: Motorcyclists Who Cut Traffic Jams Are >> ***Holes >> New York (SatireWire.com) - According to a new study >> by a New York >> University professor, motorcyclists who slice >> between lanes during traffic >> jams and refuse to wait in long lines like everyone >> else are "major dumbfuck >> assholes" who "deserve to die." >> >> The study, conducted by NYU Prof. John Leibling as >> he drove his car on the >> Long Island Expressway at rush hour last Monday, >> relied on a visual sampling >> of "at least six" motorcyclists who decided normal >> traffic laws "didn't >> fucking apply to them," said the survey. >> >> "According to my findings, 100 percent of the >> motorcyclists who rode along >> the painted lane lines between cars were fucking >> bastards who have the IQ of >> cow shit," said Leibling, who eventually missed his >> flight at the airport. >> Under the circumstances, the study added, >> law-abiding automobile owners had >> every right to flatten these motorcyclists by >> opening their car doors as the >> riders attempted to pass, "but no one did, >> goddamnit." >> >> In a related note, the survey also found that those >> car owners who attempted >> to cheat ahead by using the emergency lanes were >> complete total pricks, and >> that the tractor-trailer driver who eventually >> veered into the emergency >> lane to keep those drivers from gaining an edge was >> a "fucking hero, man." >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:37:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EGbbHR029353; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:37:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EGbbi2029348; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:37:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:34:54 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: harry@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: i'm back! :) Message-ID: <56578779.264ECE6F.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Waitaminute. That still doesn't prove she's a she. Just that she's not Chuck. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Wed, 14 Aug 2002 9:55:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, harry@XXXXXX writes: > > > >Not enough caffiene, and I'm feeling skeptical this morning. So where is the > >proof you're a girl? > > For those demanding a picture of Jenn proving that she's a > girl, > I've posted one here: > > http://www.dc-cycles.org/~harry/jen.jpg > > There, that should clear up any ambiguity once and for all. > -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:39:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EGd8HR029752; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:39:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EGd7YI029741; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:39:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01f601c243b1$d3ed1e80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Moose Chain Cleaner? Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:43:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Bruce Norton wrote: > > > FALSE! > > > > I quote from the label on a can of Pro Honda HP Chain Lube: > > > > "Thoroughly clean the chain using Pro Honda Contact/Brake Cleaner or another > > O-ring safe solvent." > > On the subject of reading labels, I'd be shocked if the brake cleaners available at the local Trash Auto or Perp Boys have anything to say about "O-rings" on the label. :) The non-chlorinated ones are probably safer for the plastic and "rubber" bits. And this is strictly my opinion, but I don't put much stock what the bike or expensive lube manufacturers say on the subject of cleaning, because they don't make chains. The lube guys probably love brake cleaner because that stuff evaporates in a heartbeat, so as not to interfere with the new lube application by partially dissolving it, like kerosene, WD-40, etc. might. The last time I changed as chain, I took at look at the box the top'o'the line DID X-Ring came in. They say clean with kerosene and lube with good old fashioned 80-90W Gear Oil! That stuff's about a dollar a quart. FWIW, the ScottOil that came with my ScottOiler looks awfully similar to 80-90W in terms of viscosity. As for cleaning, how I like to have the engine running, bike in gear and drizzle gasoline on the chain, then dragging a shop rag along the moving chain, whilst taking a nice long drag off a cigarette. Perhaps that explains why my nickname is Lefty and I have no eyebrows. And now off the corner, to write "I will not post of lube threads...I will not post of lube threads" 500 times. :) YCLMV Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F PS: The cleaning method outlined above is neither OSHA-approved nor intended for the humor-impaired. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:39:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EGdoHR030135; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:39:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EGdonY030128; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:39:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:35:51 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dan@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: i'm back! :) Message-ID: <27B72E9B.3AFFF720.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I got a 12 outta 16. So hard to tell nowadays. Where's Maury when you need him? ;-) Scooter In a message dated Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:03:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, dan@XXXXXX writes: > > > > http://www.dc-cycles.org/~harry/jen.jpg > > > > There, that should clear up any ambiguity once and for > all. > > -harry > > Harry, > > I think you should take this test and see how you do. > > http://www.b3ta.com/femaleorshemale/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:40:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EGeaHR030542; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:40:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EGeZfi030533; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:40:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Attitudes of DC cops Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:52:01 -0400 Message-ID: <982llu4cfb1m3mmou3laj5rpq8moumk2jr@4ax.com> References: <3D5A2CFE.17698.2EF12C47@localhost> <20020814143519.97572.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020814143519.97572.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7EGeYHR030516 I regularly chat with DC cops down at howard mcdonalds... they are pretty non schelant Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EGf4HR030818; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:41:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EGf3xQ030812; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:41:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:40:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Study From: Stephen Miller To: Motor PsychoL Danny , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Um, I'm pretty sure it was a joke, like an Onion-type article. Notice the link says "satirewire.com" on 8/14/02 12:43 PM, Motor PsychoL Danny at motorcycle@XXXXXX wrote: > complete and utter bullcrap. > > 1. a person doesn't have the right to open a car door to injure a > motorcyclist regardless if he is breaking a traffic law or not. > 2. The survey is not scientific > 3. the tractor trailer could have held up emergency vehicles and > causing someone to die without the proper aid arriving on time. > 4. this may not even be a true story.. just someone's imagination > wantng to get all over the internet. > > therefore I request that this garbage not be forwarded, for hte fear > that some dumb cager may think he has the right to open the door on a > filtering motorcylist. > > > Danny > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:55:54 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > >> Fwd'd from a friend... >> >> -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:53:38 -0400 >> Subject: Motorcyclist Study >> >> Study: Motorcyclists Who Cut Traffic Jams Are ***Holes >> New York (SatireWire.com) - According to a new study by a New York >> University professor, motorcyclists who slice between lanes during traffic >> jams and refuse to wait in long lines like everyone else are "major dumbfuck >> assholes" who "deserve to die." >> >> The study, conducted by NYU Prof. John Leibling as he drove his car on the >> Long Island Expressway at rush hour last Monday, relied on a visual sampling >> of "at least six" motorcyclists who decided normal traffic laws "didn't >> fucking apply to them," said the survey. >> >> "According to my findings, 100 percent of the motorcyclists who rode along >> the painted lane lines between cars were fucking bastards who have the IQ of >> cow shit," said Leibling, who eventually missed his flight at the airport. >> Under the circumstances, the study added, law-abiding automobile owners had >> every right to flatten these motorcyclists by opening their car doors as the >> riders attempted to pass, "but no one did, goddamnit." >> >> In a related note, the survey also found that those car owners who attempted >> to cheat ahead by using the emergency lanes were complete total pricks, and >> that the tractor-trailer driver who eventually veered into the emergency >> lane to keep those drivers from gaining an edge was a "fucking hero, man." > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:43:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EGhHHR031545; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:43:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EGhEOv031532; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:43:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: sdave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: lane splitting Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:54:39 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020814142004.28872.qmail@server445.gisol.com> In-Reply-To: <20020814142004.28872.qmail@server445.gisol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7EGhDHR031515 I dont' even travel in VA too much, but i've seen people filter a little. I filter pretty frequently in PG county.. but not in montgomery county so much.. I just want it to be accepted everywhere so i try to do it.. plus it's convienient. plus they get a look at my pretty and shiny bike... most people under 35 can appreciate that. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:46:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EGkwHR032048; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:46:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EGkvw4032039; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:46:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: Subject: re: speed traps Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:58:22 -0400 Message-ID: References: <00b801c243a4$253c46c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <00b801c243a4$253c46c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7EGkuHR032027 Latey, a few times i've had to venture into DC around rush hour, coming down 295 South as it breaks off to kennelworth ave / 50 i've found park police set up doing radar on the 50 side of the split , before you get on 50. I usually see them and stick behind other cars so tehy can't aim at me. They look at me as I go past, and I wave. They usually keep about 4 cars pulled over, so a group of 6,7 cars up ahead on teh shoulder really catch my attention. So keep that in mind if you travel that route at htat time. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:51:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EGpvHR032461; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:51:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EGpuU2032456; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:51:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814124816.02273d68@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:51:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Study (fwd) In-Reply-To: <0208141159443H.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: <1CF0D235.4B7EFBB2.001912B6@aol.com> <1CF0D235.4B7EFBB2.001912B6@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The California code does not expressly allow lane splitting, it simply doesn't disallow it. The only restriction they have on splitting lanes is this : CVC 21714. The driver of a vehicle described in subdivision (f) of Section 27803 shall not do either of the following: (a) Operate the vehicle in any lane established under Section 21655.5 as an exclusive or preferential use lane for high-occupancy vehicles. (b) Operate the vehicle in either of the following: (1) The area on, or immediately adjacent to, the striping or other markers designating adjacent traffic lanes. (2) The area between two or more vehicles that are traveling in adjacent traffic lanes. ...and it applies to three wheeled vehicles. Its de facto legal since the organization that sets standards on how to enforce the vehicle code (the CHP) says its ok. Which is basically what I said in my first post. I wish it were legal in this area, but the general mindset would be that we are getting away with something - rather than the obvious fact that if we are splitting, we aren't in the lane taking up room. At 11:59 AM 8/14/2002, Carl Schelin wrote: >http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/answers.html > >Can motorcycle riders "split" lanes and ride between other vehicles? > >Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible but must be done in a save and >prudent manner. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:56:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EGuSHR000305; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:56:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EGuRc4032764; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:56:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:54:14 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: motorcycle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Study (fwd) Message-ID: <6711966D.4FE66453.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Calm down Danny-boy. I would say with 99.99% certainty that this is a joke. I have never seen any study, scientific or otherwise, use the F-word in it. :-) Scooter In a message dated Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:43:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > > > complete and utter bullcrap. > > 1. a person doesn't have the right to open a car door to injure a > motorcyclist regardless if he is breaking a traffic law or not. > 2. The survey is not scientific > 3. the tractor trailer could have held up emergency vehicles and > causing someone to die without the proper aid arriving on time. > 4. this may not even be a true story.. just someone's imagination > wantng to get all over the internet. > > therefore I request that this garbage not be forwarded, for hte fear > that some dumb cager may think he has the right to open the door on a > filtering motorcylist. > > > Danny > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:55:54 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > >Fwd'd from a friend... > > > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:53:38 -0400 > >Subject: Motorcyclist Study > > > >Study: Motorcyclists Who Cut Traffic Jams Are ***Holes > >New York (SatireWire.com) - According to a new study by a New York > >University professor, motorcyclists who slice between lanes during traffic > >jams and refuse to wait in long lines like everyone else are "major dumbfuck > >assholes" who "deserve to die." > > > >The study, conducted by NYU Prof. John Leibling as he drove his car on the > >Long Island Expressway at rush hour last Monday, relied on a visual sampling > >of "at least six" motorcyclists who decided normal traffic laws "didn't > >fucking apply to them," said the survey. > > > >"According to my findings, 100 percent of the motorcyclists who rode along > >the painted lane lines between cars were fucking bastards who have the IQ of > >cow shit," said Leibling, who eventually missed his flight at the airport. > >Under the circumstances, the study added, law-abiding automobile owners had > >every right to flatten these motorcyclists by opening their car doors as the > >riders attempted to pass, "but no one did, goddamnit." > > > >In a related note, the survey also found that those car owners who attempted > >to cheat ahead by using the emergency lanes were complete total pricks, and > >that the tractor-trailer driver who eventually veered into the emergency > >lane to keep those drivers from gaining an edge was a > "fucking hero, man." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 12:59:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EGxQHR000712; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:59:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EGxQqA000701; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:59:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020814165923.8099.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:59:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: re: speed traps To: Motor PsychoL Danny , Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Also, if any of you are riding in NW DC, near MacAurthur Blvd or near Sibley Hospital be very aware that you can, as I did, get a speeding ticket mailed to you!! I was riding down some road in that area and was mailed a $50.00 fine for going 36/25. I honestly thought the speed limit was 30 or 35. Have any of you noticed that there are a few too many stop signs and speed limit signs that are blocked by brush cover? I think that's a foul way to generate revenue for the city. Nick --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > > > Latey, a few times i've had to venture into DC > around rush hour, > > coming down 295 South as it breaks off to > kennelworth ave / 50 > > i've found park police set up doing radar on the 50 > side of the split > , before you get on 50. I usually see them and > stick behind other > cars so tehy can't aim at me. They look at me as I > go past, and I > wave. > > They usually keep about 4 cars pulled over, so a > group of 6,7 cars up > ahead on teh shoulder really catch my attention. > So keep that in > mind if you travel that route at htat time. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 13:13:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EHDIHR001333; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:13:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EHDIo7001328; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:13:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.2.20020814131212.03a0d860@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:13:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: re: speed traps In-Reply-To: <20020814165923.8099.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:59 AM 8/14/2002 -0700, Nicholas wrote: > Have any of you >noticed that there are a few too many stop signs and >speed limit signs that are blocked by brush cover? I >think that's a foul way to generate revenue for the >city. When you find stuff like that, let -- if no one else -- Dr. Gridlock know about it and it will get fixed. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/metro/columns/drgridlock/ and drgridlock@XXXXXX -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 13:17:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EHHEHR002008; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:17:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EHHDhT002002; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:17:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZW3LCRTPNF5TYIXXjpyaNA+P+zGNbOSeOiHEFx5/A0sEJ8/pAPmAIGFhSTznGtFEk= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Moose Chain Cleaner? Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:17:10 -0400 Message-ID: <007001c243b6$6d3f77a0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <00a101c243ae$979351a0$6401a8c0@XP1> Importance: Normal I thought Bruce was being quite humorous..... -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Norton [ Just because I type in a clear and direct manner doesn't mean I'm pissed or flaming. And you STILL need to read the label on the can. Are you sure that EVERY type of contact/brake cleaner sold in your local store is O-ring unsafe? Decaf? No way! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" > Settle down, Beavis. :-) > > No, they are not latex gloves (but thanks for the speculation to go with > with my rumor and innuendo!). Honda may make a rubber/plastic safe brake > cleaner, but the stuff you pick up from the local auto parts store is not > safe for rubber/plastic. > > Bruce, one suggestion - DECAF. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 13:19:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EHJJHR002414; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:19:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EHJIi3002404; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:19:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.2.20020814131857.0273fe78@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:19:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: re: speed traps In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.2.20020814131212.03a0d860@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> References: <20020814165923.8099.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:13 PM 8/14/2002 -0400, you wrote: >At 09:59 AM 8/14/2002 -0700, Nicholas wrote: >> Have any of you >>noticed that there are a few too many stop signs and >>speed limit signs that are blocked by brush cover? I >>think that's a foul way to generate revenue for the >>city. > >When you find stuff like that, let -- if no one else -- >Dr. Gridlock know about it and it will get fixed. Actually, a small bit of searching Dr. Gridlock's website found this: http://dc.gov/citizen/request.htm -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 13:23:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EHN1HR002830; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:23:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EHN1Ix002825; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:23:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814132113.023818c8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:22:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: re: speed traps In-Reply-To: <20020814165923.8099.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:59 PM 8/14/2002, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > I >think that's a foul way to generate revenue for the >city. Almost as bad as the parking nazis. I don't think DC Gubmint has any idea how much parking and traffic enforcement encourages people not to go downtown and spend their money. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 13:29:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EHTYHR003329; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:29:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EHTX7f003322; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:29:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <029601c243b8$df022b60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Nicholas Thompson" Cc: References: <20020814165923.8099.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: speed traps Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:34:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 The speed limit on *all* DC streets is 25, unless marked otherwise. Most of the gateway streets into DC have signs stating this. If you don't see a sign indicating a higher limit, it's automatically 25. Macarthur Blvd. is a heightened enforcement area. There was a pedestrian fatality there last year due to a speeder and the neighborhood is quite vocal about getting the MPD to rein in these "scofflaws." MPD saw this as the perfect opportunity to deploy the radar cams. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Thompson" > Also, if any of you are riding in NW DC, near > MacAurthur Blvd or near Sibley Hospital be very aware > that you can, as I did, get a speeding ticket mailed > to you!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 13:39:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EHdsHR003878; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:39:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EHdroJ003864; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:39:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020814173950.18146.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:39:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: speed traps To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <029601c243b8$df022b60$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maybe I should go down there with a hacksaw and cut that thing down. Just kidding!! That's too bad that one asshole hits and kills someone and the rest of us pay the price. Yeah, I was in the wrong, but can you really tell the difference between 35 and 25 on a bike? It's not like I was riding wheelies down MacAurthur. Lastweek I had a Howard county cop follow me for 5-6 miles waiting to see if I was going to do something. It's not easy to keep an eye on your speedo and the road to ensure you don't exceed the posted limit. I think cops that tailgate people should be disciplined in a big way, but that's another story. Sorry for the lenght. Nick --- Paul Wilson wrote: > The speed limit on *all* DC streets is 25, unless > marked otherwise. Most of > the gateway streets into DC have signs stating this. > If you don't see a > sign indicating a higher limit, it's automatically > 25. > > Macarthur Blvd. is a heightened enforcement area. > There was a pedestrian > fatality there last year due to a speeder and the > neighborhood is quite > vocal about getting the MPD to rein in these > "scofflaws." MPD saw this as > the perfect opportunity to deploy the radar cams. > > Paul in DC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicholas Thompson" > > > > Also, if any of you are riding in NW DC, near > > MacAurthur Blvd or near Sibley Hospital be very > aware > > that you can, as I did, get a speeding ticket > mailed > > to you!! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 13:45:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EHjxHR004316; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:45:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EHjw0x004310; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:45:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020814174556.5280.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:45:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: re: speed traps To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814132113.023818c8@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nazis? Do the parking officers really support National Socialism and racial-oriented politics. I doubt it? Regardless, as a DC resident, some of the traffic laws make sense. First of all, the 2 or 3 hour restriction on parking in neighborhood is so that residents (tax payers, not sales tax payers) can find a parking space now and then. A good idea. The meters in the business district are so that people can park for short (2 hour) periods of time while doing business. Whats wrong with that. The 'no parking' 3-6 PM is so that people can get around during rush hour. Whats wrong with that. Now, this does not excuse incorrect tickets or signage. But its easy to rag on DC because in Fairfax county you can park anywhere. DC is full right now. Tons of restaurants, businesses, now housing. We don't NEED more people downtown. Mark --- Troutman wrote: > At 12:59 PM 8/14/2002, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > > I > >think that's a foul way to generate revenue for the > >city. > > Almost as bad as the parking nazis. I don't think > DC Gubmint has any idea > how much parking and traffic enforcement encourages > people not to go > downtown and spend their money. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 13:46:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EHkUHR004597; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:46:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EHkTji004497; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:46:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02f101c243bb$3c3d7080$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Nicholas Thompson" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020814173950.18146.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: speed traps Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:51:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Thompson" Yeah, I was in the wrong, but can you > really tell the difference between 35 and 25 on a > bike? It's not like I was riding wheelies down > MacAurthur. Well, according to Danny, that's okey, dokey in DC, as long as the cop writes you up for being a smart-ass and you get to explain to the judge that you were being "safe" while doing it. :) Or does it only apply to "squid row" near the Howard McD's? Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 13:46:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EHkbHR004896; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:46:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EHkbVg004891; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:46:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jim Shoemaker Subject: Buying Back a "Totaled" Bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.7 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:46:36 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I had a 30-40 mph lowside on my Duc M750 at Pridmore's CLASS school at VIR last month and the insurance estimate came back at $10,000+ in parts & labor. MSRP on the bike was about $7700 in 2000. Replacing a scratched frame (not bent), scratched swingarm and scratched front wheel account for a substantial part of the $10K after you factor in the 18 hours of labor involved. To return the bike to (substantially) pre-crash condition only requires: a new tank, handlebars, throttle assy, right side slip on, right side footpeg, and clutch cover. I'm estimating about $3,000 parts & labor. How much of a PITA is it in Virginia to buy back your bike after the insurance co has totaled it? --Jim From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 13:50:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EHoaHR005542; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:50:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EHoaPc005537; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:50:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: "Motor PsychoL Danny" , Subject: RE: Attitudes of DC cops Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:29:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <982llu4cfb1m3mmou3laj5rpq8moumk2jr@4ax.com> Importance: Normal The cops don't care? Some of them should check their attitude at the door. I used to be a K-9 cop for the Smithsonian and while walking to the metro (I didn't have my dog, he likes the bus, not the rail) I crossed in the crosswalk. I spotted a police officer in cruiser and said hello. He asked me if I had a problem which set me off. I returned with "yes, cops with bad attitudes". He got out of his cruiser and said he was going to lock me up for disorderly conduct. My police friend that was with me helped talk him out of my lock up. Scott (Mongo) -----Original Message----- From: Motor PsychoL Danny [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:52 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Attitudes of DC cops I regularly chat with DC cops down at howard mcdonalds... they are pretty non schelant Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EHrvHR005986; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:53:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EHruwq005977; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:53:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Jim Shoemaker , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Buying Back a "Totaled" Bike Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:51:43 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208141351433I.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 14 August 2002 13:46, Jim Shoemaker wrote: > I had a 30-40 mph lowside on my Duc M750 at Pridmore's CLASS school at VIR > last month and the insurance estimate came back at $10,000+ in parts & > labor. MSRP on the bike was about $7700 in 2000. Replacing a scratched > frame (not bent), scratched swingarm and scratched front wheel account for > a substantial part of the $10K after you factor in the 18 hours of labor > involved. > > To return the bike to (substantially) pre-crash condition only requires: a > new tank, handlebars, throttle assy, right side slip on, right side > footpeg, and clutch cover. I'm estimating about $3,000 parts & labor. > > How much of a PITA is it in Virginia to buy back your bike after the > insurance co has totaled it? > I was asked if I wanted mine (about 12 years ago) and told to pay the $100.00 salvage fee. > > --Jim Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 13:56:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EHueHR006396; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:56:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EHudUC006385; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:56:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: "Nicholas Thompson" , "Motor PsychoL Danny" , "Paul Wilson" Cc: Subject: RE: speed traps Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:35:29 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020814165923.8099.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Wsahington, DC police have 5 Crown Victorias unmarked that have speed cameras built into the grille area. They are usually located at placed that have a high influx of people that do not live in DC. The main places are MacArthur Blvd., Michigan Ave near Trinity College, North Capital at the bridge near the Soldiers home and the hospitals, New York Ave and especially Suitland Parkway. The position themselves to catch the out of towners coming in for rush hour mornings and out for rush hour evenings. The way you will notice them is they are on the grass area where there is no parking and they have a stickered number on the left side of the rear glass. There is one gentleman who is looking like he is doing paperwork in the drivers seat. He almost caught me once but he got the van that was in between the camera and me, ha ha. Scott (Mongo) -----Original Message----- From: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:sfdaytona@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:59 PM To: Motor PsychoL Danny; Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: speed traps Also, if any of you are riding in NW DC, near MacAurthur Blvd or near Sibley Hospital be very aware that you can, as I did, get a speeding ticket mailed to you!! I was riding down some road in that area and was mailed a $50.00 fine for going 36/25. I honestly thought the speed limit was 30 or 35. Have any of you noticed that there are a few too many stop signs and speed limit signs that are blocked by brush cover? I think that's a foul way to generate revenue for the city. Nick --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > > > Latey, a few times i've had to venture into DC > around rush hour, > > coming down 295 South as it breaks off to > kennelworth ave / 50 > > i've found park police set up doing radar on the 50 > side of the split > , before you get on 50. I usually see them and > stick behind other > cars so tehy can't aim at me. They look at me as I > go past, and I > wave. > > They usually keep about 4 cars pulled over, so a > group of 6,7 cars up > ahead on teh shoulder really catch my attention. > So keep that in > mind if you travel that route at htat time. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 13:56:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EHunHR006572; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:56:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EHunB8006567; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:56:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D5A9B2F.1BD69DD3@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:02:24 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nicholas Thompson CC: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: speed traps References: <20020814173950.18146.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nicholas Thompson wrote: > Maybe I should go down there with a hacksaw and cut > that thing down. Just kidding!! That's too bad that > one asshole hits and kills someone and the rest of us > pay the price. Yeah, I was in the wrong, but can you > really tell the difference between 35 and 25 on a > bike? It's not like I was riding wheelies down > MacAurthur. Yes, the difference betwixt 35 and 25 is 10 miles per hour. A small number, but that (rough guess) almost doubles your stopping distance. Unwary pedestrian steps off curb... *Screeeeeee - SPLAT* And while you're in the slammer for vehicular manslaughter, you can contemplate over wether that 15+ feet of stopping distance you gave up could have made a differernce. Pay your fine and be glad it was only a ticket. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 14:00:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EI0JHR007216; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:00:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EI0Ij4007205; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:00:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D5A9BFC.5B5AF9D5@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:05:48 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: speed traps References: <20020814174556.5280.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > Now, this does not excuse incorrect tickets or > signage. But its easy to rag on DC because in Fairfax > county you can park anywhere. Not quite true. I believe Fairfax Co now has a law that we can't park on our lawn, the lawn which by gubmint decree must be mowed regularly or the lazy homeowner will be fined a tidy sum for his/her lawn untidiness. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 14:02:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EI2EHR007632; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:02:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EI2E81007627; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:02:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814135252.02392968@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:02:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: re: speed traps DC, etc. In-Reply-To: <20020814174556.5280.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814132113.023818c8@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:45 PM 8/14/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Nazis? Do the parking officers really support >National Socialism and racial-oriented politics. I >doubt it? Always the smart ass. >Regardless, as a DC resident, some of the traffic laws >make sense. First of all, the 2 or 3 hour restriction >on parking in neighborhood is so that residents (tax >payers, not sales tax payers) can find a parking space >now and then. A good idea. > >The meters in the business district are so that people >can park for short (2 hour) periods of time while >doing business. Whats wrong with that. Nothing at all, if they were actually properly maintained and uniformly ticketed. I parked in front of a malfunctioning meter (flashing, would not take a coin) and left a note on it while I ran in a building. Returned to find a ticket and a mysteriously now functioning meter. >The 'no parking' 3-6 PM is so that people can get >around during rush hour. Whats wrong with that. Nothing - if there is a sign stating the fact. Had a ticket 3 years ago for parking on a rush hour street without a goddamn sign within view. Went back down with a camera two weeks later for my appeal. Guess what? Brand new signs. >Now, this does not excuse incorrect tickets or >signage. But its easy to rag on DC because in Fairfax >county you can park anywhere. Yeah - it is easy to park in Fairfax and pretty much everywhere else outside of DC. >DC is full right now. Tons of restaurants, businesses, >now housing. We don't NEED more people downtown. No worries then, the white flight continues. You may not need more people downtown, but the city surely needs our tax revenue as we buy goods and services. In case you didn't realize it Mark (and you obviously don't) DC is a town driven by two industries - government and tourism. Tourists have to park somewhere so they can spend their money. It is in the city's best interests to make it as easy as possible for anyone that wants to come downtown to get there, park, do business and leave. Know why so many businesses moved out to the burbs? It wasn't just traffic, it was parking and Taxes. My parents own a company in NE. I worked there from 86 through 95 driving delivery trucks in DC. I commuted downtown at 5:00am every day on 395. I know how fucked up DC roads, parking and regulations can be. Been there done that. DC 'burbs have so much more to offer than they had 10 or 15 years ago. Edge citys exploding in growth. I have no need for the district. But that is just me. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 14:05:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EI5jHR008049; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:05:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EI5jUh008045; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:05:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D5A9D48.89F51336@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:11:21 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Shoemaker CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Buying Back a "Totaled" Bike References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Shoemaker wrote: > > > I had a 30-40 mph lowside on my Duc M750 at Pridmore's CLASS school at VIR > last month and the insurance estimate came back at $10,000+ in parts & labor. > MSRP on the bike was about $7700 in 2000. Replacing a scratched frame (not > bent), scratched swingarm and scratched front wheel account for a substantial > part of the $10K after you factor in the 18 hours of labor involved. > > To return the bike to (substantially) pre-crash condition only requires: a > new tank, handlebars, throttle assy, right side slip on, right side footpeg, > and clutch cover. I'm estimating about $3,000 parts & labor. > > How much of a PITA is it in Virginia to buy back your bike after the > insurance co has totaled it? > > --Jim Zero prob. You can "buy" it back by paying the insurance company the salvage value. My question is, why in hell is the frame of a Duc so expensive? My Harley frame was like less than $800. Course, it isn't Eye-Talian and wasn't blessed by Pope Gargoyle XXXI. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 14:10:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EIADHR008477; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:10:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EIAD4E008473; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:10:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:10:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200208141410.AA92275224@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: Attitudes of DC cops X-Mailer: The last time I approached a DC cop was to ask about a wrecked motorcycle in the intersection in front of him. He said the rider had just been taken off in an ambulance. I noticed the strip of black tape on his badge and realized he'd recently lost a colleague. He just seemed sad, but I could understand if he was touchy about being approached. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Scott R. Russell" Reply-To: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:29:23 -0400 >The cops don't care? Some of them should check their attitude at the door. > >I used to be a K-9 cop for the Smithsonian and while walking to the metro (I >didn't have my dog, he likes the bus, not the rail) I crossed in the >crosswalk. I spotted a police officer in cruiser and said hello. He asked >me if I had a problem which set me off. I returned with "yes, cops with bad >attitudes". He got out of his cruiser and said he was going to lock me up >for disorderly conduct. My police friend that was with me helped talk him >out of my lock up. > >Scott (Mongo) > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Motor PsychoL Danny [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:52 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Attitudes of DC cops > > >I regularly chat with DC cops down at howard mcdonalds... > >they are pretty non schelant >They're tickets are pretty low.. $50/$75 and the sort.. and they >pretty much only arrest you for wreckless driving. > >A friend of mine pulled a rolling endo into the mcdonalds parking >lot. The cop was just going to have a word with him, told my friend >he was going to write him a ticket, friend he said he doesn't care, so >the cop locked him up. the judge threw the case out yesterday because >the cop addmitted he didn't endanger anyone else and was only arrested >because he said he didnt' care about getting a ticket, wasn't speeding >etc. > >but usually the cops say they dont' care.. they dont' take their jobs >to be superhero's. they'll do their job, but only if it's a serious >issue. Theyr'e pretty much moving on to be sky martials. > >But I would take peeing in the street serious too. that's just nasty. >But if you want to wheelie around deserted streets that's on you. >that would be my attitude too if i was a cop. > >no harm, no foul. no risk, no foul. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 14:11:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EIBtHR008882; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:11:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EIBtfc008875; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:11:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jim Shoemaker Subject: Re: Buying Back a "Totaled" Bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.7 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:11:48 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D5A9D48.89F51336@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:11:21 -0400 "William J. Huson" wrote: > Jim Shoemaker wrote: > > How much of a PITA is it in Virginia to buy back your bike after the > > insurance co has totaled it? > > > > --Jim > > Zero prob. You can "buy" it back by paying the insurance company the > salvage > value. My question is, why in hell is the frame of a Duc so expensive? According to the estimate it's $1,100 + 17.5 hours @ $60/hr to bolt everything onto it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 14:46:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EIk0HR009490; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:46:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EIjxbk009481; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:45:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:45:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Moose Chain Cleaner? In-Reply-To: <00a101c243ae$979351a0$6401a8c0@XP1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Bruce Norton wrote: > Just because I type in a clear and direct manner doesn't mean I'm pissed or > flaming. > > And you STILL need to read the label on the can. Are you sure that EVERY > type of contact/brake cleaner sold in your local store is O-ring unsafe? Yes, I realize that you should always read the can for the proper application of a particular product. Be sure to read your owners manual and FSM, too :-) Also, Last I checked, no can of brake clean I have used said anything about motorcycle o-ring chains :-) Someone asked about using brake clean to clean a chain and I relayed my experience. I buy the cheap stuff by the case, you're welcome to come by and read any of the labels :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 14:48:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EImcHR009913; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:48:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EImcx7009908; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:48:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:48:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Study (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I can't believe I'm actually typing this.... For those humor impaired individuals that wrote me privately - THIS IS A JOKE. LOOK AT THE SOURCE OF THE E-MAIL, "SATIREWIRE.COM". ... and the procmail filter grows larger 8-) -- Wayne On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: > Fwd'd from a friend... > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:53:38 -0400 > Subject: Motorcyclist Study > > Study: Motorcyclists Who Cut Traffic Jams Are ***Holes > New York (SatireWire.com) - According to a new study by a New York > University professor, motorcyclists who slice between lanes during traffic > jams and refuse to wait in long lines like everyone else are "major dumbfuck > assholes" who "deserve to die." > > The study, conducted by NYU Prof. John Leibling as he drove his car on the > Long Island Expressway at rush hour last Monday, relied on a visual sampling > of "at least six" motorcyclists who decided normal traffic laws "didn't > fucking apply to them," said the survey. > > "According to my findings, 100 percent of the motorcyclists who rode along > the painted lane lines between cars were fucking bastards who have the IQ of > cow shit," said Leibling, who eventually missed his flight at the airport. > Under the circumstances, the study added, law-abiding automobile owners had > every right to flatten these motorcyclists by opening their car doors as the > riders attempted to pass, "but no one did, goddamnit." > > In a related note, the survey also found that those car owners who attempted > to cheat ahead by using the emergency lanes were complete total pricks, and > that the tractor-trailer driver who eventually veered into the emergency > lane to keep those drivers from gaining an edge was a "fucking hero, man." > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 14:51:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EIpJHR010325; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:51:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EIpILn010321; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:51:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020814185116.49458.qmail@web13608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:51:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Sanjour Subject: RE: speed traps To: MacDa@XXXXXX, Nicholas Thompson , Motor PsychoL Danny , Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii D.C. finally got their commuter tax... Two other places those Crown Vics hang out: Kenilworth Avenue(D.C. 295) south bound just after Pennsylvania Avenue, on the weekends. Arizona Avenue near MacArthur Blvd. Joe --- "Scott R. Russell" wrote: > Wsahington, DC police have 5 Crown Victorias > unmarked that have speed > cameras built into the grille area. They are > usually located at placed that > have a high influx of people that do not live in DC. > The main places are > MacArthur Blvd., Michigan Ave near Trinity College, > North Capital at the > bridge near the Soldiers home and the hospitals, New > York Ave and especially > Suitland Parkway. The position themselves to catch > the out of towners > coming in for rush hour mornings and out for rush > hour evenings. > > The way you will notice them is they are on the > grass area where there is no > parking and they have a stickered number on the left > side of the rear glass. > There is one gentleman who is looking like he is > doing paperwork in the > drivers seat. He almost caught me once but he got > the van that was in > between the camera and me, ha ha. > > Scott (Mongo) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 15:03:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EJ3RHR010818; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:03:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EJ3ReA010811; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:03:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.224.173.2] From: "Sanath S" To: MacDa@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: i'm back! :) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:02:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 19:02:20.0226 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D7EC220:01C243C5] >From: "Scott R. Russell" >Reply-To: >To: "dan" , >CC: >Subject: RE: i'm back! :) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:51:32 -0400 > >Thank you for the quiz, I got 14 out of 16 correct, but it is a hard test. > >As for the harry pic (haha), I don't think so. If it is, it is an old pic. > >Scott (Mongo) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: dan [mailto:dan@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:03 AM >To: harry@XXXXXX >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: i'm back! :) > > > > http://www.dc-cycles.org/~harry/jen.jpg > > > > There, that should clear up any ambiguity once and for all. > > -harry > >Harry, > >I think you should take this test and see how you do. > >http://www.b3ta.com/femaleorshemale/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 15:04:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EJ4wHR011110; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:04:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EJ4w7J011103; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:04:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.224.173.2] From: "Sanath S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: i'm back! :) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:04:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 19:04:50.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[77405BC0:01C243C5] Good god, 15 out of 16. Sure are a lot of pretty men out there. I would also like to confirm that Jenn is in fact a girl. Sanath >From: "Scott R. Russell" >Reply-To: >To: "dan" , >CC: >Subject: RE: i'm back! :) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:51:32 -0400 > >Thank you for the quiz, I got 14 out of 16 correct, but it is a hard test. > >As for the harry pic (haha), I don't think so. If it is, it is an old pic. > >Scott (Mongo) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: dan [mailto:dan@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:03 AM >To: harry@XXXXXX >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: i'm back! :) > > > > http://www.dc-cycles.org/~harry/jen.jpg > > > > There, that should clear up any ambiguity once and for all. > > -harry > >Harry, > >I think you should take this test and see how you do. > >http://www.b3ta.com/femaleorshemale/ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 15:18:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EJIwHR011570; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:18:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EJIvQm011563; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:18:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA767A9C65@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'Don'" Subject: FS: Katana and R1100RS Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:22:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Posting this for a friend, contact him directly with questions. These bikes were professionally maintained and are in great shape. Mike ----------- Excellent, "Adult"-Owned Motorcycles for Sale '88 600cc Katana, 45K mi., new Yoshimura exhaust (sounds/looks great), basement-kept. Still the bestselling Suzuki, I think. $1800 or best offer. '94 BMW R1100 RS, 60K mi., tall and stock windshields, hard luggage, ABS, heated grips. Great two-up weekend trip bike. Motorcyclist magazine's motorcycle of the year. $6500 obo. Don Home 703-979-5818 Work 703-661-1562 don@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 15:51:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EJpRHR012449; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:51:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EJpQZd012441; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:51:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814131103.025e4db0@mail.ncifcrf.gov> X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:53:55 -0700 To: "Lisa Goddard" , "dcccycles" From: Lori Wilson Subject: Aprilia Femmoto/my account(VERY LONG) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Oh, the tale of the most amazing weekend at VIR. (LONG).......(disclaimer- I can't type,spell, or compose a post properly - so if it bothers you that much don't read any further !) I arrived at VIR late Thursday night after getting out of work late. Rode down the boring way (95,85, 58, 119)...got to the track at 12 (midnight). A friend in a car with camping gear was supposed to meet us at VIR...no sign of him or the car when we arrived- so to the extreme amusement and shock of the guys at the front gate- I told them what car my friend was driving so they could look for it- parked the bike- threw down my jacket and promptly went to sleep. Little did they know I've slept in far more uncomfortable, far noisier Iron Butt Hotels before. A few hours of zz's later (2am) friend/car/gear arrive- we throw up the tents and get some sleep...I was pretty wound up and excited and I guess you could say I had a permanent grin on my face starting Friday morning. We'd camped in the camping area of the North Course Thurs night and decided to pack up camp and move to the south course since it would be less crowded and quieter. After relocating to the south course, I showered and changed into my leathers- and checked in for the Aprilia track day. I'd signed up to ride the Mille, Falco, and Futura. I registered for the intermediate group because I've only been on the track a few times before, and I would be riding someone else's expensive motorcycle. I'm glad I signed up for the intermediate group because there were some really fast girls in the advanced group! I saw Lisa and Jay there- it was great to see you guys!! Lisa is such an inspiration to me as much as she gets out on the track, and as well as she rides. My first test ride of the day was the Mille. I'd debated wearing my racing boots because I'm rather short...o.k. I'm really short..and with my race boots on I can't touch the ground on my street bike (VFR800), so I knew there'd be no chance of touching on any of the Aprilias. However the people with Aprilia and the guys helping out from sportbiketracktime.com assured me that there would be no problem. Each of the demo bikes had its own personal assistant to make sure we didn't have any trouble getting on and off the bike..So off I went to get the race boots..and up on the Mille I went- my personal bike assistant holding the bike straight up and down until I was ready to go (I had both feet on pegs, dropped it into gear and away I went). The Mille was a lot of fun, a bit intimidating for me too though. I really had to muscle the bike around some turns- and just as I was getting confident with the big twin engine and the handling- I went into a tight corner waay too fast and rode wide into the dirt....and fought every initial instinct- kept it up (even though the rear tire was ALL over the place and I was scared sh*tless) and got it back on the track. A few people motored in the same spot- one dumped it on fri there, and a few dumped it there on the Sat and Sun track days. My next two rides on the track were on the Falco. The seating position was a little less extreme- and this made it much easier for me to take the bike into the turns- and inspired more confidence than the Mille. The Falco was my favorite over the Mille- even though the Mille still wins on looks. I did not feel much difference in the power of the Mille vrs Falco. I guess because I was more confident on the Falco I was turning faster laps than on the Mille- and taking it faster down the front straight than on the Mille. Both bikes were amazing- and although I was signed up for the Futura- after 2 sessions on the Mille and 2 on the Falco- I was hot, tired, and was not too upset to give my spot in the 5th session to another person. Also, at some point during the day- one of the organizers of the event, Bonnie, convinced me to do a track day on Saturday on the VFR. I agreed (even though I had some serious doubts, and I was more than a little anxious about bringing the baby on the track after RIDING down...and loving my motorcycle as much as I do.0) because she was offering a reduced price for the day ($75) and said the novice/school group would have approximately one instructor to every 3 students. I thought this would be an excellent opportunity to get some critique on my riding skills, as well as to learn more as Bonnie explained that the novice group gets some excellent classroom instruction. She was so right, and I came out of it with more than I could have ever hoped for. Friday night after the demo rides and grabbing a quick bite to eat, we rode to the paddock area to visit with a friend who was racing AMA superbike as a privateer. I did not have a hot pass so we parked in the motorcycle lot and walked in...much to my friends dismay he blew up his engine during the practice session and had to replace the engine that night. We were sent on a very important mission- to retrieve some refreshing alcoholic beverages that were essential to the engine replacement job. With a 12 pack of Coronas in the main compartment of my tail trunk (RKA by the way fits a 12 pack nicely), and a 6 pack of Icehouse tucked into the pockets, I convinced the guy at the paddock area to let me ride in with my "essential parts for a racer friend". Several beers later, a new engine, a few cycles later- I rode back to my campsite. Saturday morning, I slept through my alarm...oops..tech inspection started at 7:30am with registration at 8, riders meeting 8:30am, riders on the track at 9....I stumbled out of my tent at around 7:15 (with nothing on the bike prepped mind you)..Had the BRILLIANT idea of taking the center stand off the bike- not realizing this entails removing the exhaust...so I decide not to take the centerstand off- but somehow got a wrench stuck on the bolt that hold the centerstand on behind the header of the exhaust..don't ask 'cause I still don't know.....After struggling for 10 mins- 4 guys who were riding that day came over to assist. It essentially took all four- (well at least 3) to fix my screwup. So the centerstand stayed on..(i was a little nervous about this), and I borrowed various colors of tape to tape my lights, signals, and mirrors. I rolled into tech (in my p.j's oh by the way) at the last possible moment- and got a C- on my tape job...what do you expect first thing in the morning with no coffee??? But the bike was fine through tech..riders meeting to talk about track rules, guidelines, etc. Novice/school group was going to class immediately as the groups were run Intermediate, Advanced, Novice so we'd have class when the Intermediate group was out and the instructors could go out on the track with the Advanced group and have fun. I quickly changed into my leathers and went to the classroom. The classroom portion of the track day was invaluable and incredible. We covered everything from proper lines, braking, throttle control, body position, to hanging off the bike. The first session out on the track was a "follow the leader" slow lap around the track to get a feel for the track. I was amazed, and so thrilled that the VFR was just an absolute JOY to ride on the track. Riding your own bike on the track makes such a HUGE difference. I was much more comfortable than I thought I'd be.. We picked up the pace and the instructor would wave one of us by each time and watch us and would later critique and give suggestions. The second session on the track was a 3rd gear drill where you had to ride your bike around the entire track in 3rd gear (except the straight) and concentrate on your lines and throttle control. I guess this was when I realized many of the turns on the track could be taken a lot faster than I was taking them- (a few I was taking in second). Throughout the day, I steadily got better and the instruction was TOP NOTCH. There were about 3-4 students to each instructor- we got some decent class time, and the instructors offered LOTS of individual attention/critique and were VERY receptive to any questions we had. In fact if I had any questions, often when were on the track the instructor would pull in front of me and show me either the proper line or the proper way to do something. The second to last session on the track was a lesson on body position and how to and why you hang off the motorcycle in a turn....So out on the track to move my butt off the seat...and each lap the instructor would wave one of us by and ride behind us to watch...after we got in off the track the instructor spoke with each one of us and told us- move this, move that, toe in, toe out, knee out, etc- specific critique of form. The last session on the track of the day, I was tooling around my favorite corner of the track and scraaaaappe goes my knee puck aaaaall the way around the turn!!!!!!! I was ecstatic.....I came in off the track and proceeded to show everyone and tell everyone who would listen (yes , I'm a total dork). I got my knee down, I got me knee down!!! To add to the good news, my friend gridded in the AMA superbike race at something like 36th and finished at like 13th. So I zoomed down to the pits to congratulate my friend briefly before dinner and sweet talked my way in so I could ride down. I decided to walk the paddock since I'd been at the other track the entire day...walked by the Honda tent and say my FAV racer sitting at a table (Miguel DuHamel)..I didn't stop for an autograph.(chicken)...I was still toting my scraped knee puck to show to friends..(total dork)..I walked by once more without stopping and then when to get the bike to leave and get some dinner....and decided on a whim to ride the motorcycle over to the Honda tent...so me and my friend Mary on her R6 rolled up to the Honda tent....By this time every single honda factory racer and team member was sitting there because of a celebration of Nickis win. But, I couldn't really back out because ALL eyes were on us as someone hollered (in the tent) "Chicks on bikes!". I timidly asked Miguel to sign my motorcycle..he comes out of the tent and lays a huge sig on my front faring...I was all smiles...unfortunately since this was a quick trip to the pits I didn't have a camera *big frown*..but after he signs my bike and see my crap a** tape job starts talking to me- and all I could say (or actually all I could think to say to start) was yeah, I'm riding on the south course and look, I got my knee down! He was all smiles and said he remembers his first knee down and actually talked to me for like 10 mins. I felt like a complete LOSER for telling DuHamel I got my first knee down. big whoopie..but it was to me!! I decided to do the track school again on Sunday...and I was really glad I did. I decided to stay in the novice group so I could get the instruction- and had the good fortune to ride in a group with 2 other ladies who were very comfortable on the track- so our novice group was actually as fast (if not faster) than several in the intermediate group (our instructor was so pleased). We lapped the slower novice riders sometimes as much as 3 times in a session. He said he got a few comments about how we should really be in the intermediate group- but since my bike was not safety wired and I still had antifreeze I HAD to stay in the novice group. I learned SO much more on Sunday....our instructor really stepped up the instruction to the level we were riding at and worked on more advanced techniques and how to get faster laps times on the track...I scraped my right knee puck down really good- and I even got the LEFT one down a few times! once even all the way around the turn. I discovered in order for me to go fast around the tight turns, I HAVE to get off the seat and get a knee down- or I'll start scraping parts on the VFR (oops)...I can't wait to get the pictures back..the photographer was showing pics at lunch and there is one of me going right- my knee almost on the ground- and the bike looks HUGE...here is me..and this HUGE yellow motorcycle. I never realized how small I actually look on the bike....even smaller hanging my knee out....The cornerworkers came to me at the end of the day and said they really enjoyed watching me on the track- my nickname to them was pigtails (I had 2 long braids in my hair), and they thought it was amazing how I got that huge bike down in the corners and found it amazing when it actually came back up...I never though of my bike as huge- but I suppose compared to all those svelte race bikes he is rather big...esp with me on the back perspective wise.... So- the weekend was amazing. While I'm not fast, I'm certainly faster...and now I'm addicted to the track and am scheming ways to buy a trackbike..cause as much fun as the VFR was on the track, and how well he handled- he is still my street baby and still my traveling partner... One last note in closing (finally ;) ) To all those who rag on my motorcycle- Yeah, its not the fastest- but so what?? I've ridden 1500+ mile COMFORTABLE days on him, all up and down the east coast- Pa to Fl, to Canada and back, I can carry luggage on him with no problem- my rearseat bag alone holds enough stuff for a week vacation, AND now he's been on the track and did amazing on the track.....and I rode him home with all my stuff packed on him..and didn't get cramped on the ride home- not once.......... I love my motorcycle Lori From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 16:16:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EKGNHR012877; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:16:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EKGNK3012871; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:16:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:16:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aprilia Femmoto/my account(VERY LONG) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814131103.025e4db0@mail.ncifcrf.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Lori Wilson wrote: > One last note in closing (finally ;) ) To all those who rag on my > motorcycle- Yeah, its not the fastest- but so what?? I've ridden 1500+ mile > COMFORTABLE days on him, all up and down the east coast- Pa to Fl, to > Canada and back, I can carry luggage on him with no problem- my rearseat > bag alone holds enough stuff for a week vacation, AND now he's been on the > track and did amazing on the track.....and I rode him home with all my > stuff packed on him..and didn't get cramped on the ride home- not > once.......... > I love my motorcycle > Lori Killer write up, Lori. Especially the part about Miguel :-) I certainly hope a fellow biker wouldn't rag on you or your motorcycle, if they do, fuck 'em, they don't get it anyway! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 16:23:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EKN3HR013270; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:23:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EKN2mw013265; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:23:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Study (fwd) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:34:26 -0400 Message-ID: <7kfllucce9p64uhk7tvrc1gdl1c6ul1v1m@4ax.com> References: <6711966D.4FE66453.0C9D3659@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <6711966D.4FE66453.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7EKN0HR013251 I didn't think it was a "study" touted everywhere so much as some educated idiot writing a "report" type of "study" for a "news article".. then i thought it was word of mouth description of that. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 16:39:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EKdpHR013707; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:39:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EKdo4h013701; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:39:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Cc: Subject: Re: Attitudes of DC cops Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:51:14 -0400 Message-ID: References: <982llu4cfb1m3mmou3laj5rpq8moumk2jr@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7EKdnHR013689 Oh I'll agree there are cops with bad attitudes... far too many... last night a luitenant with PG county pulled up to our hang out spot, thought he found a couple of guys he'd been watching earlier, and got out fussing. He eventually blathered on some stuff about they're not chasing us any more, they're getting the helicopitor which has a video system that will "lock on you" , that they'll file warrants for your arrest and arrest you at work, they'll put the spikes out (but they're not chasing you right?), and their helicopters go 245 MPH. To which we basicly replied yea right, yea right, yea right, yea right, yea right, and we're glad you're not chasing bikes anymore because too many people were getting hurt, riders, civilians, police officers. I tried to tell him the reason they weren't chasing bikes any more is because they hit the wrong one and got sued for millions of dollars, and that's probalby the same reason they wont' use spikes either, but he was more wrapped up into hearing himself talk. Oh yea and he blathered all pg cops were forced to sell their bikes and fast cars or get fired or reprimanded, and again I told him yea right because I know cops who didn't sell anything and are still out here. Also he let out an expletive or two. Very professional for an officer who's supposed to be conversating with citizens. Atleast the moron said "if you pull over I won't give you a ticket, that's just my thing.. I'll just give you a good ass chewing"... So i had to positively reinforce his mindset "oh really! that's pretty cool. " Of course based on his bullshit factor I wont' take that as gospel. Basicly he seemed to be making a lot of threats into trying to scare people to slow down, and doing a lot of bullshitting as if he ws looking for acceptance.. So we kind of gave him some acceptance, cut down on his bulshit factor, told him crazy sportbikes riders are a self resolving problem and that we would prefer that the police focus their attention on drunk drivers since THEY hurt so many people... damn i forgot to mention that 20 year old drunk lady leaving dream night club who struck and killed a park police officer who was dirrecting traffic at an accident scene on the park way recently. atleast i told him to compare the number of people killed by drunk drivers vs sportbikes.. and go after the greater good. oh well.. hopefully he learned something. Danny On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:29:23 -0400, you wrote: >The cops don't care? Some of them should check their attitude at the door. > >I used to be a K-9 cop for the Smithsonian and while walking to the metro (I >didn't have my dog, he likes the bus, not the rail) I crossed in the >crosswalk. I spotted a police officer in cruiser and said hello. He asked >me if I had a problem which set me off. I returned with "yes, cops with bad >attitudes". He got out of his cruiser and said he was going to lock me up >for disorderly conduct. My police friend that was with me helped talk him >out of my lock up. > >Scott (Mongo) > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Motor PsychoL Danny [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:52 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Attitudes of DC cops > > >I regularly chat with DC cops down at howard mcdonalds... > >they are pretty non schelant >They're tickets are pretty low.. $50/$75 and the sort.. and they >pretty much only arrest you for wreckless driving. > >A friend of mine pulled a rolling endo into the mcdonalds parking >lot. The cop was just going to have a word with him, told my friend >he was going to write him a ticket, friend he said he doesn't care, so >the cop locked him up. the judge threw the case out yesterday because >the cop addmitted he didn't endanger anyone else and was only arrested >because he said he didnt' care about getting a ticket, wasn't speeding >etc. > >but usually the cops say they dont' care.. they dont' take their jobs >to be superhero's. they'll do their job, but only if it's a serious >issue. Theyr'e pretty much moving on to be sky martials. > >But I would take peeing in the street serious too. that's just nasty. >But if you want to wheelie around deserted streets that's on you. >that would be my attitude too if i was a cop. > >no harm, no foul. no risk, no foul. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 16:42:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EKg3HR014033; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:42:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EKg2eR014026; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:42:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Attitudes of DC cops Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:53:27 -0400 Message-ID: References: <200208141410.AA92275224@mail.toward.com> In-Reply-To: <200208141410.AA92275224@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7EKg1HR014014 They are always wearing those black stripes... on cars too. Maybe they are encouraged to wear it a whole week, and then by the number of the force, they may lose one often enough, maybe not even on duty but still.. maybe some just wear it all the time. danny On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:10:11 -0400, you wrote: >The last time I approached a DC cop was to ask about a wrecked motorcycle in the intersection in front of him. He said the rider had just been taken off in an ambulance. > >I noticed the strip of black tape on his badge and realized he'd recently lost a colleague. > >He just seemed sad, but I could understand if he was touchy about being approached. > >Chris Norloff > > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: "Scott R. Russell" >Reply-To: >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:29:23 -0400 > >>The cops don't care? Some of them should check their attitude at the door. >> >>I used to be a K-9 cop for the Smithsonian and while walking to the metro (I >>didn't have my dog, he likes the bus, not the rail) I crossed in the >>crosswalk. I spotted a police officer in cruiser and said hello. He asked >>me if I had a problem which set me off. I returned with "yes, cops with bad >>attitudes". He got out of his cruiser and said he was going to lock me up >>for disorderly conduct. My police friend that was with me helped talk him >>out of my lock up. >> >>Scott (Mongo) >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Motor PsychoL Danny [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:52 PM >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: Attitudes of DC cops >> >> >>I regularly chat with DC cops down at howard mcdonalds... >> >>they are pretty non schelant > >>They're tickets are pretty low.. $50/$75 and the sort.. and they >>pretty much only arrest you for wreckless driving. >> >>A friend of mine pulled a rolling endo into the mcdonalds parking >>lot. The cop was just going to have a word with him, told my friend >>he was going to write him a ticket, friend he said he doesn't care, so >>the cop locked him up. the judge threw the case out yesterday because >>the cop addmitted he didn't endanger anyone else and was only arrested >>because he said he didnt' care about getting a ticket, wasn't speeding >>etc. >> >>but usually the cops say they dont' care.. they dont' take their jobs >>to be superhero's. they'll do their job, but only if it's a serious >>issue. Theyr'e pretty much moving on to be sky martials. >> >>But I would take peeing in the street serious too. that's just nasty. >>But if you want to wheelie around deserted streets that's on you. >>that would be my attitude too if i was a cop. >> >>no harm, no foul. no risk, no foul. >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 16:44:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EKiDHR014331; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:44:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EKiCwF014327; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:44:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Jim Shoemaker , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Buying Back a "Totaled" Bike Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:55:37 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7EKiBHR014310 pretty easy. Tell your insurance company your'e interested in buying it back,.. or "keeping it".. hopefully you wont' get a salvage title, but you may. If so you take it the the dmv inspectors and they'll give you a streetable title after they insect that the vin # isn't altered. On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:46:36 -0400, you wrote: > > >I had a 30-40 mph lowside on my Duc M750 at Pridmore's CLASS school at VIR >last month and the insurance estimate came back at $10,000+ in parts & labor. > MSRP on the bike was about $7700 in 2000. Replacing a scratched frame (not >bent), scratched swingarm and scratched front wheel account for a substantial >part of the $10K after you factor in the 18 hours of labor involved. > >To return the bike to (substantially) pre-crash condition only requires: a >new tank, handlebars, throttle assy, right side slip on, right side footpeg, >and clutch cover. I'm estimating about $3,000 parts & labor. > >How much of a PITA is it in Virginia to buy back your bike after the >insurance co has totaled it? > > >--Jim From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 17:38:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7ELcNHR015007; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:38:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7ELcMlI014999; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:38:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 14 Aug 2002 21:38:13 GMT Message-ID: <004b01c243dc$cf71c100$6401a8c0@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Peter Hartzler" , References: Subject: Re: NOVA Go Kart Tracks? Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:51:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 > > A while back there was a discussion of NOVA Go Karting, and I alas didn't > preserve the information on where the track(s) are. A search in the > archives (Kart, 'Go Kart', 'Go-Kart') didn't turn up anything specific. > (??) > www.allsportsgp.com :) LAG From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 17:47:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7ELlRHR015337; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:47:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7ELlRMg015331; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:47:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: "Motor PsychoL Danny" Cc: Subject: RE: Attitudes of DC cops Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:43:44 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal PG County, where do you hang out and when in PG County? Scott (Mongo) 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk -----Original Message----- From: Motor PsychoL Danny [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 4:51 PM To: MacDa@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Attitudes of DC cops Oh I'll agree there are cops with bad attitudes... far too many... last night a luitenant with PG county pulled up to our hang out spot, thought he found a couple of guys he'd been watching earlier, and got out fussing. He eventually blathered on some stuff about they're not chasing us any more, they're getting the helicopitor which has a video system that will "lock on you" , that they'll file warrants for your arrest and arrest you at work, they'll put the spikes out (but they're not chasing you right?), and their helicopters go 245 MPH. To which we basicly replied yea right, yea right, yea right, yea right, yea right, and we're glad you're not chasing bikes anymore because too many people were getting hurt, riders, civilians, police officers. I tried to tell him the reason they weren't chasing bikes any more is because they hit the wrong one and got sued for millions of dollars, and that's probalby the same reason they wont' use spikes either, but he was more wrapped up into hearing himself talk. Oh yea and he blathered all pg cops were forced to sell their bikes and fast cars or get fired or reprimanded, and again I told him yea right because I know cops who didn't sell anything and are still out here. Also he let out an expletive or two. Very professional for an officer who's supposed to be conversating with citizens. Atleast the moron said "if you pull over I won't give you a ticket, that's just my thing.. I'll just give you a good ass chewing"... So i had to positively reinforce his mindset "oh really! that's pretty cool. " Of course based on his bullshit factor I wont' take that as gospel. Basicly he seemed to be making a lot of threats into trying to scare people to slow down, and doing a lot of bullshitting as if he ws looking for acceptance.. So we kind of gave him some acceptance, cut down on his bulshit factor, told him crazy sportbikes riders are a self resolving problem and that we would prefer that the police focus their attention on drunk drivers since THEY hurt so many people... damn i forgot to mention that 20 year old drunk lady leaving dream night club who struck and killed a park police officer who was dirrecting traffic at an accident scene on the park way recently. atleast i told him to compare the number of people killed by drunk drivers vs sportbikes.. and go after the greater good. oh well.. hopefully he learned something. Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 18:26:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EMQNHR015903; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:26:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EMQMP9015892; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:26:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:26:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Brakelights redux Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmm... Well, it isn't burnt-out bulbs, at least not entirely. I've replaced both bulbs with brand-new 1157s, and still only the straight filament lights (at all times) -- never the spiral filament. Anyone have any other suggestions? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 18:55:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7EMt5HR016303; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:55:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7EMt5Zg016295; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:55:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020814225502.958.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:55:02 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Moose Chain Cleaner? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01f601c243b1$d3ed1e80$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii paul wilson wrote: > kerosene and lube with good old fashioned 80-90W Gear Oil! That > stuff's > about a dollar a quart. FWIW, the ScottOil that came with my > ScottOiler > looks awfully similar to 80-90W in terms of viscosity. The ScottOil is 10w30. I use 80w95 gear oil in the oiler and it's flat-out great. I will *NEVER* use the wax garbage again [1]. I never have to clean my chain except wipe it with a towel if I feel like it. The wax product (Maxima I believe) would collect all kinds of black mess. Oil is always clean. [1] On the race bike I use PJ-1 Black because I have to. oil on the track is not appreciated by my fellow racers and if tech inspection goons see ANY oil streaks they throw a fit. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 19:41:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7ENfYHR017017; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:41:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7ENfXst017012; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:41:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:41:24 EDT Subject: my replies To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 hi everyone! bill wrote: (amongst other things..) Not enough caffiene, and I'm feeling skeptical this morning. So where is the proof you're a girl? How do we know you aren't Chuck in drag? my response: who's up for a sunday afternoon ride? (see below for more comments on a sunday ride!) no moonlight skinny dipping but meeting me is proof enough! :) harry rambled on about: For those demanding a picture of Jenn proving that she's a girl, I've posted one here: http://www.dc-cycles.org/~harry/jen.jpg There, that should clear up any ambiguity once and for all. jenns response: who in the world is harry? anyway --- thats definitely not me! my ears arent pierced! :) in addition to a whole list of differences! it does seem that harry has access to dc-cycles.org's website --- maybe if harry is generous he would post some real pics of me there to make it easier for all of you to see my pics! (non-porn/very clothed pics!) dan suggests taking: http://www.b3ta.com/femaleorshemale/ jenns score --- keep in mind -- since im a girl, i dont usually check out chics! i scored 12/16 on the quiz! ricardo's usually riding selection: 211? jenn's response: many of you have shown interest in riding sunday afternoon --- how does meeting somewhere between yet west of baltimore and dc sound? i just looked at the map -- anyone ever hear of Olney? all of you can bring your GPS's and compare while i just pay attention to where we're going! let me know your thoughts! awaiting your clever responses... jenn cute 2002 purple honda shadow vlx 600 deluxe blue bicycle -- yr unknown. 1996 purple/black rollarblades silver 1998 mitsubishi mirage (i was just trying to look cool like all'ya'all!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 19:59:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7ENxZHR017504; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:59:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7ENxYJT017494; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:59:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814195842.02c096e8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:59:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: my replies In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:41 PM 8/14/2002 -0400, Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: >jenn's response: >many of you have shown interest in riding sunday afternoon --- how does >meeting somewhere between yet west of baltimore and dc sound? i just looked >at the map -- anyone ever hear of Olney? all of you can bring your GPS's and >compare while i just pay attention to where we're going! let me know your >thoughts! > >awaiting your clever responses... I'm up for a ride on Sunday but if we could meet closer to DC that would be great as my time is, unfortunately, limited. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 20:04:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7F04CHR017821; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:04:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7F04CkI017816; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:04:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D5AF088.1090808@cox.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:06:32 -0400 From: Larry Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020512 Netscape/7.0b1 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my replies References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry runs the list - he posts about three times a year, usually worth reading like this one was. Larry (not Harry) Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: {snip} > > jenns response: > who in the world is harry? anyway --- thats definitely not me! my ears > arent pierced! :) in addition to a whole list of differences! it does seem > that harry has access to dc-cycles.org's website --- maybe if harry is > generous he would post some real pics of me there to make it easier for all > of you to see my pics! (non-porn/very clothed pics!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 20:23:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7F0N3HR018202; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:23:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7F0N3na018197; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:23:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Brakelights redux Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:23:09 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c243f2$106caf20$2d84c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Fish lamented Hmm... Well, it isn't burnt-out bulbs, at least not entirely. I've replaced both bulbs with brand-new 1157s, and still only the straight filament lights (at all times) -- never the spiral filament. Anyone have any other suggestions? [Dave] check / trace your harness(es). Is it the brakes that don't light up ? If so, is it only the lever or the pedal, or both. check for voltage at the respective end points. I found a weird item on my ZX 11, my front brake lever wouldn't light the brake light. Loose wire, connection or harness, because as I tugged on it, it began to work again... still does . HTH Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 21:21:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7F1LGHR018879; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:21:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7F1LFxe018870; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:21:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D5B0358.86E94296@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:26:48 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my replies References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > hi everyone! > > bill wrote: (amongst other things..) > Not enough caffiene, and I'm feeling skeptical this morning. So where is the > proof you're a girl? How do we know you aren't Chuck in drag? > > my response: > who's up for a sunday afternoon ride? (see below for more comments on a > sunday ride!) no moonlight skinny dipping but meeting me is proof enough! > :) Darn, no skinny dippin'. Sorry, but I'll be calling the shots & fouls at an outboard race in NC this weekend. Yeah, I get to wear the B&W striped shirt. My ride begins tommorrow AM, hop on the scoot and motor south via scenic Rt 17 thru the Dismal Swamp and more swamps. Beach? Who needs the beach when ya got cottonmouths, skeeters, and big-haired southern gals! Hmm... come to think of it, they all bite! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 14 23:48:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7F3mIHR019899; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:48:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7F3mHIl019891; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:48:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: Subject: RE: Attitudes of DC cops Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:56:13 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c24418$153899d0$4f82fea9@ticostat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Apparently-From: Rodgersmp@XXXXXX >>Maybe they are encouraged to wear it a whole week, and then by the >>number of the force, they may lose one often enough, maybe not even on >>duty but still.. maybe some just wear it all the time. Generally speaking, all cops wear the black ribbon or something similar (maybe a hatband like they do in Chicago, or garter on the sleeve, or etc) whenever any cop in the entire country dies in the line of duty. They're supposed to wear them for a week but remember it's a very tough and dangerous job, and it's a big, mean country out there. >>Oh I'll agree there are cops with bad attitudes... far too many... Yes, there are more than a few shitty cops out there, but I believe they make up the minority. I know a lot of cops, and I get to hear them talk shop pretty frequently. They'll treat you the way you treat them. This is not to say that sometimes you get a rash of shit because the LAST guy the cop pulled over was a twit, or because they've been chasing squids out of the same McDonalds parking lot all night long ... but we civilians have a lot more control over the situation than we like to believe. Obviously you will fare better if you are respectful to even the nastiest cop, but what you've done in the first place will also factor in. When a cop pulls someone over for run-of-the-mill speeding, it's one thing; but same cop, same speeder, only now twice the speed, and it's a whole different ball game. Someone during the SpellChecker Debate had mentioned forming an opinion of a person based on their proper use (or lack thereof) of the English language; it kind of works the same way. If a cop stops you for doing something blatantly reckless, you're not going to be treated with kid gloves. Again, does not cover every single cop, every single day, but generally speaking when you act like an adult, you are treated like an adult. FWIW I'm going on a training session with the Washington State Highway Patrol--- leaving tomorrow morning. I'll be sure to get all the cop-pointers I can, and I'll find the answers to the age-old (or at least couple-of-months-old) question about why motorcycle cops wear half-helmets, no leathers, and ride side-by-side. I keep meaning to ask my friends but always forget. Cheers, Patti '95 Yamaha Virago '69 BSA FireBird From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 08:47:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FClZHR023196; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:47:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FClXAh023181; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:47:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Fish Flowers , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brakelights redux Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:59:06 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7FClVHR023169 Oh so the brake lights don't come on when you hit the brakes... like dave said, check to make sure if both brake levers fail to engage the brake lights... it may be just one of the switches has gone bad.. or maybe the spring came off the rear brake... or the connectors to the braek light switches may have come off. that's my bet. Are the brake lights not coming on, or are they burning out? Danny On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:23:34 -0500 (CDT), you wrote: >On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > >> I'm not sure what you mean? Anyway check to see that the proper rated >> fuse is in the fusebox for the tail light fuse. > >Yeah, we've got the correct fuse in -- a GS500 only has one fuse, after >all, it's not hard to check. :) > >Basically, I now think there's something wrong with the electrical system >such that the brake lights don't go on when I apply the brakes. Not sure >what, though... > >Fish. >wrench wrench wrench From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 08:51:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FCplHR023349; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:51:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FCpl2P023344; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:51:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020815125145.91287.qmail@web20514.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:51:45 -0700 (PDT) From: David Subject: Message for Laura To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry to email here gang, but Laura - I don't see your email address on your post about the stuff for sale. I'd like to chat about the bedroom set - can you email me at javelin_thrwr@XXXXXX? What is Brian asking for it? David Lusk 1998 Honda Aero 1100 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 12:37:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FGbqHR024906; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:37:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FGbpkW024895; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:37:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020815163748.39073.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:37:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Scooter Article in Post To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There's an article about scooters in the Washington Post today - Style section, page c8. Or you can see the online version (no photos) at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19873-2002Aug14.html Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 12:49:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FGnUHR025113; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:49:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FGnTrN025102; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:49:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:40:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I spoke to the reporter while she was writing/researching the article. She did give a fair hardly-educated representation of the new scooter market in the DC area, as she really doesn't have much of a clue as far as scooters/motorcycles are concerned. She couldn't even get the laws 100% right, but she did okay with the minimal knowledge that she started with. All in all I give the article a solid 7. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris_vtr@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 12:38 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Scooter Article in Post There's an article about scooters in the Washington Post today - Style section, page c8. Or you can see the online version (no photos) at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19873-2002Aug14.html Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 12:53:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FGrJHR025272; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:53:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FGrJfR025264; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:53:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020815165315.77447.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:53:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post To: "Scott, Wellesley E." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Scott: Do you have a scooter? I am thinking about getting one next spring. Perhaps an older Vespa. Anyone here sell those besides Mopedland? mark --- "Scott, Wellesley E." wrote: > I spoke to the reporter while she was > writing/researching the article. She > did give a fair hardly-educated representation of > the new scooter market in > the DC area, as she really doesn't have much of a > clue as far as > scooters/motorcycles are concerned. She couldn't > even get the laws 100% > right, but she did okay with the minimal knowledge > that she started with. > All in all I give the article a solid 7. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris_vtr@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 12:38 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Scooter Article in Post > > > There's an article about scooters in the Washington > Post today - Style section, page c8. Or you can see > the online version (no photos) at: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19873-2002Aug14.html > > Chris Weaver > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 12:54:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FGseHR025434; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:54:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FGsdGg025429; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:54:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00c001c2447d$2b70aac0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <20020815163748.39073.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Scooter Article in Post Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:59:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Interesting. The Vespa cited only gets 41 mpg? Heck, my VFR gets that in the city and it's a 475-pound dry-weight--some would say pig, I say full figured ;) -- highway-worthy machine that I can use to carve through the twisties or around the track. The article says scooters "maneuver swiftly through congested traffic." Whatever could that mean: white lining and filtering? :) They mentioned $500 a year for scooter insurance. Youch. I pay less than that on the aforementioned full Tupperware beastie. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Weaver" > There's an article about scooters in the Washington > Post today - Style section, page c8. Or you can see > the online version (no photos) at: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19873-2002Aug14.html > > Chris Weaver From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 13:00:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FH0eHR025614; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:00:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FH0ejA025607; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:00:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020815170037.73122.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:00:37 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't get it. I can get a GS500e for less than $2k and insure for $200/yr. why would I want a scooter? Pity Mz got the shaft again. Mz makes some nice little buggers - scooters and bikes. Dealer is located in the heart of Fairfax. www.motorradna.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 13:01:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FH1XHR025780; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:01:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FH1W0J025773; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:01:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:58:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" In addition to my RD350, I currently own 5 vintage Vespas. What can I say? I do love the smell of 2-stroke in the morning. I would never send anyone to deal with crazy Bernie at Mopedland. Think of every bad report you've her about CPS and then multiply that by 100. The guy is a "right royal arse" as my ex-g/f used to say. Best bet for finding a Vespa is to search locally, go on word-of-mouth, talk to Motorstrada (www.motostrada.com) (Mark the owner is an avid scooterist and Ducati rider) or have one sent to you by a reputable shop/importer. I could help with any of that stuff. Cheers, Wellesley -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 12:53 PM To: Scott, Wellesley E.; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Scott: Do you have a scooter? I am thinking about getting one next spring. Perhaps an older Vespa. Anyone here sell those besides Mopedland? mark --- "Scott, Wellesley E." wrote: > I spoke to the reporter while she was > writing/researching the article. She > did give a fair hardly-educated representation of > the new scooter market in > the DC area, as she really doesn't have much of a > clue as far as > scooters/motorcycles are concerned. She couldn't > even get the laws 100% > right, but she did okay with the minimal knowledge > that she started with. > All in all I give the article a solid 7. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris_vtr@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 12:38 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Scooter Article in Post > > > There's an article about scooters in the Washington > Post today - Style section, page c8. Or you can see > the online version (no photos) at: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19873-2002Aug14.html > > Chris Weaver > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 13:16:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FHFxHR025984; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:15:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FHFxRk025976; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:15:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:13:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" A lot of people, especially those w/o cars and first time scooter owners, have no idea where to go for insurance. I know people in DC paying $50 a year and others paying $600 plus for full coverage on new $4500 scooters or vintage scooters with price tags in the $8k range. The thing with scooters is that you either want them or you don't? Some people are of the opinion that you can only crash or go fast on big bikes. I have a few friends who have scooters with 10 inch wheels that will go 100+ mph. Sure that's nothing on my RD or on most modern motorcycles, but it's a huge rush on a little 2-stroke knowing that it won't just explode on you while you're cruising along on 10 inch wheels. Due to the speed differential, it's better to crash from a scooter but scooter riders often tend to wear less protective gear than the average Squid or Harley guy. Why would you want a scooter??? Because they can be light, fast and nimble. Last year a group of us took our vintage Vespas and Lambrettas to the Dragon. All of us are pretty decent riders and we had a good mixture of tuned and stock bikes. Some scooter riders were trailing Sports Bike guys all the way through the Dragon. What was lost on the straights was quickly made up for in the turns, and there are a lot of them there. I can't choose between a motorcycle or a scooter, so I choose both.... - Wellesley -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 1:01 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post I don't get it. I can get a GS500e for less than $2k and insure for $200/yr. why would I want a scooter? Pity Mz got the shaft again. Mz makes some nice little buggers - scooters and bikes. Dealer is located in the heart of Fairfax. www.motorradna.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 13:17:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FHH1HR026145; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:17:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FHH1UZ026136; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:17:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BA55@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: Brakelights redux Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:21:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Frustrated, Fish Flowers fussed, "Hmm... Well, it isn't burnt-out bulbs, at least not entirely. I've replaced both bulbs with brand-new 1157s, and still only the straight filament lights (at all times) -- never the spiral filament. Anyone have any other suggestions?" Start looking for an open circuit -- or -- two bad brake switches or one bad switch and one misadjusted switch. Most (all?) motorcycles have two brake switches. One on the front brake, one on the rear. Easy stuff first: 1. Find the fuse box/block. Check all of the fuses closely, clean the tips and reinsert. (Make a note of the sizes to buy spares next time you're in a cheap store.) Now check for brake lights with front brake and rear brake with-the-key-on <-- verrry important, it fooled me once. <:^O Either brake should light up the rear. If fuse fussing fails to fix it: 2. See if the two wires underneath the front brake lever are hooked up (some folks unhook 'em so they can brake with the front and flash the brake light with the rear brake switch). A few bikes have only one wire going to the brake switch -- these are grounding switches -- ergo, it's a hot wire from the bulb to the switch. The switch completes the circuit by grounding it to the handlebar/frame. 3. Search for the rear brake switch (Any help from GS 500 owners?) It's likely behind the frame on the right side. It might be out of adjustment or the connection (often a spring or length of wire) to the rear brake pedal may have fallen off. When you depress the pedal, you should hear a click. If everything is connected and you still get no brake light, from either switch. Then. Hot foot over to Wal-Mart/AutoZone/HomeDepot/RadioShack and plunk down no more than $11 on a multimeter. Or, find someone who'll loan you theirs. Flukes are good. 4. Put the meter on "Ohms", touch the tips and see the needle swing (or the digital read out change) Hook the tips to the front brake connectors (you might need help), pull the lever and see if you get some meter action. If you only have one wire, connect one meter tip to ground, the other to the switch terminal o If meter action then, the front brake switch is good. o If none, dang, that might be expensive (but ask where the best online Suzuki parts prices are -- or you might tear into the switch, clean it up and reassemble. Watch for little bitty springs!!). 5. Connect one meter tip to "ground" (e.g. bike frame/ negative batt terminal) touch the other tip to one then the other wire leading to the front brake switch. If you get no meter action, on one of them, you have an open circuit to the bulb. If it's a one wire switch, go to 6. 6. If you get meter action: Switch the meter to "DC Volts", turn on the ignition and touch the meter tip to the wire that didn't give any Ohm action. That one should be the "hot" side going to the front brake switch. If no voltage, you've got an open connection. 7. Chasing the open connection: Pop the saddle, and start removing plastic stuff that covers up wires. You might get lucky and find a connector that was accidentally left unconnected. Or you might find wire that shorted out against the frame. (Any help from GS 500 owners?) 8. For the rear brake switch, just repeat 4 - 6 but, you already knew that now that you're an electrical wizard. 8^D Carl in Bethesda (From the gummimint and here to hep) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 13:23:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FHNbHR026313; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:23:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FHNbQP026308; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:23:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020815132141.00ba5468@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:23:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:13 PM 8/15/2002 -0400, Scott, Wellesley E. wrote: >A lot of people, especially those w/o cars and first time scooter owners, >have no idea where to go for insurance. I know people in DC paying $50 a >year and others paying $600 plus for full coverage on new $4500 scooters or >vintage scooters with price tags in the $8k range. > >The thing with scooters is that you either want them or you don't? Some >people are of the opinion that you can only crash or go fast on big bikes. >I have a few friends who have scooters with 10 inch wheels that will go 100+ >mph. Sure that's nothing on my RD or on most modern motorcycles, but it's a >huge rush on a little 2-stroke knowing that it won't just explode on you >while you're cruising along on 10 inch wheels. Due to the speed >differential, it's better to crash from a scooter but scooter riders often >tend to wear less protective gear than the average Squid or Harley guy. > >Why would you want a scooter??? Because they can be light, fast and nimble. >Last year a group of us took our vintage Vespas and Lambrettas to the >Dragon. All of us are pretty decent riders and we had a good mixture of >tuned and stock bikes. Some scooter riders were trailing Sports Bike guys >all the way through the Dragon. What was lost on the straights was quickly >made up for in the turns, and there are a lot of them there. > >I can't choose between a motorcycle or a scooter, so I choose both.... > >- >Wellesley We rented some scooters while we were down in the Caribbean and they are a blast. I wouldn't trade my bike in for one but adding one to my stable some time in the future would be fun. And you're right about tiny wheels, whatever speed you're going is greatly exaggerated. Going 30mph on a scooter feels like you're flying. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 13:29:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FHTXHR026474; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:29:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FHTX8A026469; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:29:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020815172931.5145.qmail@web9405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: MSF Advice To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm taking the MSF Class this weekend at the Loudoun NVCC Campus - Any general advice? What is the parking situation like, and do I really nead to get a permit to park? They ask for boots that cover the ankle - will my hiking boods (which come over the ankle) be acceptable? Thanks, Brian Ray __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 13:35:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FHZdHR026649; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:35:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FHZdpt026645; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:35:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020815133241.00bafbe0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:35:31 -0400 To: Brian Ray , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: MSF Advice In-Reply-To: <20020815172931.5145.qmail@web9405.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:29 AM 8/15/2002 -0700, Brian Ray wrote: >I'm taking the MSF Class this weekend at the Loudoun >NVCC Campus - Any general advice? > >What is the parking situation like, and do I really >nead to get a permit to park? don't think you need a permit while you're attending the class. If nothing else, the instructors will take care of it for you. >They ask for boots that cover the ankle - will my >hiking boods (which come over the ankle) be >acceptable? should be ok. Maybe we all ought to swing by on Saturday and root Brian on! p.s. If you see a blue/white REAL shiny Dyna Wide Glide with an (obviously) really cool guy riding it...that's me coming by for moral support. I sometimes swing by and watch the class for a few minutes if I'm out and about. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 13:41:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FHf6HR026830; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:41:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FHf52r026822; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:41:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <013201c24483$a7a7ed00$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Brian Ray" , References: <20020815172931.5145.qmail@web9405.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MSF Advice Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:45:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 A couple of things about Loudoun- You do need a 3-day parking permit. The coaches will tell you where to go to get it. Gear - Boots/shoes that cover the ankles, long sleeves, long pants, full-fingered gloves and eye protection. Helmets are available, or bring your own DOT approved, 3/4 or full face helmet. No shorties; that's a new wrinkle this year. Hiking boots are fine, even preferred over riding boots. Just make sure your laces are under control so they don't get caught on bike parts. That's what I wear on the range. You'll be standing more than you'll be sitting on a bike, so comfort is key. I'd recommend some sort of hydration device, like a CamelBak, a wide brimmed hat and sunscreen. It must have been 100+ on the range last week and there's no shade. Ugh. Paul in DC MSF guy in VA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Ray" To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 1:29 PM Subject: MSF Advice > I'm taking the MSF Class this weekend at the Loudoun > NVCC Campus - Any general advice? > > What is the parking situation like, and do I really > nead to get a permit to park? > > They ask for boots that cover the ankle - will my > hiking boods (which come over the ankle) be > acceptable? > > Thanks, > > Brian Ray From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 13:45:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FHj3HR026984; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:45:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FHj3f5026980; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:45:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020815174455.54649.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:44:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii you know what pisses me off? when scooter riders fail to return a wave. i mean, shit, if i've taken the time and energy to wave at what is arguably someone not worthy of a wave, at least return the favor and lift your goddamn pansy-ass hand. -- tg ;) --- "Scott, Wellesley E." wrote: > A lot of people, especially those w/o cars and first time > scooter owners, > have no idea where to go for insurance. I know people in > DC paying $50 a > year and others paying $600 plus for full coverage on new > $4500 scooters or > vintage scooters with price tags in the $8k range. > > The thing with scooters is that you either want them or > you don't? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 13:52:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FHqCHR027170; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:52:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FHqBna027160; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:52:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Subject: RE: MSF Advice Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:52:04 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664090F1@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: MSF Advice Thread-Index: AcJEgWgef2JrCBfeSbWNp4Zd5w7jnQAAjrai From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "Brian Ray" , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7FHqAHR027143 I took my MSF class at Laudon earlier this year. (still don't have a bike though... ugh... ) Yes, you do need to get a 3 day parking pass and it will cost you. I don't remember the cost but I think it was $15. Being a cheapass that I am, I just parked across rt 7 at the mall parking lot. The weekend I took the class was extremely hot, so bring something to eat and drink. It will help you deal with the heat. Witold www.witold.org -----Original Message----- From: Brian Ray [mailto:bdaleray@XXXXXX] Sent: Thu 8/15/2002 1:29 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: MSF Advice I'm taking the MSF Class this weekend at the Loudoun NVCC Campus - Any general advice? What is the parking situation like, and do I really nead to get a permit to park? They ask for boots that cover the ankle - will my hiking boods (which come over the ankle) be acceptable? Thanks, Brian Ray __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 13:57:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FHvLHR027331; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:57:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FHvL4N027325; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:57:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F7C7@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MSF ERT Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:58:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Do you have to get a parking pass for the experienced rider training? If so they do realize this pass will be on a bike unlike DC's lil problem right? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 14:00:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FI0eHR027500; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:00:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FI0ef1027491; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:00:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:57:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Ohhhhhh, that was you waving? I figured you were waving at the herd of cows in the car in front of me. I didn't have your number handy so I just passed your e-mail. I hope you don't mind.... Wucca, wucca, wucca.... -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 1:45 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post you know what pisses me off? when scooter riders fail to return a wave. i mean, shit, if i've taken the time and energy to wave at what is arguably someone not worthy of a wave, at least return the favor and lift your goddamn pansy-ass hand. -- tg ;) --- "Scott, Wellesley E." wrote: > A lot of people, especially those w/o cars and first time > scooter owners, > have no idea where to go for insurance. I know people in > DC paying $50 a > year and others paying $600 plus for full coverage on new > $4500 scooters or > vintage scooters with price tags in the $8k range. > > The thing with scooters is that you either want them or > you don't? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 14:10:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FIAWHR027694; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:10:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FIAVfj027689; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:10:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020815181029.66645.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:10:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: MSF ERT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F7C7@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You don't need a permit for the ERC, assuming you're taking your bike there and not a car (and since you need to ride your own bike as part of the course...). I took it 2 weeks ago, and the info they sent me left me w/ the impression that I was going to have to park at meters when not doing the riding portion of the course. However, that was not the case. They had us park our bikes on the range, no permits required. And really, given the amount of empty parking spots there on the weekend, I'm not sure why anyone should need to get a permit. But I guess if it makes NVCC $ ... Was a great class. jib --- Rich Hall wrote: > Do you have to get a parking pass for the > experienced rider training? > If so they do realize this pass will be on a bike > unlike DC's lil problem > right? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 17:24:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FLOQHR028951; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:24:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FLOP8n028938; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:24:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb6eT/nkoR4vVYtzKYjI0DUGFpZ74ANdH6aeEnpwAFg/NssrO7a2ekBpddtCbuCA8w= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:24:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c244a2$20782290$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal A smiley, Tom....are you feeling ok? -----Tom Gimer wrote: -- tg ;) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 17:27:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FLR6HR029102; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:27:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FLR5DU029098; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:27:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020815212703.69560.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:27:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: <000d01c244a2$20782290$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i included the smiley so that all of the pansy-assed scooter-riders would know i was smiling as i typed.... --- Jon Strang wrote: > A smiley, Tom....are you feeling ok? > > -----Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > -- > tg ;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 17:34:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FLYBHR029314; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:34:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FLYB74029310; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:34:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZK9YlF8lYrLQ8ibJxq5f3ZvX4S+u2OT1+ExmqpHD00fMayyEmL+zxgjDPjYU9Vtp0= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'DC Cycles \(E-mail\)'" Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:34:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c244a3$7db076f0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020815212703.69560.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal I just wish they'd duck when I pass 'em. They keep knocking back my bar-end mirrors. Good thing I got the LS (Lane Split) version. --jon ;-) ----- Tom Gimer wrote: i included the smiley so that all of the pansy-assed scooter-riders would know i was smiling as i typed.... --- Jon Strang wrote: > A smiley, Tom....are you feeling ok? > > -----Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > -- > tg ;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 19:01:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7FN1AHR030398; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:01:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7FN19NQ030385; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:01:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020815230107.7160.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:01:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, "'DC Cycles \(E-mail\)'" In-Reply-To: <000e01c244a3$7db076f0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jon Strang wrote: > I just wish they'd duck when I pass 'em. > > They keep knocking back my bar-end mirrors. > Good thing I got the LS (Lane Split) version. > > --jon ;-) > pansy-asses into the side > of an SUV> while public ridicule may be perfectly reasonable (if not encouraged), i believe bodily injury is beyond the call.... you should be ashamed of yourself > ----- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > i included the smiley so that all of the pansy-assed > scooter-riders would know i was smiling as i typed.... > > --- Jon Strang wrote: > > A smiley, Tom....are you feeling ok? > > > > -----Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > > > > -- > > tg ;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 20:38:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7G0cWHR031141; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:38:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7G0cUtL031122; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:38:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.242.155.156] From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: My bike going? :( Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:37:22 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2002 00:37:22.0706 (UTC) FILETIME=[15EB8720:01C244BD] Hi all, to all of my friends... a depressing note. My bike looks like it's going to be sold, and i am no longer on two wheels :( life is a bitch sometimes... how depressing. Pierfrancesco _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 21:32:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7G1WSHR031681; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:32:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7G1WRAJ031670; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:32:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: Some pics of my helmets :) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:32:33 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2002 01:31:21.0315 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0480B30:01C244C4] Here is a link to 2 helmets i did. My own helmets :) http://www.pileofgarbage.com/lidz.html Anyway, if anyone wants the american flag thing done on their helmet email me, i can do that one pretty well. Without the dark stripes. Ricardo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 22:55:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7G2tKSi001852; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:55:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7G2tEBT001838; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:55:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001101c244cf$c4532ea0$5e372c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Kilimanjaro Jacket / Hypertex Pants Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:51:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Anyone own either of these? Would you be willing to give it/them an evaluation for me? I'm interested in: -Weather Protection -How it handles v.hot/v.cold days -Quality of construction: -will it hold up for more than a year of all wx riding? -any crash experiences and how does it hold up? -Can the overpants be worn with just shorts? Thanks, Todd (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 23:18:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7G3IXSi002123; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:18:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7G3IXOK002118; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:18:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001b01c244d3$07708cc0$5e372c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:14:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:24:23 -0400 A smiley, Tom....are you feeling ok? -----Tom Gimer wrote: -------------------------------------- Yeah, I was a little startled by that too. :-| Here's one that really pissed me off the other day. Hot as hell (or August in DC, take your pick) and I'm nearing my exit off the FFax Cty Pkwy and suddenly all traffic slows. I'm thinking, "must be a cop". But it keeps slowing and I peer around the drivers' side vehicles in front, seeing nothing that would cause this reaction. All of a sudden the truck in front of me weaves and passes a bicyclist just tooling along and nearly two feet in the road! Guy was decked out in that skin tight flashy lycra and swept back helmet, just pumping away. This is a posted 50mph roadway folks! For those that don't know it, there is a perfectly good bicycle path that runs nearly the ENTIRE length of the Pkwy. Why? Why is this numb-nut risking his life needlessly? Oh wait, he has the right of way. Bleh! T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 15 23:21:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7G3LGSi002284; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:21:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7G3LGtP002278; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:21:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002001c244d3$694ae760$5e372c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: And the Hein Gericke "El Chott" jacket Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:17:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Anybody got one of these fine looking Tuareg garments? T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 10:51 PM Subject: Kilimanjaro Jacket / Hypertex Pants > Anyone own either of these? Would you be willing to give it/them an > evaluation for me? I'm interested in: > > -Weather Protection > -How it handles v.hot/v.cold days > -Quality of construction: > -will it hold up for more than a year of all wx riding? > -any crash experiences and how does it hold up? > -Can the overpants be worn with just shorts? > > Thanks, > Todd (Springfield, VA) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 06:12:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GACUSi004697; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:12:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GACTbI004685; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:12:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020816101227.1039.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:12:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post To: Todd Peer , AA DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <001b01c244d3$07708cc0$5e372c42@c9rnf01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Peer wrote: > Here's one that really pissed me off the other day. Hot > as hell (or August > in DC, take your pick) and I'm nearing my exit off the > FFax Cty Pkwy and > suddenly all traffic slows. I'm thinking, "must be a > cop". But it keeps > slowing and I peer around the drivers' side vehicles in > front, seeing nothing that would cause this reaction. > > All of a sudden the truck in front of me weaves and > passes a bicyclist just > tooling along and nearly two feet in the road! Guy was > decked out in that > skin tight flashy lycra and swept back helmet, just > pumping away. This is a > posted 50mph roadway folks! > > For those that don't know it, there is a perfectly good > bicycle path that > runs nearly the ENTIRE length of the Pkwy. > > Why? Why is this numb-nut risking his life needlessly? > Oh wait, he has the right of way. Bleh! grape-smuggling bastard! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 06:37:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GAb3Si005084; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:37:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GAb2LO005079; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:37:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:36:23 -0400 Subject: From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles , Brian Ward Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Last week end I attended the Moto Guzzi national rally in way upstate New York. Nice time-- but more importantly I met a guy who is now my motorcycle hero. J.R. is from Hesperia, California, is 74 years old and when I met him, he had been on the road for a month--all by himself. He rides a 71 ex police bike he bought at auction for $350 in 74. The bike has 289,000 miles on it and tows a small trailer containing is kit. He said he thinks he will be home by Labor Day. If not, he will hole up until the traffic clears. I surely hope I still out there with knees in the breeze at that age and still enjoying it as much as J.R. seems to. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 06:43:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GAh9Si005395; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:43:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GAh9Hb005389; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:43:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 05:43:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Brakes, again Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The Score So Far: GS500 3, Fish 0. Because I am an idiot I forgot to print out everyone's suggestions yesterday before I headed home, so while I've not done all the testing that people recommended, I did do some of it. In the hopes that my results Mean Something to Someone. Front: Switch (lever): lever completes circuit regardless of ignition status. Nice clicky sound. Lines: complete circuit if ignition off; no circuit if ignition on. Rear: Switch (pedal): No circuit regardless of ignition status. No clicky sound. Lines: compete circuit at all times, regardless of ignition status. So. Any hints? Sounds like there may be something funky goin' on with my rear brake, but then how come the front brake lever doesn't light off the taillights? (Things I Forgot To Check But Should: taillight sockets, voltages across lines and switches.) Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 08:14:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GCE2Si006106; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:14:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GCE0lp006085; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:14:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <70.215d24af.2a8e467d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:13:49 EDT Subject: Sunday ride To: jkop@XXXXXX, adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jayblockllc@XXXXXX, javelin_thrwr@XXXXXX, ricardo@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 hi everyone! im not sure who all is interested in meeting. here's the deal. i'll be in Olney about 3pm where route 97 and Olney Sandy Spring Road / Olney Laytonsville Road meet. There's a shopping plaza on the south west corner of this intersection. that's where i'll be. I've never been to harpers ferry so i think that will be our destination. i've never arranged a ride before. so i hope im doing this right! if you're in the baltimore area and want to meet up with me prior, let me know. if you have any questions -- call me 410.902.1715. (no stalkers please!) :) hope to see many of you there! jenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 08:18:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GCINSi006507; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:18:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GCINaG006501; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:18:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:17:28 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: ricardo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Some pics of my helmets :) Message-ID: <7354C0AA.36AE2E4C.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wow. Those look awesome. You said you're just starting this? Too bad I don't have any helmets that currently need a paint job. :-( Scooter In a message dated Thu, 15 Aug 2002 8:32:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, ricardo@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > Here is a link to 2 helmets i did. My own helmets :) > > http://www.pileofgarbage.com/lidz.html > > > Anyway, if anyone wants the american flag thing done on > their helmet email > me, i can do that one pretty well. Without the dark stripes. > > Ricardo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 08:45:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GCjgSi007032; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:45:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GCjglt007028; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:45:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020816124539.58706.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 05:45:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post To: Todd Peer , AA DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <001b01c244d3$07708cc0$5e372c42@c9rnf01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chuck? I am no biker, but the bike path is a terrible place to train if you are trying to ride fast. Too many kids, curves, etc. Like it or not, they have the right of way. Why not a little consideration Todd. After all, people may have similar ideas about motorcycles. --- Todd Peer wrote: > From: "Jon Strang" > To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" > Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post > Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:24:23 -0400 > > A smiley, Tom....are you feeling ok? > > -----Tom Gimer wrote: > > > -------------------------------------- > Yeah, I was a little startled by that too. :-| > > Here's one that really pissed me off the other day. > Hot as hell (or August > in DC, take your pick) and I'm nearing my exit off > the FFax Cty Pkwy and > suddenly all traffic slows. I'm thinking, "must be > a cop". But it keeps > slowing and I peer around the drivers' side vehicles > in front, seeing > nothing that would cause this reaction. > > All of a sudden the truck in front of me weaves and > passes a bicyclist just > tooling along and nearly two feet in the road! Guy > was decked out in that > skin tight flashy lycra and swept back helmet, just > pumping away. This is a > posted 50mph roadway folks! > > For those that don't know it, there is a perfectly > good bicycle path that > runs nearly the ENTIRE length of the Pkwy. > > Why? Why is this numb-nut risking his life > needlessly? Oh wait, he has the > right of way. Bleh! > > T > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 08:48:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GCmYSi007335; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:48:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GCmY7G007323; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:48:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 05:47:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: AA DC Cycles Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post In-Reply-To: <20020816124539.58706.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020816054618.G12457-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > I am no biker, but the bike path is a terrible place > to train if you are trying to ride fast. Too many > kids, curves, etc. > > Like it or not, they have the right of way. Why not a > little consideration Todd. After all, people may have > similar ideas about motorcycles. Except motorcycles are faster than cars and don't impede traffic flow. Bicyclists do. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 08:49:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GCniSi007663; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:49:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GCnijW007659; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:49:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020816124942.85260.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 05:49:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Sunday ride To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, jkop@XXXXXX, adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jayblockllc@XXXXXX, javelin_thrwr@XXXXXX, ricardo@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <70.215d24af.2a8e467d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would highly recommend that you do not lead the ride. Newbie's leading rides generally leads to crashes. Mark --- Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > hi everyone! > > im not sure who all is interested in meeting. > here's the deal. i'll be in > Olney about 3pm where route 97 and Olney Sandy > Spring Road / Olney > Laytonsville Road meet. There's a shopping plaza on > the south west corner of > this intersection. that's where i'll be. I've > never been to harpers ferry > so i think that will be our destination. > > i've never arranged a ride before. so i hope im > doing this right! if you're > in the baltimore area and want to meet up with me > prior, let me know. if you > have any questions -- call me 410.902.1715. (no > stalkers please!) :) > > hope to see many of you there! > jenn > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 08:52:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GCqVSi007969; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:52:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GCqVFr007964; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:52:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020816125229.85596.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 05:52:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post To: Wayne Edelen , AA DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020816054618.G12457-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, I figured you would understand that I knew that. Pretty obvious I think? My point is that people hate motorcycles too. They have their (supposed) good reasons they should not be on the road. Change the law if you have a problem with it. Complaining here does nothing. --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > I am no biker, but the bike path is a terrible > place > > to train if you are trying to ride fast. Too many > > kids, curves, etc. > > > > Like it or not, they have the right of way. Why > not a > > little consideration Todd. After all, people may > have > > similar ideas about motorcycles. > > Except motorcycles are faster than cars and don't > impede traffic flow. > Bicyclists do. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 08:53:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GCrJSi008277; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:53:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GCrIBQ008266; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:53:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: toddbpeer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kilimanjaro Jacket / Hypertex Pants Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:53:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2002 12:53:11.0409 (UTC) FILETIME=[E098FE10:01C24523] Todd, I have the Kilimanjaro jacket and have used it for about 4 years. I had the matching pants, but they have been retired, with honors, due to (literally) saving my ass. In a nutshell: Great rain protection. I have ridden several hundred miles in the rain while wearing the Kilimanjaro coat with little (if any) leakage. This includes riding from Gaithersburg to New York, via the NJ Turnpike and GS Parkway in pouring rain. I even got creamed by some numbnut who cut over from left to right where 95/495 splits off at Wilmington. (The guy came across the center divider and put up a sheet of water that went over my head and came down like a breaker at Nag's Head.) I didn't get wet, other than a little leakage around the neck. Great cold weather protection. I used it for a couple of years with the liner to keep me warm down to about freezing. It seals up nicely, and the liner is pretty nice - I would take it out of the jacket and wear it when I went out for lunch (walking, not riding.) However, when I got the electric vest, I more or less retired the liner. The vest, inside the jacket shell is awesome. I have ridden fairly long distances in cold weather and not had any problems. On a related note - that sucker is HOT in the summer, especially in weather like we're having now. Even with the vents open, it doesn't help much. I would open the vents and run the zipper, from the bottom and the top, to a point at mid-chest, to flow the maximum air. As long as you're moving it's no worse than anything else, but if you have to stop for any length of time, you will get hot. Overall, I have been pleased with the quality of the item. It has held up well to a lot of miles and a lot of weather. It has also held up to a 40mph high-side I managed to accomplish on 1/1/99. To make a long story short, I went off the bike in a full starfish cartwheel, shoulder rolled and came down on my right buttcheek and slid about 50 yards down the road, eventually onto a gravel shoulder and then the grass. Every part of me that touched ground was armored. There was a slight scuff on the right elbow of the jacket, and the right hip area of the pants looked like someone had taken a razor to it - one single, very smooth cut. However, the cut did not penetrate to the inner layer. I had no bruising, other than my right foot and a pulled bicep on my left arm. I tried to clean up the pants, but the dirt was so ground into the butt it seems hopeless. Also, the area around the cut was very scuffed. In theory, the pants could be patched and worn. I opted to buy the HG Boost pants as a replacement (they didn't have the FG pants in stock at the time.) I do NOT recommend the HG pants except maybe for all day touring. They do not have the full length leg zippers, making it all but impossible to put on/take off without removing your boots. The First Gear pants, on the other hand, are very easy to put on/take off. You could absolutely wear just shorts with the overpants. Oh, BTW, the overpants come with a removeable liner. I did. And never found the need to put it back in. With the liner in, you'd probably be good down to about zero degrees. Again, they are HOT in warmer weather. Currently, I use the FG Sport Tour Overpants (Summer) which are very nicely perf'ed leather for anything other than cold weather and a Technic perf'ed leather for summer riding. I carry a rainsuit to put on over the leathers, if needed. I use the Kilimanjaro for 3 seasons riding. No rainsuit needed. Hope this helps. Perry >From: "Todd Peer" >To: "AA DC Cycles" >Subject: Kilimanjaro Jacket / Hypertex Pants >Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:51:05 -0400 > >Anyone own either of these? Would you be willing to give it/them an >evaluation for me? I'm interested in: > >-Weather Protection >-How it handles v.hot/v.cold days >-Quality of construction: > -will it hold up for more than a year of all wx riding? > -any crash experiences and how does it hold up? >-Can the overpants be worn with just shorts? > >Thanks, >Todd (Springfield, VA) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 09:04:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GD4fSi008687; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:04:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GD4ehK008676; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:04:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020816130436.54846.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:04:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Sunday ride To: Mark Kitchell , Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020816124942.85260.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the crash percentages are likely higher when newbies are following --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I would highly recommend that you do not lead the > ride. Newbie's leading rides generally leads to > crashes. > > Mark > > --- Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > hi everyone! > > > > im not sure who all is interested in meeting. > > here's the deal. i'll be in > > Olney about 3pm where route 97 and Olney Sandy > > Spring Road / Olney > > Laytonsville Road meet. There's a shopping plaza on > > the south west corner of > > this intersection. that's where i'll be. I've > > never been to harpers ferry > > so i think that will be our destination. > > > > i've never arranged a ride before. so i hope im > > doing this right! if you're > > in the baltimore area and want to meet up with me > > prior, let me know. if you > > have any questions -- call me 410.902.1715. (no > > stalkers please!) :) > > > > hope to see many of you there! > > jenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 09:10:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GDAHSi009005; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:10:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GDAHBU009000; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:10:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020816131015.88565.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:10:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Sunday ride To: Tom Gimer , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020816130436.54846.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Very good point Tom. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > the crash percentages are likely higher when newbies > are > following > > > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I would highly recommend that you do not lead the > > ride. Newbie's leading rides generally leads to > > crashes. > > > > Mark > > > > --- Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > hi everyone! > > > > > > im not sure who all is interested in meeting. > > > here's the deal. i'll be in > > > Olney about 3pm where route 97 and Olney Sandy > > > Spring Road / Olney > > > Laytonsville Road meet. There's a shopping > plaza on > > > the south west corner of > > > this intersection. that's where i'll be. I've > > > never been to harpers ferry > > > so i think that will be our destination. > > > > > > i've never arranged a ride before. so i hope im > > > doing this right! if you're > > > in the baltimore area and want to meet up with > me > > > prior, let me know. if you > > > have any questions -- call me 410.902.1715. (no > > > stalkers please!) :) > > > > > > hope to see many of you there! > > > jenn > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 09:11:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GDBsSi009306; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:11:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GDBsX0009297; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:11:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:15:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Givi rapture Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This seems like a no-brainer, but, I thought I'd share anyhow. I've been commuting on the bike and throwing the ever present computer bag over my shoulder. I've found that it isn't the most comfortable way to ride. The bag, even with the straps pulled tight, doesn't really do a good job of sitting in one place on my back, and the weight, even with a fairly light machine, is unpleasant. Course, silly me -- the previous owner of my scoot had installed a Givi wing rack. I had the bags, just hasn't bothered digging one out. I finally did this morning and am quite happy with the result. Put the top bag on -- it makes the bike look a bit goofy and shifts the suspension loading some, as expected, but makes the ride a whole lot easier, overall. Now, if the weather would just cooperate and cool off just a bit, life would be good. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 09:13:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GDD4Si009597; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:13:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GDD4nD009590; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:13:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaFMuv9Zt2l089+BsvBT0XedVsik1PwsltzMEW0szgk+FgOlIVK+dqpZwvfleU+isw= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'DC Cycles \(E-mail\)'" Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:13:01 -0400 Message-ID: <004501c24526$a6cef510$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <20020815230107.7160.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal No personal injury, just the *whap* as the back of the pansy-assed Kmart helmet puts my mirrors into the folded position, and the *thunk* of pansy-to-SUV contact. When I'm good, I can get the mirrors out before the next pansy-ass. Sometimes I vary my speed, and try to make interesting rhythms...whap, thunk, whap, thunk, whap, thunk, whap, whap, thunk, whap, thunk....while I hum a cheerful tune. --jon -----Tom Gimer wrote: --- Jon Strang wrote: > I just wish they'd duck when I pass 'em. > > They keep knocking back my bar-end mirrors. > Good thing I got the LS (Lane Split) version. > > --jon ;-) > pansy-asses into the side > of an SUV> while public ridicule may be perfectly reasonable (if not encouraged), i believe bodily injury is beyond the call.... you should be ashamed of yourself From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 09:17:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GDHQSi009907; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:17:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GDHPEA009897; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:17:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F843@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 395 HOV Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:18:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I learned the hard way you can't catch the HOV portion of 395 leaving the city on 15th St last night. There's no "Authorized Vehicle Only" cut through until almost Shirlington. Damn right I was authorized at that point. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 09:18:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GDIoSi010197; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:18:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GDIoJo010193; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:18:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 16 Aug 2002 13:18:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20020816131848.16202.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Scooter Article in Post X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) MK suggests - ... >My point is that people hate motorcycles too. They >have their (supposed) good reasons they should not be >on the road. >Change the law if you have a problem with it. >Complaining here does nothing. [Dave] I accidentally responded only to Todd... FWIW, I spoke to my buddy who is a former Low Down County deputy (no, his name is not FIFE!). He advised calling #77. A bicyclist on a 50mph road, is a hazard and a traffic infraction. He advised that he had a similar situation a few years back. Was headed back to the courthouse, came upon a long line of cars crawling along up a hill. After 15 minutes he got up to the 'obstruction', a bicyclist. Lights, siren, stops bicyclist. Cars whiz by, Kevin goes up to him starts in with 'Howdy,... stopped you because there was a mile long line of cars... just pull over and let the faster traffic pass every so often, have a nice... Then the bicyclist interrupts with "I have just as much right to the road as they do..." 15 minutes later, Mr. Bicyclist is on his way with a citation for impeding traffic. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 09:20:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GDKfSi010509; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:20:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GDKeiL010501; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:20:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F844@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: "'DC Cycles (E-mail)'" Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:21:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I came very close to punching the old lady bicycling the wrong way on a one way street, running a red light, of course there was no light the way she was going, which might explain her surprise as to why she was almost hit by a car, then didn't like that I was taking up her precious sidewalk. At least the Kmart helmet she was wearing might have helped her. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:13 AM To: 'DC Cycles (E-mail)' Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post No personal injury, just the *whap* as the back of the pansy-assed Kmart helmet puts my mirrors into the folded position, and the *thunk* of pansy-to-SUV contact. When I'm good, I can get the mirrors out before the next pansy-ass. Sometimes I vary my speed, and try to make interesting rhythms...whap, thunk, whap, thunk, whap, thunk, whap, whap, thunk, whap, thunk....while I hum a cheerful tune. --jon -----Tom Gimer wrote: --- Jon Strang wrote: > I just wish they'd duck when I pass 'em. > > They keep knocking back my bar-end mirrors. > Good thing I got the LS (Lane Split) version. > > --jon ;-) > pansy-asses into the side > of an SUV> while public ridicule may be perfectly reasonable (if not encouraged), i believe bodily injury is beyond the call.... you should be ashamed of yourself From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 09:33:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GDX6Si010858; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:33:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GDX6cL010851; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:33:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020816133303.45556.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:33:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Givi rapture To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I hear you. I have the big ass Givi rack and large bags on my 91 VFR. In years past I would only install the rack when taking a trip and quickly remove it for the sake of esthetics. Now that I live in DC and commute on the bike daily, not to mention numerous restaurant, video store, porn shop runs, I keep a top-bag on there pretty much full time. Is it ugly? Yes. Is it convenient. Very much. Mark --- "Daniel H. Brown" <brown@XXXXXX> wrote: > > > This seems like a no-brainer, but, I thought I'd > share anyhow. > > I've been commuting on the bike and throwing the > ever present computer bag > over my shoulder. I've found that it isn't the most > comfortable way to > ride. The bag, even with the straps pulled tight, > doesn't really do a good > job of sitting in one place on my back, and the > weight, even with a fairly > light machine, is unpleasant. > > Course, silly me -- the previous owner of my scoot > had installed a Givi > wing rack. I had the bags, just hasn't bothered > digging one out. I > finally did this morning and am quite happy with the > result. Put the top > bag on -- it makes the bike look a bit goofy and > shifts the suspension > loading some, as expected, but makes the ride a > whole lot easier, overall. > > Now, if the weather would just cooperate and cool > off just a bit, life > would be good. > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 09:36:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GDaxSi011180; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:36:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GDawr7011175; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:36:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jim Shoemaker Subject: Re: Scooter Article in Post To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.7 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:36:52 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020816054618.G12457-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 05:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > I am no biker, but the bike path is a terrible place > > to train if you are trying to ride fast. Too many > > kids, curves, etc. > > > > Like it or not, they have the right of way. Why not a > > little consideration Todd. After all, people may have > > similar ideas about motorcycles. I still manage to squeeze in about 2,000 miles/yr on my pedal bike and I wouldn't ride it on the FFX County pkwy if you paid me. It's scary enough on a m/c. I do almost all my riding on roads vs. paths, because for the most part, paths suck for training. However, riding on a major commuter road is just taking unnecessary risks. Yes, that cyclist was "right" to be out there, soon though he may be dead right. A little common sense goes a long way towards self-preservation. > > Except motorcycles are faster than cars and don't impede traffic flow. > Bicyclists do. I could make the counter argument that car impede traffic flow. :-) If everyone were on motorcycles & bikes, just think how much room we'd have to move around in :-) --Jim From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 09:42:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GDgYSi011525; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:42:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GDgXwj011520; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:42:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:41:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: AA DC Cycles Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post In-Reply-To: <20020816125229.85596.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020816063918.W12457-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Yeah, I figured you would understand that I knew that. > Pretty obvious I think? You didn't mention it, so I did. After the posting confusion I experienced when posting satire here, I don't take the reader's intelligence for granted ;-) ;-) > My point is that people hate motorcycles too. They > have their (supposed) good reasons they should not be > on the road. > > Change the law if you have a problem with it. > Complaining here does nothing. I could not care less :-) if there are bicyclists on the road. I was simply pointing out the obvious. Sounds like you had a big ass cup of bitter with your breakfast this AM. You should go to time-out with Gimer or kick your dog or something. Might make you feel better. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 09:43:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GDhZSi011822; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:43:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GDhZfx011811; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:43:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009c01c2452b$a63078e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Todd Peer" , "dc-cycles list" References: <001b01c244d3$07708cc0$5e372c42@c9rnf01> Subject: Re: Scooter Article in Post Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:47:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Bike paths suck (debris, bumps, skateboarders, skaters, runners, dog-walkers, daisy pickers) but I agree that the FFX Pkwy. is not an appropriate venue for bicycling, legal or not. The better places to ride are roads like MacArthur Blvd. with a nice wide shoulder. You can ride at a good pace without bothering anyone. Now if we could just get those slow-ass cagers out of the way. Inconsiderate road users come in all shapes, sizes and vehicle types, it would seem. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F - 91 Cannondale Road Bike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Peer" > > All of a sudden the truck in front of me weaves and passes a bicyclist just > tooling along and nearly two feet in the road! Guy was decked out in that > skin tight flashy lycra and swept back helmet, just pumping away. This is a > posted 50mph roadway folks! > > For those that don't know it, there is a perfectly good bicycle path that > runs nearly the ENTIRE length of the Pkwy. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 09:44:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GDiZSi012120; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:44:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GDiZHw012113; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:44:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020816094108.02329bd0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:43:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Scooter Article in Post In-Reply-To: References: <20020816054618.G12457-100000@magoo.noid.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:36 AM 8/16/2002, Jim Shoemaker wrote: >Yes, that cyclist was "right" to be out there, >soon though he may be dead right. A little common sense goes a long way >towards self-preservation. It is just as hazardous on the little back roads I commute on. Daily I have encounters with walkers and joggers on little roads like Colchester and Newman through Clifton. Bicycles aren't so bad - they can generally keep up with traffic flow (or at least the posted speed limit) but I can't tell you how many times I have come around a curve, tucked in, enjoying life, to have a jogger in the middle of my lane; or worse yet : a jogger in the middle of the other lane, and a car in my lane. Jog or walk on roads that are not residential and 1.5 widths wide - you are asking for serious trouble. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 09:46:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GDkGSi012419; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:46:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GDkFaj012411; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:46:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:46:08 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664090F6@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Scooter Article in Post Thread-Index: AcJFI+LDeyPBdLRQTiuTSvAn1MbELgABUTRw From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "Wayne Edelen" , "AA DC Cycles" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7GDkESi012399 Arlington Cy is a complete maze, road-wise. Trying to bicycle there without accidentaly running onto semi-highways is a navigational nightmare. I put 1000s of miles on my road bicycle and I would like to say two things. First, bike paths are NOT bike-paths but "multi-purpose trails". They are dangerous when a serious cyclist is trying to keep his average at 20mph+ and can get up to 50mph downhill. That's why we use roads. Second, to all the little crybabies that got to work the whole 60 seconds late because they had to slow down and pass me: you have an attitude problem. If you can't deal with the road conditions and share it with others, take public transportation. I ride about 15 miles into the city via Lee Highway, and most everyone is more than accepting of me. Witold www.witold.org PS. I'm still bikeless! (motorcycle-less) -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 8:52 AM To: Wayne Edelen; AA DC Cycles Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Yeah, I figured you would understand that I knew that. Pretty obvious I think? My point is that people hate motorcycles too. They have their (supposed) good reasons they should not be on the road. Change the law if you have a problem with it. Complaining here does nothing. --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > I am no biker, but the bike path is a terrible > place > > to train if you are trying to ride fast. Too many > > kids, curves, etc. > > > > Like it or not, they have the right of way. Why > not a > > little consideration Todd. After all, people may > have > > similar ideas about motorcycles. > > Except motorcycles are faster than cars and don't > impede traffic flow. > Bicyclists do. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 09:47:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GDloSi012707; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:47:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GDlnj7012703; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:47:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:47:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Scooter Article in Post In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020816064627.J12457-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Jim Shoemaker wrote: > > Except motorcycles are faster than cars and don't impede traffic flow. > > Bicyclists do. > > I could make the counter argument that car impede traffic flow. :-) If > everyone were on motorcycles & bikes, just think how much room we'd have to > move around in :-) > > --Jim Preach on, Brother Jim! :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 09:51:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GDpvSi013021; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:51:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GDpuix013010; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:51:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020816094831.00bb88f8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:51:48 -0400 To: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" , "Mark Kitchell" , "Wayne Edelen" , "AA DC Cycles" From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664090F6@rnc1.rnchq.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:46 AM 8/16/2002 -0400, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: >Arlington Cy is a complete maze, road-wise. Trying to bicycle there >without accidentaly running onto semi-highways is a navigational nightmare. > >I put 1000s of miles on my road bicycle and I would like to say two >things. First, bike paths are NOT bike-paths but "multi-purpose >trails". They are dangerous when a serious cyclist is trying to keep his >average at 20mph+ and can get up to 50mph downhill. That's why we use roads. > >Second, to all the little crybabies that got to work the whole 60 seconds >late because they had to slow down and pass me: you have an attitude >problem. If you can't deal with the road conditions and share it with >others, take public transportation. I ride about 15 miles into the city >via Lee Highway, and most everyone is more than accepting of me. so....it's ok to impede traffic? And it can be a lot more than 60 seconds....we followed a blue hair in a big Buick on West Ox road for over two miles...she was going 10mph! Had to have at least 20 cars behind her. Blocking traffic is blocking traffic, just because you have a "right" to be there doesn't give you the right to block or impede traffic flow. Maintain an acceptable speed to maintain traffic flow or pull over. I don't care if it's one,two,three or four wheels. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 09:54:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GDsZSi013341; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:54:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GDsY9a013336; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:54:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:57:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ride In-Reply-To: <70.215d24af.2a8e467d@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jenn: I've ridden with groups before, and it can be a lot of fun, but can also be nervewracking. A suggestion, gleaned partly from being a scuba diver -- you might want to talk to the people you're riding with /before/ you ride, regarding skill levels, stopping and waiting at corners, the route you're taking, whether people have their licenses, paperwork, insurance cards, etc and who, if anyone, has first aid and/or first response training. Divers call this a "pre-dive briefing," and they're usually lead by the divemaster, which is someone who is (generally) familiar with the dive site. One of the big scuba mags, Rodale's, has a monthly column reporting about the circumstances of a particular dive accident. More often than not, some permutation of "didn't pay attention to pre-dive briefing" is noted as one of the causes. Having a planned route and printed route sheets (directions, maps, etc) for people might be good too. That will take some planning, but should help keep things organized. See www.mapquest.com and such for help with that. On rides where there have been a mixed set of skills, I've found that one of the more experienced riders in the front, who knows the route and is good at setting a reasonable pace, and another at the back, watching for trouble, with the newer riders in the middle seems like a good plan. Having some way for the front and back riders to communicate is good too. You'll find that the more experienced people will tend towards riding faster than the less experienced. The newer hands will also tend towards wanting to go FAST in the straights to catch up, and then will do a lot of slowing for corners. I think, and this is just my opinion, this can lead to over cooking the corners, which, again, my opinion only, is one of the big factors which can contribute to causing crashes on group rides. One suggestion, that I've seen in action and have found personally seems reasonable, have the lead experienced rider go purposefully SLOWER on the straights so people don't have to rush the corners in order to keep up. MSF BRC teaches that crashes generally have multiple factors that add up as causes -- there's no need to make "I was going faster than I felt comfortable with because couldn't keep up" be one of those factors. You might want to check out: http://www.clarity.net/~adam/the-pace.txt Which I think has some good thoughts about keeping the speed reasonable and keeping riders safe. You may have noticed that people are somewhat leary of group rides -- there have been too many posts in the past with crash reports after such things, enough such that many folks here are completely unwilling to ride with people they don't know, especially in the group ride situation. I hope that your ride is safe and that you can report on pleasant experiences when you return. Good luck. Keep the shiny side up! On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:13:49 EDT > From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX > To: jkop@XXXXXX, adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, > jayblockllc@XXXXXX, javelin_thrwr@XXXXXX, > ricardo@XXXXXX > Subject: Sunday ride > > hi everyone! > > im not sure who all is interested in meeting. here's the deal. i'll be in > Olney about 3pm where route 97 and Olney Sandy Spring Road / Olney > Laytonsville Road meet. There's a shopping plaza on the south west corner of > this intersection. that's where i'll be. I've never been to harpers ferry > so i think that will be our destination. > > i've never arranged a ride before. so i hope im doing this right! if you're > in the baltimore area and want to meet up with me prior, let me know. if you > have any questions -- call me 410.902.1715. (no stalkers please!) :) > > hope to see many of you there! > jenn > > > > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 09:55:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GDt3Si013638; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:55:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GDt2Ld013631; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:55:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZqabP6K/It6o8QkzDk59ch6PZh+OeNX9pdKDg6HFBuFAKUBE7fAqQ5yVqtAPLThM0= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:54:59 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01c2452c$833dfaf0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664090F6@rnc1.rnchq.org> Importance: Normal Witold, Please work on making your trolls a bit more subtle and leave the over the top baiting to others (TG, MK, CP, etc). --jon -----Witold Chrabaszcz wrote: Second, to all the little crybabies that got to work the whole 60 seconds late because they had to slow down and pass me: you have an attitude problem. If you can't deal with the road conditions and share it with others, take public transportation. I ride about 15 miles into the city via Lee Highway, and most everyone is more than accepting of me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 10:00:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GE0iSi013968; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:00:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GE0hhV013961; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:00:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020816140041.69319.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:00:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Sunday ride To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wow Dan. Thats what I call contributing to the list. Good job. --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > > Jenn: > > I've ridden with groups before, and it can be a lot > of fun, but can also be > nervewracking. > > A suggestion, gleaned partly from being a scuba > diver -- you might want to > talk to the people you're riding with /before/ you > ride, regarding skill > levels, stopping and waiting at corners, the route > you're taking, whether > people have their licenses, paperwork, insurance > cards, etc and who, if > anyone, has first aid and/or first response > training. Divers call this a > "pre-dive briefing," and they're usually lead by the > divemaster, which is > someone who is (generally) familiar with the dive > site. One of the big > scuba mags, Rodale's, has a monthly column reporting > about the > circumstances of a particular dive accident. More > often than not, some > permutation of "didn't pay attention to pre-dive > briefing" is noted as one > of the causes. > > Having a planned route and printed route sheets > (directions, maps, etc) for > people might be good too. That will take some > planning, but should help > keep things organized. See www.mapquest.com and > such for help with that. > > On rides where there have been a mixed set of > skills, I've found that one > of the more experienced riders in the front, who > knows the route and is > good at setting a reasonable pace, and another at > the back, watching for > trouble, with the newer riders in the middle seems > like a good plan. > Having some way for the front and back riders to > communicate is good too. > You'll find that the more experienced people will > tend towards riding > faster than the less experienced. The newer hands > will also tend towards > wanting to go FAST in the straights to catch up, and > then will do a lot of > slowing for corners. I think, and this is just my > opinion, this can lead > to over cooking the corners, which, again, my > opinion only, is one of the > big factors which can contribute to causing crashes > on group rides. One > suggestion, that I've seen in action and have found > personally seems > reasonable, have the lead experienced rider go > purposefully SLOWER on the > straights so people don't have to rush the corners > in order to keep up. > MSF BRC teaches that crashes generally have multiple > factors that add up as > causes -- there's no need to make "I was going > faster than I felt > comfortable with because couldn't keep up" be one of > those factors. > > You might want to check out: > http://www.clarity.net/~adam/the-pace.txt > Which I think has some good thoughts about keeping > the speed reasonable and > keeping riders safe. > > You may have noticed that people are somewhat leary > of group rides -- there > have been too many posts in the past with crash > reports after such things, > enough such that many folks here are completely > unwilling to ride with > people they don't know, especially in the group ride > situation. I hope > that your ride is safe and that you can report on > pleasant experiences when > you return. > > Good luck. Keep the shiny side up! > > > On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:13:49 EDT > > From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX > > To: jkop@XXXXXX, adamme1@XXXXXX, > dc-cycles@XXXXXX, > > jayblockllc@XXXXXX, > javelin_thrwr@XXXXXX, > > ricardo@XXXXXX > > Subject: Sunday ride > > > > hi everyone! > > > > im not sure who all is interested in meeting. > here's the deal. i'll be in > > Olney about 3pm where route 97 and Olney Sandy > Spring Road / Olney > > Laytonsville Road meet. There's a shopping plaza > on the south west corner of > > this intersection. that's where i'll be. I've > never been to harpers ferry > > so i think that will be our destination. > > > > i've never arranged a ride before. so i hope im > doing this right! if you're > > in the baltimore area and want to meet up with me > prior, let me know. if you > > have any questions -- call me 410.902.1715. (no > stalkers please!) :) > > > > hope to see many of you there! > > jenn > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 10:01:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GE15Si014162; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:01:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GE15OV014156; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:01:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020816140103.12951.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:01:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services , Mark Kitchell , Wayne Edelen , AA DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664090F6@rnc1.rnchq.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > > Second, to all the little crybabies that got to work the > whole 60 seconds late because they had to slow down and > pass me: you have an attitude problem. If you can't deal > with the road conditions and share it with others, take > public transportation. I ride about 15 miles into the > city via Lee Highway, and most everyone is more than > accepting of me. > > Witold > www.witold.org > > PS. I'm still bikeless! (motorcycle-less) with THAT attitude, i suggest you find a motorcycle quickly, or we'll be forced to ask harry to 86 your spiteful, pedaling, lane-hogging ass.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 10:01:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GE1tSi014565; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:01:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GE1tBb014554; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:01:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020816140153.46097.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:01:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post To: Wayne Edelen , AA DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020816063918.W12457-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tom, do you have a dog I could kick? --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > I could not care less :-) if there are bicyclists on > the road. I was > simply pointing out the obvious. Sounds like you > had a big ass cup of > bitter with your breakfast this AM. > > You should go to time-out with Gimer or kick your > dog or something. Might > make you feel better. > > :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 10:02:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GE2gSi014852; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:02:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GE2gbv014846; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:02:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020816140239.76777.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:02:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Kilimanjaro Jacket / Hypertex Pants To: Todd Peer , AA DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <001101c244cf$c4532ea0$5e372c42@c9rnf01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have the Kenya jacket (similar - just shorter) and the Hypertex pants. In order of your questions: -Excellent. I've been in torrential downpours and only my hands and feet got wet. I might have treated them with some water repellent when I first got them though - I can't recall. -The pants will be sticky on very hot days. I wouldn't recommend them for wear above about 85 or so, but I'm a weather pansy. The jacket is good for hotter temps due to the (pretty good) vents. Depends on how much you hate to sweat. Cold days the pants are very good - the zip out liner is excellent. The jacket is pretty good in this weather too - probably down to about 35 or so depending on wussiness. -Undoubtedly. I used to use these exclusively for my riding and they've held up great. The pockets on the pants have flaps over them and a little of the stitching has come away on these flaps - nothing that affects the weatherproofness or appearance though. The jacket has held up great. -No crash data, thankfully. There's foam 'armor' in the knees, hips, shoulders, elbows and back. -These are not "overpants" per se. They're just pants (based on sizing). If you got yours a little bigger than you normally wear, you'd be fine with just shorts or jeans for that matter (or just your underoos). The interior of the pants is smooth nylon so they might stick to you a little if you get sweaty. All in all a great value. However, there are parts of the design I find very fiddly and over-engineered. The vents on the jacket are a pain in the ass with all the velcro they put on them. Probably helps in cold weather though I guess. The pants have two nearly useless buttons on the bottom of the zip-in liner - these will come unsnapped too easily. These niggles aside, I think it's a good set of gear. Chris Weaver --- Todd Peer wrote: > Anyone own either of these? Would you be willing to > give it/them an > evaluation for me? I'm interested in: > > -Weather Protection > -How it handles v.hot/v.cold days > -Quality of construction: > -will it hold up for more than a year of all wx > riding? > -any crash experiences and how does it hold up? > -Can the overpants be worn with just shorts? > > Thanks, > Todd (Springfield, VA) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 10:04:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GE4ISi015153; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:04:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GE4I7Z015145; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:04:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jim Shoemaker Subject: Re: Scooter Article in Post To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.7 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:04:12 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004f01c2452c$833dfaf0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit No, No, please... let's start a raging flame war on m/c's vs. bicycles vs. cars and how we all have equal right to the roads!!!!! --Jim 2 wheels good, regardless of motor size. On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:54:59 -0400 "Jon Strang" wrote: > Witold, > > Please work on making your trolls a bit more subtle and leave the over the > top baiting to others (TG, MK, CP, etc). > > --jon > > -----Witold Chrabaszcz wrote: > > Second, to all the little crybabies ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 10:04:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GE4NSi015186; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:04:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GE4Nm3015181; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:04:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F84D@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday ride Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:05:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jenn, Don't get discouraged, earlier this summer a group of about 10 of us went out to the Huddle Club, er I mean Harpers Ferry. I was one of them. I didn't know anyone in the group. I think others knew some of the people. The roads to Harpers Ferry are somewhat relaxed and most will ride that way. It was a crash free event. Have fun. Here's the directions I saved from that trip, w/ a suggestion that came afterwards: > West on 7 to 28 south, Right on > Old Ox Rd (621), right on Evergreen Mills Rd (621), > right on King St (15n), The bypass is not much fun at all, IMHO. Instead, may I suggest an alternative. If you go left on 15 for a few miles, you can turn right at "Lowest Price Gas" (Harmony Church Rd., aka Rt. 704). That will bring you out on Rt. 7 Business in Hamilton. Take a right, and then your first left, and you're back on 704. I don't know Hirst road, but 704 is great fun. You can then take Rt. 9 West, and go... > right on > Harpers Ferry Rd (671), left on 340W, cross the bridge > and take the first right on to Shenandoah St into > Harpers Ferry. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 10:05:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GE58Si015743; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:05:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GE589b015737; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:05:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:04:46 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664090F7@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Scooter Article in Post Thread-Index: AcJFLBNznPAmecQmQna4ld9NVW4CTAAAEtOw From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "Aki Damme" , "Mark Kitchell" , "Wayne Edelen" , "AA DC Cycles" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7GE57Si015725 My point is that there will always be slower and faster people on the road. Sometimes it's you, sometimes it's me. Get over it and get used to it. The fanthom world of perfect road conditions , perfect drivers, and a tiered system of speedlimits and roads will never be realized. I courteously suggest that you turn all that built up energy towards something positive, instead of bitching about little things. Personally, when I drive and get suck behind a blue-hair, I don't get all hot-and-bothered about it and let it ruin my day as it seems to ruin yours :) Witold -----Original Message----- From: Aki Damme [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:52 AM To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services; Mark Kitchell; Wayne Edelen; AA DC Cycles Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post At 09:46 AM 8/16/2002 -0400, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: >Arlington Cy is a complete maze, road-wise. Trying to bicycle there >without accidentaly running onto semi-highways is a navigational nightmare. > >I put 1000s of miles on my road bicycle and I would like to say two >things. First, bike paths are NOT bike-paths but "multi-purpose >trails". They are dangerous when a serious cyclist is trying to keep his >average at 20mph+ and can get up to 50mph downhill. That's why we use roads. > >Second, to all the little crybabies that got to work the whole 60 seconds >late because they had to slow down and pass me: you have an attitude >problem. If you can't deal with the road conditions and share it with >others, take public transportation. I ride about 15 miles into the city >via Lee Highway, and most everyone is more than accepting of me. so....it's ok to impede traffic? And it can be a lot more than 60 seconds....we followed a blue hair in a big Buick on West Ox road for over two miles...she was going 10mph! Had to have at least 20 cars behind her. Blocking traffic is blocking traffic, just because you have a "right" to be there doesn't give you the right to block or impede traffic flow. Maintain an acceptable speed to maintain traffic flow or pull over. I don't care if it's one,two,three or four wheels. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 10:06:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GE6GSi016050; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:06:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GE6FXx016045; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:06:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F84E@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: AA DC Cycles Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:07:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think you should go kick a bicyclist. Rich 94 Seca II 95 Diamond Back Mountain Bike (listed for humor impaired) -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 10:02 AM To: Wayne Edelen; AA DC Cycles Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Tom, do you have a dog I could kick? --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > I could not care less :-) if there are bicyclists on > the road. I was > simply pointing out the obvious. Sounds like you > had a big ass cup of > bitter with your breakfast this AM. > > You should go to time-out with Gimer or kick your > dog or something. Might > make you feel better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 10:06:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GE6HSi016075; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:06:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GE6G3h016067; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:06:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020816140557.32147.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:05:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post To: Mark Kitchell , Wayne Edelen , AA DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020816140153.46097.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sorry. looks like it's time-out time (7 days) for you.... --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Tom, do you have a dog I could kick? > > --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > > I could not care less :-) if there are bicyclists on > > the road. I was > > simply pointing out the obvious. Sounds like you > > had a big ass cup of > > bitter with your breakfast this AM. > > > > You should go to time-out with Gimer or kick your > > dog or something. Might > > make you feel better. > > > > :-) > > > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 10:06:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GE6gSi016623; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:06:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GE6gVi016614; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:06:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020816140639.28481.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:06:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Kilimanjaro Jacket / Hypertex Pants To: Perry Coleman , toddbpeer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FYI The Hypertex pants I have do NOT have a zipper down the leg. They're just riding pants, not overpants. I think these were an early version of what they now sell as overpants. Chris Weaver --- Perry Coleman wrote: > I do NOT recommend the > HG pants except maybe > for all day touring. They do not have the full > length leg zippers, making it > all but impossible to put on/take off without > removing your boots. The First > Gear pants, on the other hand, are very easy to put > on/take off. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 10:09:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GE9JSi016923; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:09:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GE9IGB016917; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:09:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:08:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ride In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020816070401.X12457-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > You may have noticed that people are somewhat leary of group rides -- there > have been too many posts in the past with crash reports after such things, > enough such that many folks here are completely unwilling to ride with > people they don't know, especially in the group ride situation. I hope > that your ride is safe and that you can report on pleasant experiences when > you return. > > Good luck. Keep the shiny side up! Great suggestions, Dan. In our group of 7-8 of us that ride regularly together, there is a mixed set of motorcycles, skill levels and riding styles. We generally put the fastest people in the front and let everyone fall in as they feel comfortable behind the faster riders. We have a printed route and will always stop and regroup at any time where there is a road change. This ensures the fastest of the group can go as fast as they want and the slowest in the group won't get lost. It has worked well so far for us. As Dan suggested, always try to get to know the people you're riding with before the ride. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 10:10:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GEA3Si017220; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:10:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GEA3Qs017216; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:10:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:09:57 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664DB06A@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Scooter Article in Post Thread-Index: AcJFLi61U9iMuIjzTBCVKW9V5iZ+xwAAGQfA From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "Rich Hall" , "AA DC Cycles" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7GEA2Si017204 Hehehehe... My extra-padded lycra shorts will ease some of the pain, should I be the one who gets kicked... Witold -----Original Message----- From: Rich Hall [mailto:RichH@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 10:07 AM To: AA DC Cycles Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post I think you should go kick a bicyclist. Rich 94 Seca II 95 Diamond Back Mountain Bike (listed for humor impaired) -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 10:02 AM To: Wayne Edelen; AA DC Cycles Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Tom, do you have a dog I could kick? --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > I could not care less :-) if there are bicyclists on > the road. I was > simply pointing out the obvious. Sounds like you > had a big ass cup of > bitter with your breakfast this AM. > > You should go to time-out with Gimer or kick your > dog or something. Might > make you feel better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 10:11:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GEBmSi017515; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:11:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GEBlB8017508; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:11:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:11:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2002 14:11:40.0824 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7A0B180:01C2452E] What I hate is when the line of traffic manages to get past the slow-ass bicyclist and then stops at a light, only to have the slow-ass bicyclist squeeze up the shoulder and get in front of everyone all over again. At least when a motorcyclist filters to the front, s/he will tend to pull ahead of all the cars, when the light changes. Perry >From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" >To: "Aki Damme" , "Mark Kitchell" >, "Wayne Edelen" , "AA DC >Cycles" >Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post >Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:04:46 -0400 > > >My point is that there will always be slower and faster people on the road. > Sometimes it's you, sometimes it's me. Get over it and get used to it. >The fanthom world of perfect road conditions , perfect drivers, and a >tiered system of speedlimits and roads will never be realized. > >I courteously suggest that you turn all that built up energy towards >something positive, instead of bitching about little things. Personally, >when I drive and get suck behind a blue-hair, I don't get all >hot-and-bothered about it and let it ruin my day as it seems to ruin yours >:) > >Witold > >-----Original Message----- >From: Aki Damme [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:52 AM >To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services; Mark Kitchell; Wayne >Edelen; AA DC Cycles >Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post > > >At 09:46 AM 8/16/2002 -0400, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services >wrote: > > >Arlington Cy is a complete maze, road-wise. Trying to bicycle there > >without accidentaly running onto semi-highways is a navigational >nightmare. > > > >I put 1000s of miles on my road bicycle and I would like to say two > >things. First, bike paths are NOT bike-paths but "multi-purpose > >trails". They are dangerous when a serious cyclist is trying to keep his > >average at 20mph+ and can get up to 50mph downhill. That's why we use >roads. > > > >Second, to all the little crybabies that got to work the whole 60 seconds > >late because they had to slow down and pass me: you have an attitude > >problem. If you can't deal with the road conditions and share it with > >others, take public transportation. I ride about 15 miles into the city > >via Lee Highway, and most everyone is more than accepting of me. > > >so....it's ok to impede traffic? And it can be a lot more than 60 >seconds....we followed a blue hair in a big Buick on West Ox road >for over two miles...she was going 10mph! Had to have at least 20 cars >behind her. Blocking traffic is blocking traffic, just >because you have a "right" to be there doesn't give you the right to block >or impede traffic flow. Maintain an acceptable >speed to maintain traffic flow or pull over. I don't care if it's >one,two,three or four wheels. > >-aki > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 10:19:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GEJ2Si017857; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:19:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GEJ26q017848; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:19:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020816101346.00bc8a30@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:18:53 -0400 To: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" , "Mark Kitchell" , "Wayne Edelen" , "AA DC Cycles" From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664090F7@rnc1.rnchq.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:04 AM 8/16/2002 -0400, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: >My point is that there will always be slower and faster people on the >road. Sometimes it's you, sometimes it's me. Get over it and get used to >it. The fanthom world of perfect road conditions , perfect drivers, and a >tiered system of speedlimits and roads will never be realized. > >I courteously suggest that you turn all that built up energy towards >something positive, instead of bitching about little things. Personally, >when I drive and get suck behind a blue-hair, I don't get all >hot-and-bothered about it and let it ruin my day as it seems to ruin yours :) > >Witold Witold, you seem to missing the entire point. It's not a matter of "ruining" anyones day. It's a matter of common sense and courtesy. If one is blocking the road going less than half the posted speed limit, it should occur to the most dense of bipeds to pull over and let traffic pass. You see that done often with dump trucks, busses and mail carriers. I have no problems with bicycles on the road, rarely do they cause a problem with me. But getting on a soapbox demanding that they have the same rights as everyone else then demonstrating that by blocking the flow of traffic is just plain stupid, inconsiderate and dangerous. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 10:28:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GESlSi018179; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:28:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GESlFo018175; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:28:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006901c24531$f6a333c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Daniel H. Brown" , References: Subject: Re: Givi rapture Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:33:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel H. Brown" > > Course, silly me -- the previous owner of my scoot had installed a Givi > wing rack. I had the bags, just hasn't bothered digging one out. I > finally did this morning and am quite happy with the result. Put the top > bag on -- it makes the bike look a bit goofy and shifts the suspension > loading some, Increase the preload if it's affecting your suspension severely, just as you would when carrying a passenger. FWIW, when doing a suspension set-up I measure the sag with just me, and me plus loaded Givis. I then know where to reset the suspension when touring. Of course, I just changed the rear shock, so I have to run through that exercise again. I have Givis and love 'em. I don't know how I got along without them. I carried a whole Thanksgiving dinner for six home last year, including a 15-lb bird. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 10:48:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GEmeSi018566; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:48:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GEmejC018561; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:48:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:48:21 -0400 Subject: Re: 395 HOV From: Stephen Miller To: Rich Hall , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F843@SERVER1> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit You have to make a left on Jefferson from 15th, and then a right on 14th, then stay in the left lane all the way. If you need to get on 14th South from points East, in my experience the best route is to take Constitution to 15th, left on 15th (there's a left turn lane and green arrow), then left on Jefferson and right on 14th. on 8/16/02 9:18 AM, Rich Hall at RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > > I learned the hard way you can't catch the HOV portion of 395 leaving the > city on 15th St last night. There's no "Authorized Vehicle Only" cut > through until almost Shirlington. Damn right I was authorized at that > point. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 10:52:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GEqLSi018889; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:52:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GEqLHL018881; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:52:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020816105038.022d9670@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:52:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Online D205s? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Having trouble finding an online retailer carrying Dunlop 205s. Checked MAW, Kneedraggers and Arizona Motorsports so far. I'd go local, but this spring when I re-shoed, all the local shops wanted me to bend over and grease up paying 20-30% more than the online guys.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 10:55:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GEtbSi019188; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:55:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GEtaHa019181; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:55:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:54:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Online D205s? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020816105038.022d9670@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: <20020816075330.V12457-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Troutman wrote: > Having trouble finding an online retailer carrying Dunlop 205s. Checked > MAW, Kneedraggers and Arizona Motorsports so far. I'd go local, but this > spring when I re-shoed, all the local shops wanted me to bend over and > grease up paying 20-30% more than the online guys.... I had a good experience using Chaparral for my BT010 rear on the 'Busa. They're at http://www.chaparral-racing.com/ I think I paid $109 for the 190/50 rear, most local places wanted $180-$200. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 11:02:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GF2GSi019522; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:02:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GF2FRv019517; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:02:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:05:23 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Online D205s? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020816105038.022d9670@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.parts411.com/acb/showprod.cfm?&DID=9&CATID=70&ObjectGroup_ID=2976 http://www.chaparralmotorsports.com/menu_search_results.asp?UID=&PAGLEN=10&SKW=DUNSTD205&categoryId=10.3.7.5 I have used chapparal and have been happy with their service. Dan On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Troutman wrote: > Having trouble finding an online retailer carrying Dunlop 205s. Checked > MAW, Kneedraggers and Arizona Motorsports so far. I'd go local, but this > spring when I re-shoed, all the local shops wanted me to bend over and > grease up paying 20-30% more than the online guys.... > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 11:03:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GF36Si019705; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:03:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GF36W4019701; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:03:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sportsbike question Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:00:49 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208161100494G.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was over at CPS Woodbridge and I noticed the "roller skate brakes" around where the knees would be. Are they there for support or is it a lever for removing the shell? Asking instead of searching. Thanks, Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 11:05:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GF5qSi020009; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:05:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GF5qKx020004; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:05:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Online D205s? content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:04:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A6419623026A1DCC@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Online D205s? Thread-Index: AcJFNlsc/IT5u7qwSyunEKjVMyg3uQ== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7GF5pSi019987 You may want to check out D220's from Dunlop, I think they are replacing the D205's George 02 VFR >>> Troutman 08/16/02 10:52AM >>> Having trouble finding an online retailer carrying Dunlop 205s. Checked MAW, Kneedraggers and Arizona Motorsports so far. I'd go local, but this spring when I re-shoed, all the local shops wanted me to bend over and grease up paying 20-30% more than the online guys.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 11:06:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GF6TSi020201; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:06:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GF6SQj020188; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:06:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020816150626.79997.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:06:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Sportsbike question To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0208161100494G.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Its to protect the fairing if you go down. --- Carl Schelin wrote: > I was over at CPS Woodbridge and I noticed the > "roller skate brakes" around > where the knees would be. Are they there for support > or is it a lever for > removing the shell? > > Asking instead of searching. > > Thanks, > > Carl > -- > Carl Schelin > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 11:08:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GF8iSi020595; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:08:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GF8i4k020590; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:08:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020816150841.31461.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:08:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Knapik Subject: Re: Sunday ride To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <70.215d24af.2a8e467d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jenn, Thanks for going to all the trouble of putting together a ride. See you at the shopping plaza!! Tom --- Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > hi everyone! > > im not sure who all is interested in meeting. > here's the deal. i'll be in > Olney about 3pm where route 97 and Olney Sandy > Spring Road / Olney > Laytonsville Road meet. There's a shopping plaza on > the south west corner of > this intersection. that's where i'll be. I've > never been to harpers ferry > so i think that will be our destination. > > i've never arranged a ride before. so i hope im > doing this right! if you're > in the baltimore area and want to meet up with me > prior, let me know. if you > have any questions -- call me 410.902.1715. (no > stalkers please!) :) > > hope to see many of you there! > jenn > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 11:10:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GFAmSi020904; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:10:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GFAlki020893; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:10:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [64.12.102.33] From: "Natasha Louis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:10:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2002 15:10:40.0865 (UTC) FILETIME=[15A81510:01C24537] I just have one (or two, lol) comment about the idiot and his woman that ride their scooter to work each day. Dude, a red light is a red light, it means STOP. I see this couple driving down Massachusetts Ave each morning. When I used to drive to work still, I almost hit them once because they swerved over into my lane right in front of me without even looking. This guy gives lane splitting a whole new name. I have at least twice since I have been taking the bus seen them almost get hit by cars when they ran red lights. They might also want to think about upgrading to full face helmets. With the little ones they are using right now, one crash and little missy will lose her face. I guess they don't know what road rash looks like yet. I just hate it when people who don't know a thing about motorcycles get them and then give the rest of us bad reputations. Natasha EARA #84 www.eararacing.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 11:10:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GFAxSi021086; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:10:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GFAx9m021081; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:10:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020816110749.0228da50@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:08:45 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Online D205s? In-Reply-To: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A6419623026A1DCC@nt-hqexbh1.boiseo ffice.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:04 AM 8/16/2002, George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: >You may want to check out D220's from Dunlop, I think they are replacing >the >D205's Thanks - I am ordering a set from http://www.casporttouring.com/ right now thanks to Mr. Caplan. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 11:15:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GFFvSi021604; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:15:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GFFvW6021599; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:15:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sportsbike question Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:13:43 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020816150626.79997.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020816150626.79997.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208161113434H.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Err, I'll have to look at it again. I didn't think it stuck that far out. It looked like it was a bit short for someone to put their knees on unless you were really tucked in. Carl On Friday 16 August 2002 11:06, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Its to protect the fairing if you go down. > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > I was over at CPS Woodbridge and I noticed the > > "roller skate brakes" around > > where the knees would be. Are they there for support > > or is it a lever for > > removing the shell? > > > > Asking instead of searching. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Carl > > -- > > Carl Schelin > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 11:28:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GFSoSi022091; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:28:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GFSoeZ022083; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:28:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:28:48 -0400 Subject: Anyplace local to get a Torque Wrench Calibrated? From: Rob Curtis To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I got a Matco "clicker"... Anyone? Bueler? Thanks- Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 11:35:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GFZ6Si022419; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:35:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GFZ5iH022413; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:35:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVall5ZpNGelX1OSkkaITHLnUORiCu5i1LJTnPBjwwt4SDJ20C5KqgLFiC+zyDqwJLM= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Troutman'" , "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Online D205s? Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:35:02 -0400 Message-ID: <005801c2453a$7d865310$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020816105038.022d9670@mail.wheatintl.com> Importance: Normal www.chaparral-racing.com has been working well for me... --jon -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 10:52 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Online D205s? Having trouble finding an online retailer carrying Dunlop 205s. Checked MAW, Kneedraggers and Arizona Motorsports so far. I'd go local, but this spring when I re-shoed, all the local shops wanted me to bend over and grease up paying 20-30% more than the online guys.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 11:56:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GFubSi023170; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:56:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GFuboA023163; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:56:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020816155635.2194.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:56:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Sportsbike question To: Carl Schelin , Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0208161113434H.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Carl, Those are called "frame sliders." They're intended to minimize frame and bodywork damage if (when) the rider crashes and the bike is sliding along the tarmac. The idea is that the slider takes the damage and abrasion. They don't come stock on any bikes I can think of except maybe the new Aprilia Tuono. That's usually an aftermarket addition. Chris Weaver --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Err, I'll have to look at it again. I didn't think > it stuck that far out. It > looked like it was a bit short for someone to put > their knees on unless you > were really tucked in. > > Carl > > On Friday 16 August 2002 11:06, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Its to protect the fairing if you go down. > > > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > > I was over at CPS Woodbridge and I noticed the > > > "roller skate brakes" around > > > where the knees would be. Are they there for > support > > > or is it a lever for > > > removing the shell? > > > > > > Asking instead of searching. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Carl > > > -- > > > Carl Schelin > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > http://www.hotjobs.com > > -- > Carl Schelin > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 11:58:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GFwKSi023367; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:58:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GFwJGZ023359; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:58:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:01:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664090F7@rnc1.rnchq.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:04:46 -0400 > Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post > > My point is that there will always be slower and faster people on the road. > 'Least the right-of-way rules aren't like they are for boats. Can you imagine having to remember whether or not you have to let the guy on the starboard side pass if its a motorcycle, unless you're in a channel where a semi-truck can't maneuver... etc :-) > I courteously suggest that you turn all that built up energy towards >something positive, instead of bitching about little things. Personally, >when I drive and get suck behind a blue-hair, I don't get all >hot-and-bothered about it and let it ruin my day as it seems to ruin yours >:) Ah, so you must be from the TG school of double yellow passing... -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 12:21:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GGLMSi026051; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:21:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GGLL1I026046; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:21:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <013301c24541$ae05c640$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Natasha Louis" , References: Subject: Re: Scooter Article in Post Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:16:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Your comments are well taken. When I read the article, the "look at me" factor seemed to be high on their scorecard. A poor motivation for being on two wheels, in my book..... Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Natasha Louis" > I just have one (or two, lol) comment about the idiot and his woman that > ride their scooter to work each day. > > I have at least twice since I have been taking the bus seen them almost get > hit by cars when they ran red lights. > > I just hate it when people who don't know a thing about motorcycles get them > and then give the rest of us bad reputations. > > Natasha From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 12:31:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GGVHSi027620; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:31:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GGVHIe027610; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:31:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sportsbike question Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:29:02 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020816155635.2194.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020816155635.2194.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208161229024P.01208@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ah, that's why I don't see them all that much. Ok, I'll have to peek at them a little closer next time. Thanks all for the info. Carl On Friday 16 August 2002 11:56, Chris Weaver wrote: > Carl, > > Those are called "frame sliders." They're intended to > minimize frame and bodywork damage if (when) the rider > crashes and the bike is sliding along the tarmac. The > idea is that the slider takes the damage and abrasion. > They don't come stock on any bikes I can think of > except maybe the new Aprilia Tuono. That's usually an > aftermarket addition. > > Chris Weaver > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > Err, I'll have to look at it again. I didn't think > > it stuck that far out. It > > looked like it was a bit short for someone to put > > their knees on unless you > > were really tucked in. > > > > Carl > > > > On Friday 16 August 2002 11:06, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > Its to protect the fairing if you go down. > > > > > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > > > I was over at CPS Woodbridge and I noticed the > > > > "roller skate brakes" around > > > > where the knees would be. Are they there for > > > > support > > > > > > or is it a lever for > > > > removing the shell? > > > > > > > > Asking instead of searching. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > -- > > > > Carl Schelin > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > > http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > -- > > Carl Schelin > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 12:36:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GGaESi028217; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:36:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GGaEfi028212; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:36:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020816163612.63048.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:36:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > I courteously suggest that you turn all that built up > energy towards > >something positive, instead of bitching about little > things. Personally, > >when I drive and get suck behind a blue-hair, I don't > get all > >hot-and-bothered about it and let it ruin my day as it > seems to ruin yours > >:) > > Ah, so you must be from the TG school of double yellow > passing... do you have pictures? it wasn't me. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 13:12:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GHCNSi031599; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:12:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GHCN7n031594; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:12:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:15:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post In-Reply-To: <20020816163612.63048.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:36:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Gimer > > --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > > > Ah, so you must be from the TG school of double yellow > > passing... > > do you have pictures? it wasn't me. > hmm... (searches) none that seem to be in focus enough to use for evidentiary purposes. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 13:14:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GHEYSi032072; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:14:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GHEXu0032068; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:14:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:14:30 -0700 From: " Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: mjordan812@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Givi rapture Sender: mjordan812@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 198.241.217.3 >I keep a top-bag on there pretty much full time. You now conform to the European norm - EVERYBODY has a top case mounted. They may not have an engine, but there is a topcase. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 13:32:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GHWbSi032459; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:32:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GHWa4o032450; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:32:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Cc: jkop@XXXXXX, adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jayblockllc@XXXXXX, javelin_thrwr@XXXXXX, ricardo@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ride Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:44:24 -0400 Message-ID: References: <70.215d24af.2a8e467d@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <70.215d24af.2a8e467d@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7GHWZSi032438 where is harpers ferry? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 14:07:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GI7NSi000711; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:07:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GI7M7E000698; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:07:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020816135714.043ee980@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:04:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: helmet laws on World News Tonight Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Tonight on ABC News, Peter Jennings will assert that helmetless riders cost taxpayers "nearly $10 billion" every year. Tune in if you want to catch the social engineering, er, I mean, solid reporting. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 14:14:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GIE7Si001131; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:14:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GIE7WN001117; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:14:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: mjordan812@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Givi rapture Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:13:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2002 18:14:00.0189 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1C3BAD0:01C24550] Wow! I didn't know I was so trendy. I've been running a Givi on my Concours, since early '97. I loved it for commuting downtown, even without the saddlebags installed. In fact, I have often removed the saddlebags and brackets from the Concours and just used the Givi for commuting. It does look a little "different" (dorky?) but it is functional as hell. Perry >From: " Michael Jordan" >Reply-To: mjordan812@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Givi rapture >Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:14:30 -0700 > > >I keep a top-bag on there pretty much full time. > >You now conform to the European norm - EVERYBODY has a top case mounted. > >They may not have an engine, but there is a topcase. > >Michael J. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 14:16:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GIGdSi001433; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:16:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GIGd45001416; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:16:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kilimanjaro Jacket / Hypertex Pants Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:16:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2002 18:16:31.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C242C80:01C24551] That should have read 1/1/97, not 1/1/99. And, yes, I still have and wear the jacket... >From: "Perry Coleman" >To: toddbpeer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Kilimanjaro Jacket / Hypertex Pants >Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:53:11 -0400 > >snip > >Overall, I have been pleased with the quality of the item. It has held up >well to a lot of miles and a lot of weather. It has also held up to a 40mph >high-side I managed to accomplish on 1/1/99. snip _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 14:28:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GIShSi002035; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:28:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GISgJV002022; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:28:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:28:47 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: motorcycle@XXXXXX, Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Cc: jkop@XXXXXX, adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jayblockllc@XXXXXX, javelin_thrwr@XXXXXX, ricardo@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ride Message-ID: <40B96CA7.7FC32A3C.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit West By God Virginia about 10 or so miles away from Charlestown and the (horse) racetrack. :-) My sister and bro-in-law live there. Nice roads. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:44:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > > > where is harpers ferry? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 14:39:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GIdpSi002459; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:39:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GIdocF002449; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:39:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020816183948.15318.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:39:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Sunday ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's at the confluence of the Potomac and Shenandoah Rivers. Also, not coincidentally, it's the one point where Maryland, Virginia and West Virginia meet. It has a lot of historical significance due to it being a Civil War barracks, battle site and the place where emancipation activist John Brown met his fate, among other things. Not far away is Antietam/Sharpsburg battlefield, site of the bloodiest battle in the Civil War (as best I recall). Chris Weaver > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > West By God Virginia about 10 or so miles away > from > > Charlestown and the (horse) racetrack. :-) My > > sister and bro-in-law live there. Nice roads. > ;-) > > > > Scooter > > > > In a message dated Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:44:24 PM > > Eastern Standard Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX > writes: > > > > > > > > > > > where is harpers ferry? > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 17:15:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GLFiSi003724; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:15:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GLFhhm003710; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:15:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: Sunday ride Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:15:37 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020816124942.85260.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2002 21:14:21.0006 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3795EE0:01C24569] Jenn led the ride in some parts, and she did okay. It really is up to the individual. I would highly recommend that you do not lead the ride. Newbie's leading rides generally leads to crashes. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 19:41:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7GNfrSi005190; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:41:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7GNfo2h005171; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:41:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <4120028516234249440@earthlink.net> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 0 X-EM-Registration: #3003520714B31D032830 X-Priority: Reply-To: fastandwily@XXXXXX X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 5.0.6.8 (Windows) From: "Scott Luttrell " To: "Rob Curtis" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Anyplace local to get a Torque Wrench Calibrated? Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:42:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Email Dick Martin - dickmatco@XXXXXX he is a Mataco Dealer for the Northern Virginia area. He is at European Service Centre every Mondays around noon, that's in Leesburg. He'll have to send it out but he has loaners, some times. > [Original Message] > From: Rob Curtis > To: > Date: 8/16/02 11:28:48 AM > Subject: Anyplace local to get a Torque Wrench Calibrated? > > I got a Matco "clicker"... Anyone? Bueler? > > Thanks- Rob Scott Luttrell Fast & Wily Racing fastandwily@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 21:59:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7H1xCSi006043; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:59:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7H1xBx3006032; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:59:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D5DAE78.DB626C5B@vt.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:01:28 -0400 From: Dave Streilein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry History References: <200208162300.g7GN01x1004540@dirty.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, if i remember my history correctly, it was the bloodiest DAY in the civil war (i believe in american history)... there were battles w/ more casualties, but antietam was a single-day battle, so it "wins" that title... (I knew that 4th grade report would come in handy sooner or later...) :D ( http://www.civilwarhome.com/Battles.htm ) de-lurking to nitpick dave > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:39:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chris Weaver > Subject: Re: Sunday ride > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > It's at the confluence of the Potomac and Shenandoah > Rivers. Also, not coincidentally, it's the one point > where Maryland, Virginia and West Virginia meet. It > has a lot of historical significance due to it being > a Civil War barracks, battle site and the place where > emancipation activist John Brown met his fate, among > other things. Not far away is Antietam/Sharpsburg > battlefield, site of the bloodiest battle in the > Civil War (as best I recall). > > Chris Weaver From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 22:45:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7H2jTSi006521; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:45:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7H2jT38006512; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:45:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BA67@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Bah-gan lights Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:50:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Pete in California posted: Harbor freight is having a sale on driving lights. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=37349 Driving lights like I have on my bike for 7.99 a pair. They are cheap as shit but the light is well shaped and 55 watts bright. Comes with wiring and switch but no relay. [Radio Shack ~$5, W-Mart ~$4] The mount is weak so I [Pete] cut a little piece out of a PVC pipe to put inside the light housing in the mounting radius. That was a big help, but it's not strong enough to hold your bike up. That's why you buy extras. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 22:56:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7H2ufSi006833; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:56:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7H2udSN006820; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:56:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Custer, Carl" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bah-gan lights Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:08:32 -0400 Message-ID: <7hfrlusp5t3hvv2mni895l12t67lpoaeub@4ax.com> References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BA67@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BA67@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7H2ucSi006808 cool. Do they offer free shipping too? I can't remember if HFT usually does that? they always have some other little goodies i want too. danny On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:50:03 -0400, you wrote: >Pete in California posted: >Harbor freight is having a sale on driving lights. >http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=37349 > > Driving lights like I have on my bike for 7.99 a pair. They are cheap as >shit but the light is well shaped and 55 watts bright. Comes with wiring >and switch but no relay. [Radio Shack ~$5, W-Mart ~$4] > > The mount is weak so I [Pete] cut a little piece out of a PVC pipe to put >inside the light housing in the mounting radius. That was a big help, but >it's not strong enough to hold your bike up. That's why you buy extras. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 23:01:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7H313Si007145; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:01:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7H312RO007131; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:01:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BA69@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: Brakes, again Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:05:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Fish Flowers flaunted, "The Score So Far: GS500 3, Fish 0." "Front: Switch (lever): lever completes circuit regardless of ignition status. Nice clicky sound." Clicky good (the spring is disconnecting the contacts IIRC) -- but -- does the switch actually conduct electricity? You checked it with a meter? Do you have voltage to one of the wires when the ignition is on? "Rear: Switch (pedal): No circuit regardless of ignition status. No clicky sound." Is the rear switch connected to the brake pedal? If yes, is it adjusted so when you depress the pedal, something (a rod or wire) moves on the switch? On my current and past bikes, the rear switch is adjusted by changing the length of wire between a pedal point and the switch or screwing the switch within a holder. GS 500 owners pitch in here? "So. Any hints? Sounds like there may be something funky goin' on with my rear brake, but then how come the front brake lever doesn't light off the taillights?" No juice going to the switch? Check the fuses? Connectors from the fuse block to the switches O.K.? Connectors from the switches to the rear light O.K.? Done anything lately to piss off the Motorsickle Gods? "(Things I Forgot To Check But Should: taillight sockets, voltages across lines and switches.) Fish." Betcha when you find the problems and fix it, you'll say, "Day-um why'dn I do that first?" Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 23:03:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7H33TSi007416; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:03:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7H33Scf007408; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:03:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BA6A@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Motor PsychoL Danny'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bah-gan lights Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:08:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Danny declared, "cool. Do they offer free shipping too? I can't remember if HFT usually does that?" IIRC, if the order is >$50 > they always have some other little goodies i want too. > There you go. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 16 23:27:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7H3RcSi007784; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:27:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7H3RcXM007780; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:27:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Dave Streilein'" , Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry History Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:28:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c2459e$30888d80$bf82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D5DAE78.DB626C5B@vt.edu> Importance: Normal Another cool gun named Dave corrected - Actually, if i remember my history correctly, it was the bloodiest DAY in the civil war (i believe in american history)... there were battles w/ more casualties, but antietam was a single-day battle, so it "wins" that title... [Dave Y] Actually, Antietam was the bloodiest day in American history, not just the war of Northern Aggression ;-) Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 17 00:23:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7H4NjSi008301; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:23:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7H4Nirs008289; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:23:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D5DD05B.2030104@cox.net> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:26:03 -0400 From: Larry Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020512 Netscape/7.0b1 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harpers Ferry History References: <200208162300.g7GN01x1004540@dirty.meretrix.com> <3D5DAE78.DB626C5B@vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was the bloodiest day in American history for that reason and also because the battle of Shiloh was the same day. Not to mention that both sides in both battles were American. Larry Dave Streilein wrote: > Actually, if i remember my history correctly, it was the bloodiest DAY in the civil war (i believe in american history)... there were battles w/ more casualties, but antietam was a single-day battle, so it "wins" that title... > > (I knew that 4th grade report would come in handy sooner or later...) :D ( http://www.civilwarhome.com/Battles.htm ) > > de-lurking to nitpick > > dave > > >> _ _ _ _ >> .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. >> (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) >> >>Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:39:48 -0700 (PDT) >>From: Chris Weaver >>Subject: Re: Sunday ride >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> >>It's at the confluence of the Potomac and Shenandoah >>Rivers. Also, not coincidentally, it's the one point >>where Maryland, Virginia and West Virginia meet. It >>has a lot of historical significance due to it being >>a Civil War barracks, battle site and the place where >>emancipation activist John Brown met his fate, among >>other things. Not far away is Antietam/Sharpsburg >>battlefield, site of the bloodiest battle in the >>Civil War (as best I recall). >> >>Chris Weaver > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 17 02:53:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7H6rgSi009419; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 02:53:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7H6rf6Q009409; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 02:53:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "'DCCycles'" , "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Brakes, again Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:05:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1atrlus4u2n2jk2e8o73a015ib36l6ge25@4ax.com> References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BA69@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BA69@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7H6reSi009392 Right let's start from square one. Is the problem that the brake lights don't work because they're not getting electricity.. or is the problem the brake lights are burning out quickly? Secondly.. Someone (maybe fish?) said the gs500 doesn't have a fuse box. Just one (master) fuse. IS that correct or incorrect. It sounds incorrect to me. That's gotta be dangerous. I think fish needs to find the fuse box and find the tail light fuse. Thats' my guess. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 17 03:00:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7H700Si009730; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:00:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7H6xxbg009721; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 02:59:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: uh oh big trouble in little japan (zx6r) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:11:55 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7H6xwSi009704 bike: 2000 zx6r alright i've got some engine rattling. Sounded like it was coming from the clutch basket, i figured it was.. so I took the cover off to find that the whole clutch basket and fly wheel behind it was loose. I know it's not supposed to be loose because I just changed my friends clutches (same bike) the night before and his was firm. Someone please tell me there is a simple solution :) If it's internal to the engine... anyone know if a 99 motor will fit.. I just bought a wrecked 99 for parts and the engine is good. So what's the word? :| From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 17 06:46:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7HAk5Si011428; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 06:46:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7HAk2v4011409; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 06:46:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000e01c245da$aad3f5c0$9a592c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "AA DC Cycles" References: <20020816124539.58706.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Scooter Article in Post Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 06:41:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > Chuck? > > I am no biker, but the bike path is a terrible place > to train if you are trying to ride fast. Too many > kids, curves, etc. > > Like it or not, they have the right of way. Why not a > little consideration Todd. After all, people may have > similar ideas about motorcycles. > A right of way is not a gaurantee of protection. And I consider the activity of riding a bicycle on a highway to be dangerous to everyone involved, but mostly to the cyclist. The scenario just happened to involve a bicyclist. Bicyclists will almost always impede traffic because the human power is simply inadequate to the task of keeping up with the traffic flow. The scenario could have easily involved a moped, or a little old lady. So I guess what really got me pissed wasn't my inability to consider the situation appropriately but the apparent total lack of consideration by the bicyclist. Wearing your "right of way" with the attitude that all motorists will respect that is just plain naive. The jackass is going to get bumped and he will deserve it. Todd (Springfield, VA) > > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > From: "Jon Strang" > > To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" > > Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post > > Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:24:23 -0400 > > > > A smiley, Tom....are you feeling ok? > > > > -----Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > > -------------------------------------- > > Yeah, I was a little startled by that too. :-| > > > > Here's one that really pissed me off the other day. > > Hot as hell (or August > > in DC, take your pick) and I'm nearing my exit off > > the FFax Cty Pkwy and > > suddenly all traffic slows. I'm thinking, "must be > > a cop". But it keeps > > slowing and I peer around the drivers' side vehicles > > in front, seeing > > nothing that would cause this reaction. > > > > All of a sudden the truck in front of me weaves and > > passes a bicyclist just > > tooling along and nearly two feet in the road! Guy > > was decked out in that > > skin tight flashy lycra and swept back helmet, just > > pumping away. This is a > > posted 50mph roadway folks! > > > > For those that don't know it, there is a perfectly > > good bicycle path that > > runs nearly the ENTIRE length of the Pkwy. > > > > Why? Why is this numb-nut risking his life > > needlessly? Oh wait, he has the > > right of way. Bleh! > > > > T > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 17 06:54:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7HAspSi011694; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 06:54:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7HAspmd011688; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 06:54:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001501c245db$e6323680$9a592c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: References: Subject: Re: Kilimanjaro Jacket / Hypertex Pants Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 06:50:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Thanks Perry, Chris and Mike for the good and useful information. For the past couple of months I've been set on getting the Darien jacket and pants. I've got an old Darien jacket that I loved (been wearing a BMW Savannah for the past couple years), but thought was too heavy. The thing I liked about the Darien was that I didn't have to stop to put on raingear. Anyway, I started looking at the prices for these items and thought, "there must be some alternatives". Bobs BMW is having an excellent sale on the Tuareg line of jackets from Hein Gericke and that got me thinking of the Kilamanjaro again. Thanks again, T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Coleman" To: ; Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 8:53 AM Subject: Re: Kilimanjaro Jacket / Hypertex Pants > Todd, > > I have the Kilimanjaro jacket and have used it for about 4 years. I had the > matching pants, but they have been retired, with honors, due to (literally) > saving my ass. > > In a nutshell: From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 17 07:00:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7HB0TSi011869; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 07:00:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7HB0Tgd011863; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 07:00:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:59:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kilimanjaro Jacket / Hypertex Pants In-Reply-To: <001501c245db$e6323680$9a592c42@c9rnf01> Message-ID: <20020817035823.A28495-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Todd Peer wrote: > Anyway, I started looking at the prices for these items and thought, "there > must be some alternatives". Bobs BMW is having an excellent sale on the > Tuareg line of jackets from Hein Gericke and that got me thinking of the > Kilamanjaro again. Newenough.com is having a sale on some Hein Gericke closeouts - http://www.newenough.com/closeouts/heingericke.htm -- Wayne - http://www.purplecar.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 17 07:02:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7HB2KSi012032; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 07:02:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7HB2JFP012025; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 07:02:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001f01c245dc$f14ef340$9a592c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 06:57:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Hey Mark, Please don't imply that I hate bicyclists. I don't. In fact, bicycling was my passion well before riding motorcycles. What I do hate (on the roadway anyway) are selfish, discourteous or simple-minded attitudes. It leads to, at a minimum undue frustration and at the other end, disaster. T ----------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 05:52:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Scooter Article in Post To: Wayne Edelen , AA DC Cycles Yeah, I figured you would understand that I knew that. Pretty obvious I think? My point is that people hate motorcycles too. They have their (supposed) good reasons they should not be on the road. Change the law if you have a problem with it. Complaining here does nothing. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 17 09:35:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7HDZXSi012772; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:35:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7HDZWAL012764; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:35:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020817133530.49449.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 06:35:30 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Spike Bike! (was RE: Scooter Article in Post) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020816140103.12951.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii TG wrote: > with THAT attitude, i suggest you find a motorcycle > quickly, or we'll be forced to ask harry to 86 your > spiteful, pedaling, lane-hogging ass.... Seems TG has not been properly introduced to Spike Bike. Any peddal pushers here got their rig setup? (do a google search) Growing up in Japan there was none of this pansy-behavior by cage drivers with regard to bicyclists. They just blew by you with inches to spare. As a bicyclist you just learned to not only project presence but also to be predictable and deal with it. The avid bicyclists out there are arguably well equipped to deal with narrow margins, it's the moms and kids and the wobbly dad that make me shiver. It's that just cage drivers too often don't know where their bloody fenders are. I get tired waving over-fearful drivers by. What's THEIR damn problem? Can't they drive? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 17 14:18:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7HIIpSi014122; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:18:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7HIIoNs014109; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:18:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: uh oh big trouble in little japan (zx6r) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:30:52 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7HIInSi014097 alright from the ninja group on yahoo, i heard it could be the needle bearings behind the clutch basket or the nut that holds the clutch basket to the drive shaft. Going ot put the ninja back under the wrench and see whta it's looking like under the clutch basket. I'll post my progress... for future reference. Danny On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:11:55 -0400, you wrote: >bike: 2000 zx6r > >alright i've got some engine rattling. >Sounded like it was coming from the clutch basket, i figured it was.. >so I took the cover off to find that the whole clutch basket and fly >wheel behind it was loose. > >I know it's not supposed to be loose because I just changed my friends >clutches (same bike) the night before and his was firm. Someone >please tell me there is a simple solution :) > >If it's internal to the engine... anyone know if a 99 motor will fit.. >I just bought a wrecked 99 for parts and the engine is good. > >So what's the word? :| From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 17 16:45:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7HKjpSi014895; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:45:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7HKjpH7014887; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:45:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002701c2462e$72c44320$9a592c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: helmet laws on World News Tonight Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:40:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Is that quote correct? Did you mean to say $10 billion? At a million dollars a crash that works out to 10,000 million dollar crashes. That just can't be right. T -------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:04:33 -0400 helmet laws on World News Tonight Tonight on ABC News, Peter Jennings will assert that helmetless riders cost taxpayers "nearly $10 billion" every year. Tune in if you want to catch the social engineering, er, I mean, solid reporting. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Aug 17 17:07:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7HL79Si015171; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:07:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7HL79xE015166; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:07:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020817170356.044db028@winters.cc> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:04:13 -0400 To: "Todd Peer" From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: helmet laws on World News Tonight Cc: "AA DC Cycles" In-Reply-To: <002701c2462e$72c44320$9a592c42@c9rnf01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:40 PM 8/17/2002, Todd Peer wrote: >Is that quote correct? Did you mean to say $10 billion? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 18 09:44:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7IDinSi032739; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:44:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7IDiicr032721; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:44:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1ac.6f6c05b.2a90fec9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:44:41 EDT Subject: Re: training wheels? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/13/2002 3:44:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dan@XXXXXX writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1848746953&r=0&t =0 > I've joked around that Honda might include them on the next 'wing, but it > looks like someone beat them to it. > Had one of these show up to an ERC class once. It is a nice looking installation, very professional looking. The wheels automatically retract over a certain speed, and go down below it, sounds like aircraft landing gear going up and down. USELESS! Waste of money! Dangerous! (if you want my opinion ping me off list #:-) > The guy could not ride back and forth across the range without his "training" wheels. Think about it, wheels down - steer like a car. Wheels up - countersteer like a bike. Back and forth, back and forth. Guy could not ride at parking lot speeds and was never going to learn, had to drop the class after the first exercise, so he would not hurt anyone. But it was a nice installation. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 18 09:51:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7IDpmSi000658; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:51:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7IDpmXs000651; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:51:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <139.13020bd3.2a910069@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:51:37 EDT Subject: Re: Anyplace local to get a Torque Wrench Calibrated? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/16/2002 11:29:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rcurtis@XXXXXX writes: > I got a Matco "clicker"... Anyone? Bueler? You can check it against any other torque wrench, or better yet several others. put a short extension on it and a 3/8 _six_ point socket (Craftsman has em) plug them into each other and see if they agree, if not check against another to see who is right. If one you trust, or two or three you are not so sure of agree with you, you are OK. No cost (except socket.) And you can check it anytime. (I think mine is a Snap-On "clicker" and I have checked it this way.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 18 09:54:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7IDsSSi000810; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:54:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7IDsSoW000803; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:54:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:54:22 EDT Subject: Re: Anyplace local to get a Torque Wrench Calibrated? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/18/2002 9:52:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX writes: > 3/8 _six_ point Dammit! My bad. _8_ point socket. (square nut driver) I could count when I was young. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 18 10:20:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7IEKlSi001410; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:20:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7IEKl0D001402; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:20:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: Subject: Show offs Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:03:07 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1ac.6f6c05b.2a90fec9@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Greeting to all, here is my tale for the weekend. Saturday, 6:30pm driving my cage (had a lot of tools to take to the renaissance faire) Eastbound on Rt. 50 at 197ish. Traffic had been semi heavy this day with lots of group riders of 5 or more cycles, sport mostly. I spot two motorcycles (sport) coming West on Rt. 50, then I notice a headlight head up in the air. They are both in the fast lane I notice that one has begun a wheelie as proceeding in the same lane with the other. The other cycle the person on it is sitting with his butt on the gas tank, legs over the handlebars almost resting on the front wheel and hands on the controls. I am one for freedom to do as you please, but this is ridiculous. I get out on my cycle to enjoy the outdoors and ride with groups sometimes, go places and have fun. It is my belief that this type of business should be held in a side street or parking lot, away from people that he could cause harm too. I believe this is the person who is making my insurance rates go up. If this was you, I am sorry but this is my opinion, and I am entitled to it. Get out and enjoy riding your cycle, but not hot dogging it in traffic where one slip and people get hurt or killed. Scott R. Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S A day without sunshine is like........night From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 18 16:23:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7IKNJSi003967; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:23:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7IKNGBr003948; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:23:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Cc: Subject: Re: Show offs Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:35:32 -0400 Message-ID: <5710musbo04s24raaf17eifc760tpnl8rl@4ax.com> References: <1ac.6f6c05b.2a90fec9@aol.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7IKNFSi003931 I dont' suppose you know what kinds (and colors) bikes they were? there was a major sportbike cookout yesterday.. so.. riders from far out where in the area.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 18 19:25:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7INPISi005404; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:25:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7INPH74005390; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:25:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: "Motor PsychoL Danny" Cc: Subject: RE: Show offs Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:24:48 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5710musbo04s24raaf17eifc760tpnl8rl@4ax.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Not really, I remember the wheelie bike was a black person with a bright green sport. All I remember about show off man was a white guy, grey tshirt and helmet with his legs over the bars. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Motor PsychoL Danny [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 4:36 PM To: MacDa@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Show offs I dont' suppose you know what kinds (and colors) bikes they were? there was a major sportbike cookout yesterday.. so.. riders from far out where in the area.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 18 20:55:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7J0trSi006056; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:55:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7J0tqEf006045; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:55:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Show offs Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:42:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c24719$502bd6c0$b382c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Scott said - Saturday, 6:30pm driving my cage (had a lot of tools to take to the renaissance faire) Eastbound on Rt. 50 at 197ish. Traffic had been semi heavy this day with lots of group riders of 5 or more cycles, sport mostly. I spot two motorcycles (sport) coming West on Rt. 50, then I notice a headlight head up in the air. They are both in the fast lane I notice that one has begun a wheelie as proceeding in the same lane with the other. The other cycle the person on it is sitting with his butt on the gas tank, legs over the handlebars almost resting on the front wheel and hands on the controls. [Dave] Friday, coming home on US 1 headed to Mt. Vernon. About 3 lights into rt. 1, I get stuck next to Mr. Loud pipes HD. I tried every thing to get in front of OR behind him... No dice. Finally, we get stopped at a light... He launches WFO, so I bite, and roll into Rosie's throttle (Rosie is my Lightning)... He was never ahead, until we let off about 65... next light he asks me if it's stock, I say, yup. He then asks how much power, I shrug.. waved & went on our merry ways. I felt as though I scored a somewhat minor victory in the argument against loud pipes... You have to seriously reconsider the mods to your bike when you get spanked by a 5 thousand pound truck...;-) Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 18 21:57:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7J1vfSi006541; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:57:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7J1vftM006531; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:57:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Car Inspection.....No Moto Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:56:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2002 01:56:34.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5AFBB20:01C24723] Does anyone have a recommendation for a good place to get a car inspected in the Germantown/Gaithersburg area? Also, what does a MD inspection cost? Thanks. Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 18 22:20:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7J2KVSi006899; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:20:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7J2KVdp006892; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:20:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:20:22 EDT Subject: harpers ferry ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: lori.jett@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 hello everyone! great news! we had a crash-free ride! here are the stats: harleys won: 3-2 crashes: 0 people to verify that my bike is cute and i am a girl: 3 (two people already knew about both prior to the ride!) total riders: 6 total bikes: 5 sore butts at the end: only 1 so here's the story --- my friend lori rode on her dad's sportster with him. his name is dick. (no comments from the peanut gallery please!). we rode from towson, md to the meeting sight of olney, md. there we found matt (pattonme@XXXXXX) who was our designated tour guide and GPS user, jeff (jeff@XXXXXX who doesnt post often), and tom (t_knapik@XXXXXX). we started with a simple prayer for God to bless our time and for safety. i know some of you were concerned about my newbie status and being on a ride with others! we fueled up and started on our way. we made it about 20 miles from out destination and we pulled over. lori hadnt been a rider in at least 15 years and even then she never went as far as we were going today. needless to say she was feeling some pain! i was thirsty especially traveling behind matt and his nice camelback. at that point, jeff and tom headed back towards their homes. jeff's wife was cooking dinner --- hope it was yummy! matt, dick, lori, and i continued. we made it to harpers ferry. i didnt see any harpers nor ferrys but we found a 7-11. (not nearly as cool as the Sheetz we passed but you cant have it all!) at any rate, it was about 630/7ish when we decided to depart. matt took his GPS and made his way safely back to springfield as dick, lori, and i moseyed back on i-70 towards baltimore. lori was looking for the most direct route back home possible! so many things were proven on this trip --- we do have harley riders on dc-cycles. i had three on my tail most of the way to harpers ferry! another proven fact --- purple motorcycles can be cute! AND.. im a girl :) any rides going on over labor day weekend? its my birthday then you know!? (all gifts welcome!) jenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 18 22:22:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7J2MjSi007156; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:22:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7J2Mjql007148; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:22:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Aki Damme \(E-mail\)" , "Big Al Sevilla \(E-mail\)" , "Brian V. \(E-mail\)" , "Carlos A. Cerra \(E-mail\)" , "Joe Lazarsky \(E-mail\)" , "Jeff Steele \(E-mail\)" , "Jon Strang \(E-mail\)" , "Paul Wilson \(E-mail\)" , "Lisa Goddard \(E-mail\)" , "Cedric Bernescut \(E-mail\)" Subject: trip report part 2 (lengthy!)--- training with the Highway Patrol Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:31:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c24730$e7b61f70$4f82fea9@ticostat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Forewarned: this is kind of long and probably a bit dull but buried within are some bits of knowledge some might find of value. Plus it's just plain cool! Not everyone got Trip Report Part 1--- I'll forward it to anyone who wants a lengthy rant on the joys of flying across country on a planeload full of screaming young'uns and the equal joys of taking motorcycle gear in your carry-on bags. Make sure your content filter is off, though, because I use the F-word a whole lot in that tale... So here I am in Seattle, where the weather is amazing at 77* and not a drop of rain in the 10-day forecast; staying at the Hilton with the chocolates on the pillow each night and a kick-ass martini bar a block away, and the waterfront an easy walk away when I need entertaining. I'm definitely recharging my batteries, but the real purpose of this vacation is to attend a training session put on by the Washington State Highway Patrol. Today was a much-deserved day off from the training. I can honestly say I have never felt so beat-up after a couple days of motorcycle riding, and I can also honestly say I have been humbled. This workshop is designed to prepare future motorcycle cops for their practical exams. As most jurisdictions only give you one chance to pass the practical, a lot of careers depend on passing the test. The classes are really structured, rigorous and demanding. Our instructors (five so far) have a combined experience of about 95 years as motormen, including one former SWAT team captain. I have always had a deep and healthy respect for law enforcement, but I'm completely in awe now. These guys can do stuff on bikes that I can barely do on foot, and they make it look extremely easy... A while back on the dc-cycles list people were wondering why it is that motorcycle cops don't wear leather or full-face helmets; I realize now that #1 they are so incredibly skilled at what they do, that the average rider pales in comparison and thus requires more protection, and #2 these guys are so good that for all I care, they can ride in tutu's and birthday party hats, and they will still be safer than anyone I know. Many of the tactics and skills I am learning will (hopefully) never be used in my lifetime, but when you log an average of 20,000-30,000 miles a year on a bike, they become second-nature. Getting out of these seemingly impossible jams is second-nature to them and the knowledge partnered with the experience is what allows these guys to walk away from what would have been fatal to you, me, or anyone I know. If I can glean just a teaspoon of what they know, I'll consider myself very fortunate. **Motorcycle Cop Stay Safe Tip: if you are stopped at a red light, a good way to avoid being hit is to keep the bike in first and scan your mirrors till a car pulls up behind you and stops. Then it's OK to put it in neutral. An additional car will be more likely to see a car than they are to see a bike. If you're in neutral and watching behind you all the time, you can be ready to take off in the event that an oncoming car doesn't see you; just take off and you won't be hit from behind. Once a car is stopped, you've got a buffer. Even if that car is rear-ended, it will act as a buffer to you. If you get hit by the middle car you might get hurt or you might not, but you definitely won't be hurt as bad as being rear-ended yourself. We're training on Kawasaki KZ1000's, a special version that is police issue only. This is a bike I never would have chosen for myself, but it's a truly impressive machine. The seat position is more comfortable than anything I know; the combination of handlebar height and angle puts zero pressure on your wrists or shoulders, and there is no reaching for any control. I had my bars adjusted a bit when I bought my Virago but I never knew the proper way to fit a bike, and I've heard this said by some of my classmates too. I've never bought a bike from a dealer so I don't know which dealers will or won't adjust your bike before you take possession, but I'd bet there's a lot of people who've never made the adjustments that give you the exact right fit. I'll be glad to demonstrate for anyone who wants to see it when I get back, but basically you first lock the steering in each direction; you want the brake handle and the clutch handle to barely graze your thigh. Raise or lower the height till it's right, then straighten out the bars and reach for the throttle and clutch. If you extend your arm straight in front of you, palms open, the bar part (not the metal part you squeeze) should fall directly in your open palm. That's the proper fit. Other than being very comfortable and fun to ride, the bikes are extremely responsive. Brakes that will literally stop on a dime, tight turning radius, and I can't properly describe the suspension other than to say you are aware of even miniscule changes in the road surface but not in a bad way. Other than that, these bikes are completely dogs; they've been dropped hundreds if not thousands of times. No head lights, no signals, no mirrors, and those with fairings are all beat to hell. We were warned before even getting on the bikes that we'd all be wiping out frequently, and no one believed it... till we started training! One of the first things we learned was the proper way to pick up a downed bike. Most people I know will turn with their back to the bike, squat down, grasp the grab-bars and lift up. While there's certainly nothing stopping you from doing it like this, it's (according to the cops, and I can see how this is a problem) too easy to strain your back. Instead, they recommend two different methods. One is to approach the bike, squat down with your body near the tank or a little further forward, grasp the handlebar that is in the top position, and yank down hard on it. You want to pull it like a handle down to your stomach or a bit lower; as you do so, the wheel will turn and essentially become a lever. Push in on it and at the same time walk (squat-walk) towards the bike. As you walk, the bike will rise up. Alternately, you can face the front of the bike, grasp the bars, and squat with your side up against the seat. You want your outer leg to be extended and your inner leg to be bent and bearing most of your weight. Lean on the bike and walk yourself upwards; the bike comes right up. I managed to get the Kawasaki up (and it's about 750lb or more with all the stuff they have on them) by myself using both these methods. Another thing: we're only allowed to mount or dismount these bikes from the high side. Takes some getting used to... but practical. If you break down you're probably going to pull off to the right. If you dismount normally, there is now nothing between you and the highway. Being on the high side gives you a little more distance and safety from traffic when you are most vulnerable (again, probably never gonna make any difference in my lifetime but just in case...) On-road stuff: we learned a deeper appreciation of throttle control by using 2x4's at different inclines. We'd ride the bike till the front tire was touching a marker on the 2x4 then use the throttle and clutch only to keep the bike at that elevation. The desire to use the brakes is really strong; getting used to combining throttle and clutch to do the same thing as brakes is not as easy as it sounds. Once you get the hang of it you can hold the bike on the incline, say 45*, in the same place for literally minutes. Not practical for riding, of course--- on a hill, brakes and feet on the ground are a better way to manage the stop light! But a really great way to learn more powerful and precise control of the throttle. Once that was mastered we moved on to a series of cone patterns in increasing difficulty. At the very basic, we must turn circles in a cone pattern that is about 10 feet wide in diameter. Again, not as easy as it sounds when you realize how long the bikes are! The secret to this goes against everything I've been taught... you're not supposed to look ahead of you at all! The only way you can accomplish this chore is to lock the steering in the direction you want to turn, then turn your head completely over the shoulder that's in the direction of the turn. Throttle and clutch again to control the speed; braking will upset both your attention and your balance, and then you fall. In this first exercise we heard about 4 bikes drop. Mine wasn't one of them but I will admit I had the foot down more often than not, till I got used to it! I'm going to try and get dimensions of all the patterns in this course because I'm gonna want to be practicing them all the time (and I am sure I am not getting the distances correct just from my memory), but imagine if you will an offset cone weave. There are two lanes of cones, and the lanes are about 4 feet apart. Each lane consists of 6 cones and those are also about 4 feet apart, but they're kind of staggered so Lane A and Lane B are not next to each other. Once you enter the lanes you are supposed to skip from one lane to the other, circling each cone, in what ends up being a set of intertwined figure-8's. Again the only way to get through it is to lock the steering and look back over your shoulder. Once you look outside of the direction of the turn, you fall. It's extremely difficult! At first bikes were dropping every five minutes or so, and those that didn't drop were running over cones or running off the course. I've gotten quite good at cone-killing, but I think I finally have this cone-weave down. It's about 15 times harder than the cone weave I had to do in MD for my license, just for a frame of reference. I won't go into detail over the rest of the patterns, save to say they are all really hard but with practice they're quite do-able. I dropped the bike twice (and I'm in the doing-better half of the class, only one guy hasn't dropped at all), once in an intersection pattern that is a series of figure 8's with a max 14-foot spread. So I don't feel bad... I do have to say that this has been a rather humbling experience for me. I knew before I started this class that I had a lot to learn and some bad habits to break, but I had no idea that I was so completely unaware of what *real* control of a motorcycle is. I've still got a ways to go! But I really believe that unless you are taught to specifically handle a bike like this, you won't even know that you don't know. The best way I can explain it is, there's a guy in my class who's been riding for about 16 years. He's a motorcycle cop in training and he rode his bike from Oklahoma to be here. I'd consider this guy as someone who knows what he's doing, to the extent that I even rode bitch with him to go to lunch. And I trust NO ONE like that. He's struggling along with this just like everyone else. Injuries so far: nothing too severe. One guy rashed his elbow pretty good (leathers and such are *optional* when we are at speeds lower than 15 mph but I never take mine off, and you can grease yourself pretty good if it's only 10 mph) and another has a nasty goose-egg as a result of being the filling in a pavement-floorboard sandwich. Me, I'm sore and stiff and I've got some mysterious bruises on my legs. The most painful part is my shoulder muscles from all that steering-locking. And my pride... I'd mentioned that I'd dumped twice but only detailed the first. The ego-damaging one was the last bit of the class yesterday; dismounting for about the 50th time. As always, on the high side. Which I did properly. Then for some reason, and forgetting I was on the high side where there is no side-stand, I gave the bars a good yank towards me. The bike expressed its displeasure with this by falling down at my feet. Well, on my feet is more like it. Guess my brain was too full or something. But it was good for a laugh! The next update will cover panic stops (we did a lot of work on that yesterday but I'm too burnt to write it up), crashing (more likely, getting away from crashes) and evasive techniques which is tomorrow's class. I'll be glad to show any of this stuff to anyone who want to see it when I get back, provided we can find the space to practice in and there's a crashable bike to do it on. Cheers, Patti '95 Yamaha Virago '69 BSA FireBird From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Aug 18 23:17:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7J3HVSi007781; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:17:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7J3HUZ9007773; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:17:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 19 Aug 2002 03:17:21 GMT Message-ID: <002601c2472e$e307c480$8f53f4d1@oemcomputer> From: "Alex & Kris Morse" To: Subject: new DC shop Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:16:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hello All, Last week I was talking to a guy in the parts department of a local dealer (which I suppose I'll keep nameless) and it turns out he and a buddy have just opened their own shop in DC called District Cycle in a garage over by 12th street. Sounds like they mostly do mods and such -- I talked to him about the possibility of a new exhaust system for my Bandit. He mentioned a couple bikes they've worked on that are often parked in those spaces in front of Asylum on 18th. Seems like a nice guy. Has anybody heard of them or know anything about them? (I guess they may even be subscribers -- if so, good luck with the shop and I may give you guys a call this fall.) I can post their phone number if anyone's interested. Alex Mt. Pleasant From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 00:22:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7J4MQSi008315; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:22:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7J4MPre008296; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:22:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: adjusting your handlebars- clarifications Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:31:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c24741$aefd08e0$4f82fea9@ticostat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal I've gotten quite a few emails about the long post I wrote, especially about fitting your bike properly to your height and your armspan. I'd like to clarify because I am quite brain-dead now and didn't provide enough details. Before you start making your adjustments, you should place the bike on its centerstand and it should be on as level a spot as you can find. I'd guess that without a centerstand you could use a brick or such under the sidestand. The key is starting out with the bike as level as possible. When you are trying to get the bar height proper, which is when you lock the steering first one direction then the other and let the levers of the clutch and brake (the part you can squeeze in), you should be seated on the bike with your feet on the pegs or floorboards. The levers should just barely graze your thigh, about 1/4 inch clearance or so. I'm not sure how this translates to certain kinds of bikes that put the rider in a position where knees are back and under, but I'll ask. When you're trying to get the spread right, you want to center the wheel. Still seated with feet on pegs, extend one arm at a time, and make a straight line from your shoulder to the controls. Your palm should be facing down and your arm should be above the handlebars. You want the palm of your hand to exactly land on the handlebar part of the control; for example, the part of the throttle you turn, or the fixed part of the clutch side, not the clutch lever or the brake lever. Sorry for any confusion I might have caused! I'm feeling blonde and a little crisped around the edges! Cheers, patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 01:59:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7J5x5Si008958; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:59:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7J5x23D008937; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:59:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020819055900.32115.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:59:00 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: trip report part 2 (lengthy!)--- training with the Highway Patrol To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000701c24730$e7b61f70$4f82fea9@ticostat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Not everyone got Trip Report Part 1--- I'll forward it to anyone who > wants a > lengthy rant on the joys of flying across country on a planeload full > of > screaming young'uns and the equal joys of taking motorcycle gear in > your > carry-on bags. attitude, it's always about attitude. I don't mind youngun's because I have two of them. But I typically try to entertain them as well. Harried and tired parents sometimes don't appreciate the inconvenience they are causing. A helping hand can make the day... If you had your motogear then you had your earplugs handy, right? *smile* > when you log an average of 20,000-30,000 miles a year on a bike, they > become second-nature. Hmm, by that account then I should go ride around in my lycra and naturally my "skills and techniques" will allow me to violate the laws of physics: ala friction as it applies to skin and concrete at some determinate of velocity. Sorry, they may be incredibly capable on 2 wheels but I will never give them a pass on failure to wear decent gear. Of course, any second-nature ability to wield the MC as a tool to avoid an otherwise unavoidable crash/incident is to be lauded and highly praised and they can most likely turn some of those odds in their favor. I still don't like the odds as good as they might be, however. > way to avoid being hit is to keep the bike in first and scan your > mirrors till a car pulls up behind you and stops. You know, any MSF graduate should know this too. It's hardly rocket science and frankly I'm surprised how large a percentage of people can't seem to find the strength to keep the clutch squeezed for a measly 40 seconds. Yes, I know you Ducati people like to moan and bitch about it... That's not to say I don't catch myself shifting to N from time to time, either. I don't mean to trivialize the observation. Just to say it's basic road awareness/self-preservation technique that should be rather obvious to anyone to rides more than 2 hours on Sunday morning. > buffer to you. If you get hit by the middle car you might get hurt > or you > might not, but you definitely won't be hurt as bad as being > rear-ended yourself. True, and if you're even more astute you've have lined up off to the side so that the car behind you should it lurch forward, will either give you a glancing blow or have a place to evade your sitting butt. It's like those "I have as much right to this road bicyclists", always give the bigger guys (car/truck/suv) an out. BTW, the MSF course should include an impromptu example and practice session of picking up a bike. I'm sure their methods work fine too (the key point being to use the legs and not the back/arms) but are probably helped a lot by the crash bars. > Another thing: we're only allowed to mount or dismount these bikes > from the high side. I can see the marginal merit to that but really, I'd choose a better spot to pull off to begin with or angle the bike such that it was protecting me like the new angled parking job the highway patrol guys use now. > On-road stuff: we learned a deeper appreciation of throttle control > by using > 2x4's at different inclines. We'd ride the bike till the front tire I call it "hanging the bike on the clutch" and it's standard curriculum fare. All you need is a nice little hill some place. I spent 2 hours with a guy on his driveway doing just this, endeavoring to teach him clutch control - ie not dumping the damn thing. Actually it has very good application to real-world riding; starting on a hill. oh sure, use the rear brake initially but once the clutch is dragging, the brakes are totally unnecessary. Too many cage drivers can't do this either. > over the shoulder that's in the direction of the turn. Throttle and > clutch > again to control the speed; braking will upset both your attention > and your > balance, and then you fall. ah, front braking, yes. Rear can be used just fine but with care no doubt. A tight U-turn is just the same thing just over a lot quicker. Going full-lock though is why the bikes probably got dumped. If the application of the gas wasn't enough or soon enough and since there is no more wheel turn left and you needed to move the front wheel for balance and couldn't, it'll go bang. Really though, so far you've described the ERC to a T haven't you with purhaps a little more zest added in for difficulty/excitement? Fellow instructors care to chime in? That said, I'm sure I'd boff a few cones too. > habits to break, but I had no idea that I was so completely unaware > of what > *real* control of a motorcycle is. I've still got a ways to go! Sure enough. And all of these manuvers were esentially walking speed items probably. While I'm sure they have application in slightly higher-speed environments, it still won't help the freaked out rider facing a decreasing radius turn with a bad line and oncoming traffic and a cliff on the other side. Or the rider who's tooling along RT 611 south of Purcerville and all of a sudden sees the road disappear into dirt and gravel and it's ~4 miles to Snickersville TNPK. (the latter would be me at about 7pm today. Natch I rode the gravel. How else to improve my comfort and experience with what my new bike does in this stuff?) > Injuries so far: nothing too severe. One guy rashed his elbow pretty > good > (leathers and such are *optional* when we are at speeds lower than 15 > mph > but I never take mine off, and you can grease yourself pretty good if > it's > only 10 mph) Ok, and explain to me then WHY they don't bother to wear full gear when tooling along at 60mph in heavy traffic? Where are their vaunted skills now? Personally I think a JR Reactor jacket stencilled in reflective "POLICE" would look so cool. And it would be great for summer riding in traffic. > The next update will cover panic stops (we did a lot of work on that I hope they don't teach panic stops. Emergency stops, sure. But panic implies the operator was 1) not applying SEE/SIPDE to anticipate a developing situation and 2) has lost mental control. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 02:08:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7J68BSi009259; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:08:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7J68Ab3009253; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:08:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020819060807.32500.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:08:07 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: harpers ferry ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > (pattonme@XXXXXX) who was our designated tour guide and GPS user, I have to say I need to figure out how to turn off some of this totally extraneous detail on the GPS. The clutter on a 2" screen makes this rather annoying at times. Anyone here a Garmin Emap guru? A paper map would have done better I think. The route I chose was a lot of zigzags to pick up nice roads so it took rather longer than a simple route would have. > needless to say she was feeling some pain! i was thirsty especially > traveling behind matt and his nice camelback. 100 fluid oz consumed during the trip and I probably should have had more. 4 cruisers, 1 standard as far as bikes. The safety gear quotient was IMO quite lacking however. I'm glad there weren't any accidents. I prefer not to tempt fate. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 07:29:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JBTESi011408; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:29:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JBTEel011398; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:29:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Psycho's on 270 south Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:28:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2002 11:28:07.0061 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D688C50:01C24773] Anyone know anything about 20-25 riders zig zagging through traffic on 270 South doing about 20 or so wheelies in traffic? These guys were nuts! Most of 'em got off at the Gaithersburg exit. I have no problem with wheelies but this was pretty heavy traffic and cages (including myself) had to make an effort to avoid them! I can't believe these guys all made it home alive... Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 07:35:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JBZwSi011697; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:35:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JBZwLG011691; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:35:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Training Days Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:33:41 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02081907334101.08244@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On showing my wife how to ride a bike. First off let me say that I am not in favor in showing someone how to ride. I'd prefer someone else show her or better yet, going to a class. Unfortunately all of the classes are booked for the rest of the year. She's on the list of all of the closer colleges in case of a cancellation. BTW: Not all colleges allow waiting lists. I personally am a firm believer in low speed control before any riding in traffic. I mentioned that I was going to be showing Rita how to ride this past weekend to several other bikers in the office. One came up with a great idea IMO. Find a slight grade and have her coast on the bike learning balance and brakes before power. So, Saturday morning with boots, jeans, long sleeve shirt, and full face helmet, we hit the empty commuter lot behind Giant in Woodbridge. There are a couple of vans scattered about. I rode the bike over. If you don't remember, it's a 1981 Yamaha 250 short about half a lung. I can get it going to a pretty good clip but it's certainly not as responsive as my big Harley :-) We go over the bike, making sure she understands where all the controls are. I tell her where to head and what I want her to do. For the next hour, I'm pushing her down the hill, following her down and riding the bike back to the top. She's doing loops, stops and swerves. The loops are mostly loop to the top and stop. Eventually she's getting the loop completed. As we end the hour, I have her starting the bike as I get to her. After a couple of more rides, I'm showing her what I'm doing, slow clutch release with a slight roll of the throttle until the bike's going. Finally she's ready to drive off. Clutch release, slow roll, and she's off! No wobble, a little hesitation and she's moving at about walking speed. You can see the grin from behind her. More practice. Better loops. Stops without killing the bike. I tried to put the petcock to off but it never ran out. I wanted her to feel the bike as it ran out of gas. As she goes by me, I yell for her to shift into second. From the 30 feet she's travelled and being behind her, I can hear her "Woo Hoo!" when she gets it into second. For the next couple of hours, she's driving around the parking lot. I'm giving her tips that I can recall from my driving. Hit the brake lights a couple of times while stopped to tell people behind you you're there. Blink the brakes to make sure you're seen when coming up to a light. Turn signals when turning. | | | | | | | | | +---+----+ | | | | | | | | | Loops in the parking lanes. She can just make a turn while in the parking spaces. Eventually she's hot and tired. We hit Taco Hell and then head home. Sunday she's ready to go again. We head over to the DMV parking lot for more practice (Farmer's Market in the commuter lot). And cool! They left the cones out. I set up the cones so she can do some slaloms. First straight lines and then I move the cones farther left and right. First: * * * * * Next: * * * * * I'm also moving them closer together so she can get tighter turns. I set up a teardrop shape so she could approach, loop around the cones and come out at the top. . * X End . * . . .* * X . * . * . X Start . We tried to figure out what the patterns that were painted on the asphalt were. * * * * * * * There were other markings as well. I'd like to be there when they give a test to a biker. Anyway, she's taking her test Saturday morning (learner's permit) assuming she's ready. I'm not speeding her along. She doesn't go forward until she's ready. I have to say though, after riding her 250 all weekend, getting on my Hog was different. Her bike really fits her. The handlebars are close together and closer to me. The pegs are basically below the plane of my back so my feet are more underneath me. The frigging mirrors have a fairly small adjusting range. Getting on the harley later was interesting. I have extended forward controls and the "jiffy stand" is also farther forward where hers is way back. She's already complaining about the 250. It can be difficult to find Neutral. I'm finding that it drops in if I find it while still moving. She's hoping her next bike has an easier neutral. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 07:58:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JBwNSi012038; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:58:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JBwMbo012027; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:58:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Training Days Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:56:10 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <02081907334101.08244@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> In-Reply-To: <02081907334101.08244@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02081907561002.08244@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just a couple of other comments. I received just as many waves on the 250 as I did on my bike. Most of them had the best expressions on their faces but still :-) While stopping at the Exxon to get gas, I heard a big bike start up a couple of lanes over. As he pulled out and started to go by, the look on his face was priceless. You see, I'm 6'4" in my boots and weigh about 260. Oh, and in September we'll be heading out to Tahoe. I'm pushing hard to rent a bike. No I don't expect her to rent one but I do expect her to enjoy the ride more. We'll be hitting Boise on the trip so it should be a nice scenic ride. Later, Carl On Monday 19 August 2002 07:33, Carl Schelin wrote: -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 08:49:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JCn7Si012516; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:49:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JCn5B5012502; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:49:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:48:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Car Inspection.....No Moto In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020819054539.U73962-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Rob Keiser wrote: > Does anyone have a recommendation for a good place to get a car inspected in > the Germantown/Gaithersburg area? Also, what does a MD inspection cost? A family friend owns Montgomery Village Auto Clinic near the Village Mall on 124. I've used them in the past for inspections (even pre-purchase inspections). The owner's name is Mike. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 08:59:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JCxFSi012703; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:59:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JCxFDB012696; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:59:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Car Inspection.....No Moto Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:58:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2002 12:58:09.0031 (UTC) FILETIME=[113BC170:01C24780] I concur with Wayne. I have used them for MC inspections as well as some work on the various cages. Good people. I have no idea what a car inspection costs, however. Perry >From: Wayne Edelen >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Car Inspection.....No Moto >Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:48:05 -0700 (PDT) > >On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Rob Keiser wrote: > > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a good place to get a car >inspected in > > the Germantown/Gaithersburg area? Also, what does a MD inspection cost? > >A family friend owns Montgomery Village Auto Clinic near the Village Mall >on 124. I've used them in the past for inspections (even pre-purchase >inspections). The owner's name is Mike. > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 09:10:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JDALSi013028; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:10:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JDAK08013020; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:10:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020819131017.66468.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:10:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Spike Bike! (was RE: Scooter Article in Post) To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020817133530.49449.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: > TG wrote: > > with THAT attitude, i suggest you find a motorcycle > > quickly, or we'll be forced to ask harry to 86 your > > spiteful, pedaling, lane-hogging ass.... > > Seems TG has not been properly introduced to Spike Bike. > Any peddal > pushers here got their rig setup? (do a google search) yes, i see your logic. i point out to the group that a "member" is a non-rider with an attitude.... and i should be introduced to Spike Bike. whatever. 'afternoon, Spike Bike. say hello to Jersey Wall. > Growing up in Japan there was none of this pansy-behavior > by cage > drivers with regard to bicyclists. They just blew by you > with inches to > spare. As a bicyclist you just learned to not only > project presence but > also to be predictable and deal with it. The avid > bicyclists out there > are arguably well equipped to deal with narrow margins, > it's the moms > and kids and the wobbly dad that make me shiver. It's > that just cage > drivers too often don't know where their bloody fenders > are. I get > tired waving over-fearful drivers by. What's THEIR damn > problem? Can't > they drive? no. they cannot. welcome to america. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 09:12:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JDCkSi013183; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:12:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JDCkBP013172; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:12:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020819131239.48149.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:12:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Car Inspection.....No Moto To: Perry Coleman , wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i paid $71.70 last week for a md inspection --- Perry Coleman wrote: > > I have no idea what a car inspection costs, however. > > Perry > > >From: Wayne Edelen > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Car Inspection.....No Moto > >Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:48:05 -0700 (PDT) > > > >On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Rob Keiser wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a good place to > get a car > >inspected in > > > the Germantown/Gaithersburg area? Also, what does a > MD inspection cost? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 09:45:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JDjYSi013954; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:45:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JDjT3l013935; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:45:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:44:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Car Inspection.....No Moto In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020819063903.B73962-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Perry Coleman wrote: > I concur with Wayne. I have used them for MC inspections as well as some > work on the various cages. Good people. > > I have no idea what a car inspection costs, however. > > Perry Thanks for jogging my memory, Perry... they also inspected my '84 Honda VF1000F (http://www.purplecar.org/temp/vffront2.jpg - I miss that bike!) many years ago :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 09:57:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JDvDSi014086; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:57:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JDvCJv014075; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:57:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-pair-Authenticated: 209.124.21.254 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: Subject: RE: harpers ferry ride Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:56:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c24788$4270faa0$3345080a@R1100S> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <20020819060807.32500.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > Garmin Emap guru? A paper map would have done better I think. There's a "setup map" option where you can change the detail level. > 100 fluid oz consumed during the trip and I probably should > have had more. Isn't that the truth. Yesterday I was out on a ride to 211 and my 70 oz Camelbak ran dry. It's amazing just how much fluid you need to replenish when you're riding. > safety gear quotient was IMO quite lacking however. I'm glad > there weren't any accidents. I prefer not to tempt fate. Now more than ever am I believer of wearing full gear. Yesterday, I had my first get off while on 211. Fortunately, I always, always, always wear full gear. I'm ok, except for a sore knee and a bruised ego, and my bike sustained minimal damage. You never know when the unexpected will happen. And when it happens, that's not the time to be thinking about how you should've worn full gear. I don't want to imagine what I would look like if I hadn't been fully protected. Wes Hsu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 10:00:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JE0WSi014145; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:00:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JE0VKR014132; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:00:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020819140017.60263.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:00:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: harpers ferry ride To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020819060807.32500.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have an eMap, but I'm definitely not what I would call a 'guru.' It sounds like you need to turn off some of the detail. You can do this by hitting the menu button, then selecting 'setup map' or something like that. There you'll find (on the first tab I believe) some options on how much detail you'll see. You'll want to play around with the settings to come up with what you want. I normally turn off all the geographical content (rivers, lakes, etc.) and points of interest. This is usually enough for me. You could also just keep zooming in until there's less detail, but that might not be useful in some cases. Chris Weaver --- matthew patton wrote: > > (pattonme@XXXXXX) who was our designated tour > guide and GPS user, > > I have to say I need to figure out how to turn off > some of this totally > extraneous detail on the GPS. The clutter on a 2" > screen makes this > rather annoying at times. Anyone here a Garmin Emap > guru? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 10:00:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JE0kSi014177; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:00:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JE0jAW014173; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:00:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: linux1.gl.umbc.edu: jconli1 owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:00:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Conlin To: Subject: Re : Givi Rapture In-Reply-To: <200208162300.g7GN01x1004540@dirty.meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For those of you who frown upon Wingrack aesthetics, try checking out some alternatives at http://www.riderhaus.com. Five Stars makes a nice simple tubular bar attachment that doesn't detract as much from the bike's lines (and is a bit narrower than the Wingrack), and SW Motech has quick-release racks that leave only a few mounting bolts behind when not in use. I found Kawi had an OEM Givi rack for the Europe market, and they got me one in two weeks. They can get a lot of Europe-only parts for a reasonable price (including lowers, huggers, etc) for CBR, FZ, SV, Busa, Bandit, DL, VFR, ZRX, etc. Sadly the available inventory isn't online, so the best way to find out what they have sometimes is to just e-mail them. Not a paid endorser, just very happy with their service. -- Jeff Conlin Beltsville, MD '95 GPz1100 http://jeff.desi-9.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 10:17:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JEHnSi014668; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:17:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JEHnPR014664; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:17:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:17:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Anyplace local to get a Torque Wrench Calibrated? From: Rob Curtis To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4120028516234249440@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks for everyone's help. FWIW I found a place in Manassas called Capital Aviation Instruments and Avionics that will calibrate it for $35. (703-369-0500). They said it takes about a day, though I could wait for it for 1.5 hours if they aren't too busy... Rob on 8/16/02 19:42, Scott Luttrell at fastandwily@XXXXXX noted: > Email Dick Martin - dickmatco@XXXXXX he is a Mataco Dealer for the > Northern Virginia area. He is at European Service Centre every Mondays > around noon, that's in Leesburg. He'll have to send it out but he has > loaners, some times. > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Rob Curtis >> To: >> Date: 8/16/02 11:28:48 AM >> Subject: Anyplace local to get a Torque Wrench Calibrated? >> >> I got a Matco "clicker"... Anyone? Bueler? >> >> Thanks- Rob > > > > Scott Luttrell > Fast & Wily Racing > fastandwily@XXXXXX > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 11:03:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JF3RSi015206; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:03:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JF3QVp015198; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:03:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:06:39 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Wesleyan Hsu cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: harpers ferry ride In-Reply-To: <000a01c24788$4270faa0$3345080a@R1100S> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Now more than ever am I believer of wearing full gear. Yesterday, I had > my first get off while on 211. Fortunately, I always, always, always > wear full gear. I'm ok, except for a sore knee and a bruised ego, and my > bike sustained minimal damage. You never know when the unexpected will > happen. And when it happens, that's not the time to be thinking about > how you should've worn full gear. I don't want to imagine what I would > look like if I hadn't been fully protected. > > Wes Hsu > Glad to hear you are ok. Any details on the cause of the get off? I was up there around 11-1 yesterday. Nice day to ride, traffic wasn't too bad for a weekend. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 11:19:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JFJVSi015373; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:19:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JFJUP6015368; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:19:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: Stevens John R DLVA To: "DC Cycles Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: helmet laws on World News Tonight Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:19:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" and that "two-thirds of all bikers had no insurance"? Who is their fact-checker??? Cripes. John Stevens, helmeted '02 VFR, insured > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > >Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:04:13 -0400 >To: "Todd Peer" >From: Rob Winters >Subject: Re: helmet laws on World News Tonight >Cc: "AA DC Cycles" > >At 04:40 PM 8/17/2002, Todd Peer wrote: >Is that quote correct? Did you mean to say $10 billion? > >http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/motorcyclehelmetsWNT020816. html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 11:41:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JFfWSi015795; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:41:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JFfWJe015790; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:41:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009001c24797$9ff71880$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Fw: GIVI bag failure Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:44:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Forwarded from the VFR list. Those run Givis, you may find this interesting, especially the durability of the bags when they come off at speed and become a missile. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott" <98-VFR800@XXXXXX> Subject: GIVI bag failure > Howdy, > > I had a most interesting ride this evening. While cruising down > one of my favorite local backroads, I had occasion to pass a slower > moving cage. Not really being in a big hurry to make the pass, I take > my time and keep the relative speed difference to a minimum. As I am > drifting back into my lane and coming across the centerline, I hit a > small but sharp bump in the road that sends a pretty harsh jolt through > the bike. It is nothing of note really except for the fact that nary an > instant later I am hit in the back, on my upper shoulders and helmet, > by a flying E50 topcase. As I glance back behind me I see my bag > spinning and bouncing wildly at about 75mph. Off it goes into the weeds > and woods as I turn my attention back to winding road ahead. > I pull over at the crest of a hill to turn around. As I am > waiting, the car I just passed pulls into the driveway where I am > sitting. Apparently, this is her destination. I stop the bike and walk > over to make sure she is okay and to see if the bag ever contacted her > car. She's fine and informs me that she had no idea what it was, but > she saw it come off the bike and was able to slow and avoid hitting it > as it danced its bizarre ballet across the asphalt. I apoligize for > having scared her. Thank goodness I was not in the middle of some > squidly rpm screaming pass when I went around her. She seemed quite > calm about the whole thing hehe. > I head back to see what might be left of the bag. It is sitting > off on the shoulder, wedged under the lower strand of a barbed wire > fence against the trunk of a large tree, unopend and mostly intact! A > few minor pieces of plastic trim have popped out of place and are > easily put right. Other than some serious road rash on the exterior of > the bag, it seems to be fine and completely intact. > Upon closer inspection, I immediately spot the cause of the > bag's untimely departure. The main latch mechanism suffered a brittle > metal fracture when I hit the bump. See this picture: > > http://pages.tca.net/sfriday/VFR800/E50-failure1.jpg > > The interesting thing is that the bag was very nearly empty at the > time. I had some gloves and a face shield in it. The bright silver spot > on the dark metal is the failure point. This is the piece that hooks > into the post at the rear of the base plate. I did not find the piece > that broke off. Now I wonder if GIVI will cover this under warranty? > The bag is about 1 year old of course. > I am most fortunate that there was not another rider behind me. > I am also glad that it did not bounce up and into the woman's > windshield. This could have really been a bad scene if things had gone > only slightly different in an instant. I will gladly replace this bag > with another GIVI. I have used them on both of our VFR's for a few > years now and am quite impressed with their durability and quality. I > just hope that this particular failure is a "freak" thing and not > likely to occur again. So those of you out there toting GIVI bags, > think twice about overloading them! > > Adios, > > -- > Scott Friday > 98-VFR800@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 12:08:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JG8FSi016150; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:08:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JG8EZI016142; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:08:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020819160812.3707.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:08:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: m/c hauler.... SOLD! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <009001c24797$9ff71880$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii well, you all missed out.... i sold the tacoma. buyer ($11k) is happy as shit. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 12:26:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JGQJSi016417; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:26:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JGQJ3u016412; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:26:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.103.161.143] From: "Altaan Choudhry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Commute Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:25:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2002 16:25:13.0174 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE998760:01C2479C] Anybody on this list commuting via bikes from RESTON/HERNDON are to Washington DC? Altaan Choudhry _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 12:30:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JGUFSi016483; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:30:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JGUFdF016474; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:30:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:29:08 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2002 16:29:08.0379 (UTC) FILETIME=[8ACAF6B0:01C2479D] Does anyone know a good way to take a nap at the office without getting busted? Long weekend on the road and now I'm whipped. The double expresso didn't kick in @ all. Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 12:32:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JGWaSi016523; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:32:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JGWapx016514; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:32:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020819163234.89658.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:32:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: To: Adam Wah , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Adam Wah wrote: > Does anyone know a good way to take a nap at the office > without getting > busted? i'm an expert here. but i will need at least a rough understanding of the office layout.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 12:35:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JGZDSi016813; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:35:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JGZC4l016804; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:35:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020819123430.02314a80@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:35:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Commute In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:25 PM 8/19/2002 -0400, Altaan Choudhry wrote: >Anybody on this list commuting via bikes from RESTON/HERNDON are to >Washington DC? > >Altaan Choudhry > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Only if I get a job. Where you located in the Reston/Herndon area? I'm in Herndon. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 12:37:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JGbGSi016989; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:37:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JGbGQH016974; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:37:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511F980@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Commute Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:37:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Why? I have, not now though. -----Original Message----- From: Altaan Choudhry [mailto:altaanc@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 12:25 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Commute Anybody on this list commuting via bikes from RESTON/HERNDON are to Washington DC? Altaan Choudhry _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 12:43:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JGh5Si017152; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:43:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JGh5Nw017145; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:43:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Adam Wah" , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:40:51 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208191240510N.08244@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 19 August 2002 12:29, Adam Wah wrote: > Does anyone know a good way to take a nap at the office without getting > busted? > > Long weekend on the road and now I'm whipped. The double expresso didn't > kick in @ all. > We've had a couple of folks here go to the bathroom. As long as you don't snore, it should be relatively private. Other than that, it would depend on what you do and where. Computer room isn't a good place. If you don't snore you can even do it at your desk. There's always an office of someone who's out. At the minimum, you could just tell it like it is. As long as you don't take naps every day and it's not that busy, the boss should understand. There are studies that indicate a couple of short (20-30) minute naps really increase productivity. Of course, I don't know your boss. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 12:51:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JGpcSi017386; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:51:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JGpcGu017380; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:51:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-pair-Authenticated: 209.124.21.254 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: Subject: RE: harpers ferry ride Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:51:25 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c247a0$aba6f3e0$3345080a@R1100S> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > Glad to hear you are ok. Any details on the cause of the get > off? I was > up there around 11-1 yesterday. Nice day to ride, traffic > wasn't too bad > for a weekend. I'm not sure. I was entering a left hander when my rear wheel slipped out. My friend behind me thinks the rear wheel locked up and he did see the slip, but I know it didn't lock up, as I never apply much pressure to the rear brake. It felt more like a patch of oil more than anything else. But, I really wouldn't know what happened, since this is my first time I've experienced this and I didn't take the time to inspect the road. I was more concerned about getting to a safe spot where I could assess the damage. If you're on the list, thanks to the two other riders who stopped to assist. It was greatly appreciated. Wesleyan Hsu Ashburn, VA '01 R1100SA '96 CBR900RR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 12:57:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JGv8Si017561; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:57:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JGv8NU017556; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:57:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020819165706.74810.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:57:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric M. Winslow" Subject: MSF Beginner Course availability? To: dc-cycles list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello all. Do any of the MSF instructors on this list (or anybody else who's in the know) know of available slots for the beginner course in Maryland or Virginia. I thought it was discussed earlier, but an archive search came up empty. I have a couple of friends that are looking to take it ASAP. Thanks. Eric '94 KLR650 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 12:57:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JGvXSi017604; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:57:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JGvXDb017599; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:57:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BA83@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'MacDa@XXXXXX'" Subject: Show offs Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:02:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Show-offs ruffled Scott R. Russell to report, "I spot two motorcycles (sport) coming West on Rt. 50, then I notice a headlight head up in the air. They are both in the fast lane I notice that one has begun a wheelie as proceeding in the same lane with the other. The other cycle the person on it is sitting with his butt on the gas tank, legs over the handlebars almost resting on the front wheel and hands on the controls. If this was you, I am sorry but this is my opinion, and I am entitled to it. Get out and enjoy riding your cycle, but not hot dogging it in traffic where one slip and people get hurt or killed." I understand your ire. Hot doggers tend to cast a bad light on the rest of us (tho it is a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy on the part of the "BD" cagers) But, from a public safety stand point, the only one in peril is the hot dogger. If he/she drops it, the danger to surrounding cagers is minimal (unless an incompetent driver panics and moves his/her land yacht into an unlucky econo-cage -- or -- worse into a noble motorcyclist.) What gets my dander is operators of four wheeled behemoths, eating, drinking, or talking on the phone while in heavy traffic. One false move on the part of the monster's driver and many around it are endangered. Plus, their inconsiderate, thoughtless, heedless behavior is not as entertaining as a wheelie. Primaries and elections are coming up this Fall. Good questions to put to the candidates are: Is the Rocket Riders program a good use of resources, especially when motorcyclists endanger primarily themselves? Wouldn't these resources be better applied to drivers of large vehicles such as vans, SUVs and large sedans? Motorcyclists need to get special licenses because they are more difficult to operate than autos and there is greater danger to the unskilled operator. Shouldn't operators of vehicles weighing more than two tons (1.5 tons?) also have to get special licenses? These large heavy vehicles are more difficult to operate and more importantly, they are a greater danger to other vehicle operators. Carl in Bethesda (It wasn't me, the Sabre can't get it up) Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) http://www.crashmancomics.com/sabmag/rogues/carlcuster.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 12:59:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JGxqSi017896; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:59:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JGxqMQ017890; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:59:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: "Eric M. Winslow" , "dc-cycles list" Subject: RE: MSF Beginner Course availability? Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:59:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020819165706.74810.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal If you show up, usually they have openings on stand by lottery. I have gotten in both times that way. Just have a check or money order for the amount ready and all your gear. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Eric M. Winslow [mailto:ericwinslow@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 12:57 PM To: dc-cycles list Subject: MSF Beginner Course availability? Hello all. Do any of the MSF instructors on this list (or anybody else who's in the know) know of available slots for the beginner course in Maryland or Virginia. I thought it was discussed earlier, but an archive search came up empty. I have a couple of friends that are looking to take it ASAP. Thanks. Eric '94 KLR650 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 13:10:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JHArSi018397; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:10:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JHAqWa018385; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:10:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: altaanc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Commute Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:10:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2002 17:10:45.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AE873E0:01C247A3] Altaan, I don't necessarily "commute" that route, but my office is in Herndon and some of my clients are in DC. As a result, I commute between Gaithersburg, Herndon, and DC on a regular basis. Any particular reason you're asking the question? Perry >From: "Altaan Choudhry" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Commute >Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:25:12 -0400 > >Anybody on this list commuting via bikes from RESTON/HERNDON are to >Washington DC? > >Altaan Choudhry > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 13:23:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JHNLSi018509; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:23:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JHNLN4018502; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:23:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:23:17 -0400 Subject: Re: napping From: Rob Curtis To: Adam Wah , DC-CYCLES Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7JHNKSi018490 I can sleep under my desk... The real trick is not to snore. Pillows help. If you don't have the setup that allows you to curl up on the carpet out of sight, (or folks would miss you) just tell your boss you are wrecked and you'll make it up later in the week. Rob on 8/19/02 12:29, Adam Wah at hotrivet@XXXXXX noted: > Does anyone know a good way to take a nap at the office without getting > busted? > > Long weekend on the road and now I'm whipped. The double expresso didn't > kick in @ all. > > > > > > Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with > Catsup. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 13:25:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JHPFSi018677; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:25:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JHPFRQ018665; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:25:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020819172513.85035.qmail@web9406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:25:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: MSF Beginner Course availability? To: "Eric M. Winslow" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020819165706.74810.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just took the course this weekend at Loudoun NVCC(had a blast!) and the instructors told me that the Lord Fairfax (?) Community College near Winchester only had a 6-week waiting list, rather than the 10-month wait I wound up with... Brian --- "Eric M. Winslow" wrote: > Hello all. > > Do any of the MSF instructors on this list (or > anybody else who's in > the know) know of available slots for the beginner > course in Maryland > or Virginia. I thought it was discussed earlier, but > an archive search > came up empty. > > I have a couple of friends that are looking to take > it ASAP. > > Thanks. > Eric > '94 KLR650 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 13:31:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JHVvSi018978; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:31:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JHVvqw018971; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:31:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: harpers ferry ride Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:32:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2002 17:30:51.0945 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A4A4990:01C247A6] Dan, Are you nutz!! 211 was PACKED. It was the busiest i have seen. Our little group parked at the end of the run, and waited about 10 minutes, 30 more squids showed up. We started to wheelie up and down the mountain etc.. I had to lanesplit on 211 because it was so damm packed. Ricardo Nice day to ride, traffic wasn't too bad for a weekend. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 13:40:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JHeCSi019159; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:40:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JHeCQZ019154; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:40:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020819173953.17412.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:39:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: harpers ferry ride To: Ricardo Pontes , dccycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii our group passed through thornton gap a little after 9am saturday. the road was almost empty. however, in ~450 miles through va/wva, four (4) police vehicles were spotted.... all within 40 miles of thorton gap. --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > Dan, > > Are you nutz!! 211 was PACKED. It was the busiest i have > seen. Our little > group parked at the end of the run, and waited about 10 > minutes, 30 more > squids showed up. We started to wheelie up and down the > mountain etc.. I had > to lanesplit on 211 because it was so damm packed. > > Ricardo > > Nice day to ride, traffic wasn't too bad > for a weekend. > > Dan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 13:41:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JHfvSi019198; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:41:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JHfu0A019192; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:41:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: "Rob Curtis" , "Adam Wah" , "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: napping Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:41:37 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Duct tape helps you from snoring too. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Rob Curtis [mailto:rcurtis@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:23 PM To: Adam Wah; DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: napping I can sleep under my desk... The real trick is not to snore. Pillows help. If you don't have the setup that allows you to curl up on the carpet out of sight, (or folks would miss you) just tell your boss you are wrecked and you'll make it up later in the week. Rob on 8/19/02 12:29, Adam Wah at hotrivet@XXXXXX noted: > Does anyone know a good way to take a nap at the office without getting > busted? > > Long weekend on the road and now I'm whipped. The double expresso didn't > kick in @ all. > > > > > > Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with > Catsup. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 14:42:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JIgGSi020106; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:42:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JIgDlb020087; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:42:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1ab.7061d60.2a9295fb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:42:03 EDT Subject: Re: trip report part 2 (lengthy!)--- training with the Highway Patrol To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/18/2002 10:23:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mprodgers@XXXXXX writes: > The secret to this goes > against everything I've been taught... you're not supposed to look ahead of > you at all! The only way you can accomplish this chore is to lock the > steering in the direction you want to turn, then turn your head completely > over the shoulder that's in the direction of the turn. What MSF teaches is to look where you want to go, not ahead, but where you _want_ to go. This is important when in an emergency you have to miss something in your path, sometimes following a narrow path through something scary like two cars. Every instinct we have is to look at the scary thing and we must not, we must look at the path we want/need to take. Take it from an old dirt racer, if you look at the stump, rut, branch... you will hit it EVERY time. It is often asked "what is the value of learning things like U turns at slow speeds?" Looking where you want to go is one of the important things we can learn in slow speed maneuvers. (Another reason for dismounting to the right is that if you lose your balance, say your foot bumps the trunk, you will stumble/fall AWAY from traffic not into it, and thats a good thing.) Keep up the reports, I for one am enjoyed reading the first one. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 15:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JJFPSi020628; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:15:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JJFPvE020623; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:15:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:15:10 EDT Subject: Re: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/19/2002 12:30:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hotrivet@XXXXXX writes: > Long weekend on the road and now I'm whipped. The double expresso didn't > kick in @ all. Or perhaps it did, and without it.... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 15:19:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JJJrSi020913; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:19:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JJJrPP020907; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:19:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020819151924.0237b578@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:19:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:15 PM 8/19/2002 -0400, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 8/19/2002 12:30:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >hotrivet@XXXXXX writes: > > > Long weekend on the road and now I'm whipped. The double expresso didn't > > kick in @ all. > >Or perhaps it did, and without it.... > > >John. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX *VERY* good point John. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 15:20:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JJKvSi021096; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:20:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JJKvdk021091; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:20:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:20:42 EDT Subject: Re: harpers ferry ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/19/2002 12:52:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wes@XXXXXX writes: > I know it didn't lock up, as I never apply much pressure > to the rear brake. Oh are you going to catch hell for that one! Clearly you were at the limit of traction, or your wheel would not have slid at all, at that point ANY braking can push you over the limit. Recommendation? Do not combine braking and cornering at all. Let the fun begin. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 16:31:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JKVjSi021884; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:31:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JKVetV021865; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:31:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:31:29 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: hotrivet@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: (no subject) Message-ID: <27C3BF34.054EFE45.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sorry. No good ideas unless you have an office with a lock on the door. Then you just close and lock it and make it appear that you are on a conference call. Hypothetically of course. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:29:08 +0000, hotrivet@XXXXXX writes: > > > Does anyone know a good way to take a nap at the office without getting > busted? > > Long weekend on the road and now I'm whipped. The double expresso didn't > kick in @ all. > > > > > > Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with > Catsup. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _____ > Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 16:34:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JKY9Si022037; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:34:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JKY9cg022032; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:34:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006601c247c0$7f6036a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: Subject: Rear wheel skids, was Re: harpers ferry ride Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:37:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: > In a message dated 8/19/2002 12:52:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > wes@XXXXXX writes: > > > I know it didn't lock up, as I never apply much pressure > > to the rear brake. > > Oh are you going to catch hell for that one! > Clearly you were at the limit of traction, or your wheel would not have slid > at all, at that point ANY braking can push you over the limit. > Recommendation? Do not combine braking and cornering at all. > Let the fun begin. > > > John Walters (Long John) No need to touch the rear brake either. The throttle can do that too. Roll on a big handful of throttle while leaning and the tire can "step out" (skid) on you, the bike falls, and you lowside. Sometimes during this slide it can "hook up" again (suddenly regain traction) if you roll off the throttle. The rear of the bike violently snaps back in line with the front and that can send you vaulting over the bars in a highside. This exact scenario happened to me a few weeks back, but I managed to stick with the bike and keep the shiny parts up. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 16:39:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JKdlSi022326; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:39:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JKdkUA022319; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:39:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:39:26 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: MacDa@XXXXXX|, MacDa@XXXXXX, rcurtis@XXXXXX, hotrivet@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: napping Message-ID: <57786BC1.10C8B117.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OK....I'll bite. How? Scooter In a message dated Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:41:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, MacDa@XXXXXX writes: > > > Duct tape helps you from snoring too. > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Curtis [mailto:rcurtis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:23 PM > To: Adam Wah; DC-CYCLES > Subject: Re: napping > > > I can sleep under my desk... The real trick is not to snore. Pillows help. > If you don't have the setup that allows you to curl up on the carpet out of > sight, (or folks would miss you) just tell your boss you are wrecked and > you'll make it up later in the week. > Rob > > > > on 8/19/02 12:29, Adam Wah at hotrivet@XXXXXX noted: > > > Does anyone know a good way to take a nap at the office without getting > > busted? > > > > Long weekend on the road and now I'm whipped. The double expresso didn't > > kick in @ all. > > > > > > > > > > > > Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well > with > > Catsup. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 16:42:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JKgWSi022615; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:42:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JKgWdX022607; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:42:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: , , , Subject: RE: napping Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:40:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <57786BC1.10C8B117.0C9D3659@aol.com> Importance: Normal duct tape over the mouth cures your snoring, just can't breathe too well afterwards. -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:39 PM To: MacDa@XXXXXX|; MacDa@XXXXXX; rcurtis@XXXXXX; hotrivet@XXXXXX; DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: napping OK....I'll bite. How? Scooter In a message dated Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:41:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, MacDa@XXXXXX writes: > > > Duct tape helps you from snoring too. > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Curtis [mailto:rcurtis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:23 PM > To: Adam Wah; DC-CYCLES > Subject: Re: napping > > > I can sleep under my desk... The real trick is not to snore. Pillows help. > If you don't have the setup that allows you to curl up on the carpet out of > sight, (or folks would miss you) just tell your boss you are wrecked and > you'll make it up later in the week. > Rob > > > > on 8/19/02 12:29, Adam Wah at hotrivet@XXXXXX noted: > > > Does anyone know a good way to take a nap at the office without getting > > busted? > > > > Long weekend on the road and now I'm whipped. The double expresso didn't > > kick in @ all. > > > > > > > > > > > > Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well > with > > Catsup. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 17:08:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JL8CSi022888; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:08:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JL8CC2022883; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:08:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:08:01 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: harpers ferry ride Message-ID: <0DFE41DC.407B8FCD.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit looks like i missed a great ride. i'm glad everyone made it back safely. maybe i'll make the next group ride. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 19:41:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JNf3Si024384; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:41:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JNf3q0024376; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:41:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:40:15 -0400 Subject: Harpers Ferry ride From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Furgit the GPS. Next time you folks want to see some great roads around here ping me. Bob McKeithen Harpers Ferry ,WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 19:51:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JNpeSi024680; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:51:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JNpebi024676; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:51:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: toddt@XXXXXX Subject: Good customer service report Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:51:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7JNpcSi024664 Earlier this year I bought two complete new Joe Rocket riding suits - one for hot weather composed of a reactor jacket and pheonix pants and one for all other weather composed of a hard drive jacket and revolution pants. I got caught in the rain about three weeks ago while wearing the hot weather suit. The red leather of the reactor jacket bled. So, I sent a complaint to Joe Rocket and asked what they'd do about it. They told me to send it back. I also asked what I might do to make my hard drive jacket more waterproof (the shoulders leaked) and was told to just send that back as well. So, a couple weeks ago I shipped off the reactor and hard drive jackets with a request to switch the reactor to plain black (instead of the red/white/black I was sending to them). They received the stuff on 8/9 and shipped new jackets back to me on 8/12 (the next business day). Today I received the new jackets. :) The reactor is even an updated model with an inside chest pocket (none on old jacket) and dimples on the back armor (to improve air flow, I suppose). Way cool! I have my doubts that the hard drive is going to leak any less than the one I sent back but I'll have to wait for rain to know for sure. Regardless, they honored their warranty and did so without any kind of pushing or extra effort from me. Kudos to Joe Rocket! Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 21:58:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7K1wGSi025565; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:58:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7K1wFIn025552; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:58:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Re : Givi Rapture Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:56:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal AND there is a local supplier for Five Star and SW-Motech stuff - my employer Adventure Motorcycle Gear. We also sell Rukka gear, Givi, Bagster and lots of other stuff I don't even know about yet. 800-217-3526 Yes, I do have a stake in this. Now, back to your regular programming... LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com Jeff Conlin said: For those of you who frown upon Wingrack aesthetics, try checking out some alternatives at http://www.riderhaus.com. Five Stars makes a nice simple tubular bar attachment that doesn't detract as much from the bike's lines (and is a bit narrower than the Wingrack), and SW Motech has quick-release racks that leave only a few mounting bolts behind when not in use. I found Kawi had an OEM Givi rack for the Europe market, and they got me one in two weeks. They can get a lot of Europe-only parts for a reasonable price (including lowers, huggers, etc) for CBR, FZ, SV, Busa, Bandit, DL, VFR, ZRX, etc. Sadly the available inventory isn't online, so the best way to find out what they have sometimes is to just e-mail them. Not a paid endorser, just very happy with their service. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 22:13:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7K2DOSi025812; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:13:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7K2DNK4025793; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:13:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [65.129.36.113] From: "Aaron Ward" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: hotrivet@XXXXXX Subject: Are you Kysh? Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:12:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2002 02:12:16.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[01769660:01C247EF] From: "Adam Wah" >Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy >and go well with Catsup. Hey I used to subscribe to the cbr list years ago, and there was a rider on that list who used the above signature. The rider went by the name: Kysh. Are you Kysh? _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Aug 19 22:56:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7K2uFSi026120; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:56:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7K2uFTR026115; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:56:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Are you Kysh? Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:54:48 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Naw, he/she is still on the CBR list and just as controversial as ever. LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com Aaron Ward said: From: "Adam Wah" >Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy >and go well with Catsup. Hey I used to subscribe to the cbr list years ago, and there was a rider on that list who used the above signature. The rider went by the name: Kysh. Are you Kysh? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 00:45:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7K4jGSi026783; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:45:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7K4jDXQ026764; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:45:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.242.139.247] From: "Pierfrancesco C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: SPAM: my 98 VFR for sale-- price drop Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:45:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2002 04:45:06.0844 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B49FDC0:01C24804] Price drop: $4,850 VFR 800 1998 for sale. K&N filter (NOT powercommander darn) dewco cover (perhaps 4 months old) tank bag tank bra D&D can Corbin seat Gorilla alarm one new oil filter Disk lock Battery tender BMW savannah XL suit Arai and HJC helmet Two sets of tools and wrenches All kinds of lubricants and stuff Dunlop 204/207 combo with plenty of thread brakes are good conditions with still a lot of life in them chain has at least another 8k miles but more if you treat it well Everything is good otherwise. Cheers, Pierfrancesco WASHINGTON DC DOWNTOWN (202) 2855725 pierfconsa@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 01:11:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7K5BLSi027039; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:11:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7K5BKYe027034; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:11:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Brian V. \(E-mail\)" , "Aki Damme \(E-mail\)" , "Carlos A. Cerra \(E-mail\)" , "Cedric Bernescut \(E-mail\)" , "Jeff Steele \(E-mail\)" , "Joe Lazarsky \(E-mail\)" , "Jon Strang \(E-mail\)" , "Lisa Goddard \(E-mail\)" , "Big Al Sevilla \(E-mail\)" , "Ken L \(E-mail\)" Subject: Part 3 of Highway Patrol training Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:19:57 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c24811$9c5909c0$4f82fea9@ticostat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I need to start by apologizing for a few things first, as I am just exhausted and doing the best I can to make sense. One comment about the adjusting of handlebars--- I might have given the impression that this method works for all bikes. I'd hoped I had made it kind of clear that this only applied to some bikes. For example, I am sure that these tips won't apply to sport bikes or bikes with custom bars. I think the best point to make here is that almost all bikes have bars that can be adjusted, and doing so is a good way to improve your control and to make your physical comfort better. Also, the phrase "panic stop" does imply not paying attention or not being in control of the bike. I used it because, quite frankly, most of the people I know use that term. Like when newly licensed riders talk about their road test, it's "a cone weave and a panic stop" never "a cone weave and an emergency stop." We are learning this maneuver as Maximum Braking, Sudden Braking and Emergency Braking depending on the speed we're going. I'll do my best to be more coherent now! Not all of this stuff is news to everyone, but some of it is news to someone, and no matter how long you've been riding or how confident you feel, it's still very true that we all have a pretty dangerous pastime. And all of us have some *bad* habits, like the stuff about putting the bike in neutral at a stop light. Everyone I know does this! And it is pretty logical to conclude that leaving the bike in gear and watching your back at a stoplight will help you out in event the guy behind you doesn't stop... it's just something to consider, basic or not. Day Three Number of bikes dropped: all of them except the instructors Major injuries: nothing but pride, pride and more pride Minor injuries: a few more of those mysterious bruises are showing up on my legs and I am beginning to wonder when they will arrange themselves in crop circles. Everyone else in the course is in the same boat. Clutches needing replacement: 3 (they say they do about 5 a class with the average clutch lasting only about 180 hours) Refueling stops: 2 (gives an idea of how much we're riding around out there) I got the days confused last night when I was reading over the outline, so the stuff I thought was today is really on another day. Today's goal was to incorporate the skills we learned over the last couple of classes into times when you'd have to make snap decisions, or times when your own survival instinct was working against you. Also some increasingly unfriendly cone patterns that I'll relay to anyone who wants to know but won't bore everyone with. We started with a session of "follow the leader" where the instructors lined up the students and led them into the different cone patterns. Nice, brisk warm up session till you realized that the instructors were planning on leading their lines towards each other with about 6 inches, crash bar to crash bar, clearance. Speeds are about 30-35mph. It's very unnerving to be passing and being passed by traffic in such close proximity. Your first reaction is to move to the outside, and get more breathing room. Unfortunately this is all taking place in a narrow alley, perhaps 10 feet across. You basically have a wall on one side of you, with about a foot of room, and another rider coming in the other direction, about half a foot apart. At the bottom of the alley the two lines u-turn, in a sort of gutter marked off by cones; one line u-turns inside the other line. At first there were a lot of curse words, a lot of near-misses, usually caused by someone jamming on the brakes and the rider behind needing to react fast. (There's about a bike length or less between riders.) It is very, very easy to get distracted by things that are not going to hurt you--- if everyone does it right, the lines stay nice and even and no one runs into each other. Once you get this through your head, and believe the instructors are not going to run you right into another rider, you can ignore them and pay attention to your path and your turns. After about 4 laps it fell into place. For those of us who ride in traffic a lot, it's a good practice for ignoring the stuff that is really not a threat (that wall is simply not going to jump out at you) and focus on the real threats. You also get a really good feel for the smallness of the space that your bike takes up, so if you need to plan a quick escape along a jersey wall or such, you're more comfortable and more accurate doing so. This is also pretty cool because you can do it without any special setups, just a couple buddies and an alley. We were assigned a new pattern of cones, a series of tight U-turns with some built-in scarier obstacles. One is a chain-link fence; if you're looking into the pattern, that's on your right, and on your left is a concrete wall about 22' high. This wall is striped blue from scraping fairings and there's a generous number of tire marks on it. Most of the tire marks are at the middle of the pattern because that's where they've placed a long strip of concrete, kind of what they put in parking garages to keep cars from hitting the cars in front of them. This barrier is along the base of Turn 2, and claimed a number of victims. Your first reaction is to stare at it, which blows your setup for Turn 3... or worse, complete the turn, look back at the barrier, and scoot right into the chain link fence. We had I think 2 fence victims and a valuable lesson: if your bike's front tire goes over a barrier but the back doesn't and you're hung up, do NOT lay on throttle to get the back end over it. Get someone to pick it up by the bag bars and scoot the back end down the barrier till the bike is free. (or grab bar, or pegs, or whatever your particular bike has in the way of a handle-type thing) Moving along, we started in on a segment geared towards fast decision-making. At the base of the lane are several cones in a straight line and an escape hole on either side of them. About 6 feet ahead is a gate, and about 40 feet before that is another gate. We start about 100 yards away and throttle up to third; when crossing into the first gate we begin the emergency braking. We're supposed to go through the second gate and make the quick left or right to choose our escape path. Once that's been done properly (if you hit a cone you are told you killed a pedestrian or got hit by a van) the instructors line up at the escape holes; once you've begun to brake, they will rearrange the escape holes so you never take the same way out twice. More importantly, you don't know when you begin where you will end; you can't set up your final turn in advance because it's likely to have been blocked off by the time you get there. This, I think, is really valuable because it's just like real life; in an emergency situation you may have an escape route all planned only to find your path out has been filled by a car or such. Progressively harder, we were given the choice of a tiny empty space in which to escape, knowing your bike won't fit in it, or a very small obstacle to hit. You have to decide if it's better to brush up between the SUV's or run over the cat. Sometimes an empty space is just not available and you have to go with the lesser of two evils. Crashing tips: if you absolutely have to collide with a car, semi, whatever, you have to fight the urge to freeze up. It's gonna suck, but you can minimize the suckage if you think about what you're going to hit and consider a path over or under it. Scrub off all the speed you can, in any situation, but if you're going to hit a smaller obstacle, like a car, you can stand up on the pegs or floorboards right before impact, and use the pegs to push yourself up and over. Takes a lot of practice and you're almost guaranteed to break something, but I'd think you'd fare better than simply hitting the car. For something bigger, like a semi, dump speed and at the last instant you want to pull on one of the handlebars. Which one will be up to you; I do better with stuff that goes to the left, so I'd pick the left bar. At any rate, the bike will lay down on its side. Your biggest challenge is to get your leg out from under the bike--- that's why you work your strong side. My left leg will be easier for me to get out from under the bike. If you can press the bike away from your body even better. What you're hoping for is the bike to go under the semi followed by you. Not a fun idea but definitely better than splatting against the side of a truck! Anyway, I had a good start and a rough end to the courses today; I got overtired and frustrated after my clutch was one of the ones that had died. In getting used to the new clutch I stalled out a couple of times, once in the middle of a lean. The bike does not like leaning when there is no more centrifugal force to keep it up. I fought to keep the bike up but down it went, in slow motion. Nothing hurt but my self-confidence and I spent a long time blowing courses I'd done easily earlier in the day. Getting more frustrated only made me make more mistakes. I took a break, walked around a bit, cleared my head, but never got all the way back into my "groove." Point being: On course or out on the road, any time you do not feel in control--- maybe you're tired, maybe you have something in your eye, maybe traffic is freaking you out--- that's a real good time to get off the bike and walk around for a few minutes. (Yep, it is basic common sense but I know a lot of people who will ride when they're not in the best mindset, especially when they are in a group) I feel like I have to once again state my complete admiration for these highway patrolmen. The debate goes on about their lack of protective gear. You have to believe me when I say that these guys are as in control of their bikes as we are of our shoes. Some of the things I see them do almost defy gravity. If I could go out and buy EITHER their knowledge OR a set of leathers, I'd be picking the knowledge. No contest. Cheers, more to come soon... Patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 06:05:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KA5WSi028832; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:05:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KA5Van028824; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:05:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Wesleyan Hsu" Cc: Subject: Re: harpers ferry ride Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:18:00 -0400 Message-ID: References: <002701c247a0$aba6f3e0$3345080a@R1100S> In-Reply-To: <002701c247a0$aba6f3e0$3345080a@R1100S> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7KA5USi028812 in concepts of riding sportbikes; I think you've joined the ranks of being an example of why not to use the back brake. I never never never use my back brake unless I'm on grass, gravel or wet ground...and NEVER in or near a curve. Too much rear brake just adds too much misalignment and uncontrollability to the bike. oh yea i pretty much follow textbook rules when I take curves: approach curve... brake before the curve.. get off the brakes before the curve.. go in slow... look through the curve, smoothly roll on the throttle, then come out fast.. Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 06:19:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KAJLSi029152; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:19:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KAJLvB029147; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:19:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Interesting Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:17:07 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208200617070V.08244@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit While driving in this morning I felt the need to sneeze. Typically I ride with a full face helmet. *flip-up* *sneeze* *flip-down* at 70 or so. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 06:21:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KALNSi029433; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:21:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KALNh0029426; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:21:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 05:21:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Interesting In-Reply-To: <0208200617070V.08244@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > *flip-up* *sneeze* *flip-down* at 70 or so. Now you know how astronauts must feel. Fish. houston, my left toe is itching, arrrrrrgh From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 06:33:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KAXmSi029736; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:33:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KAXmLF029731; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:33:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Interesting Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:31:36 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208200631360X.08244@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 20 August 2002 06:21, Fish Flowers wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > > *flip-up* *sneeze* *flip-down* at 70 or so. > > Now you know how astronauts must feel. > I wonder if they have inside windshield washers? Canadian astronaut Chris Hadfield responds: "...These suits cover the entire body, including boots, gloves and a helmet. That means you can't scratch your nose or wipe your eyes, and if you sneeze, it's best to turn your head inside the helmet first!" Those wacky Canadians. > Fish. > houston, my left toe is itching, arrrrrrgh "I gotta itch, I gotta itch, I gotta itch. I'm thinking of something oraaannnge, something oraaannnge.." Weird Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 07:50:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KBomSi030326; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:50:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KBol9K030315; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:50:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <161.128f6604.2a93870c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:50:36 EDT Subject: Re: Part 3 of Highway Patrol training To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/20/2002 1:11:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mprodgers@XXXXXX writes: > If I could go out and buy EITHER their knowledge OR a set of > leathers, I'd be picking the knowledge. No contest. I like that quote! Simple, to the point, correct (IMHO.) Thanks John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 07:52:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KBqUSi030712; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:52:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KBqUcC030706; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:52:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1ac.7107bc7.2a938775@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:52:21 EDT Subject: Re: harpers ferry ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/20/2002 6:05:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > i pretty much follow textbook rules when I take curves: Not if you only use one brake you dont! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 07:53:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KBr7Si030861; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:53:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KBr7ZF030857; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:53:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:52:38 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: piffiffi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SPAM: my 98 VFR for sale-- price drop Message-ID: <577B9475.06A2BDBB.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I thought you sold it already? What happened? Buyer back out? Scooter In a message dated Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:45:06 +0000, piffiffi@XXXXXX writes: > > > Price drop: $4,850 > > VFR 800 1998 for sale. > > K&N filter (NOT powercommander darn) > dewco cover (perhaps 4 months old) > tank bag > tank bra > D&D can > Corbin seat > Gorilla alarm > one new oil filter > > Disk lock > Battery tender > BMW savannah XL suit > Arai and HJC helmet > Two sets of tools and wrenches > All kinds of lubricants and stuff > > Dunlop 204/207 combo with plenty of thread > brakes are good conditions with still a lot of life in them > chain has at least another 8k miles but more if you treat it well > Everything is good otherwise. > > > Cheers, > Pierfrancesco > WASHINGTON DC DOWNTOWN (202) 2855725 > pierfconsa@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 07:57:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KBvnSi031256; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:57:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KBvnbT031251; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:57:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:57:20 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Interesting Message-ID: <1FF67E7E.5F887990.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yep...sounds very interesting indeed. ;-) I've always wondered what would happen if I had to sneeze on the bike. I wear a full face also. So, was there sprayback or did it just make it out under the chinbar? hehe Scooter In a message dated Tue, 20 Aug 2002 5:17:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > While driving in this morning I felt the need to sneeze. > > Typically I ride with a full face helmet. > > *flip-up* *sneeze* *flip-down* at 70 or so. > > Carl > -- > Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 08:12:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KCCqSi031596; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:12:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KCCqZr031591; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:12:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Interesting Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:10:39 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <1FF67E7E.5F887990.0C9D3659@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1FF67E7E.5F887990.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02082008103910.08244@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 20 August 2002 07:57, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Yep...sounds very interesting indeed. ;-) I've always wondered what would > happen if I had to sneeze on the bike. I wear a full face also. So, was > there sprayback or did it just make it out under the chinbar? hehe > Nah, nothing apparently on the shield but the chinbar smelled like a sneeze for the rest of the ride :-] I've noticed that most of the wind is right at the head area. There is less wind at about half chest height. Since I was trying to keep the 70mph crap from flying into my unprotected eyes (for the second or so), I made sure of clear traffic and sneezed down. Grab shield, bend head down instead of flip shield up, sneeze, bend head up locking shield. Since extending my controls another 3" forward and about half that out, I've noticed a 5mph increase in gas mileage, perhaps because my knees aren't right on the tank any more. It may have split the wind to reduce the force. Speculation only. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 08:17:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KCHnSi031880; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:17:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KCHnwq031871; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:17:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:17:40 EDT Subject: Re: harpers ferry ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 DAMMIT! Not if you only use one brake _on the approach_ you dont! In a message dated 8/20/2002 6:05:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > i pretty much follow textbook rules when I take curves: Not if you only use one brake you dont! The textbook used by most riders who have used one at all says. Slow using _both_ brakes. (It states BOTH brakes.) Look through the turn. Press the handlebar in the direction of the turn to lean. Roll on the throttle. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 08:21:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KCLcSi032155; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:21:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KCLcZq032151; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:21:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:21:25 EDT Subject: Re: Interesting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/20/2002 7:57:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: > So, was there sprayback or did it just make it out under the chinbar? hehe I usually try to blow it down under the bar, hard on the lips though. And I have a beard, eeech! Oh and I have never gone hehe afterwards. NEVER! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 08:27:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KCRqSi032441; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:27:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KCRpQm032436; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:27:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <99407664A0A7D511AD9900508BB0FB03437E93@XCGVA030> From: "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'wes@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: harpers ferry ride Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 05:19:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In a message dated 8/19/2002 12:52:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wes@XXXXXX writes: > I know it didn't lock up, as I never apply much pressure > to the rear brake. I've given up the rear brake all together except for parking lot maneuvering. I tried that trail braking stuff once until my "light" touch on the brake pedal in a turn caused the rear end to skip out on me. Talk about instant pucker factor! Fortunately, I recovered unscathed. My experience is that using the brake pedal on the road at speed will eventually get you in trouble. When riding 211, I've found that engine braking is sufficient to scrub off speed if you're revs are up in the 6-7K area. Steve 97 VFR Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 09:59:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KDxASi001215; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:59:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KDx8V5001204; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:59:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbGJWXaISHBwmbvgKuVImG7MV5sPhAzxZUlo3m/+mNFuwdBEwMW7CGYQKjCkOKWV6w= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: Quote of the month! Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:58:53 -0400 Message-ID: <00f501c24851$b84d74f0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <99407664A0A7D511AD9900508BB0FB03437E93@XCGVA030> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal ---------------------- wes@XXXXXX wrote: > I know it didn't lock up, as I never apply much pressure > to the rear brake. ---------------------- --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 10:28:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KESBSi001650; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:28:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KESAZC001637; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:28:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020820142808.70336.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:28:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Quote of the month! To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: <00f501c24851$b84d74f0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jon Strang wrote: > > ---------------------- > wes@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I know it didn't lock up, as I never apply much > pressure > > to the rear brake. > > ---------------------- > > > > --jon sounds like somebody needs to put a little more air in the rear line if he wants to continue trail braking.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 10:46:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KEkdSi001910; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:46:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KEkdhN001906; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:46:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYNztvQSbjLA+I81rysVP3WWp+SXgzWBVhAZMlRU6dD7j4Ks4i1MTudi0VL8Hs2Duk= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'DC Cycles \(E-mail\)'" Subject: brakes and tires (was RE: Quote of the month!) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:46:35 -0400 Message-ID: <010001c24858$62ac34d0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020820142808.70336.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal All joking aside, with the help of a certified Mofo Mechanic, I recently put stainless steel brake lines front and rear on El Bandito Grande. Combined with new Ferodo pads up front, both feel and lever effort are now superb. Obviously, no new pads required on the rear. I can't emphasize how much of an improvement this was over stock. I wish I'd done this immediately after taking delivery of my bike when it was new. The brakes weren't bad, they're just that good now. Definitely the one best improvement/$$$ ratio of any performance mod I've done on any bike. Also, to wes the crasher: Get some more serious rubber. On BT-020s, I was sliding all over the place. With 010s, I don't get nearly as much "entertainment". And since I'm not spinning up the rear tire exiting corners anymore, I think I might get comparable mileage. --jon 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200 (hot, black, and naked) Holeshot exhaust (full system) Holeshot Stage II jet kit (K&N pod filters, etc) 5* ignition advancer GSXR intake cam Galfer s/s brake lines -----Tom Gimer wrote: --- Jon Strang wrote: > > ---------------------- > wes@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I know it didn't lock up, as I never apply much > pressure > > to the rear brake. > > ---------------------- > > > > --jon sounds like somebody needs to put a little more air in the rear line if he wants to continue trail braking.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 11:11:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KFBvSi002216; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:11:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KFBuC6002197; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:11:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:15:13 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Jon Strang cc: "'DC Cycles (E-mail)'" Subject: Re: brakes and tires (was RE: Quote of the month!) In-Reply-To: <010001c24858$62ac34d0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Also, to wes the crasher: Get some more serious rubber. On BT-020s, I was > sliding all over the place. With 010s, I don't get nearly as much > "entertainment". And since I'm not spinning up the rear tire exiting > corners anymore, I think I might get comparable mileage. > > --jon Huh? If he was regularly sliding in turns a tire upgrade might be in order... but in this case this was a "surprise" More tire will only cause a surprise to happen at a faster speed. Now for someone that is doing it for "entertainment" why yes :-D My suggestion, Twist of the Wrist II if the crasher hasn't read it yet. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 11:52:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KFqlSi002615; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:52:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KFql8B002611; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:52:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: napping Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:05:26 -0400 Message-ID: <94q4mucv8u5riqt9r4446ulvmespdhp8t5@4ax.com> References: <0208191240510N.08244@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> In-Reply-To: <0208191240510N.08244@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7KFqkSi002594 Or I would say another way to fight the dazed sleepiness is to stand up and walk around.. that should wake you up.... once awake, sit and do work, repeat as neccesary. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 12:56:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KGuJSi003118; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:56:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KGuIsM003105; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:56:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:56:09 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: To: Adam Wah Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3D6274A9.23C7B2EB@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Adam Wah wrote: > > Does anyone know a good way to take a nap at the office without > getting busted? A while ago I bought an old Chevy conversion van on a whim. It had a fold-down bed in the back. At 13 miles per gallon, I didn't drive it much, but I strongly considered parking it at work and just using it for lunchtime naps. :) Now that I'm retired, I just go upstairs and flop down on the couch when I want a little midday shuteye. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 13:27:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KHRhSi003403; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:27:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KHRhSA003398; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:27:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.49.179.96] From: "Tim Spong" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: My Harley was "keyed" last night : ( Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:26:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2002 17:26:37.0172 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCD8C340:01C2486E] Bastard completely ruined the paint job on my tank. I just don't understand why someone would want to do it? Now I'm wondering what is going to come next. I have to leave my bike out on the street so I guess there isn't really a lot I can do about it. I am wondering how Harley Davidson insurance deals with this kind of thing? I am guessing that the deducable would probably be more than a paint job :( _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 13:29:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KHTuSi003568; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:29:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KHTu18003560; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:29:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020820132935.0276dc60@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:29:48 -0400 To: "Tim Spong" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: My Harley was "keyed" last night : ( In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Tim, Where did this happen? -aki At 05:26 PM 8/20/2002 +0000, Tim Spong wrote: >Bastard completely ruined the paint job on my tank. I just don't >understand why someone would want to do it? Now I'm wondering what >is going to come next. > >I have to leave my bike out on the street so I guess there isn't >really a lot I can do about it. I am wondering how Harley Davidson >insurance deals with this kind of thing? I am guessing that the >deducable would probably be more than a paint job :( > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 13:30:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KHUFSi003609; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:30:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KHUFFe003605; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:30:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511FA61@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: My Harley was "keyed" last night : ( Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:30:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Was it covered? Seems like a cheap way to protect against that. From: Tim Spong [mailto:timspong@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 1:27 PM Bastard completely ruined the paint job on my tank. I just don't understand why someone would want to do it? Now I'm wondering what is going to come next. I have to leave my bike out on the street so I guess there isn't really a lot I can do about it. I am wondering how Harley Davidson insurance deals with this kind of thing? I am guessing that the deducable would probably be more than a paint job :( From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 14:24:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KIOWSi004195; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:24:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KIOVVa004176; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:24:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 20 Aug 2002 18:24:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20020820182430.17077.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My Harley was "keyed" last night : ( X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Tim told us: >Bastard completely ruined the paint job on my tank. I just don't >understand why someone would want to do it? Now I'm wondering what >is going to come next. [Dave] :-( that is quite bogus, Tim. It was probably kids.... Someone already suggested a cover, they do work ; out of sight, out of mind. >I have to leave my bike out on the street so I guess there isn't >really a lot I can do about it. I am wondering how Harley Davidson >insurance deals with this kind of thing? I am guessing that the >deducable would probably be more than a paint job :( [Dave] well, if the paint costs less then the deductible, then you're going to have to pay for it - unless the miscreants are caught, then you may be able to get restitution ... Good luck getting it fixed.. Dave >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 14:30:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KIUCSi004374; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:30:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KIUCKH004362; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:30:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:33:28 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My Harley was "keyed" last night : ( In-Reply-To: <20020820182430.17077.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > [Dave] well, if the paint costs less then the deductible, then you're > going to have to pay for it - unless the miscreants are caught, then you > may be able to get restitution ... > > Good luck getting it fixed.. > > Dave Now is the perfect time to let Ricardo do some custom tank painting, the helmets he did looked pretty sharp! Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 14:32:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KIWBSi004531; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:32:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KIWA2T004522; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:32:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:44:47 -0400 Message-ID: <7t25mugh4c9la0pbjsv1hups2ri5n02d07@4ax.com> References: <1ac.7107bc7.2a938775@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1ac.7107bc7.2a938775@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7KIW9Si004510 textbook for sportbikes, yes I do. If you're backwheel can slow you down on a sportbike, your'e not using your front brake effectively enough. sportbikes are too lightweight to use combined braking effectlively, and the front is so powerful it will negate the back brake. If you use the front brake even "adequately" the rear end will become so lightweight usage of the rear brake will cause the bike to fishtail and slide.. and be under less control.. How do you brake then swerve after your bike has already gone sideways? how do you steer if your'e moving forward and your bike is sideways? anyone who really knows how to ride a sportbike, knows to only use the front brake for braking before the curve. I remember and found it quite comical that the guy on speedvision as evaluating the gsxr 750 (which was new at the time) dumped it because he used the rear brake. I guess he was too used to riding older heaverier non sport bikes. (comical because he was supposed to be evaulating it, but he obviously wasn't qualified, and he didn't get hurt). On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:52:21 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/20/2002 6:05:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > >> i pretty much follow textbook rules when I take curves: > >Not if you only use one brake you dont! > >John. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 16:28:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KKS0Si005258; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:28:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KKRxTs005250; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:27:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:27:50 EDT Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/20/2002 3:01:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > I see Danny is trying to prove sportbikes live on a separate "sportbike > planet" with different physical laws. Indeed. I have no intention of starting the front/rear brake thread again, but I will not let the "do not use rear brake" go unchallenged. It is simply nonsense and if anyone takes it seriously they could get hurt. I am fully aware that a modern sportbike can do a "nosie" and of course that means there is no braking available at the rear BUT that is the extreme case, in any normal slowing (Like approaching a corner) there is little danger of anyone accidentally locking the rear brake, and if they did, locking the rear brake in a straight line is just no big deal. Not using your rear brake every time you stop (If you are racing on a track do what you want, we are talking the street here) leaves you unprepared to use it when you need it and _every_ time you stop under less then ideal conditions (Damn near every time you stop) you will get the best stop with BOTH. As for it being easier to lock the rear on a sportbike that is simply untrue. All anyone has to do is look at the brake rotor on a sportbike and compare it to a non-sportbike. The rear brake on my ST for instance is damn near as big as the front rotor on many standards, far larger/more powerful then the dinky toy rear brakes on most pure sportbikes. The manufacturers are well aware of the difference, and size the brakes accordingly. My rear brake is quite easy to lock if I am not paying attention in a hard stop, that is why I practice, practice, practice. I have ridden many sportbikes and in most cases it was HARDER to lock the rear then it is on my own bike. (In fact the last one I rode, a Buell, had an impossible to lock rear wheel (I am not sure it would have locked in a "nosie") and I was assured that it was perfectly normal.) I am done with this thread until next time. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 16:48:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KKmiSi005684; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:48:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KKmh85005675; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:48:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020820164615.02480008@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:48:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:27 PM 8/20/2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >As for it being easier to lock the rear on a sportbike that is simply untrue. ...but on a sportbike, your mass is further forward than on ... say a cruiser. Since the rear brake locks when the rear tire is under less load, it would stand to reason that a sportbike would lock the rear easier under hard braking. I'm not debating the non-use of the rear brake, just the phsics involved. Beautiful ride in this a.m. Looking forward to the cooler weather this week. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 16:55:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KKtLSi005887; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:55:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KKtKhu005880; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:55:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020820205518.83865.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:55:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/20/2002 3:01:02 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > > > I see Danny is trying to prove sportbikes live on a > separate "sportbike > > planet" with different physical laws. > > Indeed. > > I have ridden many sportbikes and in > most cases it was > HARDER to lock the rear then it is on my own bike. (In > fact the last one I > rode, a Buell, had an impossible to lock rear wheel (I am > not sure it would > have locked in a "nosie") and I was assured that it was > perfectly normal.) sounds as if some manufacturers are getting it right, from the start. soften up the rear brake AS A STANDARD, and it will help to eliminate the potentially dangerous effects of a powerful rear brake. my duc's rear brake wouldn't stop the bike in 300 feet from 50mph > I am done with this thread until next time. we'll be here bickering for some time..... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 17:53:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KLruSi006441; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:53:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KLrtfj006432; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:53:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020820215353.66591.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:53:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: My Harley was "keyed" last night : ( To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020820182430.17077.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 1. where in the u.s. can you leave a harley davidson ON THE STREET for more than a week without having it stolen? 2. protect that thang, quickly, with everything you can find: covers, locks, chocks, etc. here's a good place to start: http://www.lockitt.com/ 3. who is your insurer? i'd like to have a deducable rather than a deductible ---original message by tim spong:--- > >I have to leave my bike out on the street so I guess > there isn't > >really a lot I can do about it. I am wondering how > Harley Davidson > >insurance deals with this kind of thing? I am guessing > that the > >deducable would probably be more than a paint job :( __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 19:03:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KN3lSi007193; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:03:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KN3igk007179; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:03:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: SandmanYW@XXXXXX Message-ID: <15d.12d3743a.2a9424c7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:03:35 EDT Subject: FS-2000 Yamaha 650 V-Star Classic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 I've been lurking on this list for quite some time. I'll de-lurk to offer for sale my V-Star. It's in excellent shape, 3300 miles, stored in my garage since new. Never dropped. Yutaka From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 19:10:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KNAiSi007368; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:10:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KNAh42007362; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:10:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:14:57 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7KNAgSi007350 I ride with a bunch of what some here would call "squids". They lock teh rear brake and leave tread all the time as a form of showing off... i have yet to see any sport bike EVER lock the rear wheel in a straight line. I would like to see someone do it. show me. I have also seen a sportbike rider use both brakes in a panic situation.. and what happened? the bike went sideways and started going out of control and out of traction before it slammed into the car because it could no longer be steered.. I watched the whoel thing had he not panic'd locked up his rear, he cold have just braked and swerved and avoided the accident. John makes my arguement for me though.. he's aware the rear wheel will lift off the ground and become useless, but he says people should use the rear brake frequently so when they "need" it they can use it correctly.. fact of the matter is, if you're in a panic situation where you think you need it, it is going to lock up and cause you to swerve sideways and crash so it's better to get into the habbit of not using it, so when your panic and habbits kick in, you won't use the rear brake, you'll just use the front brake to it's maximum and be in control. Personally I ride sportbikes. I do stoppies, and rolling stoppies. And rolling stoppies with passengers (who desire to do it). I'm very good with my brakeS. I help out my fellow riders beyond most. I'm so helpful I earned the nickname "lifesaver". I give sportbike riding advice to help out my fellow rider too. I object to anyone saying "not using the rear brake will get someone hurt", when the opposite is true.. I have long ago and once again put forth on the table the challenge, I will physically brake in shorter distances for the same MPH than anyone who advocates using the rear brake. I will also demonstrate a more controlled stop in that shorter distance. Personally I'd rather take the word of the guy who owns a few, and rides the bikes and can demonstrate what he's talking about, rather than the guy who doesn't even own one. Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 19:54:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KNsRSi007977; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:54:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KNsR6i007969; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:54:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:55:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c248a5$1389d900$2184c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Someone purporting to be 'Danny' (I'm not convinced it isn't Dysart, the last brake flame fest instigator ;-) ) said: I ride with a bunch of what some here would call "squids". They lock teh rear brake and leave tread all the time as a form of showing off... i have yet to see any sport bike EVER lock the rear wheel in a straight line. I would like to see someone do it. show me. [Dave] This is an *unscheduled* rear brake thread, it's not due again until early December. We CAN'T POSSIBLY be right back here again... I have also seen a sportbike rider use both brakes in a panic situation.. and what happened? the bike went sideways and started going out of control and out of traction before it slammed into the car because it could no longer be steered.. [Dave] Then said rider did it W R O N G. I watched the whoel thing [Dave] what's a 'whoel' ? had he not panic'd locked up his rear, he cold have just braked and swerved and avoided the accident. ... I have long ago and once again put forth on the table the challenge, I will physically brake in shorter distances for the same MPH than anyone who advocates using the rear brake. I will also demonstrate a more controlled stop in that shorter distance. Personally I'd rather take the word of the guy who owns a few, and rides the bikes and can demonstrate what he's talking about, rather than the guy who doesn't even own one. [Dave] this argument goes on at every mail list & BBS that deals in moto content. You will never convince 2 brakers you're right, they will never convince you that you're wrong. I put forth on the table this challenge - discuss it off list, and let us know the outcome of your challenge. I'll loan my videocam to whomever cares to tape the test. Dave Yates NRA Firearms Instructor & RSO, keeping (most of) my rear brake opinions to myself ;-) http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 20:51:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L0pTSi008389; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:51:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7L0pPZL008373; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:51:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020820205022.009f1d30@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:00:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride In-Reply-To: <7t25mugh4c9la0pbjsv1hups2ri5n02d07@4ax.com> References: <1ac.7107bc7.2a938775@aol.com> <1ac.7107bc7.2a938775@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Danny wrote: >sportbikes are too lightweight to use combined braking effectlively, >and the front is so powerful it will negate the back brake. WRONG! >If you use the front brake even "adequately" the rear end will become >so lightweight usage of the rear brake will cause the bike to fishtail >and slide.. and be under less control.. How do you brake then swerve >after your bike has already gone sideways? how do you steer if your'e >moving forward and your bike is sideways? WRONG AGAIN! Where do you come up with this unmitigated tripe?!?! If you are riding straight up and down, ON ANY MOTORCYCLE, and hit both brakes, and the rear end "fish tails and slides", there is something wrong with your bike, be it chain/rear-wheel alignment or something else. Either that, or you're feeding some sort of steering input to the bike. Either be on the brakes, or steering, BUT NOT BOTH. Your bike should continue to track straight if you're just doing a maximum braking attempt in a straight line. >anyone who really knows how to ride a sportbike, knows to only use the >front brake for braking before the curve. Anyone who really knows how to ride a sportbike, knows to set your entry speed WITH YOUR THROTTLE. If you're going so fast that you need to actually *brake* for the turn, you're either going too fast or you have no idea how to enter a corner at all. If this is the case with you, I suggest you try another "textbook". (This is all assuming we're speaking in the context of street-riding.) Sean Jordan DC-Cycles/Team Jordan Racing From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 21:13:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L1DPSi008623; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:13:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7L1DPas008618; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:13:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:12:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020820164615.02480008@mail.troutman.org> Message-ID: <20020820180916.W96172-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Troutman wrote: > At 04:27 PM 8/20/2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > >As for it being easier to lock the rear on a sportbike that is simply untrue. > > ...but on a sportbike, your mass is further forward than on ... say a > cruiser. Since the rear brake locks when the rear tire is under less load, > it would stand to reason that a sportbike would lock the rear easier under > hard braking. I'm not debating the non-use of the rear brake, just the > phsics involved. Yes and in an emergency situation on a sportbike, if you're using all of your front brake, you have no need for the rear brake. BTW John, I don't think many people call a Buell a sportbike ;-) ;-) (the preceeding comment was not meant to insult any Buell owners, please read at your own risk) :-) > Beautiful ride in this a.m. Looking forward to the cooler weather this week. I rode from Cranberry, PA (turnpike exit 3) down to Frederick. Very nice day for a ride. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 21:28:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L1SsSi008832; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:28:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7L1SstK008827; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:28:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.182.165] From: "Adam Wah" To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:27:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2002 01:27:48.0097 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5424F10:01C248B1] That wouldn't work here.... I'm in my "cubist" period. >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX >To: hotrivet@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: (no subject) >Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:31:29 -0400 > >Sorry. No good ideas unless you have an office with a lock on the door. >Then you just close and lock it and make it appear that you are on a >conference call. Hypothetically of course. ;-) > >Scooter > >In a message dated Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:29:08 +0000, hotrivet@XXXXXX >writes: > > > > > > > Does anyone know a good way to take a nap at the office without getting > > busted? > > > > Long weekend on the road and now I'm whipped. The double expresso >didn't > > kick in @ all. > > > > > > > > > > > > Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well >with > > Catsup. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > _____ > > Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 21:29:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L1TaSi008999; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:29:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7L1TaQE008987; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:29:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.182.165] From: "Adam Wah" To: pattonme@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:29:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2002 01:29:29.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[31AB1770:01C248B2] My legs go to sleep. Might be good conditioning for an ironbutt run tho' >From: matthew patton >To: Adam Wah >Subject: Re: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:47:09 -0700 (PDT) > >sit on the can? Not the most comfortable for sure but if there is an >underutilized john some place... > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 21:35:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L1ZjSi009177; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:35:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7L1ZiH1009171; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:35:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.182.165] From: "Adam Wah" To: cschelin@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:35:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2002 01:35:37.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D2E01E0:01C248B3] I thought about going down to the building air plenum... Again, sitting on the can puts my legs to sleep and I'm afraid when I stand up I'll fall out of the stall with my trousers around my ankles... with all the geezers in the building and the "prostrate puddles" around the urinals it could be unpleasent to say the least. I have to practically do the splits at the urinals to avoid the puddles as it is. I couldn't imagine falling into or close to one... let alone trying to stand up or... just lying there waiting for my legs to regain enough feeling to stand up... If someone were to walk in on that scene... Hell, I'd have to fake a kiniption or something. Then... I good grab some z's in the ambulance... but that would mean a trip to DC general... which could ultimately end in my demise.. geez we've created a whole scenerio here. >From: Carl Schelin >To: "Adam Wah" , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: >Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:40:51 -0400 > >On Monday 19 August 2002 12:29, Adam Wah wrote: > > Does anyone know a good way to take a nap at the office without getting > > busted? > > > > Long weekend on the road and now I'm whipped. The double expresso >didn't > > kick in @ all. > > > >We've had a couple of folks here go to the bathroom. As long as you don't >snore, it should be relatively private. > >Other than that, it would depend on what you do and where. > >Computer room isn't a good place. If you don't snore you can even do it at >your desk. > >There's always an office of someone who's out. > >At the minimum, you could just tell it like it is. As long as you don't >take >naps every day and it's not that busy, the boss should understand. There >are >studies that indicate a couple of short (20-30) minute naps really increase >productivity. > >Of course, I don't know your boss. > >Carl >-- > Carl Schelin Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 21:38:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L1cUSi009356; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:38:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7L1cU0k009350; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:38:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.182.165] From: "Adam Wah" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:38:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2002 01:38:21.0261 (UTC) FILETIME=[6EA777D0:01C248B3] Multi cube, suitable for overhearing converstations, phone calls and "prairie dogging" >From: Tom Gimer >To: Adam Wah , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:32:34 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Adam Wah wrote: > > Does anyone know a good way to take a nap at the office > > without getting > > busted? > >i'm an expert here. but i will need at least a rough >understanding of the office layout.... > > > >-- >tg > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Aug 20 21:53:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L1rqSi009584; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:53:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7L1rpv3009570; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:53:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <015b01c248b4$bb8fecc0$882b2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Adam Wah" , References: Subject: OT - 40 winks at the office Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:47:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 This all sounds like too much effort. Wouldn't it be better to put in your 8-10 hours, when go home and sleep? ;) On the other hand, the older I get the more I realize that sleep is a colossal waste of time, so better to get your winks in on the company's nickel. Perfect the art of waking sleep. Zone out in front of the computer. Sitting in front of the computer always looks like work; just make sure those "Teenage Lolitas" pop-ups aren't on your screen from your illicit surfing habit. Or try micro-napping. Meetings work best for this, particularly in government service. With respect to the toilet seat, threaten your employer with an ADA suit unless they retrofit with bun-saver models that don't put your legs to sleep. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Wah" > I thought about going down to the building air plenum... > > Again, sitting on the can puts my legs to sleep and I'm afraid when I stand > up .... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 01:44:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7L5ioSi010848; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:44:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7L5in9q010833; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:44:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821054447.45264.qmail@web20706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:44:47 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: the Fabien Foret (#99) drinking game To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, so I'm behind the times, watching the BrandsHatch Supersport race... I propose a drinking game: chug a beverage every time Fabien turns his flippin' head to look behind him. And 2 beverages he does it on the paint and crashes as a result. What is up with that? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 06:35:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LAZaSi012753; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 06:35:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LAZZcJ012741; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 06:35:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weather (was Re: [brake thread]) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 06:33:18 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020820164615.02480008@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020820164615.02480008@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208210633181H.08244@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 20 August 2002 16:48, Troutman wrote: > Beautiful ride in this a.m. Looking forward to the cooler weather this > week. > Excellent ride this morning. Crispish at the house warming up a bit once I hit 95. I got out early enough that traffic was fairly light (for 5am :-) One of these days, I'll ride in and then turn around and ride home. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 07:20:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LBKNSi013099; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:20:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LBKNDX013094; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:20:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Sean Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:33:08 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1ac.7107bc7.2a938775@aol.com> <1ac.7107bc7.2a938775@aol.com> <7t25mugh4c9la0pbjsv1hups2ri5n02d07@4ax.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20020820205022.009f1d30@mail.mac.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020820205022.009f1d30@mail.mac.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7LBKMSi013082 On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:00:42 -0400, you wrote: >Danny wrote: >>sportbikes are too lightweight to use combined braking effectlively, >>and the front is so powerful it will negate the back brake. > >WRONG! well that clears it up. show your work! the consensus is front brakes lifts the rear off the ground negating it. The whole world is wrong.. all the sport riders.. all the racers.. Your honor i'd like to ask the witness if he uses the rear brake when he has to scrub off speed on the race track... the defense rests your honor. >>If you use the front brake even "adequately" the rear end will become >>so lightweight usage of the rear brake will cause the bike to fishtail >>and slide.. and be under less control.. How do you brake then swerve >>after your bike has already gone sideways? how do you steer if your'e >>moving forward and your bike is sideways? > >WRONG AGAIN! > >Where do you come up with this unmitigated tripe?!?! How about the fact that we don't ride in a perfect world of perfectly flat ground and road level, tire wear, tire pressure, and direction and angle of travel all are real world inputs to affect bike directional travel. None of us here ride around in a vacuum. unmitigated tripe? I shall refrain from callign you a hypocrite! :) >If you are riding straight up and down, ON ANY MOTORCYCLE, and hit both >brakes, and the rear end "fish tails and slides", there is something wrong >with your bike, be it chain/rear-wheel alignment or something else. Either >that, or you're feeding some sort of steering input to the bike. Either be >on the brakes, or steering, BUT NOT BOTH. Your bike should continue to >track straight if you're just doing a maximum braking attempt in a straight >line. what if you're not and your'e slowing down before a curve.. or what if you're on a road and a BDC pulls out and your'e not practicing.. what happens? the bike friggin fishtails.. no matter how much you want to say it tracks straight, it doesn't. I would like for you to show me how to slam on your rear brakes and slide in a straight line. I'll bet cash money yoru skid mark wont' be straight. So let's stop pretending. > >>anyone who really knows how to ride a sportbike, knows to only use the >>front brake for braking before the curve. > >Anyone who really knows how to ride a sportbike, knows to set your entry >speed WITH YOUR THROTTLE. If you're going so fast that you need to actually >*brake* for the turn, you're either going too fast or you have no idea how >to enter a corner at all. If this is the case with you, I suggest you try >another "textbook". what the hell? obviously you can go faster on straights than you can in curves so you slow down for the curves using your brake. (before the curve) Are you saying you don't use your brakes on the race track? I recon you even use your brakes on the street. If you really expect us to believe you dont' use your brakes on the street I advise you that salemanship is not the profession for you. >(This is all assuming we're speaking in the context of street-riding.) and yes.. street riding never gets spirited.. never go above the posted limits.. and everyone rides their motorcycles like grandpa. nice attempt at a sorry disclaimer. >Sean Jordan >DC-Cycles/Team Jordan Racing should be ashamed of yourself! Danny squid extroidinairre future racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 07:25:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LBPxSi013274; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:25:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LBPxnb013265; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:25:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D6377CF.7070401@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:21:51 -0400 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020529 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: >fact of the matter is, if you're in a panic situation where you think >you need it, it is going to lock up and cause you to swerve sideways >and crash > Wha?? Anyway, a little while back while getting caught up in a USENet rear brake thread, I thought ..."well I guess racers don't need rear brakes...". On a Sunday after a great ride I sat down to watch FIM GP, and AMA Superbike. With the "rear brake" thread on my mind I started take a very close look at Rossi's, Baggi's, Nikki's, Mdalin's (and on, and on....) They have rear brakes, and watching closer they actually use 'em. So "non-rear breakers" would have to argue that a highly paid Crew Chief and Crew would have to say "...lets put ~20 pounds of weight on the bike...that won't be used...". I don't think so... Now you might argue that "...well racers only use the rear in the turns...", well I don't race so maybe its the only time a racer uses a rear brake. But I have watched Bayliss and Rossi use the front brake in full lean at 80+mph. Also, manufacturers maybe slow to implement, but they would have, after 50+ years of building bikes, stopped installing and developing rear brakes. > >Personally I'd rather take the word of the guy who owns a few, and >rides the bikes and can demonstrate what he's talking about, rather >than the guy who doesn't even own one. > Tom de - a sport bike rider, who has locked the rear, controled it and stopped safely - more than once. '98 VTR - a Honda sportbike - with rear brake UNIX admin (maybe thats the problem) > >Danny > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 07:28:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LBS1Si013446; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:28:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LBS13P013439; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:28:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 04:26:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020821042309.Y1418-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > >Anyone who really knows how to ride a sportbike, knows to set your entry > >speed WITH YOUR THROTTLE. If you're going so fast that you need to actually > >*brake* for the turn, you're either going too fast or you have no idea how > >to enter a corner at all. If this is the case with you, I suggest you try > >another "textbook". > > what the hell? obviously you can go faster on straights than you can > in curves so you slow down for the curves using your brake. (before > the curve) Are you saying you don't use your brakes on the race > track? I recon you even use your brakes on the street. If you really > expect us to believe you dont' use your brakes on the street I advise > you that salemanship is not the profession for you. On the street, while riding in the twisties, I rarely use my brakes. I try to ride 'the pace' and don't find it necessary to brake before the turn. As Sean said, I set my entry speed using my throttle. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 07:32:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LBWMSi013618; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:32:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LBWMNu013613; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:32:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Dave Yates" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:45:11 -0400 Message-ID: <7ku6mu48n1kkcmdp01qsb16sum97g23vql@4ax.com> References: <000001c248a5$1389d900$2184c0cf@nih.gov> In-Reply-To: <000001c248a5$1389d900$2184c0cf@nih.gov> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7LBWLSi013601 >[Dave] This is an *unscheduled* rear brake thread, it's not due again >until early December. We CAN'T POSSIBLY be right back here again... Well you know unexpected things happen at unnexpected times, and we must be noble and suffer the slings and arrows.... > >I have also seen a sportbike rider use both brakes in a panic >situation.. and what happened? the bike went sideways and started >going out of control and out of traction before it slammed into the >car because it could no longer be steered.. > >[Dave] Then said rider did it W R O N G. The prosecution rests your owner.. the defense just acknowledged our case.. he braked and swerved wrong. he shoulda used the front brake, then swerved. Not use his rear brake, fishtail and slide into the car that was in his path and stopped. > > I watched the whoel thing > >[Dave] what's a 'whoel' ? it's secret code. You would need a typo cryptology cracker to understand if if you don't. >had he not panic'd locked up his rear, he cold have just braked and >swerved and avoided the accident. > >... > > > I have long ago and once again put forth on the table the challenge, >I will physically brake in shorter distances for the same MPH than >anyone who advocates using the rear brake. I will also demonstrate a >more controlled stop in that shorter distance. > >Personally I'd rather take the word of the guy who owns a few, and >rides the bikes and can demonstrate what he's talking about, rather >than the guy who doesn't even own one. > >[Dave] this argument goes on at every mail list & BBS that >deals in moto content. You will never convince 2 brakers you're right, >they will never convince you that you're wrong. I put forth on the >table this challenge - Oh believe me, i'm not trying to convince them.. I know they know the truth... I just post what I post for the benifit of the up and coming learners. I don't pretend to be born with one fathome of an idea on sport bike riding. Everything I learned from other people, and thus pass on what I learned once i verified the validity. I remember reading about counter steering and saying "nah who'ver posted that is just confused it's impossible"... but that post said "try this" and i went out and tried it and low and behold they were right. Of course I was reading about riding years before I ever got my first bike. I thoroughly and highly recommend a person understand riding concepts BEFORE going out there and trying to ride. >discuss it off list, and let us know the outcome of your challenge. >I'll loan my videocam to whomever cares to tape the test. Well let's see I could bet a person $50 and a video taped confession that i can brake with one brake and they can brake with 2 and i brake shorter... but what's in it for me to video tape it for you and beat yoru challenge ? :) > >Dave Yates >NRA Firearms Instructor & RSO, keeping (most of) my rear brake opinions >to myself ;-) >http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ now now.. everyone is entitled to own an oppinion it's only when you use that oppinion against someone else is when your right to it should be deprived :) Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 07:37:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LBbwSi013815; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:37:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LBbvMQ013800; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:37:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821073442.02eb2a48@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:37:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride In-Reply-To: <7ku6mu48n1kkcmdp01qsb16sum97g23vql@4ax.com> References: <000001c248a5$1389d900$2184c0cf@nih.gov> <000001c248a5$1389d900$2184c0cf@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:45 AM 8/21/2002 -0400, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > > > > I watched the whoel thing > > > >[Dave] what's a 'whoel' ? > >it's secret code. You would need a typo cryptology cracker to >understand if if you don't. oh oh! I can help here! I'm an ex-cryptologist! Hmm...let me see here... ah HA! By adding 10,347 to the base root of the primary key and subtracting the third encryption bit from the second crypto key, we have eowhl !!!! no wait.... damn I'll get back to ya... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 07:50:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LBoWSi014019; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:50:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LBoWrj014014; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:50:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Tom de Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:03:21 -0400 Message-ID: <8gv6muc0eml9lv2pckd1uvgf0d6m3fr5il@4ax.com> References: <3D6377CF.7070401@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3D6377CF.7070401@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7LBoVSi014002 >Wha?? Anyway, a little while back while getting caught up in a USENet >rear brake thread, I thought ..."well I guess racers don't need rear >brakes...". On a Sunday after a great ride I sat down to watch FIM GP, Racers use the rear brake when they run off into the grass or when they choose to go sliding into a curve sideways. If anyone on the lsit or on the street wishes to go sliding into the curve sideways, then yes.. use the rear brake... by all means.. have fun with it. For everyone else who wants to slow a sport bike down in a straigth line, use the front brake and leave the rear alone. >and AMA Superbike. With the "rear brake" thread on my mind I started >take a very close look at Rossi's, Baggi's, Nikki's, Mdalin's (and on, >and on....) They have rear brakes, and watching closer they actually >use 'em. >So "non-rear breakers" would have to argue that a highly paid Crew Chief >and Crew would have to say "...lets put ~20 pounds of weight on the >bike...that won't be used...". I don't think so... it'll be used in the grass.. racers do go off the track all the time. Plus there are rules which say the bikes have to be equipped with rear brakes, probably for that reason. >Now you might argue that "...well racers only use the rear in the >turns...", well I don't race so maybe its the only time a racer uses a >rear brake. But I have watched Bayliss and Rossi use the front brake in >full lean at 80+mph. and you've watched them crash a lot too havent' you. Hence I recommend people do textbook riding on the street. slow down before the curve, look throgh the curve, roll on through the curve. slow in fast out. >Also, manufacturers maybe slow to implement, but they would have, after >50+ years of building bikes, stopped installing and developing rear brakes. Except for say... this little thing probably called... federal regulations? DOT standards? how about product liability lawsuits? So what do they do now? they detune the rear break so that it's even more innefecient so it won't lock up on you, but it brakes even less. there is time nad place for everything, the rear brake does have it's uses.. like in the grass, gravel, wet ground, going under 20 mph, or starting off going up a hill... however using the rear brake for panic situations is NOT the time for it. Using the rear brake at speed is not the time for it. Anyone who rides a sportbike and think thier rear brake is good for reducing high speed or panic situations needs to familiarize th emselves with BOTH brakes and what they do and how effeciently. Don't listen to me.. go out there and practice using both your brakes to their maximum and tell me what you find. you'll find i was right, the rear wheel comes off the ground with front brake usage, and the rear wheel fishtails with rear brake usage. >>Personally I'd rather take the word of the guy who owns a few, and >>rides the bikes and can demonstrate what he's talking about, rather >>than the guy who doesn't even own one. >> >Tom de - a sport bike rider, who has locked the rear, controled it and >stopped safely - more than once. >'98 VTR - a Honda sportbike - with rear brake >UNIX admin (maybe thats the problem) Danny - sport bike rider who brakes, or brakes and swerves with more control than tom... and a sportbike rider who locks up both wheels (indivually) safely for the purpose of doing stunts, in an uncountable # of times.. with respect to sportbikes, if people want to fish tail in those scary panic situations, listen to advocates of rear brakes. If people want to brake in a controlled fashion, avoid the rear brake. Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 07:55:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LBtQSi014307; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:55:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LBtQhf014301; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:55:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Sean Jordan'" , Subject: RE: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:54:48 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <020901c24909$940f9e20$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020820205022.009f1d30@mail.mac.com> That's not really true. They physics of stopping a motorcycle will allow the backend to slide around. The reason is that the front brake causes the most of the deceleration. Know body disagrees with that. Since the rear wheel is locked, it has very little traction it can not slow down as fast, it depends on the forces passed to the front through the frame to slow down. Since the front is on a hinge if the forces are not 100% in line the back will have a tendency to move left or right. Nothing ever is 100%, there are always forces to the side... this causes a motorcycle w/ a locked rear to slide and can result in the dreaded high side even when just going straight. Now if the rear is NOT locked it has traction and can absorb the side to side forces and keep the bike going straight. That's why I only use the front brake when driving fast or emergency stops. I use the rear day to day, but its not automatic. If I was Hayden or Rossi, I would probably be good enough to use both, but I'm not and I doubt anyone that reads this is... IMHO, -Jim > > If you are riding straight up and down, ON ANY MOTORCYCLE, > and hit both > brakes, and the rear end "fish tails and slides", there is > something wrong > with your bike, be it chain/rear-wheel alignment or something > else. Either > that, or you're feeding some sort of steering input to the > bike. Either be > on the brakes, or steering, BUT NOT BOTH. Your bike should > continue to > track straight if you're just doing a maximum braking attempt > in a straight > line. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 08:01:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LC1iSi014604; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:01:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LC1ir8014599; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:01:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:14:34 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020821042309.Y1418-100000@magoo.noid.org> In-Reply-To: <20020821042309.Y1418-100000@magoo.noid.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7LC1hSi014587 > >On the street, while riding in the twisties, I rarely use my brakes. I >try to ride 'the pace' and don't find it necessary to brake before the >turn. As Sean said, I set my entry speed using my throttle. Do you speed? Do you ride on the highway? Do you take exit ramps? Do you apply the brakes before that exit ramp? Have you ever sped along a straight away, applied the brake to slow down for the curve, then continued on through the curve in a reasonable fashion. Would you agree that sometimes to set the entry speed using the throttle, you first have to apply the brake to slow down, so that you can go slow enough to roll on the throttle and enter teh curve rolling on the gas? The defense rests but reserves the right to recall this witness From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 08:10:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LCA7Si014917; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:10:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LCA7Nq014912; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:10:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:22:56 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020820205022.009f1d30@mail.mac.com> <020901c24909$940f9e20$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> In-Reply-To: <020901c24909$940f9e20$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7LCA6Si014885 >That's not really true. They physics of stopping a motorcycle will And the defense's expert witness takes the stand and seals the case! Thank you sir! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 08:10:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LCA8Si014933; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:10:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LCA7t5014922; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:10:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:08:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020821050758.U1418-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > Do you speed? C'mon, I have a Hayabusa. :-) > Have you ever sped along a straight away, applied the brake to slow > down for the curve, then continued on through the curve in a > reasonable fashion. > > Would you agree that sometimes to set the entry speed using the > throttle, you first have to apply the brake to slow down, so that you > can go slow enough to roll on the throttle and enter teh curve rolling > on the gas? I generally rely on my psychic ability to slow down during normal riding. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 08:26:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LCQNSi015625; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:26:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LCQNI4015620; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:26:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 21 Aug 2002 12:26:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20020821122621.30512.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Tom De admitted : >Tom de - a sport bike rider, who has locked the rear, controled it and >stopped safely - more than once. >'98 VTR - a Honda sportbike - with rear brake >UNIX admin (maybe thats the problem) [Dave] Yup. That's it. Z/OS OWNS unix ! (ptewey!) ;-) do you use synth or dino in the unix boxes ? Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 08:42:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LCg3Si015887; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:42:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LCg34Z015873; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:42:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D6389A3.5020104@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:37:55 -0400 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020529 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride References: <3D6377CF.7070401@yahoo.com> <8gv6muc0eml9lv2pckd1uvgf0d6m3fr5il@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: >> Wha?? Anyway, a little while back while getting caught up in a USENet >> rear brake thread, I thought ..."well I guess racers don't need rear >> brakes...". On a Sunday after a great ride I sat down to watch FIM GP, > > >Racers use the rear brake when they run off into the grass or when >they choose to go sliding into a curve sideways. If anyone on the >lsit or on the street wishes to go sliding into the curve sideways, >then yes.. use the rear brake... by all means.. have fun with it. > >For everyone else who wants to slow a sport bike down in a straigth >line, use the front brake and leave the rear alone. > > > > >>and AMA Superbike. With the "rear brake" thread on my mind I started >>take a very close look at Rossi's, Baggi's, Nikki's, Mdalin's (and on, >>and on....) They have rear brakes, and watching closer they actually >>use 'em. >>So "non-rear breakers" would have to argue that a highly paid Crew Chief >>and Crew would have to say "...lets put ~20 pounds of weight on the >>bike...that won't be used...". I don't think so... >> >> > >it'll be used in the grass.. racers do go off the track all the time. >Plus there are rules which say the bikes have to be equipped with rear >brakes, probably for that reason. > Doesn't grass have less traction than pavement? Which would induce a rear lock up faster? Hence the question why is it there (the rear brake)? Wouldn't that be even more dangerous? > > >>Now you might argue that "...well racers only use the rear in the >>turns...", well I don't race so maybe its the only time a racer uses a >>rear brake. But I have watched Bayliss and Rossi use the front brake in >>full lean at 80+mph. >> >> > >and you've watched them crash a lot too havent' you. > Nope, never. > Hence I >recommend people do textbook riding on the street. slow down before >the curve, look throgh the curve, roll on through the curve. slow in >fast out. > All of the guys I know use their brakes (front and rear) before the curve, look through, roll on, accel out. Just like they were trained in MSF, CLASS, WERA, etc... > > >>Also, manufacturers maybe slow to implement, but they would have, after >>50+ years of building bikes, stopped installing and developing rear brakes. >> >> > >Except for say... this little thing probably called... federal >regulations? DOT standards? how about product liability lawsuits? >So what do they do now? they detune the rear break so that it's even >more innefecient so it won't lock up on you, but it brakes even less. > Recalls? You know when some system (brake, cooling, steering, etc.) on a vehicle is found to have a flaw a recall is issued. Quite often afterwards a manufacturer will re-engineer the system. So if rear brakes are dangerous for the masses, Recall. A issued 'detune' probably woundn't fly, the gov wouldn't trust the manufacturer or the rider. >there is time nad place for everything, the rear brake does have it's >uses.. like in the grass, gravel, wet ground, going under 20 mph, or >starting off going up a hill... however using the rear brake for >panic situations is NOT the time for it. Using the rear brake at >speed is not the time for it. > Again grass, gravel, wet surface at any speed has less traction which will induce lock up faster. So this makes the rear brake dangerous. (without ABS) >Anyone who rides a sportbike and think thier rear brake is good for >reducing high speed or panic situations needs to familiarize th >emselves with BOTH brakes and what they do and how effeciently. > >Don't listen to me.. go out there and practice using both your brakes >to their maximum and tell me what you find. > Thanks, but I have. >you'll find i was right, the rear wheel comes off the ground with >front brake usage, and the rear wheel fishtails with rear brake usage. > Fishtails only when used incorrectly. > > >>>Personally I'd rather take the word of the guy who owns a few, and >>>rides the bikes and can demonstrate what he's talking about, rather >>>than the guy who doesn't even own one. >>> >>> >>> >>Tom de - a sport bike rider, who has locked the rear, controled it and >>stopped safely - more than once. >>'98 VTR - a Honda sportbike - with rear brake >>UNIX admin (maybe thats the problem) >> >> > >Danny - sport bike rider who brakes, or brakes and swerves with more >control than tom... and a sportbike rider who locks up both wheels >(indivually) safely for the purpose of doing stunts, in an uncountable ># of times.. > I didn't insult yo..., oh wait I guess I did insult your intelligence. >with respect to sportbikes, if people want to fish tail in those scary >panic situations, listen to advocates of rear brakes. If people want >to brake in a controlled fashion, avoid the rear brake. > So I guess Honda and BWM should hire you so you can re-engineer their braking systems, you know Honda's ABS/linked system and BMW ABS. BTW, have you removed your rear brake? It would look so cool and be so much lighter, I bet it would add 20mph to your top speed. Tom de '98 VTR. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 08:57:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LCv9Si016094; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:57:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LCv9kl016090; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:57:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821125706.3116.qmail@web9404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:57:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Seat Upholstery? To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3D6389A3.5020104@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm getting a 1980 KZ 440 LTD as a starter bike - generally pretty clean, but the seat is ripped. Any recommendations on NoVA (Chantilly to Manassas pref.) upholstery shops to get it recovered? I don't really need restoration quality work, but wanted to sit on something other than duct tape... Thanks, Brian Ray __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 09:51:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LDpVSi016555; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:51:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LDpSnC016536; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:51:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: New concept cage Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:50:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Found this to be quite interesting for a cage. Within the netherlands they are developing a concept cage that is three wheels but has the same characteristics as a motorcycle. This one is different than a corbin, you actually have to lean into the cage. Link is http://www.carver.nl/home.htm for more, interesting pics, videos and specs. Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 09:53:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LDrbSi016713; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:53:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LDraIk016703; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:53:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 06:52:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride In-Reply-To: <8gv6muc0eml9lv2pckd1uvgf0d6m3fr5il@4ax.com> Message-ID: <20020821064108.G2584-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > >Tom de - a sport bike rider, who has locked the rear, controled it and > >stopped safely - more than once. > >'98 VTR - a Honda sportbike - with rear brake > >UNIX admin (maybe thats the problem) > > Danny - sport bike rider who brakes, or brakes and swerves with more > control than tom... and a sportbike rider who locks up both wheels > (indivually) safely for the purpose of doing stunts, in an uncountable > # of times.. Isn't this list about information exchange? Just curious why you are acting like a petulant child, insulting people and desperately trying to prove yourself right? You're a self proclaimed braking and stunting expert, along with a 'textbook' rider. I can only assume you've got 15-20 years of riding, racing and teaching experience with cycles to have amassed such extensive knowledge and experience with all things related to motorcycling. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 09:58:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LDwoSi017003; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:58:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LDwotQ016997; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:58:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 21 Aug 2002 13:58:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20020821135848.30520.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Danny 'the new Squeakers', flooded the list with: >>[Dave] ...until early December. We CAN'T POSSIBLY be right back here again... >Well you know unexpected things happen at unnexpected times, and we >must be noble and suffer the slings and arrows.... [Dave] A famous instructor I know holds that "the best cover is a steady stream of accurate fire directed at your enemy". I won't be suffering any slings and arrows... >>[Dave] Then said rider did it W R O N G. >The prosecution rests your owner.. [Dave] HONOR. YOUR HONOR. If you're going to be a Mister Smarty Pants, you need to be gramatically correct, annunciate properly, and convey the correct thoughts with your commentary. Take a few moments more to proof read your posts before putting them out there. Regardless of the merits of your position, more people will be inclined to read and comprehend your musings if they are at least somewhat worded correctly & intelligently (not meaning to insult you here). Quality posts count, quantity of posts means little. the defense just acknowledged our >case.. he braked and swerved wrong. he shoulda used the front brake, >then swerved. [Dave] Your using my comments out of context doesn't score any points with the list. Said rider misused or abused his rear brake and suffered the consequences. Had he practiced / learned proper technique, there would not have been a problem, only a really cool bench racing story. Not use his rear brake, fishtail and slide into the >car that was in his path and stopped. >> >> I watched the whoel thing >> >>[Dave] what's a 'whoel' ? >it's secret code. You would need a typo cryptology cracker to >understand if if you don't. >>had he not panic'd locked up his rear, he cold have just braked and >>swerved and avoided the accident. [Dave] I think the above statement proves beyond a reasonable doubt the point at hand. It is not rear brake use at all that causes any trouble, any more than spoons cause Rosie O'Donnell to be fat. It is the A B U S E or misuse of it. Using a trick I've learned as an instructor, I'll relate the known to the unknown for your benefit, Danny. Guns don't go off by themselves, period. Same with brakes. Try this one: "Rear brakes don't engage themselves!" >> >> I have long ago and once again put forth on the table the challenge, >>I will physically brake in shorter distances for the same MPH than >>anyone who advocates using the rear brake. I will also demonstrate a >>more controlled stop in that shorter distance. >> >>Personally I'd rather take the word of the guy who owns a few, and >>rides the bikes and can demonstrate what he's talking about, rather >>than the guy who doesn't even own one. >> >>[Dave] this argument goes on at every mail list & BBS that >>deals in moto content. You will never convince 2 brakers you're right, >>they will never convince you that you're wrong. I put forth on the >>table this challenge - [Dave] What's the matter ? Not secure enough that you couldn't accept my challenge ? >Oh believe me, i'm not trying to convince them.. [Dave] Then why are you responding to every post on the matter ? > I know they know the >truth... [Dave] Perhaps you're concerned that the 'truth' they know is different from the one you know. I just post what I post for the benifit [Dave] That's Benefit with an "e"... of the up and coming >learners. [Dave] By exactly WHAT qualifications do you profess to know the truth and be able to impart this divine wisdom upon the great unwashed masses of DCC ? ? ? This question will not be answered here today. There is no right answer for every rider here, Danny. The right answer is what works for the individual rider. LOTS of shooters LOVE Glocks. I don't. They don't work FOR . I don't prefer the trigger & the control(s) are difficult for me to manipulate with speed. I therefore respect the firearm as a fine piece of craftsmanship, but prefer another type. Just because a racer, or a few racers or even a lot of racers do something a particular way, does not mean that practice should be directly applied to the street - and vice versa. I don't pretend to be born with one fathome of an idea on >sport bike riding. Everything I learned from other people, and thus >pass on what I learned once i verified the validity. I remember >reading about counter steering and saying "nah who'ver posted that is >just confused it's impossible"... but that post said "try this" and i >went out and tried it and low and behold they were right. [Dave] And thus, Danny, you have introduced a lack of confidence in your position because you've admitted your sport bike riding has significant room for improvement & learning. We may, and should draw from the above statements that you may one day change your opinion of rear brake usage as well. Whether you do or don't, it shall not make one bit of difference here. Of course I >was reading about riding years before I ever got my first bike. I >thoroughly and highly recommend a person understand riding concepts >BEFORE going out there and trying to ride. >>discuss it off list, and let us know the outcome of your challenge. >>I'll loan my videocam to whomever cares to tape the test. >Well let's see I could bet a person $50 and a video taped confession >that i can brake with one brake and they can brake with 2 and i brake >shorter... but what's in it for me to video tape it for you and beat >yoru challenge ? :) [Dave] Please, proof read before posting. And my challenge, which still stands unanswered from you, is to take it off DC Cycles to those who choose to debate you on this... Why won't you accept? Scared? Insecure? >> >>Dave Yates >>NRA Firearms Instructor & RSO, keeping (most of) my rear brake opinions >>to myself ;-) >>http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ >now now.. everyone is entitled to own an oppinion it's only when you >use that oppinion against someone else is when your right to it should >be deprived [Dave] Of course, we all have a right to opine. We all even have the right to assert an opinion as fact. However, in doing so, we open ourselves up to the consequences of being challenged on the veracity of said opinion & running the risk of being made a fool of. I reiterate; No opinions will be changed or swayed here today. Let's shelve this until 2nd week of December, at which time the rear brake thread is scheduled ;-) That's when ALL the bench racers can contribute... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 10:02:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LE2PSi017215; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:02:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LE2MPH017196; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:02:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821100108.00b4d2a8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:02:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride In-Reply-To: <20020821135848.30520.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:58 PM 8/21/2002 +0000, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Danny 'the new Squeakers', flooded the list with: > > >>[Dave] ...until early December. We CAN'T POSSIBLY be right back here > again... > >Well you know unexpected things happen at unnexpected times, and we > >must be noble and suffer the slings and arrows.... > >[Dave] A famous instructor I know holds that "the best cover is a steady >stream of accurate fire directed at your enemy". I won't be suffering any >slings and arrows... OK! OK! I've got it! The word is: WHOLE !!! Thank you very much...no no really..I'll be here all day...no no..you're too kind..really From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 10:07:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LE7RSi017413; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:07:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LE7R6K017406; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:07:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 21 Aug 2002 14:07:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20020821140725.584.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New concept cage X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Scott, the diet coke of Evil pointed out - >Found this to be quite interesting for a cage. ... >Link is http://www.carver.nl/home.htm for more, interesting pics, [Dave] pretty cool... probably never see it here. If we do, I hope they make models available with Eyeabuser 1300's & 12R 1200's in them :-) Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 10:08:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LE8aSi017484; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:08:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LE8aOU017478; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:08:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: "'MacDa@XXXXXX'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: New concept cage Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:05:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Actually these are available. Now, whether you can actually afford the 55,000 Euro (Export Price) and handle customs is a different issue. Because the vehicle has three wheels it would qualify as a motorcycle for importation purposes, but that of course means that a) you'd have to wear a helmet in many states and b) it's not subject to the same emissions and crash testing as the other cages on the market. -----Original Message----- From: Scott R. Russell [mailto:MacDa@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:51 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: New concept cage Found this to be quite interesting for a cage. Within the netherlands they are developing a concept cage that is three wheels but has the same characteristics as a motorcycle. This one is different than a corbin, you actually have to lean into the cage. Link is http://www.carver.nl/home.htm for more, interesting pics, videos and specs. Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 10:10:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LEAwSi017538; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:10:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LEAvjU017527; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:10:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 21 Aug 2002 14:10:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20020821141056.2040.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Aki cleared up ... >At 01:58 PM 8/21/2002 +0000, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >> Danny 'the new Squeakers', flooded the list with: >> >> >>[Dave] ...until early December. We CAN'T POSSIBLY be right back here >> again... >> >Well you know unexpected things happen at unnexpected times, and we >> >must be noble and suffer the slings and arrows.... >> >>[Dave] A famous instructor I know holds that "the best cover is a steady >>stream of accurate fire directed at your enemy". I won't be suffering any >>slings and arrows... > >OK! OK! I've got it! >The word is: >WHOLE !!! >Thank you very much...no no really..I'll be here all day...no no..you're >too kind..really [Dave] WHEW ! ! ! Good thing you came through here... I came up with WHOE (pronounced as "HO") .... as in "she my WHOE !" That could've been an embarassing Faux Paus... ;-) Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 10:11:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LEBKSi017569; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:11:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LEBKwt017565; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:11:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D639E8F.3070108@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:07:11 -0400 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020529 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride References: <20020821135848.30520.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >I reiterate; No opinions will be changed or swayed here today. Let's shelve this until 2nd week of December, at which time the rear brake thread is scheduled ;-) That's when ALL the bench racers can contribute... > > > Damn. Sorry about continuing the thread. I haven't been on the list for a full year yet. I'm done, I gotta change the oil in my HP9000 - good ol' dino! Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 10:15:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LEFCSi017624; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:15:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LEFCZu017619; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:15:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821141503.1449.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:15:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: OT: cage help To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <8gv6muc0eml9lv2pckd1uvgf0d6m3fr5il@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i recently picked up a vehicle with an automatic tranny -- and i have a question: this thing has a button which allows you to turn over-drive off.... and i've been using it (the button) at all times when not on the highway or going 50+. what's the consensus on use of "over-drive" in daily driving? am i doing this right? -- tg (ignorant cage-hater) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 10:19:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LEJ0Si017793; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:19:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LEIxEJ017787; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:18:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-pair-Authenticated: 209.124.21.254 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: New concept cage Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:18:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c2491d$ada50eb0$3345080a@R1100S> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Similar, perhaps better, than what BMW is working on. Instead of you leaning, the vehicle leans for you. http://www.bmwmotorrad.co.za/motorcycles/bikenews/t1.html Wes Hsu > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott R. Russell [mailto:MacDa@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:51 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: New concept cage > > Found this to be quite interesting for a cage. Within the > netherlands they are developing a concept cage that is three > wheels but has the same characteristics as a motorcycle. > This one is different than a corbin, you actually have to > lean into the cage. > > Link is http://www.carver.nl/home.htm for more, interesting > pics, videos and specs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 10:22:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LEMkSi017965; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:22:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LEMjJm017961; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:22:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Tom Gimer'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: cage help Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:22:16 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <001601c2491e$298d5550$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20020821141503.1449.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Leave it on unless your towing or hauling a lot of weight especially when hills are involved (basically leave it on always). > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:15 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: OT: cage help > > > i recently picked up a vehicle with an automatic tranny -- > and i have a question: > > this thing has a button which allows you to turn over-drive > off.... and i've been using it (the button) at all times > when not on the highway or going 50+. > > what's the consensus on use of "over-drive" in daily > driving? am i doing this right? > > > -- > tg (ignorant cage-hater) > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 10:24:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LEOOSi018132; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:24:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LEOOmm018122; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:24:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821142422.9291.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:24:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: OT: cage help To: Tom Gimer , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020821141503.1449.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That is what I would do when I owened a slop-o-matic. Only use the OD on the highway. Glenn --- Tom Gimer wrote: > i recently picked up a vehicle with an automatic > tranny -- > and i have a question: > > this thing has a button which allows you to turn > over-drive > off.... and i've been using it (the button) at all > times > when not on the highway or going 50+. > > what's the consensus on use of "over-drive" in daily > driving? am i doing this right? > > > -- > tg (ignorant cage-hater) > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 10:31:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LEVnSi018323; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:31:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LEVnoX018318; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:31:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D63A5A2.4FDA1062@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:37:22 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT: cage help References: <20020821141503.1449.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > i recently picked up a vehicle with an automatic tranny -- > and i have a question: > > this thing has a button which allows you to turn over-drive > off.... and i've been using it (the button) at all times > when not on the highway or going 50+. > > what's the consensus on use of "over-drive" in daily > driving? am i doing this right? > > -- > tg (ignorant cage-hater) You could try reading the owners manual :-) Leave it engaged for daily driving at any speed. It's autoamtic, a no-brainer. If it's a Dodge you punch OD out if your truck is heavily laden and jumping in and out of OD on upgrades, an annoyance you get rid of by removing OD Otherwise, you leave it engaged. If it's a GM product, take OD out whenever you're towing. The GM trannys can puke guts if you don't and guess what? GM will not honor the warrenty since you *abused* their wimpy-ass tranny. I don't think Ford has the same problem GM does. Don't know jack-diddly about them Furrin' trucks. MOPAR RULES! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 10:32:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LEWNSi018365; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:32:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LEWNUS018361; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:32:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821143222.42250.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:32:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride To: Motor PsychoL Danny , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > > > The defense rests but reserves the right to recall this > witness sorry. it don't work that way. wait for the witness' answer; then continue with your questioning. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 10:33:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LEXfSi018656; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:33:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LEXeFP018641; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:33:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821143338.33064.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:33:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride To: Motor PsychoL Danny , jmcgonigle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > > >That's not really true. They physics of stopping a > motorcycle will > > And the defense's expert witness takes the stand and > seals the case! > Thank you sir! i'm afraid he was never qualified as an expert. accordingly, his testimony will be stricken. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 10:35:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LEZFSi018839; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:35:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LEZE1A018824; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:35:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821143512.72467.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:35:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride To: Tom de , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3D6389A3.5020104@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom de wrote: > Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > > >it'll be used in the grass.. racers do go off the track > all the time. > >Plus there are rules which say the bikes have to be > equipped with rear > >brakes, probably for that reason. > > > Doesn't grass have less traction than pavement? Which > would induce a > rear lock up faster? Hence the question why is it there > (the rear > brake)? Wouldn't that be even more dangerous? try using the front brake on the grass and report back to us. oh, be sure to wear your protective gear. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 10:36:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LEasSi018992; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:36:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LEaskZ018983; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:36:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821143652.70162.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:36:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride To: Wayne Edelen , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020821064108.G2584-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > > > >Tom de - a sport bike rider, who has locked the rear, > controled it and > > >stopped safely - more than once. > > >'98 VTR - a Honda sportbike - with rear brake > > >UNIX admin (maybe thats the problem) > > > > Danny - sport bike rider who brakes, or brakes and > swerves with more > > control than tom... and a sportbike rider who locks up > both wheels > > (indivually) safely for the purpose of doing stunts, in > an uncountable > > # of times.. > > Isn't this list about information exchange? Just curious > why you are > acting like a petulant child, insulting people and > desperately trying to > prove yourself right? > > You're a self proclaimed braking and stunting expert, > along with a > 'textbook' rider. I can only assume you've got 15-20 > years of riding, > racing and teaching experience with cycles to have > amassed such extensive > knowledge and experience with all things related to > motorcycling. for the record, i believe danny was a newbie about 3-4 years ago. regardless, i wanna see this rolling 2-up stoppie. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 10:41:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LEf1Si019207; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:41:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LEf0EE019201; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:41:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821144058.34740.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:40:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT: cage help To: "William J. Huson" Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3D63A5A2.4FDA1062@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > i recently picked up a vehicle with an automatic tranny > -- > > and i have a question: > > > > this thing has a button which allows you to turn > over-drive > > off.... and i've been using it (the button) at all > times > > when not on the highway or going 50+. > > > > what's the consensus on use of "over-drive" in daily > > driving? am i doing this right? > > > > -- > > tg (ignorant cage-hater) > > You could try reading the owners manual :-) it's a used vehicle. the glove box was empty. :( > Leave it engaged for daily driving at any speed. It's > autoamtic, a > no-brainer. If it's a Dodge you punch OD out if your > truck is heavily > laden and jumping in and out of OD on upgrades, an > annoyance you get rid > of by removing OD Otherwise, you leave it engaged. If > it's a GM > product, take OD out whenever you're towing. The GM > trannys can puke > guts if you don't and guess what? GM will not honor the > warrenty since > you *abused* their wimpy-ass tranny. I don't think Ford > has the same > problem GM does. Don't know jack-diddly about them > Furrin' trucks. > MOPAR RULES! it's a lexus. does this change anything? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 10:42:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LEgcSi019469; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:42:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LEgcQW019464; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:42:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:41:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT: cage help In-Reply-To: <3D63A5A2.4FDA1062@patriot.net> Message-ID: <20020821073548.Q2584-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, William J. Huson wrote: > Leave it engaged for daily driving at any speed. It's autoamtic, a > no-brainer. If it's a Dodge you punch OD out if your truck is heavily > laden and jumping in and out of OD on upgrades, an annoyance you get rid > of by removing OD Otherwise, you leave it engaged. If it's a GM > product, take OD out whenever you're towing. The GM trannys can puke > guts if you don't and guess what? GM will not honor the warrenty since > you *abused* their wimpy-ass tranny. I don't think Ford has the same > problem GM does. Don't know jack-diddly about them Furrin' trucks. > MOPAR RULES! The GM 4L60E 4spd auto is weak. Their 4L80E is stronger, along with the newer Allison automatic they are using. The 4L60E is used in everything from Camaros/Firebirds to large 1/2 ton trucks. My Suburban K1500 uses a 4L60E and the manual recommends using OD all the time, including when towing. However, when I tow, I keep it out of OD since my truck is a '96 and I'm !warranty :-) I'm looking to replace it this year with a new SUV which I will continue to use for towing and since it's new, I'll tow in OD (as recommended in the manual) and just take it in occasionally for tranny rebuilds :-) FWIW, my car and trailer together is about 5500lbs. Tom... leave the truck in OD for normal driving, you won't hurt anything. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 10:46:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LEkwSi019722; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:46:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LEkwHE019713; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:46:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Tom Gimer'" , "'Tom de'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:46:28 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <001701c24921$8b708230$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20020821143512.72467.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Not that you seem to care since it looks like you would just rather argue, but using it on grass makes sense. On pavement, so much braking is done in the front, the minute addition you get with the rear isn't worth the risk of lockup. On grass, when the front can only brake so much because it will lose traction, the back which has some weight on it since its not transferred can make a significant difference. That's why if you ever look at brake pads you can tell how some one drives (vehicles vary of course), but basically anyone that goes through front pads brake hard a lot, anyone who goes through rear pads slows down slowly. That's why I never change rear pads... ;) -Jim > > > > > Doesn't grass have less traction than pavement? Which > > would induce a > > rear lock up faster? Hence the question why is it there > > (the rear > > brake)? Wouldn't that be even more dangerous? > > try using the front brake on the grass and report back to > us. oh, be sure to wear your protective gear. > > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 10:48:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LEm8Si019881; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:48:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LEm73P019874; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:48:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D63A974.51596A2B@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:53:40 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT: cage help References: <20020821144058.34740.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > i recently picked up a vehicle with an automatic tranny > > -- > > > and i have a question: > > > > > > this thing has a button which allows you to turn > > over-drive > > > off.... and i've been using it (the button) at all > > times > > > when not on the highway or going 50+. > > > > > > what's the consensus on use of "over-drive" in daily > > > driving? am i doing this right? > > > > > > -- > > > tg (ignorant cage-hater) > > > > You could try reading the owners manual :-) > > it's a used vehicle. the glove box was empty. :( > > > > Leave it engaged for daily driving at any speed. It's > > autoamtic, a > > no-brainer. If it's a Dodge you punch OD out if your > > truck is heavily > > laden and jumping in and out of OD on upgrades, an > > annoyance you get rid > > of by removing OD Otherwise, you leave it engaged. If > > it's a GM > > product, take OD out whenever you're towing. The GM > > trannys can puke > > guts if you don't and guess what? GM will not honor the > > warrenty since > > you *abused* their wimpy-ass tranny. I don't think Ford > > has the same > > problem GM does. Don't know jack-diddly about them > > Furrin' trucks. > > MOPAR RULES! > > it's a lexus. does this change anything? > > -- > tg I'd call a dealer and check. I still think leaving it engaged for ordinary driving is good, but seeing as it's a Lexus (fancy truck) I'd pop OD out when towing unless the dealer sez otherwise. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 10:49:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LEnMSi020045; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:49:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LEnMR0020038; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:49:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 21 Aug 2002 14:49:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20020821144920.16901.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Fish Found Faux Paus(es?) - >> [Dave] HONOR. YOUR HONOR. If you're going to be a Mister Smarty >> Pants, you need to be gramatically correct, annunciate properly, and >> convey the correct thoughts with your commentary. Take a few moments >> more to proof read your posts before putting them out there. >Oh: and it's "grammatically", and "enunciate" [Dave] I found annunciate & enunciate on websters.com... annunciate is a transitve verb... I really should've paid better attention in Mr. Bittner's English class... Anyway, either works in the context I wanted to use, I believe. I should've used cut/paste/spell check to keep that UGLY 'gramatically' from happening though !!! (I think -- annunciate is a >noun, I believe -- but I could be wrong). *grin* You were just following >the rule that all grammar and speling correction posts must contain at >least one error, right? >Fish. >nice rant, though [Dave] Thanks Fish ! I won't be quitting my day job for an editor position ;-) Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 10:52:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LEqNSi020825; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:52:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LEqKS4020809; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:52:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:50:07 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <20020821122621.30512.qmail@server445.gisol.com> In-Reply-To: <20020821122621.30512.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208211050071L.08244@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 21 August 2002 08:26, sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Tom De admitted : > >Tom de - a sport bike rider, who has locked the rear, controled it and > >stopped safely - more than once. > >'98 VTR - a Honda sportbike - with rear brake > >UNIX admin (maybe thats the problem) > > [Dave] Yup. That's it. Z/OS OWNS unix ! (ptewey!) ;-) > > do you use synth or dino in the unix boxes ? > Mine are solar powered ;-) Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 11:00:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LF0WSi021133; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:00:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LF0WBT021129; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:00:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:00:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Re: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride In-Reply-To: <20020821144920.16901.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 21 Aug 2002 sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Fish Found Faux Paus(es?) - Heh. "Faux Pas" -- the plural is the same as the singular. > [Dave] I found annunciate & enunciate on websters.com... annunciate is > a transitve verb... Err, yep, my bad -- you're right. Though "annunciate" generally means "to proclaim", whereas "enunciate" has the added connotation of "proclaiming clearly and concisely", though it's more often used in a verbal context. Fish. i'm not a grammar nazi, no really i'm not, no really, stop laughing From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 11:17:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LFHdSi021367; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:17:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LFHdQ9021362; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:17:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821151735.15225.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:17:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX, "'Tom de'" , "'DC Cycles'" In-Reply-To: <001701c24921$8b708230$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i think you misunderstood me (and no, i wouldn't rather argue). try using the front brake on grass and you'll wind up on your rump. a locked rear on grass is MUCH better than a locked front. --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > Not that you seem to care since it looks like you would > just rather > argue, but using it on grass makes sense. On pavement, > so much braking > is done in the front, the minute addition you get with > the rear isn't > worth the risk of lockup. On grass, when the front can > only brake so > much because it will lose traction, the back which has > some weight on it > since its not transferred can make a significant > difference. > > That's why if you ever look at brake pads you can tell > how some one > drives (vehicles vary of course), but basically anyone > that goes through > front pads brake hard a lot, anyone who goes through rear > pads slows > down slowly. That's why I never change rear pads... ;) > > -Jim > > > > > > > > Doesn't grass have less traction than pavement? > Which > > > would induce a > > > rear lock up faster? Hence the question why is it > there > > > (the rear > > > brake)? Wouldn't that be even more dangerous? > > > > try using the front brake on the grass and report back > to > > us. oh, be sure to wear your protective gear. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 11:19:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LFJaSi021722; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:19:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LFJakw021716; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:19:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Tom Gimer'" , "'Tom de'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:19:06 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <001801c24926$1a6e3410$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20020821151735.15225.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal That makes sense. Using the front on grass isn't worth the risk of locking it up. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:18 AM > To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX; 'Tom de'; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride > > > i think you misunderstood me (and no, i wouldn't rather > argue). try using the front brake on grass and you'll wind > up on your rump. a locked rear on grass is MUCH better > than a locked front. > > > > --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > > > > Not that you seem to care since it looks like you would > > just rather > > argue, but using it on grass makes sense. On pavement, > > so much braking > > is done in the front, the minute addition you get with > > the rear isn't > > worth the risk of lockup. On grass, when the front can > > only brake so > > much because it will lose traction, the back which has > > some weight on it > > since its not transferred can make a significant > > difference. > > > > That's why if you ever look at brake pads you can tell > > how some one > > drives (vehicles vary of course), but basically anyone > > that goes through > > front pads brake hard a lot, anyone who goes through rear > > pads slows > > down slowly. That's why I never change rear pads... ;) > > > > -Jim > > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't grass have less traction than pavement? > > Which > > > > would induce a > > > > rear lock up faster? Hence the question why is it > > there > > > > (the rear > > > > brake)? Wouldn't that be even more dangerous? > > > > > > try using the front brake on the grass and report back > > to > > > us. oh, be sure to wear your protective gear. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 11:21:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LFLoSi021897; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:21:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LFLnH0021888; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:21:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821152147.53359.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:21:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT: cage help To: "William J. Huson" Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3D63A974.51596A2B@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > it's a lexus. does this change anything? > > > > -- > > tg > > I'd call a dealer and check. I still think leaving it > engaged for > ordinary driving is good, but seeing as it's a Lexus > (fancy truck) I'd > pop OD out when towing unless the dealer sez otherwise. fancy truck??? COME ON!! it's nothin' but a glorified minivan! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 11:42:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LFgLSi022124; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:42:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LFgL8H022120; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:42:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821154219.28140.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:42:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: OT: cage help To: Tom Gimer , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020821141503.1449.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Those few times I find myself in a cage, I consider the overdrive to be like 6th gear on my underpowered bike. It'll go faster in 5th, but 6th keeps the RPMs down on the engine. I use it almost all the time, even when towing a trailer. Leon. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > i recently picked up a vehicle with an automatic > tranny -- > and i have a question: > > this thing has a button which allows you to turn > over-drive > off.... and i've been using it (the button) at all > times > when not on the highway or going 50+. > > what's the consensus on use of "over-drive" in daily > driving? am i doing this right? > > > -- > tg (ignorant cage-hater) > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 12:19:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LGJ6Si022725; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:19:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LGJ5c2022712; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:19:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020821111148.009e65d0@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:03:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020820205022.009f1d30@mail.mac.com> <1ac.7107bc7.2a938775@XXXXXX> <1ac.7107bc7.2a938775@XXXXXX> <7t25mugh4c9la0pbjsv1hups2ri5n02d07@XXXXXX> <5.1.1.6.0.20020820205022.009f1d30@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >well that clears it up. show your work! the consensus is front >brakes lifts the rear off the ground negating it. I never, ever contested that. When braking, most of your weight does transfer forward. However, it does not "negate" the braking ability of the rear brake. The rear brake is only "negated" when the rear wheel comes off of the ground. >The whole world is >wrong.. all the sport riders.. all the racers.. Your honor i'd like >to ask the witness if he uses the rear brake when he has to scrub off >speed on the race track... the defense rests your honor. As I stated in my post, I was speaking in the context of STREET RIDING. Ergo, you are taking my arguments out of context. Street riding and racing are two COMPLETELY different animals. I'll thank you now to read the entirety of my posts. > >>If you use the front brake even "adequately" the rear end will become > >>so lightweight usage of the rear brake will cause the bike to fishtail > >>and slide.. and be under less control.. How do you brake then swerve > >>after your bike has already gone sideways? how do you steer if your'e > >>moving forward and your bike is sideways? > > >what if you're not and your'e slowing down before a curve.. or what if >you're on a road and a BDC pulls out and your'e not practicing.. what >happens? the bike friggin fishtails.. no matter how much you want to >say it tracks straight, it doesn't. I would like for you to show me >how to slam on your rear brakes and slide in a straight line. I'll bet >cash money yoru skid mark wont' be straight. So let's stop pretending. What if? What if? Every situation is different. I merely stated that when braking in a straight line, the bike should track straight, even when the rear end is locked up. The miniscule amount of sideways deviation encountered during a "common" rear-wheel slide is not a critical barrier to your controlling the motorcycle. The fact of the matter is, if your rear wheel is still touching the ground, you can exert more braking force using both brakes in conjunction than you could by only using the front brake. If your rear brake If you go into a full blown stoppie, then you've now committed yourself to braking in that one particular direction. Not the optimal solution, if you can help it. If you are skillfull enough, you can brake so hard as to enter a stoppie, release the brake, and then attempt to flick the bike around the obstacle you are trying to avoid. Of course, if you possesed such a level of skill, you wouldn't be on this list asking for riding advice. > >>anyone who really knows how to ride a sportbike, knows to only use the > >>front brake for braking before the curve. > > > >Anyone who really knows how to ride a sportbike, knows to set your entry > >speed WITH YOUR THROTTLE. If you're going so fast that you need to actually > >*brake* for the turn, you're either going too fast or you have no idea how > >to enter a corner at all. If this is the case with you, I suggest you try > >another "textbook". > >what the hell? obviously you can go faster on straights than you can >in curves so you slow down for the curves using your brake. (before >the curve) Why go so fast on the straight parts that you need to actually *brake* for the corner. And I'm not talking about a quick-little-dab-on-the-lever braking, I'm talking about actual braking. The kind of braking where you *need* to use the brakes to scrub off enough speed to make the actual corner. That's just riding like a squid. If you're riding on the street, you should only need to roll off the throttle or apply very *minimal* braking to settle the suspension to reach your desired entry velocity. >Are you saying you don't use your brakes on the race >track? No, I'm not saying that. You really have problems with reading comprehension, don't you? Once again, you make another another misplaced association with track riding. When I'm on a race-track, I AM RACING. I am engaged in the pursuit of being faster than the other guys on the race track. This is a totally different set of circumstances and is wholly uncomparable to street riding in a "real world" discussion of braking. >I recon you even use your brakes on the street. If you really >expect us to believe you dont' use your brakes on the street I advise >you that salemanship is not the profession for you. Of course I use my brakes when I street ride. I use my brakes on the track too. When I drive a car, I use the brakes. Once again you attempt to put words in my mouth or extract bizzare and outlandish meanings from my words in a weak attempt to bolster your own arguments. Sad. How very, very sad. > >(This is all assuming we're speaking in the context of street-riding.) > >and yes.. street riding never gets spirited.. never go above the >posted limits.. and everyone rides their motorcycles like grandpa. >nice attempt at a sorry disclaimer. I never maintained that street riding never gets spirited or that we never ride over the posted speed limits. But, you speak in such a way as to leave the impression that you ALWAYS ride in such a fashion. That wasn't an attempt at a behavioral disclaimer; it was meant to indicate that my arguments were directed towards usage of brakes in a street riding environment, where the critical factors affecting one's use of the brakes are wholly different from the way one would use brakes on a race track. For example, when street riding, I don't go 130mph and then slow down to 55mph to enter a corner. (Which is what I do at least once on every lap at Summit Point.) I have never done anything remotely like this while street riding, nor will I ever. When street riding, I don't attempt to come off of every corner as hard as I can, and go as fast as I can until the next corner. This is the difference between racing and street riding. If you are riding like this on the street, I suggest you either take up racing, or have a good life-insurance policy for any dependants you might have. Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 12:24:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LGOESi022864; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:24:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LGODqm022855; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:24:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:24:04 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Seat Upholstery? To: Brian Ray Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <3D63BEA4.3D70745D@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020821125706.3116.qmail@web9404.mail.yahoo.com> Brian Ray wrote: > > I'm getting a 1980 KZ 440 LTD as a starter bike - > generally pretty clean, but the seat is ripped. Any > recommendations on NoVA (Chantilly to Manassas pref.) > upholstery shops to get it recovered? I don't really > need restoration quality work, but wanted to sit on > something other than duct tape... There was a place called Brownings (I think) on 28 in Manassas (know where Yorkshire is?) that did a nice seat repair job for me once, at a decent ($75-ish) price. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 12:33:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LGX9Si023104; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:33:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LGX9Di023097; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:33:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821123216.022758b8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:33:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: USENET THREADS In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020821111148.009e65d0@mail.mac.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020820205022.009f1d30@XXXXXX> <1ac.7107bc7.2a938775@XXXXXX> <1ac.7107bc7.2a938775@XXXXXX> <7t25mugh4c9la0pbjsv1hups2ri5n02d07@XXXXXX> <5.1.1.6.0.20020820205022.009f1d30@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This sounds a lot like reeky. Is this what dc-cycles has become? Usenet via email? At 12:03 PM 8/21/2002, Sean Jordan wrote: >As I stated in my post, I was speaking in the context of STREET RIDING. >Ergo, you are taking my arguments out of context. Street riding and racing >are two COMPLETELY different animals. I'll thank you now to read the >entirety of my posts. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 13:08:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LH87Si023551; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:08:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LH87kk023546; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:08:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821170805.3672.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:08:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: USENET THREADS To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821123216.022758b8@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Troutman wrote: > This sounds a lot like reeky. Is this what dc-cycles has > become? Usenet > via email? nope. dc-cycles has become a bicyclists' forum. and if you don't like it i'll pull my stinking, skid-marked spandex shorts over your head. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 13:11:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LHBmSi023723; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:11:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LHBlVV023718; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:11:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821131118.02271088@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:11:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: USENET THREADS In-Reply-To: <20020821170805.3672.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821123216.022758b8@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:08 PM 8/21/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >nope. dc-cycles has become a bicyclists' forum. and if >you don't like it i'll pull my stinking, skid-marked >spandex shorts over your head. Shouldn't you be sleeping naked under your desk right now? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 13:31:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LHVYSi023990; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:31:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LHVYXx023978; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:31:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821173132.93825.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:31:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: USENET THREADS To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821131118.02271088@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Troutman wrote: > At 01:08 PM 8/21/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > >nope. dc-cycles has become a bicyclists' forum. and if > >you don't like it i'll pull my stinking, skid-marked > >spandex shorts over your head. > > Shouldn't you be sleeping naked under your desk right > now? a couple things: 1. my experience as an on-the-clock napper pre-dates the formation of my own business. i cannot now in good conscience bill a client for time spent snoring and drooling.... unless, of course, i'm in court. 2. i've taken a liking to this spandex stuff.... and now prefer it (on pleather anyway) to a sweaty, bare ass. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 13:35:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LHZ0Si024154; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:35:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LHZ0FS024140; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:35:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:34:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Maddox To: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: USENET THREADS In-Reply-To: <20020821173132.93825.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Troutman wrote: >> >> Shouldn't you be sleeping naked under your desk right >> now? > >2. i've taken a liking to this spandex stuff.... and now >prefer it (on pleather anyway) to a sweaty, bare ass. Doesn't that depend on *whose* sweaty, bare ass? ;-) -- Andrew Maddox, found at: madsox@XXXXXX Today's Bartism: I will return the seeing-eye dog. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 13:45:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LHjGSi024376; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:45:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LHiun8024351; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:44:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:44:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT: cage help In-Reply-To: <20020821152147.53359.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII OD on an auto tranny is just like 6th gear (overdrive) in a standard. The reason to turn off OD on an auto tranny is when you're towing or heavily loaded. Think of the process in an auto tranny like a clutch in a manual. When it's not "locked up" (fully engaged) in a gear, it's like slipping your clutch in a manual. If you're towing or heavily loaded, an auto tranny may not be able to fully engage in top gear (overdrive), which will lead to overheating of the tranny (as well as excessive wear). This does not mean you're fine as long as it's not downshifting out of OD, BTW - unless you know what the tranny feels like when it's fully engaged you may not be able to tell the diff between it being locked up in top gear vs. having enough drive while slipping (and burning up your tranny) not to downshift. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 13:50:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LHouSi024686; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:50:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LHotIQ024670; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:50:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:50:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT: cage help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Brian Roach wrote: > OD on an auto tranny is just like 6th gear (overdrive) in a standard. I should note before I'm corrected by the resident tech nazis ( :) ) that I was relating this to 6th gear on a motorcycle, primarily sports bikes. In most cars (and some standard and cruiser motorcycles), 5th gear is your overdrive. Although, the Celica GT and 'Vet Z06 come to mind as both having 6 gears with 6th gear OD. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 13:54:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LHs2Si024852; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:54:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LHs2Ni024846; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:54:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511FB25@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: OT: cage help Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:54:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've read that most cars w/ 6 gears, are just geared closer so the RPMs don't drop off as much and it's not really an OD. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 1:51 PM To: Tom Gimer Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT: cage help In most cars (and some standard and cruiser motorcycles), 5th gear is your overdrive. Although, the Celica GT and 'Vet Z06 come to mind as both having 6 gears with 6th gear OD. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 13:59:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LHxaSi025035; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:59:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LHxabK025030; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:59:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821175934.99066.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:59:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: OT: cage help To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511FB25@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii so is the consensus: 1) "don't use the button unless you're towing;" OR 2) "use the button whenever you want, especially when towing" the vehicle is more responsive when overdrive is off, but fuel economy suffers by ~2.5 mpg. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 14:00:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LI0QSi025210; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:00:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LI0QAF025206; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:00:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:59:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: cage help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020821105237.S4748-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Brian Roach wrote: > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Brian Roach wrote: > > > OD on an auto tranny is just like 6th gear (overdrive) in a standard. > > I should note before I'm corrected by the resident tech nazis ( :) ) that > I was relating this to 6th gear on a motorcycle, primarily sports bikes. > > In most cars (and some standard and cruiser motorcycles), 5th gear is your > overdrive. Although, the Celica GT and 'Vet Z06 come to mind as both > having 6 gears with 6th gear OD. > > - Roach Not to split hairs, but several cars ( the Z06 included ) have multiple overdrive gears. In the case of the Z06, 5th and 6th are both overdrive gears (4th being 1:1). My Audi S4 technically has 3 overdrive gears. Also, as more vehicles get 5 and 6spd automagics, you'll see more autos with double and triple overdrives. -- Wayne 'tech nazi?' ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 14:00:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LI0TSi025246; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:00:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LI0TCV025242; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:00:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D63D443.2010708@us.didata.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:56:19 -0400 From: Tom de Reply-To: tdeboeser@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020529 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride References: <20020821143512.72467.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Tom de wrote: > > >> Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: >> >> >> >>> >>> >>Doesn't grass have less traction than pavement? Which >>would induce a >>rear lock up faster? Hence the question why is it there >>(the rear >>brake)? Wouldn't that be even more dangerous? >> >> > >try using the front brake on the grass and report back to >us. oh, be sure to wear your protective gear. > > > Point taken, I didn't think about that, but I'd probably use both still - or better yet brake properly with both and stay out of the grass ;) Tom de '98 VTR - I did say I was done, didn't I? Oh well BTW - Syth oil sucks, as do harleys, cbr's, gsxr's, duc's, dino oil, V-Twins, in-line 4's, UNIX, linux, fords, chevy's, BWM, and anything Microsoft The above is a joke. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 14:07:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LI7bSi025621; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:07:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LI7bPS025616; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:07:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:07:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: Rich Hall cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: OT: cage help In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511FB25@SERVER1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Rich Hall wrote: > I've read that most cars w/ 6 gears, are just geared closer so the RPMs > don't drop off as much and it's not really an OD. The gears are closer, you are correct - you have 6 gears vs. 5 covering the same range. The ratios are closer, therefore you are more easily able to keep the revs higher when shifting - this is the benefit of having a 6 gear box, and also why sportbikes have them. However, on production cars, 6th gear is still overdrive in every case I've seen - this allows them to boost their hwy MPG ratings. The Celica GT-S, for example, has a .725 ratio 6th gear... big overdrive (And actually 5th gear is .0918 which is technically also overdrive... but not by much :) ) - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 14:11:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LIBESi025794; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:11:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LIBEtE025789; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:11:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:10:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: OT: cage help In-Reply-To: <20020821175934.99066.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > so is the consensus: > 1) "don't use the button unless you're towing;" OR > 2) "use the button whenever you want, especially when > towing" > > the vehicle is more responsive when overdrive is off, but > fuel economy suffers by ~2.5 mpg. Correct - you're driving in a lower gear. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 14:15:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LIFTSi026015; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:15:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LIFTHY026011; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:15:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:15:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: Wayne Edelen cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: cage help In-Reply-To: <20020821105237.S4748-100000@magoo.noid.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: > Not to split hairs, but several cars ( the Z06 included ) have multiple > overdrive gears. In the case of the Z06, 5th and 6th are both overdrive > gears (4th being 1:1). My Audi S4 technically has 3 overdrive gears. > > Also, as more vehicles get 5 and 6spd automagics, you'll see more autos > with double and triple overdrives. You're absolutly correct mr. tech nazi :) I just made another post and noted that in the case of the Celica before I got your message. "Overdrive" just means the wheels are turning faster than the motor. In a gear ratio chart, it's when the gear ratio is smaller than 1.0. As long as the motor can sustain momentum with the car being is such a high gear, there's no reason not to have multiple OD gears. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 14:19:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LIJ8Si026319; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:19:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LIJ80W026308; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:19:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:17:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: Brian Roach cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: cage help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020821111530.V4748-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Brian Roach wrote: > You're absolutly correct mr. tech nazi :) I just made another post and > noted that in the case of the Celica before I got your message. :-) > "Overdrive" just means the wheels are turning faster than the motor. In a > gear ratio chart, it's when the gear ratio is smaller than 1.0. As long as > the motor can sustain momentum with the car being is such a high gear, > there's no reason not to have multiple OD gears. Yep. The 6th gear in my T56 is .50:1. Makes for great highway mileage! :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 14:21:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LIL4Si026483; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:21:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LIL3HW026479; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:21:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821182101.92889.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:21:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: OT: cage help To: Brian Roach Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Brian Roach wrote: > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > so is the consensus: > > 1) "don't use the button unless you're towing;" OR > > 2) "use the button whenever you want, especially when > > towing" > > > > the vehicle is more responsive when overdrive is off, > but > > fuel economy suffers by ~2.5 mpg. > > Correct - you're driving in a lower gear. i figured that. but sir, please answer the question! which, between 1) and 2) above, is the better advice -- tg (thanks) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 14:22:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LIMsSi026649; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:22:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LIMrQS026644; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:22:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:25:45 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Brian Roach cc: Wayne Edelen , Subject: Re: OT: cage help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > "Overdrive" just means the wheels are turning faster than the motor. In a > gear ratio chart, it's when the gear ratio is smaller than 1.0. As long as > the motor can sustain momentum with the car being is such a high gear, > there's no reason not to have multiple OD gears. > > - Roach > Actually its the ratio of the output shaft on the tranny, not the wheels. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 14:28:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LISKSi026839; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:28:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LISKPE026833; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:28:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BAA6@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" , "'motorcycle@XXXXXX'" Subject: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:32:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Motor PsychoL Danny declared, "I never never never use my back brake unless I'm on grass, gravel or wet ground..." Snow, you forgot snow. It's been a while but it'll come back. Then "oh yea i pretty much follow textbook rules when I take curves: approach curve... brake before the curve.. get off the brakes before the curve.. go in slow... look through the curve, smoothly roll on the throttle, then come out fast.." Yup, for you newbies. That's Rule 17 (or is it 423?) Finish all of your braking -- before -- you get to the curve/corner and lean it over. After a few years of practicing that, you'll have a better sense of your traction limits as you begin to "push your envelop" Most importantly, you won't go into a corner too hot, run wide and: 1. get dead, 2. get a bit scuffed, or 3. get lucky. Contrary to Danny, I declare, When you're on streets and roads, habitually use both brakes. The funky stuff such as oil, sand, and Eeeew-wazzat! can really upset your stability if you're only using the front. With thousands of miles under you tushes and on predictable surfaces -- then you can start the fancy-smanchy front brake only. Carl Schelin signed, "Weird Carl" Dagnabbit! Hey, we agreed, I have dibs on "Olde Weird Carl" And you'd be "Evil Overlord or summat Carl" 8^) Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg http://www.crashmancomics.com/sabmag/rogues/carlcuster.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 14:28:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LISrSi026875; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:28:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LISrX8026869; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:28:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:28:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: OT: cage help In-Reply-To: <20020821182101.92889.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > i figured that. but sir, please answer the question! > which, between 1) and 2) above, is the better advice Er, well... there's no right answer. Always use it when towing. This is the safe thing to do. At other times... use it at your discretion. You'll get better gas milage and the motor will run at a lower RPM when using OD. In theory, less revs means less enigine wear, so there's also a mechanical benefit there. If you turn it off, passing that guy who's doing 60mph in the fast lane is a lot easier :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 14:34:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LIYISi027235; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:34:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LIYD5I027216; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:34:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821183411.60778.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:34:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: OT: cage help To: Brian Roach Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Brian Roach wrote: > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > i figured that. but sir, please answer the question! > > which, between 1) and 2) above, is the better advice > > Er, well... there's no right answer. > > Always use it when towing. This is the safe thing to do. > At other times... use it at your discretion. You'll get > better gas milage > and the motor will run at a lower RPM when using OD. In > theory, less revs > means less enigine wear, so there's also a mechanical > benefit there. > If you turn it off, passing that guy who's doing 60mph in > the fast lane is > a lot easier :) thank you. now, back to the discussions on (1) proper pedaling technique; and (2) how to hog an entire lane with very skinny tires..... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 14:34:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LIYiSi027266; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:34:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LIYhZT027258; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:34:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821183441.95672.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:34:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: OT: cage help To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Brian, I think you should stay away from tranvestites if you are getting married. Mark --- Brian Roach wrote: > > > OD on an auto tranny is just like 6th gear > (overdrive) in a standard. > > The reason to turn off OD on an auto tranny is when > you're towing or > heavily loaded. Think of the process in an auto > tranny like a clutch in a > manual. When it's not "locked up" (fully engaged) in > a gear, it's like > slipping your clutch in a manual. If you're towing > or heavily loaded, an > auto tranny may not be able to fully engage in top > gear (overdrive), which > will lead to overheating of the tranny (as well as > excessive wear). This > does not mean you're fine as long as it's not > downshifting out of OD, BTW > - unless you know what the tranny feels like when > it's fully engaged you > may not be able to tell the diff between it being > locked up in top gear > vs. having enough drive while slipping (and burning > up your tranny) not to > downshift. > > - Roach > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 14:47:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LIlvSi027629; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:47:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LIluvQ027622; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:47:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:45:41 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BAA6@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BAA6@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208211445411Y.08244@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 21 August 2002 14:32, Custer, Carl wrote: > Carl Schelin signed, "Weird Carl" > Dagnabbit! > Hey, we agreed, I have dibs on "Olde Weird Carl" > And you'd be "Evil Overlord or summat Carl" 8^) > Sorry, you're right. I was referring to the quoted information at the end. It's a STR for the Weird Al movie; UHF, recently available on DVD. Sometimes I get a little carried away. I went to four Weird Al concerts in one year back when Running With Scissors came out; Pennsylvania, Denver, Warner Theater in DC, and King's Dominion. My wife then made me go to four They Might Be Giants concerts although we "missed" the DC101 one. We came but they were on last and we didn't want to hang around. > Carl in Bethesda Evil Overlord Carl > Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over > snow, and around road ragers. Well, I've been commuting in the metro area since 1975, my longest commute being from Spotsylvania to Gaithersburg back in '85 and others from Stafford to Columbia Md. No no, not on bikes all that time though. > '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); > '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); Is this like how old your jacket is?? Yoinks! > '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) > Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: > http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg > http://www.crashmancomics.com/sabmag/rogues/carlcuster.jpg I've seen these pictures. Have you seen the "official" ones? (Official being ones made for the bike and mounting in a made for spot rather than just hung off of the bike; not that yours are just, *ahem* hung.) Evil Overlord Carl (I'm repeating myself; does that mean I'm getting old?) -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 14:58:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LIw1Si027881; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:58:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LIw15a027876; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:58:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200208211857.OAA02788@boo-mda02.boo.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: jcohen@XXXXXX Subject: MN, WI, IA Riding Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:57:59 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 Anyone familiar with the roads around Minneapolis/St. Paul? I may be spending some time in the Twin Cities, and I'm wondering if there are any nearby roads worth riding. I'm thinking there might be a few interesting roads in SE Minnesota, NE Iowa, and SW Wisconsin near the Mississippi River. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. -Kurt --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 14:58:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LIwXSi027923; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:58:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LIwXuL027917; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:58:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <39.2bfe5463.2a953ccb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:58:19 EDT Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/20/2002 7:10:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > rather > than the guy who doesn't even own one. Excuse me? A motorcycle has been my primary form of transportation year round for nearly 40 years. Then add 8 years as a professional motorcycle mechanic. And it is not just me, but EVERY major motorcycle safety organization. As for the other stuff, go to the archives, I have already answered. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 15:11:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LJB8Si028364; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:11:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LJB87l028355; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:11:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D63E719.DAD17579@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:16:41 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Roach CC: Tom Gimer , DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT: cage help References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Roach wrote: > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > i figured that. but sir, please answer the question! > > which, between 1) and 2) above, is the better advice > > Er, well... there's no right answer. > > Always use it when towing. This is the safe thing to do. > At other times... use it at your discretion. You'll get better gas milage > and the motor will run at a lower RPM when using OD. In theory, less revs > means less enigine wear, so there's also a mechanical benefit there. > If you turn it off, passing that guy who's doing 60mph in the fast lane is > a lot easier :) > > - Roach Don't know tg's OD works, but my mopars kick out when you stick your foot in the throttle for a pass. It *is* an automatic tranny, does the thinking for you. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 15:17:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LJHeSi028677; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:17:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LJHepP028672; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:17:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:21:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VFR Speedo link question. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII So, the Speedometer on my VFR stopped working yesterday afternoon. After some research on the net, I pulled things apart this morning and found that the little plastic bit between the actual cable and the countershaft is worn. I need a new part, number 44808-MR7-013, according to the VFR FAQ. Has anyone else with a VFR had this happen, and if so, did you just get the part or attempt some sort of epoxy repair? I know its a small thing, and have already made calls to get a replacement, but am just curious. This will, I think, be the third replacement of this same part for this bike, based on what the previous owner told me. Here's what the VFR FAQ has to say on the matter: http://www.one-ring.net/vfrfaq/90-97series.html#speedo -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 15:23:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LJNsSi028870; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:23:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LJNsmt028866; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:23:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821192352.12912.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:23:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: OT: cage help To: "William J. Huson" , Brian Roach Cc: Tom Gimer , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3D63E719.DAD17579@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wouldn't go that far. The best they do is poorly IMO. Glenn - Hoping that lazy americans will get sick of automatics... --- "William J. Huson" wrote: It *is* an automatic > tranny, does the thinking for > you. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 15:32:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LJWcSi029065; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:32:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LJWcSA029058; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:32:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <34.2c279d1f.2a9544ce@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:32:30 EDT Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/21/2002 7:20:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > I'll bet > cash money yoru skid mark wont' be straight. SO WHAT? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 15:35:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LJZfSi029245; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:35:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LJZeJ3029229; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:35:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1a5.729e325.2a954582@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:35:30 EDT Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/21/2002 7:32:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > Everything I learned from other people, and thus > pass on what I learned once i verified the validity. Ah! Science, that explains it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 15:49:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LJnuSi029473; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:49:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LJntSt029468; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:49:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:48:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: cage help In-Reply-To: <20020821192352.12912.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020821124620.E4748-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Glenn Dysart wrote: > I wouldn't go that far. The best they do is poorly > IMO. > > Glenn - Hoping that lazy americans will get sick of > automatics... Curious why you think having an automatic is being lazy, Glenn? One could argue that using anything with a motor is lazy, couldn't you just ride a bicycle or walk? :-) I have several friends confined to wheelchairs (that race their cars!) that are happy that manufacturers make powerful cars with automatic trannies. -- Wayne '3 6spd manual, 1 5spd auto, 1 4spd auto' :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 16:04:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LK4mSi029820; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:04:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LK4lMs029812; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:04:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821200445.43226.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:04:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: OT: cage help To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020821124620.E4748-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Look at the way people complain about having to shift all the time... "my leg gets tired of pushing the clutch", etc. I've heard it 1000 times, I'm sure you have too. Biggest complaint seems to come from people who don't know how to "properly" drive a manual in stop and go traffic. Glenn --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > I wouldn't go that far. The best they do is > poorly > > IMO. > > > > Glenn - Hoping that lazy americans will get sick > of > > automatics... > > Curious why you think having an automatic is being > lazy, Glenn? One could > argue that using anything with a motor is lazy, > couldn't you just ride a > bicycle or walk? :-) > > I have several friends confined to wheelchairs (that > race their cars!) > that are happy that manufacturers make powerful cars > with automatic > trannies. > > -- Wayne '3 6spd manual, 1 5spd auto, 1 4spd auto' > :-) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 16:10:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LKAFSi029893; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:10:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LKAFLM029885; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:10:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:09:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: cage help In-Reply-To: <20020821200445.43226.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020821130527.T4748-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Look at the way people complain about having to shift > all the time... "my leg gets tired of pushing the > clutch", etc. I've heard it 1000 times, I'm sure you > have too. Biggest complaint seems to come from people > who don't know how to "properly" drive a manual in > stop and go traffic. Sure, but those are generally the same people that whine and complain about everything in life. Traffic jams, rear brake usage ;-) etc. I guess in your view, the newer SMGs are dumbing down drivers (Ferrari, BMW and Toyota)? :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 16:12:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LKCbSi030068; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:12:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LKCbAM030059; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:12:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821201235.56677.qmail@web9407.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:12:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Carb Sync Tool To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is it possible to rent such a tool locally, espec. in NoVA? If not, and I need to buy one, any advice on what to get or where to get it? This will be used on a KZ 440 Ltd (2 carbs). Thanks, Brian Ray __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 16:13:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LKDNSi030113; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:13:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LKDNC7030108; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:13:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <166.12923524.2a954e5b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:13:15 EDT Subject: Re: OT: cage help To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/21/2002 1:54:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: > I've read that most cars w/ 6 gears, are just geared closer so the RPMs > don't drop off as much and it's not really an OD. Overdrive simply means the output shaft of the transmission is turning faster then the input shaft. That can happen in any gear (In first it would be a bugger to start off) In the end it is a meaningless marketing tool, labeling a tall top gear (or gears) "Overdrive" sounds like you are getting something for free. If you have a low rear end you could wind up with a lower real world gearing then a non overdrive cage. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 16:17:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LKHPSi030414; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:17:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LKHOfc030406; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:17:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020821201722.32536.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:17:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: OT: cage help To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020821130527.T4748-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not sure what SMG is? I ass-u-me you are referring to the "tiptronic" style shifters first found on Porsche? Yeah, I think they suck. Glenn --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > I guess in your view, the newer SMGs are dumbing > down drivers (Ferrari, > BMW and Toyota)? :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 16:18:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LKITSi030579; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:18:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LKITEn030573; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:18:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: DC Cycles Subject: Timing Strobe With Advance Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:15:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Is there a good local source to purchase a Timing Strobe With Advance? I've asked at a few auto parts places and they didn't carry them or the ones in stock were broken. I live in the Alexandria/Huntington area. Thanks... Wellesley From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 16:25:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LKP7Si030785; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:25:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LKP6c8030768; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:25:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:23:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: cage help In-Reply-To: <20020821201722.32536.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020821132233.B4748-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Not sure what SMG is? I ass-u-me you are referring to > the "tiptronic" style shifters first found on Porsche? > Yeah, I think they suck. > > Glenn SMG is a sequential manual gearbox. It's a true manual, unlike the autostick/tiptronic stuff that's an auto with a good program and a different shifter. The SMGs have clutches and don't have tq converters. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 17:31:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LLVbSi031375; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:31:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LLVaMg031361; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:31:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:30:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MN, WI, IA Riding In-Reply-To: <200208211857.OAA02788@boo-mda02.boo.net> Message-ID: <20020821142945.D7982-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 jcohen@XXXXXX wrote: > Anyone familiar with the roads around Minneapolis/St. Paul? I may be > spending some time in the Twin Cities, and I'm wondering if there are any > nearby roads worth riding. I'm thinking there might be a few interesting roads > in SE Minnesota, NE Iowa, and SW Wisconsin near the Mississippi River. Any > suggestions would be much appreciated. Here's what a friend of mine in WI sent me... http://my.execpc.com/~ytk/wi.htm Hope that helps! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 17:48:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LLm5Si031635; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:48:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LLm5qK031628; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:48:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZMk5Gns1S/l5j3ALCYZeHfOtyYF4EqPx6ows4nu6Svnu97gywPG80umQQx0yuANO0= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: aftermarket oil coolers Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:48:02 -0400 Message-ID: <009701c2495c$6cfcf050$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <20020821142945.D7982-100000@magoo.noid.org> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Any suggestions? I've got a pinhole leak the local radiator repair guy said was inaccessible (can't spot-weld or braze shut). thx. --jon 01 Suzuki Bandit 1200 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 17:59:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LLxbSi032098; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:59:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LLxaVF032091; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:59:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002001c2495d$98a791a0$30422c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: SPAM: my 98 VFR for sale-- price drop Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:56:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Pierfrancesco C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: SPAM: my 98 VFR for sale-- price drop Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:45:06 +0000 Price drop: $4,850 VFR 800 1998 for sale. ------------------------------------------------------ You still haven't sold this piece of shit? Should go pretty quick for that price. Get it in the paper and on Ebay. T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 18:13:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LMDESi032342; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:13:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LMDEwT032337; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:13:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Todd Peer" Cc: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Re: SPAM: my 98 VFR for sale-- price drop Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:26:09 -0400 Message-ID: References: <002001c2495d$98a791a0$30422c42@c9rnf01> In-Reply-To: <002001c2495d$98a791a0$30422c42@c9rnf01> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7LMDDSi032325 ROTFL On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:56:25 -0400, you wrote: >From: "Pierfrancesco C" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX >Subject: SPAM: my 98 VFR for sale-- price drop >Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:45:06 +0000 > >Price drop: $4,850 > >VFR 800 1998 for sale. >------------------------------------------------------ > >You still haven't sold this piece of shit? Should go pretty quick for that >price. Get it in the paper and on Ebay. > >T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 18:23:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LMN8Si032563; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:23:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LMN8Km032555; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:23:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002a01c24960$e21f8600$30422c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: SPAM: my 91 Rolling Turd for sale-- price drop Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:19:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In fear of what Tom Gimer might say about it (AND RUIN EVERYTHING...FUCKER!!), I thought I'd try this approach to selling my motorcycle. 1991 ST1100, black piece of shit for sale to the first sucker with $4000 (obo). This rolling turd was just recently shod with brand new and horribly under achieving D205s, front and rear. There are just over 85,000 miles registered and blistered onto my fat pimply ass due to the shitty custom work by Sargent saddles. When I get tired of using the throttle to coax this heavy hunk of junk around corners, I use the (owner installed) electronic cruise control to relieve my tired (from the kung-fu gripping I constantly perform) right wrist and hand. When I can't see a damned thing at night (the only time I'd be caught dead on this death-trap), I flip on my dual 55w spots. Other drivers usually slink away in fear that some of my bike will get on them. Those that don't are treated to 130 decibals of German Hella. Just for the fun of knowing how fast a fresh turd will go, I installed a Sigma Sport BC800. And to tell me how friggin hot it is, I installed a Radio Scraps thermo with remote sensor. Looks fabulous >:) Other goodies include a BMW styled outlet and 4-way flashers. Why would anyone want to draw attention to this obscenity!!? Those are the good points. Down-sides include some (visible up close) maring on the right panier but it still holds and keeps dry lots of electrically driven marital aids, and live gerbals. A recently blown shock ($$$'s, Works cost around $650) and the possibility of some clutch plate replacement (don't know how much this would cost) further detract from the overall disgust. This limp-dicked, loping two wheeler is (or will be soon) in need of a timing belt replacement (I have it ready to go....whatever). So, if you or someone you deeply care about are ready to part with a fraction of your childs college fund and be the proud owner of my old sport touring rig, contact me off list. If not, I really don't care. Todd (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 18:28:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LMSVSi000329; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:28:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LMSVNA000321; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:28:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821182735.00b3d780@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:28:16 -0400 To: "Todd Peer" , "AA DC Cycles" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: SPAM: my 91 Rolling Turd for sale-- price drop In-Reply-To: <002a01c24960$e21f8600$30422c42@c9rnf01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:19 PM 8/21/2002 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >In fear of what Tom Gimer might say about it (AND RUIN >EVERYTHING...FUCKER!!), I thought I'd try this approach to selling my >motorcycle. > >1991 ST1100, black piece of shit for sale to the first sucker with $4000 >(obo). This rolling turd was just recently shod with brand new and horribly >under achieving D205s, front and rear. There are just over 85,000 miles >registered and blistered onto my fat pimply ass due to the shitty custom >work by Sargent saddles. > >When I get tired of using the throttle to coax this heavy hunk of junk >around corners, I use the (owner installed) electronic cruise control to >relieve my tired (from the kung-fu gripping I constantly perform) right >wrist and hand. When I can't see a damned thing at night (the only time I'd >be caught dead on this death-trap), I flip on my dual 55w spots. Other >drivers usually slink away in fear that some of my bike will get on them. >Those that don't are treated to 130 decibals of German Hella. > >Just for the fun of knowing how fast a fresh turd will go, I installed a >Sigma Sport BC800. And to tell me how friggin hot it is, I installed a >Radio Scraps thermo with remote sensor. Looks fabulous >:) > >Other goodies include a BMW styled outlet and 4-way flashers. Why would >anyone want to draw attention to this obscenity!!? > >Those are the good points. > >Down-sides include some (visible up close) maring on the right panier but it >still holds and keeps dry lots of electrically driven marital aids, and live >gerbals. A recently blown shock ($$$'s, Works cost around $650) and the >possibility of some clutch plate replacement (don't know how much this would >cost) further detract from the overall disgust. This limp-dicked, loping >two wheeler is (or will be soon) in need of a timing belt replacement (I >have it ready to go....whatever). > >So, if you or someone you deeply care about are ready to part with a >fraction of your childs college fund and be the proud owner of my old sport >touring rig, contact me off list. If not, I really don't care. > >Todd (Springfield, VA) GOD DAMN! If had the money I'd write you check RIGHT NOW! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 18:31:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LMVgSi000440; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:31:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LMVdPQ000421; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:31:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Tom de Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:44:34 -0400 Message-ID: References: <3D6377CF.7070401@yahoo.com> <8gv6muc0eml9lv2pckd1uvgf0d6m3fr5il@4ax.com> <3D6389A3.5020104@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3D6389A3.5020104@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7LMVcSi000404 >Doesn't grass have less traction than pavement? Which would induce a >rear lock up faster? Hence the question why is it there (the rear >brake)? Wouldn't that be even more dangerous? I'm sure someone else must have answered this one for you already by now. if not ask again. >>and you've watched them crash a lot too havent' you. >> >Nope, never. well they have.. they all do. >All of the guys I know use their brakes (front and rear) before the >curve, look through, roll on, accel out. Just like they were trained in >MSF, CLASS, WERA, etc... WERA? wera teaches you to use 2 brakes and street ride? >>Except for say... this little thing probably called... federal >>regulations? DOT standards? how about product liability lawsuits? >>So what do they do now? they detune the rear break so that it's even >>more innefecient so it won't lock up on you, but it brakes even less. >> >Recalls? You know when some system (brake, cooling, steering, etc.) on >a vehicle is found to have a flaw a recall is issued. Quite often >afterwards a manufacturer will re-engineer the system. So if rear >brakes are dangerous for the masses, Recall. A issued 'detune' probably >woundn't fly, the gov wouldn't trust the manufacturer or the rider. it's not a flaw.. it's rider error. so what are you talking about? it can be detuned to counter rider error. >Again grass, gravel, wet surface at any speed has less traction which >will induce lock up faster. So this makes the rear brake dangerous. > (without ABS) okay and you go out and use your front brake nad see where it LANDS you. I agree it is more dangerous, but i'm sure someone on the list has explained to you by now, using the front in those situations would be even more dangerous. You're comparing applles to oranges, wet vs dry. You can't compare the two because they have different characteristics of input and output. >>Anyone who rides a sportbike and think thier rear brake is good for >>reducing high speed or panic situations needs to familiarize th >>emselves with BOTH brakes and what they do and how effeciently. >> >>Don't listen to me.. go out there and practice using both your brakes >>to their maximum and tell me what you find. >> >Thanks, but I have. You've used your front brake so well that the rear wheel has left the ground? And at that point how effect was your rear brake? >>you'll find i was right, the rear wheel comes off the ground with >>front brake usage, and the rear wheel fishtails with rear brake usage. >> >Fishtails only when used incorrectly. So you and I can go out and do a braking exercise and you can leave a long straight rear wheel skid mark for me? I dont think so. >>>Tom de - a sport bike rider, who has locked the rear, controled it and >>>stopped safely - more than once. >>>'98 VTR - a Honda sportbike - with rear brake >>>UNIX admin (maybe thats the problem) >> >>Danny - sport bike rider who brakes, or brakes and swerves with more >>control than tom... and a sportbike rider who locks up both wheels >>(indivually) safely for the purpose of doing stunts, in an uncountable >># of times.. >> >I didn't insult yo..., oh wait I guess I did insult your intelligence. insult? you find it an insult merely because I say I can out perform you in braking techniques? you don't know what an insult is you blathering idiot. see that's an insult. Stating someone is better or worse is not an insult. Furtherrmore, I didn't find anything insulting. If you insulted my intelligence, it must be pretty easy and i must be too stupid to understand how / when. >>with respect to sportbikes, if people want to fish tail in those scary >>panic situations, listen to advocates of rear brakes. If people want >>to brake in a controlled fashion, avoid the rear brake. >> >So I guess Honda and BWM should hire you so you can re-engineer their >braking systems, you know Honda's ABS/linked system and BMW ABS. >BTW, have you removed your rear brake? It would look so cool and be so >much lighter, I bet it would add 20mph to your top speed. Honda and BMW have brake integrated sportbikes? which models? This thread has been about sportbikes. If integrated brakes are sooo wonderful, how come they aren't on nicky haydens bikes? Or any race bike? integrated brakes suck unless you're touring or something. >Tom de '98 VTR. Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 18:53:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LMrTSi000979; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:53:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LMrTNn000975; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:53:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Wayne Edelen Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:06:24 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8gv6muc0eml9lv2pckd1uvgf0d6m3fr5il@4ax.com> <20020821064108.G2584-100000@magoo.noid.org> In-Reply-To: <20020821064108.G2584-100000@magoo.noid.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7LMrSSi000963 >> >Tom de - a sport bike rider, who has locked the rear, controled it and >> >stopped safely - more than once. >> >'98 VTR - a Honda sportbike - with rear brake >> >UNIX admin (maybe thats the problem) >> >> Danny - sport bike rider who brakes, or brakes and swerves with more >> control than tom... and a sportbike rider who locks up both wheels >> (indivually) safely for the purpose of doing stunts, in an uncountable >> # of times.. > >Isn't this list about information exchange? Just curious why you are >acting like a petulant child, insulting people and desperately trying to >prove yourself right? I'm sorry. I'm psychologicly flawed and imperfect. You had to ask? As far as information exchange, yes it is, and I'm confident someone will read the debates and make their own wise decisions. as you see above tom listed his credentials and so I listed mine. If a new rider comes onto the list and reads teh arguements to try to learn for himself, he can also see the backgrounds of who's argueing. If it were me, I'd listen to the guy who obviously is better and more experienced with his brakes and knows what he's talking about. >You're a self proclaimed braking and stunting expert, along with a >'textbook' rider. I can only assume you've got 15-20 years of riding, >racing and teaching experience with cycles to have amassed such extensive >knowledge and experience with all things related to motorcycling. I dont' understand your association with years of riding. Time does not neccesarrily equate to exposure or practice. I try to learn all I can about motorcycling. I was learning about riding years before I even owned a bike. Besides what does it matter how long I have been riding, what matters is how well i can ride, and if my knowledge is correct or incorrect.. Also how do you equate years of riding to say.. practice riding? I average about 15k miles a year on my bike, and I'm not a riding commuter. If one guy only gets 5k a year and i get 15k and I only have 2/3 the # of years as riding him, technichally i've been riding longer in comparison. Not to mention I bought my 2000 zx6r in 2001 with 3k on the clock. I just hit 30k miles on my bike. I'm not exactly a poster boy for being a new and uniformed rider. How many miles do you have on your busa? Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 19:06:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LN6OSi001160; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:06:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LN6Oci001155; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:06:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:19:19 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020821064108.G2584-100000@magoo.noid.org> <20020821143652.70162.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020821143652.70162.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7LN6NSi001138 >for the record, i believe danny was a newbie about 3-4 >years ago. >regardless, i wanna see this rolling 2-up stoppie. My girlfriend likes them... so that's not a problem. My problem now is after 30k miles and much punishment, a few of my shaft bearings decided they wanted to skinny dip in my oil pan, so the engine has to be pulled... so now i'm on my 95 zx6r during the down time of my 2000 model.. the problem is the 95 has been sitting most of the time and the brakes have deteriorated from good stoppie power. otherwise i'd just tell you come on out to DC and see sometime. :( Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 19:54:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LNs8Si002023; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:54:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LNs7I4002011; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:54:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:07:01 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020821135848.30520.qmail@server445.gisol.com> In-Reply-To: <20020821135848.30520.qmail@server445.gisol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7LNs6Si001999 On 21 Aug 2002 13:58:48 -0000, you wrote: > Danny 'the new Squeakers', flooded the list with: > >>>[Dave] ...until early December. We CAN'T POSSIBLY be right back here again... >>Well you know unexpected things happen at unnexpected times, and we >>must be noble and suffer the slings and arrows.... > >[Dave] A famous instructor I know holds that "the best cover is a steady stream of accurate fire directed at your enemy". I won't be suffering any slings and arrows... A steady stream? how about a double tap and be done with it? can you turn your word wrap on though? >>>[Dave] Then said rider did it W R O N G. >>The prosecution rests your owner.. > >[Dave] HONOR. YOUR HONOR. If you're going to be a Mister Smarty Pants, you need to be gramatically correct, annunciate properly, and convey the correct thoughts with your commentary. Take a few moments more to proof read your posts before putting them out there. Regardless of the merits of your position, more people will be inclined to read and comprehend your musings if they are at least somewhat worded correctly & intelligently (not meaning to insult you here). Quality posts count, quantity of posts means little. :) I was up all night and then i posted at 8 am.. I thought honor i typed owner. Give me brain freeze liberties or give me death. Also i'm not one to conform the standards of "pretty presentation". If a person is too caught up in presentation to consider the message then that is their loss. If the devil tells me smoking crack is bad for me, i'm not going to assume ti's a lie because ti came from the devil. if a sluring bum preaches wisdom, if the ideas make sense i'll listen. If a person wants to pass up good information because they didnt' like the presentation, that's like poetic justice that a snooty person would remain ignorant . > the defense just acknowledged our >>case.. he braked and swerved wrong. he shoulda used the front brake, >>then swerved. > >[Dave] Your using my comments out of context doesn't score any points with the list. Said rider misused or abused his rear brake and suffered the consequences. Had he practiced / learned proper technique, there would not have been a problem, only a really cool bench racing story. Actually we dont know if he did learn / practice good brakign technique. He may have? It is pretty much a fact that people panic and this stuff happens. Maybe he was taught to use both his brakes, and was in the habbit of using both his brakes.... and panic set in as a natural instinct... and so the story goes.. he joins the masses. Maybe he wasnt' taught to fight panic? Maybe sometimes panic can't be faught? Maybe that's why some on the list advocate not using the rear brake because it's habit will kick in with panic. > >>>had he not panic'd locked up his rear, he cold have just braked and >>>swerved and avoided the accident. > >[Dave] I think the above statement proves beyond a reasonable doubt the point at hand. It is not rear brake use at all that causes any trouble, any more than spoons cause Rosie O'Donnell to be fat. It is the A B U S E or misuse of it. Spoons and rosie o donnel LOL. And matches don't cause fire. Agreed.. however with proper use of the front brake (on sportbikes), the rear becomes negated. In a panic situation the front should be used so hard the rear would be negated. Therefor one should only use the front brake so when you preform braking out of habbit in a panic situation, you'll stop "better". >Using a trick I've learned as an instructor, I'll relate the known to the unknown for your benefit, Danny. > >Guns don't go off by themselves, period. Same with brakes. Try this one: "Rear brakes don't engage themselves!" Agreed, but some teach that in panic situations, training goes out the window.. and habbit kicks in.. and what happens? peopel who use the rear brake lock up the rear wheel. Wether they crash or not is a bunch of luck I suppose. but if your rear wheel is sliding around, then evedently you could have used your front brake more. The front brake stops you faster than your rear, so you should use your front. you shoudl use your front out of habbit. You should be familiar with how to use your front to it's maximum. If youre skidding you rear wheel on a sportbike, you need to learn to use your front brake better. >[Dave] That's Benefit with an "e"... I mispelled. I'm so embarassed. :) >[Dave] By exactly WHAT qualifications do you profess to know the truth and be able to impart this divine wisdom upon the great unwashed masses of DCC ? ? ? This question will not be answered here today. There is no right answer for every rider here, Danny. The right answer is what works for the individual rider. > qualifications? I practice what I preach. These ideas are not of my invention, this is not so me new testiment gospel. it's pretty much accepted and standard in teh world of sportbikes. The problem is the non sportbike riders want to preach the aplication of braking techniques of signfigantly different bikes, that don't work with sportbikes. I offered to provide the proof to demonstrate shorter and more controlled braking. I offered that we put the braking thread to a real world test. I offered for people to put it to real world tests themselves and learn for themselves. I offer another challenge.. for any sportbike rider who can't use their front brake enough to lift their rear wheel off the ground, to go out and learn to use your front brake to that extent.. come back and post if your braking skills are improved.. that you find that you can slow down quicker than you coudl before. >Just because a racer, or a few racers or even a lot of racers do something a particular way, does not mean that practice should be directly applied to the street - and vice versa. Actually if racing is the best example of what you need to do on the street, it shoudl be applied. If you're trying to go from high MPH to scrubbing off speed, in a very short distance, exactly as the racers do, then it might be good to do as they do. Use the front brake only. > I don't pretend to be born with one fathome of an idea on >>sport bike riding. Everything I learned from other people, and thus >>pass on what I learned once i verified the validity. I remember >>reading about counter steering and saying "nah who'ver posted that is >>just confused it's impossible"... but that post said "try this" and i >>went out and tried it and low and behold they were right. > >[Dave] And thus, Danny, you have introduced a lack of confidence in your position because you've admitted your sport bike riding has significant room for improvement & learning. We may, and should draw from the above statements that you may one day change your opinion of rear brake usage as well. Whether you do or don't, it shall not make one bit of difference here. Oh contraire mon fraire... That is not true. I am 100% confident in what i'm saying. When I said I remember this and that, that was years ago, when I didn't know. now I know. Also I do believe I have a lot ot learn about sportbike riding. (not about braking) I have a lot to learn about life. life is a learning processes. No matter who you are, there is always more to learn. When you thiknk you can't learn any more, you're just convinced yourself it's okay to be ignorant of what you dont' know yet. THat too is not a philosophy that I originated. There are people who race far more skillfully than I am able ot ride, and they still believe they have a lot to learn. That is a philosophy full of merit. You should understand that. >>Well let's see I could bet a person $50 and a video taped confession >>that i can brake with one brake and they can brake with 2 and i brake >>shorter... but what's in it for me to video tape it for you and beat >>yoru challenge ? :) > >[Dave] Please, proof read before posting. And my challenge, which still stands unanswered from you, is to take it off DC Cycles to those who choose to debate you on this... Why won't you accept? Scared? Insecure? I respectfully decline your request to proofread. My mispelling or mistypings aren't so important or degrading to relaying the ideas of my mind, so I won't waste my time with proof reading. If internet posts were "proof" material then I would. scared and insecure? that is laughable. It's childish. I "challenge' you.. I challenge you to put $50 in my pocket. If you meet my challenge I will meet yours LOL >I reiterate; No opinions will be changed or swayed here today. Let's shelve this until 2nd week of December, at which time the rear brake thread is scheduled ;-) That's when ALL the bench racers can contribute... > >Dave What makes you so sure? You can't possibly know that you've obtained a list of all the lurkers and new joining list members and polled them to find out that no oppinions have changed. Personally I love debate... a person doesn't have to win or loose, or change their mind or not... the beauty is when other people can see it, and decide for themselves. I put forth the notion that it is quite reasonable that someone has learned something about braking because of this thread. If so, it all becomes worthwhile. Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 19:55:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LNt3Si002183; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:55:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LNt36L002178; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:55:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Aki Damme Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:07:59 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020821135848.30520.qmail@server445.gisol.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020821100108.00b4d2a8@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821100108.00b4d2a8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7LNt2Si002166 >Thank you very much...no no really..I'll be here all day...no no..you're >too kind..really LOL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 20:20:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M0KeSi002500; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:20:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7M0KeRF002495; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:20:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Sean Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:33:36 -0400 Message-ID: <7jb8musk8k1scvn6m8bj7jl32t3j4v0ls2@4ax.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020820205022.009f1d30@mail.mac.com> <1ac.7107bc7.2a938775@aol.com> <1ac.7107bc7.2a938775@aol.com> <7t25mugh4c9la0pbjsv1hups2ri5n02d07@4ax.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20020820205022.009f1d30@mail.mac.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20020821111148.009e65d0@mail.mac.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020821111148.009e65d0@mail.mac.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7M0KdSi002483 so Sean you've never hit 100 mph on any highway... you've never gone above 20 mph over the posted speed limit? I assume you have used your brake to go from a speed over 20 mph over the limit and then slowed to some "reasonable speed" and exited the highway via exit ramp, and have used braking to do so. If that's not correct, tell me. what's the fastest you've ever gone on any public roadway? i have a hard time believing you've always "ridden responsibly" on pulbic roads. One more question.. when you ride sportbikes on the public highway.. Do you use your rear brake or do you just use your front brake because it alone will do the job to decrease your speed to a satisfactory level? I'll agree that if a person wants to safely learn the limits of their motorcycle they should get on the track. I will not agree that there are some roadways where you have room to go a high rate of speed, and have to slow down and go through a curve. I will disagree that it's dangerous.. because in some scenarios it's okay. wait.. another question if you were crossing a desert and you could see for miles ahead and around.. would you speed over 20 mph over the speed limit? Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 20:26:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M0QvSi002699; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:26:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7M0QvFd002695; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:26:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Custer, Carl" Cc: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:39:52 -0400 Message-ID: References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BAA6@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BAA6@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7M0QtSi002678 >Motor PsychoL Danny declared, "I never never never use my back brake unless >I'm on grass, gravel or wet ground..." > >Snow, you forgot snow. It's been a while but it'll come back. Snow.. snow.. hmm.. nah snow is too scary... if the streets dry up in the center and the snow is off to the sides, then i'll dawn my electric vest and ride in the winter. > >Contrary to Danny, I declare, When you're on streets and roads, habitually >use both brakes. The funky stuff such as oil, sand, and Eeeew-wazzat! can >really upset your stability if you're only using the front. With thousands >of miles under you tushes and on predictable surfaces -- then you can start >the fancy-smanchy front brake only. I object to that because you should be scanning the road surface to make sure it's free of debri. If you can't see the road, you need to slow down. If you can't see your braking distance, you need to slow down. Otherwise, you should be able to see the surface of where your going, and thus it's fine to use your front brake only. Habbitually use your front brake, so when it comes time to stop NOW, you can stop now most productivly. i highly recommend new sportbike riders practice thier emergency braking... then when they believe they do it well.. practice braking to the point that the rear wheel comes off the ground.. (just always be ready to let the brake go if need be). Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 20:42:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M0g8Si002976; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:42:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7M0g7Z5002971; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:42:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:55:03 -0400 Message-ID: References: <39.2bfe5463.2a953ccb@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <39.2bfe5463.2a953ccb@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7M0g6Si002959 But do you own a sportbike? I believe that answer is no, just as i've stated.. you don't even own one. furthermore I could care less how many "motorcycle" organizations dispell bad information. The context of the conversation was and is about sportbikes. Groups of people are sometimes wrong no mattter how much they want to foster each others misbeliefs. X number of people believe a God exists. X number of people believe God doesn't exist. X number of people believe you should use rear brakes on sportbikes. The amount of people believing anything, doesn't make it true. The amount of "more" people believing anything doesn't make it true. When anyone you know of, from any of those organizations can show me they can stop in shorter distances using both brakes, than I can using only my front brake, I will conceed. Taking the time and attention to try to apply the rear wheel brake safely would increase my stopping distance because i'd be ignoring the full potential and application of my front brake. I put forth that is true for anyone on a sportbike. Danny On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:58:19 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/20/2002 7:10:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > >> rather >> than the guy who doesn't even own one. > >Excuse me? > >A motorcycle has been my primary form of transportation year round for nearly >40 years. > >Then add 8 years as a professional motorcycle mechanic. > >And it is not just me, but EVERY major motorcycle safety organization. > >As for the other stuff, go to the archives, I have already answered. > >John Walters (Long John) >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >Up near DC > >Honda ST1100X Pan European > (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European > is now necessary {and I still like it.}) >BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles >Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 20:44:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M0iUSi003149; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:44:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7M0iTw8003143; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:44:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:57:26 -0400 Message-ID: <2kd8mu8dj1kkj2b2e0aj6r58fb4g8du2cg@4ax.com> References: <34.2c279d1f.2a9544ce@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <34.2c279d1f.2a9544ce@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7M0iSSi003131 On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:32:30 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/21/2002 7:20:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > >> I'll bet >> cash money yoru skid mark wont' be straight. > >SO WHAT? So now isntead of braking straight you're bike is going crooked and you take away your ability to swerve after braking. Actually you increase your chances of getting hurt. You're sliding sideways towards the thing you want to avoid.. you also run the risk of high siding or low siding. that's what. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 20:53:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M0rWSi003345; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:53:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7M0rWop003337; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:53:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:06:28 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1a5.729e325.2a954582@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1a5.729e325.2a954582@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7M0rVSi003325 On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:35:30 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/21/2002 7:32:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > >> Everything I learned from other people, and thus >> pass on what I learned once i verified the validity. > >Ah! Science, that explains it. keyword, verified the validity. What do you think science is? some kind of report coming from people in labs? I don't have to run to a dictionary to know that the very definition of science is knowledge gained through observation. I tested teh hypothesis which i don't neccesarily accept as true... when the test results come back that they were right, i accept it as true. By test results, i mean my own test results. Like going out there and using my front brake to it's maximum. Like counter steering. Since I know these well respected ideas work, and are validated by me personally, I'm willing to pass the information on to newer riders. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 20:59:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M0xfSi003536; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:59:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7M0xe6g003527; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:59:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:00:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2002 00:58:36.0943 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BE729F0:01C24977] Damm, what a good quote. Im going to have to steal it. ;) But you are right! Ive always knew religion was a crock Ricardo The amount of people believing anything, doesn't make it true. The amount of "more" people believing anything doesn't make it true. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 22:19:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M2JWSi004142; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:19:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7M2JVmK004133; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:19:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: somebody has to do it ... Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:09:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c24981$109c9020$3981c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Squeaks continued with - > Danny 'the new Squeakers', flooded the list with: > >>>[Dave] ...until early December. We CAN'T POSSIBLY be right back here again... >>Well you know unexpected things happen at unnexpected times, and we >>must be noble and suffer the slings and arrows.... > >[Dave] A famous instructor I know holds that "the best cover is a steady stream of accurate fire directed at your enemy". I won't be suffering any slings and arrows... A steady stream? how about a double tap and be done with it? [Dave] You have much to learn, young padawan. that's a topic for an off list discussion however (for anyone so concerned, not just the Padawan learner, Danny) ;-) can you turn your word wrap on though? [Dave] Nay, when I post from work - without the benefit of spell check I might add - I'm unable to use anything but a web interface to a POP account. Apologies. >[Dave] HONOR. YOUR HONOR. ... :) I was up all night and then i posted at 8 am.. I thought honor i typed owner. Give me brain freeze liberties or give me death. Also i'm not one to conform the standards of "pretty presentation". If a person is too caught up in presentation to consider the message then that is their loss. [Dave] If you can learn the principle, you must learn how to present it so that others may benefit (with an 'e' ;-) ) >[Dave] Your using my comments out of context doesn't score any points with the list. Said rider misused or abused his rear brake and suffered the consequences. Had he practiced / learned proper technique, there would not have been a problem, only a really cool bench racing story. Actually we dont know if he did learn / practice good brakign technique. He may have? [Dave] Well, yes we do - we know he erred. NO school or instructor teaches a technique to fail. It is pretty much a fact that people panic and this stuff happens. Maybe he was taught to use both his brakes, and was in the habbit of using both his brakes.... and panic set in as a natural instinct... and so the story goes.. he joins the masses. Maybe he wasnt' taught to fight panic? Maybe sometimes panic can't be faught? Maybe that's why some on the list advocate not using the rear brake because it's habit will kick in with panic. [Dave] Fear and panic can be dealt with. So can improper training. Most of the time, people 'stab' the brakes & lock them, if you can teach yourself to resist this urge & smoothly, firmly & aggressively apply the brake(s), you can avoid lockup... more on that later... Spoons and rosie o donnel LOL. And matches don't cause fire. Agreed.. however with proper use of the front brake (on sportbikes), the rear becomes negated. [Dave] No, with improper use, it is negated. Improper use can come from a number of causes all directly connected to a human. Over application of the front brake will loft the rear wheel and negate the rear. There is an advanced riding / driving technique taught in Open track, racing, Auto-X & defensive driving / tactical driving called "threshold braking". That is the application of the brakes - both on a bike - to the point JUST before lockup even on ABS equipped vehicles. In threshold braking, you are stopping at the absolute maximum limits of traction. If both wheels aren't in contact with the ground, you are no longer threshold braking, but rather 'beyond threshold' braking. In a panic situation the front should be used so hard the rear would be negated. Therefor one should only use the front brake so when you preform braking out of habbit in a panic situation, you'll stop "better". [Dave] read up on threshold braking, try it, practice it, practice it some more & report back with results... more later... >Using a trick I've learned as an instructor, I'll relate the known to the unknown for your benefit, Danny. > >Guns don't go off by themselves, period. Same with brakes. Try this one: "Rear brakes don't engage themselves!" Agreed, but some teach that in panic situations, training goes out the window.. [Dave] "Always with you, it cannot be done" - Yoda. I deal with this topic as an instructor, training does not go 'out the window' with panic. Poor training habits lead to panic... and habbit kicks in.. and what happens? peopel who use the rear brake lock up the rear wheel. Wether they crash or not is a bunch of luck I suppose. [Dave] "That, is why you fail" - Yoda No, it is a matter of being prepared, through proper training... but if your rear wheel is sliding around, then evedently you could have used your front brake more. The front brake stops you faster than your rear, so you should use your front. you shoudl use your front out of habbit. You should be familiar with how to use your front to it's maximum. If youre skidding you rear wheel on a sportbike, you need to learn to use your front brake better. [Dave] You need to use both better. For braking practice, ear plugs should be shelved ; in threshold braking, you will hear the tires 'howl' in protest as you stop. You need to know and understand what the tires are telling you. Then repeat with ear plugs if you use them while riding. >[Dave] That's Benefit with an "e"... I mispelled. I'm so embarassed. :) qualifications? I practice what I preach. These ideas are not of my invention, this is not so me new testiment gospel. it's pretty much accepted and standard in teh world of sportbikes. [Dave] There's a head scratcher... Anyway, back to the point. I've called into question, by what qualification you preach to be able to know more than the unwashed masses here about braking. Since it is... an 'accepted standard', you should be able to quote from every publication dealing with motorcycling... Practicing what you preach may win you points for not being a hypocrite, but it in no way qualifies you to pontificate about the correct riding technique for all of us. You may opine, but your assertion that your opinions are factual, shall not go unchallenged. The problem is the non sportbike riders want to preach the aplication of braking techniques of signfigantly different bikes, that don't work with sportbikes. I offered to provide the proof to demonstrate shorter and more controlled braking. I offered that we put the braking thread to a real world test. [Dave] MCN routinely includes braking results in their bike tests, and contrary to popular belief, they're actually pretty close in braking performance. 60 - 0 stops for the Uber sport bikes & decently equipped cruisers are within about 5-10 feet. Just as an R1 is difficult (more so) to launch at the drag strip, it is similarly difficult to threshold brake... BUT, they manage to do both for the bike evaluations... I offered for people to put it to real world tests themselves and learn for themselves. I offer another challenge.. for any sportbike rider who can't use their front brake enough to lift their rear wheel off the ground, to go out and learn to use your front brake to that extent.. come back and post if your braking skills are improved.. that you find that you can slow down quicker than you coudl before. [Dave] Actually, that is probably correct. Probably not for the reason(s) you think, but most people do under use the front bike brakes. >Just because a racer, or a few racers or even a lot of racers do something a particular way, does not mean that practice should be directly applied to the street - and vice versa. Actually if racing is the best example of what you need to do on the street, it shoudl be applied. If you're trying to go from high MPH to scrubbing off speed, in a very short distance, exactly as the racers do, then it might be good to do as they do. Use the front brake only. [Dave] In racing, what are you trying to do ? Get around the track faster than everyone else on the track. In a time trial, what are you trying to do ? Get around the track in the fastest way (least amount of time). There's a difference between the 2. In the former case, in order to keep in front of or get in front of other riders of similar skill and speed, you must often make sacrifices in one aspect of circulating the track in order to achieve your goal. This occurs in many ways - late braking is one example, in which a rider delays brake application before a turn entry in order to have the better 'entry' line into the turn. Often, the consequence is that the line takes the late braker wide and off the 'line' of the curve, allowing the just passed rider to sneak under the passer & retake the lead. This is called 'not being able to make the pass stick'. You will often see riders do this with the rear wheel just barely in contact with the pavement or just above it. When the rear wheel is just barely touching, or losing contact for only brief fractions of a second at a time, that is the absolute fastest that bike / rider combo can be stopped effectively. Any more, and they're losing friction / resistance from the rear tire regardless of whether or not they're using the rear brake. Another trick is to try & stuff another rider off the line or run them wide, denying the competitor the proper line, but also, at the cost of you having the 'proper' line through the turn. Regardless, every deviation from the optimum on the track requires a compromise, and costs valuable time. While you may beat the other competitors, the time it takes you to navigate the track suffers when you make these compromises. So in one respect, the winner of the race has made the most compromises to keep another from winning... This isn't always the case, but the point is that racing requires compromising from the optimum in order to win. In the latter case, you are attempting to navigate the track in the least amount of time possible by using the optimum throttle, brake & position control on your machine. Your goal is to commit as few transgressions from the optimum of the aforementioned categories as possible, so as to minimize the TIME it takes you to get around the track regardless of any other rider(s). On the street, your main goal is to survive. Late braking and stuffing are indeed cool, but are the enemy of safe driving... Overspending your traction budget provides you with immediate negative reinforcement. If your front tire for some reason isn't giving enough stopping power & you are not trained to use the rear brake, you have doomed yourself to failure. If it scares you so much, drill more & bigger holes in the rear rotor, and adjust the pedal so that it's near impossible to lock... It's better than having nothing. Everything I learned from other people, and thus >>pass on what I learned once i verified the validity. I remember >>reading about counter steering and saying "nah who'ver posted that is >>just confused it's impossible"... but that post said "try this" and i >>went out and tried it and low and behold they were right. > >[Dave] And thus, Danny, you have introduced a lack of confidence in your position because you've admitted your sport bike riding has significant room for improvement & learning. We may, and should draw from the above statements that you may one day change your opinion of rear brake usage as well. Whether you do or don't, it shall not make one bit of difference here. Oh contraire mon fraire... [Dave] well, here's what you said -"> I don't pretend to be born with one fathome of an idea on >>sport bike riding." and like an automoton, you went out & did what others told you was right. That is not true. I am 100% confident in what i'm saying. When I said I remember this and that, that was years ago, when I didn't know. now I know. [Dave] 1st you say this Also I do believe I have a lot ot learn about sportbike riding. (not about braking) Then you say "When you thiknk you can't learn any more, you're just convinced yourself it's okay to be ignorant of what you dont' know yet." I respectfully decline your request to proofread. My mispelling or mistypings aren't so important or degrading to relaying the ideas of my mind, so I won't waste my time with proof reading. If internet posts were "proof" material then I would. [Dave] Danny, if you could articulate your argument better, you would be doing better against me. I've left plenty of openings for you to capitalize on, and you've missed them. That is the point I was trying to drive home. You may not want to admit it, but your adult conduct is a direct reflection of your upbringing, and parents... If you have an 'I don't care attitude' about being able to accurately & intelligently articulate your thoughts, we, as mammals will associate you with the 'I don't care' attitude in general. While it may be socially 'wrong' to do that, every mammalian species learns by association. scared and insecure? that is laughable. It's childish. I "challenge' you.. I challenge you to put $50 in my pocket. If you meet my challenge I will meet yours LOL [Dave] By taunting me & diverting with humor, your response is indicative of hiding. Probably, but not certainly, because of insecurity. Not insecurity like 'a scared child', but in that your initial 'bravado' did not quell any opposition to your assertions. I am unmoved & unaffected. You may continue to attempt to out shout me, but your assertion(s) are not fact. No amount of repeating them regardless of 'volume' will change that. Once, I explained to my nephew - "take the beer bottle from my hand." He was unable to wrest control of the sacred brew from my supremely strong, kung fu grip. When I asked "Why have you not taken the bottle from my hand, it's empty and in need of being replaced?" He sheepishly replied "I can... I just choose not to right now". This, is like your 'laughable' response. If you're so supremely confident that yours is the right position, then there is no need to repeat it or refute arguments and facts disproving it, because such argumentative diatribes are... 'laughable'. Afterwards, my nephew came to me and asked "Master Dave, I was unable to take the bottle from your hand, because your kung fu grip is superior. I replied, "my young apprentice, you were unable to take the beer bottle from my hand because you failed to incapacitate me with a weapon." He asked "what weapon". I replied "whatever is within reach"... Needless to say, we won't be playing 'take the beer bottle from my hand again... >I reiterate; No opinions will be changed or swayed here today. Let's shelve this until 2nd week of December, at which time the rear brake thread is scheduled ;-) That's when ALL the bench racers can contribute... > >Dave What makes you so sure? [Dave] Because, Squeaks, I've been subbed here at DCC since some time in the early or mid 90's, and I've weathered DOZENS of rear brake threads, and hundreds of flame fests... I've seen posters come & go, lurkers, bombasts, baiters, racers & real bikers, RUBs, fair weather bikers, all weather bikers, good LM's and bad. Through it all, these threads only serve to polarize and alienate the membership. Many good posters have been lost to these flame fests, who in frustration, unsubbed from DCC. We ought remember that. Let me know if you want to know about that 'steady stream of fire' ... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Aug 21 23:39:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M3d9Si004698; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:39:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7M3d8Ob004683; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:39:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <170.12869400.2a95b6ce@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:38:54 EDT Subject: labor day weekend ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 hi everyone! dont worry --- i didnt unsub due to the rear brake posts. i know you were all probably wondering where i went since ive actually been quiet! are there any rides planned for any of the 3 days for labor day weekend? (one of those days is my birthday in case you forgot!) just trying to plan ahead!! let me know whats going on:) jenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 00:13:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M4DjSi004907; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:13:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7M4Di3g004902; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:13:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:16:58 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Motor PsychoL Danny cc: DC Cycles Subject: TROLL FEEDING Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > You've used your front brake so well that the rear wheel has left the > ground? And at that point how effect was your rear brake? > Since everyone is complaining of a lack of a credible source on just using the front... quoted from Proficient Motorcycling by David L Hough: "When the rear brake is applied on a light sportbike with just a solo rider, it is easy to skid the tire. If you realize that your ligyhtweight sportbike tends to slide the rear tire even with just a slight dab on the pedal, ignore the rear brake and use just the front brake." I have to agree with Danny, when the shit hits the fan, it isn't worth the attention it takes to properly modulate the rear brake. There are lots of other things to keep you busy, keeping the rear wheel from skidding isn't on my priority list right then. I've practiced emergency braking a little bit, I apply very light pressure on the rear (not threshold) and I like to focus on keeping the front wheel spinning and not going over the bars. > Honda and BMW have brake integrated sportbikes? which models? This > thread has been about sportbikes. If integrated brakes are sooo > wonderful, how come they aren't on nicky haydens bikes? Or any race > bike? integrated brakes suck unless you're touring or something. > Didn't the blackbird have linked brakes? The VFRs are sportbikes(while not race replicas, they aren't touring bikes), they have linked brakes. I read about someone, I think it was a Kawasaki racer that has a linked brake setup on his bike. Dan -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 00:39:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M4d9Si005064; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:39:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7M4d98V005056; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:39:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020822002301.009f8ec0@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:48:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: USENET THREADS In-Reply-To: <20020821170805.3672.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821123216.022758b8@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >nope. dc-cycles has become a bicyclists' forum. and if >you don't like it i'll pull my stinking, skid-marked >spandex shorts over your head. People ask me why I bother to flame people on the internet, (even when they're idiots.) It's so we can read the little gems like the one above proffered by the inestimable Mr. Gimer. Just imagining those nasty theoretical shorts being pulled over the heads of various lister brings me constant fits of giggling. Oh, and in other news, today I was a witness to an errant driver running a red light at 55mph+ and creaming a sedan that was directly in front of me. (Myself and another person turning left from rt. 28 north onto Braddock rd.) I used BOTH brakes to avoid the ensuing melee. Didn't lock up the rear either. (Though I have LBS, which changes things....and the CBR1000F's aren't all that nose heavy.) I can't believe that of all the people entering the intersection, only myself and the car beside me on the inside turning lane stopped. The driver of the car that was hit was VERY seriously injured. (Beyond any kind of help I could provide.) It was hard enough just getting someone to stop and call 911. Very sad. Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 01:01:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M51WSi005578; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:01:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7M51WOO005573; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:01:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020822004301.009dcb30@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:10:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride In-Reply-To: <7jb8musk8k1scvn6m8bj7jl32t3j4v0ls2@4ax.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020821111148.009e65d0@mail.mac.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20020820205022.009f1d30@XXXXXX> <1ac.7107bc7.2a938775@XXXXXX> <1ac.7107bc7.2a938775@XXXXXX> <7t25mugh4c9la0pbjsv1hups2ri5n02d07@XXXXXX> <5.1.1.6.0.20020820205022.009f1d30@XXXXXX> <5.1.1.6.0.20020821111148.009e65d0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Danny wrote: >so Sean you've never hit 100 mph on any highway... > >you've never gone above 20 mph over the posted speed limit? Not only do we need to enroll you in a remedial reading program, but perhaps something that covers the English language and contextual usage in modern day American society. If you'll refer to the first sentence, last paragraph of my previous post, you'll find the following line: "I never maintained that street riding never gets spirited or that we never ride over the posted speed limits." Now, if you examine my usage of the pronoun "we", which Merriam Webster defines as "the rest of a group that includes me : you and I : you and I and another or others", it would seem to indicate that I included myself in a group of people that has/does/will ride over the speed limits. Once again, you have completely failed to glean the meaning of my not-so-very-vague words and reloaded your guns with poorly constructed rejoinders which you then attempt to fire into my mouth. *sigh* To any who care, I have seen triple digits on my speedo on public roads, and my last speeding ticket was for 22 over. If you will peruse my prior posts, you will see that I have never suggested or even implied that I have never broken the sacrosanct Laws of Traffic. >I assume you have used your brake to go from a speed over 20 mph over >the limit and then slowed to some "reasonable speed" and exited the >highway via exit ramp, and have used braking to do so. If that's not >correct, tell me. I'm sure I have done that before. But I slow down in a gradual fashion; I don't approach exit ramps in such a way that I have to actively employ the utmost amount of braking force available to successfully navigate the corner. I leave myself additional "room" to brake or corner or perform any necessary emergency actions. >what's the fastest you've ever gone on any public roadway? 130 or so. Honda speedo's are notoriously optimistic. >i have a >hard time believing you've always "ridden responsibly" on pulbic >roads. Why do you quote the words "ridden responibly"? I never used that phrase. In fact, a brief seach reveals that I haven't used the word "responsible", or any of its immediate derivations, in this entire discourse. You're either attempting to put words in my mouth again, or you have no idea how to use quotation marks. In any case, it's rather sad. >One more question.. when you ride sportbikes on the public highway.. >Do you use your rear brake or do you just use your front brake because >it alone will do the job to decrease your speed to a satisfactory >level? I use both brakes. I also have Linked Brakes on my bike, so I have no choice. (Oh, I noticed you lambasting another lister for making comments on this topic while not even owning a sportbike, (even though they might have owned one in the past or ridden one extensively), yet you make comments on Linked Braking systems. Do you own a bike with LBS? Can you explain how LBS works? How droll. Your credibility grows with each passing moment.) >I'll agree that if a person wants to safely learn the limits of their >motorcycle they should get on the track. Excellent, you appear to be learning. There may yet be hope. >I will not agree that >there are some roadways where you have room to go a high rate of >speed, and have to slow down and go through a curve. I will disagree >that it's dangerous.. because in some scenarios it's okay I'm having problems following whatever it is you are trying to say here. My hed hurtz. Neckst sentents. >wait.. another question if you were crossing a desert and you could >see for miles ahead and around.. would you speed over 20 mph over the >speed limit? Why does it have to be the dessert? Why not the plains? Or the badlands? Why in the hell would I be riding in the desert? What the hell kind of question is that anyways? If you must know the answer, I would probably ride as fast as possible, because I would be so freaked out trying to figure out how the f!ck I got into the desert in the first place. Sheesh. Sean Jordan DC-Cycles Racing/Team Jordan Racing From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 05:51:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M9pUSi007524; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:51:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7M9pTP3007516; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:51:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Sean Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: USENET THREADS Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:04:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3md9muofkohamlvqs3qn45iqtqstoj3u3f@4ax.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821123216.022758b8@mail.troutman.org> <20020821170805.3672.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20020822002301.009f8ec0@mail.mac.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020822002301.009f8ec0@mail.mac.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7M9pSSi007499 >help I could provide.) It was hard enough just getting someone to stop and >call 911. Very sad. > >Sean Jordan That is sad. Sometimes people stop.. . sometimes a lot of people stop... sometimes no one does. weird. by the way, you dont' have a cell phone? Your buddy didn't either? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 05:57:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7M9vmSi007705; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:57:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7M9vlxc007696; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:57:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dcsportbikeriders@XXXXXX, dodgecitymobrydaz@XXXXXX, roadrunnaz@XXXXXX Subject: 03 zx6r pic Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:10:48 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7M9vkSi007684 http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_190220/2003+Ninja/2003+Ninja.jpg?bc2gdZ9ACN.dbaar got this from the kawasaki ninja yahoo group. somethings i like, somethings i dont' like. btw i don't preport to pretend that i know for a fact this is exactly the model for 03. someone else made that claim. i just think it looks interesting. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 06:04:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MA4iSi007894; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:04:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MA4ioJ007888; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:04:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dcsportbikeriders@XXXXXX Subject: cool ass looking wheels Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:17:45 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7MA4hSi007876 http://www.rimmaxwheels.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 07:16:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MBGNSi008357; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:16:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MBGMRm008345; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:16:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D64C94A.BCA36767@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:21:46 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: USENET THREADS References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821123216.022758b8@mail.troutman.org> <5.1.1.6.0.20020822002301.009f8ec0@mail.mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean Jordan wrote: > Oh, and in other news, today I was a witness to an errant driver running a > red light at 55mph+ and creaming a sedan that was directly in front of me. > (Myself and another person turning left from rt. 28 north onto Braddock rd.) > > I used BOTH brakes to avoid the ensuing melee. Didn't lock up the rear > either. (Though I have LBS, which changes things....and the CBR1000F's > aren't all that nose heavy.) > > I can't believe that of all the people entering the intersection, only > myself and the car beside me on the inside turning lane stopped. The driver > of the car that was hit was VERY seriously injured. (Beyond any kind of > help I could provide.) It was hard enough just getting someone to stop and > call 911. Very sad. > > Sean Jordan Yes, very sad. I've noticed a steady drift towards a New Yawk City style of chilled disinterest as we become more urbanized. And many folks have a fear of being tagged as a witness. Why? To stop and render aid (dail 911 or whatever) is our civic duty. I blow by harmless fender benders but usually stop for serious crap, and I'm not shy about offering my witnessed account of the mayhem. My witness score is roughly this: Give the law a report of what I saw all the time. About one out of five times I may get a call from an insurance company who wishes to make a recorded statement of what I saw. I have yet to be called to court as a witness. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 08:26:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MCQGSi008813; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:26:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MCQFD4008796; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:26:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 22 Aug 2002 12:26:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20020822122613.24892.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: USENET THREADS X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) Bill commented >Yes, very sad. I've noticed a steady drift towards a New Yawk City style of >chilled disinterest as we become more urbanized. [Dave] Yeah, like there's not enough of New Yawk this & LA that... And many folks have a fear of >being tagged as a witness. Why? [Dave] I think it's more the fear of being tagged as the cause. Of course, being a witness means waiting around for the cops, and then waiting for them to take your statements, which could be hours... Not that I'm saying you shouldn't wait around, really, what's so important ? Work ? BAH! >To stop and render aid (dail 911 or whatever) is our civic duty. I blow by >harmless fender benders but usually stop for serious crap, and I'm not shy about >offering my witnessed account of the mayhem. My witness score is roughly this: >Give the law a report of what I saw all the time. About one out of five times I >may get a call from an insurance company who wishes to make a recorded statement >of what I saw. I have yet to be called to court as a witness. >Bill [Dave] I stopped at a rear ender & offered the front vehicle a business card after asking if they were ok. It was pretty clear who was at fault, but just in case ... I was called for a statement... Curiously, the Insurance type asks me "Did you stop & render aid?" YES HOW DO YOU THINK YOU GOT THIS FREAKIN' PHONE NUMBER? It got better from there I do remember ...'inattentive moron' being used, among other descriptive phrases appropriate to the severity of impact, IMHO... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 08:28:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MCSMSi008844; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:28:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MCSLbH008837; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:28:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822082705.00bcfe90@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:28:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Ye GAD! Fox News is at Patriot HD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm watching the morning news on Fox 5 and Holly Morris is at Patriot HD this morning...she putting on the same helmet I have and is getting ready to mount a Road King in the parking lot after the commerical. groooaaannn... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 08:31:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MCVCSi009023; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:31:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MCVC7H009019; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:31:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BAB4@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Motor PsychoL Danny'" Cc: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:35:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain >Contrary to Danny, I declare, When you're on streets and roads, habitually >use both brakes. The funky stuff such as oil, sand, and Eeeew-wazzat! can >really upset your stability if you're only using the front. With thousands >of miles under your tushes and on predictable surfaces -- then you can start >the fancy-smanchy front brake only. "I object to that because you should be scanning the road surface to make sure it's free of debri. If you can't see the road, you need to slow down. If you can't see your braking distance, you need to slow down." Four snaps and a triple aa-men! I don't think we're opposed, just on slightly different vectors. -- BUT -- it's the street-colored Eeeew-wazzat! that will dump yer butt if you're only using the front brake. So, I feel my earlier statement for newbies bears repeating: "> With thousands >of miles under your tushes and on predictable surfaces -- then you can start >the fancy-smanchy front brake only." Danny: "Habbitually use your front brake, so when it comes time to stop NOW, you can stop now most productivly." Carl: Yes, yes, yes, But on the streets -- where street colored ikky poo is common, add your rear brake too. Danny: "i highly recommend new sportbike riders practice thier emergency braking... then when they believe they do it well.. practice braking to the point that the rear wheel comes off the ground.. (just always be ready to let the brake go if need be)." My Sabre can't get that end up either. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 08:46:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MCkjSi009115; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:46:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MCkjus009109; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:46:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020822124639.33892.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:46:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Ye GAD! Fox News is at Patriot HD To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822082705.00bcfe90@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That woman is the WORST. This Harley Anniversary is making me dislike the brand more and more. No offense to you personally, but the POSER factor is way up right now (Harley-Fest, etc) Mark --- Aki Damme wrote: > > > I'm watching the morning news on Fox 5 and Holly > Morris is > at Patriot HD this morning...she putting on the same > helmet > I have and is getting ready to mount a Road King in > the parking > lot after the commerical. > > groooaaannn... > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 08:54:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MCseSi009544; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:54:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MCsdrX009538; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:54:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822085022.01dc6b78@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:54:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Ye GAD! Fox News is at Patriot HD In-Reply-To: <20020822124639.33892.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822082705.00bcfe90@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:46 AM 8/22/2002 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: >That woman is the WORST. > >This Harley Anniversary is making me dislike the brand >more and more. No offense to you personally, but the >POSER factor is way up right now (Harley-Fest, etc) > >Mark Uh Mark..that would be POSER-Fest. And Patriot on Saturdays is nothing more than a park-and-pose fest. I only go over if I need to pick up something. I might go over there today just to give Lyndon hell. ;-) I got a HOG email about 3-4 days ago mentioning this segment and asked any HOG members to show up. There was NO WAY I was going to be anywhere near Patriot during this. I know some of the guys that showed up, I bet they didn't have any idea they would be asked to ride around in circles in the parking lot. The impression I got was they were just going to show some of the owners bikes and ask a few questions. Earlier in the segment, Lyndon was showing the new Screaming Eagle Road King they have on the floor and Holly kept calling it a Deuce. It's not even 10am and I've got a headache already. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 09:10:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MDA9Si009782; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:10:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MDA9Y7009777; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:10:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <29.2c1b9abd.2a963ca3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:09:55 EDT Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/21/2002 8:53:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > keyword, verified the validity. Opinion is not verification. > What do you think science is? some > kind of report coming from people in labs? Well as a matter of fact, yes. Opinion is meaningless in science, as is individual experience, at best it provides basis for a hypothesis, which must then be tested under _laboratory_ conditions to be valid. And then reported, so others can test it again. Kinda like what MSF did. Nothing like what you claim to have done. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 09:24:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MDOiSi010049; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:24:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MDOids010041; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:24:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822091943.022919c8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:24:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Ye GAD! Fox News is at Patriot HD In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822082705.00bcfe90@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:28 AM 8/22/2002, Aki Damme wrote: >I'm watching the morning news on Fox 5 and Holly Morris is >at Patriot HD this morning... I wrote a bunch of letters and even called the mayor (now Mr. Mason) to help Patriot get established. Neighbors were worried about huge gatherings of open pipe hogs and biker trash. >she putting on the same helmet >I have and is getting ready to mount a Road King in the parking >lot after the commerical. She needs to swing by my office and mount a real road king. http://www.lextvnews.com/morris.jpg >groooaaannn... ...oh yeah.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 09:35:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MDZjSi010262; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:35:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MDZik9010248; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:35:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <195.bde4fac.2a96429d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:35:25 EDT Subject: Re: USENET THREADS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/22/2002 7:16:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > To stop and render aid (dail 911 or whatever) is our civic duty. I blow by > harmless fender benders but usually stop for serious crap, and I'm not shy > about > offering my witnessed account of the mayhem. It does not hurt our reputation with the cops or public when we help out either. Good man! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 09:38:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MDcVSi010481; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:38:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MDcV1G010475; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:38:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020822133828.29027.qmail@web9406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:38:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Jacket: Leather vs. Textile To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Since the rear-brake flame fest is starting to wind dow, I thought I'd go on to another touchy subject, that of Riding Jackets. I'm just getting into riding (took the MSF class, buying a '80 KZ 440 LTD) and am in the process of getting the gear I need. An important part of that gear (to me) is a good jacket. Is there a huge difference in the safety factor of leather vs. textile, and is the armor important? I'd prefer to limit the amount spent, but am willing to pay for protection. I've been looking at what New Enough has, and I like their prices. I'm a big guy (6'-1", 220 lbs), so many of the tight sport jackets may not fit well. I'm also not interested in making a fashion statement, but would like to be seen. I don't need a million pockets, or all weather use (yet). Any advice? Thanks, Brian Ray __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 09:43:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MDhESi010674; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:43:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MDhEMJ010665; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:43:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6c.2125d573.2a96446e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:43:10 EDT Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/21/2002 6:53:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > Not to mention I bought my 2000 zx6r in 2001 with 3k on the clock. I > just hit 30k miles on my bike. How about somewhere between 400 and 500 _thousand_ miles, 200.000mi. on my last bike alone. Just turned 40.000mi on my 99 ST. Over 66.000mi. in three years on my GS850G. Frightfully close to 40 years of year round riding. 8 years as a full time professional motorcycle mechanic. 10 years as a motorcycle riding instructor. (_Including_ Experience Rider Course where I have seen many sportbikes lock the rear brake with no difficulty or problems at all.) > If it were me, I'd listen to the guy who obviously is better and more > experienced with his brakes and knows what he's talking about. We finally agree on something. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 09:43:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MDhRSi010711; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:43:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MDhRnj010706; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:43:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7a.2bc850f6.2a964472@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:43:14 EDT Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/21/2002 8:42:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > But do you own a sportbike? I believe that answer is no, just as i've > stated.. you don't even own one. And that goes to your core error, the mistaken belief that sport bikes are somehow vastly different then any other bike out there. As someone who has and does ride everything from dirt bikes to large bore sport bikes I can tell you that is simply bullshit. I know you want to believe that sport bikes are somehow "special" and that riding them take some sort of special skill and by extension that makes you special. They are not, and by extension... The "you do not own one" argument is endless and pointless. Every time you have been challenged you have added qualifications A Buell is not sporty enough for you, it is not the same displacement as yours, it is not the same brand as yours, it is yellow not blue, it will go on and on and is utterly irrelevant. No one has challenged your claim that riders can raise the rear wheel off of the ground (It is easier to control a rear wheel in the air then sliding? nonsense.) No one has claimed that under ideal circumstances you can stop damn fast with just the front brake. _Under ideal circumstances_ Add a little rain, sand, oil, repair snakes, or any of a thousand variables present in the real world and your argument disintegrates as quickly as your plastic. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 09:46:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MDkHSi011012; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:46:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MDkHUP011008; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:46:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822094511.02264640@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:46:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Troutman Subject: Manassas MC Rider Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed How do you just drift into oncoming traffic and not notice it? http://www.manassasjm.com/frontpage/MGBL5KGC65D.html Aug 22, 2002 Man dies in motorcycle crash BY KEITH WALKER kwalker@XXXXXX A 41-year-old man died in a motorcycle accident Wednesday at about 6:30 p.m. near the intersection of Va. 28 and Fitzwater Drive in Nokesville, said Detective Dennis Mangan, Prince William police spokesman. The man, riding a 2003 Harley-Davidson motorcycle, turned west onto Fitzwater Drive from Va. 28, also known as Nokesville Road, and drifted into oncoming traffic, Mangan said. The motorcyclist sideswiped a 2002 Toyota Sequoia. The victim lived on Vint Hill Road, near the site of the accident, Mangan said. The man died at the scene and police said they have no explanation why he crossed into the opposite travel lane. The driver and passengers in the Toyota were not injured, Mangan said, " ... but they were shaken up real bad." Mangan said he did not know how many people were in the sports utility vehicle. It is not known if they are from the area. Police withheld the name of the victim pending family notification. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 09:57:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MDvRSi011249; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:57:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MDvR1H011242; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:57:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020822135719.63441.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:57:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: 03 zx6r pic To: Motor PsychoL Danny , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Looks interesting, but I'd bet that's their GP1 machine for next year, not the next ZX6R. The componentry is way to nice for a 600 and Supersport race bikes wouldn't be allowed that kind of alteration without homologation. I don't see Kawasaki selling a 600 that would cost upwards of $10k (at least) due to the components. Specifically, look at the front brakes, forks, swingarm and wheels to see what I mean. Nice looking bike anyway. Chris Weaver --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_190220/2003+Ninja/2003+Ninja.jpg?bc2gdZ9ACN.dbaar > > got this from the kawasaki ninja yahoo group. > > somethings i like, somethings i dont' like. > > btw i don't preport to pretend that i know for a > fact this is exactly > the model for 03. someone else made that claim. i > just think it looks > interesting. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 10:02:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7ME2uSi011455; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:02:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7ME2sHQ011436; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:02:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Troutman , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Manassas MC Rider Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:00:39 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822094511.02264640@mail.wheatintl.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822094511.02264640@mail.wheatintl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02082210003922.08244@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 22 August 2002 09:46, Troutman wrote: > How do you just drift into oncoming traffic and not notice it? > > http://www.manassasjm.com/frontpage/MGBL5KGC65D.html > I know where that intersection is. It doesn't say from which direction the guy was coming from. If he's coming from the left (making a right onto Fitzwater), it's possible he over estimated the turn since he sideswiped the SUV. Coming from the other direction would be harder. He had a 2003 which are just now available, it _may_ have been his first [big] bike. Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 10:11:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MEBKSi011641; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:11:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MEBKe7011636; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:11:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [206.11.149.33] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Manassas MC Rider Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:11:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2002 14:11:13.0885 (UTC) FILETIME=[C60CA0D0:01C249E5] Target fixation (?) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: Troutman >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Manassas MC Rider >Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:46:14 -0400 > >How do you just drift into oncoming traffic and not notice it? > >http://www.manassasjm.com/frontpage/MGBL5KGC65D.html > >Aug 22, 2002 >Man dies in motorcycle crash > >BY KEITH WALKER >kwalker@XXXXXX >A 41-year-old man died in a motorcycle accident Wednesday at about 6:30 >p.m. near the intersection of Va. 28 and Fitzwater Drive in Nokesville, >said Detective Dennis Mangan, Prince William police spokesman. > >The man, riding a 2003 Harley-Davidson motorcycle, turned west onto >Fitzwater Drive from Va. 28, also known as Nokesville Road, and drifted >into oncoming traffic, Mangan said. The motorcyclist sideswiped a 2002 >Toyota Sequoia. > >The victim lived on Vint Hill Road, near the site of the accident, Mangan >said. > >The man died at the scene and police said they have no explanation why he >crossed into the opposite travel lane. > >The driver and passengers in the Toyota were not injured, Mangan said, " >... but they were shaken up real bad." > >Mangan said he did not know how many people were in the sports utility >vehicle. It is not known if they are from the area. > >Police withheld the name of the victim pending family notification. > > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 10:13:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MED7Si011803; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:13:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MED7oA011796; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:13:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:13:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200208221013.AA47055522@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Manassas MC Rider X-Mailer: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7MED6Si011784 Failure to know and use counter-steering? Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jeannette Zell" Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:11:13 -0400 >Target fixation (?) > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > >>From: Troutman >>To: dc-cycles >>Subject: Manassas MC Rider >>Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:46:14 -0400 >> >>How do you just drift into oncoming traffic and not notice it? >> >>http://www.manassasjm.com/frontpage/MGBL5KGC65D.html >> >>Aug 22, 2002 >>Man dies in motorcycle crash >> >>BY KEITH WALKER >>kwalker@XXXXXX >>A 41-year-old man died in a motorcycle accident Wednesday at about 6:30 >>p.m. near the intersection of Va. 28 and Fitzwater Drive in Nokesville, >>said Detective Dennis Mangan, Prince William police spokesman. >> >>The man, riding a 2003 Harley-Davidson motorcycle, turned west onto >>Fitzwater Drive from Va. 28, also known as Nokesville Road, and drifted >>into oncoming traffic, Mangan said. The motorcyclist sideswiped a 2002 >>Toyota Sequoia. >> >>The victim lived on Vint Hill Road, near the site of the accident, Mangan >>said. >> >>The man died at the scene and police said they have no explanation why he >>crossed into the opposite travel lane. >> >>The driver and passengers in the Toyota were not injured, Mangan said, " >>... but they were shaken up real bad." >> >>Mangan said he did not know how many people were in the sports utility >>vehicle. It is not known if they are from the area. >> >>Police withheld the name of the victim pending family notification. >> >> >> >>___________________________________________ >> Mike Troutman >> http://www.troutman.org/vfr >> 1997 Honda VFR 750 >> AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ >> NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 10:15:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MEFYSi011971; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:15:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MEFYLB011965; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:15:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "dcccycles" Subject: Summit Point Charity Track Day Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:14:44 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 I would like to say thanks to all of the folks who showed up to ride at Summit Point yesterday. We don't know the numbers yet but I am sure we raised a fair amount of money for Jefferson Elementary. I had a great time riding in the beginner group and I am pleased the performance of our tired "Lizard Queen" FZR 600. I also took one session out on Jay's RC30. I really enjoy riding the RC30 but I am too nervous about crashing that bike to really enjoy myself. Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 10:17:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MEHTSi012133; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:17:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MEHSIT012126; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:17:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [206.11.149.33] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Back in the Saddle (?) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:17:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2002 14:17:19.0324 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FDE31C0:01C249E6] Has anyone else been off their bike for a few months and not felt entirely comfortable when they got back on? As most of you know, I broke my leg back in April and have been off the bike since then. I didn't ride during the winter before that either. I get back on this weekend & do fine on a short jaunt, then last night I took it over my parents' and back and just felt weird on it at night and not entirely comfortable. I mean, it was still fun (of COURSE), but I found myself slowing down for curves that I normally blast through and found myself a bit more cautious in almost everything. That was kind of a letdown, I guess. When I first started riding (and Linda Tanner can attest to this) I was very stiff and I found myself doing that again. :-( Is this normal when you've been off the bike for awhile? I talked to someone else and they said, "I get right back on it and start doing wheelies," which made me feel kinda shitty. I guess I just need to ride a lot to get my old feeling back for the bike(?) Can anyone relate at all? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 10:19:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MEJNSi012175; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:19:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MEJMEp012168; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:19:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020822141920.64466.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:19:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Manassas MC Rider To: Troutman , dc-cycles In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822094511.02264640@mail.wheatintl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Troutman wrote: > How do you just drift into oncoming traffic and not > notice it? 2003 harleys (and new bikes generally) are often ridden by folks without a clue on how to TURN them. -- tg > http://www.manassasjm.com/frontpage/MGBL5KGC65D.html > > Aug 22, 2002 > Man dies in motorcycle crash > > BY KEITH WALKER > kwalker@XXXXXX > A 41-year-old man died in a motorcycle accident Wednesday > at about 6:30 > p.m. near the intersection of Va. 28 and Fitzwater Drive > in Nokesville, > said Detective Dennis Mangan, Prince William police > spokesman. > > The man, riding a 2003 Harley-Davidson motorcycle, turned > west onto > Fitzwater Drive from Va. 28, also known as Nokesville > Road, and drifted > into oncoming traffic, Mangan said. The motorcyclist > sideswiped a 2002 > Toyota Sequoia. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 10:20:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MEK3Si012337; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:20:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MEK2fR012333; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:20:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:18:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Jacket: Leather vs. Textile In-Reply-To: <20020822133828.29027.qmail@web9406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020822071515.Y17730-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Brian Ray wrote: > I'm just getting into riding (took the MSF class, > buying a '80 KZ 440 LTD) and am in the process of > getting the gear I need. An important part of that Congrats. > gear (to me) is a good jacket. Is there a huge > difference in the safety factor of leather vs. > textile, and is the armor important? I'd prefer to > limit the amount spent, but am willing to pay for > protection. I've been looking at what New Enough has, I have 2 full leather 2 piece suits and a textile setup. IMO, the textile is the most versatile (and less expensive). http://www.blueblackbusa.org/touring.jpg I just picked up that JR jacket from New Enough for $119(!) and I bought those pants from them last year. They work very well together, aren't *TOO* hot to wear in the summer and work well for cold weather (jacket not tested, pants are overpants so they go over jeans/work clothes/etc). IMO, you can't beat that combo for price, protection and versatility. That picture above was taken just as I was leaving for a trip to Cranberry, PA. Weather ranged from ~90 deg to 70 deg and pouring rain. The gear worked well in all conditions. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 10:26:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MEQHSi012524; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:26:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MEQGBN012517; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:26:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020822142614.81087.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:26:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Moto Sportswear and Duffel bag To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020822133828.29027.qmail@web9406.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 2 Q's. I live in DC. (1) just put a small sissy back and rack on my bike, and I'd like to get a duffel bag that has a pocket-like strap that fits over the sissy back to hold the duffel bag on the rack when I'm riding. I didn't see any of these at Coleman in FC yesterday. Anyone know a local place where I can get one? (2) I'd like to get a summer jacket that protects me if i go down but isn't ungodly hot. I've seen the Joe Rocket jackets. Do they keep you reasonably cool? Is there a better alternative? I saw some at Coleman, and I may get one there, but is there a place w/ a better selection? thx jib --- Brian Ray wrote: > Since the rear-brake flame fest is starting to wind > dow, I thought I'd go on to another touchy subject, > that of Riding Jackets. > > I'm just getting into riding (took the MSF class, > buying a '80 KZ 440 LTD) and am in the process of > getting the gear I need. An important part of that > gear (to me) is a good jacket. Is there a huge > difference in the safety factor of leather vs. > textile, and is the armor important? I'd prefer to > limit the amount spent, but am willing to pay for > protection. I've been looking at what New Enough > has, > and I like their prices. > > I'm a big guy (6'-1", 220 lbs), so many of the tight > sport jackets may not fit well. I'm also not > interested in making a fashion statement, but would > like to be seen. I don't need a million pockets, or > all weather use (yet). > > Any advice? > > Thanks, > > Brian Ray > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 10:28:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MESUSi012682; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:28:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MESUEO012677; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:28:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Brad Faas" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Jeannette Zell" Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:26:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Back in the Saddle (?) Message-ID: <3D64BC50.19186.583101CB@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Totally normal. I put my knee cap into 3 pieces last winter in a head-on car accident (thankfully was not on the bike, probably would have died). Getting back onto a bike was very weird -- it felt very foreign to me, almost like I had never touched one before. So, I took a road trip down the Blue Ridge Parkway, then some highway, ending up in Daytona for the last half of bike week. Yeah, 300+ miles of twisty roads for 2 days in a row solved my issues. BTW, even when I do (*did*, no street bike anymore) ride regularly, getting onto the track for the first race of a season is very funny feeling to me -- it's a totally different experience. Seems to take me about 2 weekends to work back up to the level I ended the previous season. Any other racers here experience that, or am I just weird? :-) Brad On 22 Aug 2002 at 10:17, Jeannette Zell wrote: > Has anyone else been off their bike for a few months and not felt entirely > comfortable when they got back on? > > As most of you know, I broke my leg back in April and have been off the bike > since then. I didn't ride during the winter before that either. > > I get back on this weekend & do fine on a short jaunt, then last night I > took it over my parents' and back and just felt weird on it at night and not > entirely comfortable. I mean, it was still fun (of COURSE), but I found > myself slowing down for curves that I normally blast through and found > myself a bit more cautious in almost everything. That was kind of a > letdown, I guess. When I first started riding (and Linda Tanner can attest > to this) I was very stiff and I found myself doing that again. :-( > > Is this normal when you've been off the bike for awhile? I talked to someone > else and they said, "I get right back on it and start doing wheelies," which > made me feel kinda shitty. > > I guess I just need to ride a lot to get my old feeling back for the bike(?) > Can anyone relate at all? > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 10:42:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MEgVSi013168; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:42:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MEgA5A013143; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:42:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020822104803.009f6c80@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:51:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: 03 zx6r pic In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Chris Weaver wins the prize! http://www.khi.co.jp/mcycle/msinfo/gp/findex_e.html?machine This is indeed Kawasaki's MotoGP offering for 2003. Eric Bostrom has made it well known that he'd like to ride this bike in the MotoGP series next year. It's still in the middle of Silly Season, and there hasn't been any real updates on who will be riding for what team next year. Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 10:44:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MEiKSi013340; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:44:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MEi0HB013315; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:44:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 22 Aug 2002 14:43:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20020822144359.24633.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Back in the Saddle (?) X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) Jeannette asked - >Has anyone else been off their bike for a few months and not felt entirely >comfortable when they got back on? [Dave] yes. I did something to a ligament (dislocated hip, years ago), and didn't feel quite right on the bike, so I wasn't riding for a few weeks. When I got back on it felt a little foreign... ...I mean, it was still fun (of COURSE), but I found >myself slowing down for curves that I normally blast through and found >myself a bit more cautious in almost everything. ... [Dave] Concentrate on smooth... >else and they said, "I get right back on it and start doing wheelies," which >made me feel kinda shitty. [Dave] Do you believe everything you hear ? >I guess I just need to ride a lot to get my old feeling back for the bike(?) > Can anyone relate at all? [Dave] I found that a few days w/ the challenge of commuting on the bike got me back into the swing of things. Sort of like doing some 'mileage disposal', then more ... spirited... riding. HTH Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 10:56:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MEu1Si013584; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:56:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MEtguX013552; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:55:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D64FCBA.E47FA61@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:01:14 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Manassas MC Rider References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822094511.02264640@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > How do you just drift into oncoming traffic and not notice it? Very easy, actually - failure to LOOK where you wanna go! Running wide in turns is a major cause of M/C accidents. Now if he was going left and looped more'n 90 deg to get squished, that would be tougher to explain. Target fixation freeze? Bill > http://www.manassasjm.com/frontpage/MGBL5KGC65D.html > > Aug 22, 2002 > Man dies in motorcycle crash > > BY KEITH WALKER > kwalker@XXXXXX > A 41-year-old man died in a motorcycle accident Wednesday at about 6:30 > p.m. near the intersection of Va. 28 and Fitzwater Drive in Nokesville, > said Detective Dennis Mangan, Prince William police spokesman. > > The man, riding a 2003 Harley-Davidson motorcycle, turned west onto > Fitzwater Drive from Va. 28, also known as Nokesville Road, and drifted > into oncoming traffic, Mangan said. The motorcyclist sideswiped a 2002 > Toyota Sequoia. > > The victim lived on Vint Hill Road, near the site of the accident, Mangan > said. > > The man died at the scene and police said they have no explanation why he > crossed into the opposite travel lane. > > The driver and passengers in the Toyota were not injured, Mangan said, " > ... but they were shaken up real bad." > > Mangan said he did not know how many people were in the sports utility > vehicle. It is not known if they are from the area. > > Police withheld the name of the victim pending family notification. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 10:56:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MEuMSi013609; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:56:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MEu1We013590; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:56:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: Re: Summit Point Charity Track Day Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:53:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A6419623030C6ABE@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Summit Point Charity Track Day Thread-Index: AcJJ69qELw9L+o+cTWSWp+g8qLLINQ== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7MEu0Si013572 Glad to help, It was a great event....except for my defective Dunlop rear tire. Anyone done a warranty claim with Dunlop? The "Lizard Queen" looked good out there, I think you were lapping faster than Chuck on his FZR :o) (ducking) George Cole 99 R6 >>> Lisa Goddard 08/22/02 10:14AM >>> I would like to say thanks to all of the folks who showed up to ride at Summit Point yesterday. We don't know the numbers yet but I am sure we raised a fair amount of money for Jefferson Elementary. I had a great time riding in the beginner group and I am pleased the performance of our tired "Lizard Queen" FZR 600. I also took one session out on Jay's RC30. I really enjoy riding the RC30 but I am too nervous about crashing that bike to really enjoy myself. Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 11:11:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFBHSi013991; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:11:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MFAuLQ013970; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:10:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D65004D.6996A88A@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:16:29 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette Zell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Back in the Saddle (?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would say perfectly normal. Those that claim they can lay off a bike for months and get right back on at 100% are either extremely well gifted or world class bulls****rs. Not to worry, girl, take it slow and easy and those rusty skills will tune up again. Bill Jeannette Zell wrote: > Has anyone else been off their bike for a few months and not felt entirely > comfortable when they got back on? > > As most of you know, I broke my leg back in April and have been off the bike > since then. I didn't ride during the winter before that either. > > I get back on this weekend & do fine on a short jaunt, then last night I > took it over my parents' and back and just felt weird on it at night and not > entirely comfortable. I mean, it was still fun (of COURSE), but I found > myself slowing down for curves that I normally blast through and found > myself a bit more cautious in almost everything. That was kind of a > letdown, I guess. When I first started riding (and Linda Tanner can attest > to this) I was very stiff and I found myself doing that again. :-( > > Is this normal when you've been off the bike for awhile? I talked to someone > else and they said, "I get right back on it and start doing wheelies," which > made me feel kinda shitty. > > I guess I just need to ride a lot to get my old feeling back for the bike(?) > Can anyone relate at all? > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 11:11:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFBdSi014027; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:11:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MFBJXX014008; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:11:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:10:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Iron Works and helmet shopping Message-ID: <20020822075923.J17730-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII At the advice of another list member, some friends and I cruised down to Iron Works in Gaithersburg last night. They have a cookout behind their shop every Weds night. The crowd was decent, free burgers/dogs and a nice mix of bikes from custom hardtails to sportbikes (ok, 3 sportbikes - me, my friend and some other dude) :-) They said next week the Hooters chippies would be there. Another reason for the trip down there was to visit Battley to try on some helmets. I'm looking for a replacement for my HJC CL-12. Seems like I have a weird shape to my head and can't find a helmet that truly fits my head. I've visited many of the local bike shops and here are my results: Arai - XL Signet GT is tight on my cheeks, otherwise comfy - Astral XL was too loose, L was too tight - Quantum didn't fit well Shoei - RF900 L was too small, XL fit well, a little loose - Venom TZ1 is a strong contender Schuberth - Concept XL fits very well, no Snell rating is a turn off Suomy - can't even fit XXL over my melon HJC - XL fits well, considering an AC-10 KBC - XL was too small I'm going to cruise down to OG Racing sometime soon to check out their selection of Simpson helmets. The Voyager and Bandit lines include some decent motorcycle choices. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 11:26:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFQNSi014379; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:26:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MFQ3TG014360; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:26:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822112356.00b3ca30@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:25:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Manassas MC Rider In-Reply-To: <20020822141920.64466.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822094511.02264640@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:19 AM 8/22/2002 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Troutman wrote: > > How do you just drift into oncoming traffic and not > > notice it? > >2003 harleys (and new bikes generally) are often ridden by >folks without a clue on how to TURN them. Tom, Replace harleys with Sportbikes and TURN with RIDE. Mix mix well and serve over chilled sarcasm. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 11:31:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFVASi014573; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:31:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MFUosW014552; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:30:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822112727.01cbd958@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:30:34 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Moto Sportswear and Duffel bag In-Reply-To: <20020822142614.81087.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020822133828.29027.qmail@web9406.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:26 AM 8/22/2002 -0700, Isaac Blanck wrote: >2 Q's. I live in DC. (1) just put a small sissy back >and rack on my bike, and I'd like to get a duffel bag >that has a pocket-like strap that fits over the sissy >back to hold the duffel bag on the rack when I'm >riding. I didn't see any of these at Coleman in FC >yesterday. Anyone know a local place where I can get >one? Ping Linda Tanner, she's on this list.. Linda? You reading? She made my sissy bar bag and it's *better* than any commerically made one..not only better fit and finish, but it was custom made to MY specs. >(2) I'd like to get a summer jacket that >protects me if i go down but isn't ungodly hot. I've >seen the Joe Rocket jackets. Do they keep you >reasonably cool? Is there a better alternative? I >saw some at Coleman, and I may get one there, but is >there a place w/ a better selection? thx jib check out Draggin Jeans perforated leather jacket, "AirFlow II". I have that one and it's inexpensive, and very comfortable. I did a writeup about a month or so ago. The archives should have it. cheers, -aki >--- Brian Ray wrote: > > Since the rear-brake flame fest is starting to wind > > dow, I thought I'd go on to another touchy subject, > > that of Riding Jackets. > > > > I'm just getting into riding (took the MSF class, > > buying a '80 KZ 440 LTD) and am in the process of > > getting the gear I need. An important part of that > > gear (to me) is a good jacket. Is there a huge > > difference in the safety factor of leather vs. > > textile, and is the armor important? I'd prefer to > > limit the amount spent, but am willing to pay for > > protection. I've been looking at what New Enough > > has, > > and I like their prices. > > > > I'm a big guy (6'-1", 220 lbs), so many of the tight > > sport jackets may not fit well. I'm also not > > interested in making a fashion statement, but would > > like to be seen. I don't need a million pockets, or > > all weather use (yet). > > > > Any advice? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brian Ray > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 11:41:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFfjSi014704; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:41:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MFfjrP014696; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:41:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Chris Weaver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 03 zx6r pic Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:54:49 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020822135719.63441.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020822135719.63441.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7MFfhSi014679 Yep that's what I thought. It clearly looks too expensive and "racey".. swing arm looked like overkill too. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 11:46:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFkSSi014887; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:46:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MFkR1V014873; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:46:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822114451.01cbe8f0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:46:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: 03 zx6r pic In-Reply-To: References: <20020822135719.63441.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> <20020822135719.63441.qmail@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:54 AM 8/22/2002 -0400, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: >Yep that's what I thought. It clearly looks too expensive and >"racey".. swing arm looked like overkill too. No offense but..maybe it just me but one sport bike looks every other sport bike..that one is just green. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 11:46:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFkiSi014918; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:46:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MFkihZ014914; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:46:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: USENET THREADS Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:59:49 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020822122613.24892.qmail@server445.gisol.com> In-Reply-To: <20020822122613.24892.qmail@server445.gisol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7MFkhSi014897 teehee inattentive moron. I once saw a car cut another car off, and the guy went into the curb and damaged his wheel... the guy proceeded to chase him down. I was at the atm at the time, but as soon as it spit my card back out, i hopped on the bike to go see if he caught him, and he did, and i gave the guy my info. I would have thought the insurance company would have called, but i guess the guy just fessed up that he was driving i mproperly. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 11:47:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFlBSi014958; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:47:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MFlBSb014952; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:47:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:50:36 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Isaac Blanck cc: Brian Ray , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Moto Sportswear and Duffel bag In-Reply-To: <20020822142614.81087.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > one? (2) I'd like to get a summer jacket that > protects me if i go down but isn't ungodly hot. I've > seen the Joe Rocket jackets. Do they keep you > reasonably cool? Is there a better alternative? I I've gone down in a JR Phoenix at a pretty good speed. Got a few scratches, very tiny ones. Lots of big bruises though. The jacket still looks great after being washed. No tears, some of the fabric is a little frayed when it contacted the ground. Nothing major. I've also worn the jacket for 13 hours straight where the temp stayed well above 90 for 10 hours. Very comfortable. When I go on group rides, I always see people tear off their jackets as soon as they got off the bike. I leave mine on. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 11:50:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFo9Si015370; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:50:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MFo9lw015364; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:50:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: USENET THREADS Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:03:13 -0400 Message-ID: <3k2amuojdflkqnugt8k1ht6fk1qom5q0kq@4ax.com> References: <195.bde4fac.2a96429d@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <195.bde4fac.2a96429d@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7MFo7Si015352 True.. I even stop for cagers on teh side of the road, at least to offer my cell phone to non sinister looking types. One time I regretted it though, because the lil old lady's son was homosexual and was interested in me. yuck. The even scarier part was that he was bigger than I was. "can I call you?" Luckily his mother was off the phone.... so i could leave. "uh no. I don't get down like that. bye". >It does not hurt our reputation with the cops or public when we help out >either. >Good man! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 11:50:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFoiSi015405; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:50:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MFohev015400; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:50:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020822155041.84634.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:50:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Back in the Saddle (?) To: Jeannette Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i had a tough time getting comfortable in the saddle after an "incident" in 1996.... especially when i found myself in similar circumstances (car(s) on left considering turning across my lane). you'll get over it in due time.... welcome back! --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > Has anyone else been off their bike for a few months and > not felt entirely > comfortable when they got back on? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 11:51:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFp7Si015568; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:51:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MFp6gL015563; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:51:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:50:56 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: rear brake thread again was harpers ferry ride To: tdeboeser@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <3D650860.25DA64E8@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020821143512.72467.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> <3D63D443.2010708@XXXXXX> Tom de wrote: > > BTW - Syth oil sucks, as do harleys, cbr's, gsxr's, duc's, dino oil, > V-Twins, in-line 4's, UNIX, linux, fords, chevy's, BWM, and anything > Microsoft > > The above is a joke. Obviously. You forgot to include chains and sprockets. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 11:54:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFs9Si015738; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:54:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MFs9ES015731; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:54:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Manassas MC Rider Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:07:14 -0400 Message-ID: <413amu03fmci49shkerkfknbofrrh7cufm@4ax.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822094511.02264640@mail.wheatintl.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822094511.02264640@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7MFs8Si015719 Or being afraid to lean beyond a certain point. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 11:55:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MFtoSi015905; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:55:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MFtnAP015894; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:55:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Tom Gimer Cc: Troutman , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Manassas MC Rider Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:08:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822094511.02264640@mail.wheatintl.com> <20020822141920.64466.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020822141920.64466.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7MFtmSi015882 >2003 harleys (and new bikes generally) are often ridden by >folks without a clue on how to TURN them. He may have tried to steer away and countersteered right into it . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 12:04:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MG4kSi016106; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:04:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MG4ksZ016098; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:04:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822120410.01cd7098@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:04:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Ye GAD! Fox News is at Patriot HD In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822091943.022919c8@mail.troutman.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822082705.00bcfe90@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:24 AM 8/22/2002 -0400, Troutman wrote: >At 08:28 AM 8/22/2002, Aki Damme wrote: >>I'm watching the morning news on Fox 5 and Holly Morris is >>at Patriot HD this morning... > >I wrote a bunch of letters and even called the mayor (now Mr. Mason) to >help Patriot get established. Neighbors were worried about huge >gatherings of open pipe hogs and biker trash. > >>she putting on the same helmet >>I have and is getting ready to mount a Road King in the parking >>lot after the commerical. > >She needs to swing by my office and mount a real road king. >http://www.lextvnews.com/morris.jpg > >>groooaaannn... > >...oh yeah.... I prefer Stacey Donaldson...something about her just turns me on. 8-P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 12:12:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MGC3Si016319; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:12:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MGC3t8016314; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:12:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:12:00 -0400 Subject: Re: 03 zx6r pic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: John West To: dc-cycles Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822114451.01cbe8f0@pop.east.cox.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 11:46 AM, Aki Damme wrote: > No offense but..maybe it just me but one sport bike looks every other > sport > bike..that one is just green. Replace Sportbikes with harleys. Mix mix well and serve over chilled sarcasm. ;-) (squared) -john (Your original was so funny I almost fell off my chair...) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 12:16:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MGGWSi016493; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:16:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MGGWQU016488; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:16:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822121524.01d24970@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:16:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: 03 zx6r pic In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822114451.01cbe8f0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:12 PM 8/22/2002 -0400, John West wrote: >On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 11:46 AM, Aki Damme wrote: >>No offense but..maybe it just me but one sport bike looks every other sport >>bike..that one is just green. > >Replace Sportbikes with harleys. Mix mix well and serve over chilled sarcasm. > >;-) (squared) > > >-john > >(Your original was so funny I almost fell off my chair...) heh heh.. I'm just not a sport bike fan so they all look the same to me. Hell, the way cruisers are starting to look, it's starting to take a double or triple take to determine if' it's a Harley or a metric cruiser! -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 12:23:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MGNGSi016723; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:23:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MGNGrs016715; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:23:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:23:06 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Manassas MC Rider To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles Message-id: <3D650FEA.C2AE61D9@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822094511.02264640@mail.wheatintl.com> Troutman wrote: > > The man died at the scene and police said they have no explanation why he > crossed into the opposite travel lane. Is there actually any proof that he crossed into the other lane? Could be that the Sequoia driver and passengers are all trying to cover their butts, that's one big assed SUV. -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 12:25:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MGPgSi016897; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:25:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MGPgo8016891; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:25:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822122521.023a5008@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:25:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Manassas MC Rider In-Reply-To: <3D650FEA.C2AE61D9@comcast.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822094511.02264640@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:23 PM 8/22/2002, Dale Horstman wrote: > > The man died at the scene and police said they have no explanation why he > > crossed into the opposite travel lane. > >Is there actually any proof that he crossed into the other >lane? Could be that the Sequoia driver and passengers are >all trying to cover their butts, that's one big assed SUV. Proof? In a newspaper? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 12:29:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MGT0Si017073; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:29:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MGSxJc017065; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:28:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BABB@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: FRS Radios Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:33:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain I plunked down $60 for a Cobra 950 DX GMRS at Best Buy. Nice little radio. Lotsa features. Checked out getting the required FCC license, figgered it'd be $5-10. No, it's $75!!. But the nice lady said I could license up to 5 radios. Arrgh. No thanks. So, I have a nice Cobra CB on the way and am back in the market for a FRS radio. Tar-jea, Wally Mart, & Galyans had a nice collection but I was looking for GMRS then. Anyway, for your bargain hunters, after sending off the CB order, I got this in reply: SPECIAL SUMMER SALE We recently made a special buy on Kenwood UBZ-GR14MBK FRS walkie-talkie radios. The original retail for these was $59.95 ea. And MSRP is $89.99 now on sale for $24.99 !!! These are metallic blue color radios with FM radio, 38-privacy codes, channel/sub channel and FM scan, 500 mW power, call ring tone and Free Headset. The radios are great for gifts or to use with the family. Click on this link for more information or to buy: www.leeselect.com/shopping/pricelist.asp?prid=469 CNet review http://electronics.cnet.com/electronics/0-7716981-1305-8221985.html?tag=dir- rev Carl in Bethesda (getting wired) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 12:32:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MGWfSi017259; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:32:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MGWfqd017252; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:32:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020822163239.63824.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:32:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Any one have a bunch of money to spend? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1851912181 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 12:42:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MGgTSi017471; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:42:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MGgSWi017464; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:42:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020822164221.91143.qmail@web40201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:42:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: CW International motorcycle show in Chantilly?? To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was cruising around the internet trying to find out when the NY and Philly motorcycle shows were going to be held in the 2002-2003 year. Their regular web page still says "under construction." Through some other search places, I made my way to Motorcycle Events, http://www.MotorcycleEvents.com/cgi-bin/mea/calendar.pl At first I was disappointed because I couldn't find a show in Philadelphia. I figured the show didn't have enough of a turn out the past few yrs, so they cancelled it. Then when looking at other events listed, I saw that they list March 21 as the Cycle World Int'l MC Show in Chantilly VA (I assume the Capitol Expo Center). If this is right, and they aren't thinking of the other show that swung by, but was a disappointment, this is great news!!! Has anyone else heard about this? Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 12:58:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MGwHSi017845; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:58:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MGwH9q017834; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:58:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Custer, Carl" Cc: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: FRS Radios Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:10:26 -0400 Message-ID: References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BABB@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BABB@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7MGwGSi017822 Maybe we're not talking about the same type of radios but walmart I believe had some in the 10-15 dollar range with pretty good features. There was no liscense required. I believe it's that "family radio service" or something. Anyway I picked up a couple. I wanna get a headset for it, muffle the microphone to avoid wind noise, and see if they are compatible with HJC chatterboxes because i heard they use that same frequency. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 13:17:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MHHFSi018099; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:17:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MHHEJJ018093; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:17:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:20:37 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FRS Radios In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've got a set of the walkie-talkie style, how can these be used while riding? Anyone have any headsets they use sucessfully? Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 13:27:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MHRDSi018314; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:27:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MHRDkg018303; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:27:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:27:03 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: OT: cage help To: Glenn Dysart Cc: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3D651EE7.8B76370F@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020821201722.32536.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Not sure what SMG is? On another list, it's known as the Standard Moron Greeting - but I won't go into more details since there might be minors and virgin ears present around here. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 13:28:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MHSpSi018472; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:28:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MHSpqR018467; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:28:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:28:36 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: OT: cage help To: Glenn Dysart Cc: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3D651F44.D2B10C81@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020821200445.43226.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Look at the way people complain about having to shift > all the time... "my leg gets tired of pushing the > clutch", etc. I've heard it 1000 times, I'm sure you > have too. Biggest complaint seems to come from people > who don't know how to "properly" drive a manual in > stop and go traffic. > > Glenn Ok, I'm curious, after driving a stick through a bit of traffic around here in the past, what's the "proper" way? Yes, my leg did get tired. I also had to buy a new clutch plate after a couple of years... Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 13:34:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MHYhSi018655; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:34:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MHYgQN018644; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:34:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020822173440.26158.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:34:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: OT: cage help To: Dale Horstman Cc: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3D651F44.D2B10C81@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Ok, I'm curious, after driving a stick through a > bit of traffic around here in the past, what's the > "proper" way? > It called don't tailgate the guy in front of you and idle in first... In my truck I can pretty much move at a crawl in stop and go traffic, actually moving slower than any auto I've driven (as they do move when in drive with no gas). Sure a few people jump in front of you but does it really make a difference time wise? > Yes, my leg did get tired. I also had to buy a > new clutch plate after a couple of years... > Poor planning. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 13:46:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MHk2Si018748; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:46:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MHk2Dr018741; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:46:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:44:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FRS Radios In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020822104215.U17730-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, dan wrote: > I've got a set of the walkie-talkie style, how can these be used while > riding? Anyone have any headsets they use sucessfully? > > Dan I have a pair of Cobra FRS radios with headsets. I also have the latest HJC Chatterbox. I thought about loaning the radios to friend while riding, they couldn't transmit, but at least they could listen (since I generally lead the group I ride with). Dan - the radios have ear buds and clip on mics with PTT. If you could find a way to mount the mic up in the chinbar, it would probably be as effective as one of the more expensive communications solutions, like the Chatterbox. I paid $50 for my pair of FRS radios and about $9 for the earbud headset. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 13:48:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MHm9Si018913; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:48:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MHm87l018902; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:48:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822134731.01d29728@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:48:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Things That JUST PISS ME RIGHT THE F*** OFF!!!! (Was: OT: cage help) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:34 AM 8/22/2002 -0700, you wrote: --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Ok, I'm curious, after driving a stick through a > bit of traffic around here in the past, what's the > "proper" way? > It called don't tailgate the guy in front of you and idle in first... In my truck I can pretty much move at a crawl in stop and go traffic, actually moving slower than any auto I've driven (as they do move when in drive with no gas). Sure a few people jump in front of you but does it really make a difference time wise? On a related subject...ok..it's not really related but I'm bored with this subject. There's nothing more irritating to me than being behind a cage that crawls at a snails pace to a *stop light*. Then stops FIVE CAR LENGTHS behind the car in front of them then creeps forward, then stops, then creeps forward then stops and so on until the light turns green. So me on my bike has to move forward, stop put my feet down, wait 2 seconds, then move forward another car length and repeat the process for 3 or 4 minutes. Then the idiot doesn't look up from reading his paper and the light turns yellow! EEEYYYYYAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!! Now that REALLY gets on my F***ING nerves!!!! They should all DIE DIE DIE!!! STAB THEM IN THE FUCKING EYE WITH A PITCHFORK!! STAB! STAB! STAB! GOUGE!!!!! YES YES YES!!!! Whew! That's MUCH better! More tea? -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 13:56:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MHu5Si019140; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:56:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MHu4u5019123; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:56:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:55:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Manassas MC Rider To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles Message-id: <3D6525A8.7124C67@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822094511.02264640@mail.wheatintl.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020822122521.023a5008@XXXXXX> Troutman wrote: > > At 12:23 PM 8/22/2002, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > The man died at the scene and police said they have no explanation why he > > > crossed into the opposite travel lane. > > > >Is there actually any proof that he crossed into the other > >lane? Could be that the Sequoia driver and passengers are > >all trying to cover their butts, that's one big assed SUV. > > Proof? In a newspaper? Yeah, I know. What was I thinking? :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 13:56:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MHugSi019163; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:56:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MHug7g019159; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:56:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D652722.326A174C@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:02:10 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Things That JUST PISS ME RIGHT THE F*** OFF!!!! (Was: OT:cage help) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822134731.01d29728@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki Damme wrote: > AThere's nothing more irritating to me than being behind > a cage that crawls at a snails pace to a *stop light*. Then stops FIVE CAR > LENGTHS behind the car in front of them then creeps forward, then stops, > then creeps forward then stops and so on until the light turns green. So me > on my bike has to move forward, stop put my feet down, wait 2 seconds, > then move forward another car length and repeat the process for 3 or 4 minutes. > Then the idiot doesn't look up from reading his paper and the light turns > yellow! > > EEEYYYYYAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!! > > Now that REALLY gets on my F***ING nerves!!!! > > They should all DIE DIE DIE!!! > > STAB THEM IN THE FUCKING EYE WITH A PITCHFORK!! > > STAB! STAB! STAB! GOUGE!!!!! YES YES YES!!!! > > Whew! That's MUCH better! > > More tea? > > -aki Oh dear me, the heat and full moon has affected aki. As for the creeper at lights? That would be me on the scoot, I try to slow way before the traffic and just putter along with feet up. Tis a game, see how many stoplights I can outwait at creeper speed without ever touching a foot down. Tea is good, lots of antioxidents. Have another ... :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 14:00:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MI0eSi019362; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:00:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MI0dBg019353; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:00:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:04:04 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any one have a bunch of money to spend? In-Reply-To: <20020822163239.63824.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Glenn Dysart wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1851912181 > Looks like a great beginner bike. Why start out with a Gixxer? Go all the way! Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 14:06:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MI6SSi019547; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:06:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MI6Su3019539; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:06:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:09:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FRS Radios In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > > Maybe we're not talking about the same type of radios but walmart I > believe had some in the 10-15 dollar range with pretty good features. > There was no liscense required. I believe it's that "family radio > service" or something. Anyway I picked up a couple. I wanna get a > headset for it, muffle the microphone to avoid wind noise, and see if > they are compatible with HJC chatterboxes because i heard they use > that same frequency. All of the FRS and GMRS radios should interoperate pretty well. Muffling the mike may or may not work -- you'd be better off with an actual noise canceling mike. Also, unless the headset is built for use inside a motorcycle helmet, it will be uncomfortable at best. I say this every time this topic comes up... For a system that works and works well, go for the Autocom. I know this is counter to what most people want -- it is expensive, but this is one of those cases where you get what you pay for. They do really work. They include noise canceling mikes, power-the-radio-of-the-bike adapters, can be hooked to music, phones, GPS, etc. See http://www.autocomamerica.com/ Also, if you do plunk down the $75 for the GMRS license (which you really should if you use the GMRS rigs; the FCC doesn't screw around when it comes to handing out fines and such for unlicensed operators) you get not only the stronger radios, but you're allowed to use external antennas, etc. This alone will increase the range considerably. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 14:07:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MI7sSi019704; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:07:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MI7srT019697; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:07:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BABD@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'bdaleray@XXXXXX'" Subject: Seat Upholstery? Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:12:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Brian Ray bashfully reported, "I'm getting a 1980 KZ 440 LTD as a starter bike - . . .seat is ripped. Any recommendations . . . wanted to sit on something other than duct tape..." Sargent 1.800.749.7328 http://www.sargentcycle.com/default2.html Ready fit covers http://www.sargentcycle.com/readyfit.htm KZ 440 (A&D) 1980-84 RF-202 $60 plus ~$5 shipping IIRC. Another $10 for colors other than black. Good service, fine product, easy to apply. Much nicer than the J.P Whitney stuff. If yer cheep or thrrr-ifty, yew can git a yard of upholstery on sale (~6.00), 'n stretch 'n staple it. I have one bike that a PO used some thin vinyl cloth to cover the saddle. Haven't seen another source for that. Duct tape is fine stuff but eventually slips, especially in the heat. So, you have to use extra Armor All on the saddle. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 14:16:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MIGtSi019893; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:16:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MIGt6Y019885; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:16:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [206.11.149.33] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Thanks Everybody! (was Back in the Saddle (?)) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:16:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2002 18:16:48.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[145BF5C0:01C24A08] Thanks everybody for your input. I feel much less stupid now. ;-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 14:32:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MIWmSi020117; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:32:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MIWlMe020110; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:32:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BABF@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'wayne@XXXXXX'" Subject: ride 'the pace' Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:37:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Wayne Edelen wisely essayed, "On the street, while riding in the twisties, I rarely use my brakes. I try to ride 'the pace' and don't find it necessary to brake before the turn." That's one of the most enjoyable ways to ride in the country. I often do the BRP like that (except for scenic & pee stops). 'Tis a good way to practice "smooth" Some claim their best times on the Dragon are sans brakes. The Cherohala and 28 too. Say, what kind of oil and tires should I use on my bike? And how about those helmet laws? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47252-2002Aug21.html Hee hee Barr lost. I heard the folks in Georgia were afraid he was going to change the state's name to Reagan. McKinney too. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 14:33:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MIXwSi020276; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:33:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MIXwQs020268; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:33:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 22 Aug 2002 18:33:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20020822183355.5176.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Things That JUST PISS ME RIGHT THE F*** OFF!!!! (Was: OT: X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Aki proclaimed: >EEEYYYYYAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!! >Now that REALLY gets on my F***ING nerves!!!! >They should all DIE DIE DIE!!! >STAB THEM IN THE FUCKING EYE WITH A PITCHFORK!! >STAB! STAB! STAB! GOUGE!!!!! YES YES YES!!!! >Whew! That's MUCH better! >More tea? [Dave] Uhh... ok... Aki... Put the keyboard down, & step back away from it ... and No more caffeine for you, Mister ;-) Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 14:43:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MIh3Si020481; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:43:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MIh3eh020473; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:43:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 'night Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:40:51 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208221440512C.08244@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ok you guys (and ladies of course), It looks like a nice day so I'm bailing out of here. Keep the wacky threads going, I'm going outside to practice my smiling. Type at 'ya in the morning. Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 14:54:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MIseSi021022; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:54:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MIsd7W020942; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:54:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:53:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 'night In-Reply-To: <0208221440512C.08244@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <20020822115007.I17730-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > Ok you guys (and ladies of course), > > It looks like a nice day so I'm bailing out of here. > > Keep the wacky threads going, I'm going outside to practice my smiling. Enjoy, Carl. Rode out to lunch with a friend (ZX11), we went over to Abbie's on Rockville Pike right near White Flint. Beautiful day out, going to be heading out for more riding in about 1hr :-) Although not like most of you iron-butts, I'm on track for about 1000 miles this week on my Busa. I haven't driven any of my cars since last Saturday. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 16:05:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MK5iSi021969; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:05:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MK5hOI021960; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:05:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Larry Meyer To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: FRS Radios Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:05:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020822200520.IREO1307.lakemtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Chatterbox is a brand of FRS and should be compatible with all other FRS. You're right, FRS is no license. I tried what you're proposing a few years ago - wind noise killed me. Hope you can make it work. I went with Chatterbox. Larry Meyer '97 Bandit 1200 ============================================================ From: Motor PsychoL Danny Date: 2002/08/22 Thu PM 01:10:26 EDT To: "Custer, Carl" CC: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: FRS Radios Maybe we're not talking about the same type of radios but walmart I believe had some in the 10-15 dollar range with pretty good features. There was no liscense required. I believe it's that "family radio service" or something. Anyway I picked up a couple. I wanna get a headset for it, muffle the microphone to avoid wind noise, and see if they are compatible with HJC chatterboxes because i heard they use that same frequency. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 16:13:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MKDOSi022156; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:13:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MKDOTG022147; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:13:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020822201321.90502.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:13:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Jacket: Leather vs. Textile To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020822133828.29027.qmail@web9406.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii don't skimp on protective gear. when this subject comes up, i always HIGHLY recommend vanson leathers. and, they make my cherished avenger jacket in a textile version: http://www.motorsports-network.com/ProdTest/VanJkt.htm http://www.vansonleathers.com it ain't cheap (retail appears to be $375 (in leather: $500)).... but you won't need to replace the thing because it fell apart either --- Brian Ray wrote: > Since the rear-brake flame fest is starting to wind > dow, I thought I'd go on to another touchy subject, > that of Riding Jackets. > > I'm just getting into riding (took the MSF class, > buying a '80 KZ 440 LTD) and am in the process of > getting the gear I need. An important part of that > gear (to me) is a good jacket. Is there a huge > difference in the safety factor of leather vs. > textile, and is the armor important? I'd prefer to > limit the amount spent, but am willing to pay for > protection. I've been looking at what New Enough has, > and I like their prices. > > I'm a big guy (6'-1", 220 lbs), so many of the tight > sport jackets may not fit well. I'm also not > interested in making a fashion statement, but would > like to be seen. I don't need a million pockets, or > all weather use (yet). > > Any advice? > > Thanks, > > Brian Ray __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 16:26:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MKQ0Si022397; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:26:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MKQ0lG022390; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:26:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/21/02 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:25:31 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 28 2002) Message-Id: <20020822202531.FSGX23721.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> >>>front brake usage, and the rear wheel fishtails with >rear brake usage. >>> >>Fishtails only when used incorrectly. > >So you and I can go out and do a braking exercise and >you can leave a >long straight rear wheel skid mark for me? I dont >think so. What he is saying is that when used properly, the rear brake DOES NOT LOCK UP, and therefore does not fishtail. When used most effectively, the rear brake adds additional stopping power, you can't argue with Newton here. Naturally, since everyone is most familiar with riding a cage, the normal panic reaction is to slam your foot down, which with a motorcycle is wrong. If you were to explicitly practice proper two-brake usage and (in a controlled environment) proper two-brake emergency braking, you would be able to use the rear brake without locking it up, no matter what kind of bike you ride. -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star >Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 16:27:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MKRNSi022560; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:27:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MKRMY4022550; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:27:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:30:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Jacket: Leather vs. Textile In-Reply-To: <20020822201321.90502.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > don't skimp on protective gear. > > when this subject comes up, i always HIGHLY recommend > vanson leathers. > > and, they make my cherished avenger jacket in a textile > version: > > http://www.motorsports-network.com/ProdTest/VanJkt.htm > > http://www.vansonleathers.com Here's a "ME TOO" -- I love my Vanson gear. Haven't pavement tested it, but have heard plenty of stories from folks who have, and they appreciate the construction. One of the features I'm big on -- Vanson makes some of their stuff with 3M reflective tape sewn into the seams. Makes a huge difference at night. I have one of their "Night Challengers" and wouldn't trade it for anything... other than maybe another one. :-) Motorcyycle leather exchange often has vanson stuff, FWIW. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 17:28:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MLS6Si023103; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:28:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MLS5nk023095; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:28:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020822212803.50878.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:28:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: 400cc vs 250 Two-stroke questions To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been off list for a while and now find myself in Santiago, Chile where there is an abundance of Japanese 400cc and 250cc sport bikes. Since I sold my old Hurricane 600 before coming down here I have some available cash and am looking to buy a bike. The question, though, is which one? I'm looking for daily transporation here in Chile, maybe a couple of longer trips to the southern mountains, and then to bring the bike back to the US for use as a track day machine. Of the 400cc, I'm interested in the VFR400 (NC-30 and NC-24) the CBR 400, the ZXR 400 and the FZR400R. How much are these bikes worth in the US? For quality I'm probably best off with Honda, no? For the 250cc, the NSR250 and RGV 250 attract my attention. These bikes are much cheaper here than the 400cc 4 strokes, although I would think that the performance would be similiar. How are 2-strokes as street bikes? How much would a 1992 RGV 250 in good condition be worth in the US if I were to go through the hassle of bringing one back? Lots of questions, any answers or advice would be greatly appreciated. Spring is just around the corner down here and my bike fever is getting pretty bad. Thanks a lot, Adam Reinhardt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 17:43:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MLhoSi023431; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:43:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MLhoiK023424; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:43:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020822154739.9586.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:47:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Manassas MC Rider To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822112356.00b3ca30@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Aki Damme wrote: > At 07:19 AM 8/22/2002 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >--- Troutman wrote: > > > How do you just drift into oncoming traffic and not > > > notice it? > > > >2003 harleys (and new bikes generally) are often ridden > >by folks without a clue on how to TURN them. > > > Tom, > > Replace harleys with Sportbikes and TURN with RIDE. Mix > mix well and serve over chilled sarcasm. > > ;-) i prefer bourbon whiskey. imo, harleys are more difficult to turn than sportbikes.... but i definitely agree with your point. however, everybody was once a newbie.... the ones that are still living likely waited a little while before heading out into traffic. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 18:03:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MM3fSi023838; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:03:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MM3ere023833; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:03:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822180230.01da3aa8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:03:33 -0400 To: c-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Manassas MC Rider In-Reply-To: <20020822154739.9586.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822112356.00b3ca30@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:47 AM 8/22/2002 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Aki Damme wrote: > > At 07:19 AM 8/22/2002 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > > >--- Troutman wrote: > > > > How do you just drift into oncoming traffic and not > > > > notice it? > > > > > >2003 harleys (and new bikes generally) are often ridden > > >by folks without a clue on how to TURN them. > > > > > > Tom, > > > > Replace harleys with Sportbikes and TURN with RIDE. Mix > > mix well and serve over chilled sarcasm. > > > > ;-) > >i prefer bourbon whiskey. > >imo, harleys are more difficult to turn than sportbikes.... >but i definitely agree with your point. > >however, everybody was once a newbie.... the ones that are >still living likely waited a little while before heading >out into traffic. ...I thought I read somewhere that sport bikes actually have a very limited turning radius. In other words, they aren't very good at taking sharp turns. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 19:16:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MNGtSi024947; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:16:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MNGsAN024938; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:16:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D657132.4060500@atlantech.net> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:18:10 -0400 From: Jim Shoemaker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: FRS Radios References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666BABB@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Custer, Carl wrote: >Checked out getting the required FCC license, figgered it'd be $5-10. >No, it's $75!!. But the nice lady said I could license up to 5 radios. >Arrgh. No thanks. > > > Actually, a GMRS license is $75 for 5 years and there's no limit to the number of radios. Also everyone in your immediate familiy as defined here: http://www.provide.net/~prsg/part95ae.htm#95.179 can operate on your license. If you want to talk with someone more than 1/2 mile away, you'll need a GMRS radio except in the most flat and barren terrain. 0.5 watts is the maximum power for a FRS radio. GMRS radios can run 50 watts (5 watts on FRS channels). Handhelds usually run at 2-4 watts. GMRS & FRS share 7 channels, so interoperability isn't a problem. One major advantage to using GMRS is that you can get access to repeaters in the area which increases your range to about 25 miles. You have to get a "real" GMRS radio though. Not one of the "Bubble Pack" radios at Wal-Mart. This site will tell you more than you want to know about these 2 services: http://www.gmrsweb.com/gmrsfaqa.html As Dan mentioned in another post, Autocom is really the way to. It's expensive, but you get what you pay for: intelligible communications at up to 120 mph. My setup ran me about $400 for the no-frills model. I have 2 high quality speakers, noise cancelling mike and a handlebar mounted Push-to-talk switch. I'm using an Icom F21GM 4 watt GMRS radio. The Kenwood Freetalk XL GMRS radio on Autocom's site is an excellent radio as well. Just don't buy it from them. You can get it much cheaper from many e-tailers. --Jim From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 19:29:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MNTVSi025379; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:29:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MNTVmZ025371; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:29:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000901c24a33$4bab4be0$ca412c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Self Storage Advice Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:26:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I think I've calculated either a 10x10 or 10X15 storage need. Bike(s) will not be stored. Anybody here have any experience with self storage? The prices around here are a bit high, so I would entertain up to 100 mile radius. Any helpful leads are most appreciated. Todd (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 19:40:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MNeNSi025830; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:40:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MNeNPw025822; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:40:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020822234018.95666.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:40:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Manassas MC Rider To: Aki Damme , c-cycles In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822180230.01da3aa8@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Aki Damme wrote: > ...I thought I read somewhere that sport bikes actually > have a very > limited turning radius. In other words, they aren't very > good at taking > sharp turns. true. but in terms of the amount of steering input required to turn the bike at higher speed, the sportbike wins. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 20:04:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N04MSi026342; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:04:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7N04MrK026334; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:04:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D657D54.7647695C@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:09:56 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Virus Alert! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, Ladies & Gentlemen, but earlier today I opened a text file related to our Virginia Riders Training Program and apparently a virus known a W32Sircam.worm rode in on the file. It doesn't affect newer Windoze progroms, but does affect Win 98. I believe during the hour it was in my machine, easy to debug, it rode out using my mailbox. Beware, do not open "BRC End of Class Coach Group Self Assessment 1" the fix: http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sircam.worm@XXXXXX My box has been cleaned. Bill "buggy" Huson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 20:05:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N05ZSi026626; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:05:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7N05Ydf026617; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:05:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:04:43 -0400 Subject: Manassas rider down From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hard to tell the cause, but one the second day MSF exercises is turn from a stop because this type crash has been found to be fairly common with untrained riders. Either the guy never took the course or didn't remember the the technique. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 20:11:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N0BZSi026826; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:11:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7N0BZGn026814; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:11:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004a01c24a39$427a5560$0101a8c0@ELNcplvfr> From: "Travis" To: Subject: Traffic ticket question Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:08:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Does anyone know the penalty for bypassing a toll (Dulles toll road)? A friend got a ticket for that in place of speeding, which would have cost him his license. Thanks Travis '01 SV650S '95 RC36 '91 GS500E '85 VF500F http://www.angelfire.com/extreme3/svbadguy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 20:19:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N0J7Si027129; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:19:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7N0J77t027117; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:19:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006301c24a39$d8379db0$31682c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Adam Reinhardt" , References: <20020822212803.50878.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 400cc vs 250 Two-stroke questions Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:13:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Adam, sounds like a bike smorgasbord down there. As far as the baby VFRs go, the value of these little gray-market critters was a discussion topic recently on the VFR list. A quick check of the archives will show you what they typically go for in good clean condition. http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~lists/archive/vfr/maillist.html Heck, I may even buy it from you! ;) I'd also be interested to know what sort of hassles you encounter bringing the bike back and getting it titled in the states. Hope that helps, Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Reinhardt" > > Of the 400cc, I'm interested in the VFR400 (NC-30 and > NC-24) the CBR 400, the ZXR 400 and the FZR400R. How > much are these bikes worth in the US? For quality I'm > probably best off with Honda, no? > ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 22:29:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N2TDSi028125; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:29:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7N2TDTn028115; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:29:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020823022910.80885.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:29:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Traffic ticket question To: Travis , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <004a01c24a39$427a5560$0101a8c0@ELNcplvfr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii IIRC, it is a $100 fine or something, fairly trivial. Todd --- Travis wrote: > Does anyone know the penalty for bypassing a toll > (Dulles toll road)? A > friend got a ticket for that in place of speeding, > which would have cost him > his license. > > Thanks > > Travis '01 SV650S '95 RC36 '91 GS500E '85 VF500F > http://www.angelfire.com/extreme3/svbadguy > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 23:09:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N39vSi028558; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:09:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7N39vRt028553; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:09:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.49.179.96] From: "Tim Spong" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Horrible experience at Patriot Harley Davidson! Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:08:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 03:08:50.0711 (UTC) FILETIME=[67AF4A70:01C24A52] I just had to write this to vent my anger. As I posted a couple of days ago, my Harley got "keyed" and the tank was ruined. I contacted Harley Davidson and my insurance company and it turns out that Harley doesn)B’t do "re-sprays", as a new tank would be cheaper. I contacted Patriot HD and asked them (very politely) to fax me a price quote for a new tank. The parts guy told me it would cost me $60. I asked him why, and he told me that insurance estimates cost $60. I told him that I just wanted a quote for a new tank and I didn't need a mechanic or anything to look at the bike. He then replied "Am I just supposed to do it for free ?" in a very nonchalant manner. I just said goodbye and put the phone down. I will never "darken the doors" of that establishment again. That person typifies all the capitalist negativity that currently consumes the name of Harley Davidson. I then called Whitts HD and they were more than happy to fax over the quote (no mention of any cost) and almost restored my faith in HD customer service. Less than 2 minutes later I had the quote in my hand. Thank you Whitts! I just can't believe Patriot! You would think they could forget the almighty dollar once in a while, and be a little compassionate. Especially after a guy gets his Harley vandalized and is obviously upset. Sorry for the vent Tim Spong _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 23:20:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N3K3Si028771; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:20:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7N3K3Qu028763; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:20:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.49.179.96] From: "Tim Spong" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: cooool! Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:18:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 03:18:56.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0A6AB80:01C24A53] http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1851912181 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 23:31:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N3V7Si029081; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:31:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7N3V7c0029072; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:31:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: cooool! Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:31:30 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 03:30:02.0201 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D8D4490:01C24A55] COoool!!! Out of my price range thou. :( From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Aug 22 23:51:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7N3pnSi029538; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:51:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7N3pnNt029531; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:51:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Aki Damme \(E-mail\)" , "Brian V. \(E-mail\)" , "Carlos A. Cerra \(E-mail\)" , "Cedric Bernescut \(E-mail\)" , "Jeff Steele \(E-mail\)" , "Joe Lazarsky \(E-mail\)" , "Jon Strang \(E-mail\)" , "Lisa Goddard \(E-mail\)" , "Paul Wilson \(E-mail\)" Subject: mt rainer and highway patrol Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:00:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c24a62$046c44d0$4f82fea9@ticostat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Today was a day off, tomorrow too, some much-deserved free time! I spent today on a rented Honda Magna, mainly because I wanted something really close to my Virago. I didn't want to have to learn yet another bike and its quirks! The highways in and around Seattle are something else... for some unknown reason, everyone on the road slams on the brakes when approaching a merge. Doesn't matter if they are in the jumping-on lane or the main roadway. Out here, you can create a traffic jam when there's only 3 cars on the road! The rental place is owned by a really nice couple, Brenda and RT Potts. They rent all kinds of bikes, Harleys of course, but also: Honda Shadow, 3 or 4 different BMW's, 2 Truimphs, many Goldwings, etc. I got on the Magna at about 8 this morning. I was pretty annoyed with myself; I hand't packed a heavy riding jacket, and my attempts to buy one over the last few days didn't go well; everything I liked was $600, and seeing as how I have 4 leather jackets at home (i think it's 4!) I just couldn't part with that. Plus, getting anything else into my garment bag just ain't gonna happen. So I went to WalMart for a sweater (I'd had the foresight to pack 2 pairs of longies) and I layered, layered, layered today. Both pairs of longies, top and bottom; jeans; long-sleeved shirt from home; t-shirt; sweater; Joe Rocket jacket and gloves on top. I was headed for Mt. Ranier and I *knew* it'd be cold! My route, in case anyone wants to see it (I'll put pictures on my web site once I get a chance to edit the pics) Highway 202 to I-90, then I-90 to Highway 18 East. 18 is a really fun road; two lanes in each direction for the most part, and long, sweeping hills. The elevation is not too bad, with the highest point being Tiger Summit at (I believe) 1800 ft. I kept it at about the speed limit---70--- even though I could have gone a bit faster. Not really knowing the road is only part of it, since out here I've seen my share of curves that start out tame and end up scary-tight (at least scary for 70!). Cresting hills, though, you're likely to come up behind a motor home or logging truck that's doing 30, and I kept that in mind. One hill in particular is a little spooky because it's extremely steep and long. For the first second you almost feel vertigo, which is made worse by the Truck Grade Warning Sign. I'm not sure how the whole grade thing works--- I know it has to do with the steepness of the climb or descent, and helps truckers pick the right gear, and the higher the number, the steeper it is. If I remember correctly, this was an 11, and the next-highest I saw was a 7 1/2... >From Highway 18 I took Highway 169, North (I believe) for about 10 miles. This road is lower speed because it goes through a lot of logging areas and trucks are always entering the highway. Nothing remarkable about it save the fact that, even out here in the boonies, there is an espresso stand at every intersection. I had to stop at the one painted like a cow, with udders made out of the mailbox. A mocha and a muffin and back on the road. Next was State Road 410 which I spent most of my time on. It skirts through all the Washington State Parks (or at least all the ones in the Cascade Mountains) and has some really amazing scenery. It's one lane in each direction, for the most part, and the first 50 miles or so are a real treat; speed limit 55 but safe (no cops, no hazards) to go a bit faster; a steady gentle incline, and fresh, smooth pavement. There are a number of nice turns and curves to navigate through, all well-marked. They seem to have more codes or arrow-types for their signs than we do in the DC area because the signs are a much truer, clearer representation of what is ahead. No scary surprises. There's trees on either side, and these are some pretty big trees! I can't say for sure but I'd bet some of them are more than 200 feet tall. Maybe even more. Below the trees on the up-hill side you can see the layers of rock where the road has been cut; as you travel further towards the mountain, you can see tiny streams running out from the rock. Not even enough to wet the road, just a trickle. The temperature starts to drop noticably and around now I am bitching at myself for not buying the leather coat I'd wanted. Or gotten a bike with a throttle-lock; I spend as much time with my left hand on the engine as I can, but my right is feeling left out. Traffic is pretty light up here, mostly tourists (like me!) pulling over at the overlooks to take pictures, a couple of motorhomes, and evil logging trucks. These last suck truly! If you are behind them, they spit bits of tree at you. They also change speed really radically so it's a little bit of a task to pick your safe distance. If they're behind you, well, let's just hope you're not going downhill, or your teeth won't be the only part that's clenched shut! And if you're travelling in the opposite direction, they pummel you with so much wind that you feel like you're going to tip over. But if you pay attention you might see a goat! Or several deer, raccoons, foxes (I think that's what they were) and all kinds of animals. Unfortunately a lot of these are sacrificed to the logging trucks as there's roadkill just everywhere. 410 will eventually climb into State Park land, first in the Snoqualmie Reserve, which is just beautiful. The road rolls around a long series of sweeping curves, very gently. There's a good shoulder for pulling off and not getting hit if you want to take some pictures. I'd recommend the curve right over the White River. Here the river is about 12 feet from the road, and simply stunning. And it really is white, with all the cold and pressure foaming it up. But clean. Not like the East Coast--- there's none of that "river smell" I'm used to, only clean and cold. Eventually made it into Mt. Ranier Forest. Sad to say, as soon as you cross into that park, the road deteriorates, making 55 unrealistic. It's not too twisty or anything--- not yet!--- but the surface is mangled and choppy. I couldn't figure out why they'd let the one road to the major tourist attraction become so beat down; the only thing I can think of is they are trying to force you to keep your speed down. The road climbs rapidly and the turns are becoming sharper, still nothing scary but the shoulder is getting smaller, then all gone all together. I start to see more bikes (no one out here does anything like a bike-wave so I think they all suck) and less logging trucks, and that's just fine with me. Almost to the top I have my only scary moment. Coming around a moderately sharp curve, the trees fall away and I am treated to an amazing view of the Cascade Mountains. It's really like nothing I have ever seen before and it makes freezing my butt off worth it (there's just a wee bit of ground fog that hasn't burned off yet, that's how cold it is). I'm watching the curve mostly but have to sneak a peek at the mountains... which is when I realize there is no shoulder, one majorly long drop off, and a whole bunch of stuff down there I'd love to look at! It's total vertigo--- verti-go-the-hell-over-the-edge! Talk about target fixation! And I can hear myself yelling at myself that if I look at it I'm gonna end up in it... The next two or three miles are totally like that!!! About the time I realize I can't take it any more, I also realize I'm on a downhill grade again, headed back down the mountain. The down slope is curvier and more challenging than the way up, still nothing too stressing, and makes for a lovely relax after my desire to imitate a deer in the headlights! Plus I got to ride Highway 18 again, this time with the sun all the way up, and I even had to stop and remove one of my million layers of clothes. All in all I put about 400 miles on that Magna, well worth the rental fee and then some, for one of the most stunning rides I've been on in a long time. Mandatory cop content: The rear-brake thing is something we worked on a lot yesterday. I finally got it so I can use the rear brake properly at up to about 45 in a sudden stop, higher speeds in a gentle stop. The way they explained it to us: because it does help you stop, you want to use it, but because stopping puts your weight off of the rear wheel, you only want to use the rear brake for less than a second. Just give it a firm press and release. Don't jam on it, ever, just press and let go. At the same time, the pressure on the front brake should increase. Not only will this keep the back from locking, it will keep the front from locking. Plus you will stop sooner than using front brake only. If a dog ever looks like it wants to chase you (because dogs love chasing motorcycles) the best thing to do is slow all the way down. Don't stop or you might get bit or jumped on. You should be able to get the dog's attention. Ride up to him real slow, and as soon as you are even with the dog, punch the throttle. You're faster than him and if he chases you it won't be for far. So no riders or doggies get hurt! It's hard to go around a dog because they get so wound up that they are likely to run into you. Just like a deer, there's no telling which direction the dog will bounce in. cheers, patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 06:10:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NAADSi032118; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:10:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NAA8L7032099; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:10:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Tim Spong" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Horrible experience at Patriot Harley Davidson! Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:07:35 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0208230607352D.08244@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Vent it over at http://www.hawgeye.com/sd_VA.htm It's Hawgeye's Stealers or Dealers pages. There are 10 reviews for Patriot (CS 08/02 at the end is mine). There's one comment from someone who had a service problem and that was last year. The majority of them are sales related though. Recently he was advised that dealers have been getting their HOG members to post good reviews. You'll see little Hawgeye notes indicating the dealer was discovered. Carl On Thursday 22 August 2002 23:08, Tim Spong wrote: > I just had to write this to vent my anger. As I posted a couple of days > ago, my Harley got "keyed" and the tank was ruined. I contacted Harley > Davidson and my insurance company and it turns out that Harley doesn)B’t do > "re-sprays", as a new tank would be cheaper. > > I contacted Patriot HD and asked them (very politely) to fax me a price > quote for a new tank. The parts guy told me it would cost me $60. I asked > him why, and he told me that insurance estimates cost $60. I told him that > I just wanted a quote for a new tank and I didn't need a mechanic or > anything to look at the bike. He then replied "Am I just supposed to do it > for free ?" in a very nonchalant manner. > > I just said goodbye and put the phone down. I will never "darken the > doors" of that establishment again. That person typifies all the > capitalist negativity that currently consumes the name of Harley Davidson. > I then called Whitts HD and they were more than happy to fax over the quote > (no mention of any cost) and almost restored my faith in HD customer > service. Less than 2 minutes later I had the quote in my hand. > > Thank you Whitts! > > I just can't believe Patriot! You would think they could forget the > almighty dollar once in a while, and be a little compassionate. Especially > after a guy gets his Harley vandalized and is obviously upset. > > Sorry for the vent > > Tim Spong > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 06:55:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NAtnSi032478; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:55:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NAtnB5032473; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:55:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D6615FC.A0A19E92@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:01:16 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Spong CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Horrible experience at Patriot Harley Davidson! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes, H-D doesn't paint on site. When my bike was crunched the time estimate for the factory to provide a new front fender painted in *officail* `93 FLHS scheme (black with a pair of pin stripes) was THREE MONTHS! I had them get a fender in prime, took it home and painted it meself. Time - three days. I am shocked over the Patriot Harley $60 estimate charge. Estimate? It's ONE PART! Whitt's did my bike's reconstruction from a crunch. A no painer, the fix that is. I should visit Whitts more often when I need piecey-parts. Bill Tim Spong wrote: > I just had to write this to vent my anger. As I posted a couple of days > ago, my Harley got "keyed" and the tank was ruined. I contacted Harley > Davidson and my insurance company and it turns out that Harley doesn)B’t do > "re-sprays", as a new tank would be cheaper. > > I contacted Patriot HD and asked them (very politely) to fax me a price > quote for a new tank. The parts guy told me it would cost me $60. I asked > him why, and he told me that insurance estimates cost $60. I told him that > I just wanted a quote for a new tank and I didn't need a mechanic or > anything to look at the bike. He then replied "Am I just supposed to do it > for free ?" in a very nonchalant manner. > > I just said goodbye and put the phone down. I will never "darken the doors" > of that establishment again. That person typifies all the capitalist > negativity that currently consumes the name of Harley Davidson. I then > called Whitts HD and they were more than happy to fax over the quote (no > mention of any cost) and almost restored my faith in HD customer service. > Less than 2 minutes later I had the quote in my hand. > > Thank you Whitts! > > I just can't believe Patriot! You would think they could forget the > almighty dollar once in a while, and be a little compassionate. Especially > after a guy gets his Harley vandalized and is obviously upset. > > Sorry for the vent > > Tim Spong > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 07:29:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NBTKSi000327; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:29:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NBTJ9r000313; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:29:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <168.129b0aad.2a977683@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:29:07 EDT Subject: Re: Back in the Saddle (?) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/22/2002 10:18:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gingerdc9@XXXXXX writes: > Has anyone else been off their bike for a few months and not felt entirely > comfortable when they got back on? This is _absolutely_ normal. I can feel the difference after only a week. Take your time to get back into the swing of things, pushing yourself will only get you into trouble. Have fun. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 07:34:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NBYFSi000479; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:34:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NBYFXC000475; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:34:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbDF0JgnjwLLEUVx1lp1J+qd67r+5ye3c01yGNYMOa7JSvUtQ07MfuUL76mVcQNMnk= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: more familiar with cage? Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:34:12 -0400 Message-ID: <006101c24a99$019a0d00$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal ------------purdyjeremy@XXXXXX wrote: > Naturally, since everyone is most familiar with riding a > cage, the normal panic reaction is to slam your foot > down, which with a motorcycle is wrong. Uhhhh, no, purdyjeremy. I started riding when I was 7, on a 1972? Yamaha 80. Four gears, clutch...basically a scaled down DT-1 without lights. I rode pretty much every day throughout my childhood...hop on the dirtbike after school and hit the desert until sundown. I learned to drive a car 9 years (and 3 or 4 bikes) later and had to re-learn to use clutch/brakes all in the wrong location. I'll bet some dc-cyclists, like perhaps the PenguinBiker, have so much seat time that driving a car is totally unfamiliar. --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 07:46:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NBkYSi000669; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:46:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NBkYOs000662; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:46:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020823074258.00b3ebf8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:46:17 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: more familiar with cage? In-Reply-To: <006101c24a99$019a0d00$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:34 AM 8/23/2002 -0400, Jon Strang wrote: >------------purdyjeremy@XXXXXX wrote: > > Naturally, since everyone is most familiar with riding a > > cage, the normal panic reaction is to slam your foot > > down, which with a motorcycle is wrong. > >Uhhhh, no, purdyjeremy. I started riding when I was 7, on a 1972? Yamaha >80. Four gears, clutch...basically a scaled down DT-1 without lights. I >rode pretty much every day throughout my childhood...hop on the dirtbike >after school and hit the desert until sundown. I learned to drive a car 9 >years (and 3 or 4 bikes) later and had to re-learn to use clutch/brakes all >in the wrong location. > >I'll bet some dc-cyclists, like perhaps the PenguinBiker, have so much seat >time that driving a car is totally unfamiliar. > >--jon have to agree with jon on this one. The first bike I ever owned was a 69 Honda SL90 (NEW, so that tells you how old I am..sheesh)...and have been on bikes ever since. It wasn't until 5 years later that I got a cage license. Now excuse me while I go mainline my Geritol.. 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 07:46:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NBknSi000703; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:46:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NBknhl000698; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:46:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <81.206587b4.2a977a9e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:46:38 EDT Subject: Re: Manassas MC Rider To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/22/2002 11:56:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > He may have tried to steer away and countersteered right into it . I believe that is one of the largest causes of motorcycle accidents. Keeping in mind that it would include the rider who enters a turn too fast, panics and tries to straighten up by steering thereby throwing him/herself right into the ground. (I think this is the patch of "invisible sand" that is "hit" by so many riders.) I have no idea how to investigate it however, what a rider does in a panic will either not be remembered, or they will tell you what they know (Intellectually) to be the correct answer. Since steer/countersteer input leaves no marks on the road there is no way I can think of to investigate. But I would love to know. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 07:52:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NBqiSi000973; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:52:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NBqitV000967; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:52:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:52:26 EDT Subject: Re: Manassas MC Rider To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/22/2002 12:23:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > Could be that the Sequoia driver and passengers are > all trying to cover their butts, that's one big assed SUV. Damn good point. Unfortunately true or not the rider should have seen that big assed SUV and been prepared to evade it. "If it can go wrong (attack you) it will go wrong" if not this time then next time. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 08:03:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NC3XSi001187; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:03:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NC3XBR001181; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:03:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <114.161956ba.2a977e8a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:03:22 EDT Subject: Re: Things That JUST PISS ME RIGHT THE F*** OFF!!!! (Was: OT: cage help) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/22/2002 1:48:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > a cage that crawls at a snails pace to a *stop light*. Then stops FIVE CAR > LENGTHS behind the car in front of them then creeps forward, then stops.... How about the same guy that stops all the way to the right, blocking the open turn lane? Heat the pitchfork up first. Heat one tine freeze the other? Feed em speed or some other stimulant so they do not pass out while you "instruct" them? (The chinbar on my helmet is coated with cursing residue does anyone know how to clean it up? Is it considered hazardous waste? If so is there a curse safe container I can put it in?) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 08:11:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NCBCSi001371; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:11:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NCBChb001362; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:11:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <15f.12b9cf40.2a978052@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:10:58 EDT Subject: Re: Thanks Everybody! (was Back in the Saddle (?)) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/22/2002 2:17:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gingerdc9@XXXXXX writes: > Thanks everybody for your input. > I feel much less stupid now. ;-) _Always_ ride your own ride. _Never_ let anyone (including you) make you do something that feels wrong on a bike. There will be times when it "Just does not feel right" for no apparent reason at all, listen to that "little voice" and cool it. After nearly 40 years I still have days when I have no business on a bike, If I have to ride on those days I ride cautiously! (Way more then usual) If it aint fun why do it? John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 08:20:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NCKPSi001566; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:20:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NCKPWe001555; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:20:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Manassas Ride Down Followup Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:18:13 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02082308181301.00545@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In the Washington Post today: Motorcycleist Skids Into Traffic, Dies A 40-year-old Nokesville man died Wednesday night after he lost control of his motorcycle and skidded into oncoming traffic, Prince William County police said. James F. Furr, of the 13700 block of Vint Hill Road, was riding his 2003 Harley-Davidson west on Fitzwater Drive about 6:30pm, when he failed to negotiate a curve, police said. Furr was thrown from the motorcycle after he hit the brakes and skidded into the front of a Toyota SUV. -- Carl Schelin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 08:23:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NCNOSi001725; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:23:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NCNOrM001719; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:23:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <38.2cee6546.2a978335@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:23:17 EDT Subject: Re: 400cc vs 250 Two-stroke questions To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/22/2002 5:28:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ajreinhardt@XXXXXX writes: > These bikes are much cheaper here than the > 400cc 4 strokes I would try one just because you will not have the opportunity to ride a two cycle/stroke street bike here in the states. > although I would think that the > performance would be similiar. Not really, power is very different, tends to come on in a huge rush (and is a rush) and quit suddenly, it would take getting used to. (I am old enough to remember two cycle street bikes.) A small two cycle can be a blast to ride. > How are 2-strokes as > street bikes? See above. Just carry spare spark plugs, two cycles tend to foul them regularly. And the "Swiss cheese" cylinders tend to wear out faster, although Suzukis "water buffalo" was as reliable and long lasting as a rock. > How much would a 1992 RGV 250 in good > condition be worth in the US if I were to go through > the hassle of bringing one back? > I do not have any idea about the value, but I seriously doubt you could ever bring it in for street use (legally) the EPA does not like two cycles at all. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 08:39:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NCdnSi001933; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:39:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NCdmxE001917; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:39:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:39:36 EDT Subject: Re: Manassas MC Rider To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/22/2002 6:04:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > ...I thought I read somewhere that sport bikes actually have a very > limited turning radius. In other words, they aren't very good at taking > sharp turns. I think you mean _Slow_ sharp turns, they are damn good at _fast_ sharp turns. And it is not really true. While sport bikes tend to have less steering lock, meaning if you simply turn the handlebars and push them they will turn a larger arc then say a standard. BUT! They also tend to have more ground clearance allowing them to lean over farther, and the farther the lean the tighter the turn*. Find someone who is willing to drag a peg at sub-walking speed, and they will be able to really crank that sucker around. No two bikes are the same, but the differences are not as great as most imagine. *Tire coning (rolling egg effect) has more to do with turning a bike then steering lock. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 08:48:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NCmgSi002109; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:48:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NCmguP002098; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:48:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:48:25 EDT Subject: Re: Self Storage Advice To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/22/2002 7:29:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, toddbpeer@XXXXXX writes: > Anybody here have any experience with self storage? Yea, my 10' by 10' room was 8 1/2' by 9' > The prices around here > are a bit high, A bit? They are outrageous. In theory the farther out you go the cheaper. I would look out away from big shittys (Sorry cities) where people do not "need" storage. Good luck, if you find a cheap facility you might want to post it to the list, I do not think you are the only one looking for cheap storage. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 09:06:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7ND6ISi002350; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:06:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7ND6Isv002342; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:06:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/21/02 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:19:33 -0400 Message-ID: <0hdcmu4mmvua08464ireuob6ka5hrekqao@4ax.com> References: <20020822202531.FSGX23721.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <20020822202531.FSGX23721.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7ND6GSi002325 Again, if you ride a sport bike, if you use the front brake properly the rear wheel will immediately leave the ground and all this rear brake nonsense will not work. Another non sportbike rider trying to tell a sportbike rider how to ride one. OOOokay On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:25:31 +0000, purdyjeremy@XXXXXX wrote: >>>>front brake usage, and the rear wheel fishtails with >>rear brake usage. >>>> >>>Fishtails only when used incorrectly. >> >>So you and I can go out and do a braking exercise and >>you can leave a >>long straight rear wheel skid mark for me? I dont >>think so. > >What he is saying is that when used properly, the rear >brake DOES NOT LOCK UP, and therefore does not fishtail. >When used most effectively, the rear brake adds >additional stopping power, you can't argue with Newton >here. > >Naturally, since everyone is most familiar with riding a >cage, the normal panic reaction is to slam your foot >down, which with a motorcycle is wrong. If you were to >explicitly practice proper two-brake usage and (in a >controlled environment) proper two-brake emergency >braking, you would be able to use the rear brake without >locking it up, no matter what kind of bike you ride. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 09:10:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NDAWSi002514; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:10:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NDAWvu002510; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:10:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Tim Spong" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Horrible experience at Patriot Harley Davidson! Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:23:48 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g7NDAVSi002498 What an Asshole.. am I supposed to do it for free... You s hould have cussed him out good... be like Look mother Effer you are making an hourly wage aren't you? Are you looking at the bike? NO. Are you evaluating anyhting? NO. I'm not not asking for an effing estimate, I'm asking for an effing pricequote you effing retarded moron! :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 09:10:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NDAcSi002552; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:10:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NDAcLe002546; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:10:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:10:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200208230910.AA90636962@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Manassas MC Rider X-Mailer: The landmark Hurt Report noted that: 1. About a third of accident-involved riders did the right thing but it wasn't enough (not enough room to brake to a stop, for example) 2. About a third did just the wrong thing (steered instead of countersteered; locked the rear wheel and fell over thus increasing stopping distance) 3. About a third did absolutely nothing. I can't think of a direct way to determine if a rider countersteered away from the problem or steered into it, but I can think of indirect ways: A. Witnesses - where was the bike, traveling about how fast, and where did it go. Correlate this with known performance measures of the bike (how quickly it can turn, at what turn radius, at what speed) B. Witnesses - did the bike appear to change course abruptly: 1) such as steering during a turn; braking the front wheel during a turn - bike is pointed out of the turn -or- 2) loss of traction - bike is pointed into the turn. C. Look for pavement gouges, and road scrapes on the low side of the bike - this would tell you if the rider got the bike really leaned over in the turn. just a few ideas, Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:46:38 EDT >In a message dated 8/22/2002 11:56:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: >> He may have tried to steer away and countersteered right into it . > >I believe that is one of the largest causes of motorcycle accidents. ...(I think this is the patch of "invisible sand" that is "hit" >by so many riders.) >I have no idea how to investigate it however, what a rider does in a panic >will either not be remembered, or they will tell you what they know >(Intellectually) to be the correct answer. Since steer/countersteer input >leaves no marks on the road there is no way I can think of to investigate. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 09:25:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NDPWSi002863; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:25:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NDPV7N002855; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:25:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D663918.8F7331E1@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:31:04 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Bike Storage... *Kaching* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Winter is approaching, and the ol' bike storage problem arises. My entrepreneurial spirit kicks into gear. I have a 25' X 25' garage, AND a 24' X 22' carport that is more or less enclosed with lattice over a 3' block wall! Lemme see, how many bikes could I fit in there. Whoa! A lot. Truth is the garage is sorta done. I'm not fond of storing gas fumey thangs in the garage, not to mention it's packed to the cieling and consists of narrow navigation routes thru the assortment of power tools and stuff. But I figure one bay of the carport could hold a dozen bikes, maybe more. Other problems: Setting a fair rate for storage. Insurance. I'd have to have a liability release and all bikes would have to be insured. I'd have to get a few breathable tarps to keep the dust and dampness off the bikes, a carport is subject to ambient temps and dew will form. And the Biggie! I'd have to fly the idea past SWMBO. *shiver* Bill in Annandale. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 09:26:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NDQDSi002912; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:26:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NDQDVo002903; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:26:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020823092533.022e1438@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:26:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Troutman Subject: MJM Update to Manassas MC as well Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.manassasjm.com/frontpage/MGBL6LZM75D.html Nokesville man identified as victim in fatal accident BY KEITH WALKER kwalker@XXXXXX Police identified James Franklin Furr, 40, of 13722 Vint Hill Road in Nokesville as the man who died in a motorcycle accident at about 6:30 p.m. Wednesday on Fitzwater Drive, said Detective Dennis Mangan, Prince William police spokesman. Furr, riding a 2003 Harley-Davidson motorcycle, crossed the center line of Fitzwater Drive as he approached a curve 1/4 mile west of Lonesome Road, Mangan said. Police said Furr apparently applied his brakes in the curve and skidded into oncoming traffic. The rear of his motorcycle struck a 2002 Toyota Sequoia sport utility vehicle, which was driven by a Woodbridge man, Mangan said. Police did not release the driver's name. Furr's motorcycle spun around and he was thrown to the side of the road, Mangan said. Neither excessive speed nor alcohol was a factor in the accident, Mangan said. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 09:29:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NDTxSi003179; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:29:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NDTxAK003173; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:29:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00c001c24aa9$f006c860$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Motor PsychoL Danny" , Cc: References: <20020822202531.FSGX23721.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <0hdcmu4mmvua08464ireuob6ka5hrekqao@4ax.com> Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/21/02 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:33:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hoo boy, here we go again. Braking "properly" means the rear wheel "immediately" leaves the ground?? Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Motor PsychoL Danny" > Again, if you ride a sport bike, if you use the front brake properly > the rear wheel will immediately leave the ground ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 09:32:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NDWQSi003235; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:32:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NDWPrm003227; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:32:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020823093127.0229f3b8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:32:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Bike Storage... *Kaching* In-Reply-To: <3D663918.8F7331E1@patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:31 AM 8/23/2002, William J. Huson wrote: >Other problems: Setting a fair rate for storage. Insurance. I'd have >to have a liability release and all bikes would have to be insured. I'd >have to get a few breathable tarps to keep the dust and dampness off the >bikes, a carport is subject to ambient temps and dew will form. And the >Biggie! I'd have to fly the idea past SWMBO. *shiver* With the typically weak DC winters, there isn't much of a reason to store a bike around here. Unless 40 degrees is considered too cold to ride. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 09:39:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NDdZSi003497; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:39:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NDdYQg003491; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:39:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <89.1cbceb74.2a979508@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:39:20 EDT Subject: Re: more familiar with cage? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/23/2002 7:34:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > I'll bet some dc-cyclists, like perhaps the PenguinBiker, have so much seat > time that driving a car is totally unfamiliar. Nah! I just think sidecar or trike and it is easy. #:-} > John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 09:40:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NDexSi003547; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:40:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NDewD0003536; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:40:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [66.44.42.152] From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: pawilson@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Re: Bike Storage... *Kaching* Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 9:40:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: That's my winterizing plan...ride 'em. > > From: Troutman > > With the typically weak DC winters, there isn't much of a reason to store a > bike around here. Unless 40 degrees is considered too cold to ride. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 09:44:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NDiYSi003699; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:44:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NDiYAx003690; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:44:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <10e.162cd676.2a97963a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:44:26 EDT Subject: Re: more familiar with cage? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/23/2002 7:46:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > The first bike I ever owned was a 69 > Honda SL90 My _younger_ brother started on a new S90. (Possibly the first sport bike from Japan low bars, pointy tank, very stylish) I started on a CA150, a _big_ bike for a beginner. P.S. My wife _has_ a 1969 S90. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 09:48:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NDmVSi003853; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:48:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NDmVDq003848; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:48:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:47:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/21/02 In-Reply-To: <00c001c24aa9$f006c860$bb82fea9@palladio1> Message-ID: <20020823064235.O32447-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > Hoo boy, here we go again. Braking "properly" means the rear wheel > "immediately" leaves the ground?? Yeah, Paul... c'mon, don't *YOU* ride a sportbike? HOW THE HELL WOOD EWE NO HOWE SPORTBIKES BREAK UNLESS YU HALF A SPORTBIKE? HUH? :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 09:52:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NDqeSi004123; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:52:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NDqejE004116; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:52:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020823094821.00b3ee40@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:52:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: more familiar with cage? In-Reply-To: <10e.162cd676.2a97963a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:44 AM 8/23/2002 -0400, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 8/23/2002 7:46:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > > > The first bike I ever owned was a 69 > > Honda SL90 > >My _younger_ brother started on a new S90. (Possibly the first sport bike >from Japan low bars, pointy tank, very stylish) I started on a CA150, a _big_ >bike for a beginner. > >P.S. My wife _has_ a 1969 S90. > > >John. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX ah....the S90 was markedly different than the S"L" 90..the SL was Honda's on/off road attempt on the small cc market. It didn't do either real well but because it had a higher fender clearance, it allowed us to ride on mild off-road terrain. Think that sucker could get all the way up to 45mph! Next bike was an SL350...*much* faster..and the same time I bought an Elsinore 250 for moto-cross racing. Stepped up to the big time after that when I bought an old Police special CB750... and then my love of bikes just got worse and worse...totaling about 19 bikes with my current bike, the Wide Glide being number 20. Sheesh...I'm glad I don't have the same problem with WIVES! 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 09:57:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NDv7Si004283; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:57:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NDv7Cb004276; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:57:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:57:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200208230957.AA98370210@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Re: Bike Storage... *Kaching* X-Mailer: Yeah. Winterizing means putting on the big windshield, checking the electric vest power cord, and digging out the warm gloves. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: pawilson@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 9:40:57 -0400 >That's my winterizing plan...ride 'em. >> >> From: Troutman >> >> With the typically weak DC winters, there isn't much of a reason to store a >> bike around here. Unless 40 degrees is considered too cold to ride. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 10:00:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NE0ZSi004333; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:00:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NE0ZuU004327; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:00:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [206.11.149.33] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: timspong@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Horrible experience at Patriot Harley Davidson! Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:59:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 13:59:28.0705 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C247310:01C24AAD] Since WHEN do you have to PAY for estimates?! That's complete bullshit. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: "Tim Spong" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Horrible experience at Patriot Harley Davidson! >Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:08:50 +0000 > >I contacted Patriot HD and asked them (very politely) to fax me a price >quote for a new tank. The parts guy told me it would cost me $60. I asked >him why, and he told me that insurance estimates cost $60. I told him that >I just wanted a quote for a new tank and I didn't need a mechanic or >anything to look at the bike. He then replied "Am I just supposed to do it >for free ?" in a very nonchalant manner. > > >Tim Spong > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 10:03:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NE3TSi004516; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:03:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NE3PLZ004497; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:03:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020823100004.02421460@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:03:18 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Re: Bike Storage... *Kaching* In-Reply-To: <200208230957.AA98370210@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:57 AM 8/23/2002 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >Yeah. Winterizing means putting on the big windshield, checking the >electric vest power cord, and digging out the warm gloves. > >Chris Norloff oh oh..then I'm doing it all wrong. I drain all the fluids, put in fresh fluids, some gas preservative, wash/wax it, roll it into the house, plug it into the battery tender, raise it on a lift and put flood lights under it. Then for about 3 months I go downstairs sit in my lawn chair, pop a beer, stare at the bike and make "vrroom, vroom,potato, potato" sounds and annoy the living shit out of my wife. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 10:04:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NE4PSi004645; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:04:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NE4PJ9004639; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:04:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020823095324.02d1ab40@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rmeyer9@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:55:18 -0400 To: "Tim Spong" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Horrible experience at Patriot Harley Davidson! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:08 AM 8/23/02 +0000, Tim Spong wrote: >I just had to write this to vent my anger. As I posted a couple of days >ago, my Harley got "keyed" and the tank was ruined. I contacted Harley >Davidson and my insurance company and it turns out that Harley doesn't do >"re-sprays", as a new tank would be cheaper. > >I contacted Patriot HD and asked them (very politely) to fax me a price >quote for a new tank. The parts guy told me it would cost me $60. I >asked him why, and he told me that insurance estimates cost $60. I told >him that I just wanted a quote for a new tank and I didn't need a mechanic >or anything to look at the bike. He then replied "Am I just supposed to >do it for free ?" in a very nonchalant manner. Not trying to justify this behavior, but the insurance companies actually encourage it by paying $60 for an estimate. To the dealers it's "free" money, and most customers don't complain because it doesn't appear to cost them anything. I'm curious: did you tell Witt's the quote was for an insurance claim? Bob Meyer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 10:09:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NE97Si004908; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:09:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NE96NJ004904; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:09:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020823100629.02d0d1b0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rmeyer9@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:10:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Horrible experience at Patriot Harley Davidson! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:59 AM 8/23/02 -0400, Jeannette Zell wrote: >Since WHEN do you have to PAY for estimates?! >That's complete bullshit. With that statement I completely disagree. For a real damage estimate, the dealership has to devote a mechanic to inspecting, and sometimes partially disassembling and reassembling, the bike. While the mechanic's doing that, he's not working on other billable repairs, and that costs both the dealership and the mechanic money. And with no guarantee you'll bring the bike back there to have the repairs made. When a mechanic spends time working on your vehicle he, and the dealership which employs him, deserve to be paid for that time. That's why insurance companies pay for estimates. Unless you're willing to work for free, don't expect a mechanic to do it, either. Bob Meyer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 10:10:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NEAUSi004955; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:10:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NEAUXP004949; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:10:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <14e.12e8118a.2a979c4e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:10:22 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/21/02 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/23/2002 9:30:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > Hoo boy, here we go again. Braking "properly" means the rear wheel > "immediately" leaves the ground?? I remember (and I mean _vividly_) panic locking the rear wheel on the edge of a BIG jump once. Of course _both_ wheels immediately left the ground, and the engine quit since the bike was in gear. What I remember most was how quiet it was flying through the air with no engine, looking straight down on the moron who had a 125 out practicing with the open bikes, and was about to die when I landed on him. Fortunately he landed on the downhill with a big ol handful of throttle and barely scooted out from under me before I squashed him. He never knew! John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 10:11:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NEBXSi004994; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:11:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NEBXib004987; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:11:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <114.161c9f80.2a979c8e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:11:26 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Storage... *Kaching* To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/23/2002 9:32:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > Unless 40 degrees is considered too cold to ride. Dear god I am looking forward to 40 deg.! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Aug 23 10:15:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7NEFoSi005306; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:15:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7NEFoft005298; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:15:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVazcRYyBhVNEzhUMV5E3WxoD5d05hMkOt8LbaYQ5pk5Bqwwq3oBmw