From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 07:55:51 2001 From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: A friend of mine had an accident... Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 07:54:30 -0400 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: |> "A friend of mine had an accident...He said he believed (he was going) no more than 70. I asked him the speed limit, he said might have been 35 or 40....he said he received like 4 tickets......He thinks the cop just wanted to give it to the 'out of town' bikers....So what do you guys think regarding this? truck at fault?" You've GOT to be kidding! "Get a lawyer" is good advice but what he really needs is some religion 'cause he's one lucky SoB for even surviving. I can see how this would happen but for him to be incredulous about it is absurd. Oh, and 'not too long ago' he dumped the bike complete w/ girlfriend on the back? Fuck that. You can defend him all you like but he's nothing but a menace. A lucky to be alive menace. Even worse than a cage! Has he, by any chance, considered taking the Motorcycle Safety Course? From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 08:36:55 2001 From: "Jay Block" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Legal help Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 08:36:48 -0400 Hey guys (and gals), screwing up is one thing. Getting slammed by a judge is another. Having a lawyer represent you in court, even if you are guilty of the underlying charge, will help when it comes to dispostion. "Let the punishment fit the crime." Have him contact a local lawyer. Jay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 08:42:29 2001 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Re: bike night Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 08:39:47 -0400 Hmmmm. This bike night sounds like something I wouldn't have missed...if it weren't for the fact that I was riding with three others out of PA for close to 200 miles of solid rain....Damnit! I hate rain and riding. Bad combination. Do it again Lisa. And this time make it clear that there won't be any rain. ;-) Todd (Springfield, VA) -----------original ------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:45:39 -0500 From: "George Cole" Thanks Lisa, For putting a Bethesda bike night together. (even though I drove the cage in) Yes I am a rain wimp. Since I live only a few miles away, I vote to have all the Bike Nights at Uncle Jed's. Maybe at least a informal one occasionally during the week. George Cole 2K VFR >>> "lisa@XXXXXX" 07/31/01 08:37AM >>> Well, the rain really put a damper on bike night at Uncle Jed's in Bethesda this past Sunday night. We had a total of three bikes parked out front: my bike, Jay's ZX-11 and Niv's BMW. A few others showed up in cages, there's tons of free cage parking in the public garage across the street. We pulled together a few tables for that intimate bike night feeling, I've never sat with the entire bike night crowd at one table! I think George Cole might have some pics to share. Thanks to those who showed. Also, thanks to Rob K. for his pre-event publicity! Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 08:45:33 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 05:45:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Prather Subject: Fwd: A friend of mine had an accident... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --0-899341518-996669931=:42824 Wow... People on this site are merciless... first and foremost...YES I took the safety course... Second.. when I took the spill with my girlfriend on the back.. One it was raining, two I didn't grab a "handful" of brakes or shit on myself like some of you implied.. the fucking front wheel just tucked... Plain and simple... You guys act like I was out doing stunts or some shit asking for trouble or something and you guys basically brand me a fucking menace... And we are supposed to stand by each other??? A fucking truck jumps out in front of me, and when I try to go in the other lane to go by him, cause I didn't have enough room to stop and he proceeds to get in the middle of the street leaving me no place to go and I'm a menace??? To the guy who gave advice saying that no matter if I was going 10 MPH or 20+ over the limit, if the other driver doesn't give the right away is wrong, thank you for advising me to get a lawyer...I am.. To everyone else with their smart ass comments or who judged the way I ride without ever seeing, meeting or talking to me...you can kiss my ass...ask danny I don't stunt, run from cops nor do I be lane splitting like some of these crazy fools out here...but I'm a menace...what the fuck ever.... Robert... Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-899341518-996669931=:42824 X-Apparently-To: im_gone_41_r6@XXXXXX via web14305.mail.yahoo.com; 01 Aug 2001 04:56:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Track: 1: 40 From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: A friend of mine had an accident... Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 07:54:30 -0400 Content-Length: 884 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: |> "A friend of mine had an accident...He said he believed (he was going) no more than 70. I asked him the speed limit, he said might have been 35 or 40....he said he received like 4 tickets......He thinks the cop just wanted to give it to the 'out of town' bikers....So what do you guys think regarding this? truck at fault?" You've GOT to be kidding! "Get a lawyer" is good advice but what he really needs is some religion 'cause he's one lucky SoB for even surviving. I can see how this would happen but for him to be incredulous about it is absurd. Oh, and 'not too long ago' he dumped the bike complete w/ girlfriend on the back? Fuck that. You can defend him all you like but he's nothing but a menace. A lucky to be alive menace. Even worse than a cage! Has he, by any chance, considered taking the Motorcycle Safety Course? --0-899341518-996669931=:42824-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 09:13:42 2001 From: "Dave" To: Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:17:50 -0400 > the fucking front wheel just tucked... Plain and > simple... Front wheels dont just tuck. Plain and simple. When you adopt that attitude you fail to learn from your mistakes. A good rider will look at what he or she could have done different and not blame it on some mystery force. >but I'm a > menace...what the fuck ever.... According to Danny you told him that you were going 30 to 35 mph over the speed limit. On public roads I would consider that a menace. Dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 09:22:11 2001 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: A friend of mine had an accident... Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:21:30 -0400 X-SLUIDL: 865E4DEF-85E411D5-8E150060-08C770E5 > >but I'm a > > menace...what the fuck ever.... > > According to Danny you told him that you were going 30 to 35 mph over the > speed limit. On public roads I would consider that a menace. > > Dave A quick show of hands: Who on this list has never been a menace by this definition? --jon A Public Menace. '01 Suzuki Bandit 1200 (black and nekkid) From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 09:24:18 2001 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:27:28 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: Dave CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... I'm not going to cast aspersions on the rider who started this whole thread, but Dave makes a good point. Everyone makes mistakes, but the thinking person is the one who learns from those mistakes. I don't hold crashing against anyone, it happens, but it does worry me when the person has no earthly idea why he or she crashed or blames mysterious problems with the bike or "invisible sand." Again, not saying it's the case here, but I've heard it before. Paul in DC Dave wrote: > > > the fucking front wheel just tucked... Plain and > > simple... > > Front wheels dont just tuck. Plain and simple. When you adopt that attitude > you fail to learn from your mistakes. A good rider will look at what he or > she could have done different and not blame it on some mystery force. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 09:30:29 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 06:30:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Prather Subject: Fwd: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --0-1466744768-996672627=:32515 Bullshit about front wheels not tucking...You read any racers interview after a race where they crashed and you read it all the time... Shows how much you know... Yes I wasn't racing and no I wasn't on the track but that remark about front ends not tucking is a bunch of crap... Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-1466744768-996672627=:32515 X-Apparently-To: im_gone_41_r6@XXXXXX via web14305.mail.yahoo.com; 01 Aug 2001 06:14:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Track: 1: 40 From: "Dave" To: Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:17:50 -0400 Content-Length: 474 > the fucking front wheel just tucked... Plain and > simple... Front wheels dont just tuck. Plain and simple. When you adopt that attitude you fail to learn from your mistakes. A good rider will look at what he or she could have done different and not blame it on some mystery force. >but I'm a > menace...what the fuck ever.... According to Danny you told him that you were going 30 to 35 mph over the speed limit. On public roads I would consider that a menace. Dave --0-1466744768-996672627=:32515-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 09:37:37 2001 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:38:24 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Jon Strang Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Jon, I'm sure most everyone on this list is guilty of such hooligan behavior. I know I am. But we also need to consider the situation. According to the original post by Danny (if I remember correctly ... I don't have it in front of me), he was doing ~35mph over in a 35mph zone. That's double the speed limit. In an area where there are apparently driveways and/or intersections (the truck pulled out onto the road). Only a 2-lane road, maybe with a single or double yellow line. I would submit that this is less than prudent riding. Certainly a whole lot different than 35mph over with a posted limit of 65mph on a multiple-lane road. Or even different than riding fast on "backroads" where there's limited traffic and places for people to pull onto the road. Have I done what this particular rider has done (in terms of riding "fast" on a road with a relatively "low" speed limit in an area where something like what happened to him happened? Yup! Early on in my riding learning curve. And I had my "almost accident" when a lady backed her car out of her driveway onto the road just as I was rounding a curve at a pretty good clip. Also learned my lesson. There's a time and place for certain types of riding. And if you choose to "push it" on roads where the risk is higher, then bad stuff can happen. Is this guy a "menace"? Let's just say that Danny's account of what happened was less than flattering of the rider's skills and judgement. Chuck Jon Strang wrote: > > > >but I'm a > > > menace...what the fuck ever.... > > > > According to Danny you told him that you were going 30 to 35 mph over the > > speed limit. On public roads I would consider that a menace. > > > > Dave > > A quick show of hands: Who on this list has never been a menace by this > definition? -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 09:40:52 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 06:40:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Prather Subject: Fwd: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --0-395753187-996673250=:24250 I'm not blaming invisible sand or mysterious forces.. All I'm saying is that I don't know what caused my front wheel to just slide out...I didn't lock up my front brake and I have already taken responsibility for the accident..I know it was my fault cause I was the one operating the bike... I have no one to blame but myself.. but for people saying I'm a menace or for saying I'm at fault cause some fool pulls out in front of me is ridiculous. And as for me speeding.. or going so fast...how many times have you been on the beltway and looked down and noticed you were doing over 80??? And when I initially asked danny to post a message asking for advice I told him the fastest I might have been doing WAS 70....I didn't know for a fact how fast I was going cause I didn't look at my speedomotor before dumbass pulled out..I told him I was chilling and that the fastest I could've been going was 70... which I don't think I was going THAT fast cause I looked at the pictures from the accident...There is no damage to the truck where I hit it at...just some scratches... Robert Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-395753187-996673250=:24250 X-Apparently-To: im_gone_41_r6@XXXXXX via web14306.mail.yahoo.com; 01 Aug 2001 06:24:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Track: 1: 40 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:27:28 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: Dave CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Content-Length: 786 I'm not going to cast aspersions on the rider who started this whole thread, but Dave makes a good point. Everyone makes mistakes, but the thinking person is the one who learns from those mistakes. I don't hold crashing against anyone, it happens, but it does worry me when the person has no earthly idea why he or she crashed or blames mysterious problems with the bike or "invisible sand." Again, not saying it's the case here, but I've heard it before. Paul in DC Dave wrote: > > > the fucking front wheel just tucked... Plain and > > simple... > > Front wheels dont just tuck. Plain and simple. When you adopt that attitude > you fail to learn from your mistakes. A good rider will look at what he or > she could have done different and not blame it on some mystery force. > --0-395753187-996673250=:24250-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 09:41:24 2001 From: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:39:41 -0400 Subject: RE: A friend of mine had an accident... To: jmstrang@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 08/01/2001 09:39:47 AM OK ... ME. I can honestly say that I have NEVER gone 30-35 over in a 35 mph zone. Now in a 55 or 65 mph zone, that's another story ... :-) --chris Jon Strang on 08/01/2001 09:21:30 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: RE: A friend of mine had an accident... > >but I'm a > > menace...what the fuck ever.... > > According to Danny you told him that you were going 30 to 35 mph over the > speed limit. On public roads I would consider that a menace. > > Dave A quick show of hands: Who on this list has never been a menace by this definition? --jon A Public Menace. '01 Suzuki Bandit 1200 (black and nekkid) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 09:42:05 2001 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:43:02 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Robert Prather Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Front wheels tuck under very hard cornering forces. I know because I've done it on the track. They don't "just tuck", particularly if the bike is relatively straight up-and-down. You have to have some pretty serious lean angle and force pushing the front wheel to get it to tuck. Given the original description of the event (which may or may not be accurate), I have a hard time imagining that the rider in question had the bike in a position to tuck the front (i.e., extreme lean angle approaching dragging knee while trying to avoid the truck that pulled out in front of him). Anything is possible, but it's difficult for me to figure out how the front wheel would tuck in this particular scenario. Robert Prather wrote: > > Bullshit about front wheels not tucking...You read any > racers interview after a race where they crashed and > you read it all the time... Shows how much you know... > Yes I wasn't racing and no I wasn't on the track but > that remark about front ends not tucking is a bunch of > crap... -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 09:44:56 2001 From: Gaske David G DLVA To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:44:40 -0400 Give us all a break. Tires tuck in racing because they were pushing the limit. They don't tuck because they were riding along and, oh my, my front tire "tucked". Since it obviously wasn't your fault that it tucked, then whey did it? Tire pressure? Road Debris? Brakes grabbing to hard Please enlighten us all as to what super natural forces caused your tire to tuck. I'll be first in line to have a ouji board session to ride your bike and all bikes of their paranormal entities!!! David '00 Sprint RS (yellow) Fredericksburg, Va. USA -----Original Message----- From: Robert Prather [mailto:im_gone_41_r6@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:30 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Bullshit about front wheels not tucking...You read any racers interview after a race where they crashed and you read it all the time... Shows how much you know... Yes I wasn't racing and no I wasn't on the track but that remark about front ends not tucking is a bunch of crap... Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 09:57:58 2001 From: "Jon Strang" To: , Subject: RE: A friend of mine had an accident... Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:57:26 -0400 X-SLUIDL: 865E4E32-85E411D5-8E150060-08C770E5 Chuck, I agree with everything you said; based on the "front wheels not tucking..shows you what you know" comment he just made, I think his the extent of his skill and judgment, and more importantly, the ability to take responsibility for his actions and to learn from them, have been made apparent. I did object to the summary crucifixion of the guy before we even had a first hand account. Danny's apparently rapidly-typed post didn't put the guy in the best light, so I figured he deserved a chance to redeem or condemn himself. He's had/has the chance. --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > > Jon, > > I'm sure most everyone on this list is guilty of such hooligan > behavior. I know I am. But we also need to consider the situation. > According to the original post by Danny (if I remember correctly ... I > don't have it in front of me), he was doing ~35mph over in a 35mph > zone. That's double the speed limit. In an area where there are > apparently driveways and/or intersections (the truck pulled out onto the > road). Only a 2-lane road, maybe with a single or double yellow line. > I would submit that this is less than prudent riding. Certainly a whole > lot different than 35mph over with a posted limit of 65mph on a > multiple-lane road. Or even different than riding fast on "backroads" > where there's limited traffic and places for people to pull onto the > road. Have I done what this particular rider has done (in terms of > riding "fast" on a road with a relatively "low" speed limit in an area > where something like what happened to him happened? Yup! Early on in > my riding learning curve. And I had my "almost accident" when a lady > backed her car out of her driveway onto the road just as I was rounding > a curve at a pretty good clip. Also learned my lesson. There's a time > and place for certain types of riding. And if you choose to "push it" > on roads where the risk is higher, then bad stuff can happen. Is this > guy a "menace"? Let's just say that Danny's account of what happened > was less than flattering of the rider's skills and judgement. > > Chuck > > Jon Strang wrote: > > > > > >but I'm a > > > > menace...what the fuck ever.... > > > > > > According to Danny you told him that you were going 30 to 35 > mph over the > > > speed limit. On public roads I would consider that a menace. > > > > > > Dave > > > > A quick show of hands: Who on this list has never been a menace by this > > definition? > > -- > "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." > -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 10:02:10 2001 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:03:08 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Jon Strang Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Let the stoning begin! %^) Jon Strang wrote : > > I did object to the summary crucifixion of the guy before we even had a > first hand account. -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 10:06:09 2001 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:02:13 -0400 From: Nichols.Nick@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [SOCMd] [Fwd: [SOC-USA] Suzuki Owners Club - USA "Rally in the Valley" details (inNY State)] To: SOCMd@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, cwbalt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, katanalist@XXXXXX, SOCMd@XXXXXX X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on EPAHUB11/USEPA/US(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 08/01/2001 10:02:59 AM --0__=85256A9B0048DDE78f9e8a93df938690918c85256A9B0048DDE7 Warning I bought the 2001 SUZ Volusia from Brooklyn Cycle World and dropped it in my driveway only a few months later...bummer! I ordered the parts a long time ago from Rosedale CW (they are supposed to be faster with everything especially service). They messed that up and I think it was at least a week later that they put the order in to the factory. I put my deposit down on the parts way back in June, made my insurance claim and waited for all to come together to get my bike looking great again. Well... first thing CW service- Steve gives the insurance appraiser a bunch of shit for looking up part numbers and labor estimates for the repairs and even wanted to charge the company for the information they gave me for free! The problem was that Suz did not even give its dealers all the info they needed to even do service on the bikes let alone parts numbers...this should have all been in place BEFORE a single bike was sold ! We got that worked out by talking to Eric the parts manger instead. Here it is August 1st and my parts are still not in. Eric says Suzuki says they are on back order which is a way of saying that Suzuki America/Japan does not give a shit about making sure that spare parts are available to its loyal customers before they sell you a bike. If they are making the bikes they have the parts!!!! Ive got a turn signal falling off, a badly dented tank and bent handle bars and no one at CW nor Suz seems to care at all about making things right by Christmas. Eric says I may get my turn signal in sooner than the tank and other parts. Great.... Im gonna have to make numerous trips and be without my bike to get everything fixed. Is it unreasonable to think Suzuki should have this new bike thing down before they sell one bike?! I dont think so....you drop a Harley and you can find parts in freaking China the same day. This whole experience has tainted my view of what I thought were top notch companies...unfortunalty the system and service behind the product is pathetic ! I had the VX 800 before this and I couldnt even find the right tire size for it ! Hell, Ron and others in this Club couldn't even get Suz to officially recognize and support our Club! I tried to contact Suz out in California and all I get for my long distance calls is HOLD PLEASE! for 20 F *&^% ing minutes. Any suggestions????? Still waiting to cruise in style. Nick "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: Balt-Cycles-l , "D.C.Cycles-L" y.jhu.edu> , "katanalist@XXXXXX" 07/30/01 09:07 , Lynn Rhiel AM , "SOCMd@XXXXXX" Please respond to SOCMd cc: Subject: [SOCMd] [Fwd: [SOC-USA] Suzuki Owners Club - USA "Rally in the Valley" details (inNY State)] -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [SOC-USA] Suzuki Owners Club - USA "Rally in the Valley" details (inNY State) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 20:11:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Lemans750@XXXXXX Here's the info I promised on the upcoming event. If you are not interested in attending the SOC-USA Fall Rally, please read no further (and sorry for any inconvenience). It is open to all Suzuki owners, and if you are not already a member of SOC-USA, we will make membership registration available to attendees AT THE EVENT (if you're reading this, you have e-mail, so it's only a Dollar per year for a basic membership). You must, however be a member (or join upon arrival) to attend. Ok, that's "the pitch" (and the only "catch"). Here's the poop: Friday,. September 7 through Sunday the 9th we will be gathering for a weekend of riding (and race watching!). The planned highlight of the weekend will be the AMA Flattrack Races at Vernon Downs [ http://www.vernondowns.com/ ] on Saturday night. We plan on arrivals beginning around Noon on Friday. The Campground is TA-GA-SOKE Campgrounds in Sylvan Beach, NY (northeast of Syracuse). Kenn Gibbs (our National Cruiser and Touring Coordinator) and I rode up today to check the place out, and it's really quite nice! It's minutes from Turning Stone Casino, about 30 minutes from the race track (this is important, because the races last until around 11 - Midnight, and who wants a two hour drive back to the campsite at that hour?). The facility has a great selection of amenities, so feel free to plan on bringing your family too! Even if they won't be riding with us, there's lots to do in and around the park. The campground has a beach, deli and store, an on site restaurant (very reasonably priced), a Rec Room (with pool table, video games), miniature golf, basketball, boat rentals (with access to Oneida Lake), laundromat, showers, and we were assured (by a female camper that Kenn asked) of clean restrooms with proper flush toilets and hot/ cold running water. Sunday morning we won't even have to leave to get breakfast, as there is a $4.95 Breakfast Buffet (with tons of high cholesterol items available!). Kenn and I each reserved two cabins for Friday and Saturday, and there are a few left adjacent to our sites. There are also tent site available in the same area. The cabin rates are based on two adults and three children. The cabins look only a year or so old. They will comfortably sleep four adults (but "extra adults" are $5.00 per night). They also have lights and electric. In other words, it works out to only $25.00 for the weekend for 4 adults sharing a cabin! Is this a deal or what? The Campground website has a site map on it. [ http://www.ta-ga-soke.com ] We currently have C71 through C74 reserved, and I urge anyone planning on attending to reserve your tent site or cabin now, as they will NOT last long. I would not try to contact them by email, I would instead call to reserve, as they don't seem to grasp the full "e-commerce" concept yet - LOL. The toll free number is: 1.800.831.1744. You may reserve a site with a credit card (and may cancel without penalty with no less than 24 hours notice, prior to the arrival date). If you'd like more information, check out the SOC-USA "Events" page on the website [ http://www.soc-usa.org ], or contact either me or Kenn Gibbs (there are email links to us from the site). If you don't mind sending an "RSVP" to either Kenn or Myself (once you've reserved), it'd be great so we can keep a "running head count" to better plan the events. We might also be able to qualify for group discount rates on the race tickets if we can get enough folks involved! Hope to see you there! Bill Hawley SOC-USA NY State Coordinator 1975 GT750 Water Buffalo Visit the Suzuki Owners Club - USA website: http://www.soc-usa.org/ NY State area members subscribe to the NY area e-mailing list by sending an email to: SOCNY-subscribe@XXXXXX Yahoo! 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To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I did take responsibility for my accident... I never said it wasn't my fault... I'm just saying I don't know what caused my front wheel to tuck.. and thats what happened...the light turned red, I went to brake, NOT HARD mind you...and the front wheel went...next thing I know I'm on the ground..but I knew it was my fault..always did.. like I said in my previous post, I was the one operating the bike, I have no one else to blame. I'm just upset that people calling me a menace cause some guy jumped out in front of me.. Now had I been in a car and this same guy jumped out in front of me, would I still be considered a menace??? Robert --- Jon Strang wrote: > Chuck, > > I agree with everything you said; based on the > "front wheels not > tucking..shows you what you know" comment he just > made, I think his the > extent of his skill and judgment, and more > importantly, the ability to take > responsibility for his actions and to learn from > them, have been made > apparent. > > I did object to the summary crucifixion of the guy > before we even had a > first hand account. Danny's apparently > rapidly-typed post didn't put the > guy in the best light, so I figured he deserved a > chance to redeem or > condemn himself. > > He's had/has the chance. > > --jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > > > > Jon, > > > > I'm sure most everyone on this list is guilty of > such hooligan > > behavior. I know I am. But we also need to > consider the situation. > > According to the original post by Danny (if I > remember correctly ... I > > don't have it in front of me), he was doing ~35mph > over in a 35mph > > zone. That's double the speed limit. In an area > where there are > > apparently driveways and/or intersections (the > truck pulled out onto the > > road). Only a 2-lane road, maybe with a single or > double yellow line. > > I would submit that this is less than prudent > riding. Certainly a whole > > lot different than 35mph over with a posted limit > of 65mph on a > > multiple-lane road. Or even different than riding > fast on "backroads" > > where there's limited traffic and places for > people to pull onto the > > road. Have I done what this particular rider has > done (in terms of > > riding "fast" on a road with a relatively "low" > speed limit in an area > > where something like what happened to him > happened? Yup! Early on in > > my riding learning curve. And I had my "almost > accident" when a lady > > backed her car out of her driveway onto the road > just as I was rounding > > a curve at a pretty good clip. Also learned my > lesson. There's a time > > and place for certain types of riding. And if you > choose to "push it" > > on roads where the risk is higher, then bad stuff > can happen. Is this > > guy a "menace"? Let's just say that Danny's > account of what happened > > was less than flattering of the rider's skills and > judgement. > > > > Chuck > > > > Jon Strang wrote: > > > > > > > >but I'm a > > > > > menace...what the fuck ever.... > > > > > > > > According to Danny you told him that you were > going 30 to 35 > > mph over the > > > > speed limit. On public roads I would consider > that a menace. > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > A quick show of hands: Who on this list has > never been a menace by this > > > definition? > > > > -- > > "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is > exactly what it is." > > -- Buckaroo Banzai > > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 10:12:02 2001 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:11:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... At 09:40 AM 8/1/01, you wrote: >...And when I initially asked danny to post a message >asking for advice I told him the fastest I might have >been doing WAS 70....I didn't know for a fact how fast >I was going cause I didn't look at my speedomotor >before dumbass pulled out..I told him I was chilling >and that the fastest I could've been going was 70... >which I don't think I was going THAT fast cause I >looked at the pictures from the accident... Not knowing anything about the situation besides what I have read - I have to ask ... if you had been going 35 - do you think the truck would have seen you? When people pull out on to the road marked 35, they aren't looking for someone going 65 or 70. Sounds like the cops took this into account when they didn't ticket the truck for failure to yield. And yes - doubling the speed limit does make you a menace. Especially in a 35 zone. Doing so in a 55 zone is quite a bit different (i.e. the Beltway). I have been a menace at times - especially on roads like Skyline that are marked well below their comfortable speeds ... but I realize that by doing so, some tourist could be pulling out of an overlook around any corner. As for not knowing your exact speed - you should always have a pretty good idea how fast you are going. We went through a long thread here on knowing your speed through listening to your RPMs. It isn't very hard to learn. Picking apart accident situations is a popular sport on the list. It helps us learn what not to do - and remind us that occasionally there is a stalled tractor in the road around the next corner. Good luck with your case. Try and go in with a positive attitude. Try to come out with your license. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 10:18:55 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 07:18:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Prather Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thanks..I appreciate the kinds advice and support. But I honestly don't think I was going 70... and to tell you the truth it all happened so fast I couldn't tell you how fast I was going by listening to my RPM's we were coming around a blind bend so I know we were going that fast...Danny asked me how fast I thought I was going..I told him..I was in chill mode and the fastest I COULDA been doing was 70...That was like maximum speed in the scenario... Like I said, if I showed you the pictures from the accident, the truck's back door to the pick-ups bed, has no damages, just some scratches... Robert --- Troutman wrote: > At 09:40 AM 8/1/01, you wrote: > >...And when I initially asked danny to post a > message > >asking for advice I told him the fastest I might > have > >been doing WAS 70....I didn't know for a fact how > fast > >I was going cause I didn't look at my speedomotor > >before dumbass pulled out..I told him I was > chilling > >and that the fastest I could've been going was > 70... > >which I don't think I was going THAT fast cause I > >looked at the pictures from the accident... > > Not knowing anything about the situation besides > what I have read - I have > to ask ... if you had been going 35 - do you think > the truck would have > seen you? When people pull out on to the road > marked 35, they aren't > looking for someone going 65 or 70. Sounds like the > cops took this into > account when they didn't ticket the truck for > failure to yield. And yes - > doubling the speed limit does make you a menace. > Especially in a 35 > zone. Doing so in a 55 zone is quite a bit > different (i.e. the > Beltway). I have been a menace at times - > especially on roads like Skyline > that are marked well below their comfortable speeds > ... but I realize that > by doing so, some tourist could be pulling out of an > overlook around any > corner. > > As for not knowing your exact speed - you should > always have a pretty good > idea how fast you are going. We went through a long > thread here on knowing > your speed through listening to your RPMs. It isn't > very hard to learn. > > Picking apart accident situations is a popular sport > on the list. It helps > us learn what not to do - and remind us that > occasionally there is a > stalled tractor in the road around the next corner. > > Good luck with your case. Try and go in with a > positive attitude. Try to > come out with your license. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 10:21:56 2001 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:22:53 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Robert Prather Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... OK. Let's try to be a little constructive here. You braked (not hard) while the bike was still pretty much straight up-and-down and the front wheel went out from under you. Were there any slick spots on the road? What kind of condition is the front tire in? The front suspension? Were you attempting to swerve as braked? Oh yeah, what kind of bike are we talking about here? Do you have "grabby" brakes? Were you countersteering or actually trying to turn the handlebars? Honestly, you/we will probably never really know what happened and what caused it. I'm sure it all happened in the blink of an eye (been there, done that). If no one else was riding with you, you don't have a "witness" who could at least provide their interpretation/observation of what they say happen and what you did. And I am guessing you don't have on-board telemetry or those neat on-board cameras found on WSB and GP bikes. %^) But unless there was something on the road that caused your front wheel to lose traction, the odds are overwhelming that what caused your front wheel to go out from under you was due to some sort of rider error. This is not the same thing as saying you are a menace (BTW, just get over it; getting all defensive about it in this forum is not going to help you make a better case for your unfortunate incident and certainly won't help you learn anything from what happened). Just that you made some sort of mistake (as all of us have done at one time or another while riding). You need to reconstruct everything as clearly as possible to try and figure out what the mistake was and why you did it. Robert Prather wrote : > > I did take responsibility for my accident... I never > said it wasn't my fault... I'm just saying I don't > know what caused my front wheel to tuck.. and thats > what happened...the light turned red, I went to brake, > NOT HARD mind you...and the front wheel went...next > thing I know I'm on the ground..but I knew it was my -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 10:27:10 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:27:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... This is a fun thread :) About front end tucking: Yep, we tuck the front on the race track all the time. I did it 2 weeks ago at Summit Point in T5, and at Road A last year in T10a. It never "just tucks". It does so because the amount of lateral force being applied to the front tire exceeds the amout of grip available. This is either because: A) Trailing the brakes (or still using the brakes) while initiating the turn. If you're using the brakes, weight is transferred to the front suspension. Simple matter of weight + lateral force overcoming available traction. The last two times I tucked the front... this is why it happened. B) Too agressive of turn-in. At the moment of turn in, when the bike snaps over, adhesion loses to weight and momentum. Have never had this happen but I've seen the factory guys do it on TV. C) Carrying more cornerspeed than the front tire can handle. See above. Never been able to corner faster than my bike can. D) Dragging the engine cases causes front end to be levered of the ground. Ditto... never happened to me, and usually this is only a problem on older bikes with less ground clearance than new ones have. E) Surface condition... oil, sand, etc. Avoiding these is key. As for speeding... 70mph in a 35 zone is the same as 110mph in a 55 percentage wise. Of course, in a 35 there's usually driveways, blind corners, people walking their dogs, etc, etc. Not really a great idea to be going that fast. Without seeing the situation myself I'm not going to pass any judgement on anyone, but if you were in the neighborhood of 20+ over the limit approaching someone's driveway... I'd have a hard time finding fault in the other driver... that's a pretty bad situation. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 10:28:33 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 07:28:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Prather Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... To: the_penas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Robert Prather um I'll answer the questions you asked...as far as I know there weren't any oil slicks, my front tire was in good condition at the time, the front suspension also was fine, I wasn't attempting to swerve, no. I have a R6 and my brakes don't feel grabby...I wasn't countersteering or turning the handle bars I was just trying to stop the bike. as for getting defensive I apologize...its just the first time I've had people attack me or say the accident with the truck driver was my fault... everyone else I spoke to except the cop and the truck driver's insurance adjuster says it was his fault.... The cop gave me tickets without even getting a statement from me OR my side of the story... Does that sound legit??? --- Chuck Pena wrote: > OK. Let's try to be a little constructive here. > You braked (not hard) > while the bike was still pretty much straight > up-and-down and the front > wheel went out from under you. Were there any slick > spots on the road? > What kind of condition is the front tire in? The > front suspension? > Were you attempting to swerve as braked? Oh yeah, > what kind of bike are > we talking about here? Do you have "grabby" brakes? > Were you > countersteering or actually trying to turn the > handlebars? Honestly, > you/we will probably never really know what happened > and what caused > it. I'm sure it all happened in the blink of an eye > (been there, done > that). If no one else was riding with you, you > don't have a "witness" > who could at least provide their > interpretation/observation of what they > say happen and what you did. And I am guessing you > don't have on-board > telemetry or those neat on-board cameras found on > WSB and GP bikes. %^) > But unless there was something on the road that > caused your front wheel > to lose traction, the odds are overwhelming that > what caused your front > wheel to go out from under you was due to some sort > of rider error. > This is not the same thing as saying you are a > menace (BTW, just get > over it; getting all defensive about it in this > forum is not going to > help you make a better case for your unfortunate > incident and certainly > won't help you learn anything from what happened). > Just that you made > some sort of mistake (as all of us have done at one > time or another > while riding). You need to reconstruct everything > as clearly as > possible to try and figure out what the mistake was > and why you did it. > > Robert Prather wrote : > > > > I did take responsibility for my accident... I > never > > said it wasn't my fault... I'm just saying I don't > > know what caused my front wheel to tuck.. and > thats > > what happened...the light turned red, I went to > brake, > > NOT HARD mind you...and the front wheel > went...next > > thing I know I'm on the ground..but I knew it was > my > > -- > "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is > exactly what it is." > -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 10:32:21 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:31:28 -0400 To: Robert Prather From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Fwd: A friend of mine had an accident... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >One it was raining, two I didn't grab a "handful" of >brakes or shit on myself like some of you implied.. >the fucking front wheel just tucked... Plain and >simple... Ok, it was raining and the front end "just tucked"....If you to lost the front end, it's YOUR FAULT. You didn't say there was any oil slicks or gravel or anything, so I'm going to assume it was just wet. Either your tires were bald, or you were riding to fast for conditions. Front ends don't "just tuck". When the front end gives out, that means you have exceeded the front tire's available traction. This is caused by cornering too aggressively for a given set of conditions, or getting off the gas and/or braking while cornering and (over)loading up the front end. This is plain motorcycle physics. If you fail to understand or recognize this, then you should not be on a motorcycle. (With or without a passenger!) Plain and simple. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 10:32:43 2001 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:32:55 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Robert Prather wrote: > > Bullshit about front wheels not tucking...You read any > racers interview after a race where they crashed and > you read it all the time... Shows how much you know... I think I'm beginning to see the problem here. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 10:36:20 2001 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:34:48 EDT Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... To: im_gone_41_r6@XXXXXX, the_penas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_26.190e7765.28996d88_boundary In a message dated 8/1/01 10:30:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, im_gone_41_r6@XXXXXX writes: > um I'll answer the questions you asked...as far as I > know there weren't any oil slicks, my front tire was > in good condition at the time, the front suspension > also was fine, I wasn't attempting to swerve, no. I > have a R6 and my brakes don't feel grabby...I wasn't > countersteering or turning the handle bars I was just > trying to stop the bike. as for getting defensive I > apologize...its just the first time I've had people > attack me or say the accident with the truck driver > was my fault... everyone else I spoke to except the > cop and the truck driver's insurance adjuster says it > was his fault.... The cop gave me tickets without even > getting a statement from me OR my side of the story... > Does that sound legit??? > No it doesn't. Obviously it's totally one sided. If it was wet out...then he won't have skid marks. If the officer doesn't have those...and there aren't any real corroborrating witnesses...then I'd say it was the truck driver's fault. (The guy's insurance adjuster is always going to say it's your fault...so you won't sue.) Get a lawyer, threaten to sue, get the tickets thrown out. Simple huh? :) --part1_26.190e7765.28996d88_boundary In a message dated 8/1/01 10:30:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
im_gone_41_r6@XXXXXX writes:


um I'll answer the questions you asked...as far as I
know there weren't any oil slicks, my front tire was
in good condition at the time, the front suspension
also was fine, I wasn't attempting to swerve, no.  I
have a R6 and my brakes don't feel grabby...I wasn't
countersteering or turning the handle bars I was just
trying to stop the bike. as for getting defensive I
apologize...its just the first time I've had people
attack me or say the accident with the truck driver
was my fault... everyone else I spoke to except the
cop and the truck driver's insurance adjuster says it
was his fault.... The cop gave me tickets without even
getting a statement from me OR my side of the story...
Does that sound legit???


No it doesn't.  Obviously it's totally one sided.  If it was wet out...then
he won't have skid marks.  If the officer doesn't have those...and there
aren't any real corroborrating witnesses...then I'd say it was the truck
driver's fault.  (The guy's insurance adjuster is always going to say it's
your fault...so you won't sue.)  Get a lawyer, threaten to sue, get the
tickets thrown out.  Simple huh?  :) --part1_26.190e7765.28996d88_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 10:37:35 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 07:37:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Prather Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was on a country road, not in a suburb and we were not flying by people's driveways. I'm not that crazy nor disrespectful... --- Brian Roach wrote: > > This is a fun thread :) > > About front end tucking: > > Yep, we tuck the front on the race track all the > time. I did it 2 weeks > ago at Summit Point in T5, and at Road A last year > in T10a. It never "just > tucks". It does so because the amount of lateral > force being applied to > the front tire exceeds the amout of grip available. > This is either > because: > > A) Trailing the brakes (or still using the brakes) > while initiating the > turn. If you're using the brakes, weight is > transferred to the front > suspension. Simple matter of weight + lateral force > overcoming > available traction. The last two times I tucked the > front... this is why > it happened. > > B) Too agressive of turn-in. At the moment of turn > in, when the bike snaps > over, adhesion loses to weight and momentum. Have > never had this happen > but I've seen the factory guys do it on TV. > > C) Carrying more cornerspeed than the front tire can > handle. See > above. Never been able to corner faster than my bike > can. > > D) Dragging the engine cases causes front end to be > levered of the > ground. Ditto... never happened to me, and usually > this is only a problem > on older bikes with less ground clearance than new > ones have. > > E) Surface condition... oil, sand, etc. Avoiding > these is key. > > As for speeding... 70mph in a 35 zone is the same as > 110mph in a 55 > percentage wise. Of course, in a 35 there's usually > driveways, blind > corners, people walking their dogs, etc, etc. Not > really a great idea to > be going that fast. Without seeing the situation > myself I'm not going to > pass any judgement on anyone, but if you were in the > neighborhood of 20+ > over the limit approaching someone's driveway... I'd > have a hard time > finding fault in the other driver... that's a pretty > bad situation. > > - Roach > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 10:41:54 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:36:14 -0400 To: Robert Prather From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Fwd: A friend of mine had an accident... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Ok, it was raining and the front end "just tucked"....I Eh, sorry kids....I didn't read ahead and see that 5 people said the same thing I did. -sj- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 10:44:26 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:44:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Helmet visor moves Greetings all, I was going to write a brief history for people to snigger at the new guy, but I'll keep it short ;) Having passed my MSF course, and gotten the CB-750 K4 to stop leaking oil, major maintenance, etc, I've managed to ride it about 200 miles and have just now gotten onto a highway this week to really take it up to speed [ie 65 mph on rt 70] My only comment is "what an amazing amount of wind there is at that speed compared to 40mph on local streets!" I now see the reason behind some people's complaints that the basic course doesn't prepare people enough for highway usage at high speeds. It was a little intimidating, but it's just a matter of practice from here, I'm sure. My question - at that speed, if I do a head check [ie to change lanes] - my visor flips up [full face HJC-5]. I assume that the wind is coming up under my chin and flipping the it up. How do I stop this from happening? Get some sort of cover for the chin area? Adjust my head-turning motion as to not allow wind to get in? Is something 'wrong' with my helmet that is isn't capable of keeping shut? Before I start commuting daily, I'd like to not have to worry about ripping my head off when I look over my shoulder ;) Erick From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 10:47:11 2001 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:48:05 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Robert Prather Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Rather than assign "fault", I think it's fair to say that your accident falls into the "avoidable" category. You've admitted you don't know how fast you were going. And if you don't know, you certainly could've been going "too fast". So there's one contributing factor right there. Had you been traveling at a "reasonable speed" for the conditions, (a) maybe the truck might have seen you and not pulled out (someone else has already pointed this out) and/or (b) you would've seen the truck in plenty of time and had plenty of room to safely brake. Not being a cop or a lawyer, I can't honestly tell you who is at "fault" in your particular situation. Certainly, it would be a little more clear-cut if we were talking about an intersection where you had a green light and he had a red or where you didn't have a stop sign and he did. But as I recall, he was pulling out of a driveway onto the road, right? For sure, he ought to be looking for and yielding to traffic on the road before pulling out. But if he's already pulled out onto the road and you come up on him because you might be travelling above the speed limit, well I don't what the story is in that situation. I suppose you could argue that he's expected to look for and yield to traffic that's travelling at the speed limit and that it's not his fault if someone is travelling in excess of the speed limit (especially if it's possible that you might have been going twice the limit). And probably the determining factor will be whether the truck was already out on the road and you just came up on it too fast and weren't paying attention (and maybe this is what the truck driver told the cops) or whether you were just riding along and the truck pulled out in front of you. Both scenarios could yield the same result. Cops can give tickets for whatever they want. Should they have gotten your side of the story? Probably. Would that have changed anything? Maybe. Maybe not ... especially if they have a "hard on" for motorcycles and if there has been a previous history of similar accidents on that road or in the general area. What matters now is that you have to be able to prove in a court of law that the accident wasn't your fault and that you couldn't have reasonably been expected to avoid it (i.e., you had right of way, were driving in a safe manner, and the truck pulled out so that there's no way you could've stopped or swerved in time). Get yourself a lawyer. Find witnesses. Go back to the accident scene and take pictures. Robert Prather wrote : > > apologize...its just the first time I've had people > attack me or say the accident with the truck driver > was my fault... everyone else I spoke to except the > cop and the truck driver's insurance adjuster says it > was his fault.... The cop gave me tickets without even > getting a statement from me OR my side of the story... > Does that sound legit??? -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 10:52:28 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:47:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Hey, guys....I think the "front-end-tucking-in-the-wet" story is a different one from when he hit the truck....I think the "wet" crash was the one with his girlfriend on the back. (!) -sj- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 10:55:36 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 07:55:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... To: SKeener2@XXXXXX, im_gone_41_r6@XXXXXX, the_penas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/1/01 10:30:44 AM Eastern Daylight > Time, > im_gone_41_r6@XXXXXX writes: > > > > um I'll answer the questions you asked...as far as I > > know there weren't any oil slicks, my front tire was > > in good condition at the time, the front suspension > > also was fine, I wasn't attempting to swerve, no. I > > have a R6 and my brakes don't feel grabby...I wasn't > > countersteering or turning the handle bars I was just > > trying to stop the bike. as for getting defensive I > > apologize...its just the first time I've had people > > attack me or say the accident with the truck driver > > was my fault... everyone else I spoke to except the > > cop and the truck driver's insurance adjuster says it > > was his fault.... The cop gave me tickets without even > > getting a statement from me OR my side of the story... > > Does that sound legit??? > > > > No it doesn't. Obviously it's totally one sided. If it > was wet out...then he won't have skid marks. If the > officer doesn't have those...and there aren't any real > corroborrating witnesses...then I'd say it was the truck > driver's fault. (The guy's insurance adjuster is always > going to say it's your fault...so you won't sue.) Get a > lawyer, threaten to sue, get the tickets thrown out. > Simple huh? :) he better beat the tickets in court or his chances of winning the insurance battle are shot. get a frederick county attorney. come to court with witnesses, if any, who saw the truck fail to yield. dress appropriately and, if your lawyer allows you to open your mouth, speak like a respectable individual. has the rider in question made a statement to the police? the substance of any statement made will likely be determinative of the outcome. ===== tg For quality legal services at reasonable rates, check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 10:56:45 2001 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:57:43 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Erick Singley Subject: Re: Helmet visor moves Erick, Assuming your helmet visor is completely closed, it should NOT flip up when you turn your head ... regardless of what speed you're going. Now if your visor is slightly cracked open, this can definitely happen. %^) But it sounds like the ratcheting mechanism that locks the visor in place isn't working problem. Could be the helmet itself. Could be the visor. Could be that the visor isn't attached properly to the helmet. If it's a new helmet, take it back to where you bought it (hopefully not the infamous PowerRide) and have them look at it and replace if necessary. You can always send it back to the manufacturer, but that would leave you helmet-less. Since it's an HJC, it's not the most expensive kit so in the worst case scenario you can just go buy yourself another one. Chuck Erick Singley wrote : > > My question - at that speed, if I do a head check [ie to change > lanes] - my visor flips up [full face HJC-5]. I assume that the > wind is coming up under my chin and flipping the it up. How do I > stop this from happening? Get some sort of cover for the chin area? > Adjust my head-turning motion as to not allow wind to get in? Is > something 'wrong' with my helmet that is isn't capable of keeping > shut? Before I start commuting daily, I'd like to not have to worry > about ripping my head off when I look over my shoulder ;) -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 11:30:10 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Sean Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: friend had an accident Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:29:13 -0700 On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:33:47 -0400, you wrote: |>>Ah yes.. the typical psychopathic (look up the clinical definition |>>billy) |> |>I knew the definition of "psychopathic", but I thought I'd double |>check in case it meant something other than what I thought it did. It Did you look up the definition or CLINICAL defintion? where did you check? |>didn't. That being said, I don't remember the inestimable Mr. Huson |>saying anything "psychopathic". Psychopathy is typically |>characterized by aggressive, anti-social behavior. I've only met Bill he POSTED (not said) some b.s. and misrepresented events, as well as tried to insult both the skills and intelligence of the person being discussed. I'm sure bill has had "oops my fault accidents". I'm sure bill has challenged his buddies to races. I'm sure my friend could ride circles around bill. |>once, but judging by his behavior then and on this list, he does not |>in any way come close to the clinical definition of being Thank you for that evaulation dr. I said his post was psychopathic, not that I diagnosed him as one. I still dont' think you looked up the clinical definition either. |>"psychopathic". On to the rest of your drivel. |>*snip* (a lot) |>Blah, blah blah. I was really impressed by your ability to make the |>same basic points, using competely different language, 5 times in a |>row! Jeeze. Oh you caught that.. what was my point again? You being impressed was just the icing on the cake, because i'm pretty apathetic when it comes to "impressing" people. |>Otherwise, someone pass me a spoon in case he posts again....so I can |>gag myself before hand. Can you wait until I get a camcorder? I wouldn't mind video taping that! Danny touchee From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 11:35:29 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Wood, Sally" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:34:37 -0700 |>You've GOT to be kidding! "Get a lawyer" is good advice but what he really |>needs is some religion 'cause he's one lucky SoB for even surviving. I can |>see how this would happen but for him to be incredulous about it is absurd. |>Oh, and 'not too long ago' he dumped the bike complete w/ girlfriend on the |>back? Fuck that. You can defend him all you like but he's nothing but a |>menace. A lucky to be alive menace. Even worse than a cage! |> |>Has he, by any chance, considered taking the Motorcycle Safety Course? I guess you've never caused an accident? never have done anything dumb? Never sped when you shouldn't have? Never have sinned? Yet She who is without sin cast the first stone! There is your religion. Maybe you should find some, instead of stones : ) Danny From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 11:36:52 2001 From: Phil Simerly To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Let me introduce myself Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:30:25 -0400 Let me introduce myself here. Phil S. (HillJack) I have been riding motorcycles since I was 18 years old (1972 that make me old). I have owned 4 motorcycles in that time. 1972 Yamaha RD250 (Paid $599 New long gone) 1980 Yamaha XS400 (Basket In the barn) 1982 Yamaha XJ650 (For Sale) 1992 Kawasaki ZR750 (Sold) 2001 Harley-Davidson FLHTC (The Couch) Don't want to distract anyone from the all important "A friend of mine..." thread but, does anyone here ride a bagger or a touring bike. (I don't care if its not a Harley that don't mean shit to me) I would like to find some locals to go ride with in the N.VA area. Not that I don't like the sports bikes just that I have been there done that and have the t-shirt. Now anyone here mind me listing in on this group? HillJack EATW #1 ICQ #2014076 HillJack From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 11:38:25 2001 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:38:10 EDT Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... To: im_gone_41_r6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/01 10:39:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, im_gone_41_r6@XXXXXX writes: > I was on a country road, not in a suburb and we were > not flying by people's driveways. I'm not that crazy > nor disrespectful... OK...so give me a blow by blow description of the setting for the accident. I'd like to know the following...lighting conditions, weather conditions (light, medium, or heavy rain), road conditions (type of pavement), what was on the side of the road, how wide was the road, type of vehicle you hit (Color, condition, etc). Was it on a curve? How far ahead could you see? Keener From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 11:39:46 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 08:39:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Let me introduce myself To: Phil Simerly , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Welcome aboard! Plenty of cruisers on here. Come to BikeNight and say hello..... --- Phil Simerly wrote: > > Let me introduce myself here. > Phil S. (HillJack) I have been riding motorcycles > since I was 18 years old > (1972 that make me old). > I have owned 4 motorcycles in that time. > 1972 Yamaha RD250 (Paid $599 New long gone) > 1980 Yamaha XS400 (Basket In the barn) > 1982 Yamaha XJ650 (For Sale) > 1992 Kawasaki ZR750 (Sold) > 2001 Harley-Davidson FLHTC (The Couch) > > Don't want to distract anyone from the all important > "A friend of mine..." > thread but, > does anyone here ride a bagger or a touring bike. (I > don't care if its not a > Harley that don't mean shit to me) > I would like to find some locals to go ride with in > the N.VA area. > Not that I don't like the sports bikes just that I > have been there done that > and have the t-shirt. > Now anyone here mind me listing in on this group? > > HillJack > EATW #1 ICQ #2014076 > HillJack > ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 11:45:25 2001 Subject: RE: Helmet visor moves From: "sdave@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:43:38 -0400 To: "singley@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Greetings all, Greetings, Erick I was going to write a brief history for people to snigger at the new guy, but I'll keep it short ;) Having passed my MSF course, and gotten the CB-750 K4 to stop leaking oil, major maintenance, etc, I've managed to ride it about 200 miles and have just now gotten onto a highway this week to really take it up to speed [ie 65 mph on rt 70] My only comment is "what an amazing amount of wind there is at that speed compared to 40mph on local streets!" No fairing protection. you'll grow accustomed to it. You may want to consider ear plugs. They cut down on the wind noise, but you can still hear significant noise. I now see the reason behind some people's complaints that the basic course doesn't prepare people enough for highway usage at high speeds. It was a little intimidating, but it's just a matter of practice from here, I'm sure. and sound judgement. My question - at that speed, if I do a head check [ie to change lanes] - my visor flips up [full face HJC-5]. I've never heard of that happening... Usually, when I get up to a certain speed, my visor will close by itself - but not open... sounds like a problem with the latch mechanism. You could try keeping your head down a little as you make your head check.. HTH Dave Yates -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 11:47:54 2001 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:46:09 -0400 From: "Randy Moran" To: Cc: Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... I'd just like to chime in here, 'cause chiming in is my Thang. First, as to the incident with the truck: It sounds like that one is on you, Robert. From everything you've said, you were going well above the speed limit and approached the driveway in question from around a blind turn. That is just plain dumb and you are lucky you aren't dead. I'm not going to say that I haven't done the same thing over the course of my motorcycling career, but apparently I'm luckier than you are. Those are the breaks. Blaming the guy in the truck is the worst kind of attitude to take. My advice, since your buddy asked: realize what you did wrong, don't do it again. On to my next brilliant point: In one of your first messages to the list, you complained that we on the list were attacking you and asked rhetorically, "(are we) supposed to stand by each other???" Well, yes and no. I figure a motorcyclist should defend a fellow motorcyclist if his/her position is defensible. Yours ain't. In that case, then, a motorcyclist's duty is confront his/her fellow motorcyclist with the facts. So I will. You were going too fast. You almost got killed. You could have killed someone else. Slow that rocket down, cowboy! You are not doing anyone here a favor by driving around like an idiot on fire, t-boning trucks and then blaming the driver for pulling out in front of you. All everyone else (i.e., the car people) sees is a reckless, belligerent biker and "wouldn't it just be better if we just banned those damn motorbikes to begin with?" Now, about the crashing in the wet (a separate incident, which I think some on the list may have confused with the truck thingy). Your description makes this sound like a classic case of getting on powerful brakes too quickly. Even when the bike is straight up and down, slowing/stopping in the wet is a tricky thing. Here are some hints; when you can, use engine braking prior to getting on the binders. This allows weight to transfer to the front, which in turn allows you to get on the brakes with more force (smoothly, of course). Also, the addition of the passenger's weight can both help and hinder your stopping. It can help in that it will allow you to use the back brake with less fear of locking (what causes the back to lock up is the absence of weight necessary to keep the back wheel rolling against the braking force). It can hinder in that now you have more weight to stop. Now, if you weren't on the brakes at all when you crashed with your girlfriend on the back while riding around in the rain, then it's possible that got into a turn a little to quickly for your own comfort, let off the throttle (even slightly will do it, depending on the lean angle), thereby loading up the front end beyond its traction limit for the conditions. It's easy to do, I've done it, and I've seen people (on this list even) do it. The difference is that they figured out what they did wrong and took steps (i.e., practice and education) to ensure that they won't do it again. As a final blab, I would also like to discourage your bringing up what racers do as a sort of justification for your own riding incidents/difficulties. For the most part, the racers whose interviews you read are highly paid professionals riding perfectly prepared machines at their limit on closed circuits. What they do has nothing to do with what you do. Many of them do not ride on the street at all because they consider it too dangerous. That should tell you something. Ride safe, use your head. Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 12:02:17 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Dave" Cc: Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:01:24 -0700 I have to agree with dave. First let me say, about the menacing part.. dude you did 70 mph where a driveway was present. That is dangerous. Not that i'm saying i'm not dangerous, but you know I do my speeding on the highway, without intersections or driveways, parked cars, kids, etc. yet I won't argue if someone calls me a menace.. there is always the chance that something weird would happen, (pothole, animal, tree falling, whatever), that will take me off the bike, and sending it speeding uncontrolably in any direction at tripple digits.. that is menacing.. call us guilty. no contest. Now more importantly... agreeing with him as 1. You should learn from your mistakes/accidents. 2. any accident that coudl have been avoided, is a persons own fault. (from a motorcyclist safety point of view). - like when that cager cut me off and hit me, had I been riding a little more extra paranoid, I could have avoided her "menacing accident" by not being so close to her. Basicly my philosophy to safe motorcycling is, you have to not only ride taking in your own decisions and choices for safety, but those for all the vehicles around you too. Typical example is the vehicle that looks lke it's about to pull out.. you ride not expecting him to stay, but expecting him to pull out.. you slow down.. it's your fault if you assume they wont' violate the law and cream you. or a week ago i went around a bend and hit a pot hole.. I wasn't going too fast.. I just didnt' see it.. however.. I should have been riding in a manner/attention where I did see it. I wasn't speeding.. I guess I just wasn't scanning the road good enough. (it was at night and it looked smaller).. |>> the fucking front wheel just tucked... Plain and |>> simple... |> |>Front wheels dont just tuck. Plain and simple. When you adopt that attitude |>you fail to learn from your mistakes. A good rider will look at what he or |>she could have done different and not blame it on some mystery force. he's right.. I've had a front wheel tuck.. had the front wheel just grabbed and not tucked Iwould have been fine.. however I applied too much force for the given road. The front wheel just didn't tuck, it was my fault. (gravel) That is partly the situation when I got cut off/hit.. now I do pretty good endos.. but I was going to be damned if I were to tuck my front end for that lady then act like it was m fault.. I applied maximum braking, but I wasn't about to try an endo where I couldn't preview the road... so I did as much braking as I could without tucking the front end or endo'ing... |>>but I'm a |>> menace...what the fuck ever.... |> |>According to Danny you told him that you were going 30 to 35 mph over the |>speed limit. On public roads I would consider that a menace. I won't do that in residential areas... but if you find me a straight away road going through a field or something... with a long enough stretch.. yea.. I'll do 120 in a 35. Sometimes the speed limit is too low. However in this particular case.. obviously it is not too low, so ignore this :) Danny From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 12:11:06 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Jon Strang" Cc: Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:10:14 -0700 thank you. I think all those who replied condescendingly have been guilty of their own accusations.. so they should save the condescending attutide, and smart remarks, and just offer the positive ideas of what they really meant to say. |>A quick show of hands: Who on this list has never been a menace by this |>definition? |> |>--jon |>A Public Menace. |>'01 Suzuki Bandit 1200 (black and nekkid) From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 12:18:29 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Brian Roach Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:17:33 -0700 |>This is a fun thread :) yep! it also gets the prudes vs non prudes going at each other.. that's always fun.. wether it be the helmet or gun threads but anyway I've been riding 2 years. My friend has been riding a year or two.. of course he's got things to learn. We all do. Even the almighty condescenders.. and i don't care how many years they've been riding... and I know darn well they were making mistakes and had things to learn a year or two into thier riding. I don't object to a stern talking to.. and especially dont' object to education.. I do object to the insults though. No one person is above any other. My appreiciation and thanks goes out to those who responded in an adult manner! :) Danny From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 12:23:01 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Robert Prather Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:22:08 -0700 I woudln't be surprised if there were vehicular chemicals mixed in the rainwater.. That is the #1 spot for a vehicle to leak, at a stop light. when it comes to rain, i will engine brake waaaay ahead of the light, (in the same gear) so that when i get to the light, I can be at a speed where i can use my rear brake, without the rear wheel fish tailing.. Danny From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 12:31:36 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Robert Prather Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:30:44 -0700 OH yea, I forgot to write.. the driver of the truck was an older gentleman... Robert says the guy seemed like.. the not so focusing type.. if you catch my drift.. Danny From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 12:33:57 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:33:05 -0700 On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:39:41 -0400, you wrote: |> |>OK ... ME. I can honestly say that I have NEVER gone 30-35 over in a 35 |>mph zone. Now in a 55 or 65 mph zone, that's another story ... :-) Oh come on. Isn't it POSSIBLE you've gone down some back country roads where you knew there were no houses around..and could have been doing 70 mph... without knowing what the speed limit is? 70 mph is not really that fast if you're on a straight country road... Isn't it possible? Danny the defense rests From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 12:37:14 2001 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:36:59 EDT Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, jmstrang@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/01 12:11:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > thank you. I think all those who replied condescendingly have been > guilty of their own accusations.. so they should save the > condescending attutide, and smart remarks, and just offer the positive > ideas of what they really meant to say. OK...let's lay ot all out. The guy wrecked. Was it preventable....maybe....maybe not. Without us having seen it....there isn't any way to know for sure. I've e-mailed with the gentleman privately. He wasn't pissed off and ranting at folks who were yelling at him. He seemed lucid, had a good bit of detail about the scene. My read on it...he might have avoided it...maybe. I don't know if the turn was a blind turn. But given that according to his first hand description of the accident...he ended up tagging the trunk in the middle...while his bike was sitting on the center line. His entire lane was blocked by the truck and he was trying to avoid it. Hmmm....that smacks of somebody pulling out without looking. But it could also be excessive speed. It might also have been target fixation. In this case....I wasn't there. But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Obvously the cop didn't. (And didn't speak to him either.) Bad cop...no donut. :) Keener From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 12:37:24 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Gaske David G DLVA , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:36:31 -0700 That was a different accident, when it was raining dude. water will cut down on your availible traction... it seemed like it 'just tucked' for no reason.. however the answer is... more braking force was applied than was available traction... wether it be just water, oils, gravel or whatever, there was atleast water there, and maybe more stuff. However being the only entity with a thinking mind, one has to take that possibility into account and slow down way before you put yourself into that circumstance. On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:44:40 -0400 , you wrote: |>Give us all a break. Tires tuck in racing because they were pushing the |>limit. They don't tuck because they were riding along and, oh my, my front |>tire "tucked". Since it obviously wasn't your fault that it tucked, then |>whey did it? Tire pressure? Road Debris? Brakes grabbing to hard Please |>enlighten us all as to what super natural forces caused your tire to tuck. |>I'll be first in line to have a ouji board session to ride your bike and all |>bikes of their paranormal entities!!! |> |>David |>'00 Sprint RS (yellow) |>Fredericksburg, Va. USA From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 12:40:54 2001 From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: A friend of mine had an accident... Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:36:23 -0400 Daniel -- Not implying that I've never done anything wrong or stupid or haven't sinned. It's just that when I do something wrong/stupid/sinful (which is probably more often than not ;) ), I'm the first one to say "Damn, that was wrong/stupid and/or sinful!!" That's what I find incredible about this story. Not so much that it happened the way it did, but that you guys are so defensive about it. I would be interested to hear the outcome. Do keep us informed. Sally -----Original Message----- From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 2:35 PM To: Wood, Sally Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... |>You've GOT to be kidding! "Get a lawyer" is good advice but what he really |>needs is some religion 'cause he's one lucky SoB for even surviving. I can |>see how this would happen but for him to be incredulous about it is absurd. |>Oh, and 'not too long ago' he dumped the bike complete w/ girlfriend on the |>back? Fuck that. You can defend him all you like but he's nothing but a |>menace. A lucky to be alive menace. Even worse than a cage! |> |>Has he, by any chance, considered taking the Motorcycle Safety Course? I guess you've never caused an accident? never have done anything dumb? Never sped when you shouldn't have? Never have sinned? Yet She who is without sin cast the first stone! There is your religion. Maybe you should find some, instead of stones : ) Danny From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 12:42:50 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:42:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Dead Horse To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX WHACK! Whack whack whack whack whack! THUMP! WHACK! crunch thump whack thump WHACK! Whack whack whack whack whack! THUMP! WHACK! crunch thump whack thump WHACK! Whack whack whack whack whack! THUMP! WHACK! crunch thump whack thump WHACK! Whack whack whack whack whack! THUMP! WHACK! crunch thump whack thump WHACK! ===== Chris Weaver VTR1000 YSR50 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 12:43:52 2001 From: Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:41:18 -0400 Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 08/01/2001 12:41:27 PM Danny, I am not trying to come off as being in your "do-gooder" category, I have certainly had my share of youthful indescretions and close calls. BUT, let's be realistic here ... we are talking about DOUBLE the speed limit in a 35 zone. That is just plain outta bounds, and regardless of the hypotheticals you want to enter in the mix, it is significantly unsafe not only to yourself, but to others. Yes, I am sure there are 35 mph zones on the planet that would fit the criteria you are describing, but c'mon. --chris daniel_ex250@XXXXXX on 08/01/2001 03:33:05 PM To: Christopher Meier/US/ABAS/PwC@Americas-US dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:39:41 -0400, you wrote: |> |>OK ... ME. I can honestly say that I have NEVER gone 30-35 over in a 35 |>mph zone. Now in a 55 or 65 mph zone, that's another story ... :-) Oh come on. Isn't it POSSIBLE you've gone down some back country roads where you knew there were no houses around..and could have been doing 70 mph... without knowing what the speed limit is? 70 mph is not really that fast if you're on a straight country road... Isn't it possible? Danny the defense rests ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 12:44:12 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:40:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Dude, do you think you can wait 10 minutes and write one email instead of responding to every email one at a time?!??! Jesus-H-Christ on a pogo stick! Folks, forget about the spoon. The auto-gag reflex is working fine all by itself. -sj From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 12:45:06 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:45:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... To: SKeener2@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, jmstrang@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hmmmmmmm...someone pulling out without looking??? Around HERE!?? NEVER. I never ever see that. Ever. HUGE sarcasm implied. :-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: Hmmm....that smacks of > somebody pulling out > without looking. > Keener __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 12:46:41 2001 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:46:25 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dead Horse To: Cc: ROTFLMAO. Oh my God. That one actually made me fall outta my chair. Half the office just checked to make sure I was alright. LOL Scooter In a message dated Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:43:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Chris Weaver writes: > > > WHACK! Whack whack whack whack whack! THUMP! WHACK! > > crunch thump whack thump WHACK! Whack whack whack > > whack whack! THUMP! WHACK! crunch thump whack thump > > WHACK! Whack whack whack whack whack! THUMP! WHACK! > > crunch thump whack thump WHACK! Whack whack whack > > whack whack! THUMP! WHACK! crunch thump whack thump WHACK! > > > > ===== > > Chris Weaver > > VTR1000 YSR50 > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 12:48:29 2001 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:47:58 EDT Subject: Re: Dead Horse To: chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > WHACK! Whack whack whack whack whack! THUMP! WHACK! > crunch thump whack thump WHACK! Whack whack whack > whack whack! THUMP! WHACK! crunch thump whack thump > WHACK! Whack whack whack whack whack! THUMP! WHACK! > crunch thump whack thump WHACK! Whack whack whack > whack whack! THUMP! WHACK! crunch thump whack thump WHACK! Ya done missed a spot on that thar dead horse. Wanna try agin? From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 12:51:02 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:50:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Dead Horse >WHACK!......WHACK! Ah, that was a true gem! > >===== >Chris Weaver >VTR1000 YSR50 I don't recall ever having seen a VTR1000 YSR50.....but it sounds like a HELLUVA lot of fun!!!! -sj From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 12:51:16 2001 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:50:41 EDT Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... To: gingerdc9@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, jmstrang@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/01 12:45:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gingerdc9@XXXXXX writes: > Hmmmmmmm...someone pulling out without looking??? 1. Weaver's last post 2. Now this. Help...I've fallen and can't get up!! (I'm laughing too damn hard!!!!) Keener From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 12:51:32 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Erick Singley Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet visor moves Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:50:39 -0700 I have HJC's and they are notorious for that. I just got an AGV and i'm not used to it not flipping up yet. I do believe it is due to the large chin area and weak visor design. You could try stuffing a hankerchief or bandana in the chin area.. becareful to have it secured, because it could fly out from under the helmet one day... Or you could look back like the racers due.. Kind of like looking downard under your under arm (except on the outside fo your arm) and then look back up.. that is what i woudl do pretty often.. or when I would turn my head to look back for my slow friends, I would place my finger on the visor and ride with one hand until i turned my head back. I suggest you take it back and tell them to give you an HJC that doesn't do that or give you another helmet without taking the restocking fee. or you could buy that chin cover thing for like $30.. i always wanted one of those.. hjc has too much helmet noise too, due to that. plus i get debri in my eye from the stuff the win brings in.. plus it has helmet noise.. i'm starting not to like hjc.. of course my agv is even worse on windflow but.. it's comfy and the visor stays down. HJC should have closed that chin opening and just let people use anti fog stuff on the visor. hope this helps.. Danny From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 13:00:23 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Jeannette Cc: SKeener2@XXXXXX, jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:59:31 -0700 |>Hmmmmmmm...someone pulling out without looking??? |>Around HERE!?? NEVER. |>I never ever see that. Ever. |> |>HUGE sarcasm implied. :-) LOL yea and they never try to make right hand turns from the middle lane either! My bike just decided it wanted to hug the right side of that car and get naked from all it's fairings... because the car looked so cute.. yea that's it... yea.. we really pulled one over on the drivers insurance adjuster cuz they are sending me a check anyway! lucky me! :) Danny more sarcasm :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 13:09:22 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:08:30 -0700 |>Dude, do you think you can wait 10 minutes and write one email no. I didn't read that in the 'list rules'. sorry. |>instead of responding to every email one at a time?!??! why not respond to one at a time? you got a problem with attention to detail? when did you become the 'post nazi'? I didn't sign up with digest mode and I dind't want to. |>Jesus-H-Christ on a pogo stick! Jumpin Jesus? you got a wierd religion. |>Folks, forget about the spoon. The auto-gag reflex is working fine |>all by itself. well I take comfort in the thought in knowing if anyone is gagging, it is you ! Danny there is always the ignore/killfile option From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 13:10:40 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Chris Weaver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dead Horse Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:09:48 -0700 I'm selling whips for $3 !!! As you can see mine works just fine! On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:42:48 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>WHACK! Whack whack whack whack whack! THUMP! WHACK! From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 13:12:21 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:12:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: Dead Horse To: DC-Cycles I used to be into beastiality, S&M, and Necrophelia but it go to be like beating a dead horse. <:-P~~~~ > --- Chris Weaver wrote: > > WHACK! Whack whack whack whack whack! THUMP! > WHACK! > > crunch thump whack thump WHACK! Whack whack whack > > whack whack! THUMP! WHACK! crunch thump whack > thump > > WHACK! Whack whack whack whack whack! THUMP! > WHACK! > > crunch thump whack thump WHACK! Whack whack whack > > whack whack! THUMP! WHACK! crunch thump whack > thump > > WHACK! > > > > ===== > > Chris Weaver > > VTR1000 YSR50 > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > > with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 13:32:13 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:31:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... --============_-1215435398==_ma============ >|>Dude, do you think you can wait 10 minutes and write one email > >no. I didn't read that in the 'list rules'. sorry. You must not be looking at the same list as me.....Section 5, article IX states....."Danny may not respond to every email individually. He must reply to them all at one time." > >instead of responding to every email one at a time?!??! > >why not respond to one at a time? Because it's dumb. If Microsoft operating systems can preemptively multitask, than you should be able to. > you got a problem with attention to >detail? Uh.....do you have a problem with Thousand Island Dressing? Who said anything about attention to detail? Who said anything about Thousand Island Dressing? NOBODY. Why bring it up? You're just trying to confuse the issue. Weak. Very weak. >when did you become the 'post nazi'? I think associating people who disagree with you as being a "Nazi" is in very poor taste indeed. If anything, it's fascism. But that sort of "attention to detail" is beyond you....especially since you're probably responding to the 20 posts before this. >I didn't sign up with >digest mode and I dind't want to. You obviously didn't want to use spell check either. Hey, technology is your friend. >|>Jesus-H-Christ on a pogo stick! > >Jumpin Jesus? you got a wierd religion. That's not religion. You didn't look up the "clinical" definition of "religion", did you. Also, try looking up the definition of "clinical' whilst you're at it. >|>Folks, forget about the spoon. The auto-gag reflex is working fine >|>all by itself. > >well I take comfort in the thought in knowing if anyone is gagging, it >is you ! You take pleasure in other people's pain? Wouldn't that make you a bit of a sadist? (Clinically speaking, of course.) >Danny >there is always the ignore/killfile option Sean there is always the ridicule/moronfile option tongue-in-cheek adj. Meant or expressed ironically or facetiously. -- Sincerely, Sean Jordan Macintosh Systems Analyst (703)-886-7661 UUNET Technologies A WORLDCOM Company --============_-1215435398==_ma============ Re: A friend of mine had an accident...
|>Dude, do you think you can wait 10 minutes and write one email
no.  I didn't read that in the 'list rules'. sorry.

You must not be looking at the same list as me.....Section 5, article IX states....."Danny may not respond to every email individually. He must reply to them all at one time."

>instead of responding to every email one at a time?!??!

why not respond to one at a time?

Because it's dumb. If Microsoft operating systems can preemptively multitask, than you should be able to.

 you got a problem with attention to
detail?

Uh.....do you have a problem with Thousand Island Dressing? Who said anything about attention to detail? Who said anything about Thousand Island Dressing? NOBODY. Why bring it up? You're just trying to confuse the issue. Weak. Very weak.

when did you become the 'post nazi'? 

I think associating people who disagree with you as being a "Nazi" is in very poor taste indeed. If anything, it's fascism. But that sort of "attention to detail" is beyond you....especially since you're probably responding to the 20 posts before this.

I didn't sign up with
digest mode and I dind't want to.

You obviously didn't want to use spell check either. Hey, technology is your friend.

|>Jesus-H-Christ on a pogo stick!

Jumpin Jesus? you got a wierd religion.


That's not religion. You didn't look up the "clinical" definition of "religion", did you. Also, try looking up the definition of "clinical' whilst you're at it.

|>Folks, forget about the spoon. The auto-gag reflex is working fine
|>all by itself.

well I take comfort in the thought in knowing if anyone is gagging, it
is you ! <G>

You take pleasure in other people's pain? Wouldn't that make you a bit of a sadist? (Clinically speaking, of course.)

Danny
there is always the ignore/killfile option

Sean
there is always the ridicule/moronfile option

tongue-in-cheek adj.
Meant or expressed ironically or facetiously.


--
Sincerely,

Sean Jordan
Macintosh Systems Analyst
(703)-886-7661
UUNET Technologies
A WORLDCOM Company
--============_-1215435398==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 13:37:22 2001 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:38:20 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: Sean Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dead Horse Chris' winter project is to stuff the engine from his VTR into the little YSR! %^) Sean Jordan wrote : > > I don't recall ever having seen a VTR1000 YSR50.....but it sounds > like a HELLUVA lot of fun!!!! -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 13:40:03 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:39:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Dead Horse >Chris' winter project is to stuff the engine from his VTR into the >little YSR! %^) Can we stuff that emoticon into the little YSR? :P -sj From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 13:42:06 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:42:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Dead Horse To: the_penas@XXXXXX, Sean Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Man, can you imagine the wheelies?!! --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Chris' winter project is to stuff the engine from > his VTR into the > little YSR! %^) ===== Chris Weaver VTR1000 YSR50 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 13:59:28 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:59:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: A friend of mine had an accident... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Let's all get realistic here. Most of us like going fast. It's one of the main things that draws us towards bikes. I mean come on, What's the first question a lot of people ask us? "How fast have you had it up to?" And a big grin comes across your face as you tell them the answer. Now there are limits too. Don't get me wrong. Rob said he was going 70 max, but if there are no skid marks, could he have really been going that fast around a blind corner? The important thing is everyone was okay. I think we all need to remember that we are invisible to those people in there cages and that when we are in cages to look extra long and hard for bikers. Steve '01 YZF600 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 14:01:40 2001 From: "Fisk, Euan" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Wanted: Honda Scooter Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:00:41 -0400 A friend wants to get a motor scooter. She's looking for something reliable over 50cc, which basically means a Honda Elite 80, 125, 150 or 250. Fixer-uppers are fine too since I'm a sucker for punishment, [or maybe just a sucker.] Anyway, thanks in advance for any leads. _____________________ Euan Fisk efisk@XXXXXX 202-329-5812 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 16:14:30 2001 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 16:15:30 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: DC Cycles Subject: Java Shack tonight A few of us (so far, me, George Cole, Gerald Hubbard, and Rich Pelletier) are planning to ride our m/c's to The Java Shack (in Arlington, 2507 N. Franklin St.) tonight and hang out for a bit. We'll be there around 7:30 or so if anyone else is interested in joining us. Chuck http://www.javashack.com -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 16:37:33 2001 From: "Lake, Susan" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: trip to NC Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:37:14 -0400 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11AC9.BF489C00 I know this is planning really far in advance but I am looking for someone to ride down with to Greensboro NC, September 27th and traveling back to the DC area on September 30th. Anyone game? Sue ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11AC9.BF489C00
I know this is planning really far in advance but I am looking for someone to ride down with to Greensboro NC, September 27th and traveling back to the DC area on September 30th.  Anyone game?
 
Sue 
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C11AC9.BF489C00-- --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 18:33:58 2001 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: Wanted: Honda Scooter Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:37:14 -0400 > A friend wants to get a motor scooter. She's looking for > something reliable over 50cc, which basically means a > Honda Elite 80, 125, 150 or 250 Check out the new Reflex - Yum!! Michael (not ashamed to lust after a scooter) J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 19:01:05 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:50:46 -0400 Subject: Finally, my long awaited debut . . . X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,8-10,12,14,16 From: Tom Fitzpatrick It seems like it took longer than one of my laps, but, this weekend VIR will witness the debut of the latest talent in the CCS stable of stars. Yes indeed, Celtic Racing's CEO and Chairman of the Board will be assuming the announcing duties for this weekends event. If you are going to be there, let me know and I will look out for you. If you have a resume and haven't sent it to me yet, or if you have updated your previous resume with this year's many accomplishments, shoot it my way by tomorrow night and I'll use it to brag on you. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com)* *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com)* *Nuts and Bolts Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX (www.nbracesites.com)* *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX)* From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 20:17:29 2001 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:11:17 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Phil Simerly CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Let me introduce myself Yeppers, I ride a bagger, `93 FLHS. No tail trunk or batwing fairing, just the basics. I live in Annandale, commute to Crystal City via scoot if it ain't pissing rain or butt-freezing cold. Except tommorrow, hop on the scoot in the AM and chug off for the Outer Banks for a looonnngg weekend. Bill Huson Phil Simerly wrote: > Let me introduce myself here. > Phil S. (HillJack) I have been riding motorcycles since I was 18 years old > (1972 that make me old). > I have owned 4 motorcycles in that time. > 1972 Yamaha RD250 (Paid $599 New long gone) > 1980 Yamaha XS400 (Basket In the barn) > 1982 Yamaha XJ650 (For Sale) > 1992 Kawasaki ZR750 (Sold) > 2001 Harley-Davidson FLHTC (The Couch) > > Don't want to distract anyone from the all important "A friend of mine..." > thread but, > does anyone here ride a bagger or a touring bike. (I don't care if its not a > Harley that don't mean shit to me) > I would like to find some locals to go ride with in the N.VA area. > Not that I don't like the sports bikes just that I have been there done that > and have the t-shirt. > Now anyone here mind me listing in on this group? > > HillJack > EATW #1 ICQ #2014076 > HillJack From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 20:50:36 2001 X-Apparently-From: From: "Suzookus Maximus" To: Subject: RE: A friend of mine had an accident... Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:49:19 -0400 >> >>From: "Jon Strang" >>To: >>Subject: RE: A friend of mine had an accident... >>Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:21:30 -0400 >>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 >>X-SLUIDL: 865E4DEF-85E411D5-8E150060-08C770E5 >> >>> >but I'm a >>> > menace...what the fuck ever.... >>> >>> According to Danny you told him that you were going 30 to 35 >>mph over the >>> speed limit. On public roads I would consider that a menace. >>> >>> Dave >> >>A quick show of hands: Who on this list has never been a menace by this >>definition? >> >>--jon >>A Public Menace. >>'01 Suzuki Bandit 1200 (black and nekkid) Geeeeezz 30 - 35 over in a 35mph!!! That's a menace!!! Should lock that guy up! :) They gotta places for hooligans like that. Let's be safe and keep it under 29 over... The insurance company don't call me semi-safe driver Suzookus "alledgely 64 in a 35" Maximus for nuttin. Jon -- for christ's sake put a fairing over that nekkid bike!!!!!!!!! :0 [LOL] -jeff ===== ->bikes: '00 GSX-R750, 01 SV650 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 20:58:29 2001 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:58:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulrich Boser Subject: gloves and glue To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX hello, i just bought new gloves - alpinestar SP1s, i believe. they were abt $50 and made out of kevlar and leather. now the strange thing, or at least i think so, is that they stick to the handles... does anyone have gloves that do this? my intial feeling is bad. any thoughts?? thanks, ulrich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 22:02:02 2001 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:02:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Let me introduce myself Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX At 08:11 PM 8/1/01, William J. Huson wrote: >Yeppers, I ride a bagger, `93 FLHS. No tail trunk or batwing fairing, >just the >basics. I live in Annandale, commute to Crystal City via scoot if it ain't >pissing rain or butt-freezing cold. Except tommorrow, hop on the scoot in the >AM and chug off for the Outer Banks for a looonnngg weekend. Bill, Where do you park, and what's the plate? I'm one of the herd that parks under Crystal Park 2. Thanks -- Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) '01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike) From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 22:07:53 2001 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: "'Lake, Susan'" , Subject: RE: trip to NC Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:07:08 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C11AD6.4F649580 What's in Greensboro on Sept. 27? Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Lake, Susan [mailto:SLake@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:37 PM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: trip to NC I know this is planning really far in advance but I am looking for someone to ride down with to Greensboro NC, September 27th and traveling back to the DC area on September 30th. Anyone game? Sue ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C11AD6.4F649580
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C11AD6.4F649580-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 22:19:27 2001 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:13:20 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Larry Larson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Let me introduce myself I park in the underground PMI lot off 20th, sort of under the Marriott. Plate... hmmm... VA tag 100sumpin, not a vanity tag, black Harley bagger, usually kinda dirty and buggy. Has a big red NOVA permit crammed in the windscreen. Bill Larry Larson wrote: > At 08:11 PM 8/1/01, William J. Huson wrote: > >Yeppers, I ride a bagger, `93 FLHS. No tail trunk or batwing fairing, > >just the > >basics. I live in Annandale, commute to Crystal City via scoot if it ain't > >pissing rain or butt-freezing cold. Except tommorrow, hop on the scoot in the > >AM and chug off for the Outer Banks for a looonnngg weekend. > > Bill, > > Where do you park, and what's the plate? I'm one of the herd that parks > under Crystal Park 2. > > Thanks -- Larry > '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco > '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) > '01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small > emergency backup bike) From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 1 23:21:29 2001 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Dead Horse Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:18:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:42:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Dead Horse To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX WHACK! Whack whack whack whack whack! THUMP! WHACK! crunch thump whack thump WHACK! Whack whack whack whack whack! THUMP! WHACK! crunch thump whack thump WHACK! Whack whack whack whack whack! THUMP! WHACK! crunch thump whack thump WHACK! Whack whack whack whack whack! THUMP! WHACK! crunch thump whack thump WHACK! ===== Chris Weaver VTR1000 YSR50 ------------------------------------------------------------------- You know Chris, I thought you were sinning there for a minute. Then I read the subject line. Ha ha. Todd (Springfield, VA). From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 02:02:56 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Sean Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A friend of mine ha ||| useless banter Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 01:59:23 -0700 |>You must not be looking at the same list as me.....Section 5, article |>IX states....."Danny may not respond to every email individually. He |>must reply to them all at one time." OH! Well I guess I better not pull over for the list cops! they might take me to list jail! : ) |>>why not respond to one at a time? |> |>Because it's dumb. A strong arguement! You have me swayed :) |> If Microsoft operating systems can preemptively multitask, than you should be able to. Are you sure it can? :) |>Uh.....do you have a problem with Thousand Island Dressing? Who said |>anything about attention to detail? Who said anything about Thousand |>Island Dressing? NOBODY. Why bring it up? You're just trying to |>confuse the issue. Weak. Very weak. I brought it up, because You missed some things. |>>when did you become the 'post nazi'? |> |>I think associating people who disagree with you as being a "Nazi" is |>in very poor taste indeed. If anything, it's fascism. But that sort |>of "attention to detail" is beyond you....especially since you're |>probably responding to the 20 posts before this. excuse me for breaking th posted limit too officer! Not poor taste. If you were good with the details you were noticing that you were TELLING me (or trying to) what to do and how to do it. And I guess you missed the sienfield soup nazi episode.. NO SOUP FOR YOU! |>You obviously didn't want to use spell check either. Hey, technology |>is your friend. Are you sure technology is my friend? I got this photo in the mail of my cadilac running a desolate red light with a $75 ticket.. I'd run spell check, but I'm kind of apathetic with such formalities here. |>>|>Jesus-H-Christ on a pogo stick! |>> |>>Jumpin Jesus? you got a wierd religion. |> |>That's not religion. You didn't look up the "clinical" definition of |>"religion", did you. Also, try looking up the definition of |>"clinical' whilst you're at it. Religion is not medical, however you're sidestepping the issue. You didn't look it up in a pscyhology book did you? The word psychopath has a whole new cannotation than what is the clinical definition. Even the dictionary may denote that improper cannotation. |>You take pleasure in other people's pain? Wouldn't that make you a |>bit of a sadist? (Clinically speaking, of course.) No I'm more of a textbook clinical psychopath myself... I dont' want to see anyone in pain except those who I believe deserve it for good reason (initiating violence). A sadist wouldn't care who got it. |>Sean |>there is always the ridicule/moronfile option Ah yes. you are keeping us all amused. cool. |>tongue-in-cheek adj. |>Meant or expressed ironically or facetiously. which cheek? I have a good idea where your head is at Danny just banter From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 07:38:48 2001 From: "Dave Yates" To: , "'Sean Jordan'" Cc: Subject: RE: A friend of mine ha ||| useless banter Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 07:42:31 -0400 Wow. Haven't read this much DCC mail since the Dick E. Anker flame fest ! ;-) |>You must not be looking at the same list as me.....Section 5, article |>IX states....."Danny may not respond to every email individually. He |>must reply to them all at one time." OH! Well I guess I better not pull over for the list cops! they might take me to list jail! : ) And you better have your digital certificate on you ! Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 08:35:25 2001 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 05:35:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: gloves and glue To: ulrich@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sounds like it has more to do with your grips being all gummed up from whatever your last gloves were. I suggest cleaning them with some rubbing alcohol or maybe brake cleaner. You could try this in small doses to your gloves too - maybe they have some sort of manufacturer's preservative on them. I wouldn't think it's dangerous though. Are you worried about being able to give the one-finger salute in time or about extricating yourself from the bike if/when it goes down? :^) Chris --- Ulrich Boser wrote: > hello, > > i just bought new gloves - alpinestar SP1s, i > believe. > they were abt $50 and made out of kevlar and > leather. > now the strange thing, or at least i think so, is > that > they stick to the handles... does anyone have gloves > that do this? my intial feeling is bad. any > thoughts?? ===== Chris Weaver VTR1000 YSR50 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 08:49:24 2001 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 05:49:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeremy Purdy Subject: Re: Nice Ducati Prices To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: t_gimer@XXXXXX, suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX PA Sales Tax is 6%. I haven't bought a vehicle in PA in a good long time, so I can't say about hidden fees. I am sure that your local AAA office could answer that question. Jeremy Purdy --- '00 Yamaha V-Star Classic - Jaede'en Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:27:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Nice Ducati Prices To: Suzookus Maximus , dc-cycles@XXXXXX nope. their prices appear to be excellent, but i don't know what pa. sales tax amounts to or what other hidden fees might surface in the buying process. save yourselves the trip and inquire first. i see used 748s relatively frequently in the post for cheap. i don't think the new model differs from that of a few years ago (unless they put an ohlins rear on the new model)....so it might be better to buy "used." "used" ducatis are often ultra-low mileage bikes. ===== tg From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 08:49:37 2001 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 05:49:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeremy Purdy Subject: Re: Let me introduce myself To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Welcome to the group. I am unfamiliar with the term 'bagger'. I am assuming it is another term for a cruiser. According to the results of a poll that I recently ran on this list, only 2 people on the list responded as to having a cruiser as their primary motorcycle. There were a bunch of touring bikes, however. That being said, I ride a cruiser and I have one or two off-list friends that I am sure could be convinced to join a group ride, as long as you don't mind the fact that I am a lot younger and a less experienced rider than you... Jeremy Purdy --- '00 Yamaha V-Star Classic - Jeade'en From: Phil Simerly To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Let me introduce myself Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:30:25 -0400 Let me introduce myself here. Phil S. (HillJack) I have been riding motorcycles since I was 18 years old (1972 that make me old). I have owned 4 motorcycles in that time. 1972 Yamaha RD250 (Paid $599 New long gone) 1980 Yamaha XS400 (Basket In the barn) 1982 Yamaha XJ650 (For Sale) 1992 Kawasaki ZR750 (Sold) 2001 Harley-Davidson FLHTC (The Couch) Don't want to distract anyone from the all important "A friend of mine..." thread but, does anyone here ride a bagger or a touring bike. (I don't care if its not a Harley that don't mean shit to me) I would like to find some locals to go ride with in the N.VA area. Not that I don't like the sports bikes just that I have been there done that and have the t-shirt. Now anyone here mind me listing in on this group? HillJack EATW #1 ICQ #2014076 HillJack From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 08:50:19 2001 From: "michael brocchi" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Service Shop Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 08:38:23 -0400 I remember seeing a message about a meeting on Monday evening, and although I was unable to attend. I was curious what, if anything, was discussed concerning the possibilities of a storage garage and/or a service shop. -Mike '00 Bandit _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 09:55:39 2001 Subject: RE: Let me introduce myself Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:49:11 -0400 From: "Phil Simerly" To: The term bagger refers to the fact the a motorcycle has saddle bags (hard or soft). As far as age and experience are concerned, toss'em both and go for common sense. Age has nothing to do with common sense but experienced rider are more prone to make mistakes from over confidence believe me I know an old fart who has 29 years of over confidence, err ah oh I mean experience. ;-) Be glad to go for a ride sometime. HillJack EATW #1 ICQ #2014076 2001 FLTCH (The Couch) -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Purdy [mailto:purdyjeremy@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 8:50 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Let me introduce myself Welcome to the group. I am unfamiliar with the term 'bagger'. I am assuming it is another term for a cruiser. According to the results of a poll that I recently ran on this list, only 2 people on the list responded as to having a cruiser as their primary motorcycle. There were a bunch of touring bikes, however. That being said, I ride a cruiser and I have one or two off-list friends that I am sure could be convinced to join a group ride, as long as you don't mind the fact that I am a lot younger and a less experienced rider than you... Jeremy Purdy --- '00 Yamaha V-Star Classic - Jeade'en From: Phil Simerly To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Let me introduce myself Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:30:25 -0400 Let me introduce myself here. Phil S. (HillJack) I have been riding motorcycles since I was 18 years old (1972 that make me old). I have owned 4 motorcycles in that time. 1972 Yamaha RD250 (Paid $599 New long gone) 1980 Yamaha XS400 (Basket In the barn) 1982 Yamaha XJ650 (For Sale) 1992 Kawasaki ZR750 (Sold) 2001 Harley-Davidson FLHTC (The Couch) Don't want to distract anyone from the all important "A friend of mine..." thread but, does anyone here ride a bagger or a touring bike. (I don't care if its not a Harley that don't mean shit to me) I would like to find some locals to go ride with in the N.VA area. Not that I don't like the sports bikes just that I have been there done that and have the t-shirt. Now anyone here mind me listing in on this group? HillJack EATW #1 ICQ #2014076 HillJack From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 10:01:13 2001 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:00:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "lisa@XXXXXX" To: dccycles Subject: riding poetry Does anyone still have copies of the riding poetry that people had posted within the past week? I want to show my barely computer literate coworker who rides. Lisa '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 10:10:32 2001 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:15:24 -0400 To: Jeremy Purdy From: Rob Winters Subject: "baggers" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 05:49 AM 8/2/2001 -0700, Jeremy Purdy wrote: >I am unfamiliar with the term 'bagger'. I am assuming >it is another term for a cruiser. A "bagger" is a touring bike; named for all the luggage. Sort of a Harley community term, methinks. I just sold my '98 FLHTPI, but I just picked up on an '83 Honda GL650i; if it works out well, I might be interested. Just leave me a map so I can catch up at the end of the day! ;-) /// Rob '96 Kawasaki Vulcan 1500L ("Fat Man"?) '83 Honda Silverwing Interstate ("Little Boy"?) '80 Honda CX500 Deluxe ("Parts"?) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 10:17:27 2001 From: Phil Simerly To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Summit Point and other stuff Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:11:01 -0400 I have been going to SummitPoint since the 70's for sports car races. I now go about 5 or 6 time a year as conner worker but I have never been there for a Motorcycle races. I noticed that someone was going this weekend. What days are the races this weekend. I have Sat. open and would like to go and play/work (I already got my whites and stuff) I have something planed for Sunday a short ride out to Bealeton, VA (near Warrenton, VA) for the Flying Circus its motorcycle day riders get in for free, you can check it out here http://www.flyingcircusairshow.com. Let me know if anyone would like to go and somebody let me know about summit point. Thanks HillJack EATW #1 ICQ #2014076 2001 FLHTC (The Couch) 1982 XJ650 (For Sale) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 10:41:40 2001 From: "Natasha Louis" To: Phil_Simerly@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point and other stuff Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:29:52 -0400 Friday, all day practice Saturday, practice in morning and 6-hour National Endurance Series race in afternoon Sunday - practice in morning and sprint races in afternoon >From: Phil Simerly >To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" >Subject: Summit Point and other stuff >Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:11:01 -0400 > >I have been going to SummitPoint since the 70's for sports car races. >I now go about 5 or 6 time a year as conner worker but I have never been >there for a Motorcycle races. >I noticed that someone was going this weekend. >What days are the races this weekend. I have Sat. open and would like to go >and play/work (I already got my whites and stuff) >I have something planed for Sunday a short ride out to Bealeton, VA (near >Warrenton, VA) for the Flying Circus its motorcycle day riders get in for >free, you can check it out here http://www.flyingcircusairshow.com. >Let me know if anyone would like to go and somebody let me know about >summit >point. >Thanks >HillJack >EATW #1 ICQ #2014076 >2001 FLHTC (The Couch) >1982 XJ650 (For Sale) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 10:43:24 2001 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:43:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: Helmet visor moves Ah Ha! Thanks for all who said "That's not right" - I rechecked the visor, and yup, I had missed seeing a clear plastic tab that holds the thing firmly against a notched area designed to 'ratchet' the visor rather than let it swing freely. Once it gets older, and starts doing it again, I'll keep the duct-tape/replacement/ different model suggestions in mind! As for noise/wind I've got ear-plugs and a friend with an old slightly- cracked fairing - and I'll try the bandanna up the chin-hole idea too. It just took me by surprise and now I'll know to anticipate that... Things going well, I think I'll try to start commuting tomorrow... Erick (74' CB-750) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 10:49:41 2001 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 07:42:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Non-Moto: Any PHP programmers out there. To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX My company needs a PHP programmer for an urgent 2-4 week job. Email me immediately if you know someone. Thanks Mark Kitchell ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 10:51:22 2001 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:48:01 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point and other stuff Glad to hear the Flying Circus has rescheduled their motorcycle day. Sunday should be a beautiful day so I'll either be heading there or to the mountains. Hugh From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 11:02:04 2001 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:01:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Summit Point and other stuff From: Rob Curtis To: Phil Simerly , I'll be heading up Saturday, bright and early. Leaving NoVa around 0530 for a 0700 safety meeting. Rob on 8/2/01 10:11, Phil Simerly at Phil_Simerly@XXXXXX wrote: > I have been going to SummitPoint since the 70's for sports car races. > I now go about 5 or 6 time a year as conner worker but I have never been > there for a Motorcycle races. > I noticed that someone was going this weekend. > What days are the races this weekend. I have Sat. open and would like to go > and play/work (I already got my whites and stuff) > I have something planed for Sunday a short ride out to Bealeton, VA (near > Warrenton, VA) for the Flying Circus its motorcycle day riders get in for > free, you can check it out here http://www.flyingcircusairshow.com. > Let me know if anyone would like to go and somebody let me know about summit > point. > Thanks > HillJack > EATW #1 ICQ #2014076 > 2001 FLHTC (The Couch) > 1982 XJ650 (For Sale) > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 11:05:33 2001 From: Phil Simerly To: "'Rob Curtis'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Summit Point and other stuff Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:59:01 -0400 Is that a workers meeting or a drivers meeting? And were you at in NoVA. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Curtis [mailto:rcurtis@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 11:02 AM To: Phil Simerly; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point and other stuff I'll be heading up Saturday, bright and early. Leaving NoVa around 0530 for a 0700 safety meeting. Rob on 8/2/01 10:11, Phil Simerly at Phil_Simerly@XXXXXX wrote: > I have been going to SummitPoint since the 70's for sports car races. > I now go about 5 or 6 time a year as conner worker but I have never been > there for a Motorcycle races. > I noticed that someone was going this weekend. > What days are the races this weekend. I have Sat. open and would like to go > and play/work (I already got my whites and stuff) > I have something planed for Sunday a short ride out to Bealeton, VA (near > Warrenton, VA) for the Flying Circus its motorcycle day riders get in for > free, you can check it out here http://www.flyingcircusairshow.com. > Let me know if anyone would like to go and somebody let me know about summit > point. > Thanks > HillJack > EATW #1 ICQ #2014076 > 2001 FLHTC (The Couch) > 1982 XJ650 (For Sale) > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 11:57:27 2001 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:06:07 -0400 From: "Randy Moran" To: Subject: Re: Summit Point and other stuff I'll be up early on Saturday morning. I'll be riding in the 6-hour with Steve Clark and Mark Morrow. Anyone interested in helping an endurance team in the pit can drop me a line or look us up early Saturday. The bike is an SV650, expert plate #16. I hope everyone has a good weekend. Ride safely! Randy From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 11:58:06 2001 From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Leather Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:46:16 +0000 Hey all, Does anyone know a good place to get a good buy on leather? I'm upgrading from an older Aviator jacket to an actual riding coat. I'm tall so I need a tall size. I have been to Powersports (I know, I know) and some local shops. Wilsons at Potomac mills has a pretty good selection for tall sizes but a lot of their products do not have removable liners. Any tips or links? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 12:05:24 2001 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:05:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Summit Point and other stuff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'll be up there from Saturday morning through the weekend. I'll be racing my YSR in the exhibition race on Sunday. I'm EARA #24 (blue bike, yellow numbers). I'll be driving my green cargo van w/ white bumpers. Chris Weaver ===== Chris Weaver VTR1000 YSR50 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 12:06:08 2001 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:05:24 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point and other stuff To: Phil_Simerly@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/2/01 10:26:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Phil_Simerly@XXXXXX writes: > What days are the races this weekend. I have Sat. open and would like to go > and play/work (I already got my whites and stuff) I believe that the 6 hour endurance race is on Saturday. I'm sure that they will need cornerworkers....especially after the 3rd hour or so. :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 12:11:40 2001 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:11:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Summit Point and other stuff To: SKeener2@XXXXXX, Phil_Simerly@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not to mention scorekeepers & pit crew. By all means, come up on Saturday and get your hands dirty. :^) Chris --- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > I believe that the 6 hour endurance race is on > Saturday. I'm sure that they > will need cornerworkers....especially after the 3rd > hour or so. :) ===== Chris Weaver VTR1000 YSR50 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 12:19:15 2001 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:17:44 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point and other stuff To: chris_vtr@XXXXXX, Phil_Simerly@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/2/01 12:11:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, chris_vtr@XXXXXX writes: > Not to mention scorekeepers & pit crew. By all means, > come up on Saturday and get your hands dirty. :^) Wish I could...but I'll be leaving for VIR in a few hours. :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 12:37:27 2001 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:37:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Knapik Subject: Re: Leather To: Adam Wah , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Go to Cycle Accessory Discounters, 429E Diamond Ave, Gaithersburg (301-977-7188) What they don't have, they'll order for you. They've always been friendly, helpful and had good prices. And, no, I don't work for them... ;-0) Tom Knapik '01 FXSTBI --- Adam Wah wrote: > Hey all, > Does anyone know a good place to get a good buy > on leather? I'm > upgrading from an older Aviator jacket to an actual > riding coat. I'm tall > so I need a tall size. I have been to Powersports > (I know, I know) and some > local shops. Wilsons at Potomac mills has a pretty > good selection for tall > sizes but a lot of their products do not have > removable liners. > > Any tips or links? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 12:53:19 2001 From: "Blake S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: riding poetry Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:41:58 -0600 Rain Sucks, by Rob Curtis Rain Rain Go away, You're screwing up my cycling day, you've made me so bored, I'm watching raindrops fall outside, While surfing the web for parts I can't afford, Daydreaming about a nonexistent ride. I'd rather be on the twisties hitting the throttle, Instead I guess I'll hit the couch and grab a bottle. Rain's Great Rain, rain come on down, Don't tempt me out to ride around. Give me instead the time to work On Priller lights and 'Ceptor plugs, Suzuki pipes and other bugs That I've ignored cause I'm a jerk Who'd normally forgo these tasks To braap and lean and burn up gas. -- Larry here you go.. Blake _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 12:57:14 2001 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:57:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Prather Subject: Fwd: Leather To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX --0-1577408074-996771431=:41867 If you don't mind buying online go to www.kneedraggers.com You won't find gear cheaper any place else. Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --0-1577408074-996771431=:41867 X-Apparently-To: im_gone_41_r6@XXXXXX via web14301.mail.yahoo.com; 02 Aug 2001 08:58:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Track: 1: 40 From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Leather Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:46:16 +0000 Content-Length: 541 Hey all, Does anyone know a good place to get a good buy on leather? I'm upgrading from an older Aviator jacket to an actual riding coat. I'm tall so I need a tall size. I have been to Powersports (I know, I know) and some local shops. Wilsons at Potomac mills has a pretty good selection for tall sizes but a lot of their products do not have removable liners. Any tips or links? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --0-1577408074-996771431=:41867-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 13:10:42 2001 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:10:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: Leather To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've been dealing with these folks. You can even call them and discuss sizes abd stuff. http://www.newenough.com/ Trey --- Tom Knapik wrote: > Go to Cycle Accessory Discounters, 429E Diamond Ave, > Gaithersburg (301-977-7188) What they don't have, > they'll order for you. They've always been > friendly, > helpful and had good prices. And, no, I don't work > for them... ;-0) > > Tom Knapik > '01 FXSTBI > --- Adam Wah wrote: > > Hey all, > > Does anyone know a good place to get a good > buy > > on leather? I'm > > upgrading from an older Aviator jacket to an > actual > > riding coat. I'm tall > > so I need a tall size. I have been to Powersports > > (I know, I know) and some > > local shops. Wilsons at Potomac mills has a > pretty > > good selection for tall > > sizes but a lot of their products do not have > > removable liners. > > > > Any tips or links? > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 13:32:38 2001 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:33:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: selling a 1500cc metric cruiser 1996 Kawasaki Vulcan 1500L, 31K, purple, drag bars, spoke wheels, leather saddlebags, windscreen, torque monster, very clean, $3,800 I just recently purchased this bike from the original owner, who had it regularly dealer-serviced, not being mechanically-inclined himself. He's moved on to a new GoldWing. It's a lot of metric cruiser for the money. Water-cooled, so it's fine in summer traffic. Goes fast, stops fast. It's my current daily ride. I just bought the Kaw service manual and the supplement, which I'll include. I also bought the nicer set of Kaw floorboards which I was going to return -- they're negotiable if you like them. After selling my Harley, I bought this bike first. Then I ended up getting a great deal on two older and cheaper cycles that will get the job done for the time being, so I'm reluctantly re-selling this one. Shoot me an E-mail if interested. It'll be in the Post on Saturday. It's available for a look in advance of that tomorrow in Arlington. Thanks. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 14:13:30 2001 From: Phil Simerly To: "'Adam Wah'" , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Leather Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:06:38 -0400 Never delt with these folks but the prices are good. The Motorcycle Leather Exchange http://members.aol.com/motorle/ -----Original Message----- From: Adam Wah [mailto:hotrivet@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 11:46 AM To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Leather Hey all, Does anyone know a good place to get a good buy on leather? I'm upgrading from an older Aviator jacket to an actual riding coat. I'm tall so I need a tall size. I have been to Powersports (I know, I know) and some local shops. Wilsons at Potomac mills has a pretty good selection for tall sizes but a lot of their products do not have removable liners. Any tips or links? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 15:04:06 2001 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:02:48 -0400 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX From: John West Subject: RE: Leather I bought my jacket from them. They're in Maryland so you can try on before you buy. Prices and selection are excellent. I'd avoid Wilsons. They sell fashion leather, not protective leather. Their most substantial jacket is thinner than your average motorcycle jacket. -john At 2:06 PM -0400 8/2/01, Phil Simerly wrote: >Never delt with these folks but the prices are good. >The Motorcycle Leather Exchange >http://members.aol.com/motorle/ > >-----Original Message----- >From: Adam Wah [mailto:hotrivet@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 11:46 AM >To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Leather > > >Hey all, > Does anyone know a good place to get a good buy on leather? I'm >upgrading from an older Aviator jacket to an actual riding coat. I'm tall >so I need a tall size. I have been to Powersports (I know, I know) and some > >local shops. Wilsons at Potomac mills has a pretty good selection for tall >sizes but a lot of their products do not have removable liners. > > Any tips or links? > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 15:09:38 2001 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:04:09 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Leather To: , , I've dealt with Colleen a few times. She's got a pretty good selection and great prices. Real nice lady and fellow lister. Works out of her basement. If you go over to her place to try anything out, duck. She's got a pretty low ceiling. Anyone over 6' (I'm 6'3") might lose a couple inches. LOL Scooter In a message dated Thu, 2 Aug 2001 2:20:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Phil Simerly writes: > Never delt with these folks but the prices are good. > The Motorcycle Leather Exchange > http://members.aol.com/motorle/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Wah [mailto:hotrivet@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 11:46 AM > To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Leather > > > Hey all, > Does anyone know a good place to get a good buy on leather? I'm > upgrading from an older Aviator jacket to an actual riding coat. I'm tall > so I need a tall size. I have been to Powersports (I know, I know) and some > > local shops. Wilsons at Potomac mills has a pretty good selection for tall > sizes but a lot of their products do not have removable liners. > > Any tips or links? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 15:24:52 2001 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: "'Phil Simerly'" , "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Summit Point and other stuff Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:24:03 -0700 I'll probably be at Summit this weekend, but I know very little about cornerworking and such (I know, maybe its time I learnt). The plan is to camp at the track - the flying circus sounds interesting too (I love air shows) - how far is it ? Maybe I'll ride over. Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Phil Simerly [mailto:Phil_Simerly@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 7:11 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Summit Point and other stuff I have been going to SummitPoint since the 70's for sports car races. I now go about 5 or 6 time a year as conner worker but I have never been there for a Motorcycle races. I noticed that someone was going this weekend. What days are the races this weekend. I have Sat. open and would like to go and play/work (I already got my whites and stuff) I have something planed for Sunday a short ride out to Bealeton, VA (near Warrenton, VA) for the Flying Circus its motorcycle day riders get in for free, you can check it out here http://www.flyingcircusairshow.com. Let me know if anyone would like to go and somebody let me know about summit point. Thanks HillJack EATW #1 ICQ #2014076 2001 FLHTC (The Couch) 1982 XJ650 (For Sale) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 17:20:46 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "rydin" Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: trip to NC Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:13:57 -0400 AMA Superbikes are at VIR that weekend, I believe. I may be heading down via Danville for that, but not as far as Greensboro. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: rydin To: 'Lake, Susan' ; Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:07 AM Subject: RE: trip to NC > What's in Greensboro on Sept. 27? > > Niv > BMW F650ST > -----Original Message----- > From: Lake, Susan [mailto:SLake@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:37 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: trip to NC > > > I know this is planning really far in advance but I am looking for someone > to ride down with to Greensboro NC, September 27th and traveling back to the > DC area on September 30th. Anyone game? > > Sue > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 21:44:10 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:38:56 -0400 Subject: Best Source for Leathers X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3,6-7,11-15,17,19,21 From: Tom Fitzpatrick If you need top notch, custom made leathers from one of the nicest guys around, check out Barnacle Bill at: barnacle@XXXXXX or www.racingleather.com I met Bill and his lovely wife at the GNF several years ago, and have had the occasion to employ his services time and time again. I cannot recommend him highly enough. Although he builds racing leathers, he has made leathers for street riders. Among these, he makes a zip together suit that would provide protection approaching a 1 piece, but the convenience of having a separate jacket when that is all you want to wear. Please tell him Tom sent you. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com)* *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com)* *Nuts and Bolts Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX (www.nbracesites.com)* *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX)* From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 21:44:13 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:41:32 -0400 Subject: Information on Bealton Flying Circus Bike Day - this Sunday!!! X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-6,8,10,12,14-51 From: Tom Fitzpatrick The following message contains the informatin regarding the Flying Circus bike day, which has been rescheduled (due to rain) to this Sunday, August 5th. This is a great event. If you are not going to VIR or Summit, it would make a great way to spend the day and a great destination for a ride. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com)* *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com)* *Nuts and Bolts Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX (www.nbracesites.com)* *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX)* --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Randy Dalmas Subject: [MARRC-announce] Raindate Flying Circus MC Day --- Roger Lyle wrote: > From: "Roger Lyle" > > Hi Everybody! > > Spread the word! > I've just been informed that THIS SUNDAY... AUG 5 > IS THE RAINDATE!!!!! Same deal. Motorcycle riders get > in free, passengers pay. Gates open at 11:00, Bike judging > starts before the show - People's Choice. > Classes are: Best Antique > Best Harley > Best Other > Best Chopped/Modified > Ugliest Rat Bike > > Tell your friends! Hope to see you there! > > Jan > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Marrc-announce mailing list Marrc-announce@XXXXXX http://marrc.org/mailman/listinfo/marrc-announce From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 21:44:10 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:34:45 -0400 Subject: Free Admission and Corner Worker Training At Summit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-8,10,12,14 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Summit is holding a formal safety training class every Saturday of every motorcycle event weekend (CCS/WERA/AHRMA). By all accounts, it has been a great success. If you participate in this class, you get free admission, first class seating, the chance to immediately apply what you have learned, and the undying appreciation of the entire racing community. For more information on cornerworking, MARRC or Summit Point, check www.marrc.org Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com)* *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com)* *Nuts and Bolts Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX (www.nbracesites.com)* *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX)* From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 2 21:56:12 2001 From: "Jay Block" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: baggers Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 21:44:51 -0400 Well, you have another bagger here too. I call it my station wagon on two wheels. I guess I should introduce my self also. I am Jay Block, a local motorcycle-riding lawyer. I handle ABATE of Maryland, Inc's legal issues. Ditto MAWMR and am involved with a gob of motorcycle-related charity events. I started out on a used Honda 500 Custom, went to a Sabre, then my first Low Rider and now I ride a 2000 Ultraglide (hate the heat). I have been riding an Ultraglide since I joined the Baltimore Shrine in 1989. I am also a product of the Motorcycle Safety Program. I signed up for the Basic course the day after I bought the first bike and realized I didn't know HOW to ride. I took the Experienced Course when I got the Saber, started teaching the Basic Course by the time I had the Low Rider and was teaching the Experienced Course on my Shrinemobile. I enjoy reading the emails from the dc-area. I remember the downtown block parties the day before Rolling Thunder. Oh well. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 3 07:19:49 2001 From: Phil Simerly To: "'rydin'" , Phil Simerly , "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Summit Point and other stuff Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 07:13:18 -0400 >From were I live its about 30 or 40 min. ride, not that far from DC area. BTW I live in Haymarket, VA its around the 35mile stick on RT66 slab. Were I live is right between Summit Point, WV and Bealeton,VA I ride about 40-45 min north to Summit Point and about 40 - 45 min. south to Bealeton, VA so its about 1 & 1/2 hour ride from summit point. -----Original Message----- From: rydin [mailto:rydin@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 6:24 PM To: 'Phil Simerly'; dc-cycles (E-mail) Subject: RE: Summit Point and other stuff I'll probably be at Summit this weekend, but I know very little about cornerworking and such (I know, maybe its time I learnt). The plan is to camp at the track - the flying circus sounds interesting too (I love air shows) - how far is it ? Maybe I'll ride over. Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Phil Simerly [mailto:Phil_Simerly@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 7:11 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Summit Point and other stuff I have been going to SummitPoint since the 70's for sports car races. I now go about 5 or 6 time a year as conner worker but I have never been there for a Motorcycle races. I noticed that someone was going this weekend. What days are the races this weekend. I have Sat. open and would like to go and play/work (I already got my whites and stuff) I have something planed for Sunday a short ride out to Bealeton, VA (near Warrenton, VA) for the Flying Circus its motorcycle day riders get in for free, you can check it out here http://www.flyingcircusairshow.com. Let me know if anyone would like to go and somebody let me know about summit point. Thanks HillJack EATW #1 ICQ #2014076 2001 FLHTC (The Couch) 1982 XJ650 (For Sale) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 3 09:12:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f73DCSk08182 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id m.12b.25a3b7e (16112); Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web45.aolmail.aol.com (web45.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.6]) by air-id12.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID124-0803091216; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 09:12:16 -0400 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 09:12:16 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: trip to NC To: , Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <12b.25a3b7e.289bfd30@aol.com> I'm heading to the races also. Won't be leaving until Friday morning though. Got a room booked with an extra bed in case anyone's interested in splitting room cost with me. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 2 Aug 2001 5:24:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Paul Wilson" writes: > AMA Superbikes are at VIR that weekend, I believe. I may be heading down > via Danville for that, but not as far as Greensboro. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rydin > To: 'Lake, Susan' ; > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:07 AM > Subject: RE: trip to NC > > > > What's in Greensboro on Sept. 27? > > > > Niv > > BMW F650ST > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lake, Susan [mailto:SLake@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:37 PM > > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > Subject: trip to NC > > > > > > I know this is planning really far in advance but I am looking for > someone > > to ride down with to Greensboro NC, September 27th and traveling back to > the > > DC area on September 30th. Anyone game? > > > > Sue > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 3 09:27:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9703.mail.yahoo.com (web9703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.139]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f73DRdk08429 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010803132738.61855.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9703.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 06:27:38 PDT Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 06:27:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: OT: Cat Woman To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My friend Mark sent me this. I know the guy too, so if you're interested, you can let me know, and I'll put you in contact with him. Rich The one that runs: '00 Triumph Sprint ST ====================================================== I have a buddy that works in animal control in Fairfax. They have been called in to deal with an elderly woman's excessive collection of cats. >From him: >> I have a cat collector that has about one hundred cats. She is about 79 years old and will need some help. They are inside cats and some are nice (Siamese).>> If you are looking for a little furry friend this may be just the right opportunity. Please let me know if you're interested. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 3 09:29:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f96.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.96]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f73DT3k08443 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 06:17:02 -0700 Received: from 152.119.154.11 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 13:17:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.119.154.11] From: "Tom Faigle" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: HillJack and NOVA baggers Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 13:17:02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 13:17:02.0615 (UTC) FILETIME=[95843270:01C11C1E] HillJack and others looking for someone to ride with (non-sport bike types), I don't ride a bagger, but I have a '99 HD XL (Sportster) and a '02 FXDL (Low Rider) on order. I'm out in Fair Oaks, and usually ride out west on the weekends when I have time. During the weeks, it's I-66 to downtown everyday except for days it rains. On weekends, I'm the guy on the Black Sportster with the kid on the back with the jean jacket and silver fullface. Anyway, the point of this is, I'm always looking to hook up with other riders. Tom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 3 09:33:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11102.mail.yahoo.com (web11102.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.149]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f73DXpk08542 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010803133350.80331.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.116.158.40] by web11102.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 06:33:50 PDT Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 06:33:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulrich Boser Reply-To: ulrich@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/02/01 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200108022300.f72N0Ll23742@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii to add my 2 cents: Colleen is great. I bought a Joe Rocket from her last week. Good price, super helpful. I would research her site http://members.aol.com/MotorLE/ pretty good before going over there though. Its no store. Ulrich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 3 09:34:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cwd.dcgov.org (msexchange.dcgov.org [151.200.101.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f73DYQk08560 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CWDEXCH0 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:35:10 -0400 Message-ID: <2344588A203AD311B7950090276269862103C3@CWDEXCH0> From: lantech To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: leather Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:35:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" The very best leather jacket I ever had--- and I am getting around to getting another one--- was a California Highway Policeman's jacket. The Cal. Police have a surplus store; it used to be you had to go there in person, in Sacramento but I have heard that they have an online site now. I will look for the link. Great prices but more importantly, excellent protective leather that is really, really flexible (Ever had that great armour-like leather jacket that you can't move in?) and looks great, plus lots and lots of pockets to store stuff. I'll look for the link. -patti From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 3 09:46:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f73Dkqk08781 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boo.net ([137.187.221.202]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f73Dkoe169489 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B6AAAF8.7C0DA63@boo.net> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 09:45:28 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: z50/pit bike Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was talking to somebody at the Bethesda bike night about a z50 they had that might be for sale. Please contact me of list. If anybody else has a project dirt/pit bike for sale please let me know. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 3 10:06:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f160.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.160]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f73E6Nk09112 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 06:54:53 -0700 Received: from 199.79.176.65 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 13:54:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Adam Wah" To: t_knapik@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leather Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 13:54:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 13:54:53.0758 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF391DE0:01C11C23] Thanks for the information, appreciate the info aw >From: Tom Knapik >To: Adam Wah , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Leather >Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:37:22 -0700 (PDT) > >Go to Cycle Accessory Discounters, 429E Diamond Ave, >Gaithersburg (301-977-7188) What they don't have, >they'll order for you. They've always been friendly, >helpful and had good prices. And, no, I don't work >for them... ;-0) > >Tom Knapik >'01 FXSTBI >--- Adam Wah wrote: > > Hey all, > > Does anyone know a good place to get a good buy > > on leather? I'm > > upgrading from an older Aviator jacket to an actual > > riding coat. I'm tall > > so I need a tall size. I have been to Powersports > > (I know, I know) and some > > local shops. Wilsons at Potomac mills has a pretty > > good selection for tall > > sizes but a lot of their products do not have > > removable liners. > > > > Any tips or links? > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 3 11:05:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f73F5dk10125 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA13449 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:00:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:00:10 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Looking for Duhamel Photos Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone know of any photographers who sell pictures of AMA Superbike Racing? I'm particularly interested in getting pictures of Duhamel racing an RC30 or RC45. Thanks, Hugh From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 3 13:52:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10908.mail.yahoo.com (web10908.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.44]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f73Hqtk12729 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010803175254.76310.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.80.171.28] by web10908.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 10:52:54 PDT Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:52:54 -0700 (PDT) From: John Germuga Subject: Flying circus To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200108022300.f72N0Ll23742@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii HillJack, I ride a Shadow VLX. Haven't got the t-shirt though. Too bad I didn't get your post earlier as I might have joined you on Sunday. Already made plans though. Keep me posted on or off line if you have any other rides planned. Also, let us know if the flying circus was worth the trip. Pending review, maybe some others will be up for it another weekend. John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 3 21:38:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp4vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f741cMk20074 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 21:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.tennisbooks.com (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA64538830; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:37:53 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010803213134.00ab0e50@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 21:38:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/29/01 In-Reply-To: <200107292300.f6TN01N13625@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed My friend from Mobil's Paulsboro NJ automotive lubricant research and development lab has responded further to my queries about the Mobil 1 specifically for motorcycles. In checking the lab's authoritative database of all Mobil lubricant formulations, he finds that there is *no* special formulation dedicated to motorcycles. This means that the Mobil 1 for motorcycles is certainly a simple re-packaging of an existing product, and almost certainly the corresponding viscosity range automotive oil. You may draw your own conclusions concerning the wisdom of spending roughly 75% more money for the moto Mobil 1. 8;) Thanks -- Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) '01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike) From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 3 21:58:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp6vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.27]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f741wtk20374 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 21:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.tennisbooks.com (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp6ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA52672701; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:58:48 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010803215837.00aae610@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 21:59:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/29/01 Cc: "rydin" In-Reply-To: <000001c11ca0$05415f80$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010803213134.00ab0e50@mail.9netave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks -- I do, very carefully. -- Larry At 12:43 AM 8/4/01, you wrote: >eh...Larry, I suggest you maintain your friends anonymity. > >Niv >BMW F650ST > >-----Original Message----- >From: Larry Larson [mailto:llarson@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 6:38 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/29/01 > > >My friend from Mobil's Paulsboro NJ automotive lubricant >research and development lab has responded further to my >queries about the Mobil 1 specifically for motorcycles. In >checking the lab's authoritative database of all Mobil lubricant >formulations, he finds that there is *no* special formulation >dedicated to motorcycles. This means that the Mobil 1 for >motorcycles is certainly a simple re-packaging of an existing >product, and almost certainly the corresponding viscosity range >automotive oil. You may draw your own conclusions concerning >the wisdom of spending roughly 75% more money for the moto >Mobil 1. 8;) > >Thanks -- Larry > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 4 04:13:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f748D6k29087 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 04:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26805 invoked by uid 1001); 4 Aug 2001 08:13:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20010804081305.26804.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com for [198.77.68.15] via web-mailer on Sat, 04 Aug 2001 03:13:04 -0500 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 03:13:04 -0500 Subject: sale: new fieldsheer X-speed suit 42 It's a 1-piece with all CE armor in it. worn once. Just too short for me (shoulder to hip) though it fits great everwhere else. If you're 5'9 and 170lbs it's work great. I'm 5'11 and 180lbs. Just a mite bit on the too large side... Color is black with blue highlights. $350. PS. hey Keith, if you want it, speak up. It matches your new SV. -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 4 04:15:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f748Frk29166 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 04:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27359 invoked by uid 1001); 4 Aug 2001 08:15:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20010804081553.27358.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com for [198.77.68.15] via web-mailer on Sat, 04 Aug 2001 03:15:53 -0500 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 03:15:53 -0500 Subject: Teknic/Knox safety suit? does anyone have one? What do you think of the armor? Can I check it out? What does it do to sizing when buying a racing suit? -- me quit riding because of a self-inflicted accident? heck no!! -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 4 11:52:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f74Fqwk05858 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 11:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010804155250.23161.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.53] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Aug 2001 08:52:50 PDT Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 08:52:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: '83 Honda V45 Sabre For Sale To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii **Sab/Mag listers please feel welcome to post this on Sab/Mag list** (Originally posted 4 August 2001 @ 12 noon) Due limited garage space and too many toys my Father is selling his '83 Honda V45 Sabre. I personally have limited knowledge of the bike but here's what I know: -Purchased new in 1983, one owner bike, excellent running condition -10,466 original miles, NEVER wrecked but dropped in driveway once - cosmetic damage minimal. -Black with rare ORIGINAL HONDA FAIRING -Good mechanical and cosmetic condition always garage kept -VA State inspected today (8/4/01) -asking $1875/nego. from a rider who will actually ride & enjoy this bike Contact Corbett H) 703-237-4833 or email: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 4 12:17:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web5203.mail.yahoo.com (web5203.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f74GHfk06239 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 12:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010804161740.25713.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.81.220] by web5203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Aug 2001 09:17:40 PDT Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 09:17:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: OT: Cat Woman To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20010803132738.61855.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Two words: Wood Chipper. Yeah, I said it. -Corbett --- Scratch wrote: > My friend Mark sent me this. I know the guy too, so > if you're interested, you can let me know, and I'll > put you in contact with him. > > Rich > The one that runs: '00 Triumph Sprint ST > > ====================================================== > I have a buddy that works in animal control in > Fairfax. They have been called in to deal with an > elderly woman's excessive collection of cats. > > From him: > >> I have a cat collector that has about one hundred > cats. She is about 79 years old and will need some > help. They are inside cats and some are nice > (Siamese).>> > > If you are looking for a little furry friend this > may > be just the right opportunity. Please let me know > if > you're interested. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 4 13:05:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f76.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f74H5Qk06960 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 10:05:20 -0700 Received: from 151.196.238.35 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Aug 2001 17:05:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.196.238.35] From: "Jay Block" To: DANDMBLOCK@XXXXXX, shooter6420@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, t_humper90@XXXXXX, dganz@XXXXXX, replaw@XXXXXX, DNeascooks@XXXXXX, DonatLaw@XXXXXX, drsabatier@XXXXXX, djake@XXXXXX, dukeclu@XXXXXX, Escorks@XXXXXX, ewgb@XXXXXX, frankmazz1@XXXXXX, frontpage931@XXXXXX, Gary.boward@XXXXXX, gourdinr1@XXXXXX, gregfall99@XXXXXX, Guy.Parent@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: Credit Card thing - DON'T DO IT Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 13:05:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2001 17:05:20.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[A45ADF80:01C11D07] From: "Jay Block" ] Credit Card thing - DON'T DO IT Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 13:02:58 -0400 WARNING. I sent something out which I received from a usually reliable source. I tried checking with him to confirm the reliability of this message and I cannot. DO NOT GIVE YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER OUT OVER THE PHONE TO ANYONE. I am sorry about this. Jay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 4 14:26:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f74IQ3k08078 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-64.157.50.62.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [64.157.50.62]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19470; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B6C3EE0.7BFA28A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 14:28:48 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/29/01 References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010803213134.00ab0e50@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The only thing you want to check before using Mobil 1 (or any other automotive motor oil) is to make sure it is NOT marked as "EC", i.e., energy conserving. I know that Mobile 1 15W-50 is not EC. But Mobil 1 10W-30 is. You don't want to use EC oil because it's actually "too slick" and will cause your clutch to slip. FWIW, my friend Gary Jaehne out in CA -- who is a racer and dP Safety School instructor -- uses automotive Mobil 1 15W-50 in all his m/c's (street and race) and has never had a problem. Chuck Larry Larson wrote: > > My friend from Mobil's Paulsboro NJ automotive lubricant > research and development lab has responded further to my > queries about the Mobil 1 specifically for motorcycles. In > checking the lab's authoritative database of all Mobil lubricant > formulations, he finds that there is *no* special formulation > dedicated to motorcycles. This means that the Mobil 1 for > motorcycles is certainly a simple re-packaging of an existing > product, and almost certainly the corresponding viscosity range > automotive oil. You may draw your own conclusions concerning > the wisdom of spending roughly 75% more money for the moto > Mobil 1. 8;) -- "The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 4 15:11:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f74JBTk08722 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-115-61.s315.tnt9.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.115.61] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15T6pc-0003UT-00 ; Sat, 04 Aug 2001 15:11:28 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01c11d19$536b1880$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010803213134.00ab0e50@mail.9netave.com> <3B6C3EE0.7BFA28A@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/29/01 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:10:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Oh heavens, not the oil thread. What do you do when it's cold and you need a 10w oil so it doesn't feel like there's sludge in your crankcase. All the automotive oils are EC in the 10w grades. Putting the bike away on the first of October is not an acceptable answer. :) Most guides I've seen specify 10w before 40 degrees. I'm kind of surprised someone at Mobil would actually admit there's no material difference between Mobil 1 MC and regular. Borderline fraud if true. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Pena > The only thing you want to check before using Mobil 1 (or any other > automotive motor oil) is to make sure it is NOT marked as "EC", i.e., > energy conserving. I know that Mobile 1 15W-50 is not EC. But Mobil 1 > 10W-30 is. You don't want to use EC oil because it's actually "too > slick" and will cause your clutch to slip. FWIW, my friend Gary Jaehne > out in CA -- who is a racer and dP Safety School instructor -- uses > automotive Mobil 1 15W-50 in all his m/c's (street and race) and has > never had a problem. > > Chuck > > Larry Larson wrote: > > > > My friend from Mobil's Paulsboro NJ automotive lubricant > > research and development lab has responded further to my > > queries about the Mobil 1 specifically for motorcycles. In > > checking the lab's authoritative database of all Mobil lubricant > > formulations, he finds that there is *no* special formulation > > dedicated to motorcycles. From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 4 15:11:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f74JBik08732 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana.wheatintl.com (iguana [63.218.228.106]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f74JBaq26160; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:11:37 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010804150815.0323a550@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 15:09:50 -0400 To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: 12v Power Adapter $15 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed For those of you that live near a Trak Auto - they have "Pickup bed power adapters" for $15. Basically this is a weatherproof cigarette lighter adapter. I picked one up for the VFR and a future fairing mounted socket. Also - All MC batteries are 20% off. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 N38.84810 W77.44614 From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 4 15:51:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f74Jpnk09387 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f74Jpc311533; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:51:39 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: the_penas@XXXXXX, Chuck Pena , Larry Larson Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/29/01 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:53:54 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010803213134.00ab0e50@mail.9netave.com> <3B6C3EE0.7BFA28A@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <3B6C3EE0.7BFA28A@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01080415535404.01081@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sat, 04 Aug 2001, Chuck Pena wrote: > The only thing you want to check before using Mobil 1 (or any other > automotive motor oil) is to make sure it is NOT marked as "EC", i.e., > energy conserving. I know that Mobile 1 15W-50 is not EC. But Mobil 1 > 10W-30 is. You don't want to use EC oil because it's actually "too > slick" and will cause your clutch to slip. FWIW, my friend Gary Jaehne > out in CA -- who is a racer and dP Safety School instructor -- uses > automotive Mobil 1 15W-50 in all his m/c's (street and race) and has > never had a problem. Actually... the new "EC" (Energy Conserving) oils simply have less Phosphour, Zinc , and other anti-wear agents because these cause catalytic converters to go belly up in cars when oil is burned (due to worn out seals, rings, etc). What's bizarre, however, is that oil ratings don't tell the whole story anyway - they set *maximum* allowances for ingregients, not minimums as one would expect. There are many oils that didn't have too high of levels of these agents in their HJ formulas, and simply repackaged under the new EC ratings without any formula change. For what it's worth, we use Mobil 1 Tri-syn 15w-50 (The "normal" car stuff) in every race bike we run, and have not had a single oil-related engine failure. Also, we change oil at least every other weekend and have never experienced any clutch slippage even on high-reving 400cc superbikes. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 4 15:57:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f74Jvlk09464 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Zerocats@XXXXXX by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id o.c3.142ef322 (18253); Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:57:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Zerocats@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:56:59 EDT Subject: Re: 12v Power Adapter $15 To: mike@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c3.142ef322.289dad8b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10527 --part1_c3.142ef322.289dad8b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, a version of that, that are sure others have seen is going the BMW route and using one of their access. outlets. Simple to install and I power many access. off of it. I'm a fanatic for adhering to the KISS theory and for me this was the way to go. Any beemer items can be powered of it as well such as the heated vests, jackets. Todd in Cinti. 001200lt 00VFRfi --part1_c3.142ef322.289dad8b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, a version of that, that are sure others have seen is going the BMW
route and using one of their access. outlets. Simple to install and I power
many access. off of it. I'm a fanatic for adhering to the KISS theory and for
me this was the way to go. Any beemer items can be powered of it as well such
as the heated vests, jackets.
Todd in Cinti.
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00VFRfi --part1_c3.142ef322.289dad8b_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 4 16:58:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f74KwWk10392 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 16:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana.wheatintl.com (iguana [63.218.228.106]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f74KwOq26496; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 16:58:24 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010804165644.032436b0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 16:58:19 -0400 To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: 12v Power Adapter $15 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:56 PM 8/4/2001, Zerocats@XXXXXX wrote: >Mike, a version of that, that are sure others have seen is going the BMW >route and using one of their access. outlets. Simple to install and I power >many access. off of it. I'm a fanatic for adhering to the KISS theory and for >me this was the way to go. Any beemer items can be powered of it as well such >as the heated vests, jackets. I knew of the BMW adapter, but I heard it was in the $40 range. This offers the same functionality for a lot less. I was looking at marine quality adapters for the same functionality, but they were also quite a bit more expensive. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 N38.84810 W77.44614 From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 4 17:14:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net (mtaout.telus.net [199.185.220.235]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f74LElk10671 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 17:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jbk ([161.184.230.49]) by priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with SMTP id <20010804211426.VCMX14329.priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net@jbk>; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:14:26 -0600 Message-ID: <001001c11d2a$9434ba40$31e6b8a1@jbk> From: "StregaVFR" To: , , "Troutman" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010804165644.032436b0@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: 12v Power Adapter $15 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:15:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 I just picked one up at my local Honda shop...made by Kimpex has the weather resistant cap and the male end for $15 CDN...$12 with discount... > I knew of the BMW adapter, but I heard it was in the $40 range. This > offers the same functionality for a lot less. I was looking at marine > quality adapters for the same functionality, but they were also quite a bit > more expensive. James in Edmonton 99 Interceptor http://stregavfr.tripod.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 4 17:30:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailout5.nyroc.rr.com (mailout5-1.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.169] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f74LU9k10986 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 17:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jdscd01 (alb-66-66-200-58.nycap.rr.com [66.66.200.58]) by mailout5.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.2/RoadRunner 1.03) with SMTP id f74LRFC26476; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 17:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <010301c11d2c$7b657de0$3ac84242@nycap.rr.com> From: "Karl Juul" To: , , "Troutman" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010804165644.032436b0@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: 12v Power Adapter $15 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 17:28:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" > At 03:56 PM 8/4/2001, Zerocats@XXXXXX wrote: > >Mike, a version of that, that are sure others have seen is going the BMW > >route and using one of their access. outlets. Simple to install and I power > >many access. off of it. I'm a fanatic for adhering to the KISS theory and for > >me this was the way to go. Any beemer items can be powered of it as well such > >as the heated vests, jackets. > > I knew of the BMW adapter, but I heard it was in the $40 range. This > offers the same functionality for a lot less. I was looking at marine > quality adapters for the same functionality, but they were also quite a bit > more expensive. Maybe I have been missing something for the past decade, but what's wrong with the standard 2-conductor "trailer" (AKA "Ford", "SAE") connector for an accessory socket? It doesn't require panel drilling (or a bracket) and costs about $2...compatible with Gerbing and most other vest connectors...it is polarized, available even at Radio Shaft, and is unobtrusive,cheap, and weatherproof....I use the heavy-duty version (available only from my secret source...) I have "wired" my tankbag with one of these connectors and run radar detector, cell phone, heated vest, etc, off this humble connector..it emerges from under the front edge of the seat and mates with the connector going into the tankbag... The only possible negative is that it takes two hands to mate the connectors, but, so what? What am I missing here? -Karl. ++++++++++++++++++++++ kjuul@XXXXXX ++++++++++++++++++++++ Karl Juul **someplace in upstate New York** KB2XG 1994 Honda VFR750F 1993 BMW K75S-Gone, but not forgotten... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 4 17:49:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14006.mail.yahoo.com (web14006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f74Lnrk11227 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 17:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010804214952.3875.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.210.236] by web14006.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 04 Aug 2001 14:49:52 PDT Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:49:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: 12v Power Adapter $15 To: Karl Juul , vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Troutman In-Reply-To: <010301c11d2c$7b657de0$3ac84242@nycap.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Karl Juul wrote: > but what's wrong > with the standard 2-conductor "trailer" (AKA "Ford", > "SAE") connector for an > accessory socket? These work for me. If you want to get fancy, you can even get the 4 wire trailer connector. Then you can put the rheostat for the electric vest on the bike and keep the wiring on your body simple. The next time I do it, the rheostat won't be on the wire closest to ground. That one should be switched so there is a place to plug in the Battery Tender. Karls two wire connector plugs into the first two wires of the 4-wire trailer connector. The four wire trailer connector can also be gotten with a solid mount so that two-hands problem can be avoided as well. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 4 17:51:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.254.60.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f74Lp1k11315 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 17:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laptop ([65.7.68.3]) by femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010804215058.PBYT863.femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com@laptop>; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:50:58 -0700 Message-ID: <004701c11d2f$bcf92ec0$6301a8c0@laptop> From: "Gary Dehner" To: "Karl Juul" , , , "Troutman" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010804165644.032436b0@mail.troutman.org> <010301c11d2c$7b657de0$3ac84242@nycap.rr.com> Subject: Re: 12v Power Adapter $15 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 17:52:16 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 I use the exact same setup. I use a set inside the tankbag to disconnect my ECM / music etc. Gary Dehner Lexington, KY IBA, HSTA; VOC: AMA '83 CB550SC, '91 Virago, '98 VFR800, '98 VTR1000 (sadly gone off to college) > > I have "wired" my tankbag with one of these connectors and run radar > detector, cell phone, heated vest, etc, off this humble connector..it > emerges from under the front edge of the seat and mates with the connector > going into the tankbag... > > The only possible negative is that it takes two hands to mate the > connectors, but, so what? > > What am I missing here? > > > -Karl. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++ kjuul@XXXXXX ++++++++++++++++++++++ > Karl Juul **someplace in upstate New York** KB2XG > 1994 Honda VFR750F > 1993 BMW K75S-Gone, but not forgotten... > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ > for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 4 20:49:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f750nHk14037 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 20:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO (1Cust8.tnt38.tco2.da.uu.net [63.48.137.8]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f750nCp20079; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 17:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000f01c11d48$78fd46c0$0889303f@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Let me introduce myself Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 20:49:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, Bagger rider here, too. 2001 FLHT Electra Glide Standard, offspring of the FLHS I suppose. I too would love to go riding with you, but I'm leaving at the ass-crack of dawn tomorrow for 5 days of Skyline Drive, Blue Ridge Parkway, "Cherry Cola" Highway and Deal's Gap... and back. See you all Thursday night. Howard Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 4 20:58:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f750wYk14204 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 20:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA00848 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 20:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net [64.8.20.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA16427 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 20:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d478406837 ([216.174.23.228]) by smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GHKLDE01.I98; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 20:58:26 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Dccycles2" Subject: New 5000cc Bike! Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 20:58:06 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Click the link (Audio Required) http://www.fj1100.com/sounds/kamakizi.wav Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club mailto:gary@XXXXXX TL Owners Club: http://www.tl1000.com TL Owners Board: http://server5.ezboard.com/btlownersboard TL Message Board: http://www.voy.com/14718 Yahoo TL Pit: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/tl1000pit From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 4 21:43:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f751hvk14856 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 21:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-163-103-196.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.163.103.196) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2001 01:43:50 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: 12v Power Adapter $15 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 21:42:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal There are John Deere plugs that are exactly like the BMW plugs and sockets that cost considerably less, especially purchased from a John Deere dealer. You can get the same thing from Aerostich as well. I also use the 2 prong plug for power to the tankbag for my BMW. On my F3, I have two BMW plugs mounted on the fairing, with one of them switched, both fused (of course). YMMV LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 4 23:03:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7533B601428 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 23:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-209.244.84.26.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.84.26]) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA14277; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 23:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B6CB817.A91B2B3E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 23:05:59 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles list CC: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/29/01 References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010803213134.00ab0e50@mail.9netave.com> <3B6C3EE0.7BFA28A@ix.netcom.com> <002d01c11d19$536b1880$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul, My solution is unacceptable. I just don't ride in weather that cold! Yes, I admit I am a total wuss (don't ride in the rain either) and proud of it! %^) Chuck Paul Wilson wrote : > > Oh heavens, not the oil thread. What do you do when it's cold and you need > a 10w oil so it doesn't feel like there's sludge in your crankcase. All the > automotive oils are EC in the 10w grades. Putting > the bike away on the first of October is not an acceptable answer. :) -- "The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 4 23:50:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail11.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f753oj602162 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 23:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 99659 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 03:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO adesktop.annapurna.com) ([66.92.145.59]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 5 Aug 2001 03:50:43 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010804233929.00a602f8@mail.nova.org> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 23:55:57 -0400 To: "Paul Wilson" From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/29/01 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <002d01c11d19$536b1880$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010803213134.00ab0e50@mail.9netave.com> <3B6C3EE0.7BFA28A@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f753q7602163 At 03:10 PM 8/4/2001 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >Oh heavens, not the oil thread. What do you do when it's cold and you need >a 10w oil so it doesn't feel like there's sludge in your crankcase. The Mobil 1 15W50 has a pumpability limit of -38degF. Or as their web site put it: "Flows at -48M-0C (-55M-0F), pumps at temperatures as low as many conventional SAE 5W-30 oils." Seems to me like you're unlikely to have a problem using it all year. (Well, maybe a financial problem...) >I'm kind of surprised >someone at Mobil would actually admit there's no material difference between >Mobil 1 MC and regular. Borderline fraud if true. Hey, they formulated is especially for motorcycles; it just happened to turn out almost exactly the same as the car formula. ;-) Luckily, enough folks do independent testing so that we can find these things out for free. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 5 14:14:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (m1.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.64]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f75IE9615552 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"uoyE9tvlmSM0oHP0t1pnQ98BwBMpGnVKleod62FX68qa4o5e4MZZ8Q=="> Received: (from tgroghan@XXXXXX) by m1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GB4MXTQJ; Sun, 05 Aug 2001 14:13:47 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:05:42 -0400 Subject: AUTOmobile- Free oil filters PF3950, PF25 Message-ID: <20010805.140544.-413951.0.tgroghan@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-5,7-10 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Thad B Groghan I have 3 FRAM PF3950 oil filters that are new and hate to throw away, if anyone wants them they're yours other numbers on the side it replaces are PF-9, Motorcraft FL-404, FL-796 Also 2 FRAM PF25 E-mail me if you want them, come by and pick them up, most likely not worth shipping. tgroghan@XXXXXX THad Hyattsville, Maryland ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 5 16:19:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f75KJE617407 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 16:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CJ144294A (A040-0269.MLE2.splitrock.net [64.198.131.15]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f75KJCb129400 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 16:19:12 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Dammit- Anyone reccomend a good (offensive) laywer Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 16:19:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Not one that farts and burps, mind you. I mean I need to find a lawyer that can help me out after getting rear- ended and shoved into another car at the Glebe Road merge onto 395 south chokepoint. I was driving the truck and some idiot (who the trooper says may have been drinking) plowed into my truck carrying my (8-mos-pregnant) wife and myself as I was stopped behind another car that couldn't merge. We both went to the hospital and have whiplash, the munchkin seems fine, if a bit pissed off. I want to sue the driver that hit us. Anyone know any good "junkyard-dog" type lawyers in the area? Rob Curtis Staff Photographer Army Times Publishing Co. Springfield, VA http://www.robcurtis.com __________________ Never be afraid to try something new; remember, amateurs built the Ark, and professionals built the Titanic. __________________ From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 5 19:04:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f75N4Z619936 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-40-170.s170.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.170]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15TWwk-00060h-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 05 Aug 2001 19:04:34 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 12v Power Adapter $15 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 19:04:12 -0700 Message-ID: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010804165644.032436b0@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010804165644.032436b0@mail.troutman.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f75N4f619937 I just pull a cigarrette lighter out of a junked car, and put a fuse inline. I install it under my passenger seat. Simple. effective. cheap. Danny From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 5 19:47:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fc.Capaccess.org (fc.capaccess.org [151.200.199.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f75NlX620662 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 19:47:28 -0400 Subject: Free Suzuki 550E (1980) engine, frame, wheels, title. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Not worth fixing: nothing there but rolling chassis and engine (no electrics), but lots of useful parts if you have a 1977-1981 GS-550. Odometer (not included) showed 12k miles. Garcia From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 5 21:31:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f761Vf622200 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-209.244.208.238.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.208.238]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16766; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B6DF423.29D9C203@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 21:34:27 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Bike Nights in August Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We've got two Bike Nights scheduled in August: Sunday, August 12th at CarPool in Arlington, VA Sunday, August 26th at Uncle Jed's in Bethesda, MD Both of these are "rain check" Bike Nights since it rained the first time we had them at these locations this year. All the details are on the website http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. Hope to see y'all at one or both of them! Chuck -- "The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 09:28:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76DSS604129 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kawgirl (kawgirl.kivex.com [208.213.150.18]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id JAA03919 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:27:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "lisa@XXXXXX" X-Sender: lgoddard@kawgirl To: dccycles Subject: Races at Summit Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jay and I went up to Summit Point on Saturday and camped out for the night to watch the races. Even with the heat we had a great time. I also reached new heights in squidlyness! Chris Weaver was kind enough to let me ride his YSR. Not only did I ride the YSR wearing no helmet, shorts and a tee shirt but I then decided to delve further in to the world of squidlyness! We were camped out at turn 6, Chris said he was heading back to the pit area. I put on my rollerblades and Chris gave me a pull using the YSR! I think that was even more fun than riding the YSR. The wooden bridge on the way to the pit did represent a unique challenge! Lisa '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 09:30:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11008.mail.yahoo.com (web11008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.58]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f76DUP604218 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010806133024.9625.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11008.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 06:30:24 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 06:30:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: 12v Power Adapter $15 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010804150815.0323a550@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You can also get these at marine stores (cheaper). --- Troutman wrote: > For those of you that live near a Trak Auto - they > have "Pickup bed power > adapters" for $15. Basically this is a weatherproof > cigarette lighter > adapter. I picked one up for the VFR and a future > fairing mounted socket. > > Also - All MC batteries are 20% off. > > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > N38.84810 W77.44614 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 09:37:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76Db2604310 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs724762 (Gary [192.168.0.229]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA31769; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:39:11 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman, LCSA" To: "Dccycles2" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Summit Point Sunday Photos Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:37:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Since we did a ride earlier in the day, I didn't get to the track until Sunday afternoon. Here's the photos. Visit http://www.2wheeljunkie.com/ and click the Photos link at the top. Gary Foreman (TL Owners Club) mailto:gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 09:40:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76DeP604353 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs724762 (Gary [192.168.0.229]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA31830; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:42:38 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Dccycles2" Subject: Summit Point Sunday Photos Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:40:40 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Since we did a ride earlier in the day, I didn't get to the track until Sunday afternoon. Here's the photos. Visit http://www.2wheeljunkie.com/ and click the Photos link at the top. Gary Foreman (TL Owners Club) mailto:gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 09:55:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f46.hotmail.com [216.32.181.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76Dta604612 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 06:44:10 -0700 Received: from 64.221.81.2 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 13:44:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.221.81.2] From: "Natasha Louis" To: lgoddard@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Races at Summit Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 09:44:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 13:44:10.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF4D3990:01C11E7D] Lisa, don't worry about looking squidly on a YSR, since they are basically considered pit bikes, you're all good, lol. Chris, it was fun racing with you again. We went back and forth there for a little while, but it was a blast. Natasha Louis YSR #84 Girlie Girl / Fugi's Factory Racing >From: "lisa@XXXXXX" >To: dccycles >Subject: Races at Summit >Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:27:59 -0400 (EDT) > > > > >Jay and I went up to Summit Point on Saturday and camped out for the night >to watch the races. Even with the heat we had a great time. > >I also reached new heights in squidlyness! Chris Weaver was kind enough >to let me ride his YSR. Not only did I ride the YSR wearing no helmet, >shorts and a tee shirt but I then decided to delve further in to the world >of squidlyness! We were camped out at turn 6, Chris said he was heading >back to the pit area. I put on my rollerblades and Chris gave me a pull >using the YSR! I think that was even more fun than riding the YSR. The >wooden bridge on the way to the pit did represent a unique challenge! > >Lisa >'95 VFR > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 10:02:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76E2J604772 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-118-131.s131.tnt11.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.118.131] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15TkxV-00073x-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:02:18 -0400 Message-ID: <009d01c11e80$7a5f5600$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20010803175254.76310.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Flying circus Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:02:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Matt Patton and I rode down for the festivities yesterday, taking the scenic route through Prince William Forest and Clifton. The Flying Circus was a nice destination and it's hard to beat the admission price (free for those on two wheels). They put on a two-hour air show and airplane rides were available for a fee ($20 for a quick ride; $60 for a half-hour) before and after for those inclined. There are some very skilled pilots in those vintage aircraft. I didn't do too much bike-related stuff since I met up with some family members on arrival, but there was a good bike turnout, lots of Harleys and Wings. A rider from Hampton, Va. won the distance award. It was quite hot and sticky and after an hour-long ride in full leathers sitting on the bleachers was not the ideal way to cool off, but still a nice way to spend a Sunday afternoon. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: John Germuga > HillJack, > > I ride a Shadow VLX. Haven't got the t-shirt though. > > Too bad I didn't get your post earlier as I might have > joined you on Sunday. Already made plans though. > > Keep me posted on or off line if you have any other > rides planned. Also, let us know if the flying circus > was worth the trip. Pending review, maybe some others > will be up for it another weekend. > > John From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 10:18:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.warren-news.com (mail.warren-news.com [209.8.211.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f76EIg605055 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EXCHANGE by mail.warren-news.com via smtpd (for dsl027-137-007.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 6 Aug 2001 14:21:18 UT Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:17:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Fisk, Euan" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: MPD Speeding cameras/revenue enhancers Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:17:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just a heads up for the location of 'speeding enforcement zones' in The District. See http://www.mpdc.org for more info. First District * 200 - 1100 blocks of 3rd Street Tunnel * 100 - 400 blocks of 9th Street Tunnel * Unit - 1100 blocks of Southeast/Southwest Freeway SW and Unit - 1000 blocks of SE/SW Fwy SE * 200 - 1500 blocks of Pennsylvania Ave SE * 400 - unit blocks of M St SW & unit - 1000 blocks of M St SE Second District * 1900 - 2600 blocks of Calvert St NW * 4900 - 5800 blocks of MacArthur Blvd. * 4500 - 5000 blocks of Western Ave NW * 4300 - 4500 blocks of River Rd NW 2E: ZONE of 3900 - 4500 blocks of Massachusetts Ave NW * 3900 - 5900 blocks of Nebraska Ave NW * 3300 - 3900 blocks of Military Rd NW * 1500 - 3000 blocks of Foxhall Road NW * 4800 - 5200 blocks of Loughboro Rd NW * 5900 block of Dalecarlia Pkwy * 2800 - 3100 blocks of Arizona Ave NW * 2900 - 3200 blocks of Cleveland Ave NW 2N: ZONE of 2900 - 3200 blocks of 34th St NW * 4700 - 5200 blocks of Reno Rd NW * 1600- 2600 blocks of Military Rd NW Third District * 1500 - 1900 blocks of 7th St NW & 2000 - 2800 of GA Ave NW * 1400 - 2000 blocks of 16th St NW (IIHS Study Site-2000 block) * 2400 - 2800 blocks of Sherman Ave NW * 1000 - 1400 blocks of 6th St NW * 1400 - 1900 blocks of 9th St NW * Unit - 1100 Rhode Island Ave NW (600 block IIHS study) Fourth District * 3600 - 5300 blocks of 13th St NW * 3100 - 3600 Park Pl NW * 2800 - 4200 blocks of N. Capitol NW/NE * 100 block of Michigan NW & 100 - 500 blocks of Mich Ave NE * 4100 - 5400 block of NH Ave NW & 5500 - 6300 blocks of NH Ave NE * 3200 - 4100 blocks of Harewood Rd NE * 6800 - 8200 blocks of 16th St NW * 6100 - 6500 blocks of Blair Rd NW/NE * 6300 - 7000 blocks of Eastern Ave NE * 100 - 700 blocks of Riggs Rd NE (IIHS Study Site) Fifth District * 500 - 1400 blocks of Florida Ave NE (IIHS Study Site-1300 block) * 1400 - 1800 blocks of Michigan Ave NE * 2500 - 4500 blocks of South Dakota Ave * 2100 - 2800 blocks of Lincoln Rd NE * 2800 - 3100 blocks of 4th St NE * 800 - 1800 blocks of Monroe St NE * 900 - 1200 block of Brentwood Rd NE (IIHS Study Site-1100 block) * 2200 - 3600 blocks of New York NE * 1300 - 1900 blocks of Bladensburg Rd. NE * 2000 - 3000 blocks of East Capitol NE Sixth District * 3200 - 5700 blocks of East Capitol * 3000 - 5500 blocks of Southern Ave SE * 100 - 1000 blocks of Ridge Rd SE * 1700 blocks of 25th St SE & 1700 - 3000 blocks of Naylor * I-295 from north of Penn Ave exit to DC line * 2500 - 4000 blocks of Pennsylvania Ave SE * 2400 - 4400 blocks of Benning Rd NE * 2800 - 4000 blocks of Alabama Rd SE Seventh District * Suitland Pkwy from DC line to Firth Stirling Rd SE * I-295 from DC line to Penn Ave exit * 1900 - 2400 blocks of Good Hope Road SE * 2600 - 3200 blocks of MLK Ave SE * 800 - 2900 blocks of Southern Ave SE * 200 - 800 blocks of Malcolm X Ave SE _____________________ Euan Fisk Assistant Editor efisk@XXXXXX 202-872-9202 x279 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 10:34:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76EYm605332 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-120-235.s616.tnt10.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.120.235] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15TlSx-0001Iy-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:34:48 -0400 Message-ID: <012301c11e85$049bfd60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: MPD Speeding cameras/revenue enhancers Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:34:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reading between the lines in a story in today's Post it appears that 11mph over the limit is the threshold for getting a ticket under this system. > Just a heads up for the location of 'speeding enforcement zones' in The > District. > See http://www.mpdc.org for more info. > * 200 - 1100 blocks of 3rd Street Tunnel Tunnel squidz beware. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 11:51:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.254.137]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76Fox606735 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (pop700 [128.183.254.131]) by popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25898 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from verizon.net (sunset.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.221.159]) by popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18761 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B6EBCCC.DB6A9C0E@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:50:36 -0400 From: Robert Rapp Reply-To: bikn.bob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dccycles Subject: rider down in Olney References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I've been offline for a week now. But wanted to see if anyone knows of a rider who was hit in Olney last week (Friday, I think). He was riding an older BMW twin (mid-80's?, blue?) I was out running an errand in the cage and passed the accident scene on my way home. Police had arrived and were closing the road; other emergency vehicles were just arriving. The rider was wearing full, heavy leather and helmet. Due to the chaos and all ready assembled crowds, I didn't stop. I only heard the officiers instructing others to not move the rider. He was still and lying on his side in a semi-fetal position; helmet looked in-tact. I check the gazette this week for any further news. Bob '89 Hawk From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 12:15:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f103.hotmail.com [216.32.181.103]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76GFk607127 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:03:45 -0700 Received: from 64.221.81.2 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:03:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.221.81.2] From: "Natasha Louis" To: bikn.bob@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rider down in Olney Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:03:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 16:03:45.0936 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F331900:01C11E91] I remember seeing an article last week about police looking for somebody who was involved in a hit and run accident where the motorcyclist had died from injuries. Can't remember where it happened though. Natasha >From: Robert Rapp >Reply-To: bikn.bob@XXXXXX >CC: dccycles >Subject: rider down in Olney >Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:50:36 -0400 > >Hi all, > >I've been offline for a week now. But wanted to see if anyone knows of >a rider who was hit in Olney last week (Friday, I think). He was riding >an older BMW twin (mid-80's?, blue?) I was out running an errand in the >cage and passed the accident scene on my way home. Police had arrived >and were closing the road; other emergency vehicles were just arriving. >The rider was wearing full, heavy leather and helmet. Due to the chaos >and all ready assembled crowds, I didn't stop. I only heard the >officiers instructing others to not move the rider. He was still and >lying on his side in a semi-fetal position; helmet looked in-tact. I >check the gazette this week for any further news. > > >Bob >'89 Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 13:00:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from server2.bredhoff.com ([63.80.117.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76H0x607798 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:46:10 -0400 Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76542467@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Motor work Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:46:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have a Honda TRX200 that needs the top end redone in a major way. Who can recommend a good, reputable place to do the work around here? Thanks, Mike '96 VFR (work) '84 TRX (play) or is it the other way around? From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 13:22:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hermal005i0.teligent.com (hermal005i0.teligent.net [64.64.159.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76HMg608177 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermal004i0.teligent.net (hermal004i0.teligent.net [10.0.37.2]) by hermal005i0.teligent.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08395 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hermal004i0.teligent.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:17:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wimer, Peter" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Help with Chrome Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:17:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For those who have chrome on their bikes, I had someone get too close to my exhaust pipes and I know have a wonderful "splotch" of a nylon like substance melted onto my pipe. Any idea how I could get this off without wrecking the finish? I tried to work at it with a razor blade over the weekend and felt I was doing more harm than good. What is the best way to keep the chrome looking good? Pete Wimer '01 Suzuki Savage peter.wimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 13:44:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp6vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.27]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76HiM608506 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (adsl-141-156-137-135.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [141.156.137.135]) by smtp6ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA54422318; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:44:12 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f76HguH22429; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:42:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:42:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: To: "Wimer, Peter" cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Help with Chrome In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've had similar troubles, and I found that one of those softer metal scrubbies (copper might be good, stainless is also softer than chrome, I believe...) works well. It's easy enough if the pipe is hot... What I did was to ride around a bit, and scrub the hot chrome with the pad. A razor blade is probably overkill, since the high carbon steel is harder than chrome. -ph On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Wimer, Peter wrote: > For those who have chrome on their bikes, I had someone get too close to my > exhaust pipes and I know have a wonderful "splotch" of a nylon like > substance melted onto my pipe. Any idea how I could get this off without > wrecking the finish? I tried to work at it with a razor blade over the > weekend and felt I was doing more harm than good. What is the best way to > keep the chrome looking good? > > Pete Wimer > '01 Suzuki Savage > peter.wimer@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 13:48:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3802.mail.yahoo.com (web3802.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.111.173]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f76HmX608586 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010806174831.13464.qmail@web3802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.224.63.148] by web3802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:48:31 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:48:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Help with Chrome To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For this type of thing, I find that getting the pipes nice and hot (at least the same heat as when the incident occurred) and then wiping off with a rag usually works. Make sure the rag is thick enough that you don't burn yourself while doing this. Give it a shot. Chris Weaver --- "Wimer, Peter" wrote: > For those who have chrome on their bikes, I had > someone get too close to my > exhaust pipes and I know have a wonderful "splotch" > of a nylon like > substance melted onto my pipe. Any idea how I could > get this off without > wrecking the finish? I tried to work at it with a > razor blade over the > weekend and felt I was doing more harm than good. > What is the best way to > keep the chrome looking good? > > Pete Wimer > '01 Suzuki Savage > peter.wimer@XXXXXX ===== Chris Weaver VTR1000 YSR50 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 14:57:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11501.mail.yahoo.com (web11501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f76Ivs609803 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010806185753.71302.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.30.135.58] by web11501.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:57:53 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:57:53 -0700 (PDT) From: ricardo pontes Subject: Track Days for mere mortals To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am intersted in taking my tiger for a "trackday", but i dont know where to go. And how much it would cost and what i need. I would like to ride in a track, not ot become a racer but to become better in my riding skills and become more comfortable with my petite tiger. Anyone know of a place where mere mortals can go a couple of rounds around a track? Ricardo Pontes 98 tiger __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 14:59:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76Ixb609815 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kawgirl (kawgirl.kivex.com [208.213.150.18]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id OAA08424 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:59:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "lisa@XXXXXX" X-Sender: lgoddard@kawgirl To: dccycles Subject: Reduc Update 8/6/01 (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Looks like Reduc has some available slots for track days. I would highly recommend riding with them, they are a well-run and highly organized group. forward: Hey Guys and Gals! Just wanted to update you all on a few things. First, we still have a few spaces available for our August 19th event. As a reminder, one change from years past is that we will allow licensed road racers to participate without previously cornerworking for us or attending our school. However, they must show their current, valid racing license at registration and they can only ride in the Expert class. Pass it on to your racer friends looking for practice before the F-USA races the following week that we have made this change. Additionally, we will charge non-member racers $199 for the 8/19 event. If they wish to participate with us at future events, they can join and pay a pro-rated membership fee of $70 later on. There is also space available at our Sunday, September 16th event on the East Course at Pocono. And, this looks to be our last regular event of the season, so take advantage of it... We are officially cancelling Rausch Creek scheduled for Saturday, October 6th. At this point, it looks like Rausch Creek is dead in the water, so we are taking this event off our schedule. We also finally have our raindate for the School from 5/26. The new Track School date is scheduled for Saturday, September 29th on the East Course at Pocono. Those who previously paid for the school may attend at no additional charge. This is the only make-up date for this event. Since there was space available at the original school, we are making those spaces available again. If you or any of your friends or family are interested in attending, contact Jean at ladyduc@XXXXXX. The cost is $195 and includes classroom and on track instruction, rain insurance, breakfast, lunch and seminars. Space is limited! One final note, we will have a booth at the F-USA Races at Pocono the weekend of the 25-26 of August. Be sure to stop by and say hello. See you at the Track! Marco, Bobby and Jean From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 15:18:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f145.hotmail.com [216.32.181.145]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76JIm610149 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:18:42 -0700 Received: from 64.221.81.2 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 19:18:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.221.81.2] From: "Natasha Louis" To: ricardopontes@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 15:18:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 19:18:42.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AD8EB40:01C11EAC] Ricardo, You can call my roommate, Mark Bell, at Cycle Sport in Herndon, he is busy working on getting the September track day together. The number there is 703-471-6990. This track day will be held at Summit Point in West Virginia. Good Luck, Natasha Louis >From: ricardo pontes >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Track Days for mere mortals >Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:57:53 -0700 (PDT) > > >I am intersted in taking my tiger for a "trackday", >but i dont know where to go. And how much it would >cost and what i need. I would like to ride in a track, >not ot become a racer but to become better in my >riding skills and become more comfortable with my >petite tiger. Anyone know of a place where mere >mortals can go a couple of rounds around a track? > >Ricardo Pontes >98 tiger > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 15:31:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76JVX610397 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-47-25.s279.tnt4.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.47.25]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15Tq68-0001kr-00 ; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 15:31:33 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Corbett B Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT: Cat Woman Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 15:31:16 -0700 Message-ID: References: <20010803132738.61855.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> <20010804161740.25713.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010804161740.25713.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f76JVa610398 LOL.. i say skin em first... sell the furr to the starboyz to cover their fairngs "all furred out part 2" (Sensative people may not want to read this next part:) This reminds me of that HBO special, where they showed the cat being malleted in the head and thrown in boiling water, pulled out skinned alive, malleted some more... that is one evil person to be doing that. eww |>Two words: |>Wood Chipper. |> |>Yeah, I said it. |>-Corbett From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 15:31:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14609.mail.yahoo.com (web14609.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f76JVV610395 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010806193130.33535.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14609.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:31:30 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:31:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals To: ricardo pontes , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010806185753.71302.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii spend the extra cash and take your bike to a cornering class (keith code, class, or some other organization) at an east coast track. simply running laps won't help you to appreciably develop your skills. you need some quality instruction, imho. --- ricardo pontes wrote: > > I am intersted in taking my tiger for a "trackday", > but i dont know where to go. And how much it would > cost and what i need. I would like to ride in a track, > not ot become a racer but to become better in my > riding skills and become more comfortable with my > petite tiger. Anyone know of a place where mere > mortals can go a couple of rounds around a track? > > Ricardo Pontes > 98 tiger ===== tg For quality legal services at reasonable rates, check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 15:34:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76JYE610415 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f76JXQ320405; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:33:29 -0400 From: laura granato To: "Natasha Louis" , ricardopontes@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:35:35 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0108061535350D.02879@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 06 August 2001 15:18, Natasha Louis wrote: > Ricardo, > > You can call my roommate, Mark Bell, at Cycle Sport in Herndon ricardo: If you've never done a track day before, I agree with natasha. cycle sport is a good one to go to. you are required to do a safety class at their shop before you go (it's about 2 hours) and it's well worth it. Their track days are very helpful and safe. But beware, getting on the track is addictive...plan on doing more track days, as your riding skill level will increase each time you hit the track, and it will make you a better street rider. Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 15:35:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11205.mail.yahoo.com (web11205.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.187]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f76JZ1610453 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010806193500.69506.qmail@web11205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11205.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:35:00 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:35:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: 211- Thornton Gap To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I finally got to cruise through 211- Thornton's Gap yesterday on my way back from Shenandoah. However, I was a passenger in a Jeep Grand Cherokee. I now understand why it's a great place for bikes. I'm looking for someone that's familiar with 211 to ride with me on Sunday, August 26th for a day trip. If anyone's interested, please let me know. I'll be starting from the Gaithersburg area. Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 15:45:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76JjD610693 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f76Jh3320418; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:43:10 -0400 From: laura granato To: Tom Gimer , ricardo pontes , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:45:16 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20010806193130.33535.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010806193130.33535.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0108061545160F.02879@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 06 August 2001 15:31, Tom Gimer wrote: > spend the extra cash and take your bike to a cornering > class (keith code, class, or some other organization) at an > east coast track. simply running laps won't help you to > appreciably develop your skills. you need some quality > instruction, imho. > Ahh, but I don't agree, Mr. Gimer: any time spent on a track you learn something. Yes, if you want to get more "instruction" per say, spending the money to take a class is great...but anyone can learn each time they go out on a track. I think most people who do a lot of track days will agree. I learn every time my bike goes out on that track, and then any classes I take help add to that. Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 15:46:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76JkD610703 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQlayh10929 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:46:12 GMT Received: from [153.39.136.61] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ws98974.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.136.61]) id QQlayh21637 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:45:39 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010806193130.33535.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010806193130.33535.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:45:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >spend the extra cash and take your bike to a cornering >class (keith code, class, or some other organization) at an >east coast track. simply running laps won't help you to >appreciably develop your skills. Actually, you'd be surprised. For someone with a fair amount of street riding, they would probably see noticeable gains very quickly. But like anything else, there is a learning curve that gets steeper as you go. > you need some quality >instruction, imho. No argument here. Track time w/quality instruction always beats track time on your own. If you can afford the "class" track time, do it. You will definitely get more out of it. But you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up on your own at a "regular" track day. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 15:51:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f76Jp9610802 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010806195054.76951.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:50:54 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:50:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals To: laura granato , ricardo pontes , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0108061545160F.02879@firewall.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- laura granato wrote: > On Monday 06 August 2001 15:31, Tom Gimer wrote: > > spend the extra cash and take your bike to a cornering > > class (keith code, class, or some other organization) > > at an east coast track. simply running laps won't help > > you to appreciably develop your skills. you need some > > quality instruction, imho. > > > Ahh, but I don't agree, Mr. Gimer: any time spent on a > track you learn something. notice i mentioned it in terms of "appreciably" developing skills. i've read ricardo's posts in the past, and i stand by my comment. the man needs some instruction. > Yes, if you want to get more "instruction" per say, > spending the money to take a class is great...but anyone > can learn each time they go out on a track. I think most > people who do a lot of track days will agree. I learn > every time my bike goes out on that track, and then any > classes I take help add to that. laura: clarify something for us. during your first track experience, were you simply "turned loose" on the track, or was it a classroom time/track time/classroom time/track time type of deal? ===== tg For quality legal services at reasonable rates, check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 15:52:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76Jqk610822 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w040 ([168.144.108.40]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:53:12 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 128.221.131.121 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: MPD Speeding cameras/revenue enhancers Sender: "sdave@XXXXXX" From: "sdave@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:51:36 -0400 To: "pawilson@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: sdave@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 19:53:12.0560 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CBF3700:01C11EB1] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f76Jql610823 Reading between the lines in a story in today's Post it appears that 11mph over the limit is the threshold for getting a ticket under this system. The bandwagon is growing - WTOP interviewed AAA who remarked that perhaps if there's such a need as all those speed cameras, then maybe the speed limit is set too low.... To illustrate their point, they sent a report out to actually do 25 mph in DC... last report is that everyone was passing him... MPD - 'We can't find Chandra, but we'll damn well catch every speeder this side of the mountains...' Dave Yate -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 16:02:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c001.snv.cp.net (c001-h008.c001.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f76K2B611023 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 10469 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 13:02:03 -0700 Received: from raven.cscoe.accenture.com (HELO truck.lemrow.com) (63.79.101.3) by smtp.lemrow.com (209.228.32.122) with SMTP; 6 Aug 2001 13:02:03 -0700 X-Sent: 6 Aug 2001 20:02:03 GMT Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010806155730.01f8e2e0@mail.lemrow.com> X-Sender: firblt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:01:57 -0400 To: Matthew Rosenstock , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Justin Lemrow Subject: Re: 211- Thornton Gap In-Reply-To: <20010806193500.69506.qmail@web11205.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Matt, I rode that road this weekend (sat) and it was pretty fun :). On your way "up" it's two lanes which makes getting around the cages easier :) The road conditions were pretty good, just be careful when you reach the top as the skyline entrance is usually plagued with idiots entering and exiting 211. If you can go the weekend before, I'd be willing to ride out there with you. :) Justin 1999 VFR 800 Northern VA/Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 16:03:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com ([168.144.1.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76K3j611033 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from M2W073 ([168.144.108.73]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:04:57 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 128.221.131.121 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Track Days for mere mortals Sender: "sdave@XXXXXX" From: "sdave@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:03:44 -0400 To: "laura@XXXXXX" , "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "ricardopontes@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: sdave@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 20:04:57.0813 (UTC) FILETIME=[111C4850:01C11EB3] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f76K3k611034 On Monday 06 August 2001 15:31, Tom Gimer wrote: > spend the extra cash and take your bike to a cornering > class (keith code, class, or some other organization) at an > east coast track. simply running laps won't help you to > appreciably develop your skills. you need some quality > instruction, imho. > Ahh, but I don't agree, Mr. Gimer: any time spent on a track you learn something. Gimer's right (gulp)[cough] ;-) just running laps will only reinforce bad habits - running laps with some quality instruction OTOH is another matter. There's no such thing as an 'instinctive rider' since it's learned behavior... You need at least some sound training to know what to practice before actually practicing (running laps)... Yes, if you want to get more "instruction" per say, WHA?! is that supposed to be 'per se' ? ;-) spending the money to take a class is great...but anyone can learn each time they go out on a track. I think most people who do a lot of track days will agree. I learn every time my bike goes out on that track, and then any classes I take help add to that. Yes, perhaps that's true for you and others that have track experience, but not rookies... - I had to qualify on both Summit tracks with my Mustang (NASA), do you have to be 'signed off' to race a M/C ? Dave Yates -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 16:09:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3806.mail.yahoo.com (web3806.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.111.177]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f76K9g611144 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010806200941.10846.qmail@web3806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.224.63.148] by web3806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 13:09:41 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:09:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010806195054.76951.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Man, this wouldn't be dc-cycles without Gimer talkin' out of his ass. :^) j/k (sorta) If data is needed, then I qualify - on my first track day, I was simply "turned loose" on the track. (Loudoun Mo'sports sponsored) I learned A LOT that day. Enough at least that I found riding on the street (even back roads) for the next few weeks to be boring in the extreme if staying within tolerably safe limits. I'd say that signifies that I learned something about cornering. Maybe not a lot, but something. Chris --- Tom Gimer wrote: > laura: clarify something for us. during your first > track > experience, were you simply "turned loose" on the > track, or > was it a classroom time/track time/classroom > time/track > time type of deal? > > > ===== > tg > > For quality legal services at reasonable rates, > check out http://www.murphygimer.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ===== Chris Weaver VTR1000 YSR50 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 16:11:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76KBO611158 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w039 ([168.144.108.39]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:12:48 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 128.221.131.121 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Track Days for mere mortals Sender: "sdave@XXXXXX" From: "sdave@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:11:23 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: sdave@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 20:12:48.0317 (UTC) FILETIME=[298D7ED0:01C11EB4] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f76KBP611159 Gimer Pontificated - >spend the extra cash and take your bike to a cornering >class (keith code, class, or some other organization) at an >east coast track. simply running laps won't help you to >appreciably develop your skills. .. > you need some quality >instruction, imho. To which S Jordan replied - No argument here. WHOA! Next thing you know, the blue hairs from the local retirement home will all pull over onto the shoulder & let me pass when I'm riding. Gimer & Jordan agreeing. ...must get home... need.... Beer... Track time w/quality instruction always beats track time on your own. If you can afford the "class" track time, do it. You will definitely get more out of it. But you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up on your own at a "regular" track day. While it is possible to absorb some good riding habits through osmosis, you can just as easily absorb someone else's bad habits... you get what you pay for... Dave Yates -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 16:12:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76KCi611232 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f76KB6320443; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:12:38 -0400 From: laura granato To: Tom Gimer , ricardo pontes , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:12:44 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20010806195054.76951.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010806195054.76951.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0108061612440G.02879@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit O > notice i mentioned it in terms of "appreciably" developing > skills. i've read ricardo's posts in the past, and i stand > by my comment. the man needs some instruction. point well taken! :-) > > > laura: clarify something for us. during your first track > experience, were you simply "turned loose" on the track, or > was it a classroom time/track time/classroom time/track > time type of deal? First I spent two hours of classroom instruction at their shop where they went through a very detailed instruction of how to conduct yourself on a track, the things you want to focus on in your riding (compared to street riding), what all of the flags meant, etc. etc. etc. In my humble opinion, this classroom was done so well, it almost made me scared to get on the track because of everything they were talking about. It made you realize track riding is a huge responsibility in a different way that street riding is. On the track day, the separated everyone into three classes, A, B, and C. Each class had at least ten instructors. They gave us a briefing in the morning about riding to refresh our memories on key stuff. They sent out three people per instructor with a decent time between each. The instructor took us on parade laps, at a slow pace, so we could see what the track was like. The parade laps lasted about 10 minutes to give everyone enough time to get a feel for the track. Once we came back in, the instructors grouped us and asked what questions we had. The morning was very, very structured. No passing anywhere! And each time you came in, you had an instructor pulling in with you to give you tips and answer questions. By the end of the day when people had more of an idea of what was going on and they were more comfortable, they allowed passing on the straights. IMHO, one of the safest track days for a complete beginner. Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 16:15:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [64.3.36.247]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76KFB611313 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29129 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:14:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:14:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: Subject: Re: 211- Thornton Gap In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010806155730.01f8e2e0@mail.lemrow.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Justin Lemrow wrote: > > I rode that road this weekend (sat) and it was pretty fun :). On your way > "up" it's two lanes which makes getting around the cages easier :) The > road conditions were pretty good, just be careful when you reach the top as > the skyline entrance is usually plagued with idiots entering and exiting > 211. If you can go the weekend before, I'd be willing to ride out there > with you. :) Notes to the wise... Due to the popularity, there is lots of enforcement on that road. Watch for LEO's. Keep your speed reasonable, especially on beautiful sunny days when there are multitudes of other bikes out. Also, more than one experienced rider has taken a spill there. Ride carefully and within your abilities. That said, this has to be one of the greatest of the great bits of blacktop in this area. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 16:15:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76KFw611323 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f76KEP320447; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:14:41 -0400 From: laura granato To: sdave@XXXXXX, "sdave@XXXXXX" , "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "ricardopontes@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re: Track Days for mere mortals Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:16:39 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0108061616390H.02879@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Yes, perhaps that's true for you and others that have track experience, > but not rookies... < untrue...I had no track experience and still learned a ton taking my street bike to a track day. LAG From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 16:16:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76KG6611333 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-46-98.s98.tnt4.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.98] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15Tqn9-00051E-00 ; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:16:00 -0400 Message-ID: <007d01c11eb4$9d9dde00$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Tom Gimer" , "laura granato" , "ricardo pontes" , References: <20010806195054.76951.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:15:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 If I may add a caveat about the schools, individual instruction can be minimal unless you're assertive and ask for it. I attended CLASS at VIR last month and aside from a thumbs up "atta boy" from one of the instructors I didn't receive any unsolicited instruction. During a break I asked an instructor I followed for a bit for some feedback. I definitely agree that the more structured the environment the better the first time out. Folks can get in over their heads in a hurry and the staff needs to lay down the ground rules. One of the things I appreciated about CLASS is that Reg and his people really set the tone from the get go and for the most part the students heeded what they say. I think you need an organization that does a pretty thorough tech inspection. I wouldn't want someone on the track with someone me who had dodgy tires or brakes, for example. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Gimer > --- laura granato wrote: > > On Monday 06 August 2001 15:31, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > spend the extra cash and take your bike to a cornering > > > class (keith code, class, or some other organization) > > > at an east coast track. simply running laps won't help > > > > Yes, if you want to get more "instruction" per say, > > spending the money to take a class is great...but anyone > > can learn each time they go out on a track. I think most > > > people who do a lot of track days will agree. I learn > > every time my bike goes out on that track, and then any > > classes I take help add to that. > > laura: clarify something for us. during your first track > experience, were you simply "turned loose" on the track, or > was it a classroom time/track time/classroom time/track > time type of deal? From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 16:17:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3806.mail.yahoo.com (web3806.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.111.177]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f76KH2611343 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010806201702.11419.qmail@web3806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.224.63.148] by web3806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 13:17:02 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:17:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: Re: MPD Speeding cameras/revenue enhancers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If only we could boycott Lockheed Martin. They're the ones who paid for all the cameras and had them mounted in the unmarked cruisers. Of course, when some procurement guy over at the pentagon gets a bunch of tickets on his way home from work, they might wish they did this in Chicago or New York instead of D.C. :^) Chris ===== Chris Weaver VTR1000 YSR50 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 16:21:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76KLK611423 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f76KLEq10344 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:21:14 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010806161735.025e1470@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:21:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: 211- Thornton Gap In-Reply-To: <20010806193500.69506.qmail@web11205.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed ftp://ftp.troutman.org/pub/motorcycle-stuff/videos/up211-4-29-01.avi That was shot off the back of my VFR earlier this year. In it - you will see Todd and Tom up my ass for most of the ride (cam pointing backwards). I wasn't exactly a smooth rider that day. I hope to go back this weekend and re-shoot 211 at a much smoother pace. As far as I know - that is the only 211 video available online. I really wish you all would get out there and run some good ones ;-) At 03:35 PM 8/6/01, you wrote: >I finally got to cruise through 211- Thornton's Gap >yesterday on my way back from Shenandoah. However, I >was a passenger in a Jeep Grand Cherokee. I now >understand why it's a great place for bikes. I'm >looking for someone that's familiar with 211 to ride >with me on Sunday, August 26th for a day trip. > >If anyone's interested, please let me know. > >I'll be starting from the Gaithersburg area. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 16:23:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f76KNA611444 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010806202301.74046.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 13:23:01 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:23:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals To: Chris Weaver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010806200941.10846.qmail@web3806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Man, this wouldn't be dc-cycles without Gimer talkin' > out of his ass. :^) j/k (sorta) > > If data is needed, then I qualify - on my first track > day, I was simply "turned loose" on the track. > (Loudoun Mo'sports sponsored) I learned A LOT that > day. dude. if you'd like to compare yourself and your needs to ricardo's, fine. however, it is quite clear to me from simply reading posts of listers that some are better suited to being turned loose than others. the guy asked for some advice, and some of you seem to be recommending that he take his tiger and get out there and bang elbows on the track. hey, after all, ricardo like crashes! imho, this is not what he needs. i think the man needs some classroom instruction and some one-on-one track instruction and that he shouldn't skimp on the track experience simply because some low-life, local dealer [oops!] offers a cheapie intro opportunity. > Enough at least that I found riding on the street > (even back roads) for the next few weeks to be boring > in the extreme if staying within tolerably safe > limits. I'd say that signifies that I learned > something about cornering. Maybe not a lot, but > something. again, my reference to "appreciably" improving skills is spot-on > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > laura: clarify something for us. during your first > > track experience, were you simply "turned loose" on the > > track, or was it a classroom time/track time/classroom > > time/track time type of deal? ===== tg For quality legal services at reasonable rates, check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 16:23:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76KNJ611454 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f76KNDq10349 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:23:13 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010806162145.025f4560@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:22:58 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: 211- Thornton Gap In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010806155730.01f8e2e0@mail.lemrow.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Fortunately the speed limit is 55, and most of it is within the boundaries of a national park. I always marvel at that 55 sign as I enter the first set of turns. At 04:14 PM 8/6/01, Dan Brown wrote: >Due to the popularity, there is lots of enforcement on that road. Watch >for LEO's. Keep your speed reasonable, especially on beautiful sunny days >when there are multitudes of other bikes out. Also, more than one >experienced rider has taken a spill there. Ride carefully and within your >abilities. > >That said, this has to be one of the greatest of the great bits of blacktop >in this area. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 16:29:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76KTc611579 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Whetu@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id r.21.f450727 (15877); Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web37.aolmail.aol.com (web37.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.13]) by air-id07.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-0806162926; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:29:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:29:26 EDT From: Whetu@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: MPD Speeding cameras/revenue enhancers To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <21.f450727.28a05827@aol.com> >If only we could boycott Lockheed Martin. They're the >ones who paid for all the cameras and had them mounted >in the unmarked cruisers. >Chris Yeah, the truly sick thing is that up to 96% of the ticket revenue is going to Lockheed Martin, not DC. >From 11-20MPH over the ticket is $30 & L/M keeps $29. Ticket recipients and the city are getting ripped on this one... -Euan whetu@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 16:34:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f75.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76KYD611671 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:22:29 -0700 Received: from 158.114.92.201 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 20:22:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [158.114.92.201] From: "Randy Moran" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Listers at the WERA 6-Hour Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:22:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 20:22:29.0708 (UTC) FILETIME=[8416B8C0:01C11EB5]

Tight Squeeze Racing, captained by Steve Clark w/ riders Mark Morrow and myself, won the Lightweight Superbike class in the WERA 6-hour National Endurance race at Summit Point on Saturday. It was a hard fought victory and, as is common in endurance racing, it hinged on some very good teams having some very bad luck. Also crucial to the victory was the tireless help of list lurker Dustin Crabtree, without whom we could not even have come close to winning. Thanks Dustin, and thanks also to Hugh Caldwell for putting in some hellishly hot hours out on the corners with MARRC,  and for stopping by our pit to offer encouragement.

I hope you all had a great weekend,

Randy


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From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 16:36:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76Kak611752 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189] (may be forged)) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f76KaI320533; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:36:34 -0400 From: laura granato To: Tom Gimer , Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:37:17 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <20010806202301.74046.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010806202301.74046.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0108061637170J.02879@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit O > > dude. if you'd like to compare yourself and your needs to > ricardo's, fine. however, it is quite clear to me from > simply reading posts of listers that some are better suited > to being turned loose than others. > > the guy asked for some advice, and some of you seem to be > recommending that he take his tiger and get out there and > bang elbows on the track. hey, after all, ricardo like > crashes! imho, this is not what he needs. > > i think the man needs some classroom instruction and some > one-on-one track instruction and that he shouldn't skimp on > the track experience simply because some low-life, local > dealer [oops!] offers a cheapie intro opportunity. > settle down, Beavis. Good goodness...what we are trying to say is a track day is not banging elbows. It's very constrained and full of instruction for a good price. Any beginner can get out on the track and learn and be safe. If you don't know, when I took my track day, I had only 900 miles under my belt of riding a bike EVER! It is probably more helpful for way beginners than for those who are more seasoned. Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 16:41:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from FW1.dt.navy.mil (FW1.dt.navy.mil [192.5.27.135]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76Kf5611793 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by FW1.dt.navy.mil; id QAA14927; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(130.46.225.16) by FW1.dt.navy.mil via smap (V5.5) id xma014486; Mon, 6 Aug 01 16:40:27 -0400 Received: from NAVGATE.dt.navy.mil (navgate.dt.navy.mil [130.46.225.15]) by smtprelay.dt.navy.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA29640 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:39:50 -0400 Received: (from silbergejw2k [130.46.162.39]) by NAVGATE.dt.navy.mil (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2001080616394902374 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:39:49 -0400 Message-ID: <00f201c11eb7$f3994080$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> Reply-To: "Eric Silberg" From: "Eric Silberg" To: References: <20010806202301.74046.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> <0108061637170J.02879@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:39:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 > settle down, Beavis. Good goodness...what we are trying to say is a track > day is not banging elbows. It's very constrained and full of instruction for Huh huh, huh huh...you said banging... (sorry, couldn't resist) Eric From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 17:01:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14608.mail.yahoo.com (web14608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f76L1F612172 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010806210113.75558.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14608.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 14:01:13 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:01:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals To: laura granato , Chris Weaver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0108061637170J.02879@firewall.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- laura granato wrote: > > > > dude. if you'd like to compare yourself and your needs > > to ricardo's, fine. however, it is quite clear to me > > from simply reading posts of listers that some are > > better suited to being turned loose than others. > > > > the guy asked for some advice, and some of you seem to > > be recommending that he take his tiger and get out there > > and bang elbows on the track. hey, after all, ricardo > > likes crashes! imho, this is not what he needs. > > > > i think the man needs some classroom instruction and > > some one-on-one track instruction and that he shouldn't > > skimp on the track experience simply because some low- > > life, local dealer [oops!] offers a cheapie intro > > opportunity. > > > settle down, Beavis. hmmm. considering the tone of the discussion to date, it is a mystery why you feel the need to tell me to calm down. rather than pursue it, i think i'll overlook the above because it appears that you're just struggling miserably to elicit a (as in 1) laugh. > Good goodness...what we are trying to say is a track day > is not banging elbows. It's very constrained and full of > instruction for a good price. i was under the impression that many racers took advantage of the track days sponsored at summit point because it gave them an opportunity to practice at a reasonable price. do the sponsors attempt to divide the track sessions based upon riders' skill levels? for the sake of ricardo and others in his position, i hope they do. ===== tg For quality legal services at reasonable rates, check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 17:08:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11507.mail.yahoo.com (web11507.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f76L8w612280 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010806210854.25270.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.36.105.60] by web11507.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 14:08:54 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:08:54 -0700 (PDT) From: ricardo pontes Subject: track days for mere mortals To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks all, Laura i agree with you that you learn everytime you do something, in this case every time you go to the track. I find myself learning something new everyday whenever i ride, perhaps i dont learn by leaps and bounds but little by little i get better. perhaps its better to take a course, and with the instruction of a erudite rider i could learn much quicker, but i dont plan on making this much more than just learning how to ride better in the streets. I think going to a track and going arounda couple of times could be a nice experience, i dont need any other instructions. I might go slower than the rest, but i am learning something while doing it. I think every rider needs a bit more learning, its usually a fatal mistake when riders think they are too good. My question for the group is How much does a track day cost? Are there modification to the bike that need to be done, i heard some liquids need to be drained? When are they held? Summit point? Ricardo Pontes 98 tiger __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 17:11:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f76LBJ612293 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:08:34 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 15:15:02 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f76LBK612294 Ricardo, Here's my take on track days and classes. This year I have done 3 track days and taken level one at CSS. For me there wasn't much instruction during the first two track days, at the last one I made a effort to get a control rider to work with me, and follow me instead of me just following their lines, he would follow me for a few laps, then have me follow him, then we would then talk a little after the session. You will get much better feedback if you ask for it. The CSS school was my 2nd track outing this year, and after doing the class, I went to my next track day and found I was a lot more comfortable on the track at speed, and could spend more energy/concentration on riding techniques and being smoother. If you just sign up for a track day, at least buy Keith Codes Twist series books, (no 2 is better) and work on a lesson during each session. Try not to get caught with other riders etc. The class is better, but this method works for me also. NESBA offers a free into session at all of their events. Just sign up on the web, ride you bike up the morning of the session, tape or remove your mirrors and you can ride with the Beginner group the first 2 sessions. (you will get to corner way faster than you ever have on the street) Riding on the street after a track day is different though. Regards, George Cole >>> ricardo pontes 08/06/01 02:57PM >>> I am intersted in taking my tiger for a "trackday", but i dont know where to go. And how much it would cost and what i need. I would like to ride in a track, not ot become a racer but to become better in my riding skills and become more comfortable with my petite tiger. Anyone know of a place where mere mortals can go a couple of rounds around a track? Ricardo Pontes 98 tiger __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 17:12:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76LCV612387 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-51-6.s260.tnt6.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.51.6] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15Trfn-0007PY-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 17:12:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c11ebc$80d656a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: Re: MPD Speeding cameras/revenue enhancers Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:02:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Yates harumphed as follows: "The bandwagon is growing - WTOP interviewed AAA who remarked that perhaps if there's such a need as all those speed cameras, then maybe the speed limit is set too low.... To illustrate their point, they sent a report out to actually do 25 mph in DC... last report is that everyone was passing him..." "MPD - 'We can't find Chandra, but we'll damn well catch every speeder this side of the mountains...'" What gives, I know you have some sort of hard-on for the District, but I'm at a loss as to what this has to do with Chandra. Are they reassigning detectives to man the camera cruisers? Unfortunately Lockheed Martin doesn't get a $29 cut of every felony arrest. The problem I have with it is that as a practical matter of improving safety, it's a dubious proposition. You can speed all you want as long as you can afford to pay. Just go on your merry may and if you get nabbed, just drop the check in the mail. It's a speeding tax. How long do you think it will take before people will be able to spot the Crown Vics? Since cars are ticketed and not drivers under this system, it will do nothing to nail the serious menaces. District law has a provision that at 30 over the limit (I think) you're subject to arrest. A notice in the mail ten days later is unlikely to have the same impact. You'll still have to get the serious bad actors the old fashioned way with a traffic stop. I'm also going to get some security screws for my license plates. There's now even more incentive to steal license plates. 25 mph, well it depends. Most of the major thoroughfares have higher limits, unless they are in a residential neighborhood. I don't think 25 is unreasonable on a narrow street lined with houses. At least we don't have those damned speed bumps...yet. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 17:34:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76LYU612702 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f76LYG320640; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:34:17 -0400 From: laura granato To: Tom Gimer , laura granato , Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:36:04 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <20010806210113.75558.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010806210113.75558.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0108061736040N.02879@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > hmmm. considering the tone of the discussion to date, it > is a mystery why you feel the need to tell me to calm down. > rather than pursue it, i think i'll overlook the above > because it appears that you're just struggling miserably to > elicit a (as in 1) laugh. > yes, gimer...humor...something you don't understand, because as usual, you sit on your high horse with your head up your ass. there are many different view points, and I think that when people ask for advice, they have a right to consider everyone's opinion, because, in the end, it's their decision. > > i was under the impression that many racers took advantage > of the track days sponsored at summit point because it gave > them an opportunity to practice at a reasonable price. do > the sponsors attempt to divide the track sessions based > upon riders' skill levels? for the sake of ricardo and > others in his position, i hope they do. > yes, they do, on both accounts. many racers do use "practice days" for practice...usually licensed racer only practice days. however, we do participate in regular track days when we want to improve on skills we need to work on, and we know that we are on the track with beginners, so we don't act like racers. And, yes, many track days do divide between racers and non-racers. Also, cycle sport treats everyone as a beginner... if they see people acting like "racers", they are talked to, and if their behavior doesn't change...they are dismissed. for the most part, though, we racers only participate in racer-only track days. participating in regular track days don't allow us to practice what we need to practice...thus the reason cycle sport is good for beginners...the only racers you'll tend to find there will be actual instructors. LAG From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 17:34:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.106]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76LYk612712 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [63.90.249.34] by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.90.249.34]) id QQlayo03332; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:34:38 GMT Received: from mail.racalcomm.com by [63.90.249.34] via smtpd (for dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.106]) with SMTP; 6 Aug 2001 21:34:38 UT Received: by mail.racalcomm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:31:06 -0400 Message-ID: <15AB66EB3709D4118C0900508BC74D9FDF6E8A@mail.racalcomm.com> From: "StPeter, Jay" To: "'t_gimer@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:31:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Tom, You Wrote: i was under the impression that many racers took advantage of the track days sponsored at summit point because it gave them an opportunity to practice at a reasonable price You may be thinking about the MARRC track days. These days are for racers to go out and work on setup etc. The RACING LICENSE HOLDING riders are essentially set free on the track for 20 minutes or so at a time. Cycle Sport track days are a much different event. They are designed with street riders in mind and work up the pace slowly throughout the day. The emphasis is on safety and it is a great way to safely have fun on the track. The control riders are pretty controlling. There are 3 groups and they will promote/demote riders who have skill levels unmatched with their group. The slow group is pretty darn slow (no offense to anyone who has ridden there, just stating a fact based on the stopwatch :)). I was surprised to see how well they ran it. I recommend the Cycle Sport track day to anyone who thinks it will be enjoyable. As Laura said, be careful it is addictive. I ran a spring event and had a a couple of race weekends under my belt (leathers) by the fall. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 17:52:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f76LqU613043 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010806215229.4932.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 14:52:29 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:52:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals To: laura granato , laura granato Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0108061736040N.02879@firewall.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- laura granato wrote: > > > > hmmm. considering the tone of the discussion to date, > > it is a mystery why you feel the need to tell me to calm > > down. rather than pursue it, i think i'll overlook the > > above because it appears that you're just struggling > > miserably to elicit a (as in 1) laugh. > > > yes, gimer...humor...something you don't understand, > because as usual, you sit on your high horse with your > head up your ass. laura, i understand humor....but the problem here is that YOU WEREN'T FUNNY! i take credit for my bad jokes on this list.....you should consider doing the same rather than getting touchy and on the offensive. > there are many different view points, > and I think that when people ask for advice, they have a > right to consider everyone's opinion, because, in the > end, it's their decision. correct. even MY opinion is to be given consideration. i think ricardo would gain the most from reading code's books and attending a code class with his own bike. > > i was under the impression that many racers took > > advantage of the track days sponsored at summit point > > because it gave them an opportunity to practice at a > > reasonable price. do the sponsors attempt to divide the > > track sessions based upon riders' skill levels? for > > the sake of ricardo and others in his position, i hope > > they do. > > > yes, they do, on both accounts. many racers do use > "practice days" for practice...usually licensed racer > only practice days. however, we do participate in regular > track days when we want to improve on skills we need > to work on, and we know that we are on the track with > beginners, so we don't act like racers. And, yes, many > track days do divide between racers and non-racers. > Also, cycle sport treats everyone as a beginner... if > they see people acting like "racers", they are talked to, > and if their behavior doesn't change...they are > dismissed. for the most part, though, we racers > only participate in racer-only track days. participating > in regular track days don't allow us to practice what we > need to practice...thus the reason cycle sport is good > for beginners...the only racers you'll tend to find there > will be actual instructors. well then, it sounds as though ricardo could also clearly benefit from a cycle sport track day. ===== tg For quality legal services at reasonable rates, check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 17:54:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2 (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76LsB613055 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p52.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.180]) by pop2 (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA29956; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:54:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Paul Wilson'" , "'dc-cycles list'" Subject: RE: Re: MPD Speeding cameras/revenue enhancers Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:49:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c11ec2$fac3a8e0$b482c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000201c11ebc$80d656a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Paul wondered ... - Yates harumphed as follows: "The bandwagon is growing - WTOP interviewed AAA who remarked that perhaps if there's such a need as all those speed cameras, then maybe the speed limit is set too low.... To illustrate their point, they sent a report out to actually do 25 mph in DC... last report is that everyone was passing him..." "MPD - 'We can't find Chandra, but we'll damn well catch every speeder this side of the mountains...'" What gives, I know you have some sort of hard-on for the District Watch where you're lookin' bud... ;-) , but I'm at a loss as to what this has to do with Chandra. Let's see... they can allocate cops OT for this, but not to find a missing person (ok, a very (in)famous missing person)... Are they reassigning detectives to man the camera cruisers? Unfortunately Lockheed Martin doesn't get a $29 cut of every felony arrest. Then perhaps they should (MPD) consider a little belt tightening... The problem I have with it is that as a practical matter of improving safety, it's a dubious proposition. ... Dubious is a good choice... I'd probably be more inclined to be on the lookout if nabbed... District law has a provision that at 30 over the limit (I think) you're subject to arrest. ANY time you're pulled over, an arrest is undertaken and you can be hauled off - be it 1mph over, or 100 (remember the SCOTUS ruling on the minivan mom in Texas? ) 25 mph, well it depends. AAA's point was - and it's valid - if 90% of the cars are going way over the limit, the limit is wrong, not the drivers. It doesn't apply 100%, but it should be more widely applied. Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 18:06:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76M6j613326 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f76M6L320690; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:06:22 -0400 From: laura granato To: Tom Gimer , laura granato Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:08:35 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <20010806215229.4932.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010806215229.4932.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0108061808350R.02879@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit O > laura, i understand humor....but the problem here is that > YOU WEREN'T FUNNY! i take credit for my bad jokes on this > list.....you should consider doing the same rather than > getting touchy and on the offensive. > it was a joke, tom, in reference to the fact that you get so "passionate" in your responses. sorry that you did not find it funny. (that was serious). please accept my apology. LAG From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 18:27:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11501.mail.yahoo.com (web11501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f76MRE613682 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010806222713.6954.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.10.42.222] by web11501.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 15:27:13 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:27:13 -0700 (PDT) From: ricardo pontes Subject: track days for mere mortals To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii After visiting this Brits homepage i suddenly got inspired to take my tiger on the track. Jeremy is an excellent rider, and has over 70k on his tiger. Check it out! http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jeremy.sagar/bikes.htm Ricardo Pontes 1998 Triumph TIger www.geocities.com/ricardopontes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 18:28:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76MS3613692 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.14.181ceb58 (3999) for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:27:59 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <14.181ceb58.28a073ee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:27:58 EDT Subject: Re: Saving a tank-slapper? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/27/2001 10:28:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX writes: > Bikes become more tankslapper prone with mechanical things > like steering angle, rake and trail set fairly radically for newer > sportbikes. Go to your local bike shop and see how many sportbikes are > coming with stock steering dampers. Sorry, but newer bikes are far less prone to speed wobbles then the old ones (Like the Kaw 750 triples) As for steering dampers coming stock, virtually all bikes came with them when I started riding (Usually friction types) The current use of them has more to do with marketing then with need. Suzuki put them on the new twins when _riders_ complained about wobble, even though their test riders or the test riders of the major magazines found no problem. If you are having a problem with wobble it is time to find out what _you_ are doing wrong, because. "_design_ is virtually unheard of as a cause of wobble today. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 18:37:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f76MbF613843 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.34.18ef1e24 (3999) for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:37:01 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <34.18ef1e24.28a0760c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:37:00 EDT Subject: Re: Saving a tank-slapper? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/27/2001 7:09:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > >sorry, but there's a large difference between a "wobble"and a tank-slapper. No there is not! A tank slapper starts as a wobble and becomes violent through improper technique. >"ease off throttle"? i love it. there ain't no easin' anything in this situation. There is nothing else _but_ easing off. Slamming the throttle off loads the front wheel suddenly... See above. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 19:01:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f76N1u614255 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7197 invoked by uid 1001); 6 Aug 2001 23:01:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20010806230154.7196.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com for [198.77.68.15] via web-mailer on Mon, 06 Aug 2001 18:01:54 -0500 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 18:01:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals hey, I took my HOnda cb750 "it's just a nighthawk" to the track day held by cycle sport and was kicking 600cc supersport butt. (or at least the incompetent riders) The tiger has a lot more weight and it's a hhigh CG bike but I don't see that as being too difficult. Heck, I have plenty of high quality fun on a measily gs500... -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 19:43:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f76NhG615007 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010806234315.22396.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.149.211] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:43:15 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:43:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Saving a tank-slapper? To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34.18ef1e24.28a0760c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/27/2001 7:09:17 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > > >sorry, but there's a large difference between a > >"wobble"and a tank-slapper. > > No there is not! A tank slapper starts as a wobble and > becomes violent through improper technique. perhaps. but not in my situations ((1) WFO hard acceleration on a slightly uphill rise; (2) quick acceleration over surprisingly bumpy pavement)....things became violent through the immediate passage of time. i experienced no "wobble" prior to a violent thrashing. i will accept the blame because i was riding aggressively--but i'm hesitant to do so for "improper technique." > >"ease off throttle"? i love it. there ain't no easin' > >anything in this situation. > > There is nothing else _but_ easing off. Slamming the > throttle off loads the front wheel suddenly... See above. exactly. slamming the throttle shut OR open is an involuntary response in this situation. conscious pilot input is minimal. if the bars slap right, throttle may close; left and the throttle may open. possibly both within a fraction of a second. i would love to see the MSF recommended procedure in action to see if it is possible to react positively during the relevant time period. the physics is one thing, i.e., it is clear there is a desired result. however, is it physically possible to predictably foster it? not in my experience. ===== tg For quality legal services at reasonable rates, check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 19:53:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14609.mail.yahoo.com (web14609.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f76Nru615175 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010806235355.81693.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.149.211] by web14609.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:53:55 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:53:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Saving a tank-slapper?, etc. -- enough! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010806234315.22396.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i hereby promise to stop typing for the day __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 20:15:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1a.TRW.COM (mailhub1a.TRW.COM [129.193.4.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f770FK615579 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from navieg2.trw.com by mailhub1a.TRW.COM for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:41:41 -0700 Received: from resva-gs1.resva.trw.com ([158.114.112.210]) by navieg2 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 76) with SMTP id M2001080609444629695 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 09:44:46 -0700 Received: from SITG-GW-Message_Server by resva-gs1.resva.trw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:41:36 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:41:28 -0400 From: "Randy Moran" To: Subject: DC Cycles at the WERA 6-hour Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f770FQ615580 Tight Squeeze Racing, captained by Steve Clark w/ riders Mark Morrow and myself, won the Lightweight Superbike class in the WERA 6-hour National Endurance race at Summit Point on Saturday. It was a hard fought victory and, as is common in endurance racing, it hinged on some very good teams having some very bad luck. Also crucial to the victory was the tireless help of list lurker Dustin Crabtree, without whom we could not even have come close to winning. Thanks Dustin, and thanks also to Hugh Caldwell for putting in some hellishly hot hours out on the corners with MARRC, and for stopping by our pit to offer encouragement. I hope you all had a great weekend, Randy From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 20:29:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f770TZ615749 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010807002918.XQC29550.femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:29:18 -0700 Message-ID: <3B6F3672.4F67717B@home.com> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 20:29:38 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: laura granato CC: Tom Gimer , laura granato , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals References: <20010806210113.75558.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> <0108061736040N.02879@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit laura granato wrote: > > yes, gimer...humor...something you don't understand, because as usual, you > sit on your high horse with your head up your ass. Laura, Thanks for the great visual. :) Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 6 22:54:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from host3.mywebsitehost.com (host3.mywebsitehost.com [209.239.36.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f772s7618087 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 22:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aaron2qfyde3ks (24-168-201-28.wo.cox.rr.com [24.168.201.28]) by host3.mywebsitehost.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f772s6025411 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 22:54:06 -0400 From: "Aaron Randolph" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: 211- Thornton Gap Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 22:51:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010806193500.69506.qmail@web11205.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Delurking to add my reply. A group of us go up there almost every weekend, usually on Saturdays. We meet at the Multiplex in Centreville around 8 or 9, take some back roads there, then go up and down it several times. It's been weird lately, as there have no almost no other bikes except us. And very few cops. Compared to when we went in May and ran into a group of about 30 bikes. (Ran into someone on this list that same day, but not sure who. We were a group of 7, and he was on a red VFR I think, with someone else) Might be because we go so early. It's a fast group, all sportbikes, and no squids. You can find more info on the esportbike.com message board under Local Rides in the NoVa thread. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Rosenstock [mailto:m_rosenstock@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:35 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: 211- Thornton Gap I finally got to cruise through 211- Thornton's Gap yesterday on my way back from Shenandoah. However, I was a passenger in a Jeep Grand Cherokee. I now understand why it's a great place for bikes. I'm looking for someone that's familiar with 211 to ride with me on Sunday, August 26th for a day trip. If anyone's interested, please let me know. I'll be starting from the Gaithersburg area. Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 01:38:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f775ct620739 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 01:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO jefflg) (209.147.78.216) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2001 05:38:54 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Suzookus Maximus" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Track Days for mere mortals Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 01:35:16 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal I've done quite a few track days recently (5 @ VIR South and 2 @ Summit Jefferson since July 1st). Around the mid-atlantic area I think there are three major clubs; NESBA, Pro-Motion and Reduc. I've been on the track with the first two, don't know anything about Reduc. There's also CornerSpeed, but they seem to be mostly a licensing school that offers racer track days. I don't have a lot of street riding experience; little over a year on my GSXR. I ride a race prepped SV650 for the track days. My goal is to get more confidence and some experience on the track to be a better rider and race my SV. Here's my impression of each club and related comments... NESBA -- non-profit club - run very professionally - very strong emphasis on safety and pace control. I started with these guys and currently ride in their beginner class (they have 3 classes Beginner, Intermediate and Advanced). I'm going to ask to move up to intermediate next session. B & I are sport bike classes, A is a racer class. Not only do you have to be a good rider to get into advanced your bike must be race prepped (wired, no anti-freeze, etc..). Their free-intro class would be cool for you to get a track experience to see if you like it. The first two sessions when the intro-riders are there are VERY slow. It was cool my first time on the track, but after I got used to my bike (had never ridden my new SV before) and riding on the track, they seemed excruciatingly slow. :0 However, after the intro riders are gone the pace picks up. I usually try to grid in the front so I get get down the track ahead of them. I'll usually catch the slower guys mid-session, but its not that hard to pass them. (except if THEY are on a R1 or VTR1000 and you are on a SV650 and THEY gun it down the straights right as you were gonna pass them to avoid falling asleep behind them in the turns... ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!) At Summit Jefferson I was pretty pleased with being able to keep up with most of the faster guys in the Beginner class who were on bikes with 30-50% more power than mine. (ok ok -- was the small course .. not my skills. :) ... ) A word about passing - always seems to be a question or two from new track riders. In Beginner - NO passing except for straights. On VIR south this is just the main straight. On Summit there were two spots and then in the afternoon they loosened it up for the small straight before the long sweeper in the back section. Intermediate - passing in straights and turn before entrances and upon exiting. Although they discouraged passing coming into the entrances. Advanced - passing everywhere, but they emphasized that it's not a race; be courteous. All of the the control riders I've encountered are very helpful and go out of their way to help you; they will show you the lines, follow you through those lines, and give you on and off track feedback. For me it was great since sometimes I have no clue that I am doing something that prohibits me from going faster. For instance I really didn't know how to lean my bike over in a turn well, one of the CRs pulled me aside and told me that I was fighting the bike and making it unhappy. :) He explained to me what I could do to be better, said try it out and let me know what you think. My next time out was noticibly better. Now this weekend I actually had my knee slider touching a couple times. (just twice and only for split seconds -- but it was cool!) It also is always nice to get feedback from folks you meet at the track who were watching you go by. ### PRO-MOTION -- for profit business (not totally sure if this makes a big difference between the 2 clubs) - IMO run kind of loose - atmosphere tending towards less control; have fun, but don't be stupid. I got the impression that the guys running PM understood that some people think they are too loose. They made a pretty big point of telling us at the rider meetings to let them know about any negative things that might be going on that they don't see. I was with them at VIR last weekend. I think they were low on control riders that day (7 for the day with about 70+ riders), so about 3-4 per class as most of the CRs rode double stints. However, I'm not mentioning the 'looseness' as a criticism, as I am sure many riders might like this style better. PM has 4 classes. White (beginners), Red, Blue, Black (racers). I told them my track experience (5 days before this last weekend) and I was put in the Red group. White class was similar to NESBA's beginner class, but it seemed to me that at the riders were a bit faster than NESBA beginners (btw -- passing only in straights for white). Red group is a sport bike class. Passing in straights and on the outside of turns. I'm not sure if the kinks at VIR qualify as turns or straights but faster riders passed me on either side. A couple times I got passed on both sides at the same time. :0 (A pox on those darn those R6 riders!!! LOL) I'm not totally sure, but I think they only real difference between Blue and Black is bike setup (black requiring full racing setup and passing is allowed anywhere -- just no stuffing! -- They actually black flagged a guy a couple times for stuffing people.). If they they have a lot of riders they will ride 4 groups, which means less track time (15 minutes per stint rather than 20). They combined blue and black together during my weekend at VIR since those two groups were smaller. With both clubs common sense is always the best rule -- I 'drag raced' another guy on a SV up the VIR South straight who I knew was WAY faster than me in the turns. I could have stayed ahead coming into turn one, but I knew it would suck for him so I eased off the gas a little to let him pass. After talking to him later I knew that my courtesy totally made his day and made for an exciting couple laps for me as I pushed hard to keep up (uh yeah he lost me after a lap ...) Their websites have the best info on cost, schedules, and what you need, but here it is in a nutshell: Track cost ==> averages $150/day Bike Needs ==> nice running bike, tires at about 75% or more, fresh brakes, mirrors taped (better to remove), all lights taped (for NESBA INTRO u don't have to do this, but is suggested) Gear Needs ==> leathers (full or 2 piece), helmet, back protector, GP gloves and boots (for NESBA INTRO they allow u wearing a leather jacket and 2 pairs of jeans -- I was kind of shocked at this when I read it online but given the fact that the intro/beginner sessions are run very very slow, it *seems* acceptable.) Lots of water and some snacks... a track tent also is great for shade... and more water... http://www.nesba.com/ http://www.teampromotion.com/ Annual membership for PM $65 -- if you are gonna do 2 or more days, it is worth it to purchase membership as they charge $30 more for non-members per day. It is $75 for NESBA -- even higher non-member higher track fees. If you are gonna do more than 1 day with NESBA it saves big to join. Pro-Motion rents gear, bikes, and does two-up rides (for non-riders I guess...). One guy I rode with in both clubs summed it up like this: NESBA is a hobby run like business. Pro-Motion is a business run like hobby. :) Regardless of the differences, I liked both clubs. If I had to choose one over the other I think I would choose NESBA, but they wouldn't win out by a whole lot. BTW -- Other's have said this and it is true! It is VERY addictive. I joined PM's club because I wanted more days than NESBA was offering. If you have any questions, email me off the list. -jeff ===== ->bikes: '00 GSX-R750, 01 SV650 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 01:44:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fc.Capaccess.org (fc.capaccess.org [151.200.199.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f775iS620819 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 01:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 01:44:34 -0400 Subject: Free engine & rolling chassis, 1985 Virago 700, for parts only To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit About 35k miles on this engine, no electrics, starter-related parts, or left engine case (stator cover). Good engine parts, wheels, and tires if you have one of these bikes, otherwise don't bother. No title this time. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 07:25:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from xcgca811.corp.logicon.com (xcgca811.corp.logicon.com [137.51.212.181]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f77BPo626911 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 07:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 137.51.212.181 by xcgca811.corp.logicon.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 07 Aug 2001 04:25:29 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Received: by xcgca811.corp.logicon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 04:25:29 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'vfr@XXXXXX'" Subject: AMA Weekend @ VIR Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 04:25:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm looking to hook up with any one riding down to VIR on weekend of 29-30 Sept for AMA racing. Would like to plan a scenic ride down and back. Steve 97 VFR Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 08:14:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pandora.gtsi.com (gateway.gtsi.com [192.254.22.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77CEY627677 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch2.corp.gtsi.com (exch2.gtsi.com [192.254.20.203]) by pandora.gtsi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f77CAqd08460; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by exch2.gtsi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:05:34 -0400 Message-ID: <23607C0BFEAAD211B8B80008C79A0ADA035165BA@exchgreen.gtsi.com> From: Phil Simerly To: "'Wimer, Peter'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Help with Chrome Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:07:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Easy OFF Oven cleaner (Won't scratch the crome) -----Original Message----- From: Wimer, Peter [mailto:peter.wimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:18 PM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Help with Chrome For those who have chrome on their bikes, I had someone get too close to my exhaust pipes and I know have a wonderful "splotch" of a nylon like substance melted onto my pipe. Any idea how I could get this off without wrecking the finish? I tried to work at it with a razor blade over the weekend and felt I was doing more harm than good. What is the best way to keep the chrome looking good? Pete Wimer '01 Suzuki Savage peter.wimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 08:23:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pandora.gtsi.com (gateway.gtsi.com [192.254.22.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77CNl627837 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch2.corp.gtsi.com (exch2.gtsi.com [192.254.20.203]) by pandora.gtsi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f77CK5d08632; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by exch2.gtsi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:14:48 -0400 Message-ID: <23607C0BFEAAD211B8B80008C79A0ADA035165BB@exchgreen.gtsi.com> From: Phil Simerly To: "'Paul Wilson'" , dc-cycles list Subject: RE: Flying circus Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:17:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Due to my lack of knowing the area I got lost and by the time I found the wrong airpark it was over. Sorry I missed you. :-( -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:02 AM To: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Flying circus Matt Patton and I rode down for the festivities yesterday, taking the scenic route through Prince William Forest and Clifton. The Flying Circus was a nice destination and it's hard to beat the admission price (free for those on two wheels). They put on a two-hour air show and airplane rides were available for a fee ($20 for a quick ride; $60 for a half-hour) before and after for those inclined. There are some very skilled pilots in those vintage aircraft. I didn't do too much bike-related stuff since I met up with some family members on arrival, but there was a good bike turnout, lots of Harleys and Wings. A rider from Hampton, Va. won the distance award. It was quite hot and sticky and after an hour-long ride in full leathers sitting on the bleachers was not the ideal way to cool off, but still a nice way to spend a Sunday afternoon. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: John Germuga > HillJack, > > I ride a Shadow VLX. Haven't got the t-shirt though. > > Too bad I didn't get your post earlier as I might have > joined you on Sunday. Already made plans though. > > Keep me posted on or off line if you have any other > rides planned. Also, let us know if the flying circus > was worth the trip. Pending review, maybe some others > will be up for it another weekend. > > John From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 08:40:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3805.mail.yahoo.com (web3805.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.111.176]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f77CeA628098 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010807124009.26659.qmail@web3805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web3805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 05:40:09 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 05:40:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: AMA Weekend @ VIR To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm interested in going down there, but I was considering using my cargo van so I have a convenient place to sleep. If anyone's got a cheap hotel/motel room, it would be nicer to ride down. Scooter, didn't you say you had an extra spot? How long are you going to be there and how much are they charging? Chris Weaver --- "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" wrote: > I'm looking to hook up with any one riding down to > VIR on weekend of 29-30 > Sept for AMA racing. Would like to plan a scenic > ride down and back. > > Steve > 97 VFR > Warrenton, VA ===== Chris Weaver VTR1000 YSR50 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 08:44:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77CiA628174 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id r.12a.2526c45 (4522); Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:43:53 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <12a.2526c45.28a13c89@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:43:53 EDT Subject: Re: AMA Weekend @ VIR To: chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12a.2526c45.28a13c89_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 --part1_12a.2526c45.28a13c89_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/01 8:42:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chris_vtr@XXXXXX writes: > > I'm interested in going down there, but I was > considering using my cargo van so I have a convenient > place to sleep. If anyone's got a cheap hotel/motel > Last I knew most of the hotels close by were booked. (This was back in December.....so it's probably worse now. Plan on bringing a tent if you have to....or a van to sleep in.) Keener --part1_12a.2526c45.28a13c89_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/01 8:42:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
chris_vtr@XXXXXX writes:



I'm interested in going down there, but I was
considering using my cargo van so I have a convenient
place to sleep. If anyone's got a cheap hotel/motel
room, it would be nicer to ride down.


Last I knew most of the hotels close by were booked.  (This was back in
December.....so it's probably worse now.  Plan on bringing a tent if you have
to....or a van to sleep in.)

Keener --part1_12a.2526c45.28a13c89_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 08:52:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pandora.gtsi.com (gateway.gtsi.com [192.254.22.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77CqU628357 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch2.corp.gtsi.com (exch2.gtsi.com [192.254.20.203]) by pandora.gtsi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f77CmGd09318; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by exch2.gtsi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:42:59 -0400 Message-ID: <23607C0BFEAAD211B8B80008C79A0ADA035165BC@exchgreen.gtsi.com> From: Phil Simerly To: "'lisa@XXXXXX'" , dccycles Subject: RE: Races at Summit Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:45:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I worked turn 6 on Sat. If you saw a big geekly looking guy in whites wearing red head phones that was me. I was also riding my Black Harley (The Couch). Didn't hang out much after (except to eat) because it was raining. Well it was raining until I got all my rain gear on, then it stopped and the ride home was great. Did anyone see that guy in the mini practice on sat. pull the wheel stand coming out of turn six, now that was kewl. Also someone lost it coming out of turn 6 and went down low sided hitting the dragons teeth at the edge of the track, the fuel cap popped off and the sparks from the slide caught the whole thing on fire sliding all the way to the tire wall with fuel and fire following. Big burst of flame as it hit the tire wall, I ran with fire extinguisher to help put the fire out but the worker at turn 7 had it under control before I could get my old decrepit fat ass up there. The rider was over the tire wall standing holding his wrist. Not sure what happened to him. The bike on the other hand had broken the hose off the front brake reservoir, shifter broken off, Exhaust broken off, fuel cap broken off, and the bike was lightly toasted and covered in the crap that is in the fire extinguisher. I was glade to see the rider was up and walking after that kind of a spill. This was the first bike race I worked and I had a great time. Except I didn't have any time to come and find/meet anyone on the list. :-( -----Original Message----- From: lisa@XXXXXX [mailto:lgoddard@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:28 AM To: dccycles Subject: Races at Summit Jay and I went up to Summit Point on Saturday and camped out for the night to watch the races. Even with the heat we had a great time. I also reached new heights in squidlyness! Chris Weaver was kind enough to let me ride his YSR. Not only did I ride the YSR wearing no helmet, shorts and a tee shirt but I then decided to delve further in to the world of squidlyness! We were camped out at turn 6, Chris said he was heading back to the pit area. I put on my rollerblades and Chris gave me a pull using the YSR! I think that was even more fun than riding the YSR. The wooden bridge on the way to the pit did represent a unique challenge! Lisa '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 09:38:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f77DcI629202 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-163-103-196.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.163.103.196) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2001 13:38:16 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: AMA Weekend @ VIR Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:36:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 I've ordered my ticket and I'm planning on camping. Is there camping at the track? If so, what are the facilities like? I hope to leave on Friday early and catch all the action (and celebrate my birthday). Maybe we can get a group together? LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 09:38:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13804.mail.yahoo.com (web13804.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f77DcS629212 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010807133828.39515.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13804.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 06:38:28 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 06:38:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: AMA Weekend @ VIR To: SKeener2@XXXXXX, chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <12a.2526c45.28a13c89@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was thinking about riding down and camping. Could be a blast if a bunch of us went...... --- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/7/01 8:42:09 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > chris_vtr@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > I'm interested in going down there, but I was > > considering using my cargo van so I have a > convenient > > place to sleep. If anyone's got a cheap > hotel/motel > > > > Last I knew most of the hotels close by were booked. > (This was back in > December.....so it's probably worse now. Plan on > bringing a tent if you have > to....or a van to sleep in.) > > Keener > ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 09:42:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77DgN629319 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQlbba16718; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:42:20 GMT Received: from usashexims05.corp.us.uu.net by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: usashexims05.corp.us.UU.NET [153.39.80.16]) id QQlbba11812; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:41:44 GMT Received: by usashexims05.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:40:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'t_gimer@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'ricardopontes@XXXXXX'" Subject: Track Days for mere mortals Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:40:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My dear sir...Doesn't the "low-life, local dealer [oops!]" typically arrange for numerous control riders to be present at the track to monitor the rookies as they go? I attended a Loudoun Motor Sports track day and, from what I could see, the CRs were experienced guys who knew what they were doing and there were lots of them. The event was very well-organized, informative and, albeit a "cheapie," I learned a hell of a lot. I would not consider it skimping, and would recommend it to anyone going out for the first time. In fact, it may be beneficial to have this kind of experience before setting one's sights on the venerable Keith Code. But what do I know? I'm just a rookie. ;) Sally Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:23:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX the guy asked for some advice, and some of you seem to be recommending that he take his tiger and get out there and bang elbows on the track. hey, after all, ricardo like crashes! imho, this is not what he needs. i think the man needs some classroom instruction and some one-on-one track instruction and that he shouldn't skimp on the track experience simply because some low-life, local dealer [oops!] offers a cheapie intro opportunity. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 09:44:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77DiN629342 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id r.d2.a722e27 (4522); Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:43:56 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:43:56 EDT Subject: Re: AMA Weekend @ VIR To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d2.a722e27.28a14a9c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 --part1_d2.a722e27.28a14a9c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I was thinking about riding down and camping. Could > I'll definately be down there. But I'm planning on racing. :-)) Keener --part1_d2.a722e27.28a14a9c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I was thinking about riding down and camping.  Could
be a blast if a bunch of us went......


I'll definately be down there.  But I'm planning on racing.  :-))

Keener --part1_d2.a722e27.28a14a9c_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 09:46:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77DkG629421 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id r.78.18c095a9 (4522); Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:46:05 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <78.18c095a9.28a14b1d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:46:05 EDT Subject: Re: AMA Weekend @ VIR To: ljtanner@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_78.18c095a9.28a14b1d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 --part1_78.18c095a9.28a14b1d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I've ordered my ticket and I'm planning on camping. Is there camping at the > track? If so, what are the facilities like? Plenty of people camp there...but they are racers. I'd call and ask the track manager. > I hope to leave on Friday early and catch all the action (and celebrate my > birthday). I think the practices start thursday? Not sure. (Though the teams were showing up yesterday when I was leaving. Ducati, Kawasaki, & Honda. Pretty cool. Damn....gotta get a better tow rig. :) > Drop by and say HI. Keener --part1_78.18c095a9.28a14b1d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I've ordered my ticket and I'm planning on camping.  Is there camping at the
track?  If so, what are the facilities like?


Plenty of people camp there...but they are racers.  I'd call and ask the
track manager.

I hope to leave on Friday early and catch all the action (and celebrate my
birthday).


I think the practices start thursday?  Not sure.  (Though the teams were
showing up yesterday when I was leaving.  Ducati, Kawasaki, & Honda.  Pretty
cool.  Damn....gotta get a better tow rig.  :)

Maybe we can get a group together?


Drop by and say HI.  

Keener --part1_78.18c095a9.28a14b1d_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 09:48:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14601.mail.yahoo.com (web14601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f77Dma629452 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010807134834.99302.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14601.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 06:48:34 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 06:48:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals To: "Wood, Sally" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'ricardopontes@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Wood, Sally" wrote: > My dear sir...Doesn't the "low-life, local dealer > [oops!]" typically arrange > for numerous control riders to be present at the track to > monitor the rookies as they go? perhaps they do. but that certainly doesn't make greg a better person. > I attended a Loudoun Motor Sports track day and, from > what I could see, the CRs were experienced guys who knew > what they were doing and there were lots of them. The > event was very well-organized, informative and, albeit > a "cheapie," I learned a hell of a lot. I would not > consider it skimping, and would recommend it to anyone > going out for the first time. In fact, it may be > beneficial to have this kind of experience before setting > one's sights on the venerable Keith Code. But what do I > know? I'm just a rookie. ;) glad to hear it you enjoyed it and it was helpful. jay st. peter pointed out that there are many track days up at summit where there is actual instruction (and quality instruction at that). the marrc "tune and test days" were those that i had imagined ricardo mixing it up at. >>>>>> > i think the man needs some classroom instruction and some > one-on-one track > instruction and that he shouldn't skimp on > the track experience simply because some low-life, local > dealer [oops!] > offers a cheapie intro opportunity. >>>>>> ===== tg For quality legal services at reasonable rates, check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 10:04:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77E4U629759 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA25163 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:00:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:00:22 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA Weekend @ VIR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm planning on going. Probably leave on Thursday and get there on Friday. On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Meredith, Steve (Contr) wrote: > I'm looking to hook up with any one riding down to VIR on weekend of 29-30 > Sept for AMA racing. Would like to plan a scenic ride down and back. > > Steve > 97 VFR > Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 10:11:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pandora.gtsi.com (gateway.gtsi.com [192.254.22.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77EBX629873 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtsi.com (ferrari.corp.gtsi.com [192.254.20.235]) by pandora.gtsi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f77E7od12263; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:07:50 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: AMA Weekend @ VIR Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:04:56 -0400 Message-ID: <23607C0BFEAAD211B8B80008C79A0ADA035165BF@exchgreen.gtsi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AMA Weekend @ VIR X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Thread-Index: AcEfRpgvpkvYXIszEdWmugAIxyQi0gAA+M9w From: "Phil Simerly" To: "Mark Kitchell" , , , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f77EBZ629874 FYI: VIR Camping and other stuff. http://www.virclub.com/pages/brochure/brochure6.htm HillJack EATW #1 ICQ #2014076 2001 FLHTC (The Couch) -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 9:38 AM To: SKeener2@XXXXXX; chris_vtr@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA Weekend @ VIR I was thinking about riding down and camping. Could be a blast if a bunch of us went...... --- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/7/01 8:42:09 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > chris_vtr@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > I'm interested in going down there, but I was > > considering using my cargo van so I have a > convenient > > place to sleep. If anyone's got a cheap > hotel/motel > > > > Last I knew most of the hotels close by were booked. > (This was back in > December.....so it's probably worse now. Plan on > bringing a tent if you have > to....or a van to sleep in.) > > Keener > ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 10:17:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3807.mail.yahoo.com (web3804.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.111.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f77EHA600143 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010807141709.24254.qmail@web3807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web3804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 07:17:09 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 07:17:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: DC-Cycles @ VIR AMA Races To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010807124009.26659.qmail@web3805.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Okay, here's the deal. I'll be going down in my cargo van, planning to sleep in it during the races. I will probably leave on Thursday afternoon. I will be able to take cargo with me for those who don't have saddle bags or want to bring folding chairs, coolers, etc. We should arrange a place to meet the day before if anyone wants me to carry their stuff down there. We should also arrange a place to meet up when we reach VIR. I assume no one wants to be stuck behind a slow-moving van on the way down there. ;^) The DC-Cycles Caravan starts here! Chris Weaver ===== Chris Weaver VTR1000 YSR50 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 10:24:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77EO2600271 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-63.208.165.41.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [63.208.165.41]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06143; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B6FFAAC.59E7A56B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 10:26:52 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" CC: Tom Gimer , "'ricardopontes@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals References: <20010807134834.99302.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been watching this thread with great amusement for the past couple of days now. %^) Never thought I'd more or less agree with Gimer, but... 1. IMHO a track day would be beneficial only if the rider in question (Ricardo, in this case -- and I admit to not knowing anything about Ricardo's riding experience/skill level) already knows something about riding. If you're not a "good" rider to begin with, riding around on a track isn't necessarily going to help you get better. For example, if your turning/cornering skills suck, just being on a track won't inherently make them better. Sure, you'll have more room and no car traffic to worry about. And you'll be able to ride faster than you would on the street. But if you have poor/bad skills to begin with, the track -- in and of itself -- won't make you any better. So a totally open track day with no or next to zero instruction is probably not a good idea for a less than skilled street rider. 2. A track day that provides some level of instruction would certainly be better than one without any instruction. Again, it's not an actual teaching/learning experience as in a track school, but if the control riders have any kind of teaching/communications skills then one would expect to see some level of improvement. Note that just because someone is a good racer, fast on the track, and a control rider doesn't necessarily make them a good teacher. And there probably isn't any real "structure" to the whole learning process at a track day. But Option 2 is IMHO certainly better than Option 1. 3. I will agree with Tom that probably the "best" way to start is to go to an actual track school (be it California Superbike School, CLASS, dP Safety, or whatever) with "real" instructors and a structured learning environment. You're in a controlled environment and the focus is on learning, not just riding around fast. IMHO, this is the best way to learn and get better. And you will progress a lot faster up the learning curve than you would in either Option 2 or 1 above. But track schools are more expensive (you're paying for the teaching, not just renting the track to ride on) and may not be as convenient as a track day. I can't remember the original post, but it all comes down to what Ricardo hopes to gain by going to the track. If he wants to actually learn how to be a better rider and corner, going to an actual track school IMHO is the "best" way to do it. If, on the other hand, he simply wants to get more familiar with and learn more about riding his m/c (a Triumph Tiger?) and wants to do it in an environment without the hassles of traffic, cops, etc., then he would be well-served by a track day. He may "learn" something at the latter, but it won't "teach" him anything. Chuck -- "The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 10:33:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f77EXt600464 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (65.14.174.34) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2001 14:33:50 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: Digital Camera Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:32:46 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c11f66$f9bca6a0$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I'm on a mission from... dad. I need to purchase a digital camera and know very little about the subject. My budget is $400. I'm looking for something that has an optical zoom, but is mostly PHD (Push Here Dummy), easy to hook up to the computer, and gives fairly good quality pictures. Can anyone recommend where to start looking? What to avoid? Where to go see them in this area? Where to buy? Any information would be much appreciated Niv BMW F650ST Blues Brothers 3 ? We'll use old Nortons instead of cars for this one? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 10:34:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77EYl600476 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w034 ([168.144.108.34]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:35:18 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 128.221.131.121 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Track Days for mere mortals Sender: "sdave@XXXXXX" From: "sdave@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:33:44 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: sdave@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2001 14:35:18.0832 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E550B00:01C11F4E] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f77EYm600477 Chuck P was forced to admit ... I have been watching this thread with great amusement for the past couple of days now. %^) Never thought I'd more or less agree with Gimer, but... 1. IMHO a track day would be beneficial only if the rider in question ..already knows something about riding. 2. A track day that provides some level of instruction would certainly be better than one without any instruction. 3. I will agree with Tom that probably the "best" way to start is to go to an actual track school (be it California Superbike School, CLASS, dP Safety, or whatever) with "real" instructors and a structured learning environment. BAH! At least a half dozen DCC newbies did track days with minimum or no instruction & "learned plenty". Remember Chuck, if you read it on the internet, it HAS to be true ! ;-) Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 10:50:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77Eo3600852 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-63.208.165.41.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [63.208.165.41]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16464; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B7000C3.743B34F3@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 10:52:51 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: sdave@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave, Read my lips. %^) I said ... > He may "learn" something at the latter, but it won't "teach" him > anything. Where "latter" is a track day. And while we're being all bollocks'ed up... What exactly does a "newbie" learn if left completely to his/her own devices out on the track? That they can ride faster than they can on the street? I'm sure they're skills improve ... some. But I doubt (for most) that they learn the actual "how's" and "why's" of motorcycling handling and cornering skills -- especially if they don't know about them to begin with. I don't doubt that "newbies" have "learned plenty" at track days -- after all, you said so right here on the internet so it MUST be true! %^) And hopefully, their skills improved and they're better riders as a result. But I would venture to guess that their actual learning would be vastly greater if they were in a more formal teaching environment such as what's provided by a quality track school. Gimer - Help me out here! %^) Chuck "sdave@XXXXXX" wrote : > > BAH! At least a half dozen DCC newbies did track days with minimum or no instruction & "learned plenty". Remember Chuck, if you read it on the internet, it HAS to be true ! ;-) -- "The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 11:08:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.mailstart.com (mail.mailstart.com [207.231.76.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77F8X601143 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peach [207.231.76.85] by mail.mailstart.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A4652A0700C4; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 08:08:21 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: From: spawn@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Digital Camera Message-Id: <070801219.29303@64.0.87.3> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:08:33 -0700 I recommend http://photo.askey.net for all your digicam needs, they helped me pick the camera I got(Sony DSC-F505V) Larry --- Original Message --- "rydin" Wrote on Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:32:46 -0700 ------------------ I'm on a mission from... dad. I need to purchase a digital camera and know very little about the subject. My budget is $400. I'm looking for something that has an optical zoom, but is mostly PHD (Push Here Dummy), easy to hook up to the computer, and gives fairly good quality pictures. Can anyone recommend where to start looking? What to avoid? Where to go see them in this area? Where to buy? Any information would be much appreciated Niv BMW F650ST Blues Brothers 3 ? We'll use old Nortons instead of cars for this one? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 12:19:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77GJI602403 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f77GHd321760; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:18:21 -0400 From: laura granato To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC-Cycles @ VIR AMA Races Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:19:51 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20010807141709.24254.qmail@web3807.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010807141709.24254.qmail@web3807.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0108071219510T.02879@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit we'll be down there also. Should be fun to watch brian and keener mixing it up with the AMA boys. ;-) laura From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 12:21:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f77GLF602492 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 11:18:29 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 10:53:32 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Digital Camera Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f77GLG602493 Niv, Go to either CNET.com or ZDNET.com they both have excellent sites that rate digital cameras and provide links to dealers with the best prices. Be careful however some of the camera dealers are scumbags... I bought my camera from Computers4sure.com Regards, George Cole >>> "rydin" 08/07/01 01:32PM >>> I'm on a mission from... dad. I need to purchase a digital camera and know very little about the subject. My budget is $400. I'm looking for something that has an optical zoom, but is mostly PHD (Push Here Dummy), easy to hook up to the computer, and gives fairly good quality pictures. Can anyone recommend where to start looking? What to avoid? Where to go see them in this area? Where to buy? Any information would be much appreciated Niv BMW F650ST Blues Brothers 3 ? We'll use old Nortons instead of cars for this one? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 12:27:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13804.mail.yahoo.com (web13804.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f77GRe602583 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010807162739.77608.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13804.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 09:27:39 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:27:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: DC-Cycles @ VIR AMA Races To: laura granato , Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0108071219510T.02879@firewall.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Are they actually racing in the AMA pro races...600s, Superbikes, etc? --- laura granato wrote: > we'll be down there also. Should be fun to watch > brian and keener mixing it > up with the AMA boys. ;-) > > laura > ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 12:34:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77GYn602683 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f77GYG321821; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:34:17 -0400 From: laura granato To: Mark Kitchell , laura granato , Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC-Cycles @ VIR AMA Races Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:36:28 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20010807162739.77608.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010807162739.77608.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0108071236280W.02879@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 07 August 2001 12:27, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Are they actually racing in the AMA pro races...600s, > Superbikes, etc? > as long as they get their licenses and stuff, they'll be on the track with those guys, yup! ;-) Should be fun to watch...and it sounds like a bunch of us will be down there. LAG From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 12:52:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77Gqo603023 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQlbbn01347 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:52:50 GMT Received: from [153.39.136.61] by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ws98974.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.136.61]) id QQlbbn26033 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:52:38 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0108071236280W.02879@firewall.dcc-racing.org> References: <20010807162739.77608.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> <0108071236280W.02879@XXXXXX> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:52:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: DC-Cycles @ VIR AMA Races Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >On Tuesday 07 August 2001 12:27, Mark Kitchell wrote: >> Are they actually racing in the AMA pro races...600s, >> Superbikes, etc? >> >as long as they get their licenses and stuff, they'll be on the track with >those guys, yup! I know Brian will be running his 250 in the 250GP class, but what is Keener running? 600 Supersport? -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 13:21:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2 (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77HLi603539 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p40.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.40]) by pop2 (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA13567 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:21:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" Cc: Subject: RE: Track Days for mere mortals Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:26:12 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c11f66$0f75fb00$2882c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3B7000C3.743B34F3@ix.netcom.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Dave, Read my lips. %^) I said ... > He may "learn" something at the latter, but it won't "teach" him > anything. I'm with you & Gimer (whew - that was tough to type ;-) ) but others disagree. And since they disagree, it must be true... right ??? I said - > > BAH! At least a half dozen DCC newbies did track days with minimum or no instruction & "learned plenty". Remember Chuck, if you read it on the internet, it HAS to be true ! ;-) <-- see the smiley ? Where "latter" is a track day. And while we're being all bollocks'ed up... What exactly does a "newbie" learn if left completely to his/her own devices out on the track? That they can ride faster than they can on the street? I'm sure they're skills improve ... some. But I doubt (for most) that they learn the actual "how's" and "why's" of motorcycling handling and cornering skills -- especially if they don't know about them to begin with. Didn't you read all the track day testimonials ? I don't doubt that "newbies" have "learned plenty" at track days -- after all, you said so right here on the internet so it MUST be true! %^) That's right ! if it's printed, it has to be true ;-) Right? Especially here ! And hopefully, their skills improved and they're better riders as a result. But I would venture to guess that their actual learning would be vastly greater if they were in a more formal teaching environment such as what's provided by a quality track school. Absolutely. Gimer - Help me out here! %^) There's a phrase we haven't seen much of lately ;-) What about it Tom ? > > BAH! At least a half dozen DCC newbies did track days with minimum or no instruction & "learned plenty". Remember Chuck, if you read it on the internet, it HAS to be true ! ;-) From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 13:22:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77HMH603549 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.a3.19e5ed08 (3965) for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:22:13 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:22:13 EDT Subject: Fwd: DC-Cycles @ VIR AMA Races To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_a3.19e5ed08.28a17dc5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 --part1_a3.19e5ed08.28a17dc5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_a3.19e5ed08.28a17dc5_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Full-name: SKeener2 Message-ID: <105.75dbc88.28a17db1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:21:53 EDT Subject: Re: DC-Cycles @ VIR AMA Races To: markkitchell@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part2_a3.19e5ed08.28a17db1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 --part2_a3.19e5ed08.28a17db1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/01 12:30:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > Are they actually racing in the AMA pro races...600s, > Superbikes, etc? > I'm planning on doing the Pro Thunder race. I should be able to do better than I did at Daytona. VIR is a small bike course. :-)) Keener --part2_a3.19e5ed08.28a17db1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/01 12:30:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
markkitchell@XXXXXX writes:


Are they actually racing in the AMA pro races...600s,
Superbikes, etc?


I'm planning on doing the Pro Thunder race.  I should be able to do better
than I did at Daytona.  VIR is a small bike course.  :-))

Keener
--part2_a3.19e5ed08.28a17db1_boundary-- --part1_a3.19e5ed08.28a17dc5_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 13:34:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77HY3603719 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id r.ce.1867a973 (16110); Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web47.aolmail.aol.com (web47.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.8]) by air-id12.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID122-0807133343; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 13:33:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 13:33:42 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA Weekend @ VIR To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: I've got a room booked at the Howard Johnson's in Danville. Two beds and floor space. I don't mind sharing. I'm going down Friday morning and coming back Sunday. The room is $69 a night (VIR event rates). Splitting it a couple ways would be nice. The more the merrier. :-) Scooter In a message dated Tue, 7 Aug 2001 8:42:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Chris Weaver writes: > I'm interested in going down there, but I was > considering using my cargo van so I have a convenient > place to sleep. If anyone's got a cheap hotel/motel > room, it would be nicer to ride down. > > Scooter, didn't you say you had an extra spot? How > long are you going to be there and how much are they > charging? > > Chris Weaver > > > --- "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" > wrote: > > I'm looking to hook up with any one riding down to > > VIR on weekend of 29-30 > > Sept for AMA racing. Would like to plan a scenic > > ride down and back. > > > > Steve > > 97 VFR > > Warrenton, VA > > > ===== > Chris Weaver > VTR1000 YSR50 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 13:36:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77Ha6603808 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.47]) id QQlbbq09558 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:36:06 GMT Received: from [153.39.136.61] by imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ws98974.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.136.61]) id QQlbbq21706 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:34:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:34:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: BIOLOGICAL EMERGNECY ALERT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" A TWO MILE LONG SWARM OF FLAMING DESTRUCTO-MONKIES ARE ON A COLLISION COURSE WITH THE WASHINGTON, D.C./GREATER METROPOLITAN AREA. ALL CITIZENS ARE ADVISED TO STAY INDOORS AND COWER IN FEAR. IF YOU ARE CAUGHT OUTDOORS, TRY TO REMAIN PERFECTLY STILL. FLAMING DESTRUCTO-MONKIES ARE AGITATED BY MOVEMENT OF ANY SORT. TUNE INTO WTOP OR NEWS CHANNEL 7 FOR MORE DETAILS. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 13:36:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77HaE603818 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id r.27.197a5b27 (16093); Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web45.aolmail.aol.com (web45.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.6]) by air-id10.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID109-0807133541; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 13:35:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 13:35:41 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: RE: AMA Weekend @ VIR To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <27.197a5b27.28a180ed@aol.com> >From what I've read on their website (www.virclub.com) they have camping but NO facilities aside from restrooms. You're on your own for a shower. :-) Scooter In a message dated Tue, 7 Aug 2001 9:41:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "LindaT." writes: > I've ordered my ticket and I'm planning on camping. Is there camping at the > track? If so, what are the facilities like? > > I hope to leave on Friday early and catch all the action (and celebrate my > birthday). > > Maybe we can get a group together? > > LindaT. > Custom TankBags > Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 13:39:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77HdK603839 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-63.215.154.2.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [63.215.154.2]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA30428; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B702879.8CCB22A2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 13:42:17 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals References: <000601c11f66$0f75fb00$2882c0cf@nih.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm with you & Gimer (whew - that was tough to type ;-) ) Ain't that the truth! I think I see the makings of a Tom Gimer fan club forming! %^) > no instruction & "learned plenty". Remember Chuck, if you read it on > the internet, it HAS to be true ! ;-) <-- see the smiley ? Of course I saw it! Didn't you see mine??? %^) || \/ > Read my lips. %^) > Didn't you read all the track day testimonials ? Worthless gibberish from wannabees who don't know shit! %^) > That's right ! if it's printed, it has to be true ;-) Right? > Especially here ! More especially if it's from you, Dave. > There's a phrase we haven't seen much of lately ;-) What about it Tom > ? And I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that it'll be quite a long time before we see it again! %^) -- "The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 13:43:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11003.mail.yahoo.com (web11003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f77Hh6603926 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010807174305.97081.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11003.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 10:43:05 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:43:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: BIOLOGICAL EMERGNECY ALERT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FLAMING DESTRUCTO-MONKIES I don't think that the sexual orientation of destructo- monkie is neccessary to point out. The fact that they are flaming has nothing to do with the attack. I expect more objcetive reporting form you Sean. --- Sean Jordan wrote: > A TWO MILE LONG SWARM OF FLAMING DESTRUCTO-MONKIES > ARE ON A COLLISION > COURSE WITH THE WASHINGTON, D.C./GREATER > METROPOLITAN AREA. ALL > CITIZENS ARE ADVISED TO STAY INDOORS AND COWER IN > FEAR. IF YOU ARE > CAUGHT OUTDOORS, TRY TO REMAIN PERFECTLY STILL. > FLAMING > DESTRUCTO-MONKIES ARE AGITATED BY MOVEMENT OF ANY > SORT. TUNE INTO > WTOP OR NEWS CHANNEL 7 FOR MORE DETAILS. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 13:51:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77Hpt604078 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GHP00M92LLVZH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:51:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GHP00A01LL1Q0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 17:51:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GHP00953LKLI9@XXXXXX>; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 17:50:46 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 13:50:39 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: BIOLOGICAL EMERGNECY ALERT To: Trey Herb Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B702A6F.F33BA0DB@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010807174305.97081.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com> Trey Herb wrote: > > FLAMING DESTRUCTO-MONKIES > > I don't think that the sexual orientation of > destructo- monkie is neccessary to point out. The fact > that they are flaming has nothing to do with the > attack. Sure it does. I wanna know if I have to prepare for thrown punches or little sissy slapping motions. :) Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 13:52:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77Hqs604088 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.47]) id QQlbbr08319 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:52:53 GMT Received: from [153.39.136.61] by imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ws98974.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.136.61]) id QQlbbr02940 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:51:09 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <27.197a5b27.28a180ed@aol.com> References: <27.197a5b27.28a180ed@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:51:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: RE: AMA Weekend @ VIR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >From what I've read on their website (www.virclub.com) they have >camping but NO facilities aside from restrooms. You're on your own >for a shower. :-) There are 3 shower stalls in the restroom facilities. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 13:56:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11001.mail.yahoo.com (web11001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f77HuE604131 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010807175613.59695.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11001.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 10:56:13 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:56:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: BIOLOGICAL EMERGNECY ALERT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3B702A6F.F33BA0DB@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dale Wrote > Sure it does. I wanna know if I have to prepare > for thrown punches or little sissy slapping motions. > :) The attack is on DC not Dull Shi*y. Your to busy fighting off bordom. (:-P --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Trey Herb wrote: > > > > FLAMING DESTRUCTO-MONKIES > > > > I don't think that the sexual orientation of > > destructo- monkie is neccessary to point out. The > fact > > that they are flaming has nothing to do with the > > attack. > > Sure it does. I wanna know if I have to prepare > for thrown punches or little sissy slapping motions. > :) > > Horkster > -- > Mandatory second line (CM tm) > > Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 > - 40 of 99 done. > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 14:05:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77I53604357 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GHP00GMFM899O@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:04:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GHP00A01M7VJX@XXXXXX>; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 18:04:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GHP002OPM7SOL@XXXXXX>; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 18:04:40 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 14:04:35 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: BIOLOGICAL EMERGNECY ALERT To: Trey Herb Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B702DB3.A4814868@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010807175613.59695.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Trey Herb wrote: > > Dale Wrote > > Sure it does. I wanna know if I have to prepare > > for thrown punches or little sissy slapping motions. > > :) > > The attack is on DC not Dull Shi*y. Hey, we've got another name we proudly use for the whole area between Dumfries and Manassas. We call it Dumasses. :) > Your to busy > fighting off bordom. (:-P How'd you know? Code Red hosed all the internet servers here at work. I can send & receive mail, but I can't surf the 'net. I might have to resort to doing actual work today in order to pass the time.... Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 14:18:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [64.242.194.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77IIB604574 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:18:15 -0400 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F20E673@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: Cedric Bernescut To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: BIOLOGICAL EMERGNECY ALERT Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:18:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can one still escape if one is using synthetic oil? How about automotive Mobil 1? Can I outrun them if my tire pressure is set to 32 psi, or should I inflate to 40 psi? Can you nail them with 9mm rounds, or should you move up to a .44 or .45? Will they be caught by the new speed cameras? If you manage to outrun them all the way to summit Point, should you wait for an instructor to give positive feedback, or just keep going solo? Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 Annandale, VA "Chaos, panic, & disorder - my work here is done." -- A TWO MILE LONG SWARM OF FLAMING DESTRUCTO-MONKIES ARE ON A COLLISION COURSE WITH THE WASHINGTON, D.C./GREATER METROPOLITAN AREA. ALL CITIZENS ARE ADVISED TO STAY INDOORS AND COWER IN FEAR. IF YOU ARE CAUGHT OUTDOORS, TRY TO REMAIN PERFECTLY STILL. FLAMING DESTRUCTO-MONKIES ARE AGITATED BY MOVEMENT OF ANY SORT. TUNE INTO WTOP OR NEWS CHANNEL 7 FOR MORE DETAILS. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 14:28:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77ISX604770 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 1.28.194ed32c (3975); Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:28:27 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <28.194ed32c.28a18d4b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:28:27 EDT Subject: Re: AMA Weekend @ VIR To: sean.jordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 In a message dated 8/7/01 1:54:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sean.jordan@XXXXXX writes: > There are 3 shower stalls in the restroom facilities. In the pit area. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 14:45:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77Ij8605077 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-144.s144.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.144] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15UBql-00017T-00 ; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 14:45:07 -0400 Message-ID: <054e01c11f70$d8cb87e0$906daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "Randy Moran" Cc: References: Subject: Re: DC Cycles at the WERA 6-hour Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:43:26 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Congrats guys, well done. :) Danny '98 VTR '99 SV (race bike) battered for now... Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Moran To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 12:41 PM Subject: DC Cycles at the WERA 6-hour Tight Squeeze Racing, captained by Steve Clark w/ riders Mark Morrow and myself, won the Lightweight Superbike class in the WERA 6-hour National Endurance race at Summit Point on Saturday. It was a hard fought victory and, as is common in endurance racing, it hinged on some very good teams having some very bad luck. Also crucial to the victory was the tireless help of list lurker Dustin Crabtree, without whom we could not even have come close to winning. Thanks Dustin, and thanks also to Hugh Caldwell for putting in some hellishly hot hours out on the corners with MARRC, and for stopping by our pit to offer encouragement. I hope you all had a great weekend, Randy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 7/19/01 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 15:00:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.warren-news.com (mail.warren-news.com [209.8.211.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f77J0d605358 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EXCHANGE by mail.warren-news.com via smtpd (for dsl027-137-007.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 7 Aug 2001 19:03:35 UT Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:59:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Fisk, Euan" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Battery charging? Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:59:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Friend just got an old early '70's Honda cb450 & the battery is dead. I lent her a charger, but I've only ever charged the sealed type batteries, whereas hers has the caps on top to fill w/ fluid. A shop in MD told her to fill them to the line marked, that tap water was ok, and to then leave the caps off while charging. After about 6 hrs fluid spilled out of the battery and the charger is still only showing 6 or 7 volts. Yes this is a 12V system, and the battery was out of the bike. My recommendation to her is just to get a sealed battery and be done w/the problem but she's trying to save $. Any help would be appreciated. thanks, _____________________ Euan Fisk efisk@XXXXXX 202-872-9202 x279 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 15:06:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11006.mail.yahoo.com (web11006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.56]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f77J6M605447 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010807190621.45679.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11006.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 12:06:21 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:06:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: Battery charging? To: "Fisk, Euan" , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Get new battery. Better to do it now than have the one she has now die in the middle of nowhere. --- "Fisk, Euan" wrote: > Friend just got an old early '70's Honda cb450 & the > > battery is dead. I lent her a charger, but I've > only ever > charged the sealed type batteries, whereas hers has > the caps on top to fill w/ fluid. A shop in MD told > her > to fill them to the line marked, that tap water was > ok, > and to then leave the caps off while charging. > After about > 6 hrs fluid spilled out of the battery and the > charger is still > only showing 6 or 7 volts. Yes this is a 12V > system, and > the battery was out of the bike. My recommendation > to her > is just to get a sealed battery and be done w/the > problem > but she's trying to save $. Any help would be > appreciated. > thanks, > _____________________ > Euan Fisk > efisk@XXXXXX > 202-872-9202 x279 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 15:14:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77JE0605537 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GHP009N1PF524@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:13:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GHP00D01PF0MK@XXXXXX>; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 19:13:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GHP00B9GPER3Z@XXXXXX>; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 19:13:39 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 15:13:33 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Battery charging? To: "Fisk, Euan" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <3B703DDD.1DD1B809@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: "Fisk, Euan" wrote: > > A shop in MD told her > to fill them to the line marked, that tap water was ok, > and to then leave the caps off while charging. I've never heard anyone recommend that tap water is ok in a battery. Go spend a buck on a gallon jug of distilled water at the local grocery store. Sounds like the shop wants to sell her a new battery. > After about 6 hrs fluid spilled out of the battery > and the charger is still only showing 6 or 7 volts. What kind of charger do you have? Most good motorcycle chargers only put out one or two amps to keep from boiling the battery like this. If you've got a automobile-type charger, it might be too big. > My recommendation to her is just to get a sealed battery > and be done w/the problem but she's trying to save $. She may have to end up going this route, anyway. Ask her how much a tow truck is gonna cost her if the battery croaks again somewhere. Good luck. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 15:15:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77JFe605614 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQlbbx19383 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:15:39 GMT Received: from [153.39.136.61] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ws98974.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.136.61]) id QQlbbx10479 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:15:10 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010807190621.45679.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010807190621.45679.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:15:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Battery charging? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > My recommendation > > to her >> is just to get a sealed battery and be done w/the >> problem >> but she's trying to save $. Any help would be >> appreciated. > > thanks, Go to Wal-mart and find a battery that will fit. $30 and they are good batteries to boot. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 15:44:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77Jil606036 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f77JiK322243; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:44:22 -0400 From: laura granato To: SKeener2@XXXXXX, sean.jordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA Weekend @ VIR Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:46:31 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <28.194ed32c.28a18d4b@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <28.194ed32c.28a18d4b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0108071546310Y.02879@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 07 August 2001 14:28, SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/7/01 1:54:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > sean.jordan@XXXXXX writes: > > There are 3 shower stalls in the restroom facilities. > > In the pit area. which from what I know, if it's like formula USA, you need a special pit pass to enter. not sure, but I'd bet it to be true at AMA also. LAG From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 15:56:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77JuD606219 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id p.e0.1893207d (4238); Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:56:01 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:56:01 EDT Subject: Re: AMA Weekend @ VIR To: lgranato@XXXXXX, sean.jordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 > which from what I know, if it's like formula USA, you need a special pit pass > to enter. not sure, but I'd bet it to be true at AMA also. And that baffles me. The concessions area is on the fringe of the pit area. Oh well....either way...I'll be able to get in. :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 16:15:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [64.3.36.247]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77KFs606625 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26790 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:15:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:15:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Battery charging? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Fisk, Euan wrote: > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:59:22 -0400 > From: "Fisk, Euan" > To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > Subject: Battery charging? > > Friend just got an old early '70's Honda cb450 & the > battery is dead. > and to then leave the caps off while charging. After about > 6 hrs fluid spilled out of the battery and the charger is still > only showing 6 or 7 volts. This sounds like a battery that is pretty well hosed. > Yes this is a 12V system, and > the battery was out of the bike. My recommendation to her > is just to get a sealed battery and be done w/the problem > but she's trying to save $. Any help would be appreciated. > thanks, >From my experience with a 1976 Honda cb-750, Honda's charging systems aren't the greatest, and an old half dead battery only makes the problems worse. You'll save time/money/frustration in the long run by getting a good battery (sealed or not) and treating it right. I've been stranded in the middle of no-where with a bike that wouldn't start one time too many to ever want to deal with a dead/dying battery again. If the battery won't take a charge -- and if its old and completely discharged and has too much gunk on the plates inside it may not -- there isn't much you can do, other than replacing it. If she insists on using and old battery, recommend jumper cables and something like AMA or Honda Rider Club so that she has someone to call should she need to have the bike jumpstarted or towed. Also, in such cases, carrying a cell phone is good insurance. As always, YMMV. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 16:19:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77KJr606639 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA26201 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:15:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:15:52 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA Weekend @ VIR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I didn't see any thing about pit passes at the VIR website. I hope we have access to the pits as I want to get Duhamel's autograph before the old koot keels over. Hugh On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > > > which from what I know, if it's like formula USA, you need a special pit > pass > > to enter. not sure, but I'd bet it to be true at AMA also. > > And that baffles me. The concessions area is on the fringe of the pit area. > Oh well....either way...I'll be able to get in. :) > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 16:21:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3801.mail.yahoo.com (web3801.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.111.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f77KLh606752 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010807202141.13826.qmail@web3801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web3801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 13:21:41 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:21:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: AMA Weekend @ VIR To: laura granato , SKeener2@XXXXXX, sean.jordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0108071546310Y.02879@firewall.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When I called for my ticket today, I specifically asked if they had any special passes available for more money. The answer was no, your ticket allows you into the paddock and everywhere else. I got the three day pass, but I didn't get the impression that it was any different than the one or two day passes. Maybe the girl who took my credit card number had the wrong information, but it sounded like she knew. Chris --- laura granato wrote: > On Tuesday 07 August 2001 14:28, SKeener2@XXXXXX > wrote: > > In a message dated 8/7/01 1:54:45 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > > > > sean.jordan@XXXXXX writes: > > > There are 3 shower stalls in the restroom > facilities. > > > > In the pit area. > > which from what I know, if it's like formula USA, > you need a special pit pass > to enter. not sure, but I'd bet it to be true at > AMA also. > > LAG ===== Chris Weaver VTR1000 YSR50 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 16:22:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f77KMc606773 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-163-103-196.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.163.103.196) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2001 20:22:37 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: AMA Weekend @ VIR Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:19:31 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 So... What everyone is saying that the only way to get to a shower is be in the pit area and that requires a pit pass? And there is no camping in the pit without a pit pass? Hmmmmm LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner SKeener2@XXXXXX said: And that baffles me. The concessions area is on the fringe of the pit area. Oh well....either way...I'll be able to get in. :) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 16:23:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77KNg606783 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 1.66.12976ba7 (16103); Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web47.aolmail.aol.com (web47.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.8]) by air-id11.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID117-0807162333; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 16:23:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 16:23:32 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: RE: AMA Weekend @ VIR To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <66.12976ba7.28a1a845@aol.com> Are those in the public restrooms or the ones reserved for the racers? According to the website, campers are on their own since the public restrooms have no shower stalls. The restrooms reserved for the racers do have showers. I don't know, I'm just going by the website. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 7 Aug 2001 1:54:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Sean Jordan writes: > > >From what I've read on their website (www.virclub.com) they have > >camping but NO facilities aside from restrooms. You're on your own > >for a shower. :-) > There are 3 shower stalls in the restroom facilities. > > -- > "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the > skillful defiance of it." > > -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) > > Sean Jordan > Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing > '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) > '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) > WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 > http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 16:30:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [64.3.36.247]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77KUm606950 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27394 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:30:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:30:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Battery charging? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Couple URL's on Battery Charging: http://www.xs11.com/tips/maintenance/maint3.shtml http://www.dot.com.ph/uncle/deadbat.html You can find more with Google, of course. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 16:38:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.106]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77KcP607102 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [63.90.249.34] by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.90.249.34]) id QQlbcc19779 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:38:24 GMT Received: from mail.racalcomm.com by [63.90.249.34] via smtpd (for dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.106]) with SMTP; 7 Aug 2001 20:38:23 UT Received: by mail.racalcomm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:34:47 -0400 Message-ID: <15AB66EB3709D4118C0900508BC74D9FDF6E93@mail.racalcomm.com> From: "StPeter, Jay" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: AMA Weekend @ VIR Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:34:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" FWIW, when I went to the AMA races in Vegas a few years ago, there were no spectator restrictions except for the actual garage areas. The teams would put up ropes around the areas they didn't want to be public. I wondered at the time if that was different than other tracks because of the pathetic attendance. Maybe not. It was definitely cool to see the racers walking through the pits celebrating victory or grumbling about problems and still trying to be friendly. Steve Crevier high-fived me randomly after winning the 600 championship. But, with the poor attendance, I think he high-fived every spectator in the place. Jay St. Peter This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. This communication represents the originator's personal views and opinions, which do not necessarily reflect those of Thales Communications, Inc. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 16:44:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77Kid607211 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id r.ca.1910cec8 (16094); Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web40.aolmail.aol.com (web40.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.1]) by air-id10.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID1010-0807164421; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 16:44:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 16:44:21 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: RE: AMA Weekend @ VIR To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: >From what I picked up on the website, the ticket gets you into everywhere EXCEPT the restrooms/locker rooms/whatever set aside for the racers/crews/workers. You have pit access but, can't follow them into the showers. ;-) Sorry Linda, no naked pics of Duhamel. LOL The website specifically says in the FAQ's section, "Camping is provided as a convenience only; it is “primitive”, without showers and with no groundfires being permitted." Scooter In a message dated Tue, 7 Aug 2001 4:25:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "LindaT." writes: > So... > > What everyone is saying that the only way to get to a shower is be in the > pit area and that requires a pit pass? And there is no camping in the pit > without a pit pass? > > Hmmmmm > > LindaT. > Custom TankBags > Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner > > SKeener2@XXXXXX said: > > And that baffles me. The concessions area is on the fringe of the pit area. > Oh well....either way...I'll be able to get in. :) > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 16:56:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f77KuY607377 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-163-103-196.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.163.103.196) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2001 20:56:33 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: AMA Weekend @ VIR Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:53:21 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 What? He's older than you? LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner hcaldwell said: I didn't see any thing about pit passes at the VIR website. I hope we have access to the pits as I want to get Duhamel's autograph before the old koot keels over. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 16:58:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f77Kws607455 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-163-103-196.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.163.103.196) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2001 20:58:53 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: AMA Weekend @ VIR Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:55:40 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Damn ;-) LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner Scooter said: Sorry Linda, no naked pics of Duhamel. LOL _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 17:08:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f77L8D607638 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010807210812.96977.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 14:08:12 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:08:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals To: the_penas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Dave Yates In-Reply-To: <3B702879.8CCB22A2@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > I'm with you & Gimer (whew - that was tough to > type ;-) ) > > Ain't that the truth! I think I see the makings of a Tom > Gimer fan club forming! %^) sorry. i've been out of the office all day. pity. fan club mail should be sent to: 4905 Del Ray Avenue, Suite 504 Bethesda, MD 20814 it normally takes about a month to get a response to letters, but when they are accompanied by a $10+ donation, the sender receives a pair of my soiled undies. looking forward to hearing from many of you. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 17:20:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14602.mail.yahoo.com (web14602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.82]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f77LK7607879 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010807212006.88206.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14602.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 14:20:06 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:20:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Track Days for mere mortals To: the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: sdave@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: <3B7000C3.743B34F3@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Dave, > > Read my lips. %^) I said ... > > > He may "learn" something at the latter, but it won't > > "teach" him anything. > Gimer - Help me out here! %^) chuck, you don't need any help. you're right. however, so are the folks who believe that even an unstructured track session is helpful. any time spent on the cycle is better for your skills than time spent off the cycle. true, you can possibly develop and ingrain "bad" habits; but it is more likely that you'll become comfortable going faster and leaning farther than before. i bet getting over the fear of leaning will prevent more accidents (i.e., "braking in the turn" accidents) than it will cause. that being said, i'd still recommend taking a structured class with one's own bike. > "sdave@XXXXXX" wrote : > > BAH! At least a half dozen DCC newbies did track days > with minimum or no instruction & "learned plenty". > Remember Chuck, if you read it on the internet, it HAS to > be true ! ;-) ===== tg For quality legal services at reasonable rates, check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 17:21:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77LLD607890 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.129.2a113a1 (17526) for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:21:03 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <129.2a113a1.28a1b5be@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:21:02 EDT Subject: Re: Saving a tank-slapper? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/6/2001 7:43:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > slamming the throttle shut OR open is an > involuntary response in this situation. Involuntary under these circumstances is also referred to as panic, and panic can kill you on a bike. I have been in more then one and have controlled it, so can you, but not if you panic. Again if you are having trouble with wobble of any kind on a modern bike something is _wrong_ and needs to be fixed. Modern bikes simply do not go into wobbles unless something is wrong. When was the last time you read a motorcycle magazine and they talked about how this or that bike likes to wobble, and those folks thrash those bikes. My first response was to a "How does one respond to a speed wobble" question. The answer I gave was not mine but the answer given by the organization with the research and experience to know, MSF. I have used it, it works, I stand by it. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 18:07:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14609.mail.yahoo.com (web14609.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f77M7s608648 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010807220753.98301.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14609.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 15:07:53 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:07:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Saving a tank-slapper? To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <129.2a113a1.28a1b5be@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/6/2001 7:43:27 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > slamming the throttle shut OR open is an > > involuntary response in this situation. > > Involuntary under these circumstances is also referred to > as panic, and panic can kill you on a bike. I have been > in more then one and have controlled it, so can you, but > not if you panic. i managed to avoid dying, twice. apparently i was lucky. however, i'd rather be lucky than good if good requires me to believe i can "control" a tankslapper. i did a quick search for tankslapper on the internet. here's a tidbit: during a highspeed tankslapper, the bars can go from left-lock to right-lock 5+ times per second. try "easing" off the throttle during one of those! i can hear your answer already...so i'll respond. i experienced no "wobble" prior to the slappping--there often isn't a chance to follow msf technique. > Again if you are having trouble with wobble > of any kind on a modern bike something is _wrong_ and > needs to be fixed. Modern bikes simply > do not go into wobbles unless > something is wrong. When was the last time you read a > motorcycle magazine and they talked about how > this or that bike likes to wobble, and those folks thrash > those bikes. > My first response was to a "How does one respond to a > speed wobble" question. > The answer I gave was not mine but the answer given by > the organization with > the research and experience to know, MSF. I have used it, > it works, I stand by it. despite your assurances, i believe we're still disagreeing on semantics. you're talking about a wobble, and i'm talking about a tankslapper. ===== tg For quality legal services at reasonable rates, check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 18:28:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2 (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77MST608999 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p44.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.44]) by pop2 (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA14989 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:28:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Saving a tank-slapper? Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:32:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c11f90$e50a6560$2c84c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010807220753.98301.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Yet another pearl of Gimer wisdom... > > slamming the throttle shut OR open is an > > involuntary response in this situation. > > Involuntary under these circumstances is also referred to > as panic, and panic can kill you on a bike. I have been > in more then one and have controlled it, so can you, but > not if you panic. i managed to avoid dying, twice. apparently i was lucky. however, i'd rather be lucky than good if good requires me to believe i can "control" a tankslapper. Gotta give it to you, Tom... no controlling a TS. IF you could, we wouldn't be seeing human lawn dart impersonations at races, would we? i did a quick search for tankslapper on the internet. Ruh Roh. You know, Tom, if it's on the internet, it HAS to be true... ;-) here's a tidbit: during a highspeed tankslapper, the bars can go from left-lock to right-lock 5+ times per second. try "easing" off the throttle during one of those! i can hear your answer already...so i'll respond. i experienced no "wobble" prior to the slappping--there often isn't a chance to follow msf technique. despite your assurances, i believe we're still disagreeing on semantics. you're talking about a wobble, and i'm talking about a tankslapper. Wobble can be saved, Tank slappers - maybe... I've seen some racers get lucky on TV, but we're talking about the span of maybe 3 seconds... In the 'less severe stages' of tank slappery, yeah, you can save it... full lock to lock tank slapping, you're playing human lawn darts... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 19:24:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77NOJ610069 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-34.patriot.net [209.249.180.34]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f77NOHq06740; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:24:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3B707732.9554F166@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 19:18:11 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: garcia oliver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Free Suzuki 550E (1980) engine, frame, wheels, title. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey! I have a headlamp/turn signal unit for a `81 Suzuki GS550E, hardly used. Put a Quicksilver fairing on it from the get-go. It's a cherry and you can toss it in with the rest of the bike - free of course. Bill location Annandale VA garcia oliver wrote: > Not worth fixing: nothing there but rolling chassis and engine (no > electrics), but lots of useful parts if you have a 1977-1981 GS-550. > Odometer (not included) showed 12k miles. > > Garcia From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 19:58:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f77Nwg610649 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from michael (pool-63.49.137.59.bltm.grid.net [63.49.137.59]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA09692 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003601c11f9d$5d87ec40$36cdfea9@michael> From: "Michael Jordan" To: "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" References: <000601c11f66$f9bca6a0$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Subject: Re: Digital Camera Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:02:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > Can anyone recommend where to start looking? What to avoid? Where to go see > them in this area? Where to buy? A few features to look for: At least 2 Megapixel CCD - more (usually) equals better The ability to use Alkaline batteries as well as rechargeables Removeable storage - my preference tends towards CF - it's a little larger than smartmedia, but a lot more rugged - prices per MB are about the same. USB connectivity - even better yet, get a USB reader for your PC for the flavor of media that you want and save the camera's batteries (digital cameras EAT bateries - and the ubitiquous AC brick is a pain) The more optical zoom, the better (also the more $$) - digital zoom is to be avoided. Generally speaking, I tend to like Kodak cameras at the low end (low = <$1K) - good resolution and color reproduction over all. Almost all cameras in your price range will have a PHD mode - you may want to look for one that will let you do more should you want to. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 20:55:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10505.mail.yahoo.com (web10505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.155]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f780tp611572 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010808005550.37604.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.147.78.216] by web10505.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 17:55:50 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:55:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzookus Maximus Subject: Re: AMA Weekend @ VIR To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>-----Original Message----- >>> On Tuesday 07 August 2001 14:28, SKeener2@XXXXXX >>> wrote: >>> > In a message dated 8/7/01 1:54:45 PM Eastern >>> Daylight Time, >>> > >>> > sean.jordan@XXXXXX writes: >>> > > There are 3 shower stalls in the restroom >>> facilities. >>> > >>> > In the pit area. >>> >>> which from what I know, if it's like formula USA, >>> you need a special pit pass >>> to enter. not sure, but I'd bet it to be true at >>> AMA also. It would be kind of far if you had to walk, but there are two nice shower stalls on the south course. The NESBA group will be there, but you should have access there if you have a ticket/wristband for the AMA event. Might be better odds for a shower than on the north. :) -jeff ===== ->bikes: '00 GSX-R750, 01 SV650 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 7 23:26:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f783QI613930 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA14250 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net [64.8.20.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA15396 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d478406837 ([216.174.23.178]) by smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GHQC6M02.YYJ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:25:34 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Dccycles2" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: The new YAMAHA Tri-Moto! Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:25:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sound Required - Rated "R" http://www.tl1000.com/humor/yamaha.wav Sorry, it cracked me up. Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club mailto:gary@XXXXXX TL Owners Club: http://www.tl1000.com TL Owners Board: http://server5.ezboard.com/btlownersboard TL Message Board: http://www.voy.com/14718/ Yahoo TL Pit: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/tl1000pit From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 00:15:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f154.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.154]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f784Fl614800 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 00:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:03:25 -0700 Received: from 24.4.252.26 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 04:03:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.4.252.26] From: "Jay Block" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/07/01 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 00:03:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2001 04:03:25.0385 (UTC) FILETIME=[1291E390:01C11FBF] Hey guys, not to toot my own horn (but I will anyway) for legal services try MY website. www.askjayb.com Jay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 08:41:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78CfQ623218 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GHR0082D1WWID@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:41:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GHR00M011WTEJ@XXXXXX>; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 12:41:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chan3544t ([166.36.153.47]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GHR00H6N1WOBE@XXXXXX>; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 12:41:12 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 08:40:37 -0400 From: Robert Verde Subject: RE: Digital Camera In-reply-to: <200108072301.f77N1Ln09556@dirty.meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: rydin@XXXXXX Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Message-id: <001a01c12007$537f34f0$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I've got a Sony Mavica that I am quite happy with. It takes pics on either floppy discs, or (with an adapter) on the proprietary Sony memory-stick media. Only real downside is that its about the size, shape, and weight of a brick; okay maybe two paperback books. No idea of price, I think around $500 list, so $350-400 street. I won it by subscribing to comics via e-mail... Robert Honda VF750F -----Original Message----- From: "rydin" Subject: Digital Camera Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:32:46 -0700 My budget is $400. I'm looking for something that has an optical zoom, but is mostly PHD (Push Here Dummy), easy to hook up to the computer, and gives fairly good quality pictures. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 08:46:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.warren-news.com (mail.warren-news.com [209.8.211.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f78Cke623393 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EXCHANGE by mail.warren-news.com via smtpd (for dsl027-137-007.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 8 Aug 2001 12:48:48 UT Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:45:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Fisk, Euan" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Battery Charging-thanks Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:45:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks to Horkster, Shawn, Dan, Etc. for the info. She's now convinced a new batter is what she need...guess she just needed to hear it from someone other than the guy she would have called when the old battery died on the road. [me] thanks, Euan _____________________ Euan Fisk Assistant Editor efisk@XXXXXX 202-872-9202 x279 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 09:50:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78DoZ624488 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LakeSueE@XXXXXX by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.e4.19012843 (15904) for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web28.aolmail.aol.com (web28.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.4]) by air-id09.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID97-0808095021; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:50:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:50:21 EDT From: LakeSueE@XXXXXX Subject: New-rider syndrome To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Hi everyone. For all you ladies out there (perhaps the gents might experience this too) I have been getting hip cramps almost every time I sit on my motorcycle. I have been riding for a full month now. Have any of you ever had this? Does it go away as you sit more often? I know that this sounds really funny but it is a bit uncomfortable when you are riding in the city streets and you can't stand up and stretch. Sue (I am writing from aol now because the list was getting lots of weird stuff when I sent it from work e-mail.) From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 09:55:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14608.mail.yahoo.com (web14608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f78DtM624512 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010808135519.459.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14608.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 06:55:19 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 06:55:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/07/01 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jay Block wrote: > Hey guys, not to toot my own horn (but I will anyway) for > legal services try MY website. www.askjayb.com that's what was missing from dcc.... straight-up attorney SPAM! sorry jay, but standard operating procedure here is to first berate the potential clients. ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 10:10:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78EAn624764 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f78EAe323378; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:10:46 -0400 From: laura granato To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/07/01 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:12:14 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20010808135519.459.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010808135519.459.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01080810121401.28199@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 08 August 2001 09:55, Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Jay Block wrote: > > Hey guys, not to toot my own horn (but I will anyway) for > > legal services try MY website. www.askjayb.com > > that's what was missing from dcc.... straight-up attorney > SPAM! > > sorry jay, but standard operating procedure here is to > first berate the potential clients. ;) > therefore, Gimer gets a lot of business from us. (that was humor, was that one ok?) ;-) LAG From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 10:33:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78EXj625189 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org ([65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f78EXT323413; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:33:30 -0400 From: laura granato To: LakeSueE@XXXXXX, Subject: Re: New-rider syndrome Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:34:25 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01080810342502.28199@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Sue: If you just started riding, first of all...way to go! glad to have another female out here. If you are a beginner, it will definitely take your body a little while to adjust to riding. I'm sure that you're not used to sitting on something that weighs over 300 lbs, and that takes a lot out of you. When I first started riding, I couldn't ride 50 miles without serious hurting...but it does go away. If after a few weeks more it doesn't, I'd suggest starting to look at your bike. Is your seating position vs. your body type putting strain on your hips? We switched the handle bars on my bike to a lower position, and now it's much moer comfortable and less stressful on my...um...rump. Also, is your seat hard? maybe look into replacing that with another one (don't start that debate! :-) Really try to analyze the next time you are riding when and where your body starts bothering you, as this will give you a huge clue into how to fix it. Also, try stretching before and after you ride...this will help a lot. Ride safe. Laura On Wednesday 08 August 2001 09:50, LakeSueE@XXXXXX wrote: > Hi everyone. For all you ladies out there (perhaps the gents might > experience this too) I have been getting hip cramps almost every time I sit > on my motorcycle. I have been riding for a full month now. Have any of you > ever had this? Does it go away as you sit more often? I know that this > sounds really funny but it is a bit uncomfortable when you are riding in > the city streets and you can't stand up and stretch. > > Sue > > (I am writing from aol now because the list was getting lots of weird stuff > when I sent it from work e-mail.) From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 10:43:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pandora.gtsi.com (gateway.gtsi.com [192.254.22.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78Eho625358 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch2.corp.gtsi.com (exch2.gtsi.com [192.254.20.203]) by pandora.gtsi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f78Ee5d09866 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by exch2.gtsi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:34:48 -0400 Message-ID: <23607C0BFEAAD211B8B80008C79A0ADA035165C6@exchgreen.gtsi.com> From: Phil Simerly To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New-rider syndrome Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:37:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Being the old geezer that I am when I first got my new ride I did get a bit of hip pain when on long rides. What I do now is I take a 600mil Motrin before any long ride and don't have that problem anymore. :) Can someone help me onto my bike.. HEHE HillJack EATW #1 ICQ #2014076 "When I get too old to ride just shoot me. PLEASE" 2001 FLHTC (The Couch) 1992 ZR750 (Sold) 1982 XJ650 (Sold) -----Original Message----- From: LakeSueE@XXXXXX [mailto:LakeSueE@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:50 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New-rider syndrome Hi everyone. For all you ladies out there (perhaps the gents might experience this too) I have been getting hip cramps almost every time I sit on my motorcycle. I have been riding for a full month now. Have any of you ever had this? Does it go away as you sit more often? I know that this sounds really funny but it is a bit uncomfortable when you are riding in the city streets and you can't stand up and stretch. Sue (I am writing from aol now because the list was getting lots of weird stuff when I sent it from work e-mail.) From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 10:49:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78Enh625478 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQlbex14615 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:49:42 GMT Received: from [153.39.136.61] by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ws98974.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.136.61]) id QQlbex08624 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:48:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:48:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: New-rider syndrome Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sue said: >I have been getting hip cramps almost every time I sit on my >motorcycle. I have been riding for a full month now. A FULL MONTH?!!??! You mean, like, 720 hours, non-stop continuously riding a motorcycle! Hang on, be right back.....(stands up and smartly saluting you, wherever you are). How do you stop for gas? How did you type this email? Incredible! >Have any of you ever had this? No, my best is 19 hours. 45 minutes of which I slept, but I did it on the motorcycle, without getting off first. And then later, on a completely different subject, Tom said: >despite your assurances, i believe we're still disagreeing >on semantics. you're talking about a wobble, and i'm >talking about a tankslapper. I have to agree with Tom on this. (Stopping to scan the horizon for the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.....ah, there's Plague now....oh, wait. That's just my Boss.) Considering the sudden and violent nature of a tankslapper, (and I have encountered tankslappers with NO wobble. Actually, try popping a wheelie, turn your wheel half-lock in either direction, and then land the wheelie. Voila! Instant no-pre-wobble tank-slapper.) even the best riders oftentimes don't have enough time to react. And I'm talking about top-level AMA riders. If they can't do it, we sure as hell can't!. And if we did, it was pure luck. And on to the last subject.... Laura said: >therefore, Gimer gets a lot of business from us. Now THAT was FUNNY. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 10:59:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78ExK625657 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GHR00LEE8AE4J@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:59:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GHR001018A9IG@XXXXXX>; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 14:59:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GHR00MEV89XX8@XXXXXX>; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 14:58:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 10:58:39 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Battery Charging-thanks To: "Fisk, Euan" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <3B71539F.CC9C69A5@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: "Fisk, Euan" wrote: > > Thanks to Horkster, Shawn, Dan, Etc. for the > info. She's now convinced a new batter is what > she need...guess she just needed to hear it > from someone other than the guy she would have > called when the old battery died on the road. [me] My wife Tracy has moments like that, too. Won't believe a word I say, but yet asks directions from the drunken bum on the street corner and takes it like it was Gospel or something. :) Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 11:04:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78F4D625778 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id LAA18026; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:00:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.us.pw.com via smap (V5.5) id xma010960; Wed, 8 Aug 01 10:58:19 -0400 Received: from us-amsmta005.us.pw.com by uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GHR00I828C052@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 11:01:16 -0400 Subject: Re: New-rider syndrome To: lgranato@XXXXXX Cc: LakeSueE@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 08/08/2001 11:02:32 AM In addition to Laura's comments, maybe it is just stress or tension? A month isn't all that long, and perhaps you are just inordinately tense and clenching your muscles ... what I would imagine would be typical nerves for beginning riders. Maybe some focus on relaxing yourself while riding would help. Outside of that, I agree that looking at aftermarket handlebar and seat option are a good Idea. I put a set of helibars and a corbin on mine and it made a ton of difference. Although, I disagree with going with a softer seat. I personnally find that a more firm, more supportive seat works better for me. Of course, YMMV. Welcome, --chris On Wednesday 08 August 2001 09:50, LakeSueE@XXXXXX wrote: > Hi everyone. For all you ladies out there (perhaps the gents might > experience this too) I have been getting hip cramps almost every time I sit > on my motorcycle. I have been riding for a full month now. Have any of you > ever had this? Does it go away as you sit more often? I know that this > sounds really funny but it is a bit uncomfortable when you are riding in > the city streets and you can't stand up and stretch. > > Sue > > (I am writing from aol now because the list was getting lots of weird stuff > when I sent it from work e-mail.) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 11:19:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78FJL626058 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-144.s144.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.144] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15UV79-0001oL-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 11:19:20 -0400 Message-ID: <074201c1201d$4012d140$906daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: New-rider syndrome Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:17:33 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Welcome to the marvelous world of motorcycles. You never told us what type of bike you are riding... Danny '98 VTR '99 SV (race bike) battered for now... Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:01 AM Subject: Re: New-rider syndrome > > In addition to Laura's comments, maybe it is just stress or tension? A > month isn't all that long, and perhaps you are just inordinately tense and > clenching your muscles ... what I would imagine would be typical nerves for > beginning riders. Maybe some focus on relaxing yourself while riding would > help. Outside of that, I agree that looking at aftermarket handlebar and > seat option are a good Idea. > > I put a set of helibars and a corbin on mine and it made a ton of > difference. Although, I disagree with going with a softer seat. I > personnally find that a more firm, more supportive seat works better for > me. Of course, YMMV. > > Welcome, > --chris > > > > On Wednesday 08 August 2001 09:50, LakeSueE@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hi everyone. For all you ladies out there (perhaps the gents might > > experience this too) I have been getting hip cramps almost every time I > sit > > on my motorcycle. I have been riding for a full month now. Have any of > you > > ever had this? Does it go away as you sit more often? I know that this > > sounds really funny but it is a bit uncomfortable when you are riding in > > the city streets and you can't stand up and stretch. > > > > Sue > > > > (I am writing from aol now because the list was getting lots of weird > stuff > > when I sent it from work e-mail.) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. 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Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 7/20/01 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 12:13:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78GDY627017 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-105-178.s432.tnt12.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.105.178] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15UVxZ-0005MI-00 ; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 12:13:30 -0400 Message-ID: <017401c12025$12994d40$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: New-rider syndrome Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:12:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sue: Welcome to riding and to the group! After a two or three hundred miles on the VFR in one day, Tylenol is still necessary equipment for me, even though I find the bike very comfortable. Best advice is to shift your position around on the bike moving fore and aft on the seat. I also stick my legs straight out to a virtual "highway peg" position to take the load off from time to time. Also ease up, don't try to maintain a death grip on the bars and always keep your arms bent and your back straight. Don't slouch or "reach" for the bars. If you feel like you need to "reach" then it's probably time to look at bike mods. Also your hands are on the grips solely to manipulate the controls, not to keep you on the bike. Try handling them like they are delicate bird's eggs. Very light touch. This applies to any bike: cruiser, standard or sport. You may not realize it, but you may have a lot of tension in your upper body which is causing pain elsewhere. Fatigue and tension is also caused by other distractions like wind noise. Ear plugs do wonders for me in extending my seat time, not to mention preventing me from becoming a deaf old man. You didn't mention what you're riding. Perhaps there are model-specific tips and modifications other listers could offer. Check out your posture first and then look at the bike setup. Hope that helps, Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hi everyone. For all you ladies out there (perhaps the gents might experience this too) I have been getting hip cramps almost every time I sit on my motorcycle. I have been riding for a full month now. Have any of you ever had this? Does it go away as you sit more often? I know that this sounds really funny but it is a bit uncomfortable when you are riding in the city streets and you can't stand up and stretch. > > Sue > > (I am writing from aol now because the list was getting lots of weird stuff when I sent it from work e-mail.) From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 12:40:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14608.mail.yahoo.com (web14608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f78Ger627428 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010808164049.44586.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14608.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:40:49 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:40:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: New-rider syndrome To: LakeSueE@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i had the same problem on my zx11d, but only in one hip. i could do nothing to fix the situation. the riding position on my next bike, while more aggressive, did not create a similar problem. because you just started riding, this could simply be a body-breakin period for you. however, if the pain doesn't subside with time in the saddle, i suggest you purchase an aftermarket seat to change your riding position and/or consider replacing your bike with one with a different setup. --- LakeSueE@XXXXXX wrote: > Hi everyone. For all you ladies out there (perhaps the > gents might experience this too) I have been getting hip > cramps almost every time I sit on my motorcycle. I have > been riding for a full month now. Have any of you ever > had this? Does it go away as you sit more often? I know > that this sounds really funny but it is a bit > uncomfortable when you are riding in the city streets and > you can't stand up and stretch. > > Sue > > (I am writing from aol now because the list was getting > lots of weird stuff when I sent it from work e-mail.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 12:42:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14607.mail.yahoo.com (web14607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f78GgG627541 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010808164209.99596.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14607.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:42:09 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:42:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/07/01 To: laura granato , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01080810121401.28199@firewall.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- laura granato wrote: > On Wednesday 08 August 2001 09:55, Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- Jay Block wrote: > > > Hey guys, not to toot my own horn (but I will anyway) > > > for legal services try MY website. www.askjayb.com > > > > that's what was missing from dcc.... straight-up > > attorney SPAM! > > > > sorry jay, but standard operating procedure here is to > > first berate the potential clients. ;) > > > therefore, Gimer gets a lot of business from us. > (that was humor, was that one ok?) ;-) joke approved. -- tg vp, humor division __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 12:47:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14607.mail.yahoo.com (web14607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f78GlA627635 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010808164709.1278.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14607.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:47:09 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:47:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: New-rider syndrome To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX Cc: LakeSueE@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > Outside of that, I agree that looking at > aftermarket handlebar and seat option are a good Idea. > > Although, I disagree with going with a softer seat. I > personnally find that a more firm, more supportive seat > works better for me. Of course, YMMV. soft seat bad, hard seat good -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 13:10:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78HAU627975 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-209.244.208.100.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.208.100]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22762; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B7172C9.9648C5F1@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 13:11:37 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Tom Gimer , LakeSueE@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New-rider syndrome References: <20010808164049.44586.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or hire a shyster lawyer -- like Gimer -- to sue the manufacturer of your motorcycle for pain and discomfort. %^) Tom Gimer wrote : > > because you just started riding, this could simply be a > body-breakin period for you. however, if the pain doesn't > subside with time in the saddle, i suggest you purchase an > aftermarket seat to change your riding position and/or > consider replacing your bike with one with a different > setup. -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 13:31:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14607.mail.yahoo.com (web14607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f78HV5628361 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010808173104.13339.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14607.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 10:31:04 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:31:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: New-rider syndrome To: the_penas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Tom Gimer , LakeSueE@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3B7172C9.9648C5F1@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Or hire a shyster lawyer -- like Gimer -- to sue the > manufacturer of your motorcycle for pain and discomfort. %^) ouch. that's actually NOT what i do. and it's "sheister," damnit! > Tom Gimer wrote : > > > > because you just started riding, this could simply be a > > body-breakin period for you. however, if the pain > > doesn't subside with time in the saddle, i suggest you > > purchase an aftermarket seat to change your riding > > position and/or consider replacing your bike with one > > with a different setup. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 13:35:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from athena.nswc.navy.mil (athena.nswc.navy.mil [198.91.70.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78HZh628448 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (relay.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.1.41]) by athena.nswc.navy.mil (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f78HZe322498 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09129 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndeptnotes5.nswc.navy.mil (ndeptnotes5.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.14.153]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA09110; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ndeptnotes5.nswc.navy.mil(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 85256AA2.006128D6 ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:41:14 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NSWCDD_NDEPT From: jrsteve@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: ulrichboser@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256AA2.0061269E.00@ndeptnotes5.nswc.navy.mil> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:39:58 -0400 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/24/01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Question for someone more mechanically inclined than I am (this category includes most children, dogs, and some of the more intelligent species of plant life). Also some fairly amusing commentary on a local mechanic: My old Sooz is in need of some help. Burning gas at an alarming rate (~25 mpg), new plugs are already black, my clothes smell like gas after riding, but no visible leaks. Bogs down under heavy throttle. Took it to a local mechanic (GRD Cycles) and the first question was "Why did you buy one so old?" (In hindsight, this should have been my cue to skedaddle.) After they kept it for 2 days, their analysis was "fuel vapors venting from the tank." When I pointed out the plugs, their advice (and I swear I'm not making this up) was, "take it out on the highway and ride it at 90 for a few miles." A judge would buy that excuse, right? "That's right, officer, I have dispensation from my mechanic to be riding this fast..." \:-O Sheesh, I may be a newbie, but how dumb do dey think I am? John Stevens '77 Suzuki GS750 Waldorf, MD From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 13:36:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78HaY628458 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-209.244.208.100.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.208.100]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28793; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B7178E5.7E6EC243@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 13:37:41 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Tom Gimer , LakeSueE@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New-rider syndrome References: <20010808173104.13339.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also feel compelled to publically apologize for being redundant. Since "sheister" (thank you for correcting me, Tom) and "lawyer" are the same thing. Sort of like "Gimer" and "horse's ass". %^) Tom Gimer wrote: > > and it's "sheister," damnit! -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 13:45:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78HjI628628 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GHR00MORFZA76@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:45:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GHR00J01FYPXE@XXXXXX>; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 17:45:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GHR00J02FYOX5@XXXXXX>; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 17:44:48 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 13:44:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: New-rider syndrome To: the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B717A8A.7AC41EC2@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010808173104.13339.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> <3B7178E5.7E6EC243@XXXXXX> Chuck Pena wrote: > Since "sheister" (thank you for correcting me, Tom) and "lawyer" are the > same thing. Sort of like "Gimer" and "horse's ass". %^) Chuck, You got bigger brass ones than me insulting a lawyer in this day and age... :) Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 13:48:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11003.mail.yahoo.com (web11003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f78HmV628649 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010808174830.1667.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11003.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 10:48:30 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:48:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/24/01 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: ulrichboser@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <85256AA2.0061269E.00@ndeptnotes5.nswc.navy.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Actually I think he was wanting you to blow out the carbs. Sometime they can get a little gunked up and leaky. My suggestions are: 1. Blow out your carbs 2. Clean your Carbs 3. Check fuel filter 4. Clean tank Trey --- jrsteve@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Question for someone more mechanically inclined than > I am (this category includes most children, dogs, > and some of the more > intelligent species of plant life). Also some > fairly amusing commentary on a local mechanic: > > My old Sooz is in need of some help. Burning gas at > an alarming rate (~25 mpg), new plugs are already > black, my clothes > smell like gas after riding, but no visible leaks. > Bogs down under heavy throttle. Took it to a local > mechanic (GRD Cycles) > and the first question was "Why did you buy one so > old?" (In hindsight, this should have been my cue > to skedaddle.) After > they kept it for 2 days, their analysis was "fuel > vapors venting from the tank." When I pointed out > the plugs, their advice > (and I swear I'm not making this up) was, "take it > out on the highway and ride it at 90 for a few > miles." A judge would buy > that excuse, right? "That's right, officer, I have > dispensation from my mechanic to be riding this > fast..." \:-O > > Sheesh, I may be a newbie, but how dumb do dey think > I am? > > > > John Stevens > '77 Suzuki GS750 > Waldorf, MD > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 13:57:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f78Hv9628822 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010808175703.54583.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 10:57:03 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:57:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: New-rider syndrome To: Dale Horstman , the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3B717A8A.7AC41EC2@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Chuck Pena wrote: > > > Since "sheister" (thank you for correcting me, Tom) and > "lawyer" are the > > same thing. Sort of like "Gimer" and "horse's ass". > %^) > > Chuck, > > You got bigger brass ones than me insulting a lawyer > in this day and age... :) dale: what chuck won't be %^)ing about is the lien i recently placed upon his home and the garnishment he'll discover on his next pay stub. keep it up, chuck! my wife needs a new convertible. ;) ===== tg For quality legal services at reasonable rates, check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 13:59:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from athena.nswc.navy.mil (athena.nswc.navy.mil [198.91.70.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78Hxb628834 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (relay.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.1.41]) by athena.nswc.navy.mil (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f78HxY326072 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18376 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.1.20]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18338 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id Q3PB0GAH; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:59:29 -0400 Received: from 128.38.204.28 by dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 08 Aug 2001 13:59:29 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Received: by nswcdlvaex01.nswc.navy.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:59:28 -0400 Message-ID: <7B4C28C84831D211BFA200805F9F345603B3CC03@nswcdlvaex04.nswc.navy.mil> From: Gaske David G DLVA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/24/01 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:59:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Also sounds like maybe the needles and sets are worn out, thus allowing to much fuel into the engine? Being a UJM, maybe you could pick up carbs from another mid 80's suzuki? Pull them apart and look for any and all wear and tear. The shop on the base has a nice parts tank that should get any built up crud right off. David "Lost Dawg" Gaske '00 Sprint RS (yellow) Fredericksburg, Va. USA > Question for someone more mechanically inclined than > I am (this category includes most children, dogs, > and some of the more > intelligent species of plant life). Also some > fairly amusing commentary on a local mechanic: > > My old Sooz is in need of some help. Burning gas at > an alarming rate (~25 mpg), new plugs are already > black, my clothes > smell like gas after riding, but no visible leaks. > Bogs down under heavy throttle. Took it to a local > mechanic (GRD Cycles) > and the first question was "Why did you buy one so > old?" (In hindsight, this should have been my cue > to skedaddle.) After > they kept it for 2 days, their analysis was "fuel > vapors venting from the tank." When I pointed out > the plugs, their advice > (and I swear I'm not making this up) was, "take it > out on the highway and ride it at 90 for a few > miles." A judge would buy > that excuse, right? "That's right, officer, I have > dispensation from my mechanic to be riding this > fast..." \:-O > > Sheesh, I may be a newbie, but how dumb do dey think > I am? > > > > John Stevens > '77 Suzuki GS750 > Waldorf, MD > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 14:06:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14006.mail.yahoo.com (web14006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f78I64629007 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010808180603.94810.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.25] by web14006.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 11:06:03 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:06:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: 25 mpg Suzuki To: DCCycles In-Reply-To: <85256AA2.0061269E.00@ndeptnotes5.nswc.navy.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- jrsteve@XXXXXX wrote: > My old Sooz is in need of some help. Burning gas at > an alarming rate (~25 mpg), new plugs are already > black, my clothes > smell like gas after riding, but no visible leaks. A leaking float needle would do that. Floats that don't float anymore would do that. But neither of these makes a lot of sense if it's all four plugs that are fouled. Does the bike have a vacuum line to the fuel petcock? If it does, it won't leak when the engine is stopped because the vaccuum won't let it flow unless the motor is running. And when the engine is running, the leaking fuel will be sucked into the motor where it will foul your plugs. You could apply vacuum to the line (or turn the switch to prime if it has that position) then fuel will leak into the engine with it turned off. Leave it in this position overnight and in the morning you'll probably have at least one cylinder full of fuel and a puddle of fuel under the bike. Remove the plugs pump the fuel out of the motor, change the oil and then fix the carbs. OTOH, if you do run it at 90, then 25 mpg will be about right. > > Sheesh, I may be a newbie, but how dumb do dey think > I am? You might be surprised, that comment about some of the more intelligent species of plants isn't far from the truth for some people. Besides, it's a '77 and it runs, what more do you want? Leon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 14:54:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78Ist629739 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kawgirl (kawgirl.kivex.com [208.213.150.18]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id OAA10755 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:54:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "lisa@XXXXXX" X-Sender: lgoddard@kawgirl To: dccycles Subject: gas, or lack thereof Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII nothing beats running out of gas on I-270 in this heat!!!! I decided to ride the spare bike this morning. Checked the miles on the tank. The miles on the tripmeter looked a little high so I backed the bike out of the garage and peered into the tank while outside for better lighting. Everything looks good, there seems to be plenty of fuel sloshing around the bottom. Enough to get me to Wacky Wednesday at the Shell on the way to my office. Halfway to work I figured that my estimate was wrong. Sputter, sputter cough, clunk! I have barely figured out where the choke is on that bike let alone the reserve switch. Also, my VFR does not have reserve, nor did my last bike. I made it to my normal exit for Rt. 355. using inertia. Pulled over on to the nice wide, but not shady, shoulder. Called Jay, he works two miles from there. He arrives within 10 minutes and manages to extract gas from his Monster to feed the FZR. I ride the Duc and he rides the FZR to the gas station. I was only 33 minutes late to work, not bad! Lisa '95 VFR <-- sitting at home with plenty of gas in it FZR <-- with a freshly filled gas tank From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 14:55:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78Itw629772 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA29094 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:51:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:51:03 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rooms at VIR Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you're looking for a motel near VIR I heard that motels in Eden NC (20 miles from Danville) still have rooms. Hugh From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 15:32:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kafka.net.nih.gov (kafka.net.nih.gov [165.112.130.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78JWX600528 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.231.204.107] (pk.niaaa.nih.gov [128.231.204.107]) by kafka.net.nih.gov (8.11.3/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f78JWVR01040 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:32:28 -0400 To: dccycles From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: gas, or lack thereof - my question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 2:54 PM -0400 8/8/01, lisa@XXXXXX wrote: >nothing beats running out of gas on I-270 in this heat!!!! > >Halfway to work I figured that my estimate was wrong. Sputter, sputter >cough, clunk! I have barely figured out where the choke is on that bike let alone the reserve switch. I learned my first lesson about this on Monday. I thought I was having electrical problems, since I had just recharged the battery I had let die the week before - but I hadn't reset my trip meter and didn't judge gas level right . My fault - I'm learning how to work with no gauge. My question - turning to reserve seemed to do no real good once I realized what was going on, at the side of the road trying to start it again. A gas station was near - and I thought I had read that a soda-can of gas was enough to get me moving again. I poured that in, but I killed the battery trying to get it started after that, since it wouldn't turn over. Once I recharged the battery up at home, and brought a gallon of gas to it, I could laboriously get it going again. Is a "soda can" worth just not enough to fill the system and get moving again? What's the best way to get the engine to start once drained dry - full choke, open throttle, and continuous starter? Or is it probably something more simple - like my spark plugs are old/need adjustment to turn over easier? Thanks, 74' CB-750 Erick From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 15:37:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78JbU600618 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA18344 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web10006.mail.yahoo.com (web10006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.42]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA11910 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010808193726.31031.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.104.54.1] by web10006.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 12:37:26 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:37:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Paresh Karandikar Subject: Torque Specs on 929 To: dc DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone on this list know what the torque specs are for the engine mount bolts on the 2001 Honda CBR 929? I am sure it is in the 929 service manual but I need to order one. I want to know this because I want to install my frame sliders and don't want to wait until the service manual arrives via mail. Please copy me directly since I am in digest mode. Thanks. --Paresh 2001 Honda CBR 929 Erion Edition __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 16:27:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe53.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.89]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78KRn601504 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:16:29 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.101.141.139] From: "Greg Thompson" To: "dccycles" References: Subject: Re: gas, or lack thereof - my question Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:17:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2001 20:16:29.0087 (UTC) FILETIME=[01F7D2F0:01C12047] "Erick Singley" wrote: > My question - turning to reserve seemed to do no real good once I > realized what was going on, at the side of the road trying to start > it again. when i first started riding i had a similar experience. i found that once my bike had drained the carbs and died from a lack of fuel, it took a LOT of cranking with the starter after flipping to reserve to get it to start again. same thing if the carbs empty out from the bike lying on its side. now, i just make sure i'm still rolling when i flip to reserve. no sweat. > but I killed the battery trying to get it started after that, since > it wouldn't turn over. if your battery was a bit low, then by the time the cranking had gotten enough fuel through the carbs you might not have had enough juice left over for a spark. try push starting next time. i became a pro at this earlier in the spring when i was riding with a mostly dead battery for a month. ugh. one other tip: you may want to try starting without the choke next time, too. if your bike's already nice and warm, the choke may make it more difficult to start. at least it does for me. add in usual 'your mileage may vary' gunk. -- -greg From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 16:43:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78Khs601746 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-49-155.s409.tnt5.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.49.155] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15UaBE-0007jg-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 16:43:53 -0400 Message-ID: <00fc01c1204a$c3bd0ce0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dccycles" References: Subject: Re: gas, or lack thereof - my question Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:42:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 It depends on whether your bike has a vacuum operated petcock or not. I'm pretty sure a CB750 of that vintage is not vacuum-operated. If it's not vacuum-operated or has a "prime" position, you can turn it to "on", "reserve" or "prime" and wait a couple of minutes for the float bowls to fill up. If you have a vacuum-operated petcock and no "prime" you have to crank it to generate vacuum to keep the valve open while the bowls fill. After a couple of times, you can take note of the "early warning signs" (engine suddenly lacks power or sputters) and flip to the "reserve position" on the fly. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F <-no reserve, just fuel gauge, an idiot light and a trip odometer http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Thompson > "Erick Singley" wrote: > > My question - turning to reserve seemed to do no real good once I > > realized what was going on, at the side of the road trying to start > > it again. > > when i first started riding i had a similar experience. i found that once > my bike had drained the carbs and died from a lack of fuel, it took a LOT of > cranking with the starter after flipping to reserve to get it to start > again. same thing if the carbs empty out from the bike lying on its side. > > now, i just make sure i'm still rolling when i flip to reserve. no sweat. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 16:45:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78Kjr601826 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GHR00BIGOCA09@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 20:45:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GHR00H01OBYQ0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 20:45:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GHR00FQWOBR6S@XXXXXX>; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 20:45:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 16:45:20 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: gas, or lack thereof - my question To: Greg Thompson Cc: dccycles Message-id: <3B71A4E0.92B9E6D5@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Greg Thompson wrote: > > "Erick Singley" wrote: > > My question - turning to reserve seemed to do no real good once I > > realized what was going on, at the side of the road trying to start > > it again. > > when i first started riding i had a similar experience. i found that once > my bike had drained the carbs and died from a lack of fuel, it took a LOT of > cranking with the starter after flipping to reserve to get it to start > again. If you are lucky enough to have a "Prime" setting on your petcock, this is a good time to use it. It lets gas flow into the carbs, even if the engine isn't running. The Concours has a really big gas tank, it seems a real shame to pull up to the pump and only put 5 or 6 gallons in, so I try to maximize it. :) I've limped into the gas station on fumes once or twice. Sometimes I found that leaving the bike sit for a few moments even after it had "run out" of gas, I could restart it and move a few hundred more yards. I've also taken off the tank and swished the gas around to the petcock side, which I left on prime and attached to the carbs. Your petcock seldom drains the tank dry. A reserve-reserve if you will. I know a guy on the Connie list who has dumped a bottle of rubbing alcohol into his tank after he ran out - was enough to get him to a station. I hear hard liquor works as well. :) I also had luck once by pulling the choke on as the bike started sputtering. Even though the motor was good and hot, it seemed to run a little better that way. The gas station was really close that time, so I didn't try to see how far I could get that way... I always try to carry a couple of fuel line hoses with me on the bike. One is about 6 feet long. The other is only about a foot long. If you stick both into another bike's gas tank, cover the opening tightly with a rag, and blow on the short hose, you can pressurize the tank and get gas out of the other line. It sure beats sucking on the other end to get the gas flowing. I think this is called an Arkansas credit card, but I can't figure out why. :) Horkster PS: Ever put 8 gallons of gas into a 7.5 gallon tank? I've done it twice now. :) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 17:08:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78L8q602159 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LakeSueE@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.d2.a885ad5 (15904) for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web29.aolmail.aol.com (web29.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.5]) by air-id09.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID97-0808170844; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 17:08:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 17:08:43 EDT From: LakeSueE@XXXXXX Subject: tight hips To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Thanks for all the advice guys (and Laura!) I look forward to meeting you all on Sunday at Bike Night. sue From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 17:16:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c001.snv.cp.net (c001-h008.c001.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f78LGI602307 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 11459 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2001 14:16:11 -0700 Received: from raven.cscoe.accenture.com (HELO truck.lemrow.com) (63.79.101.3) by smtp.lemrow.com (209.228.32.122) with SMTP; 8 Aug 2001 14:16:11 -0700 X-Sent: 8 Aug 2001 21:16:11 GMT Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010808171356.01faa340@mail.lemrow.com> X-Sender: firblt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 17:15:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Justin Lemrow Subject: Re: New-rider syndrome In-Reply-To: <20010808164709.1278.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sue, one thing i've seen some beginners do (myself included for as long as i could stand it) was stick to straight roads when they were learning. As I think Paul mentioned, moving around will help you fatigue less. Thus, even if you're not hanging off the bike in curves, you will end up moving around ever so slightly more. Thus, I find a twistier road much more "comfy" to ride then a straight one... but i'm slabophobic ;) Ride Safe, Justin PS you should come on one of the beginner rides i plan.. look for one probably in late sept or oct :) 1999 VFR 800 Northern VA/Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 18:32:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web20107.mail.yahoo.com (web20107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.44]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f78MWF603436 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010808223210.26708.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.77.68.15] by web20107.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 15:32:10 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:32:10 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: major JR Phoenix jacket clear-out To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the guy is apparently a JR dealer but he's selling them individually (I guess doesn't know how to do Dutch auctions). Check out on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=594114984 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 19:16:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13001.mail.yahoo.com (web13001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f78NGp604226 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010808231650.96944.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.157.55.134] by web13001.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 16:16:50 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:16:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: International Motorcycle Show - Schedule To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, I know it's way early, but I know a bunch of you usually go to the International motorcycle shows, so thought you'd like to see the schedule, as printed in "Backroads." New York - Jacob Javits Center: December 28-30, 2001 Philadelphia - PA Convention Center: January 18-20, 2002 Atlanta - Cobb Galleria: January 25-27, 2002 Ohio - IX Center: February 1-3, 2002 Daytona Beach - Daytona Int'l Spwy: March 6-10, 2002. NYC is smack dab between Xmas and New Years. Advanstar, the producer of the show, said that was the only date the Javtis Center had available with suitable room to accomodate the traffic that the show produces. (People who went last year may remember how crowded it was because they were squeezed into a smaller than usual space) Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 19:40:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f19.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78NeZ604558 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:28:27 -0700 Received: from 151.196.238.35 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 23:28:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.196.238.35] From: "Jay Block" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: email Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 19:28:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2001 23:28:27.0624 (UTC) FILETIME=[D38D1680:01C12061] Hi folks, First, my sympathy (and empathy) to Gimer. I've suffered enough slings and arrows as a (1) biker, (2) lawyer and (3) biker lawyer, that it is part of the package. Actually I don't know which part of me they find the most shocking. Oh well... Second, Sue's problem. Not knowing her or her bike, I won't guess too much other than sheepskin to allow a little air flow. Stretching exercises may be in order too. (I know, after long rides, I need to do knee bends, etc.) Third, for me, I am in court in La Plata next week. Anyone know of a bed and breakfast in the area? I am heading down a day early to get my photo for the MVA MSP Ride across Maryland thing. Last stop is Harford County. Jay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 20:13:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f790DA605073 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 20:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-16.patriot.net [209.249.181.16]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f790D5N17644; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 20:13:06 -0400 Message-ID: <3B71D423.AB15885A@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 20:06:59 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: lgranato@XXXXXX, LakeSueE@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New-rider syndrome References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, I can't resist... christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > In addition to Laura's comments, maybe it is just stress or tension? A > month isn't all that long, and perhaps you are just inordinately tense and > clenching your muscles ... Clenching muscles? Oh, baby, baby... > Maybe some focus on relaxing yourself while riding would > help. Oh yeah, just relax and go along fer the ride... > Although, I disagree with going with a softer seat. I > personnally find that a more firm, more supportive seat works better for > me. Of course, YMMV. Hmmm... I kinda like a soft *seat*, but a nice firm seat is also very nice! Ahem, back the intent of the topic, chris is right about - er - motorcycle seats, a firm one is the way to go. Handlebar ergonomics are also important - methinks Motorcycle Consumer News did a piece on handlebars a year or so ago - very informative. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 21:29:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f791TV606183 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.be.185c0004 (4000) for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:29:20 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:29:19 EDT Subject: Pay at pump To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 The short version... Do not use pay at the pump if you are traveling on a bike. Why? It seems that when you use pay at the pump the fuel company confirms that you have enough available by putting a "block" on enough of your money to pay for a fill up of just about anything out there, a Cadillac, a motor home, or whatever, then they "refund" the remainder. The problem is that it can take a week or more for that refund to show up in your account. Here you are putting $5.00 at a time for a fill up on your bike, 4 or 5 times a day and $40 or $50 or more disappears from your account each time. All of a sudden your card is getting declined even though you "know" you have plenty in your account. The solution is simple, pay inside, that way what you buy is what you pay for. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 21:33:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f791XW606272 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.2d.fa74313 (4000) for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:33:22 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <2d.fa74313.28a34262@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:33:22 EDT Subject: Re: Tech Knee Que To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/8/2001 10:50:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sean.jordan@XXXXXX writes: > try popping a wheelie, turn your wheel half-lock in > either direction, and then land the wheelie. Voila! Instant > no-pre-wobble tank-slapper. Now that I would call bad technique!!! #:-) > John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 21:49:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe71.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f791nS606512 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:36:51 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [65.9.63.233] From: "Cliff Zigmond" To: , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Pay at pump Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:37:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 6.10.0016.1619 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C12052.503A7520" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2001 01:36:51.0762 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3934120:01C12073] ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C12052.503A7520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, but I hate going inside the gas station. I have never had the prob= lem you describe, but couldn't you also use a credit card as opposed to a= debit card? Cliff No bike at the moment =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:34 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Pay at pump =20 The short version... Do not use pay at the pump if you are traveling on a bike. Why? It seems that when you use pay at the pump the fuel company confirms that you have enough available by putting a "block" on enough of your mon= ey to pay for a fill up of just about anything out there, a Cadillac, a moto= r home, or whatever, then they "refund" the remainder. The problem is that = it can take a week or more for that refund to show up in your account. Here = you are putting $5.00 at a time for a fill up on your bike, 4 or 5 times a da= y and $40 or $50 or more disappears from your account each time. All of a sudden your card is getting declined even though you "know" you have plen= ty in your account. The solution is simple, pay inside, that way what you bu= y is what you pay for. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racerGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explore= r download : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C12052.503A7520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah, but I ha= te going inside the gas station.  I have never had the problem = you describe, but couldn't you also use a credit card as opposed to = a debit card?
 
Cliff
No bike at th= e moment 
 
----- Original Mes= sage -----
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:34 PM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Pay at pump
 

The short version... Do not use pay at the pump if you are trave= ling on a
bike.
Why? It seems that when you use pay at the pump the= fuel company confirms
that you have enough available by putting a "bl= ock" on enough of your money
to pay for a fill up of just about anythi= ng out there, a Cadillac, a motor
home, or whatever, then they "refund= " the remainder. The problem is that it
can take a week or more for th= at refund to show up in your account. Here you
are putting $5.00 at a = time for a fill up on your bike, 4 or 5 times a day
and $40 or $50 or = more disappears from your account each time. All of a
sudden your card= is getting declined even though you "know" you have plenty
in your ac= count. The solution is simple, pay inside, that way what you buy is
wh= at you pay for.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX= om
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    = (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200= ,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

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------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C12052.503A7520-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 21:49:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2 (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f791nk606522 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p26.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.26]) by pop2 (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA24792; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:49:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: , Subject: RE: Pay at pump Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:54:20 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c12076$3aaf95e0$1a84c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal The short version... Do not use pay at the pump if you are traveling on a bike. Why? It seems that when you use pay at the pump the fuel company confirms that you have enough available by putting a "block" on enough of your money to pay for a fill up of just about anything out there, a Cadillac, a motor home, or whatever, then they "refund" the remainder. So? use American Express Gas card interest rates border on criminal anyway... The problem is that it can take a week or more for that refund to show up in your account. SFW ? If I have to go inside, I have to interact with someone that speaks little English, stinks, and is pre occupied writing a letter justifying the purchase of their new spouse and accompanying dowry. I'll take the pay at the pump ... Here you are putting $5.00 at a time for a fill up on your bike, 4 or 5 times a day and $40 or $50 or more disappears from your account each time. 5 smackers? Last time I filled it was damn near 10 ! JEEZ. All of a sudden your card is getting declined even though you "know" you have plenty in your account. See above. AMEX - no set spending limit. The solution is simple, pay inside, that way what you buy is what you pay for. Even when I was using gas cards, I never got declined... do you run a big rig or something ? ;-) Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 22:06:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7926T606826 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.20.1a719d27 (4000) for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:06:12 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <20.1a719d27.28a34a18@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:06:16 EDT Subject: Re: New-rider syndrome To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/8/2001 10:07:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LakeSueE@XXXXXX writes: > (perhaps the gents might experience this too) I have been getting hip cramps I for one cannot ride a Honda Magna without cramping up, and I ride a lot. Magnas just hate me. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 22:12:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f792Ce606904 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cox.rr.com ([66.61.39.23]) by mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:12:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3B71F232.75D832E1@cox.rr.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 22:15:14 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pay at pump References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Exxon/Mobil Speed Pass. Don't even need to fish through your wallet. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > The short version... Do not use pay at the pump if you are traveling on a > bike. > Why? It seems that when you use pay at the pump the fuel company confirms > that you have enough available by putting a "block" on enough of your money > to pay for a fill up of just about anything out there, a Cadillac, a motor > home, or whatever, then they "refund" the remainder. The problem is that it > can take a week or more for that refund to show up in your account. Here you > are putting $5.00 at a time for a fill up on your bike, 4 or 5 times a day > and $40 or $50 or more disappears from your account each time. All of a > sudden your card is getting declined even though you "know" you have plenty > in your account. The solution is simple, pay inside, that way what you buy is > what you pay for. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 22:16:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f792GY606985 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.39.18db980d (4000) for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:16:24 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <39.18db980d.28a34c77@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:16:23 EDT Subject: Re: gas, or lack thereof - my question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/8/2001 3:33:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, singley@XXXXXX writes: > urning to reserve seemed to do no real good once I > realized what was going on, Check the fuel filter screel in the petcock, it may be plugged. While you are at it check to see if fuel flows freely on main and reserve by turning first to one them the other. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 8 22:24:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f792Ox607074 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.76.e0ebffb (4000) for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:24:48 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <76.e0ebffb.28a34e6f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:24:47 EDT Subject: Re: Pay at pump To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/8/2001 10:22:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lmeyer@XXXXXX writes: > Exxon/Mobil Speed Pass. Just what I need, more crap in my pocket. As it is people think I am having too much fun every time I try to find my keys. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 01:09:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail12.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7959N609429 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 01:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 97212 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2001 05:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO adesktop.annapurna.com) ([66.92.145.59]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 9 Aug 2001 05:09:21 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010809005132.02fbca30@mail.nova.org> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 01:15:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Pay at pump In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:37 PM 8/8/2001 -0500, Cliff Zigmond wrote: >Yeah, but I hate going inside the gas station. I have never had the >problem you describe, but couldn't you also use a credit card as opposed >to a debit card? Ah, that explains it! I greatly enjoy all the protection and convenience I get when using other peoples' money! Credit card rules are so clearly defined. I mean, if someone gets ahold of your debit card and drains the account, you're out that money. With a credit card, you're out either zero or $50, depending on the timeliness with which you report the loss of the card. (Disclaimer: IANAL) Same deal for the Speedpass -- this invention is currently numero uno in the Big List of Things I Don't Get: - It doesn't work at all stations. - It's Yet Another Thing you have to carry around, like membership cards. Ick. - It clutters up an already cluttered keyring; mine's a weapon now, much worse than my wallet! - It's unclear how liable you are if someone runs up charges with your Speedpass. (...well, I'm sure it's buried in the contract fine print somewhere, but I don't want to be the test case.) All that, because it's supposedly faster than swiping my VISA card? Well, I'll race you, but I don't think you'll beat me by more than 4 seconds at a self-service pump, twice a week. That's about 7 minutes a year, minus the time required to apply for and manage the Speedpass. And I'll win every time at the Sunoco station or the Shell station or... ;-) /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 04:50:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10506.mail.yahoo.com (web10506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f798oE613816 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 04:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010809085013.62393.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.94.49.110] by web10506.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 01:50:13 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 01:50:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Pay at pump To: Larry Meyer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3B71F232.75D832E1@cox.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll second that. It sits in the little change pocket in the sleeve of my jacket. Just wave my arm at the pump and go. Todd W. --- Larry Meyer wrote: > Exxon/Mobil Speed Pass. Don't even need to fish > through your wallet. > > Larry Meyer > Annandale, VA > 1997 Bandit 1200 > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > The short version... Do not use pay at the pump if > you are traveling on a > > bike. > > Why? It seems that when you use pay at the pump > the fuel company confirms > > that you have enough available by putting a > "block" on enough of your money > > to pay for a fill up of just about anything out > there, a Cadillac, a motor > > home, or whatever, then they "refund" the > remainder. The problem is that it > > can take a week or more for that refund to show up > in your account. Here you > > are putting $5.00 at a time for a fill up on your > bike, 4 or 5 times a day > > and $40 or $50 or more disappears from your > account each time. All of a > > sudden your card is getting declined even though > you "know" you have plenty > > in your account. The solution is simple, pay > inside, that way what you buy is > > what you pay for. > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 06:43:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f79AhK615474 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 06:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010809104316.62526.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.58.35] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 03:43:16 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 03:43:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: email To: Jay Block , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jay Block wrote: > Hi folks, > > First, my sympathy (and empathy) to Gimer. I've suffered > enough slings and > arrows as a (1) biker, (2) lawyer and (3) biker lawyer, > that it is part of > the package. Actually I don't know which part of me they > find the most shocking. Oh well... jay, NO! i deserve no sympathy! my turbulent relationship with dc-cycles' finest began long before i became admitted to the bar.... thanks for the concern though....and welcome to the list -- tg p.s. i'll look over your website to get an idea of your practice areas. perhaps we can provide some referrals. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 09:09:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79D99617596 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-113-222.s476.tnt8.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.113.222] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15UpYi-0006qy-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 09:09:08 -0400 Message-ID: <002601c120d4$7e0077c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <76.e0ebffb.28a34e6f@aol.com> Subject: Re: Pay at pump Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:09:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I have several oil company credit gas with obscenely high credit limits. Never had a problem. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: > In a message dated 8/8/2001 10:22:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > lmeyer@XXXXXX writes: > > > Exxon/Mobil Speed Pass. > > Just what I need, more crap in my pocket. As it is people think I am having > too much fun every time I try to find my keys. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 09:39:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws2-7.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-82.outblaze.com [205.158.62.82]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f79Ddh618095 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3448 invoked by uid 1001); 9 Aug 2001 13:32:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20010809133257.3447.qmail@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from ws2-7.us4.outblaze.com for [128.183.71.24] via web-mailer on Thu, 09 Aug 2001 21:32:56 +0800 From: "Thad Groghan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 21:32:56 +0800 Subject: 2002 Yamaha Road Star Warrior http://www.plazacycle.com/Sales/2002_road_star_warrior_informati.htm http://www.sanjoseyamaha.com/rswarrior.htm The 2002 Yamaha Road Star Warrior, all new style and features. $12000msrp in stores Nov 2001 approx. SWEET -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 09:44:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13808.mail.yahoo.com (web13808.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f79DiE618183 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010809134413.25943.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13808.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 06:44:13 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 06:44:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Pay at pump To: Dave Yates , PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001801c12076$3aaf95e0$1a84c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dave Yates wrote: > SFW ? If I have to go inside, I have to interact > with someone that > speaks little English, stinks, and is pre occupied > writing a letter > justifying the purchase of their new spouse and > accompanying dowry. > I'll take the pay at the pump ... > > Am I the only one who sees this as a blatantly racist and bigoted statement? Get a life Dave. Just because your family came to this country years ago, that doesn't mean that you have to disparage new immigrants here trying to make a life for themselves. There are certain ethnic groups that tend to predominate in service stations/convenience stories. Those ethnic groups are also well reprsented on this list. Kudos to you, Dave, for just instulting them all. Mark ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 09:59:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79Dxj618470 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:59:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ89+GhsdY2Ki6mi8GZauLLU18VmqrTn1FkL0M5m5IPopn3TP7nE6W0lQOqd0g2NPI= Received: from 24-168-208-112.sp.cox.rr.com ([24.168.208.112] helo=psuhell.mad.scientist.com) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15UqLg-0002V4-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 09:59:44 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010809095732.00bb88f0@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: ltrainpsu@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 10:00:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Subject: URGENT::selling race boots::URGENT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Okay, I'm selling a pair of Size 8 (42 euro) SIDI race vertebra boots, in black/grey. They were shipped to me in the wrong size/color. I need to sell them TODAY, or at least, have someone tell me " I will buy them from you when you get back from your trip" gaurenteed. I'm selling them for $300. They are BRAND NEW, never even been worn. They come with everything. You cannot get them for less than $350 anywhere in the states. If you are interested, please call me on my cellphone @ 703-627-9937 before/at noon today. I'm VERY sorry for spamming the list like this, but I gotta sell 'em before I head to deal's gap today =( Thanks! Larry T. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 10:00:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79E03618543 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w046 ([168.144.108.46]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:00:41 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 128.221.131.120 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: Pay at pump Sender: "sdave@XXXXXX" From: "sdave@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:58:52 -0400 To: "markkitchell@XXXXXX" , "sdave@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: sdave@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2001 14:00:41.0575 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD044770:01C120DB] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f79E04618551 Am I the only one who sees this as a blatantly racist and bigoted statement? Good Question Mark... Get a life Dave. Just because your family came to this country years ago, that doesn't mean that you have to disparage new immigrants here trying to make a life for themselves. More power to them to come here, and make a life for themselves, as all of us or our ancestors once did. But poor personal hygiene, and treating women like sub human property is conduct that should offend everyone. If that makes me a bigot, fine, I'll accept that. There are certain ethnic groups that tend to predominate in service stations/convenience stories. Those ethnic groups are also well reprsented on this list. Kudos to you, Dave, for just instulting them all. No, it is certain conduct that I find offensive, and make no apologies for insulting. Where the person comes from or what race they are is irrelevant to me. If that offends you Mark, so state, but don't pretend to be a spokesman for those who may be offended. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 10:08:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11006.mail.yahoo.com (web11006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.56]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f79E85618653 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010809140804.69424.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11006.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 07:08:04 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 07:08:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: 2002 Yamaha Road Star Warrior To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 1670cc engine 4.0 gallons gas tank ???? Better get that speed pass in hand. How many mile do you think it would get on a tank. 150? Trey > > > > > --- Thad Groghan wrote: > > > http://www.plazacycle.com/Sales/2002_road_star_warrior_informati.htm > > > > http://www.sanjoseyamaha.com/rswarrior.htm > > The 2002 Yamaha Road Star Warrior, all new style > and > > features. $12000msrp in stores Nov 2001 approx. > > > > SWEET > > -- > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 10:30:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79EUj619089 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GHT005E91M4YP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:30:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GHT007011LRHA@XXXXXX>; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 14:30:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GHT0066Q1LKCZ@XXXXXX>; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 14:29:44 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 10:29:37 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Pay at pump To: Rob Winters Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B729E51.101C759C@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010809005132.02fbca30@mail.nova.org> Rob Winters wrote: > > Same deal for the Speedpass -- this invention is currently numero uno in > the Big List of Things I Don't Get: > > - It doesn't work at all stations. > - It's Yet Another Thing you have to carry around, like membership cards. > Ick. > - It clutters up an already cluttered keyring; mine's a weapon now, much > worse than my wallet! > - It's unclear how liable you are if someone runs up charges with your > Speedpass. > (...well, I'm sure it's buried in the contract fine print somewhere, > but I don't want to be the test case.) > > All that, because it's supposedly faster than swiping my VISA card? And to top it off, I don't think you can use it more than once or twice per day. That sort of becomes an obstacle on long distance rides. I don't understand why it's so popular, either. Tracy has one, carries it around all the time on her keychain, and very seldom uses an Exxon/Mobil station (there are cheaper ones nearby). Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 10:37:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79EbD619200 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f79Eb6q03332 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:37:06 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010809103313.026020a0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 10:37:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: 2002 Yamaha Road Star Warrior In-Reply-To: <20010809133257.3447.qmail@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:32 AM 8/9/01, you wrote: >http://www.sanjoseyamaha.com/rswarrior.htm >The 2002 Yamaha Road Star Warrior, all new style and features. $12000msrp >in stores Nov 2001 approx. > >SWEET 1670cc. They use words like 'hot rod' and impressive engine descriptors, yet they don't list any torque or hp numbers. Why is it that inline 4 600s put out 90+hp, and 1600cc monsters generate in the 60 neighborhood? This isn't a questions, but an observation. And if the sportbike world is nuts for pushing the top speed and HP limitations, then the cruiser world is going nuts with these freaking huge engines. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Everything under the sun is in tune, and the sun is eclipsed by the moon. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 10:50:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79Eo1619452 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-116-86.s86.tnt10.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.116.86] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15Ur8J-0000te-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 10:50:00 -0400 Message-ID: <005d01c120e2$957bc9a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010809005132.02fbca30@mail.nova.org> <3B729E51.101C759C@home.com> Subject: Re: Pay at pump Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:50:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sometimes your cards will be blocked if they see sudden and unusual spending habits, like a half-dozen mail order places hit in one day, or a bunch of hotel rooms being charged, patterns that are unusual for you which may indicate fraudulent use. Once again, I've never had a problem on any of my accounts. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Horstman > > And to top it off, I don't think you can use it more than once > or twice per day. That sort of becomes an obstacle on long distance > rides. > > I don't understand why it's so popular, either. Tracy has one, > carries it around all the time on her keychain, and very seldom > uses an Exxon/Mobil station (there are cheaper ones nearby). > > Horkster > > -- > Mandatory second line (CM tm) > > Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 11:02:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rasmus.futurequest.net (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [63.151.112.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f79F2T619656 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26718 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2001 15:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dcpiii1000) (64.3.32.57) by motorcyclegearreview.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2001 15:02:49 -0000 Message-ID: <002001c120e4$e9ac9ac0$39200340@dcpiii1000> From: "Dave Cross" To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010809005132.02fbca30@mail.nova.org> <3B729E51.101C759C@home.com> Subject: Speed Pass Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:06:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 > > All that, because it's supposedly faster than swiping my VISA card? > > And to top it off, I don't think you can use it more than once > or twice per day. That sort of becomes an obstacle on long distance > rides. > > I don't understand why it's so popular, either. Tracy has one, > carries it around all the time on her keychain, and very seldom > uses an Exxon/Mobil station (there are cheaper ones nearby). I like my Speed Pass because a lot of the time I wear riding pants over my jeans or slacks and my wallet with credit card is in the jeans and its a huge pain to take off or loosen the pants to get to the wallet. With the Speed Pass on my key chain I just pull it out of the ignition, place it against the speed pass sensor, fuel up and go. Its can also be a pain to get a credit card out of a wallet with thick gloves, so with the speed pass I dont have to take them off. Because I commute daily it makes it a little easier, but of course it helps to have Mobil stations on the route. Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 11:03:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79F36619676 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQlbiq07070 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:03:06 GMT Received: from [153.39.136.61] by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ws98974.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.136.61]) id QQlbip16326 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:59:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010809103313.026020a0@mail.troutman.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010809103313.026020a0@mail.troutman.org> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:59:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: 2002 Yamaha Road Star Warrior Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >1670cc. They use words like 'hot rod' and impressive engine >descriptors, yet they don't list any torque or hp numbers. Why is >it that inline 4 600s put out 90+hp, and 1600cc monsters generate in >the 60 neighborhood? This isn't a questions, but an observation. It sure as hell was a question! There's a question mark at the end. See?! C'mon Troutman, you're a smart kid; I expect better than this from you! Well, yes, the 600's make 90+ (more like 100+ nowadays), and the big cruisers make 60-ish. But do those 600's make 70-100 ft. lbs of torque? Not even close! (Maybe 45ft-lbs. on a good day....) Of course, the new Harley power-plant is making 100+ HP and 70 ft-lbs.....What's this world coming too?!?!? -- Sincerely, Sean Jordan Macintosh Systems Analyst (703)-886-7661 UUNET Technologies A WORLDCOM Company From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 11:15:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79FF2619933 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQlbir16942 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:15:01 GMT Received: from [153.39.136.61] by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ws98974.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.136.61]) id QQlbiq09788 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:14:48 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010809134413.25943.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010809134413.25943.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:14:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: RE: Pay at pump Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Dave Yates wrote: >> SFW ? If I have to go inside, I have to interact >> with someone that >> speaks little English, stinks, and is pre occupied >> writing a letter >> justifying the purchase of their new spouse and >> accompanying dowry. > > I'll take the pay at the pump ... And then Mark said: >Am I the only one who sees this as a blatantly racist >and bigoted statement? Probably not. > Get a life Dave. That's it. Fight (so-called) intolerance with even more intolerance. Am I the only person that is highly amused by open-minded individuals who berate and insult "intolerant" people? I love America! >Just because your family came to this country years ago, You don't know that. At least, I'm pretty sure you don't know that. If you're so familiar with Mr. Yates family history, then you'd know him well enough to be used to his racism and bigotry, right? >that >doesn't mean that you have to disparage new immigrants here trying >to make a life for themselves. Yes it does. They need to become acclimated to American culture. What better way than to upbriad and belittle them? We do it to each other, why not to them? >There are certain ethnic groups Who said anything about ethnic groups!?? What a bold and unsupported assumption! I have had the pleasure of knowing many people, born and raised in the US, that spoke very little English and stank. Maybe Dave has problems with rank, illiterate Americans. And if disliking people who don't speak English and stink makes me a bigot, than so be it. I'm sorry that Mr. Yates and myself prefer to associate with pleasant smelling English-speakers. (Although I really don't mind if they don't speak English. Just as long as they don't smell.) And obviously you feel the same way, or otherwise you wouldn't consider being smelly or not being able to speak English a Bad Thing. Who said being smelly is wrong? Or not wanting to associate with people who don't speak English? Dave just expressed a preference. There is nothing wrong with not wanting to associate with people who exhibit these qualities, immigrants or not. >that tend to >predominate in service stations/convenience (sic) stories. >Those ethnic groups are also well reprsented on this >list. Kudos to you, Dave, for just instulting them >all. Waitaminute. Which "certain ethnic groups" tend to "predominate in service stations/convenience stories."? Isn't that a fine stereotype? Aren't stereotypes bad? Aren't stereotypes one of the first weapons employed by bigots and racists in their attempts to demean other peoples? Go ahead and tell me you're not bigoted in some way, or that you don't make discriminations between different groups of people... You know what they say about the guy who gets to throw the first stone.....are you that guy? -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 11:25:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79FPI620059 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f79FOoq03515 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:24:50 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010809112105.02605a80@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 11:24:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: Pay at pump In-Reply-To: References: <20010809134413.25943.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <20010809134413.25943.qmail@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:14 AM 8/9/01, Sean Jordan wrote: >C'mon Troutman, you're a smart kid; I expect better than this from your >smelly ass! I have had the displeasure of knowing many people, born and >raised in the US, that spoke English and stank. Americans dislike people >who don't speak English and stink. I prefer the asses of English-speakers. Grandpa Jordan - I think my mail server garbled some of your messages. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 11:37:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1a.TRW.COM (mailhub1a.TRW.COM [129.193.4.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79FbR620315 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from navieg2.trw.com by mailhub1a.TRW.COM for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:06:36 -0700 Received: from resva-gs1.resva.trw.com ([158.114.112.210]) by navieg2 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 76) with SMTP id M2001080908094812486 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 08:09:48 -0700 Received: from SITG-GW-Message_Server by resva-gs1.resva.trw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 11:06:30 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 11:00:14 -0400 From: "Randy Moran" To: Subject: Re: Pay at pump Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f79Fbb620316 Where do you guys get this stuff? I use a Speedpass all the time and I've used multiple times in one day with no problem whatsoever. I put the thing on my bike keyring. I can leave my gloves on and don't even have to get off the bike, let alone dig around in my pants or my "'Stich" ( I don't have a "'stich", actually, I just like saying that) for a wallet or a credit card. It works at Mobils and some Exxons, and if it doesn't work then I hafta get off and do it the old way. No biggy, I'm guessing. I don't know since I've never had it not work. It is perfect for people who ride, end of story. You Luddites remind me of my dad. "Why should I use a dadgum remote control when I kin just git up myself an' change tha channel?!! goldaern newfangled invintions...mumble..mumble..grouse...gripe..." Get with it, geezers. Randy From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 11:50:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79Fow620564 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GHT000445AQRB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:49:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GHT00A015AIPH@XXXXXX>; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 15:49:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0GHT009II5AE6D@XXXXXX>; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 15:49:26 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 11:49:18 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Pay at pump To: Randy Moran Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B72B0FE.9A6A8ED7@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Randy Moran wrote: > > Where do you guys get this stuff? I use a Speedpass all the > time and I've used multiple times in one day with no problem > whatsoever. I got my info from the LD list. They claim it sucks eggs on an endurance ride. I hate being tied down to one brand of gas station. Now if they all used it, and you could update your profile to allow for multiple, multi-state purchases in a day, it'd be slicker'n whale snot. >You Luddites remind me of my dad. Hey, I'm proud to be a Luddite, but my problems with Speedpass have nothing to do with it being "new". It is all to do with it being "not good enough". Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 11:51:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79FpR620575 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-43.patriot.net [209.249.181.43]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f79FpHN29415; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:51:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3B72B006.290F33D3@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 11:45:10 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: Dave Yates , PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pay at pump References: <20010809134413.25943.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > Dave Yates wrote: > > SFW ? If I have to go inside, I have to interact > > with someone that > > speaks little English, stinks, and is pre occupied > > writing a letter > > justifying the purchase of their new spouse and > > accompanying dowry. > > I'll take the pay at the pump ... > > > > > > Am I the only one who sees this as a blatantly racist > and bigoted statement? Get a life Dave. Just because > your family came to this country years ago, that > doesn't mean that you have to disparage new immigrants > here trying to make a life for themselves. > Heh, good one, Mark. That post had me groaning and hiting the delete key too. Actually, I pay fer gas with cash and don't mind walking into the station. Like how much English does one have to know to say "seex ninty-five". And most of the newly landed in `Murica register attendents seem very polite, unlike irascable rednecks with an attitude problem. In my usual riding grounds, North Cakalaki, the person at the register is often Babe-o-licious! And as fer smelling funny, I'll bet after 120 miles or so on the road in leathers on a 90 deg day my pit odor could stun a billy goat. Bill - phewtinky From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 11:52:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f79Fqf620595 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-163-103-196.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.163.103.196) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2001 15:52:38 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Pay at pump Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:50:45 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3B729E51.101C759C@home.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal I've never had any problems using my Speedpass multiple times in a day. I've even filled the Jeep and the bike twice. As far as I am concerned, Speedpass is THE pastest way to get gas. Too bad it's not more widespread. I have mine linked to an AMX card, so I don't worry about spending limits, either. I've never had any problems with pay at the pump. I've never had any erroneous/inflated charges either. Where are you getting your info? LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 12:10:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rubidium.acs.org (rubidium.acs.org [216.143.112.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79GAJ620938 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash24.acs.org (wash24.acs.org [134.243.200.4]) by rubidium.acs.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f79G9GM02036 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash58.acs.org (wash58 [172.26.253.26]) by wash24.acs.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f79GAIG04576 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by WASH58 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:05:30 -0400 Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE96046FC190@WASH58> From: Jason Picton To: "'dc-cycles list'" Subject: RE: Pay at pump Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:05:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Most gas stations (like Exxon) have a block on their systems that only allow you to use the same credit card twice in a limited period of time. I found this out the hard way on Saturday. A pump was broken (but not marked), it would only pump about $.07 worth of gas at time. After doing this twice, I went inside told the attendant, who told me to move to another pump. When I put in my card it was denied, BIG PROBLEM as I was traveling and needed it later. I pushed my bike out of the way, spent 15 minutes with them to find out it wasn't Visa/Chase, but the gas station itself. Gas stations have the ability to lockout your credit card from being used over and over again to protect themselves from liability of having stolen cards being used over and over again at the same pump (ala Winona Ryder in Reality Bites). When I walked back into the station, it took the attendant 10 minutes to override the block to allow it to work - 5 minutes to talk to her manager 5 minutes to find the button on the system to over. She had to get authorization and was new to the station. I was pissed about the whole deal. I spent 30 minutes in a gas station for 3 bucks of gas and it wasn't anyone's fault but the gas station itself. However, now I know about it. If I had just paid with another credit card or with cash, I could have gone about my business and there wouldn't have been any problems. I was unaware that the Speed Pass locked more $$ that what was actually used on your credit/debit card. However, I can see it being done to make sure they get paid. This doesn't thrill me and I will probably never get one now, but at least know I know....... Jason I. Picton, Systems Administrator MCSE (NT 4.0 & 2000), MCP+I, MCP, American Chemical Society (www.acs.org) 1155 16th Street NW - Washington DC 20036 Phone: 202-452-2117 Fax: 202-872-4519 Email: j_picton@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 10:50 AM To: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Pay at pump Sometimes your cards will be blocked if they see sudden and unusual spending habits, like a half-dozen mail order places hit in one day, or a bunch of hotel rooms being charged, patterns that are unusual for you which may indicate fraudulent use. Once again, I've never had a problem on any of my accounts. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Horstman > > And to top it off, I don't think you can use it more than once > or twice per day. That sort of becomes an obstacle on long distance > rides. > > I don't understand why it's so popular, either. Tracy has one, > carries it around all the time on her keychain, and very seldom > uses an Exxon/Mobil station (there are cheaper ones nearby). > > Horkster > > -- > Mandatory second line (CM tm) > > Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 12:15:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79GF4621132 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA31957 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:12:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:12:10 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pay at pump In-Reply-To: <3B72B0FE.9A6A8ED7@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Dale Horstman wrote: > > Hey, I'm proud to be a Luddite, but my problems with > Speedpass have nothing to do with it being "new". It is > all to do with it being "not good enough". > If you're such a Luddite what's that new fangled shaft drive doing on your scooter? Real Luddite's prefer chains! Hugh From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 12:31:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com ([168.144.1.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79GVf621495 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w039 ([168.144.108.39]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:32:57 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 128.221.131.121 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: Pay at pump Sender: "sdave@XXXXXX" From: "sdave@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:31:41 -0400 To: "sean.jordan@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: sdave@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2001 16:32:57.0445 (UTC) FILETIME=[F26B6950:01C120F0] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f79GVh621496 Sean jumped in with both feet... Probably not. .. That's it. Fight (so-called) intolerance with even more intolerance. Am I the only person that is highly amused by open-minded individuals who berate and insult "intolerant" people? I love America! ... I miss Dick E. Anker. ;-) Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 12:36:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13803.mail.yahoo.com (web13803.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f79GaA621595 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010809163609.71518.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13803.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 09:36:09 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:36:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Pay at pump To: Sean Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To respond to Sean's drivel: > > > Get a life Dave. > > That's it. Fight (so-called) intolerance with even > more intolerance. > Am I the only person that is highly amused by > open-minded individuals > who berate and insult "intolerant" people? I love > America! > What Dave said made me angry. I responded with an angry comment. That has nothing to do with his race, nationality, etc. Just because you are open-minded, you can't be pissed? > >Just because your family came to this country years > ago, > > You don't know that. At least, I'm pretty sure you > don't know that. > If you're so familiar with Mr. Yates family history, > then you'd know > him well enough to be used to his racism and > bigotry, right? > Yates has been on this list for years. He is not a new immigrant to the US. > >that > >doesn't mean that you have to disparage new > immigrants here trying > >to make a life for themselves. > > Yes it does. They need to become acclimated to > American culture. What > better way than to upbriad and belittle them? We do > it to each other, > why not to them? My point is that you don't have to. We all make our choices in how to treat other people. Obviously, you have made yours. Ever heard of Karma? cut out lots of blah blahs , immigrants or not. > > Waitaminute. Which "certain ethnic groups" tend to > "predominate in > service stations/convenience stories."? Isn't that a > fine stereotype? > Aren't stereotypes bad? Aren't stereotypes one of > the first weapons > employed by bigots and racists in their attempts to > demean other > peoples? Dave tried to be clever and not actually name the ethnic group he was talking about. That would be too obvious, and beyond the line of what most people consider acceptable. I was merely pointing out that his comments, in my opinion bigoted, were duly noticed. > > Go ahead and tell me you're not bigoted in some way, > or that you > don't make discriminations between different groups > of people... Of course I am bigoted. We all are. Everyone, everywhere. And by the nature of my birth, parents, education, etc, I also participate in discrimination all the time. The difference between me and Mr. Yates is that I try to take active measures to overcome my ingrained bigotry, while he proudly shares his with the online world. Mark ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 12:38:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79GcU621606 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Whetu@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id e.92.18af84f5 (16087); Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web42.aolmail.aol.com (web42.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.3]) by air-id10.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-0809123708; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:37:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:37:08 EDT From: Whetu@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pay at pump/shaft drive To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <92.18af84f5.28a41634@aol.com> On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Dale Horstman wrote: > > Hey, I'm proud to be a Luddite, but my problems with > Speedpass have nothing to do with it being "new". It is > all to do with it being "not good enough". >>[Hugh wrote:} >> If you're such a Luddite what's that new fangled >>shaft drive doing on your scooter? Real Luddite's >>prefer chains! Hey, they've been making shaft drives since 1895, at least for bicycles. Not exactly new fangled. -Euan whetu@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 13:02:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp010.mail.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.30]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f79H2u622046 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-163-103-196.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.163.103.196) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2001 17:02:55 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Calling all Wingers Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:00:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal I have two possible commissions for custom tank bags on Wings. I need to be able to fit to a bike locally, so I'm looking for a 1500 and 1800 that I can visit a few times. Anybody out there like to volunteer? Who knows, you might like what I'm working on. Thanks, LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 13:32:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lmimailg.lmi.org ([198.3.128.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79HWU622691 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lmimailg.lmi.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:30:33 -0400 Message-ID: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DD6E7711@lmimaila.lmi.org> From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Speedpass Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:32:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C120F9.40AAB780" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C120F9.40AAB780 Content-Type: text/plain I must join the ranks of the speedpass.. I've been using it for about 6 months and absolutely love it.. Its incredibly small and doesn't take up any more room than a small key would.. I do worry about it getting stolen.. As a side note, I was at my local mobil this morning and noticed it wouldn't work.. Seems Mobil has its share of electronic glitches.. I said "Screw it" and whipped out the mobil credit card instead... No big loss... Brian ------_=_NextPart_001_01C120F9.40AAB780 Content-Type: text/html Message
I must join the ranks of the speedpass.. I've been using it for about 6 months and absolutely love it.. Its incredibly small and doesn't take up any more room than a small key would.. I do worry about it getting stolen..  As a side note, I was at my local mobil this morning and noticed it wouldn't work.. Seems Mobil has its share of electronic glitches.. I said "Screw it" and whipped out the mobil credit card instead...  No big loss...
 
Brian
------_=_NextPart_001_01C120F9.40AAB780-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 13:45:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11004.mail.yahoo.com (web11004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.54]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f79HjP622987 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010809174520.54763.qmail@web11004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11004.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 10:45:20 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:45:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Go-Ped (kinda OT) To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was thinking about getting a Go-Ped http://www.goped.com Anyone know what the Virginia laws are about these things? Trey __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 13:58:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79HwG623169 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f79HwAq04073 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:58:10 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010809135650.028a3af0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 13:58:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Go-Ped (kinda OT) In-Reply-To: <20010809174520.54763.qmail@web11004.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:45 PM 8/9/01, Trey Herb wrote: >Anyone know what the Virginia laws are about these >things? (go-peds) I talked with a Fairfax County officer. Illegal on public streets. Fine for private property. Doesn't mean you can't get away with it - and may be legal elsewhere. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 14:05:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79I5G623332 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GHT005HDBKB6R@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:04:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GHT00301BK6HS@XXXXXX>; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 18:04:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GHT00LP6BJTXT@XXXXXX>; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 18:04:41 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 14:04:34 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Pay at pump To: hcaldwell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B72D0B2.8B1B2351@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: hcaldwell wrote: > If you're such a Luddite what's that new fangled > shaft drive doing on your scooter? New-fangled? Didn't the world's first motorcycles have shaft drive? > Real Luddite's prefer chains! Naw, we like old stuff. I'd end up having a brand spanky new chain & sprockets on my bike every 6 months. That's bad, way bad. Expensive as all heck, too. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 14:27:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp5vepub.verizon.net (smtp5vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.26]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79IRc623718 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([141.156.137.113]) by smtp5vepub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id NAA42118149 Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:27:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f79IPIp07306 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:25:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:25:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Pay at pump In-Reply-To: <3B72D0B2.8B1B2351@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Actually, I believe the very first MCs used things like leather belts for their final drive. -ph On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Dale Horstman wrote: > > New-fangled? Didn't the world's first motorcycles have > shaft drive? From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 15:35:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay02.equinox.net ([204.68.168.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f79JZ6624853 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16680 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2001 19:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.136.67.72?) (216.168.226.195) by relay02.equinox.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2001 19:34:16 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: johnw@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010809174520.54763.qmail@web11004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010809174520.54763.qmail@web11004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:33:45 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: John West Subject: Re:Go-Ped (kinda OT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:45 AM -0700 8/9/01, Trey Herb wrote: >I was thinking about getting a Go-Ped >http://www.goped.com > >Anyone know what the Virginia laws are about these >things? How about this: http://www.wheelman.com.au/ -john From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 16:12:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79KCr625474 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.17.19c9bb0e (4467) for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:12:48 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <17.19c9bb0e.28a448c0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:12:48 EDT Subject: Re: Pay at pump To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/9/2001 12:23:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hcaldwell@XXXXXX writes: > Real Luddite's prefer > chains! Yea... Twixt the 4 horses and the wagon. E-mailing Luddites??? From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 16:25:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (azog.public.hq.nasa.gov [198.116.65.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79KPa625643 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woc-rwintersw2k.annapurna.com ([131.182.119.81]) by azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00532 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010809161122.02afb008@mail.nova.org> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 16:26:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re:Go-Ped (kinda OT) In-Reply-To: References: <20010809174520.54763.qmail@web11004.mail.yahoo.com> <20010809174520.54763.qmail@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed As a general rule (if there is such a thing), a two-wheeled vehicle with a displacement 50cc or under designed to go no faster than 30mph gets away with being called a moped, in which case you might not need a motorcycle driver's license, vehicle licenses, helmet, insurance, etc. I don't know why the GoPeds couldn't be ridden in the streets. They're mopeds; the street's the only place they should be, same as bicycles. Those "WheelMan" guys sorta blew it by using a 52cc engine instead of a 49cc. That's a *motorcycle*, man! :-) I found a Virginia law listing here: More law info at the same site: /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 16:25:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79KPg625653 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.f8.dd0365d (4467) for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:25:40 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:25:39 EDT Subject: Re: And if your pants fell down.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/9/2001 2:12:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the.horkster@XXXXXX writes: > Didn't the world's first motorcycles have > shaft drive? Nah... Leather belts, with an adjustable pulley that allowed it to serve as a clutch. By the way Motorcycles came _BEFORE_ cars! Gottlieb Daimlers (The guy who generally gets credit for inventing the car.) Einspur in 1855 was a test bed for his internal combustion engine. Or if you include steam, according to one not so dependable source I have it is 1868. Anyhow WE CAME FIRST! From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 16:32:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79KWY625803 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GHT00HP2IDPSZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 20:32:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GHT00D01IDF84@XXXXXX>; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 20:32:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0GHT00C76IDCR9@XXXXXX>; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 20:32:00 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 16:31:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Pay at pump To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B72F338.D3C5B235@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <17.19c9bb0e.28a448c0@aol.com> PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > E-mailing Luddites??? Well, phones scare me. And I just started using Instant Messenger this week, so I'm still pretty suspicious of that. And since y'all can't here me with my non-electric bullhorn, my options are sort of limited to email. :) Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 17:30:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from msnawa58.usi.net (msnawa58.usi.net [209.135.43.202]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f79LUA626739 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 17:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by msnaex05.usi.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 17:28:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Diep, Tuan (Washington)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: used bike Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 17:28:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" anyone know of a used 600cc sportbike for under $3000? i haven't checked the post yet. obviously has to be in good condition but i can accept cosmetic damage. thanks tuan From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 18:02:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2 (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f79M2Q627199 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p37.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.37]) by pop2 (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09562; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:02:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Diep, Tuan \(Washington\)'" , Subject: RE: used bike Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:06:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c1211f$a1b9dda0$2584c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal www.traderonline.com I didn't search, but there's usually an abundance of bikes in the cycle trader... FZR 600 or F2 maybe ? Anyway, HTH Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ -----Original Message----- From: Diep, Tuan (Washington) [mailto:Tuan.Diep@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 5:28 PM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: used bike anyone know of a used 600cc sportbike for under $3000? i haven't checked the post yet. obviously has to be in good condition but i can accept cosmetic damage. thanks tuan From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 21:57:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f150.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7A1vg601091 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 21:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:57:36 -0700 Received: from 64.157.61.132 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 01:57:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.157.61.132] From: "Aaron Ward" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Pay at pump Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 21:57:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2001 01:57:36.0674 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4038020:01C1213F] >From what I understand, those speedpass radio frequency transponders are the way to go. Not because it's a way to get gas, but because it's a different form of the credit card. Soon you will be able to use them at drive through fast food places, and I'm sure other places will follow. The speedpass doesn't get scratched off or demagnetized like a credit card. Card readers will eventually be able to read legacy credit cards, smart chip credit cards, and transponders (like the speed pass) all in the same machine. Mobil/Exxon are just showing the world that people like it. It's about to hit the big time and show up everywhere, at all vendors. Vendors like it because they have the option to save transaction fees by accumulate charges for a user until a set value has been reached, say $25, and then charge one transaction fee. That way, the vendor can avoid the credit card processing fee for each transaction (this is for places like mcdonalds where you buy $5 each time, making many transactions for small amounts), and you don't have a laundry list of piddly little charges on your credit card statement. Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 9 22:23:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7A2Ns601513 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 22:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-64.157.55.177.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [64.157.55.177]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA14575; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 22:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B73466E.4311DEE9@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 22:26:54 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" CC: "Diep, Tuan (Washington)" Subject: Re: used bike References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tuan, For ~$3K or less you're probably looking at a used Yamaha FZR600 or maybe a Honda CBR600F2. Definitely not a Suzuki GSXR600 (at least not a decent one). Dunno about an older Kwak ZX-6/600 Ninja. In addition to The Post, try looking at: http://www.cycletrader.com http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/display.exe?partner=Excite&path=Auto~Motorcycle~Search http://pages.ebay.com/ebaymotors/browse/Motorcycles.html FWIW, I picked up my '93 FZR600 "track bike with lights" on eBay for ~$3K (not including shipping costs from Colorado to here). Cosmetically fine. Good suspension upgrades (Race Tech springs and emulators in the forks, Fox Shox twin clicker rear shock). As well as other "stuff" such as a full race exhaust (D&D), stage one jetting, front fork brace (just to name a few). So if you're willing to hunt around, you can definitely find some pretty good bargains out there for "old" 600cc sportbikes. Enjoy the hunt! Chuck "Diep, Tuan (Washington)" wrote: > > anyone know of a used 600cc sportbike for under $3000? i haven't checked > the post yet. > obviously has to be in good condition but i can accept cosmetic damage. > thanks > tuan -- "The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 08:31:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13806.mail.yahoo.com (web13806.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7ACVg611783 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 08:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010810123137.11754.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13806.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 05:31:37 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 05:31:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Bike Night is this SUNDAY To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Remember, BikeNight is this Sunday, 5PM-9PM, at CarPool in Clarendon, Virginia. 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 10:17:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7AEH4613403 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA27329 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu (paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.133]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12300 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA35818 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (max1h-40.his.com [216.32.85.40]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA14662 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010810101705.0077fc34@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:17:08 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Team Charm @ 6hr WERA and CCS Sprints Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We had a most excellent weekend, racing at two different race tracks on the same weekend. Read about it at: http://www.his.com/~harris/news.htm Our next event: http://www.his.com/~harris/sched.htm Enjoy!! Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 12:59:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7AGxn616151 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:59:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200108101259.AA1769928@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: traffic cams get wrong vehicles X-Mailer: Subject: Automated traffic-camera system has flaws >From the Seattle Times: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134326067_trafficam05m.html It was not the kind of "Kodak moment" the city of Lakewood hoped for. Its high-tech traffic camera had just nabbed Cyn Mason for doing 38 in a 30-mph zone. The camera captured the license plate on the Tacoma woman's car as it sped through a school zone June 8. Or so it seemed. After receiving a notice, a thumbnail copy of the incriminating image and a demand for $71, Mason put pen to paper: "This is my sworn statement, under penalty of perjury, that your system cannot distinguish between the sporty coupe shown in the ticket picture, and the Honda CR-V sport-utility vehicle that I drive. In other words, I swear that you have the wrong car, since the one shown in the ticket is not my vehicle. Is this sufficient to correct your error, or would you like me to swear at you some more?" ------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 13:40:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10903.mail.yahoo.com (web10903.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7AHel616781 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010810174046.67741.qmail@web10903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.80.171.28] by web10903.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:40:46 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:40:46 -0700 (PDT) From: John Germuga Subject: Maryland MSF Classes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200108092300.f79N0M828092@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a friend or two that is interested in the MSF class in Maryland. As usual, the classes are booked solid through the remainder of this year. Anyone have any experience with walk ons? I remember seeing too that the walk on rules are different in VA locations. I wonder if it's any easier in MD. Anyone know of any private classes that come close to the $100 deal from the MVA? (I paid 350 for my MSF class in NY) Gimer, Any word on garage space in Bethesda? I'm really diggin the new Road Star Warrier (check out the "Accessorized" setup here http://www.yamaha-motor.com/access/02star/page1.htm)but don't dare park it on the street. I could do with a little less CCs though. Too bad they're not making a straight liter model. John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 14:10:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14003.mail.yahoo.com (web14003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.94]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7AIAA617287 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010810181009.6458.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.25] by web14003.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:10:09 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:10:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Maryland MSF Classes To: John Germuga , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010810174046.67741.qmail@web10903.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- John Germuga wrote: > I have a friend or two that is interested in the MSF > class in Maryland. > Anyone have any experience with walk ons? > Anyone know of any private classes that come close > to the $100 deal from the MVA? In Maryland, the state is way behind in serving up sufficient MSF Classes. Last night in Waldorf, 12 people were signed up for a class of 12. Six people showed up hoping to get in on stand-by. Of the 12 on the list, one didn't show up at all, another showed up 10 minutes late. The person who showed up late was not admitted to the class, the $100 payment will not be refunded, no additional classes are available, score Maryland $100, student -$100, no training and no recourse. Two of the six standbys were admitted to the class. Last nights results are not atypical. Charging people for teaching motorcycle riding is considered a business in Maryland. Businesses must be licensed. Anyone who wishes to operate a motorcycle safety school must obtain a license similar to the way in which driver training schools must be licensed. With one exception, Maryland does not have a procedure for licensing motorcycle safety schools, but they do have a procedure for shutting down unlicensed schools. Maryland will not recognize the training provided by the Motorcycle Safety Schools in any other State. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 14:27:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f136.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.136]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7AIRB617607 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:15:38 -0700 Received: from 151.200.109.76 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:15:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.76] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Pay At Pump Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:15:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2001 18:15:38.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[7555AF10:01C121C8] Dave Yates (bigot at large) Wrote: > The problem is that it >can take a week or more for that refund to show up in your account. > > > SFW ? If I have to go inside, I have to interact with someone that >speaks little English, stinks, and is pre occupied writing a letter >justifying the purchase of their new spouse and accompanying dowry. >I'll take the pay at the pump ... > ...and then Mark Kitchell (defender of PC) wrote: > > >Am I the only one who sees this as a blatantly racist >and bigoted statement? Get a life Dave. Just because >your family came to this country years ago, that >doesn't mean that you have to disparage new immigrants >here trying to make a life for themselves. > >There are certain ethnic groups that tend to >predominate in service stations/convenience stories. >Those ethnic groups are also well reprsented on this >list. Kudos to you, Dave, for just instulting them >all. > >Mark > ...and then Sean Jordan (aka DickEYanker) wrote: > >That's it. Fight (so-called) intolerance with even more intolerance. >Am I the only person that is highly amused by open-minded individuals >who berate and insult "intolerant" people? I love America! > Me too Sean. I have no tolerance for Intolerance! And I HATE bigots! LOL! Seriously though, I really have a distaste for political correctness when simple courtesy and civility would do just fine. I've always been suspicious about the motivations of individuals or groups that insist that other individuals or groups deserve some special treatment based solely on their race, religion, sexual orientation, sex, etc. What are they really after anyway? That was a rhetorical question Sean! Live and let live. It's really that simple. As for Daves depiction of service station attendants as smelly, unintelligible dowry seeking types, well that's just his type-cast of those low-lifes ;-) Mine on the other hand is they're rotund, straw chewing, John-Deere hat wearing good ole boys with lotsa ass crack happening. Of course, I try to do most of my riding well west of DC where they don't always have a pay-at-pump option so I've got no choice but to interact with.....THEM! :-) Oh, and I've never had a problem in my extended travels on a bike using pay at the pump with my credit card. The original message about the blocking is the first time I've ever heard of it. Even so, I just sent a note to my bank inquirying about it. Todd (Springfield, VA) Libertarian, Goddamnit! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 15:36:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f222.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7AJa7618757 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:36:01 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:36:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Credit Card Blocking Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:36:01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2001 19:36:01.0547 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFDE1DB0:01C121D3] The one time I had my credit card "blocked" was when my wife and I tried to check out of our hotel in Montreal, Quebec. We went there several years ago when the Canadian dollar was worth about 60 American cents. Shopping was the main reason we went. We bought clothes and shoes and antiques -- even an antique dining room set. When we went to check out of our hotel we found that my "big" credit card was "blocked". Of course we had already spent about $10,000 Canadian on it! I called the bank when we couldn't check out and the bank told me they had called our house in DC, but NOBODY answered! I responded: DUH, I wonder why.... could it have been that we were spending all our money in Montreal?! Really? they asked... at that point they had only two transactions for a total of less than $500.00! Here is the real kicker: The only reason they canceled the card was because the transactions were made in Montreal! Someone could have stolen the card in DC and spent $20,000.00 without any trouble at all! I had to use another card to check out. I got lots of nasty letters from annoyed French Canadian shopkeepers (who weren't yet using automated systems). Eventually all the merchants got paid and I got a formal apology letter from the head of the Navy Federal Credit Union. Doug Allis DHAllis@XXXXXX w: 202-482-5985 h: 703-912-9576 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 16:04:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7AK47619147 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-95.s95.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.95]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15VIVq-0007Su-00 ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:04:06 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Sean Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: BIOLOGICAL EMERGNECY ALERT Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:03:54 -0700 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f7AK49619148 On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:34:26 -0400, you wrote: |>A TWO MILE LONG SWARM OF FLAMING DESTRUCTO-MONKIES ARE ON A COLLISION |>COURSE WITH THE WASHINGTON, D.C./GREATER METROPOLITAN AREA. ALL |>CITIZENS ARE ADVISED TO STAY INDOORS AND COWER IN FEAR. IF YOU ARE |>CAUGHT OUTDOORS, TRY TO REMAIN PERFECTLY STILL. FLAMING |>DESTRUCTO-MONKIES ARE AGITATED BY MOVEMENT OF ANY SORT. TUNE INTO |>WTOP OR NEWS CHANNEL 7 FOR MORE DETAILS. If only we could harness this incredible force of nature and redirect it towards capital hill! Danny From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 16:06:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7AK6t619226 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-95.s95.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.95]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15VIYY-0000G6-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:06:54 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: profanity Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:06:41 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f7AK6u619227 Come on guys.. this is a respectible list.. we dont' need you talking about profane subjects and using foul words like "WORK" "do some work" and "working" That is just disgusting! Danny From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 16:08:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7AK8C619237 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-95.s95.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.95]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15VIZn-0000a0-00 ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:08:11 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: LakeSueE@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: New-rider syndrome Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:08:00 -0700 Message-ID: <39q8ntofv9bdvukdklof8jurltssmnsrad@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f7AK8D619238 1. you might want to see your doctor 2. you could probably stand up in the city.. you gotta go over bumps anyway. 3. I never had cramps in my hips, but i'm a guy. I never heard of that for a woman either though. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 16:58:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7AKws620025 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-95.s95.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.95]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15VJMr-0002dc-00 ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:58:54 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: the_penas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New-rider syndrome Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:58:42 -0700 Message-ID: References: <20010808173104.13339.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> <3B7178E5.7E6EC243@ix.netcom.com> <3B717A8A.7AC41EC2@home.com> In-Reply-To: <3B717A8A.7AC41EC2@home.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f7AKx8620026 On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 13:44:42 -0400, you wrote: |>Chuck Pena wrote: |> |>> Since "sheister" (thank you for correcting me, Tom) and "lawyer" are the |>> same thing. Sort of like "Gimer" and "horse's ass". %^) |> |>Chuck, |> |>You got bigger brass ones than me insulting a lawyer |>in this day and age... :) maybe he posts from work and doens' t like his employeer... the lawyer will go after the deep pockets... so it's like focusing your enemy on your other enemy.. pretty genius.. but if you got 2 enemies, maybe you need to work on your diplomacy skills heheh Danny "diplomacy is saying nice doggy.. until you can find a rock" From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 17:02:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7AL22620118 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-95.s95.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.95]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15VJPt-0003D0-00 ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:02:02 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "lisa@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: gas, or lack thereof Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:01:50 -0700 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f7AL23620119 A soda bottle, filled with gas, works nicely as a refreshing drink for an empty gas tank... becareful that you slowly..slowly.. filll the bottle up though.. it's very easy to shoot back up at you... Danny From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 17:18:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp7vepub.verizon.net (smtp7vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.28]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7ALIE620337 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.bellatlantic.net (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp7vepub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id QAA60087582 Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:11:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010810165914.00ab3240@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:04:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Credit Card Blocking Cc: "Doug Allis" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:36 PM 8/10/01, you wrote: >The one time I had my credit card "blocked" was when my wife and I tried >to check out of our hotel in Montreal, Quebec. We went there several years >ago when the Canadian dollar was worth about 60 American cents. Shopping >was the main reason we went. We bought clothes and shoes and antiques -- >even an antique dining room set. When we went to check out of our hotel >we found that my "big" credit card was "blocked". Of course we had >already spent about $10,000 Canadian on it! I called the bank when we >couldn't check out and the bank told me they had called our house in DC, >but NOBODY answered! I responded: DUH, I wonder why.... could it have been >that we were spending all our money in Montreal?! Really? they asked... at >that point they had only two transactions for a total of less than >$500.00! Here is the real kicker: The only reason they canceled the card >was because the transactions were made in Montreal! Someone could have >stolen the card in DC and spent $20,000.00 without any trouble at all! I >had to use another card to check out. I got lots of nasty letters from >annoyed French Canadian shopkeepers (who weren't yet using automated >systems). Eventually all the merchants got paid and I got a formal apology >letter from the head of the Navy Federal Credit Union. This is pretty common when we travel to Europe once or twice a year -- inevitably, they pick up on an unusual spending pattern and put a hold on the card. Then when a merchant tries to charge to it, he gets a message to call in. Eventually, they transfer you to the fraud detection section, ask the merchant to describe the customer, then ask you to get on the phone and answer a few questions to confirm your identity. Then they open up the card again, and no troubles for the rest of the trip. It happened to us in Wales this April -- charged a leather moto jacket, a flip-face helmet, another thousand bucks of stuff, and a $1500 rental car deposit before they finally rejected a $25 charge in a bookstore. After the phone calls, all was well. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 17:21:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14609.mail.yahoo.com (web14609.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7ALL9620417 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010810211428.64301.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.161.58] by web14609.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:14:28 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:14:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Maryland MSF Classes To: John Germuga , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010810174046.67741.qmail@web10903.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- John Germuga wrote: > Gimer, > > Any word on garage space in Bethesda? I'm really > diggin the new Road Star Warrier (check out the > "Accessorized" setup here > http://www.yamaha-motor.com/access/02star/page1.htm)but > don't dare park it on the street. I could do with a > little less CCs though. Too bad they're not making a > straight liter model. no word yet. i'll call monday to check if the broker got any hits. his initial thoughts were the east gude drive area, to which i responded nebel street might also have promise. ideally, i'd like something closer to the old georgetown rd/355 intersection or downtown bethesda. i wonder if there may also be a local message board or newsgroup through which garage space might be located.... ===== tg For quality legal services at reasonable rates, check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 17:34:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7ALYO620586 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-95.s95.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.95]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15VJvD-000108-00 ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:34:24 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pay at pump Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:34:12 -0700 Message-ID: <49v8ntkk1sgqvd47313updcfqv8gr2e17q@4ax.com> References: <17.19c9bb0e.28a448c0@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <17.19c9bb0e.28a448c0@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f7ALYQ620587 |>> chains! Oh yea now i remember.. chains! if ever your chain should pop... and lock your back wheel and throw you off the bike.. the concept of a shaft drive will seem like heavenly enlightenment... i wish i had a shaft drive.. now i'm paranoid about my chain popping all the time. in fact last night i dreamed it popped... Danny the ground hurts..ouch From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 17:34:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7ALYP620588 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-95.s95.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.95]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15VJtN-0000jo-00 ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:32:29 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Jason Picton Cc: "'dc-cycles list'" Subject: Re: Pay at pump Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:32:18 -0700 Message-ID: References: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE96046FC190@WASH58> In-Reply-To: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE96046FC190@WASH58> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f7ALYQ620589 |>Most gas stations (like Exxon) have a block on their systems that only allow |>you to use the same credit card twice in a limited period of time. Ah ha! so it was exxon. I had that happen a few times and i thought it was my one brand of credit card.. each time i figured it out tho.. and used my other credit card. and here i was going ot use speedpass with that credit card, to get around that block... or try to.. btw from my understanding (from other message assumptions) speedpass is linked to a credit card, so that could be your liabliity protection damn i forgot the other note i wanted to make.. oh well.. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 17:34:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7ALYP620590 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-95.s95.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.95]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15VJiS-0006V7-00 ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:21:16 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Rob Winters Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pay at pump Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:20:53 -0700 Message-ID: <7eu8nto14nf149cvli70j1ekhu1g83br0n@4ax.com> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010809005132.02fbca30@mail.nova.org> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010809005132.02fbca30@mail.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f7ALYR620591 |> - It doesn't work at all stations. it's becoming more popular. |> - It clutters up an already cluttered keyring; mine's a weapon now, much |>worse than my wallet! lol. I keep 2 keys on my bike keyring.. the bike key and the cable lock.. (disk lock is on my house keyring along with a spare for hte cable lock and a spare for the ignition). So I have plenty fo room for the speed pass, and I also got a spare bike key so i'm not stranded or "have to go home for the key" and someone finds my key and steals my bike... so it sounds more convient to me. Danny oops gotta watch out for the post nazis. i'm posting too much! From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 17:34:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7ALYQ620592 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-95.s95.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.95]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15VJeY-0005qh-00 ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:17:12 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Todd Withrow Cc: Larry Meyer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pay at pump Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:16:53 -0700 Message-ID: <4bu8ntkf50liuddv47eph86d2hid9en6fh@4ax.com> References: <3B71F232.75D832E1@cox.rr.com> <20010809085013.62393.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010809085013.62393.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f7ALYR620593 |>I'll second that. It sits in the little change pocket |>in the sleeve of my jacket. Just wave my arm at the |>pump and go. sweet. I'm going to see if they have an online application for it. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 17:34:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7ALYR620594 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-95.s95.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.95]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15VJdo-0005km-00 ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:16:24 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Larry Meyer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pay at pump Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:16:13 -0700 Message-ID: References: <3B71F232.75D832E1@cox.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3B71F232.75D832E1@cox.rr.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f7ALYT620608 On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 22:15:14 -0400, you wrote: |>Exxon/Mobil Speed Pass. Don't even need to fish through your wallet. dammit.. i never thoguht of that.. I would always say.. why do i need speed pass.. I could lose my keys and bam i'd be screwed... but since fishing for my wallet is a haslle.. i mean.. . gotta take off the big funky race type gloves.. gotta unzip the leathers, fish out the little thin wallet.. fish out the credit card.. put it back in the wallet and put the wallet back.. that is kind of annoying.. speed passs i could keep my gloves on, pull my key out, wave the pass, then unlock the tank.. I kinda feel an epiphany lol like damn i looked past a good thing... kind of that same feeling like "damn i shouldn't have done that" after you just got broken up from doing something stupid that you knew was stupid lol fortunately.. i don't do that too often.. Danny From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 17:35:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7ALZU620701 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-95.s95.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.95]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15VJwH-0001At-00 ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:35:30 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Aaron Ward" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pay at pump Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:35:18 -0700 Message-ID: <8dv8nt42bog9rss5qefpehhp8vjkve35c5@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f7ALZV620702 |>form of the credit card. Soon you will be able to use them at drive through |>fast food places, and I'm sure other places will follow. oh yea that's right, that was the other assumption.. that speedpass limits you to one gas station company.. not true. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 17:38:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7ALcg620711 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-95.s95.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.95]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15VJzN-0001bj-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:38:42 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: drive shafts vs chains Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:38:31 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f7ALch620712 ok i know why for belt drives.. but.. i forgot what i learned on the list... why do they use chains instead of shafts on sportbikes? what are the drawbacks again? From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 17:42:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7ALgv620799 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GHV0036EGBFR1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:42:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GHV00G01GBCH7@XXXXXX>; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:42:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GHV00FFEGB4HG@XXXXXX>; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:42:40 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:42:31 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Pay at pump To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B745547.FE8A1728@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <17.19c9bb0e.28a448c0@aol.com> <49v8ntkk1sgqvd47313updcfqv8gr2e17q@XXXXXX> daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > |>> chains! > > Oh yea now i remember.. chains! > > if ever your chain should pop... and lock your back wheel and throw > you off the bike.. the concept of a shaft drive will seem like > heavenly enlightenment... It doesn't even take that much. I reached Enlightenment after watching the little nubs on the sprockets wear themselves down in about 6 months. And after the umpteenth clean/ adjust/lube session. No thanks. Shafties rule! Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 17:55:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7ALtG620984 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-95.s95.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.95]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15VKFP-0004JV-00 ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:55:16 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Doug Allis" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Credit Card Blocking Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:55:05 -0700 Message-ID: <9509ntkr6phgqkjonrdfrt2qgp2i5lm13r@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f7ALtI620985 |>out. I got lots of nasty letters from annoyed French Canadian shopkeepers LOL.. I heard the french were perverts! oh you mean "mean". (how often does one ever say mean mean in a sentence with it being correct? once in a lifetime or less?) |>paid and I got a formal apology letter from the head of the Navy Federal |>Credit Union. why apologize for those french bastards! he shoulda sent the navy up their to kick their arses.. french and canadian.. how tough could they be? We coulda just parachuted rosie o donnel out there and they would be beggin for mercy! you know merican's are tough' if we can stand listening to rosie talk! please excuse my french bigotry.. it was ingrained from my father.. he is french and a real a$$hole! now canadians on the other hand.. well it's just fun to pick on them cuz we are americans! dont' excuse my anti-national-ism? Danny just jokes.. post nazis stay away! the delete key is labelled! From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 18:08:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7AM8m621242 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-95.s95.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.95]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15VKSV-0006UZ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:08:48 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: speedpasss signup online Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:08:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1c19nt8h6mvfsluagbhivs1l4kjv6ihfkn@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f7AM93621243 http://www.speedpass.com/exxon/index.jsp From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 18:15:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7AMF8621418 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-95.s95.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.95]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15VKYd-0007Qr-00 ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:15:08 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: itm@XXXXXX Subject: one more thing about speedpass Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:14:57 -0700 Message-ID: <0k19ntc9s9hrk9rn24fo166vhq1ofqorus@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f7AMFD621419 Sometimes I forget my wallet with both my credit cards and money in it.... so if i had speedpass.. even those times.. i wouldn't have to start or run out of gas.. putting a little bit of change in the vehicle... needless to say.. i just signed up for it! oh and now everytime you use it, you get a chance to win 2 grand in a little sweepstakes they have... according to thier online site.. danny I should get paid for my endorsements, i sound like a salesman From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 19:27:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7ANRC622658 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from michael (pool-63.49.137.141.bltm.grid.net [63.49.137.141]) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04941 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004601c121f4$76b69aa0$36cdfea9@michael> From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:30:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 >why do they use chains instead of shafts on sportbikes? A properly adjusted chain has almost zero friction losses (more hp actually gets to the rear wheel, and then to the road) >what are the drawbacks again? Note the phrase "properly adjusted" - chains are a relatively high maintenance item and tend to get neglected. or maladjusted. or both. The last thing that I want to do after10-12 hours in the saddle is to mess with the chain in a motel parking lot. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 20:47:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7B0l2623946 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-55-34.s288.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.55.34] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15VMvd-00009H-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:47:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c121fe$bd510d60$22372c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Pay at the pump...More! Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:44:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This was the response from my credit union about how charges are handled...... "Thank you for your message. With an ATM card the merchant directly debits your account for only the amount due and no "block" is placed on the account. With credit cards the merchant will obtain an authorization for the amount due and nothing more. The authorization basically puts the funds on hold until the actual charge slip is received. When the charge slip is received by the bank then the charge is applied to the account and the authorization is released. Occasionally, the authorization amount will not exactly match the final charge amount causing the authorization hold to linger on the account. However, this is very rare and the hold will fall off within two weeks if no matching charge is received." So, how did this go again? The service station is "Blocking" your card for more money than you actually needed credit for? I gotta say, Toro Caca! A pay-at-pump service is still a point of presence sale. I mean, you agreed to pay the measily $5-$10 for your gas. The credit card will be charged ONLY that. As for the guy who had a problem with the service station (two times and then a hold on authorization), that is completely understandable and legitimate retail practice. Like if you walked in and your card failed a couple times...push off! Todd (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 10 20:57:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7B0vd624109 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-55-34.s288.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.55.34] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15VN5u-0001eQ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:57:39 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c12200$392d50a0$22372c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Shaft vs. Chain Was: Pay at pump Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:54:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:42:31 -0400 From: Dale Horstman It doesn't even take that much. I reached Enlightenment after watching the little nubs on the sprockets wear themselves down in about 6 months. And after the umpteenth clean/ adjust/lube session. No thanks. Shafties rule! Horkster ------------------------------------------------------ Shaft does rule, for your kind of riding. I can't knock it either as the ST1100 is such a dream maintenance wise. However, I've got close to 22,000 miles on the VTR now and the chain and sprockets look great! I don't do anything out of the ordinary but clean the chain ever ~1000 miles or so with kerosene. I think I'm gonna get 30,000 miles out of it. First time ever with a chain. And not really a big deal maintenance wise. I consider it bonding with my bike in any case ;-) Todd (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 11 01:40:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7B5eX628221 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 01:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f7B5eJ327847; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 01:40:20 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "Michael Jordan" , Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 01:42:22 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <004601c121f4$76b69aa0$36cdfea9@michael> In-Reply-To: <004601c121f4$76b69aa0$36cdfea9@michael> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01081101422200.03447@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 10 August 2001 19:30, Michael Jordan wrote: > >why do they use chains instead of shafts on sportbikes? > A properly adjusted chain has almost zero friction losses (more hp actually > gets to the rear wheel, and then to the road) > Note the phrase "properly adjusted" - chains are a relatively high > maintenance item and tend to get neglected. or maladjusted. or both. That, and the fact that 30 lbs of mass rotating at a high rate of speed opposite and off-center to the bike's CoG has a mean gyroscopic effect. In high HP cars, this actually causes frame flex... on a lightweight sportbike, well... you'd turn one way a lot better than the other :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 11 11:52:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7BFq3610531 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 11:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXEtXkzmJGV9uxnjf+/CbpQLItCrJ+jVc6A=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GCKT72GF; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 11:51:44 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 11:46:41 -0400 Subject: Corner Workers Needed for Pocono Cycle Jam, August 24-26 Message-ID: <20010811.114820.-653119.11.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-5,7,9,11,13-19,21-24,26,28-30,32,34,36,38-40,42,44,46-47,49-54,56,58,60-62,64,66,68,70-80,82,84,86 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Corner Workers Needed for Pocono Cycle Jam, August 24-26. See following message for details. Contact Dave Back(MotoXotica@XXXXXX) or myself for the attachment. Should be loads of fun, and an opportunity to learn about the most important job in road racing - corner working. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com)* *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com)* *Nuts and Bolts Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX (www.nbracesites.com)* *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX)* --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: MotoXotica@XXXXXX Attached is a flier for the annual Pocono Cycle Jam for the Formula USA Professional races at Pocono International Speedway in Long Pond, PA. Please print, post, distribute and forward this information to motorcycle enthusiasts and area shops and as you see fit. This event, for those unfamiliar with the Pocono Cycle Jam, is a Professional Motorcycle Road Race for those competitors competing toward the national title in Formula USA classes. (go to www.formulausa.com for more information) Safety crew workers are needed all four days...Thursday Aug 23, Friday Aug 24, Saturday Aug 25, and Sunday Aug 26. Workers will be given $50 per day worked plus a free pass to the race track. Though we would like to encourage people to work as many days as possible, we also would accept anyone who is willing to only work one day or two days. The situation is that we need about 50 people per day to adequately staff the corner working stations. The primary positions include radio operators, flaggers and pick up crews for those unfortunate few racers that may fall. This is a great way to be involved and up close with motorcycle superbike racing and meet some of the top riders in the country. Camping is available at the track and there are also many vendors and related activities. Anyone who is interested please respond, preferably by email with your name and phone number and which days you can work. Once the information has been compiled a follow up e-mail (or phone call if necessary) will be provided with more specific details. Suggested wearing apparel for the safety crew duties is full length cotton pants, white is preferred but blue jeans or slacks are acceptable and a white long or short sleeved cotton shirt. Because the corner working positions are outdoors, having rain gear, a hat for the sun, sun screen and a cooler is a good idea. Also, please avoid wearing clothing or hats that are red or yellow, as these are the colors of the primary warning flags. Please feel free to e-mail if you have any questions, Thanks for your interest, Dave Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com)* *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com)* *Nuts and Bolts Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX (www.nbracesites.com)* *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX)* From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 11 14:36:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from spaw1.hq.af.mil (spaw1.hq.af.mil [134.205.190.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7BIaG613131 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.com (adsl-138-88-63-25.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [138.88.63.25]) by spaw1.hq.af.mil (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA34466 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:33:02 -0400 Message-ID: <3B757B2C.AD5E914B@cais.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:36:28 -0400 From: Jim Shoemaker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: Belstaff "Interceptor" Jacket Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Size US 42, Black partially perf'd leather. Features: -- 1.4mm Korean hide -- Elasticized shoulder and elbow panels -- Underarm stretch Kevlar (keprotec) panels -- Elasticized waist -- Pockets for shoulder elbow and back CE Armor (armor not included) -- Full circumference zipper & 8-inch zipper for connecting to a variety of pants -- 2 front slash pockets, 1 inside pocket -- Snap-in liner Here's a picture from Belstaff website: http://www.belstaff.com/usa_large/leather/interceptor.html Like new. Bought it in March 2001. Worn maybe a dozen times for short rides around town. Why am I selling? Turns out I'm more like a size 40 than a 42. I paid $435 on sale from PoserRide. MAW has it for about $420 last time I checked. I'm looking to get $320 for it. Contact me off list if interested. Cheers, Jim Shoemaker Alexandria, VA '00 Monster 750 http://www.belstaff.com/usa_large/leather/interceptor.html From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 11 15:45:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7BJjS614237 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.fb.182000e0 (4013) for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:45:16 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:45:16 EDT Subject: Yippee!!! New Bike!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fb.182000e0.28a6e54c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 --part1_fb.182000e0.28a6e54c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, 11 months after I tossed my Concours into a bridge I finally brought a new bike home. Man, it is so nice to ride again!!! :) Now, if I can just keep the rain away so I can finally go to BIKE NIGHT! Hope to see you all there... Steve Broadstreet 01 ZX-9R --part1_fb.182000e0.28a6e54c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, 11 months after I tossed my Concours into a bridge I finally brought
a new bike home. Man, it is so nice to ride again!!!  :)
 Now, if I can just keep the rain away so I can finally go to BIKE NIGHT!
Hope to see you all there...

Steve Broadstreet
01 ZX-9R --part1_fb.182000e0.28a6e54c_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 11 16:33:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7BKXf614935 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 16:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.9b.1948eb8b (7401) for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 16:33:32 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9b.1948eb8b.28a6f09c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 16:33:32 EDT Subject: Re: Pay at the pump...More! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/10/2001 8:49:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, toddbpeer@XXXXXX writes: (In reference to problems with Pay at pump.) >Toro Caca! You are missing the point! This IS a problem and I really do not care if you choose to ignore it or not, I put it on the list to help those who "sail beyond sight of land" avoid it. As for your credit union, they failed to understand the question, or you failed to understand the problem. > pay-at-pump service is still a point of presence sale. I mean, you _agreed > to pay_ the measily $5-$10 for your gas. The credit card will be charged > ONLY that. NOT AT ALL! If you go into the station to pay you do indeed agree to pay a set amount, the total sale. If the pump asks "How much" and you type in an amount, then you agree to pay a set amount. BUT! When you slide your card at the pump for a fill up _You have agreed to NO set amount_ The pump has no way of knowing how much you are going to use, or for that matter what you are driving, a motor home or a moped, the only way the station can be sure that there is enough available on you account is to put a block (lets use that word "hold" block seems to be causing confusion.) on enough to pay for whatever fuel you MAY buy. No one is being crooked here, it is just the only way they have of being assured of payment. The problem is the delay in "refunding" the unused amount. On a bike with a small tank this can result in a lot of cash being unavailable when needed. >The service station is "Blocking" your card for > more money than you actually needed credit for? I gotta say, Toro Caca! I am sorry but the problem exists! Denying it serves no function whatsoever. I put up my call to the bank to find out what the hell was going on as well as a consumer report from a few years ago against your e-mail to someone who had no clue anytime. The primary advantage of a list like this is the free exchange of information and help. Biting someone on the ass who is trying to help is counterproductive I have ridden something in the neighborhood of a _half a million miles_ on bikes, ridden in 47 states and into Canada, spent 8 years as a full time professional motorcycle mechanic and a year selling the damn things, I have a lot to contribute to this list. But I am getting damn tired of the tendency by some on this list to attack any statement made by anybody, just for the sake of attacking it. I think I will just lurk for a while and see if you folk can be civil. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 11 16:39:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web5202.mail.yahoo.com (web5202.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7BKdN615014 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 16:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010811203921.3977.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [170.115.189.111] by web5202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:39:21 PDT Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:39:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Davidson Subject: Questions from a beginning cyclist To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200108102300.f7AN0MT22125@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello, I am a new motorcyclist to the DC area and I want to know: 1) Where can I take a beginner's motorcycle safety course? (I already have a DC driver's license and motorcycle permit.) 2) Do you believe that a 2001 Yamaha FZ1 is took much of a bike for a beginning rider like myself?? Your comments are much appreciated and can be sent directly to me at the email above. Thanks, MenSa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 11 16:51:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6vepub.verizon.net (smtp6vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.27]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7BKpI615257 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 16:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.bellatlantic.net (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp6vepub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id PAA57581187 Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:51:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010811163718.00a92c20@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 16:42:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Pay at the pump...More! In-Reply-To: <9b.1948eb8b.28a6f09c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:33 PM 8/11/01, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >.... But I am getting damn tired of the tendency >by some on this list to attack any statement made by anybody, just for the >sake of attacking it. >I think I will just lurk for a while and see if you folk can be civil. If you think this mailing list is bad, try the Usenet group alt.motorcycles.sportbike. I'm starting to think it's something about the general personalities of people who choose to ride on sportbikes in particular. I'll tell you this: when I put in most of my miles on a Magna, I found Harley people to be generally more pleasant than riders on Japanese sportbikes. Thanks -- Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) '01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike) From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 11 17:10:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7BLAn615509 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f7BLAh329412; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:10:44 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pay at the pump...More! Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:12:45 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <9b.1948eb8b.28a6f09c@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <9b.1948eb8b.28a6f09c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01081117124502.03447@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Saturday 11 August 2001 16:33, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > NOT AT ALL! If you go into the station to pay you do indeed agree to pay a > set amount, the total sale. If the pump asks "How much" and you type in an > amount, then you agree to pay a set amount. > BUT! When you slide your card at the pump for a fill up _You have agreed to > NO set amount_ The pump has no way of knowing how much you are going to > use, or for that matter what you are driving, a motor home or a moped, the > only way the station can be sure that there is enough available on you > account is to put a block (lets use that word "hold" block seems to be > causing confusion.) Just wanted to point out here that John is absolutly correct. The pump communicates with your bank *before* you pump a cent of gas (That part where it flashes "authorizing" on the little screen) and puts a Hold on X amount of funds - an amount they have come up with to minimize loss (i.e. if someone is pumping more gas than they have credit available). Depending on how the station then handles things, the actual amount of money might not be transferred and the hold released until an end-of-day batch is done. If you're close to your credit limit, this is going to create a problem. I've also had the SpeedPass itself balk at multiple uses, not related to CC credit limit, but that was a while back when they first started with it... I think they had a # of uses limit which isn't there anymore as I've not run into a problem since. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 11 17:20:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2 (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7BLKQ615729 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p25.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.25]) by pop2 (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA18947; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:20:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: , Subject: RE: Pay at the pump...More! Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:23:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c122ac$1d34bf80$1982c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <9b.1948eb8b.28a6f09c@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal John points out- You are missing the point! This IS a problem and I really do not care if you choose to ignore it or not, I put it on the list to help those who "sail beyond sight of land" avoid it. As for your credit union, they failed to understand the question, or you failed to understand the problem. > pay-at-pump service is still a point of presence sale. I mean, you _agreed > to pay_ the measily $5-$10 for your gas. The credit card will be charged > ONLY that. Actually, I don't think it is. Because you don't sign for it like you do when you go inside (yeah, yeah, how would i know...) ;-) When you sign for the 'merchandise', that is a 'point of presence' sale, right ? How much $$$ are the stations 'holding' against the card ? ...lets use that word "hold" block seems to be causing confusion.) on enough to pay for whatever fuel you MAY buy. No one is being crooked here, it is just the only way they have of being assured of payment. The problem is the delay in "refunding" the unused amount. It would then seem to me that it would be time to check my card agreement. Let's say for example, you ride up on your EX 250, slide the gas card, which only has a paltry $250 limit. If you just got gas yesterday, you're asserting it could get blocked.... FWIW, last summer I rode every day, rain, sleet, shine because my car was in the crapper.... my trip to & from was 112 miles, my estimated maximum range based on mileage I was getting was 220, so I stopped every morning for gas. Not being enlightened, and since it was zero dark hundred, I used the local Texaco's card swipe at the pump with my Texaco card and AMEX towards the summer's end. Not once was I denied, or 'blocked'.... Is it selective ? only certain stations, certain cards ? Seriously, my cc bill was reading like a novel... lots of 4 & 5 dollar charges... The primary advantage of a list like this is the free exchange of information and help. Hey, and let's not forget the entertaining flame fests ! Biting someone on the ass who is trying to help is counterproductive This is DC cycles, not Carolina Cycles or Alabama cycles.... Manners are optional for DC and the 'burbs... :-| I have ridden something in the neighborhood of a _half a million miles_ on bikes Long way... , ridden in 47 states and into Canada lotta real estate.... I'll bet you're tired :-) , spent 8 years as a full time professional motorcycle mechanic and a year selling the damn things, I have a lot to contribute to this list. But I am getting damn tired of the tendency by some on this list to attack any statement made by anybody, just for the sake of attacking it. I think I will just lurk for a while and see if you folk can be civil. Your point is interesting... I wonder what the real low down is... If you find anything out, please let us know... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 11 17:30:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7BLUp615907 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22628 invoked by uid 1001); 11 Aug 2001 21:30:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20010811213050.22627.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com for [205.252.8.97] via web-mailer on Sat, 11 Aug 2001 16:30:50 -0500 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 16:30:50 -0500 Subject: preventing a tank-slapper well I didn't get a whole lot of data from my last attempt aside from "once's it's a full-on you can't save it." So I'm watching round 7 of Formula Extreme this past tuesday (brainard I think) and some dude about mig-pack back has a series of 3 BIG front end wobbles coming down the front straight from the start. A couple other guys also experience a good amount of wobble just not as bad. with liter engines in WOT I can understand the front was getting light. and I'm certain everyone had dampers. nobody crashed so obviously however they handled it was working. Can anybody tell me the all-important details as to what they were doing? -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 11 17:33:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2 (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7BLX4615919 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p25.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.25]) by pop2 (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA24452; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:32:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Andrew Davidson'" , Subject: RE: Questions from a beginning cyclist Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:36:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c122ad$e0577880$1982c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010811203921.3977.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Hello, I am a new motorcyclist to the DC area and I want to know: 1) Where can I take a beginner's motorcycle safety course? (I already have a DC driver's license and motorcycle permit.) Then you can take it anywhere it's offered. I took it at PG college, I hear that Alexandria (location?) will take wal ons and isn't as difficult to get into... 2) Do you believe that a 2001 Yamaha FZ1 is took much of a bike for a beginning rider like myself?? Normally, I'd say no that it would be counterproductive to buy a beater, lose money & buy a bike you'll be happy with, but in this case I'd say yes, it's too much - too much money to lose if you wad it... too much chance to get into trouble. Get a beater bike 1st. It doesn't have to be a low displacement beater, but get a used bike. If you *really gotta* have a sport bike, get one that's real popular, with lots of stuff available for it - H*nda 600 Fn (n = 2,3,4) for example. It really comes down to how much self discipline & respect (for the machine & it's capabilities) that you *really* have. If you're fond of wheelies, burn outs, launches, etc... If you're intrigued or fascinated or obsessed with speed, yes, it's too much bike. If you do have enough discipline to respect the machine's ability & know that you're nowhere near capable of harnessing it, then maybe you can handle it... IF you're careful. Liter bike, or whatever you get, I'd get a used bike 1st. They're cheaper, easier to insure etc... Your comments are much appreciated and can be sent directly to me at the email above. Actually I posted this to the list because most of them will likely have comments or responses to what I said. Traditional wisdom is that you should not get a big or newer machine as a beginner, and it's a valid argument. OTOH, I got my ZX 11 with just more than a year of riding, and I've not been down, because I respected my bikes power and handling (or lack thereof)... Before making your decision, take a look at what opinions are given here, and make an honest assessment of what best fits your situation. Good luck, let us know what you decide... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 11 17:40:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2 (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7BLec616001 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p25.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.25]) by pop2 (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA27141; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:40:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Matthew Patton'" , Subject: RE: preventing a tank-slapper Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:45:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c122ae$ef50fa40$1982c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010811213050.22627.qmail@theglobe.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal with liter engines in WOT I can understand the front was getting light. and I'm certain everyone had dampers. nobody crashed so obviously however they handled it was working. Can anybody tell me the all-important details as to what they were doing? Getting lucky, that's what... I've seen the 'serious bar oscillations' vs. a full on tank slapper... tank slappers are a lot faster. Are you saying that you were watching them recover from TS ?? I think the 'MSF' response is/was - 'gradually roll off the throttle a little' with hands loose on the bars right ? Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 11 18:09:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [64.3.36.247]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7BM9H616430 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16049 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:09:15 -0400 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:09:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > why do they use chains instead of shafts on sportbikes? > what are the drawbacks again? Well, first, a shaft, when spun at as many RPM's as a normal sport bike revs, will tend to deform due to the high torque. Over time, the metal gets twisted and can get out of alignment, which can cause handling problems. Chains don't have this problem. Chains also mean that transmissions on sport bikes won't slip if you use synthetic oils like Mobile 1. Course, if you use traditional dinosaur juice, and then you use synthetic stuffs, you run the risk of viscosity breakdown issues at the higher compression ratio seen in most sport bikes. Harleys, which have automatic oil release valves at several strategic locations on the crankcase, don't suffer from any of these problems, so tend to use what ever sort of drive will look the best and offer the most surface area for chrome. Chrome, of course, makes you go faster, which, as we all know, is the whole point of having a motorcycle. YMMV. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 11 18:53:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7BMrQ617137 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f7BMrA329590; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:53:10 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "Dave Yates" , "'Matthew Patton'" , Subject: Re: preventing a tank-slapper Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:55:11 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <000201c122ae$ef50fa40$1982c0cf@nih.gov> In-Reply-To: <000201c122ae$ef50fa40$1982c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01081118551103.03447@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Can anybody tell me the > all-important details as to what they were doing? Just let the bike work itself out and don't do ANYTHING abruptly (easier said than done). I've read through all the messages talking about how a tank-slapper is this, and a "wobble" is that, etc.... I have to say, I'm glad you all can determine the difference, because I can't when I'm pulling over 90mph out of a corner and all hell breaks loose with the front end. We use stick-on wheel weights on our steering stops for protection against tank-slap and crash damage (The lead acts as a nice, crushable absorption material, keeps you from having the stops snap off the frame). I've had tank slappers that hammered the lead weights flat on both sides of the steering stop (i.e. full-lock to full-lock), and I didn't crash. I'd definatly call that a tank slapper, and it is not an "unsavable" condition. You just relax and let the bike steady itself. Fear combined with human reaction time generally causes you to roll out of the throttle (your brain is trying to comprehend what the hell is going on because it's happening so fast). That's all you CAN do. If you're holding on too tight, you'll know because you'll get yanked up out of the seat and off the pegs (usually followed by a sliding sound) :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 11 21:36:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7C1aC619650 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 21:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool180-4.patriot.net (HELO therock) (209.249.180.4) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2001 01:36:09 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <003201c122ce$ffa69880$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: "Andrew Davidson" , References: <20010811203921.3977.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Questions from a beginning cyclist Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 21:34:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Andrew, Welcome to motorcycling! Most areas have MSF programs, so look where you live first. Go to the Motorcycle Safety Foundation's website (www.msf-usa.org) and also call toll free (800) 446-9227 to find out where you can go to take the class. I have to warn you that most classes around D.C. are booked up months in advance. Your chances of finding one nearby this year are slim at best. Your best bet is if you're willing to travel a bit. By "a bit" I mean an hour or more outside of D.C. into Maryland or Virginia. You can conceivably go to a class near you and do "stand by" in the hopes that someone doesn't show up for the class that night. This can be a frustrating way to do it though. Good luck in your search. I would have to say that the FZ-1 is probably more bike than you want to get right now. The main problems for you at this time is its size, weight, and power. It's a pretty big bike and it's very likely you'll drop it once or twice moving around in parking lots. This is a tragedy for someone who's just gone and bought their dream bike. It's also got a lot more power than you can really get your head around. You'd probably end up either using only a tiny fraction of the available power due to fear or getting yourself into a panic-inducing situation due to a lack thereof. You'll enjoy yourself more if you feel you're able to put the machine to good use. For this, I'd recommend A) a used bike so those parking lot dumps will be less emotionally painful, B) a lighter bike to keep those dumps to a minimum, and C) a less powerful bike so that you can feel like it's working for a living instead of simply putting up with you. Bikes that fit these requirements (and also have minimal bodywork to damage) could be - Yamaha Seca II (600cc), Suzuki Bandit 600, Kawasaki EX500, Suzuki GS500e, Honda CB-1 (fun 400cc but hard to find), Honda Hawk 650 (cult classic), or Suzuki Bandit 400. Since you like the FZ-1, you should find a bike or two in this list that you find attractive. Most of these bikes will also be cheap, i.e. less than $2000, and they hold their value well now that they are a few years old. These bikes all have plenty of horsepower for highway riding and can all be a lot of fun in the twisties. You will learn a lot more quickly on a smaller bike, because you will feel more comfortable while you get familiar with your limits and it will be easier to manouever, both in slow-speed and high-speed turns. This may sound like a lot to take in, but you're a new rider and are probably soaking up whatever knowledge you can get your synapses around. :^) Feel free to ask questions on this mailing list - don't worry about asking a "dumb" question. You may get a few useless responses, but you will mostly find genuine, honest, friendly advice. We need as many good motorcyclists out there as we can get! Chris Weaver ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Davidson To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 4:39 PM Subject: Questions from a beginning cyclist > Hello, > I am a new motorcyclist to the DC area and I want to > know: > > 1) Where can I take a beginner's motorcycle safety > course? (I already have a DC driver's license and > motorcycle permit.) > > 2) Do you believe that a 2001 Yamaha FZ1 is took much > of a bike for a beginning rider like myself?? > > Your comments are much appreciated and can be sent > directly to me at the email above. > > Thanks, > MenSa _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 11 22:39:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws2-2.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-93.outblaze.com [205.158.62.93]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7C2d6620521 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18218 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Aug 2001 02:39:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20010812023900.18217.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from ws3-3.us4.outblaze.com for [65.105.138.205] via web-mailer on Sun, 12 Aug 2001 10:39:00 +0800 From: "G Hub" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 10:39:00 +0800 Subject: Pay at the Pump The following is part of my online statement for MasterCard: **** TEMPORARY AUTHORIZATIONS **** 08/05/2001 TEMP HESS 46501 - ARLINGTON $1.00 08/06/2001 TEMP HESS 46501 - ARLINGTON $1.00 The $1.00 is an authorization test by the gas station to validate the account. The authorization amount is a hold against the credit limit for the $1.00. This typically stays on the account until the actual charges are settled electronically by the gas station. Both charges are from Hess, but it is the same for other stations as well as my Mobile Speedpass. In certain situations, an estimate of the expense will get authorized and withheld from your credit limit. A good example is a multi-day hotel stay. On presenting your card on check-in, the estimate for the full stay will get authorized. At the end of the stay, the actual charges will be submitted and will clear the authorization credit hold. For fraud prevention, all transactions are scrutinized by neural software. They learn your typical spending patterns and alert fraud detection if something is unusual. Sometimes, this is a good thing if your card is actually stolen. The bank issuer can detect unusual activity and block future transactions immediately. Usually this is a pain in the ass when you travel and spend money, the account can temporarily be blocked. If so, call your bank prior to your trip to let them know to expect charges from Bangkok (they will note your account for the fraud people) or if denied a purchase, call from the merchant for immediate resolution. There should be an 800 number and a regular number to call collect on the back of the card. I have had to call from Korea to clear my account. Be sure to always use your MasterCard. See you at bike night for more Bank Card 101. Gerald Ducati ST4 -- _______________________________________________ Talk More, Pay Less with Net2Phone Direct(R), up to 1500 minutes free! http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?143 From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 12 12:08:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7CG8o603359 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 12:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from michael (pool-63.49.132.7.bltm.grid.net [63.49.132.7]) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA15996 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 09:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002101c12349$8cc833c0$36cdfea9@michael> From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 12:12:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > Well, first, a shaft, when spun at as many RPM's as a normal sport bike > revs, will tend to deform due to the high torque. Over time, the metal > gets twisted and can get out of alignment, which can cause handling > problems. Chains don't have this problem. Not a properly engineered one - also, a BMW at 100mph has about the same shaft rotational speed as a shaft-equipped high-RPM sportbike would have at the same speed - it's the final drive ratio that counts here - not the actual engine crankshaft RPMs > Chains also mean that transmissions on sport bikes won't slip if you use > synthetic oils like Mobile 1. Transmissions don't slip (unless you've worn the teeth off the gears (done that)). Clutches slip - and they don't care if you have belt, chain or shaft drive. Dry clutches run outside of the engine oil, and don't care what kind of oil that you use. SOME wet clutches are affected by SOME oils - much discussion about just which clutches and oils - little has been resolved - but it's fun to crank it up as a discussion topic from time to time to see who's still alive on the list ;-) Michael J. '93 GSX 1100G - 66K miles with a wet clutch on Mobil 1 and no slippage yet (unless I REALLY hit the throttle hard) From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 12 12:13:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7CGDc603447 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 12:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from michael (pool-63.49.132.7.bltm.grid.net [63.49.132.7]) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA00098 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 09:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004001c1234a$3ec78620$36cdfea9@michael> From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: <20010811203921.3977.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Questions from a beginning cyclist Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 12:17:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Welcome to the group. Chris said it all pretty well - I'd add a Suzuki SV650 to the list if you have to have a new bike. First bikes are better off "previously owned". We all suffer from occasional errors in judgement - some privately, some publically. I, for some reason, always seem to have a large audience on hand for mine :-( Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 12 17:02:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7CL2d607823 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id r.75.192adab4 (4013); Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:02:33 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <75.192adab4.28a848e8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:02:32 EDT Subject: Re: Questions from a beginning cyclist To: broblack_kemit@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_75.192adab4.28a848e8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 --part1_75.192adab4.28a848e8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/11/2001 4:42:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, broblack_kemit@XXXXXX writes: > Hello, > I am a new motorcyclist to the DC area and I want to > know: > > 1) Where can I take a beginner's motorcycle safety > course? (I already have a DC driver's license and > motorcycle permit.) > > 2) Do you believe that a 2001 Yamaha FZ1 is took much > of a bike for a beginning rider like myself?? > > Your comments are much appreciated and can be sent > directly to me at the email above. > > Thanks, > MenSa > Welcome to the list. In answer to your questions: 1. Virginia & Maryland both offer MSF courses. I don't know about DC or not. However, they book up FAST. You probably won't be able to get into one until early next year. 2. IMO, Yes. If you have never ridden a motorcycle before, that bike is WAY too much for a beginner bike. I started off on a used FZR600. I now have an R6. My recommendation would be to find a used 600 and ride around on it for a while. Buying used will be better in the long run when you dump it. Dumping a brand new bike will hurt you more than dumping a "beater". I bought my R6 new and if I EVER dump "my baby", I don't know what I would do. :-) This is my opinion and you'll probably get a similar response from others but, you asked. ;-) Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) --part1_75.192adab4.28a848e8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/11/2001 4:42:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
broblack_kemit@XXXXXX writes:


Hello,
I am a new motorcyclist to the DC area and I want to
know:

1) Where can I take a beginner's motorcycle safety
course? (I already have a DC driver's license and
motorcycle permit.)

2) Do you believe that a 2001 Yamaha FZ1 is took much
of a bike for a beginning rider like myself??

Your comments are much appreciated and can be sent
directly to me at the email above.

Thanks,
MenSa


Welcome to the list.  In answer to your questions:

1. Virginia & Maryland both offer MSF courses.  I don't know about DC or not.
 However, they book up FAST.  You probably won't be able to get into one
until early next year.

2.  IMO, Yes.  If you have never ridden a motorcycle before, that bike is WAY
too much for a beginner bike.  I started off on a used FZR600.  I now have an
R6.  My recommendation would be to find a used 600 and ride around on it for
a while.  Buying used will be better in the long run when you dump it.  
Dumping a brand new bike will hurt you more than dumping a "beater".  I
bought my R6 new and if I EVER dump "my baby", I don't know what I would do.  
:-)  This is my opinion and you'll probably get a similar response from
others but, you asked.  ;-)

Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) --part1_75.192adab4.28a848e8_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 12 17:12:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13905.mail.yahoo.com (web13905.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7CLCI608000 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010812211214.84090.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.15.184.123] by web13905.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:12:14 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:12:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Lamond Reply-To: keithl1349@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Questions from a beginning cyclist To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <75.192adab4.28a848e8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 1) getting into an MSF class is hard. I believe Alexandria has a walk in policy to allow people to take the place of no-shows. Paul Wilson or matthew Patton can probably say more on this. 2) FZ1 is way too much bike for a begginner. Save yourself some money and by a good used lower displacement sportsbike. Good ones to look at are: kawasaki Ninja 500 Hawk GT 650 Suzuki 500 When you decided to move up, you can turn your first bike into a track/race bike. you wouldn't have wasted dime. Keith Lil red SV 02 > > > > Hello, > > I am a new motorcyclist to the DC area and I want > to > > know: > > > > 1) Where can I take a beginner's motorcycle safety > > course? (I already have a DC driver's license and > > motorcycle permit.) > > > > 2) Do you believe that a 2001 Yamaha FZ1 is took > much > > of a bike for a beginning rider like myself?? > > > > Your comments are much appreciated and can be sent > > directly to me at the email above. > > > > Thanks, > > MenSa > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 08:26:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gillian.brauhausdc.org (w247.z064003036.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [64.3.36.247]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DCQY622693 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FRYER.obscure.org (dhcp18.brauhausdc.org [192.168.64.18]) by gillian.brauhausdc.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f7DCPui10569 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:26:17 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.2.20010813082521.00a640a8@pop.obscure.org> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.1 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:26:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains In-Reply-To: <002101c12349$8cc833c0$36cdfea9@michael> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MJ Writes: >Not a properly engineered one ... ... > > Chains also mean that transmissions on sport bikes won't slip if you use > > synthetic oils like Mobile 1. > >Transmissions don't slip (unless you've worn the teeth off the gears (done >that)). ... Hook, Line, and Sinker. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 08:53:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DCrM623183 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-166.90.25.87.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [166.90.25.87]) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA26629 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B77CE09.9617CBB8@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:54:34 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Bike Night - Thanks everyone! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another rainy evening put a damper (not one of those steering doohickies to help prevent/control tankslappers -- please see the other thread!) on Bike Night last night at CarPool. Nonetheless, we had a pretty good turnout. People came either on 2-wheels or in their cages (I fell into the latter category), depending on their own personal weather predictions and tolerance for wet weather riding. If I didn't get around to say "Hi!" to everyone, it's because I was chasing my 2-year old daughter, Marin, around (the only person under 21 they allowed in!) Thanks again for coming out. I know the guys at CarPool appreciated the crowd. Don't forget the next Bike Night at Uncle Jed's in Bethesda, MD on Sunday, August 26th. We'll do our best to have good weather for it! Chuck -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 09:06:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13804.mail.yahoo.com (web13804.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DD6m623455 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010813130646.44190.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13804.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 06:06:46 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 06:06:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Bike Night - Thanks everyone! To: the_penas@XXXXXX, DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3B77CE09.9617CBB8@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I second the thanks.....and I promise not to pick the next date because it rains every time I do! Mark --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Another rainy evening put a damper (not one of those > steering doohickies > to help prevent/control tankslappers -- please see > the other thread!) on > Bike Night last night at CarPool. Nonetheless, we > had a pretty good > turnout. People came either on 2-wheels or in their > cages (I fell into > the latter category), depending on their own > personal weather > predictions and tolerance for wet weather riding. > If I didn't get > around to say "Hi!" to everyone, it's because I was > chasing my 2-year > old daughter, Marin, around (the only person under > 21 they allowed in!) > Thanks again for coming out. I know the guys at > CarPool appreciated the > crowd. Don't forget the next Bike Night at Uncle > Jed's in Bethesda, MD > on Sunday, August 26th. We'll do our best to have > good weather for it! > > Chuck > > -- > "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is > exactly what it is." > -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 09:19:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DDJi623615 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Whetu@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id r.fe.a8dd087 (15895); Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web42.aolmail.aol.com (web42.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.3]) by air-id08.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID810-0813091926; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:19:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:19:26 EDT From: Whetu@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night - Thanks everyone! To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: >[Mark wrote:] >I second the thanks.....and I promise not to pick the >next date because it rains every time I do! Yeah, I'm starting to think bike night causes rain. You should talk to the Dept. of Interior about scheduling one wherever those wildfires are out West. I was stuck in Beltsville w/a gas tank that was 1/4 full of water...carbs don't like that much. -Euan whetu@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 09:27:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DDR8623814 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-6.patriot.net [209.249.181.6]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f7DDR6w28739 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:27:06 -0400 Message-ID: <3B77D439.8C4EA68F@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:20:58 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Crystal City Bikers.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shortly before I left on a vacation putt, someone suggested that the bikers who regularly commute to Crystal City get up for lunch. So how about it? Let's pick a place and a day and do it. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 09:52:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DDqU624209 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:49:21 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:57:03 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Cc: Subject: OCT 22- School/Track Day - Alex Dydula] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f7DDqY624210 Hey Everyone, If anyone is interested in a special track day with lots of track time, see the message below. I rode with Alex at a recent track day at VIR, he is a great rider and instructor/control rider. George Cole Hello! Thanks for the reply! I am sorry you cant make it, I understand, would you do me a favor and forward this note to any riders/racers you know that might want/need a really high 'quality' School /Track Day? Thank you very much!! Alex!! Hello! I am a control rider and instructor at many events with different track clubs/orgs... I also rent Roebling Road in Savannah several times a year for very small groups (cost) to have a really special day for just a little more than a normal track day... You get up to 7 hrs of track time and no BS, no lines, now crowds etc... I also offer "One on One' Instruction and coaching to those that want it for a little more...lecture/drills/bike setup etc... October 22 is my next date. Check out my website at www.mindspring.com/~adydula IF you know of any struggling riders/racers that want/need a real practice day with tons and tons of track time let them know! Thanks Alex Dydula WERA #123 NOTE: THIS IS NOT MEANT TO COMPETE WITH THE MANY FINE TRACK ORGS OUT THERE. THIS IS A VERY SPECAIL "LOW KEY EVENT" VERY Limited and very focused! Alexander S. Dydula" From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 10:47:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f61.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DEli625121 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:36:03 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:36:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Questions from a beginning cyclist Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:36:03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2001 14:36:03.0820 (UTC) FILETIME=[47A02AC0:01C12405] I think the advise to buy a small used bike as your first bike is very good. You don't know how much you actually will use the bike until you've got one. And you don't want to hurt yourself too bad before you know you like it. I went even smaller. I bought a very lightly used Kawasaki 1988 EL-250 abut 10 years ago when I got back into motorcycling. I have a 29 inseam and wanted to be able to put both feet on the ground flat footed. I kept it for about a year and a half, put 10,000 miles on it, then sold it for only $200 less than what I bought it for. It was easy to handle. I got my VA endorsement by reviewing the VA motorcycling saftey handbook and practicing around the 'hood. Since you have to supply your own bike, you might as well supply an easy riding one. Oh, you supposedly can't ride it to the test yourself, although I know quite a few who have! I took both the written and riding "test" without taking any classes. Once I got my licence I rode that thing as much as I could AND took the VA course offered through NOVA. HAVE FUN!!!! Doug Allis DHAllis@XXXXXX w: 202-482-5985 h: 703-912-9576 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 10:58:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3803.mail.yahoo.com (web3803.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.111.174]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DEwq625352 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010813145851.11623.qmail@web3803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web3803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:58:51 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: DCCycles.com Site Down Temporarily To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Listers: Due to a lightning strike last night, the dccycles.com server is temporarily down. Mike Troutman, our generous host for the site, is working on getting the server up and running again. In the meantime, please bear with us. When the site comes back up, there will be a new photos page with pictures from the WERA National weekend at Summit Point on August 4-5 courtesy of list member George Cole. This includes YSR50 exhibition race and pit photos and .MOV movie files, as well as footage from the rest of the races. I will post here to the list when the site is back up. Thanks for your patience, Chris Weaver dccycles.com webmaster ===== Chris Weaver VTR1000 YSR50 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 11:42:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f60.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DFg3626118 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:30:49 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:30:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: brown@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:30:48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2001 15:30:49.0065 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDC8C590:01C1240C] Fri, 10 Aug 2001 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: >why do they use chains instead of shafts on sportbikes? >what are the drawbacks again? Chains are cheaper and lighter. With a chain its possible to easily change top end speed and torque characteristics by changing sprocket sizes. They are perfect for low mileage sport bikes that may be used for racing and where manufacturers are trying to reduce weight and increase profit. Since most sport bikes are ridden less than 2,500 miles a year the owner probably won't care that the chain should be cleaned, oiled and checked for adjustment every 500 miles and replaced every 10,000-20,000 miles. On the other hand most REAL tour, and many of the better sport-tour, bikes have shaft drive. Riders who put 500 miles on a bike in a day and 10-15,000 miles a year don't want to be oiling and adjusting a chain as much as every day on a trip and spending $200 on a new set of sprockets and chains every year! Those who claim that they experience rear end lifting from a shaft are probably only letting their imagination get to them or there is something really wrong with the shaft. I've had both. I think chains are better for real sport bikes and racers. Shafts are better for those who tour and commute. So what kind of biking are you doing? I do suggest that that if you have chain drive you also have a center stand. It makes chain maintenance easier. Doug Allis DHAllis@XXXXXX w: 202-482-5985 h: 703-912-9576 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 11:53:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DFr0626301 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-120-10.s518.tnt9.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.120.10] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15WK1S-0000P5-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:52:59 -0400 Message-ID: <00df01c12410$10803980$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <20010812211214.84090.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Questions from a beginning cyclist Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:29:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 The standby policy has changed in that people who "camp" outside the classroom are no longer allowed to fill vacancies. Call the community college number on www.learn2ride.org for more details. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Lamond > 1) getting into an MSF class is hard. I believe > Alexandria has a walk in policy to allow people to > take the place of no-shows. Paul Wilson or matthew > Patton can probably say more on this. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 11:53:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DFr1626303 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-120-10.s518.tnt9.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.120.10] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15WK1Q-0000P5-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:52:57 -0400 Message-ID: <00de01c12410$0f62e2a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <75.192adab4.28a848e8@aol.com> Subject: Re: Questions from a beginning cyclist Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:27:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DC does not have a MSF program. If you call MSF toll free number in Irvine, you'll get a system where you punch in your zip code. If you punch in a DC zip, you'll get a recording asking you to call a different number. Enter a MD or VA zip to get info on those states. The VA program's web site is www.learn2ride.org Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: > > 1. Virginia & Maryland both offer MSF courses. I don't know about DC or not. > However, they book up FAST. You probably won't be able to get into one > until early next year. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 11:54:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11001.mail.yahoo.com (web11001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DFsd626333 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010813155438.50161.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11001.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:54:38 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:54:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I personally do not like shafties. I have a real sport tourer (one of the better ones if you ask me) and it is chain driven. Try finding a shaft to fit your bike in the middle of WVA. Can't be done quickly. Any decent bike shop will have a chain to fit. I have a scott oiler on my bike. A couple presses on a button at low speed and the chain is oiled. As far as adjusting the chain I have only adjusted it once when I changed tires. I check my sprockets too. no wear. The minimal amount of maintenance on a chain does not make it less attractive that a shaft. Shafts are heavy, expensive, and awkward for do it yourselfers. Trey '99 Triumph Trophy 1200 (chain driven art) --- Doug Allis wrote: > Fri, 10 Aug 2001 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > >why do they use chains instead of shafts on > sportbikes? > >what are the drawbacks again? > > Chains are cheaper and lighter. With a chain its > possible to easily change > top end speed and torque characteristics by changing > sprocket sizes. They > are perfect for low mileage sport bikes that may be > used for racing and > where manufacturers are trying to reduce weight and > increase profit. > > Since most sport bikes are ridden less than 2,500 > miles a year the owner > probably won't care that the chain should be > cleaned, oiled and checked for > adjustment every 500 miles and replaced every > 10,000-20,000 miles. > > On the other hand most REAL tour, and many of the > better sport-tour, bikes > have shaft drive. Riders who put 500 miles on a bike > in a day and 10-15,000 > miles a year don't want to be oiling and adjusting a > chain as much as every > day on a trip and spending $200 on a new set of > sprockets and chains every > year! > > Those who claim that they experience rear end > lifting from a shaft are > probably only letting their imagination get to them > or there is something > really wrong with the shaft. > > I've had both. I think chains are better for real > sport bikes and racers. > Shafts are better for those who tour and commute. > > So what kind of biking are you doing? > > I do suggest that that if you have chain drive you > also have a center stand. > It makes chain maintenance easier. > > > Doug Allis > DHAllis@XXXXXX > w: 202-482-5985 > h: 703-912-9576 > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 11:55:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DFth626353 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-120-10.s518.tnt9.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.120.10] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15WK46-0001Ry-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:55:43 -0400 Message-ID: <00f501c12410$72623540$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Oops, correct VA MSF URL Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:55:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 The correct address for the VA Rider training program is www.learn2ride.com , not dot org, as I posted....twice. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 12:03:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f208.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.208]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DG3Y626504 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:03:27 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:03:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ipcrc@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:03:27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2001 16:03:27.0644 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D3035C0:01C12411] OK, I just came back from a quick long weekend trip to Syracuse NY via Rt 81. Which on my PC-800 was OK. For a superslab, I-81 through PA to Syracuse NY is kind of fun in spots, plus I know some fun roads around the Finger Lakes once I got there. But are there any more curvy and fun rides through PA that wind up in the eastern Finger Lakes, southwest of Syracuse? I tried PA's Rts 309, 209 and 443 in PA. Rt 309 takes you thru the most congested, small, ugly, depressed, coal towns I've ever seen in my life. Rt 209 was too straight, and then it was blocked (with no detour signs!). Rt 443 is rather nice but short and ends at Rt 81. Any suggestions for a route thru PA that is any real fun? Doug Allis DHAllis@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 12:21:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10505.mail.yahoo.com (web10505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.155]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DGL3626842 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010813162102.48882.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.112.92] by web10505.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:21:02 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:21:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Bike Night - Thanks everyone! To: Mark Kitchell , the_penas@XXXXXX, DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20010813130646.44190.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Glad you had a good turn out. I would have been there but I was busy returning from Deals Gap, watching tractor trailers jack knife into the median on I-81. Wheee, what fun driving in the rain. :) Todd W. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I second the thanks.....and I promise not to pick > the > next date because it rains every time I do! > > Mark > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > Another rainy evening put a damper (not one of > those > > steering doohickies > > to help prevent/control tankslappers -- please see > > the other thread!) on > > Bike Night last night at CarPool. Nonetheless, we > > had a pretty good > > turnout. People came either on 2-wheels or in > their > > cages (I fell into > > the latter category), depending on their own > > personal weather > > predictions and tolerance for wet weather riding. > > If I didn't get > > around to say "Hi!" to everyone, it's because I > was > > chasing my 2-year > > old daughter, Marin, around (the only person under > > 21 they allowed in!) > > Thanks again for coming out. I know the guys at > > CarPool appreciated the > > crowd. Don't forget the next Bike Night at Uncle > > Jed's in Bethesda, MD > > on Sunday, August 26th. We'll do our best to have > > good weather for it! > > > > Chuck > > > > -- > > "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is > > exactly what it is." > > -- Buckaroo Banzai > > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas > > > ===== > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! > Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 12:28:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f100.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DGSB626930 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:28:05 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:28:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: trey_22206@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:28:05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2001 16:28:05.0501 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE0F4AD0:01C12414] Ummmm Ahem...... why on earth would you EVER need a shaft for your bike in West Virgina? Thats like replacing the drive shaft on a car?! Do you know what you would have to do do to your motorcycle that you would EVER HAVE to replace a shaft? I know folks who've ridden shaft bikes for a over 100,000 miles, who've never replaced a shaft. For my bike I have to lube the spleens at every rear tire change, add gear oil when I change the oil every 4,000 miles, change it every 24,000 miles and thats it.... But in my opinion the Triumph Trophy is NOT a very good tourer out of the box. The fact that you had to install an oiler proves it. A SPORT-tour bike, with the accent on sport, it is... . I've ridden it. It was not comfy (for me) for more than 100 miles. Its a sport bike with nice rear bags and a better than average fairing. I've heard that Triumph has not been able to work out the engineering for a shaft drive. But for me they'd have to change the ergos before that bike was a sport-tour bike. I've ridden the Honda ST-1100 and the Trophy, the PC-800 and a few others. I liked the Trophy, but found that my hands got numb. Have you ever really ridden that thing 500 to 1,000 miles a day for several days in a row? I know my butt couldn't do it.... Doug Allis DHAllis@XXXXXX w: 202-482-5985 h: 703-912-9576 >From: Trey Herb >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:54:38 -0700 (PDT) > >I personally do not like shafties. I have a real sport >tourer (one of the better ones if you ask me) and it >is chain driven. Try finding a shaft to fit your bike >in the middle of WVA. Can't be done quickly. Any >decent bike shop will have a chain to fit. I have a >scott oiler on my bike. A couple presses on a button >at low speed and the chain is oiled. As far as >adjusting the chain I have only adjusted it once when >I changed tires. I check my sprockets too. no wear. >The minimal amount of maintenance on a chain does not >make it less attractive that a shaft. Shafts are >heavy, expensive, and awkward for do it yourselfers. > >Trey > >'99 Triumph Trophy 1200 (chain driven art) > >--- Doug Allis wrote: > > Fri, 10 Aug 2001 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > >why do they use chains instead of shafts on > > sportbikes? > > >what are the drawbacks again? > > > > Chains are cheaper and lighter. With a chain its > > possible to easily change > > top end speed and torque characteristics by changing > > sprocket sizes. They > > are perfect for low mileage sport bikes that may be > > used for racing and > > where manufacturers are trying to reduce weight and > > increase profit. > > > > Since most sport bikes are ridden less than 2,500 > > miles a year the owner > > probably won't care that the chain should be > > cleaned, oiled and checked for > > adjustment every 500 miles and replaced every > > 10,000-20,000 miles. > > > > On the other hand most REAL tour, and many of the > > better sport-tour, bikes > > have shaft drive. Riders who put 500 miles on a bike > > in a day and 10-15,000 > > miles a year don't want to be oiling and adjusting a > > chain as much as every > > day on a trip and spending $200 on a new set of > > sprockets and chains every > > year! > > > > Those who claim that they experience rear end > > lifting from a shaft are > > probably only letting their imagination get to them > > or there is something > > really wrong with the shaft. > > > > I've had both. I think chains are better for real > > sport bikes and racers. > > Shafts are better for those who tour and commute. > > > > So what kind of biking are you doing? > > > > I do suggest that that if you have chain drive you > > also have a center stand. > > It makes chain maintenance easier. > > > > > > Doug Allis > > DHAllis@XXXXXX > > w: 202-482-5985 > > h: 703-912-9576 > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 12:42:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11001.mail.yahoo.com (web11001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DGgq627186 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010813164251.59768.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11001.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:42:51 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:42:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've done several 800 mile plus days on it. And out of the box your right about the ergos but genmar risers and a corbin take care of that.The fact that I installed an oiler has nothing to with the bike being a good sport/tourer or not. I don't know of a bike that comes with an oiler. And I would never need a shaft for my bike in West Virginia because I don't have one. As long as the chain and sprockets are maintained (which takes a little more time than your maintenance)the chain is better than the shaft because you can adjust gear ratios, it weighs less, costs less to replace, and is easier to repair. But to each their own. Trey "Thats like replacing the drive shaft on a car?!" You're right it is. --- Doug Allis wrote: > Ummmm Ahem...... why on earth would you EVER need a > shaft for your bike in > West Virgina? Thats like replacing the drive shaft > on a car?! Do you know > what you would have to do do to your motorcycle that > you would EVER HAVE to > replace a shaft? I know folks who've ridden shaft > bikes for a over 100,000 > miles, who've never replaced a shaft. For my bike I > have to lube the spleens > at every rear tire change, add gear oil when I > change the oil every 4,000 > miles, change it every 24,000 miles and thats it.... > > But in my opinion the Triumph Trophy is NOT a very > good tourer out of the > box. The fact that you had to install an oiler > proves it. A SPORT-tour > bike, with the accent on sport, it is... . I've > ridden it. It was not comfy > (for me) for more than 100 miles. Its a sport bike > with nice rear bags and a > better than average fairing. I've heard that Triumph > has not been able to > work out the engineering for a shaft drive. But for > me they'd have to > change the ergos before that bike was a sport-tour > bike. I've ridden the > Honda ST-1100 and the Trophy, the PC-800 and a few > others. I liked the > Trophy, but found that my hands got numb. Have you > ever really ridden that > thing 500 to 1,000 miles a day for several days in a > row? I know my butt > couldn't do it.... > > Doug Allis > DHAllis@XXXXXX > w: 202-482-5985 > h: 703-912-9576 > > > >From: Trey Herb > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains > >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:54:38 -0700 (PDT) > > > >I personally do not like shafties. I have a real > sport > >tourer (one of the better ones if you ask me) and > it > >is chain driven. Try finding a shaft to fit your > bike > >in the middle of WVA. Can't be done quickly. Any > >decent bike shop will have a chain to fit. I have a > >scott oiler on my bike. A couple presses on a > button > >at low speed and the chain is oiled. As far as > >adjusting the chain I have only adjusted it once > when > >I changed tires. I check my sprockets too. no > wear. > >The minimal amount of maintenance on a chain does > not > >make it less attractive that a shaft. Shafts are > >heavy, expensive, and awkward for do it > yourselfers. > > > >Trey > > > >'99 Triumph Trophy 1200 (chain driven art) > > > >--- Doug Allis wrote: > > > Fri, 10 Aug 2001 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > wrote: > > > > > > >why do they use chains instead of shafts on > > > sportbikes? > > > >what are the drawbacks again? > > > > > > Chains are cheaper and lighter. With a chain its > > > possible to easily change > > > top end speed and torque characteristics by > changing > > > sprocket sizes. They > > > are perfect for low mileage sport bikes that may > be > > > used for racing and > > > where manufacturers are trying to reduce weight > and > > > increase profit. > > > > > > Since most sport bikes are ridden less than > 2,500 > > > miles a year the owner > > > probably won't care that the chain should be > > > cleaned, oiled and checked for > > > adjustment every 500 miles and replaced every > > > 10,000-20,000 miles. > > > > > > On the other hand most REAL tour, and many of > the > > > better sport-tour, bikes > > > have shaft drive. Riders who put 500 miles on a > bike > > > in a day and 10-15,000 > > > miles a year don't want to be oiling and > adjusting a > > > chain as much as every > > > day on a trip and spending $200 on a new set of > > > sprockets and chains every > > > year! > > > > > > Those who claim that they experience rear end > > > lifting from a shaft are > > > probably only letting their imagination get to > them > > > or there is something > > > really wrong with the shaft. > > > > > > I've had both. I think chains are better for > real > > > sport bikes and racers. > > > Shafts are better for those who tour and > commute. > > > > > > So what kind of biking are you doing? > > > > > > I do suggest that that if you have chain drive > you > > > also have a center stand. > > > It makes chain maintenance easier. > > > > > > > > > Doug Allis > > > DHAllis@XXXXXX > > > w: 202-482-5985 > > > h: 703-912-9576 > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Send instant messages & get email alerts with > Yahoo! Messenger. > >http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 12:43:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DGhG627198 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQlbxq01155 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:43:16 GMT Received: from [153.39.127.148] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: dhcppool127-148.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.127.148]) id QQlbxq13852 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:41:26 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010813155438.50161.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010813155438.50161.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:41:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I personally do not like shafties. I have a real sport >tourer (one of the better ones if you ask me) and it >is chain driven. Try finding a shaft to fit your bike >in the middle of WVA. What the hell is that supposed to mean? Shaft-drives don't just suddenly fail, or blow up. As my father pointed out, he has 66,000 miles on his shaft driven GSX1100G. From what I can determine, the Trophy makes the same amount of power (if not a little less!), so obivously a shaftie can handle the strain. And as many other listers can attest, many of those miles were not spent tooling around at 55 mph in a straight line. > Can't be done quickly. Any decent bike shop will have a chain to fit. How many "decent bike shop" are there in the "middle of WVA"? There is NOTHING in the middle of WVA. That's why people like to ride there. >I have a scott oiler on my bike. A couple presses on a button >at low speed and the chain is oiled. A Scott-oiler doesn't keep a chain from stretching. And that's what chains do under normal usage. Stretch. (Among other things. >As far as adjusting the chain I have only adjusted it once when >I changed tires. I check my sprockets too. no wear. >The minimal amount of maintenance on a chain does not >make it less attractive that a shaft. How much are you riding it? "Mininmal" is not the word most often associated with chains. Most manuals typically suggest adjusting the chain every 500 miles. Now, I've never owned a Triumph, so they might have longer adjustment intervals. But I would bet the cost of a chain that if you've only ever adjust your chain once, it's out of adjustment now. >Shafts are heavy, expensive, and awkward for do it yourselfers. Agreed, they can be awkward to work with. But it's more likely that you're engine will die before the shaft drive does! -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 12:55:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DGtv627369 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-114-204.s204.tnt9.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.114.204] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15WL0J-00038E-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:55:51 -0400 Message-ID: <01a901c12418$d8e3b020$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: U-Boat ride across WV (long-part 1) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:53:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Here's an account of my thousand-mile weekend trip, with a few lessons learned interspersed. I've been blessed so far on my long-distance trips of having good weather. My luck ran out this weekend on a trip to visit my folks in Ohio. I planned a route to hit the maximum twisties in WV and Ohio and I enticed a friend from Virginia to join me on the way out. On Friday we headed to Seneca Rocks on route 55 and then worked west to Philippi on routes 33, 72 and 38. On 72 it started to rain, lightly, but every corner was strewn with gravel and some cases sticky red mud, which ranks somewhere between ice and diesel fuel in slipperiness. For a state highway, 72 is a very poor road, with no centerlines or shoulders and seemingly little maintenance. After regaining good pavement and leaving the rain behind, we had a pretty fast romp over to Clarksburg, where we picked up route 20, which offers non-stop twisties and sweepers all the way to the Ohio River. In the dry and with little traffic, this promised to be a fun and fast ride. It was not to be. Somewhere in the middle, cars in the opposing lanes started flashing their lights and then a fire-fighter appeared with an orange flag. "Can't let ya through, wires down. No telling when the power company will be here." I spotted a smoking power pole in the distance. He muttered something about a detour. The skies blackened. I thought about donning my rain gear. Which brings me to Lesson #1. If you have the slightest inkling you need your rain gear, PUT YOUR RAIN GEAR ON. Sorry to shout. But we were rushed because the vehicles behind us were turning around to lead the detour. Having only an auto club map, I had not a clue how to navigate the back roads in area, so we hurriedly mounted up and followed the other vehicles, straight into a deluge. Needless to say perfed leathers ward off a hard rain for about a second. Then it turned into a muddy deluge as we left the highway and turned on to a rutted, muddy mess of road which climbed over two ridges, complete with hair-raising hairpin turns. Pavement was undetermined. I think it was a gravel road, but all I saw was mud and torrents of water. Of course, the VFR is hardly the best mount for such conditions, but somehow I managed to keep her upright with careful throttle control and rear brake application. The worst part was not being able to see through rain-streaked faceshield and steamed up glasses. After what seemed like an eternity we reached pavement again. My riding companion headed back to the DC area and I continued into Ohio. Southeast Ohio lives up to its billing and I plotted a course on some wonderfully twisty roads. My enthusiasm was dampened a bit by the generous piles of gravel, mud and debris that the storm had washed onto the road. I engaged some serious sphincter pucker on one corner which was covered by muddy slop. You have to read the pavement ahead very carefully for anything that looks "off." Lesson #2: Highway crews usually put up signs for a reason. Case in point: "Road subject to flooding" said the sign. Mental note: look for water. OK, water spotted, looks like a shallow puddle. Slow a little. FOOM!! I hit a foot deep stretch of water at about 35 to 40 mph. Boots instantly fill with water through the open vents. Water plumes up over my head. By chance I had had the presence of mind to stop in the last town to finally put on rain gear after my leathers dried a little from the last episode. OK, don't panic, downshift... downshift damn it (engine please don't stall) and ride through. Engine doesn't stall, my heart nearly jumps out of my chest, but I keep moving and stay upright. I guess the VFR's electricals are very well waterproofed. I finally pulled up at my parents house, after covering almost 500 miles and some of those were very hard work. I arrived pretty tired, but also with a sense of accomplishment. My skills had been tested that day and in unexpected ways. Corner-strafing on dry, smooth pavement was relatively easy by comparison to some of that stuff. Stay tuned for part two, the even wetter ride back to DC. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson Here's an account of my thousand-mile weekend trip, with a few lessons learned interspersed. I've been blessed so far on my long-distance trips of having good weather. My luck ran out this weekend on a trip to visit my folks in Ohio. I planned a route to hit the maximum twisties in WV and Ohio and I enticed a friend from Virginia to join me on the way out. On Friday we headed to Seneca Rocks on route 55 and then worked west to Philippi on routes 33, 72 and 38. On 72 it started to rain, lightly, but every corner was strewn with gravel and some cases sticky red mud, which ranks somewhere between ice and diesel fuel in slipperiness. For a state highway, 72 is a very poor road, with no centerlines or shoulders and seemingly little maintenance. After regaining good pavement and leaving the rain behind, we had a pretty fast romp over to Clarksburg, where we picked up route 20, which offers non-stop twisties and sweepers all the way to the Ohio River. In the dry and with little traffic, this promised to be a fun and fast ride. It was not to be. Somewhere in the middle, cars in the opposing lanes started flashing their lights and then a fire-fighter appeared with an orange flag. "Can't let ya through, wires down. No telling when the power company will be here." I spotted a smoking power pole in the distance. He muttered something about a detour. The skies blackened. I thought about donning my rain gear. Which brings me to Lesson #1. If you have the slightest inkling you need your rain gear, PUT YOUR RAIN GEAR ON. Sorry to shout. But we were rushed because the vehicles behind us were turning around to lead the detour. Having only an auto club map, I had not a clue how to navigate the back roads in area, so we hurriedly mounted up and followed the other vehicles, straight into a deluge. Needless to say perfed leathers ward off a hard rain for about a second. Then it turned into a muddy deluge as we left the highway and turned on to a rutted, muddy mess of road which climbed over two ridges, complete with hair-raising hairpin turns. Pavement was undetermined. I think it was a gravel road, but all I saw was mud and torrents of water. Of course, the VFR is hardly the best mount for such conditions, but somehow I managed to keep her upright with careful throttle control and rear brake application. The worst part was not being able to see through rain-streaked faceshield and steamed up glasses. After what seemed like an eternity we reached pavement again. My riding companion headed back to the DC area and I continued into Ohio. Southeast Ohio lives up to its billing and I plotted a course on some wonderfully twisty roads. My enthusiasm was dampened a bit by the generous piles of gravel, mud and debris that the storm had washed onto the road. I engaged some serious sphincter pucker on one corner which was covered by muddy slop. You have to read the pavement ahead very carefully for anything that looks "off." Lesson #2: Highway crews usually put up signs for a reason. Case in point: "Road subject to flooding" said the sign. Mental note: look for water. OK, water spotted, looks like a shallow puddle. Slow a little. FOOM!! I hit a foot deep stretch of water at about 35 to 40 mph. Boots instantly fill with water through the open vents. Water plumes up over my head. By chance I had had the presence of mind to stop in the last town to finally put on rain gear after my leathers dried a little from the last episode. OK, don't panic, downshift... downshift damn it (engine please don't stall) and ride through. Engine doesn't stall, my heart nearly jumps out of my chest, but I keep moving and stay upright. I guess the VFR's electricals are very well waterproofed. I finally pulled up at my parents house, after covering almost 500 miles and some of those were very hard work. I arrived pretty tired, but also with a sense of accomplishment. My skills had been tested that day and in unexpected ways. Corner-strafing on dry, smooth pavement was relatively easy by comparison to some of that stuff. Stay tuned for part two, the even wetter ride back to DC. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson Here's an account of my thousand-mile weekend trip, with a few lessons learned interspersed. I've been blessed so far on my long-distance trips of having good weather. My luck ran out this weekend on a trip to visit my folks in Ohio. I planned a route to hit the maximum twisties in WV and Ohio and I enticed a friend from Virginia to join me on the way out. On Friday we headed to Seneca Rocks on route 55 and then worked west to Philippi on routes 33, 72 and 38. On 72 it started to rain, lightly, but every corner was strewn with gravel and some cases sticky red mud, which ranks somewhere between ice and diesel fuel in slipperiness. For a state highway, 72 is a very poor road, with no centerlines or shoulders and seemingly little maintenance. After regaining good pavement and leaving the rain behind, we had a pretty fast romp over to Clarksburg, where we picked up route 20, which offers non-stop twisties and sweepers all the way to the Ohio River. In the dry and with little traffic, this promised to be a fun and fast ride. It was not to be. Somewhere in the middle, cars in the opposing lanes started flashing their lights and then a fire-fighter appeared with an orange flag. "Can't let ya through, wires down. No telling when the power company will be here." I spotted a smoking power pole in the distance. He muttered something about a detour. The skies blackened. I thought about donning my rain gear. Which brings me to Lesson #1. If you have the slightest inkling you need your rain gear, PUT YOUR RAIN GEAR ON. Sorry to shout. But we were rushed because the vehicles behind us were turning around to lead the detour. Having only an auto club map, I had not a clue how to navigate the back roads in area, so we hurriedly mounted up and followed the other vehicles, straight into a deluge. Needless to say perfed leathers ward off a hard rain for about a second. Then it turned into a muddy deluge as we left the highway and turned on to a rutted, muddy mess of road which climbed over two ridges, complete with hair-raising hairpin turns. Pavement was undetermined. I think it was a gravel road, but all I saw was mud and torrents of water. Of course, the VFR is hardly the best mount for such conditions, but somehow I managed to keep her upright with careful throttle control and rear brake application. The worst part was not being able to see through rain-streaked faceshield and steamed up glasses. After what seemed like an eternity we reached pavement again. My riding companion headed back to the DC area and I continued into Ohio. Southeast Ohio lives up to its billing and I plotted a course on some wonderfully twisty roads. My enthusiasm was dampened a bit by the generous piles of gravel, mud and debris that the storm had washed onto the road. I engaged some serious sphincter pucker on one corner which was covered by muddy slop. You have to read the pavement ahead very carefully for anything that looks "off." Lesson #2: Highway crews usually put up signs for a reason. Case in point: "Road subject to flooding" said the sign. Mental note: look for water. OK, water spotted, looks like a shallow puddle. Slow a little. FOOM!! I hit a foot deep stretch of water at about 35 to 40 mph. Boots instantly fill with water through the open vents. Water plumes up over my head. By chance I had had the presence of mind to stop in the last town to finally put on rain gear after my leathers dried a little from the last episode. OK, don't panic, downshift... downshift damn it (engine please don't stall) and ride through. Engine doesn't stall, my heart nearly jumps out of my chest, but I keep moving and stay upright. I guess the VFR's electricals are very well waterproofed. I finally pulled up at my parents house, after covering almost 500 miles and some of those were very hard work. I arrived pretty tired, but also with a sense of accomplishment. My skills had been tested that day and in unexpected ways. Corner-strafing on dry, smooth pavement was relatively easy by comparison to some of that stuff. Stay tuned for part two, the even wetter ride back to DC. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson Here's an account of my thousand-mile weekend trip, with a few lessons learned interspersed. I've been blessed so far on my long-distance trips of having good weather. My luck ran out this weekend on a trip to visit my folks in Ohio. I planned a route to hit the maximum twisties in WV and Ohio and I enticed a friend from Virginia to join me on the way out. On Friday we headed to Seneca Rocks on route 55 and then worked west to Philippi on routes 33, 72 and 38. On 72 it started to rain, lightly, but every corner was strewn with gravel and some cases sticky red mud, which ranks somewhere between ice and diesel fuel in slipperiness. For a state highway, 72 is a very poor road, with no centerlines or shoulders and seemingly little maintenance. After regaining good pavement and leaving the rain behind, we had a pretty fast romp over to Clarksburg, where we picked up route 20, which offers non-stop twisties and sweepers all the way to the Ohio River. In the dry and with little traffic, this promised to be a fun and fast ride. It was not to be. Somewhere in the middle, cars in the opposing lanes started flashing their lights and then a fire-fighter appeared with an orange flag. "Can't let ya through, wires down. No telling when the power company will be here." I spotted a smoking power pole in the distance. He muttered something about a detour. The skies blackened. I thought about donning my rain gear. Which brings me to Lesson #1. If you have the slightest inkling you need your rain gear, PUT YOUR RAIN GEAR ON. Sorry to shout. But we were rushed because the vehicles behind us were turning around to lead the detour. Having only an auto club map, I had not a clue how to navigate the back roads in area, so we hurriedly mounted up and followed the other vehicles, straight into a deluge. Needless to say perfed leathers ward off a hard rain for about a second. Then it turned into a muddy deluge as we left the highway and turned on to a rutted, muddy mess of road which climbed over two ridges, complete with hair-raising hairpin turns. Pavement was undetermined. I think it was a gravel road, but all I saw was mud and torrents of water. Of course, the VFR is hardly the best mount for such conditions, but somehow I managed to keep her upright with careful throttle control and rear brake application. The worst part was not being able to see through rain-streaked faceshield and steamed up glasses. After what seemed like an eternity we reached pavement again. My riding companion headed back to the DC area and I continued into Ohio. Southeast Ohio lives up to its billing and I plotted a course on some wonderfully twisty roads. My enthusiasm was dampened a bit by the generous piles of gravel, mud and debris that the storm had washed onto the road. I engaged some serious sphincter pucker on one corner which was covered by muddy slop. You have to read the pavement ahead very carefully for anything that looks "off." Lesson #2: Highway crews usually put up signs for a reason. Case in point: "Road subject to flooding" said the sign. Mental note: look for water. OK, water spotted, looks like a shallow puddle. Slow a little. FOOM!! I hit a foot deep stretch of water at about 35 to 40 mph. Boots instantly fill with water through the open vents. Water plumes up over my head. By chance I had had the presence of mind to stop in the last town to finally put on rain gear after my leathers dried a little from the last episode. OK, don't panic, downshift... downshift damn it (engine please don't stall) and ride through. Engine doesn't stall, my heart nearly jumps out of my chest, but I keep moving and stay upright. I guess the VFR's electricals are very well waterproofed. I finally pulled up at my parents house, after covering almost 500 miles and some of those were very hard work. I arrived pretty tired, but also with a sense of accomplishment. My skills had been tested that day and in unexpected ways. Corner-strafing on dry, smooth pavement was relatively easy by comparison to some of that stuff. Stay tuned for part two, the even wetter ride back to DC. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson Here's an account of my thousand-mile weekend trip, with a few lessons learned interspersed. I've been blessed so far on my long-distance trips of having good weather. My luck ran out this weekend on a trip to visit my folks in Ohio. I planned a route to hit the maximum twisties in WV and Ohio and I enticed a friend from Virginia to join me on the way out. On Friday we headed to Seneca Rocks on route 55 and then worked west to Philippi on routes 33, 72 and 38. On 72 it started to rain, lightly, but every corner was strewn with gravel and some cases sticky red mud, which ranks somewhere between ice and diesel fuel in slipperiness. For a state highway, 72 is a very poor road, with no centerlines or shoulders and seemingly little maintenance. After regaining good pavement and leaving the rain behind, we had a pretty fast romp over to Clarksburg, where we picked up route 20, which offers non-stop twisties and sweepers all the way to the Ohio River. In the dry and with little traffic, this promised to be a fun and fast ride. It was not to be. Somewhere in the middle, cars in the opposing lanes started flashing their lights and then a fire-fighter appeared with an orange flag. "Can't let ya through, wires down. No telling when the power company will be here." I spotted a smoking power pole in the distance. He muttered something about a detour. The skies blackened. I thought about donning my rain gear. Which brings me to Lesson #1. If you have the slightest inkling you need your rain gear, PUT YOUR RAIN GEAR ON. Sorry to shout. But we were rushed because the vehicles behind us were turning around to lead the detour. Having only an auto club map, I had not a clue how to navigate the back roads in area, so we hurriedly mounted up and followed the other vehicles, straight into a deluge. Needless to say perfed leathers ward off a hard rain for about a second. Then it turned into a muddy deluge as we left the highway and turned on to a rutted, muddy mess of road which climbed over two ridges, complete with hair-raising hairpin turns. Pavement was undetermined. I think it was a gravel road, but all I saw was mud and torrents of water. Of course, the VFR is hardly the best mount for such conditions, but somehow I managed to keep her upright with careful throttle control and rear brake application. The worst part was not being able to see through rain-streaked faceshield and steamed up glasses. After what seemed like an eternity we reached pavement again. My riding companion headed back to the DC area and I continued into Ohio. Southeast Ohio lives up to its billing and I plotted a course on some wonderfully twisty roads. My enthusiasm was dampened a bit by the generous piles of gravel, mud and debris that the storm had washed onto the road. I engaged some serious sphincter pucker on one corner which was covered by muddy slop. You have to read the pavement ahead very carefully for anything that looks "off." Lesson #2: Highway crews usually put up signs for a reason. Case in point: "Road subject to flooding" said the sign. Mental note: look for water. OK, water spotted, looks like a shallow puddle. Slow a little. FOOM!! I hit a foot deep stretch of water at about 35 to 40 mph. Boots instantly fill with water through the open vents. Water plumes up over my head. By chance I had had the presence of mind to stop in the last town to finally put on rain gear after my leathers dried a little from the last episode. OK, don't panic, downshift... downshift damn it (engine please don't stall) and ride through. Engine doesn't stall, my heart nearly jumps out of my chest, but I keep moving and stay upright. I guess the VFR's electricals are very well waterproofed. I finally pulled up at my parents house, after covering almost 500 miles and some of those were very hard work. I arrived pretty tired, but also with a sense of accomplishment. My skills had been tested that day and in unexpected ways. Corner-strafing on dry, smooth pavement was relatively easy by comparison to some of that stuff. Stay tuned for part two, the even wetter ride back to DC. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 13:15:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DHFG627798 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id m.12e.2e614ef (15902); Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web29.aolmail.aol.com (web29.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.5]) by air-id09.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID95-0813131504; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:15:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:15:04 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: U-Boat ride across WV (long-part 1) To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <12e.2e614ef.28a96518@aol.com> Maybe it was a long post because it showed up in the body of the message 5 times. :-) Seriously, what I got had the same message 5 times. Anybody else? Anyway, sounds like a fun trip. =8-0 Glad you made it back OK. Scooter In a message dated Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:57:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Paul Wilson" writes: > Here's an account of my thousand-mile weekend trip, with a few lessons > learned interspersed. > > > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F > http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 13:20:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f117.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DHK1627888 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:08:07 -0700 Received: from 199.228.142.5 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:08:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: U-Boat ride across WV (long-part 1) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:08:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2001 17:08:07.0277 (UTC) FILETIME=[85A139D0:01C1241A] Paul, Good story. I liked all five versions... ;^) Perry >From: "Paul Wilson" >To: "dc-cycles list" >Subject: U-Boat ride across WV (long-part 1) >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:53:48 -0400 > >Here's an account of my thousand-mile weekend trip, with a few lessons >learned interspersed. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 13:49:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DHn1628287 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-88-183.s564.tnt6.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.88.183] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15WLpj-0000AI-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:48:59 -0400 Message-ID: <005a01c12420$44529220$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: U-boat ride across WV (long-part 2) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:48:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Part two (one copy this time, I promise!) After spending Saturday relaxing, visiting and doing *chain maintenance* ;) I prepared to head back to DC on Sunday. The forecast was ominous with flood warnings in the mountains. Leave it to the Weather Service and the Weather Channel to describe the movement of moist tropical air masses in excruciating detail, even though there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Oh well, time to don the rain gear and get going, knowing it was going to rain all day, and how. I rode about thirty miles before it really started coming down with gusto. I rode with a group of four Harley riders for a little bit, some two-up, some without rain gear, some without helmets, Ohio being a helmet-optional state. The temperature was about 70 and I was borderline cold in soaked gloves, dry leathers and rain suit. They were getting very wet and very cold and their speed seemed to verify that. I passed them with a friendly wave. I didn't see any other bikers for two hundred miles, and they were Wingers who gave we a big wave. I motored on and the rain would slacken for a bit, then pick up again. I forgot to put in ear plugs at one stop and the noise of the rain on the helmet became unbearable, so I pulled into a gas station with a large canopy. I continued on traveling on some beautiful roads, including Ohio 260 between Caldwell and New Matamoras. Gotta do that one again when it's dry. A wild turkey ran out in front of me on the road, but those things can really run and luckily he scooted safely out of the way. I crossed the Ohio River into W.Va. on the Fly-Sistersville ferry, which shaved about twenty miles off my route. I was determined to run WV Rt. 20 again and it was fun, although very wet with gravel and mud, and the occasional butt slow cager with nowhere to pass. This time the plan was to pick up US 50 across the remainder of the state and the western tip of Maryland, in lieu of Friday's route. Again it was with rain oscillating between drizzle and downpour, with heavy fog at the higher elevations. East of Grafton Rt. 50 is a nice wide road with lots of twisties and three major ascents and descents. I made the best of the situation. Speed was not an option, due to the inevitability of debris on the road, so I concentrated on being smooth with the gears and seamlessly managing the brake to throttle transitions, all the while being vigilant for any change in the pavement texture that could spell trouble. This sort of mental activity (90% of motorcycling as they say) helped me to stay alert under the constant mind-numbing sizzle of tires on wet pavement and the drumbeat of rain on the helmet. Actually the twisties help you stay focused. I find being on the super-slab, eating 18-wheeler mist, in the rain, to be the absolute worst. The VFR and the D205s handled well without complaint all day, although wet hands, clammy leathers and damp feet were starting to get a little old. After ten hours of that, partially due to lots of breaks, I finally rolled into DC, longing for a hot shower and hot meal. It had been another 450 miles in the saddle and the bike was dirty, but none the worse for wear. I'm ready to hit WV again, maybe some sunshine next time would be nice. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 14:22:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11001.mail.yahoo.com (web11001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DIM4628842 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010813182203.78732.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11001.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:22:03 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:22:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My chain is not nor has it ever been for very long out of adjustment. I check it frequently and it has only needed adjustment once which takes about 5 minutes to do. > Shaft-drives > don't just > suddenly fail, or blow up. Sure they do just not to you or your dad. > But it's more likely that > you're engine will die before the shaft drive does! Do you have stats to back this up or are quoting dad again. Try to convince me as you may I like chains. If you don't that's fine too. --- Sean Jordan wrote: > >I personally do not like shafties. I have a real > sport > >tourer (one of the better ones if you ask me) and > it > >is chain driven. Try finding a shaft to fit your > bike > >in the middle of WVA. > > What the hell is that supposed to mean? Shaft-drives > don't just > suddenly fail, or blow up. As my father pointed out, > he has 66,000 > miles on his shaft driven GSX1100G. From what I can > determine, the > Trophy makes the same amount of power (if not a > little less!), so > obivously a shaftie can handle the strain. And as > many other listers > can attest, many of those miles were not spent > tooling around at 55 > mph in a straight line. > > > Can't be done quickly. Any decent bike shop will > have a chain to fit. > > How many "decent bike shop" are there in the "middle > of WVA"? There > is NOTHING in the middle of WVA. That's why people > like to ride there. > > >I have a scott oiler on my bike. A couple presses > on a button > >at low speed and the chain is oiled. > > A Scott-oiler doesn't keep a chain from stretching. > And that's what > chains do under normal usage. Stretch. (Among other > things. > > >As far as adjusting the chain I have only adjusted > it once when > >I changed tires. I check my sprockets too. no > wear. > >The minimal amount of maintenance on a chain does > not > >make it less attractive that a shaft. > > How much are you riding it? "Mininmal" is not the > word most often > associated with chains. Most manuals typically > suggest adjusting the > chain every 500 miles. Now, I've never owned a > Triumph, so they might > have longer adjustment intervals. But I would bet > the cost of a chain > that if you've only ever adjust your chain once, > it's out of > adjustment now. > > >Shafts are heavy, expensive, and awkward for do it > yourselfers. > > Agreed, they can be awkward to work with. But it's > more likely that > you're engine will die before the shaft drive does! > > > > -- > "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of > death and the > skillful defiance of it." > > -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) > > Sean Jordan > Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing > '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) > '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) > WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 > http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 14:54:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DIsm629341 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-34.patriot.net [209.249.181.34]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f7DIsjw24306; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:54:45 -0400 Message-ID: <3B782105.9E9704A0@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:48:37 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Trey Herb CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains References: <20010813164251.59768.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trey Herb wrote: > I've done several 800 mile plus days on it. And out of > the box your right about the ergos but genmar risers > and a corbin take care of that.The fact that I > installed an oiler has nothing to with the bike being > a good sport/tourer or not. I don't know of a bike > that comes with an oiler. My `81 Suzuki had an oiler - bad seal on the output shaft, kept that chain *wet* From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 15:14:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DJEl629642 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GI000MGWTEV34@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:13:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GI000701TEVXJ@XXXXXX>; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:13:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GI0002NBTEGQO@XXXXXX>; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:13:28 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:13:01 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: Trey Herb Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B7826BD.EE443D78@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010813182203.78732.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Trey Herb wrote: > > My chain is not nor has it ever been for very long out > of adjustment. I check it frequently Ahh, grasshopper, you have made our point. You HAVE to check a chain frequently. I check the rear end whenever I replace tires, about every 20,000 miles. :) > and it has only needed adjustment once which takes > about 5 minutes to do. And what kind of mileages are we talking about here? Just out of morbid curiosity. > Sure they do just not to you or your dad. Ok, Beemers have had some QC problems lately, and I know of exactly one 150,000 Goldwing that needed a new rear end (he rides two up a lot, towing a trailer). Wait, one guy on the Connie list complained about needing a new shaft drive. That was years ago. > > But it's more likely that > > you're engine will die before the shaft drive does! > > Do you have stats to back this up or are quoting dad > again. Since very, very few riders will either wear out an engine or a shaft drive, stats are hard to come by. Lots of us, however, have replaced chains & sprockets. It's just not worth it in the long run. > Try to convince me as you may I like chains. If you > don't that's fine too. Hey, it's your money. I prefer to buy bikes that don't have disposable drive systems. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 15:16:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13908.mail.yahoo.com (web13908.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DJGR629721 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010813191625.2517.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.76.2] by web13908.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:16:25 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:16:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Lamond Reply-To: keithl1349@XXXXXX Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010813155438.50161.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Trey Herb wrote: > I personally do not like shafties. I have a real > sport > tourer (one of the better ones if you ask me) and it > is chain driven. Try finding a shaft to fit your > bike Most shaft drives outlive all the other components of a bike. Essentially you would have no need of finding a shaft to fit your bike. > make it less attractive that a shaft. Shafts are > heavy, expensive, and awkward for do it yourselfers. Except for once a year oil changes shafts are maintenance free. Shafts are heavier and rob the bike of some back wheel horsepower, however the are a virtually indestructable final drive mechanism. If your main concern is performance, you want a chain drive. If your main concern longevity and no-fuss maintenance, you probably would prefer a shaft drive. Now does someone want to add belt drives into the mix! Keith Lil Red SV 01 (Chain driven) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 15:36:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14003.mail.yahoo.com (web14003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.94]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DJaO600194 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010813193622.48694.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.25] by web14003.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:36:22 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:36:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010813182203.78732.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, I can't resist anymore. I've put about half of my total mileage on bikes with chains, the other half on bikes with shaft drive. Currently I ride bikes with chain drive. I like the advantage of being able to change the drive ratio, but other than that, I'd rather have a shaft drive. Shaft drives sometimes have spline problems, one should check and lube the splines both on the driveshaft and the wheel (it may not have splines there - depends on the design) before leaving for on a long trip. I also had a seal failure once. The seal failure would have ended the trip had I been on one. Chain failures usually happen with less notice. I thought I had a good chain when I left on my trip last month, but two weeks later I discovered it wasn't good enough. Chains are generally available, so it was replaced in the middle of the trip. I was carrying an extra front sprocket (to change gear ratios) and installed that with the new chain. Next trip, I carry a chain and two sprockets along. If either chain or shaft was always better than the other, it would have a 100% market share. Buy the bike that does what you want it to do, there is no perfect bike and there is no perfect way to get the power to the rear wheel. If there was, we'd all have that bike instead of what we have. Leon. Touring and commuting with a Ninja ZX6 and two EX250s. None of them are perfect, but they are cheap. --- Trey Herb wrote: > My chain is not nor has it ever been for very long > out > of adjustment. I check it frequently and it has only > needed adjustment once which takes about 5 minutes > to > do. > > Shaft-drives > > don't just > > suddenly fail, or blow up. > > Sure they do just not to you or your dad. > > But it's more likely that > > you're engine will die before the shaft drive > does! > > Do you have stats to back this up or are quoting dad > again. > > Try to convince me as you may I like chains. If you > don't that's fine too. > > > --- Sean Jordan wrote: > > >I personally do not like shafties. I have a real > > sport > > >tourer (one of the better ones if you ask me) and > > it > > >is chain driven. Try finding a shaft to fit your > > bike > > >in the middle of WVA. > > > > What the hell is that supposed to mean? > Shaft-drives > > don't just > > suddenly fail, or blow up. As my father pointed > out, > > he has 66,000 > > miles on his shaft driven GSX1100G. From what I > can > > determine, the > > Trophy makes the same amount of power (if not a > > little less!), so > > obivously a shaftie can handle the strain. And as > > many other listers > > can attest, many of those miles were not spent > > tooling around at 55 > > mph in a straight line. > > > > > Can't be done quickly. Any decent bike shop > will > > have a chain to fit. > > > > How many "decent bike shop" are there in the > "middle > > of WVA"? There > > is NOTHING in the middle of WVA. That's why people > > like to ride there. > > > > >I have a scott oiler on my bike. A couple presses > > on a button > > >at low speed and the chain is oiled. > > > > A Scott-oiler doesn't keep a chain from > stretching. > > And that's what > > chains do under normal usage. Stretch. (Among > other > > things. > > > > >As far as adjusting the chain I have only > adjusted > > it once when > > >I changed tires. I check my sprockets too. no > > wear. > > >The minimal amount of maintenance on a chain does > > not > > >make it less attractive that a shaft. > > > > How much are you riding it? "Mininmal" is not the > > word most often > > associated with chains. Most manuals typically > > suggest adjusting the > > chain every 500 miles. Now, I've never owned a > > Triumph, so they might > > have longer adjustment intervals. But I would bet > > the cost of a chain > > that if you've only ever adjust your chain once, > > it's out of > > adjustment now. > > > > >Shafts are heavy, expensive, and awkward for do > it > > yourselfers. > > > > Agreed, they can be awkward to work with. But it's > > more likely that > > you're engine will die before the shaft drive > does! > > > > > > > > -- > > "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation > of > > death and the > > skillful defiance of it." > > > > -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) > > > > Sean Jordan > > Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing > > '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) > > '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) > > WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 > > > http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! > Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 15:55:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10506.mail.yahoo.com (web10506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DJtk600472 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010813195545.4992.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.113.18] by web10506.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:55:45 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:55:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: U-boat ride across WV (long-part 2) To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <005a01c12420$44529220$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wow. My 1000 mile weekend was much easier, and probably more enjoyable. I trailered 500 miles to Deals Gap. Rode a few hundred, then trailered back. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 15:59:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10501.mail.yahoo.com (web10501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.151]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DJxE600568 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010813195912.43322.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.113.18] by web10501.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:59:12 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:59:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: SPAM ALERT - Trailer for sale. To: DC Bike List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone interested in an enclosed trailer? http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow/trailer ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 16:08:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f205.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DK88600771 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:08:01 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:08:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: trey_22206@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:08:01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2001 20:08:01.0948 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7C14DC0:01C12433] Huh?! So you telling me that you've spent at least $500.00 to get the sport-tour bike really tour ready? Oh, I do agree that chains weigh less, cost less (to buy) and allow for easy sprocket re-sizing. As for reliability... your deceiving yourself. If you keep that Trophy for 50,000 miles you should have changed that chain and sprocket between 4 (if lucky) and 5 times. If you don't, then you should expect that chain to break, jam up inside the front sprocket housing and leave you on the side of your favorite WVA road with a cell phone that's out of range. If your really lucky you'll be picking grass out of the cracks in the fairing as you pick it up from the ditch too... because somehow the chain jammed the rear sprocket. Been there. Smaller bike, no fairing. NO FUN, hence chain driven bike. Anyway, I don't know anyone who's had a bad shaft on a motorcycle built in the last 20 years. But then I can wait until Triumph tries one. TEEEE HEEEEE!!!! ;-) Hmmm... Exactly how many miles do you have on that Trophy? If you put 5,000 miles on it a year I'm very impressed. I do over 12,000 on my originally equipped PC-800 (no options). Have you done more than one 400+ mile day on it in a row? Most folks find that they can do one 400-800 mile day, maybe two in a row, but its the third when they die of butt, back and leg cramps and find that they are spending $200-400 on seats, risers, "touring" pegs, etc, etc. But ergos are not the same as the original topic: shaft drive vs chain. I say that sport bikes use chains for many very good reasons. But bikes that call themselves sport-tourers are likely to get taken on long trips where the cost weight savings and flexibility of changing sprockets are well outweighed by the maintenance savings and proven reliability of the shaft. Again I know of no-one who has ever had to repair or replace a shaft driven motorcycle. Drive shafts seldom fail one either cars or motorcycles. Motorcycle companies that sell chain driven sport-"tour" bikes are doing so because they can save money, its easy to engineer, and because so many riders don't have a clue how good shaft driven bikes have gotten. Hey can we start a belt thread next? Any Harleys out there? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 16:26:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11008.mail.yahoo.com (web11008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.58]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DKPx601013 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010813202558.31900.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11008.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:25:58 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:25:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As for miles I bought it used last july with 250 miles on it. Currently it has just over 9500. I stated previously that I have done several 800 miles + days. I don't know why you have a need to slam Triumph I am not attacking your choice of ride. Just stating a preference about final drives. Please keep cheap shots to a minimum it degrades the rest of your arguments. As for the money I have spent to personalize the bike. If this is a phenomenon of only Triumph Trophy riders. Then who are all these other people I see riding around with risers, aftermarket shield, givi top cases, highway pegs, oilers, spoilers, etc. What kind of seat do you have? --- Doug Allis wrote: > Huh?! So you telling me that you've spent at least > $500.00 to get the > sport-tour bike really tour ready? > > Oh, I do agree that chains weigh less, cost less (to > buy) and allow for easy > sprocket re-sizing. As for reliability... your > deceiving yourself. If you > keep that Trophy for 50,000 miles you should have > changed that chain and > sprocket between 4 (if lucky) and 5 times. If you > don't, then you should > expect that chain to break, jam up inside the front > sprocket housing and > leave you on the side of your favorite WVA road with > a cell phone that's out > of range. If your really lucky you'll be picking > grass out of the cracks in > the fairing as you pick it up from the ditch too... > because somehow the > chain jammed the rear sprocket. > Been there. Smaller bike, no fairing. NO FUN, hence > chain driven bike. > > Anyway, I don't know anyone who's had a bad shaft on > a motorcycle built in > the last 20 years. But then I can wait until > Triumph tries one. > TEEEE HEEEEE!!!! > ;-) > > Hmmm... Exactly how many miles do you have on that > Trophy? If you put 5,000 > miles on it a year I'm very impressed. I do over > 12,000 on my originally > equipped PC-800 (no options). Have you done more > than one 400+ mile day on > it in a row? Most folks find that they can do one > 400-800 mile day, maybe > two in a row, but its the third when they die of > butt, back and leg cramps > and find that they are spending $200-400 on seats, > risers, "touring" pegs, > etc, etc. > > But ergos are not the same as the original topic: > shaft drive vs chain. I > say that sport bikes use chains for many very good > reasons. But bikes that > call themselves sport-tourers are likely to get > taken on long trips where > the cost weight savings and flexibility of changing > sprockets are well > outweighed by the maintenance savings and proven > reliability of the shaft. > Again I know of no-one who has ever had to repair or > replace a shaft driven > motorcycle. Drive shafts seldom fail one either cars > or motorcycles. > Motorcycle companies that sell chain driven > sport-"tour" bikes are doing so > because they can save money, its easy to engineer, > and because so many > riders don't have a clue how good shaft driven bikes > have gotten. > > Hey can we start a belt thread next? Any Harleys out > there? > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 16:40:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DKeH601253 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA01684 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:37:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:37:27 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Doug Allis wrote: > Oh, I do agree that chains weigh less, cost less (to buy) and allow for easy > sprocket re-sizing. As for reliability... your deceiving yourself. If you > keep that Trophy for 50,000 miles you should have changed that chain and > sprocket between 4 (if lucky) and 5 times. If you don't, then you should Put down the crack pipe, step away from the keyboard, and no one will get hurt. I regualrly get 25k+ miles from a chain and sprocket and that's because I'm pretty much of a slacker when it comes to maintenance. I've also done more back to back to back to back 400+ mile days on my sport- tourer then you can shake a stick at. Hugh VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 16:50:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DKos601489 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GI0005KQXVDYC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:50:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GI000901XUZMJ@XXXXXX>; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:50:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GI00085KXUTRH@XXXXXX>; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:49:42 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:49:14 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: U-boat ride across WV (long-part 2) To: Todd Withrow Cc: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list Message-id: <3B783D4A.8B855AB8@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010813195545.4992.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Todd Withrow wrote: > > Wow. My 1000 mile weekend was much easier, and > probably more enjoyable. I trailered 500 miles to > Deals Gap. Rode a few hundred, then trailered back. You can lose the trailer and just ride down to Deal's gap and back the same day from here. Even more fun, and it doesn't tie up the whole weekend. :) Hork -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 16:56:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DKub601513 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GI000KDRY672V@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:56:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GI000C01Y63TL@XXXXXX>; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:56:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GI000C7ZY5R71@XXXXXX>; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:56:15 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:55:48 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: Leon Begeman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B783ED4.9DECA2D6@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010813193622.48694.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Leon Begeman wrote: > > Buy the bike that does what you want it to do, I wish I could! I'd love something like a Bandit 1200 with a shaft drive. But there are no choices like that out there. Heck, if the Nighthawk 750 came with a shaft, I'd be on one right now, and probably be hysterically happy with it. > there is no perfect bike and there is no perfect > way to get the power to the rear wheel. For all intents and purposes, a shaft driven bike is perfect for me. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 17:03:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f20.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DL3P601696 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:03:19 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:03:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: trey_22206@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:03:19 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2001 21:03:19.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[61160CF0:01C1243B] Wow, I AM impressed! 9,500 miles. Keep it up. It sounds like you know what you are doing maintenance wise. You are now almost due for a chain and sprocket change though. The seat on my PC is original equipment Honda. Its only OK. Why did I slam Triumph? I didn't think I really was (yet)... but now that you mention it maybe I can do it better. I've ridden a few (new and old. I prefer the old). More importantly I talked to some of the folks who maintain them for a living (at a Triumph dealer no less). I was told that they are "much better than they used to be" (which sounded really, really really bad coming from a Triumph dealer trying to talk up his line), given a list of things to watch for... I was also told (and shown) that the maintenance schedule was more expensive..... valve adjustments, chain maintenance, tune up frequency and parts were all more costly on the Triumph than the Honda I currently own. But then I own a shaft driven bike that has self adjusting valves too. Oh no, another thread! Now for the obligatory slam: To me, a Triumph seems to have all the character of a Honda and all the engineering of.........hmmmmmmmm...... say,,,, a well built Harley!!! Hey! there's a SLAM FOR YA....!!! Heard that one before???? Maybe when those British biking engineering geniuses can figure out how to do a shaft drive.....!!!! Insert obnoxious laughter here: Tee Heeee Heeeee Your turn!!!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 17:07:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DL7Y601779 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GI000B6EYNOSM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:07:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GI000101YNEFN@XXXXXX>; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:07:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GI000MDSYN7QH@XXXXXX>; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:06:43 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:06:16 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: Doug Allis Cc: trey_22206@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B784148.42FCF3D9@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Doug Allis wrote: > > Huh?! So you telling me that you've spent at least $500.00 to get the > sport-tour bike really tour ready? This isn't all that much out of the ordinary, really. Getting the seat and windshield to where you like them and they are comfortable for long days takes some cash. If you find a stock configuration that works for you, consider yourself lucky. > If you don't, then you should expect that chain to break, jam up inside the > front sprocket housing and leave you on the side of your favorite WVA road > with a cell phone that's out of range. If your really lucky you'll be > picking grass out of the cracks in the fairing as you pick it up from the > ditch too... because somehow the chain jammed the rear sprocket. I've heard of this happening to more than one rider. Scary. It just seems to me that the typical chain&sprocket setup on todays bikes just isn't strong or durable enough. If chains could regularly go 100,000 miles with no stretch, no rusting, no lubing, no adjusting, no cleaning, no checking, and no breakage, then I'd probably not complain so loudly about them. I fully expect my motors to last 100,000 miles (and more), so why would I not expect that out of the rest of the vehicle? > But then I can wait until Triumph tries one. If Triumph comes out with a shafty sport-tourer, I'd really have to take a good long look at one. But as for right now, it's gonna take an exceptional combination of durability, price, power, handling, fuel economy, comfort, size, and weight to pry me off my Concours. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 17:21:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DLLm602047 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GI000FIBZC5GC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:21:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GI000501ZBFKX@XXXXXX>; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:21:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GI0004CWZB1F5@XXXXXX>; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:21:02 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:20:34 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: valves To: Doug Allis Cc: trey_22206@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B7844A2.99DA42CB@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Doug Allis wrote: > > But then I own a shaft driven bike that has self adjusting > valves too. Oh no, another thread! Ok, Doug did it. Started up a new unauthorized thread. :) Oh well, since he did, anybody got a complete list of new (or fairly new) bikes that have self-adjusting valves? Anybody wonder why there isn't much in the way of newer bikes with this wonderful maintenance-free type of motor? Honda Nighthawk 750s (almost makes it worth the chain &sprockets to not have to do valves) Honda PC800 (still gotta remove a ton of tupperware to change oil, though) Honda Goldwing 1500 Kawasaki Voyager 1200 (hmm...maybe I should ditch the Connie...nah) Honda Shadows Kawi Vulcans (I think?) Harleys? (Don't know) Is that it? Damn. That's a real short list. It really sucks doing valves. It really sucks more to pay a dealer to "do" them. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 17:27:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DLRR602144 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-183.s183.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.183] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15WPF7-0005bS-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:27:26 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01c1243e$c87ea5c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:26:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Here's something else to chew on: engine and transmission design. Shafties are a lot easier to build when the engine crankshaft runs along the length of the bike, not side to side. Stands to reason there's somewhat of a power loss making two 90-degree bends with big ass gears in the power train instead of just one at the rear wheel. It seems to me, therefore, that the best application of shaft drive is on a transverse mounted engine. This favors certain engine configurations (like Moto-Guzzi's transverse mounted V-twin and Honda's CX500, not to mention the BMW boxer) but it makes other configurations more problematic, like a standard mounted V-twin, a V-4, or an in-line four. Try wrapping your legs around a transverse V-4. Unless it is carefully designed, the crankshaft can cause all sorts of problems, because it will twist the bike as it spins. Of course, chains do funky things to swingarms, but that's another story. And how about clutches. On a transverse design you usually have to drop the engine to change the clutch plates and springs. I've gravitated to chain drive on the bikes I've had more out of necessity than choice. I simply don't want a big touring bike or liter-class sport-tourer so chains it is. And no disrespect intended to Connie owners, but I've ridden one and didn't like it, it was just too ponderous for my taste and prefered riding style. I wouldn't mind owning a CX500 (non-turbo) though if I can find one in good shape. There's something about them I really like. I guess in the final analysis I don't find chains that much of headache, averaging 12-15K miles per year on a bike and riding in all weather. I gives me more quality time with the bike, even though adjusting the chain takes literally one minute on the VFR. For me the bottom line is "would I give up any of what the VFR offers in order to have a shaft final drive?" The answer is no, but as always YMMV. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Brown > > On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > why do they use chains instead of shafts on sportbikes? > > what are the drawbacks again? > > Well, first, a shaft, when spun at as many RPM's as a normal sport bike > revs, will tend to deform due to the high torque. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 17:40:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f79.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DLel602329 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:40:40 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:40:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: the.horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: valves Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:40:40 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2001 21:40:40.0832 (UTC) FILETIME=[991BB000:01C12440] >>Honda PC800 (still gotta remove a ton of tupperware >to change oil, though) You'd think so but you'd be wrong. Remove one small plastic panel and the oil cap. The oil filter is an external auto spin on Gold Wing part. The drain plug is in the usual expected place underneath. Again the PC was designed from ground up with very low maintenance in mind. The sparks (4) can be gotten to by removing two side vents. They need to be inspected (not replaced) every 8,000 miles. I have nearly 40,000 miles on mine. The only real hassles are getting to the air filter and battery. The air filter is inspected every 8,000 miles. The battery is a gell cel, no maintenance at all. Cost is now down to about $60.00. Mine has lasted 4 years (so far). I've had the carb synch checked twice. Both times it was within spec. No adjustment. One things for sure... this bike is a whole lot easier to clean than any other bike on the market. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 18:02:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f127.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.127]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DM2B602742 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:02:05 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:02:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: hcaldwell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains or Belts anyone???!!!!! Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:02:05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2001 22:02:05.0563 (UTC) FILETIME=[96DE14B0:01C12443] > Put down the crack pipe, step away from the keyboard, and no one >will get hurt. Too bad > I regualrly get 25k+ miles from a chain and sprocket and that's >because I'm pretty much of a slacker when it comes to maintenance. You are either lying, must have a uniquely moderate riding style or are a real lucky dude..... But then you riding a Honda and not that Triumph thing someone else here is riding. I suspect that you are that real lucky dude and haven't experianced the funnyest WVA tour ever... to of one of their ditches... courtesy of a fairly new chain with less than 1,000 miles on it. LET ME BE PERFECTLY CLEAR how I feel: CHAINS SUCK. thank you. Exactly how often does your owners manual say you should check that sprocket and chain? Hey, where are the Harley dudes and their belts in all this????? What are the advantages and disadvantages? Is the main disadvantage that they only come attached to Harleys? Why is that? Are there any belt drives that come attached to a NON-Harley motorcycle?? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 18:07:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DM7s602832 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-49-185.s439.tnt5.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.49.185]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15WPsH-0003lr-00 ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:07:53 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Dave Yates" Cc: , Subject: Re: Pay at the pump...More! Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:07:49 -0700 Message-ID: References: <9b.1948eb8b.28a6f09c@aol.com> <000001c122ac$1d34bf80$1982c0cf@nih.gov> In-Reply-To: <000001c122ac$1d34bf80$1982c0cf@nih.gov> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f7DM7t602833 |> It would then seem to me that it would be time to check my card |>agreement. Let's say for example, you ride up on your EX 250, slide the |>gas card, which only has a paltry $250 limit. If you just got gas |>yesterday, you're asserting it could get blocked.... I have used my credit card at service stations before.. I'd fill up, ride, need more gas, fill up, repeat, except BAM, it says "see attendant".. How annoying! so if speedpass were linked to it, I could see it happening. Then again in that case, it might have been the card issuer. I talked to them on the phone one day, and told them it was annoying but they said it was their fraud protection warning system that they coudlnt' disable. I think it may be the exxon gas station too. |>card and AMEX towards the summer's end. Not once was I denied, or |>'blocked'.... Is it selective ? only certain stations, certain cards ? yep. |>Seriously, my cc bill was reading like a novel... lots of 4 & 5 dollar |>charges... Mine too. |> Hey, and let's not forget the entertaining flame fests ! some people don't like the noise to signal ratio |> This is DC cycles, not Carolina Cycles or Alabama cycles.... Manners |>are optional for DC and the 'burbs... :-| Ahhh STFU! just kidding :) |> lotta real estate.... yep |>|> I'll bet you're tired :-) LOL. I can't do it. I'll get bored, or have bad luck and crash. TY for your time ladies and gents, Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 18:13:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11508.mail.yahoo.com (web11508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DMDW602933 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010813221331.78985.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.4] by web11508.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:13:31 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:13:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: Trey Herb , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010813164251.59768.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And you get more power to the ground with a chain. Shafties lose 8% - 10% while chains only lose between 2% - 4%. YMMV Glenn --- Trey Herb wrote: > I've done several 800 mile plus days on it. And out > of > the box your right about the ergos but genmar risers > and a corbin take care of that.The fact that I > installed an oiler has nothing to with the bike > being > a good sport/tourer or not. I don't know of a bike > that comes with an oiler. And I would never need a > shaft for my bike in West Virginia because I don't > have one. > > As long as the chain and sprockets are maintained > (which takes a little more time than your > maintenance)the chain is better than the shaft > because > you can adjust gear ratios, it weighs less, costs > less > to replace, and is easier to repair. > > But to each their own. > > Trey > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 18:17:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DMHB603023 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-84.patriot.net [209.249.181.84]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f7DMH5w07407; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:17:05 -0400 Message-ID: <3B785071.A7C87B14@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:10:57 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Doug Allis , trey_22206@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: valves References: <3B7844A2.99DA42CB@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > Doug Allis wrote: > > > > But then I own a shaft driven bike that has self adjusting > > valves too. Oh no, another thread! > > Ok, Doug did it. Started up a new unauthorized > thread. :) Oh well, since he did, anybody got a > complete list of new (or fairly new) bikes that > have self-adjusting valves? Anybody wonder why > there isn't much in the way of newer bikes with > this wonderful maintenance-free type of motor? My valves are self adjusting - cam/tappets/pushrods/OHV - hardly a *new* idea, and it only has two valves per cylinder. It also has a belt drive - adjustment? Nah, hardly ever, but methinks it has to be replaced every 100K or so, but there's no lube to check or change and it *reacts* like a chain and thankfully doesn't steal horsepower like a shaft drive. I believe the 1340 EVO Harley engine comes stock with a tire smokin', wheelie crankin', whopping 52 HP. Scares me to think about all that power under my butt.... Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 18:18:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DMIR603033 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana.wheatintl.com (iguana [63.218.228.106]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f7DMICh17320 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:18:13 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010813181724.034d6ca0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:18:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: dccycles.com back up Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Lighning struck our upstream side microwave antenna. All is well again. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org N38.84810 W77.44614 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 18:22:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DMMi603147 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-84.patriot.net [209.249.181.84]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f7DMMEw08234; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:22:15 -0400 Message-ID: <3B7851A7.7D266A11@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:16:07 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Allis CC: hcaldwell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains or Belts anyone???!!!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug Allis wrote: > > Put down the crack pipe, step away from the keyboard, and no one > >will get hurt. > > Too bad > > > I regualrly get 25k+ miles from a chain and sprocket and that's > >because I'm pretty much of a slacker when it comes to maintenance. > > You are either lying, must have a uniquely moderate riding style or are a > real lucky dude..... But then you riding a Honda and not that Triumph thing > someone else here is riding. > > I suspect that you are that real lucky dude and haven't experianced the > funnyest WVA tour ever... to of one of their ditches... courtesy of a fairly > new chain with less than 1,000 miles on it. > > LET ME BE PERFECTLY CLEAR how I feel: CHAINS SUCK. > > thank you. > > Exactly how often does your owners manual say you should check that sprocket > and chain? > > Hey, where are the Harley dudes and their belts in all this????? > What are the advantages and disadvantages? Is the main disadvantage that > they only come attached to Harleys? Why is that? Are there any belt drives > that come attached to a NON-Harley motorcycle?? Yeah, Kawi built a 440 with a belt back in the `80s. Nice light bike but the mo'fugga was extremely cold natured - took like forever to come off choke. The belt is boss, quiet, no lube required, no driveline snatch, and durable. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 18:43:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11501.mail.yahoo.com (web11501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DMhk603482 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010813224345.15616.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.4] by web11501.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:43:45 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:43:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains or Belts anyone???!!!!! To: "William J. Huson" , Doug Allis Cc: hcaldwell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3B7851A7.7D266A11@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kawi also had a 305 with a belt. BTW, belts lose the least amount of power going from the engine to the back wheel, I think 2%. I guess that's why Harley uses them! ;-) Glenn --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Yeah, Kawi built a 440 with a belt back in the `80s. > Nice light bike but the > mo'fugga was extremely cold natured - took like > forever to come off choke. > > The belt is boss, quiet, no lube required, no > driveline snatch, and durable. > > Bill > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 18:55:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11501.mail.yahoo.com (web11501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DMtZ603671 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010813225534.17057.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.4] by web11501.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:55:34 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:55:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains or Belts anyone???!!!!! To: Doug Allis , hcaldwell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Doug Allis wrote: > > I regualrly get 25k+ miles from a chain and > sprocket and that's > >because I'm pretty much of a slacker when it comes > to maintenance. > > You are either lying, must have a uniquely moderate > riding style or are a > real lucky dude..... But then you riding a Honda and > not that Triumph thing > someone else here is riding. > No, he's not lying. I have about 15K on my VFR with original chain and sprockets and they are in great shape and I might have adjusted it once or twice. > I suspect that you are that real lucky dude and > haven't experianced the > funnyest WVA tour ever... to of one of their > ditches... courtesy of a fairly > new chain with less than 1,000 miles on it. > > LET ME BE PERFECTLY CLEAR how I feel: CHAINS SUCK. > > thank you. > I don't think they are the greatest either but they are not as bad as you guys THINK they are. > Exactly how often does your owners manual say you > should check that sprocket > and chain? > Every 500 miles. About all I do is stick the bike on the center stand, spin the wheel ONCE, and spray some lube. Takes about 1 minute. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 18:55:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11507.mail.yahoo.com (web11507.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DMtf603681 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010813225540.77554.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.4] by web11507.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:55:40 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:55:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains or Belts anyone???!!!!! To: Doug Allis , hcaldwell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Doug Allis wrote: > > I regualrly get 25k+ miles from a chain and > sprocket and that's > >because I'm pretty much of a slacker when it comes > to maintenance. > > You are either lying, must have a uniquely moderate > riding style or are a > real lucky dude..... But then you riding a Honda and > not that Triumph thing > someone else here is riding. > No, he's not lying. I have about 15K on my VFR with original chain and sprockets and they are in great shape and I might have adjusted it once or twice. > I suspect that you are that real lucky dude and > haven't experianced the > funnyest WVA tour ever... to of one of their > ditches... courtesy of a fairly > new chain with less than 1,000 miles on it. > > LET ME BE PERFECTLY CLEAR how I feel: CHAINS SUCK. > > thank you. > I don't think they are the greatest either but they are not as bad as you guys THINK they are. > Exactly how often does your owners manual say you > should check that sprocket > and chain? > Every 500 miles. About all I do is stick the bike on the center stand, spin the wheel ONCE, and spray some lube. Takes about 1 minute. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 18:56:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11505.mail.yahoo.com (web11505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DMuD603693 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010813225613.57228.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.4] by web11505.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:56:13 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:56:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains or Belts anyone???!!!!! To: Doug Allis , hcaldwell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Doug Allis wrote: > > I regualrly get 25k+ miles from a chain and > sprocket and that's > >because I'm pretty much of a slacker when it comes > to maintenance. > > You are either lying, must have a uniquely moderate > riding style or are a > real lucky dude..... But then you riding a Honda and > not that Triumph thing > someone else here is riding. > No, he's not lying. I have about 15K on my VFR with original chain and sprockets and they are in great shape and I might have adjusted it once or twice. > I suspect that you are that real lucky dude and > haven't experianced the > funnyest WVA tour ever... to of one of their > ditches... courtesy of a fairly > new chain with less than 1,000 miles on it. > > LET ME BE PERFECTLY CLEAR how I feel: CHAINS SUCK. > > thank you. > I don't think they are the greatest either but they are not as bad as you guys THINK they are. > Exactly how often does your owners manual say you > should check that sprocket > and chain? > Every 500 miles. About all I do is stick the bike on the center stand, spin the wheel ONCE, and spray some lube. Takes about 1 minute. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 18:58:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14603.mail.yahoo.com (web14603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DMwH603777 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010813225816.31616.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.59.154] by web14603.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:58:16 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:58:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains or Belts anyone???!!!!! To: Doug Allis , hcaldwell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Doug Allis wrote: > --- hugh caldwell joked: > > > > Put down the crack pipe, step away from the > > keyboard, and no one will get hurt. > > Too bad > > > I regualrly get 25k+ miles from a chain and sprocket > > and that's because I'm pretty much of a slacker when it > > comes to maintenance. > > You are either lying, must have a uniquely moderate > riding style or are a real lucky dude..... But then you > riding a Honda and not that Triumph thing someone else > here is riding. he ain't lying. and if he's lucky, so am i: his numbers are like very close to mine except slightly higher. i credit this to the fact that i am more of a slacker. i would also say that my riding style is not uniquely moderate. what may help is that mr. caldwell and i ride a bit more than the average rider, so the setup only needs to survive a year or two in the context of rust. i've got 18k miles on my stock duc chain and sprockets. i'm going to replace them soon, as they are beginning to show signs of wear. i'll go 20k and then take the plunge. note: i keep my setup looser than the manual suggests. i've heard this is better than tighter.... support for this anyone? > I suspect that you are that real lucky dude and haven't > experianced the funnyest WVA tour ever... to of one of > their ditches...courtesy of a fairly new chain with less > than 1,000 miles on it. i don't know, but a chain problem within 1000 miles sounds very odd. what's the whole story? i do know that if i had to replace my chain and sprockets every 10k miles like some have suggested, i'd certainly buy a shaftie. yes, when one replaces the chain he/she should also replace both sprockets. but this shouldn't be done until it is necessary. and a properly maintained chain, even on a literbike, should last, at a minimum, 15k miles. i have friends who have gotten close to double that. throw a 530 setup on your machine (or if yours comes stock that way) and higher numbers are easily obtainable, even for the king of automobile neglect. > LET ME BE PERFECTLY CLEAR how I feel: CHAINS SUCK. ahhhh. a clearly unbaised opinion...not! i think i may disregard it! > thank you. > > Exactly how often does your owners manual say you should > check that sprocket and chain? every 500 miles. mine has needed (imo) 3 adjustments in 18k miles. no biggie checking it....one should check over a motorcycle pretty thoroughly before getting on it anyway, regarless of its design characteristics. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 19:31:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DNVS604477 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool180-51.patriot.net (HELO therock) (209.249.180.51) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2001 23:31:25 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <003201c1244f$e93eae20$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010813181724.034d6ca0@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: dccycles.com back up Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:30:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Thanks, Mike. It's times like these when you have to 'go without' that you're thankful for what you take for granted. I'm sure I speak for most of the list members when I say a big "thank you" for hosting dccycles.com pro bono. Chris Weaver dccycles webmaster ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman To: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 6:18 PM Subject: dccycles.com back up > Lighning struck our upstream side microwave antenna. All is well again. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 19:37:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DNbJ604557 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool180-51.patriot.net (HELO therock) (209.249.180.51) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2001 23:37:17 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <004401c12450$bb4c2dc0$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20010813225534.17057.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains or Belts anyone???!!!!! Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:36:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I got about 18k out of my original chain and sprockets (on a torquey Superhawk even!) and could probably have gotten 20k or so. I changed them because I was riding down to Daytona for a week and felt like having everything 'just so' for the ride. On the trip, I ended up blowing one of the brand new tires I got at the same time though. :^( Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Dysart To: Doug Allis ; Cc: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 6:55 PM Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains or Belts anyone???!!!!! > > You are either lying, must have a uniquely moderate > > riding style or are a > > real lucky dude..... But then you riding a Honda and > > not that Triumph thing > > someone else here is riding. > > > > No, he's not lying. I have about 15K on my VFR with > original chain and sprockets and they are in great > shape and I might have adjusted it once or twice. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 19:46:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14606.mail.yahoo.com (web14606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7DNkq604741 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010813234646.66609.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.59.154] by web14606.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:46:46 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:46:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dccycles.com back up To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <003201c1244f$e93eae20$0100a8c0@therock> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i didn't realize that. that is pretty cool of mike....and you too for all the work. --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Thanks, Mike. It's times like these when you have to 'go > without' that > you're thankful for what you take for granted. I'm sure I > speak for most of > the list members when I say a big "thank you" for hosting > dccycles.com pro bono. > > Chris Weaver > dccycles webmaster > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Troutman > To: > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 6:18 PM > Subject: dccycles.com back up > > > > Lighning struck our upstream side microwave antenna. > All is well again. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 19:48:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7DNm2604761 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.14.18ab5cf5 (4592) for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:47:54 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <14.18ab5cf5.28a9c12a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:47:54 EDT Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message someone wrote: > I don't know of a bike > > that comes with an oiler. The original Honda CB750 had one, it was a small screw in the center of the countershaft that allowed a little oil out onto the sprocket and into the chain. Hot/thin oil flowed into and immediately out of the chain and onto... well damn near everything. Up your S.O.s blouse for instance. Needless to say everyone immediately shut the damn things off and they soon disappeared. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 20:23:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7E0NE605364 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-68-55.s55.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.68.55] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15WRzE-0002TY-00 ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:23:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c12456$e73ce680$37442c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Cc: Subject: Fw: Reply: Pay at Pump Reference ID: 87978 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:20:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Gerald wrote: The following is part of my online statement for MasterCard: **** TEMPORARY AUTHORIZATIONS **** 08/05/2001 TEMP HESS 46501 - ARLINGTON $1.00 08/06/2001 TEMP HESS 46501 - ARLINGTON $1.00 The $1.00 is an authorization test by the gas station to validate the account. The authorization amount is a hold against the credit limit for the $1.00. This typically stays on the account until the actual charges are settled electronically by the gas station. Both charges are from Hess, but it is the same for other stations as well as my Mobile Speedpass. In certain situations, an estimate of the expense will get authorized and withheld from your credit limit. A good example is a multi-day hotel stay. On presenting your card on check-in, the estimate for the full stay will get authorized. At the end of the stay, the actual charges will be submitted and will clear the authorization credit hold. For fraud prevention, all transactions are scrutinized by neural software. They learn your typical spending patterns and alert fraud detection if something is unusual. Sometimes, this is a good thing if your card is actually stolen. The bank issuer can detect unusual activity and block future transactions immediately. ---my reply ------------------------------------------------------------ And this may very well be what has been happening to some of you that have been experiencing "blocks" or "holds". I'm not in denial, nor am I trying to ignore what is being claimed as a fact. Simply asserting something to be true, especially generally speaking, does not make it true. This blocking thing has never happened to me and until recently, I've never even heard of it. John Walker took offense about a recent reply by me to his original start to this thread. My interest in replying at all was to point out the "chicken little" similarity of the claim and to satisfy my own curiosity about what may be happening to my own credit account. I don't think it is very responsible of someone to make such a blanket claim, getting people all worked up in the process without some sort of proof. I'm sorry if he felt I took a bite out of his ass, but I'm not sorry about pursuing this further. Since my original reply to him made it sound as if nothing at all but the charge amount itself got posted to a credit account, I agreed to let the list and him know if I found out anything different. What Gerald has stated above seems to closely match what my credit union is telling me now (see the forwarded message below). I'm done with this conversation. I will not be going into lurker mode though (heavy sigh and groans from the audience). ;-) Todd (Springfield, VA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pentagon Federal Member Service" To: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: Reply: Pay at Pump Reference ID: 87978 > > Thank you for your message. I spoke with our credit card department and they > said that our experience with gas stations is that when the card is swiped > at the beginning of the transaction then they put through an authorization > of $1. and then nothing more happens until the charge posts to your account. > > Please contact me if I can assist you further. > > Best Regards, > > Marilyn Grass > PFCU/INFO > > > -----Original Message----- > From:Federal Member Service > Sent:, August 12, 2001 2:15 PM > To:Federal Member Services > Subject: #87978:2:0:3# [Todd Peer] Pay at Pump Reference ID: 87978 > > From: toddbpeer@XXXXXX [Todd Peer] > > The other day I asked a question about how a credit card charge is handled > for gasoline sales. I got this response (essentially). > > "With credit cards the merchant will obtain an authorization for the amount > due and nothing more. The authorization basically puts the funds on hold > until the actual charge slip is received. When the charge slip is received > by the bank then the charge is applied to the account and the authorization > is released. Occasionally, the authorization amount will not exactly match > the final charge amount causing the authorization hold to linger on the > account. However, this is very rare and the hold will fall off within two > weeks if no matching charge is received." > - PFCU > > A gentleman I converse with on an email list retorted with this > > "NOT AT ALL! If you go into the station to pay you do indeed agree to pay a > set amount, the total sale. If the pump asks "How much" and you type in an > amount, then you agree to pay a set amount. > > BUT! When you slide your card at the pump for a fill up _You have agreed to > NO set amount_ The pump has no way of knowing how much you are going to use, > or for that matter what you are driving, a motor home or a moped, the only > way the station can be sure that there is enough available on you account is > to put a block (lets use that word "hold" block seems to be causing > confusion.) on enough to pay for whatever fuel you MAY buy. No one is being > crooked here, it is just the only way they have of being assured of payment. > > The problem is the delay in "refunding" the unused amount. On a bike with a > small tank this can result in a lot of cash being unavailable when needed." > - gentleman on email list > > This issue has caused some concern and friction amongst the list membership. > We are very interested to know if what this gentlman is claiming to be a > fact is indeed a fact. Does PFCU allow this > "Blocking" or "Holding" against my available credit? > > Todd Peer From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 20:26:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14610.mail.yahoo.com (web14610.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.242]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7E0Q4605388 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010814002603.46403.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.59.154] by web14610.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:26:02 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:26:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Pay at the pump...More! To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9b.1948eb8b.28a6f09c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/10/2001 8:49:13 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > toddbpeer@XXXXXX writes: > (In reference to problems with Pay at pump.) > > >Toro Caca! > > You are missing the point! This IS a problem and I really > do not care if you choose to ignore it or not, I put it > on the list to help those who "sail beyond sight of land" > avoid it. > The primary advantage of a list like this is the free > exchange of information and help. Biting someone on the > ass who is trying to help is counterproductive I have > ridden something in the neighborhood of a _half a > million miles_ on bikes, ridden in 47 states and into > Canada, spent 8 years as a full time professional > motorcycle mechanic and a year selling the damn things, I > have a lot to contribute to this list. But I am getting > damn tired of the tendency by some on this list to attack > any statement made by anybody, just for the sake of > attacking it. I think I will just lurk for a while and > see if you folk can be civil. stick it out and share your knowledge, john. the ones who start trouble around here (myself included) are basically harmless to those with thicker skin. this list if, of course, a place to share information. it's also got its share of personalities, and has for a long time. the jd was most likely flowing like wine over in springfield, as todd p. is rarely the one to stir the pot....on this list anyway. he also thrives on racking up mileage....he (and i and others in decent-sized group of local sport-explorer-tourers) voyages far away from this place whenever the work schedule allows it (next up: the "distillery tour" throughout the hills of the southeast). you might be able to research the issue up front and by determining a creditor's policies (if they are, in fact, consistent). i actually ran into a problem with amex during a long trip that peaked their interest....now i carry at least one backup. ===== tg For quality legal services at reasonable rates, check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 20:35:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7E0Z0605556 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-68-55.s55.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.68.55] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15WSAc-00055X-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:34:59 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c12458$8c276ac0$37442c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: References: <200108132300.f7DN01x03819@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:32:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Hmmm? In all the travelling I've done, I only recall one incident where a bike needed a shaft replaced. And then it was a BMW in Halifax, Nova Scotia! Shafts definitely have there place in the moto world. Scott oiler is definitely a good idea. Or you can do what a buddy of mine does and keep a small can of wd-40 in the tank bag. Need to oil and just don't wanna stop. Get on a straight road and reach down and squirt. ;-) Todd (Springfield, VA) ST1100 (w/hard removable panniers....a real sport touring bike!) > From: Trey Herb > Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > I personally do not like shafties. I have a real sport > tourer (one of the better ones if you ask me) and it > is chain driven. Try finding a shaft to fit your bike > in the middle of WVA. Can't be done quickly. Any > decent bike shop will have a chain to fit. I have a > scott oiler on my bike. A couple presses on a button > at low speed and the chain is oiled. As far as > adjusting the chain I have only adjusted it once when > I changed tires. I check my sprockets too. no wear. > The minimal amount of maintenance on a chain does not > make it less attractive that a shaft. Shafts are > heavy, expensive, and awkward for do it yourselfers. > > Trey > > '99 Triumph Trophy 1200 (chain driven art) > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 20:44:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7E0it605722 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f7E0im307541; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:44:48 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman , Leon Begeman Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:46:43 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <20010813193622.48694.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> <3B783ED4.9DECA2D6@home.com> In-Reply-To: <3B783ED4.9DECA2D6@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01081320464306.03447@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 13 August 2001 16:55, Dale Horstman wrote: > I wish I could! I'd love something like a Bandit > 1200 with a shaft drive. But there are no choices > like that out there. Heck, if the Nighthawk 750 > came with a shaft, I'd be on one right now, and > probably be hysterically happy with it. My '86 did :) And a little sport fairing too! '86 CB700SC - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 22:01:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f155.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.155]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7E21o607038 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:49:43 -0700 Received: from 24.4.252.26 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:49:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.4.252.26] From: "Jay Block" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/13/01 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:49:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2001 01:49:43.0728 (UTC) FILETIME=[63C4AB00:01C12463] Hey, I am a firm believer in used motorcycles to start. My first bike was a beat up old 500cc Honda Custom. I used it to practice what I was learning in the Basic Motorcycle Safety course. It could take all of the mistakes in clutch/throttle or braking and still let me ride. (It was like learning how to drive clutch in a '63 VW Beetle...very forgiving). After I had ridden for a year I then bought a new bike. I was ready for a 700cc Sabre. And then, like boats, I needed bigger ones each time thereafter. Anyway, I sold the first used Honda for the same amount I paid for it in the first place...$500.00. (Okay, is was a few years ago, but you get the point.) Jay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 23:06:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6vepub.verizon.net (smtp6vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.27]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7E368608161 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.bellatlantic.net (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp6vepub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id WAA59826873 Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:05:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010813225125.00aad870@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:53:15 -0400 To: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains In-Reply-To: <20010813193622.48694.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010813182203.78732.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:36 PM 8/13/01, Leon Begeman wrote: >.... I was carrying an >extra front sprocket (to change gear ratios) and >installed that with the new chain. Just curious, Leon -- I've never met anyone who changed sprockets in mid-trip before. Is this because you ride relatively small displacement bikes, so you change when you hit the mountains, or what? Thanks -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 23:10:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7E3Ai608185 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO jefflg) (209.147.78.216) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2001 03:10:42 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Suzookus Maximus" To: Subject: RE: OCT 22- School/Track Day - Alex Dydula] Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:03:37 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200108132300.f7DN01x03819@dirty.meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I've ridden with Alex a few times myself on the track myself and felt he was very helpful and an all around nice guy on and off the track. :) I was thinking about doing on of his sessions as well (maybe next year). Seems like a pretty good deal as it is cost wise mid-way between a regular track day and 'professional' school. -jeff ===== ->bikes: '00 GSX-R750, 01 SV650 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus >>Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:57:03 -0500 >>From: "George Cole" >>To: >>Cc: >>Subject: OCT 22- School/Track Day - Alex Dydula] >>Content-Disposition: inline >>X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by >>dirty.meretrix.com id f7DDqY624210 >> >>Hey Everyone, >> >>If anyone is interested in a special track day with lots of >>track time, see the message below. I rode with Alex at a recent >>track day at VIR, he is a great rider and instructor/control rider. >> >>George Cole >> >> >>Hello! >> >>Thanks for the reply! I am sorry you cant make it, I >>understand, would you do me a favor and forward this note to >>any riders/racers you know that might want/need a really high >>'quality' School /Track Day? >> >>Thank you very much!! >>Alex!! >> >>Hello! >> >>I am a control rider and instructor at many events with >>different track clubs/orgs... >> >>I also rent Roebling Road in Savannah several times a year for >>very small groups (cost) to have a really special day for just >>a little more than a normal track day... >> >>You get up to 7 hrs of track time and no BS, no lines, now crowds etc... >> >>I also offer "One on One' Instruction and coaching to those >>that want it for a little more...lecture/drills/bike setup etc... >> >>October 22 is my next date. >> >>Check out my website at www.mindspring.com/~adydula >> >>IF you know of any struggling riders/racers that want/need a >>real practice day with tons and tons of track time let them know! >> >>Thanks >>Alex Dydula >>WERA #123 >> >>NOTE: THIS IS NOT MEANT TO COMPETE WITH THE MANY FINE TRACK >>ORGS OUT THERE. THIS IS A VERY SPECAIL "LOW KEY EVENT" >> >>VERY Limited and very focused! >> >>Alexander S. Dydula" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 23:17:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail16.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail16.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.143]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7E3HR608342 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by femail16.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010814031720.KIUS28545.femail16.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:17:20 -0700 Message-ID: <3B789857.859F6102@home.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:17:43 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: roach@XXXXXX CC: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains References: <20010813193622.48694.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> <3B783ED4.9DECA2D6@home.com> <01081320464306.03447@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Roach wrote: > My '86 did :) And a little sport fairing too! > '86 CB700SC I never got to ride one, but the CB700 is EXACTLY the kind of bike I'm talking about. WHY IN HELL doesn't somebody make something like that anymore? :( Hork -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 13 23:23:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail6.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail6.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7E3NR608424 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by femail6.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010814032324.JXHW17978.femail6.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:23:24 -0700 Message-ID: <3B7899C3.7C8B02D2@home.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:23:47 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Allis CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains or Belts anyone???!!!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug Allis wrote: > > Hey, where are the Harley dudes and their belts in all this????? > What are the advantages and disadvantages? The good news about belt drives is that Harley Davidson has a system that lasts 2 to 3 times the expected lifespan of the engine... The bad news is that the belts still only last 100,000 miles or so. :) For the record: Belts are ok. Horkster approved. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 06:03:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10508.mail.yahoo.com (web10508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.158]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7EA3B615539 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 06:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010814100310.59858.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.94.49.51] by web10508.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 03:03:10 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 03:03:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Paint shop To: DC Bike List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can anyone recommend a good paint shop to do some custom work? Thanks, Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 08:32:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from xcgca811.corp.logicon.com (xcgca811.corp.logicon.com [137.51.212.181]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7ECWn618027 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 137.51.212.181 by xcgca811.corp.logicon.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 14 Aug 2001 05:32:23 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Received: by xcgca811.corp.logicon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 05:32:23 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'vfr@XXXXXX'" Subject: Labor Day Weekend Trip Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 05:32:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My wife and I are planning an overnight ride into WVA or southwestern VA this coming Labor Day weekend. I'd like to introduce my wife to some other cyclists to show her (hopefully) that not all male sport bike riders are "testosterone-crazed, road ripping, hooligans with a death wish" like the group of riders that came roaring past us at warp speed last Sunday in Fauquier county. (Any guilty listers out there?) Plus riding with others always makes a trip more enjoyable and interesting. Anyone out there interested? Reply off-list if you would like to plan something together. Steve 97 VFR Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 08:43:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pandora.gtsi.com (gateway.gtsi.com [192.254.22.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EChl618239 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtsi.com (ferrari.corp.gtsi.com [192.254.20.235]) by pandora.gtsi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f7ECe0d01230; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:40:00 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: U-boat ride across WV (long-part 2) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:37:13 -0400 Message-ID: <23607C0BFEAAD211B8B80008C79A0ADA035165CE@exchgreen.gtsi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: U-boat ride across WV (long-part 2) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Thread-Index: AcEkIBPi0C1JyZADEdWmugAIxyQi0gAnmIcw From: "Phil Simerly" To: "Paul Wilson" , "dc-cycles list" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f7EChm618240 Great ride report. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 1:48 PM To: dc-cycles list Subject: U-boat ride across WV (long-part 2) Part two (one copy this time, I promise!) After spending Saturday relaxing, visiting and doing *chain maintenance* ;) I prepared to head back to DC on Sunday. The forecast was ominous with flood warnings in the mountains. Leave it to the Weather Service and the Weather Channel to describe the movement of moist tropical air masses in excruciating detail, even though there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Oh well, time to don the rain gear and get going, knowing it was going to rain all day, and how. I rode about thirty miles before it really started coming down with gusto. I rode with a group of four Harley riders for a little bit, some two-up, some without rain gear, some without helmets, Ohio being a helmet-optional state. The temperature was about 70 and I was borderline cold in soaked gloves, dry leathers and rain suit. They were getting very wet and very cold and their speed seemed to verify that. I passed them with a friendly wave. I didn't see any other bikers for two hundred miles, and they were Wingers who gave we a big wave. I motored on and the rain would slacken for a bit, then pick up again. I forgot to put in ear plugs at one stop and the noise of the rain on the helmet became unbearable, so I pulled into a gas station with a large canopy. I continued on traveling on some beautiful roads, including Ohio 260 between Caldwell and New Matamoras. Gotta do that one again when it's dry. A wild turkey ran out in front of me on the road, but those things can really run and luckily he scooted safely out of the way. I crossed the Ohio River into W.Va. on the Fly-Sistersville ferry, which shaved about twenty miles off my route. I was determined to run WV Rt. 20 again and it was fun, although very wet with gravel and mud, and the occasional butt slow cager with nowhere to pass. This time the plan was to pick up US 50 across the remainder of the state and the western tip of Maryland, in lieu of Friday's route. Again it was with rain oscillating between drizzle and downpour, with heavy fog at the higher elevations. East of Grafton Rt. 50 is a nice wide road with lots of twisties and three major ascents and descents. I made the best of the situation. Speed was not an option, due to the inevitability of debris on the road, so I concentrated on being smooth with the gears and seamlessly managing the brake to throttle transitions, all the while being vigilant for any change in the pavement texture that could spell trouble. This sort of mental activity (90% of motorcycling as they say) helped me to stay alert under the constant mind-numbing sizzle of tires on wet pavement and the drumbeat of rain on the helmet. Actually the twisties help you stay focused. I find being on the super-slab, eating 18-wheeler mist, in the rain, to be the absolute worst. The VFR and the D205s handled well without complaint all day, although wet hands, clammy leathers and damp feet were starting to get a little old. After ten hours of that, partially due to lots of breaks, I finally rolled into DC, longing for a hot shower and hot meal. It had been another 450 miles in the saddle and the bike was dirty, but none the worse for wear. I'm ready to hit WV again, maybe some sunshine next time would be nice. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 08:53:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7ECrQ618407 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-209.244.228.190.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [209.244.228.190]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06283; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B791F8F.B1D03E68@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:54:39 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Bike List CC: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Paint shop References: <20010814100310.59858.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd, Not sure what you mean by "custom", but if you're looking to get a sportbike "custom" painted please give Noah at Better Off Bodyworks a call (703) 441-1625. He's down in the Dumfries/Triangle area. He did my now departed GSXR http://www.geocities.com/the_penas/chux_gsxr.htm. Very good work at a very reasonable price. If you're talking about "custom" as in the H-D kind of paintwork, you might want to check out Custom Cycle Studio (703) 385-4718. One-man operation run out of his home in Fairfax. I've visited with the guy and seen his work -- very nice. But since he's a "real" custom painter, it's also on the pricey side. Chuck Todd Withrow wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a good paint shop to do some > custom work? -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 08:57:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14001.mail.yahoo.com (web14001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.92]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7ECvU618494 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010814125729.17744.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.25] by web14001.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 05:57:29 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 05:57:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: Larry Larson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010813225125.00aad870@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Larry Larson wrote: > I've never met anyone who changed sprockets in > mid-trip before. Is this because you ride relatively > small displacement > bikes, so you change when you hit the mountains, or > what? I put the larger sprocket on for the trip, I usually keep the stock ratio at home. Since I had the smaller sprocket, I just carried it along, didn't think I'd need it, but it didn't take up much space either. The teeth on the larger front sprocket were hooked bad enough that it made noise with the new chain. It's a good thing I had the other one along, since the dealer in Fairbanks didn't have any front sprockets to fit my bike. For any trips longer than a weekend, I'll carry a chain and both sprockets along in the future. I've had three trips now where the chain has been a problem. The chain is an easy fix, but once it starts to stretch, it either requires continuous maintenance or a quick replacement. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 09:10:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EDAb618703 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id r.75.19557590 (1758); Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:10:29 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <75.19557590.28aa7d45@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:10:29 EDT Subject: Re: Paint shop To: mtwithrow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_75.19557590.28aa7d45_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 --part1_75.19557590.28aa7d45_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/14/01 6:04:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mtwithrow@XXXXXX writes: > Can anyone recommend a good paint shop to do some > custom work? > SpeedWerks in Dover DE does some pretty good work. Ask for Steve Long. (302) 672-RACE Keener --part1_75.19557590.28aa7d45_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/14/01 6:04:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mtwithrow@XXXXXX writes:


Can anyone recommend a good paint shop to do some
custom work?


SpeedWerks in Dover DE does some pretty good work.  Ask for Steve Long.
(302) 672-RACE

Keener --part1_75.19557590.28aa7d45_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 09:14:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11003.mail.yahoo.com (web11003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7EDEW618789 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010814131431.63845.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11003.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 06:14:31 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 06:14:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: Labor Day Weekend Trip To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'vfr@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am planning on leaving Thursday before labor day some time in the morning and going down Skyline to the motorcycle only camp at Medow of Dan, Va. From there I have and engagement in southwest NC near the GA border. I may run Deals Gap and a few other roads while I am down there. The engagement is a family type thing but I wouldn't mind having company as far as you want to go. Trey --- "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" wrote: > My wife and I are planning an overnight ride into > WVA or southwestern VA > this coming Labor Day weekend. I'd like to > introduce my wife to some other > cyclists to show her (hopefully) that not all male > sport bike riders are > "testosterone-crazed, road ripping, hooligans with a > death wish" like the > group of riders that came roaring past us at warp > speed last Sunday in > Fauquier county. (Any guilty listers out there?) > Plus riding with others > always makes a trip more enjoyable and interesting. > Anyone out there > interested? Reply off-list if you would like to > plan something together. > > Steve > 97 VFR > Warrenton, VA > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 09:16:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EDGO618869 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:15:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200108140915.AA21299694@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: I-95 S HOV exit to Franconia Rd? X-Mailer: Hi, all, Can I exit I-95 Southbound HOV lanes to get on Franconia Road (eastbound)? I need to get some wheel bearings for my sidecar, and Motion Industries (Fleet Dr. off Franconia) has them. thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 09:18:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11208.mail.yahoo.com (web11208.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.190]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7EDIY618889 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010814131833.10304.qmail@web11208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11208.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 06:18:33 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 06:18:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: For Sale- MC Cover To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a DOW Canvas MC cover still in the box and sealed. It's a Legend line Traveler, which means its about half the length of a full size cover from the top down. The picture on the box shows it half covering an older Wing. Features include: Fits Compactly into Small Pouch Lightweight Fits into Saddlebags Water Resistent Peg Straps Elasticized Bottom. First one with $20 gets it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 09:46:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3805.mail.yahoo.com (web3805.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.111.176]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7EDk5619374 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010814134603.8167.qmail@web3805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.224.63.148] by web3805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 06:46:03 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 06:46:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Lister Spotted? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm taking my weekly "D.C. Day" today and I saw a biker on a Honda CB-1 with a MARRC jacket on the I-66 Bridge over the Potomac. Anyone on the list? ===== Chris Weaver VTR1000 YSR50 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 10:23:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EENg620061 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GI200GBAAMP4Y@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:23:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GI200H01AGFA6@XXXXXX>; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:19:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GI200FPPAG42F@XXXXXX>; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:19:16 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:18:48 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles list Message-id: <3B793348.17DEF30A@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <002a01c1243e$c87ea5c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Paul Wilson wrote: > > It seems to me, therefore, that the > best application of shaft drive is on a transverse mounted engine. This > favors certain engine configurations (like Moto-Guzzi's transverse mounted > V-twin and Honda's CX500, not to mention the BMW boxer) I love the visual impact of a transverse mounted engine like that. Honda sort of took it to huge-ass extremes in the Goldwing, but the rugged simplicity of the Guzzi's and the old CX500s/Silverwings really appeals to me. I really should hop on a Guzzi list sometime. I hear they are a bit quirky, but pretty reliable if treated right. And doing valve adjustments when the valve covers are out there in the open is a cup-of-coffee affair, not a entire-afternoon- and-a-six-pack job. :) Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 10:27:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EERx620140 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-209.244.228.190.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [209.244.228.190]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00828; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B7935B8.C5789FA9@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:29:12 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I-95 S HOV exit to Franconia Rd? References: <200108140915.AA21299694@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, It's been a while since I've taken HOV to exit at Springfield, but I don't recall the exit allowing you to go east onto Franconia Rd. -- just west onto Old Keene Mill. That could've changed with all the work they're doing on the spaghetti bowl though. Chuck Chris Norloff wrote : > > Can I exit I-95 Southbound HOV lanes to get on Franconia Road (eastbound)? -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 10:45:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EEjK620488 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GI200AKPBMXI2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:44:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GI200101BM0RY@XXXXXX>; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:44:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GI200NF3BL53D@XXXXXX>; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:43:53 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:43:25 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: Leon Begeman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B79390D.A54E0C8C@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010814125729.17744.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Leon Begeman wrote: > The chain is an easy fix, but once it starts > to stretch, it either requires continuous maintenance > or a quick replacement. And if Leon is having problems with chains stretching on the torque monster 250s and 600s he rides, , I submit again that chains & sprockets are an inadequate form of final drive for modern day motorcycles. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 10:52:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14007.mail.yahoo.com (web14007.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7EEqL620570 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010814145221.37344.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.25] by web14007.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 07:52:21 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 07:52:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3B79390D.A54E0C8C@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't think torque is the problem. How long do O-ring chains last on dirt bikes? I'll bet the guys with 20,000 mile chains don't ride on very many dirt roads. Leon. --- Dale Horstman wrote: > And if Leon is having problems with chains > stretching > on the torque monster 250s and 600s he rides, > , > I submit again that chains & sprockets are an > inadequate > form of final drive for modern day motorcycles. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 10:53:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7EEr6620580 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010814145300.34510.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.162.42] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 07:53:00 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 07:53:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: Dale Horstman , Leon Begeman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3B79390D.A54E0C8C@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Leon Begeman wrote: > > The chain is an easy fix, but once it starts > > to stretch, it either requires continuous maintenance > > or a quick replacement. > > And if Leon is having problems with chains stretching > on the torque monster 250s and 600s he rides, , > I submit again that chains & sprockets are an inadequate > form of final drive for modern day motorcycles. come on dale. leon's chains stretch because he probably milks 40k+ miles out of them. i've seen him adjust the chain at every stop on some trips. ===== tg For quality legal services at reasonable rates, check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 11:08:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EF8L620829 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GI200AF4CLWBY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:05:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GI200301CLWZE@XXXXXX>; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:05:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0GI2002HUCLH0Z@XXXXXX>; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:05:42 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:05:13 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: Tom Gimer Cc: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B793E29.B14A9B08@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010814145300.34510.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Tom Gimer wrote: > come on dale. leon's chains stretch because he probably > milks 40k+ miles out of them. Leon? Have you ever gotten that much out of a chain? I seem to remember you wear them out quicker than that, even with the Scott Oiler and frequent adjusting. Now, maybe all the dual-sporting you do has something to do with that... :) > i've seen him adjust the > chain at every stop on some trips. Yep, me too. Just think how much riding he could get done if he'd go to a nice clean reliable shaftie... :) Hork -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 11:09:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EF9E620839 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-209.244.228.190.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [209.244.228.190]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA31016; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B793F61.B0E8D871@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:10:25 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains References: <20010814125729.17744.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> <3B79390D.A54E0C8C@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale, Respectfully ... "inadequate" from an "everyday" riding perspective maybe (e.g., commuting, touring, just generally tooling around). But not for someone (like me) who enjoys "tinkering" around with stuff such as final drive ratio to find the "right" combination of front and rear sprockets that best suit my bike and riding style. And certainly trying to set a bike up for a particular track/conditions is easier/less expensive with chain & sprockets than with a drive shaft. And if chain & sprockets are inadequate then I guess that makes all modern sportbikes inadequate! %^) Chuck Dale Horstman wrote : > > I submit again that chains & sprockets are an inadequate > form of final drive for modern day motorcycles. -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 11:25:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f40.hotmail.com [216.32.181.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EFPG621130 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:14:02 -0700 Received: from 64.221.81.2 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:14:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.221.81.2] From: "Natasha Louis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ducati Race Team Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:14:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2001 15:14:02.0698 (UTC) FILETIME=[C05B1AA0:01C124D3] Hi all, This is pretty cool. If you know of any girl racers, please pass this on. http://www.amasuperbike.com/npboysallowed.htm Natasha Louis EARA #84 YSR 50 Girlie Girl / Fugi's Factory Racing _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 11:26:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EFQR621140 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQlcbd19777 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:26:26 GMT Received: from [153.39.127.148] by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: dhcppool127-148.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.127.148]) id QQlcbd13835 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:19:55 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:19:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Yippee!!! New Bike!!! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1214320101==_ma============" --============_-1214320101==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Well, 11 months after I tossed my Concours into a bridge I finally brought >a new bike home. *snip* >Steve Broadstreet >01 ZX-9R Jeeze, Steve! You were bad enough on the Connie! No way anybody's going to keep up with you now! Congratulations on the new scoot! -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html --============_-1214320101==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Yippee!!! New Bike!!!
Well, 11 months after I tossed my Concours into a bridge I finally brought
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Steve Broadstreet
01 ZX-9R


Jeeze, Steve!  You were bad enough on the Connie! No way anybody's going to keep up with you now! Congratulations on the new scoot!




--
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
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--============_-1214320101==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 11:33:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7EFXB621295 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23811 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Aug 2001 15:33:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20010814153310.23810.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com for [205.252.8.97] via web-mailer on Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:33:09 -0500 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:33:09 -0500 Subject: Re: U-Boat ride across WV (long-part 1) I prefer USS-Nighthawk to 'U-boat' but that's quibbling... As the unnamed partner in crime with Paul on my trusty 750 Nighthawk (now tagged as "BSTUJM" - 'best UJM') it was an interesting experience to say the least. I too was wearing perfed leather and suffered the obvious consequences. After the immersion experience on rt 20 I turned around and headed back on WV 7 and then over onto US50. the scariest moment for me (aside from the general discomfort with RT 72's marvelous pavement) was going into a 20mph caution marked righthand at about 40. It was alternating wet and dry (wet fingers of pavement reaching out from the curb toward the center line) and it was rather unnerving to have the back-end slide noticably on each wet spot. Paul was following at that time and I think I scared him. I sure scared myself... At 450 miles so far, I was feeling tired and cold and wet. So I pulled up to a gas station and caught some zzz's on a low concrete wall facing the road. I was so tired I managed to nap despite the country boy yahoo's in their muscle cars and monster trucks. 30min or so I reckon but it was enough. Who says you can't sleep on 6 inch wide cinder blocks. I then continued on to Romney, WV and stopped at a McD's at 10pm. the damp chill of wet clothes and my general tiredness was taking it's toll. And with a belly full of hot tea, fries and burger I figured to suffer drowsiness due to digestion processes. So rather than play a game of chance with the mountains I lay down in the picnic area behind the shop and crashed till around 1am when the local constable came round and evicted me off my warm, dry spot on the chipped wood surface. Life's not fair... Reasonably rested, I donned my rain jacket to ward off the cold wind chill and arrived home at 3:30. US50 10 to 25 miles west of Romney is quite a lot of fun. More so at night, in varying fog, and with a nearly black (daytime only) visor. US211 is so passe by comparision with it's double lanes and wide run-off's. Try it on a real mountain road with zero shoulder and cagers threatening to cross over into your own lane. But really, US50 is straight compared to some of those WV, TN, KN, southern PA roads I've traveled. Guardrails? we don't need no stinkin' guard rails! I was on one of those quinticential CA canyon roads in my dad's Miata clone a few weeks ago. 100 miles of non-stop 2 lane twisty and hard, steep switchbacks up and down mountains. It was fun but technical driving, requiring constant attention lest one run over the 4 inch curb and hurtle down into the ravines. I'd love to do it on a bike but I'd have to take a break ever so often just to keep the mind sharp. I can see why the CHP has gotten good at scraping people and bikes off the roads... I forget what my total milage ended up but I think it was 700+. I don't know how those with Ferous Buttocks do it but maybe they stick to highways where they can make good time. It was plenty for me. -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 11:37:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EFbT621375 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cfoatty3 (1Cust183.tnt1.fredericksburg2.va.da.uu.net [63.36.6.183]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA10442 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002b01c124d7$621386e0$b706243f@cfoatty3> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: References: Subject: GSXR 1000 For Sale Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:40:00 -0400 Organization: CF&O MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 A personal injury client of mine wants to sell his almost new GSXR 1000. I understand it only has 800 miles on it. I will post more details when they become available to me. Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 11:41:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14002.mail.yahoo.com (web14002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.93]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7EFf4621398 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010814154103.73991.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.25] by web14002.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:41:03 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: DCCycles In-Reply-To: <3B793E29.B14A9B08@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've managed to get as much as 20K from a 530 on the ZX6 (but that was before I started riding it everywhere) usually 10K to 15K is all they go. Chain drive is a lot like democracy. Absolutely the worst possible way to go, except for all the alternatives. For now, I'll stay with chain drive, the bikes I want to ride have that and there isn't any reasonable way to change to something else. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 12:12:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EGCg621952 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.47]) id QQlcbg25779 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:12:42 GMT Received: from [153.39.127.148] by imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: dhcppool127-148.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.127.148]) id QQlcbg13698 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:11:35 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:11:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Danny Thompson contact me ASAP!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I need my bike! Work: 703-886-7661 Home: 703-450-1892 -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 12:25:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EGPW622158 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.3.) id 4.27.19decb0c (15878); Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32.aolmail.aol.com (web32.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.8]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v80.17) with ESMTP id MAILINID75-0814122514; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:25:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:25:14 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I-95 S HOV exit to Franconia Rd? To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <27.19decb0c.28aaaaea@aol.com> I'm 99.9% sure that you can. I think it's the same exit I take when I go to Springfield Mall. You come up to a stoplight at the end of the ramp and can go either direction. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 14 Aug 2001 9:17:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Chris Norloff" writes: > Hi, all, > > Can I exit I-95 Southbound HOV lanes to get on Franconia Road (eastbound)? > > I need to get some wheel bearings for my sidecar, and Motion Industries (Fleet Dr. off Franconia) has them. > > thanks, > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 12:33:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EGX8622339 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.3.) id r.9e.18be880c (15876); Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web25.aolmail.aol.com (web25.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.1]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v80.17) with ESMTP id MAILINID73-0814123242; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:32:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:32:42 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I-95 S HOV exit to Franconia Rd? To: , Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <9e.18be880c.28aaacab@aol.com> Oops. Sorry. I was thinking of the Sprinfield/Franconia Parkway exit from the HOV's. I think Chuck is right about this. I don't remember an exit for Franconia Road, even with the new mess...err..I mean Highway Improvements. :-) Scooter In a message dated Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:30:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Chuck Pena writes: > Chris, > > It's been a while since I've taken HOV to exit at Springfield, but I > don't recall the exit allowing you to go east onto Franconia Rd. -- just > west onto Old Keene Mill. That could've changed with all the work > they're doing on the spaghetti bowl though. > > Chuck > > Chris Norloff wrote : > > > > Can I exit I-95 Southbound HOV lanes to get on Franconia Road (eastbound)? > > -- > "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." > -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 13:37:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10504.mail.yahoo.com (web10504.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.154]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7EHbm623549 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010814173747.94133.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.113.217] by web10504.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:37:47 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:37:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Paint shop To: the_penas@XXXXXX, DC Bike List Cc: Todd Withrow In-Reply-To: <3B791F8F.B1D03E68@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii By "custom" I mean that I want a design painted. Not going for the Harley look, but I guess a Harley type artist can do what I want. I had a trailering mishap and another bike fell into mine and rubbed the paint off in one spot. I was going to put a sticker on it, but decided that would look too squidley. So I am thinking about having a tribal design painted across it. Kinda like getting a tattoo for the bike. :) It will cover the blemish and make the bike unique. Todd W. --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Todd, > > Not sure what you mean by "custom", but if you're > looking to get a > sportbike "custom" painted please give Noah at > Better Off Bodyworks a > call (703) 441-1625. He's down in the > Dumfries/Triangle area. He did > my now departed GSXR > http://www.geocities.com/the_penas/chux_gsxr.htm. > Very good work at a very reasonable price. > > If you're talking about "custom" as in the H-D kind > of paintwork, you > might want to check out Custom Cycle Studio (703) > 385-4718. One-man > operation run out of his home in Fairfax. I've > visited with the guy and > seen his work -- very nice. But since he's a "real" > custom painter, > it's also on the pricey side. > > Chuck > > Todd Withrow wrote: > > > > Can anyone recommend a good paint shop to do some > > custom work? > > -- > "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is > exactly what it is." > -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 13:46:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EHkC623720 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-116-110.s110.tnt10.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.116.110] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15WiGY-0006gt-00 ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:46:11 -0400 Message-ID: <00c901c124e9$0b9b6dc0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Todd Withrow" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20010814173747.94133.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Paint shop Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:46:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I know a couple of neighborhood "artists" who will decorate your bike while you sleep, for free. Very unique work. They'll do your cage too or brighten up those plain old boring concrete walls. What a deal! Just park on the street, preferably far away from streetlamps. They do their best work when undisturbed. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Withrow > By "custom" I mean that I want a design painted. Kinda like getting a tattoo for the bike. :) It > will cover the blemish and make the bike unique. > > Todd W. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 14:37:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EIbM624601 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:35:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200108141435.AA12779570@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , , Subject: Re: I-95 S HOV exit to Franconia Rd? X-Mailer: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f7EIbQ624602 Thanks, sounds like the consensus is I can go west on Old Keene Mill but not east on Franconia - directly. I think I'll try Leon's method: " I don't remember being able to go east there, but if you get off to go west, you can easily stay to the right, take the loop to I-95 south and then the next loop back to Franconia Road eastbound. That would make it a 630M-0 degree clockwise turn, but it does get you pointed in the direction you wanted to go. Leon. " thanks, Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:32:42 EDT >Oops. Sorry. I was thinking of the Sprinfield/Franconia Parkway exit from the HOV's. I think Chuck is right about this. I don't remember an exit for Franconia Road, even with the new mess...err..I mean Highway Improvements. :-) > >Scooter > >In a message dated Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:30:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Chuck Pena writes: > >> Chris, >> >> It's been a while since I've taken HOV to exit at Springfield, but I >> don't recall the exit allowing you to go east onto Franconia Rd. -- just >> west onto Old Keene Mill. That could've changed with all the work >> they're doing on the spaghetti bowl though. >> >> Chuck >> >> Chris Norloff wrote : >> > >> > Can I exit I-95 Southbound HOV lanes to get on Franconia Road (eastbound)? >> >> -- >> "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." >> -- Buckaroo Banzai >> visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 14:58:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f140.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.140]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EIwY624913 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:58:28 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:58:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I-95 S HOV exit to Franconia Rd? Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:58:28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2001 18:58:28.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A8FD050:01C124F3] I call this the double clover leaf manuver. I used to do it all the time off the HOV lanes to get to the Sprinfield Mall on Franconia Road but with all the "highway improvements" going on (opening of new ramps and closing of the old ones).... I'm not sure the double clover manuver works anymore. Can anyone care tell me why the "Springfield Mall" is really on the Franconia side of I-95 on Franconia Road.... why Old Keane Mill Road changes to Franconia Road over I-95? why there are at least 4 names for the road that goes between Van Dorn St, thru Kingstown, behind the SFLD Mall, and over towards Burke that at one time (while it was being built) was just called the Springfield Bypass (AKA: Kingstown Blvd, Manchester Blvd, Franconia-Springfeld Parkway Rt 7900, Fairfax County Parkway Rt 7100). Doug Allis DHAllis@XXXXXX w: 202-482-5985 h: 703-912-9576 >I don't remember being able to go east there, but if >you get off to go west, you can easily stay to the >right, take the loop to I-95 south and then the next >loop back to Franconia Road eastbound. That would >make it a 630M-0 degree clockwise turn, but it does get >you pointed in the direction you wanted to go. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 15:22:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EJMK625327 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-209.244.81.242.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.81.242]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05024; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B797AB2.FEC02BC3@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:23:30 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: I-95 S HOV exit to Franconia Rd? References: <200108141435.AA12779570@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, There's another way if you're going to take the HOV lanes, especially if you are trying to avoid the whole mess at the interchange: - Exit at Springfield onto Old Keene Mill Rd. - First right onto Brandon - Second right onto Commerce - Commerce will take you back across I-95 - Right onto Franconia Rd. at the big 4-way intersection w/traffic light Chuck Chris Norloff wrote : > > Thanks, sounds like the consensus is I can go west on Old Keene Mill but not east on Franconia - directly. > > I think I'll try Leon's method: -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 15:37:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7EJbi625593 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-163-103-196.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.163.103.196) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2001 19:37:43 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "LindaT." To: Cc: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: I-95 S HOV exit to Franconia Rd? Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:32:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200108140915.AA21299694@mail.toward.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Ah, it's takes a resident to answer this one. Yes, you can go west on Franconia. It's just not directly. Exit eastbound, then get on the entrance ramp for 95 southbound and instead of getting on 95 getoff to Franconia eastbound - it's a combined exit. Clear? LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner Chris Norloff asked: Hi, all, Can I exit I-95 Southbound HOV lanes to get on Franconia Road (eastbound)? I need to get some wheel bearings for my sidecar, and Motion Industries (Fleet Dr. off Franconia) has them. thanks, Chris Norloff _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 15:53:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f16.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EJrW625915 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:41:57 -0700 Received: from 209.119.26.40 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:41:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.119.26.40] From: "Dexter Medley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Crystal City Cyclists- Ride to Lunch Next Wednesday! Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:41:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2001 19:41:57.0736 (UTC) FILETIME=[2DD33E80:01C124F9] If you moto commute to work in Crystal City (or anywhere nearby) and would like to ride to lunch with a group, we're doing it next Wednesday, rain date Thursday, to the Capitol City Brewpub in Shirlington at 12:30/1pm. See http://www.xhost.org/cccycles. It would be nice to see who owns all those bikes we see scattered around the streets and parking lots! Regards, Larry Larson & Chris Leithiser, from USPTO _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 15:55:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EJtt625929 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from M2W017 ([168.144.108.17]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:56:24 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 128.221.131.120 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Paint shop Sender: "sdave@XXXXXX" From: "sdave@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:54:45 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2001 19:56:24.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[328F2E00:01C124FB] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f7EJtu625930 I know a couple of neighborhood "artists" who will decorate your bike while you sleep, for free. Very unique work. ;-) They'll do your cage too or brighten up those plain old boring concrete walls. What a deal! Just park on the street, preferably far away from streetlamps. And you can get some darn good work ! Of course, you could end up involved in a .... situation ... by having the wrong... colors... ;-) Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 15:57:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13007.mail.yahoo.com (web13007.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7EJvv626003 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010814195756.3117.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.101.175.2] by web13007.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:57:56 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:57:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeremy Purdy Subject: Re: Crystal City Bikers.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200108132300.f7DN01x03819@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would be up for that. My suggestions would be for either the Sports Pub on 23rd, or CCR (if no women will be attending). Nothing better than street parking for either location, but I am sure several of us could share a spot. -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star Classic - Jeade'en > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:20:58 -0400 > From: "William J. Huson" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Crystal City Bikers.... > > Shortly before I left on a vacation putt, someone > suggested that the > bikers who regularly commute to Crystal City get up > for lunch. So how > about it? Let's pick a place and a day and do it. > > Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 16:01:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9606.mail.yahoo.com (web9606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7EK1B626088 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010814200107.68369.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9606.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:01:07 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:01:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: Crystal City Bikers.... To: Jeremy Purdy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010814195756.3117.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CCR is right down the street from me, though! ;-) I was wondering about the Sports Pub, too, but I'll try to come wherever it is... - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- Jeremy Purdy wrote: > I would be up for that. > > My suggestions would be for either the Sports Pub on > 23rd, or CCR (if no women will be attending). > > Nothing better than street parking for either > location, but I am sure several of us could share a > spot. > > -- > Jeremy Purdy > '00 Yamaha V-Star Classic - Jeade'en > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 16:24:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rubidium.acs.org (rubidium.acs.org [216.143.112.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EKOJ626438 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash58.acs.org (wash58 [172.26.253.26]) by rubidium.acs.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f7EKNCf05350 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by WASH58 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:19:22 -0400 Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE96046FC21F@WASH58> From: Jason Picton To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Looking for a good machine shop Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:19:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does any know of a good machine shop in MD/VA/DC that does good work. I need to have the original engine for my commuter (76 cb550) bike bored and possibly have sleeves put in, the motor in it now is starting to die. I have got a kit that comes with Cylinder sleeves, pistons, rings, circlips, wrist pins, head & base gaskets. I am looking for work done to the donor motor and getting the kit installed. It is not a rush job, I have other bikes to ride. However, I would like to get this done reasonably soon. TIA Jason From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 16:41:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11206.mail.yahoo.com (web11206.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.188]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7EKf9626691 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010814204108.83490.qmail@web11206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11206.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:41:08 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:41:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Just received a Virus To: DC Cycles , DC Cycles II MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just received this virus (with attachment) to my Yahoo account. Beware!!! From: "bigtrucks" To: m_rosenstock@XXXXXX Subject: Southern Md Electric Coop Inc Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:53:09 -0700 Hi! How are you? I send you this file in order to have your advice See you later. Thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 16:59:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7EKxr627043 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-7.patriot.net [209.249.181.7]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f7EKxmw28427; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:59:48 -0400 Message-ID: <3B798FD6.B1F47D49@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:53:42 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains References: <20010814145221.37344.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > I don't think torque is the problem. > > How long do O-ring chains last on dirt bikes? I'll > bet the guys with 20,000 mile chains don't ride on > very many dirt roads. Had an O-ring chain on my 550 Suzuki, bugger was toast at 12K. I suspect I *cooked* the o-rings running hi-speed. Discovered I could buy three standard chains for the price of one highly overrated o-ring and made the switch. Surprise, the standard chains lasted just as long and were easy to replace. Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 17:13:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp7vepub.verizon.net (smtp7vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.28]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7ELD9627305 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.bellatlantic.net (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp7vepub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id QAA388315 Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:13:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010814165843.00abd100@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:58:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Fwd: Re: Just received a Virus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:58:36 -0400 >To: Matthew Rosenstock >From: Larry Larson >Subject: Re: Just received a Virus > >At 04:41 PM 8/14/01, you wrote: >>I just received this virus (with attachment) to my >>Yahoo account. Beware!!! >> >>Hi! How are you? >> >>I send you this file in order to have your advice >> >>See you later. Thanks > >Consider yourself lucky. I've received over 4,000 copies of >this virus message at work in the last two and a half weeks. >No joke. > >-- Larry From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 17:14:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp5vepub.verizon.net (smtp5vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.26]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7ELEw627327 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.bellatlantic.net (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp5vepub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id QAA46335099 Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:14:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010814165914.00abbc70@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:00:38 -0400 To: Matthew Rosenstock , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Fwd: Re: Just received a Virus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>>Hi! How are you? >>> >>>I send you this file in order to have your advice >>> >>>See you later. Thanks Oh, by the way, if you're going to write email filters, it comes in English, Spanish, and at least one far eastern language I haven't identified. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 17:21:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp5vepub.verizon.net (smtp5vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.26]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7ELL7627477 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.bellatlantic.net (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp5vepub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id QAA45724211 Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:20:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010814170237.00aac840@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:06:45 -0400 To: Jeremy Purdy , Jeannette From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Crystal City Bikers.... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010814195756.3117.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200108132300.f7DN01x03819@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi, Jeremy and Jeannette - We chose to set up a short ride to Shirlington. Please see http://www.xhost.org/cccycles. We didn't want to go to the Sports Pub since we walk there once or twice a week, anyway -- only 200 yards from the office, and lousy parking. Dull. 8;) And we didn't want CCR since all the Harley club nudie bar poker runs go there, anyway. Maybe we should have picked Hops in Potomca Yard, or Old Town (thought about it, but parking's a bear there too). Maybe next time. Tnx -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 19:41:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7ENfG629951 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.3.) id 2.d.191b4dd4 (4000) for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:41:08 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:41:07 EDT Subject: Re: U-Boat ride across WV (long-part 1) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/14/2001 11:33:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > Guardrails? we don't need no > stinkin' guard rails! "Luckily I didnt go into the mountain... I went over the cliff." Arlo Guthre the Motorcycle Song monologue. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 19:55:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7ENtA600340 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.3.) id 2.27.19e0b259 (4000) for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:54:45 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <27.19e0b259.28ab1444@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:54:44 EDT Subject: Re: Crystal City Bikers.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/14/2001 4:00:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, purdyjeremy@XXXXXX writes: > Nothing better than street parking for either > location, Parking at the brew pub includes a new parking garage behind Charlie Changs (between the shops and 395.) It is free, on the lower floors, I park there every day. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 20:39:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11508.mail.yahoo.com (web11508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7F0dV601005 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010815003930.78817.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.10.42.127] by web11508.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:39:30 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:39:30 -0700 (PDT) From: ricardo pontes Subject: gps mount for a r1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <002b01c124d7$621386e0$b706243f@cfoatty3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone know a good way to install a gps mount from RAM on a yamaha R1? I use one on my tiger, but the handle bars and just about everything on my r1 is a bit square and unable to take the gps. Or does anyone know of a mount i can buy just for the yamaha r1? Ricardo Pontes 98 Tiger 01 R1 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 22:09:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7F298602479 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.3.) id 1.e0.19005a91 (659); Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:09:00 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:09:00 EDT Subject: Re: Yippee!!! New Bike!!! To: sean.jordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e0.19005a91.28ab33bc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 --part1_e0.19005a91.28ab33bc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sean.jordan@XXXXXX writes: > No way anybody's going to keep up with you now! Congratulations on the new > Thanks Sean...I think! :) Actually I was hoping someone would organize a ride next weekend. I had a blast meeting all the people who turned out for that ride last fall. It's been killing me not to ride and now I'm looking forward to putting some miles in before winter. So...if no one organizes a ride I guess I will. And don't worry...the pace won't be that fast. I'm real rusty from the long lay-off. Just ask Todd Withrow. I went out to look at his trailer today (first day I rode the bike) and fell over in his driveway!!! I'm off to a great start! So anyone still interested in riding next weekend let me know. We can do the same type of route from Haymarket or I think I can still remember some good roads around Winchester... Steve Broadstreet 01 ZX-9R (Poor thing is in for a rough life! LOL) --part1_e0.19005a91.28ab33bc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sean.jordan@XXXXXX writes:

No way anybody's going to keep up with you now! Congratulations on the new
scoot!


Thanks Sean...I think!  :)
Actually I was hoping someone would organize a ride next weekend. I had a
blast meeting all the people who turned out for that ride last fall. It's
been killing me not to ride and now I'm looking forward to putting some miles
in before winter.
So...if no one organizes a ride I guess I will. And don't worry...the pace
won't be that fast. I'm real rusty from the long lay-off. Just ask Todd
Withrow. I went out to look at his trailer today (first day I rode the bike)
and fell over in his driveway!!! I'm off to a great start!
So anyone still interested in riding next weekend let me know. We can do the
same type of route from Haymarket or I think I can still remember some good
roads around Winchester...

Steve Broadstreet
01 ZX-9R (Poor thing is in for a rough life!  LOL)
--part1_e0.19005a91.28ab33bc_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 14 23:08:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp4vepub.verizon.net (smtp4vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7F38p603460 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.bellatlantic.net (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp4vepub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id WAA72138174 Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:08:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010814225255.00aa5400@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:54:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Crystal City Bikers.... In-Reply-To: <27.19e0b259.28ab1444@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:54 PM 8/14/01, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 8/14/2001 4:00:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >purdyjeremy@XXXXXX writes: > > > Nothing better than street parking for either > > location, > >Parking at the brew pub includes a new parking garage behind Charlie Changs >(between the shops and 395.) 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Scott Luttrell Fast & Wily Racing www.fastandwily.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 07:59:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7FBxs612338 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:59:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200108150759.AA24510992@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: I-95 S HOV exit to Franconia Rd? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Doug Allis" >Can anyone care tell me why the "Springfield Mall" is really on the >Franconia side of I-95 on Franconia Road.... Well, I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 08:00:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11208.mail.yahoo.com (web11208.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.190]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7FC0r612421 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010815120052.53450.qmail@web11208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11208.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 05:00:52 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 05:00:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Tank Bag 4 Sale To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a Covercraft Cargo-Tech tank bag for sale. Never used. Still in perfect condition. $15 first come first serve. Originally retailed for $40. 12 liter / 747 cubic inches of storage Easy gas tank access Soft, protective inner bottom liner Tough, waterproof 600 denier fabric Webbed 3 point mouinting system with quick release cam-lock buckles Sturdy web handle Two way zippers for easy storage access Removable, reversible, 2 panel map holder Mounting instructions Also, I still have a DOW Canvas half cover. Brand new still in the box. Also $15.00 first come first serve. These are the last items I will post for sale. Any questions, drop me an e-mail offline. I work in Rockville and live in North Potomac. Thanks. Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 08:04:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7FC4P612431 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:03:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200108150803.AA118423606@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: I-95 S HOV exit to Franconia Rd? X-Mailer: Oh, that sounds good! Actually, I didn't see the cloverleaf for Leon's 630 deg. turn - but I did see lots of orange construction barrels forming a wide median as soon as I got off on Old Keene Mill Rd. So a quick U and I was eastbound and happy. best, Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:23:30 -0400 >Chris, > >There's another way if you're going to take the HOV lanes, especially if >you are trying to avoid the whole mess at the interchange: > >- Exit at Springfield onto Old Keene Mill Rd. >- First right onto Brandon >- Second right onto Commerce >- Commerce will take you back across I-95 >- Right onto Franconia Rd. at the big 4-way intersection w/traffic light > >Chuck > >Chris Norloff wrote : >> >> Thanks, sounds like the consensus is I can go west on Old Keene Mill but not east on Franconia - directly. >> >> I think I'll try Leon's method: > >-- >"Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." >-- Buckaroo Banzai >visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 08:06:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7FC6S612511 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:05:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200108150805.AA92536880@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: good Bearing supply house X-Mailer: Motion Industries had the bearings, and they were a perfect fit. And sealed bearings, too. Even got a short education on the numbering of bearings and what it means (6000 bearings are all single-row ball bearings, for example). Pretty good when you can take bearings off an old Russian-built sidecar and get replacements immediately! These folks are great. They ship out quick, take credit cards, and are very friendly and helpful - even if all you spend is $14 for two bearings. The last time I used them they actually apologized that it would take two days to get my bearings to me rather than one day. (!!!) Motion Industries, on Fleet Drive in Springfield (phone book says Alexandria). best, -- Chris Norloff, Virginia '92 Honda ST1100 ABS STOC #1290 '90 Honda Pacific Coast (PC800) "Callipygian" '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar "Soul-less Appliance" - a pejorative term for a motorcycle that doesn't break down. -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 08:45:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7FCja613189 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nova.org (localhost.nova.org [127.0.0.1]) by beta.nova.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f7FCjXL53220 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:45:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kirk@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <200108151245.f7FCjXL53220@beta.nova.org> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:45:33 -0000 To: Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains From: "Kirk Roy" X-Mailer: TWIG 2.6.2 In-Reply-To: <200108142301.f7EN1Mc29196@dirty.meretrix.com> Leon wrote: > I don't think torque is the problem. > > How long do O-ring chains last on dirt bikes? I'll > bet the guys with 20,000 mile chains don't ride on > very many dirt roads. An O-ring chain on a dirt bike has a life measured in hours, not miles. Depending on specific conditions I would estimate an o-ring chain to last about 20-30 hours on a bike used in the woods on the east coast (where there's lots of water and lots of grit) if the owner is not big into constantly doing maintenance (e.g., me). That makes for about 4 chains a year or so, if you ride a lot. Dale, before you say that 80-120 hours a year isn't riding a lot I welcome you to follow me for just an hour... :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 09:33:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c001.snv.cp.net (c001-h008.c001.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7FDXD613960 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 26595 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2001 06:32:55 -0700 Received: from raven.cscoe.accenture.com (HELO truck.lemrow.com) (63.79.101.3) by smtp.lemrow.com (209.228.32.122) with SMTP; 15 Aug 2001 06:32:55 -0700 X-Sent: 15 Aug 2001 13:32:55 GMT Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010815092005.01f3a610@mail.lemrow.com> X-Sender: firblt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:21:18 -0400 To: ricardo pontes , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Justin Lemrow Subject: Re: gps mount for a r1 In-Reply-To: <20010815003930.78817.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <002b01c124d7$621386e0$b706243f@cfoatty3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ricardo, check www.saeng.com they have an array of mounts... I would guess that the center stem mount would work. I've got one on my VFR and it's great. :) Ride Safe, Justin >Anyone know a good way to install a gps mount from RAM >on a yamaha R1? 1999 VFR 800 Northern VA/Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 10:22:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f203.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7FEMm614826 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:22:32 -0700 Received: from 151.200.109.76 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:22:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.76] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Madison! Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:22:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2001 14:22:32.0719 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8FF79F0:01C12595] Anyone on this list planning to be in Madison, Alabama for the start of this years IronButt Rally? That's a be there by 8:30am August 27th. Tom Gimer and I will be making our way down there to watch the start, say hi to friends and wish everyone a safe 11 days. Let me know and we may be able to hook up with ya. Todd (Springfield, VA) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 10:27:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14008.mail.yahoo.com (web14008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.124]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7FERI614926 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010815142717.72204.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.25] by web14008.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:27:17 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:27:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200108151245.f7FCjXL53220@beta.nova.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Kirk Roy wrote: > An O-ring chain on a dirt bike has a life measured > in hours, not miles. > Depending on specific conditions I would estimate an > o-ring chain to last > about 20-30 hours on a bike used in the woods on the > east coast (where So what kind of chain should I put on a bike that goes on gravel roads? Do non-o-ring chains last any longer? If I ride a couple hundred miles on a gravel road on a rainy day, does that mean that the chain will be used up after the next 4000 miles of pavement? (80 hours x 50 mph) This would seem to be the case for the chain that quit while I was in Alaska. The new chain hasn't quit yet, but perhaps the new o-rings didn't let any dirt get past them yet. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 10:28:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7FESg614941 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-163-103-196.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.163.103.196) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2001 14:28:41 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Madison! Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:18:57 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Oooh, oooh, me, me. I wanna go. Reeeeaaaallly bad. Really. Then I want to ride to Canada, then I wanna ride back to Madison for the end of the Rally. LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner Todd Peer said: Anyone on this list planning to be in Madison, Alabama for the start of this years IronButt Rally? That's a be there by 8:30am August 27th. Tom Gimer and I will be making our way down there to watch the start, say hi to friends and wish everyone a safe 11 days. Let me know and we may be able to hook up with ya. Todd (Springfield, VA) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 10:59:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7FExc615452 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GI400AHA6Z2XU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:59:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GI4008016YODS@XXXXXX>; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:59:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GI40077I6YGTI@XXXXXX>; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:59:05 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:58:35 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: Kirk Roy Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B7A8E1B.DF7AD840@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200108151245.f7FCjXL53220@beta.nova.org> Kirk Roy wrote: > > Dale, before you say that 80-120 hours a year isn't > riding a lot I welcome you to follow me for just an hour... :) Kirk, I doubt I could follow you for a few minutes before losing you. Dirt or street. :) Hork -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 11:03:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7FF3q615546 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nova.org (localhost.nova.org [127.0.0.1]) by beta.nova.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f7FF3nL67792; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:03:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kirk@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <200108151503.f7FF3nL67792@beta.nova.org> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:03:45 -0000 To: "Leon Begeman" , "Kirk Roy" , Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains From: "Kirk Roy" X-Mailer: TWIG 2.6.2 In-Reply-To: <20010815142717.72204.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Leon Begeman said: > --- Kirk Roy wrote: > > An O-ring chain on a dirt bike has a life measured in hours, not miles. > > Depending on specific conditions I would estimate an o-ring chain to last > > about 20-30 hours on a bike used in the woods on the east coast (where > > So what kind of chain should I put on a bike that goes > on gravel roads? Do non-o-ring chains last any > longer? Non-o-ring chains are used on dirt bikes for one reason - efficiency. That's why motocross bikes come with non-o-ring chains. They're meant for speed, not longevity. One good ride in the woods (2-4 hours) and a non-o-ring chain is toast. > If I ride a couple hundred miles on a gravel road on a > rainy day, does that mean that the chain will be used > up after the next 4000 miles of pavement? I doubt it would be that bad. The chain and rear sprocket on a dirt bike tend to come in direct contact with dirt and rocks. Grit gets ground into the chain from this direct contact. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 11:06:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7FF66615645 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA07371 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:00:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:00:21 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Leon how was your trip to Alaska? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How about sharing with us the results of your trip to Alaska? Did you do the Prudoe Bay (sp?) - Key West run? Hugh From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 11:14:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7FFEI615755 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (65.14.174.34) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2001 15:14:17 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: drive shafts vs chains Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:12:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c125b5$e89b88a0$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 -----Original Message----- From: rydin [mailto:rydin@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:48 AM To: 'Leon Begeman' Subject: RE: drive shafts vs chains On my DR650 I used to get between 10K and 15K miles on a chain, but I used to take it offroad every once in awhile and submersed it in mud on several occassions. The first chain on my BMW F650 lasted about 11 even though the bike hardly saw any dirt. According to the F650 gospel (at www.F650.com) the original chain is not strong enough for this bike. I've installed the famous DID X-Ring chain which many claim gives them up to 30K even with dirt riding in the mix. We'll have to wait and see. BTW the X chain has less friction than the O-Ring or WX-Ring chains and supposedly adds a couple of horsepower (I've heard 3-4 HP actually) to rear wheel measurements. Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 7:27 AM To: Kirk Roy; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains --- Kirk Roy wrote: > An O-ring chain on a dirt bike has a life measured > in hours, not miles. > Depending on specific conditions I would estimate an > o-ring chain to last > about 20-30 hours on a bike used in the woods on the > east coast (where So what kind of chain should I put on a bike that goes on gravel roads? Do non-o-ring chains last any longer? If I ride a couple hundred miles on a gravel road on a rainy day, does that mean that the chain will be used up after the next 4000 miles of pavement? (80 hours x 50 mph) This would seem to be the case for the chain that quit while I was in Alaska. The new chain hasn't quit yet, but perhaps the new o-rings didn't let any dirt get past them yet. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 11:28:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3806.mail.yahoo.com (web3806.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.111.177]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7FFSB616019 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010815152810.26507.qmail@web3806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web3806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:28:10 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:28:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Photos/Movies of WERA National To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Photos of the recent WERA National weekend at Summit Point are on dccycles.com courtesy of lister George Cole. There are also a few .MOV files available. Enjoy: http://www.dccycles.com/summit_aug_5_01.htm to go directly to the photos, or http://www.dccycles.com then click on photos and then on the link to the WERA National page. ===== Chris Weaver VTR1000 YSR50 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 12:01:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f305.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.180]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7FG1B616590 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:49:45 -0700 Received: from 24.4.252.26 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:49:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.4.252.26] From: "Jay Block" To: BobJustice@XXXXXX, bpickels@XXXXXX, bussep@XXXXXX, ccurtis@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, frankmazz1@XXXXXX, hwhay@XXXXXX, LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX, maggireid@XXXXXX, m-riders@XXXXXX, qeverett@XXXXXX, replaw@XXXXXX Subject: ABATE Bull Roast Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:49:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2001 15:49:45.0653 (UTC) FILETIME=[E811D650:01C125A1] Is anyone interested in tickets for the Bull Roast on 9/23 at La Fountaine Bleu in Glen Burnie? Tickets are $20.00 if purchased by 8/24 and 25.00 afterwards. If you call me I will hold them for you but I will still need a check, payable to me or ABATE asap. Jay Block 410-356-6555. (If I'm not in leave the message with Kim, my legal assistant.) P.S. Charlie, I don't have all of the Motor Corps email addresses, so if you would forward this to them, I'd appreciate it. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 14:00:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7FI0j618696 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CJ144294A (A040-0526.MLE2.splitrock.net [64.198.132.18]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f7FI0gZ231516; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:00:42 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: I-95 S HOV exit to Franconia Rd?__DANGER Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:00:42 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200108150803.AA118423606@mail.toward.com> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 FYI- If you do get off at Old Keene Mill/Franconia (OKM/F) and head west and pull a Uee, UE, Youee, (Forget it- U-Turn) and are tempted to get gas at the nice, well-lit Mobil station up on the right-watch out because their front drive is unpaved--all gravel (not just little gravel, big-a-s-s chunks that will reach out and yank your front tire out from under you faster than you can say, "Damn, hope I have my SPEEDPASS on the bike keycha....") Rob C- PS=-You Could ask how I know this, but it'll just bring back bad memories... > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 8:04 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: I-95 S HOV exit to Franconia Rd? > > > Oh, that sounds good! > > Actually, I didn't see the cloverleaf for Leon's 630 deg. turn - > but I did see lots of orange construction barrels forming a wide > median as soon as I got off on Old Keene Mill Rd. So a quick U > and I was eastbound and happy. > > best, > Chris Norloff > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Chuck Pena > Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:23:30 -0400 > > >Chris, > > > >There's another way if you're going to take the HOV lanes, especially if > >you are trying to avoid the whole mess at the interchange: > > > >- Exit at Springfield onto Old Keene Mill Rd. > >- First right onto Brandon > >- Second right onto Commerce > >- Commerce will take you back across I-95 > >- Right onto Franconia Rd. at the big 4-way intersection w/traffic light > > > >Chuck > > > >Chris Norloff wrote : > >> > >> Thanks, sounds like the consensus is I can go west on Old > Keene Mill but not east on Franconia - directly. > >> > >> I think I'll try Leon's method: > > > >-- > >"Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." > >-- Buckaroo Banzai > >visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 14:35:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10506.mail.yahoo.com (web10506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7FIZQ619334 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010815183524.88203.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.116.115] by web10506.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:35:24 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:35:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Paint shop recommendation again - I am a knucklehead To: DC Bike List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey guys, I asked for recommendations for a paintshop, and got one for a custom guy in Fairfax. i thought I saved it when I was cleaning my inbox. But I did not. Can I get that again. I forgot who sent it to me. Thanks, Todd (Last time. I promise.) ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 15:29:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7FJTd620202 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-63.208.164.233.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [63.208.164.233]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA16272; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B7ACDED.A0F2AF20@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:30:53 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Withrow CC: DC Bike List Subject: Re: Paint shop recommendation again - I am a knucklehead References: <20010815183524.88203.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd, Custom Cycle Studio (can't remember the owner/painter) 4401 San Marcos Dr. Fairfax, VA (703) 385-4918 Chuck Todd Withrow wrote: > > Hey guys, I asked for recommendations for a paintshop, > and got one for a custom guy in Fairfax. i thought I > saved it when I was cleaning my inbox. But I did not. > > Can I get that again. I forgot who sent it to me. -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 15:45:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7FJjv620539 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-63.208.164.233.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [63.208.164.233]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14440 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B7AD1C0.24438814@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:47:12 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Java Shack tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone else is interested in joining us, George Cole and I are riding our m/c's to The Java Shack for coffee this evening. Probably get there around 8-ish. The Java Shack 2507 N. Randolph Rd. Arlington, VA (703) 527-9556 http://www.javashack.com Chuck -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 15:50:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7FJoN620629 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-63.208.164.233.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [63.208.164.233]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14651; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B7AD2CA.97CCC142@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:51:38 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: the_penas@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: CORRECTION Re: Java Shack tonight References: <3B7AD1C0.24438814@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Senior moment. Brain fade. The correct address for The Java Shack is: 2507 N. Franklin Rd. Arlington, VA OOPS! Sorry! Chuck Chuck Pena wrote: > > If anyone else is interested in joining us, George Cole and I are riding > our m/c's to The Java Shack for coffee this evening. Probably get there > around 8-ish. > > The Java Shack > 2507 N. Randolph Rd. > Arlington, VA > (703) 527-9556 > > http://www.javashack.com > > Chuck > > -- > "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." > -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 16:59:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7FKxF621672 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.3.) id 2.10e.3ff6681 (17084) for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:59:05 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <10e.3ff6681.28ac3c99@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:59:05 EDT Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 8/15/2001 8:47:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: > I would estimate an o-ring chain to last > about 20-30 hours on a bike used in the woods on the east coast (where > there's lots of water and lots of grit) When I was running enduros in Florida we could put a chain, (non O ring) run the enduro, throw it away. By the way most enduros were under 100mi. It was all sand, fine mud, and water and if you could not run in that water up to the bottom of your fuel tank you might as well stay home. god that was fun! John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 17:16:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10007.mail.yahoo.com (web10007.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7FLGR622015 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010815211626.96353.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.195.52] by web10007.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:16:26 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Nomad Subject: Speed Trap-Rt 110 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200108082301.f78N1LH03861@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Beware: Speed Trap spotted @ ~5pm North bound on Route 110 in Arlington, just past the Pentagon. Radar and 5 cruisers poised to stop speeders in this 35mph limit area. Herb '99 VFR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 17:21:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13802.mail.yahoo.com (web13802.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7FLLQ622115 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010815212125.8959.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13802.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:21:25 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:21:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Speed Trap-Rt 110 To: Nomad , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010815211626.96353.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, they are cracking down there. I saw a state trooper there recently. Never saw enforcement before. --- Nomad wrote: > Beware: Speed Trap spotted @ ~5pm North bound on > Route 110 in > Arlington, just past the Pentagon. Radar and 5 > cruisers poised to > stop speeders in this 35mph limit area. > > Herb > '99 VFR > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 17:32:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14007.mail.yahoo.com (web14007.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7FLWg622381 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010815213241.43868.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.25] by web14007.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:32:41 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:32:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Speed Trap-Rt 110 To: Mark Kitchell , Nomad , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010815212125.8959.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, you know they got all those cars that aren't patrolling the 395 HOV lanes anymore, there aren't nearly as many people running 20 over now that they raised the speed limit. Perhaps this is where they have to go now to get the reckless driving revenue. Leon. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Yeah, they are cracking down there. I saw a state > trooper there recently. Never saw enforcement > before. > > --- Nomad wrote: > > Beware: Speed Trap spotted @ ~5pm North bound on > > Route 110 in > > Arlington, just past the Pentagon. Radar and 5 > > cruisers poised to > > stop speeders in this 35mph limit area. > > > > Herb > > '99 VFR > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > > with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > ===== > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 17:45:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (azog.public.hq.nasa.gov [198.116.65.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7FLjW622611 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woc-rwintersw2k.annapurna.com ([131.182.119.81]) by azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22878 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010815174159.02beac40@mail.nova.org> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:45:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Speed Trap-Rt 110 In-Reply-To: <20010815213241.43868.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010815212125.8959.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:32 PM 8/15/2001 -0700, Leon Begeman wrote: >Well, you know they got all those cars that aren't >patrolling the 395 HOV lanes anymore, there aren't >nearly as many people running 20 over now that they >raised the speed limit. Perhaps this is where they >have to go now to get the reckless driving revenue. I saw a state trooper pull someone over on Washington Blvd, west of Glebe, this morning. I'd never seen that before, either -- It's a 2-lane suburban street. Today must be Arlington day for state troopers. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 17:49:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7FLnJ622623 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from michael (pool-63.49.151.166.bltm.grid.net [63.49.151.166]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA25516 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003401c125d4$a528e620$36cdfea9@michael> From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: <20010813193622.48694.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> <3B783ED4.9DECA2D6@home.com> <01081320464306.03447@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Subject: Re: drive shafts vs chains Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:52:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > On Monday 13 August 2001 16:55, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > I wish I could! I'd love something like a Bandit > > 1200 with a shaft drive. But there are no choices > > like that out there Perhaps not new, but there are a few GSX 1100Gs out there in the $3.5K range Michael J, From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 19:27:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f78.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7FNRZ624330 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:15:30 -0700 Received: from 24.4.252.20 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:15:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.4.252.20] From: "Blake S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Poker Run this Saturday Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:15:30 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2001 23:15:30.0634 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D5212A0:01C125E0] Hey everyone.. just thought i'd let you all know that there'll be a VERY NICE poker run this saturday sponsered by the Combat Veterans of America Motorcycle Club (VFW post 1503 in Dale City). IT's a nice long (180 mile) run (with rest stops of course), heading into the western part of virginia, through skyline drive, and some of the prettiest land around (trust me..i've been running this route with these guys for the past month and a half). If any are intrested, its open to everyone and anyone. Cost is only 15 bucks per bike, and all proceeds go to the veterans in the Spinal Care Unit at the McGuire VA Hospital in Richmond, Virginia. For more Information head over to: http://www.dcwyman.com/cvamc/afr/index.html or for the flyer: http://www.dcwyman.com/cvamc/images/afrflypic.jpg There'll be coffee and doughnuts before the ride, and a picnic and door prizes afterwards. the ride begins and ends at post 1503. I hope to see some of the DC cyclists out there. I'll be driving the chase truck (some how got volunteered for it) so if any of you run out of gas or break down, I'll be the one helping you out.. hope to see you there, Blake Dale City, VA 1998 Yamaha V-star 650 Custom 1982 Yamaha Vision (XZ550) (black) 1982 Yamaha Vision (XZ550) (yellow now, soon to be red) 1978 Yamaha XS650 1978 Yamaha GT80 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 21:17:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web20101.mail.yahoo.com (web20101.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7G1HC625928 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010816011711.21981.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.252.8.97] by web20101.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:17:11 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:17:11 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: looking for brake parts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii aside from breakers (salvage yards) and dealers are there outfits that sell brake pieces like master cylinders, levers (eg. the 3 or 4 piece ones), calipers etc? I know Dennis Kirk does levers and cables but I don't recall seeing master cylinders etc. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 21:38:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web20105.mail.yahoo.com (web20105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f7G1cm626269 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010816013847.46311.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.252.8.97] by web20105.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:38:47 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:38:47 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: OT: need firewood To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii anybody got a 1/4 cord or so of wood they can part with? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 15 23:06:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f7G36q627584 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CJ144294A (A040-0308.MLE2.splitrock.net [64.198.131.54]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f7G36oL207110 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:0