From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 02:00:31 2000 From: "David VFR Thompson" To: Cc: Subject: Re:New England Trip Advice? Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:32:36 -0400 First, Check out the North American Sportbike Road Registry http://www.execpc.com/~ytk/ There's lot's of roads "rider rated" roads in each State. Also, The VFR list has run the WDGAH ride out of Lake George for the past 3 years & I happen to have a detailed ride map that loops through the Adirondacks & Vermont to catch some of the great roads in the area, many of them are listed on the website above. If you're interested, E-mail me off list & I'll send the maps David "RoutemeiSTer" Thompson http://home.rochester.rr.com/backroads/ Rochester NY AMA# 504560 STOC# 840 Current STable 90 Suzuki DR350S 91 Honda ST1100 94 Honda VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 07:20:19 2000 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: JReazor@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 07:20:06 -0400 Subject: RE: Brand New Zoo James wrote... >DC Cycles-ers, > I'm happy to report that I took delivery of my first bike in >many years today. I ordered a Suzuki SV650 form cyclecity1.com >about a week ago and it was delivered this afternoon as promised. >The bike was hauled out here from Erie PA. Too weird. Too slick for Erie (population = one third the number of people that stand on the DC Mall during 4th of July fireworks). My wife will never believe this. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '58 / '65 Triton "kit" http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 07:43:37 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 04:43:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: New England Trip Advice? (was Important Question) To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Actually the highest point on the east coast is probably Mt. Mitchell in North Carolina reaching 6,684 feet above sea level (which has seen snow in August before). Mount Washington is 6,288 feet above sea level. Glenn --- MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > Lessee now - Vermont Route 9 (across the southern > part of the state) is a > nice ride. Climbing Mt. Washington (highest point on > the eastern seaboard) is pretty much de rigeur - the ranger at the base will __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 07:49:00 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 04:48:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket To: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Matt, that really sux about your friend. The thing that really sux is he told the cop what might have happened. With that the cop gave him the Reckless ticket. Same thing happened to my father about four years ago. Lesson he learned is to remember in a situation like this is to keep your mouth shut as the cop has no evidence of what happened. When you admit you went to wide, fell asleep, went to fast, etc the cop has all he needs to write the ticket. The thing that really sux is they don't even have to tell you your rights an they are "investigating" the accident at the time. Have him get a lawyer. My friend took care of the nine on the list and I think they are happy with his work. If you want his number drop me an e-mail. Glenn --- Big Matty wrote: > This past saturday I rode with a friend out to > Thornton's gap (skyline) and > we had a blast. We tore it up on the rode between > The Plains and Middleburg, along Route 647, and Rte. 55 along __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 07:56:19 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 04:55:59 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket To: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Since this list seems to have some people fairly knowledgeable about > reckless driving tickets, I'd like to pose a question: Will this ticket > hold up in court do you think? Obviously the cop did not witness a > thing, > neither did the people. There are no skid marks or anything else that > could > possibly indicate speed. He told the cop (apparently) that he was going > along, looked back over his shoulder (for me) as he was getting near the > end > of that straightway, and then the curve was there before he realized it. this seems really odd to me. I got into an accident in VA along I-66 over a year ago when I was first starting to ride before I could get into any of the MSF courses. anyway I wasn't doing much if any over the speed limit and the cars infront of me started slowing down. well me in my *great* wisdom hit the rear break too hard and locked it up causing me to go sliding down the road. after being taken to the hospital a cop comes by and asks what happened and I told him. he basically told me that it was a single car accident that he wouldn't write a ticket because it wouldn't hold up in court. I'd say fight it since he has no proof of what really happened so he can't say that he was doing anything wrong. lots of things can go wrong even without speeding. even if he was half mile in the woods all he'd have to say is I was trying to keep the bike up. Cops got no proof so he should be able to get off. plus the only person he hurt was himself. that's just my .02 cents Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 08:11:40 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:11:29 -0400 From: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket bryan main wrote: > > He told the cop (apparently) that he was going along, > looked back over his shoulder (for me) as he was getting near the > end of that straightway, and then the curve was there before he realized it. > > > I'd say fight it since he has no proof of what really happened so he can't > say that he was doing anything wrong. Unfortunately, yes he does. see the snipped section above. Whatever you tell the cop at an accident investigation is a statement that can be entered into evidence in court... while an admission of guilt isn't admissible as evidence in Court, that's not Traffic Court... Where the Constitution means nothing. > lots of things can go wrong even without speeding. And for that, they have the catch all 'failure to control vehicle'. > even if he was half mile in the woods all he'd have to > say is I was trying to keep the bike up. Exercise your right to remain silent, or lie - 'a deer jumped out in front of me. I avoided it'. That isn't ticketable, generally speaking. Talk to a lawyer... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 08:13:23 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:05:15 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New England Trip Advice? (was Important Question) True. And Mt Mitchell is easy access from the BR pkwy, great scoot ride. Bill Glenn Dysart wrote: > Actually the highest point on the east coast is > probably Mt. Mitchell in North Carolina reaching 6,684 > feet above sea level (which has seen snow in August > before). Mount Washington is 6,288 feet above sea > level. > > Glenn > > --- MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > Lessee now - Vermont Route 9 (across the southern > > part of the state) is a > > nice ride. Climbing Mt. Washington (highest point on > > the eastern seaboard) is > pretty much de rigeur - the ranger at the base > will > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 08:25:42 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:25:24 EDT Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket To: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX A ticket for being in a one vehicle accident... sheez... I should tell my son to be more careful on his tricycle (he falls over all the time - wearing a helmet of course). Incredible... but then again, this did happen in Virginia - No? Not to make you feel worse - but this is yet another example of why it pays to ride with friends in a group! Your friend was in no condition to be signing a ticket; and once a ticket is written - well then one gets "processed" (not the word I wanted to use - but P.C.). There should be a biker advocacy group in Virginia to handle stuff like this - free lawyers, etc. Hey any lawyers out there want to donate a little time? I should have followed my dreams of being a lawyer... I would take a case like this for no charge. //Sixy//97 Green and Cream//Valkyrie Tourer From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 08:33:50 2000 From: Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:28:46 -0400 Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket To: bryan main Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Yeah, this sucks, especially in a single vehicle accident. The guy has injuries, likely hospital bills and a wrecked bike. Can't that be enough of a lesson without the cops piling on with a reckless ticket? Perhaps they think he'll now feel more served and protected ... --chris To: vtrman@XXXXXX dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket Cops got no proof so he should be able to get off. plus the only person he hurt was himself. that's just my .02 cents Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 08:36:50 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'vtrman@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 05:34:44 -0700 Matt, My thoughts below... Perry >-----Original Message----- >From: Big Matty [mailto:vtrman@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 9:25 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: An accident, a ticket > >[snip]He basically woke up that night while in the MRI machine, and didn't remember anything after >meeting >me at 11 that morning. >[snip[He told the cop (apparently) that he was going along, looked back over his shoulder (for me) as >he was getting near the end of that straightway, and then the curve was there before he realized it. Since he was suffering from a head injury at the time, I have a feeling that any statement he made to the cop can be thrown out. Make sure to have an appropriate medical evaluation showing that he had a mild concussion, or whatever. That should make the lawyer's job a lot easier. [snip] >BTW, I can just see all the law-abiding, speed-limit-doing, overweight/overslow bike riding, members >of the list just itching to shoot off discussion & commentary about how us crazy sportbike riders deserve >to die for the crime of endangering ourselves. Well, here's to hoping for CONSTRUCTIVE responses >(i.e. those that will actually help the situation as it currently stands.) You might want to check the attitude at the door. Remember, to become old and wise, one must first survive being young and stupid... From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:10:20 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 06:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION!! On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > What the hell is the big lesbo fad all about? It just > don't make sense to me that it's OK for a woman to be > a diver but tabboo for a man to go around buggering > the world. > > Somebody please clear air, so to speak, and clue me > in. > Two for the price of one. Get em now while they're hot. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:22:26 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Chuck Pena Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 16:28:05 GMT |>ultimate price for his (not the police's) actions. Unless and until |>somebody can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that what the police in |>this case was wrong, the only person who should be charged and/or sued |>is the guy who was driving the m/c. How long did the chase last? Would it be reasonable and foresable that the bike would crash if the officer kept up a persuit, only for what he knew to be speeding violation at the time? It's funny, in other areas if a car is driving wild and erratic through heavy traffic a police force will call off the persuit for the safety of innocent people.. but what keeps the passenger from being considered innocent and endangered by the officer? merely because he assumed "they were together and equally guilty"? So an officer continues to persue fleeing suspect, knowing it could very well kill the innocent passenger.. on what started out as a speeding violation. I hope a hell of a lawyer sues the hell out of VA state police! why? because high speed persuits are DANGEROUS to officers and innocent citizens. I believe in a no chase policy unless a voilent felony has been commited. I will agree with popular oppinion that the rider is an imbecile, who was bound to set himself up as a darwin nominee. The passenger may very well be the award winner. Did the passenger NOT know the bike was stolen? did the passenger NOT know the operator would evade, and still got on? Did teh passenger NOT know there were drugs involved? Even if the passenger is guilty of all those things, that still does not excuse VA state police from contributing to the high speed chase which left the person dead. The police have no right to endanger anyone's life (even if guilty) merely in the name of doing their job. Hell the rider and passenger may have a history of riding together, but never had any problems until they were involved in this high speed persuit. Dangerous Life threatening High speed persuits for non volient crimes is just bad policy that results in people dying. It needs to be changed. Or do we need to see someone "a little more innocent" to die first? As if no innocent people have ever died from high speed persuits for non volient crimes. and let's not forget.. sometimes when these bikes smoke the cops on the open road, the cops see a second innocent bike and assume it's the same bike, and put that rider through all the B.S. of being guitly. I'm not here to say police are assholes (ok some are).. but I actually have a growing respect for them. A lot of them are riders, and are decent people.. I'm here to say high speed chases shoudln't be occuring without a GOOD reason. I would not count speeding as one of them. Nor most things non voilent. Most crimes warrants can be issued, and the suspects can only avoid the police for so long. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:33:18 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , "bryan main" Cc: , Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:32:12 -0700 It's likely that the cop felt that it was a convenient time to get another reckless conviction onto his record for his next salary or quota review. This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman. They get rewarded for this sort of behavior, so who can really be suprised? We gasp in disbelief at stories of corrupt police forces in third world countries, but at least their corruption isn't hidden by hypocritical morality lectures and fake sincerity. Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000 "Proudly Hating Cops Since 1969" -----Original Message----- From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX "Can't that be enough of a lesson without the cops piling on with a reckless ticket? Perhaps they think he'll now feel more served and protected ..." From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:35:40 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:35:25 EDT Subject: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX After chatting with Laura last evening I have reconfirmed I want another bike. Life is short, and there are a lot of folks with two bikes, right? Help me rationalize this - PLEASE. Requirements 1. I want a "Rev-happy" engine 2. I don't want children on 600(s) passing me :) (that's a joke, by the way...) 3. I don't want to have to visit a chiropractor (sp?) before and after each ride (my body is old) 4. I want a bike that is '"happy" at speed (see number one). 5. I don't want to have to trade the bike in after a year cause someone got something better (I know that's a tall order). Talk to me, people :) Observations so far Thought about the VFR - but wanted a little more displacement. Thought about the Super Hawk - but will two really do - will big fours blow by me on the open road? Thought about the 1100XX - but my favorite dealer is out of them (I don't want to wait.. should I wait?) Thought about R1 - but my 39 year old body is very abused and the ERGO(s) hurt Thought about the 929 - not sure about the ERGO(s) My dealer has in stock a Super Hawk and a 929 - talk to me folks.. I need help here... //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:37:01 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 16:42:42 GMT On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:40:15 -0400, you wrote: |>Somebody wrote: |> |>> > I'm not saying that the cops should have done nothing, they absolutely should, |>> > but not run the guy down like the 'wild west'... |> |>Personally, if you are running from the cops, and they can catch up to you, |>I'm all for them running you down like a animal. As in road-pizza. |>As in they'll need a spatula to dig you back up off the asphalt. Runners |>are playing a very dangerous game on public roads, and should be dealt |>with as a severe threat to society. |> |>Harsh? Yes. Necessary? Maybe. Do you really want the stressed out, ex-high school jock, bulley with inflated ego, pumped up on adrenalin jerk wth state immunity/backing to be the one playing judge and executioner? Today he beats down the squid darwin candidate, tomorrow you accidently do 35 in a park road that's marked 15, and he cracks open your forehead cuz you said "come on man, it's nto that big a deal". hell let's just fire the legislative & judicial branches, and enjoy a police state. That will be fun won't it? Daniel I call dibs on being the dictator. call me royal hiney-ness king daniel, i want to make the laws. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:40:57 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: HGerm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 16:46:39 GMT |>Oh c'mon, you have *no* desire for the scum who stole your scoot to be |>caught and sent to jail? None at all? |> |>They used to hang horse theives. That's a law I wish we still had on the |>books. I didn't know you loved horses so much.. I dare not ask in what ways Daniel :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:46:54 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 09:45:58 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > The police have no right to endanger > anyone's life (even if guilty) merely in the name of doing their job. Bullshit. Police put their lives on the line every day to "Serve and Protect" our lame asses, and what do we do? Put the handcuffs on the cops, limiting what they can and can't do. I applaud the actions of the police in this matter. They deserve laurels, not lawsuits, Daniel. Bravo! Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:50:41 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:50:30 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: HGerm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX If you like the VFR but would like more displacement, might I suggest the Triumph Sprint ST? It's got the same 955cc engine from the Triumph Daytona, only retuned for midrange. The seating is upright and comfortable, yet tucked enough for aggressive riding. It can also be out-fitted for sport-touring with color-matched saddlebags, taller windshield, and heated grips. I took a test ride on one at Winchester Motorsports open house back in April and almost considered trading my Guzzi in for it (I love my Guzzi!). Just a suggestion. Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:51:15 2000 Date: 1 Aug 2000 06:50:59 -0700 To: HGerm@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks On Tue, 01 August 2000, HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: I swear I did not convince him to explore the world of sport bikes...lol. :-) Laura > After chatting with Laura last evening I have reconfirmed I want another > bike. Life is short, and there are a lot of folks with two bikes, right? > Help me rationalize this - PLEASE. > Requirements > 1. I want a "Rev-happy" engine > 2. I don't want children on 600(s) passing me :) (that's a joke, by the > way...) > 3. I don't want to have to visit a chiropractor (sp?) before and after each > ride (my body is old) > 4. I want a bike that is '"happy" at speed (see number one). > 5. I don't want to have to trade the bike in after a year cause someone got > something better (I know that's a tall order). > Talk to me, people :) > > Observations so far > Thought about the VFR - but wanted a little more displacement. > Thought about the Super Hawk - but will two really do - will big fours blow > by me on the open road? > Thought about the 1100XX - but my favorite dealer is out of them (I don't > want to wait.. should I wait?) > Thought about R1 - but my 39 year old body is very abused and the ERGO(s) hurt > Thought about the 929 - not sure about the ERGO(s) > > My dealer has in stock a Super Hawk and a 929 - talk to me folks.. I need > help here... //Sixy// ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:52:11 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 16:57:50 GMT On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:34:27 -0400, you wrote: |>I remember one episode of COPS where some guy and his lady passenger |>were running from (sort of) the police on a cruiser. The bike could |>only do 80 or 85 mph, they had 4 or 5 cruisers following at a distance, |>just waiting. Neither rider nor passenger wearing helmets, the lady |>passenger turned around occasionally to flip off the police! |> |>The guy either gave up or ran out of gas, I can't remember. He |>never tried anything evasive, just running down the open highway for |>several miles. Most intensely stupid thing I had seen in a while. That is so intensely stupid it's hilarious. lol. Kind of like the stupid crook who looks into the surveillance camera and shrugs it off and then continues on with his crime. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:52:45 2000 Date: 1 Aug 2000 06:52:31 -0700 To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, ldrbryan@XXXXXX, vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket On Tue, 01 August 2000, "Christopher Weaver" wrote: > > This is why I hate cops and chics in bathing suits on bikes...sorry, Chris...just had to tease you! :-) Laura '98 VTR1000 > "Proudly Hating Cops Since 1969" > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > > "Can't that be enough of a > lesson without the cops piling on with a reckless ticket? Perhaps they > think > he'll now feel more served and protected ..." ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:57:38 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'vtrman@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:48:03 -0400 Well, I think that I may be the expert on this one, as the exact same thing happened to me on Rt 211 last year. I lost it in a turn and got a ticket 20 minutes later from the trooper. The answer is, yes, it will hold up in court even though the cop didn't see it. The police do not have to see every violation they write, otherwise they couldn't ever write post-accident tickets. I need to know what county this happened in to make a good judgement. But I did NOT use a lawyer, but just some common sense. I arrived in a suit and tried to negotiate with the prosecutor. He offered improper driving (3 pts) instead, but believing my legal innocence (the road was wet) I decided to go to court. The judge listened as I both explained the accident and that I am a safe rider (explained all the safety gear, training, etc, so he would have a better impression of me). He was sympathetic and offered to erarse all records of the ticket if I had a clean driving record for 6 months. End of story. Have your friend call me if you want, 703-610-1088. Mark Kitchell > -----Original Message----- > From: Big Matty [SMTP:vtrman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 9:25 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: An accident, a ticket > > This past saturday I rode with a friend out to Thornton's gap (skyline) > and we had a blast. We tore it up on the rode between The Plains and > Middleburg, along Route 647, and Rte. 55 along the way. A blast was had > on the mountain as well as we both made a point to get rid of any clean > areas along the sides of our tires on those nice curvies. > > As we were leaving skyline we stopped at the mobile, gassed up, and said > our "see-ya's", since we were going to split off before we stopped again. > Again we rode up 647, and as he had been faster than me all day he got out > ahead of me and I lost sight. Basically I just continued on and didn't > see him again, figuring he just wanted to ball out the rest of the way > home and not wait for me at intersections, which was no problem for me. > > I come to find out today that he ended up in a ditch and i passed right by > never seeing him, and went about my merry way. Yes, this tortures me, but > at the same time at that right-hander curve I was looking right, and not > into the field on the opposite side of the road. > > Fortunately some people shortly thereafter found him trying to scramble > out of the ditch and get his bike started, realized how hurt he was, and > called the authorities. He basically woke up that night while in the MRI > machine, and didn't remember anything after meeting me at 11 that morning. > > The good news is that he's going to be OK, thanks to his helmet, leathers, > gloves, and sidi boots. The bad news (aside from the injuries he > suffered) is that he got a ticket for reckless driving. Apparently a cop > arrived, got the bike towed, and wrote him a ticket which he signed > although he remembers nothing of what happened. > > Since this list seems to have some people fairly knowledgeable about > reckless driving tickets, I'd like to pose a question: Will this ticket > hold up in court do you think? Obviously the cop did not witness a thing, > neither did the people. There are no skid marks or anything else that > could possibly indicate speed. He told the cop (apparently) that he was > going along, looked back over his shoulder (for me) as he was getting near > the end of that straightway, and then the curve was there before he > realized it. > > Anyway, I told him to get a lawyer when he could, which seems to be the > consensus of people in this situation. > > BTW, I can just see all the law-abiding, speed-limit-doing, > overweight/overslow bike riding, members of the list just itching to > shoot off discussion & commentary about how us crazy sportbike riders > deserve to die for the crime of endangering ourselves. Well, here's to > hoping for CONSTRUCTIVE responses (i.e. those that will actually help the > situation as it currently stands.) > > Thanks. > Matt > > Matt Pflieger > vtrman@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:02:50 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:02:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Rittershausen To: DC Cycles Subject: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) X-WM-FaxTo: Christopher Weaver wrote: "This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman." Ouch. Having recently moved to the area, I'm not familiar with the local dealerships. I'm guessing from this that Colman Powersports isn't held in high regard. Anyone else have any recommendations/warnings? Thanks. Todd Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `80 CX-500C ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:03:01 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Christopher Weaver'" , christopher.meier@XXXXXX, bryan main Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:53:30 -0400 Coe on Chris..........cops write tickets, thats their job. If you want to blame someone, blame the people who write the traffic laws, that being the politicians who are representing us. Cops are told to write tickets. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Weaver [SMTP:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 12:32 PM > To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX; bryan main > Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket > > It's likely that the cop felt that it was a convenient time to get another > reckless conviction onto his record for his next salary or quota review. > This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors > of > society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a > Coleman > Powersports salesman. They get rewarded for this sort of behavior, so who > can really be suprised? We gasp in disbelief at stories of corrupt police > forces in third world countries, but at least their corruption isn't > hidden > by hypocritical morality lectures and fake sincerity. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR1000 > "Proudly Hating Cops Since 1969" > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > > "Can't that be enough of a > lesson without the cops piling on with a reckless ticket? Perhaps they > think > he'll now feel more served and protected ..." From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:05:30 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:04:13 -0700 If you want "rev-happy" then you need a four-cylinder. Period. The twins don't rev as quickly or to as high a redline as fours. Is this what you mean by "rev-happy?" I own a Superhawk, and I can say that it's more fun than a barrel of monkeys. It's a twin though, so it makes its monstrous torque (~70 lb-ft) at the expense of fast revs. It wheelies with no more than twitch of the wrist - one magazine called it the easiest bike on which to learn how to do this, FWIW. It has *plenty* of power and speed to keep up with almost anyone on the road unless you're scraping pegs, exhaust canisters and mirrors on the asphalt. That said, it's a bit of a guzzler - 120 miles to low fuel warning light. As little as 100 if you're really caning it. It's pretty comfortable - I went down to Daytona and back last year and I'm going up to Maine and back in a few weeks with no alterations to the ergonomics. I love my bike, but given your interests, I would suggest the CBR1100xx or a CBR929rr out of your list. If you want to lean more toward backroad peg-scraping, pick the 929. If you want long distance comfort more, then get the xx. What about the ZX9R? That sounds like a good compromise solution unless you're a Honda-only man. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: HGerm@XXXXXX [mailto:HGerm@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:35 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks After chatting with Laura last evening I have reconfirmed I want another bike. Life is short, and there are a lot of folks with two bikes, right? Help me rationalize this - PLEASE. Requirements 1. I want a "Rev-happy" engine 2. I don't want children on 600(s) passing me :) (that's a joke, by the way...) 3. I don't want to have to visit a chiropractor (sp?) before and after each ride (my body is old) 4. I want a bike that is '"happy" at speed (see number one). 5. I don't want to have to trade the bike in after a year cause someone got something better (I know that's a tall order). Talk to me, people :) Observations so far Thought about the VFR - but wanted a little more displacement. Thought about the Super Hawk - but will two really do - will big fours blow by me on the open road? Thought about the 1100XX - but my favorite dealer is out of them (I don't want to wait.. should I wait?) Thought about R1 - but my 39 year old body is very abused and the ERGO(s) hurt Thought about the 929 - not sure about the ERGO(s) My dealer has in stock a Super Hawk and a 929 - talk to me folks.. I need help here... //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:09:52 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 07:09:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION!! To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX profit list can be for the "hunk" photo shoot as well just reverse the men\women. 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Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:12:41 2000 From: Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:06:50 -0400 Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket To: Christopher Weaver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Whew. That's a bit more extreme than I'm willing to go. I believe that the police (as an institution) get a bad wrap in a lot of ways. Some of them are busting their butts in some hellish situations for next to nothing in pay. However, separate out the traffic cops (glorified meter maids) and I am closer to agreeing with your sentiment. Being a police officer in my mind is still a "noble" profession, but as an organization, they seriously need to review their culture and procedural checks and balances. --chris Christopher Weaver on 08/01/2000 12:32:12 PM To: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US@Americas-US bryan main cc: vtrman@XXXXXX dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket It's likely that the cop felt that it was a convenient time to get another reckless conviction onto his record for his next salary or quota review. This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman. They get rewarded for this sort of behavior, so who can really be suprised? We gasp in disbelief at stories of corrupt police forces in third world countries, but at least their corruption isn't hidden by hypocritical morality lectures and fake sincerity. Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000 "Proudly Hating Cops Since 1969" -----Original Message----- From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX "Can't that be enough of a lesson without the cops piling on with a reckless ticket? Perhaps they think he'll now feel more served and protected ..." ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:12:50 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:12:22 EDT Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies To: Horkster@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Horkster: tell us how you really feel :) ... touched a nerve, eh? I think the word that applies is "Balance". Let's not let the discussion lose the fact that there are good cops out there - I've just never met any :) (that's a joke...) I would like to meet a cop one day who stops me for speeding while riding who says, "look dude, I know you're having a good time but slow it down. On behalf of forming better relations between bikers and cops, I am not going to give you a ticket. Just be cool dude..." Am I dreaming :) //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:23:33 2000 From: Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:16:12 -0400 Subject: Re: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) To: Todd Rittershausen Cc: DC Cycles X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Unfortunately, this is not something completely different (I know you're new Todd). We have discussed Coleman Powersports ad nausea on this list. Almost as much as Guns, and reckless tickets. :-) --chris To: DC Cycles cc: Subject: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) Christopher Weaver wrote: "This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman." Ouch. Having recently moved to the area, I'm not familiar with the local dealerships. I'm guessing from this that Colman Powersports isn't held in high regard. Anyone else have any recommendations/warnings? Thanks. Todd ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:23:55 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:23:22 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 10:07:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chris.weaver@XXXXXX writes: If I am going to buy this second bike.. it has to be everything I want it to be! If you want "rev-happy" then you need a four-cylinder. Period. The twins > don't rev as quickly or to as high a redline as fours. Is this what you mean > by "rev-happy?" Let me expand a bit on what I mean when I say "Rev-Happy". I want a bike that wants to go fast... in other words, the faster I push it, the faster is wants to go. Kinda like downshifting a gear at 80 and having the front end rise, shake its head and say.. "whatcha wanna do, big boy" :) Wheeeee.. is the picture clearer ? //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:23:59 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:24:37 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: HGerm@XXXXXX, "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > After chatting with Laura last evening I have reconfirmed I want another > bike. Life is short, and there are a lot of folks with two bikes, right? > Help me rationalize this - PLEASE. > Requirements > 1. I want a "Rev-happy" engine > 2. I don't want children on 600(s) passing me :) (that's a joke, by the > way...) > 3. I don't want to have to visit a chiropractor (sp?) before and after each > ride (my body is old) > 4. I want a bike that is '"happy" at speed (see number one). > 5. I don't want to have to trade the bike in after a year cause someone got > something better (I know that's a tall order). > Talk to me, people :) > http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/sportstreet/fr_gsx1300.htm http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/sportstreet/fs_tl1000s.htm Sixy, You might think about jumping brands, and check these out. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:24:39 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'HGerm@XXXXXX'" , Horkster@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:14:53 -0400 That has happened to me twice. He didn't say the bit about better relations...... You gotta be nice and check the attitude at the last gas station. > -----Original Message----- > From: HGerm@XXXXXX [SMTP:HGerm@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 10:12 AM > To: Horkster@XXXXXX; daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies > > Horkster: tell us how you really feel :) ... touched a nerve, eh? I > think > the word that applies is "Balance". Let's not let the discussion lose the > > fact that there are good cops out there - I've just never met any :) > (that's > a joke...) > > I would like to meet a cop one day who stops me for speeding while riding > who > says, "look dude, I know you're having a good time but slow it down. On > behalf of forming better relations between bikers and cops, I am not going > to > give you a ticket. Just be cool dude..." Am I dreaming :) > > //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:26:35 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Todd Rittershausen" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:24:49 -0700 They're called "PowerRide Motorsports" now, but it's the same bunch of crooked a-holes that were in the place before they changed their name. The ownership has changed, but from some recent reports from friends, things haven't changed much behind the scenes. You won't have to look far to find reports of underhanded ripoffs at Coleman/PowerRide. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. Yes, I'm in kind of a pissy mood today. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Rittershausen [mailto:etrigan@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:02 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) Christopher Weaver wrote: "This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman." Ouch. Having recently moved to the area, I'm not familiar with the local dealerships. I'm guessing from this that Colman Powersports isn't held in high regard. Anyone else have any recommendations/warnings? Thanks. Todd Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `80 CX-500C ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:39:21 2000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:35:31 -0400 This thread reminds me of what a MPD (Metropolitan Police Dept.) cop neighbor of mine said. He stays with the MPD because he wants to do real police work (i.e. locking up real criminals). He could make more money and have easier duty in the 'burbs or with the state police, but he doesn't want to a traffic nanny and spend all his time in a cruiser. He's really grouchy when he has to work traffic, like last New Year's or on the 4th of July. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Christopher Weaver Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 10:06 AM Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket > > > Whew. That's a bit more extreme than I'm willing to go. > > I believe that the police (as an institution) get a bad wrap in a lot of ways. > Some of them are busting their butts in some hellish situations for next to > nothing in pay. However, separate out the traffic cops (glorified meter maids) > and I am closer to agreeing with your sentiment. > > Being a police officer in my mind is still a "noble" profession, but as an > organization, they seriously need to review their culture and procedural checks > and balances. > > --chris From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:42:23 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:42:04 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) To: Cc: You are correct sir. Coleman is not held in high regard on this list. They pretty much sell to anyone, regardless of experience or even a license for that matter. I prefer Springfield Cycle Sport for my riding needs. Yes it's a smaller shop but, the guys that work there all know me by name and are really good. I do occasionally go to Coleman to window shop at riding gear because they have a much larger selection to try on. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:05:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Todd Rittershausen writes: << Christopher Weaver wrote: "This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman." Ouch. Having recently moved to the area, I'm not familiar with the local dealerships. I'm guessing from this that Colman Powersports isn't held in high regard. Anyone else have any recommendations/warnings? Thanks. Todd Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `80 CX-500C ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:45:47 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:47:30 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" To: Christopher Weaver CC: Todd Rittershausen , DC Cycles Subject: Re: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, aticket) X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/01/2000 10:45:28 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/01/2000 10:45:29 AM, Serialize complete at 08/01/2000 10:45:29 AM Awww, cheer up, Chris! Sure, the weather sucks, and sure, it's only Tuesday..... but we have a fun-filled weekend just a few days away! :-) Are you going to Dewey? I am heading out Thursday after work.... The Samples are playing at the Bottle & Cork.... if you and the roomies head out this weekend, let's link up again. Maybe we can pull some 0-60 races along Rt. 1. ;-) --Kristina Christopher Weaver wrote: > They're called "PowerRide Motorsports" now, but it's the same bunch of > crooked a-holes that were in the place before they changed their name. The > ownership has changed, but from some recent reports from friends, things > haven't changed much behind the scenes. You won't have to look far to find > reports of underhanded ripoffs at Coleman/PowerRide. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > p.s. Yes, I'm in kind of a pissy mood today. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Rittershausen [mailto:etrigan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:02 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: And now for something completely different (was RE: An > accident, a ticket) > > Christopher Weaver wrote: > "This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of > society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman > Powersports salesman." > > Ouch. Having recently moved to the area, I'm not familiar with the local > dealerships. I'm guessing from this that Colman Powersports isn't held in > high regard. Anyone else have any recommendations/warnings? Thanks. > > Todd > > Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy > `80 CX-500C > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:49:05 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:48:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List cc: Darrell Roy Subject: FS: '00 SV650 2000 SV650 blue, 600 miles, $4,500 Call Rock at 301-473-8026 Bike is in Frederick, MD This is not my bike so you'll need to call, not e-mail me. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:51:14 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:50:54 EDT Subject: Re: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, etrigan@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX And I thought I was the only one who felt that way about Coleman. I bought a very expensive bike from Coleman (15K) and when I went to have it serviced the mechanic asked if I'd bought the "Gold" card service contract with my bike. It did not occur to me at the time, but what he was getting at is, had I bought this thousand dollar coverage he would take my bike for service during peak riding season - if not.. I was to wait in the back of the line with the scum. I'll know where to spend my next 15K and it won't be at Coleman's. Hell.. I might even change brands :) //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:54:26 2000 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:53:23 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accide nt, a ticket) To: "'Christopher Weaver'" , Todd Rittershausen , DC Cycles Just for the record they tried to sell me a used 2000 VFR as new. (last month) Luckily another dealer I was working with at the time knew about the bike's history (it had been sold, ridden home, and brought back with 80 miles on it.) because Coleman had told them when they had tried to swap for it. I called Brian the "salesman" back and asked him if the bike had already been sold once. He came clean and said that it had, forgetting that he had lied on a previous occasion and said "it had almost been sold". He never mentioned the mileage. I told him that I couldn't purchase the bike at that point and he had the audacity to ask me why! Why? I'm paying over $10,000 for a piece of equipment that is very sensitive to a proper break in period and the 80 of the most critical 100 miles were put on by a guy who had to bring it back because his wife was pregnant and wouldn't let him keep it. Any bets on whether he keep it under 4000rpm for all 80 miles? -Calvin '00VFR800FI (purchased from Honda House in Richmond) -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Weaver [mailto:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 1:25 PM To: Todd Rittershausen; DC Cycles Subject: RE: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) They're called "PowerRide Motorsports" now, but it's the same bunch of crooked a-holes that were in the place before they changed their name. The ownership has changed, but from some recent reports from friends, things haven't changed much behind the scenes. You won't have to look far to find reports of underhanded ripoffs at Coleman/PowerRide. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. Yes, I'm in kind of a pissy mood today. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Rittershausen [mailto:etrigan@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:02 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) Christopher Weaver wrote: "This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman." Ouch. Having recently moved to the area, I'm not familiar with the local dealerships. I'm guessing from this that Colman Powersports isn't held in high regard. Anyone else have any recommendations/warnings? Thanks. Todd Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `80 CX-500C ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:03:55 2000 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Moving right Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:03:33 -0400 Glenn Dysart said, "Dave, you left out the best part of the story which was Dr. Gridlocks response: >Dr. Gridlock's recommendation: Just move over, even if the law does not require it. You don't want these crazed drivers tailgating you or operating anywhere near you. OK everyone so if you want to go faster then 60 MPH you are "crazed". No, not "crazed", it's: "Every one driving faster than me is a maniac, everyone driving slower is just stupid." I'm writing my MD representatives for comment. The law as described by Gridlock sounds stupid. (he doesn't always get it right) In olden days, when I learned to drive, (pre Interstate, mostly two lane) the drill was: when you want to pass, flash your hi beams. the one ahead would flash an O.K. You pass. when clear, the passed operator would flash an O.K. to come back in the lane and you'd flash a "thank you" Many (but fewer) truckers still understand and use that system. I've found it's commonly used in Europe (except France where rudeness is de rigour). And it makes more sense that what I've seen practiced locally (Tailgate until the LLB moves over or pass them on the right) Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:07:09 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:06:17 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: HGerm@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > > I would like to meet a cop one day who stops me for speeding while riding who > says, "look dude, I know you're having a good time but slow it down. On > behalf of forming better relations between bikers and cops, I am not going to > give you a ticket. Just be cool dude..." Am I dreaming :) No, you are not dreaming. I've had it happen twice while on a bike. Not those exact words, mind you, but the same net effect. :) Yes, there are some bad cops out there. Yes, they might even be the (slight) majority. Balance is a good word. Cops have a harsh, difficult job to do, but must be given the authority and discretion to do it correctly. And they must be closely watched to ensure no abuse of that authority. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:18:28 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:11:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: DC Cycles Subject: Helmet opponent dies... http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/08/01/nohelmet.death.ap/index.html Shannon From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:19:34 2000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: New England Trip Advice? (was Important Question) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:15:30 -0400 Highest point is actually Klingman's (or is it Clingman's?) Dome in the great state of Tennessee. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Dysart > Actually the highest point on the east coast is > probably Mt. Mitchell in North Carolina reaching 6,684 > feet above sea level (which has seen snow in August > before). Mount Washington is 6,288 feet above sea > level. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:23:58 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:23:04 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: stevied@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 10:24:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stevied@XXXXXX writes: > http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/sportstreet/fs_tl1000s.htm Steven: thanks for the info... can anyone recommend a Suzuki dealer in the area? Thanks... From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:32:57 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:32:14 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: HGerm@XXXXXX, stevied@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 11:25:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HGerm@XXXXXX writes: > Steven: thanks for the info... can anyone recommend a Suzuki dealer in the > area? Thanks... Whitt's Suzuki seems to be a pretty nice place. Randy Moran even got a sponsorship out of them this year for racing. I think it's where Laura got her bike as well. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:34:04 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:34:55 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: HGerm@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/1/00 10:24:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > stevied@XXXXXX writes: > > > http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/sportstreet/fs_tl1000s.htm > Steven: thanks for the info... can anyone recommend a Suzuki dealer in the > area? Thanks... Go to: http://www.suzukicycles.com/ Click on Dealers, and plug in your zip code for results. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:34:22 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:34:07 EDT Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well... THAT about falls under the definition of "Irony". I especially like "Alcohol was also involved". No helmet and drunk. Sounds like a great way to ride a bike. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:34:53 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:34:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accide nt, a ticket) To: "Ledford, Calvin" , DC Cycles Boy that really sux. Not surprising for the place though. Although for the new VFR beak-in says nothing about RPM limit so you may have been OK. Its only says no hard acceleration or something of that effect for the first 300 miles. Glenn --- "Ledford, Calvin" wrote: > Just for the record they tried to sell me a used > 2000 VFR as new. (last > month) Luckily another dealer I was working with at > the time knew about the > bike's history (it had been sold, ridden home, and > brought back with 80 > miles on it.) because Coleman had told them when > they had tried to swap for > it. I called Brian the "salesman" back and asked > him if the bike had > already been sold once. He came clean and said that > it had, forgetting that > he had lied on a previous occasion and said "it had > almost been sold". He > never mentioned the mileage. I told him that I > couldn't purchase the bike > at that point and he had the audacity to ask me why! > Why? I'm paying over > $10,000 for a piece of equipment that is very > sensitive to a proper break in > period and the 80 of the most critical 100 miles > were put on by a guy who > had to bring it back because his wife was pregnant > and wouldn't let him keep > it. Any bets on whether he keep it under 4000rpm > for all 80 miles? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:36:26 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:35:41 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: stevied@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Found a dealer with the Blue and Teal Hayabusa.. love the look... what's a good price. The MSRP is 10,799... talk to me, people!!!!//Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:47:04 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:46:10 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > No helmet and drunk. Sounds like a great way to ride a bike. > It's a wonderful way to ride, lots of fun. Until you crash. Why do otherwise normal people do this to themselves? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:53:59 2000 Date: 1 Aug 2000 08:53:50 -0700 To: stevied@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: HGerm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks On Tue, 01 August 2000, "Steven C. Di Pietro" wrote: > Whitt's suzuki in manassas! awesome, awesome dealer...GREAT prices...ask for jeff or chris Laura > > > HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/1/00 10:24:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > stevied@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/sportstreet/fs_tl1000s.htm > > Steven: thanks for the info... can anyone recommend a Suzuki dealer in the > > area? Thanks... > > Go to: http://www.suzukicycles.com/ Click on Dealers, and plug in your > zip code for results. > > Steven C. Di Pietro > Assistant National Director > Suzuki Owners Club USA > http://www.soc-usa.org ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 12:01:26 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:00:40 -0400 From: Randy Moran To: HGerm@XXXXXX CC: stevied@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks I highly recommend Whitt's Suzuki in Manassas, Va. Chris Taylor (the GM) and Fred Thompson are friendly, top notch guys who will really go the extra mile to help you out. I'm sponsored by Whitt's, so of course I'm biased, but it really is the coolest bunch of guys I've run into at a bike shop. Tell them Randy Moran sent you and you'll be doing me a huge favor. They do have a beautiful red TL1000S in the showroom. Good Luck! Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/1/00 10:24:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > stevied@XXXXXX writes: > > > http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/sportstreet/fs_tl1000s.htm > Steven: thanks for the info... can anyone recommend a Suzuki dealer in the > area? Thanks... From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 12:01:51 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:01:34 EDT Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... To: Horkster@XXXXXX, BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 11:49:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: > Why do otherwise normal people do this to themselves? Ah, the eternal question.. Why? I have a simple rule - if I am out riding and you see me drinking... find my keys and flush them down the nearest toilet ... call a cab and tell me the kiss your... ah.. well you get the picture.... One drink is too many, and a thousand is never enough :) Take it from someone who knows :) Sixy From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 12:05:25 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:03:49 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX CC: stevied@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Randy: what's a good price for the TL1000S.. how are the ERGOs and does it keep up with the likes of a GSX1300? I gotta know.... please //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 12:23:15 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:22:17 -0400 From: Randy Moran To: HGerm@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks I haven't priced a TL myself, so I'm not the guy to ask. My personal rule of thumb when buying a new bike is to get the dealer to lose all of the freight and prep kind of stuff and work down from MSRP. It all depends on the model and how well it's selling generally. Time of the season has something to do with it as well--it is getting pretty late in the summer... TL ergonomics are on the "sport" side of Sport/Touring, a little hunched but nowhere near a GSXR/CBR/FZR. As for keeping up with a Hayabusa, well that's up to you until you get to about 170 mph. Then the 'busa will leave you on it's way to 190. But you both will have left me long ago, 'cause there's no freaking way you're gonna see me going anywhere near that fast on the street. I would guess that initial acceleration would be a little stouter on the TL, being that it's a V-twin, but that is speculation on my part. Good luck. Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > Randy: what's a good price for the TL1000S.. how are the ERGOs and does it > keep up with the likes of a GSX1300? I gotta know.... please //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 12:35:22 2000 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:34:34 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: HGerm@XXXXXX, stevied@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX HGerm@XXXXXX writes: << can anyone recommend a Suzuki dealer in the area? Thanks... >> Valley Cycle in Winchester...ask for Jim or James and tell them I sent you... Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 12:56:45 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:56:23 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thanks Randy. Much like you, I am not so interested in top in... it's the getting there that counts :) Nothing like the feeling of being smoked - been there done that - don't want to go back>> Just call my C.U. ... 6.9 percent ... not bad :) Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 13:52:56 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:52:36 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: HGerm@XXXXXX, Randy.Moran@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 1:00:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, HGerm@XXXXXX writes: > Thanks Randy. Much like you, I am not so interested in top in... it's the > getting there that counts :) Then you want a big twin. Twins sacrifice top-end for acceleration by producing gobs-o-torque at fairly low RPM. My Ducati 900SS (Don't even think 'touring' in the same sentence) is a 420lbs bike with 62lbs of torque... it will wheelie pretty easily in the first three gears and find triple digits before you can think 'gee, this thing is pretty fast'. Four cylinder bikes produce peak horsepower at higher RPMs, requiring you to "spin up" the motor before it really hits hard. However... technobabble aside, any big-bore twin or 4 cylinder sport/sport-touring motorcycle has enough eye-popping acceleration to land you in jail in under 4 seconds flat :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:05:28 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'BryanRoach@XXXXXX'" , HGerm@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:03:23 -0700 Good point about the "quick hit" you get with a big-twin. Keep in mind that to ride one smoothly in the twisties tends to require more throttle control than would a 4-cylinder of similar size. In other words, some of the big-twins can be a real handful when you get on the throttle as you're exiting a turn. Which isn't to say that you couldn't break the rear-end of 929rr, or ZX-9, or whatever, loose if you got on it too hard, but it probably wouldn't be as abrupt. Perry -----Original Message----- From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 1:53 PM To: HGerm@XXXXXX; Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks In a message dated 8/1/00 1:00:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, HGerm@XXXXXX writes: > Thanks Randy. Much like you, I am not so interested in top in... it's the > getting there that counts :) Then you want a big twin. Twins sacrifice top-end for acceleration by producing gobs-o-torque at fairly low RPM. My Ducati 900SS (Don't even think 'touring' in the same sentence) is a 420lbs bike with 62lbs of torque... it will wheelie pretty easily in the first three gears and find triple digits before you can think 'gee, this thing is pretty fast'. Four cylinder bikes produce peak horsepower at higher RPMs, requiring you to "spin up" the motor before it really hits hard. However... technobabble aside, any big-bore twin or 4 cylinder sport/sport-touring motorcycle has enough eye-popping acceleration to land you in jail in under 4 seconds flat :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:09:08 2000 From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New England Trip Advice? (was Important Question) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:08:57 GMT I can confirm that Mt Mitchel in North Carolina is the highest point east of the Missisippi River. I was there two weeks ago. I had a great ride up the Blue Ridge Parkway all the way from the Smokies. >Highest point is actually Klingman's (or is it Clingman's?) Dome in the >great state of Tennessee. > >Paul A. Wilson >Washington DC >1991 CB750 >http://users.erols.com/pawilson >----- Original Message ----- >From: Glenn Dysart > > > > Actually the highest point on the east coast is > > probably Mt. Mitchell in North Carolina reaching 6,684 > > feet above sea level (which has seen snow in August > > before). Mount Washington is 6,288 feet above sea > > level. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:19:32 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:18:28 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX, HGerm@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 2:06:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX writes: > Good point about the "quick hit" you get with a big-twin. Keep in mind that > to ride one smoothly in the twisties tends to require more throttle control > than would a 4-cylinder of similar size. In other words, some of the > big-twins can be a real handful when you get on the throttle as you're > exiting a turn. Which isn't to say that you couldn't break the rear-end of > 929rr, or ZX-9, or whatever, loose if you got on it too hard, but it > probably wouldn't be as abrupt. Actually... the reason the factories are changing to twins for World and AMA Superbike is that a twin puts power to the ground in a more linear fasion, which makes for less wheel spin. When a four cylinder spins up, it does so in a much more abrupt (violent) fasion, causing the wheel to break traction. On the dyno, a twin's torque curve almost isn't... it's generally a slightly upward sloping line. A 4-cylinder has a curve that rises steeply to a peak then falls away, usually in a fairly narrow RPM range. It is by far MUCH easier to spin the rear on a 929 or ZX9 than on an RC51, Duc, etc. It's also why I lost the Formula-2 race this weekend to a SV650 twin coming out of the last turn - wheelspin is a real bitch :) Race report soon to follow. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:33:13 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'BryanRoach@XXXXXX'" , HGerm@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:31:12 -0700 Bryan, I see your point. I guess what I was getting at was that with a 4-cylinder you have the "curve" to work with. You're not already at max torque, like with a twin. I agree that some 4-cylinders are much more "peaky" than the typical twin and that can be good or bad depending on what you're trying to do with it. On the race track you need to have the power "right now" but on the street you may not want to always be at the torque peak. Interestingly, when I test drove the Ducati ST2 I was VERY disappointed in it's torque curve. It didn't feel like it was making any power below 6K. My Kawasaki Concours, on the other hand, makes good power down at about 2K and is pulling like crazy at 6K (and is pretty near a hooligan by 8K.) When I was riding the Duc, I felt like I was always trying to find the right gear, unless I was going about 100mph. The Kaw pulls from just about anywhere. Of course, I just picked up a ZX-6 and it's power is way up high. It's not as peaky as some, but it likes to be up about 12K, or so... ;^) Perry -----Original Message----- From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 2:18 PM To: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX; HGerm@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks In a message dated 8/1/00 2:06:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX writes: > Good point about the "quick hit" you get with a big-twin. Keep in mind that > to ride one smoothly in the twisties tends to require more throttle control > than would a 4-cylinder of similar size. In other words, some of the > big-twins can be a real handful when you get on the throttle as you're > exiting a turn. Which isn't to say that you couldn't break the rear-end of > 929rr, or ZX-9, or whatever, loose if you got on it too hard, but it > probably wouldn't be as abrupt. Actually... the reason the factories are changing to twins for World and AMA Superbike is that a twin puts power to the ground in a more linear fasion, which makes for less wheel spin. When a four cylinder spins up, it does so in a much more abrupt (violent) fasion, causing the wheel to break traction. On the dyno, a twin's torque curve almost isn't... it's generally a slightly upward sloping line. A 4-cylinder has a curve that rises steeply to a peak then falls away, usually in a fairly narrow RPM range. It is by far MUCH easier to spin the rear on a 929 or ZX9 than on an RC51, Duc, etc. It's also why I lost the Formula-2 race this weekend to a SV650 twin coming out of the last turn - wheelspin is a real bitch :) Race report soon to follow. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:42:19 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:42:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Coleman, Perry wrote: > I see your point. I guess what I was getting at was that with a > 4-cylinder you have the "curve" to work with. You're not already at > max torque, like with a twin. Actually, the VTR (supposedly one of the torqier sporty twins) builds torque steadily throughout the rev range and has a torque curve that looks similar to its hp curve. Keep the revs below 5k and it's downright docile. A lot of VTR owners go down a tooth on the cs sprocket to combat this docility... I believe the more race oriented twins are tuned to put the torque even higher up the rev range, more like a four. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:45:12 2000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: New England Trip Advice? (was Important Question) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:42:01 -0400 I stand corrected. Clingman's Dome is 6,643 ft. and Mt. Mitchell is 6,684. Clingman's is the highest point on the Appalachian Trail. That's how I got confused. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Allis > I can confirm that Mt Mitchel in North Carolina is the highest point east of > the Missisippi River. I was there two weeks ago. I had a great ride up the > Blue Ridge Parkway all the way from the Smokies. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:45:54 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:45:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Paging Danny Thompson!! Paging Danny Thompson!! --============_-1246966981==_ma============ Sorry for the waste of bandwidth folks but.... Danny Thompson! If you would please contact me as soon as possible, I have a question for you. Reach me via email or telephone. Work: (703)-886-7661 Cell: (703)-609-6147 "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va --============_-1246966981==_ma============ GenevaSorry for the waste of bandwidth folks but.... Danny Thompson! If you would please contact me as soon as possible, I have a question for you. Reach me via email or telephone. Work: (703)-886-7661 Cell: (703)-609-6147 "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va --============_-1246966981==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 15:05:02 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:03:53 -0700 Kirk, Actually, the torque "curve" is pretty flat. It depends on what you're comparing it to, I suppose. Here's a dyno graph from the sport-twin site of a VTR before & after adding aftermarket pipes: http://www.sport-twin.com/franklin/hptorque.jpg Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 11:42 AM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Coleman, Perry wrote: > I see your point. I guess what I was getting at was that with a > 4-cylinder you have the "curve" to work with. You're not already at > max torque, like with a twin. Actually, the VTR (supposedly one of the torqier sporty twins) builds torque steadily throughout the rev range and has a torque curve that looks similar to its hp curve. Keep the revs below 5k and it's downright docile. A lot of VTR owners go down a tooth on the cs sprocket to combat this docility... I believe the more race oriented twins are tuned to put the torque even higher up the rev range, more like a four. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 16:05:13 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 16:07:13 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Off-topic X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/01/2000 04:05:02 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/01/2000 04:05:03 PM, Serialize complete at 08/01/2000 04:05:03 PM Last call.... I have 2 tickets to tomorrow's day-game (3:05pm) at Camden Yards... bleacher seats... Section 94 (great afternoon seats). I paid $25 for the 2, and I can't get out of work early tomorrow (esp. since I just gave my 2-weeks today!).... I'll take first offer, I just would hate for NOONE to go to the game. Call me on my cell at (703)622-9482 or at home (703)294-4957 if you are interested in them, and I can drop them off tonight, or during work-hours tomorrow, possibly. -Kristina From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 16:27:03 2000 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: krogish@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Off-topic Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:25:56 -0400 If you just gave your 2 wks, what's *stopping* you from leaving early! Also, go ride -- now! Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Kristina M. Rogish [mailto:krogish@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:07 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Off-topic Last call.... I have 2 tickets to tomorrow's day-game (3:05pm) at Camden Yards... bleacher seats... Section 94 (great afternoon seats). I paid $25 for the 2, and I can't get out of work early tomorrow (esp. since I just gave my 2-weeks today!).... I'll take first offer, I just would hate for NOONE to go to the game. Call me on my cell at (703)622-9482 or at home (703)294-4957 if you are interested in them, and I can drop them off tonight, or during work-hours tomorrow, possibly. -Kristina From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 17:01:12 2000 From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:00:52 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... VTwin in twisties To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 2:08:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX writes: << Good point about the "quick hit" you get with a big-twin. Keep in mind that to ride one smoothly in the twisties tends to require more throttle control than would a 4-cylinder of similar size. In other words, some of the big-twins can be a real handful when you get on the throttle as you're exiting a turn. >> This is not exactly correct. The VTwin is known for giving more tractable power when leaned than a 4 cyl. due to the reduced amount of power pulses turning the rear wheel. Thus on a twin you can get better drives out of corners without worrying so much about losing traction from spinning up the rear wheel like on an R1 or the like. Twins also have alot more engine braking than do 4 cyls so you can scrub off a bit of speed if necessary. The earlier model of TLS (like mine, 97) had some problems with fuel inj. mapping that made the throttle twitchy...maybe that is what you are referring to? Either way, Suzuki has worked out its FI troubles and a 2000 TLS should be a very good choice of steed. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 17:46:07 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:45:50 EDT Subject: Paging Jay St. Peter... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Jay - Can't find your email address, drop me a line or give me a call at 703-370-0102 if you get a chance later. Thanks! - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 18:17:44 2000 From: "Big Matty" To: Subject: Thanks for responses Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:10:30 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFFBE3.C704ED00 Well, thanks to everyone that provided their insights today. I'll try to pass along a "summary" to him. Regarding my last paragraph about overweight/overslow finger-shaking bikers, some of you guys need to lighten the hell up. Try smiling once in a while. It was meant to get a point across in as jokingly a manner as possible. Regarding the bike, it didn't end up all that bad actually. Some busted up fairings and other cosmetic damage but that's it. Not bad considering his helmet has several deep gashes in the side. I don't know exactly what he told the cop, and I don't think he knows either. Glenn, please do email me that phone # if you don't mind and I'll pass it along. It sounds like he's got a pretty good chance of getting out of the ticket OK (other than the cost of the lawyer). It did happen in VA. I'm not sure right now if it was Rappahanock or Fauqier County; it was close to the border along 647. I'll find out. I agree wholeheartedly that it demonstrates the advantages of riding in groups, and holding to strict guidelines. What if those other people hadn't come along and stopped him while he was trying to restart his bike in his daze??? There was just the two of us that day and we didn't hold strictly to general group-riding guidelines; if we had, I would have known to go back for him when I hadn't seen him for a while. This is part of why its so upsetting to me. Well, thanks again for the responses. It is much appreciated. 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The guy has |>injuries, likely hospital bills and a wrecked bike. Can't that be enough of a |>lesson without the cops piling on with a reckless ticket? Perhaps they think |>he'll now feel more served and protected ... I was in a MD courtroom where a lady drove into the bushes. I believe the officer testified, and the judge asked him if he saw the accident, cop said no, the lady got off, without a lawyer. The one good thing though, even though the cop didnt' see the accident and the guy did say what HE THOUGHT happened, the guy had a fresh head injury, and his words can't be too reliable. One guy I know had an accident when he hit a car. Near by was some construction. When someone asked him what happened, he (thought and) replied "a building fell on me", but he has no recollection of anything. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 19:33:57 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:36:29 -0400 From: Larry Meyer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks It doesn't get much press, (especially on this list, where there are only 2) but I love my Bandit 1200. Not exactly a sport bike, but passes for one most of the time. It's a GSXR 1100 motor bored out to 1200 and tuned for midrange. Tons of torque, wheelies like nobody's business if you like that, just all-around fun. The kicker is the ergos - it's more upright than any of the other bikes you've mentioned, which makes all the difference to me. Lack of stress on my back was probably the biggest reason I bought it. If you need more than 100 horses, the bike is easy and cheap to mod. I view the B12 kind of like a 4-cylinder, more upright, larger gas tank Superhawk. If you can wait, the 2001 is supposed to be even better. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 Christopher Weaver wrote: > If you want "rev-happy" then you need a four-cylinder. Period. The twins > don't rev as quickly or to as high a redline as fours. Is this what you mean > by "rev-happy?" > > I own a Superhawk, and I can say that it's more fun than a barrel of > monkeys. It's a twin though, so it makes its monstrous torque (~70 lb-ft) at > the expense of fast revs. It wheelies with no more than twitch of the > wrist - one magazine called it the easiest bike on which to learn how to do > this, FWIW. It has *plenty* of power and speed to keep up with almost anyone > on the road unless you're scraping pegs, exhaust canisters and mirrors on > the asphalt. That said, it's a bit of a guzzler - 120 miles to low fuel > warning light. As little as 100 if you're really caning it. It's pretty > comfortable - I went down to Daytona and back last year and I'm going up to > Maine and back in a few weeks with no alterations to the ergonomics. > > I love my bike, but given your interests, I would suggest the CBR1100xx or a > CBR929rr out of your list. If you want to lean more toward backroad > peg-scraping, pick the 929. If you want long distance comfort more, then get > the xx. What about the ZX9R? That sounds like a good compromise solution > unless you're a Honda-only man. > > Cheers, > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > -----Original Message----- > From: HGerm@XXXXXX [mailto:HGerm@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:35 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks > > After chatting with Laura last evening I have reconfirmed I want another > bike. Life is short, and there are a lot of folks with two bikes, right? > Help me rationalize this - PLEASE. > Requirements > 1. I want a "Rev-happy" engine > 2. I don't want children on 600(s) passing me :) (that's a joke, by the > way...) > 3. I don't want to have to visit a chiropractor (sp?) before and after each > ride (my body is old) > 4. I want a bike that is '"happy" at speed (see number one). > 5. I don't want to have to trade the bike in after a year cause someone got > something better (I know that's a tall order). > Talk to me, people :) > > Observations so far > Thought about the VFR - but wanted a little more displacement. > Thought about the Super Hawk - but will two really do - will big fours blow > by me on the open road? > Thought about the 1100XX - but my favorite dealer is out of them (I don't > want to wait.. should I wait?) > Thought about R1 - but my 39 year old body is very abused and the ERGO(s) > hurt > Thought about the 929 - not sure about the ERGO(s) > > My dealer has in stock a Super Hawk and a 929 - talk to me folks.. I need > help here... //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 19:44:00 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:43:43 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just got back from the Honda/Suzuki dealer. Got a chance to play around with the GSX1300(Hayabusa), CBR929RR, and the GSX750. Of the three the GSX750 had the most sportsbike orientation - down in front - up in back position. The GSX1300 is a big bike! Much more relaxed then the GSX750, but boy is that tank ever big. Then I got on the CBR929RR.. about as comfortable as the GSX - smaller tank - and lighter. Of the three I liked the feel of the 929... although admittedly all of this was on the dealer's showroom floor... they did not have one available for a test spin. Anybody out there on a 929RR.... anybody with an opinion on the 929RR... Thanks//Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 19:58:54 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 19:58:06 -0400 From: Tim Morrow To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket Matt: > This past saturday I rode with a friend out to Thornton's gap (skyline) and > we had a blast. We tore it up on the rode between The Plains and > Middleburg, along Route 647, and Rte. 55 along the way. A blast was had on > the mountain as well as we both made a point to get rid of any clean areas > along the sides of our tires on those nice curvies... > ...we rode up 647, and as he had been faster than me all day he got out ahead > of me and I lost sight... > ...I come to find out today that he ended up in a ditch... > ... He basically woke up that night while in the MRI machine, > and didn't remember anything after meeting me at 11 that morning. > ... he got a ticket for reckless driving.... > BTW, I can just see all the law-abiding, speed-limit-doing, > overweight/overslow bike riding, members of the list just itching to shoot > off discussion & commentary about how us crazy sportbike riders deserve to > die for the crime of endangering ourselves. Well, here's to hoping for > CONSTRUCTIVE responses (i.e. those that will actually help the situation as > it currently stands.) Hi Matt. Sorry to hear about your friend's accident. I ride a '97 Triumph Speed Triple. I like using *all* of my tires. I also like getting home at the end of my ride, and I like not having to hire lawyers to fight reckless driving charges. So, when I want to *really* rail through the corners, I go to Summit Point or Roebling Road or Daytona International Speedway or Virginia International Raceway or Carolina Motorsports Park and race on the racetrack where racing SHOULD be conducted. I suggest you and your friend (after he recovers both physically and financially) do the same. That's the most constructive response I can offer. One other little thing: If either of you have not yet taken BOTH the MRC:RSS *and* the ERC through the Virginia Rider Training Program, I suggest you do so as soon as practically possible. Tim Morrow -- MSF #21769 CCS Expert #19 http://www.FlaminDucRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 20:06:47 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:05:17 -0400 From: Tim Morrow To: DC Cycles Subject: re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > ... I want another bike... > Requirements > 1. I want a "Rev-happy" engine > 2. I don't want children on 600(s) passing me :) (that's a joke, by the > way...) > 3. I don't want to have to visit a chiropractor (sp?) before and after each > ride (my body is old) > 4. I want a bike that is '"happy" at speed (see number one). > 5. I don't want to have to trade the bike in after a year cause someone got > something better (I know that's a tall order). > Talk to me, people :) Triumph 955 Speed Triple - not the fastest, but the most fun; and comfy. (Yeah, I have one, but I'm totally unbiased... mine is *only* the old 885cc version!) Tim -- http://www.FlaminDucRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 21:03:27 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: HGerm@XXXXXX Cc: Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 03:46:36 GMT |>I would like to meet a cop one day who stops me for speeding while riding who |>says, "look dude, I know you're having a good time but slow it down. On |>behalf of forming better relations between bikers and cops, I am not going to |>give you a ticket. Just be cool dude..." Am I dreaming :) No, it's probably those same cops who see you zipping by who don't bother to pull out and spoil your fun . I got a warning for 90? on route 50 which i think is a 45 mph zone? and a friend of mine got pulled over on 270 for doing 90 through a curve. He had no M class, but the cop let him go and told him to "keep it under 90" hehe. strange eh? From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 21:03:29 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 03:41:12 GMT |>Bullshit. Police put their lives on the line every day to Every day? Do you include the noble "jump out in the fast lane and yell pull over" risking their lives to issue a speeding ticket? Should we be greatful that they take an occupation and don't care too much? |>"Serve and Protect" our lame asses, and what do we do? Put we are lame? dammit! we aren't worth having a convo! hehe |>the handcuffs on the cops, limiting what they can and can't do. Some people should wear handcuffs... and some of those people wear badges. |>I applaud the actions of the police in this matter. They |>deserve laurels, not lawsuits, Daniel. Bravo! I'll be looking forward to seeing what your reponse is to the question preposed "what if that was your sister on the back". I some how can't imagine you telling the surviving family "I'm glad the cops chased them". Remember, we still do not know if the passenger was completely innocent or contributing to the lawbreaking. When the cops are PUNISHING suspects, or RISKING people's lives over only what they know to be a speeding ticket, I think they deserve to sit in the cell next to the criminals they chase. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 21:05:42 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:11:04 GMT |>Well... THAT about falls under the definition of "Irony". |> |>I especially like "Alcohol was also involved". |> |>No helmet and drunk. Sounds like a great way to ride a bike. Not to mention set a wonderful image as a representative for their cause eh? From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 21:06:25 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:11:52 GMT |>> No helmet and drunk. Sounds like a great way to ride a bike. |>It's a wonderful way to ride, lots of fun. Until you crash. |>Why do otherwise normal people do this to themselves? A helmet openent strikes you as otherwise normal? From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 22:03:21 2000 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: GSX-R Microfiche CD Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:57:44 -0400 Well, what a job it turned out to be. But it is done. The GSX-R750 CD is finished. It has all the microfiche images from 1986-2000 US bikes. Ordering instructions are at the EZBoard below. To those waiting, thanks for being patient. Gary Foreman, GSX-R Owners Board http://pub9.ezboard.com/bgsxr750ownersboard fj1100@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 22:11:07 2000 From: "Big Matty" To: Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 22:03:57 -0400 You might want to read the write-ups in Motorcyclist and Cycle World magazines. Both July 2000 issues cover the 929 and compare it to others in its class. That's another thing to think about, is what type of class you're looking for. The 'busas strength is its top end. Would you use it that much? The r1/929's of the world certainly haul ass, but are more suited to twisties than a busa/XX/ZX12r class. Personally I think taking the time to read some magazines would get you the most (objective-type) info the quickest. From there its a matter of what feels right under your ass and coming out of your wallet. -----Original Message----- From: HGerm@XXXXXX [mailto:HGerm@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:44 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Just got back from the Honda/Suzuki dealer. Got a chance to play around with the GSX1300(Hayabusa), CBR929RR, and the GSX750. Of the three the GSX750 had the most sportsbike orientation - down in front - up in back position. The GSX1300 is a big bike! Much more relaxed then the GSX750, but boy is that tank ever big. Then I got on the CBR929RR.. about as comfortable as the GSX - smaller tank - and lighter. Of the three I liked the feel of the 929... although admittedly all of this was on the dealer's showroom floor... they did not have one available for a test spin. Anybody out there on a 929RR.... anybody with an opinion on the 929RR... Thanks//Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 22:35:42 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:35:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION!! To: DC Cycles Tommy G- Lesbianism is about having your biscuit - and eating it too! -Corbett > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > What the hell is the big lesbo fad all about? It > just > > don't make sense to me that it's OK for a woman to > be > > a diver but tabboo for a man to go around > buggering > > the world. > > > > Somebody please clear air, so to speak, and clue > me > > in. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 23:11:04 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:10:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... To: Tansey , DC Cycles ZZZZzzzzZZZZZzzz zz zz Huh?..oh! Um.. (Headline) Helmet-CHOICE Advocate Lives! Uh..Hello, Corbett here. I'm still kickin' Thanks. See ya. Good news is no news. Bad news makes headlines. -Corbett Re: Helmet opponent dies... --- Tansey wrote: > http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/08/01/nohelmet.death.ap/index.html > > Shannon > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 23:18:44 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:18:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... To: DC Cycles OWWW! Hey Moe! You shouldn't hit me in the head - YOU KNOW I'M NOT NORMAL!! Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk - Curly (Three Stooges) --- Dale Horstman wrote: > BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > No helmet and drunk. Sounds like a great way to > ride a bike. > > > It's a wonderful way to ride, lots of fun. Until > you crash. > Why do otherwise normal people do this to > themselves? > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 23:30:34 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:30:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket To: "Coleman, Perry" , "'vtrman@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Coleman, Perry" wrote: > Matt, > > My thoughts below... > > Perry > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Big Matty [mailto:vtrman@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 9:25 PM > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: An accident, a ticket > > > >[snip]He basically woke up that night while in the > MRI machine, and didn't > remember anything after > >meeting >me at 11 that morning. > >[snip[He told the cop (apparently) that he was > going along, looked back > over his shoulder (for me) as > >he was getting near the end of that straightway, > and then the curve was > there before he realized it. > > Since he was suffering from a head injury at the > time, I have a feeling that > any statement he made to the cop can be thrown out. > Make sure to have an > appropriate medical evaluation showing that he had a > mild concussion, or > whatever. That should make the lawyer's job a lot > easier. i think the downed rider's statement could be admitted as an either an excited utterance or an admission not good -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 23:55:57 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:55:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Someone was paging Jay St. Peter To: DC Cycles Someone was paging Jay St. Peter..was it Roach? Found address on an old post: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX -Corbett '99 K1200RS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 00:43:46 2000 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 00:43:32 EDT Subject: Weekend ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well,...I hate to interrupt the latest interesting threads but... I've decided to help poor Chuck out and lead a ride this weekend. I might be crazy (or it's all this rain) to subject myself to this torture but we'll just have to see what happens. :) I'm leaning to riding on Saturday but if I get more requests for Sunday then I'm flexible... The meeting place will be Winchester Indian off Rt. 81 a couple of miles north of Winchester, VA. If you need directions e-mail me and I'll provide more details. The ride will start at 10:00am. There are gas stations and restaurants nearby for those in need...I'll probably eat breakfast near there if anyone is interested. I'm an old fat guy on a 10 yr old Concours so all you guys on sport bikes should be able to keep up! LOL Seriously, I like to ride fairly quickly so there will be 2 groups or if not too many show up the route provides plenty of places to stop and wait for all to catch up. The route is pretty entertaining (Fred Grefe has ridden on part of it with me) with lots of corners and great scenery. If there is interest we can stop for lunch or dinner at Bryce resort. Another option is for everyone to bring a swimsuit to go for a dip after the ride...I have room in my saddlebags! :) All the usual group stuff applies (ride your own ride!!) Come prepared to have fun...everyone is invited no matter what type of bike you ride. And I have a GPS so I'm sure I'll keep up the tradition of making a few wrong turns! :) Please let me know who is interested and which day you prefer...so far the weather looks better for Saturday. Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 07:55:31 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 04:55:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket To: Tim Morrow , DC Cycles Your right that taking riding courses is an excellent suggestion but I'm really getting sick and tired of the "take it to the track" attitude as ALWAYS being the ONLY way to do ANY aggressive riding. Not everybody wants to be on the damn race track including myself. I'm not saying to go out and be a hooligan on the streets and I'm not saying to go out and ride 10/10ths on the street either but YOU can go out on the streets have a great time riding fairly aggressively without riding around the same old boring ride like a race track. just my .02 (flame suit ready) Glenn --- Tim Morrow wrote: > > Hi Matt. Sorry to hear about your friend's accident. > I ride a '97 > Triumph Speed Triple. I like using *all* of my > tires. I also like > getting home at the end of my ride, and I like not > having to hire > lawyers to fight reckless driving charges. So, when > I want to *really* > rail through the corners, I go to Summit Point or > Roebling Road or > Daytona International Speedway or Virginia > International Raceway or > Carolina Motorsports Park and race on the racetrack > where racing SHOULD > be conducted. I suggest you and your friend (after > he recovers both > physically and financially) do the same. That's the > most constructive > response I can offer. > > One other little thing: If either of you have not > yet taken BOTH the > MRC:RSS *and* the ERC through the Virginia Rider > Training Program, I > suggest you do so as soon as practically possible. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:00:34 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:00:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: Tim Morrow , DC Cycles Don't know which year you have but I rode a Speed Triple a couple years ago down in Princeton, WV when DC Cycles had a weekend trip down there and no offense but the Speed Triple has the twitcyest front end I've ever seen on any street bike I've been on. I know list member that will agree with me how loose that front end was. After the 20 or 30 miles I rode the bike I was more then happy to give the bike back and get back on my bike. Glenn --- Tim Morrow wrote: Triumph 955 Speed Triple - not the fastest, but the > most fun; and comfy. > > (Yeah, I have one, but I'm totally unbiased... mine > is *only* the old > 885cc version!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:10:15 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:10:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: HGerm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sixy (I guess that's your name?), I really like the 929. Zbig on the list has one I had the great opportunity to ride it from the US 220 / US 33 intersection in WV to Petersburg, WV. A very nice machine in every aspect. Handles extremely well, great power and the biggest brake rotors I've ever seen on the front of a bike. If I were going out and buying a new bike it would be hard to pass that one by. Glenn --- HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > Just got back from the Honda/Suzuki dealer. Got a > chance to play around with > the GSX1300(Hayabusa), CBR929RR, and the GSX750. Of > the three the GSX750 had > the most sportsbike orientation - down in front - up > in back position. The > GSX1300 is a big bike! Much more relaxed then the > GSX750, but boy is that > tank ever big. Then I got on the CBR929RR.. about > as comfortable as the GSX > - smaller tank - and lighter. Of the three I liked > the feel of the 929... > although admittedly all of this was on the dealer's > showroom floor... they > did not have one available for a test spin. > > Anybody out there on a 929RR.... anybody with an > opinion on the 929RR... > Thanks//Sixy// __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:11:25 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:12:30 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Jeannette Zell Subject: The Swim Home Anyone else get the pleasure of swimming home last night? I think I caught the worst of the downpour, 'cause as I was pulling onto my street, it slowed to a trickle. : ( I have great timing. You know how it can be fun to drive through a big puddle in your car? Not so on a bike. No, I didn't do it on purpose. ; ) I was cruising along, trying to avoid getting mashed by all the drivers who for some reason think 15 mph on Rt. 50 is needed during any sort of rain when I hit a puddle. I literally got SOAKED. It felt like I had hit a small wave in the ocean. My docs were dripping when I got home! I had to peel the layers of leather and clothes off. Yuck. Side note - This may sound stupid, but I'd never ridden through a puddle of standing water before on my bike. My bike didn't seem to lose traction or anything, but normally this would not be good, right? Avoid puddles, correct? Thanks. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:15:44 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:15:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Non moto... Those Camera's To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For those of you who love those red light cameras as much as I do check out this link. It seems this camera is for speeders. I guess its just a mater of time before we have these too. http://PassThisOn.com/ticket/?t=bobby+and+frank&f=Fern __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:47:20 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:47:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Non moto... Those Camera's (Delete now if you don't want to read non-moto related flamage) First, I /really/ hate sites that open new windows after you view the first page and the close your browser. If you're going to post a url that points to a site that does crap like that, please give some warning. ALSO, some people have oppressive regimes where they work, which frown upon "inappropriate" content. I consider it courteous to include some sort of warning with a URL that points such content... just say something like `May not be "work safe"' On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:15:35 -0700 (PDT) > From: Glenn Dysart > Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Non moto... Those Camera's > > For those of you who love those red light cameras as > much as I do check out this link. It seems this > camera is for speeders. I guess its just a mater of > time before we have these too. > > http://PassThisOn.com/ticket/?t=bobby+and+frank&f=Fern > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:51:30 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:51:20 -0400 From: Tim Morrow To: dysart@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Glenn Dysart wrote: > Don't know which year you have but I rode a Speed > Triple a couple years ago down in Princeton, WV when > DC Cycles had a weekend trip down there and no offense > but the Speed Triple has the twitcyest front end I've > ever seen on any street bike I've been on. I know > list member that will agree with me how loose that > front end was. After the 20 or 30 miles I rode the > bike I was more then happy to give the bike back and > get back on my bike. Perhaps it was the particular example that you had occasion to ride? I've ridden several, and never had any problems with the front-end being planted, stable, and predictable. Yes, you have more leverage on the bars than you do with narrow, low clip-ons, but that doesn't make the front-end twitchy unless you continue to apply the same amount of muscle into the wider, taller bar that you would into clip-ons. I've also never read any reviews in the American or British press about any unusual twitchiness in the T509's front-end. It is, after all, the same fork as the Honda CBR900RR with a 17" front wheel instead of the 16" front wheel that the CBR900RR had. In fact, I've known people who have switched their CBR900RR wheel to a 17" size in order to "slow down" the steering of their RR. Also, tire choice has a great deal of influence on how the front end feels. A Dunlop D207 (*especially* the GP version, which I run on my EX500 racebike) has a much more triangular profile than a Bridgestone BT56SS, for example, and will "fall into" turns much more quickly than many other tires. If the bike you rode was so equipped, and you came off a bike with more weight on the front end, and less leverage on the bars, that might explain why the bike felt so strange. But to the best of my knowledge, there is nothing inherently twitchy or out of the range of "normal" sportbike steering dynamics that is endemic to the Speed Triple. Tim -- nttp://www.FlaminDucRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:53:51 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:45:22 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Jeannette Zell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: The Swim Home You're right, puddles should be avoided because one never knows what lurks beneath the water. The daddy of all potholes? Very possible. Not to mention a serious water blast could blow you right off the bike. But traction shouldn't be a problem. The shape and narrow width of a motorcycle tire isn't the greatest for *surfing* AKA hydroplaning. Plus, hydroplaning is directly related to tire air pressure - the more the better - and cycles usually run PSI above 35. Note: for those of you in cages multiply the square root of your tire pressure by 10 and that gives you an approximate hydroplaning speed with FRESH rubber. Bill Jeannette Zell wrote: > Anyone else get the pleasure of swimming home last night? > I think I caught the worst of the downpour, 'cause as I was pulling onto my > street, it slowed to a trickle. : ( > I have great timing. > You know how it can be fun to drive through a big puddle in your car? > Not so on a bike. No, I didn't do it on purpose. ; ) > I was cruising along, trying to avoid getting mashed by all the drivers who > for some reason think 15 mph on Rt. 50 is needed during any sort of rain > when I hit a puddle. I literally got SOAKED. It felt like I had hit a > small wave in the ocean. My docs were dripping when I got home! I had to > peel the layers of leather and clothes off. Yuck. > > Side note - This may sound stupid, but I'd never ridden through a puddle of > standing water before on my bike. My bike didn't seem to lose traction or > anything, but normally this would not be good, right? > Avoid puddles, correct? > > Thanks. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:54:56 2000 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: jzell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Swim Home Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:53:44 -0400 I had the audacity to think the deluge would pass, hopping my bike and heading out onto GW Parkway towards Alexandria. Cars really were acting like idiots, though, as if they couldn't handle driving through a half-foot of water. Coming around the Memorial Bridge access onto GW, all the cars were in the right-hand lane, crawling along. I went through the left-lane at about 15-20 mph, zipping past all the cages. GW Parkway was a mess, with standing puddles everywhere. I just tried to take it easy and try to avoid breaking situations. Going straight was no problem at all. Got splashed pretty hard by some of the traffic going in the opposite direction, but once I passed National Airport, the storm was over and there were blue skies and dry roads. When I got home my fiancee was wondering why I was drenched when it was such a nice day out. I told her I hit some puddles . . . It looks like it might be time for some new rain slicks. I think there's a hole in the crotch of my rain pants, and when I took off them off, it had looked like I had wet my pants. Now conditions weren't THAT bad! Bests, Erik P.S. It didn't really come to it, but in extrely deep puddles, it is a good idea to keep you revs high (toggling speed with the clutch) to avoid water getting in your pipes and then into your engine. When I was in the middle of the storm, it seemd this might become necceasry. Luckily, it didn't. -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Zell [mailto:jzell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 8:13 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: The Swim Home Anyone else get the pleasure of swimming home last night? I think I caught the worst of the downpour, 'cause as I was pulling onto my street, it slowed to a trickle. : ( I have great timing. You know how it can be fun to drive through a big puddle in your car? Not so on a bike. No, I didn't do it on purpose. ; ) I was cruising along, trying to avoid getting mashed by all the drivers who for some reason think 15 mph on Rt. 50 is needed during any sort of rain when I hit a puddle. I literally got SOAKED. It felt like I had hit a small wave in the ocean. My docs were dripping when I got home! I had to peel the layers of leather and clothes off. Yuck. Side note - This may sound stupid, but I'd never ridden through a puddle of standing water before on my bike. My bike didn't seem to lose traction or anything, but normally this would not be good, right? Avoid puddles, correct? Thanks. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:58:09 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... VTwin in twisties Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:56:02 -0700 Jack, Maybe that's what I'm thinking of. I know that I've read about every article ever written about them, as I was (am still somewhat) interested in a big-twin sport bike. However, I've got about 20 years of riding liter-class fours, so I'm used to that power delivery. Perry -----Original Message----- From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX [mailto:GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 5:01 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... VTwin in twisties [snip] >The earlier model of TLS (like mine, 97) had some problems with fuel inj. mapping >that made the throttle twitchy...maybe that is what you are referring to? From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 09:02:08 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 09:01:54 -0400 From: Tim Morrow To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket Glenn Dysart wrote: > Your right that taking riding courses is an excellent > suggestion but I'm really getting sick and tired of > the "take it to the track" attitude as ALWAYS being > the ONLY way to do ANY aggressive riding. Not > everybody wants to be on the damn race track including > myself. I'm not saying to go out and be a hooligan on > the streets and I'm not saying to go out and ride > 10/10ths on the street either but YOU can go out on > the streets have a great time riding fairly > aggressively without riding around the same old boring > ride like a race track. Oh, I didn't say that the race track was the only place for spirited, sporting riding. I did mention that I like using *all* of the tire on my street bike. What I did say was that when I really want to *rail* through the corners, I do so on the ractrack. With the performance envelope of modern motorcycles, you simply cannot explore the limits with any degree of safety on the public roads. If you're content to ride well within the limits of your bike, the road, and the environment, there is no reason at all to go to the track. Even while riding at a sporting pace that would probably appall a "civilian" on-looker, a good rider can ride on the street well within all those limits (while, I might add, obliterating any and all posted speed limits). However, when you crash on the street, I think you have a responsibility (if to no one else, than at least to yourself) to consider the possibility that perhaps you exceeded the limits of your bike, your own personal limits, or the limits of the environment in which you were riding. It's very seldom that experienced riders have solo street accidents while riding within themselves. Note that I didn't say it *never* happens - because it can and does - but it is extremely rare. So, taking a class in an attempt to become a better rider would seem to me to be an appropriate response to a single vehicle street crash. So would going to the track for sport bike days, track days, road racing school, or to race, if you feel that there is no way to enjoy your high performance motorcycle on the street without pushing *its* envelope - which is significantly higher than that of most riders and most public roads. Another appropriate response would be to slow the hell down while riding on the street, but I just don't see that option pursued or discussed much! Tim -- MSF #21769 CCS Expert #19 http://www.FlaminDucRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 09:04:19 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:04:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: The Swim Home On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Jeannette Zell wrote: > Side note - This may sound stupid, but I'd never ridden through a > puddle of standing water before on my bike. My bike didn't seem to > lose traction or anything, but normally this would not be good, right? > Avoid puddles, correct? Avoid the puddles if you can. However, if you have no choice then stand up, get your weight back, and stay on the throttle. This will give you the greatest margin of safety (since you can't see what's at the bottom of the puddle). You can avoid getting soaked by wheelying through the puddle. :) Well, it works on the dirtbike, anyway... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 09:18:00 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 06:17:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: Tim Morrow , dysart@XXXXXX, DC Cycles The bike I rode had some flavor of the Bridgestone BT tires. They may have been the earlier BT-56, don't remember. I've also riden a couple 900 RR's and never experience this problem. Maybe it was just this particular bike but somehow I don't beleive so. Glenn --- Tim Morrow wrote: > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > Don't know which year you have but I rode a Speed > > Triple a couple years ago down in Princeton, WV > when > > DC Cycles had a weekend trip down there and no > offense > > but the Speed Triple has the twitcyest front end > I've > > ever seen on any street bike I've been on. I know > > list member that will agree with me how loose that > > front end was. After the 20 or 30 miles I rode > the > > bike I was more then happy to give the bike back > and > > get back on my bike. > > Perhaps it was the particular example that you had > occasion to ride? I've ridden several, and never had > any problems with the front-end being planted, > stable, > and predictable. Yes, you have more leverage on the > bars than you do with narrow, low clip-ons, but that > doesn't make the front-end twitchy unless you > continue > to apply the same amount of muscle into the wider, > taller > bar that you would into clip-ons. > > I've also never read any reviews in the American or > British press about any unusual twitchiness in the > T509's > front-end. It is, after all, the same fork as the > Honda > CBR900RR with a 17" front wheel instead of the 16" > front > wheel that the CBR900RR had. In fact, I've known > people > who have switched their CBR900RR wheel to a 17" size > in > order to "slow down" the steering of their RR. > > Also, tire choice has a great deal of influence on > how > the front end feels. A Dunlop D207 (*especially* the > GP > version, which I run on my EX500 racebike) has a > much more > triangular profile than a Bridgestone BT56SS, for > example, > and will "fall into" turns much more quickly than > many > other tires. If the bike you rode was so equipped, > and > you came off a bike with more weight on the front > end, > and less leverage on the bars, that might explain > why > the bike felt so strange. > > But to the best of my knowledge, there is nothing > inherently > twitchy or out of the range of "normal" sportbike > steering > dynamics that is endemic to the Speed Triple. > > Tim > -- > nttp://www.FlaminDucRacing.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 09:29:36 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:29:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Tim Morrow wrote: > I've also never read any reviews in the American or > British press about any unusual twitchiness in the T509's > front-end. Bill's bike (the one Glenn rode) was the original Speed Triple, not a T509. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 09:33:29 2000 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: The Swim Home Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:33:51 -0400 I rode out I-66 west from Georgetown around 5:30 last night and rode through the worst of it. I saw riders huddled under all the overpasses. The one huge overpass around Fairfax Drive had 5 or 6 riders waiting, they all appeared to have tried to get home in shirt sleeves, 'cause they had no jackets. I must have looked pretty funny in my bright blue and orange First Gear rainsuit, but I had to get to NT class and since I'm paying through the nose for it, I didn't let a few droplets of moisture get in the way. Traffic came to a halt so I got off I-66 and went on Rt. 29 instead, got back on I-66 after Sycamore where the pace picked up considerably. I tend to be careful of the puddles, but more so of my panic instinct. Grabbing too much brake or swerving too hard is more of a concern, just leave plenty of time and space to react. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Zell [mailto:jzell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 8:13 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: The Swim Home Anyone else get the pleasure of swimming home last night? I think I caught the worst of the downpour, 'cause as I was pulling onto my street, it slowed to a trickle. : ( I have great timing. You know how it can be fun to drive through a big puddle in your car? Not so on a bike. No, I didn't do it on purpose. ; ) I was cruising along, trying to avoid getting mashed by all the drivers who for some reason think 15 mph on Rt. 50 is needed during any sort of rain when I hit a puddle. I literally got SOAKED. It felt like I had hit a small wave in the ocean. My docs were dripping when I got home! I had to peel the layers of leather and clothes off. Yuck. Side note - This may sound stupid, but I'd never ridden through a puddle of standing water before on my bike. My bike didn't seem to lose traction or anything, but normally this would not be good, right? Avoid puddles, correct? Thanks. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 09:46:29 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 09:47:37 -0400 To: , "'DC Cycles'" From: Jeannette Zell Subject: RE: The Swim Home Yeah, thanks, that's what I try to avoid the most too. If there weren't so many idiot cage drivers, my rides home during rain would go pretty smoothly! If they'd just keep moving, I'd be fine! Luckily I've ridden in the rain enough that it doesn't bother me. I'd love to be a fly on the wall as I pass some of those cars, though! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 09:33 AM 8/2/00 -0400, Cedric Bernescut wrote: Grabbing >too much brake or swerving too hard is more of a concern, just leave plenty >of time and space to react. >Cedric From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 09:51:40 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Jeannette Zell" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: The Swim Home Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:50:07 -0700 I lucked out compared to the other folks who responded. I left work a little early and got home literally two MINUTES before the deluge started. I barely had time to put the bike cover on and make a break for the house. Except for a slight sprinkle while on the beltway, I didn't have to ride through any of that storm. I rode in to work today too, though, so all this goes with a big KNOCK ON WOOD. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Zell [mailto:jzell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 5:13 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: The Swim Home Anyone else get the pleasure of swimming home last night? I think I caught the worst of the downpour, 'cause as I was pulling onto my street, it slowed to a trickle. : ( I have great timing. You know how it can be fun to drive through a big puddle in your car? Not so on a bike. No, I didn't do it on purpose. ; ) I was cruising along, trying to avoid getting mashed by all the drivers who for some reason think 15 mph on Rt. 50 is needed during any sort of rain when I hit a puddle. I literally got SOAKED. It felt like I had hit a small wave in the ocean. My docs were dripping when I got home! I had to peel the layers of leather and clothes off. Yuck. Side note - This may sound stupid, but I'd never ridden through a puddle of standing water before on my bike. My bike didn't seem to lose traction or anything, but normally this would not be good, right? Avoid puddles, correct? Thanks. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 09:57:29 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 06:57:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: The Swim Home To: Jeannette Zell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I agree with Kirk that if you can't avoid the standing water ... get off the seat and be prepared for sticks-pot holes ect.. I think the most dangerous is high speed in standing water - causing hydroplaning - so i make sure i am going slow through standing water. Here is the formula to figure out.. at what speed your tires will start hydroplaning for airplanes.... you can use it for motorcycles as well i guess... 9 times square root of tire pressure per 1/10 of Viscous(standing water only - not for slush, rubber reversal, ect...) I needed a shower anyways yesterday..... and i got a good one going home. I got to get better and get a continous wheelie for the whole trip home!! --- Kirk Roy wrote: > On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Jeannette Zell wrote: > > Side note - This may sound stupid, but I'd never > ridden through a > > puddle of standing water before on my bike. My > bike didn't seem to > > lose traction or anything, but normally this would > not be good, right? > > Avoid puddles, correct? > > Avoid the puddles if you can. However, if you have > no choice then stand > up, get your weight back, and stay on the throttle. > This will give you the > greatest margin of safety (since you can't see > what's at the bottom of the > puddle). You can avoid getting soaked by wheelying > through the puddle. :) > Well, it works on the dirtbike, anyway... > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 > (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 > (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: > http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 10:00:05 2000 From: "Thomas_Zell" To: Subject: Re: Non moto... Those Camera's Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:04:27 -0400 Hey.. I hate those sites, too, however, I'm smarter than the average bear so I have already "stolen" the pic. If anyone wnats it I can send out copies! :-) Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Brown" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 8:47 AM Subject: Re: Non moto... Those Camera's > > > (Delete now if you don't want to read non-moto related flamage) > > > > First, I /really/ hate sites that open new windows after you view the first page > and the close your browser. If you're going to post a url that points to > a site that does crap like that, please give some warning. > > ALSO, some people have oppressive regimes where they work, which frown upon > "inappropriate" content. I consider it courteous to include some sort of > warning with a URL that points such content... just say something like > `May not be "work safe"' > > > > > On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:15:35 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Glenn Dysart > > Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Non moto... Those Camera's > > > > For those of you who love those red light cameras as > > much as I do check out this link. It seems this > > camera is for speeders. I guess its just a mater of > > time before we have these too. > > > > http://PassThisOn.com/ticket/?t=bobby+and+frank&f=Fern > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 10:05:24 2000 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: The Swim Home Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:05:58 -0400 You should have seen the looks on the faces of my fellow class members. They are all getting paid overtime to attend the course, which of course is paid for by their employers and they got to school in their new SUV's, whilst this member of the angry proletariat surfed over to class on his used CBR. Oops, was that a rant? Rain doesn't bother me either, though I did learn the hard way once that my First Gear jacket will bleed like Roger Corman movie all over my nice dress shirt and tie unless I wear a rainsuit over it. My gloves did leave me with black hands, though. Luckily I've ridden in the rain enough that it doesn't bother me. I'd love to be a fly on the wall as I pass some of those cars, though! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 09:33 AM 8/2/00 -0400, Cedric Bernescut wrote: Grabbing >too much brake or swerving too hard is more of a concern, just leave plenty >of time and space to react. >Cedric From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 10:16:49 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:17:56 -0400 To: , "'DC Cycles'" From: Jeannette Zell Subject: RE: The Swim Home LOL, I had black hands, too! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 10:05 AM 8/2/00 -0400, Cedric Bernescut wrote: My gloves did leave me with black hands, though. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 10:40:56 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:39:58 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > |>> No helmet and drunk. Sounds like a great way to ride a bike. > |>It's a wonderful way to ride, lots of fun. Until you crash. > |>Why do otherwise normal people do this to themselves? > > A helmet openent strikes you as otherwise normal? Well, yeah. Most of them do like motorcycles otherwise. That's normal to me. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 10:55:37 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:54:46 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > I'll be looking forward to seeing what your reponse is to the question > preposed "what if that was your sister on the back". If my sister was part of the drug-using, bike-stealing, cop-running crowd, my response would be the same. Actually, if I had known she was knowingly riding around on stolen bikes, I'd have turned her in myself. Now if she was stupid enough to hang around with a drug-using, bike-stealing, cop-running bastard, and was killed in a subsequent chase while only being guilty of bad judgement, yes I would be saddened. But I still could not hold the police responsible for *HER* bad judgement. > I some how can't imagine you telling the surviving family "I'm glad the > cops chased them". Remember, we still do not know if the passenger was > completely innocent or contributing to the lawbreaking. No, but I suspect the families involved probably have some indication. > When the cops are PUNISHING suspects, or RISKING people's lives over > only what they know to be a speeding ticket, But it seems to me that the majority of folks who run from cops have some *reason* to run, i.e. more serious crimes they are trying to hide, etc. It certainly was the case here. I'm all for the police to try to bring these thugs to justice. I simply cannot understand why you folks are angry at the police for putting folks in danger when it's the perps who are running are the real reason for the high speed chase in the first place. If they pull over, no chase. If they run, the cops *must* follow, IMO. The rider and his now dead passenger are not victims here, people! Horkster, lone staunch defender of the men & women in blue, apparently -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 11:00:09 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:59:46 -0400 From: Dave Yates CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: The Swim Home Jeannette Zell wrote: > > Anyone else get the pleasure of swimming home last night? Missed a dip in the pool as I comically 'raced the rain clouds' home last night ;-) Leaving NIH, heading east well, east in a roundabout fashion. The clouds were ominous, but I work early, get off early & beat all the rainfall :-) Hot in the 'stich tho... > I think I caught the worst of the downpour, 'cause as I was pulling onto my > street, it slowed to a trickle. : ( > I have great timing. By beating the rain yesterday, I've upset the Karmic balance, and now I am destined to be poured on very soon... Probably Friday PM, the worst possible time... Perhaps I can tip the Karmic scales in my favor - let minivans in front of me today & tommorrow... > You know how it can be fun to drive through a big puddle in your car? Uhh, no. It's a Mustang, she hates water... > Not so on a bike. No, I didn't do it on purpose. ; ) > I was cruising along, trying to avoid getting mashed by all the drivers who > for some reason think 15 mph on Rt. 50 is needed during any sort of rain > when I hit a puddle. At least when it snows, some people have the common sense to stay home... Perhaps rain should be classified as 'inclement weather' around here ;-) I literally got SOAKED. It felt like I had hit a > small wave in the ocean. My docs were dripping when I got home! I had to > peel the layers of leather and clothes off. Yuck. Well, so did I - no matter how the ride goes, the stich doesn't flow enough air over say, 85f . > > Side note - This may sound stupid, but I'd never ridden through a puddle of > standing water before on my bike. My bike didn't seem to lose traction or > anything, but normally this would not be good, right? right. > Avoid puddles, correct? Since you can't see the bottom, I'd say yes... Nothing like finding out that puddle hides a wheel ruining, tire flattening, frame jolting, bone jarring pot hole... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 11:09:36 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:09:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION!! To: Corbett B , DC Cycles --- Corbett B wrote: > Tommy G- > > Lesbianism is about having your biscuit - and eating > it too! hmmm....if i had my own biscuit to take care of, i think i'd be repulsed at the thought of eating anyone else's > > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > What the hell is the big lesbo fad all about? > > > It just don't make sense to me that it's OK for a > > > woman be a diver but tabboo for a man to go > > > around buggering the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 11:20:31 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 11:19:41 -0400 From: Randy Moran CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Hey Dale, I haven't thrown my .02 in on this particular thread simply because I figure people have already read enough about how I feel about the whole "cops and who's in the wrong when someone dies in a police chase" scenario. But, just so you know and don't feel like the last Mohican, I am in total agreement with you on this one...So buck up, little camper! Randy Dale Horstman wrote: > Horkster, lone staunch defender of the men & women in blue, apparently From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 11:27:54 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: HGerm@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:32:50 GMT |>Anybody out there on a 929RR.... anybody with an opinion on the 929RR... A friend of mine had one and sold it. He already has a souped up R1 so.. it's not like he sold it out of dissapointment. He only bought it to play with it, and if it happened to outperform stock r1's in speed/ power, he would have kept it. Anyway, he said it was the best handling bike he's ever owned. I think he also said it was prone to headshake (being so light), you'd want a steering dampener. Coincidentally, the new buyer, took it onto a road with mondo bumps because it was being repaved (military road in dc i think), and ended up laying it down. Supposedly he had a lot of headshake before he came off of it. (he hit 2 of those bumps). If you would like a horse of mouth description, discussion, i'm sure he'd be more than willing to give you his full impression and answer your questions. Reply off list if you're interested and I'll give you his email address. I'm not sure if he's online today though. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 12:00:27 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 19:05:18 GMT |>> When the cops are PUNISHING suspects, or RISKING people's lives over |>> only what they know to be a speeding ticket, |> |>But it seems to me that the majority of folks who run from cops have |>some *reason* to run, i.e. more serious crimes they are trying to |>hide, etc. It certainly was the case here. I'm all for the police |>to try to bring these thugs to justice. Most of the bikes that elude police are probably properly owned yet would not want the consequences of being caught doing 140+ mph. I don't think motorcycles are the choice ride of murderers or those trying to transport pounds and pounds of contraband. Most of the runners I know have jobs, and have registered vehicles and aren't thugs at all. It's one thing to chase a single occupant bike on an empty road. It's quite different to chase one who has a passenger. It's kind of like storming a house, or storming a house with hostages. you have to be careful. . |>I simply cannot understand why you folks are angry at the police |>for putting folks in danger when it's the perps who are running |>are the real reason for the high speed chase in the first place. Poor wording? You just said the police put the folks in danger. Do you subcounsciously agree? or I guess i'm just playing semantics.. High speed persuits injure people, and damage property. Some of us just would rather not have these outcomes be risked merely because of speeding. |>If they pull over, no chase. If they run, the cops *must* follow, |>IMO. The rider and his now dead passenger are not victims here, people! The passenger may be a victim. That is yet to be determined. If the passenger didn't have the option of choosing to pull over and disengage the chase, and would have done such if s/he could, then the passenger may very well be the victim. The rider is mostly to blame, but the cop also is partially to blame for engaging the rider to continue to ride beyond his limits. |>Horkster, lone staunch defender of the men & women in blue, apparently Why defend bad judgement/ policy. If you really care about, and support cops, you shouldn't be wanting them to risk their lives with high speed persuits merely for what they observe to be speeders. Remember, innocent people die when emergency vehicles have accidents. I support police officers conducting themselves in a professional manner. Playing cops and robbers chase em down till they crash (and or beat em) doesn't qualify as that. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 12:23:25 2000 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:30:14 -0400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 The Horkster Wrote: Horkster, lone staunch defender of the men & women in blue, apparently No, you're not the only one. Just the most vocal :) I've said it before and I'll say it again: You run from the cops and you deserve a MINIMUM of a good ass-kickin' if you get caught. My uncle says that is what stopped him from street-racing hot rods back in the 60s. Every time he got caught, the cops would kick his ass and send him home. No tickets, no jail, just bloody noses and bruises. IMO, the cops have to chase people who run. Otherwise, everyone will just run. Yep, some people are going to get killed or hurt in the process, but the alternative is that the cops just watch everyone run. If I knew for a FACT that the cops weren't going to give chase, I'd sure haul ass instead of getting a ticket. But, I don't because I don't want to endanger my life and a cops/others. I also usually deserve the ticket. I think that cops are generally good people who are just doing their job. I don't think they particularly enjoy traffic duty (at least not the ones I know). On the other hand, I have gotten a ticket for fleeing when I had no clue that a cop was behind me. Much like the Loudoun 9, I was at a stop light with a buddy (Rt. 7 near Leesburg, hmmmm Loudoun). We were sitting there for about 30 seconds, just shootin' the s**t, when a cop car came ripping up the shoulder and pulled in front of us. The cop got out screaming about how he'd been chasing us blah, blah, blah. Reality was, we'd never gone over 80, we were keeping a steady 75 or so. We had ridden about 400 miles and were dead tired. We were both just lying on the tanks trying to get home. I think he took so long to get out of his hiding spot that he had to really haul ass to catch us. There were about 10 cars behind us at the light between us and him. Guy was an a**hole. So ... I guess the ass-kicking rule wouldn't be prudent after all :). Jay St. Peter PS: we beat it in court without a lawyer. From reckless and fleeing to plain ol speeding. I think the judge thought that cop was an a**hole as well. Please, you don't stop at a red light if you're running from the cops. The judge had been hangin everyone that day, we thought for sure we were going to spend some time in jail. Also, is it just me or does it seem like every 3rd car in Leesburg is a cop? Does a small quiet town like Leesburg really need that many cops? From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 12:34:38 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:34:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies At 12:30 PM 8/2/00 , Jay St. Peter wrote: >Also, is it just me or does it seem like every 3rd car in Leesburg is a cop? Its every other car and every third motorcycle Jay. >Does a small quiet town like Leesburg really need that many cops? To stop the massive horse thieve rings. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 12:38:31 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:38:25 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Helmet opponent dies in helmet-less motorcycle accident Helmet opponent dies in helmet-less motorcycle accident The Associated Press 8/1/00 6:36 AM http://www.nj.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?a0503_BC_BRF--NoHelmet-Death&&news&newsflash-national FORT MYERS, Fla. (AP) -- A motorcycling enthusiast who applauded the state's new helmet-free law has died as a result of a motorcycle accident in which she wasn't wearing a helmet. Dorthy Lynette Rushton, 40, smashed her Harley-Davidson early Saturday morning and was thrown more than 50 feet. She died Monday from injuries she sustained in the crash. Rushton probably would have survived had she been wearing a helmet, said Florida Highway Patrol Cpl. John Schultz. He said alcohol was a factor but the lack of a helmet "greatly" contributed to her injuries. Gov. Jeb Bush last month signed into law a measure to let motorcyclists age 21 and older ride without helmets if they carry $10,000 in insurance. It took effect July 1. Friends said motorcycle riding was Rushton's passion -- especially without a helmet. "Lyn wanted to do what she could, even in her death," close friend Kristi Piscitelli said. "She knew this could happen." Copyright 2000 Associated Press. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 13:02:22 2000 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:10:20 -0400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 Mike Troutman wrote: >>Does a small quiet town like Leesburg really need that many cops? >To stop the massive horse thieve rings. Yeah, they should hang those guys or something :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 13:10:10 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:09:56 -0400 From: Dave Paper To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Jay St. Peter wrote: > > Mike Troutman wrote: > > >>Does a small quiet town like Leesburg really need that many cops? > > >To stop the massive horse thieve rings. > > Yeah, they should hang those guys or something :) nah, they need all of the cops to enforce the change in speed limit from 55 to 25 in a matter of like 100 ft (Rt 7 westbound entering leesburg). -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Database Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no accident "user" is a 4 letter word --KV From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 13:11:21 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:17:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:25:29 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Why not just do a combined "The Men and Women of DC Cycles" Calendar? I say we have a pool party somewhere. (snip) Anyone have a pool and want to volunteer it one weekend? Scooter I don't have a pool but I have another offer that involves swimsuits! How about tubing on the Shenendoah River this Sunday? The forecast looks good so far. http://www.rivertrail.com/tube.html I was thinking about a nice ride up to the Harpers Ferry area and meeting for either the 1 PM session or the 3 PM session. Is anyone else interested? Since I am on the digest please reply back to me directly so I may get an idea of how many people are interested. I might want to warn them that a biker gang on 'rocket bikes' might show up ;) '95 VFR Lisa From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 13:19:37 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:19:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies At 01:09 PM 8/2/00 , Dave Paper wrote: >nah, they need all of the cops to enforce the change in speed limit from >55 to 25 in a matter of like 100 ft (Rt 7 westbound entering leesburg). A friend and I were exiting Leesburg at a slightly higher than normal rate of speed last summer when a motorcycle cop came flying up behind us with his siren and lights blazing. We pull over, shut down, and he walks up and tells us to remove our helmets. We do. He then hands us a flyer advertising the upcoming poker run. We were so relieved that we actually went on the poker run ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 13:48:23 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:53:52 -0700 From: Chuck Pena To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Aha! Proof that not all cops suck or are assholes (some people's opinions to the contrary!) I can only say that my one (and only one) encounter with law enforcement while riding a m/c was a "good one". He could've nailed me for doubling the speed limit. But he made it clear that he didn't have a hard-on for motorcycles, rode a motorcycle himself, and was more than happy to sit by the side of the rode and shoot the breeze about motorcycles with me for about 10-15 minutes. Lucky, huh? But it certainly would've been 100% my fault with no excuses and no one else to blame had I gotten a ticket. Horkster - FYI, I defend the boyz in blue when I think they're right and doing their job properly (which I believe largely to be the case in the instance that started this whole thread), but will be the first to be critical of them when I think they're in the wrong. Skittles Troutman wrote: > > At 01:09 PM 8/2/00 , Dave Paper wrote: > >nah, they need all of the cops to enforce the change in speed limit from > >55 to 25 in a matter of like 100 ft (Rt 7 westbound entering leesburg). > > A friend and I were exiting Leesburg at a slightly higher than normal rate > of speed last summer when a motorcycle cop came flying up behind us with > his siren and lights blazing. We pull over, shut down, and he walks up and > tells us to remove our helmets. We do. He then hands us a flyer > advertising the upcoming poker run. We were so relieved that we actually > went on the poker run ;-) > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 13:50:04 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:49:15 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: "Jay St. Peter" CC: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > > >To stop the massive horse thieve rings. > > Yeah, they should hang those guys or something :) Youse guys are just soooo funny. :) Anyway, sounds like we're all gonna have to agree to disagree on this issue regarding the cops. I think they did exactly what they were supposed to in this situation. This will most likely be my last post on this subject. Now, anyone up for an oil thread? :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 13:57:10 2000 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: , Subject: RE: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:03:22 -0400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 >Anyway, sounds like we're all gonna have to agree >to disagree on this issue regarding the cops. I think >they did exactly what they were supposed to in this >situation. Nope, I agree with you. >Now, anyone up for an oil thread? :) Only if you can find a way to make it violent :) Jay From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 14:38:19 2000 From: "Kewl GT" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike selection for shorter people Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:38:09 EDT A friend of mine recently sold her Bandit 400 and is looking for a new bike. We went to Powerride this weekend and tried on the different bikes they have over there. She is about 5'2 and did not fit on 100 percent of the sport bikes there, she could not put both feet on the ground, even a little bit, they where kind of dangling in the air. She wanted nothing to do with the various cruiser type bikes. Does anyone have any suggestions on sport bikes for shorter people or ideas on how the fit shorter people on bikes? The Suzuki GS500E and the Kawasaki 500R ZR-7 come to mind. Thanks for the help Regards Sanath ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 14:50:43 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:56:09 -0700 From: Chuck Pena To: Kewl GT CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people Sanath, She's gonna have a hard time getting both her feet on the ground on any sportbike since I don't think any sportbike has a seat height of less than 30". The one exception might be the Kwak 250 Ninja. If she absolutely, positively wants a sportbike, I can only think of the following options: 1. Getting the bike lowered front and rear. Probably an expensive proposition. Probably will affect overall handling, but not sure how significantly/negatively. But I've heard of short people doing this. 2. Cut/shape the foam in the seatpad (admittedly, not a whole lot to begin with) to allow her to touch down with both feet. 3. Buy a small grey market sportbike (e.g., NC30, CBR400RR, etc.) Harder to find, but they're out there. Chuck Kewl GT wrote: > > A friend of mine recently sold her Bandit 400 and is looking for a new bike. > We went to Powerride this weekend and tried on the different bikes they have > over there. She is about 5'2 and did not fit on 100 percent of the sport > bikes there, she could not put both feet on the ground, even a little bit, > they where kind of dangling in the air. She wanted nothing to do with the > various cruiser type bikes. Does anyone have any suggestions on sport bikes > for shorter people or ideas on how the fit shorter people on bikes? The > Suzuki GS500E and the Kawasaki 500R ZR-7 come to mind. > > Thanks for the help > Regards > Sanath > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 14:51:15 2000 Date: 2 Aug 2000 11:50:59 -0700 To: kewlgt@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people On Wed, 02 August 2000, "Kewl GT" wrote: I am the perfect girl to answer this one. I'm a shrimp! 5'1" and weigh about 110, and had exactly the same problem. Every bike I *really* wanted I was too short for, and being my first bike...didn't want to go out of my comfort limits. I bought the GS500 and love it! As soon as I sat on it I knew that I would be comfortable on this bike. If your friend would like to take mine for a spin and try it out...just let me know. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 > A friend of mine recently sold her Bandit 400 and is looking for a new bike. > We went to Powerride this weekend and tried on the different bikes they have > over there. She is about 5'2 and did not fit on 100 percent of the sport > bikes there, she could not put both feet on the ground, even a little bit, > they where kind of dangling in the air. She wanted nothing to do with the > various cruiser type bikes. Does anyone have any suggestions on sport bikes > for shorter people or ideas on how the fit shorter people on bikes? The > Suzuki GS500E and the Kawasaki 500R ZR-7 come to mind. > > Thanks for the help > Regards > Sanath > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 14:51:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody1.jhmi.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72IpD803547 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA08480 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39886DD5.F555ACA8@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:52:05 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Not Bike Related [Fwd: Monday Night Football ] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0EE6CFD5FB0ABD011401A731" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0EE6CFD5FB0ABD011401A731 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warning, Rated PG-L language --------------0EE6CFD5FB0ABD011401A731 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-POP3-Rcpt: stevied@gigue Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (wsp070276wss.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.250]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA04386; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39884C86.30F9102@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:29:58 -0400 From: Paul Evan Faatz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Monday Night Football Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 AL MICHAELS: Hello and welcome to another edition of ABC's Monday Night Football, tonight broadcasting from beautiful Fed Ex Field in Washington, D.C. I'm Al Michaels, and joining me in the booth are two new members of the ABC family, Dennis Miller and Dan Fouts. DENNIS MILLER: Wow, Monday Night Football. I don't want to appear nervous, but I'm under more strain right now than Linda Tripp's capri pants. I have to tell you, I'm conflicted about this. I usually like to be the outsider, the rabble-rouser, the iconoclast, but I also like a nice seat at a sporting event. And this seat is as nice as they get - except I think I took one of Boomer's old squeak toys up the ass when I sat down. DAN FOUTS: I was a quarterback. MILLER: Thanks for that insight, Mr. Peabody. Dan Fouts, everyone. I'm looking over here, and he's giving me that same blank stare I see when I put my dog on the phone. Hey, this isn't the Senior Tour, Chi Chi. Try to keep up. MICHAELS: Tonight the New England Patriots will try to get started on the right foot after a disappointing 8-8 showing last season. They take on the Washington Redskins, whose owner, Daniel Snyder, has paid out $65 million in free agent salaries and bonus payments in the offseason and is looking for results. MILLER: Snyder is throwing around cash like a screech monkey playing with a pop-up Kleenex dispenser. But he's a real hard-ass - it must be great to coach this team. Norv Turner comes to work every day, hands his balls to Gus, the 80-year-old equipment guy, who puts them in a footlocker behind the Stairmaster until the end of the game. Did you catch that one ass-chewing Turner received last season? Lee Harvey Oswald got off easier in that little room at the Dallas P.D. And when Turner finally got out of there you could tell he was looking around, desperately praying for Jack Ruby to show up and end his fucking misery. MICHAELS: The teams are on the field, and we're almost set for the kickoff. FOUTS: I was the quarterback. I didn't go on the field for the kickoff. MILLER: Jesus, Shaggy, saunter on back to the Mystery Machine and take a breather, OK? Why don't you pick up your brain off that pile of papers it's holding down and see what happens when you plug it in? The game's starting, and I feel like Corporal Agarn trying to explain supply and demand to the fucking Hakowis. MICHAELS: As always, the Fuji Blimp makes its annual appearance at Monday Night Football. Glad to have you back, gentlemen. MILLER: It is balloooooooooon! (high-pitched cackle). MICHAELS: Starting at quarterback for the Redskins will be Jeff George, whom I guess one could call one could call a journeyman at this point in his career. MILLER: I have to admit, when I saw George on the roster I thought he had as much chance of making the team as Linda Hunt on the set of Baywatch. This guy's been around - he's called a lot of plays under a lot of centers. He's seen more giant asses than a guest chair on the Jerry Springer Show. MICHAELS: Snyder spent plenty in the offseason to sign star players such as Deion Sanders and Darrell Green on defense. MILLER: Yeah, but look at that Fantasia broom army of social misfits the Redskins call an offensive line. I have a feeling that George's appearance tonight is going to be shorter than Mini-Me stooping over to pick up one of Dr. Evil's monocles. MICHAELS: George drops back to pass, moves out of the pocket and finds the veteran Michael Westbrook, who is tackled after an 11-yard gain. MILLER: Look, I'm new, I don't know that much about defensive schemes. But it seems to me right there that the middle was as vacant as an interview with Posh Spice. FOUTS: I was in a Miller beer commercial, and your last name is Miller. MILLER: Hey, Aristotle, save some of the probing insight for the rest of us, OK? How come I'm getting the funny feeling that this is an episode of The Munsters, and I'm Marian, the normal one? Now, I don't want to get off on a rant here, but the useful comments coming from your side of the booth could be counted on the one hand of a bad wood shop teacher. I can still see the jelly on your forehead where the electroshock terminals were attached. When I took this job, they didn't tell me that I would be teamed with Pepe the Human Hamster on one side, and on the other a broken-down ex-quarterback who makes Jethro Bodine look like David Niven. I want to find the psychotic network programmers who thought up this train wreck and point out that this shit has to be harder to watch than a sausage being made. FOUTS: I like sausage. MILLER: Ah fuck it, where's my propeller hat? MICHAELS: The handoff is to Stephen Davis, who is tackled at the 39-yard line by defensive tackle Henry Thomas. But there's a flag on the play. MILLER: I'd have to say that was the poorest result since O.J. took the lie-detector test. And look at that ref, will ya? He's got more nervous tics than a Belfast valet. MICHAELS: That play will be brought back, making it first and 20 from the 49-yard line. MILLER: Hey, who took my Raisinettes? Damn you, Roone Arledge! Damn you to hell! MICHAELS: George back to pass ... and the throw to Westbrook falls incomplete. Ty Law covering on the play. MILLER: I don't want to be a downer here, but how about throwin' the freakin' ball to the other side of the field, you know, cha-cha? You've got Westbrook drawing a bigger crowd than Anna Kournikova at the maximum-security lockdown at Rikers, while meanwhile the kid on the other side is lonelier than a hooker at a Star Trek convention. MICHAELS: To be fair, there have only been four plays so far. MILLER: Come on Al, you missing link. That receiver is being shunned like an Amish kid with a nipple ring. The left side of the field is to George as a shower is to the French. You've got a better shot at hearing Charlie Sheen give the keynote address at a Promise Keepers rally than you do of ever - MICHAELS: Sorry to break in on you, Dennis, but Washington is guilty of a false start, and that will set them back another five yards. MILLER: The ref is whipping out that flag like it's the only lighter at a crack house. Later that evening: MICHAELS: So your final score is Washington 17, New England 10. We're headed off to San Francisco for our next Monday night broadcast, hope to see you there. MILLER: I may be late; I don't fly. It'll be me in my Chevy Nova playing Mad Max with the Madden Cruiser all the way down Route 66, and you'll know I'm winning when Pavorotti starts hurling six-legged turkeys out the skylight for ballast. MICHAELS: What will you be doing with your remaining time in Washington, D.C.? FOUTS: Doing a little sightseeing. MILLER: I'll be back at the hotel, masturbating like a red-assed monkey watching the Banana Channel. MICHAELS: So from all of us here at Monday Night Football, see you next week... --------------0EE6CFD5FB0ABD011401A731-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 15:00:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72J0s803719 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e72J23J27626 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:02:03 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: Bike selection for shorter people Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:01:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bffcb4$0fe14e80$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I once came across a CBR600F3 for sale in Alexandria that the owner had lowered for his wife. It involved a bracket for the rear shock and sliding the shocks upward in the triple clamp. The final setup looked pretty good IMHO. The only real "customizing" was having the kickstand cut and rewelded in a shorter length. I didn't buy it because he wanted too much money for a CBR that had recently tasted asphalt and I found a better one for less money. I am not sure where he got the shock bracket, but a search of the web might come up with it. The kickstand can be done at any competent machine shop. This will, however, affect the bike's handling and ground clearance. Cedric Does anyone have any suggestions on sport bikes for shorter people or ideas on how the fit shorter people on bikes? The Suzuki GS500E and the Kawasaki 500R ZR-7 come to mind. Thanks for the help Regards Sanath ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 15:02:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72J2Y803729 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:02:25 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062F82@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'LAURA GRANATO'" , kewlgt@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike selection for shorter people Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:52:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I will attest to that, Laura is a shrimp......but she sure packs a punch! (-: > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [SMTP:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 2:51 PM > To: kewlgt@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people > > On Wed, 02 August 2000, "Kewl GT" wrote: > > I am the perfect girl to answer this one. I'm a shrimp! 5'1" and weigh > about 110, and had exactly the same problem. Every bike I *really* wanted > I was too short for, and being my first bike...didn't want to go out of my > comfort limits. I bought the GS500 and love it! As soon as I sat on it I > knew that I would be comfortable on this bike. If your friend would like > to take mine for a spin and try it out...just let me know. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > A friend of mine recently sold her Bandit 400 and is looking for a new > bike. > > We went to Powerride this weekend and tried on the different bikes they > have > > over there. She is about 5'2 and did not fit on 100 percent of the sport > > > bikes there, she could not put both feet on the ground, even a little > bit, > > they where kind of dangling in the air. She wanted nothing to do with > the > > various cruiser type bikes. Does anyone have any suggestions on sport > bikes > > for shorter people or ideas on how the fit shorter people on bikes? The > > Suzuki GS500E and the Kawasaki 500R ZR-7 come to mind. > > > > Thanks for the help > > Regards > > Sanath > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 15:03:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e72J2v803739 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 11253 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2000 12:01:56 -0700 Date: 2 Aug 2000 12:01:56 -0700 Message-ID: <20000802190156.11252.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 2 Aug 2000 19:01:56 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 02 Aug 2000 12:01:56 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.5 Subject: volunteer ride leader needed We have our "relaxed" ride coming up on the 12th, and it seems there will be a good bit of people joining us. I have one person lined up to lead one group, but need a leader of the possible second group (since Tom decided he'd rather go on vacation. :-). I also need one other volunteer to sweep. If you would like to lead, please let me know so I can put you in contact with my friend Michelle (the other ride leader) so you two can work out a route together. I'll be out of town from tomorrow afternoon until Monday, so try and pop me an e-mail today or tomorrow. Look forward to seeing everyone on the 12th. Laura Granato '99 GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 15:13:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72JCu803982 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA26451 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000802150947.00a1ea10@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:14:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? In-Reply-To: <20000802185059.16439.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tom & I were talking about hosting another DC Cycles party around mid to late September. Anyone up for it? Any ideas for dates? Are there some weekends most people will be out of town? We'd like to have it on a Saturday night so no one has to go to work the next day... : ) We live in Arlington, to give everyone an idea where they'd have to travel to... Who's up for it? When's good for everyone? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 15:24:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e72JO6804411 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000802192358.10925.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.182] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:23:58 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:23:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people To: Kewl GT , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You only need 1 foot on the ground at any 1 time. --- Kewl GT wrote: > A friend of mine recently sold her Bandit 400 and is > looking for a new bike. We went to Powerride this > weekend and tried on the different bikes they have > over there. She is about 5'2 and did not fit on 100 > percent of the sport bikes there, she could not put > both feet on the ground, even a little bit, > they where kind of dangling in the air. She wanted > nothing to do with the various cruiser type bikes. > Does anyone have any suggestions on sport bikes > for shorter people or ideas on how the fit shorter > people on bikes? The Suzuki GS500E and the Kawasaki > 500R ZR-7 come to mind. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 15:24:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72JOe804431 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id i.a4.7f4dacd (3968); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:24:16 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:24:15 EDT Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX, kewlgt@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 In a message dated 8/2/00 3:06:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > I will attest to that, Laura is a shrimp......but she sure packs a punch! I'll say... I still have bruises.... - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 15:36:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72Jav804671 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e72Jaqk17565 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:36:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people In-Reply-To: <20000802185059.16439.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 2 Aug 2000, LAURA GRANATO wrote: > I bought the GS500 and love it! > > > A friend of mine recently sold her Bandit 400 and is looking for a > > new bike. The problem with going from a Bandit 400 to a GS500 is that it's a significant downgrade. Sort of like going from a VW Scirocco to a Ford Escort... :( Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 15:42:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e72Jgj804823 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 2707 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2000 12:42:38 -0700 Date: 2 Aug 2000 12:42:38 -0700 Message-ID: <20000802194238.2706.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 2 Aug 2000 19:42:38 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 02 Aug 2000 12:42:38 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: t_gimer@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: kewlgt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.5 Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people On Wed, 02 August 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > > You only need 1 foot on the ground at any 1 time. Yes, this statement is true for a more experienced rider...the longer you ride, the more comfortable that feels... but for a beginner rider or someone who is inseam challenged (who taught me that one???), one foot will significantly drop their confidence level on the bike. Also, even though some of us chics get out there and ride, we still (although don't want to admit it) have limitations when it comes to riding. Laura > > > --- Kewl GT wrote: > > A friend of mine recently sold her Bandit 400 and is > > looking for a new bike. We went to Powerride this > > weekend and tried on the different bikes they have > > over there. She is about 5'2 and did not fit on 100 > > percent of the sport bikes there, she could not put > > both feet on the ground, even a little bit, > > they where kind of dangling in the air. She wanted > > nothing to do with the various cruiser type bikes. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on sport bikes > > for shorter people or ideas on how the fit shorter > > people on bikes? The Suzuki GS500E and the Kawasaki > > 500R ZR-7 come to mind. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 15:58:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72JwU805106 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008021958.e72JwU805106@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from Dsotm60273@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.37.85b3110 (15867) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web41.aolmail.aol.com (web41.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.2]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:58:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:57:59 EDT From: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Check out a Hawk GT. They have a pretty low seat height stock and with a few basic mods it can get even lower. Plus they are light and handle great. i had one for a few years and it was one of the most enjoyable bikes I ever owned. Tony From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:00:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e72Jxx805136 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000802195949.14255.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.182] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:59:49 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:59:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: kewlgt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Wed, 02 August 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > You only need 1 foot on the ground at any 1 time. > > Yes, this statement is true for a more experienced > rider...the longer you ride, the more comfortable > that feels... > > but for a beginner rider or someone who is inseam > challenged (who taught me that one???), one foot > will significantly drop their confidence level on > the bike. > > Also, even though some of us chics get out there and > ride, we still (although don't want to admit it) > have limitations when it comes to riding. i hear ya.....but if your friend really wants a sportbike she'll have to get a lowering link for it and/or learn to adapt and overcome -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:01:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e72K1V805221 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11446 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2000 20:01:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20000802200127.11445.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:01:27 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:01:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people To: LAURA GRANATO , kewlgt@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If the one I saw last Monday is any indication, the GS500 is really slow. I was at a light waiting to turn left, he pulled up beside me (in my lane) When the light changed, he blasted away, there was a double corner about 100 yards past the light, he backed down so bad that I had to brake to stay behind him, normally I just roll off and do the quick right left. Get a Ninja 250, they're much quicker around the corners. :-) Leon. --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Wed, 02 August 2000, "Kewl GT" wrote: > > I am the perfect girl to answer this one. I'm a > shrimp! 5'1" and weigh about 110, and had exactly > the same problem. Every bike I *really* wanted I > was too short for, and being my first bike...didn't > want to go out of my comfort limits. I bought the > GS500 and love it! As soon as I sat on it I knew > that I would be comfortable on this bike. If your > friend would like to take mine for a spin and try > it out...just let me know. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > A friend of mine recently sold her Bandit 400 and > is looking for a new bike. > > We went to Powerride this weekend and tried on the > different bikes they have > > over there. She is about 5'2 and did not fit on > 100 percent of the sport > > bikes there, she could not put both feet on the > ground, even a little bit, > > they where kind of dangling in the air. She wanted > nothing to do with the > > various cruiser type bikes. Does anyone have any > suggestions on sport bikes > > for shorter people or ideas on how the fit shorter > people on bikes? The > > Suzuki GS500E and the Kawasaki 500R ZR-7 come to > mind. > > > > Thanks for the help > > Regards > > Sanath > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:08:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e72K8C805319 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge2.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Wed Aug 02 13:11:23 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3581SN1A>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:14:02 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5793@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'LAURA GRANATO'" , t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: kewlgt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike selection for shorter people Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:07:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Laura, No doubt! My wife is 5'9" and she works out and has good strength. She's been riding for about 8-9 years and she still likes to be able to flat-foot both feet at a stop. That's one of the reasons we got rid of her Nighthawk and she went with the Eliminator. The seat height is much lower on the Eliminator. I've been trying to figure out how to get her to try sportier bikes, and she got to ride a Centauro that had been lowered about an inch and she loved it. Well, the Centauro wasn't a prime choice for us, but I suggested the ZX-6 and she tried it and she likes it. For me, the ZX-6 feels like a toy (compared to my Concours) but it's a good size for her. And that's what's important. Perry -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 3:43 PM To: t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: kewlgt@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people On Wed, 02 August 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > > You only need 1 foot on the ground at any 1 time. Yes, this statement is true for a more experienced rider...the longer you ride, the more comfortable that feels... but for a beginner rider or someone who is inseam challenged (who taught me that one???), one foot will significantly drop their confidence level on the bike. Also, even though some of us chics get out there and ride, we still (although don't want to admit it) have limitations when it comes to riding. Laura > > > --- Kewl GT wrote: > > A friend of mine recently sold her Bandit 400 and is > > looking for a new bike. We went to Powerride this > > weekend and tried on the different bikes they have > > over there. She is about 5'2 and did not fit on 100 > > percent of the sport bikes there, she could not put > > both feet on the ground, even a little bit, > > they where kind of dangling in the air. She wanted > > nothing to do with the various cruiser type bikes. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on sport bikes > > for shorter people or ideas on how the fit shorter > > people on bikes? The Suzuki GS500E and the Kawasaki > > 500R ZR-7 come to mind. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:14:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e72KEw805398 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 12987 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2000 13:14:45 -0700 Date: 2 Aug 2000 13:14:45 -0700 Message-ID: <20000802201445.12986.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 2 Aug 2000 20:14:45 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 02 Aug 2000 13:14:45 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: mriderleon@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: kewlgt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.5 Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people On Wed, 02 August 2000, Leon Begeman wrote: > > If the one I saw last Monday is any indication, the > GS500 is really slow Leon: It's all in how you ride it! Laura > > Leon. > --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > On Wed, 02 August 2000, "Kewl GT" wrote: > > > > I am the perfect girl to answer this one. I'm a > > shrimp! 5'1" and weigh about 110, and had exactly > > the same problem. Every bike I *really* wanted I > > was too short for, and being my first bike...didn't > > want to go out of my comfort limits. I bought the > > GS500 and love it! As soon as I sat on it I knew > > that I would be comfortable on this bike. If your > > friend would like to take mine for a spin and try > > it out...just let me know. > > > > Laura Granato > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > > > A friend of mine recently sold her Bandit 400 and > > is looking for a new bike. > > > We went to Powerride this weekend and tried on the > > different bikes they have > > > over there. She is about 5'2 and did not fit on > > 100 percent of the sport > > > bikes there, she could not put both feet on the > > ground, even a little bit, > > > they where kind of dangling in the air. She wanted > > nothing to do with the > > > various cruiser type bikes. Does anyone have any > > suggestions on sport bikes > > > for shorter people or ideas on how the fit shorter > > people on bikes? The > > > Suzuki GS500E and the Kawasaki 500R ZR-7 come to > > mind. > > > > > > Thanks for the help > > > Regards > > > Sanath > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:18:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72KIH805505 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e72KJLJ29708 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:19:21 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:18:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01bffcbe$dc5afec0$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000802150947.00a1ea10@intertv.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I'm up for it. I have no date preferences. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Zell [mailto:jzell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 3:14 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? Tom & I were talking about hosting another DC Cycles party around mid to late September. Anyone up for it? Any ideas for dates? Are there some weekends most people will be out of town? We'd like to have it on a Saturday night so no one has to go to work the next day... : ) We live in Arlington, to give everyone an idea where they'd have to travel to... Who's up for it? When's good for everyone? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:21:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72KLH805582 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:21:26 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062F92@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: New Vanson Jacket out Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:11:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain http://www.newenough.com/vanson%20jackets%20vel.htm A new version of the sportrider, even sportier..... mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:38:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72KcY805839 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008022038.e72KcY805839@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id y.69.892e5a0 (15878); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web40.aolmail.aol.com (web40.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.1]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:38:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:38:11 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Swim Home To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown I've got a nice w/r/b AGV Rage jacket that does the same thing when it rains. It ruined a nice white t-shirt by making it red and black. From now on, if I'm out when it starts to rain, I take off my shirt and stuff it under the seat before I start to move. Saved me two shirts that way. Although, I looked like someone beat me up with red and black marks on my chest. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:07:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Cedric Bernescut" writes: << You should have seen the looks on the faces of my fellow class members. They are all getting paid overtime to attend the course, which of course is paid for by their employers and they got to school in their new SUV's, whilst this member of the angry proletariat surfed over to class on his used CBR. Oops, was that a rant? Rain doesn't bother me either, though I did learn the hard way once that my First Gear jacket will bleed like Roger Corman movie all over my nice dress shirt and tie unless I wear a rainsuit over it. My gloves did leave me with black hands, though. Luckily I've ridden in the rain enough that it doesn't bother me. I'd love to be a fly on the wall as I pass some of those cars, though! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 09:33 AM 8/2/00 -0400, Cedric Bernescut wrote: Grabbing >too much brake or swerving too hard is more of a concern, just leave plenty >of time and space to react. >Cedric >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:42:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72Kgg805928 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13K5L8-0002uh-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:42:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:42:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? In-Reply-To: <000e01bffcbe$dc5afec0$770810ac@cedric> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Cedric Bernescut wrote: > I'm up for it. I have no date preferences. > Cedric > As long as she owns a bike and is wearing a bikini. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:44:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72KiL805950 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008022044.e72KiL805950@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 6.16.67ec31 (15863); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web45.aolmail.aol.com (web45.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.6]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:43:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:43:39 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Don't think I can make it this weekend. Although, I will probably be up around the Harpers Ferry area. My sister lives up there and has plans (read work) for me. Will most likely be going in the cage to haul the necessary tools. But, thanks for the invite. I'll look for you guys if I'm around. Scooter In a message dated Wed, 2 Aug 2000 1:12:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Lisa Goddard writes: << Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:25:29 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Why not just do a combined "The Men and Women of DC Cycles" Calendar? I say we have a pool party somewhere. (snip) Anyone have a pool and want to volunteer it one weekend? Scooter I don't have a pool but I have another offer that involves swimsuits! How about tubing on the Shenendoah River this Sunday? The forecast looks good so far. http://www.rivertrail.com/tube.html I was thinking about a nice ride up to the Harpers Ferry area and meeting for either the 1 PM session or the 3 PM session. Is anyone else interested? Since I am on the digest please reply back to me directly so I may get an idea of how many people are interested. I might want to warn them that a biker gang on 'rocket bikes' might show up ;) '95 VFR Lisa >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:52:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72Kq1806146 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e72Kptm08701 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008022051.e72Kptm08701@bacardi.torrentnet.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id l.b9.58740ab (15886); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web40.aolmail.aol.com (web40.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.1]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:51:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:51:33 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies To: , Cc: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown No. No oil thread. Let's try something different. How about spark plugs? Haven't seen a thread on that. What does everyone use? Not that I'm in need of any right now, just wanted a new topic. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Wed, 2 Aug 2000 1:51:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dale Horstman writes: << "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > > >To stop the massive horse thieve rings. > > Yeah, they should hang those guys or something :) Youse guys are just soooo funny. :) Anyway, sounds like we're all gonna have to agree to disagree on this issue regarding the cops. I think they did exactly what they were supposed to in this situation. This will most likely be my last post on this subject. Now, anyone up for an oil thread? :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:53:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody1.jhmi.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72Krc806166 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12368 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39888A8A.122F97AE@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:54:34 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people References: <20000802200127.11445.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's some links that I found for the inseam challenged http://www.ki.org/sbl/join.html http://www.ki.org/sbl/homepagelist.html http://www.nebcom.com/noemi/moto/sbl.faq.html Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:58:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72KwE806307 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-239-40.s294.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.239.40]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13K5ad-0004uq-00; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:58:11 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 00:03:02 GMT Message-ID: <3989b671.564626948@smtp.erols.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20000802131722.00cc2410@mail.wheatintl.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000802131722.00cc2410@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e72KwI806308 On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:19:24 -0400, you wrote: |>tells us to remove our helmets. We do. He then hands us a flyer |>advertising the upcoming poker run. We were so relieved that we actually |>went on the poker run ;-) LOL as far as traffic stops go, nothing better than a cop with a sense of humor, nothing worse than a cop without one! :) Daniel Date fixed, had to run a non 2000 compliant app for a minute From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 17:05:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72L5P806481 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008022105.e72L5P806481@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id n.bd.5c59aa4 (15766); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web41.aolmail.aol.com (web41.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.2]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:04:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:04:24 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Not Bike Related [Fwd: Monday Night Football ] To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown ROTFLMAO. That was HILARIOUS. My sides are hurting. Scooter In a message dated Wed, 2 Aug 2000 2:54:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Steven C. Di Pietro" writes: << Warning, Rated PG-L language Forwarded Message:-------------------- Subj: Monday Night Football Date Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:29:58 -0400 From: Paul Evan Faatz AL MICHAELS: Hello and welcome to another edition of ABC's Monday Night Football, tonight broadcasting from beautiful Fed Ex Field in Washington, D.C. I'm Al Michaels, and joining me in the booth are two new members of the ABC family, Dennis Miller and Dan Fouts. DENNIS MILLER: Wow, Monday Night Football. I don't want to appear nervous, but I'm under more strain right now than Linda Tripp's capri pants. I have to tell you, I'm conflicted about this. I usually like to be the outsider, the rabble-rouser, the iconoclast, but I also like a nice seat at a sporting event. And this seat is as nice as they get - except I think I took one of Boomer's old squeak toys up the ass when I sat down. DAN FOUTS: I was a quarterback. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 17:07:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72L7l806493 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008022107.e72L7l806493@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 8.5b.972ec2c (15702); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web51.aolmail.aol.com (web51.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.12]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:07:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:07:04 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Sounds good to me. I'm gonna be at Keith Code's school in NY from 8/26 - 8/29 but, I should be back for the weekend. Scooter In a message dated Wed, 2 Aug 2000 3:17:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jeannette Zell writes: << Tom & I were talking about hosting another DC Cycles party around mid to late September. Anyone up for it? Any ideas for dates? Are there some weekends most people will be out of town? We'd like to have it on a Saturday night so no one has to go to work the next day... : ) We live in Arlington, to give everyone an idea where they'd have to travel to... Who's up for it? When's good for everyone? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 17:09:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72L94806503 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-239-40.s294.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.239.40]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13K5l8-0006eF-00; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:09:02 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: kewlgt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 00:13:52 GMT Message-ID: <398ab8f2.565268178@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000802185059.16439.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> In-Reply-To: <20000802185059.16439.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e72L99806504 In case anyone hasn't suggested it, your friend might want to wear some platform sole type of boots. It's a very popular idea for the short female riders, as those boots are easy to come by, being a contemporary style. I see it all the time. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 17:13:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72LDs806606 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-239-40.s294.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.239.40]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13K5pn-0007LE-00; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:13:52 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer Cc: LAURA GRANATO , kewlgt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 00:18:42 GMT Message-ID: <398bb9b8.565465758@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000802195949.14255.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000802195949.14255.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e72LDv806607 On Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:59:49 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>i hear ya.....but if your friend really wants a |>sportbike she'll have to get a lowering link for it |>and/or learn to adapt and overcome There is a guy in VA, who creates the lowering kits for a modest price (if you compare them to other prices). All I know is they call him whitey.. and one of the VA dealerships can refer you to him. He may even have a business card pinned to a bulletin board or something. I think he charges around $150. If I recall correctly he has a fairly common last name like "jackson" or something. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 18:04:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe3.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72M43807412 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.28.207.54]) by mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:03:58 -0400 Message-ID: <39889AF7.B4D95926@cox.rr.com> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:04:39 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? References: <4.1.20000802150947.00a1ea10@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds good - I'd prefer Sept 9th or 23rd. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 Jeannette Zell wrote: > Tom & I were talking about hosting another DC Cycles party around mid to > late September. > Anyone up for it? Any ideas for dates? Are there some weekends most > people will be out of town? > We'd like to have it on a Saturday night so no one has to go to work the > next day... : ) > We live in Arlington, to give everyone an idea where they'd have to travel > to... > Who's up for it? > When's good for everyone? > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 19:33:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72NXj809000 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id p.a6.7f98a89 (4540); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:33:27 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:33:27 EDT Subject: Re: volunteer ride leader needed To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 If you're looking for a slower group leader or a sweeper that readily stands out, I'll gladly volunteer. Where and when does the ride start? Rob VanSlyke Moto Guzzi V11 EV From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 20:55:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e730td810617 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8S3G8Y>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:54:28 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Selling N-100 Helmet Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:54:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Folks, I have a new large Nolan N-100 flip top (retractable full-face) helmet that I would be willing to part ways with for $125. I just had it delivered this past Monday, but have decided that my head is either expanding, or the helmet is a different shape that I wear with my Shoei. I can wear it, but it's a little tight, and after my 30-40 minute commute it just feels all the tighter. The $125 I'd ask for it is the price charged by the place I bought it from, and I'd be willing to eat the shipping costs (~$11), and start the new helmet search over. I really like the idea of the flip up, and it's been really nice to ride half-shell style through my neighborhood or when filling up my gas tank. Come to think of it, I might just get the thing in XL if the place I bought it from still has any on clearance. Rider Wearhouse charges $180 for 'em, and other catalogue, online places want $200+. If you're interested drop a line via this email address (eschelzig@XXXXXX). My office is down town 17th and I, and the helmet is silver. For details about the N-100, see Nolan's Web site at http://www.nolan.it. Again, the particulars, N-100 Large Silver $125 Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 21:15:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5202.mail.yahoo.com (web5202.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e731F3811000 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000803011456.28184.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.70] by web5202.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:14:55 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:14:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: the lesbian "fad" To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well Tom, there's videos out there dedicated to those who prefer their OWN biscuit as well. ;-) --- Tom Gimer wrote: > hmmm....if i had my own biscuit to take care of, i > think i'd be repulsed at the thought of eating > anyone else's --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Corbett B wrote: > > Tommy G- > > > > Lesbianism is about having your biscuit - and > eating > > it too! > > > > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > > > What the hell is the big lesbo fad all about? > > > > It just don't make sense to me that it's OK > for > a > > > > woman be a diver but tabboo for a man to go > > > > around buggering the world. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 21:24:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com (web5201.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e731OJ811095 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000803012412.2031.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.70] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:24:12 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:24:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: final lesbian reference - joke To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii An old cowboy, dressed in cowboy shirt, hat, jeans, spurs and chaps went to a bar, sat down, and ordered a drink. As he was sipping his whiskey, a young lady sat down next to him... After she ordered her drink she turned to the cowboy and asked him, "Are you a REAL cowboy?" He replied, "Well, I've spent my whole life on the ranch herding cows, breaking horses, and mending fences ... so I guess I am." After a short while, he asked her about herself. She replied, "I've never been on a ranch so I'm not a cowboy, but I am a lesbian. I spend my whole day thinking about women. As soon as I get up in the morning, I think of women. When I eat, shower, watch TV - everything seems to make me think of women." A short while later she left, and the cowboy ordered another drink. A couple sat down next to him and asked, "Are you a REAL cowboy?" To which he replied, "I always thought I was, but I just found out I'm a lesbian." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 21:32:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e731WO811245 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000803013216.25110.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.70] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:32:16 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:32:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was told by a former Leesburg cop that Leesburg has had a considerable problem with drug trafficking due to several privately-owned air strips in the area, I couldn't tell you if he was full of BS or not. -Corbett --- Troutman wrote: > At 12:30 PM 8/2/00 , Jay St. Peter wrote: > >Also, is it just me or does it seem like every 3rd > car in Leesburg is a cop? > > Its every other car and every third motorcycle Jay. > > >Does a small quiet town like Leesburg really need > that many cops? > > To stop the massive horse thieve rings. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > More miles than I can shake a squid at. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 23:17:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e733Hd812862 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000803031730.1689.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.7.100] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 20:17:30 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:17:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: FW: If you get a ticket... To: continuum_68@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here you go Mr improv (got this from cindy)....thought you like to read it since you have been getting sooo many tickets this summer!:)))) well that's of course if you want to plead guilty!! >Hey, >Don't know if this will work, but it's worth a try! > > >Just thought I would share this with you, as you know I work in the ticket >enforcement division and in the course of my investigation into fines, >their >payment methods, and how points are assessed against drivers >licenses" we discovered something very interesting. If You Get A Traffic >Ticket, This has been tried and it works..... >I tried to send this to everyone I know. I know that for a fact this >works >so if you ever get in this situation, you have an out. We discovered that >this procedure works in every state. Read it and try it, you have nothing >to >lose but the points on your license. > >This is how it works: > >If you get a speeding ticket or went through a red light or whatever the >case may be, and you are going to get points on your license, then there >is a method to ensure that you DO NOT get any points. When you get your >fine, send in the check to pay for it and if the fine is say, $79, then >make the check out for $82 or some small amount over the fine. The system >will then have to send you back a check for the difference, >but here is the trick! ***DO NOT CASH THE REFUND CHECK!!!*** >Throw it away!! Points are not assessed to your license >until all financial transactions are complete. If you do not cash the >check, then the transactions are NOT complete. However, the system has >gotten >its money and is happy and will not bother you any more. This information >came >to our attention from a very reliable computer company that sets up the >standard database used by each states' DMV. > >Good luck and share this with all your friends and other family members, >as >well!!! > >Ticket Enforcement Division > >Jocelyn G. Viray Basmayor >Administrative Assistant II >San Diego Unified Port District >Corporate Services >619) 686-6574 Office >619) 686-6555 Fax __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 07:46:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73Bkh821819 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 07:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e73Blw315025 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 04:47:58 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 07:47:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bffd40$91589860$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Hey! I spent 5 arduous years matriculating in Isla Vista, California (Go Gauchos!) and since we were not exactly an academic or sports powerhouse, my research efforts were concentrated on the local indigenous species, i.e..those in the attractive one-piece suits. My research proved so demanding that I was forced to spend an additional year there. It seems to provide more of a canvas for the artist to express their mood, although minimalism was and is, the preferred artistic trend. Unfortunately, the two-piece is just so pedestrian these days ;) Imagine, how would the World Superbike sanctioning association advertise if it was limited to such a small canvas to work with? On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Cedric Bernescut wrote: > I'm up for it. I have no date preferences. > Cedric > As long as she owns a bike and is wearing a bikini. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 07:47:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3605.mail.yahoo.com (web3605.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.109]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e73BlL821829 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 07:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000803114710.11754.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3605.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:47:10 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 04:47:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: If you get a ticket... To: Matthew Ehlert , continuum_68@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is an old one and as far as I know it will NOT work in VA. Glenn --- Matthew Ehlert wrote: > Here you go Mr improv (got this from > cindy)....thought > you like to read it since you have been getting sooo > many tickets this summer!:)))) well that's of > course > if you want to plead guilty!! > > >Hey, > >Don't know if this will work, but it's worth a try! > > > > > >Just thought I would share this with you, as you > know I work in the > ticket > >enforcement division and in the course of my > investigation into > fines, > >their > >payment methods, and how points are assessed > against > drivers > >licenses" we discovered something very > interesting. > If You Get A > Traffic > >Ticket, This has been tried and it works..... > >I tried to send this to everyone I know. I know > that > for a fact this > >works > >so if you ever get in this situation, you have an > out. We discovered > that > >this procedure works in every state. Read it and > try > it, you have > nothing > >to > >lose but the points on your license. > > > >This is how it works: > > > >If you get a speeding ticket or went through a red > light or whatever > the > >case may be, and you are going to get points on > your > license, then > there > >is a method to ensure that you DO NOT get any > points. When you get > your > >fine, send in the check to pay for it and if the > fine > is say, $79, > then > >make the check out for $82 or some small amount > over > the fine. The > system > >will then have to send you back a check for the > difference, > >but here is the trick! ***DO NOT CASH THE REFUND > CHECK!!!*** > >Throw it away!! Points are not assessed to your > license > >until all financial transactions are complete. If > you > do not cash the > >check, then the transactions are NOT complete. > However, the system has > >gotten > >its money and is happy and will not bother you any > more. This > information > >came > >to our attention from a very reliable computer > company that sets up > the > >standard database used by each states' DMV. > > > >Good luck and share this with all your friends and > other family > members, > >as > >well!!! > > > >Ticket Enforcement Division > > > >Jocelyn G. Viray Basmayor > >Administrative Assistant II > >San Diego Unified Port District > >Corporate Services > >619) 686-6574 Office > >619) 686-6555 Fax __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 08:06:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3102.mail.yahoo.com (web3102.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.187]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e73C6D822154 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000803120605.6306.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3102.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 05:06:05 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 05:06:05 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: FW: If you get a ticket... To: Matthew Ehlert , continuum_68@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Matthew Ehlert wrote: > Here you go Mr improv (got this from cindy)....thought > you like to read it since you have been getting sooo > many tickets this summer!:)))) well that's of course > if you want to plead guilty!! this has been proven an Urban Legend. I don't have the link but you should be able to find it on www.urbanlegends.com Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 10:39:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73EdU825748 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008031439.e73EdU825748@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 3.32.84522d3 (15877); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web47.aolmail.aol.com (web47.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.8]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 10:39:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 10:39:18 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Selling N-100 Helmet To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Erik, I have one of those and they are a slightly different fit than the Shoei's. I like it though. It just took me a little getting used to the chin bar being so close to my chin. I suggest you take a ride out to Coleman/Poweride and try them on for a while. I know, I don't like Coleman's as far as service goes but, they have a great accessory department and a good selection of helmets. That's where I bought mine from. Try on an XL and wear it around the store for a few minutes. You won't be sorry. Scooter In a message dated Wed, 2 Aug 2000 9:00:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eschelzig@XXXXXX writes: << Folks, I have a new large Nolan N-100 flip top (retractable full-face) helmet that I would be willing to part ways with for $125. I just had it delivered this past Monday, but have decided that my head is either expanding, or the helmet is a different shape that I wear with my Shoei. I can wear it, but it's a little tight, and after my 30-40 minute commute it just feels all the tighter. The $125 I'd ask for it is the price charged by the place I bought it from, and I'd be willing to eat the shipping costs (~$11), and start the new helmet search over. I really like the idea of the flip up, and it's been really nice to ride half-shell style through my neighborhood or when filling up my gas tank. Come to think of it, I might just get the thing in XL if the place I bought it from still has any on clearance. Rider Wearhouse charges $180 for 'em, and other catalogue, online places want $200+. If you're interested drop a line via this email address (eschelzig@XXXXXX). My office is down town 17th and I, and the helmet is silver. For details about the N-100, see Nolan's Web site at http://www.nolan.it. Again, the particulars, N-100 Large Silver $125 Bests, Erik >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 10:47:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73Elp825922 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8S3HH3>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:46:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Selling N-100 Helmet Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:46:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Don't get me wrong: I really like the N-100 helmet. I think I just mis-measured my head (something about using a ruler didn't seem quite right at the time . . .). It just sits on my the crown of my head a little too tightly, especially after about a half hour or so. I love the fact that you can pull it open when you're sitting in foot-dragging traffic, or when you want to talk to somebody without taking your helmet off. I think I could try to break it in, but that might be more trouble than it's worth. So I'm selling it and looking for another good deal. My old Shoei still does the job, but it's getting kind of battered after three years. Bests, Erik 1981 SX650 -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 10:39 AM To: eschelzig@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Selling N-100 Helmet Erik, I have one of those and they are a slightly different fit than the Shoei's. I like it though. It just took me a little getting used to the chin bar being so close to my chin. I suggest you take a ride out to Coleman/Poweride and try them on for a while. I know, I don't like Coleman's as far as service goes but, they have a great accessory department and a good selection of helmets. That's where I bought mine from. Try on an XL and wear it around the store for a few minutes. You won't be sorry. Scooter In a message dated Wed, 2 Aug 2000 9:00:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eschelzig@XXXXXX writes: << Folks, I have a new large Nolan N-100 flip top (retractable full-face) helmet that I would be willing to part ways with for $125. I just had it delivered this past Monday, but have decided that my head is either expanding, or the helmet is a different shape that I wear with my Shoei. I can wear it, but it's a little tight, and after my 30-40 minute commute it just feels all the tighter. The $125 I'd ask for it is the price charged by the place I bought it from, and I'd be willing to eat the shipping costs (~$11), and start the new helmet search over. I really like the idea of the flip up, and it's been really nice to ride half-shell style through my neighborhood or when filling up my gas tank. Come to think of it, I might just get the thing in XL if the place I bought it from still has any on clearance. Rider Wearhouse charges $180 for 'em, and other catalogue, online places want $200+. If you're interested drop a line via this email address (eschelzig@XXXXXX). My office is down town 17th and I, and the helmet is silver. For details about the N-100, see Nolan's Web site at http://www.nolan.it. Again, the particulars, N-100 Large Silver $125 Bests, Erik >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 11:20:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e73FKl826514 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20188 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2000 15:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2000 15:21:33 -0000 Message-ID: <39898D9F.57CBDC8F@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:19:59 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Selling N-100 Helmet References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > > Don't get me wrong: I really like the N-100 helmet. I think I just > mis-measured my head (something about using a ruler didn't seem quite right > at the time . . .). It just sits on my the crown of my head a little too > tightly, especially after about a half hour or so. Erik, Yeah, I had quite a bit of discomfort with my Size L Nolan, it put a lot of pressure right in the center of my forehead, while being aggravatingly loose back around the sides. I loved the helmet's features, though, and inserted some bicycle helmet pads in strategic locations to make things fit a little better. I'll probably go with an XL on my next one (I don't see any reasonably-priced alternatives any time soon), so you are probably doing the smart thing by moving up now. Good luck! The Nolan is a great helmet, and this is a super deal. Someone will jump on it quickly, I think. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 11:29:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e73FT0826608 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27984 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2000 15:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2000 15:29:50 -0000 Message-ID: <39898F88.6C91961D@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:28:08 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Selling N-100 Helmet References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > The $125 I'd ask for it is the price charged by the place I bought it from, > and I'd be willing to eat the shipping costs (~$11), and start the new > helmet search over. Erik, Oh yeah, forgot to ask, where'd you find Nolan N100s for sale for $125 plus shipping? That's a fantastic price... Dale (might be getting one, too) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 12:03:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73G3C827221 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:05:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:05:07 -0400 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anyone else in Alexandria pee-ohed about this? Crash > -----Original Message----- > From: Smith, Steven > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:03 PM > To: 'complaints-enf@XXXXXX' > Cc: 'affiliate@XXXXXX' > Subject: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider > Importance: High > > To Whom It May Concern: > > I am writing to complain about scheduled programming that has been and > will continue to be pre-empted by my cable television provider, ComCast of > Alexandria, Virginia. On Sundays evenings, baseball games announced in > Spanish are being shown on the channel (39) usually reserved for > Speedvision, rather than the motorcycle races and motorcycling-related > programs which have been scheduled. I have attempted to contact the > programming department at ComCast (formerly Jones Intercable) on four > occasions. Each time the telephone was answered by a recorded message. > Each time I left my name and telephone number, as well as the reason I > called. None of my calls (on July 24 I attempted to contact Mr. Derek > Lymus at 703-567-4486, on July 31 and August 1 I attempted to contact Mr. > Harold Sweet at 703-567-4490, on August 3 I attempted to contact Mr. Jerry > O'Connor through reception at 703-567-4400) have been returned. > > The motorcycle racing season is very short and the number of premier races > held by the American Motorcyclist Association, Formula Extreme, and the > International Federation of Motorcyclists is not large. To pre-empt these > races with redundant broadcasts of baseball games announced in Spanish is > unacceptable. Especially since I was never informed by ComCast that these > scheduling changes would take place before I contracted for their service. > > Your attention to this matter would be greatly appreciated. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 12:07:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73G7V827300 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03436; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 2000080312072241:70774 ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:07:22 -0400 Message-ID: <39899940.B29B3B0D@mitretek.org> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:09:36 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Meyer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? References: <4.1.20000802150947.00a1ea10@intertv.com> <39889AF7.B4D95926@cox.rr.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/03/2000 12:07:22 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/03/2000 12:07:23 PM, Serialize complete at 08/03/2000 12:07:23 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yippee! Party! The 23rd is better for me, as I'll be in beautiful Fenway Park the weekend of the 9th, watching my future husband, Pedro, kick some Yankee ass! :-) Larry Meyer wrote: > Sounds good - I'd prefer Sept 9th or 23rd. > > Larry Meyer > Annandale, VA > 1997 Bandit 1200 > > Jeannette Zell wrote: > > > Tom & I were talking about hosting another DC Cycles party around mid to > > late September. > > Anyone up for it? Any ideas for dates? Are there some weekends most > > people will be out of town? > > We'd like to have it on a Saturday night so no one has to go to work the > > next day... : ) > > We live in Arlington, to give everyone an idea where they'd have to travel > > to... > > Who's up for it? > > When's good for everyone? > > > > - Jeannette > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 12:10:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73GAU827323 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id k.7e.876aae8 (4328); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:10:13 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7e.876aae8.26baf364@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:10:12 EDT Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider To: ssmith@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 8/3/00 12:05:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ssmith@XXXXXX writes: > Anyone else in Alexandria pee-ohed about this? I gave up on dealing with cable companies 5 years ago and have never looked back. DirecTV rocks... plain and simple. They did the same thing in Loudoun to speedvision - they cut it off at like 9pm and play the Playboy channel or something - a buddy out there was REALLY pissed. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 12:17:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73GH0827492 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:17:04 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062FC2@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Kristina M. Rogish'" , Larry Meyer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:07:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain 23rd looks good here > -----Original Message----- > From: Kristina M. Rogish [SMTP:krogish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:10 PM > To: Larry Meyer > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? > > Yippee! Party! > The 23rd is better for me, as I'll be in beautiful Fenway Park the weekend > of > the 9th, watching my future husband, Pedro, kick some Yankee ass! :-) > > > Larry Meyer wrote: > > > Sounds good - I'd prefer Sept 9th or 23rd. > > > > Larry Meyer > > Annandale, VA > > 1997 Bandit 1200 > > > > Jeannette Zell wrote: > > > > > Tom & I were talking about hosting another DC Cycles party around mid > to > > > late September. > > > Anyone up for it? Any ideas for dates? Are there some weekends most > > > people will be out of town? > > > We'd like to have it on a Saturday night so no one has to go to work > the > > > next day... : ) > > > We live in Arlington, to give everyone an idea where they'd have to > travel > > > to... > > > Who's up for it? > > > When's good for everyone? > > > > > > - Jeannette > > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 12:17:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e73GHD827503 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000803161654.2963.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:16:54 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:16:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Paging Adam To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hey Adam... give me an email or call me (cell 703 625 2023).... never got your new email address since you defected from ASD inc.... playing some billiards tonight. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 12:17:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73GHk827522 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:18:00 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062FC3@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'DCMotoCrew'" Subject: Bike Night is Tuesday! Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:08:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Bike Night this Tueday at Grevey's in Falls Chuch. BE THERE! http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ Mark aka Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 12:39:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73Gdf827887 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.37.8688301 (7359) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:39:29 -0400 (EDT) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <37.8688301.26bafa40@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:39:28 EDT Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 In a message dated 8/3/00 12:13:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BryanRoach@XXXXXX writes: > DirecTV rocks... plain and simple. > They did the same thing in Loudoun to speedvision - they cut it off at like > 9pm and play the Playboy channel or something I have DirecTV too, but I'd love it if they'd show the Playboy channel instead of their cheesy late night movies. Cheesy movies = bad naked girls = good Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 12:41:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73Gft827900 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA290885 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3989A0C6.6C4A03CA@radix.net> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:41:42 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Get a DSS system & the 18" dish and ditch that cable system. That was the absolute happiest day of my life ; calling the cable company & telling them bye bye ... well, maybe not THE happiest day, but you get the idea. Speedvision 24 x 7, not to mention that the Fox sports affiliates rebroadcast a lot of the Speedvision events... -- 'Satellite TV. It's not just for rich folks anymore.' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 "Smith, Steven" wrote: > > Anyone else in Alexandria pee-ohed about this? > > Crash > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Smith, Steven > > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:03 PM > > To: 'complaints-enf@XXXXXX' > > Cc: 'affiliate@XXXXXX' > > Subject: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider > > Importance: High > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > I am writing to complain about scheduled programming that has been and > > will continue to be pre-empted by my cable television provider, ComCast of > > Alexandria, Virginia. On Sundays evenings, baseball games announced in > > Spanish are being shown on the channel (39) usually reserved for > > Speedvision, rather than the motorcycle races and motorcycling-related > > programs which have been scheduled. I have attempted to contact the > > programming department at ComCast (formerly Jones Intercable) on four > > occasions. Each time the telephone was answered by a recorded message. > > Each time I left my name and telephone number, as well as the reason I > > called. None of my calls (on July 24 I attempted to contact Mr. Derek > > Lymus at 703-567-4486, on July 31 and August 1 I attempted to contact Mr. > > Harold Sweet at 703-567-4490, on August 3 I attempted to contact Mr. Jerry > > O'Connor through reception at 703-567-4400) have been returned. > > > > The motorcycle racing season is very short and the number of premier races > > held by the American Motorcyclist Association, Formula Extreme, and the > > International Federation of Motorcyclists is not large. To pre-empt these > > races with redundant broadcasts of baseball games announced in Spanish is > > unacceptable. Especially since I was never informed by ComCast that these > > scheduling changes would take place before I contracted for their service. > > > > Your attention to this matter would be greatly appreciated. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 13:00:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73Gxx828226 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e73H1E322231 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:01:14 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:00:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bffd6c$544eaa00$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <3989A0C6.6C4A03CA@radix.net> Importance: Normal http://www.dss4u.com/ Someone told me about this site, I haven't used it yet because I need to dynamite a couple of trees blocking the view from my apartment. Also, if you live in an apartment or housing association governed home, I "understand" (as in not legally binding advice :) ) that FCC guidelines prevent them from blocking your installation of such a dish UNLESS your neighborhood is covered as a historical site (my office in Georgetown). Cedric Get a DSS system & the 18" dish and ditch that cable system. That was the absolute happiest day of my life ; calling the cable company & telling them bye bye ... well, maybe not THE happiest day, but you get the idea. Speedvision 24 x 7, not to mention that the Fox sports affiliates rebroadcast a lot of the Speedvision events... -- 'Satellite TV. It's not just for rich folks anymore.' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 13:14:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73HEp828488 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA307898 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3989A877.9DF3A388@radix.net> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 13:14:31 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider References: <000f01bffd6c$544eaa00$770810ac@cedric> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > http://www.dss4u.com/ > Someone told me about this site, I haven't used it yet because I need to > dynamite a couple of trees blocking the view from my apartment. Also, if > you live in an apartment or housing association governed home, I > "understand" (as in not legally binding advice :) ) that FCC guidelines > prevent them from blocking your installation of such a dish UNLESS your > neighborhood is covered as a historical site (my office in Georgetown). That's correct, that would be the Federal Telecommunications Act (law) of 1996... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 13:25:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73HPO828676 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id y.f8.181390d (4328); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:24:49 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:24:48 EDT Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider To: bernescut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 8/3/00 1:02:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bernescut@XXXXXX writes: > Someone told me about this site, I haven't used it yet because I need to > dynamite a couple of trees blocking the view from my apartment. Also, if > you live in an apartment or housing association governed home, I > "understand" (as in not legally binding advice :) ) that FCC guidelines > prevent them from blocking your installation of such a dish UNLESS your > neighborhood is covered as a historical site (my office in Georgetown). If you are in a home with an association, they can't prohibit you from putting up a dish (or WHERE you put up a dish) - went to the state supreme court in VA last summer. They also can't prohibit you from putting up an arial (FYI). If you're in an apartment, they cannot prohibit you from having a dish, they *can* prohibit you from permanently affixing it to their structure - you basically have to either lash it to your balcony railing (using a mounting pole for support) or have it inside pointing out a window. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 14:34:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73IYs800294 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.11] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:34:23 -0700 Received: from navieg1 ([129.193.4.9]) by navieg3.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:35:24 0000 (GMT) Received: (from RESVA-MS6 [158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 61) with SMTP id M2000080311343931744 for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:34:39 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:33:53 -0400 Message-Id: <3989BB23.92883EF@trw.com> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:34:10 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kristina M. Rogish" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? References: <4.1.20000802150947.00a1ea10@intertv.com> <39889AF7.B4D95926@cox.rr.com> <39899940.B29B3B0D@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes!!! Another Red Sox fan crying out in rightious anger against the Yankee scourge! Let us all pray that Pedro brings down a rain of "K"s on the heads of the infidel! Oh, and the 23rd sounds good to me too. Randy "The Kid" Moran "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > Yippee! Party! > The 23rd is better for me, as I'll be in beautiful Fenway Park the weekend of > the 9th, watching my future husband, Pedro, kick some Yankee ass! :-) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 14:40:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73IeT800385 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:40:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: '00 SV650 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:40:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I thought these were rare as hen's teeth but Cycles Accessories in Gaithersburg has a used one for sale Dunno if it's a 99 or 00 "2000 SV650 blue, 600 miles, $4,500 Call Rock at 301-473-8026 Bike is in Frederick, MD This is not my bike so you'll need to call, not e-mail me." Suzuki GS 450 E: My 1980 ate another ignitor. I haven't found another ignitor for a reasonable price so I'm offering parts (real cheap) off of this one (barely 61,000 miles, dropped in DC traffic several times thus, has many custom features) Even unreasonable offers may be accepted. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 14:41:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73If0800395 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008031841.e73If0800395@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from Dsotm60273@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.15.77a3326 (15891) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web43.aolmail.aol.com (web43.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.4]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:40:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:40:47 EDT From: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX Subject: bike shops in DC? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Hi all, I've been in DC for a few months now and I need to get to a bike shop. Changed my oil about 2000 miles ago, need to do it again. Also could use some S100, etc. So does anyone know a good shop in the area that is open relatively late? I never get out of work before 4 (usually 5) and am in Arlington at work. Any ideas where I can go on the way home or after work? BTW I live on 17th st. Thanks, Tony 99 Superhawk From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 14:53:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73Irk800641 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-72.patriot.net [209.249.180.72]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e73Irf531942; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:53:41 -0400 Message-ID: <3989BDE1.C07CB0A9@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:45:54 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FGrefe@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider References: <37.8688301.26bafa40@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try Fairfax Co - NO speedvision and NO neked women. Of course one can pay extra $$$ for some of that, but methinks $50/mo is quite enough. Bill FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/3/00 12:13:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > BryanRoach@XXXXXX writes: > > > DirecTV rocks... plain and simple. > > They did the same thing in Loudoun to speedvision - they cut it off at > like > > 9pm and play the Playboy channel or something > > I have DirecTV too, but I'd love it if they'd show the Playboy channel > instead of their cheesy late night movies. > Cheesy movies = bad > naked girls = good > > Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 15:08:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f113.hotmail.com [209.185.131.176]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73J8W800900 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:08:24 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, bernescut@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:08:24 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2000 19:08:24.0574 (UTC) FILETIME=[329119E0:01BFFD7E] >If you are in a home with an association, they can't prohibit you from >putting up a dish (or WHERE you put up a dish) - went to the state supreme >court in VA last summer. They also can't prohibit you from putting up an >arial (FYI). > Almost true! I'm the VP of our homeoner's association in Virginia, and I also work with National Telecommunications and Information Administration here in the Department of Commerce. The law governing this is the (Federal) Communications Act of 1996. Under this law a homeowners association (or state or local government) can (and we do) regulate how and where you put up such a dish and antenna, but such association regulations cannot make it impossible for you to receive a good signal. We have prohibited such antennas from being put on the front facade of all houses in our association. So far nobody has successfully claimed that the only place they could get a signal was if they put the thing on the front of the house (although several have tried!). But it also depends on the specific association's covenents -- some simply are so out of date or poorly written that its not clear exactly what they can regulate about home exterior fixtures, so the courts rule against the association and allows the homeowner to do whatever he wants. Bottom line here is that all this keeps the lawyers very busy! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 15:18:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73JIR801104 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-248-125.s379.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.248.125] helo=bigfoot.com) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13KQVb-0005Tp-00; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:18:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3989C57E.B163B236@bigfoot.com> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:18:22 -0400 From: vulgar_power X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: Matthew Ehlert , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: If you get a ticket... References: <20000803114710.11754.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't know about VA, but it doesn't work in Texas or Nebraska. Matter of fact, from what I've seen in various emails on other lists, it doesn't work anywhere. -j Y2K 750 A.C.E. Glenn Dysart wrote: > This is an old one and as far as I know it will NOT > work in VA. > > Glenn > > --- Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > Here you go Mr improv (got this from > > cindy)....thought > > you like to read it since you have been getting sooo > > many tickets this summer!:)))) well that's of > > course > > if you want to plead guilty!! > > > > >Hey, > > >Don't know if this will work, but it's worth a try! > > > > > > > > >Just thought I would share this with you, as you > > know I work in the > > ticket > > >enforcement division and in the course of my > > investigation into > > fines, > > >their > > >payment methods, and how points are assessed > > against > > drivers > > >licenses" we discovered something very > > interesting. > > If You Get A > > Traffic > > >Ticket, This has been tried and it works..... > > >I tried to send this to everyone I know. I know > > that > > for a fact this > > >works > > >so if you ever get in this situation, you have an > > out. We discovered > > that > > >this procedure works in every state. Read it and > > try > > it, you have > > nothing > > >to > > >lose but the points on your license. > > > > > >This is how it works: > > > > > >If you get a speeding ticket or went through a red > > light or whatever > > the > > >case may be, and you are going to get points on > > your > > license, then > > there > > >is a method to ensure that you DO NOT get any > > points. When you get > > your > > >fine, send in the check to pay for it and if the > > fine > > is say, $79, > > then > > >make the check out for $82 or some small amount > > over > > the fine. The > > system > > >will then have to send you back a check for the > > difference, > > >but here is the trick! ***DO NOT CASH THE REFUND > > CHECK!!!*** > > >Throw it away!! Points are not assessed to your > > license > > >until all financial transactions are complete. If > > you > > do not cash the > > >check, then the transactions are NOT complete. > > However, the system has > > >gotten > > >its money and is happy and will not bother you any > > more. This > > information > > >came > > >to our attention from a very reliable computer > > company that sets up > > the > > >standard database used by each states' DMV. > > > > > >Good luck and share this with all your friends and > > other family > > members, > > >as > > >well!!! > > > > > >Ticket Enforcement Division > > > > > >Jocelyn G. Viray Basmayor > > >Administrative Assistant II > > >San Diego Unified Port District > > >Corporate Services > > >619) 686-6574 Office > > >619) 686-6555 Fax > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 15:19:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73JJ1801124 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-248-125.s379.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.248.125] helo=bigfoot.com) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13KQWC-0005ZM-00; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:19:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3989C5A3.F78C8236@bigfoot.com> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:18:59 -0400 From: vulgar_power X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: Matthew Ehlert , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: If you get a ticket... References: <20000803114710.11754.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't know about VA, but it doesn't work in Texas or Nebraska. Matter of fact, from what I've seen in various emails on other lists, it doesn't work anywhere. -j Y2K 750 A.C.E. Glenn Dysart wrote: > This is an old one and as far as I know it will NOT > work in VA. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 15:26:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net [129.250.36.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73JQ0801206 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13KQct-0005MN-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:25:55 +0000 Received: from [209.70.174.26] (helo=david500) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13KQct-0004DJ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:25:55 +0000 Message-ID: <00ba01bffd80$f12c0b60$1aae46d1@bdanet.com> Reply-To: "Dave Cross" From: "Dave Cross" To: References: <37.8688301.26bafa40@aol.com> <3989BDE1.C07CB0A9@patriot.net> Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:28:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > Try Fairfax Co - NO speedvision and NO neked women. I have Speedvision in Fairfax County via Cox cable. The channel is shared with Outdoor Life Network (OLN) but it doesn't interfere with Tuesday's and Sunday's Motorcycle coverage. Once when they made the switch to OLN at 11:00PM on one Sunday's their clock got screwed up and it would switch over at about 10:50 or so, usually just before the start of the last lap of the GP races!! Nothing like watching a dramatic World GP race only to miss the last lap!! Picture Kenny Roberts Jr. battling with Alex Barros for the win only to be instantly and abruptly switched to shots of dolphins swimming in the ocean (nothing against dolphins of course). Needless to say I was pissed. The first time I figured it was a one time screw up, but after the second straight Sunday I called them and explained to them what they were doing and they fixed it before the next weekend. They wouldn't have known if I wouldn't have called them they said because a computer makes the switch. dave From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 15:29:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73JTL801327 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:26:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'DCCy'" Subject: FS: '83 V65 Magna Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:26:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Due to financial reasons, I'm selling my bike. I love it, love paying my bills more. I'm out of town on and off until August 21st. I'll put this in the post then. If anybody's interested, let me know. 1st $1,800 from a DC Cyclist or SabMaggot takes him. He needs someone who'll appreciate him. -Mark located in Woodbridge, VA (near DC) =========================================================================== For Sale: '83 Honda V65 Magna, blue 26,000 miles (8k since I bought it two years ago) What's wrong with it: both mufflers scratched, both front turn signal stalks cracked, seat leather split, shiny bit that covers light switch is gone, choke cable is sticky... What's right: pretty much everything else, considering it's 17 years old. D207s with lots of rubber left. Soft saddle bags. Runs great. original tool kit. Chilton's manual. 1 year old battery. Maintenance: had a complete tune up when I bought it, fluid and bad hoses replaced. Oil changed every 3k (due @ 27k). Price: $2,000 Mark Petty (703)494-5408 (home, before 9pm, please, got kids) (703)480-3071 (work) mpetty@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 15:58:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web1304.mail.yahoo.com (web1304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.154]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e73Jwe801970 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1190 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2000 19:58:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000803195837.1189.qmail@web1304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web1304.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:58:37 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:58:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Improv Subject: Re: FW: If you get a ticket... To: Matthew Ehlert Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Matt - you are really busting my chops....YOU KNOW for a fact i would never outright admit my guilt and pay more then the fine(or pay more taxes as I call it) and hope for the best. I am fighting everyone of my tickets! God bless America - ticketing me for 10mph over the limit. improv --- Matthew Ehlert wrote: > Here you go Mr improv (got this from > cindy)....thought > you like to read it since you have been getting sooo > many tickets this summer!:)))) well that's of > course > if you want to plead guilty!! > > >Hey, > >Don't know if this will work, but it's worth a try! > > > > > >Just thought I would share this with you, as you > know I work in the > ticket > >enforcement division and in the course of my > investigation into > fines, > >their > >payment methods, and how points are assessed > against > drivers > >licenses" we discovered something very > interesting. > If You Get A > Traffic > >Ticket, This has been tried and it works..... > >I tried to send this to everyone I know. I know > that > for a fact this > >works > >so if you ever get in this situation, you have an > out. We discovered > that > >this procedure works in every state. Read it and > try > it, you have > nothing > >to > >lose but the points on your license. > > > >This is how it works: > > > >If you get a speeding ticket or went through a red > light or whatever > the > >case may be, and you are going to get points on > your > license, then > there > >is a method to ensure that you DO NOT get any > points. When you get > your > >fine, send in the check to pay for it and if the > fine > is say, $79, > then > >make the check out for $82 or some small amount > over > the fine. The > system > >will then have to send you back a check for the > difference, > >but here is the trick! ***DO NOT CASH THE REFUND > CHECK!!!*** > >Throw it away!! Points are not assessed to your > license > >until all financial transactions are complete. If > you > do not cash the > >check, then the transactions are NOT complete. > However, the system has > >gotten > >its money and is happy and will not bother you any > more. This > information > >came > >to our attention from a very reliable computer > company that sets up > the > >standard database used by each states' DMV. > > > >Good luck and share this with all your friends and > other family > members, > >as > >well!!! > > > >Ticket Enforcement Division > > > >Jocelyn G. Viray Basmayor > >Administrative Assistant II > >San Diego Unified Port District > >Corporate Services > >619) 686-6574 Office > >619) 686-6555 Fax > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 17:23:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r19.mx.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73LNQ803717 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGerm@XXXXXX by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.5b.98147b6 (4443) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:23:03 -0400 (EDT) From: HGerm@XXXXXX Message-ID: <5b.98147b6.26bb3cb6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:23:02 EDT Subject: New Bike selection - Thanks, the list narrows! - Laura's fault! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 I'd like to start out by saying, this is all Laura's fault. I was perfectly content with my Valkyrie; until I had a brief chat with Laura. In a matter of seconds, she was able to convince me I was not as happy as I could be.... truth be known, I was already thinking of a new bike... but Laura pushed me over the edge :) The list VFR - VTR - Bandit - more help in selection requested. Thanks Off the LIST: The Hayabusa is off the list - so says my insurance company :) The GSX-R750 is off the list - so says my chiropractor :) The CBR-929 is off the list - so says my experience level/insurance company :) The R1 is off the list - see all the above - plus nobody has one :) On the LIST: The 1200 Bandit (2001) - hard to beat! Pros: 1. Meets all my requirements 2. Easy on the pocket 3. Insurance friendly :) 4. Everybody loves this bike Cons: 1. not at dealers yet :( 2. wanted more exotic styling 3. Perhaps something more "flickable" VTR1000 Pros: 1. Exotic 2. Can you say "torque"? 3. Nice styling, I'd look good on it :) 4. Good Ergos (for this type bike) 5. Easy on the pocket to buy. 6. My favorite dealer has it :) Cons: 1. Probably not as comfortable as the Bandit 2. Not as insurance friendly as the Bandit - but not as bad as the Hayabusa 3. More expensive than the Bandit VFR800 Pros: 1. Everyone LOVES this bike. 2. All day ERGO to be sure. Cons: 1. If a Bandit blew by me I'd be pissed, and back at the DEALER :) Input into the above list desired!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks! From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 17:26:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73LQi803763 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.74.1c8ec8d (4219) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:26:25 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <74.1c8ec8d.26bb3d81@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:26:25 EDT Subject: Weekend Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Since I only received 2 responses to the ride I offered to lead I'm canceling it. I'm not sure why no one is interested...maybe not enough people know me or it is just bad timing. Anyway I'll just try again another time. Just wanted to let all know it's been canceled... Steve From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 17:52:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73Lqd804372 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailserver1.crosslink.net (yeti.crosslink.net [206.246.124.17]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id RAA28881 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:52:25 -0400 X-Really-To: Received: from [128.38.92.18] (account ) by mailserver1.crosslink.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1) with HTTP id 16901334 for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:52:25 -0400 From: biga@XXXXXX (Andrew Culpepper) Subject: Re: Weekend Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:52:25 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74.1c8ec8d.26bb3d81@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Steve, A lot of us wait till the last minute to make decisions. I was trying to decide between the races at Summit or the ride. I was leaning towards the ride since only an endurance race is being run Saturday. Maybe there's still a chance? Andrew M-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$J. Andrew Culpepper King George, VA (540) 775-3984 '90 EX500 S-TRA# 100 MGNOC# 15488 On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:26:25 EDT SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > Since I only received 2 responses to the ride I offered to lead > I'm > canceling it. I'm not sure why no one is interested...maybe not > enough people > know me or it is just bad timing. > Anyway I'll just try again another time. Just wanted to let all > know it's > been canceled... > Steve From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 17:57:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73Lvq804498 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-211-163.s163.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.211.163] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13KSzs-0000Y1-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:57:48 -0400 Message-ID: <010c01bffd95$72783c20$a3d33ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <200008031841.e73If0800395@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: bike shops in DC? Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:25:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 My bike maintenance is largely a do-it-yourself operation, but when I outsource I go to Crossroads Cycle in Bailey's Crossroads. There are no bike shops in DC proper, at least none that I'm aware of. I have my wife follow me in the cage when I drop off the bike, so I don't know much about the public transit options in the Bailey's area. Maybe a bus once every half hour down Columbia Pike to the Pentagon Metro if you're lucky. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC (Capitol Hill) 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 2:40 PM Subject: bike shops in DC? > Hi all, > I've been in DC for a few months now and I need to get to a bike shop. Changed my oil about 2000 miles ago, need to do it again. Also could use some S100, etc. So does anyone know a good shop in the area that is open relatively late? I never get out of work before 4 (usually 5) and am in Arlington at work. Any ideas where I can go on the way home or after work? BTW I live on 17th st. > Thanks, > Tony > 99 Superhawk > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 17:58:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73LwR804520 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 3.f9.1818b76 (4219); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:57:40 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:57:39 EDT Subject: Re: Weekend Ride To: zbig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 zbig@XXXXXX writes: << Oh well, maybe it was not a ride, but a popularity contest :-). >> I'm sorry...if I'd have known you were interested I could have done something different. It has nothing to do with popularity...I just decided I would take my boys jet-skiing since only 2 were interested and try the ride another day so more could make it. I'll offer to lead another soon and do it no matter who shows, OK? :) Steve From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 18:40:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73Mdx805724 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-134-240.s494.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.134.240] helo=l4rite) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13KTeb-00066w-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:39:54 -0400 Message-ID: <053f01bffd9b$7ec10380$8a82a4d8@l4rite> From: "L4rite" To: References: Subject: Re: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:38:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider That is the reason I got DirectTV with the Sports package.....I get Speedvision and all of the regional sports channels....for $15 more than I paid for cable with no SV or movies...when I called the cable guys to cut my service, they sounded dejected a bit....but then again they have a million other customers so why would they worry about me....later Les From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 18:52:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e73Mq3805966 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28837 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2000 22:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (24.15.187.164) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2000 22:51:15 -0000 Message-ID: <3989F6FE.F60300@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:49:34 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: request: parking in dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Anyone happen to have a copy of that post about all the motorcycle-friendly parking areas in the District? I thought I had it stashed away somewhere, but evidently I don't... Much thanks, Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 21:51:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com (web5201.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e741ph809065 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000804015117.2766.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.86.113] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:51:17 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:51:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: going to the Sunday Races at Summit Point To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For any of you that want to join me.. I'm heading up to Summit Point Raceway, WV this Sunday. I need to know who's ready to join me and a few friends Sunday at my house at 10 a.m. So shoot me an email off list if you want me to look for you, otherwise..just show up! We can also swing by the Route 7 Burger King in Sterling if we need to pick anyone up on the way. I would estimate we could be there by 10:30 - 10:45 a.m. I'll swing by if I know someone wants to hook up with us, otherwise we'll glance over for some bikes and keep going if we don't see anyone. Where: My house, "Casa Insomnia" 3301 N. George Mason Dr. Arlington, VA 22207 Directions: >From DC: West on I-66, take Glebe Rd. exit and North (Right) on Glebe Rd. (cross over Lee Hwy.) continue to intersection of Glebe Rd. and Old Dominion Dr., Left on Old Dominion Dr., at the second traffic light take a Left on Williamsburg Blvd., 2nd left on N. George Mason Dr. - the house is 3301 N. George Mason Dr. on the left. >From Beltway: East on I-66, take North Fairfax Dr. exit, continue two 2nd light and Left (North) on Glebe Rd. (cross over Lee Hwy.) continue to intersection of Glebe Rd. and Old Dominion Dr., Left on Old Dominion Dr., at the second traffic light take a Left on Williamsburg Blvd., 2nd left on N. George Mason Dr. - the house is 3301 N. George Mason Dr. on the left. It's a good idea to: -bring $20 for admission -wear sunscreen/bring a cap or hat - there's very little shade -bring bottled water and maybe a lunch - they have a snack bar with limited fare though -rain gear optional but always a good idea - just in case. -Corbett '99 K1200RS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 01:52:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e745qd812781 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-239-40.s294.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.239.40]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13KaPM-00052u-00; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 01:52:37 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: HGerm@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Bike selection - Thanks, the list narrows! - Laura's fault! Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 08:56:15 GMT Message-ID: <398a8485.682937387@smtp.erols.com> References: <5b.98147b6.26bb3cb6@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <5b.98147b6.26bb3cb6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e745qx812782 On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:23:02 EDT, you wrote: |>The R1 is off the list - see all the above - plus nobody has one :) Oh well I knew of someone selling a 2000 R1 for $8500 (slightly used). what happened to considering the TL1000S ? It's got a sporty look and is supposed to have the same power as the TL1000. For a bike without plastic, it sure looks good. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 07:15:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74BFW818856 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-63.208.167.88.Washington2.Level3.net [63.208.167.88]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA20075 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 04:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: Subject: slip-ons Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:08:09 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bffe04$45d6e9e0$58a7d03f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01BFFDE2.BEC549E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000EBEB2A3CBD8FBF11BB392EC62A9E969A04312200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BFFDE2.BEC549E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Been wanting to get a set of slip-ons for my VTR1000. Oval carbon-fibre preferably, high-quality, performance enhancing, etc., as well as LOUD. I mean I want to piss off every neighbor I have. (not really, but you get the point.) I've been doing some calls and have reached the point of saying "jeez I just don't have the time to sort through all the different brands & models they offer within a realisitc timeframe (before winter)." I would appreciate any insight the list is willing to offer as to brands to focus on for my bike, and where is the best place to order them. anyone have any particularly good/bad experiences? Thanks. 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I have some space in the farmhouse I am renting and would like to cut down on expenses....2-3 bedrooms are available notes: very large yard large barn for bike storage, work CAC Potomac is quiet and convenient Frank Stallone would be your landlord, and he's in Fla. Each room is approx. $500/month -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 07:26:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74BQX818964 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id i.5b.98620f4 (3968); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:26:15 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <5b.98620f4.26bc0257@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:26:15 EDT Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider To: dhallis@XXXXXX, bernescut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 8/3/00 3:08:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dhallis@XXXXXX writes: > Bottom line here is that all this keeps > the lawyers very busy! Only because some people are anal enough to care where an 18" dish goes on someone else's house. Or what color their door is for that matter. Mine's smack dab on the front of mine... because that's where I wanted to put it. After being told that I was not "allowed" to put it there, I calmly explained that was fine, but that the association would need to provide someone who would climb onto my roof when it snowed to clean the dish (3 story townhouse) with a reasonable response time, and that my attourney would be glad to draw up a contract. Suddenly it was juuuusssst fine for me to have my dish where it was. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 09:13:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74DDq821084 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e74DDiS09234 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 06:13:45 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: RE: request: parking in dc Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:14:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bffe15$e3178140$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3989F6FE.F60300@flashmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I found Chris's old post (a 150 meg .pst file comes in handy sometimes!) Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA > " Everybody is somebody else's weirdo." I got this faxed to me from the DC Dept. of Public Works, Transportation Systems Administration, 14 January 1997. Not sure how current they all are. Chris Norloff ********************************************************************** Parking Tips: 1. When parked in spaces designed for their exclusive use, motorcycles must park in designated areas with rear wheel to the curb. 2. Metered parking is in effect during the hours posted. 3. No motorized vehicle without pedals shall park on islands or sidewalks. 4. Park one motorcycle per stall. 5. Most parking is metered for 12 hours, at 25 cents per hour. 6. Motorcycles may park in metered zones for automobiles providing the parking meter is paid. When parked in spaces designed for automobiles, motorcycles should park parallel to the curb. 800 block Vermont Ave, NW -- 23 spaces 800 block C St. SW -- 10 600 block Indiana Ave. NW -- 6 600 block G St. NW --6 200 block Independence Ave SE -- 9 600 block 2nd St. NW -- 10 spaces 2000 block T St NW -- 10 1300 block New York Ave NW -- 10 1700 block M St. NW -- 31 1400 block G St. NW -- 14 2100 block Eye St. NW -- 10 spaces 1800 block H St NW -- 16 2200 block E St NW -- 9 Unit block G St NW -- 8 1100 block Vermont Ave NW -- 10 1200 block New Hampshire Ave NW -- 20 spaces 1500 block 19th St NW -- 7 1700 block G St NW -- 11 2200 block F St NW -- 6 1400 block M St NW -- 6 300 block Eye St NW -- 14 spaces 600 block E St NW -- 6 900 block 15th St NW -- 12 1800 block Eye St NW -- 9 1300 block K St NW -- 9 1800 block Pennsylvania Ave NW -- 9 spaces 2000 block Florida Ave NW -- 10 300 block Virginia Ave SW -- 10 1800 block M St NW -- 24 1100 block Thomas Jefferson St NW -- 5 3000 block VanNess St NW -- 13 spaces 2500 block 6th St NW -- 10 -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 6:50 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: request: parking in dc Hey, Anyone happen to have a copy of that post about all the motorcycle-friendly parking areas in the District? I thought I had it stashed away somewhere, but evidently I don't... Much thanks, Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 09:32:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74DWu821755 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA14458; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:28:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , Subject: RE: slip-ons Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:32:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01BFFDF6.D8D9D580" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: In-Reply-To: <000a01bffe04$45d6e9e0$58a7d03f@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BFFDF6.D8D9D580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You'd be best to look at the VTR FAQ on www.sport-twin.com. You can search through previous posts by keyword or go to a specific area you're interested in. I also have a VTR, but haven't gone down the slip-on road yet. I (and Todd Peer did this too I think) have done a "bafflectomy" on my stock pipes for a much-improved sound. This is simply taking a pair of hole saws to the small back plate of the pipes and pulling out the rearmost internal pipe. I can detail this for you if you like, and there are lots of resources on the net about doing this to a VTR >From what I've heard, the most common slip-ons for VTRs are Two Brothers Racing (TBR). They offer a lot of options (carbon fiber, kevlar, carbon-kevlar combo, aluminum, high mount, low mount etc) for VTRs and you can get them through their website at www.two-bros.com. A common pipe for the VTR is also Jardine. They offer a nice high-mount option which allows you to keep the passenger pegs, IIRC. The Jardines have a reputation for not making any more power than the stock pipes, however. You'll probably get 3-4 hp out of most other pipes, which is IMO not significant enough to make a difference. MiG also offers high-mounts (if that's what you're after) that look really good. If you want LOUD, MiG is the way to go, or so I've heard. Two Brothers is middle-of-the-road, as are the Jardines. If you want to write me with other brands that I may have heard about, feel free. I would recommend www.braincell.com/kiernan (Kiernan Racing Supplies) for a good, cheap mail-order company. They've done well by me in the past in terms of price, service and quick turn-around. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Big Matty [mailto:vtrman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 4:08 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: slip-ons > > Been wanting to get a set of slip-ons for my VTR1000. Oval carbon-fibre > preferably, high-quality, performance enhancing, etc., as well as LOUD. I > mean I want to piss off every neighbor I have. 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dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: slip-ons References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is hilarious - and you guys rank on Harleys for loud pipes? But never fear - your local drugstore sells earplugs. Bill Christopher Weaver wrote: > You'd be best to look at the VTR FAQ on www.sport-twin.com. You can search > through previous posts by keyword or go to a specific area you're interested > in. I also have a VTR, but haven't gone down the slip-on road yet. > > I (and Todd Peer did this too I think) have done a "bafflectomy" on my stock > pipes for a much-improved sound. This is simply taking a pair of hole saws > to the small back plate of the pipes and pulling out the rearmost internal > pipe. I can detail this for you if you like, and there are lots of resources > on the net about doing this to a VTR > > >From what I've heard, the most common slip-ons for VTRs are Two Brothers > Racing (TBR). They offer a lot of options (carbon fiber, kevlar, > carbon-kevlar combo, aluminum, high mount, low mount etc) for VTRs and you > can get them through their website at www.two-bros.com. A common pipe for > the VTR is also Jardine. They offer a nice high-mount option which allows > you to keep the passenger pegs, IIRC. The Jardines have a reputation for not > making any more power than the stock pipes, however. You'll probably get 3-4 > hp out of most other pipes, which is IMO not significant enough to make a > difference. MiG also offers high-mounts (if that's what you're after) that > look really good. If you want LOUD, MiG is the way to go, or so I've heard. > Two Brothers is middle-of-the-road, as are the Jardines. > > If you want to write me with other brands that I may have heard about, feel > free. > > I would recommend www.braincell.com/kiernan (Kiernan Racing Supplies) for a > good, cheap mail-order company. They've done well by me in the past in terms > of price, service and quick turn-around. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Big Matty [mailto:vtrman@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 4:08 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: slip-ons > > > > Been wanting to get a set of slip-ons for my VTR1000. Oval carbon-fibre > > preferably, high-quality, performance enhancing, etc., as well as LOUD. I > > mean I want to piss off every neighbor I have. (not really, but you get > > the point.) > > > > I've been doing some calls and have reached the point of saying "jeez I > > just don't have the time to sort through all the different brands & models > > they offer within a realisitc timeframe (before winter)." > > > > I would appreciate any insight the list is willing to offer as to brands > > to focus on for my bike, and where is the best place to order them. > > anyone have any particularly good/bad experiences? > > > > Thanks. > > Matt > > > > Matt Pflieger > > vtrman@XXXXXX > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Name: winmail.dat > winmail.dat Type: WordPerfect Document (6.1) File (application/x-unknown-content-type-WPWin6.1File) > Encoding: base64 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 10:00:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74E0X822697 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA14724; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:55:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Bill Huson" , Subject: RE: slip-ons Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:59:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <398AC92E.D0B87C2C@patriot.net> No worries, Bill. The loudest pipes I've ever heard on a VTR are no match for any of the Harleys I heard at last year's Rolling Thunder. I've actually put stock pipes back on my bike because I've decided I prefer it a bit quieter than the bafflectomy or aftermarket slip-ons (especially for long trips like the one I have planned). Don't call us hypocrites until you hear the difference between our definition of "loud" and that of the average Harley enthusiast. :^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 6:46 AM To: Christopher Weaver Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: slip-ons This is hilarious - and you guys rank on Harleys for loud pipes? But never fear - your local drugstore sells earplugs. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 10:07:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74E6w822948 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-28.patriot.net [209.249.181.28]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e74E6q505690; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:06:53 -0400 Message-ID: <398ACC27.603894AB@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:59:03 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Weaver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: slip-ons References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have heard loud - the only real differance is the pitch. Decibals are about the same on a breathed jap-o-scoot, but the pitch is higher. Anything above 80db is against the wishes of the DOT. The ticket would read the same regardless of the marque. Bill stealth pipe harley rider Christopher Weaver wrote: > No worries, Bill. The loudest pipes I've ever heard on a VTR are no match > for any of the Harleys I heard at last year's Rolling Thunder. I've actually > put stock pipes back on my bike because I've decided I prefer it a bit > quieter than the bafflectomy or aftermarket slip-ons (especially for long > trips like the one I have planned). > > Don't call us hypocrites until you hear the difference between our > definition of "loud" and that of the average Harley enthusiast. :^) > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 6:46 AM > To: Christopher Weaver > Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: slip-ons > > This is hilarious - and you guys rank on Harleys for loud pipes? > But never fear - your local drugstore sells earplugs. > > Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 10:14:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74EEv823277 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA14882; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:10:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Bill Huson" Cc: Subject: RE: slip-ons Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:13:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <398ACC27.603894AB@patriot.net> Bill, A VTR is a twin, not a screaming four-banger like Ninjas, CBRs etc. It sounds a bit like a muted Harley (slightly different pitch) revving a little faster. I agree that some of those bikes have irritatingly loud pipes. You sound a little defensive for someone with quiet pipes. ;^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 6:59 AM To: Christopher Weaver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: slip-ons I have heard loud - the only real differance is the pitch. Decibals are about the same on a breathed jap-o-scoot, but the pitch is higher. Anything above 80db is against the wishes of the DOT. The ticket would read the same regardless of the marque. Bill stealth pipe harley rider From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 10:21:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f15.hotmail.com [209.185.131.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74ELj823441 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:21:37 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend Ride Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:21:37 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2000 14:21:37.0373 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CB058D0:01BFFE1F] Well is ANYBODY up for a ride this weekend????? Even if Steve isn't up for leading a ride, we can try to put one together with a different meeting spot, say the gas station where Rt 55 and 15 meet in Haymarket tomorrow am? For a few hours.... I've got a couple of routes that we can try.... >From: biga@XXXXXX (Andrew Culpepper) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Weekend Ride >Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:52:25 -0400 > >Hi Steve, > A lot of us wait till the last minute to make decisions. I was >trying to decide between the races at Summit or the ride. I was >leaning towards the ride since only an endurance race is being run >Saturday. Maybe there's still a chance? > >Andrew > >M-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$J. >Andrew Culpepper King George, VA (540) 775-3984 >'90 EX500 S-TRA# 100 MGNOC# 15488 > >On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:26:25 EDT > SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > > Since I only received 2 responses to the ride I offered to lead > > I'm > > canceling it. I'm not sure why no one is interested...maybe not > > enough people > > know me or it is just bad timing. > > Anyway I'll just try again another time. Just wanted to let all > > know it's > > been canceled... > > Steve > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 11:28:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74FSp825070 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA19656 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000804112717.00a0e590@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:30:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: DC Cycles Party Date Set! In-Reply-To: References: <74.1c8ec8d.26bb3d81@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Seems like the most people can make it on September 23, so that's when we'll have it. We'll start around 5PM and if it's warm enough we'll be grilling burgers & such... Directions to follow. There will be some beer & wine, some munchies & such, but feel free to bring anything else! We won't turn down free food, alcohol, etc... Feel free to bring along friends, SOs, etc.. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 11:44:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74Fi4825354 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.17.93d9b03 (4553) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:43:54 -0400 (EDT) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <17.93d9b03.26bc3eba@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:43:54 EDT Subject: Re: Weekend Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 In a message dated 08/04/2000 10:23:24 Eastern Daylight Time, dhallis@XXXXXX writes: << Well is ANYBODY up for a ride this weekend???? >> My weekend plans just got cancelled so I'm probably going to go on a tour of WVA starting Saturday morning (8am) from Manassas. No route set yet, but I may stay overnight and continue riding on Sunday. E-mail me off line if you are interested in going with me. I won't be able to answer any emails until 4 or 5 this afternoon. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 12:00:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74G0X825690 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20356 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:49:28 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.92) with SMTP id MAA30200 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:00:24 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256931.0057EC53 ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:00:21 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256931.005784D4.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:55:53 -0400 Subject: FW: Vulcan 800 FS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Tell him you heard it from me, and I get money. :) I believe the bike is about a year old. Keith writes... >The bike is good condition. I am selling it as I don't like to leave it >outside and want to start saving for a Harley. The asking price is $4500. >Full details can be found at http://www.robertory.com/bike.htm. > > >Thanks, >Keith > >------------------------------ >Keith Robertory >keith@XXXXXX Thanks, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '58 / '65 Triton "kit" http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 12:19:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74GJ0825943 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8S32N9>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:17:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Road trip to Atlantic City Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:17:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" By chance I will probably be riding a late model Harley Davidson to Atlantic City and back this weekend (don't ask why). Anybody have any favorite roads, restaurants, etc. along the way? I'd be glad to hear 'em as soon as possible (i.e. before 5pm tonight) so I can plan the short-notice trip. Looking forward to responses! Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 12:39:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74GdF826282 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008041639.e74GdF826282@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id m.c0.7609f75 (15883); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web29.aolmail.aol.com (web29.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.5]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:38:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:38:43 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike shops in DC? To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown I'll have to swing by this place and check it out but, there is a shop on 13th and N, NW. It's listed as a dealer. I'll let you know. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 3 Aug 2000 6:00:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Paul A. Wilson" writes: << My bike maintenance is largely a do-it-yourself operation, but when I outsource I go to Crossroads Cycle in Bailey's Crossroads. There are no bike shops in DC proper, at least none that I'm aware of. I have my wife follow me in the cage when I drop off the bike, so I don't know much about the public transit options in the Bailey's area. Maybe a bus once every half hour down Columbia Pike to the Pentagon Metro if you're lucky. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC (Capitol Hill) 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 2:40 PM Subject: bike shops in DC? > Hi all, > I've been in DC for a few months now and I need to get to a bike shop. Changed my oil about 2000 miles ago, need to do it again. Also could use some S100, etc. So does anyone know a good shop in the area that is open relatively late? I never get out of work before 4 (usually 5) and am in Arlington at work. Any ideas where I can go on the way home or after work? BTW I live on 17th st. > Thanks, > Tony > 99 Superhawk > >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 12:40:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e74Gej826289 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO ltannernt) (162.70.165.62) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2000 16:29:41 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <00ee01bffe31$2f0ff210$3ea546a2@amsinc.com> From: "Lin_Tan" To: Subject: Who's racing this weekend? Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:53:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Any of the stalwart DC-Cycles racers racing this weekend? I might be going up on Sunday and would like to have someone to cheer on. LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 12:41:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74Gf1826291 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008041641.e74Gf1826291@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id l.c1.5bb0d9a (15879); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web35.aolmail.aol.com (web35.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.11]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:40:24 2000 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:40:23 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: request: parking in dc To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown I've got it somewhere on my computer at home but, by then you'll probably have gotten it from someone else. Let me know if you don't. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 3 Aug 2000 6:53:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dale Horstman writes: << Hey, Anyone happen to have a copy of that post about all the motorcycle-friendly parking areas in the District? I thought I had it stashed away somewhere, but evidently I don't... Much thanks, Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 13:49:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74Hnk828118 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:49:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'horkster@XXXXXX'" , "'DCCy'" Subject: request: parking in dc Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:49:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Updated (by me) as of July Corrections appreciated: Parking Tips: 1. When parked in spaces designed for their exclusive use, motorcycles must park in designated areas with rear wheel to the curb. 2. Metered parking is in effect during the hours posted. 3. No motorized vehicle without pedals shall park on islands or sidewalks. ($50!! BTDT) 4. Park one motorcycle per stall. 5. Most parking is metered for 4 hours, at 25 cents per hour. 6. Motorcycles may park in metered zones for automobiles providing the parking meter is paid. When parked in spaces designed for automobiles, motorcycles should park parallel to the curb. 300 block Eye St NW -- 14 spaces 800 block Vermont Ave, NW -- 23 spaces (meters more expensive) 600 block Indiana Ave. NW -- 6 (In the shade, next to 6th) 600 block E St NW -- 6 (Not marked, no meters) 600 block G St. NW --6 (Not there anymore??) 600 block 2nd St. NW -- 10 spaces 2000 block T St NW -- 10 1300 block New York Ave NW -- 10 1700 block M St. NW -- 31 1400 block G St. NW -- 14 2100 block Eye St. NW -- 10 spaces 1800 block H St NW -- 16 (shaded) 2200 block E St NW -- 9 1100 block Vermont Ave NW -- 10 Unit block G St NW -- 8 (On the south side of G St. immediately west of North Capitol. No meters, just a sign that says Motorcycle parking. LB) 1200 block New Hampshire Ave NW -- 20 spaces 1500 block 19th St NW -- 7 1700 block G St NW -- 11 2200 block F St NW -- 6 1400 block M St NW -- 6 900 block 15th St NW -- 12 1800 block Eye St NW -- 9 1300 block K St NW -- 9 (Next to 14th, shaded from noon sun; where the elite parque) 1800 block Pennsylvania Ave NW -- 9 spaces 2000 block Florida Ave NW -- 10 1800 block M St NW -- 24 1100 block Thomas Jefferson St NW -- 5 3000 block VanNess St NW -- 13 spaces 2500 block 6th St NW -- 10 200 block Independence Ave SE -- 9 300 block Virginia Ave SW -- 10 800 block C St. SW -- 10 Some might find this useful: There is free motorcycle parking (no meter heads) on C, SW between 12th & 14 behind USDA. In the USDA parking lot on Independence close to 12th On the SW side of the Humphrey building (200 Independence?) the Humphrey building (Independence Ave, SW) has free MC parking on the sidewalk/patio and is sort of covered (there's a roof way up high). It's on the SW side of the building (KR) From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 13:52:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74Hqj828203 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-172.patriot.net [209.249.180.172]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e74HqQZ06719; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:52:26 -0400 Message-ID: <398B0106.6C3B6551@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:44:38 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Road trip to Atlantic City References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, you could stop off at the Harley Diner/showroom/museum on this sdie of the DE bridge. Bill eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > By chance I will probably be riding a late model Harley Davidson to Atlantic > City and back this weekend (don't ask why). Anybody have any favorite > roads, restaurants, etc. along the way? I'd be glad to hear 'em as soon as > possible (i.e. before 5pm tonight) so I can plan the short-notice trip. > > Looking forward to responses! > > Bests, > > Erik From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 13:56:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74HuA828218 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA21752 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25458 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11527 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:55:54 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000804135253.00c9d690@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:55:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Pedestrian Rage / Moto stats Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36896-2000Aug4.html Very interesting. I also found a stat posted on the VFR list interesting. http://www.bellonaracing.com/forms/mcquide.htm "The latest available statistics show that around 2,500 motorcyclists die every year in accidents nationwide. Taken broadly, that's not a lot of people. Far more die in cars, of cancer, or of other causes. For that reason, this number is not statistically significant enough to allow the commitment of resources adequate to reduce it. But if you're a motorcyclist, this number is very significant. According to current statistics, a motorcyclist is 14 times more likely to be killed in an accident than a motorist. And though motorcyclists represent only a small percentage of registered vehicles (around 2 percent), they represent over 5 percent of traffic fatalities. Further, most motorcyclists are killed when they impact a stationary object, such as a light pole, boulder, building, or bridge abutment. In other words, most of these accidents are NOT a result of a left-turning automobile or of another vehicle crossing the centerline or making contact with the motorcycle. Thus, these statistics seem to clearly demonstrate that it is rider error which leads to most accidents." ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 14:11:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74IBl828573 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-172.patriot.net [209.249.180.172]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e74IBfZ09504; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:11:42 -0400 Message-ID: <398B0589.79EF15F4@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:03:54 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Weaver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: slip-ons References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does a VTR have OHCs? One reason it could crank the Rs. H-Ds redline at 5500. Nah, just having fun. When I bought the previously owned garage queen harley - 5 years and 4K miles - it had blaster pipes. In the interest of saving nearby house windows I swapped them for baffled pipes, and after one trio I packed the damn pipes with glass in the interest of saving my eardrums. The hard core H-D guys won't let hang with them anymore :-) I did have a UJM with a bit of baffle coring - not to loud, and I had a POS Honda idestructable twin with straight pipes. My women liked that. She could hear me fire it up two miles away and had plenty of time to get her boyfriend outta the house. Bill Christopher Weaver wrote: > Bill, > > A VTR is a twin, not a screaming four-banger like Ninjas, CBRs etc. It > sounds a bit like a muted Harley (slightly different pitch) revving a little > faster. I agree that some of those bikes have irritatingly loud pipes. > > You sound a little defensive for someone with quiet pipes. ;^) > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 6:59 AM > To: Christopher Weaver > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: slip-ons > > I have heard loud - the only real differance is the pitch. Decibals are > about > the same on a breathed jap-o-scoot, but the pitch is higher. Anything above > 80db is against the wishes of the DOT. The ticket would read the same > regardless of the marque. > > Bill > stealth pipe harley rider From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 14:20:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74IKt828838 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21827 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA26092 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA23502; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000804142102.00a07710@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:22:04 -0400 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Pedestrian Rage / Moto stats In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000804135253.00c9d690@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From the article, this is my favorite type of pedestrian: "dawdle in intersections with cell phones attached to heads and engage in other actions to illegally impede traffic." - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 14:33:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74IXS829024 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-48.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.176]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA30475; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <398B37ED.188C7B54@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:38:53 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vtrman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: slip-ons References: <000a01bffe04$45d6e9e0$58a7d03f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt, I'm not a VTR owner/expert and would certainly defer to the likes of Todd Peer, Chris Weaver, and other who actually own VTRs for their first-hand experiences/opinions. Nonetheless, here's my 2 cents! %^) I like my Yosh RS-3 oval can (full exhaust) on my '93 GSXR-750. Definitely a power increase (with proper jetting) and, for me, just the right sound. Loud, but not obnoxiously so. I'm pretty sure Yosh makes an RS-3 slip-on for the VTR (probably a high mount too, if that's what you want) in an oval carbon can. I've not heard, but love the looks of the Staintune slip-ons, which I think are high mount and retain the passenger pegs. But they're aluminum and don't know if they're oval. I will second Chris' motion and say that I've had very good experience dealing with Kevin at Kiernen Racing Supplies (where I got my Yosh RS-3 full exhaust). I price-shopped all the catalogs and a lot of the online places and Kevin beat their prices (without me giving him a number to shoot for). Cheers, Chuck Big Matty wrote : > > Been wanting to get a set of slip-ons for my VTR1000. Oval carbon-fibre > preferably, high-quality, performance enhancing, etc., as well as LOUD. I > mean I want to piss off every neighbor I have. (not really, but you get the > point.) From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 15:25:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74JPs829891 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:25:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200008041525.AA154075524@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "Custer, Carl" CC: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: request: parking in dc X-Mailer: Thanks for the update! Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Custer, Carl" Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:49:30 -0400 >Updated (by me) as of July >Corrections appreciated: >Parking Tips: From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 15:27:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f20.hotmail.com [209.185.131.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74JRD829965 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:27:05 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:27:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2000 19:27:05.0197 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8EC59D0:01BFFE49] Any DC area bikers that want to ride tomorrow am out Rt 55 towards Front Royal and beyond, plan on meeting at Rt 55 and 15 cross road near Haymarket... at big gas station (Sheetz?) at 9:00. Anyone interested pls e-mail me so I get an idea of how many we got... We'll go out past Front Royal and back 211 on a route my wife and I have taken a few times. Thanks Doug Allis DHAllis@XXXXXX ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 16:00:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74K0O800740 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA22321 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA28686 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11881 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:00:20 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000804155944.00ca0c00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:00:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Another cool story Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://cbsnews.cbs.com/now/story/0,1597,220959-412,00.shtml Cell Phones Ring Up Rage 10 Million Cell Phone Users In U.S., Survey Says Cell-Phone Free Zones Springing Up All Over Doctors Documenting Cases of Cell-Phone Rage ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org It is well documented that for every mile that you jog....you add one minute to your life. This enables you at 85 years old to spend an additional 5 months in a nursing home at $5000 per month. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 16:09:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74K9J800828 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-215-70.s324.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.215.70] helo=palladio) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13KnmP-0002I0-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:09:17 -0400 Message-ID: <004001bffe4f$6eabfd60$d3d43ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Fw: request: parking in dc Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:01:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > I don't see it on your list, but there are mc spots in the 200 block of > Independence Ave. SE in front of the Adams Building. Handy for LOC, Hill > types and Capitol visitors. > > Paul A. Wilson > Washington DC > 1991 CB750 > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Custer, Carl > To: ; 'DCCy' > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 1:49 PM > Subject: request: parking in dc > > > > Updated (by me) as of July > > Corrections appreciated: > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 17:06:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f219.hotmail.com [209.185.130.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74L6W802180 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:06:21 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fw: request: parking in dc Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 21:06:21 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2000 21:06:21.0478 (UTC) FILETIME=[D724B460:01BFFE57] There are also about 10 spaces on the House side of the Capitol building right behind the guard building. Its a nice and secure spot for sure....I've left mine there for hours. If asked, tell the guard you've got an appointment or delivery. >From: "Paul A. Wilson" >To: "dc cycles" >Subject: Fw: request: parking in dc >Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:01:58 -0400 > > > > I don't see it on your list, but there are mc spots in the 200 block of > > Independence Ave. SE in front of the Adams Building. Handy for LOC, >Hill > > types and Capitol visitors. > > > > Paul A. Wilson > > Washington DC > > 1991 CB750 > > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Custer, Carl > > To: ; 'DCCy' > > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 1:49 PM > > Subject: request: parking in dc > > > > > > > Updated (by me) as of July > > > Corrections appreciated: > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 17:35:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f52.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74LZI802644 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:35:03 -0700 Received: from 4.17.82.47 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.17.82.47] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: slip-ons Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 21:35:03 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2000 21:35:03.0537 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9920E10:01BFFE5B] I have Micron Carbons on my TL1000s. I have had them on about 2 years. they are loud, light ,and excellent quality. The ends are bolts not rivets (repackable). Be careful with carbon on twins , the volume of exhaust is very high it will blow some carbon cans apart. When I was in England as well as at the races on the Isle of Man, Micron was the most popular. Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 18:45:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74Mj5803731 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-38.s38.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.38] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13KqD8-00001V-00; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 18:45:03 -0400 Message-ID: <037801bffe65$31eb00e0$266daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "Lin_Tan" Cc: References: <00ee01bffe31$2f0ff210$3ea546a2@amsinc.com> Subject: Re: Who's racing this weekend? Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:41:55 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Randy Moran, Bryan Roach, Sean Jordan, myself... and I am sure others that you might know. Come on out. We are pitted at the end of the first row just as you come in. Welcome one and all! Danny '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Lin_Tan To: Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 10:53 AM Subject: Who's racing this weekend? > Any of the stalwart DC-Cycles racers racing this weekend? I might be going > up on Sunday and would like to have someone to cheer on. > > LindaT. > Springfield, VA, USA > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting) > 00 KLR250 Tenzing > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 18:55:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74MtH803833 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gsx1100gp@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.92.84bbbfd (3879) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:55:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Gsx1100gp@XXXXXX Message-ID: <92.84bbbfd.26bca3c7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:55:03 EDT Subject: Fwd: LDRider: BBG in progress - VA to TX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_92.84bbbfd.26bca3c7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 --part1_92.84bbbfd.26bca3c7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From the LDRider list - Dale's at it again Wish him luck Michael J. (for those who do not know what a BBG is - it's a Bun Burner Gold - 1,500 miles in 24 hours or less) --part1_92.84bbbfd.26bca3c7_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (rly-yd04.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.4]) by air-yd01.mail.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:43:30 -0400 Received: from yucca.anv.net (yucca.anv.net [207.168.92.4]) by rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:43:16 -0400 Received: by yucca.anv.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07119 for ldrider-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HQWSMTPGWSMT01.pbgc.gov ([206.105.222.3]) by yucca.anv.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07113 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hqwexchanexc02.corp.pbgc.gov (unverified) by HQWSMTPGWSMT01.pbgc.gov (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:07:51 -0400 Received: by hqwexchanexc02.corp.pbgc.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:08:03 -0400 Message-Id: <8B68F7F25AA9D1118D9B0008C7A48FE5027A2883@hqwexchanexc02.corp.pbgc.gov> From: Begeman Leon To: "'LDRider'" Subject: LDRider: BBG in progress - VA to TX Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:07:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ldrider@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Begeman Leon I signed the initial witness sheet for Dale Horstman and Rick Miller. They left from Woodbridge, VA at 5AM EDT enroute to Ft.Worth TX. Rick ought to be easy to identify, he's riding an '01 Blue Connie and his pillion is a purple furry dinosaur wearing a purple bicycle helmet. They were headed south on I-95 to I-20 and then turn West. Their biggest concern was getting through Atlanta before the traffic got too bad. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 1st place, Unique class '97 MN1K ZX6 - DNF (mechanical) '00 MN2K --part1_92.84bbbfd.26bca3c7_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 5 12:07:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe4.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e75G7f822850 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.28.208.69] ([24.28.208.69]) by mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:07:18 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 12:14:05 -0400 Subject: Blown fuse From: David Cross To: VFR List , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301bffef1$c4251040$4c18ee3f@b5m4q6> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I week ago I noticed that the instrument lights on my '94 VFR were out. I checked the fuse box and the fuse was blown. I replaced it with the spare and the lights came back on. A couple days later the lights were out again. The only thing different about the electrical system is that about 2 months ago I replaced the headlight bulbs with higher watt bulbs. Also I couple of times the bike would not start although the battery would seem fine. It was strange because even in neutral it wouldnt even crank unless I pulled in the clutch also, then it would try and start but fail. If I waited a bit it would start again fine. Could these be related or is it something else? Any ideas? Thanks in advance. Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 5 13:39:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5203.mail.yahoo.com (web5203.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e75Hdm824215 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000805173937.4823.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.81.68] by web5203.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 05 Aug 2000 10:39:37 PDT Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:39:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Blown fuse To: David Cross , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii David- You have to be careful when going with higher wattage bulbs...if you step up the wattage too much, you run the risk of frying your wiring harness... I've also known guys to actually melt the plastic reflective material inside their headlight housing due to the excessive heat emitted from the increased intensity bulb. Have you tried switching back to your original bulb(s) to see if it makes a difference? Either way, it does sound like you've got a power drain somewhere. BTW I've increased the wattage of the headlight bulbs in my bike (yeah, it uses two bulbs, one for low beam and an additional come on for high) I've used a 55W=85W PIAA "SuperWhite"...which is a 55W that "has intensity equivalent to" 85W for low beam and I stepped up from a 55W high beam to a Hella 70W high beam bulb..works pretty well, but I've known some guys that stepped up from 55W to 100W, some have fried their wiring others haven't..it's a gamble when you get too aggressive with the bulbs. If you really need more light, you might look into adding some sort of driving lights.. -Corbett '99 K1200RS --- David Cross wrote: > I week ago I noticed that the instrument lights on > my '94 VFR were out. I > checked the fuse box and the fuse was blown. I > replaced it with the spare > and the lights came back on. A couple days later > the lights were out again. > > The only thing different about the electrical system > is that about 2 months > ago I replaced the headlight bulbs with higher watt > bulbs. Also I couple of > times the bike would not start although the battery > would seem fine. It was > strange because even in neutral it wouldnt even > crank unless I pulled in the > clutch also, then it would try and start but fail. > If I waited a bit it > would start again fine. Could these be related or > is it something else? > Any ideas? > > Thanks in advance. > > Dave Cross > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 5 14:47:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e75Ilt825236 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000805184752.JTPH2546.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a>; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:47:52 -0700 Message-ID: <006b01bfff0e$073e1f40$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: , References: <8525692E.003E44BF.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Subject: Enfield (was Re: Brand New Zoo) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:50:29 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Rich, Are you going to at the next bike night? I'm sure lots of us would like to get a look at any one of the three bikes listed in your sig (especially the Bonnie). James '00 SV650 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:20 AM Subject: RE: Brand New Zoo > > > James wrote... > >DC Cycles-ers, > > I'm happy to report that I took delivery of my first bike in > >many years today. I ordered a Suzuki SV650 form cyclecity1.com > >about a week ago and it was delivered this afternoon as promised. > >The bike was hauled out here from Erie PA. > > Too weird. Too slick for Erie (population = one third the number of people > that stand on the DC Mall during 4th of July fireworks). My wife will > never believe this. > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > '58 / '65 Triton "kit" > http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 5 15:04:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e75J43825467 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000805190400.JYPG2546.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a>; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:04:00 -0700 Message-ID: <00b301bfff10$4838b9e0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: "Todd Rittershausen" , "DC Cycles" References: <382241581.965138553842.JavaMail.root@web576-ec.mail.com> Subject: Re: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:06:38 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I spoke to a guy just yesterday who referred to Coleman (now Power Ride) as Costco for motorcycles. Pretty accurate. James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Rittershausen" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 10:02 AM Subject: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) > Christopher Weaver wrote: > "This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman." > > Ouch. Having recently moved to the area, I'm not familiar with the local dealerships. I'm guessing from this that Colman Powersports isn't held in high regard. Anyone else have any recommendations/warnings? Thanks. > > Todd > > Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy > `80 CX-500C > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 5 16:08:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e75K80826445 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000805200753.KSJB2546.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a>; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:07:53 -0700 Message-ID: <01f001bfff19$342a0ea0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: "Doug Allis" , , Cc: References: Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:10:29 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > Under this law a homeowners association (or > state or local government) can (and we do) regulate how and where you put up > such a dish and antenna, but such association regulations cannot make it > impossible for you to receive a good signal. We have prohibited such > antennas from being put on the front facade of all houses in our > association. So far nobody has successfully claimed that the only place they > could get a signal was if they put the thing on the front of the house > (although several have tried!). But it also depends on the specific > association's covenents -- some simply are so out of date or poorly written > that its not clear exactly what they can regulate about home exterior > fixtures, so the courts rule against the association and allows the > homeowner to do whatever he wants. Bottom line here is that all this keeps > the lawyers very busy! Exactly why I refuse to live any place with a homeowners association. I prefer a neighborhood. From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 5 16:33:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e75KXE826817 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-50.patriot.net [209.249.181.50]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e75KX5W30540; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:33:06 -0400 Message-ID: <398C7829.2FEF22C7@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 16:25:13 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Reazor CC: Doug Allis , BryanRoach@XXXXXX, bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider References: <01f001bfff19$342a0ea0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Reazor wrote: > Exactly why I refuse to live any place with a homeowners association. I > prefer a neighborhood. My `hood is perfect. Lil' redneck city just inside the beltway. At one point I had eight motor vehicles, three bikes, two boats, and a race trailer with four outboard race boats. No probs. Sat dish? Sheeeiit, man, we had dudes in here with frigging CB antennas bigger than their house. We have houses with friggin heavy equipment parked in the back yard! Now I'm down to three motor vehicles, three bikes, one boat. Well, not counting the lengendary "Microwave" outboard hydro which is parked in the carport. Hasn't been on the race course in ten years but the name "Microwave" still ends shivers of fear down the slines of the 15 super stock hydro boys. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 5 21:39:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e761ds801451 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 21:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norc (dyn36.c5200-3.king-george.246.crosslink.net [206.246.73.101]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id VAA03590 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 21:39:45 -0400 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000805213926.0095d800@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:39:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Nolan N100 Helmet - Repost by request Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey all.. this looks like an awesome price on the nolan flip face helmet...Duane has been selling me ALL of my racing helmets and he's done me very well on them and other things I've bought. And apparently, he's treated other listers tht I have referred very well also. Please tell him I said howdy if you give him a call. Collin --- aloetran@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hey y'all, > > I hate to advertise on e-mail but this was a good deal I thought > y'all > might be interested in a Nolan N100 at a > great price. Our supplier of Nolan helmets is overstocked on some > sizes > and colors and we are passing the > savings along to you. They are new, still in the box, has never been > worn or tried on. The Nolan N100 is > comparable to the Shoei Duotec and Syncrotec. > > The Nolan N100 Trend helmets are available in white, sliver and > wineberry. The vent on top is black (the photo > does not show it as black). > The Nolan N100 Classic (vent is the color of the helmet) is available > in > red. > There are only a couple of black helmets available in XXL. > > Both N100 styles has these features: > > M-' Innovative, patented front-lifting system designed for touring and > dedicated street riders > M-' Molded Lexan shell > M-' Stylish, compact wind-tunnel tested design > M-' "High-Brite" painting system offers long-term good looks and > durability > M-' Features JSW (Jet Stream Wing), Nolan's patented air conditioning > system > M-' "Microlock" retention system > M-' Interior is "sanitized" with anti-microbial treatment > M-' Removable wind protector/breath deflector > M-' GE Lexan face shield > M-' DOT certified system > > These helmets retail at $199.99 - Sale price, while supplies last, > $128.00 plus shipping to you. > > If you have any questions or need help with sizing, please e-mail me. > > Yvonne > Dixie Cycle > 318-368-3172 > > Please tell your riding partners! > > There is a limited supply, ater these - there will be no more! M-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8 J. Andrew Culpepper King George, VA (540) 775-3984 '90 EX500 S-TRA# 100 MGNOC# 15488 From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 5 23:10:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f79.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.241.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e763As802779 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 20:10:43 -0700 Received: from 165.247.85.112 by lw6fd.law6.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 06 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.247.85.112] From: "John Kozyn" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: Blown fuse Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 23:10:43 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2000 03:10:43.0409 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8486410:01BFFF53] From: David Cross I week ago I noticed that the instrument lights on my '94 VFR were out. I checked the fuse box and the fuse was blown. I replaced it with the spare and the lights came back on. A couple days later the lights were out again. The only thing different about the electrical system is that about 2 months ago I replaced the headlight bulbs with higher watt bulbs. Also I couple of times the bike would not start although the battery would seem fine. It was strange because even in neutral it wouldnt even crank unless I pulled in the clutch also, then it would try and start but fail. If I waited a bit it would start again fine. Could these be related or is it something else? Any ideas? Dave, It seems to me that on the VFR list (I'm not subscribed at the moment) people with electric gremlins may well have a reg/rec fading on them. If it were my bike (I have a 95 VFR) that would certainly be my supposition. Electrolex makes a good one for about $135, better than OEM according to list wisdom. I run high wattage H4's and H1157's in the tail - no problemo, no melting plastic - unlike my '85 Interceptor, which couldn't handle it. If you had problems starting and the battery is good, 10-to-1 it's your r/r. Go to the Texas VFR Garage site and check out what others have to say. Good luck and let us know what happens. John Kozyn '95 VFR ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 6 05:56:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web904.mail.yahoo.com (web904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e769ur810074 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 05:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2189 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2000 09:56:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20000806095647.2188.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.211.14] by web904.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 06 Aug 2000 02:56:47 PDT Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 02:56:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Dale is on his way home. To: DCCycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dale Horstman and Rick Miller arrived safely in Weatherford, Texas. I received this from Jack Tollett on the LDR list. Jack was the witness for their arrival. Quoted message: the boys done good. got in with a whole ten minutes to spare. :) I didn't total their mileage but they both said they were over 1500 not counting the miles they went in circles getting the IBET points for Vicksburg. Had breakfast with them and watch them do the typical transition from hyper to falling asleep in their food. :) Greg Robinson led them to the motel. They got Barney delivered and are on their way home. Better men than I. jt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 6 07:55:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e76BtS811793 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.28.8fa4b3c (4568) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:55:14 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <28.8fa4b3c.26beac21@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:55:13 EDT Subject: Re: Dale is on his way home. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Thanks for the update, Leon - I didn't see anything on the LDRider list about their arrival. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 6 13:03:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e76H2l816567 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 13:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-63.208.167.245.Washington2.Level3.net [63.208.167.245]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA20251; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 10:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Chuck Pena" Cc: Subject: RE: slip-ons Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:55:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfffc7$18b5b6c0$f5a7d03f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <398B37ED.188C7B54@ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Well, I'm sitting here getting caught up on emails/bills/etc. instead of riding b/c of all this F*CKING RAIN!!! Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for their thoughts on my slip-on situation. Here's a couple of additional notes: First I'm choosing CF cans because of the weight saving over aluminum, as well as they don't get hot. Oh, and I like how they look, which is also why I like oval. I would like to get the kind with bolts so that if they do start to come apart, they can be rebuilt. I would like to get high-mount but only if I can keep the passenger footpegs. Also it would be nice to get a set of slip-ons that you can also order a jet-kit with that's already adjusted specifically to work with that system & bike. Micron has that, but I didn't like how the guy bad-mouthed every other brand. That's not the way to sell me. I'm not going to do a "bafflectomy" because A. I'd still have hot, heavy aluminum cans and B. I want to maintain resale value by keeping the stock cans in original condition. Anyway, thanks again because I feel like I'm WAY ahead of where I was in my search and will probably have my order in this week if all goes well. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 5:39 PM To: vtrman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: slip-ons Matt, I'm not a VTR owner/expert and would certainly defer to the likes of Todd Peer, Chris Weaver, and other who actually own VTRs for their first-hand experiences/opinions. Nonetheless, here's my 2 cents! %^) I like my Yosh RS-3 oval can (full exhaust) on my '93 GSXR-750. Definitely a power increase (with proper jetting) and, for me, just the right sound. Loud, but not obnoxiously so. I'm pretty sure Yosh makes an RS-3 slip-on for the VTR (probably a high mount too, if that's what you want) in an oval carbon can. I've not heard, but love the looks of the Staintune slip-ons, which I think are high mount and retain the passenger pegs. But they're aluminum and don't know if they're oval. I will second Chris' motion and say that I've had very good experience dealing with Kevin at Kiernen Racing Supplies (where I got my Yosh RS-3 full exhaust). I price-shopped all the catalogs and a lot of the online places and Kevin beat their prices (without me giving him a number to shoot for). Cheers, Chuck Big Matty wrote : > > Been wanting to get a set of slip-ons for my VTR1000. Oval carbon-fibre > preferably, high-quality, performance enhancing, etc., as well as LOUD. I > mean I want to piss off every neighbor I have. (not really, but you get the > point.) From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 6 17:07:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com (web5201.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e76L7m820357 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000806210741.13703.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.87.49] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 06 Aug 2000 14:07:41 PDT Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 14:07:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Summit Point Waterway To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii First, I want to thank all of those that came along for the glorious ride out to Summit Point today...I think I can remember everyone's names: There was.... Um.. Well, there was.. uh... Okay, nobody except myself was dumb enough to take their scooter to Summit Point today. BUT I just had to go, I really didn't have a chance to ride much this week and I'd already scheduled my Sunday off from work JUST TO RIDE...and HEY - It was WATER WING day at Summit so it clinched the deal. Things I learned: Do you know difference between water-resistant and waterproof? About a hundred bucks. Do you know the difference between jeans and a leather jacket and a waterproof rainsuit? Uh..at least with the jeans and jacket you KNOW that you're gonna get wet.. With the rainsuit...it's going to be more of a S-U-R-P-R-I-S-E. Being warm is no substitute for being dry. In a thunderstorm, ladies in $50,000 Range Rovers who drive at 48 mph with their hazard lights on really have no business on the interstate. Makes me wonder what kind of vehicle they drove before...and how they reacted in thunderstorms previously... (I suppose men might be guilty of the same thing...but I didn't pass any of them in my 100 miles of travel today.) Skechers (boots) look pretty cool when there's not water squishing out of the toes. RAIN-X - good stuff to keep the water running off you're face shield...not very good for keeping the fog out of the inside of your helmet though. (I understand they have a RAIN-X "No Fog" formula, but I haven't tried it yet. (Of course, 70 mph was the proper speed to have the water "wisk" away as quickly as it fell...) Finally, the only familiar face that I ran into up at Summit during my brief back stroke through the paddock area, Sean Jordan, reminded of the philosophical ramblings of one local BMW rider and former Riders Accessory Warehouse owner, Art Crow: I've been warm and dry, and I've been cold and wet... Dry is better. -Corbett '99 Kayak1200RS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 6 18:22:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e76MM8821466 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-13.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.141]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23141; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <398E1005.4167C827@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 18:25:25 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Corbett B CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Summit Point Waterway References: <20000806210741.13703.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Corbett B wrote : > > RAIN-X - good stuff to keep the water running off > you're face shield...not very good for keeping the fog > out of the inside of your helmet though. (I understand > they have a RAIN-X "No Fog" formula, but I haven't > tried it yet. (Of course, 70 mph was the proper speed > to have the water "wisk" away as quickly as it > fell...) Dude, I was wondering if you were gonna go to Summit today! %^) BTW, for keeping the fog out of the inside of your helmet the best product I've found is a Fog City shield (attaches to the inside of your existing shield). It is one of the few (only?) no/anti-fog products I know of that actually works! Hope it doesn't rain on Bike Night! Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 6 18:24:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e76MOs821476 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-13.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.141]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09772; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <398E10AD.426A69D2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 18:28:13 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vtrman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: slip-ons References: <000001bfffc7$18b5b6c0$f5a7d03f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt, One other source you might want to check: Erion Racing. I know they are Honda-only. Just don't know if they have VTR stuff. I do know that people rave about their cans and proprietary jet kits (specifically for their exhaust systems) for the CBR600/900. Chuck Big Matty wrote : > > be rebuilt. I would like to get high-mount but only if I can keep the > passenger footpegs. Also it would be nice to get a set of slip-ons that you > can also order a jet-kit with that's already adjusted specifically to work > with that system & bike. Micron has that, but I didn't like how the guy -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 6 21:18:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e771Ik824068 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-108.patriot.net [209.249.180.108]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e771IdW26651; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:18:39 -0400 Message-ID: <398E0C98.727EDC29@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 21:10:48 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Charles V. Pena" CC: Corbett B , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Summit Point Waterway References: <20000806210741.13703.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> <398E1005.4167C827@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charles V. Pena wrote: > I was wondering if you were gonna go to Summit today! %^) BTW, for > keeping the fog out of the inside of your helmet the best product I've > found is a Fog City shield (attaches to the inside of your existing > shield). It is one of the few (only?) no/anti-fog products I know of > that actually works! > > Hope it doesn't rain on Bike Night! > > Chuck Back when I wore a full-face, I'd stick a small tab of foam tape on the visor to keep it open a scoosch. Kept it from fogging. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 6 22:15:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (c008-h013.c008.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.202]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e772Fk824945 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 9262 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2000 19:15:38 -0700 Received: from ip80.laurel5.md.pub-ip.psi.net (HELO surfree.com) (38.30.239.80) by smtp.surfree.com (209.228.14.202) with SMTP; 6 Aug 2000 19:15:38 -0700 X-Sent: 7 Aug 2000 02:15:38 GMT Message-ID: <398E1C0C.8EF4ACE6@surfree.com> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:16:44 -0400 From: Do Yin Reply-To: doyin@XXXXXX Organization: HOME X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Leather jacket alterations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone recommend a tailer that specializes in altering leather jackets? I need to have the sleeves shortened on my Vanson. As it is right now it crunches up between the elbow and the shoulder because of my short short arms. From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 6 22:26:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e772Qn825043 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JD6201md@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 9.e1.81d3a35 (4183); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:26:06 -0400 (EDT) From: JD6201md@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:26:06 EDT Subject: Invitation to Ride To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Looking for some new terrain to explore? Hope you'll join us for a day of new roads. 2000 Mountain Mambo Run If the link doesn't work, check out http://members.aol.com/AntietamMC/roadrun.html -- Jeff From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 6 22:51:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e772pe825495 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-33.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.97]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA06228; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <398E4F34.238D549B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:55:00 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doyin@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leather jacket alterations References: <398E1C0C.8EF4ACE6@surfree.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bedo's Leatherworks. 412 W. Broad St., Falls Church, VA. (703) 534-3233. They specialize in leather and specifically, motorcycle gear. I had them shorten the sleeves 1" on my AGV Rage jacket. Do Yin wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a tailer that specializes in altering leather > jackets? I need to have the sleeves shortened on my Vanson. As it is > right now it crunches up between the elbow and the shoulder because of > my short short arms. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 01:50:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e775oA828139 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA00090 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA20564 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf (surf15-114.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.114]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id BAA07372; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:49:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "GSXR" , "Tl1000" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Suzuki-Bikes" , "SV650" , "Hayabusa" , "fj1100" , "R1 Email List" Subject: Summit Point 8-6-00 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:49:38 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal For your viewing pleasure. I have some of the photos in a higher resolution if you want one. Just email me with the photo number. Album #1 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=7556559 Album #2 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=7556578 Album #3 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=7556588 Gary Foreman From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 02:01:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7761S828426 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 02:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.3b.840ee42 (4319) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 02:01:14 -0400 (EDT) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3b.840ee42.26bfaaaa@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 02:01:14 EDT Subject: Re: slip-ons To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 In a message dated 8/4/00 5:37:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dankenney@XXXXXX writes: << Be careful with carbon on twins , the volume of exhaust is very high it will blow some carbon cans apart. >> Its also more likely to have burn throughs with a twin. I burned straight thru my Yosh carbon cans. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 07:23:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77BNC804274 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA00870 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA26394 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-66.cybercable.com [204.188.47.66]) by idalee.loudoun.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e77BLnt06406; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <398E9C0A.EFF5AD1E@loudoun.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 07:22:52 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Reply-To: jmoran@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Foreman CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Summit Point 8-6-00 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gary, Those are some great pictures. Thanks alot for taking the time to share them. Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com Gary Foreman wrote: > For your viewing pleasure. I have some of the photos in a higher resolution > if you want one. Just email me with the photo number. > > Album #1 > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=7556559 > > Album #2 > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=7556578 > > Album #3 > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=7556588 > > Gary Foreman From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 07:41:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77Bfn804540 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24592; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:30:46 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.92) with SMTP id HAA27656; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:41:46 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256934.00403D04 ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:41:39 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: "James Reazor" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256934.00403ABF.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:41:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Enfield (was Re: Brand New Zoo) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline James wrote... >Rich, > Are you going to at the next bike night? I'm sure lots of us would like >to get a look at any one of the three bikes listed in your sig (especially >the Bonnie). Not sure yet if I'm going to Bike Night on Tuesday. Depends on so many things. Quite a few DCCers have seen the Bonnie, and a subset of those have seen the Enfield recently at the first Bike Night. Those folks might be happy to know that I have replaced the muffler. The baffles were loose and banging around in there like a coffe can full of rocks. The Triton has not been seen by anyone. It is still in the early constuction stages. If you're really interested (or just really bored) you can see some pics at this site: http://www.erie.net/~mrpink/page1.html These pics were taken at the end of March on the day I brought it home. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '58 / '65 Triton "kit" http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 08:36:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77Ca5805465 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-45-166.s166.tnt5.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.45.166]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Lm8Q-0004E1-00; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 08:36:03 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: MJordan666@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dale is on his way home. Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:41:28 GMT Message-ID: <398ed89a.216700761@smtp.erols.com> References: <28.8fa4b3c.26beac21@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <28.8fa4b3c.26beac21@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e77CaK805466 On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:55:13 EDT, you wrote: |>Thanks for the update, Leon - I didn't see anything on the LDRider list about |>their arrival. Don't you mean thanks for the warning? Daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 10:07:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77E7C807431 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-32 #43876) with ESMTP id <0FYX000A7DV4HW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <36R3KB9V>; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:07:04 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:04:59 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: Rider down? To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC6800F9A7B@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anyone know if there was a wreck on 66 out at the plains last night? (eastbound) I passed a bad accident (looked to be single vehicle) about 11pm but it was so bad I was unable to determine what type of vehicle it was. The main "hunk" of debris looked exactly like on of those wagons that Goldwing's pull behind them... It was right after the surface of the road had changed from smooth to milled and I speculated that possibly a MC towing a wagon got speed wobble from the grooves and the rider lost it. (I'm assuming that the wagon was lightly loaded and started thrashing back and forth...) -Calvin '00VFR800FI From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 10:41:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77Efk807896 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:41:14 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062FD3@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'DCMotoCrew'" Subject: Bike Night: Two Wheel Tuesday Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:31:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Please join us all for Bike Night at Grevey's tomorrow night. The weather report right now is for no rain. $2 Sierra Nevadas, great food and lotsa bikes! See you there Mark Kitchell Chuck Pena http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 13:22:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77HMZ810850 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13LqbW-0002bP-00; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:22:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:19 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "bhuson@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: HOAs Message-ID: <20000807131818175-1b240807@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From: Bill Huson > >My `hood is perfect. Lil' redneck city just inside the beltway. >Sheeeiit, man, we had dudes in here >with frigging CB antennas bigger than their house. We have houses with >friggin >heavy equipment parked in the back yard! Now we know why you keep the HD despite spending more time in the shop than on the road. HOA rules - no foreign bikes lest they be accidentally vandalized. R From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 13:38:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e77Hct811177 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26628 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2000 17:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2000 17:39:02 -0000 Message-ID: <398EF3F7.B98EA0C5@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:37:59 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bernescut@XXXXXX CC: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" , "Custer, Carl" Subject: Re: request: parking in dc References: <000201bffe15$e3178140$770810ac@cedric> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for reposting (and updating!) the parking info, folks! Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 13:42:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77Hg3811256 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13LquS-000402-00; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:41:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:38 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "vtrman@XXXXXX" , "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Erion Message-ID: <20000807133752384-1b35f2c7@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii They definitely make VTR exhaust. Erion sponsors Pridmore's CLASS and so they were on every CLASS bike while I was there including the VTR. I like the sound but it was however not all that loud, which I think you said you were looking for. I don't know if they make different versions or not so it could be that one. As a definitive measure CLASS rides at Laguna Seca and their materials state there is a _strict_ 92 db noise limit there so all of the CLASS bikes would have to meet it. R >From: "Charles V. Pena" >Subject: Re: slip-ons > >Matt, > >One other source you might want to check: Erion Racing. I know they are >Honda-only. Just don't know if they have VTR stuff. I do know that >people rave about their cans and proprietary jet kits (specifically for >their exhaust systems) for the CBR600/900. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 13:44:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e77HiA811327 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28845 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2000 17:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2000 17:44:20 -0000 Message-ID: <398EF53A.898CA9B3@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:43:22 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ledford, Calvin" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Rider down? References: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC6800F9A7B@resie03.ie.cw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Ledford, Calvin" wrote: > > It was right after the surface of the road had changed from smooth to milled > and I speculated that possibly a MC towing a wagon got speed wobble from the > grooves and the rider lost it. I came back I-66E last night after midnight. Those uneven lanes were real scary - no warning signs, couldn't really see them - I changed lanes and almost had the handlebars twitch out of my hands... Surprised I didn't bend a rim on the sharp bump at the end. Worst part of the whole damn Texas trip. Be careful out there. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 14:17:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.lmi.org (home.lmi.org [198.3.128.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77IHI812130 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.lmi.org ([10.0.0.2]) by home.lmi.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:17:01 -0400 Received: from ccMail by mail.lmi.org (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5) id AA965672230; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:17:11 -0400 Message-Id: <0008079656.AA965672230@mail.lmi.org> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:15:00 -0400 From: "Brian Roberson" To: Subject: RE: HOAs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Speaking of HOA's.. I believe I read in my HOA manual that our neighborhood does not allow Motorcycles of any nature to be parked outside the house.. Pretty funny.. When I get the chance I leave it parked on the sidewalk - just for spite. Brian -----Original Message----- From: "Rob Bell" at INTERNET Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 1:00 PM To: "bhuson@XXXXXX" at INTERNET Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" at INTERNET Subject: HOAs >From: Bill Huson > >My `hood is perfect. Lil' redneck city just inside the beltway. >Sheeeiit, man, we had dudes in here >with frigging CB antennas bigger than their house. We have houses with >friggin >heavy equipment parked in the back yard! Now we know why you keep the HD despite spending more time in the shop than on the road. HOA rules - no foreign bikes lest they be accidentally vandalized. R From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 14:27:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e77IRf812296 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2318 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2000 18:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2000 18:28:12 -0000 Message-ID: <398EFF70.E06EF126@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:26:56 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Concours Owners Group CC: jadfree@XXXXXX Subject: '91 Gold Wing for Sale References: <000901bffeef$cadd41c0$7745263f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jadfree wrote: > > I saw a G.W. Interstate For Sale on this list in the last week or so, > and it was in Colarado I think . My brother is trying to sell his Goldwing. I've got a jpeg pic of it I can send to anyone who requests it. The bike is located in Manassas, VA. Horkster -- > -----Original Message----- > From: Horstman, Richard E [mailto:richard.e.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 10:47 AM > To: Dale(work) (E-mail) > Subject: '91 Interstate for sale > > > Solid Interstate 53K miles. Beige, AM/FM w/4 speakers, J&M > Cb/intercom audio > pack, heel/toe shift, > driver/passenger highway boards, passenger armrests, trunk luggage rack w/ > bag, hitch and ball, wind wings. > > It is the Interstate, which means it is void of all the goodies the > Aspencade > and SE have. No reverse, cruise or compressor. The bike is in excellent > mechanical condition. It will need a new front tire soon and the > windshield > is > old and could use replacement also. Appearance-wise, it's not a > show bike. > The paint job is intact, but 9 years old and the pin-striping is faded. I > ride the > bike not show it. > > Any further questions, contact Rich at Monguire@XXXXXX > . > > $4800 Firm > > > <> From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 16:47:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77KlB815638 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.df.830596b (9491); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:46:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:46:57 EDT Subject: Re: HOAs To: broberso@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 If you are having trouble with Home Owners Associations, here's a tip to remember. Home Owner Associations do not have jurisdiction over the city and county streets and the right of way extending back into your front side walk (about 10 feet.) Vehicles may be parked there with impunity from the HOA if they are legally registered and the street is under city or county jurisdiction. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 17:38:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e77Lc6816465 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15548 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2000 21:38:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000807213803.15547.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.205.24] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:38:03 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:38:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Fairing replacements To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I had a rather unfortunate incident on Sunday, coming back from Harpers Ferry - I was planning to go to the WERA races, but turned around once it began to thunder. Anyway, I was almost home when the tail of my CBR F1 came loose around a bend - I think the tire must have slid on something as I wasn't going very fast. Trying to straighten up, I saw I was headed right for the median. Instead of crashing head on into the curb, I let the bike go and it slid straight up the road (Tuckerman Ln in N. Bethesda). The fall tore through my rain slicker, but didn't even scratch my leather jacket underneath. I was luckily unhurt. The left side fairings are badly scraped, and the left upper fairing cracked in two. I was wondering with scraped fairings, is it possible to have them sanded and painted at a body shop? Is this cheaper than a replacement? If the fairing is cracked through, is there a "plastic filler" that can be used to repair them? Also if they have to be replaced, where would be a good place to do this? Any help would be greatly appreciated, Adam Reinhardt '89 CBR 600 F __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 17:56:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f3.hotmail.com [209.185.131.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77LuN816749 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:56:16 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: HOAs Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:56:15 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2000 21:56:16.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F451B60:01C000BA] I wonder what would happen to this if you took it to court. I believe that the AMA would assist you in getting this HOA rule tossed out. I also wonder how the recently passed Virginia law permiting local government restriction of "recreational vehicles" will deal with motorcycles. Up to now local Virginia governments could not restrict the parking of legally registered boats, trailers and mobile homes on public streets. I wonder if motorcycles will be considered recreational vehicles? UGH >From: "Brian Roberson" >To: >Subject: RE: HOAs >Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:15:00 -0400 > >Speaking of HOA's.. I believe I read in my HOA manual that our neighborhood >does >not allow Motorcycles of any nature to be parked outside the house.. Pretty >funny.. When I get the chance I leave it parked on the sidewalk - just for >spite. > >Brian > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Rob Bell" at INTERNET >Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 1:00 PM >To: "bhuson@XXXXXX" at INTERNET >Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" at INTERNET >Subject: HOAs > > > >From: Bill Huson > > > >My `hood is perfect. Lil' redneck city just inside the beltway. > >Sheeeiit, >man, we had dudes in here > >with frigging CB antennas bigger than their house. We have houses with > >friggin > >heavy equipment parked in the back yard! > >Now we know why you keep the HD despite spending more time in the shop than >on >the road. HOA rules - no foreign bikes lest they be accidentally >vandalized. > > >R > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 18:42:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77Mgm817537 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:40:17 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Fairing Replacements Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:50:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 Adam, Your fairings can probably be repaired (haven't seen them so I don't know for sure). I don't know if the '89 had the plastic fairings, or the more brittle ones. My old '88 Hurricane had the more britle ones. The plastic can be plastic welded using a plastic welder (essentially a large soldering iron that melts the plastic. Other fairings can be reparied in the back with fiberglass and use epoxy to fill the cracks on the front. Just sand smooth. Bondo can be used to fill any small imperfections. If I was you, I'd check with salvage yards. You can probably pick some up fairly cheap. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 19:29:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77NTq818332 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.c3.810f747 (4072) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:29:27 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:29:27 EDT Subject: Saturday ride? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 I know it's only the beginning of the week, but I was wondering what's up for the "relaxed ride" this Saturday? A couple friends and I would like to be there, but we need to know time and place so we can make plans. Thanks! Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 19:49:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e77Nn6818682 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 17955 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2000 16:48:57 -0700 Received: from PPPa28-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.185) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2000 16:48:57 -0700 X-Sent: 7 Aug 2000 23:48:57 GMT Message-ID: <003f01c000cb$3e82e260$b97c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , References: Subject: Re: Saturday ride? Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:57:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Finalized plans will be out tomorrow. looks like we're meeting in Arlington around 9:30 with plans to leave around 10. I"ll post to the list tomorrow the final information. sorry it's taking so long, I was out of town for five days. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 7:29 PM Subject: Saturday ride? > I know it's only the beginning of the week, but I was wondering what's up for > the "relaxed ride" this Saturday? A couple friends and I would like to be > there, but we need to know time and place so we can make plans. Thanks! > > Rob VanSlyke > 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 21:52:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e781qU820639 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-126-205.s586.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.126.205] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13LyZ9-0006l8-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:52:28 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Dale and Ricks Golden run! Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:44:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c000da$21f44120$cd7eaccf@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Excellent news and thanks for the update Leon. Dang that Dale! Now I want my bbg more than ever ;-) Congratz Dale. Todd Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 02:56:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Dale is on his way home. To: DCCycles Dale Horstman and Rick Miller arrived safely in Weatherford, Texas. I received this from Jack Tollett on the LDR list. Jack was the witness for their arrival. Quoted message: the boys done good. got in with a whole ten minutes to spare. :) I didn't total their mileage but they both said they were over 1500 not counting the miles they went in circles getting the IBET points for Vicksburg. Had breakfast with them and watch them do the typical transition from hyper to falling asleep in their food. :) Greg Robinson led them to the motel. They got Barney delivered and are on their way home. Better men than I. jt ------------------ Thanks for the update, Leon - I didn't see anything on the LDRider list about their arrival. Michael J. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 22:16:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e782GG821028 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26980 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:16:07 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000807220722.00c7fc50@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:16:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Very Wet Ride Home Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Co-workers told me I should get a head start on the rain, so I left work at 4:45. What a mistake. 10 minutes into the ride home, I had to pull out the rain pants and tank bag cover. No big deal for a few miles, then ALL HELL broke loose in Herndon. I was going about 2 MPH with my feet hovering above the road as the trees on either side of the road were bending down to meet me. Cars were crawling just as slowly in front of and behind me. The wind was sliding the bike sideways! I have had it push me before, but never like that. I saw a bright flash off to my right as I ducked into a neighborhood. Turns out the bright flash took out two trees a block away from me, but the rain and wind were driving so hard that I never heard thunder. I eyed a porch to duck for cover, but the bike on a side stand wouldn't have lasted long. I was forced to sit and hold it upright, left foot in a foot of rising gutter water. 10 minutes later the hurricane was gone and lighter rain returned. That is the heaviest stuff I have ever seen live - let alone been on a bike for! _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 22:55:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e782tJ821580 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000808025507.MYSL2546.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:55:07 -0700 Message-ID: <02b401c000e3$dbfad940$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <0008079656.AA965672230@mail.lmi.org> Subject: Re: HOAs Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:53:40 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 So you're supposed to park them inside the house? I'm glad I didn't have to convince my wife of that. James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Roberson" To: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 2:15 PM Subject: RE: HOAs > Speaking of HOA's.. I believe I read in my HOA manual that our neighborhood does > not allow Motorcycles of any nature to be parked outside the house.. Pretty > funny.. When I get the chance I leave it parked on the sidewalk - just for > spite. > > Brian > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 00:47:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com (web5201.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e784lD823638 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000808044704.14077.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.37] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:47:04 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:47:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Fairing replacements To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't sweat it Adam! If you haven't dropped your bike before, you haven't been riding! You CAN sand the scratched fairings down and paint them.. I sanded one down sooo smooth on my old '88 Hurricane that I didn't even bother painting it...the plastic was black underneath the paint and it happened to blend in with the gray metalic paint scheme. The cracked fairing is a different story, I've seen guys try to patch it with fiberglass...plastic and fiberglass don't seem to mix too well. I haven't any experience with plastic filler. I think the Honda factory upper fairing on my old hurricane ran me around $600 (in 1993 dollars) but it came painted to match my bike and simply bolted on. I'm sure Lockhart or other aftermarket fairing manufacturers have a less expensive alternative..and lighter too...but you may be sacrificing quality. Of course, if you're a racer..there's nothing that duct tape and zip ties won't cure... -Corbett --- Adam Reinhardt wrote: > > > I had a rather unfortunate incident on Sunday, > coming back from Harpers Ferry - I was planning to > go > to the WERA races, but turned around once it began > to > thunder. Anyway, I was almost home when the tail of > my CBR F1 came loose around a bend - I think the > tire > must have slid on something as I wasn't going very > fast. Trying to straighten up, I saw I was headed > right for the median. Instead of crashing head on > into the curb, I let the bike go and it slid > straight > up the road (Tuckerman Ln in N. Bethesda). > The fall tore through my rain slicker, but didn't > even scratch my leather jacket underneath. I was > luckily unhurt. > The left side fairings are badly scraped, and the > left upper fairing cracked in two. I was wondering > with scraped fairings, is it possible to have them > sanded and painted at a body shop? Is this cheaper > than a replacement? If the fairing is cracked > through, is there a "plastic filler" that can be > used > to repair them? Also if they have to be replaced, > where would be a good place to do this? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated, > > Adam Reinhardt > > '89 CBR 600 F > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 00:56:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5204.mail.yahoo.com (web5204.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e784u4823720 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000808045557.3976.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.37] by web5204.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:55:57 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:55:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: HOA vs AMA To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Doug Allis wrote: > I wonder what would happen to this if you took it to > court. I believe that > the AMA would assist you in getting this HOA rule > tossed out. Funny you should ask...SEE BELOW -Corbett "Taking it to a Higher Court AMA appeals Canyon Lake case to state Supreme Court" by Chris Kallfelz "The gist of this action is whether the homeowners association of a large private community can completely ban the operation of motorcycles. We hold that it can." With those words, a California Court of Appeals shut down attempts by the AMA to open the community of Canyon Lake, California, to motorcyclists. For now. But the battle over this and other examples of anti-motorcycling discrimination isn't over. The AMA became involved in the Canyon Lake situation more than four years ago, when AMA members living in the private community 75 miles southeast of Los Angeles approached the Association. They noted that a ban on motorcycle use imposed by the Canyon Lake Property Owners Association (CLPOA) meant that they couldn't even ride their legally licensed motorcycles to their own homes. Instead, they were forced to leave their machines in an exposed, unprotected parking area at the edge of the community and walk home. The alternative was to accumulate hundreds of dollars in fines assessed by the community's police force. After discussions with the property owners group failed, the AMA filed suit against the community on behalf of motorcyclists living there. This was not the first time the Association has gone to court to eliminate a bike ban. The AMA previously succeeded in overturning bans in Massachusetts, Illinois and Connecticut, and these legal victories helped the Association negotiate an end to motorcycle bans elsewhere. Court victories can be expensive and time consuming, though. In the case of a public park ban in Brockton, Massachusetts, the legal battle lasted more than five years and wasn't resolved until the Massachusetts Supreme Court overturned lower court holdings and ruled against the ban. The Canyon Lake suit has now taken four years to progress through two levels of the justice system. On the other hand, the costs of not pursuing an appeal can be even greater. Letting a decision like this stand in California could hurt the momentum we've established elsewhere. The AMA's argument in this case is that the motorcycle ban violates the constitutional right of Canyon Lake residents to intrastate travel, and goes far beyond the statutory authority of the homeowners association to adopt rules. "Plaintiffs (the AMA and Canyon Lake motorcyclists) argue the motorcycle rule is overinclusive because it bans all motorcycles regardless of whether they are noisy, dangerous, or dangerously operated," the appellate court said in its tentative decision. "They claim that if the CLPOA were really motivated by concerns about noise and safety, it would adopt and enforce rules setting noise and speed limits for motorcycles." But then the court went on to decide that targeting all motorcyclists was appropriate after all, in part because a total ban is "administratively easier to enforce." Logic like that has prompted the AMA to commit the money necessary to see this case through to the California Supreme Court. "We are very cautious about how we allocate our resources," notes Robert Rasor, AMA vice president of government relations. "But this court opinion sets a very dangerous precedent. The motorcyclists we represent in Canyon Lake have met every legal standard, yet they can't even ride to their own homes. "We've fought long court battles before," concludes Rasor, "and we are committed to seeing this case through to the end." Copyright American Motorcyclist Association, 1997. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 02:27:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e786Rd825907 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 02:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000808062725.17660.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.50.80.69] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:27:25 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:27:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: dale is on his way home To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Damn.. teach me to not read the list for a week or so... I'm sittin here in western oklahoma at mom's house with two bikes just itching to get out and ride even more than I already am.. weatherford texas would have been a cinch to get over too.. or if on their way, I woulda had a stopping place for em (and conventiently, my mom's house is only 40 miles from an IBET stop... heading there wednesday myself! ) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 06:36:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78AaP829887 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 06:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-166.90.30.152.Washington1.Level3.net [166.90.30.152]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA18965; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Adam Reinhardt" , Subject: RE: Fairing replacements Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 06:28:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c00123$6f105b80$981e5aa6@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000807213803.15547.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I'm sorry this happened and I'm glad you're OK. I repaired my fairings using $20 worth of fibreglass repair items found at Home Depot. The repairs were done to the inside of the fairings so its not noticeable, however, anyone that knows anything about bikes looks at the scrapes on the outside and notices instantly "he's been down." I didn't claim the damage because to my insurance cuz they'll jack me for sure. If you do want to replace you're fairings, I've heard that this place is good: http://www.ronayersmotorsports.com/ramall/index.icl As far as plastic filling, repainting, etc. I would also be interested in the answer to that question. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Adam Reinhardt [mailto:ajreinhardt@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:38 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fairing replacements I had a rather unfortunate incident on Sunday, coming back from Harpers Ferry - I was planning to go to the WERA races, but turned around once it began to thunder. Anyway, I was almost home when the tail of my CBR F1 came loose around a bend - I think the tire must have slid on something as I wasn't going very fast. Trying to straighten up, I saw I was headed right for the median. Instead of crashing head on into the curb, I let the bike go and it slid straight up the road (Tuckerman Ln in N. Bethesda). The fall tore through my rain slicker, but didn't even scratch my leather jacket underneath. I was luckily unhurt. The left side fairings are badly scraped, and the left upper fairing cracked in two. I was wondering with scraped fairings, is it possible to have them sanded and painted at a body shop? Is this cheaper than a replacement? If the fairing is cracked through, is there a "plastic filler" that can be used to repair them? Also if they have to be replaced, where would be a good place to do this? Any help would be greatly appreciated, Adam Reinhardt '89 CBR 600 F __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 07:51:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78BpG801116 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA11734; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000808075116.009f58f0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 07:52:30 -0400 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Very Wet Ride Home In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000807220722.00c7fc50@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yikes! Sorry to hear about that. I get off work at 6PM and it was a monster out there. Waited it out about 15 minutes and barely got sprinkled on, thank Goddess! LOL Glad you made it home alright. It's murder out there. I had to avoid branches & leaves all over the road on the way home! : ( - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 10:16 PM 8/7/00 -0400, Troutman wrote: >Co-workers told me I should get a head start on the rain, so I left work at >4:45. What a mistake. 10 minutes into the ride home, I had to pull out >the rain pants and tank bag cover. No big deal for a few miles, then ALL >HELL broke loose in Herndon. I was going about 2 MPH with my feet hovering >above the road as the trees on either side of the road were bending down to >meet me. Cars were crawling just as slowly in front of and behind me. The >wind was sliding the bike sideways! I have had it push me before, but >never like that. > >I saw a bright flash off to my right as I ducked into a >neighborhood. Turns out the bright flash took out two trees a block away >from me, but the rain and wind were driving so hard that I never heard >thunder. I eyed a porch to duck for cover, but the bike on a side stand >wouldn't have lasted long. I was forced to sit and hold it upright, left >foot in a foot of rising gutter water. 10 minutes later the hurricane was >gone and lighter rain returned. That is the heaviest stuff I have ever >seen live - let alone been on a bike for! > >_____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 08:30:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f211.hotmail.com [209.185.130.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78CU5801685 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 05:29:57 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: jzell@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Very Wet Ride Home Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 12:29:56 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2000 12:29:57.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CA1F920:01C00134] At the last minute last night, I decided to stay at the office (downtown) until it was all over. Very glad I did so as hail began falling about 5 minutes after I was supposed to leave. I guess riding in a thunderstorm is not a good idea. >Yikes! Sorry to hear about that. I get off work at 6PM and it was a >monster out there. Waited it out about 15 minutes and barely got sprinkled >on, thank Goddess! LOL >Glad you made it home alright. It's murder out there. I had to avoid >branches & leaves all over the road on the way home! : ( > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > >At 10:16 PM 8/7/00 -0400, Troutman wrote: > >Co-workers told me I should get a head start on the rain, so I left work >at > >4:45. What a mistake. 10 minutes into the ride home, I had to pull out > >the rain pants and tank bag cover. No big deal for a few miles, then ALL > >HELL broke loose in Herndon. I was going about 2 MPH with my feet >hovering > >above the road as the trees on either side of the road were bending down >to > >meet me. Cars were crawling just as slowly in front of and behind me. >The > >wind was sliding the bike sideways! I have had it push me before, but > >never like that. > > > >I saw a bright flash off to my right as I ducked into a > >neighborhood. Turns out the bright flash took out two trees a block away > >from me, but the rain and wind were driving so hard that I never heard > >thunder. I eyed a porch to duck for cover, but the bike on a side stand > >wouldn't have lasted long. I was forced to sit and hold it upright, left > >foot in a foot of rising gutter water. 10 minutes later the hurricane >was > >gone and lighter rain returned. That is the heaviest stuff I have ever > >seen live - let alone been on a bike for! > > > >_____________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > mike@XXXXXX > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 09:47:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78DlY802803 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-41-3.s3.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.41.3]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13M9jA-0005vv-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:47:32 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: statute of limitations for tickets? Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:53:07 GMT Message-ID: <39913a4a.307258644@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e78Dlr802804 Anyone know if there is a statute of limitations on tickets? or if local jurisdictions tend to take very old tickets out of the system? (7 to 9 years old) or have any experience with stuff like that? Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 11:15:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e78FF1804563 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15930 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2000 15:15:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2000 15:15:15 -0000 Message-ID: <399023BA.3EA70C79@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:14:03 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: AA DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Dale and Ricks Golden run! References: <000001c000da$21f44120$cd7eaccf@todd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > Excellent news and thanks for the update Leon. Dang that Dale! Now I want > my bbg more than ever ;-) I highly recommend I-95 and I-20 right now. Good pavement, free-flowing traffic (even the trucks are doing 75-79 mph) not much LEO enforcement. IMO, you've got to really want it to do it. The first 1250 miles were pretty easy. The last 250 sucked. :) Maybe we shouldn't have wasted the time chasing those two IBET stops (Tallapoosa and Vicksburg). :) > Congratz Dale. Thanks! I'm looking forward to hanging the BBG plate (1500 miles in 24 hours) under my other IBA license plate frame. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 11:18:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e78FIA804583 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA29479; Tue, 8 Aug 1972 11:23:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1972 11:23:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: statute of limitations for tickets? In-Reply-To: <39913a4a.307258644@smtp.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Don't know about statute of limitations for tickets---may only apply to trivial crimes like assault or theft. DC keeps records of unpaid tickets going back at least 19 years. --garcia "If you don't know where you're going, you might not get there." On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Anyone know if there is a statute of limitations on tickets? > or if local jurisdictions tend to take very old tickets out of the > system? (7 to 9 years old) > > or have any experience with stuff like that? > > Daniel > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 12:19:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e78GJk805864 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28070 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2000 16:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2000 16:19:01 -0000 Message-ID: <399032EE.F1DA16C8@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 12:18:54 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dale is on his way home References: <20000808062725.17660.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > Damn.. teach me to not read the list for a week or so... > I'm sittin here in western oklahoma at mom's house with two bikes just > itching to get out and ride even more than I already am.. weatherford > texas would have been a cinch to get over too.. or if on their way, I > woulda had a stopping place for em (and conventiently, my mom's house > is only 40 miles from an IBET stop... heading there wednesday myself! ) Darn, never thought to advertise the endpoint in Weatherford on DC cycles. I forget how we're kind of scattered all over. :) I got a real kick out of the backroads in Oklahoma and Arkansas we hit for a while on the way back home. The more I ride, the more I find places I'd never expect had good riding, and the more I wanna go back and spend quality time. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 12:30:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78GUZ806093 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:29:43 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33063000@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'DCMotoCrew'" Subject: Bike Night TONIGHT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:20:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Bike Night is tonight at Grevey's. Who is going to be there?????? Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 12:59:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e78GxY806533 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000808165823.737.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.50.80.69] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:58:23 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:58:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: dale is on his way home To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Darn, never thought to advertise the endpoint in Weatherford on > DC cycles. I forget how we're kind of scattered all over. :) > I would have missed it anyhow..last night was the first time I read the list in over a week...Eldorado is where my grandparents live and Hennessey is just over the hill from mom's house.. > I got a real kick out of the backroads in Oklahoma and Arkansas we > hit > for a while on the way back home. The more I ride, the more I find > places I'd never expect had good riding, and the more I wanna go back > and spend quality time. yep.. eastern oklahoma has some great riding through the ozark mountains... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 13:09:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78H90806771 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23784; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:07:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Mark Kitchell cc: "'DC Cycles'" , "'DCMotoCrew'" Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33063000@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Probably not me...Olney to VA is a haul on a Tues. night. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 13:10:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e78HAl806792 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 3320 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2000 10:10:39 -0700 Date: 8 Aug 2000 10:10:39 -0700 Message-ID: <20000808171039.3319.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 8 Aug 2000 17:10:39 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 08 Aug 2000 10:10:39 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.5 Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT On Tue, 08 August 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: sally and I will be. :-) > > Bike Night is tonight at Grevey's. Who is going to be there?????? > > > Mark ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 13:30:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78HUQ807200 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id i.d3.8450475 (3972); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:29:49 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:29:49 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 In a message dated 8/8/00 12:40:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > Bike Night is tonight at Grevey's. Who is going to be there?????? I'll be there :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 13:58:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78HwS807640 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA05818; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:53:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , , Cc: Subject: RE: Bike Night TONIGHT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:57:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Me too. erm... Unless it's raining that is. Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000 -----Original Message----- From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 10:30 AM To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT In a message dated 8/8/00 12:40:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > Bike Night is tonight at Grevey's. Who is going to be there?????? I'll be there :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 13:58:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78Hwt807650 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:58:08 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE3306300C@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Christopher Weaver'" , BryanRoach@XXXXXX, Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Night TONIGHT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:49:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Hoping it only rains early or not at all...... > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Weaver [SMTP:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 4:58 PM > To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX; Mkitchell@XXXXXX; > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Bike Night TONIGHT > > Me too. erm... Unless it's raining that is. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR1000 > > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 10:30 AM > To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT > > > In a message dated 8/8/00 12:40:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > > Bike Night is tonight at Grevey's. Who is going to be there?????? > > I'll be there :) > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:05:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78I5f807804 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-41-3.s3.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.41.3]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13MDko-0003P1-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:05:30 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:11:05 GMT Message-ID: <39907725.322839750@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e78I5o807805 |>Probably not me...Olney to VA is a haul on a Tues. night. Oh you're a real iron butt rider aren't you? From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:13:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e78IDq807883 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 4593 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2000 11:13:45 -0700 Date: 8 Aug 2000 11:13:45 -0700 Message-ID: <20000808181345.4592.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 8 Aug 2000 18:13:45 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 08 Aug 2000 11:13:45 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.5 Subject: RE: Bike Night TONIGHT On Tue, 08 August 2000, "Christopher Weaver" wrote: > Hope you don't mind if jeannette and I show up in our bathing suits...JUST KIDDING! Had to be a smartass. See you tonight. Laura > Me too. erm... Unless it's raining that is. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR1000 > > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 10:30 AM > To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT > > > In a message dated 8/8/00 12:40:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > > Bike Night is tonight at Grevey's. Who is going to be there?????? > > I'll be there :) > > - Roach ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:14:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78IE8807893 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19765; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 2000080814135517:97359 ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:13:55 -0400 Message-ID: <39904E67.5867B8C8@mitretek.org> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:16:08 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT References: <20000808171039.3319.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/08/2000 02:13:55 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/08/2000 02:13:56 PM, Serialize complete at 08/08/2000 02:13:56 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not I, said the cow. (NO jokes, Bill!) I'm still in this Job 1 to Job 2 transition phase (ie, I'm working BOTH), so I won't be able to show this evening. Have a blast, and I will make the 27th at Carpool! LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Tue, 08 August 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > sally and I will be. :-) > > > > Bike Night is tonight at Grevey's. Who is going to be there?????? > > > > > > Mark > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:14:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78IEL807903 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:13:40 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8692@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'LAURA GRANATO'" , chris.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Night TONIGHT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:04:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Don't mind at all. Anyone else? > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [SMTP:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 2:14 PM > To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX > Cc: BryanRoach@XXXXXX; Mkitchell@XXXXXX; > dc-cycles@XXXXXX; DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Bike Night TONIGHT > > On Tue, 08 August 2000, "Christopher Weaver" wrote: > > > Hope you don't mind if jeannette and I show up in our bathing > suits...JUST KIDDING! Had to be a smartass. See you tonight. > > Laura > > Me too. erm... Unless it's raining that is. > > > > Chris Weaver > > '98 VTR1000 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 10:30 AM > > To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Cc: DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT > > > > > > In a message dated 8/8/00 12:40:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > Bike Night is tonight at Grevey's. Who is going to be there?????? > > > > I'll be there :) > > > > - Roach > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:20:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78IJx807980 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-41-3.s3.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.41.3]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13MDym-0005uO-00; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:19:56 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: statute of limitations for tickets? Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:25:31 GMT Message-ID: <39917797.322953976@smtp.erols.com> References: <39913a4a.307258644@smtp.erols.com> In-Reply-To: <39913a4a.307258644@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e78IK2808009 I'd like to thank everyone on and off list for the replies. Maybe i can give a little more detail and solicit some even more interesting replies.. at age 17 I got my liscense. I was driving a 70's something dodge dart around in DC and the cops gave me $300 in tickets.. slight crack in the front windshield, front tag in the front window and something else related to the car. (for some reason the jerk cop didn't appreciate me driving my friends around and told me to go back to maryland.... it's not like *I* drove in an illegal manner. what a jerk.. he pulled me over before he even knew he anything to write me up on.) Same day I get pulled over in maryland for speeding. didn't pay the ticket and my liscense was supsended. SO in my brilliance (remember this was 8 or so years ago) I decide to go to VA and try to get a liscense, only to coincidentally happen through a VA police checkpoint LOL. WIthout ID, I spent some hours in the pokey and was released. Well instead of them writing me "driving on suspended" they had me up as "Driving without a liscense".. i missed that court date and the $250 fine doubled to $500. That was probably 7 years ago. That was actually a moving violation. So after that I paid my maryland fines, and have had a legal maryland liscense for a long time now. I just avoided driving in DC an VA when I could. Oddly enough though, one time DC ran my liscense through and didn't say anything, just gave me 2 warnings.. and another time, DC pulled my friend over and had me drive home. I think I showed my liscense, but not sure if they called it in. I called VA and DC years ago and it was on record, but I think i'll call back now and see what they say. Maybe i'll get lucky. I'll let you know.. I know my MD liscense has never been on hold because of any other jurisdiction.. but i'll appreciate any further input, if you have heard of similiar circumstances.. Thanks Guys Daniel "trying to avoid trouble with the LAW" :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:21:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78ILE808057 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va17-54.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.246]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00618; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39907B19.F9B21BC@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:26:49 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kristina M. Rogish" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT References: <20000808171039.3319.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <39904E67.5867B8C8@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uh, Kristina... The second bike night in August at CarPool is on the 20th. Hope you be at that one and not the one that isn't on the 27th! %^) Chuck "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > Not I, said the cow. (NO jokes, Bill!) > > I'm still in this Job 1 to Job 2 transition phase (ie, I'm working BOTH), so I > won't be able to show this evening. Have a blast, and I will make the 27th at > Carpool! From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:34:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78IYJ808285 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA437161 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399052A2.E4D9EFC0@radix.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:34:10 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: statute of limitations for tickets? References: <39913a4a.307258644@smtp.erols.com> <39917797.322953976@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX lamented: > at age 17 I got my liscense. I was driving a 70's something dodge > dart around in DC and the cops gave me $300 in tickets.. ... > Same day I get pulled over in maryland for speeding. didn't pay the > ticket and my liscense was supsended. ... probably 7 years ago. That was > actually a moving violation. > > So after that I paid my maryland fines, and have had a legal maryland > liscense for a long time now. I just avoided driving in DC an VA when > I could. ... As I said to you off list, but for other (not so) Free state residents, if you are 'Moving Violation' Free for 3 years or more - NOT ticket free, moving violation free (not all tickets are moving violations), you can EXPUNGE your driving record for FREE. It won't get done if you don't request it, AND, it will go on indefinitely if you don't expunge it. My driving record had an administrative suspension on it for 2 days ( I mailed a fine that didn't get processed in time ) & it showed up until I was 27 or 28 (happened when I was 21) I kept collecting tickets just weeks shy of the expungement deadline, & my driving record, uhh, well, let's just say spanned a couple of pages ;-) > Daniel > "trying to avoid trouble with the LAW" :) Based on all the run ins you've just listed in the previous email, it's no wonder. In my 20's, most traffic stops started off by the cop saying 'hey, don't I know you'... that's a bad thing. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:36:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flash.niaid.nih.gov (flash.niaid.nih.gov [128.231.136.26]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78Iad808372 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by flash.niaid.nih.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:36:34 -0400 Message-ID: <0CF057718479D111AEFA00A0C989933006E34046@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> From: Carsten Watzl To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: DC tax Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:36:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Hi everybody, I just moved from Maryland to DC and I guess I need to register my bike (YZF600R) now in DC. Does anybody know if I have to pay tax on the bike again? I paid tax when I bought the bike in Maryland a bit more than a year ago. And if I have to pay tax again, how much will it be and how do they determine that (I don't hope they calculate the tax on what I paid for the bike more than a year ago!). Thanks for your help, Carsten From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:42:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78IgQ808477 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-182.patriot.net [209.249.180.182]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e78IgDW22832; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:42:13 -0400 Message-ID: <399052A5.D980F320@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:34:13 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kristina M. Rogish" CC: LAURA GRANATO , Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT References: <20000808171039.3319.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <39904E67.5867B8C8@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who, me? Make a joke? The mere thought that I would is udderly ludicrious. Kristina M. Rogish wrote: > Not I, said the cow. (NO jokes, Bill!) > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:49:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78Inu808574 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-41-3.s3.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.41.3]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13MERm-0004Z4-00; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:49:54 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: statute of limitations for tickets? Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:55:29 GMT Message-ID: <39928102.325365470@smtp.erols.com> References: <39913a4a.307258644@smtp.erols.com> <39917797.322953976@smtp.erols.com> <399052A2.E4D9EFC0@radix.net> In-Reply-To: <399052A2.E4D9EFC0@radix.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e78Inw808575 |>until I was 27 or 28 (happened when I was 21) I kept collecting tickets |>just weeks shy of the expungement deadline, & my driving record, uhh, |>well, let's just say spanned a couple of pages ;-) Lol I know that luck.. that's like 2 days ago i got cuaght in the rain, (45 min away from home) but it stopped raining as i pulled into my driveway! So you've related your experience in Maryland.. let me propose this..and pick your brain. I have not had a ticket in VA in 4 years. Turns out that ticket was in 10/96. I almost havent' had a ticket in 3 years (in any district) but I just got a speeding ticket in maryland, 74 in a 65. Do you think I can file for expungement in VA sense I didn't have any tickets in VA, or is my luck about the same as yours? LOL Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:55:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78Its808670 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-182.patriot.net [209.249.180.182]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e78ItmW25145; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:55:49 -0400 Message-ID: <399055D5.9B98E494@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:47:49 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Watzl CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: DC tax References: <0CF057718479D111AEFA00A0C989933006E34046@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeppers, I bet you do. It's not "sales tax", it's "title tax". Calculation based on a mysterious blue book value. I'm not sure if MD requires their notorious one-time inspection for bikes, but on cars that little detail if a mega-buck hit. Bill Carsten Watzl wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I just moved from Maryland to DC and I guess I need to register my bike > (YZF600R) now in DC. > Does anybody know if I have to pay tax on the bike again? I paid tax when I > bought the bike in Maryland a bit more than a year ago. > And if I have to pay tax again, how much will it be and how do they > determine that (I don't hope they calculate the tax on what I paid for the > bike more than a year ago!). > > Thanks for your help, > > Carsten From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:56:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78Iuo808680 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA435865 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399057EB.92EFDEAE@radix.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:56:43 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: statute of limitations for tickets? References: <39913a4a.307258644@smtp.erols.com> <39917797.322953976@smtp.erols.com> <399052A2.E4D9EFC0@radix.net> <39928102.325365470@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Lol I know that luck.. that's like 2 days ago i got cuaght in the > rain, (45 min away from home) but it stopped raining as i pulled into > my driveway! > > So you've related your experience in Maryland.. let me propose > this..and pick your brain. Watch it Mister. this is a family list... > I have not had a ticket in VA in 4 years. > Turns out that ticket was in 10/96. I almost havent' had a ticket in > 3 years (in any district) Expungement will only work in the state you are licensed to drive in ; your home state... there are some military exceptions - very complex. > but I just got a speeding ticket in > maryland, 74 in a 65. Just got or just got convicted of ? Convictions are what counts. If your record looks half as bad as mine did when I was 25, & you're staring down the barrel of another conviction, get a lawyer - 9 over isn't considered evil, you could double the fine & plead to an inspection (non moving) violation . > Do you think I can file for expungement in VA > sense I didn't have any tickets in VA, or is my luck about the same as > yours? LOL Sounds like your luck is like mine. But, if you get a clean record, you can revisit insurance rates, & probably save hundreds of dollars / year ( I saved $900 / year on just my cage policy 1 month after expungement )... YMMV. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:59:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78Ixf808758 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-215-144.s398.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.215.144] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13MEb5-00001P-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:59:34 -0400 Message-ID: <00bf01c0016a$4fdb30e0$4ed93ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <0CF057718479D111AEFA00A0C989933006E34046@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> Subject: Re: DC tax Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:55:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 As far as I can remember you don't have to pay title transfer tax unless the ownership is changing hands. Transferring your registration from another state (or should I say _a_ state) doesn't require payment of the tax, only a small fee for issuing a DC title, but it's been several years since we moved from Virginia, so my memory may be hazy. When I bought my bike, however, I definitely had to pay, since ownership was changing. It was 3% (I think) and the clerk looked up the value in the "blue book." Sale price listed on the old title or bill of sale doesn't seem to matter. Important note: on your first visit to C St. NW, they will only give you a 30-day temp tag, for a nominal charge, of course. You need to get the bike inspected down on Half St. SW and then return to C St. to get your new title and tags. Of course, you can't do _any_ of this until you have a valid DC operator's license, which requires all sorts of documents, including _two_ proofs of DC residency (gas bill, pay stub, apt. lease, etc.), your old license and proof of your Social Security Number. Don't even bother going down there until you have all the documents, otherwise you're wasting your time. There is no finessing things through there. I did hear that DWV now accepts credit cards? It used to be cash or check. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC DC DMV veteran 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Carsten Watzl To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 2:36 PM Subject: DC tax > Hi everybody, > > I just moved from Maryland to DC and I guess I need to register my bike > (YZF600R) now in DC. > Does anybody know if I have to pay tax on the bike again? I paid tax when I > bought the bike in Maryland a bit more than a year ago. > And if I have to pay tax again, how much will it be and how do they > determine that (I don't hope they calculate the tax on what I paid for the > bike more than a year ago!). > > Thanks for your help, > > Carsten > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 15:23:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78JN2809173 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008081923.e78JN2809173@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 1.a3.9c20156 (15874); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web43.aolmail.aol.com (web43.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.4]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:21:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:21:12 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT To: , Cc: , , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown It is utterly ridiculous that anyone would make a joke on this list. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Tue, 8 Aug 2000 2:44:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bill Huson writes: << Who, me? Make a joke? The mere thought that I would is udderly ludicrious. Kristina M. Rogish wrote: > Not I, said the cow. (NO jokes, Bill!) > >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 15:49:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78JnF809584 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-41-3.s3.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.41.3]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13MFN9-0007HG-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:49:11 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: statute of limitations for tickets? Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:54:46 GMT Message-ID: <39958fad.329120400@smtp.erols.com> References: <39913a4a.307258644@smtp.erols.com> <39917797.322953976@smtp.erols.com> <399052A2.E4D9EFC0@radix.net> <39928102.325365470@smtp.erols.com> <399057EB.92EFDEAE@radix.net> In-Reply-To: <399057EB.92EFDEAE@radix.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e78JnT809585 |> Watch it Mister. this is a family list... Are you sure about that? i've seen some pretty crude stuff! hehe |> Expungement will only work in the state you are licensed to drive in ; Figures so it woudln't do me any good. (for this application) |>> but I just got a speeding ticket in |>> maryland, 74 in a 65. |> |> Just got or just got convicted of ? Convictions are what counts. If |>your record looks half as bad as mine did when I was 25, & you're Convicted of. It went a little something like this. A friend and I took two passengers to the innerharbor on a double date. we did about 75 up there. It was cool that evening and my passenger wanted to go home a little faster than we came... so about 12:30 a.m or so we are heading back and the cop pulls us over. Paced us doing 95 mph. he wrote it up for an 84 in a 65. We go to howard county court. We prepare to plead our cases (guilty) and throw ourself on the mercy fo the court. We were prepared to say how it was late traffic was light and we were just trying to get home, full leathers, MSF safety course, all this and that.. so we go to court... and the judge is letting people off easy left and right... so we decide to STFU and go with the flow. Just say guilty and let us roll through like everyone else. ANd we did.."how do you plead" "guilty" "do you have anything you want to add?".. "no sir"... "based on your driving record i'm going to reduce this to a 74 in a 65. court costs will be blah blah..Next...." That's not so bad :) And here we thought we were gonna get our pants set on fire hehe. I like how they work up there.. efficient, lienient, and collect their money :) Too bad they go after speeders and not weavers or distracted drivers.. oh well. |>staring down the barrel of another conviction, get a lawyer - 9 over |>isn't considered evil, you could double the fine & plead to an |>inspection (non moving) violation . I'll be looking into a VA lawyer. VA said my fines are now $750 with interest. Maybe a lawyer can do somethign for me.. |> Sounds like your luck is like mine. But, if you get a clean record, |>you can revisit insurance rates, & probably save hundreds of dollars / |>year ( I saved $900 / year on just my cage policy 1 month after |>expungement )... YMMV. I have no complaints about my insurance.. prior to this one ticket, i haven't had one in 3 years. I pay $250 a year liability only for 6 months on my car, and about the same for a year on my 95 zx6r full coverage. State farm ROCKS. i'm afraid to see how much a new bike would run me though :) Luckily i'm over 25, have good credit and a mostly clean driving history. I just would like to come to bike night occasionally without havign to worry about going to the pokey. : ) Needless to say i'll avoid this up coming one. hehe. thanks for the input :) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 15:58:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hgsi.com (firewall-user@XXXXXX [192.239.53.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78Jwr809749 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hgsi.com; id PAA28006; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(192.239.52.27) by biotin.hgsi.com via smap (V5.5) id xma027956; Tue, 8 Aug 00 15:58:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 Message-ID: From: Devon_Weide@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:58:27 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mozart/Hgsi(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 08/08/2000 03:58:28 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You jokesters should be punnished! Punnalized and sent to the Punnetentiary! -Devon ScooterFZR@ao l.com To: , 08/08/2000 cc: , 03:21 PM , , Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT It is utterly ridiculous that anyone would make a joke on this list. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Tue, 8 Aug 2000 2:44:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bill Huson writes: << Who, me? Make a joke? The mere thought that I would is udderly ludicrious. Kristina M. Rogish wrote: > Not I, said the cow. (NO jokes, Bill!) > >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 16:08:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78K8l809915 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va17-54.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.246]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05341 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3990944C.AA7E43AE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:14:20 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Pitbull rear stand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A little while back, I think someone on the list was selling a Pitbull rear stand. Still available and for sale? If so, how much? I'm interested. Thanx! Chuck From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 16:35:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e78KYs810317 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000808203426.28966.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.209] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 13:34:26 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:34:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Pitbull rear stand To: Chuck Pena , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sorry...i sold it for $100 some time ago fast lane cycles in chantilly sells them new for $140 --- Chuck Pena wrote: > A little while back, I think someone on the list was > selling a Pitbull > rear stand. Still available and for sale? If so, > how much? I'm > interested. Thanx! > > Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 16:42:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78Kfr810399 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e78Kf6S15351 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:41:07 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: Bike Night TONIGHT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:41:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c00178$f7c72260$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal This thread doesn't receive your cowtenance? ;) Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Devon_Weide@XXXXXX [mailto:Devon_Weide@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 3:58 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT You jokesters should be punnished! Punnalized and sent to the Punnetentiary! -Devon ScooterFZR@ao l.com To: , 08/08/2000 cc: , 03:21 PM , , Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT It is utterly ridiculous that anyone would make a joke on this list. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Tue, 8 Aug 2000 2:44:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bill Huson writes: << Who, me? Make a joke? The mere thought that I would is udderly ludicrious. Kristina M. Rogish wrote: > Not I, said the cow. (NO jokes, Bill!) > >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 17:14:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78LEM810971 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id i.e6.94a3c88 (4569); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:10:41 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:10:41 EDT Subject: Email address To: ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX, abolt06@XXXXXX, kall@XXXXXX, AReed@XXXXXX, edscca@XXXXXX, GBarber433@XXXXXX, abell@XXXXXX, maraber@XXXXXX, SuzBoyer@XXXXXX, mb@XXXXXX, tim.brown@XXXXXX, DCCALD@XXXXXX, christopher.cappalo@XXXXXX, TOODYBEAR@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, conniec@XXXXXX, rclairmont@XXXXXX, LMCMONT@XXXXXX, sharee.coleman@XXXXXX, David.Collins@XXXXXX, gail.crawford@XXXXXX, dankenney@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, desaip@XXXXXX, sdewey@XXXXXX, dfritsch@XXXXXX, Dunlap_WH@XXXXXX, kathyd@XXXXXX, JimEpting@XXXXXX, jfennelly@XXXXXX, sean.ferry@XXXXXX, paul.feuerstein@XXXXXX, John.J.Fisher@XXXXXX, Gmars@XXXXXX, peterg@XXXXXX, hpinc@XXXXXX, hahart@XXXXXX, danhaube@XXXXXX, gordon.hesse@XXXXXX, suesocold@XXXXXX, jennifer.l.hobbs@XXXXXX, dh46245@XXXXXX, joyce.holscher@XXXXXX, hondariders@XXXXXX, marc.jacobini@XXXXXX, brent.jacocks@XXXXXX, JayLFrye@XXXXXX, jzcohlmann@XXXXXX, JimJacks@XXXXXX, may.lai@XXXXXX, blasalle@XXXXXX, christie.leiser@XXXXXX, RacerStev@XXXXXX, gslorenz@XXXXXX, Bruce32905@XXXXXX, kevin.magee@XXXXXX, bob.malkin@XXXXXX, Lordorange@XXXXXX, Marymadog@XXXXXX, mattison@XXXXXX, rmaund@XXXXXX, edward.mcglennen@XXXXXX, E3mck@XXXXXX, gmckeithen@XXXXXX, nancy.mckeithen@XXXXXX, shellga@XXXXXX, Gwenm@XXXXXX, lynn.mcknight@XXXXXX, charles.mclemore@XXXXXX, smcpeak@XXXXXX, glenn.moore@XXXXXX, motoguzzi@XXXXXX, nistsj@XXXXXX, nomad98@XXXXXX, jjcabin@XXXXXX, kenhpayson@XXXXXX, jphilips@XXXXXX, Altsol@XXXXXX, ppommer@XXXXXX, conchfritter@XXXXXX, CharlieR@XXXXXX, mike.g.riley@XXXXXX, Rick_Royer@XXXXXX, IMALRT2@XXXXXX, ghsimmons@XXXXXX, pjsimpson@XXXXXX, PamelaFayeSmith@XXXXXX, jeff@XXXXXX, dave@XXXXXX, timothy.tarr@XXXXXX, TTEWS@XXXXXX, evilcotgrevil@XXXXXX, FFCRACE@XXXXXX, zbig@XXXXXX, vhu@XXXXXX, NJitzul@XXXXXX, lwalton@XXXXXX, Kevrep96@XXXXXX, barbara.wassell@XXXXXX, jwatts@XXXXXX, wheeltowheel@XXXXXX, joseph.zohlmann@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Contrary to what you may have heard, our e-mail address is still mckeithen@XXXXXX. AOL had a little hiccup. If you have sent anything to this address in the last two days please resend. Bob/Nancy From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 17:15:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78LFo811043 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e78L6fh02913 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2324 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2000 21:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2000 21:05:00 -0000 Message-ID: <399075F4.F22DF8ED@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:04:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33063000@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Bike Night is tonight at Grevey's. Who is going to be there?????? > > Mark Tracy and I will be there. See ya! Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 17:17:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from boo-mda02.boo.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [216.200.67.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78LGu811068 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boo.net (ppp-boonet2-38.boo.net [208.184.99.38]) by boo-mda02.boo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08816 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:16:37 -0400 Message-ID: <39907693.1617508D@boo.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:07:31 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: bike night? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what time does it start??? thanks!! jay From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 17:42:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash2.flashmail.com [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e78Lfm811427 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26293 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2000 21:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2000 21:41:43 -0000 Message-ID: <39907E49.1399C537@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:40:25 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jay Goddard CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: bike night? References: <39907693.1617508D@boo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jay Goddard wrote: > > what time does it start??? > > thanks!! > jay 7pm. http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 08:18:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79CI3826614 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-41-3.s3.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.41.3]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13MUo3-0003xj-00; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 08:18:00 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Chuck Pena Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Pitbull rear stand Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:23:35 GMT Message-ID: <399376fb.388343060@smtp.erols.com> References: <3990944C.AA7E43AE@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <3990944C.AA7E43AE@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e79CIn826615 I have a lockheart phillips / muzzy rear wheel stand. You can have it for $100. It lifts the swing arm up. I think it works for most sportbikes. Let me know if you're interested. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 09:11:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f66.hotmail.com [209.185.131.129]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79DBF827351 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 06:11:06 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: ASKARDLIFE@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PC800: A-bit offended... Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:11:06 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2000 13:11:06.0653 (UTC) FILETIME=[470C74D0:01C00203] Hmmmmm...I'm sorry you feel this way. Sure there are some folks who've equiped a bike worth only $5,000 or less with equipment worth $1,500 or more. But I like to hear about how the "rich" are equiping their bikes -- better for them to experiment with their money than me with mine! Plus there have been many ideas/items that I've heard about on the list that I can afford -- like velcroing a $100 Sony Walkman to the speaker panel for tunes. As for your statement about not being able to afford decent riding apparal... I'm sure your being penny wise and pound foolish. You don't have to spend $600-$1000 for a decent suit. There are decent protective leather riding jackets for $150-300 and protective pants for $150 -- you need to look for late season sales and search the Internet. Add a rain suit for less than $50. Add a pair of Wall-mart boots and $30 gloves and you're done. You already have the helmet. You don't have to get it all at once, but you should. Have you ever really dumped your bike? If you had, you'd know that if you can't afford to buy good protective gear, you shouldn't be riding the bike. Not to be too descriptive, but road rash really, really, really, really hurts. Even more so is the process of picking out the little stones from your skin at the emergency room. Think about it..... >Well lister's, > I have been biting my tongue for sometime now. I will no longer stay >silent. My beef... I am tired of hearing how, if you don't have the proper >riding gear. blah blah blah...you could have been hurt less or not at all >with the gear on. Well, let me tell ya...your right! I would love to own >the >gear you all speak so highly of. However, I feel some of you must make a >great deal of money to afford the Luxury of owning great riding apparel. I >to >wish I could get an aerostich jacket and pants. I am envious and saddened >by >the disrespect of the common rider. My 2-Cents >that was in my Bluejean pocket's... I even wear a helmet! >-TODD >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@XXXXXX. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@XXXXXX. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 09:20:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.mail.yahoo.com (smtp2.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79DKM827568 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sp4-1-242.mgfairfax.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.163.122.242) by smtp2.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2000 13:20:18 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Lin_Tan" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: bike night thanks Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:20:18 -0400 Message-ID: <002201c00204$90477220$f27aa318@ltanner.cox.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Thanks for another great bike night!! Lots of new names and faces. Keep it up. LindaT. Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 09:25:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79DPh827581 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 21396 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2000 06:25:35 -0700 Date: 9 Aug 2000 06:25:35 -0700 Message-ID: <20000809132535.21395.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 9 Aug 2000 13:25:35 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 09 Aug 2000 06:25:35 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.5 Subject: buzz killer!!!! Well, after bike night was over (it was a blast!!!) I headed out to PJ Skidoos with Roach and two other guys (not sure if they are on the list, don't think so)...we all pull up in front of the bar, park the bikes, and go inside. About 30 minutes later some guy comes in and asks "who has the yellow GS? some chic just hit it with her car and it went down." Being the hot blooded Italian I am, I was pissed, but being the nice person I am felt bad for the chic (although I shouldn't have b/c the guy said she tried to bolt after hitting my bike and he caught up with her). Damage: Bar-end mirror (saved me from replacing the brake lever AGAIN!), scratched transmission cover. All in all, not too bad, but it definitely didn't end my night the way I would have liked it to. Thanks to Roach and Corbett for helping me out! Much appreciated. :-) Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 09:32:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79DWl827777 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 21497 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2000 06:32:40 -0700 Date: 9 Aug 2000 06:32:40 -0700 Message-ID: <20000809133240.21496.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 9 Aug 2000 13:32:40 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 09 Aug 2000 06:32:40 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX;, smeyer@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.5 Subject: Saturday's relaxed ride hey everyone! It sounds like Saturday's ride is going to be a blast. Once again, I'm hoping to see some new people at this ride, so if you've been unsure about a DC-Cycles ride before, this is the one for you! Nice and relaxed...I promise! We're going to organize it so Michelle and I lead the first group and will leave about 10 minutes prior to the second group. Chuck will lead the second group, therefore he will be the sweep for the first group...also, having Chuck lead the second group means he won't be able to go any faster than the first group. lol. Rob Keiser will sweep for the entire ride. We also need to get an idea of how many people think they'll be stopping for the brunch, too. So let me know. We'll have ride sheets on Saturday, but for this ride, only the two group leaders should need them because we won't be going fast enough to lose anyone. ;-) Here's the plan; we'll all meet at 9:30 am, aiming to leave NLT 10 or so at: the Java Shack 2507 N. Franklin Rd. in Arlington (703) 527-9556 http://www.javashack.com. It's basically at the 3-way intersection of Wilson Blvd., N. Barton, and N. Franklin. if you need directions to the java shack, e-mail Chuck. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 09:33:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79DXM827791 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id l.ac.8e924ee (7042); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:32:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:32:49 EDT Subject: Re: Pitbull rear stand To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 If you go to www.kowatools.com you will find a number of stands available. They were on sale recently and may still be. I purchased a front and a rear stand for about $130 for both. These stands are heavy-duty and are the red stands you may have seen used by some of the WSB teams on TV. Kowa Tools doesn't advertise much outside the racing community so they are not well known. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 09:35:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79DZX827896 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04198; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:35:23 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000809093325.00a229c0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:35:22 -0400 To: LAURA GRANATO From: Troutman Subject: Re: buzz killer!!!! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20000809132535.21395.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed That REALLY sucks. Did you harass her for trying to hit and run? Did you call the cops or just do insurance swap? Was she drunk or just a typical female driver? (haha) I couldn't make bike night yet again - had a softball game downtown. Maybe the next one..... At 09:25 AM 8/9/00 , LAURA GRANATO wrote: >Being the hot blooded Italian I am, I was pissed, but being the nice >person I am felt bad for the chic (although I shouldn't have b/c the guy >said she tried to bolt after hitting my bike and he caught up with her). > >Damage: Bar-end mirror (saved me from replacing the brake lever AGAIN!), >scratched transmission cover. > >All in all, not too bad, but it definitely didn't end my night the way I >would have liked it to. Thanks to Roach and Corbett for helping me >out! Much appreciated. :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 09:37:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79DbC827915 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11225; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000809093741.009f3660@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:38:26 -0400 To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: buzz killer!!!! In-Reply-To: <20000809132535.21395.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You were able to ride it home, right? Sorry that happened. Too bad she didn't run, then you guys could've caught up with her and... heh heh - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 06:25 AM 8/9/00 -0700, LAURA GRANATO wrote: >Well, after bike night was over (it was a blast!!!) I headed out to PJ >Skidoos with Roach and two other guys (not sure if they are on the list, >don't think so)...we all pull up in front of the bar, park the bikes, and go >inside. About 30 minutes later some guy comes in and asks "who has the >yellow GS? some chic just hit it with her car and it went down." > >Being the hot blooded Italian I am, I was pissed, but being the nice person >I am felt bad for the chic (although I shouldn't have b/c the guy said she >tried to bolt after hitting my bike and he caught up with her). > >Damage: Bar-end mirror (saved me from replacing the brake lever AGAIN!), >scratched transmission cover. > >All in all, not too bad, but it definitely didn't end my night the way I >would have liked it to. Thanks to Roach and Corbett for helping me out! >Much appreciated. :-) > >Laura Granato >'99 Suzuki GS500 > > >________________________________________________ >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 09:41:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79Df3827946 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 21553 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2000 06:40:39 -0700 Date: 9 Aug 2000 06:40:39 -0700 Message-ID: <20000809134039.21552.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 9 Aug 2000 13:40:39 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 09 Aug 2000 06:40:39 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: mike@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.5 Subject: Re: buzz killer!!!! On Wed, 09 August 2000, Troutman wrote: i was a lot calmer than I thought I would have been, but I felt bad for her. Roach and Corbett took care of the harassing part ;-) We didn't have our bikes parked in spots, so cops wouldn't have done much for me...but since I wasn't exactly thinking clearly, the chic was so scared I should have told her I was going to call the cops. I took the high road...karma, you know... I think she was part drunk, part just stupid ass chic. > > That REALLY sucks. Did you harass her for trying to hit and run? Did you > call the cops or just do insurance swap? Was she drunk or just a typical > female driver? > > (haha) > > I couldn't make bike night yet again - had a softball game downtown. Maybe > the next one..... > > At 09:25 AM 8/9/00 , LAURA GRANATO wrote: > >Being the hot blooded Italian I am, I was pissed, but being the nice > >person I am felt bad for the chic (although I shouldn't have b/c the guy > >said she tried to bolt after hitting my bike and he caught up with her). > > > >Damage: Bar-end mirror (saved me from replacing the brake lever AGAIN!), > >scratched transmission cover. > > > >All in all, not too bad, but it definitely didn't end my night the way I > >would have liked it to. Thanks to Roach and Corbett for helping me > >out! Much appreciated. :-) > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > More miles than I can shake a squid at. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 09:42:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79Dfx827949 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10421 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00771 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04223 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:41:04 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000809094050.00cbf590@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:41:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Shhhhhh Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed ftp://www.troutman.org/pub/motorcycle-stuff/hells_librarians.gif ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 09:43:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79DhQ828033 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-125.patriot.net [209.249.180.125]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e79DgUW04738; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:42:30 -0400 Message-ID: <39915DE5.408C40BE@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:34:29 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: buzz killer!!!! References: <20000809132535.21395.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You shouldn't feel the least bit sorry for a chic with load on *hic* who trashes your bike and then tries to flee the scene. Bust her insured ass for every frigging dime it costs you to fix the bike. Bill LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Well, after bike night was over (it was a blast!!!) I headed out to PJ Skidoos with Roach and two other guys (not sure if they are on the list, don't think so)...we all pull up in front of the bar, park the bikes, and go inside. About 30 minutes later some guy comes in and asks "who has the yellow GS? some chic just hit it with her car and it went down." > > Being the hot blooded Italian I am, I was pissed, but being the nice person I am felt bad for the chic (although I shouldn't have b/c the guy said she tried to bolt after hitting my bike and he caught up with her). > > Damage: Bar-end mirror (saved me from replacing the brake lever AGAIN!), scratched transmission cover. > > All in all, not too bad, but it definitely didn't end my night the way I would have liked it to. Thanks to Roach and Corbett for helping me out! Much appreciated. :-) > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 10:29:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79ETX828802 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-27.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.219]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14056; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3991964E.EC2CC846@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:35:10 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: buzz killer!!!! References: <20000809132535.21395.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura, Total bummer. Definitely NOT the way to end a Bike Night. Glad to hear the damage wasn't more extensive. Hope you (or Roach or Corbett) read the chic the riot act. Chuck LAURA GRANATO wrote : > > Well, after bike night was over (it was a blast!!!) I headed out to PJ Skidoos with Roach and two other guys (not sure if they are on the list, don't think so)...we all pull up in front of the bar, park the bikes, and go inside. About 30 minutes later some guy comes in and asks "who has the yellow GS? some chic just hit it with her car and it went down." From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 11:12:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79FC3829892 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:11:20 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86A4@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Chuck Pena'" , LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: buzz killer!!!! Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:02:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain By the way....... CHICK is a girl Chic is french fashion! Mark, loving chicks and chic chicks > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 1:35 PM > To: LAURA GRANATO > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: buzz killer!!!! > > Laura, > > Total bummer. Definitely NOT the way to end a Bike Night. Glad to hear > the damage wasn't more extensive. Hope you (or Roach or Corbett) read > the chic the riot act. > > Chuck > > LAURA GRANATO wrote : > > > > Well, after bike night was over (it was a blast!!!) I headed out to PJ > Skidoos with Roach and two other guys (not sure if they are on the list, > don't think so)...we all pull up in front of the bar, park the bikes, and > go inside. About 30 minutes later some guy comes in and asks "who has the > yellow GS? some chic just hit it with her car and it went down." From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 11:21:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f40.hotmail.com [216.32.181.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79FL5800357 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:20:57 -0700 Received: from 208.36.208.2 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.36.208.2] From: "Kewl GT" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tire Change Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:20:56 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2000 15:20:57.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A828000:01C00215] I am sure this question has been asked many times before so whats one more time. I need to change the back tire on my Yamaha YZF600, where in Northern VA/DC can I go to quickly and painlessly get the tire changed? I already know of Powerride Motor sports. Any recommendations on a good tire for an YZF600? Regards Sanath ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 11:21:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79FLL800373 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 177 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2000 08:21:13 -0700 Date: 9 Aug 2000 08:21:13 -0700 Message-ID: <20000809152113.176.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 9 Aug 2000 15:21:13 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 09 Aug 2000 08:21:13 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.5 Subject: RE: buzz killer!!!! On Wed, 09 August 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: busting on the editor...damn! guess i'll have to start editing my own e-mails. ;-) > > By the way....... > > CHICK is a girl > Chic is french fashion! > > Mark, loving chicks and chic chicks > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chuck Pena [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 1:35 PM > > To: LAURA GRANATO > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: buzz killer!!!! > > > > Laura, > > > > Total bummer. Definitely NOT the way to end a Bike Night. Glad to hear > > the damage wasn't more extensive. Hope you (or Roach or Corbett) read > > the chic the riot act. > > > > Chuck > > > > LAURA GRANATO wrote : > > > > > > Well, after bike night was over (it was a blast!!!) I headed out to PJ > > Skidoos with Roach and two other guys (not sure if they are on the list, > > don't think so)...we all pull up in front of the bar, park the bikes, and > > go inside. About 30 minutes later some guy comes in and asks "who has the > > yellow GS? some chic just hit it with her car and it went down." ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 11:40:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79Few800672 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000809154046.24270.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.172] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 08:40:46 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:40:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tire Change To: Kewl GT , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Kewl GT wrote: > Any recommendations on a good tire for a YZF600? this absolutely depends upon what type of riding you do please give us some more info -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 12:03:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f183.hotmail.com [216.32.181.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79G3E801087 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:00:03 -0700 Received: from 208.36.208.2 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.36.208.2] From: "Kewl GT" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Change Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:00:03 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2000 16:00:03.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0F45C90:01C0021A] The kind of riding I do is the typical DC Cycles rides. Lots of twisties and some high-speed runs. I am not necessarily looking for race type tires but a good sticky street tire. Thanks for the help Sanath >From: Tom Gimer >To: Kewl GT , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Tire Change >Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:40:46 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Kewl GT wrote: > > Any recommendations on a good tire for a YZF600? > >this absolutely depends upon what type of riding you >do > >please give us some more info > > >-- >tg > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. >http://invites.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 12:11:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79GBS801221 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000809161121.16563.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.172] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:11:21 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:11:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tire Change To: Kewl GT , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Kewl GT wrote: > The kind of riding I do is the typical DC Cycles > rides. Lots of twisties and > some high-speed runs. I am not necessarily looking > for race type tires but a > good sticky street tire. excellent sticky street tires: Dunlop D207 Michelin Streetpilot Bridgestone BT56SS Metzeler ME Z1/Z2/Z3/Z4 i'd say they are all equally excellent, and it just depends on the profile you want: -Dunlops are more triangular -Metzeler and Michelins are more round -haven't used the Bridgestones, but have heard good things about them (including price)... -dual compound tires (such as the ME Z4) last longer and are better for those who commute during the week and hit the mountains on the weekends -if i were you, i'd replace both tires now and put the half-used front in the garage as a spare....but that's just me > >From: Tom Gimer > >To: Kewl GT , > >--- Kewl GT wrote: > > > Any recommendations on a good tire for a YZF600? > > > >this absolutely depends upon what type of riding > >you do > > > >please give us some more info __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 12:17:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79GH6801385 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:15:26 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Tire Change Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:24:26 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 Sannath Wrote: I need to change the back tire on my Yamaha YZF600, where in Northern VA/DC can I go to quickly and painlessly get the tire changed? I already know of Powerride Motor sports. Powerride would be the most painful place to go (at least as far as your wallet goes). Try Fastlane, Cycle Sport, crossroad. You can save lots of time and $ by showing up with a wheel instead of a bike. Any recommendations on a good tire for an YZF600? If you're only changing the rear, get the tire that matches the front. Odd combos sometimes work OK, sometimes give very strange handling characteristics. Not really worth finding out the hard way. Consensus seems to be Dunlop D207 or Bridgestone BT56SS. Both relatively cheap and long lasting with plenty of grip. I can tell you firsthand that a bridgestone front and dunlop rear was not good on my ZX9. I haven't really heard of anyone really disliking any of the latest sportbike rubber. So, it all comes down to $ really. Find a deal and go with it. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 12:20:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79GKh801472 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA611972 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399184C8.39D27B6B@radix.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:20:24 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: buzz killer!!!! References: <20000809152113.176.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > On Wed, 09 August 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > busting on the editor...damn! guess i'll have to start editing my own e-mails. ;-) How about we adopt synonyms > > > > CHICK is a girl how 'bout Dame, babe, honey, broad, or toots ? just to avoid any further confusion ;-) > > Chic is french fashion! Sheikh sp(?) is not... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 13:02:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79H22802194 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000809170155.27006.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.172] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:01:55 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:01:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Attn: Dave Yates.... re: expungement To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii dave: i'm looking to expunge, to the extent possible, my driving record in md. -- and if i remember correctly, md. is your home state how did you go about this? location, forms, timing, etc. tyvmia -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 13:14:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79HEa802370 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.22.9ad58cf (4333) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:14:18 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <22.9ad58cf.26c2eb6a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:14:18 EDT Subject: WARNING: SEVERE STORM INBOUND To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Anyone who rode into work... you might want to think about bailing out fairly soon, or waiting till later. There is a severe thunderstorm headed this way, high-winds, hail, the whole nine yards. The radar image is pretty nasty as it's WAY red. This has been a public service announcement :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 13:15:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79HFB802447 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00216 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:15:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Weather Information (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This came off of a bicycle mailing list, but is relevent for us as well. There's a button "click here for hourly forecasts." I do not guarantee the accuracy of these forecasts... --------------------------------- (This information was originally posted on the DCBIKE mailing list:) AccuWeather has an upgraded free Web site that provides their forecasts, as well as those from the Natl Weather Service. Their own forecasts include hourly predictions for the next 8 hours or so, which might come in handy for ride planning. The URL is: http://www.accuweather.com/adcbin/hbh_local?nav=home&metric=0 You need to put in your ZIP code initially to get your local forecast. HTH, Rich -- Rich Gibbs Rich.Gibbs@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 13:21:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79HL5802526 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:19:29 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86AF@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Harleys Suck?? Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:10:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain >From Sonny Barger, THE Hells Angel: But the most controversial part of the book comes when Barger utters the biker equivalent of blasphemy: He denounces Harleys. "In terms of pure workmanship, personally I don't like Harleys," he writes. "I ride them because I'm in the club and that's the image, but if I could I would seriously consider riding a Honda ST1100 or a BMW. . . . Japanese bikes today are so much cheaper and better built." That statement is, one biker magazine suggested, "as shocking as Hugh Hefner advocating celibacy." Complete article at: http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59009-2000Aug8.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 13:27:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79HRE802622 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA605873; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3991945E.C788E36C@radix.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:26:54 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Attn: Dave Yates.... re: expungement References: <20000809170155.27006.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > > dave: > i'm looking to expunge, More info than I needed there, Tom ;-) > to the extent possible, my > driving record in md. OH, expunge your driving record. oops. -- and if i remember correctly, > md. is your home state Yeah, but I'm working on it :-) > > how did you go about this? location, forms, timing, > etc. Easy, go to ANY MVA in MD. You *may* be able to bypass the obligatory 30 minute wait at the information line & go to the forms table & find the form, but don't count on it... it reads something like '...request to expunge MD driving record...'. If you KNOW that you have no moving violations(convictions that is) in the past 3 years, your cool. If you're unsure, get a non certified copy of your driving record ($12.00) to be sure. Fill out the form & hand it in. In about 4 - 6 weeks they'll notify you one way or the other. If you have a ticket pending trial, but no conviction, they ask about that on the form, & will hold your expungement request until the ticket is disposed of. Once you get the response from the MVA, if they did expunge your driving record, get another copy of your driving record & commence shopping for insurance. If you're ticket & accident free for the past 3 years, and you're willing to perhaps shift homeowners, bike etc coverage, you can save some real dough. Don't just call one agent from different companies either, I called a 2nd Allstate agent after the 1st one wouldn't cover my Cobra. I not only got it covered, I got it at $300.00 less than the closest other quote. One caveat ; if you're insured by Maryland Automobile Insurance Fund or an 'indemnity' risk policy, getting a regular (read : inexpensive ) policy will be very difficult. Legally, with a clean record they are supposed to offer you a regular policy, but typically, agents won't do it ' you have a risk policy & we don't cover ... on risk policies'. If you run into this, get on someone else's policy for a year or so then you should be good. HTH & ywvm ! -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 13:28:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79HSR802633 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.c4.79b86d4 (4333) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:27:29 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:27:28 EDT Subject: Re: Harleys Suck?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Too funny, isn't it? I keep meaning to pick up his book... could be an interesting read. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 13:29:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79HTm802643 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA17228; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000809133028.00a23630@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:31:02 -0400 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: WARNING: SEVERE STORM INBOUND In-Reply-To: <22.9ad58cf.26c2eb6a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think I'm the jinx. Didn't ride in yesterday, it was nice. Rode in today... ugh. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 01:14 PM 8/9/00 -0400, BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > >Anyone who rode into work... you might want to think about bailing out fairly >soon, or waiting till later. > >There is a severe thunderstorm headed this way, high-winds, hail, the whole >nine yards. The radar image is pretty nasty as it's WAY red. > >This has been a public service announcement :) > >- Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 13:36:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79HZt802839 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17408 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2000 17:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2000 17:36:11 -0000 Message-ID: <39919642.1719E797@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:34:58 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Harleys Suck?? References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86AF@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > > That statement is, one biker magazine suggested, "as shocking as Hugh Hefner > advocating celibacy." More like Hugh Hefner advocating normal, average-looking women without silicone. Which one requires less maintenance? :) That's probably the only thing Sonny and I happen to agree on. > Complete article at: > http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59009-2000Aug8.html -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 13:36:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79HaT802849 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.aa.8ffa1dc (4333) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:36:13 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:36:12 EDT Subject: Re: Weather Information (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 8/9/00 1:30:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, berman@XXXXXX writes: > This came off of a bicycle mailing list, but is relevent for us as > well. There's a button "click here for hourly forecasts." I do not > guarantee the accuracy of these forecasts... I just downloaded this nifty weather thing that NBC4 does... runs on your PC, gives you local weather, radar, forecasts, warnings, etc, all real-time - http://weatherbug.nbc4.com/default.asp?cid=9 - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 13:44:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79Hin802981 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:43:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: berman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Weather Information (fwd) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:43:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm not seeing it. What's the deal? Check out this for weather: http://www.intellicast.com/LocalWeather/World/UnitedStates/MidAtlantic/Maryl and/WashingtonDC/RadarLoop/ Looks like nothing's really going to hit before 6, no? /Erik -----Original Message----- From: Morris Berman [mailto:berman@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 1:15 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Weather Information (fwd) This came off of a bicycle mailing list, but is relevent for us as well. There's a button "click here for hourly forecasts." I do not guarantee the accuracy of these forecasts... --------------------------------- (This information was originally posted on the DCBIKE mailing list:) AccuWeather has an upgraded free Web site that provides their forecasts, as well as those from the Natl Weather Service. Their own forecasts include hourly predictions for the next 8 hours or so, which might come in handy for ride planning. The URL is: http://www.accuweather.com/adcbin/hbh_local?nav=home&metric=0 You need to put in your ZIP code initially to get your local forecast. HTH, Rich -- Rich Gibbs Rich.Gibbs@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 14:05:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79I56803389 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 3.98.8b73fde (4333); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:04:15 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <98.8b73fde.26c2f71e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:04:14 EDT Subject: Re: Weather Information (fwd) To: eschelzig@XXXXXX, berman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 8/9/00 1:47:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eschelzig@XXXXXX writes: > I'm not seeing it. What's the deal? http://www.intellicast.com/LocalWeather/World/UnitedStates/MidAtlantic/Marylan d/WashingtonDC/RadarLoop/ The nat'l weather service has put out a big alert... being beeped on the television screen and such. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 14:13:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79IDl803545 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-142.patriot.net [209.249.180.142]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e79IDeS18709; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:13:40 -0400 Message-ID: <39919D72.21D94B3C@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:05:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Harleys Suck?? References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86AF@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, but Sonny missied the whole point. Harleys have a *soul*, as in they're always *interesting*. Like you fire it up in the AM and you never really know if you'll be riding it back or bringing her back on a hook. Like every single completed ride is a success. Gives a warm fuzzy feeling, you know. And you'll definetely get to use all those neat tools you just had to buy. Harley's require massaging, a few pats, an occassional kiss, just like women. Ignore a Harley and it will leave you hi and dry, instead of wet and grinning. Jap bikes and *gag* beemers. Turn the key and varooommm.... Same shit, different day, no thrills, no wierd noises, no vibes = a boring lay :-) Bill Mark Kitchell wrote: > >From Sonny Barger, THE Hells Angel: > > But the most controversial part of the book comes when Barger utters the > biker equivalent of blasphemy: He denounces Harleys. "In terms of pure > workmanship, personally I don't like Harleys," he writes. "I ride them > because I'm in the club and that's the image, but if I could I would > seriously consider riding a Honda ST1100 or a BMW. . . . Japanese bikes > today are so much cheaper and better built." > That statement is, one biker magazine suggested, "as shocking as Hugh Hefner > advocating celibacy." > > Complete article at: > http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59009-2000Aug8.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 14:14:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79IET803608 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11560 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA07619 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA608148 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39919F78.2063BFCB@radix.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:14:16 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Rocket Round up follow up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did anyone see ch. 4's follow up to the MD gestapo's Operation Rocket Roundup ? I think Sunday AM ... There were some of the old clips, but Vance interviewed the LSR (lady sport riders), & the report was, well, way more balanced than the propaganda they parroted a few weeks earlier. I thought a good line was Vance saying 'they're not road rockets or crotch rockets, they're sport bikes' Good on ya, Vance. I only wish it would have gotten Prime Time press, like the MSP Bovine Fecal Matter in the form of a large pile. Also interviewed was a shop owner & it was keenly pointed out that the LSR's were professionals, not a bunch of hooligans. Very cool. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 14:35:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79IZF804310 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va19-10.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.138]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24316 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3991CFE1.B3E197@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:40:49 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rocket Round up follow up References: <39919F78.2063BFCB@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yup, I saw it. But it was late afternoon/early evening newscast. Definitely more balanced coverage. But still footage of sportbikers wearing t-shirts, jeans, and sneakers while riding! And Doreen Gentzler (sp?) insisted on calling the "road rockets". Chuck Dave Yates wrote : > > Did anyone see ch. 4's follow up to the MD gestapo's Operation Rocket > Roundup ? I think Sunday AM ... From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 14:53:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79Irp804601 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16069; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 2000080914533985:5745 ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:53:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3991A939.81736D0C@mitretek.org> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:55:53 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson CC: Mark Kitchell , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Harleys Suck?? References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86AF@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> <39919D72.21D94B3C@patriot.net> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/09/2000 02:53:40 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/09/2000 02:53:41 PM, Serialize complete at 08/09/2000 02:53:41 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Ignore a Harley and it will leave you hi and dry, instead of wet and grinning. ....... I thought you didn't ride your bike in the rain, Bill? ;-) > Jap bikes and *gag* beemers. Turn the key and varooommm.... Same shit, > different day, no thrills, no wierd noises, no vibes = a boring lay :-) but they look good between your legs, right? ;-) hahaha... ok, that was bad. sorry... my apologies From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 14:58:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79Iwa804683 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA645755 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3991A9D2.5C6E1737@radix.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:58:26 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rocket Round up follow up References: <39919F78.2063BFCB@radix.net> <3991CFE1.B3E197@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chuck Pena wrote: > > Yup, I saw it. But it was late afternoon/early evening newscast. > Definitely more balanced coverage. But still footage of sportbikers > wearing t-shirts, jeans, and sneakers while riding! And Doreen Gentzler > (sp?) insisted on calling the "road rockets". Vance, George Michael (the sportscaster, not the singer) & Sonny Jurgensen are the saving grace of their news team. Vance is a biker, & bikers are cool. I actually like Vance doing the sports Better than GM... We won't even bring up the discussion of Bob Ryan's weather forecasts (ugh). But, you're right on about Doreen ; she did women everywhere a disservice with her ignorance. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 15:07:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79J78804849 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25184 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2000 19:07:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2000 19:07:22 -0000 Message-ID: <3991AB9F.DFA4EAF1@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:06:07 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Harleys Suck?? References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86AF@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> <39919D72.21D94B3C@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Huson wrote: > > Jap bikes and *gag* beemers. Turn the key and varooommm.... Same shit, > different day, no thrills, no wierd noises, no vibes = a boring lay :-) Well, I get laid at least twice a day, every day, just like clockwork... :) Except on weekends, then it's hit or miss. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 15:14:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79JEH804958 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va19-10.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.138]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28380 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3991D90C.10CED81F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:19:56 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rocket Round up follow up References: <39919F78.2063BFCB@radix.net> <3991CFE1.B3E197@ix.netcom.com> <3991A9D2.5C6E1737@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave, I agree about Jim Vance. Have had the pleasure of actually riding with him (he was on his Fat Boy) and hanging out with him talking m/c trash at the Starbucks in Potomac. And he is most definitely a "H-D dude" -- Bill Huson would appreciate! %^) I was decked out in full leathers (complete w/pucks!) and Jim had jeans, basic black biker boots, a leather vest (no shirt!), half gloves, and something that passed for a helmet! %^) Chuck Dave Yates wrote : > > Vance, George Michael (the sportscaster, not the singer) & Sonny > Jurgensen are the saving grace of their news team. Vance is a biker, & > bikers are cool. I actually like Vance doing the sports Better than > GM... We won't even bring up the discussion of Bob Ryan's weather > forecasts (ugh). But, you're right on about Doreen ; she did women > everywhere a disservice with her ignorance. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 15:41:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79Jft805400 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-85.patriot.net [209.249.181.85]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e79JfIS00709; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:41:21 -0400 Message-ID: <3991B1F4.E693B60A@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:33:08 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kristina M. Rogish" CC: Mark Kitchell , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Harleys Suck?? References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86AF@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> <39919D72.21D94B3C@patriot.net> <3991A939.81736D0C@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kristina M. Rogish wrote: > > Ignore a Harley and it will leave you hi and dry, instead of wet and grinning. > > ....... I thought you didn't ride your bike in the rain, Bill? ;-) YES! It's about the only time it gets washed. Spritz a bit of soap on it, and Varooommm... Off we go into tthe rain. Gotta duck the bubbles for a few miles. > > Jap bikes and *gag* beemers. Turn the key and varooommm.... Same shit, > > different day, no thrills, no wierd noises, no vibes = a boring lay :-) > > but they look good between your legs, right? ;-) hahaha... ok, that was bad. > sorry... my apologies Well, my biker chic(k) kinda likes the vibes... From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 15:44:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79JiX805487 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-85.patriot.net [209.249.181.85]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e79JiFS01259; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:44:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3991B2A7.76675EBF@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:36:07 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Harleys Suck?? References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86AF@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> <39919D72.21D94B3C@patriot.net> <3991AB9F.DFA4EAF1@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > Bill Huson wrote: > > > > Jap bikes and *gag* beemers. Turn the key and varooommm.... Same shit, > > different day, no thrills, no wierd noises, no vibes = a boring lay :-) > > Well, I get laid at least twice a day, every day, just like clockwork... > :) > Except on weekends, then it's hit or miss. > > Dale > Me too - basic commutor toy. Weekends also hit or miss - house guest last weekend, grandkiddies chewing on my ankles this weekend. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 16:38:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79KcJ806527 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGerm@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 8.35.8aecdae (6537); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:37:23 -0400 (EDT) From: HGerm@XXXXXX Message-ID: <35.8aecdae.26c31b02@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:37:22 EDT Subject: Re: WARNING: SEVERE STORM INBOUND To: jzell@XXXXXX, BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Jeanette: you're not alone. I've almost completely given up on riding to work. No one seems to be able to predict the weather with any accuracy :( /Harold// From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 16:41:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79KfA806548 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12190 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11638 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05783 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:41:06 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000809164041.00cd29b0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:41:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Go home now or stay at work! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.intellicast.com/LocalWeather/World/UnitedStates/MidAtlantic/Virgi nia/Sterling/Radar/ The storm is here...damnit.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org It is well documented that for every mile that you jog....you add one minute to your life. This enables you at 85 years old to spend an additional 5 months in a nursing home at $5000 per month. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 16:54:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79KsZ806814 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA07891; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006f01c00244$accb2500$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas_Zell" To: "Dave Yates" , "Tom Gimer" Cc: References: <20000809170155.27006.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> <3991945E.C788E36C@radix.net> Subject: Re: Attn: Dave Yates.... re: expungement Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:59:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Does this work in VA... anyone? Tom <--- been a good boy for quite a while now! '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" To: "Tom Gimer" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Attn: Dave Yates.... re: expungement > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > dave: > > i'm looking to expunge, > > More info than I needed there, Tom ;-) > > > to the extent possible, my > > driving record in md. > > OH, expunge your driving record. oops. > > -- and if i remember correctly, > > md. is your home state > > Yeah, but I'm working on it :-) > > > > > how did you go about this? location, forms, timing, > > etc. > > Easy, go to ANY MVA in MD. You *may* be able to bypass the obligatory > 30 minute wait at the information line & go to the forms table & find > the form, but don't count on it... it reads something like '...request > to expunge MD driving record...'. If you KNOW that you have no moving > violations(convictions that is) in the past 3 years, your cool. If > you're unsure, get a non certified copy of your driving record ($12.00) > to be sure. Fill out the form & hand it in. In about 4 - 6 weeks > they'll notify you one way or the other. If you have a ticket pending > trial, but no conviction, they ask about that on the form, & will hold > your expungement request until the ticket is disposed of. > Once you get the response from the MVA, if they did expunge your > driving record, get another copy of your driving record & commence > shopping for insurance. If you're ticket & accident free for the past 3 > years, and you're willing to perhaps shift homeowners, bike etc > coverage, you can save some real dough. Don't just call one agent from > different companies either, I called a 2nd Allstate agent after the 1st > one wouldn't cover my Cobra. I not only got it covered, I got it at > $300.00 less than the closest other quote. One caveat ; if you're > insured by Maryland Automobile Insurance Fund or an 'indemnity' risk > policy, getting a regular (read : inexpensive ) policy will be very > difficult. Legally, with a clean record they are supposed to offer you > a regular policy, but typically, agents won't do it ' you have a risk > policy & we don't cover ... on risk policies'. If you run into this, > get on someone else's policy for a year or so then you should be good. > > HTH & ywvm ! > > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 16:54:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79Ksw806834 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13630 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2000 20:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2000 20:55:15 -0000 Message-ID: <3991C4EA.CBDBE5BE@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:54:02 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: HGerm@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WARNING: SEVERE STORM INBOUND References: <35.8aecdae.26c31b02@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > > Jeanette: you're not alone. I've almost completely given up on riding to > work. No one seems to be able to predict the weather with any accuracy :( > /Harold// So what does weather have to do with riding to work? If it's raining in the morning when you leave, and you don't want to get wet, take the car. If it's raining at lunch, and you want to go out, bum a ride from someone at work. If it's raining at night, who cares? You are going home anyway! Ride through really big mud puddles and have a ball. Get soaked. Be one with the rain. Or buy good rain gear or a decent riding suit and laugh at everyone else. :) Yes I've oversimplified it. So what? You and the bike are not gonna melt if you get wet. I've been doing it this way for 4 years now. Weather plays a very small role in my decision making process anymore. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 16:58:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79KwC806914 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12474 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA12104 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16314 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2000 20:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2000 20:58:31 -0000 Message-ID: <3991C5AF.DEB71715@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:57:19 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Go home now or stay at work! References: <4.2.0.58.20000809164041.00cd29b0@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > > http://www.intellicast.com/LocalWeather/World/UnitedStates/MidAtlantic/Virgi > nia/Sterling/Radar/ > > The storm is here...damnit.... That first line of showers looks kind of nasty, it seems to taper off after that. I've got an office with a window view looking west in Chantilly, I've been watching it head this way all afternoon. I think I'll wait it out. Been needing to put a few more hours in at the office anyway. :) Ride safe, folks! Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 17:53:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79LrV808088 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-214-202.s202.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.214.202] helo=starpower.net) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Mdmy-0007l0-00; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:53:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3991D3AD.F0A77845@starpower.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:57:01 -0400 From: "Paul A. Wilson" Reply-To: pawilson@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WARNING: SEVERE STORM INBOUND References: <35.8aecdae.26c31b02@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The weather's completely predictable: plan on a thunderstorm at quitting timne every day. It's right on schedule this evening. There's one cure for this sort of weather: cordura. HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > > Jeanette: you're not alone. I've almost completely given up on riding to > work. No one seems to be able to predict the weather with any accuracy :( > /Harold// -- Paul A. Wilson Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 17:57:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79LvW808167 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-245.s245.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.245]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Mdqs-0000Nn-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:57:30 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PC800: A-bit offended... Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:03:02 GMT Message-ID: <3991fde7.422888895@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e79LvY808168 Wow I missed this thread.. but i must say, I paid $200 for full leathers; jacket, pants, and a set of crappy joe rocket gloves. (will never buy joe rocket again). I must say i'm probably about the most finaincially low (never exactly broke nor bad with money) being a slacker n all, but if you can afford a motorcycle as a second means of transportation then you can afford everything you need to protect you from road rash... If you can afford $100 here and there for repairs, you can afford $200 to keep your skin safe. If you need help finding bargains, you can start at my website: http:/motorcycle-info.com Daniel From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 18:07:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79M7j808342 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05992 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:07:34 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000809180547.00b62870@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:06:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: WARNING: SEVERE STORM INBOUND In-Reply-To: <3991D3AD.F0A77845@starpower.net> References: <35.8aecdae.26c31b02@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cordura wouldn't have helped me Monday in the wind, nor tonight in the hail. A bit of 'creative riding' got me home just as the rain started. At 05:57 PM 8/9/2000 , Paul A. Wilson wrote: >The weather's completely predictable: plan on a thunderstorm at quitting >timne every day. It's right on schedule this evening. There's one cure for >this sort of weather: cordura. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 18:36:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79MaU808798 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-245.s245.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.245]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13MeSZ-0004ZP-00; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:36:28 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Kewl GT Subject: Re: Tire Change Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:41:59 GMT Message-ID: <399203bf.424385170@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000809161121.16563.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000809161121.16563.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e79Maa808799 the D207 sometimes has been known to statistically (but rarely) been related to tank slappers a little more than other tires (as a front tire or set?) (someone correct me if i'm wrong.) You may just want to get a used but taken off - tire from a fellow lister. I got a mich macadam 90X from a fellow lister (Thanks again TODD!). It seems like a decent all around tire for me. He didn't like it but it seems okay to me. I have no desire to replace it until ti's wore out. Some guy online said he got 10k miles out of one! I guess it depends on how you brake, and how you ride though. I aim to get as much out of mine. I think Todd put 3k or maybe 1500 on it, and I put atleast 3 to 5k on it. Anyway I would get some race take off's from a fellow lister. They are pretty cheap and are pretty good tires. I think Todd may also have another tire for sale (he did at the time I needed one) and he has the tire changing machine and is a great guy! Collin usually has some race take offs at great prices as well! I plan to take that route every chance I get... but then I dont' abuse my tires so i think I could do alright with used race take off tires. General consensus is that race take off tires are a good value and decent enough as street tires. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 19:29:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79NTD809620 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.18.bac4ea (4459) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:28:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <18.bac4ea.26c34333@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:28:51 EDT Subject: VIR To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Bryan, Randy, Brad etc.: Are you guys going to VIR? I am going, but I race on Friday. When are you guys going down? I plan to go on Thursday and I know there are practice sessions for you young fellows on Friday. I broke down and bought a Yamaha TD-3 (early 70s 250cc GP bike) so I now have two bikes to take down. I am prepared to tow them down myself on Thursday with the Land Cruiser, but if you have room (Bryan) and are going Thursday I'd rather drive down with the Bimmer. As usual, I'm staying at the local Holiday Inn. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 20:04:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (c008-h013.c008.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.202]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7A04K810213 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 20:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 26374 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2000 17:04:07 -0700 Received: from ip118.charleston2.sc.pub-ip.psi.net (HELO surfree.com) (38.30.241.118) by smtp.surfree.com (209.228.14.202) with SMTP; 9 Aug 2000 17:04:07 -0700 X-Sent: 10 Aug 2000 00:04:07 GMT Message-ID: <3991F1C5.BE0AE117@surfree.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:05:25 -0400 From: Do Yin Reply-To: doyin@XXXXXX Organization: HOME X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ride sheets Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone have good ride sheets they'd like to share? Anything in the Va or Md area is cool. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 20:05:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7A05R810292 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 20:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-36-127.s127.tnt6.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.36.127] helo=erols.com) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Mfqd-000436-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:05:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3991F1B7.14721540@erols.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:05:11 -0400 From: Tim Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: PC800: A-bit offended... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd wrote: > I have been biting my tongue for sometime now. I will no longer >stay silent. My beef... I am tired of hearing how, if you don't have >the proper riding gear. blah blah blah...you could have been hurt >less or not at all with the gear on. Well, let me tell ya...your >right! I would love to own the gear you all speak so highly of. >However, I feel some of you must make a great deal of money to >afford the Luxury of owning great riding apparel. I to wish I >could get an aerostich jacket and pants. I am envious and saddened >by the disrespect of the common rider. My 2-Cents >that was in my Bluejean pocket's... I even wear a helmet! Todd, I've ridden for 22+ years. I rode for 17 years before I could afford to buy a honest-to-God made for motorcycling leather jacket. What was I doing? Making a lower middle-class salary and raising three kids, sacrificing so that my wife could quit her full-time jub (that paid her more than my salary) so that she could stay home with the kids. To us, and our family, it was worth it. Does that mean I didn't have the "proper protective gear" all those years I rode? Of course not. I didn't have a motorcycle jacket, but I had a variety of sturdy, heavy, and medium-weight casual jackets that I wore while riding. Some of them were even bought at secondhand clothing stores. Boots? Not motorcycle boots. Hiking boots, combat boots, even cowboy boots served that function over the years. Gloves? The only real "motorcycling" gloves I had for years was a pair of cheap Korean winter guantlets. I found a pair of used "Hippo Hands" at a swap meet for $10 to keep my hands warm in the winter, and wore heavy gardening gloves underneath. Protective pants? Jeans in the summer, and a $90 close-out special TourMaster winter riding suit that I made last for 12 full years, riding year-round. I have worn a full-face helmet since my second year of riding, and that's the only thing I "splurged" on for those first 15-17 years. Why, even the Aerostitch RoadCrafter that I (finally) have now I bought USED over the Internet. You do not have to be rich to be protected when you ride. You just have to want to do your best to minimize the adverse consequences of a fall, whether your own fault or entirely out of your hands. Disrespect for the common rider? Hardly. I see kids riding every day in shorts and t-shirts on motorcycles that cost more money than any bike I have owned in my 22 years of riding. Is it that they can't afford to wear protective gear? Or is it that they *choose* not to? Tim Morrow From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 21:25:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7A1PD811516 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA14660 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA16541 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-63.208.164.58.Washington2.Level3.net [63.208.164.58]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA10153; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Dave Yates" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Rocket Round up follow up Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:17:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c00268$c32c7960$3aa4d03f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39919F78.2063BFCB@radix.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 It was on last Friday evening's 6pm newscast. the sunday must have been a repeat. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 2:14 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Rocket Round up follow up Did anyone see ch. 4's follow up to the MD gestapo's Operation Rocket Roundup ? I think Sunday AM ... There were some of the old clips, but Vance interviewed the LSR (lady sport riders), & the report was, well, way more balanced than the propaganda they parroted a few weeks earlier. I thought a good line was Vance saying 'they're not road rockets or crotch rockets, they're sport bikes' Good on ya, Vance. I only wish it would have gotten Prime Time press, like the MSP Bovine Fecal Matter in the form of a large pile. Also interviewed was a shop owner & it was keenly pointed out that the LSR's were professionals, not a bunch of hooligans. Very cool. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 05:56:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7A9uV820250 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 05:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA769533 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 05:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39927C45.68C04873@radix.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 05:56:21 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Attn: Dave Yates.... re: expungement References: <20000809170155.27006.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> <3991945E.C788E36C@radix.net> <006f01c00244$accb2500$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas_Zell wrote: > > Does this work in VA... anyone? > don't know ; never been a licensed driver in the commonwealth. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 08:01:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AC1B822199 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7AC13S25378 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 05:01:03 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: RE: PC800: A-bit offended... Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:00:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c002c2$9b63e4e0$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3991fde7.422888895@smtp.erols.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I agree, I use Timberline boots I got on sale at Hecht's with the wife's discount and a coupon sale. I bought the Motoport pants for about $100 at Poweride when they had a coupon sale. If you fill out their mailing list, you get coupons in the mail and a calendar showing attractive women using Honda lawn mowers while wearing lingerie. Remember to be totally offended when your wife sees it ;) I got my jacket as a Christmas present, but I have seen jackets for cheap on the Internet ($78 on one site, that's less than 4 really good pizzas). Remember, used jackets are plentiful because riders inevitably get together to discuss riding, where they proceed to eat pizzas and drink ale, which leads to certain, ahem "widening", which causes demand for bigger jackets. Suddenly you have good, but narrow used jackets for sale. Daniel: I couldn't hit the site, is the link correct? Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA > " Everybody is somebody else's weirdo." -----Original Message----- From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:03 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PC800: A-bit offended... Wow I missed this thread.. but i must say, I paid $200 for full leathers; jacket, pants, and a set of crappy joe rocket gloves. (will never buy joe rocket again). I must say i'm probably about the most finaincially low (never exactly broke nor bad with money) being a slacker n all, but if you can afford a motorcycle as a second means of transportation then you can afford everything you need to protect you from road rash... If you can afford $100 here and there for repairs, you can afford $200 to keep your skin safe. If you need help finding bargains, you can start at my website: http:/motorcycle-info.com Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 10:26:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (c008-h018.c008.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.207]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7AEQb824542 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 18155 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2000 07:26:29 -0700 Date: 10 Aug 2000 07:26:29 -0700 Message-ID: <20000810142629.18154.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 10 Aug 2000 14:26:29 GMT Received: from [216.233.216.162] by mail.surfree.com with HTTP; 10 Aug 2000 07:26:29 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.5 Subject: how often? I just subbed to this mailing list. Question I have is - How often do you guys get together to go riding? I see there's one planned this weekend but I have already made other plans. Where do you guys normally ride, how fast and how big are the groups? _____________________________________________________ The freedom to choose your own Internet access price. Surfree.com - got to be free http://www.surfree.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 10:38:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AEc6824822 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10814 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:37:58 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000810103455.00cc1b60@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:37:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: how often? In-Reply-To: <20000810142629.18154.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:26 AM 8/10/00 , doyin@XXXXXX wrote: >I just subbed to this mailing list. Question I have is - How often do you >guys get together to go riding? I see there's one planned this weekend >but I have already made other plans. Pretty much 1 or 2 every weekend. >Where do you guys normally ride, how fast and how big are the groups? Most of the rides are very fast, but there are generally slower rides planned too. Unfortunately most of my rides have been commuting and long solo rides - couldn't make most group activities. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 10:45:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AEjh825047 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10841 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:45:36 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000810104444.00cbbbd0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:45:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: how often? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000810103455.00cc1b60@mail.wheatintl.com> References: <20000810142629.18154.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>Where do you guys normally ride, how fast and how big are the groups? I skipped part of the question. Groups range from 6 to 20, and most rides have been in the Western backroads of VA starting near Leesburg. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 12:09:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AG9b826585 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-245.s245.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.245]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Mumm-00074a-00; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:02:24 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Cc: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: Re: PC800: A-bit offended... Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:07:48 GMT Message-ID: <3993fd71.488316240@smtp.erols.com> References: <000101c002c2$9b63e4e0$770810ac@cedric> In-Reply-To: <000101c002c2$9b63e4e0$770810ac@cedric> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7AGA7826586 oops i left a slash out in the site link. http://motorcycle-info.com Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 13:06:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp9.gateway.net (relaye.gateway.net [208.230.117.253]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AH6o827550 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hfzzv (client-151-196-117-2.bellatlantic.net [151.196.117.2]) by smtp9.gateway.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA00486 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:06:33 -0400 (EDT) From: fmuller@XXXXXX Message-ID: <001c01c002ec$2123b6e0$db1dfea9@hfzzv> To: Subject: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:57:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Last night my R6 and F4 were stolen Both had alarms, bike covers and they were chained to the concrete and one another. Does anyone have any experience with Progressive Insurance on total loss claims? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Franz now bikeless fmuller@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 13:22:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7AHME827805 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000810172205.15302.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.181] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:22:05 PDT Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:22:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. To: fmuller@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i hope you had comprehensive insurance.... you'll have to jump through a few administrative hurdles (filling out forms w/ notarization, etc.) regarding the theft; progressive will pay you the full book value of your lost property minus your comprehensive deductible after 30 days (i know, it's an eternity) if the bikes are not found i feel for you man....i had one get away this spring --- fmuller@XXXXXX wrote: > Last night my R6 and F4 were stolen > Both had alarms, bike covers and they were chained > to the concrete and one > another. > Does anyone have any experience with Progressive > Insurance on total loss claims? > Any info would be greatly appreciated. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 13:23:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AHNK827815 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-217-251.s251.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.217.251] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Mw33-0000R8-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:23:18 -0400 Message-ID: <022e01c002ef$2ba75600$f4d43ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <001c01c002ec$2123b6e0$db1dfea9@hfzzv> Subject: Re: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:18:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I'm really sorry to hear about the thefts, but insurance companies won't pay a claim on a theft until a certain time has elapsed. Presumably that gives a reasonable time for the cops to attempt to recover the stolen property. It varies from company to company, but I think 30 days is typical. I hope you had good coverage. It might be a good idea to give us a description of the bikes: model year, color, modifications, tags, etc. You never know, the bikes might be spotted by one of us. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:57 PM Subject: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. > Last night my R6 and F4 were stolen > Both had alarms, bike covers and they were chained to the concrete and one > another. > Does anyone have any experience with Progressive Insurance on total loss > claims? > Any info would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > > Franz > > now bikeless > > fmuller@XXXXXX > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 13:33:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AHXL827995 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA00424; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000810133020.009fa830@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:30:52 -0400 To: fmuller@XXXXXX, From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. In-Reply-To: <001c01c002ec$2123b6e0$db1dfea9@hfzzv> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So sorry for your loss. That totally sucks! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 12:57 PM 8/10/00 -0400, fmuller@XXXXXX wrote: >Last night my R6 and F4 were stolen >Both had alarms, bike covers and they were chained to the concrete and one >another. >Does anyone have any experience with Progressive Insurance on total loss >claims? >Any info would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks > > >Franz > >now bikeless > >fmuller@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 13:49:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AHnq828277 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-47.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.175]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08776; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399316A4.A706F34D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:55:00 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.motorcycle.sportbike,rec.motorcycles To: DC Cycles , Suzuki Bikes , parr@XXXXXX Subject: Second Bike Night in August ... Sunday the 20th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The weather gods smiled upon us Tuesday night for the first Bike Night in August at Grevey's. I had visions of a Bike Night with everyone showing up in cars due to thunderstorms, lightning, and torrential rain/hail! %^) If you stayed late enough (i.e., 10pm), you got to see the wild start to the 125GP race (on Speedvision) where it seemed like half the field got nerfed in the first turn! If you missed Tuesday night (a good time was had by all), come to Bike Night at CarPool (Arlington, VA) on Sunday, August 20th, 5pm to 9pm. All the info is at the website http://www.geocities.com/bikenight Chuck, aka Skittles, aka Shooter '93 GSXR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 14:12:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AIC7828687 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7AIC0S01560 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:12:00 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:11:37 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c002f6$6dac6980$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001c01c002ec$2123b6e0$db1dfea9@hfzzv> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal That sucks. Were they in a garage? If not, don't mention it. Someone I know found out at the wrong time that Progressive only wrote policies on garaged bikes in his zip code; screaming didn't help, although he definitely tried. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: fmuller@XXXXXX [mailto:fmuller@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:57 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. Last night my R6 and F4 were stolen Both had alarms, bike covers and they were chained to the concrete and one another. Does anyone have any experience with Progressive Insurance on total loss claims? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Franz now bikeless fmuller@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 14:14:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AIEG828697 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7AIE9S01612 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:14:09 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Urgent action needed Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:13:47 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c002f6$baabb740$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal >From another list: Cedric Dear friends, I just got this, so sorry for the extremely short notice. However, we can still act. Please read, email off a response, and also forward it to other OHV related email lists to which you may belong. Thanks, Tom Warr drwarr@XXXXXX SITUATION Comments are urgently needed regarding the Sierra Nevada Conservation Framework Forest Plan Amendment Draft Environmental Impact Statement (EIS). This proposed plan would simultaneously amend the Forest Plans for all eleven of the national forests located in the Sierra Nevada Mountains. The implementation of this plan could restrict motorized use to trails specifically designated as open. This would reverse the management of roads to mean that the public will only be able to use a road or trail if there is a sign specifically stating that the road is open. It also restricts uses (including motorized and non-motorized trails) within 300 feet either side of perennial streams, 150 feet either side of intermittent streams, and 75 feet either side of ephemeral streams (any area showing scouring from water passage). Since most trails exist near some drainage or cross streams, this could adversely affect virtually all OHV access to the Sierra Mountains. It considers decommissioning of roads that are in conflict with the "objectives" or the "desired conditions" of an area but does not state whose desired conditions these are and leaves the door open to anti-access extremists pressure on forest managers. These standards would also be applied to the Inyo and White Mountains even though they are not part of the Sierra Nevada ecosystem. WHAT TO DO Provide polite, aimed and concise comment in writing to USDA Forest Service - CAET Sierra Nevada Framework Project PO Box 7669 Missoula, MT 59807 or E-mail to: mailroom_wo_caet@XXXXXX. Comments must be postmarked on or before August 11, 2000. The anti-access community has placed a very high priority on getting this proposal implemented and they have been able produce a large number of letters supporting the proposed actions. Rider support could be the only way to keep this area open to motorized recreation. Let the responsible official know that there is a spefic need for responsible motorized recreation on public land and that you appreciate them considering this in this EIS. This is your chance to be proactive in protecting your right to ride! If the US Forest Service does not hear from riders then they will not know of your feelings on motorized recreation until the gates go up, then it is to late. Print this notice and distribute it at local motorcycle shops, and among all motorcycle, ATV riders and other OHV enthusiasts encouraging them to provide comment as well. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION Contact Royce Wood, Legislative Affairs Specialist, American Motorcyclist Association, 13515 Yarmouth Drive, Pickerington, OH 43147. Phone 614-856-1900. E-mail: rwood@XXXXXX ****************************************** Terry Lee Cook Government Relations Specialist American Motorcyclist Association 13515 Yarmouth Drive Pickerington, Ohio 43147 http://www.AMADirectlink.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 14:18:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AIIr828784 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id n.1e.93b2133 (3972); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:18:37 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1e.93b2133.26c44bfd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:18:37 EDT Subject: Re: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. To: fmuller@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 I had my YZF600R stolen 2 years ago, progressive was great about it. On my bike (less than a year old :( ) they gave me a 'Fair market evaluation' where they called shops and found for how much my bike was selling and gave me that figure - plus covered my cover, aftermarket slip on, etc for which I had receipts. You do have a 30-day wait, but then progressive just cuts you a check (minus deductable, of course). Sorry to hear the bastards got your bikes. It was one of the key reasons for me finally buying a house - getting a garage. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 16:10:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dirtydog.meretrix.com (dirtydog.meretrix.com [209.116.254.23]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AKAd800957 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirtydog.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by dirtydog.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AKAbO07893 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008102010.e7AKAbO07893@dirtydog.meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dumb cop questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <7890.965938237.1@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:10:37 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos Does anybody know why the police ask you these stupid questions when they pull you over? What are the "right" answers? - Do you know why I pulled you over? - Do you know how fast you were going? - Do you know what the speed limit is here? - Any reason why you were going so fast? -harry From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 16:38:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.mail.yahoo.com (smtp2.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7AKcg801499 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO ltannernt) (162.70.165.149) by smtp2.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2000 20:38:39 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <012801c0030a$f70ec330$95a546a2@amsinc.com> From: "Lin_Tan" To: References: <200008102010.e7AKAbO07893@dirtydog.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: dumb cop questions Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:38:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Oh-ohhhh, sounds like you got a ticket? I've had a lot of experience at this and I always play dumb. Ok, maybe it's not playing. I think they are trying to get you to admit to something other than what they already got you for. I have to admit, that I *always* get the ticket if they pull me over, so maybe this isn't the best ploy. As to the why were you going so fast, I've heard squirming and saying you have to pee sometimes works. YMMV LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 SuperSherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Harry Mantakos asked: Does anybody know why the police ask you these stupid questions when they pull you over? What are the "right" answers? - Do you know why I pulled you over? - Do you know how fast you were going? - Do you know what the speed limit is here? - Any reason why you were going so fast? -harry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 16:40:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe4.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AKeO801533 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.28.208.69] ([24.28.208.69]) by mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:40:21 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:47:23 -0400 Subject: Re: dumb cop questions From: David Cross To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200008102010.e7AKAbO07893@dirtydog.meretrix.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 8/10/00 4:10 PM, Harry Mantakos at harry@XXXXXX wrote: > Does anybody know why the police ask you these stupid questions > when they pull you over? What are the "right" answers? > > - Do you know why I pulled you over? > - Do you know how fast you were going? > - Do you know what the speed limit is here? > - Any reason why you were going so fast? I would respectfully decline to answer such questions. They will only come back to haunt you in court. Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 16:52:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AKqj801814 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id v.cb.862ff99 (4537); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:52:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:52:23 EDT Subject: Re: dumb cop questions To: harry@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 In a message dated 8/10/00 4:19:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, harry@XXXXXX writes: << - Do you know why I pulled you over? - Do you know how fast you were going? - Do you know what the speed limit is here? - Any reason why you were going so fast? -harry >> As a former Cop these questions lay the foundation for seeing if you are going to pass the attitude test. 1. Do you know why I pulled you over? To see if you were paying attention to your driving, to see if you are oblivious to the world around you, to see if you were aware of (and in route to repair) any vehicle deficiencies. Brownie points for honesty, candor and politeness. 2. Do you know how fast you were going. This lets the cop assess YOUR perception of the world around you (and what would alter that perception, one might ask?). Again, honesty gets you brownie points, however, absolute candor can be bad as well...(Yes officer, I knew that I was doing 120 in a 55.) Try to keep your answers convincing and within 10 miles of the posted speed limit. (Tolerance standards for a lot of cops is the following: 0 - 5 miles over - ignore 6-9 miles over - watch 10 miles over, move into position and wait for a 11 mile perhour sustained violation and then... 11 miles over, initiate stop. 3. Do you know what the speed limit is? Now, if you have answered question 2 with a high number and question 3 with a low number, you have verified that you are exercising your constitutional right to be stupid and are going to get nailed. If you answer 2 with a high number and 3 with a similar high number, you have a chance for a warning. If you answer 2 with a number lower than 3, you should be safe. 4. Four is "the last chance to save your ass and help me from writing you a ticket" question. If you can demonstrate that there was a valid reason for highballing down the crowded sidewalk, picking off the weak and infirm as nature intended, you have a chance to escape. Answers like, "My wife is having a baby in the back seat", should be accompanied with a fat screaming woman having either two heads for an extra arm or leg showing. Answering, "My wife is going to have a baby in the back seat" should not be accompanied by a naked babysitter in the back seat. In summary, these four questions lay the foundation for either letting you go on one hand, or unholstering a pistol and shooting you for being a silly shit out of season. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 16:55:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7AKtj801840 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 8325 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2000 13:55:36 -0700 Received: from PPPa71-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.228) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2000 13:55:36 -0700 X-Sent: 10 Aug 2000 20:55:36 GMT Message-ID: <009801c0030e$8a179280$d17c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , "Harry Mantakos" References: <200008102010.e7AKAbO07893@dirtydog.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: dumb cop questions Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:04:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > Does anybody know why the police ask you these stupid questions > when they pull you over? What are the "right" answers? I think they ask you those questions to put you on the spot and ruffle your feathers (piss you off more) > my answers when it happens (which is never...lol) > - Do you know why I pulled you over? I was speeding. > - Do you know how fast you were going? I always tell them about five under what I was actually going > - Do you know what the speed limit is here? yes, sir. > - Any reason why you were going so fast? no, sir. I find most cops, if you are honest with them, will give you the benefit of the doubt and let you off. I also noticed that every time I've gotten pulled over since I've had my CWP in Virginia, I've never gotten a ticket. They usually figure you're a good citizen and go easier on you. That's just been my experience. > Laura > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 17:00:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AL0m801999 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-214-233.s233.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.214.233] helo=starpower.net) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13MzRV-00006D-00; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:00:46 -0400 Message-ID: <399318D5.284CC130@starpower.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:04:21 -0400 From: "Paul A. Wilson" Reply-To: pawilson@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions References: <200008102010.e7AKAbO07893@dirtydog.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1) Trying to get you to admit to something. 2) Trying to determine how coherent you are as a preliminary to a possible DUI. 3) Trying to determine if you're a complete nut case who's a threat to the office. Right answers depend on the situation. If you're my wife, you give him that lost puppy look and you say, "officer, I'm terribly sorry, it's my husband's car and I never drive it and, we just got married and gee whiz, he's going to very angry with me if I get a ticket. I swear I didn't know it was 25 through here. You must've just changed the signs." It worked too. She got off on a 45 in a 25. Harry Mantakos wrote: > > Does anybody know why the police ask you these stupid questions > when they pull you over? What are the "right" answers? > > - Do you know why I pulled you over? > - Do you know how fast you were going? > - Do you know what the speed limit is here? > - Any reason why you were going so fast? > > -harry -- Paul A. Wilson Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 17:39:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7ALdG802600 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11740 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2000 21:38:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2000 21:38:33 -0000 Message-ID: <399320C5.6CB27BAE@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:38:13 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harry Mantakos CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions References: <200008102010.e7AKAbO07893@dirtydog.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry Mantakos wrote: > > Does anybody know why the police ask you these stupid questions > when they pull you over? What are the "right" answers? The same reason cats play with mice before eating them? :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 17:42:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ALg7802689 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-136-159.s159.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.136.159] helo=bigfoot.com) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13N05U-0000Oy-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:42:04 -0400 Message-ID: <399321BE.6523A138@bigfoot.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:42:22 -0400 From: vulgar_power X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday's relaxed ride References: <20000809133240.21496.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A friend of mine and I are gonna make this ride. We will be coming from Manassas, so if anyone else from Manassas, or farther west wants to meet up drop me a line. We're prolly gonna leave from Manassas around 8 or 8:30 so we can have a cup at the shack. LAURA GRANATO wrote: > hey everyone! It sounds like Saturday's ride is going to be a blast. Once again, I'm hoping to see some new people From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 18:12:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AMBw803110 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.38.9e39334 (4318) for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:11:36 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <38.9e39334.26c48297@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:11:35 EDT Subject: Re: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 In a message dated 8/10/00 13:11:18 Eastern Daylight Time, fmuller@XXXXXX writes: > Does anyone have any experience with Progressive Insurance on total loss > claims? Bummer - Progressive's been absolutely great to me in replacing bent wheels and stuff - almost instant claims service. Good luck Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 18:22:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AMMl803320 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.46.91e16d9 (4318) for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:22:34 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <46.91e16d9.26c48529@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:22:33 EDT Subject: Re: Saturday's relaxed ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Is there a route sheet up yet? (or a probable route). I have this horrible problem making my motorcycle head east from here - it thinks that I'm going to work :-( If this ride is heading westerly, perhaps there are intercept points? Michael J. P.S. In the line of relaxed rides, the Antietam club usually has absolutely GREAT routes laid out for their poker runs. If anyone missed their announcement to the list last Sunday, I'd be glad to forward it to you. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 19:42:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ANg6804682 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.54.7dd9335 (4005) for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:41:46 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: <54.7dd9335.26c497ba@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:41:46 EDT Subject: Fwd: Mid west Trip observations To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_54.7dd9335.26c497ba_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 --part1_54.7dd9335.26c497ba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_54.7dd9335.26c497ba_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Full-name: McKeithen Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:05:22 EDT Subject: Mid west Trip observations To: motoguzzi@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Left Charles Town WV last Wednesday at 4AM to attend my 40th year high school reunion in New London WI. Arrived in Fond du Lac WI. at 11PM Wed night --901 miles. My wife flew out to join me and we made relaxed three day trip back. 1.They must be handing out stupid pills with motorcycle permits in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and Wisconsin. No more ten percent of the riders I saw were wearing any kind of helmet or decent protective gear. 2. Fewer than twenty per cent of riders,regardles of brand or type returned my wave. Whats up with that? 3.Toll roads should charge motorcycle less than cars since our impact on the road is so small. In fact motorcycles should get a freebie since it is so time consuming to remove gloves and fish for $ 4. Tri State Expessway around Chicago has the most stupid system of all. Stop every 9-10 miles to dig out .50. 5. The Bassa is a fine , although not perfect, touring motorcycle. Passenger seat really needs help. Drivers seat needs only slightly firmer padding. Bob --part1_54.7dd9335.26c497ba_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 20:04:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com (mailout1-0.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7B046805024 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from t1d4o4 (roc-204-210-135-141.rochester.rr.com [204.210.135.141]) by mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA20639 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006b01c00327$b0b2f560$8d87d2cc@rochester.rr.com> From: "David VFR Thompson" To: Subject: Protective Gear on a Budget Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:04:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Try this URL for leather gear at a VERY REASONABLE price. http://www.linkamerica.com/products.html This isn't "race quality" leather (as they clearly state). It is well made, the leather is of reasonable thickness & it's saved my skin once already. It came out scuffed, but still serviceable, where jeans or even the lighter weight nylon stuff would have been completely shredded ( I have comparative experience!). I have no interest in this outfit - just a satisfied customer. Also, these people are willing to deal if you do a group buy. I got my V-pilot pants via a group buy on the ST1100 list. The other URL to try is the Leather Exchange, right near list members in Takoma Park Md. They deal in used and close-out gear. http://members.aol.com/motorle/boots.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 22:18:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7B2I2807110 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-36.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.100]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA14914 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39938D50.8B38B9A2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:21:20 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protective Gear on a Budget References: <006b01c00327$b0b2f560$8d87d2cc@rochester.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would also add http://www.newenough.com if you're looking for leather gear (including race quality) at what are IMHO very reasonable prices (but not always cheap, depending on your budget). David VFR Thompson wrote: > > Try this URL for leather gear at a VERY REASONABLE price. > http://www.linkamerica.com/products.html > This isn't "race quality" leather (as they clearly state). It is well made, > the leather is of reasonable thickness & it's saved my skin once already. > It came out scuffed, but still serviceable, where jeans or even the lighter > weight nylon stuff would have been completely shredded ( I have comparative > experience!). > I have no interest in this outfit - just a satisfied customer. > Also, these people are willing to deal if you do a group buy. I got my > V-pilot pants via a group buy on the ST1100 list. > > The other URL to try is the Leather Exchange, right near list members in > Takoma Park Md. They deal in used and close-out gear. > http://members.aol.com/motorle/boots.html -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 22:19:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7B2Jf807120 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-36.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.100]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA07467; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39938DBA.38883A5B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:23:06 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MJordan666@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday's relaxed ride References: <46.91e16d9.26c48529@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael, It's Laura and Michell's ride so I'll let one of the two of them clue you in on all the details re the exact route. But FYI the ride leaves from the Java Shack in Arlington and we'll be going through Montgomery/Frederick Counties. Ending at Polly's Cafe on U St. NW in DC for brunch. Chuck MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > Is there a route sheet up yet? (or a probable route). > > I have this horrible problem making my motorcycle head east from here - it > thinks that I'm going to work :-( > > If this ride is heading westerly, perhaps there are intercept points? > > Michael J. > > P.S. In the line of relaxed rides, the Antietam club usually has absolutely > GREAT routes laid out for their poker runs. If anyone missed their > announcement to the list last Sunday, I'd be glad to forward it to you. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 23:22:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7B3Mk808087 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000811032244.BHJI2546.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:22:44 -0700 Message-ID: <03f501c00337$aa7bd260$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <006b01c00327$b0b2f560$8d87d2cc@rochester.rr.com> Subject: Beach Trip Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:58:37 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Is any one going to the Delaware or Maryland beaches on Saturday? I'm heading for Bethany early saturday morning and wouldn't mind some company if anyone else is heading in the same direction. One word of warning though, I'm still breaking my bike in so I'm limited to about 60 mph. James From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 23:51:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net (relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net [38.9.152.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7B3pI808579 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13N5ql-00076g-00; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:51:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:48 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "harry@XXXXXX" Subject: good answers to bad questions Message-ID: <20000810234715288-11637761@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Subject: dumb cop questions >From: Harry Mantakos >Does anybody know why the police ask you these stupid questions >when they pull you over? What are the "right" answers? > - Do you know why I pulled you over? > - Do you know how fast you were going? > - Do you know what the speed limit is here? > - Any reason why you were going so fast? Here's the response to a discussion on at least one of 'em i got on a different list: That question "Do you know how fast you were going?" is a killer. >If you say no, you are showing your disdain of speed limits and >opening the door for the officer to name any speed he wants. If you >say yes and lie, say you were going slower than you really were, the >cop catches you in a lie. If you say "Yes, I was going 85 in a 55," >you've just admitted your guilt. i have an alternative. you can answer, "indicated, or actual?" see, bikes are notorious for having inaccurate speedos. but inaccurate which way? well, we all know that they're optimistic, but the LEO doesn't know that. soooo... you've got an instant out. you can say that since you know your speedo is optimistic by, say, 10%, you have to ryde it @ an indicated 80 just to keep up in a 70mph zone. when he says, "i clocked you @ 90," you could respond, "really? but i thought my speed was *optimistic*, are you saying it's *pessimistic*? or are you sure you really clocked *my* vehicle?" @ this point, you've just introduced the element of doubt. Don't ask me why I kept it. Someone else told me that if you get a speeding ticket. send it in w/ an extra dollar or so on the check. They'll have to refund it. When you get the refund toss it. Something about the system not putting points etc through til all transactions are resolved with the ticket. FWIW this was supposedly leaked by a contractor who worked on the systems in use by many states. Truth or internet legend? dunno, is it worth a $1 to try should you be unfortunate enough to have the chance. probly btw, why do you ask? R From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 00:16:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7B4GU808974 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16855; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:09:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: Rob Bell cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "harry@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: good answers to bad questions In-Reply-To: <20000810234715288-11637761@watsonwyatt.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Rob Bell wrote: > Someone else told me that if you get a speeding ticket. send it in w/ > an extra dollar or so on the check. They'll have to refund it. When > you get the refund toss it. Something about the system not putting > points etc through til all transactions are resolved with the ticket. > FWIW this was supposedly leaked by a contractor who worked on the > systems in use by many states. Truth or internet legend? dunno, is > it worth a $1 to try should you be unfortunate enough to have the > chance. probly Please see: http://www.snopes.com/spoons/faxlore/ticket.htm for further information on this hoax. As for the questions, I don't know WHY, but I know what works for me. Answer honestly, use "Sir" or Ma'am" when addressing the officer, and at least in VA, your CWP DOES seem to help get you a warning vs. a bona fide ticket (as long as my ex handed his over during a stop, he never got the ticket, go figure). Shannon -who tends to speed only in the car, and is anxiously awaiting her CWP in the mail. :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 00:30:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7B4UN809215 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA14380; Fri, 11 Aug 1972 00:35:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1972 00:35:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike shops in DC? In-Reply-To: <200008031841.e73If0800395@dirty.meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I do repairs on Japanese street bikes. Pretty much anything short of pulling/splitting the engine. Located near the Zoo, open by appointment. 202-234-9229. --garcia "I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather---not screaming in terror like his passengers." On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 Dsotm60273@XXXXXX wrote: > Hi all, > I've been in DC for a few months now and I need to get to a bike shop. Changed my oil about 2000 miles ago, need to do it again. Also could use some S100, etc. So does anyone know a good shop in the area that is open relatively late? I never get out of work before 4 (usually 5) and am in Arlington at work. Any ideas where I can go on the way home or after work? BTW I live on 17th st. > Thanks, > Tony > 99 Superhawk > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 07:10:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from kds1.kivex.com (kds1.kivex.com [208.213.150.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BBAB816820 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pc228.dialpool1.kivex.com [204.177.57.228]) by kds1.kivex.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA06221 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000811070051.007ea9b0@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:00:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisa Goddard Subject: Saturday'r ride In-Reply-To: <200008092300.e79N07Z09159@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Laura, Can you give me the details on Saturday's ride? I am in a class all day but will check email this evening. thanks! From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 08:09:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BC9b817686 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27171; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:09:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:09:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: Rob Bell cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "harry@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: good answers to bad questions In-Reply-To: <20000810234715288-11637761@watsonwyatt.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Someone else told me that if you get a speeding ticket. send it in w/ an extra > dollar or so on the check. They'll have to refund it. When you get the refund > toss it. Something about the system not putting points etc through til all > transactions are resolved with the ticket. FWIW this was supposedly leaked by a > contractor who worked on the systems in use by many states. Truth or internet > legend? dunno, is it worth a $1 to try should you be unfortunate enough to have > the chance. probly > Can we all say together now: "URBAN LEGEND!" If you want to really fight a speeding ticket or any other traffic related thing, get a lawyer who's familiar with the court you'll be going into. You'll most likely save money, long run, on insurance etc. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 08:27:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3601.mail.yahoo.com (web3601.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.96]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7BCRG818372 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000811122708.28411.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3601.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 05:27:08 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 05:27:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions To: Harry Mantakos , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I like these answers... Glenn --- Harry Mantakos wrote: > Does anybody know why the police ask you these > stupid questions > when they pull you over? What are the "right" > answers? > > - Do you know why I pulled you over? Cause your a fu**ing idiot and have nothing better to do? > - Do you know how fast you were going? Not fast enough cause you caught me, donut boy... > - Do you know what the speed limit is here? No and I really don't care, shouldn't you be getting another free meal from one of the local establishments, piggie? > - Any reason why you were going so fast? Yeah, your wife is in the car and I didn't want you to catch us... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 09:12:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BDCp819351 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:12:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Cc: "'doyin@XXXXXX'" Subject: ride sheets Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:12:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Do Yin wondered, "Anyone have good ride sheets they'd like to share? Anything in the Va or Md area is cool." IIRC, Colin had some ride sheets posted on his web page. But -- three sources for area maps are: #1: AAA Nation's Capital Area Map is pretty good. It covers out to Hancock, Gettysburg, Front Royal, Orange. Details are frustratingly absent, but for a one pager, it's excellent. #2 Delorme's map books rock for details. Sam's Club carries the books for $9.99 but only for the State the store is in. However, the College Park REI had all of their Delorme books marked down to $9-10 (I got the last NC book). Dunno if the Bailey's Crossroad store did the same or not -- but probably. #3 Maryland Department of Transportation sells county maps for ~$2 each. Look up their web page or stop by their Baltimore office. FWIW, none of the maps show that you'll have to ford a stream on Price Road in Frederick County or the extent of the gravel road outside of Waterford, VA. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 09:29:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BDTo819565 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:29:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200008110929.AA65936@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "'DC Cycles'" , Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Harleys Suck?? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mark Kitchell >>From Sonny Barger, THE Hells Angel: >But the most controversial part of the book comes when Barger utters the >biker equivalent of blasphemy: He denounces Harleys. "In terms of pure >workmanship, personally I don't like Harleys," he writes. "I ride them >because I'm in the club and that's the image, but if I could I would >seriously consider riding a Honda ST1100 or a BMW. . . . Japanese bikes >today are so much cheaper and better built." That's my favorite quote. My second favorite quote is: "Barger is sitting in his living room, watching himself on his giant-screen TV. It's a videotape of a book signing he did at a Harley dealership in San Diego. Apparently, Harley vendors don't mind that he mocked their bikes in the book. "They know they're junk," he explains." Another interesting point is that Barger says he doesn't have the guts to ride the bike he wants to- from http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/zforum/00/barger0719.htm "[Question from] Ivor Va: Why are Harleys so important to Hell's Angels? They suck at racing and technology wise they are poor at best. Sonny Barger: If you've read the book you'll know I agree. People aren't looking for the best technology, they're looking for the sound, not how miserable the ride is or how many times they have to fix it. I don't have the guts not to ride one." From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 09:34:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BDYA819657 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02493; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 2000081109335750:17308 ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:33:57 -0400 Message-ID: <3994014F.8C017FC2@mitretek.org> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:36:15 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Reply-To: krogish@XXXXXX Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lin_Tan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions References: <200008102010.e7AKAbO07893@dirtydog.meretrix.com> <012801c0030a$f70ec330$95a546a2@amsinc.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/11/2000 09:33:57 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/11/2000 09:33:58 AM, Serialize complete at 08/11/2000 09:33:58 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > As to the why were you going so fast, I've heard squirming and saying you > have to pee sometimes works. YMMV My sister was traveling on I-95 to my mom's house and had to pee REALLY bad, so she was flying down the highway at 82 and the cop pulls her over..... exit ramp within sight. She still got the ticket, even though she had to pee like crazy. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 09:41:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BDf6819739 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:41:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200008110941.AA5964170@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: dumb cop questions X-Mailer: Sounds Drew Carey - he does this great routine about how if he's paying for the ticket, he might as well get his money's worth. "Would you step back to my car please, sir." "No thanks, I'm comfortable here." Carey says especially if it's raining, he likes to wait in his own car. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 05:27:08 -0700 (PDT) >I like these answers... > >Glenn > >--- Harry Mantakos wrote: >> Does anybody know why the police ask you these >> stupid questions >> when they pull you over? What are the "right" >> answers? >> >> - Do you know why I pulled you over? > >Cause your a fu**ing idiot and have nothing better to >do? > >> - Do you know how fast you were going? > >Not fast enough cause you caught me, donut boy... > >> - Do you know what the speed limit is here? > >No and I really don't care, shouldn't you be getting >another free meal from one of the local >establishments, piggie? > >> - Any reason why you were going so fast? > >Yeah, your wife is in the car and I didn't want you to >catch us... > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. >http://invites.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 09:46:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7BDka819894 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 11285 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2000 06:46:28 -0700 Received: from PPPa91-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.248) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2000 06:46:28 -0700 X-Sent: 11 Aug 2000 13:46:28 GMT Message-ID: <004301c0039b$c22b3680$f87c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Tomorrow's relaxed ride Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:55:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 See you all tomorrow at 9:30 at the Java Shack in Arlington (if anyone needs directions to there, write Chuck). Looks like it's going to be a good turnout, and we've even got some new ones coming out on the ride! Yea! If the weather doesn't cooperate (which it should be fine) I'll post to the list early in the morning whether we're still meeting or not. I'm off to go boating for the day! Have a good one. :-) Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 09:50:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BDoH819987 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03412; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 2000081109493433:17479 ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:49:34 -0400 Message-ID: <399404F8.C0D327BB@mitretek.org> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:51:52 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Reply-To: krogish@XXXXXX Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tansey CC: Rob Bell , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "harry@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: good answers to bad questions References: X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/11/2000 09:49:34 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/11/2000 09:49:39 AM, Serialize complete at 08/11/2000 09:49:39 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Am I dumb? Must be.... what is "CWP"???? > Answer honestly, use "Sir" or Ma'am" when addressing the officer, and > at least in VA, your CWP DOES seem to help get you a warning vs. a bona > fide ticket (as long as my ex handed his over during a stop, he never got > the ticket, go figure). From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 10:08:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pg.cc.md.us (mail.pg.cc.md.us [204.91.230.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7BE8J820424 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bnafh ([10.3.4.121]) by pg.cc.md.us; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:06:06 -0400 From: "Brad Faas" To: Cc: Subject: RE: good answers to bad questions Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:05:47 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <399404F8.C0D327BB@mitretek.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 CWP = Concealed Weapons Permit Hmmm, do I smell a gun thread? :-) (ducking) Brad WERA #980 Big pile of parts, but no bike -----Original Message----- From: Kristina M. Rogish [mailto:krogish@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 9:52 AM To: Tansey Cc: Rob Bell; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; harry@XXXXXX Subject: Re: good answers to bad questions Am I dumb? Must be.... what is "CWP"???? > Answer honestly, use "Sir" or Ma'am" when addressing the officer, and > at least in VA, your CWP DOES seem to help get you a warning vs. a bona > fide ticket (as long as my ex handed his over during a stop, he never got > the ticket, go figure). From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 10:08:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BE8f820436 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-245.s245.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.245]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13NFUE-0006Yd-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:08:38 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: stolen gear - cross post Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:13:54 GMT Message-ID: <399532e1.567544765@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7BE8g820437 up . . . up & away r6lady (F/Washington, DC) 8/10/00 3:40 am Hey now . . . I went to Chesapeake Beach (yes, Calvert County) on Monday, and someone stole my Shoei helmet, Olympia gloves, & First Gear leather jacket off my bike . . . so, if you see my gear in the street on an able body or for sale, keep your eyes open & beat um down for me! Is that the American way or what?! (my helmet has the USA flag on it) R6 Lady From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 10:12:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BECi820578 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-245.s245.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.245]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13NFY9-00075P-00; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:12:41 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Cc: Subject: Re: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:17:57 GMT Message-ID: <399634ca.568033675@smtp.erols.com> References: <001201c002f6$6dac6980$770810ac@cedric> In-Reply-To: <001201c002f6$6dac6980$770810ac@cedric> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7BECl820579 I'd file a lawsuit against prorgressive... there is a certain legality that says contracts can't be so vague or overtly wordy that it hides little things that gives the honest consumer the shaft. A judge would know what full coverage should reasonable entail, and I would think a jury would be sympathetic as well. after all the law is there to protect the little guy. Daniel |>That sucks. Were they in a garage? If not, don't mention it. Someone I |>know found out at the wrong time that Progressive only wrote policies on |>garaged bikes in his zip code; screaming didn't help, although he definitely |>tried. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 10:14:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BEEX820630 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-245.s245.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.245]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13NFZm-0007IG-00; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:14:22 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: MJordan666@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:19:39 GMT Message-ID: <3997356c.568195985@smtp.erols.com> References: <38.9e39334.26c48297@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <38.9e39334.26c48297@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7BEEj820631 Hmm I never thought about insurance replacing bent wheels... but how much would it cause my rate to go up when i go to renew my policy next year? My wheel isnt' bent that bad, I think i'll just leave it alone, and if i really crash my bike, then i'll throw that in with the claim. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 10:25:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BEPB820904 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-245.s245.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.245]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13NFk6-0000og-00; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:25:02 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Harry Mantakos Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:30:19 GMT Message-ID: <399835bf.568279025@smtp.erols.com> References: <200008102010.e7AKAbO07893@dirtydog.meretrix.com> In-Reply-To: <200008102010.e7AKAbO07893@dirtydog.meretrix.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7BEPI820911 |> - Do you know why I pulled you over? You saw me put the dope and the gun in the glove box when I saw you? just kidding! I think a decent answer would be "not exactly sir". This kind of doesn't lock him into giving you a certain ticket. He might decide to give you some penny-anti ticket if he feels your a swell guy. |> - Do you know how fast you were going? my answer is "yes". That's not exactly a confession. |> - Do you know what the speed limit is here? I would try to go with the "yes" again for that one. the cops tend to ask you those two and give you a ticket if you are the kind of person who is driving a long not knowing how fast youa re the speed limit is.. plus it supports their case that you didnt' know anything, nullifying your testimony. If they ask exactly "what" those speeds are, I think it might be wise to say something like, "i'm not sure if i should answer, a lawyer might tell me not to answer, so I'll respectfully decline to answer sir, and i definitely am not trying to give you a hard time sir. Just want to let you do your job tonight" |> - Any reason why you were going so fast? I have used the "I've got to use the bathroom" and then gotten the response "is that worth getting a ticket?" and I think I said "no mam" (yes it was a female).. and inside i was thinking "hell yeah, i'd rather get a ticket than shit on myself" but the truth is i was lying about having to use the bathroom. So anyway, she asks to search my car, open my trunk or whatever.. and I say "well I dont' have anything to hide or be found so I wouldn't want to waste your time, but if you stilll wanna look ok". and she aksed me to pop her trunk, i did, she took a quick look, and let me go without a ticket. also told me i needed an inspection sticker.. i had VA tags at the time. Oh yeah and she told me to get my shocks fixed cuz i was boncing a little. (ok a lot) Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, but I figured if i did this time, I might not get a ticket. I was right. it was a u.s. park police officer on the b/w parkway. Daniel FWIW From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 10:35:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BEZH821178 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-245.s245.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.245]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13NFtx-0002If-00; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:35:13 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dysart@XXXXXX Cc: Harry Mantakos , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:40:29 GMT Message-ID: <399b39c3.569306410@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000811122708.28411.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000811122708.28411.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7BEZq821185 |>I like these answers... |> |>Glenn I was riding down the road one day and a cop pulls me over. He says what's the hurry. I say i'm late for an apointment to stretch out an anus... and he says "stretch out an anus sir?" and I go yeah.. first i start with 2 inches, then 3, then 4, until i get to 6 feet!!! And do you know what you do with a 6 foot anus? You put him on the side of the road with a donut and a radar gun! Daniel ok it didn't really happen, its' a joe pesci joke From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 10:40:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BEeD821255 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-245.s245.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.245]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13NFyl-0002ya-00; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:40:11 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tansey Cc: Rob Bell , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "harry@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: good answers to bad questions Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:45:27 GMT Message-ID: <399c3b61.569721300@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7BEeF821257 On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:09:32 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: |>Shannon |>-who tends to speed only in the car, and is anxiously awaiting her |>CWP in the mail. :) I'm the opposite, on the bike and only on the bike. Speeding on a bike is like dating a woman... speeding in a car is like a teenager having a crush on you.. and its' just not the real thing. : ) Daniel Ride like I don't want ot see the cops, and drive like there is one tailing me home From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 10:47:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7BEli821507 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000811144736.27555.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.177] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:47:36 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:47:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dumb cop questions To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, but I > figured if i did > this time, I might not get a ticket. this is a joke, right? if you answer 'no' to the search request, you've supplied the police with all the suspicion they need to then execute a vehicle search without your consent -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 10:53:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BErQ821645 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05227; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 2000081110494459:17746 ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:49:44 -0400 Message-ID: <3994130E.4DCA4DA4@mitretek.org> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:51:58 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Reply-To: krogish@XXXXXX Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Reazor CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Beach Trip References: <006b01c00327$b0b2f560$8d87d2cc@rochester.rr.com> <03f501c00337$aa7bd260$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/11/2000 10:49:46 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/11/2000 10:49:51 AM, Serialize complete at 08/11/2000 10:49:51 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm planning on hitting the road for Dewey Beach on Saturday AM, hopefully after a brief social-stint at the Java Shack (hmmm, caffeine!). You're welcome to meet up with me there at 9:30 and hit the road with me, but I don't know that I can keep my speed down to 60mph, esp. not on Route 50.... you'll get squashed and killed at that low speed. Chris Weaver..... you heading out this weekend too? What time are you leaving Sunday to come back? I would like to leave mid-late afternoon... just have to be in Gaithersburg by 9pm-ish to cheer on my indoor team. James Reazor wrote: > Is any one going to the Delaware or Maryland beaches on Saturday? I'm > heading for Bethany early saturday morning and wouldn't mind some company if > anyone else is heading in the same direction. One word of warning though, > I'm still breaking my bike in so I'm limited to about 60 mph. > > James From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 10:58:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BEwv821741 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32009 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:58:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:58:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions In-Reply-To: <20000811144736.27555.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, but I > > figured if i did > > this time, I might not get a ticket. > > this is a joke, right? if you answer 'no' to the > search request, you've supplied the police with all > the suspicion they need to then execute a vehicle > search without your consent > Whats the right answer then? Even if I don't have anything to hide, and I trust that the cops aren't going to plant something, what if I don't want to have my car searched? Yes, you can search it, right after my lawyer shows up? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 11:10:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7BFAl821906 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000811151029.9420.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.177] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:10:29 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:10:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dumb cop questions To: Dan Brown , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dan Brown wrote: > > > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, but > > > I figured if i did > > > this time, I might not get a ticket. > > > > this is a joke, right? if you answer 'no' to the > > search request, you've supplied the police with > > all the suspicion they need to then execute a > > vehicle search without your consent > > > > Whats the right answer then? there is no right answer....if there was something about you that made the officer want to search the vehicle, and you back up this suspicion by denying him the opportunity, you are SOL > Even if I don't have anything to hide, > and I trust that the cops aren't going to plant > something, what if I > don't want to have my car searched? as i said in an earlier post....you as a citizen have chosen to drive on the highways in a mobile evidence carrier and you have a lesser expectation of privacy because of it if you don't want your vehicle searched, don't drive it on the highways hey....i know it sucks. the key to excluding evidence obtained is to show that there was no cause for suspicion in the first place (saying 'no' to a search is (imo) downright idiotic....so hide the shit well, OK? ;) > Yes, you can search it, right after my lawyer shows > up? why have a lawyer show up? to observe the search? your 5th amendment right against compelled self-incrimination does not apply to physical evidence obtained in a lawful search -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 11:13:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BFDH821986 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA1030881 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399417F0.15179B33@radix.net> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:12:48 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions References: <20000811144736.27555.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, but I > > figured if i did > > this time, I might not get a ticket. > > this is a joke, right? Not at all. Basically speaking, if you're *asked* for permission to search your car, there isn't sufficient probable cause for a search. Without probable cause or permission, they cannot legally search. > if you answer 'no' to the > search request, you've supplied the police with all > the suspicion they need to then execute a vehicle > search without your consent No, there has to be immediately suspicious content in/on the vehicle. Generally, when you refuse permission to search 2 things happen 1: cop immediately calls for more cops in order to intimidate you. When they arrive, they threaten to impound your vehicle, arrest you, & try general bullying tactics to get your consent. 2: you will get no warning & you most certainly WILL get some sort of ticket, even if they had nothing to stop you for, period. However, all you have to do is ask 'Am I free to go now?' - at that point, if you have not granted permission to search (you must have refused), AND there is no probable cause to suspect you of a crime other than the infraction for which you were detained, they must release you immediately, or be in violation of your civil rights ; unreasonable search & seizure - a criminal violation in which sovereign immunity is waived (they have no protection under the sovereign immunity clause). Most cops simply aren't willing to risk actually having to spend time in the klink themselves... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 12:15:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BGF2823240 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA28375; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:38:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , "James Reazor" Cc: Subject: RE: Beach Trip Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:42:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3994130E.4DCA4DA4@mitretek.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal For the record, I will not be going to the beach this weekend. I would respond to idividuals about this, but there have been a few folks on the list who have asked me recently. I'm putting up a new website for my company and will probably be working most of the weekend. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Kristina M. Rogish [mailto:krogish@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 7:52 AM To: James Reazor Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Beach Trip I'm planning on hitting the road for Dewey Beach on Saturday AM, hopefully after a brief social-stint at the Java Shack (hmmm, caffeine!). You're welcome to meet up with me there at 9:30 and hit the road with me, but I don't know that I can keep my speed down to 60mph, esp. not on Route 50.... you'll get squashed and killed at that low speed. Chris Weaver..... you heading out this weekend too? What time are you leaving Sunday to come back? I would like to leave mid-late afternoon... just have to be in Gaithersburg by 9pm-ish to cheer on my indoor team. James Reazor wrote: > Is any one going to the Delaware or Maryland beaches on Saturday? I'm > heading for Bethany early saturday morning and wouldn't mind some company if > anyone else is heading in the same direction. One word of warning though, > I'm still breaking my bike in so I'm limited to about 60 mph. > > James From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 13:14:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7BHEW824141 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000811171425.4240.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.189] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:14:25 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:14:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dumb cop questions To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, but > > > I figured if i did > > > this time, I might not get a ticket. > > > > this is a joke, right? > > Not at all. Basically speaking, if you're > *asked* for permission to > search your car, there isn't sufficient probable > cause for a search. > Without probable cause or permission, they cannot > legally search. actually, the police have the IMMEDIATE right to search the entire passenger compartment of the vehicle to make a determination if there is a weapon within the driver's 'wingspan' additionally, while there may be a need for full blown probable cause to search the trunk of the vehicle, there is NOT a need for probable cause to search the interior. as i stated recently, this is one of law enforcement's greatest weapons against the drug trade > > if you answer 'no' to the > > search request, you've supplied the police with > > all > > the suspicion they need to then execute a vehicle > > search without your consent > > No, there has to be immediately suspicious content > in/on the vehicle. and you have therefore contradicted your earlier statement that probable cause is required. a reasonable articulable suspicion is a lower standard than probable cause. > Generally, when you refuse permission to search 2 > things happen 1: cop > immediately calls for more cops in order to > intimidate you. When they > arrive, they threaten to impound your vehicle, > arrest you, & try general > bullying tactics to get your consent. 2: you will > get no warning & you > most certainly WILL get some sort of ticket, even if > they had nothing to > stop you for, period. > However, all you have to do is ask 'Am I free to go > now?' - at that > point, if you have not granted permission to search > (you must have > refused), AND there is no probable cause to suspect > you of a crime other > than the infraction for which you were detained, > they must release you > immediately, or be in violation of your civil rights > ; unreasonable > search & seizure - a criminal violation in which > sovereign immunity is > waived (they have no protection under the sovereign > immunity clause). you are mostly correct here....a suspect should certainly ask to leave at this point, and police refusal without a valid basis does amount to a 'seizure' of the person and perhaps a false imprisonment claim re: sovereign immunity....i've seen you bring this up before in another unrelated thread. i'm sure it has very little impact on officers' actions. all this does is allow citizens to sue the state (in addition to the arresting officer). it creates a deep pocket to collect from. i really don't see the connection here. > Most cops simply aren't willing to risk actually > having to spend time in > the klink themselves... you can always sue the individual actor -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 13:19:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BHJU824238 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13NISF-0002tT-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:18:47 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:19:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions In-Reply-To: <20000811144736.27555.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, but I > > figured if i did > > this time, I might not get a ticket. > > this is a joke, right? if you answer 'no' to the > search request, you've supplied the police with all > the suspicion they need to then execute a vehicle > search without your consent I hope it's not a joke. According to various cops I've spoken with they only ask if they don't have probable cause and NO is the correct answer. I believe it has something to do with what's left of the Bill of Rights or somesuch. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 14:03:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BI3m824945 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA1061383 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39943FF3.E287CA5@radix.net> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:03:31 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions References: <20000811171425.4240.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > > actually, the police have the IMMEDIATE right to > search the entire passenger compartment of the vehicle > to make a determination if there is a weapon within > the driver's 'wingspan' They may observe the immediately visible area ( shine a flashlight in your windows, but otherwise cannot enter the vehicle without cause or permission, period. Weapon should be clarified, as any item that could possibly be used as a weapon, but the immediate perusal of your vehicle is limited to what the officer can see without intrusion into the vehicle. > > additionally, while there may be a need for full blown > probable cause to search the trunk of the vehicle, > there is NOT a need for probable cause to search the > interior. as i stated recently, this is one of law > enforcement's greatest weapons against the drug trade Yes, there is, but if you do not ask 'am I free to go' , courts across the land have upheld that you have by omission waived your right against unreasonable search and seizure - just as in court, if you do not assert right, privilege, or precedent, or otherwise make no argument, you can be convicted without grounds for appeal... > and you have therefore contradicted your earlier > statement that probable cause is required. a > reasonable articulable suspicion is a lower standard > than probable cause. Not sure I understand the contradiction ; suspicion is good enough for a cop to make a traffic stop, but not to search a vehicle or person. let's say you're stopped, your car cabin is empty, but for you - Since there's no reason for the officer to suspect you of criminal wrongdoing, & nothing to indicate you're in possession of anything illegal then unless you grant the guy permission to search, he has no probable cause. If he's inclined to search for suspicion, likely he'll ask 'do you mind if I search your vehicle' or he'll phrase it more forcefully as to bully you into allowing him. If they ask, they have no cause. If you respond, no, you may not, am I free to go, it's time for him to $hit or get off the pot & either arrest you & roll the dice or let you go. > you are mostly correct here....a suspect should > certainly ask to leave at this point, and police > refusal without a valid basis does amount to a > 'seizure' of the person and perhaps a false > imprisonment claim it's also a violation of your civil rights. > > re: sovereign immunity....i've seen you bring this up > before in another unrelated thread. i'm sure it has > very little impact on officers' actions. all this > does is allow citizens to sue the state (in addition > to the arresting officer). it creates a deep pocket > to collect from. i really don't see the connection > here. it also protects from criminal prosecution of a 'state' official in certain aspects. cops are trained very well to know what they can get away with & what not - don't sell them short. > > you can always sue the individual actor Not unless they've themselves committed a criminal act, & the 'state' waives sovereign immunity. Just read the Va. code Monday & came across this. Can't quote it, but that's the gist of it. This is way off cycle topic ; if you wish to discuss further, we should keep this off list. out of here now, have a good weekend. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 14:16:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BIFw825198 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:15:12 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86E9@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Dave Yates'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dumb cop questions Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:06:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Dave, this is great information. Question, if he asks to search my car, trunk, etc and I say no, what can he do next? If he doesn't have cause to search, how can he have cause to arrest? Does he need to get a warrant to search? Thanks Mark > Not sure I understand the contradiction ; suspicion is good enough > for > a cop to make a traffic stop, but not to search a vehicle or person. > let's say you're stopped, your car cabin is empty, but for you - Since > there's no reason for the officer to suspect you of criminal wrongdoing, > & nothing to indicate you're in possession of anything illegal then > unless you grant the guy permission to search, he has no probable > cause. If he's inclined to search for suspicion, likely he'll ask 'do > you mind if I search your vehicle' or he'll phrase it more forcefully as > to bully you into allowing him. If they ask, they have no cause. If > you respond, no, you may not, am I free to go, it's time for him to $hit > or get off the pot & either arrest you & roll the dice or let you > go. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 14:23:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BINK825284 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:22:44 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86EA@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Saturday Ride Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:13:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Laura, Chuck et al... Sorry I will not be at the group ride. Denny still has my bike in the shop, replacing the clutch. Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 14:30:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BIUB825446 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-45.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.109]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05115; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399471B5.5E1F3845@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:35:49 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Rob Keiser , lgranato@XXXXXX, michelle.kaston@XXXXXX Subject: Directions to The Java Shack Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you planning to do tomorrow's relaxed ride led by Laura and Michelle and supported by me and Rob, here are the directions to The Java Shack http://www.javashack.com in Arlington, VA. The Java Shack is located at 2507 N. Franklin St., (703) 527-9556, at the 3-way intersection of Wilson Blvd., N. Barton St., and N. Franklin St., next door to Mr. Tire. A. From DC coming over Key Bridge: 1. Come into Rosslyn and turn right on Lee Hwy. (should be the first traffic light) 2. Turn left on N. Veitch St. (4-way intersection w/traffic light, Bergmann's Cleaners on the right) 3. Turn right on Wilson Blvd. (first traffic light) 4. The 3-way intersection of Wilson Blvd., N. Barton St., and N. Franklin St. is the next light 5. You will want to make a 45-degree right onto N. Franklin St. B. From DC via Roosevelt Bridge/I-66: 1. Take the Lee Hwy. exit 2. Go straight on Lee Hwy. 3. Follow directions from A @ 2 C. From Crystal City via 110: 1. Come into Rosslyn and onto Wilson Blvd. 2. Go straight on Wilson Blvd. until you reach the 3-way intersection of Wilson Blvd., N. Barton St., and N. Franklin St. D. From Old Town via GWP: 1. Take Spout Run exit 2. Turn left on Lee Hwy. (4-way intersection w/traffic light, shopping center w/Giant on right) 3. Turn right on N. Veitch St. (4-way intersection w/traffic light, Bergmann's Cleaners on left) 4. Follow directions from A @ 3 E. From I-66 coming east into DC: 1. Take Lee Hwy. exit 2. Turn right onto Lee Hwy. 3. Follow directions from D @ 3 F. From I-395 northbound: 1. Take Washington Blvd. exit 2. Take Route 50 east (towards DC) exit and move into far left lane 3. Turn left on N. Pershing Dr. (first traffic light) 4. Turn right on N. Barton St. (first right) 5. Stay on N. Barton St. until you get to Wilson Blvd. (should be 3rd traffic light) -- you'll see Mr. Tire and The Java Shack across the street I think that covers most of the likely approach corridors. I've tried to give the easiest directions, not necessarily the fastest way there. If in doubt, consult a map! Chuck From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 15:03:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7BJ3b825922 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000811190329.27753.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.189] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:03:29 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:03:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dumb cop questions To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > and you have therefore contradicted your earlier > > statement that probable cause is required. a > > reasonable articulable suspicion is a lower > > standard than probable cause. > > Not sure I understand the contradiction ; > suspicion is good enough for > a cop to make a traffic stop, but not to search a > vehicle or person. > let's say you're stopped, your car cabin is empty, > but for you - Since > there's no reason for the officer to suspect you of > criminal wrongdoing, > & nothing to indicate you're in possession of > anything illegal then > unless you grant the guy permission to search, he > has no probable cause. ahhh.....but even if your car is empty and you are alone, there may be plenty of reasons for the police to suspect you of criminal wrongdoing. take daniel for instance (he did, after all, bring up the topic and it is his angle that i was observing things from) ... from the sound of it, he has had his share of run-ins with the law (read: possible warrants or name recognition by police or dispatch); he has expressed that he would be inclined to say 'no' to a search request; he is young, perhaps angry or nervous, perhaps stinking of smoke of some sort, etc. The standard that is used to judge probable cause or reasonable suspicion is a 'totality of the circumstances' standard. add up all the info available to a cop and its pretty damn easy to meet the applicable standard (and often justifiable to a neutral factfinder later especially when the search produces contraband). note: it sounds as though we agree on the basics, but i'm looking at things from the perspective of someone who has something to hide, while you are looking at things from the perspective from someone who has nothing to hide but doesn't want to deal with the delay i think our daniel fits (sometimes) in the former group! ;) > > you are mostly correct here....a suspect should > > certainly ask to leave at this point, and police > > refusal without a valid basis does amount to a > > 'seizure' of the person and perhaps a false > > imprisonment claim > > it's also a violation of your civil rights. that's what i implied....a seizure of a person without justification is a violation > > re: sovereign immunity....i've seen you bring this > > up before in another unrelated thread. i'm sure it > > has very little impact on officers' actions. all > > this does is allow citizens to sue the state (in > > addition to the arresting officer). it creates a > > deep pocket to collect from. i really don't see > > the connection here. > > it also protects from criminal prosecution of a > 'state' official in certain aspects. cops are > trained very well to know what they can get > away with & what not - don't sell them short. i would never underestimate the shady tactics of the police, but.... > > you can always sue the individual actor > > not unless they've themselves committed a > criminal act, & the 'state' waives sovereign > immunity. well, my statement was obviously (i think) made in the context of a situation in which an allegedly criminal act had in fact been made by the state official. dave, i'm no expert here, but it seems to me that sovereign immunity has been waived in most, if not all instances in which a state official has deprived a citizen of 14th amendment rights under color of law. > Just read the Va. code Monday & came across > this. Can't quote it, but that's the gist of it. i don't doubt it (and if you haven't noticed i'm referring to u.s. constitutional law rather than any particular state)....i just think it is not relevant here because immunity has been waived in this context > This is way off cycle topic ; if you wish to discuss > further, we should keep this off list. i notice that we have recently been approved by the Kitchell Content Control Board (shit...i thought Chris Weaver headed the unit ;)...so i think we're fine > out of here now, have a good weekend. you too....but what i want to know is why a techie knows so damn much about the law! please clue us in -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 15:06:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7BJ6G826004 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000811190604.2185.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.189] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:06:04 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:06:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: dumb cop questions To: "Ledford, Calvin" , Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii and u.s. const. law says that every bit of the passenger compartment of the vehicle is 'within the reach' of the occupant.....just not the trunk --- "Ledford, Calvin" wrote: > As a former LEO I was trained that a police officer > can search ONLY the area > in the passenger compartment that is within *reach* > of the occupants. > > > > -Calvin > '00VFR800FI > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 1:14 PM > To: Dave Yates > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: dumb cop questions > > > --- Dave Yates wrote: > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > > Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, > but > > > > I figured if i did > > > > this time, I might not get a ticket. > > > > > > this is a joke, right? > > > > Not at all. Basically speaking, if you're > > *asked* for permission to > > search your car, there isn't sufficient probable > > cause for a search. > > Without probable cause or permission, they cannot > > legally search. > > actually, the police have the IMMEDIATE right to > search the entire passenger compartment of the > vehicle > to make a determination if there is a weapon within > the driver's 'wingspan' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 15:25:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BJPK826281 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-32 #43876) with ESMTP id <0FZ500CJZ5THML@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <36R3KTGR>; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:54:14 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:53:34 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: dumb cop questions To: "'Tom Gimer'" , Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC6800F9AC7@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As a former LEO I was trained that a police officer can search ONLY the area in the passenger compartment that is within *reach* of the occupants. -Calvin '00VFR800FI -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 1:14 PM To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions --- Dave Yates wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, but > > > I figured if i did > > > this time, I might not get a ticket. > > > > this is a joke, right? > > Not at all. Basically speaking, if you're > *asked* for permission to > search your car, there isn't sufficient probable > cause for a search. > Without probable cause or permission, they cannot > legally search. actually, the police have the IMMEDIATE right to search the entire passenger compartment of the vehicle to make a determination if there is a weapon within the driver's 'wingspan' additionally, while there may be a need for full blown probable cause to search the trunk of the vehicle, there is NOT a need for probable cause to search the interior. as i stated recently, this is one of law enforcement's greatest weapons against the drug trade > > if you answer 'no' to the > > search request, you've supplied the police with > > all > > the suspicion they need to then execute a vehicle > > search without your consent > > No, there has to be immediately suspicious content > in/on the vehicle. and you have therefore contradicted your earlier statement that probable cause is required. a reasonable articulable suspicion is a lower standard than probable cause. > Generally, when you refuse permission to search 2 > things happen 1: cop > immediately calls for more cops in order to > intimidate you. When they > arrive, they threaten to impound your vehicle, > arrest you, & try general > bullying tactics to get your consent. 2: you will > get no warning & you > most certainly WILL get some sort of ticket, even if > they had nothing to > stop you for, period. > However, all you have to do is ask 'Am I free to go > now?' - at that > point, if you have not granted permission to search > (you must have > refused), AND there is no probable cause to suspect > you of a crime other > than the infraction for which you were detained, > they must release you > immediately, or be in violation of your civil rights > ; unreasonable > search & seizure - a criminal violation in which > sovereign immunity is > waived (they have no protection under the sovereign > immunity clause). you are mostly correct here....a suspect should certainly ask to leave at this point, and police refusal without a valid basis does amount to a 'seizure' of the person and perhaps a false imprisonment claim re: sovereign immunity....i've seen you bring this up before in another unrelated thread. i'm sure it has very little impact on officers' actions. all this does is allow citizens to sue the state (in addition to the arresting officer). it creates a deep pocket to collect from. i really don't see the connection here. > Most cops simply aren't willing to risk actually > having to spend time in > the klink themselves... you can always sue the individual actor -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 16:52:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BKq5827770 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-188.patriot.net [209.249.180.188]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7BKoK104135; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:50:21 -0400 Message-ID: <39946525.CC9BE584@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:42:13 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Dan Brown , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions References: <20000811151029.9420.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mine was searched in NJ a few decades ago. "probable cause" consisted on me being a teen with an attitude and driving a hot rodish machine. Having nothing to hide I said knock yourself out, dude. Cop couldn't get the triunk open - seems the *decked* car didn't have a trunk lock visible. Like duh - forgot how to get into sez TWA (me). That worked really well. I sat on ass for over an hour while cop got a real live search warrent from a judge. When cop produced a crowbar I miraculously remembered the cleverly hidden trunk release knob. Man, was cop pissed when all he found was tools. Problem was every frigging time I cruised thru that NJ burg I got stopped and yanked around. Lesson learned, can the attitude... Bill Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Dan Brown wrote: > > > > > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > > Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, but > > > > I figured if i did > > > > this time, I might not get a ticket. > > > > > > this is a joke, right? if you answer 'no' to the > > > search request, you've supplied the police with > > > all the suspicion they need to then execute a > > > vehicle search without your consent > > > > > > > Whats the right answer then? > > there is no right answer....if there was something > about you that made the officer want to search the > vehicle, and you back up this suspicion by denying him > the opportunity, you are SOL > > > Even if I don't have anything to hide, > > and I trust that the cops aren't going to plant > > something, what if I > > don't want to have my car searched? > > as i said in an earlier post....you as a citizen have > chosen to drive on the highways in a mobile evidence > carrier and you have a lesser expectation of privacy > because of it > > if you don't want your vehicle searched, don't drive > it on the highways > > hey....i know it sucks. the key to excluding evidence > obtained is to show that there was no cause for > suspicion in the first place (saying 'no' to a search > is (imo) downright idiotic....so hide the shit well, > OK? ;) > > > Yes, you can search it, right after my lawyer shows > > up? > > why have a lawyer show up? to observe the search? > your 5th amendment right against compelled > self-incrimination does not apply to physical evidence > obtained in a lawful search > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 16:55:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BKtk827815 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-188.patriot.net [209.249.180.188]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7BKtf104786; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:55:42 -0400 Message-ID: <39946666.E9BA9B2A@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:47:34 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86EA@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Make sure he tightens all the important nuts :-) One unplugged alternator feed, one spit off camsahft nut, one lost sidecover bolt, caught the other one before it littered the road. Bill Mark Kitchell wrote: > Laura, Chuck et al... > > Sorry I will not be at the group ride. Denny still has my bike in the shop, > replacing the clutch. > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 18:34:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BMY8829357 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-113.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.113]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA04051 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:34:01 -0400 Posted-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:34:01 -0400 Message-ID: <00f901c003e4$2a9357a0$e0a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Discounted tools Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:31:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Happened to stop by the Prime Outlets shops (10min east of Bay Bridge in the 301/50 fork) today and came upon a large tent (on the Rte 50 side) discounting all kinds of auto and home tools -- mostly generic but in seemingly original packaging. Offhand they appeared to be 50% or more below retail and included such major items as floor jacks, dent removers, dollies, hoists, plus a wide, unusual variety of hand tools, electrical gear and workbench items of all kinds (though not a lot of small power tools). Think of a Sears non-Craftsman fire sale. While my apartment precludes much more than pliers and sockets, I did pick up a 25-key metric/SAE allen wrench set for $4 and a paintbrush and other little things for $1 apiece. This may not be the only place of this type around, and I don't recall seeing any brand names. But I felt it too interesting for those with a workbench shopping list to go unmentioned. They say they've been there for a few months and will be there as well as other new places in the future: They were too busy to ask the other obvious questions about sources, warranties, etc. Unfortunately their card (they are part of an Eastern Shore store operation) must have been swept away by the mighty hurricane of my 750's slipstream, but the Prime Outlets' office phone is 410 827 8699 which may help if hours, etc. are needed. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> How about bargain brandname gasoline? Huh? Huh? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 18:51:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BMp0829666 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-113.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.113]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA04829 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:50:55 -0400 Posted-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:50:55 -0400 Message-ID: <010101c003e6$81959840$e0a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: 1/2 inch -- 30 min -- shy of an oops Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:50:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 The relatively cool weather is NOT a reason to ignore that noontime sunpower -- frying-egg pavement temps crept up on me today and I rescued my bike from a kickstand grave in what seemed to be the nick of time. And only hours before I'd used my plastic footpad for a gravelly park. Timing is everything. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Kickstand/quicksand no good either Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 19:00:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BMxx829756 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-113.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.113]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA05169 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:59:55 -0400 Posted-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:59:55 -0400 Message-ID: <010e01c003e7$c102f8a0$e0a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Discounted tools (found merchant name) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:59:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_010B_01C003C6.39497FE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010B_01C003C6.39497FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The merchant's name is Marino's Tools & Car Audio. The card says they = have stores in Dover DE 302 734 2928 and Laurel DE 302 875 9527 along = with the TentSale in Queenstown Outlets. =20 Bill ------=_NextPart_000_010B_01C003C6.39497FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The merchant's name is Marino's Tools & Car = Audio. =20 The card says they have stores in Dover DE 302 734 2928 and Laurel DE = 302 875=20 9527 along with the TentSale in Queenstown Outlets.   =
 
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------=_NextPart_000_010B_01C003C6.39497FE0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 19:27:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BNRi800365 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-245.s245.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.245]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13NODE-0006cr-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:27:41 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions - OT - long profane rant don't read unless you're bored LOL Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:32:40 GMT Message-ID: <3994abc0.598492569@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000811190604.2185.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000811190604.2185.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7BNRw800366 uh I know this is off topic, but i think it's very educational. Not to mention it could apply to the compartments of motorcycles! :) (on topic now?) I hope that it won't be toooo private. Uh yeah, i've had my run ins with the law.. not because i was a menace to society, but because I lived in a bad neighborhood, was a teen, and the cops assume every kid is a crook. A cop once pulled me over driving my mother to work,for no reason, "just to check and see if everything was legitimate".. after he ran things through he gave my liscense back and said some bullshit about "just doing my job, you know I have to assume everyone is guilty" (or did he say suspect)... and I was thinking yeah dickhead.. you might want to wait for a crime to happen you stupid piece of shit. just what crime do you think i'm perpetrating with my MOTHER here in the passenger seat without so much as moving voilation occuring, yet you're pulling me over. I do tend recall a case where a judge ruled that an officer had no right to stop an individual who walked down the street yet constantly kept looking back at the police. the officer found a handgun but the case was thrown out of court... so I would like cops to stop me, IF a crime is occuring, otherwise leave me the f#@ck alone. They tend to ask stupid questions too.. like"where do you work".. as if that has anything to do with anything.. "why you looking for a job? you sure are a sorry ass cop!" lol.. hell no i didn't say that, i'm too damn scrawney and cops do kick kids asses.. Sometimes I just answered, to get them out of my hair and move on to a real crook. Sometimes truthfully. Sometimes lying (after all if you don't deserve an answer, then you dont deserve the right one). Sometimes I just infromed them that I knew my required obligations of information to provide, and that I was well aware of my rights. they seem to back off when you let them know you are aware of your rights. i guess they assume you are affiliated with a lawyer and would return the hassle they provide you. Its' actually kind of fun to see them pissed when they try to intimidate you, and you don't get intimidated, and you actually get them to back off. Fortunately I've never recieved an ass kicking.. well not directly. I once saw cops harrasing someone. Someone informed them they didn't have a right to do so. they then turned on him. and by harassment, I mean slam on the grand, putting thier knee's into their body, because they were mad. I was named a witness. Internal affairs interviewed me. I told the truth. Fucking cops told the local drug dealers I was a snitch. I ended up getting punched in the head. After that, I always use to appreciate when cops got hurt. After all, fuckin cop coulda got me killed. and what else did the lying cop know me from? I was walking down the street minding my biz, and the cop assumes i'm selling. She stops me, finds nothing, harrases me, and tells me to go in the house. I dont' go in the house.. (why should I,that's not within the scope of her duties, and she's not my mother). the cop sees me again... so I head home before she can reach me, and my mother is on the porch, and i'm saved from her harrasing me agian! bitch! hehe. That's not to say I dislike cops in general. I can appreciate professional police officers who understand what their duties are, and respect people until they have cause not to, as well as understand what citizens rights are. I used to hate cops, based on my background and experience with them.. and they have been lying civil rights violating thugs. In my rough neighborhood you had to watch out for the cops and the robbers. I sure was glad to get out of that place. 19 years there.. over a 3 or 4 year span i can count 19 shootings within 3 blocks of my home in various directions. One of those shootings was a homicide, and i was at the wrong place at the wrong time, hanging out in the dangerous streets, and I got shot in the leg. I was NOT an intended victim. And then being the scrawny white guy in a predomitately black rough neighborhood, its no wonder I built up a sort of small man's complex, clinical definition of paranoia and psychopathy. you couldn't tell could you? LOL but nah.. I'm an adult now, and I have my philosophies and understandings... in college taking pyschology classes I realised the issues I had, and the self realization changed me into giving up my paranoia and pyschopathic mindsets. I still have more philosophy than I have discipline but that's okay as long as that affects me and not you. I very much dislike violent people, and even worse when they wear a badge. I DO think police should be held to the standards of the laws they enforce. I DO realise there are a lot of good decent police officers. I DO recommend being polite and respectful towards them. I do wish for improvement in police conduct, and police - citizen relations. I do wish there was a cop on every street corner, and I do wish crime could be eliminated. So don't get me wrong.. As a thinking adult, i'm just trying to undo a negative foundation laid by a bunch of assholes... and since i'm not hiding any contraband...no I don't want them being nosey and digging through my property. And NO I never used drugs nor smoked.. and yes cops have lied and said they observed such in order to be nosey and search my vehicle. Some cops want to search the vehicle, lawfully or not.. they figure fuck the law, an unconstitutional search might get thrown out of court but another gun is off the street. ok i'm done now.. and if you think i'm crazy, you're the one sitting there reading this! LOL.. don't worry i'm not always like this, just a flash back! hehe Daniel From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 23:56:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f18.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.241.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7C3ul804194 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:56:39 -0700 Received: from 165.247.88.246 by lw6fd.law6.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.247.88.246] From: "John Kozyn" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: 1985 Honda VF700F "Interceptor" Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:56:38 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2000 03:56:39.0155 (UTC) FILETIME=[51505C30:01C00411] Hey DC Guys & Gals, My old bike is for sale. Check it out here: http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C18+R171899 Thanks, JK 95 VFR D-mode ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 12 13:05:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web1004.mail.yahoo.com (web1004.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.94]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7CH5T819210 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 13:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29954 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2000 17:05:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000812170518.29953.qmail@web1004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.161.3.204] by web1004.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:05:18 PDT Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:05:18 -0700 (PDT) From: David Custer Subject: 97 ninja for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm not a subscriber to the list but a friend told me that this might be a good way to sell a bike. I apolgize if this is an incorrect use of this list. For sale: 1997 Kawasaki Ninja 500 Less than 2,500 miles Red (primary color) Asking price: $3,500 Location: Centreville, VA Photo available upon request. Send inquiries to dcuster42@XXXXXX Thanks! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 12 18:13:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7CMDu823708 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 18637 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2000 15:13:48 -0700 Received: from PPPa94-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.251) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2000 15:13:48 -0700 X-Sent: 12 Aug 2000 22:13:48 GMT Message-ID: <007f01c004ab$cde612e0$fb7c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: RR1 a success Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:22:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I'm happy to report that the first Relaxed Ride we had today was awesome. We had a few glitches, but all in all, it was great! We met at the Java Shack in Arlington at 9:30, with plans to leave by 10. Wound up leaving around 10:40...some people were getting a little antsy, but they hung in there till we left. We had about 20 bikes there, and five people who were new to DC-Cycles group rides, so I was really happy. We had a variety of route leaders today that included Michelle, Chuck, Lisa, and myself. Rob Keiser was the sweep for the group. The ride was great, and the pace never reached over 65 mph...nice and relaxed. Everyone seemed to enjoy themselves. Wound up at Polly's in DC for brunch...missing three people. Rob, and two of the newer riders (Jay and Mike, I believe). I made one mistake as a ride organizer...forgetting to explain to everyone that the sweep is there to watch out for the group to make sure everyone reaches our final destination ok...turns out that Rob and those two got separated from the group, Rob was making sure they got to Polly's ok, and found out halfway they were going home. Rob finally made it to Polly's, and after we got some food and drink in him, I think he felt a little better. :-) Sorry for the miscommunication on that one guys! Forgive me??? ;-) Special thanks to Michelle "where the hell am I?" Kaston for leading a majority of the ride, Chuck "I'm dropping back every once in a while that way I can bang on the throttle" Pena for helping with the route and leading (and being patient at our slower pace), Rob Keiser with the cleanest damn bike I've ever seen (can you come wash mine?) for sweeping the ride and taking an adventure down the beltway, and Lisa Goddard (who, I noticed, finally has her own seat back) for helping lead parts of the ride. I couldn't have done it without you guys and gals! Thanks to all of the "new" riders who came out, and to everyone else. I hope you had as much fun as I did! Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 12 18:56:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7CMu6824337 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGerm@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.e8.87dd714 (4459) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:55:54 -0400 (EDT) From: HGerm@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:55:53 EDT Subject: RR1 - So happy to have been a part of it.... Special thanks to Laura... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 What a ride! Thanks, so much, Laura, for making this happen for me. Without your urging, I would have missed out on the most fun I've had in quite sometime on a motorcycle (can we do it again, tomorrow - please). I must say, what impressed me the most about the ride, was the way in which it was handled. Laura, Sally, Chuck, Michelle and Rob made it seem as though I was in the hands of professional. Hell, I would have paid for this service :) Chuck slowing-up and moving to the outside lane to ensure the pack was in-tact; Laura, Michelle and Sally up front with the guiding torch; and Rob bring up the rear to make sure "I" did not get left behind ...it was all too cool (can we do it again, tomorrow - please). My favorite quote of the ride was from Michelle, "...because I want them" - In response to my question of how I was going to rationalize to my wife owning two bikes. Michelle, it was a good a line - but it didn't work - please come and see me in the Hospital if you get a moment :) Sooooo many cool bikes, sooooo many neat people, soooooo many great roads, such a well organized ride (can we do it again, tomorrow - please) Next time out, I'll be on my VFR - and please, be kind, and don't ask about how I got the black eye :) Thanks, everyone, for making my very first group ride one to remember!!!!! //Harold//(AKA: Sixy) From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 12 19:07:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7CN7o824611 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-10.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.74]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA08971; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399603C2.60105052@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:11:14 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laura Granato CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR1 a success References: <007f01c004ab$cde612e0$fb7c3004@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura gets the DC-Cycles award for "Leading Largest Group Ride Without A Crash"! %^) At least so far this year. The ride was for sure relaxed. Not your usual bang the throttle open sportbike crowd. Definitely a good ride for those who just wanted to "cruise" (regardless of whether they were perched aboard a cruiser or not!) and first-time group riders who want to steer clear of the aforementioned bang the throttle open crowd. I have to admit that it took a lot of self-control to not go fast, but did my best to keep the ever-present testosterone in check. OK, I lost it a couple of times and just had to open it up a little for a bit! But I think all in all I behaved myself pretty well. Hope Laura will forgive me and invite me out to play again! %^) Most fun of the day (for me and Rob at least): Falling way back on Manor Woods Rd. and then getting a chance to open it up through the sweeper esses just before making the left on 351/Ballenger Creek. Hard on the throttle through the righthander. Leaned over pretty good. Ready to set it up and go for it through the lefthander. Only to find myself staring at the back end of some sort of farm vehicle moving at 5-10 mph! Yikes! Fortunately, plenty of road still in front of me. Nonetheless, hard on the brakes with the m/c still leaned over to scrub off enough speed Hope everyone enjoyed themselves. Great day for riding. I tried to pick roads that would be fun to ride but not difficult for a relaxed pace or for newbie-types. Enough turns to make it interesting, but not demanding twisties to make it too hard. Oh yeah, despite spending the vast majority of our riding time in the great state of Maryland (home of Operation Road Rocket Roundup), we didn't see a single cop! Not that we were speeding, of course! %^) Hope everyone enjoyed coffee at Java Shack (FYI, the owner Dale gets a real kick out of seeing all the m/c's when we start rides from there) and brunch at Polly's (another friend, Cici, is the owner). Hope some of y'all get a chance to visit both again (even if not part of an organized) if it's convenient for you. Rob - Sorry about all the confusion after leaving the gas station in Potomac. I/we need to do a better job of making sure everyone is good-to-go before taking off. My bad. I know better. Waited (what seemed like forever) on Clara Barton, but after a while it was apparent that you weren't behind and I just hoped that you would find your way to Polly's OK (which you eventually did). Chuck Laura Granato wrote: > > I'm happy to report that the first Relaxed Ride we had today was awesome. > We had a few glitches, but all in all, it was great! > > We met at the Java Shack in Arlington at 9:30, with plans to leave by 10. > Wound up leaving around 10:40...some people were getting a little antsy, but > they hung in there till we left. We had about 20 bikes there, and five > people who were new to DC-Cycles group rides, so I was really happy. > > We had a variety of route leaders today that included Michelle, Chuck, Lisa, > and myself. Rob Keiser was the sweep for the group. The ride was great, > and the pace never reached over 65 mph...nice and relaxed. Everyone seemed > to enjoy themselves. > > Wound up at Polly's in DC for brunch...missing three people. Rob, and two > of the newer riders (Jay and Mike, I believe). I made one mistake as a ride > organizer...forgetting to explain to everyone that the sweep is there to > watch out for the group to make sure everyone reaches our final destination > ok...turns out that Rob and those two got separated from the group, Rob was > making sure they got to Polly's ok, and found out halfway they were going > home. Rob finally made it to Polly's, and after we got some food and drink > in him, I think he felt a little better. :-) Sorry for the > miscommunication on that one guys! Forgive me??? ;-) > > Special thanks to Michelle "where the hell am I?" Kaston for leading a > majority of the ride, Chuck "I'm dropping back every once in a while that > way I can bang on the throttle" Pena for helping with the route and leading > (and being patient at our slower pace), Rob Keiser with the cleanest damn > bike I've ever seen (can you come wash mine?) for sweeping the ride and > taking an adventure down the beltway, and Lisa Goddard (who, I noticed, > finally has her own seat back) for helping lead parts of the ride. I > couldn't have done it without you guys and gals! > > Thanks to all of the "new" riders who came out, and to everyone else. I > hope you had as much fun as I did! > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 12 22:00:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f4.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7D203827111 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:59:55 -0700 Received: from 172.169.244.42 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [172.169.244.42] From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Subject: RR1 a success Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:59:55 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2000 01:59:55.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D6CBDE0:01C004CA] Even with the side trip around the beltway and the manhole dodging in the district, I have to say I really enjoyed our Relaxed Ride today. With all the foul weather lately, Laura, your sure picked a winner of a day making all my 200+ miles worth it. (Beltway detour included ;) Nice to meet so many new riders, and to put more names to people's faces/rides. Quite a nice selection of bikes, too, I must say. (VFR's still rule the show!!!) Welcome aboard Harold! You're gonna love it! It was also good to finally see what the Java Shack and Polly's are all about. Had heard too much about them from Chuck "Oops my throttle is broken, oh wait, no it isn't, I'm just setting myself up for the next set of twisties" Pena. Once I figured out what you were doing, I had to join in on the fun. Oh, and as a public service to all other riders with one of those reflective Halo's on their helmets....take it from me, they don't like triple digits on the speedo. (But going with the theme of the day, they were very 'relaxed' triple digits %^) borrowing Chuck's symbol. Well, the bike's all cooled off by now, gotta go wash it! LOL See you all next week at Carpool! Rob. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 12 22:21:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7D2LD827404 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.31.8c5c5cb (9665) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:20:59 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: <31.8c5c5cb.26c7600b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:20:59 EDT Subject: Re: RR1 a success To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Laura, Chuck, Michelle, Lisa, and Rob (did I miss any?) thanks for leading such a great ride! I haven't been on a DC-Cycles ride in over a year, and have been lurking on the list for about that time as well. If the rides are going to be like this one, I'll be there! Thanks again! BTW, we couldn't have gotten any closer to my apartment in Fredneck.. er Frederick without running laps through the parking lot. Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 12 22:40:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7D2ed827660 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGerm@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.48.98424d4 (16939) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:40:28 -0400 (EDT) From: HGerm@XXXXXX Message-ID: <48.98424d4.26c7649c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:40:28 EDT Subject: Re: Subject: RR1 a success To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Memorable ride event: ...is that my alarm? What's that strange noise at every turn :) //Harold// From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 12 22:59:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7D2xB827967 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.2f.927b02c (4589) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:58:55 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: <2f.927b02c.26c768ef@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:58:55 EDT Subject: Re: Subject: RR1 a success To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 In a message dated 8/12/00 10:41:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, HGerm@XXXXXX writes: > Memorable ride event: ...is that my alarm? What's that strange noise at > every turn :) //Harold// > LMAO... At first I had a false sense of pride, thinking my exhaust had set off a car alarm! Rob Note: This message may contain sarcasm. If you can't take sarcasm, please disregard this message and get a life. :) From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 12 23:13:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7D3Cw828202 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.a2.881538f (3895) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:12:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:12:44 EDT Subject: Moderate/Fast ride - morning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Hey there kids....sorry to post so late again; got busy this week! Anywho, there is a ride tomorrow departing from the Burger King in Sterling tomorrow. We'll be meeting around 9:30 am. This Burger King is located in front of Regal Cinemas in Sterling, on Rt.7. Approximately 1-2 miles east of the Rt. 28/ Rt. 7 intersection. If you see this in time, come on out. Route will be backroading out to 211, most likely. Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 12 23:41:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7D3f3828598 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGerm@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.72.212a18e (16939) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:40:48 -0400 (EDT) From: HGerm@XXXXXX Message-ID: <72.212a18e.26c772bf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:40:47 EDT Subject: Re: Subject: RR1 a success To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 > LMAO... At first I had a false sense of pride, thinking my exhaust had set > off a car alarm! > I should have warned you guys of my "turn signal" reminder "system" :) One thing for sure, I'll never leave my turns signals on accidentally :) FYI.. for most of the ride, I was listening to Riverdances (Irish music). Nothing like "rolling" through farm-lands listening to Irish music - totally awesome. Let's do this again, real soon - please ;) //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 09:07:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7DD7F808047 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGerm@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.9a.8651ddf (16939) for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:07:01 -0400 (EDT) From: HGerm@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9a.8651ddf.26c7f775@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:07:01 EDT Subject: Laura - need lottery number please To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Laura: you must have ESP... how did you know it was going to rain today, and yesterday would be perfect? Laura.. (AKA - weather forecaster) Could ya use that crystal-ball and give me some lottery numbers? If I should win millions, everyone on the list gets a new bike of their choice - Really B-) Harold (what's that strange noise) Germany//AKA: Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 09:17:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7DDHG808193 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Jonman72@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.68.65fd8ff (7331) for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:17:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonman72@XXXXXX Message-ID: <68.65fd8ff.26c7f9d0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:17:04 EDT Subject: Great Ride... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Thanks to everyone for a great ride yesterday. We couldn't have lucked out better with the weather, and the route was great. I'm afraid I may become a MacArthur Blvd junkie. Some great scenery as well, it was nice to be able to turn my head every now and again and actually see what I was riding past (as opposed to that green blur whizzing by on the other rides, although I really enjoy the green blur thing to). Excellent job by the ride leaders and sweepers (Rob, we should have bought you a beer after your tour 'de 495 on the way to brunch). Very professional job everyone. It was great meeting everyone as well, I'm looking forward to the next one! Jonathan '00 YZF600R From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 15:57:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7DJv1814138 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 17501 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2000 12:56:53 -0700 Received: from PPPa27-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.184) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2000 12:56:53 -0700 X-Sent: 13 Aug 2000 19:56:53 GMT Message-ID: <002e01c00561$d8d86200$b87c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , References: <9a.8651ddf.26c7f775@aol.com> Subject: Re: Laura - need lottery number please Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:05:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Could ya use > that crystal-ball and give me some lottery numbers> Wish I could predict lottery numbers...if I could, I'd own about 10 bikes...lmao..how 'bout I just try and predict another nice day for another fun ride? Laura > From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 16:11:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7DKBN814315 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va19-22.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.150]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA32579; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39972BED.9826049A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:14:53 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: HGerm@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR1 - So happy to have been a part of it.... Special thanks to Laura... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harold, First of all, glad you enjoyed yourself so much yesterday. That was the whole point of the ride. And loved your Valkyrie (sp?) with all the doo-dads (including the beeping noise that drove everyone crazy wondering what it was!) You asked what an "agressive/fast" ride was like during brunch at Polly's. Just to give you one point of comparison. We did yesterday's ride in 3.5+ hours including two stops for gas. I led essentially the very same ride on Father's Day (~120 miles). Mostly a sportbike group (but Herb held his own on his Magna!) No stops for gas. Less than 2.5 hours (closer to 2, but Herb can verify the time) from start to finish. FWIW, I consider myself reasonably fast (and am flattered when other riders think I'm fast). But if you want to see really fast, ride with the likes of Bryan Roach, Danny Thompson, Todd Peer, Collin Fagan (when he's in town) and others on DC-Cycles who make me feel slow (and I'm happy when I can keep them in sight ... or at least stay in the same zip code zone!) Cheers, Chuck HGerm@XXXXXX wrote : > > What a ride! Thanks, so much, Laura, for making this happen for me. Without > your urging, I would have missed out on the most fun I've had in quite > sometime on a motorcycle (can we do it again, tomorrow - please). -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 18:31:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7DMVP816409 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-132-39.s293.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.132.39] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13O6Hq-0006Li-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:31:23 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 08/09/00 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:22:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c00575$05469c40$2784a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <200008092300.e79N07Z09159@dirty.meretrix.com> > From: Boiade@XXXXXX > Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:32:49 EDT > Subject: Re: Pitbull rear stand > To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > If you go to www.kowatools.com you will find a number of stands available. > They were on sale recently and may still be. I purchased a front > and a rear > stand for about $130 for both. These stands are heavy-duty and > are the red > stands you may have seen used by some of the WSB teams on TV. Kowa Tools > doesn't advertise much outside the racing community so they are not well > known. > > Ciao, > > Fred Thanks for the info Fred. The stands are no longer on sale. They had a static balancer on sale, but sold out fast. Great site!! Todd From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 18:40:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7DMem816491 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id m.a.ec14a5 (16937); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:39:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:39:23 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/09/00 To: toddbpeer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Todd, Yeah, I like Kowa tools, no hype but good stuff and good prices. Someone on the list bought a stand at the regular price and still made out. I missed out on the static balancer too, got to visit more often. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 18:51:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7DMpa816711 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-132-39.s293.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.132.39] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13O6bN-0000Os-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:51:34 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Husons HD love affair Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:43:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c00577$d7475fc0$2784a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: Bill Huson Yes, but Sonny missied the whole point. Harleys have a *soul*, as in they're always *interesting*. Like you fire it up in the AM and you never really know if you'll be riding it back or bringing her back on a hook. Like every single completed ride is a success. Gives a warm fuzzy feeling, you know. And you'll definetely get to use all those neat tools you just had to buy. Harley's require massaging, a few pats, an occassional kiss, just like women. Ignore a Harley and it will leave you hi and dry, instead of wet and grinning. Jap bikes and *gag* beemers. Turn the key and varooommm.... Same shit, different day, no thrills, no wierd noises, no vibes = a boring lay :-) Bill You sir, have some serious issues. I thought for a second there you were gonna tell us what a gentleman you were because you sleep in the oil spot! ;-) Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 19:11:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7DNBh816991 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-132-39.s293.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.132.39] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13O6ur-0002di-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:11:41 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Suspicion of speeders Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:03:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c0057a$a6f69220$2784a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Fresh outta law school and already startin' shit: > > > Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, but > > > I figured if i did > > > this time, I might not get a ticket. > > > > this is a joke, right? if you answer 'no' to the > > search request, you've supplied the police with > > all the suspicion they need to then execute a > > vehicle search without your consent > > > > Whats the right answer then? there is no right answer....if there was something about you that made the officer want to search the vehicle, and you back up this suspicion by denying him the opportunity, you are SOL > Even if I don't have anything to hide, > and I trust that the cops aren't going to plant > something, what if I > don't want to have my car searched? as i said in an earlier post....you as a citizen have chosen to drive on the highways in a mobile evidence carrier and you have a lesser expectation of privacy because of it ------ > Horse shit! The analogy holds the same for ------ > anyone simply walking down the streets wearing ------ > big pants and flannel shirts....hmmm. ------ > Does speeding imply you have something to hide? ------ > I'd like Mr. Gawthorps take on this assessment. if you don't want your vehicle searched, don't drive it on the highways hey....i know it sucks. the key to excluding evidence obtained is to show that there was no cause for suspicion in the first place (saying 'no' to a search is (imo) downright idiotic....so hide the shit well, OK? ;) ----- > are we allowed to ask what the suspicion is? > Yes, you can search it, right after my lawyer shows > up? why have a lawyer show up? to observe the search? your 5th amendment right against compelled self-incrimination does not apply to physical evidence obtained in a lawful search -- tg -------------------------------------- Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 19:38:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7DNcS817450 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-226.patriot.net [209.249.180.226]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7DNcN115011; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:38:24 -0400 Message-ID: <39972F82.A02C10FA@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:30:10 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: AA DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Husons HD love affair References: <000201c00577$d7475fc0$2784a4d8@todd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > You sir, have some serious issues. I thought for a second there you were > gonna tell us what a gentleman you were because you sleep in the oil spot! > ;-) > Weeellll, now that you mention it .... :-> Of course, such romantic moments in the garage are usually after I've cracked wise to Milady, like when she bends over in white shorts and I go "Whoa, who ordered an outdoor movie screen." Bill - can I run fast? You betcha... From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 19:44:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7DNia817529 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000813234428.11189.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.88.42] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:44:28 PDT Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:44:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Looking for good prices on helmets To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll soon be in the market for a Shoei Xtec or RF800 full-face helmet. I remember a few list members making recommendations for dealers.. Could you post or email me a link, URL address, or phone # of the dealers? If anyone currently owns a Shoei Xtec and cares to comment on whether the Xtec is worth the few extra dollars over the RF800, I'd be curious to know. -Corbett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 19:50:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7DNoY817676 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-226.patriot.net [209.249.180.226]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7DNoU115752; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:50:30 -0400 Message-ID: <39973259.5E6CD818@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:42:17 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: AA DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Suspicion of speeders References: <000301c0057a$a6f69220$2784a4d8@todd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > hey....i know it sucks. the key to excluding evidence > obtained is to show that there was no cause for > suspicion in the first place (saying 'no' to a search > is (imo) downright idiotic....so hide the shit well, > OK? ;) > > A classic example of a bad search occured in Frfx Co, many moons ago. A self made before age 40 millionarie was set up by the feds. A girl invited Mr Horny Millionaire to her place, but the feds had dirt on her and had extorted her into rolling over on said millionaire. She flashed her lights and the feds desended on millionarie's car. Seems the *found* a small quantity of cocaine therein. Problem? Well, yes. The feds waited almost an hour before calling the county law. something about jurisdiction. They didn't wait to notify the media about their big bust. The media circus ruined the millionaire, but what about the coke charge? Mr Horan, attorney general and not one of my fav people, did the right thing for once. He said the search was bogus and failing to notify the county law in a timely manner completely comprised the case - charges dropped. But the millionaire was ruined. Justice? Not hardly. I remain of the opinion that fed law agencies are far more dangerous than local law. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 20:52:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7E0qA818565 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-11.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.203]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA13277; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39976DBD.4631112F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:55:41 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/09/00 References: <000101c00575$05469c40$2784a4d8@todd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd et al, If you go to http://www.kowatools.com/cgi-bin/miva?Merchant2/merchant.mv+Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=AKS2000&Category_Code=STANDS the Kowa rear and front stands are shown as 50% off. Chuck Todd Peer wrote: > > > Thanks for the info Fred. The stands are no longer on sale. They had a > static balancer on sale, but sold out fast. Great site!! -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 20:53:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7E0rc818576 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-11.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.203]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04146; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39976E14.53F59C01@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:57:08 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Corbett B CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Looking for good prices on helmets References: <20000813234428.11189.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Corbett, Collin is always recommending Dixie Cycles (down in LA). I have their phone number on my laptop at work. Remind me and I'll email it to you tomorrow (unless Collin posts before then). I can vouch that they can get you great pricing. Chuck Corbett B wrote: > > I'll soon be in the market for a Shoei Xtec or RF800 > full-face helmet. > > I remember a few list members making recommendations > for dealers.. Could you post or email me a link, URL > address, or phone # of the dealers? > > If anyone currently owns a Shoei Xtec and cares to > comment on whether the Xtec is worth the few extra > dollars over the RF800, I'd be curious to know. > > -Corbett > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 21:42:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7E1gE819307 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-180-89.s89.tnt3.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.180.89] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13O9GV-00024r-00; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:42:12 -0400 Message-ID: <07ad01c00591$18708d00$59b4accf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "Corbett B" Cc: References: <20000813234428.11189.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Looking for good prices on helmets Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:43:48 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Try Jenspeed (http://www.jenspeed.com/ 800-443-0625 ask for Angie if Paul is out). Paul has gotten me the best prices on all kinds of things. I just bought a KBC "Rush" (new Snell 95, DOT helmet) for $150. This helmet is as light or lighter than my Arai Quantum, has a no tool shield, and a nice design, I highly recommend it. Danny '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Corbett B To: DC Cycles Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 7:44 PM Subject: Looking for good prices on helmets > I'll soon be in the market for a Shoei Xtec or RF800 > full-face helmet. > > I remember a few list members making recommendations > for dealers.. Could you post or email me a link, URL > address, or phone # of the dealers? > > If anyone currently owns a Shoei Xtec and cares to > comment on whether the Xtec is worth the few extra > dollars over the RF800, I'd be curious to know. > > -Corbett > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 21:46:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7E1k7819384 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000814014559.17344.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.181] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:45:59 PDT Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:45:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Looking for good prices on helmets To: Danny Thompson , Corbett B Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii supposedly The Helmet Shop is the best source on the web: www.helmetshop.com --- Danny Thompson wrote: > Try Jenspeed (http://www.jenspeed.com/ 800-443-0625 > ask for Angie if Paul is > out). Paul has gotten me the best prices on all > kinds of things. I just > bought a KBC "Rush" (new Snell 95, DOT helmet) for > $150. This helmet is as > light or lighter than my Arai Quantum, has a no tool > shield, and a nice > design, I highly recommend it. > Danny > '99 SV (race bike) > Novice #903 > www.onewayracing.org > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free > @ 888-743-6825 > Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Corbett B > To: DC Cycles > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 7:44 PM > Subject: Looking for good prices on helmets > > > > I'll soon be in the market for a Shoei Xtec or > RF800 > > full-face helmet. > > > > I remember a few list members making > recommendations > > for dealers.. Could you post or email me a link, > URL > > address, or phone # of the dealers? > > > > If anyone currently owns a Shoei Xtec and cares to > > comment on whether the Xtec is worth the few extra > > dollars over the RF800, I'd be curious to know. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 22:56:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7E2uh820441 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-238-7.s261.tnt9.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.238.7]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13OAQa-0005zF-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:56:41 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: igntion advnacer? Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 06:01:47 GMT Message-ID: <39978a3b.3791356@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7E2ux820442 I have a 95 kaw zx6r. It definitely has a pipe on it. What exactly is jetting, changing needles that allow more gas AND air into the engine for more power? And I guess that's different from makign the mixture richer.. anyway.. my bike feels pretty powerful... I was wondering what I could expect to get, as far as performance gains, from an igntion advancer? I may be able to pick up one cheap... From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 23:16:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7E3Fw820870 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-27.patriot.net [209.249.180.27]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7E3Fr130448; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:15:54 -0400 Message-ID: <3997627B.E71FA19D@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:07:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: igntion advnacer? References: <39978a3b.3791356@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, good grief. You need "See Spot Turn Wrenchs - a primer for the mechanically challanged." Yes, jetting involves piddling with the fuel mixture, but you have lo-speed, mid-range, and hi-speed jets/needles The mixture at all speeds has to coordinate with the innie/outtie flow. Merely changing air cleaner brands can fug it up. Igniton advancer? You can advance the ignition by retiming what's allready there. Use a screwdriver, advance the pickup sensor - shazamm! You're advanced. Save money for new pistons and sleeves and valves. Electronic ignitions with different hi-pro advance curves can be purchased. Like pissing money in the toilet unless you attend to all the other variables (see above). Solution for the mechanically challanged. Take bike to a dealer with a dyno, empty wallet on counter, sign away a large portion of your future earnings, and tell them to make it fast. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I have a 95 kaw zx6r. It definitely has a pipe on it. > > What exactly is jetting, changing needles that allow more gas > AND air into the engine for more power? > > And I guess that's different from makign the mixture richer.. > > anyway.. my bike feels pretty powerful... I was wondering what I could > expect to get, as far as performance gains, from an igntion advancer? > I may be able to pick up one cheap... From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 00:10:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7E4A2821613 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.228.147.Washington1.Level3.net [209.244.228.147]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01409; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Charles V. Pena" , Cc: Subject: RE: RR1 - So happy to have been a part of it.... Special thanks to Laura... Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:02:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c005a4$6a3afcc0$93e4f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39972BED.9826049A@ix.netcom.com> For those of you that do like to haul ass every now & then, feel free to contact me. I ride at least once a week to the backroads of VA generally on an impromptu & sporadic basis, often with just a coupla bikes. This includes blowing out of work early enough to beat traffic sometimes during the week. Sometimes there's a big group of bikes on weekends. Always interested to meet people who just want to hit it whenever. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Charles V. Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 7:15 PM To: HGerm@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR1 - So happy to have been a part of it.... Special thanks to Laura... Harold, First of all, glad you enjoyed yourself so much yesterday. That was the whole point of the ride. And loved your Valkyrie (sp?) with all the doo-dads (including the beeping noise that drove everyone crazy wondering what it was!) You asked what an "agressive/fast" ride was like during brunch at Polly's. Just to give you one point of comparison. We did yesterday's ride in 3.5+ hours including two stops for gas. I led essentially the very same ride on Father's Day (~120 miles). Mostly a sportbike group (but Herb held his own on his Magna!) No stops for gas. Less than 2.5 hours (closer to 2, but Herb can verify the time) from start to finish. FWIW, I consider myself reasonably fast (and am flattered when other riders think I'm fast). But if you want to see really fast, ride with the likes of Bryan Roach, Danny Thompson, Todd Peer, Collin Fagan (when he's in town) and others on DC-Cycles who make me feel slow (and I'm happy when I can keep them in sight ... or at least stay in the same zip code zone!) Cheers, Chuck HGerm@XXXXXX wrote : > > What a ride! Thanks, so much, Laura, for making this happen for me. Without > your urging, I would have missed out on the most fun I've had in quite > sometime on a motorcycle (can we do it again, tomorrow - please). -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 00:50:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f43.hotmail.com [216.32.181.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7E4ob822256 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:50:29 -0700 Received: from 151.200.12.23 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.12.23] From: "Kewl GT" To: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Looking for good prices on helmets Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:50:29 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2000 04:50:29.0473 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B8F4510:01C005AB] I looked around for a Shoei helmet also, and found helmetshop.com to have the good prices. Let me know if you find any cheaper. Since they do not publish their prices online, below is a price list for Shoei helmets, about two weeks old. Hope this helps. Regards Sanath Shoei Helmets : X-SP II Solid Colors__________$449.99____________S-XL X-SP II Graphics _____________$549.99____________S-XL X-SP Solid Colors_____________$399.99____________S-XL X-SP Graphics______________________$449.99____________S-XL Syncrotec________________________$349.99______________XS-XL X-Tec Solids_____________________$369.99_______________SM-XL X-Tec Graphics___________________$449.99_______________SM-XL RF800 Manako______________$299.99____________XXS-XXL RF800 Picotte_____________$299.99____________XXS-XXL RF800 Nobby-2_____________$299.99____________XXS-XXL RF800 Trump_____________$299.99____________XXS-XXL RF800 Scepter_____________$279.99____________XXS-XXL RF800 Apex_____________$279.99____________XXS-XXL RF800 America_____________$279.99____________XXS-XXL RF800 Jag_________________$279.99____________XXS-XXL RF800 Solid Color__________$229.99____________XXS-XXL RFR Solid Color___________$175.99____________XXS-XXL RFR Domino________________$214.99____________XS-XXL X-9 Beatie_________________$389.99____________ XXL X-9 Duhamel_______________$389.99____________XXL RJ-Air____________________$139.99_____________XS-XXL ST-Cruz__________________$119.99_____________XS-XXL VFX-R Solids______________$299.99____________S-XL VFX-R Graphics____________$366.99____________S-XL VFX-R Pro Circuit_________$399.99____________S-XL FX-4 Solids_______________$199.99____________XXS-XXL FX-4 Graphics_____________$235.99____________XXS-XXL ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 05:46:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7E9kD827670 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 05:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.a.eebc39 (3984) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 05:46:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 05:45:59 EDT Subject: Re: Suspicion of speeders To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 In a message dated 8/13/00 7:12:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a writer wrote: << I'd like Mr. Gawthrops take on this assessment. >> Ok, i've been out of the net for a couple of days; catch me up on the issue . Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 06:06:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EA66827971 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 06:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id m.c.952e18d (3984); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 06:05:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 06:05:52 EDT Subject: Re: Suspicion of speeders To: toddbpeer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 The supreme court held that cars are an exception to the search rules because the pose a special flight risk. Baggy pants on a gang banger are not as much of a flight risk as concealment potential (as well as incredibly lousy taste in clothing by any cultural standard). The rule (for those of us who have worked inside law enforcement but are no longer a part of it) is: If you are clean, a consent search is a non-problem. At most you can take perverse delight in taking someone's time. If you are dirty, do not consent. If they find it anyway, there is a chance that the evidence will get thrown out later on some other technicality. But if you consent, and later the evidence were to be thrown out on a later technicality, it could still be used because you consented. Now, there are times when non-consent even when you are clean is appropriate. That's when the officer flunks the attitude test and then asks for your consent. One thing to remember, and this is good if you think you are being toyed with, is to ask the officer to request his supervisor to come to the scene. This may take some time. However, the advantages are that generally the supervisor sees stops in light of the department view (is this BS that may back fire; is it a training issue with a rookie cop, etc.) But be very circumspect about doing this. No attitudes, no violations on your part. You have to be pretty free of infractions to get thru a stop without a ticket if it starts going down hill when you call for a supervisor. However, the supervisor may be your best bet. Now, as for planting evidence. That stuff happens. What to do. Call for the supervisor. Tell him that the evidence has been planted and that you want incorporated into the police report a request for an internal affairs investigation. State that you will take a polygraph. (The examination will address only the issue of the evidence, not other activities leading up to the plant.) Ask that a polygraph be offered to the officer. After you are released from lockup, go straight to internal affairs and the Attorney general's office. Scream long, loud and often and hold a press conference. Offer no comment on the events leading up to the bust, but describe in excruciating detail the search procedures used by the police. Question whether this officer has a pattern of finding evidence like this (he probably does and it would be interesting to interview these guys). Check with the National Motorists Association on how to exploit other vulnerabilities in police procedure. Shift the focus from you to police (and by extension, Government) procedure. When you make your statement, avoid emotional generalizations. Be real specific and real calm. (Ever watch Spock on Star Trek - insider knowledge - testimony presented unemotionally, focused on the facts is disproportionately effective. If you are being screwed with on the road - take a long hard look at the National Motorist Association Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 07:36:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EBaB829337 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-238-7.s261.tnt9.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.238.7]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13OIXI-00006I-00; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:36:09 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: igntion advnacer? Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:41:19 GMT Message-ID: <399801d3.34411249@smtp.erols.com> References: <39978a3b.3791356@smtp.erols.com> <3997627B.E71FA19D@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3997627B.E71FA19D@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7EBaO829338 Thanks Bill. You know they say a single conversation with a wise man is worth 1000 books or something like that. So i'd rather ask. I'm not about to shell out all my money to make a bike faster. I'd rather buy a bigger bike. but said advancer was cheap like $20 so i thought i'd ask and see if I could get any horsepower out of it. Daniel 95 zx6r From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 07:52:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EBqb829586 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-57.patriot.net [209.249.180.57]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7EBqW124310; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:52:32 -0400 Message-ID: <3997DB91.D1C1A040@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:44:17 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: igntion advnacer? References: <39978a3b.3791356@smtp.erols.com> <3997627B.E71FA19D@patriot.net> <399801d3.34411249@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beware - the term "ignition advancer" is not norm. Antiques had manual ignition advance levers. Anyone can advance their ignition for free - the timing is adjustable. But the only to do this without problems is with a *black box* that modifies the entire curve. Idle may be as low as 0 deg BTDC and more than 40 deg at WFO. Just bumping it up to say 44 deg BTDC will screw the idle and cause major pinging at mid-range. You're better off spending $20 on a book. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Thanks Bill. You know they say a single conversation with a wise man > is worth 1000 books or something like that. So i'd rather ask. I'm > not about to shell out all my money to make a bike faster. I'd rather > buy a bigger bike. but said advancer was cheap like $20 so i thought > i'd ask and see if I could get any horsepower out of it. > > Daniel > 95 zx6r From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 07:52:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EBqp829596 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA1399613 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3997DD8B.EABEB4A0@radix.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:52:43 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions References: <20000811190329.27753.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > > ahhh.....but even if your car is empty and you are > alone, there may be plenty of reasons for the police > to suspect you of criminal wrongdoing. take daniel > for instance No thanks, I'm happily married :-) > (he did, after all, bring up the topic > and it is his angle that i was observing things from) > ... from the sound of it, he has had his share of > run-ins with the law ( c'mon Tom. Surely, you jest ? read: possible warrants or name > recognition by police or dispatch); he has expressed > that he would be inclined to say 'no' to a search > request; he is young, perhaps angry or nervous, > perhaps stinking of smoke of some sort, etc. The > standard that is used to judge probable cause or > reasonable suspicion is a 'totality of the > circumstances' standard. add up all the info > available to a cop and its pretty damn easy to meet > the applicable standard (and often justifiable to a > neutral factfinder later especially when the search > produces contraband). That's a very good point, Tom, something I neglected to mention... Obviously, if you stink of Jamaican weed, you're gonna get busted. Or, if they notice contraband or other suspicious stuff in / on the vehicle, You're probably going to be on the road side for a while... If you're firm enough, probably won't get searched... BUT, if you have nothing to hide, it may be quicker to let them have a peak... Once you open Pandora's box however, they can literally take your vehicle apart down to the frame :-( Yikes. > > note: it sounds as though we agree on the basics, but > i'm looking at things from the perspective of someone > who has something to hide, while you are looking at > things from the perspective from someone who has > nothing to hide but doesn't want to deal with the > delay That about sums it up. > > i think our daniel fits (sometimes) in the former > group! ;) Nah. I just can't picture that.... :-) > well, my statement was obviously (i think) made in the > context of a situation in which an allegedly criminal > act had in fact been made by the state official. > dave, i'm no expert here, but it seems to me that > sovereign immunity has been waived in most, if not all > instances in which a state official has deprived a > citizen of 14th amendment rights under color of law. 3 words - thin blue line. > i notice that we have recently been approved by the > Kitchell Content Control Board (shit...i thought Chris > Weaver headed the unit ;)...so i think we're fine There's so much turnover. oye. Hey, who regulates the Oil thread control ? Maybe it's time for another oil thread ? > > > out of here now, have a good weekend. > > you too....but what i want to know is why a techie > knows so damn much about the law! please clue us in As I've said before on the list ; my driving record used to provoke guffaws of laughter from MVA & Insurance staff alike, & it was getting tiresome paying all that insurance money. I was also failing to talk my way out of tickets. SO, after after losing in court on an 82 in a 55, I did a bunch of things - Joined the NMA. Read some of the traffic codes (MD) {HIGHLY BORING, but I have a high tolerance for reading dry, arcane text like IBM manuals} , read a couple of books on how to beat tickets & more importantly how to not draw the cop's attention as much. The latter has made the biggest difference. I just made it a simple monetary equation - I could buckle down & drive the speed limit (SHYEAH) or continue to drive as I had been previously (and go bankrupt) or learn how to blend in a little better & still enjoy driving... It probably doesn't hurt that even though I work on OS/390, I do web site admin. to satisfy documenting requirements :-) 'Hey, Dave, How's about doing some WORK today ? Stop Surfing ! my response 'I am working Boss, I'm learning how to better present web documentation on this Traffic Law site ...' -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 07:55:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EBtI829609 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA1377582 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3997DE23.90C96421@radix.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:55:15 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions References: <20000811190604.2185.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > > and u.s. const. law says that every bit of the > passenger compartment of the vehicle is 'within the > reach' of the occupant.....just not the trunk Also, I think that a passenger's purse is fair game, but also, I don't think police can order a passenger from the vehicle (both went to the Supreme Court) but check on the 'ordering passengers out of the vehicle) both in the last 2 years. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 08:13:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ECDC829910 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA1400673 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3997E254.F9CE987D@radix.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:13:08 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: igntion advnacer? References: <39978a3b.3791356@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > I have a 95 kaw zx6r. It definitely has a pipe on it. > > What exactly is jetting, changing needles that allow more gas > AND air into the engine for more power? Altering the air / fuel ratio (to make more power, generally) > > And I guess that's different from makign the mixture richer.. You may need different size jets than come in the bike for optimum performance > > anyway.. my bike feels pretty powerful... I was wondering what I could > expect to get, as far as performance gains, from an igntion advancer? > I may be able to pick up one cheap... Advancers work on some machines don't on others. I have 5 degree advancer on my bike that was worth 9 hp past 10k rpms, but ONLY past 10k. No other setting made a whit of difference in power, but my bike is quite far from stock. YMMV, & the only way to know is put it on the dyno & find out. IF you're already on the dyno to work out a jet kit, for example, then spend the extra hour & have them test an advance when they're done the jetting. Otherwise, don't bother. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 08:23:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ECNc800207 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:23:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200008140823.AA142016922@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: DOT headlight modulator reqmnt X-Mailer: Federal DOT requirements re: headlight modulators: Go to http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/get-cfr.cgi?TITLE=49&PART=571&SECTION=108&TYPE=TEXT It includes the following text: S7.9.4 Motorcycle headlamp modulation system. S7.9.4.1 A headlamp on a motorcycle may be wired to modulate either the upper beam or the lower beam from its maximum intensity to a lesser intensity, provided that: (a) The rate of modulation shall be 240 40 cycles per minute. (b) The headlamp shall be operated at maximum power for 50 to 70 percent of each cycle. (c) The lowest intensity at any test point shall be not less than 17 percent of the maximum intensity measured at the same point. (d) The modulator switch shall be wired in the power lead of the beam filament being modulated and not in the ground side of the circuit. (e) Means shall be provided so that both the lower beam and upper beam remain operable in the event of a modulator failure. (f) The system shall include a sensor mounted with the axis of its sensing element perpendicular to a horizontal plane. Headlamp modulation shall cease whenever the level of light emitted by a tungsten filament light operating at 3000 deg. Kelvin is either less than 270 lux (25 foot-candles) of direct light for upward pointing sensors or less than 60 lux (5.6 foot-candles) of reflected light for downward pointing sensors. The light is measured by a silicon cell type light meter that is located at the sensor and pointing in the same direction as the sensor. A Kodak Gray Card (Kodak R-27) is placed at ground level to simulate the road surface in testing downward pointing sensors. (g) When tested in accordance with the test profile shown in Figure 9, the voltage drop across the modulator when the lamp is on at all test conditions for 12 volt systems and 6 volt systems shall not be greater than .45 volt. The modulator shall meet all the provisions of the standard after completion of the test profile shown in Figure 9. (h) Means shall be provided so that both the lower and upper beam function at design voltage when the headlamp control switch is in either the lower or upper beam position when the modulator is off. S7.9.4.2(a) Each motorcycle headlamp modulator not intended as original equipment, or its container, shall be labeled with the maximum wattage, and the minimum wattage appropriate for its use. Additionally, each such modulator shall comply with S7.9.4.1 (a) through (g) when connected to a headlamp of the maximum rated power and a headlamp of the minimum rated power, and shall provide means so that the modulated beam functions at design voltage when the modulator is off. (b) Instructions, with a diagram, shall be provided for mounting the light sensor including location on the motorcycle, distance above the road surface, and orientation with respect to the light. *** Article copyright (c) IBMWR and the author(s). All rights reserved. Unsubscribe directions at http://www.ibmwr.org/faq-files/mail.html#SUB *** From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 09:03:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ED3u801329 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va18-07.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.71]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11117; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399819BE.E6B8E69F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:09:34 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kewl GT CC: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Looking for good prices on helmets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin Fagan's helmet/accessories place is Dixie Cycles. (318) 368-7266. William or Yvonne will probably answer the phone. Or possibly Duane. Tell them Collin referred you to them. They are nice people. Quoted me the absolute lowest price for an AGV X-Vent Rossi Murgello racer rep plus a blue iridium shield (both for the same price that another place on the net -- that I don't know from Adam -- was selling just the helmet for). Can't beat that! Chuck Kewl GT wrote: > > I looked around for a Shoei helmet also, and found helmetshop.com to have > the good prices. Let me know if you find any cheaper. Since they do not > publish their prices online, below is a price list for Shoei helmets, about > two weeks old. Hope this helps. > > Regards > Sanath > > Shoei Helmets : > X-SP II Solid Colors__________$449.99____________S-XL > X-SP II Graphics _____________$549.99____________S-XL > X-SP Solid Colors_____________$399.99____________S-XL > X-SP Graphics______________________$449.99____________S-XL > Syncrotec________________________$349.99______________XS-XL > X-Tec Solids_____________________$369.99_______________SM-XL > X-Tec Graphics___________________$449.99_______________SM-XL > RF800 Manako______________$299.99____________XXS-XXL > RF800 Picotte_____________$299.99____________XXS-XXL > RF800 Nobby-2_____________$299.99____________XXS-XXL > RF800 Trump_____________$299.99____________XXS-XXL > RF800 Scepter_____________$279.99____________XXS-XXL > RF800 Apex_____________$279.99____________XXS-XXL > RF800 America_____________$279.99____________XXS-XXL > RF800 Jag_________________$279.99____________XXS-XXL > RF800 Solid Color__________$229.99____________XXS-XXL > RFR Solid Color___________$175.99____________XXS-XXL > RFR Domino________________$214.99____________XS-XXL > X-9 Beatie_________________$389.99____________ XXL > X-9 Duhamel_______________$389.99____________XXL > RJ-Air____________________$139.99_____________XS-XXL > ST-Cruz__________________$119.99_____________XS-XXL > VFX-R Solids______________$299.99____________S-XL > VFX-R Graphics____________$366.99____________S-XL > VFX-R Pro Circuit_________$399.99____________S-XL > FX-4 Solids_______________$199.99____________XXS-XXL > FX-4 Graphics_____________$235.99____________XXS-XXL > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 09:46:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EDku803056 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Jonman72@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.6a.5b04e9d (4400) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:46:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonman72@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6a.5b04e9d.26c95243@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:46:43 EDT Subject: Re: Subject: RR1 a success To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 I agree with you that listening to Riverdances would probably be nice, but I much preferred listening to the native Valkyrie mating call (whooop whooop chirp, whoop whoop chirp, whoop whoop chirp). Funny, they always seem to nest in the trees at the intersections. Ahhhhhhhhh, nature...... ;-) Jonathan '00 YZF600R >>Harold wrote: I should have warned you guys of my "turn signal" reminder "system" :) One thing for sure, I'll never leave my turns signals on accidentally :) FYI.. for most of the ride, I was listening to Riverdances (Irish music). Nothing like "rolling" through farm-lands listening to Irish music - totally awesome. Let's do this again, real soon - please ;) //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 09:53:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EDrw803169 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA09339; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3997FA1C.AFAF54B9@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:54:37 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Balt-Cycles-l , "D.C.Cycles-L" , Katana-L , "SOC-USA@XXXXXX" , "Suzuki Owners Club Md." , SuzukiBikes-L , Suzuki-l Subject: Christmas Tree in August Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Friends, This was a wake up call, like no other! On my way to work this morning, I was on the Beltway (659) and took my exit ramp, to get on to RT. 295 to head into Baltimore. Well traffic on 295 moves very fast. The right lane travels around 65 to 70 mph. NORMALLY. Well I'm on the ramp at twice the speed, so I can merge cleanly. When lo' and behold, I see a huge, needle less, Christmas Tree in the lane I'd use to merge with. There's a white cage, coming into my entrance lane to go around the tree. I share my lane with the cage and barely miss the thing by inches. I look up to scan again, and I'm coming up fast on a slow moving pick 'em up truck. The driver must of been gawking in his mirror at the tree. I wonder if he wet his pants when he saw my high beam in his mirror with that tree. I use the break down lane to get around him, If I'd of braked, I would of impaled the truck's bed, and have gone trough his back window, helmet first. Damn....... it was all over in probably, 2 or 3 seconds, and it felt like a mainlined jolt of double expresso. Keep you eyes open out there, as if your being hunted by assassins operating those cages, and maybe you too, can live through the day. Be careful out there. They're out to get'cha. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 10:00:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EE0d803332 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.11] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:00:06 -0700 Received: from navieg1 ([129.193.4.9]) by navieg3.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:01:32 0000 (GMT) Received: (from RESVA-MS6 [158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 61) with SMTP id M2000081407003803027 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:00:38 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:59:35 -0400 Message-Id: <3997FB76.9790FE3D@trw.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:00:22 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey All, I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a fair amount of time on the beltway so here's a question for you. Given non-rushhour traffic, what is the quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to the RT.50 exit in MD; the Inner Loop (North on 495) or the Outer Loop (South on 495)? It looks pretty even to me on the map with the northern route maybe getting the nod. Also, does anyone have an opinion as to the distance saved (within the circle of the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to the Outer Loop? I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in combat with my Father in Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this one...: ) Thanks, Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 10:13:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7EEDV803498 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31983 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2000 14:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.36.153.179) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2000 14:12:53 -0000 Message-ID: <3997FE75.27DD5FE9@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:13:09 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Keiser CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Subject: RR1 a success References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert Keiser wrote: > Oh, and as a public service to all other riders with one of those reflective > Halo's on their helmets....take it from me, they don't like triple digits on > the speedo. If you are like me and put the helmet halo on and don't ever remove it, glue stik's really, really work well to semi-permanently attach the halo to a typical motorcycle helmet. I was surprised how well the glue-stik held. Now that I've got the Nolan flip-face, I can't use a halo. Bummer. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 10:18:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h002.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7EEIj803585 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 8137 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2000 07:18:35 -0700 Date: 14 Aug 2000 07:18:35 -0700 Message-ID: <20000814141835.8136.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Aug 2000 14:18:35 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Aug 2000 07:18:35 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: RR2 anyone? Well, since I received so many requests for another ride like Saturday's relaxed ride, anyone up for RR2 on Saturday, September 9? We could do it the weekend before, but figure a lot of people will be vacationing for the long labor day weekend...any thoughts? Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 10:22:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EEMb803664 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA1418455 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399800AA.99EA9688@radix.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:22:34 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question References: <3997FB76.9790FE3D@trw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy Moran wrote: > > Hey All, > > I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a fair amount of time on the beltway ain't that the truth. > so here's a question for you. Given non-rushhour traffic, what is the > quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to the RT.50 exit in MD; the Inner Loop > (North on 495) or the Outer Loop (South on 495)? 'quickest' is a loaded question, as there are so many variables that there's no one answer... I hate to waffle like this but I'll give this a whirl... I'd say that absent ANY obstructions, you can make the best (chronologically speaking) time going the Outer loop, through the Springfield interchange AND across the woody wilson bridge towards 50. It's probably more direct to stay on 66e into town, & get to 295n / BW pkwy. However, speeds aren't generally as fast on the pkwy. I'd pick the inner loop across the Cabin John LAST, because you *could* encounter heavy traffic at the CJ & at the 270 Spur, through Silver Spring & the 95 / 495 split. It looks pretty even to > me on the map with the northern route maybe getting the nod. Also, does > anyone have an opinion as to the distance saved (within the circle of > the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to the Outer Loop? > > I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in combat with my Father in > Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this one...: ) No matter what time of day, you need to verify the traffic status. Before going the outer loop, at least listen to WTOP - traffic & weather on the 8's. If they're broadcasting an O's game, don't trust them, check out traffic reports on the Washington Post website. Another thing to consider is 'bail out' routes. You need to have a verified escape plan for when traffic backs up. If you go the outer loop, Watch the overhead signs for a WW bridge opening. If the one at the Springfield interchange indicates traffic to Van Dorn, or a bridge opening in 10 minutes or less (at 70mph) jump off onto 395 n, to MLK blvd, to 295N & get to your destination that way. I guess I didn't really answer your question, but I hope it helped anyway... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 10:26:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EEQ1803677 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id JAA13826 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:25:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id JAA13820 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:25:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA22222; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000814102636.00a2ab60@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:27:12 -0400 To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: RR2 anyone? In-Reply-To: <20000814141835.8136.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" YES YES YES! Sounds good to me. I was totally bummed I had to miss this week's. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 07:18 AM 8/14/00 -0700, LAURA GRANATO wrote: >Well, since I received so many requests for another ride like Saturday's >relaxed ride, anyone up for RR2 on Saturday, September 9? We could do it >the weekend before, but figure a lot of people will be vacationing for the >long labor day weekend...any thoughts? > >Laura Granato >'99 Suzuki GS500 > > >________________________________________________ >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 10:33:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EEXD804021 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-23.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.151]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01378; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39982EAB.A28619E8@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:38:51 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR2 anyone? References: <20000814141835.8136.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If RR means "road rocket", I'm in! %^) Chuck LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > Well, since I received so many requests for another ride like Saturday's relaxed ride, anyone up for RR2 on Saturday, September 9? We could do it the weekend before, but figure a lot of people will be vacationing for the long labor day weekend...any thoughts? From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 10:37:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EEb4804187 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.11] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:36:51 -0700 Received: from navieg1 ([129.193.4.9]) by navieg3.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:38:17 0000 (GMT) Received: (from RESVA-MS6 [158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 61) with SMTP id M2000081407372309387 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:37:23 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:36:22 -0400 Message-Id: <39980416.38B81FD9@trw.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:37:10 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question References: <3997FB76.9790FE3D@trw.com> <399800AA.99EA9688@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heheh...Dave, as a person who doesn't spend more than an hour or two on the Beltway during the course of a month, I must say that your response is a thing of beauty. It captures all of the paranoia and self doubt that hours spent in traffic must create. ; ) "'bail out' routes", "verification of traffic status", "verified escape plan"...this stuff is great! Seriously though, thanks for taking the time to answer. I think you actally backed up my opinion this specific case. Randy From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 10:43:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EEhT804288 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-139-241.s495.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.139.241] helo=bigfoot.com) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13OLSX-0005O4-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:43:25 -0400 Message-ID: <399804D2.E1168E5C@bigfoot.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:40:18 -0400 From: vulgar_power X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR1 a success References: <007f01c004ab$cde612e0$fb7c3004@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Let me first say to Rob, I'm sorry for the belt way excursion. I honestly thought that you were directing me (us) that way. I though, 495, ok maybe a short cut. But when we got into VA I knew something was up. Pulled off, talked to Rob and found out his ride sheet had come out of his tank bag somewhere, and he was following me. Mike was gonna bail at Polly's (things to do), and I was bummed about the group separation, so we told Rob we were sorry, and were gonna head back to Manassas. Secondly, to Michelle, Chuck, Laura and Rob, thanks for the great ride! Even with the, um, disappearance of the group at the last gas stop, it was a great day. Mike and I have both said that we will do future group rides. Great ride, great people, just what I had expected. -jay '00 Shadow CD From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 10:51:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EEpf804448 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-211-92.s92.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.211.92] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13OLaU-0001zO-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:51:38 -0400 Message-ID: <017a01c005fe$95b25ba0$17d63ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <20000814141835.8136.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: RR2 anyone? Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:45:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sept. 9 sounds great to me. Sorry to have missed RR1, since by all accounts it was a great ride. I tend to the "relaxed" side of the spectrum myself. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: LAURA GRANATO To: Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 10:18 AM Subject: RR2 anyone? > Well, since I received so many requests for another ride like Saturday's relaxed ride, anyone up for RR2 on Saturday, September 9? We could do it the weekend before, but figure a lot of people will be vacationing for the long labor day weekend...any thoughts? > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 10:54:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EEsu804458 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07993 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:54:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:54:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question In-Reply-To: <3997FB76.9790FE3D@trw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 66 to 110 to 395 to Pennsylvania Ave to 295 to rt 50? On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Randy Moran wrote: > Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:00:22 -0400 > From: Randy Moran > To: DC Cycles > Subject: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question > > Hey All, > > I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a fair amount of time on the beltway > so here's a question for you. Given non-rushhour traffic, what is the > quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to the RT.50 exit in MD; the Inner Loop > (North on 495) or the Outer Loop (South on 495)? It looks pretty even to > me on the map with the northern route maybe getting the nod. Also, does > anyone have an opinion as to the distance saved (within the circle of > the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to the Outer Loop? > > I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in combat with my Father in > Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this one...: ) > > Thanks, > Randy Moran > > > > > > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 11:11:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aba.com (mail.aba.com [198.242.42.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7EFBs804741 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ABAOF40-Message_Server by aba.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:10:48 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:10:16 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: , Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_2A7286E8.B8D9B3B9" This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_2A7286E8.B8D9B3B9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Randy, I drive the Beltway on an almost daily basis. I live in Reston and = travel to Landover MD. If I were you I would travel the inner loop the = total distance can't be more than 35 miles to route 50. I also have friend = that lives in Bowie and from his house to mine in Reston isn't more than = 43 miles. I usually use PA ave. as my decision line when travel the beltway. >>> Randy Moran 08/14/00 10:00AM >>> Hey All, I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a fair amount of time on the beltway so here's a question for you. Given non-rushhour traffic, what is the quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to the RT.50 exit in MD; the Inner Loop (North on 495) or the Outer Loop (South on 495)? It looks pretty even to me on the map with the northern route maybe getting the nod. Also, does anyone have an opinion as to the distance saved (within the circle of the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to the Outer Loop? I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in combat with my Father in Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this one...: ) Thanks, Randy Moran --=_2A7286E8.B8D9B3B9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML
Randy, I drive the Beltway on an almost daily basis. I = live in=20 Reston and travel to Landover  MD. If I were you I would travel the = inner=20 loop the total distance can't be more than 35 miles to route 50. I = also=20 have friend that lives in Bowie and from his house to mine in Reston isn't = more=20 than 43 miles.
 
I usually use PA ave. as my decision line = when=20 travel the beltway.

>>> Randy Moran <Randy.Moran@XXXXXX> 08/14/00 = 10:00AM=20 >>>
Hey All,

I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a = fair=20 amount of time on the beltway
so here's a question for you. Given=20 non-rushhour traffic, what is the
quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to = the=20 RT.50 exit in MD; the Inner Loop
(North on 495) or the Outer Loop = (South on=20 495)? It looks pretty even to
me on the map with the northern route = maybe=20 getting the nod. Also, does
anyone have an opinion as to the distance = saved=20 (within the circle of
the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to = the=20 Outer Loop?

I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in combat = with my=20 Father in
Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this one...:=20= )

Thanks,
Randy Moran






--=_2A7286E8.B8D9B3B9-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 11:12:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EFCQ804817 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:11:58 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86F4@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Dan Brown'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:02:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Randy: I would not recommend this route untell you are very familar with VA-DC. For example, getting from 100 to 395 requires a turn off into Pentagon City. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Brown [SMTP:brown@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 10:55 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question > > > 66 to 110 to 395 to Pennsylvania Ave to 295 to rt 50? > > > On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Randy Moran wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:00:22 -0400 > > From: Randy Moran > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question > > > > Hey All, > > > > I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a fair amount of time on the beltway > > so here's a question for you. Given non-rushhour traffic, what is the > > quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to the RT.50 exit in MD; the Inner Loop > > (North on 495) or the Outer Loop (South on 495)? It looks pretty even to > > me on the map with the northern route maybe getting the nod. Also, does > > anyone have an opinion as to the distance saved (within the circle of > > the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to the Outer Loop? > > > > I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in combat with my Father in > > Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this one...: ) > > > > Thanks, > > Randy Moran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 11:15:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EFFR804902 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA1397792 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39980D0B.FDB79122@radix.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:15:23 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question References: <3997FB76.9790FE3D@trw.com> <399800AA.99EA9688@radix.net> <39980416.38B81FD9@trw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy Moran wrote: > > Heheh...Dave, as a person who doesn't spend more than an hour or two on the > Beltway during the course of a month Rub it in Randy. Sheesh. I try to help, & you go and twist the knife... , I must say that your response is a thing > of beauty. It captures all of the paranoia and self doubt that hours spent in > traffic must create. ; ) "'bail out' routes", "verification of traffic status", > "verified escape > plan"...this stuff is great! A wise man once told me : 'Son, an ounce of Preparation H is worth a ton of cure'... > > Seriously though, thanks for taking the time to answer. I think you actally > backed up my opinion this specific case. I forgot about the last scenario ; let's say you need to get from 66 to just over the WW bridge, and there's a backup at say Braddock to Springfield, but the WW bridge is clear - Take the Unfairtax county parkway from 66 to it's terminus and follow the traffic light left, staying in the right lane. Take a right at the Franconia road light. follow to the end. Turn left onto telegraph. As you make the turn onto Telegraph, observe the Beltway (the bridge is in your immediate line of sight, and so is the exit) If traffic is crawling, take a right at the last light before the beltway exit. Follow past the Huntington Metro station on the right, all the way to the traffic light, turn left on to rt 1, & get on the beltway there. It sounds convoluted, but it really is faster when there's heavy traffic at I 95. HTH. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 11:16:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EFGX804922 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.11] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:16:18 -0700 Received: from navieg1 ([129.193.4.9]) by navieg3.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:17:44 0000 (GMT) Received: (from RESVA-MS6 [158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 61) with SMTP id M2000081408165106617 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:16:51 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:15:49 -0400 Message-Id: <39980D54.39DDB9F9@trw.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:16:37 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question References: <3997FB76.9790FE3D@trw.com> <399800AA.99EA9688@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To clarify my original question (because Dave's answer made me realize the numerous variables involved): I was returning from the beach on this past Saturday morning. At the junction of 495 and 50 I decided to take the Inner Loop (toward the WW bridge) instead of the Outer Loop, figuring that if the distance around the circle was a wash, the inner loop would get me to the 66 West exit more quickly. There was no traffic to speak of (at around 10 am) though I encountered a slight delay at the WW bridge, apparently while people girded themselves psychologically for the traumatic "no shoulder, narrow lane, omigod it's so high up here" experience. Anyway, I made it to 66 in pretty good time, more quickly (I think) than I would have taking the outer loop. It always seems to me that, no matter how light the traffic, the area near the Morman temple always gets backed up because of the curves. People are always riding the brakes and there's always some dick in the left lane having a cow about the freaking curves. they're just curves people!! get on the f***ing gas!!! Sorry... Anywhoo, the father in law was an hour or so behind us and decided to take the "undisputedly shorter" northern route, came upon an accident, spent an hour at a crawl, then tried to tell me that the Outer loop from 50 is the way to go (if there are no accidents, I guess is what he means). I think he's full of shit. I was just curious as to others' experiences on these particular routes. The ones that go cross-town are beyond the scope of this question BTW. Thanks to all who've replied. Randy From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 11:23:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f127.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.127]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EFNi804999 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:23:27 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Robert Keiser" To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Subject: RR1 a success Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:23:27 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2000 15:23:27.0418 (UTC) FILETIME=[982DC9A0:01C00603] Good tip, thanks. I also heard that rubber cement might work. Will have to try something since the VFR kinda likes triple digits. >From: Dale Horstman >To: Robert Keiser >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Subject: RR1 a success >Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:13:09 -0400 > >Robert Keiser wrote: > > > Oh, and as a public service to all other riders with one of those >reflective > > Halo's on their helmets....take it from me, they don't like triple >digits on > > the speedo. > >If you are like me and put the helmet halo on and don't ever remove it, >glue stik's really, really work well to semi-permanently attach the halo >to a typical motorcycle helmet. I was surprised how well the glue-stik >held. > >Now that I've got the Nolan flip-face, I can't use a halo. Bummer. > >Horkster >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > >1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer >1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 11:26:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EFQt805012 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA1420870 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39980FB1.B66DE478@radix.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:26:41 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question References: <3997FB76.9790FE3D@trw.com> <399800AA.99EA9688@radix.net> <39980D54.39DDB9F9@trw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy Moran wrote: > > To clarify my original question (because Dave's answer made me realize the > numerous variables involved): > > I was returning from the beach on this past Saturday morning. At the junction > of 495 and 50 I decided to take the Inner Loop (toward the WW bridge) instead > of the Outer Loop, figuring that if the distance around the circle was a wash, > the inner loop would get me to the 66 West exit more quickly. There was no > traffic to speak of (at around 10 am) though I encountered a slight delay at > the WW bridge, apparently while people girded themselves psychologically for > the traumatic "no shoulder, narrow lane, omigod it's so high up here" > experience. Anyway, I made it to 66 in pretty good time, more quickly (I think) > than I would have taking the outer loop. It always seems to me that, no matter > how light the traffic, the area near the Morman temple always gets backed up > because of the curves. People are always riding the brakes and there's always > some dick in the left lane having a cow about the freaking curves. > they're just curves people!! get on the f***ing gas!!! Sorry... > > Anywhoo, the father in law was an hour or so behind us and decided to take the > "undisputedly shorter" northern route, came upon an accident, spent an hour at > a crawl, then tried to tell me that the Outer loop from 50 is the way to go Randy, ? for you - What's the difference between a Father in law, & a bucket of $hit ? answer: The bucket. (if > there are no accidents, I guess is what he means). I think he's full of shit. See, You've realized already what I just asked you above :-) I > was just curious as to others' experiences on these particular routes. The ones > that go cross-town are beyond the scope of this question BTW. Thanks to all > who've replied. > > Randy I'm with you Randy, Yours is the superior intellect, your B.O.$. , well, we already discussed that.... ;-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 12:05:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com (oak.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7EG5k805786 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA08323; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:04:36 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma003456; Mon, 14 Aug 00 12:01:39 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FZA00BA6HZ1DY@XXXXXX>; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 8525693B.00582249 ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:02:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:00:24 -0400 Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question To: Dan Brown Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525693B.005806D0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL I prefer ... 66 across the roosevelt briidge, exit Independance ave, skirt up between the monuments and take the 12th St on ramp, then follow your instructions. --chris Dan Brown on 08/14/2000 10:54:47 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question 66 to 110 to 395 to Pennsylvania Ave to 295 to rt 50? On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Randy Moran wrote: > Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:00:22 -0400 > From: Randy Moran > To: DC Cycles > Subject: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question > > Hey All, > > I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a fair amount of time on the beltway > so here's a question for you. Given non-rushhour traffic, what is the > quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to the RT.50 exit in MD; the Inner Loop > (North on 495) or the Outer Loop (South on 495)? It looks pretty even to > me on the map with the northern route maybe getting the nod. Also, does > anyone have an opinion as to the distance saved (within the circle of > the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to the Outer Loop? > > I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in combat with my Father in > Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this one...: ) > > Thanks, > Randy Moran > > > > > > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 12:27:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EGQw806294 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 5.fb.9d363de (4332); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:21:16 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:21:15 EDT Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 Heh... after reading all the responses, I think just about EVERY way through the region has been desrcibed. Since i go this way almost weekly to get out to speedwerks in DE, I can offer some insight: The trick is... going out and coming back are two different things if you're gonna go through the city. Coming back, I'd take Rt50 past the beltway interchange and catch 295s to the WW bridge, then around the inner loop to 66. Nine times out of ten, Iv'e found this to be the quickest and traffic/accident free route. Also cuts a couple miles off the trip as it's more of a straight line. Going out... I used to go the 395n, freeway/295, rt50e route untill they tore the hell outa 395 after the 14th street bridge - construction there now makes it ALWAYS backed up. Unfortunatly, the WW bridge is also always backed up is seems (even at noon, usually due to accident/construction/opening). I usually end up going 395s through the city as you can take the non-rush open HOV lanes across the other bridge and avoid much of the backup caused by merging and construction on 395 and the 14th street bridge. ::shrug:: in other words... it's all a crap shoot :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 12:41:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EGff806546 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-217-102.s102.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.217.102] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13ONIv-0005TY-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:41:38 -0400 Message-ID: <021701c0060d$f43c2de0$17d63ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <3997FB76.9790FE3D@trw.com> <399800AA.99EA9688@radix.net> <39980D54.39DDB9F9@trw.com> Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:35:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Moran Cc: DC Cycles Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 11:16 AM Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question Anyway, I made it to 66 in pretty good time, more quickly (I think) > than I would have taking the outer loop. It always seems to me that, no matter > how light the traffic, the area near the Mormon temple always gets backed up > because of the curves. People are always riding the brakes and there's always > some dick in the left lane having a cow about the freaking curves. You bring up a good point. A lot of the backups in Maryland are due to very poor highway engineering, especially the S curves in the Silver Spring area. I don't know what they were thinking when they laid it out. Homer and Mabel out for a Sunday drive in the Buick I guess. I avoid the Maryland northern Beltway segment, especially the Inner Loop between the 270 split and Georgia Avenue. In my opinion, you're often better off going through DC (395, Barney Circle, Sousa Bridge to DC295 North) if the WW Bridge is backed up, although 395 in DC is usually a clusterf*&$ right now due to lanes out of service at 7th St. SW and perpetual construction in Southeast. For whatever reason it seems to be worse westbound than eastbound. Of course, in typical DC fashion, you can't use that route to come back west, because there is NO EXIT from southbound DC295 (Kenilworth Ave.) to westbound Pa. Ave. This is the proverbial missing link (proposed Barney Circle Freeway) that was never completed and, thanks to Eleanor Holmes Norton, never will be. [Just expressing fact here, not opinion, BTW.] To come west you need to get off at East Capitol St., pick your way around RFK and ride/drive through the surface streets of Capitol Hill to get to 395. Coming west you're almost better off staying on NY Ave. to the Third St. tunnel (395) or stay on 295 and follow the signs for downtown (South Capitol St. bridge). There's a connecting exit just after the 11th St. Bridge, down by the Anacostia Metro. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 12:42:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EGgZ806622 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:41:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: stolen gear - cross post Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:41:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain R6 Lady said, . . . "I went to Chesapeake Beach (yes, Calvert County) on Monday, and someone stole my Shoei helmet, Olympia gloves, & First Gear leather jacket off my bike . . . so, if you see my gear in the street on an able body or for sale, keep your eyes open & beat um down for me! Is that the American way or what?! (my helmet has the USA flag on it)" That sux. FWIW, I stick a bicycle cable lock in my tank bag when I know I'll be leaving my gear on the bike. Then I thread it through a sleeve, a pant's leg, the helmet, and around the triple clamp. A serious thief could cut the cable - but then there's easier stuff around. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 12:43:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from portal.east.saic.com (portal.east.saic.com [198.151.13.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7EGgx806632 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mclmx.saic.com by portal.east.saic.com via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 14 Aug 2000 16:42:59 UT Received: from [149.8.64.19] by mclmx.mail.saic.com; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:41:55 -0400 Received: from mcl-its-exbh01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.11]) by 149.8.64.19 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:38:26 0000 (GMT) Received: by mcl-its-exbh01.saic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:41:57 -0400 Message-Id: <6B3D994408CBD11182B300805F15FCBB01D9132B@us-mclean-03.mail.saic.com> From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Update on PCP riders Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:41:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I debated about the possibility of getting my work email intermingled with this list, but this bit of info is interesting given the heated discussion that transpired around the cop chase after that guy on PCP that ultimately ended in a wreck with the passenger dying and the driver in the hospital. I spoke again with the person that knows someone who knows the cop on the scene (note: "grapevine" disclaimer is in effect) and it turns out that both driver and passenger were male. One African American, one Caucasian. Both were on PCP. The police had received reports about this bike driving recklessly, including triple-digit speeds and going the wrong-way on a highway before the cops ever gave chase. NOT trying to restart any debates, just thought that was interesting information about the topic. Matt Matthew M. Pflieger Operations Controller SAIC Information Technology Solutions Group 1710 SAIC Drive McLean, VA 22101 703-676-5013 pfliegerma@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 13:13:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EHDi807268 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:11:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:11:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Paul wrote: "Of course, in typical DC fashion, you can't use that route to come back west, because there is NO EXIT from southbound DC295 (Kenilworth Ave.) to westbound Pa. Ave." Go one stop past the Penn. Ave (East) exit, and get off there (Howard Street?), turning right at the T-stop to get to 395, and all points in the city and south of it. Erik -----Original Message----- From: Paul A. Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 12:36 PM To: dc cycles Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Moran Cc: DC Cycles Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 11:16 AM Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question Anyway, I made it to 66 in pretty good time, more quickly (I think) > than I would have taking the outer loop. It always seems to me that, no matter > how light the traffic, the area near the Mormon temple always gets backed up > because of the curves. People are always riding the brakes and there's always > some dick in the left lane having a cow about the freaking curves. You bring up a good point. A lot of the backups in Maryland are due to very poor highway engineering, especially the S curves in the Silver Spring area. I don't know what they were thinking when they laid it out. Homer and Mabel out for a Sunday drive in the Buick I guess. I avoid the Maryland northern Beltway segment, especially the Inner Loop between the 270 split and Georgia Avenue. In my opinion, you're often better off going through DC (395, Barney Circle, Sousa Bridge to DC295 North) if the WW Bridge is backed up, although 395 in DC is usually a clusterf*&$ right now due to lanes out of service at 7th St. SW and perpetual construction in Southeast. For whatever reason it seems to be worse westbound than eastbound. Of course, in typical DC fashion, you can't use that route to come back west, because there is NO EXIT from southbound DC295 (Kenilworth Ave.) to westbound Pa. Ave. This is the proverbial missing link (proposed Barney Circle Freeway) that was never completed and, thanks to Eleanor Holmes Norton, never will be. [Just expressing fact here, not opinion, BTW.] To come west you need to get off at East Capitol St., pick your way around RFK and ride/drive through the surface streets of Capitol Hill to get to 395. Coming west you're almost better off staying on NY Ave. to the Third St. tunnel (395) or stay on 295 and follow the signs for downtown (South Capitol St. bridge). There's a connecting exit just after the 11th St. Bridge, down by the Anacostia Metro. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 13:28:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7EHSZ807508 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Mon Aug 14 10:28:07 2000 To: "dc cycles" , "Paul A. Wilson" Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:28:07 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:35:54 Paul A. Wilson wrote: >be worse westbound than eastbound. Of course, in typical DC fashion, you >can't use that route to come back west, because there is NO EXIT from >southbound DC295 (Kenilworth Ave.) to ... come west you need to get off >at East Capitol St., pick your way around RFK and ride/drive through the >surface streets of Capitol Hill to get to 395. Actually I think there's a better way. Stay on 295 (DC) south. Go under the 395 overpass, and take the very next exit. At this juncture 295 is now I-295. Stay in the left lane on the ramp. Take the left at the traffic light (dead end), go under 295 and make the left back ONTO 295. This time headed north. Go about a mile and change and you can take the 295 N to 395S split. Wala! You're headed into DC, the bridge and the Pentagon/Crystal city. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 14:12:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EICi808751 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-238-7.s261.tnt9.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.238.7]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13OOj2-0005pM-00; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:12:41 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Custer, Carl" Cc: "'DCCy'" Subject: Re: stolen gear - cross post Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:17:55 GMT Message-ID: <399861de.59002252@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7EICp808752 I do the same thing... except i've been locking to less secure parts of the bike. i think i'll use the tripple clamp now. thanks! From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 15:15:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EJF9809911 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.7f.8502369 (4009) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:14:59 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7f.8502369.26c99f32@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:14:58 EDT Subject: Re: stolen gear - cross post To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 In a message dated 8/14/00 12:44:09 Eastern Daylight Time, Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: > FWIW, I stick a bicycle cable lock in my tank bag when I know I'll be > leaving my gear on the bike. > Then I thread it through a sleeve, a pant's leg, the helmet, and around the > triple clamp. A serious thief could cut the cable - but then there's easier > stuff around. Ditto - even with the mega bags on my scoot, the cable lock is worth it. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 15:15:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EJFe809916 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 5.b8.9dc8b33 (4009); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:13:19 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:13:19 EDT Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 According to Street Atlas, the southern loop is 34.7 miles and the northern loop is 30 miles. Based on experience, I'd take the southern loop is I was in a hurry Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 15:25:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EJPC810052 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gen2.ffx.ops.us.uu.net by wodc7mr1.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: intcache02.uu.net [153.39.50.42]) id QQjcgb00846 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:24:48 GMT Received: from usashexims01.corp.us.uu.net by gen2.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.80.14]) id QQjcgb23341 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:22:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Saturday's ride Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:22:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all, I had a blast on Saturday and hope everyone else did, too. Great weather, great company and beautiful scenery. Leaders...sweepers...all excellent! I also really admire those riders who show up for the trips who've never met any of the other riders! I hope you felt welcome and look forward to seeing you again soon. Harold...can't wait to see you on that new VFR!! :) Sally '98 GS500E p.s. I'd always hoped that if my bike fell over, it would in the presence of a bunch of fellow DC-Cycles riders.......NOT!! Thanks Corbin, for picking it up while I just stood there in a daze! From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 15:36:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7EJaU810457 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Mon Aug 14 12:29:54 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:12:09 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF57A7@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Changing e-mail Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:08:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just wanted to let anyone who's interested know that after tomorrow, I will no longer be at this e-mail address. Actually, I probably won't be reading much e-mail tomorrow anyway. I'm not sure what my new e-mail address will be, nor am I sure that they will approve of my getting DC Cycles list mail delivered there, so I will be re-subscribing using my Hotmail account. For those of you who might be interested in keeping tabs on me, you can update your address book entry for me to be perrycoleman@XXXXXX Do not use perry_coleman@XXXXXX after today. Oh, and for those interested, the new job is in Herndon, out near Dulles, so if you see a black Concours (or a pink/purple ZX-6) tooling out the Toll road in the morning and back in the evening, that'll be me. Perry From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 15:37:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EJax810467 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:36:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200008141536.AA65339788@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question X-Mailer: I prefer: 66 to 110 to 395 to S. Capitol St. to Suitland Parkway to ? to Beltway outer loop. Chris Norloff ? is the last traffic light before crossing under the Beltway - I can't remember the road's name - Forest-something maybe. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Dan Brown Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:54:47 -0400 (EDT) > >66 to 110 to 395 to Pennsylvania Ave to 295 to rt 50? > > >On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Randy Moran wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:00:22 -0400 >> From: Randy Moran >> To: DC Cycles >> Subject: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question >> >> Hey All, >> >> I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a fair amount of time on the beltway >> so here's a question for you. Given non-rushhour traffic, what is the >> quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to the RT.50 exit in MD; the Inner Loop >> (North on 495) or the Outer Loop (South on 495)? It looks pretty even to >> me on the map with the northern route maybe getting the nod. Also, does >> anyone have an opinion as to the distance saved (within the circle of >> the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to the Outer Loop? >> >> I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in combat with my Father in >> Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this one...: ) >> >> Thanks, >> Randy Moran >> >> >> >> >> >> > >-- >Dan Brown >brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 15:45:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EJj0810649 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-24.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.216]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06077; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399877BC.91F89EB7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:50:36 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Wood, Sally" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Saturday's ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally, When did you bike fall/tip over??? Chuck "Wood, Sally" wrote : > > p.s. I'd always hoped that if my bike fell over, it would in the presence > of a bunch of fellow DC-Cycles riders.......NOT!! Thanks Corbin, for > picking it up while I just stood there in a daze! From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 16:09:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7EK9a811090 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 22278 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2000 13:09:28 -0700 Date: 14 Aug 2000 13:09:28 -0700 Message-ID: <20000814200928.22277.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Aug 2000 20:09:28 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Aug 2000 13:09:28 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: swood@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: Re: Saturday's ride On Mon, 14 August 2000, "Wood, Sally" wrote: Sally's still in a daze, she meants thanks to corbett. :-) > > Hi all, > > I had a blast on Saturday and hope everyone else did, too. Great weather, > great company and beautiful scenery. Leaders...sweepers...all excellent! I > also really admire those riders who show up for the trips who've never met > any of the other riders! I hope you felt welcome and look forward to seeing > you again soon. Harold...can't wait to see you on that new VFR!! :) > > Sally > '98 GS500E > > p.s. I'd always hoped that if my bike fell over, it would in the presence > of a bunch of fellow DC-Cycles riders.......NOT!! Thanks Corbin, for > picking it up while I just stood there in a daze! ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 16:23:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EKNQ811360 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-48.patriot.net [209.249.180.48]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7EKMt103206; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:22:55 -0400 Message-ID: <3998532F.D976D7EF@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:14:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Moran CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question References: <3997FB76.9790FE3D@trw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a note: *winning* against the F-I-L may require losing - very gracefully. Bill Randy Moran wrote: > Hey All, > > I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a fair amount of time on the beltway > so here's a question for you. Given non-rushhour traffic, what is the > quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to the RT.50 exit in MD; the Inner Loop > (North on 495) or the Outer Loop (South on 495)? It looks pretty even to > me on the map with the northern route maybe getting the nod. Also, does > anyone have an opinion as to the distance saved (within the circle of > the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to the Outer Loop? > > I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in combat with my Father in > Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this one...: ) > > Thanks, > Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 16:28:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7EKSa811451 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 9880 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2000 13:28:29 -0700 Date: 14 Aug 2000 13:28:29 -0700 Message-ID: <20000814202829.9879.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Aug 2000 20:28:29 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Aug 2000 13:28:29 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: RR2 with a twist sorry for two posts in one day, but after talking to Chuck, we've decided on the following: DC-Cycles ride, Saturday, September 9 Two groups: Laura to lead the relaxed riders Chuck to lead the more "spirited" riders The relaxed riders will take fun roads that are suitable for sport bikes or cruisers, and we won't be going any more than 10-15 mph over the posted speed limit. The "spirited" riders will be taking roads more suitable for the speed and agility of sport bikes. I plead the fifth on their speeds... We will all start off in the same spot, meet at certain places along the way (if chuck and i can figure this out) and end up at the same place for lunch--although the spirited riders will probably be done eating, smoking their cigarettes, and already starting their afternoon naps by the time the relaxed riders get there...but that's ok--we'll have seen a lot more scenery than they will have. ;-) so, for now, mark your calendars for the 9th. more details to follow soon. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 16:43:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7EKhr811719 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18296 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2000 20:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.36.153.179) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2000 20:43:04 -0000 Message-ID: <399859F0.D1E95229@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:43:28 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR2 with a twist References: <20000814202829.9879.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > sorry for two posts in one day, Oh yeah, you are way too noisy. Off with her head! :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 16:50:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7-2.corprelay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-2.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EKoE812114 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net by wodc7mr2.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.7.41]) id QQjcgh21537; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:50:11 GMT Received: from usashexims03.corp.us.uu.net by gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.80.15]) id QQjcgh08261; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:46:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'LAURA GRANATO'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Saturday's ride Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:46:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There you have it...the second most embarassing thing that's happened to me this week!! ;) -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:09 PM To: swood@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday's ride On Mon, 14 August 2000, "Wood, Sally" wrote: Sally's still in a daze, she meants thanks to corbett. :-) > > Hi all, > > I had a blast on Saturday and hope everyone else did, too. Great weather, > great company and beautiful scenery. Leaders...sweepers...all excellent! I > also really admire those riders who show up for the trips who've never met > any of the other riders! I hope you felt welcome and look forward to seeing > you again soon. Harold...can't wait to see you on that new VFR!! :) > > Sally > '98 GS500E > > p.s. I'd always hoped that if my bike fell over, it would in the presence > of a bunch of fellow DC-Cycles riders.......NOT!! Thanks Corbin, for > picking it up while I just stood there in a daze! ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 16:52:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EKqV812202 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20634; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 2000081416522112:31788 ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:52:21 -0400 Message-ID: <39985C86.4A878577@mitretek.org> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:54:30 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Reply-To: krogish@XXXXXX Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR2 with a twist References: <20000814202829.9879.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/14/2000 04:52:21 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/14/2000 04:52:22 PM, Serialize complete at 08/14/2000 04:52:22 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii YOWZERS!!!!! Another group ride that I'll have to miss. I will be in Bean Town that weekend, watching America's REAL team beat up on some lousy Yankee ars. :-) I will be at Bike Night this Sunday, though!!!!!!! :-) ps--- harmless enough, but annoying all the same, some jackass decided to unplug ALL 4 of my spark plugs Saturday night (Dewey). It didn't take me a horribly long time to figure out why the bike wasn't starting and to plug them back in, but still slightly unnerving... had some friends follow me home, to make sure that was the ONLY thing tampered with. Filled out a police report, but... grr!! Irritating. LAURA GRANATO wrote: > sorry for two posts in one day, but after talking to Chuck, we've decided on the following: > > DC-Cycles ride, Saturday, September 9 > > Two groups: > > Laura to lead the relaxed riders > Chuck to lead the more "spirited" riders > > The relaxed riders will take fun roads that are suitable for sport bikes or cruisers, and we won't be going any more than 10-15 mph over the posted speed limit. > > The "spirited" riders will be taking roads more suitable for the speed and agility of sport bikes. I plead the fifth on their speeds... > > We will all start off in the same spot, meet at certain places along the way (if chuck and i can figure this out) and end up at the same place for lunch--although the spirited riders will probably be done eating, smoking their cigarettes, and already starting their afternoon naps by the time the relaxed riders get there...but that's ok--we'll have seen a lot more scenery than they will have. ;-) > > so, for now, mark your calendars for the 9th. more details to follow soon. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 17:59:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ELxX813940 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-48.patriot.net [209.249.180.48]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7ELx5118137; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:59:05 -0400 Message-ID: <399869BA.9A07014E@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:50:50 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: krogish@XXXXXX CC: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR2 with a twist References: <20000814202829.9879.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <39985C86.4A878577@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What a dummy! You're supposed to mix the plug wires up so the bike won't start with no *obvious* reason. Then as Little Miss ponders her situation, you stroll up (flexing those pecs) and say "May I help you ma'am?" Not that *I* would ever do anything like that :-) Bill Kristina M. Rogish wrote: > YOWZERS!!!!! Another group ride that I'll have to miss. I will be in Bean Town that weekend, watching America's REAL team beat up on some lousy Yankee ars. :-) > > I will be at Bike Night this Sunday, though!!!!!!! :-) > > ps--- harmless enough, but annoying all the same, some jackass decided to unplug ALL 4 of my spark plugs Saturday night (Dewey). It didn't take me a horribly long time to figure out why the bike wasn't starting and to plug them back in, but still slightly unnerving... had some friends follow me home, to make sure that was the ONLY thing tampered with. Filled out a police report, but... grr!! > Irritating. > > LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > sorry for two posts in one day, but after talking to Chuck, we've decided on the following: > > > > DC-Cycles ride, Saturday, September 9 > > > > Two groups: > > > > Laura to lead the relaxed riders > > Chuck to lead the more "spirited" riders > > > > The relaxed riders will take fun roads that are suitable for sport bikes or cruisers, and we won't be going any more than 10-15 mph over the posted speed limit. > > > > The "spirited" riders will be taking roads more suitable for the speed and agility of sport bikes. I plead the fifth on their speeds... > > > > We will all start off in the same spot, meet at certain places along the way (if chuck and i can figure this out) and end up at the same place for lunch--although the spirited riders will probably be done eating, smoking their cigarettes, and already starting their afternoon naps by the time the relaxed riders get there...but that's ok--we'll have seen a lot more scenery than they will have. ;-) > > > > so, for now, mark your calendars for the 9th. more details to follow soon. > > > > Laura Granato > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 18:42:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EMgg814704 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-136.cybercable.com [204.188.47.136]) by idalee.loudoun.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7EMfan19518 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399875DD.44B32FC@loudoun.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:42:57 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Reply-To: jmoran@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question References: <3997FB76.9790FE3D@trw.com> <3998532F.D976D7EF@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're right of course, Bill, but I had just finished a week in the same beach house with him, so I wasn't feeling especially diplomatic and neither was he I think. We kept our collective cool, though, and there was no blood spilt : ) Randy Bill Huson wrote: > Just a note: *winning* against the F-I-L may require losing - very > gracefully. > > Bill > > Randy Moran wrote: > > > Hey All, > > > > I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a fair amount of time on the beltway > > so here's a question for you. Given non-rushhour traffic, what is the > > quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to the RT.50 exit in MD; the Inner Loop > > (North on 495) or the Outer Loop (South on 495)? It looks pretty even to > > me on the map with the northern route maybe getting the nod. Also, does > > anyone have an opinion as to the distance saved (within the circle of > > the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to the Outer Loop? > > > > I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in combat with my Father in > > Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this one...: ) > > > > Thanks, > > Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 19:48:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ENms815861 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-57-251.s251.tnt2.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.57.251] helo=erols.com) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13OTyM-0001fB-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:48:51 -0400 Message-ID: <39988557.51B85246@erols.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:48:39 -0400 From: Tim Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: re: Christmas Tree in August Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Steven C. Di Pietro" wrote: > This was a wake up call, like no other! On my way to > work this morning, I was on the Beltway (659) and took my exit ramp, to > get on to RT. 295 to head into Baltimore. Well traffic on 295 moves very > fast. The right lane travels around 65 to 70 mph. NORMALLY. Well I'm on > the ramp at twice the speed, so I can merge cleanly. Am I misreading this? Does this indicate that you are on the ramp at 130-140 mph? If so.... (snippage) > Damn....... it was all over in probably, 2 or 3 seconds, and it > felt like a mainlined jolt of double expresso. > Keep you eyes open out there, as if your being hunted by assassins > operating those cages, and maybe you too, can live through the day. Be > careful out there. They're out to get'cha. .... and you're aiding & abetting!! Tim From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 19:52:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ENqf815964 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.ce.94bfabb (8327); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:52:29 -0400 (EDT) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:52:29 EDT Subject: Any 97 TL1000S owners in DC Metro area? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, race@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Im looking for any 97 TLS owners in the DC Metro area who would be willing to lend me an hour of your time. I would like to borrow your stock ECU to test and make sure thats not causing my idling problem. Anybody who would be so kind as to help out a fellow TL rider, email me directly. Im located in Alexandria. Thanks in advance! From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 21:26:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7F1Qr817502 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-166.90.26.47.Washington1.Level3.net [166.90.26.47]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA21202; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" , "Balt-Cycles-l" , "D.C.Cycles-L" , "Katana-L" , , "Suzuki Owners Club Md." , "SuzukiBikes-L" , "Suzuki-l" , Subject: Good News, Bad News Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:18:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c00656$c4b62780$2f1a5aa6@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3997FA1C.AFAF54B9@peabody.jhu.edu> Well, the good news is I've finally got a replacement exhaust system ordered for my Superhawk. Sometime next week I'll be rollin' with a shiny new M4 full system with carbon cans! The bad news it wasn't without some frustration from these motorcycle parts companies. I've finally cooled down enough from this afternoon to leave out all the expletive, but let me say this: I will NEVER buy ANYTHING from STARYCYCLE ever. To make a long story very short they were extremely rude on the phone when I had a few questions about the exhaust systems before dropping a grand on one. The guy actually said "I don't have time for questions. I just need to make sales." Well I was pretty miffed even after hanging up on him and when I called back to tell a manager what had happened, the next guy told me that was what they were instructed to say to people. Company Policy of some sort. Well, I've been on these lists enough to know that very few people know everything there is to know about exhaust systems and I don't think having a few questions for the person you're about to hand so much money over to is too much to ask. Fortunately I ended up being referred to nwcycles.com and the guy was the complete opposite. I asked a question, he answered. He even said things like "hmm. let me check the dyno charts of these different brands for your bike." well I ordered from him. So, just wanted to pass that along. If you want to be treated like trash, call Starcycle. If you want to be able to ask questions before spending a grand, call northwest cycles. Matt From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 22:01:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com (web5201.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7F214818143 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000815020036.17162.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.84.77] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:00:36 PDT Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:00:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Randy, http://www.richmond.infi.net/~kozelsm/I495_VA_Desc.html and http://www.kurumi.com/roads/3di/i495.html You'll have to dig for the answers though and I'm not sure they're all there. Hey, it's 64 miles total! >From 66 & 495, I'd give the outer beltway the slight nod to Route 50 in MD...but the FASTEST route is THROUGH DC: 395 North to 295 North, New York Ave to Route 50 East. Works out well for the Friday afternoon RACE TO THE BEACH... ...and another thing... Dad-in-law has entirely too much time on his hands. ;-) Good Luck. -Corbett --- Randy Moran wrote: > Hey All, > > I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a fair amount of > time on the beltway > so here's a question for you. Given non-rushhour > traffic, what is the > quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to the RT.50 exit in > MD; the Inner Loop > (North on 495) or the Outer Loop (South on 495)? It > looks pretty even to > me on the map with the northern route maybe getting > the nod. Also, does > anyone have an opinion as to the distance saved > (within the circle of > the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to the > Outer Loop? > > I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in > combat with my Father in > Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this > one...: ) > > Thanks, > Randy Moran > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 22:35:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5203.mail.yahoo.com (web5203.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7F2ZI818797 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000815023511.22152.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.84.77] by web5203.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:35:11 PDT Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:35:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: RE: Saturday's ride To: "Wood, Sally" , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No problem Honey, I've been known to pick up MY OWN bikes on occasion. Of course, it's rarely first thing in the morning..it's usually a little later in the evening..sometime after happy hour.. Captain Morgan may be your best bud when you're cuttin' up in the bar..but he can't park your bike worth a sh#t! -Corbett '99 K1200RSwashbuckler --- "Wood, Sally" wrote: > There you have it...the second most embarassing > thing that's happened to me > this week!! ;) > > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:09 PM > To: swood@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Saturday's ride > > > On Mon, 14 August 2000, "Wood, Sally" wrote: > > Sally's still in a daze, she meants thanks to > corbett. :-) > > > > Hi all, > > > > I had a blast on Saturday and hope everyone else > did, too. Great weather, > > great company and beautiful scenery. > Leaders...sweepers...all excellent! > I > > also really admire those riders who show up for > the trips who've never met > > any of the other riders! I hope you felt welcome > and look forward to > seeing > > you again soon. Harold...can't wait to see you on > that new VFR!! :) > > > > Sally > > '98 GS500E > > > > p.s. I'd always hoped that if my bike fell over, > it would in the presence > > of a bunch of fellow DC-Cycles riders.......NOT!! > Thanks Corbin, for > > picking it up while I just stood there in a daze! > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 22:40:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com (web5201.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7F2eH818815 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000815024009.23291.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.84.77] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:40:09 PDT Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:40:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: RR2 with a twist To: krogish@XXXXXX, DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So..You DIDN't wake up with a banana in your tailpipe? :-0 -Corbett ps. Thanks for the warning for Sunday. --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > YOWZERS!!!!! Another group ride that I'll have to > miss. I will be in Bean Town that weekend, watching > America's REAL team beat up on some lousy Yankee > ars. :-) > > I will be at Bike Night this Sunday, though!!!!!!! > :-) > > ps--- harmless enough, but annoying all the same, > some jackass decided to unplug ALL 4 of my spark > plugs Saturday night (Dewey). It didn't take me a > horribly long time to figure out why the bike wasn't > starting and to plug them back in, but still > slightly unnerving... had some friends follow me > home, to make sure that was the ONLY thing tampered > with. Filled out a police report, but... grr!! > Irritating. > > LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > sorry for two posts in one day, but after talking > to Chuck, we've decided on the following: > > > > DC-Cycles ride, Saturday, September 9 > > > > Two groups: > > > > Laura to lead the relaxed riders > > Chuck to lead the more "spirited" riders > > > > The relaxed riders will take fun roads that are > suitable for sport bikes or cruisers, and we won't > be going any more than 10-15 mph over the posted > speed limit. > > > > The "spirited" riders will be taking roads more > suitable for the speed and agility of sport bikes. > I plead the fifth on their speeds... > > > > We will all start off in the same spot, meet at > certain places along the way (if chuck and i can > figure this out) and end up at the same place for > lunch--although the spirited riders will probably be > done eating, smoking their cigarettes, and already > starting their afternoon naps by the time the > relaxed riders get there...but that's ok--we'll have > seen a lot more scenery than they will have. ;-) > > > > so, for now, mark your calendars for the 9th. > more details to follow soon. > > > > Laura Granato > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 22:52:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com (web5201.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7F2qI819047 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000815025212.24835.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.84.77] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:52:12 PDT Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:52:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Bike games To: Bill Huson , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Actually, I like to walk up to my buddys' Harley's, pour a little oil on the ground & throw a few nuts and bolts down next to their bike. Then when they get out of the bar ...I just look at them, look at the oil, then back at them..sigh heavily and reply with great disdain, "So how long is THIS gonna take?" Man, I'm glad they're not list members yet..I still have a few victims left. -Corbett '99 K1200RS-O-B --- Bill Huson wrote: > What a dummy! You're supposed to mix the plug wires > up so the bike won't start with no *obvious* reason. > Then as Little Miss ponders her situation, you > stroll up (flexing those pecs) and say "May I help > you ma'am?" > > Not that *I* would ever do anything like that :-) > > Bill > > > Kristina M. Rogish wrote: > > > YOWZERS!!!!! Another group ride that I'll have to > miss. I will be in Bean Town that weekend, watching > America's REAL team beat up on some lousy Yankee > ars. :-) > > > > I will be at Bike Night this Sunday, though!!!!!!! > :-) > > > > ps--- harmless enough, but annoying all the same, > some jackass decided to unplug ALL 4 of my spark > plugs Saturday night (Dewey). It didn't take me a > horribly long time to figure out why the bike wasn't > starting and to plug them back in, but still > slightly unnerving... had some friends follow me > home, to make sure that was the ONLY thing tampered > with. Filled out a police report, but... grr!! > > Irritating. > > > > LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > > > sorry for two posts in one day, but after > talking to Chuck, we've decided on the following: > > > > > > DC-Cycles ride, Saturday, September 9 > > > > > > Two groups: > > > > > > Laura to lead the relaxed riders > > > Chuck to lead the more "spirited" riders > > > > > > The relaxed riders will take fun roads that are > suitable for sport bikes or cruisers, and we won't > be going any more than 10-15 mph over the posted > speed limit. > > > > > > The "spirited" riders will be taking roads more > suitable for the speed and agility of sport bikes. > I plead the fifth on their speeds... > > > > > > We will all start off in the same spot, meet at > certain places along the way (if chuck and i can > figure this out) and end up at the same place for > lunch--although the spirited riders will probably be > done eating, smoking their cigarettes, and already > starting their afternoon naps by the time the > relaxed riders get there...but that's ok--we'll have > seen a lot more scenery than they will have. ;-) > > > > > > so, for now, mark your calendars for the 9th. > more details to follow soon. > > > > > > Laura Granato > > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > > http://www.peoplepc.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 02:12:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7F6Ct822791 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 02:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-238-7.s261.tnt9.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.238.7]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13OZy0-0004oO-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 02:12:52 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: beware bike jackers in dc Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:18:13 GMT Message-ID: <39990929.101835861@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7F6DJ822792 Tonight at around 10:45 p.m. i think it was, two young men came up to the parking lot of the exxon gas station at NY ave and bladensburg rd. (18-25 in age). One with the gun was thin, about 5-8. the other one was supposedly thickly built, as in muscular with some type of dreadlock or something hairdew. One was holding a handgun (south central, no aim style) held sideways and told everyone to get on the ground. Some people ran. Some people got on the ground. In the confusion, the two guys started up a yellow and black 2000 gsxr 750. rider got on without a helmet. passenger, with the gun grabbed a helmet and got on. The bike had a seat cowl on it and a carbon fiber pipe. If you see abike like that out of the ordinary... maybe you should have the police check it out. again it was yellow and black. it had hard tags, va plates. anyway if you ride a decent looking/model sportsbike around the area, beware of bike jackers. supposedly the dc police saw the bike and chased it on east capital street... the bike got away.. police broke off persuit becase at that time there was no report of a bike jacking and it was just a traffic violation. there were no shots fired, and luckily no one got hurt. The person who owned the bike had a previous accident or two, so on a good note, atleast they will get a new bike. Daniel watch out. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 07:00:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FB0g827476 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id r.76.2212adb (4402); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:00:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <76.2212adb.26ca7cc7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:00:23 EDT Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question To: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 In a message dated 8/14/00 10:02:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX writes: << .but the FASTEST route is THROUGH DC: 395 North to 295 North, New York Ave to Route 50 East. >> Insane as it sounds, this is accurate. I use it frequently. The first few times may seem like a drag, but once it becomes second nature - Zip, like crap thru a goose. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 08:22:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f49.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FCM1828643 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 05:21:53 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RR2 anyone? Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:21:53 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2000 12:21:53.0772 (UTC) FILETIME=[657912C0:01C006B3] I'm in, and will even sweep again; provided we have your fine weather seal of approval! Rob Date: 14 Aug 2000 07:18:35 -0700 X-Sent: 14 Aug 2000 14:18:35 GMT Content-Disposition: inline To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Subject: RR2 anyone? Well, since I received so many requests for another ride like Saturday's relaxed ride, anyone up for RR2 on Saturday, September 9? We could do it the weekend before, but figure a lot of people will be vacationing for the long labor day weekend...any thoughts? Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 08:34:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f3.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FCYr828801 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 05:34:46 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR1 a success Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:34:46 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2000 12:34:46.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[3201F450:01C006B5] No worries at all. It just gave me a few extra miles on a beautiful day. Plus I got to hook up with a couple R6's on the way into DC and had some fun. I made it fine to Polly's and had a nice lunch. Speaking of DC, man do those roads suck ass! Any nominations for another post ride lunch place for RR2? (sorry Chuck) On another note, No, I wasn't trying for a Ducati look during RR1. (although my VFR has been mistaken for one before, by an idiot, LOL) I lost my left low beam somewhere along the ride, and then lost the other on the way home. I put the stockers back in, and I'm all set for Bike Night 5 at Carpool. See you then! Rob Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:40:18 -0400 From: vulgar_power X-Accept-Language: en CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR1 a success Hi all, Let me first say to Rob, I'm sorry for the belt way excursion. I honestly thought that you were directing me (us) that way. I thought, 495, ok maybe a short cut. But when we got into VA I knew something was up. Pulled off, talked to Rob and found out his ride sheet had come out of his tank bag somewhere, and he was following me. Mike was gonna bail at Polly's (things to do), and I was bummed about the group separation, so we told Rob we were sorry, and were gonna head back to Manassas. Secondly, to Michelle, Chuck, Laura and Rob, thanks for the great ride! Even with the, um, disappearance of the group at the last gas stop, it was a great day. Mike and I have both said that we will do future group rides. Great ride, great people, just what I had expected. -jay '00 Shadow CD ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 08:42:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FCft828883 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA44560 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:30:42 -0500 From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.35]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.92) with SMTP id IAA26838 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:41:52 -0400 Received: by d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525693C.0045BFEB ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:41:51 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525693C.0045BDF2.00@d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:41:43 -0400 Subject: Austrailian squid Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >From drive.com.au http://www.drive.com.au/news/default.asp?section=news&page=http://drive.fairfax.com.au/content/20000815/news/news3.html Motorbike rider too bold for the brass First Published: The Age Tuesday, August 15, 2000 By SUE CANT An L-plate motorcyclist did a wheelie for 15 metres before riding off at 145km/h in a 70km/h speed zone - all in front of Victoria's top traffic policeman, a court was told yesterday. Assistant Commissioner for Traffic Ray Shuey was waiting at an intersection in an unmarked car on November 25 last year when the motorcyclist sped off as the lights changed. Mr Shuey told Ringwood Magistrates Court that he chased the motorcyclist at speeds of up to 145km/h before pulling him over. The motorcyclist reached the high speeds within a kilometre of the traffic lights near Burwood Highway in the Melbourne suburb of East Burwood, the court was told. John Paroukas, 23, of Vermont, failed to appear at court yesterday after electing to contest the speeding charge. After pulling him over, Mr Shuey had given Paroukas a $360 on-the-spot fine and suspended his licence for six months. Magistrate Paul Smith said Paroukas had picked the wrong person to commit a traffic offence in front of. He fined him $300 and suspended all his licences for nine months. Regards, Tom Knapik '83 Honda CX650C E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 09:12:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FDCq829768 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 26402 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2000 06:12:44 -0700 Date: 15 Aug 2000 06:12:44 -0700 Message-ID: <20000815131244.26401.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 15 Aug 2000 13:12:44 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 15 Aug 2000 06:12:44 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: robert_keiser@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: RE: RR2 anyone? On Tue, 15 August 2000, "Robert Keiser" wrote: Yea! but I figured you'd probably want to ride with the "spirited" group????? > > I'm in, and will even sweep again; provided we have your fine weather seal > of approval! > > Rob > > > > Date: 14 Aug 2000 07:18:35 -0700 > X-Sent: 14 Aug 2000 14:18:35 GMT > Content-Disposition: inline > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: LAURA GRANATO > Subject: RR2 anyone? > > Well, since I received so many requests for another ride like Saturday's > relaxed ride, anyone up for RR2 on Saturday, September 9? We could do it > the weekend before, but figure a lot of people will be vacationing for the > long labor day weekend...any thoughts? > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 09:17:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FDHK800207 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 26517 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2000 06:17:07 -0700 Date: 15 Aug 2000 06:17:07 -0700 Message-ID: <20000815131707.26516.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 15 Aug 2000 13:17:07 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 15 Aug 2000 06:17:07 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: parking question I know it's been discussed before, but I'm asking again anyway...sorry! Got to work this morning and they are installing parking gates for the garage where I work, and a huge sticker on it saying "no motorcycles." OK, I f*&%ing work in this building and they are paying for a spot for me, so what's the difference if I park my bike or my cage? Who do I take this up with? has anyone fought this battle and won? If so, what did you say/do to make it happen? TIA. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 09:23:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FDNq800399 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:22:59 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B871A@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'LAURA GRANATO'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: parking question Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:13:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Can you fit around the gates? Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [SMTP:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 9:17 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: parking question > > I know it's been discussed before, but I'm asking again anyway...sorry! > > Got to work this morning and they are installing parking gates for the > garage where I work, and a huge sticker on it saying "no motorcycles." > OK, I f*&%ing work in this building and they are paying for a spot for me, > so what's the difference if I park my bike or my cage? > > Who do I take this up with? has anyone fought this battle and won? If > so, what did you say/do to make it happen? TIA. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 09:24:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FDO0800401 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000815132344.23509.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.11.25] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 06:23:44 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 06:23:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: parking question To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You can read the AMA article about parking gates at: http://www.amadirectlink.com/magazine/2000/story2ma.html They have a few suggestions. Louis --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > I know it's been discussed before, but I'm asking again anyway...sorry! > > Got to work this morning and they are installing parking gates for the garage > where I work, and a huge sticker on it saying "no motorcycles." OK, I > f*&%ing work in this building and they are paying for a spot for me, so > what's the difference if I park my bike or my cage? > > Who do I take this up with? has anyone fought this battle and won? If so, > what did you say/do to make it happen? TIA. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 09:25:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FDP8800500 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-31.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.223]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA31126; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39997010.1067930E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:30:08 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Glenn Braunstein (W)" Subject: Re: RR2 with a twist References: <20000814202829.9879.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One minor correction. I am going to help organize both routes. However, I am trying to talk Glenn Braunstein into leading the "spirited" group. The route I have in mind is a variation of one I've ridden with Glenn previously. Plus he is a much faster rider than me! %^) And I would enjoy just riding rather than leading for a change. Some details... The likely starting point will be the Sheetz in Haymarket at the intersection of 55 and 15. Both groups will travel some of the same roads, but won't be on identical routes. The "sprited" ride will probably be longer mileage. Just trying to figure out where to do lunch. Chuck LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > sorry for two posts in one day, but after talking to Chuck, we've decided on the following: > > DC-Cycles ride, Saturday, September 9 > > Two groups: > > Laura to lead the relaxed riders > Chuck to lead the more "spirited" riders > > The relaxed riders will take fun roads that are suitable for sport bikes or cruisers, and we won't be going any more than 10-15 mph over the posted speed limit. > > The "spirited" riders will be taking roads more suitable for the speed and agility of sport bikes. I plead the fifth on their speeds... > > We will all start off in the same spot, meet at certain places along the way (if chuck and i can figure this out) and end up at the same place for lunch--although the spirited riders will probably be done eating, smoking their cigarettes, and already starting their afternoon naps by the time the relaxed riders get there...but that's ok--we'll have seen a lot more scenery than they will have. ;-) > > so, for now, mark your calendars for the 9th. more details to follow soon. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 09:33:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FDXO800774 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 26783 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2000 06:33:17 -0700 Date: 15 Aug 2000 06:33:17 -0700 Message-ID: <20000815133317.26782.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 15 Aug 2000 13:33:17 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 15 Aug 2000 06:33:17 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: RE: parking question On Tue, 15 August 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Can you fit around the gates? > not sure yet. they are still in the process of building the contraption. lol. they only have the boxes in...no gates or anything yet. But the way the garage is layed out...I don't think once the gates are in I'll be able to sneak around them. Not that I would EVER do something like that. lol. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LAURA GRANATO [SMTP:lgranato@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 9:17 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: parking question > > > > I know it's been discussed before, but I'm asking again anyway...sorry! > > > > Got to work this morning and they are installing parking gates for the > > garage where I work, and a huge sticker on it saying "no motorcycles." > > OK, I f*&%ing work in this building and they are paying for a spot for me, > > so what's the difference if I park my bike or my cage? > > > > Who do I take this up with? has anyone fought this battle and won? If > > so, what did you say/do to make it happen? TIA. > > > > Laura Granato > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 09:36:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FDab800855 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 26831 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2000 06:36:31 -0700 Date: 15 Aug 2000 06:36:31 -0700 Message-ID: <20000815133631.26830.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 15 Aug 2000 13:36:31 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 15 Aug 2000 06:36:31 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: fearless leader needed Glen, Bryan, Rob, someone.... Chuck found out he can't be at the ride on the 9th. :-( Anyone out there volunteer to lead the "spirited" group for me?????? :-) Please, please, pretty please....don't make me beg. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 09:39:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FDdT800865 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id p.6e.224f390 (4329); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:39:05 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6e.224f390.26caa1f8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:39:04 EDT Subject: Re: parking question To: lgranato@XXXXXX, Mkitchell@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Folks... the "no motorcycles" thing on gates is a pure CYA on the gate manufacturer's part. At AOL, we have these gates at every entrance to the compound... my bike goes under them just fine. Same deal at pentagon city - the only lot for the mall is gated in the same way. I've never had a problem with parking gates in my 12 years of riding. (Of course, typing this means I'll get whomped today on my way through) Just duck and hit the gas if you happen to see something big, wooden, and orange headed toward your head... :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 09:47:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FDlJ801021 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA17339; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:42:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "LAURA GRANATO" , Cc: Subject: RE: parking question Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:46:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20000815133317.26782.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> I used to work at a building on Democracy Ave. that had gates controlled by key cards. At first I used my key card every time, but it got to be a real hurry to get the key card back in a pocket, bike in gear, and move forward before the gate came down again. I almost got decapitated once, and after that I just rode around the end of the gate. Several other bikes did the same and we never got hassled about it. I think the only reason the garage will institute a "no motorcycles" policy is to avoid lawsuits from bikers who get whacked by the gate like I almost did. I wouldn't worry too much about enforcement though - the attendants at these sorts of lots usually couldn't care less if a motorcycle parked there. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 6:33 AM To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: parking question On Tue, 15 August 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Can you fit around the gates? > not sure yet. they are still in the process of building the contraption. lol. they only have the boxes in...no gates or anything yet. But the way the garage is layed out...I don't think once the gates are in I'll be able to sneak around them. Not that I would EVER do something like that. lol. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 09:51:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FDpi801098 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-32 #43876) with ESMTP id <0FZC0005C6HS2A@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <36R3K5TK>; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:52:10 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:49:54 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: Attn: VFR riders (and anyone else interested)... To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68067FE0B@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The 4th annual WDGH (We Don't Give a hoot) ride is coming up the weekend of September 15-17th. The URL of the 2000 ride is: http://bcguy.entropymedia.com/wdgh/info2000.html the WDGH homepage is located at: http://bcguy.entropymedia.com/wdgh/index.html Her is an excerpt from a VFR mailing list post: The WDGAH (We Don't Give A Hoot) kicks ass!! If you're in the New England area ... hell, even if you're not in the New England area (Chris Pitts will be attending this year and he lives in Tennessee, so unless you're from Nevada .. you have no excuse!), and you have the means to come out to the WDGAH .. do so, you won't regret it. You'll have an absolute blast, you'll see some great country, and you'll meet some wonderful people. http://216.167.110.195/wdgh -Calvin '00VFR800FI From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 10:04:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FE46801271 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-215-64.s318.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.215.64] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13OhJy-0002v0-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:04:04 -0400 Message-ID: <00dd01c006c1$17248ce0$bcd73ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Group rides - a suggestion Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:59:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 May I make a suggestion. I led a group ride back in July and prepared a ride sheet and posted on my web site. (http://users.erols.com/pawilson/730ride.html) It's a the bottom of the page. That way anyone who wanted could download the information in advance and bring it along. It included detailed info. on the start location, so I didn't have to explain it a dozen times. Some people (like me) want to know where we're headed at all times. Others are content to follow the leader and don't want to follow a ride sheet. The ride leaders are also relieved of the responsibility of making copies and distributing ride sheets and it's also a nice way to build up a database for future rides. I like to have segment mileage between major landmarks and turns as well as total accumulated mileage. It's really easy to do in Excel, using the "saveas HTML" function. I'll even volunteer to do it, provided someone gives me the routing. We could set up a freebie geocities account like the BikeNight site. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 10:12:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FECC801429 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Tue Aug 15 07:11:50 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:11:50 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: VA - 5 county run X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm brand new to the list so I don't know what kind of rides (aside from really fast for some of you) the group likes. I've been exploring out Warrenton way after work. I haven't finished putting the route together but here it is so far. There are lots of curves and elevation change. Many with 15, 20 or 25mph limit signs. At a normal, reasonable pace they are not exceptionally difficult. Take it higher and you'll probably get a serious hit of fear. Then again I don't know the group dynamics and I've only been riding since July; 4000 miles to date. US 50, North up Snickersville Turnpike, 1 block west on RT 7, south on RT 601. East on US 50 for a light. South US 17. right onto rt 688. Cross I-66 and contine till US 211. Turn right, then left onto RT 229. Option 1: follow 229 to Culpeper (and likely food/gas) Option 2: Left onto Jeffersonian Road and take RT 802 to Warrenton or Opal or stay south for Remington, VA. Cross US 15 and head SouthEast on Sumerduck Road. Follow till it dead ends into US 17. From there you can go back to Manassas or continue SE to I-95 (Fredericksburg) and back to Alexandria/Springfield/DC. How about it? Anyone want to do this as a group ride sort of thing? theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 10:24:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FEOR801973 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-31.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.223]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29055; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39997E21.F5D7F25D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:30:09 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pattonme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA - 5 county run References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew, These are all good roads for riding. Suggest you just announce that you're gonna lead a ride! Pick a starting place and time. Ask for RSVPs so that you have some idea how many people are going to join you. AFIAK, no one has posted a ride for this weekend yet. May the force be with you! %^) Chuck Matthew Patton wrote: > > I'm brand new to the list so I don't know what kind of rides (aside from really fast for some of you) the group likes. I've been exploring out Warrenton way after work. > > I haven't finished putting the route together but here it is so far. There are lots of curves and elevation change. Many with 15, 20 or 25mph limit signs. At a normal, reasonable pace they are not exceptionally difficult. Take it higher and you'll probably get a serious hit of fear. Then again I don't know the group dynamics and I've only been riding since July; 4000 miles to date. > > US 50, North up Snickersville Turnpike, 1 block west on RT 7, south on RT 601. East on US 50 for a light. South US 17. right onto rt 688. Cross I-66 and contine till US 211. Turn right, then left onto RT 229. > > Option 1: follow 229 to Culpeper (and likely food/gas) > Option 2: Left onto Jeffersonian Road and take RT 802 to Warrenton or Opal or stay south for Remington, VA. > > Cross US 15 and head SouthEast on Sumerduck Road. Follow till it dead ends into US 17. From there you can go back to Manassas or continue SE to I-95 (Fredericksburg) and back to Alexandria/Springfield/DC. > > How about it? Anyone want to do this as a group ride sort of thing? > > theglobe.com > Your friendly full-service integrated online community. > http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 10:33:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FEX9802125 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:32:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Looking for good prices on helmets Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:32:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Corbett B claimed, "I'll soon be in the market for a Shoei Xtec or RF800 full-face helmet. I remember a few list members making recommendations for dealers.. Could you post or email me a link, URL address, or phone # of the dealers? If anyone currently owns a Shoei Xtec and cares to comment on whether the Xtec is worth the few extra dollars over the RF800, I'd be curious to know." Cycle Accessories in Gaithersburg has had the best local helmet prices for some time. RF800s were ~ $230 Don't recall Xtec but they had some X-9s Call em. Nice thing about local is your can try on the helmet you want to buy. Because my face is familiar or they're nice, they let me test drive a helmet once. I have a X-8 and it has a slightly different fit than the RF800. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 10:36:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FEaY802214 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA17963 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:31:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: Cycle Sport Phone? Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:35:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Does anyone have the number for Herndon Cycle Sport? I can't seem to find it on the web anywhere. Thanks. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 10:44:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FEiq802293 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.40]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id KAA13328 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:44:49 -0400 X-Really-To: Message-ID: <005701c006c7$bcf84660$9307a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Looking for good prices on helmets Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:47:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Jenspeed: www.jenspeed.com 800-443-0625. If any of you call please tell them that Danny Thompson recommended them. Don't know if it will do any good, but it might. They already give me the best prices on everything and great service also. Danny '99 SV (race bike) Warrenton, VA www.onewayracing.org WERA & CCS Amateur # 903 Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle, 540-347-4591, www.blalockcycle.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Custer, Carl To: 'DCCy' <> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 10:32 AM Subject: Looking for good prices on helmets > Corbett B claimed, "I'll soon be in the market for a Shoei Xtec or RF800 > full-face helmet. > I remember a few list members making recommendations for dealers.. Could > you post or email me a link, URL address, or phone # of the dealers? > If anyone currently owns a Shoei Xtec and cares to comment on whether the > Xtec is worth the few extra > dollars over the RF800, I'd be curious to know." > > Cycle Accessories in Gaithersburg has had the best local helmet prices for > some time. > RF800s were ~ $230 > Don't recall Xtec but they had some X-9s > Call em. > Nice thing about local is your can try on the helmet you want to buy. > Because my face is familiar or they're nice, they let me test drive a helmet > once. > > I have a X-8 and it has a slightly different fit than the RF800. > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 10:45:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FEjC802372 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-31.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.223]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07837; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399982FE.241F230E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:50:54 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Weaver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cycle Sport Phone? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (703) 471-6990 Christopher Weaver wrote: > > Does anyone have the number for Herndon Cycle Sport? I can't seem to find it > on the web anywhere. Thanks. > > Cheers, > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 10:49:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FEno802392 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18155 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:44:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: RE: Cycle Sport Phone? Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:49:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <39995785.F94D41F7@trw.com> Great! Thanks everyone. Chris From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 10:59:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com ([204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FExM802789 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:55:48 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:54:48 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: New to list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7FExR802790 I just wanted to say hello to the list/group after lurking for a few weeks. So far I have been on one of the DC cycles rides ( Aug 8th led by Glenn Braunstein), it was fun. Riding with a large group is a new experience for me. Since most of my rides have been in MD, all of the roads in N. VA are new to me. If we ever get a dry spell soon I was thinking about going on a two or 3 day ride into West VA. Does anyone have any route suggestions? The last time I was in WVA I was camping on Spruce Knob Mtn. If anyone is interested I have posted a few images from the last two Bike Nites, if you see your bike there let me know and I will change the header. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=986620&a=7389062 Regards, George Cole 20000 Yellow VFR About 8 or 9 other bikes since '82 George M Cole Senior Account Manager Boise Technology www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 410 796-0714 CUSTOMER SERVICE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM 1-800-525-9500 FAX 1-800-952-9084 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 11:09:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FF9P802981 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:08:57 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8723@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'George Cole'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New to list Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:59:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Hey, the 1991 VFR 750 with a Corbin is mine. Sweet Ride! Mark Kitchell > -----Original Message----- > From: George Cole [SMTP:George.Cole@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 10:55 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: New to list > > I just wanted to say hello to the list/group after lurking for a few > weeks. So far I have been on one of the DC cycles rides ( Aug 8th led by > Glenn Braunstein), it was fun. Riding with a large group is a new > experience for me. > > Since most of my rides have been in MD, all of the roads in N. VA are new > to me. If we ever get a dry spell soon I was thinking about going on a two > or 3 day ride into West VA. Does anyone have any route suggestions? The > last time I was in WVA I was camping on Spruce Knob Mtn. > > If anyone is interested I have posted a few images from the last two Bike > Nites, if you see your bike there let me know and I will change the > header. > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=986620&a=7389062 > > > Regards, > > George Cole > 20000 Yellow VFR > About 8 or 9 other bikes since '82 > > George M Cole > Senior Account Manager > Boise Technology > www.boisetech.com > 301-523-4161 > FAX 410 796-0714 > CUSTOMER SERVICE > 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM > 1-800-525-9500 FAX 1-800-952-9084 > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 11:12:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com ([204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FFCu803081 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:09:16 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:00:33 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Looking for good prices on helmets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7FFCx803082 Try helmetshop.com 1-800-630-6434 You may want to call them they have some blowout deals and their prices on the web don't always reflect the latest price. George M Cole Senior Account Manager Boise Technology www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 410 796-0714 CUSTOMER SERVICE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM 1-800-525-9500 FAX 1-800-952-9084 >>> "Custer, Carl" 08/15/00 10:32AM >>> Corbett B claimed, "I'll soon be in the market for a Shoei Xtec or RF800 full-face helmet. I remember a few list members making recommendations for dealers.. Could you post or email me a link, URL address, or phone # of the dealers? If anyone currently owns a Shoei Xtec and cares to comment on whether the Xtec is worth the few extra dollars over the RF800, I'd be curious to know." Cycle Accessories in Gaithersburg has had the best local helmet prices for some time. RF800s were ~ $230 Don't recall Xtec but they had some X-9s Call em. Nice thing about local is your can try on the helmet you want to buy. Because my face is familiar or they're nice, they let me test drive a helmet once. I have a X-8 and it has a slightly different fit than the RF800. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 11:14:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FFDw803093 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Tue Aug 15 08:13:43 2000 To: "D.C. Cycles" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:13:43 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Looking for good prices on helmets X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got my RF-800 at FastLane cycles (Chantily). For like $170. The receipt is at home so I can't check to be absolutely sure. It was a huge discount off of normal prices though. Again not sure if they were just trying to get rid of it (small's don't sell that well) or what. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 11:24:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FFOm803454 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.11] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:24:13 -0700 Received: from navieg1 ([129.193.4.9]) by navieg3.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:25:42 0000 (GMT) Received: (from RESVA-MS6 [158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 61) with SMTP id M2000081508244808175 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:24:48 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:23:51 -0400 Message-Id: <39996091.77354936@trw.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:24:01 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New to list References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi George, and welcome to the list. Nice pictures. Wow, does that RC30 belong to one of us (DC Cyclers)? IMHO the coolest bike ever... Randy Moran George Cole wrote: > I just wanted to say hello to the list/group after lurking for a few weeks. So far I have been on one of the DC cycles rides ( Aug 8th led by Glenn Braunstein), it was fun. Riding with a large group is a new experience for me. > > Since most of my rides have been in MD, all of the roads in N. VA are new to me. If we ever get a dry spell soon I was thinking about going on a two or 3 day ride into West VA. Does anyone have any route suggestions? The last time I was in WVA I was camping on Spruce Knob Mtn. > > If anyone is interested I have posted a few images from the last two Bike Nites, if you see your bike there let me know and I will change the header. > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=986620&a=7389062 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 11:28:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FFSp803684 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:28:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200008151128.AA1835528@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: LAURA GRANATO , Subject: Re: parking question X-Mailer: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7FFSv803687 "No motorcycles" through gates is for liability, like not allowing pedestrians. Learn where the wire loops are and how to position yourself. The gates where I work are fine for the cycle - I could go around but I'd rather not have people think I'm cheating. It's fun to test them: for me coming in is fine, and the gate stays up as long as I sit by the card-reader after opening the gate. Going out is easy with the ST1100 - the gate just goes up. With the PC, if I move forward too far, it must uncover the rear loop 'cause the gate goes spastic - up, down, up, up, down, up, down, down ... it did this once when a pedestrian was walking by and the look on his face was priceless. So I find it's best to inch up until the bike just trips the second loop - this way the gate stays up until I pass underneath. best, Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Louis F. Caplan" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 06:23:44 -0700 (PDT) > >You can read the AMA article about parking gates at: >http://www.amadirectlink.com/magazine/2000/story2ma.html > >They have a few suggestions. > >Louis > >--- LAURA GRANATO wrote: >> I know it's been discussed before, but I'm asking again anyway...sorry! >> >> Got to work this morning and they are installing parking gates for the garage >> where I work, and a huge sticker on it saying "no motorcycles." OK, I >> f*&%ing work in this building and they are paying for a spot for me, so >> what's the difference if I park my bike or my cage? >> >> Who do I take this up with? has anyone fought this battle and won? If so, >> what did you say/do to make it happen? TIA. >> >> Laura Granato >> '99 Suzuki GS500 >> >> >> ________________________________________________ >> PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >> http://www.peoplepc.com > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 11:36:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FFaI804017 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:35:43 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8726@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Randy Moran'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New to list Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:26:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Randy.....if you came to Bike Night you would know that its for sale (at least the VFR 400 is)!! Only $6500. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy Moran [SMTP:Randy.Moran@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:24 AM > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: New to list > > Hi George, and welcome to the list. Nice pictures. > > Wow, does that RC30 belong to one of us (DC Cyclers)? IMHO the coolest > bike ever... > > Randy Moran > > George Cole wrote: > > > I just wanted to say hello to the list/group after lurking for a few > weeks. So far I have been on one of the DC cycles rides ( Aug 8th led by > Glenn Braunstein), it was fun. Riding with a large group is a new > experience for me. > > > > Since most of my rides have been in MD, all of the roads in N. VA are > new to me. If we ever get a dry spell soon I was thinking about going on a > two or 3 day ride into West VA. Does anyone have any route suggestions? > The last time I was in WVA I was camping on Spruce Knob Mtn. > > > > If anyone is interested I have posted a few images from the last two > Bike Nites, if you see your bike there let me know and I will change the > header. > > > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=986620&a=7389062 > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 11:45:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web1503.mail.yahoo.com (web1503.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.181]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FFjV804314 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29390 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2000 15:45:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000815154528.29389.qmail@web1503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.241.50.62] by web1503.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:45:28 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:45:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Kristina Rogish Subject: Re: RR2 with a twist To: Corbett B , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Corbett B wrote: > So..You DIDN't wake up with a banana in your tailpipe? > > :-0 Fortunately, no! ;-) > ps. Thanks for the warning for Sunday. Warning??? You feel that you need to be warned when I'm gonna show up someplace??? Yeesh! ;-) > > --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > YOWZERS!!!!! Another group ride that I'll have to > > miss. I will be in Bean Town that weekend, watching > > America's REAL team beat up on some lousy Yankee > > ars. :-) > > > > I will be at Bike Night this Sunday, though!!!!!!! > > :-) > > > > ps--- harmless enough, but annoying all the same, > > some jackass decided to unplug ALL 4 of my spark > > plugs Saturday night (Dewey). It didn't take me a > > horribly long time to figure out why the bike wasn't > > starting and to plug them back in, but still > > slightly unnerving... had some friends follow me > > home, to make sure that was the ONLY thing tampered > > with. Filled out a police report, but... grr!! > > Irritating. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 11:46:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FFk7804324 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.11] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:45:54 -0700 Received: from navieg1 ([129.193.4.9]) by navieg3.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:47:22 0000 (GMT) Received: (from RESVA-MS6 [158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 61) with SMTP id M2000081508462825998 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:46:28 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:45:50 -0400 Message-Id: <399965B9.9F1F6B87@trw.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:46:02 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New to list References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8726@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry Mark! I applaud your efforts and I feel the list has really increased in quality in the past few months due to the efforts of people like yourself and Chuck and Laura and all the rest I'm forgetting. I'd really like to go to bike night, but I'm a little light in the "bike" area right now, as all of my vast fleet is engaged in various roadracing endeavors. I just wouldn't feel right coming to Bike Night in my Toyota : ). So the VFR400 is for sale, eh? Well, to whom does the RC30 belong? Is that for sale as well? Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com Mark Kitchell wrote: > Randy.....if you came to Bike Night you would know that its for sale (at > least the VFR 400 is)!! Only $6500. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Randy Moran [SMTP:Randy.Moran@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:24 AM > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: New to list > > > > Hi George, and welcome to the list. Nice pictures. > > > > Wow, does that RC30 belong to one of us (DC Cyclers)? IMHO the coolest > > bike ever... From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 11:59:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FFxv804493 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 5.2f.941b82c (4329); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:59:27 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <2f.941b82c.26cac2de@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:59:26 EDT Subject: Re: New to list To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX, Mkitchell@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 8/15/00 11:48:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Randy.Moran@XXXXXX writes: > So the VFR400 is for sale, eh? Well, to > whom does the RC30 belong? Is that for sale as well? Same guy - he's got three RC-30's, a 748, and the VFR400. He's willing to deal on the VFR a little (I talked to him about it). I decided not to buy it as the last thing in the world I need right now is another street bike (or race bike, for that matter). It is really clean though, little over 18k Km on the clock. I'm REALLY bad with names, so I can't come up with his at the moment... really nice guy, rode his 748 with us on the ride previous to Laura's. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 12:10:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FGAD804662 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.15]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id MAA10076 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:10:11 -0400 X-Really-To: Message-ID: <008401c006d3$a9bfcf80$9307a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8726@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Subject: Re: New to list Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:12:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Actually the guy owns 2 RC30's also. You could get his cheap one for around $15,000, so I've heard. One of them is totally tricked out, from Ohlin's front to carbon fiber single sided swing arm, etc. He maintains and keeps them maticulously. I looked at the VFR400RR, but it is too small for me. It is a really sweet bike. Danny '99 SV (race bike) Warrenton, VA www.onewayracing.org WERA & CCS Amateur # 903 Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle, 540-347-4591, www.blalockcycle.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Kitchell To: 'Randy Moran' Cc: <> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:26 AM Subject: RE: New to list > Randy.....if you came to Bike Night you would know that its for sale (at > least the VFR 400 is)!! Only $6500. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Randy Moran [SMTP:Randy.Moran@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:24 AM > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: New to list > > > > Hi George, and welcome to the list. Nice pictures. > > > > Wow, does that RC30 belong to one of us (DC Cyclers)? IMHO the coolest > > bike ever... > > > > Randy Moran > > > > George Cole wrote: > > > > > I just wanted to say hello to the list/group after lurking for a few > > weeks. So far I have been on one of the DC cycles rides ( Aug 8th led by > > Glenn Braunstein), it was fun. Riding with a large group is a new > > experience for me. > > > > > > Since most of my rides have been in MD, all of the roads in N. VA are > > new to me. If we ever get a dry spell soon I was thinking about going on a > > two or 3 day ride into West VA. Does anyone have any route suggestions? > > The last time I was in WVA I was camping on Spruce Knob Mtn. > > > > > > If anyone is interested I have posted a few images from the last two > > Bike Nites, if you see your bike there let me know and I will change the > > header. > > > > > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=986620&a=7389062 > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 12:11:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FGBQ804672 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 29755 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2000 09:11:19 -0700 Date: 15 Aug 2000 09:11:19 -0700 Message-ID: <20000815161119.29754.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 15 Aug 2000 16:11:19 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 15 Aug 2000 09:11:19 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX, Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: Re: New to list On Tue, 15 August 2000, BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > I'm REALLY bad with names, so I can't come up with his at the moment... I think his name is Cole??? or something to that effect. ;-) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 12:46:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FGkE805494 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08944 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3999740B.99EAEBE1@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:47:08 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR2 anyone? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura, Robert, I mentioned your RR at our Suzuki Owners Club meeting that we had last night in Baltimore. Several of us would like to join your ride too. With all of the favorable comments about RR 1, I hope we'll be able to pick up some pointers on how to do a group ride in such a professional manner as yours. See you then! Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http:www.soc-usa.org Robert Keiser wrote: > I'm in, and will even sweep again; provided we have your fine weather seal > of approval! > > Rob > > Date: 14 Aug 2000 07:18:35 -0700 > X-Sent: 14 Aug 2000 14:18:35 GMT > Content-Disposition: inline > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: LAURA GRANATO > Subject: RR2 anyone? > > Well, since I received so many requests for another ride like Saturday's > relaxed ride, anyone up for RR2 on Saturday, September 9? We could do it > the weekend before, but figure a lot of people will be vacationing for the > long labor day weekend...any thoughts? > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 13:21:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FHLr806070 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000815172146.12553.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.205] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:21:46 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:21:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Suspicion of speeders To: Todd Peer , AA DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii this message just appeared in my box....hmmm response below --- Todd Peer wrote: > Fresh outta law school and already startin' shit: yeah...i figured it was as good of a time as any to start :) > > Even if I don't have anything to hide, > > and I trust that the cops aren't going to plant > > something, what if I > > don't want to have my car searched? > > as i said in an earlier post....you as a citizen > have > chosen to drive on the highways in a mobile evidence > carrier and you have a lesser expectation of privacy > because of it > > ------ > Horse shit! The analogy holds the same > for anyone simply walking down the streets > wearing big pants and flannel shirts....hmmm. not an analogy....simply one of the 6 exceptions to the search warrant requirement the most important one, as dave yates pointed out, is consent > Does speeding imply you have something to hide? nope....only that you're in a hurry/ you're careless/ you enjoy it. i don't know where this came from, but i thought our original discussion concerned a suspicious cop and a search request....not speeding > ------ > I'd like Mr. Gawthorps take on this > assessment. i saw it and he was dead on.... > if you don't want your vehicle searched, don't drive > it on the highways > > hey....i know it sucks. the key to excluding > evidence obtained is to show that there was no cause > for suspicion in the first place (saying 'no' to a > search is (imo) downright idiotic....so hide the > shit well, OK? ;) > > ----- > are we allowed to ask what the suspicion > is? i just realized that my statement seems to condone consent....yikes! that is not what i intended, especially considering that consent, if knowing, voluntary and intelligent (or something like that) will have the effect of overriding the exclusion of otherwise excludable evidence. i guess i would try to refuse without blatantly saying 'no, you may not' (or similar statement that would arouse more suspicion). my bet is that once a cop really suspects that there is contraband in the vehicle, he will be sure to jump through the proper hoops to get to it. what i intended to get across is that a refusal will be one ingredient in the mix of the totality of circumstances that a cop will evaluate in determining whether the proper suspicion standard has been met oh, i believe you are well within your right to ask what the suspicion is....but a cop is well within his right to avoid answering the question entirely -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 14:04:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FI45806722 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:03:44 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B873A@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Welder in Arlington? Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:54:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Anyone know a small job welder in Arlington? Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 15:11:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FJBc808281 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-46.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.174]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04651; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3999C15D.A6CB5A5D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:17:01 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX, Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR400 for sale WAS New to list References: <2f.941b82c.26cac2de@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The owner of the VFR400 for sale (and the RC-30s and 748) is Cole Howell. I don't know if he's subscribed to the list (I think so!), but his email is ckhowell@XXXXXX Chuck BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 8/15/00 11:48:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Randy.Moran@XXXXXX writes: > > > So the VFR400 is for sale, eh? Well, to > > whom does the RC30 belong? Is that for sale as well? > > Same guy - he's got three RC-30's, a 748, and the VFR400. He's willing to > deal on the VFR a little (I talked to him about it). I decided not to buy it > as the last thing in the world I need right now is another street bike (or > race bike, for that matter). It is really clean though, little over 18k Km > on the clock. > > I'm REALLY bad with names, so I can't come up with his at the moment... > really nice guy, rode his 748 with us on the ride previous to Laura's. > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 15:32:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FJWl808781 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13OmRC-0003Wh-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:31:50 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:32:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well obviously whoever is in charge of the DC-Cycles PR department has been sleeping at the switch. Good job! Don't change a thing ;). ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders Washington Post Interview! Hey, tomorrow Wednesday, August 16th the Washington Post would like to do a segment on DCSR. We'd like all of our members to come out to the Applebees in Forestville, Md. to be a part of this interview/photo shoot. We'll be meeting there at 7:45pm. See ya tomorrow! GC President DC Sportbike From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 15:45:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FJjQ809120 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id p.9c.682769c (4408); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:45:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9c.682769c.26caf7c6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:45:10 EDT Subject: Re: parking question To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 In a message dated 8/15/00 9:19:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: << OK, I f*&%ing work in this building and they are paying for a spot for me, so what's the difference if I park my bike or my cage? Who do I take this up with? has anyone fought this battle and won? If so, what did you say/do to make it happen? TIA. >> OK, to fight this you need to determine a couple of things. 1. Who owns the garage building(City, County, or private individual)? 2. Who has the franchise for operating the garage? 3. Who is the Owner/Manager of the Garage? If 1, 2 and 3 is government, go to your elected officials. If 1 is Govt and 2 and 3 are citizen contractors, ask to see the terms of the contract. Contact the city, county government if they refuse. If 1, 2, and 3 are private citizens, you are essentially screwed in the short term. If you are a member of a motorcycle rights organization, they can address the issue on a collective basis for you. One trick (long term) is when the garage owners go up for a renewal of their license, appear at the hearing and state your case. If this is in Maryland, let me know. ABATE will help you address the issue. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 15:47:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FJlR809140 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-46.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.174]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11336 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3999C9D8.4E27002A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:53:12 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Had to share Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Picked this up on alt.motorcycle.sportbike. Someone was plugging a new m/c website. http://www.bikersexchange.com Now, is that "bikers exchange" or "biker sex change"? You figure it out! %^) Chuck From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 16:12:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FKCd809693 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000815201231.16780.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.212] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:12:31 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:12:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) To: Hugh Caldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii if i were a member of Operation Rocket Roundup, i think i'd show up at the Applebees and get some tag numbers for future reference ;) honestly, though....what the hell good could this Post article bring? i smell ratshit --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > Well obviously whoever is in charge of the > DC-Cycles > PR department has been sleeping at the switch. Good > job! Don't change a thing ;). > > Subject: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders > > Washington Post Interview! > > Hey, tomorrow Wednesday, August 16th the Washington > Post would like to do a segment on DCSR. We'd like > all of our members to come out to the Applebees in > Forestville, Md. to be a part of this > interview/photo shoot. We'll be meeting there at > 7:45pm. See ya tomorrow! > > GC > President > DC Sportbike > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 16:22:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FKLs810037 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-46.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.174]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20791 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3999D1EA.FA727851@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:27:38 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) References: <20000815201231.16780.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit People should show up in t-shirts/tank tops, shorts, flip-flops/sneakers. Pull wheelies. Stoppies. Do burnouts. Maybe someone's R1/GSXR could get 'jacked during the interview. %^) Tom Gimer wrote: > > if i were a member of Operation Rocket Roundup, i > think i'd show up at the Applebees and get some tag > numbers for future reference ;) > > honestly, though....what the hell good could this Post > article bring? i smell ratshit > > --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > > > Well obviously whoever is in charge of the > > DC-Cycles > > PR department has been sleeping at the switch. Good > > job! Don't change a thing ;). > > > > Subject: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders > > > > Washington Post Interview! > > > > Hey, tomorrow Wednesday, August 16th the Washington > > Post would like to do a segment on DCSR. We'd like > > all of our members to come out to the Applebees in > > Forestville, Md. to be a part of this > > interview/photo shoot. We'll be meeting there at > > 7:45pm. See ya tomorrow! > > > > GC > > President > > DC Sportbike > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 16:37:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FKbI810799 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id p.7c.9add96b (4354); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:35:16 -0400 (EDT) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7c.9add96b.26cb0384@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:35:16 EDT Subject: 97 TL1000S idling problem fixed To: race@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Thanks to all who offered their ECUs for my disposal. However the problem has been fixed. It was bad gas............dohhhhh! From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 16:43:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FKhp810962 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008152043.e7FKhp810962@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.39.8dc6ae1 (15904) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web40.aolmail.aol.com (web40.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.1]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:43:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:43:29 EDT From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown >Hey, tomorrow Wednesday, August 16th the Washington >Post would like to do a segment on DCSR. This smells bad Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 16:44:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FKi0810982 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-46.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.174]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11128 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3999D718.41DC03C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:49:44 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: 97 TL1000S idling problem fixed References: <7c.9add96b.26cb0384@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My dog has the same problem from time to time! %^) GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX wrote: > > Thanks to all who offered their ECUs for my disposal. However the problem > has been fixed. It was bad gas............dohhhhh! From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 17:06:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FL6L811587 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA02182; Tue, 15 Aug 1972 17:11:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1972 17:11:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bikes for sale (not mine) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII FS: 1999 Kaw EX-500, 2500 mi, $3800. Contact Eric . FS 1976 KZ 650, about $800. Send email to me, I'll forward it to owner. Thanks. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 17:52:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from va03.247media.com ([206.57.34.27]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FLqt812371 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from va02.247media.com (va02 [192.168.128.12]) by va03.247media.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id QV1Y7BWB; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:52:30 -0400 Received: by va02 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:52:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wegerich, Frank" To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VA - 5 county run Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:52:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sure, I join how about next Saturday? -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 10:12 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VA - 5 county run I'm brand new to the list so I don't know what kind of rides (aside from really fast for some of you) the group likes. I've been exploring out Warrenton way after work. I haven't finished putting the route together but here it is so far. There are lots of curves and elevation change. Many with 15, 20 or 25mph limit signs. At a normal, reasonable pace they are not exceptionally difficult. Take it higher and you'll probably get a serious hit of fear. Then again I don't know the group dynamics and I've only been riding since July; 4000 miles to date. US 50, North up Snickersville Turnpike, 1 block west on RT 7, south on RT 601. East on US 50 for a light. South US 17. right onto rt 688. Cross I-66 and contine till US 211. Turn right, then left onto RT 229. Option 1: follow 229 to Culpeper (and likely food/gas) Option 2: Left onto Jeffersonian Road and take RT 802 to Warrenton or Opal or stay south for Remington, VA. Cross US 15 and head SouthEast on Sumerduck Road. Follow till it dead ends into US 17. From there you can go back to Manassas or continue SE to I-95 (Fredericksburg) and back to Alexandria/Springfield/DC. How about it? Anyone want to do this as a group ride sort of thing? theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 22:07:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com (web5201.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7G27N816379 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000816020715.23059.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.161] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:07:15 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:07:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: parking question To: LAURA GRANATO , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Laura- I have read cases where different chapters of ABATE have taken on the garages... The basic problem is that the gates to not have a mechanism to accomodate motorcyclists..either the motorcyle does not trip whatever device that prompts the gate to open or close -or- the safety device that keeps the gate from closing on a car does not recognize the profile of a motorcyclist and rakes them off a bike as you pull through... either way, the risk to motorcyclists creates a real liability/insurance problem for the garage owners, so they adopt a "no motorcycle" policy rather than accomodate the minority of motorcycle commuters (Now you understand why I wonder if motorcyclists should be added to a federally mandated "protected class" status much as the handicapped are or persons of different sexual orientation, single mothers, etc. It's no fun to be denied parking simply because of the vehicle you drive..remember my Dewey Beach dilemma at Starboard?) Okay..SOME motorcycle rights groups have been instrumental in getting the garages to make alterations to their equipment OR provide secure alternative parking in another area. You need to approach parking management(not the booth schmucks) and explain your dilemma.. if no satisfaction occurs - try a letter writing campaign... if still no satisfaction occurs.. There's a couple of fine publications out there; "The Anarchist's Cookbook" and "The Poor Man's James Bond" a few flips of the pages and I'm sure you can find an alternative source of satisfaction. Oh yeah, if you need more productive AND LEGAL documentation I could probably dig up a few links that demonstrate how past cases were handled. -Corbett --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > I know it's been discussed before, but I'm asking > again anyway...sorry! > > Got to work this morning and they are installing > parking gates for the garage where I work, and a > huge sticker on it saying "no motorcycles." OK, I > f*&%ing work in this building and they are paying > for a spot for me, so what's the difference if I > park my bike or my cage? > > Who do I take this up with? has anyone fought this > battle and won? If so, what did you say/do to make > it happen? TIA. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 23:53:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5204.mail.yahoo.com (web5204.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7G3r9817996 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000816035301.9129.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.161] by web5204.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:53:01 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:53:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) To: Chuck Pena , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chuck Pena wrote: > People should show up in t-shirts/tank tops, shorts, > flip-flops/sneakers. Pull wheelies. Stoppies. Do > burnouts. Maybe > someone's R1/GSXR could get 'jacked during the > interview. %^) OUCH! Chuck, you're SOOOO bad! You win the newly created and highly-coveted Smart-ass Of the Week award. Yes, the DC-Cycles SOW award. Competition is tough so enjoy your reign. -Corbett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 00:25:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7G4PP818454 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Jonman72@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.7d.91e4c46 (9624) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:25:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonman72@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7d.91e4c46.26cb71ab@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:25:15 EDT Subject: RR2 Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 111 I'm in.... 9/9 sounds good to me. Jonathan >>Laura wrote: Date: 14 Aug 2000 07:18:35 -0700 X-Sent: 14 Aug 2000 14:18:35 GMT Content-Disposition: inline To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Subject: RR2 anyone? Well, since I received so many requests for another ride like Saturday's relaxed ride, anyone up for RR2 on Saturday, September 9? We could do it the weekend before, but figure a lot of people will be vacationing for the long labor day weekend...any thoughts? Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 08:13:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GCDs826492 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from philp2350 (dyn54.c5200-1.springfield.236.crosslink.net [207.199.142.55]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id IAA22520 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:13:51 -0400 X-Really-To: Message-ID: <000e01c0077b$6aa76120$346dfea9@philp2350> From: "Phil Childress" To: Subject: Subject: Welder in Arlington, etc... Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:13:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Mark- My neighbor Emory Thompson has a welding shop in his garage and is the best welder I've ever met--retired as an aircraft welder. He lives in Annandale, on Montgomery street, phone number 703 354 5680. Careful on politics--he gives big discounts for Republicans, but may stick up Democrats. Kidding....maybe... %>) BTW- thanks to Laura, Chuck, Rob etc.. for putting together RR1 Saturday---I rode the Kaw KLR650 dirt/street combo, which I bought in February to go to Bike Week/Daytona with some friends (trailored down). Just getting back into biking after several years, but have owned 10 scooters/bikes altogether, and figure I spent 8 years riding only two wheeled vehicles, since my "Doodle-bug" for my paper route at age ten. (Bet no-one here remembers them!) I also rode on Chuck's "spirited" ride in June, which was a little too hot for me. Maybe next year! Phil Mark Kitchell wrote: >Anyone know a small job welder in Arlington? Thanks >Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 09:18:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GDIX828173 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-52.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.180]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07918; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399AC028.10889497@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:24:08 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Corbett B CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) References: <20000816035301.9129.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Word, MF! %^) It's a tough job, but someone's gotta do it! Corbett B wrote: > > OUCH! Chuck, you're SOOOO bad! > > You win the newly created and highly-coveted Smart-ass > Of the Week award. Yes, the DC-Cycles SOW award. > > Competition is tough so enjoy your reign. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 09:36:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7GDan828950 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000816133641.10381.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.171] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 06:36:41 PDT Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 06:36:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: parking question To: Corbett B , LAURA GRANATO , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Corbett B wrote: > Laura- > > I have read cases where different chapters of ABATE > have taken on the garages... > > The basic problem is that the gates to not have a > mechanism to accomodate motorcyclists..either the > motorcyle does not trip whatever device that prompts > the gate to open or close -or- the safety > device > that keeps the gate from closing on a car does not > recognize the profile of a motorcyclist and rakes > them > off a bike as you pull through... either way, the > risk to motorcyclists creates a real > liability/insurance problem for the garage owners, > so > they adopt a "no motorcycle" policy rather than > accomodate the minority of motorcycle commuters > > (Now you understand why I wonder if motorcyclists > should be added to a federally mandated "protected > class" status much as the handicapped are or persons > of different sexual orientation, single mothers, > etc. persons of different sexual orientation are not a protected class; neither are single mothers one big problem with these gate systems is that if they're owned and operated by private individuals, those private individuals can almost freely discriminate my only guess is that successful opponents to these private gates use the argument that these gates burden interstate commerce when viewed in the aggregate (?) from reading his prior posts, i'd bet bill gawthrop could enlighten us and point laura in the right direction.... i just go around or under the things > It's no fun to be denied parking simply because of > the vehicle you drive..remember my Dewey Beach > dilemma at Starboard?) i think so....did you follow up on it? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 09:41:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GDfq829022 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:40:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:40:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7GDft829023 My fiancM-ie was coming to pick me up the other day in the cage, and on her way she saw a bike pulled over by the cops on the beltway, with rider standing next to his bike yelling at the cop - who was still in his cruiser - at the top of his lungs. One small detail: the motorcyclist was wearing nothing but a pair of Speedos and some flip flops. Now that's taking squidlyness to a whole new level. Wasn't anyone on the list, was it? Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Corbett B [mailto:corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:53 PM To: Chuck Pena; DC Cycles Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) --- Chuck Pena wrote: > People should show up in t-shirts/tank tops, shorts, > flip-flops/sneakers. Pull wheelies. Stoppies. Do > burnouts. Maybe > someone's R1/GSXR could get 'jacked during the > interview. %^) OUCH! Chuck, you're SOOOO bad! You win the newly created and highly-coveted Smart-ass Of the Week award. Yes, the DC-Cycles SOW award. Competition is tough so enjoy your reign. -Corbett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 09:46:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (c008-h011.c008.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.200]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7GDjw829167 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 6281 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2000 06:45:49 -0700 Date: 16 Aug 2000 06:45:49 -0700 Message-ID: <20000816134549.6280.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 16 Aug 2000 13:45:49 GMT Received: from [216.233.216.162] by mail.surfree.com with HTTP; 16 Aug 2000 06:45:48 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: weekend ride We're a group of about 4-5 and we're planning on hitting 211/Skyline this Saturday. Specifically 55 at Gainesville, 647 south, 522, 211 west all the way out to Luray. We may putz around 211 all day or we can go anywhere else you'd like to check out. I'd say that the riders in our group are between high-beginners to low-intermediates. IOW, nobody can grind pegs or parts yet but we do take corners relatively fast. We're planning on meeting at the first Mcdonald's on the left (behind a gas station) after you take the Manassas Business exit on 66 between 10am-noon. Maybe earlier, maybe later, dunno yet. Drop me an email if you're interested. _____________________________________________________ The freedom to choose your own Internet access price. Surfree.com - got to be free http://www.surfree.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 09:57:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7GDvZ829321 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 24278 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2000 06:57:26 -0700 Date: 16 Aug 2000 06:57:26 -0700 Message-ID: <20000816135726.24277.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 16 Aug 2000 13:57:26 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 16 Aug 2000 06:57:26 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: Looking for a team... I was talking to Harry about updating the DC Cycles Web page to make it better, but haven't heard back from him after our initial conversations. Is anyone on the list Web savvy and want to help me put together a site that is functional and informational for DC Cycles to use (e.g., ride routes, pictures from bike nights/rides, info for newbies, etc.)? Maybe if it's good enough, Harry will let us link to it off of the DC Cycles page. Any volunteers to work with me? Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 09:57:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GDvs829331 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-52.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.180]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20377; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399AC967.DFAD6D33@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:03:35 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phil Childress CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Subject: Welder in Arlington, etc... References: <000e01c0077b$6aa76120$346dfea9@philp2350> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Phil, I NEVER exceed the speed limit. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! %^) Chuck Phil Childress wrote : > > I also rode on Chuck's "spirited" ride in June, which was a little too hot > for me. Maybe next year! From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 09:59:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GDxY829342 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-52.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.180]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA30454; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399AC937.3F3BF330@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:02:47 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX CC: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit She should've stopped and taken a pic or vid. Would make for great stuff in a m/c mag, especially one of the Brit mags. %^) Gotta love those sportbikers who seem to be creating an image for the rest of us ... NOT! eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > > My fiancM-ie was coming to pick me up the other day in the cage, and on her > way she saw a bike pulled over by the cops on the beltway, with rider > standing next to his bike yelling at the cop - who was still in his cruiser > - at the top of his lungs. One small detail: the motorcyclist was wearing > nothing but a pair of Speedos and some flip flops. Now that's taking > squidlyness to a whole new level. Wasn't anyone on the list, was it? From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 10:07:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GE78829498 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:06:51 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8759@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Corbett B'" , Chuck Pena , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:57:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Oh, Chuck outta win that every week.... Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Corbett B [SMTP:corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:53 PM > To: Chuck Pena; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) > > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > People should show up in t-shirts/tank tops, shorts, > > flip-flops/sneakers. Pull wheelies. Stoppies. Do > > burnouts. Maybe > > someone's R1/GSXR could get 'jacked during the > > interview. %^) > > OUCH! Chuck, you're SOOOO bad! > > You win the newly created and highly-coveted Smart-ass > Of the Week award. Yes, the DC-Cycles SOW award. > > Competition is tough so enjoy your reign. > > -Corbett > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 10:12:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GEC8829587 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA26268; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:07:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "LAURA GRANATO" , Subject: RE: Looking for a team... Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:11:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000816135726.24277.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Laura, I do that for a living. I'll be glad to help out. However, I will be out of town all next week so it'll have to be after that. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 6:57 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Looking for a team... I was talking to Harry about updating the DC Cycles Web page to make it better, but haven't heard back from him after our initial conversations. Is anyone on the list Web savvy and want to help me put together a site that is functional and informational for DC Cycles to use (e.g., ride routes, pictures from bike nights/rides, info for newbies, etc.)? Maybe if it's good enough, Harry will let us link to it off of the DC Cycles page. Any volunteers to work with me? Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 10:12:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GECv829597 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-52.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.180]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09434; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399ACC56.71BFC518@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:16:06 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'Corbett B'" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8759@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why, thank you! I resemble that remark. %^) Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Oh, Chuck outta win that every week.... > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Corbett B [SMTP:corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:53 PM > > To: Chuck Pena; DC Cycles > > Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) > > > > > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > > People should show up in t-shirts/tank tops, shorts, > > > flip-flops/sneakers. Pull wheelies. Stoppies. Do > > > burnouts. Maybe > > > someone's R1/GSXR could get 'jacked during the > > > interview. %^) > > > > OUCH! Chuck, you're SOOOO bad! > > > > You win the newly created and highly-coveted Smart-ass > > Of the Week award. Yes, the DC-Cycles SOW award. > > > > Competition is tough so enjoy your reign. > > > > -Corbett > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 10:45:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GEjW800487 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-52.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.180]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28332; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399AD47F.18D43A0D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:50:55 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.motorcycle.sportbike,rec.motorcycles To: DC Cycles , Suzuki Bikes , parr@XXXXXX Subject: Second August Bike Night - Sunday, 20th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a reminder that the second Bike Night in August is this Sunday, the 20th at CarPool (yes, I understand the irony of having a bike night at a place called CarPool) in Arlington, VA. 5pm to 9pm. All the details are on the website at http://www.geocities.com/bikenight Hope to see y'all there! Chuck, aka Skittles, aka Shooter '93 GSXR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 11:16:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GFGu801227 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7GFGgU16401 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:16:42 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: Cross post Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:15:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c00794$cfdb8bc0$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 >From the CBR list, I am curious to hear responses from any legal experts. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA > " Everybody is somebody else's weirdo." Subject: Re: [cbr] heresy Part Deux At 09:06 PM 8/15/2000, Joe Tassone said something to the effect of: >Carlos, >Could you please elaborate on how you can register a vehicle out of >country. New, street legal, 2 strokes will be giving me wonderful dreams >tonight. I arrange it through a company in the Turks & Caicos. I have a trust, bank account, and registration based there. It is not something you enter into lightly, but it does give you some awesome benefits. For one, the plates are untraceable. My license can't have any points put on it, no matter how many tickets I get. You have to be aware of the laws on registration, and how to tell the cops the right things to avoid a failure to register ticket. I got one once, and when I mailed in my foreign stuff I got a dismissal in the mail, no problem. I think the cost to arrange the registration only is about $300 for five years. Still MUCH cheaper than registration for a new bike (my XX would have been $220 for the FIRST year only). They don't care what the vehicle is, and of course there are no smog test requirements or any stupid shit like that. The vehicle is placed into a trust, and you are given registration and lease papers, along with a pre-signed transfer back out of the trust. You are "leasing" it from the trust, so you cannot be forced to get local registration since the trust legally owns it. Also the pigs can't steal the bike under some of their confiscation programs, since again, you do not own the bike. The trust does. I also don't pay any income taxes and I move most of my funds through an off-shore account, but that's off-topic and vastly more complicated... -- Carlos Alvarez, Tucson, AZ, USA, Earth, Sol System, Milky Way Galaxy http://www.CBR1100XX.org "At 180 MPH, you have no friends..." From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 11:57:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GFvp801845 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008161557.e7GFvp801845@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from Dsotm60273@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.e8.8abdd07 (15904); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web48.aolmail.aol.com (web48.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.9]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:57:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:57:40 EDT From: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cross post To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown I'm no legal expert, but how does this avoid points on the license? If you get bagged for speeding, the cop gets your license number and registration number. Its still going to add points to the license no matter what, right? In a message dated Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:19:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Cedric Bernescut" writes: << From the CBR list, I am curious to hear responses from any legal experts. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA > " Everybody is somebody else's weirdo." Subject: Re: [cbr] heresy Part Deux At 09:06 PM 8/15/2000, Joe Tassone said something to the effect of: >Carlos, >Could you please elaborate on how you can register a vehicle out of >country. New, street legal, 2 strokes will be giving me wonderful dreams >tonight. I arrange it through a company in the Turks & Caicos. I have a trust, bank account, and registration based there. It is not something you enter into lightly, but it does give you some awesome benefits. For one, the plates are untraceable. My license can't have any points put on it, no matter how many tickets I get. You have to be aware of the laws on registration, and how to tell the cops the right things to avoid a failure to register ticket. I got one once, and when I mailed in my foreign stuff I got a dismissal in the mail, no problem. I think the cost to arrange the registration only is about $300 for five years. Still MUCH cheaper than registration for a new bike (my XX would have been $220 for the FIRST year only). They don't care what the vehicle is, and of course there are no smog test requirements or any stupid shit like that. The vehicle is placed into a trust, and you are given registration and lease papers, along with a pre-signed transfer back out of the trust. You are "leasing" it from the trust, so you cannot be forced to get local registration since the trust legally owns it. Also the pigs can't steal the bike under some of their confiscation programs, since again, you do not own the bike. The trust does. I also don't pay any income taxes and I move most of my funds through an off-shore account, but that's off-topic and vastly more complicated... -- Carlos Alvarez, Tucson, AZ, USA, Earth, Sol System, Milky Way Galaxy http://www.CBR1100XX.org "At 180 MPH, you have no friends..." >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 12:06:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7GG6L802010 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000816160613.21238.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.171] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:06:13 PDT Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:06:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Cross post To: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i guess this jackass is also pretending to be a furriner in addition to defrauding the government in other ways and since he likes to open up that mouth of his, my bet is that he'll be tossin' salads in the pen before too long --- Dsotm60273@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm no legal expert, but how does this avoid points > on the license? If you get bagged for speeding, the > cop gets your license number and registration > number. Its still going to add points to the > license no matter what, right? > > > In a message dated Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:19:33 AM > Eastern Daylight Time, "Cedric Bernescut" > writes: > > << From the CBR list, I am curious to hear responses > from any legal experts. > Cedric > 1996 CBR600F3 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > > " Everybody is somebody else's weirdo." > Subject: Re: [cbr] heresy Part Deux > > > At 09:06 PM 8/15/2000, Joe Tassone said something to > the effect of: > > >Carlos, > >Could you please elaborate on how you can register > a vehicle out of > >country. New, street legal, 2 strokes will be > giving me wonderful dreams > >tonight. > > I arrange it through a company in the Turks & > Caicos. I have a trust, bank > account, and registration based there. It is not > something you enter into > lightly, but it does give you some awesome benefits. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 12:07:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com ([204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7GG7v802020 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:03:55 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:03:01 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: WVA? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7GG7x802021 Has anyone ridden into West Va lately? I am planing on taking a 2-3 day mc trip during labor day weekend. Looking at a map I will probably go into the Canaan Valley area. From the map I have rt 72 looks like the twistyist road I have ever seen on a map. Does anyone have any recommendations about where to ride, stay, eat? Thanks. George George M Cole Senior Account Manager Boise Technology www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 410 796-0714 CUSTOMER SERVICE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM 1-800-525-9500 FAX 1-800-952-9084 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 12:19:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7GGJh802189 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000816161936.558.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.11.25] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:19:36 PDT Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:19:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Mason Dixon 20-20, 2001 To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Announcing the 2001 Mason Dixon 20-20, May 26-27. Consider it a giant 30 hour scavenger hunt, and an "easy" way to earn your spot in the Iron Butt Association. The MD 20-20 is a formal Long Distance event, but riders of all levels are encouraged to participate. All brands, styles, and models of motorcycles are eligible. Your entry fee will cover Friday Dinner, Sunday Banquet and all Rally Goodies. Based out of York, PA, the MD 20-20 will feature some of the best the Appalachians have to offer. Lodging is available conveniently nearby. Ever wonder how to get that "World's Toughest Motorcyclists" license plate frame; this is your chance to earn it- don't pass it up. More Rally Details can be found at: http://MD-20-20.tripod.com. Registration opens December 1. To benefit the Johns Hopkins Children's Center. ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 http://MD-20-20.tripod.com Home Page: http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 12:35:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GGZP802490 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-238-21.s21.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.238.21]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13P69y-0004Un-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:35:22 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cross post Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:41:01 GMT Message-ID: <399aedc7.225916749@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000816160613.21238.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000816160613.21238.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7GGZV802491 |>i guess this jackass is also pretending to be a |>furriner in addition to defrauding the government in |>other ways |> |>and since he likes to open up that mouth of his, my |>bet is that he'll be tossin' salads in the pen before |>too long Sounds more likely he's just an internet pretender... I was on the phone with this girl "I'm in a chat room.. for the marines based in southern va... hmm how old do i want to be today.. how tall do I want to be.. what do i wnat to look like" and she told them she was in the marines stationed there... I was LMAO about all that she was doing to get her kicks.. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 15:03:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7GJ3U804873 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 12409 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2000 12:02:48 -0700 Date: 16 Aug 2000 12:02:48 -0700 Message-ID: <20000816190248.12408.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 16 Aug 2000 19:02:48 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 16 Aug 2000 12:02:48 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: next question i've got a pretty good team of people who want to help build a new site, so the question is: What would you like to see on the Web site once it's built? e.g., pictures, ride routes, upcoming events, etc. Please send me suggestions. Thanks much! :-) Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 15:19:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7GJIs805413 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7377 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2000 19:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.36.153.179) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2000 19:18:31 -0000 Message-ID: <399AE8D8.89F085CF@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:17:44 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: next question References: <20000816190248.12408.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > What would you like to see on the Web site once it's built? Route sheets would be great. I've got a couple to submit. So would a simple listing of good area roads, in VA, MD, and DC. The list of motorcycle parking spots in DC would be cool, as well. A links page to *good* area dealers, and maybe dealers to avoid... Best of luck! Can't wait to see the results. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 15:28:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3104.mail.yahoo.com (web3104.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.189]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7GJSH805771 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000816192808.10736.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3104.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:28:08 PDT Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:28:08 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: next question To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > What would you like to see on the Web site once it's built? > > Route sheets would be great. I've got a couple to > submit. So would a simple listing of good area roads, > in VA, MD, and DC. If you want digital maps of the route sheets let me know I can put them together. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 16:07:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GK74806468 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bernie.excite.com ([199.172.148.157]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000816200651.BOCH7625.ewey.excite.com@XXXXXX>; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:06:51 -0700 Message-ID: <29813014.966456411504.JavaMail.imail@bernie.excite.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:06:51 -0700 (PDT) From: rick osborn Reply-To: To: Dale Horstman , LAURA GRANATO Subject: Re: next question Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.123.142.226 motorcycle hang outs like dcsports.com did? On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:17:44 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: | LAURA GRANATO wrote: | | > What would you like to see on the Web site once it's built? | | Route sheets would be great. I've got a couple to | submit. So would a simple listing of good area roads, | in VA, MD, and DC. | | The list of motorcycle parking spots in DC would be | cool, as well. | | A links page to *good* area dealers, and maybe dealers | to avoid... | | Best of luck! Can't wait to see the results. | | Horkster | | -- | Dale Horstman (the Horkster) | horkster@XXXXXX | Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth | | 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer | 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi ___________________________________________ rick osborn 703.628.2064 (cell) rick_s_osborn@XXXXXX (mobile/desktop email) rsosborn@XXXXXX (alphanumeric pages) _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 16:44:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GKiX807251 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-238-21.s21.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.238.21]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13PA35-000600-00; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:44:31 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: next question Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:50:12 GMT Message-ID: <399b287e.240949744@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000816190248.12408.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> In-Reply-To: <20000816190248.12408.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7GKie807252 Riders bio's! history of bikes they had, milage, years, and accidents! that would be cool. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 17:04:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gigi.excite.com (gigi.excite.com [199.172.152.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GL43807692 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000816210349.PJW1236.gigi.excite.com@prickles> for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:03:49 -0700 Message-ID: <14207946.966459829829.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:03:49 -0700 (PDT) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sun. Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 Is anybody planning a Sunday ride? (ending possibly at Bike nite). I for once don't have anything going on. Sorry Laura, last weekend I couldn't make it because I went to the bachelor party for a guy who's getting married on Sept. 9th. doh! _______________________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you. James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 17:06:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GL6m807777 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-212-170.s424.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.212.170] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13PAOZ-0001rJ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:06:46 -0400 Message-ID: <017501c007c5$4c3b99a0$a3d43ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <20000816190248.12408.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: next question Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:01:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Maybe a motorcycle law FAQ (lane sharing statutes, parking regs., licensing, endorsements, learner's permits, etc.) on each jurisdiction (DC,VA,MD), tips on court appearances, lists of motorcycle-friendly attorneys, etc. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: LAURA GRANATO To: Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 3:02 PM Subject: next question > i've got a pretty good team of people who want to help build a new site, so the question is: > > What would you like to see on the Web site once it's built? > > e.g., pictures, ride routes, upcoming events, etc. > > Please send me suggestions. Thanks much! :-) > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 17:11:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GLBJ807820 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:10:49 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8786@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'James Hoofnagle'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sun. Ride Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:01:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I think a pre-Bike Night ride would be a great idea.....that way it wouldn't have to start really early... Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: James Hoofnagle [SMTP:Culimerc@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 5:04 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Sun. Ride > > Is anybody planning a Sunday ride? (ending possibly at Bike nite). > I for once don't have anything going on. Sorry Laura, last weekend I > couldn't make it because I went to the bachelor party for a guy who's > getting married on Sept. 9th. doh! > _______________________ > They can't hit you, > if they can't catch you. > > James > E-TKT > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 17:47:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GLla808700 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13PB1U-00066q-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:46:56 -0700 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:47:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 82 750 Seca for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A coworker is selling one of his bikes. Please contact him if you would like more information. ------------------------------------------------- Hi folks, I must offer with deep sadness for sale my '82 Seca. It has become my second bike, and I cannot maintain two. I would like 800$US or best offer. I live in Reston, Virginia, USA. For those of you living in the USA, I also offer a tax break by how I wish to be paid. Part of the payment would be made directly to me, but at least 200$US of it would be in the form of a check to the National Multiple Sclerosis Society (Blue Ridge Chapter). I need the donation for the MS 150 this September. In addition to the bike proper, you also will get: o An outside cover that currently covers the bike now; o A seat that can be recovered (the new one is on it); o A set of 4-into-1 OEM from a fellow lister (still in the box); o A Yamaha factory manual; and, o A Haynes manual. This is an all-or-nothing deal, I will only convey the title. You can reach me during the day by e-mail or phone. Mike Jay (the Dixie spanner spinner) mjay@XXXXXX 703-904-3258 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 17:48:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7GLmT808710 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Wed Aug 16 14:47:59 2000 To: "dc cycles" Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:47:59 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: next question X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:01:43 Paul A. Wilson wrote: >Maybe a motorcycle law FAQ (lane sharing statutes, parking regs., licensing, >endorsements, learner's permits, etc.) on each jurisdiction (DC,VA,MD), tips >on court appearances, lists of motorcycle-friendly attorneys, etc. I'll heartily second that motion. Being a new member I missed out on all the lane-splitting debate. And to think I've been splitting lanes a couple of time. Even in front of a Fairfax county cop and getting away with it. It's not exactly a topic that comes up in the handbook every day... theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 19:09:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GN9I810626 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-225-227.s481.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.225.227] helo=twincam) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13PCJ6-0001Gb-00; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:09:13 -0400 Message-ID: <008501c007d7$781fffe0$e3e1a4d8@twincam> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "DC-Cycles" References: <20000816161936.558.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Mason Dixon 20-20, 2001 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:12:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I maintain the web page for ABATE of Maryland. I added this link to the web site under non-ABATE events. Kathleen Loerich http://www.abate-of-maryland.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Louis F. Caplan To: DC-Cycles Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 12:19 Subject: Mason Dixon 20-20, 2001 > > Announcing the 2001 Mason Dixon 20-20, May 26-27. > > Consider it a giant 30 hour scavenger hunt, and an "easy" way to earn your spot > in the Iron Butt Association. > > The MD 20-20 is a formal Long Distance event, but riders of all levels are > encouraged to participate. All brands, styles, and models of motorcycles > are eligible. > > Your entry fee will cover Friday Dinner, Sunday Banquet and all Rally Goodies. > > Based out of York, PA, the MD 20-20 will feature some of the best the > Appalachians have to offer. Lodging is available conveniently nearby. Ever > wonder how to get that "World's Toughest Motorcyclists" license plate frame; > this is your chance to earn it- don't pass it up. More Rally Details can be > found at: http://MD-20-20.tripod.com. > > Registration opens December 1. > > To benefit the Johns Hopkins Children's Center. > > > ===== > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours > Alexandria, VA > Co-Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 http://MD-20-20.tripod.com > Home Page: http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 21:17:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1b.mail.yahoo.com (smtp3.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.135]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7H1HN813486 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sp4-1-242.mgfairfax.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.163.122.242) by smtp3.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2000 01:17:19 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Lin_Tan" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: FW: parking question Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:17:19 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c007e8$e35b6a40$f27aa318@ltanner.cox.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal I did get hit by one of these things. You have to watch them. Sometimes they go up when the bike triggers them and then go immediately back down. That's what happened to me. I bitched at the security guards and threatened them as it hit me in the head and then went behind me (thank God) and their reaction was to threaten to ban motorcycles from the garage. They then decided to shorten the gate a little on one of the exits and mark it for motorcycles. If it came down I could still dodge it. That worked. LindaT. Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ BryanRoach@XXXXXX said: Folks... the "no motorcycles" thing on gates is a pure CYA on the gate manufacturer's part. At AOL, we have these gates at every entrance to the compound... my bike goes under them just fine. Same deal at pentagon city - the only lot for the mall is gated in the same way. I've never had a problem with parking gates in my 12 years of riding. (Of course, typing this means I'll get whomped today on my way through) Just duck and hit the gas if you happen to see something big, wooden, and orange headed toward your head... :) - Roach _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 21:38:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7H1cX813823 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.228.173.Washington1.Level3.net [209.244.228.173]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA06398; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: , "Dale Horstman" , "LAURA GRANATO" Cc: Subject: RE: next question Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:30:26 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c007ea$b8c16e40$ade4f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <29813014.966456411504.JavaMail.imail@bernie.excite.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal How about a way to post messages similar to that yahoo club that you all hate so much. Its a lot easier to just check in whenever rather than on days like today where I have to sort through 253 messages from the past couple days, and then unsubscribe while I'm out for the next week. -----Original Message----- From: rick osborn [mailto:rick_s_osborn@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 4:07 PM To: Dale Horstman; LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: next question motorcycle hang outs like dcsports.com did? On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:17:44 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: | LAURA GRANATO wrote: | | > What would you like to see on the Web site once it's built? | | Route sheets would be great. I've got a couple to | submit. So would a simple listing of good area roads, | in VA, MD, and DC. | | The list of motorcycle parking spots in DC would be | cool, as well. | | A links page to *good* area dealers, and maybe dealers | to avoid... | | Best of luck! Can't wait to see the results. | | Horkster | | -- | Dale Horstman (the Horkster) | horkster@XXXXXX | Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth | | 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer | 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi ___________________________________________ rick osborn 703.628.2064 (cell) rick_s_osborn@XXXXXX (mobile/desktop email) rsosborn@XXXXXX (alphanumeric pages) _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 21:40:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7H1em813836 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.228.173.Washington1.Level3.net [209.244.228.173]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA13148; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Chuck Pena" , "Mark Kitchell" Cc: "'Corbett B'" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:32:37 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c007eb$06828560$ade4f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <399ACC56.71BFC518@ix.netcom.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Glad you think getting your bike jacked is so funny. Hopefully it won't happen to you cuz you'd die laughing, huh. The other stuff, sounds like someones a little jealous of people who can pull off those moves! -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 1:16 PM To: Mark Kitchell Cc: 'Corbett B'; DC Cycles Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Why, thank you! I resemble that remark. %^) Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Oh, Chuck outta win that every week.... > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Corbett B [SMTP:corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:53 PM > > To: Chuck Pena; DC Cycles > > Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) > > > > > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > > People should show up in t-shirts/tank tops, shorts, > > > flip-flops/sneakers. Pull wheelies. Stoppies. Do > > > burnouts. Maybe > > > someone's R1/GSXR could get 'jacked during the > > > interview. %^) > > > > OUCH! Chuck, you're SOOOO bad! > > > > You win the newly created and highly-coveted Smart-ass > > Of the Week award. Yes, the DC-Cycles SOW award. > > > > Competition is tough so enjoy your reign. > > > > -Corbett > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 06:41:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HAfk823176 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 06:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id r.f7.1f1bf83 (6398); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 06:41:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 06:41:30 EDT Subject: parking question To: ljtanner@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 In a message dated 8/16/00 9:19:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ljtanner@XXXXXX writes: << I bitched at the security guards and threatened them as it hit me in the head and then went behind me (thank God) and their reaction was to threaten to ban motorcycles from the garage >> Its easy to understand both sides here. Question. Why is the gate coming down faster, sooner on bikes and not on cars? Or, conversely, why are bikes so slow to get thru? Ultimately, the problem is going to revolve around these two questions. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 08:13:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HCDO824661 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:13:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Calling Maryland Flashers Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:13:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Instead of whining to you all, for additional entertainment value, I e-mailed the letter below to both my state Senator and Delegate on August 4 Contact info: http://archive2.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/who_reps/html/legmaps.html And received a letter from my State Senator (dated 8 Aug but mailed 15 Aug) with copies of letters he sent to the MDV and State Police. The letter to the MDV passed my recommendation about education drivers renewing their licenses. His letter to the State Police said, " "I receive the enclosed letter from my constituent . . . recommends a change in Maryland law that would require motorists to yield to other drivers who indicate their desire to pass by flashing their headlights. I would appreciate your recommendation as to whether this change is desirable from a law-enforcement and safety point of view. . . ." Being a pointy-headed bureaucrat myself, I know how to resist change suggested by one letter. But I also know the power of several letters - especially those that come through legislative representatives. If you agree that LLBs should yield to a courteous request indicated by flashing headlights (maybe add that courtesy includes using turnsignals. . . .) then please contact your legislative representatives (see URL above) and let them know your opinion. Be patient, change takes years and continuous pressure. If you disagree . . . well, come the revolution 8^> My letter: Last Monday's a comment in Dr. Gridlock's (Washington Post July 31) article took me by surprise. The article was in regard to driving in the left lane, and that in Virginia those in the left lane were supposed to yield to faster drivers who indicated their desire to pass by flashing lights or honking. The comment was, "In Maryland, just the opposite applies. You don't have to move over to accommodate an overtaking motorist. In fact, if the trailing motorist flashes his bright lights within 300 feet of your rear bumper, he can be hit with a $40 ticket." I am appalled and hope this is an ancient Maryland rule, not a recent one. I urge you to propose a change in this rule to one similar to Virginia -- and the rest of the civilized world. The rationale for my request is as follows: *Giving faster drivers -- even speeders -- the left lane keeps them away from the slower merging and exiting lanes. *Yielding to faster drivers is both a custom, a courtesy, and a foundation for polite driving behavior -- which as you know seems to becoming less common. *Passing on the left is safer than passing on the right as the passer traverses a smaller blind spot. Thus, requiring slow drivers in the left lane to yield to faster drivers would promote public safety. Plus, recognition that flashing high beams is (should be) a courteous request to pass, not a rude gesture, as some less sophisticated appear to believe. If you've had the opportunity to drive in Germany you already know how well this rule works in promoting courteous driving. In fact, you need not go overseas as you'll see similar behavior in the rural areas of Texas, Tennessee, Ohio, West Virginia, and Virginia. I learned to drive in Texas, in the late 50's, before Interstates. I was taught that flashing high beams to indicate the desire to pass was both a custom and considered a courteous gesture. The response was to flash your high beams to indicate that the road is clear -- or even -- to pull over on the shoulder to let the other vehicle by. And yes, you'll still see some drivers exercising that courtesy in Texas. Thus, reading that flashing high beams to indicate a wish to pass is illegal in Maryland is contrary to what I've experienced in over 30 years of driving. Simply amending a rule is not enough. Maryland must do a better job of educating drivers of both new and old rules. For example. two years ago, Maryland implemented the rule that drivers should turn on their head lights with their windshield wipers. Recently, I did an ad hoc survey in Bethesda during an afternoon rain: Out of 73 automobiles with Maryland plates, that drove down Bradley Blvd, 17 did not have their headlights on. Because I customarily commute on a motorcycle, it gives me the opportunity to easily chat with drivers. Often, when I point out that headlights should be turned on, the driver is unaware of such a rule -- or feigning ignorance. One easily implemented action would be to require a short written test when one renews their license every four years. It needn't be as elaborate as the original test; simply have people pick up a pamphlet outlining the new rules, and perhaps frequently broken rules. Then have a multiple choice test on the back that people can fill out while waiting in line. Thus, people have both the questions and the answers. The examiner asks one of the questions, and if the answer is correct, it's an indication the applicant probably has read the pamphlet. I look forward to your views. Carl S. Custer 8605 Hartsdale Ave. Bethesda, MD 20817-3619 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 08:40:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HCem825058 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id HAA01971 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:40:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id HAA01967 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:40:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA14267 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000817084136.00a3ad90@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:42:02 -0400 To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Motorcyclist Killed in VA In-Reply-To: <001b01c007e8$e35b6a40$f27aa318@ltanner.cox.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From another list: A 24-year-old man was killed early yesterday when his motorcycle went out of control on Lee Highway in Arlington and hit a trash can and a street sign, police said. Craig R. Mooney was traveling east on Lee Highway, past Culpeper Street, about 12:40 a.m. when he crashed in the 4800 block, police said. Officers parked nearby heard the motorcycle strike the trash can and sign in front of Langston School, they said. Mooney, who lived in the 4200 block of North 11th Street in Arlington, was pronounced dead at Arlington Hospital. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 09:57:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HDvI826377 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:57:04 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B878F@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'vtrman@XXXXXX'" , Chuck Pena , Mark Kitchell Cc: "'Corbett B'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:47:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Bull Shit. Chuck is too smart to be jealous of such stunts. Plus, I know if anyone tried to 'jack Chuck's bike they would be looking down a cold steel barrel (mine or his). Ha ha Big Matt > -----Original Message----- > From: Big Matty [SMTP:vtrman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 9:33 PM > To: Chuck Pena; Mark Kitchell > Cc: 'Corbett B'; DC Cycles > Subject: RE: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) > > Glad you think getting your bike jacked is so funny. Hopefully it won't > happen to you cuz you'd die laughing, huh. The other stuff, sounds like > someones a little jealous of people who can pull off those moves! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 1:16 PM > To: Mark Kitchell > Cc: 'Corbett B'; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) > > > Why, thank you! I resemble that remark. %^) > > Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > > Oh, Chuck outta win that every week.... > > > > Mark > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Corbett B [SMTP:corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:53 PM > > > To: Chuck Pena; DC Cycles > > > Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) > > > > > > > > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > People should show up in t-shirts/tank tops, shorts, > > > > flip-flops/sneakers. Pull wheelies. Stoppies. Do > > > > burnouts. Maybe > > > > someone's R1/GSXR could get 'jacked during the > > > > interview. %^) > > > > > > OUCH! Chuck, you're SOOOO bad! > > > > > > You win the newly created and highly-coveted Smart-ass > > > Of the Week award. Yes, the DC-Cycles SOW award. > > > > > > Competition is tough so enjoy your reign. > > > > > > -Corbett > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 10:12:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HECT826616 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-23.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.215]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06857; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399C1E4E.C33BEE29@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:18:06 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vtrman@XXXXXX CC: Mark Kitchell , "'Corbett B'" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) References: <001201c007eb$06828560$ade4f4d1@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Matt, lighten up! We're just having some fun. And yes, I am jealous of people who can pull wheelies and stoppies! As for getting a m/c 'jacked, consider the source of the original posting and when/where it took place. Chuck Big Matty wrote: > > Glad you think getting your bike jacked is so funny. Hopefully it won't > happen to you cuz you'd die laughing, huh. The other stuff, sounds like > someones a little jealous of people who can pull off those moves! From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 10:14:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web219.mail.yahoo.com (web219.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.119]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7HEEa826638 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18807 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Aug 2000 14:14:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20000817141433.18806.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [146.135.27.10] by web219.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:14:33 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:14:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Linda Tanner Subject: Re: parking question To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wasn't moving slowly, the gate just came down prematurely. They tweaked the sensor and installed a motorcycle lane on a gate with a shortened arm and no further problems were encountered. I just atarted a new job where I'm supposed to card in to the garage to get the gate to go up. The arm is short enough so I just rode around it. No guards came at me shooting, so I may continue to do this. Yes, I have the card to get in, but I don't want to hassle with it or hold up the folks behind me. I can't even slip in with one of them as the gate is too fast. We'll see how this one goes... Linda T. --- Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/16/00 9:19:44 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > ljtanner@XXXXXX writes: > > << I bitched at the security guards and threatened > them as it hit me in the head and then went behind > me (thank God) and their > reaction was to threaten to ban motorcycles from > the garage >> > > Its easy to understand both sides here. > > Question. Why is the gate coming down faster, > sooner on bikes and not on > cars? > Or, conversely, why are bikes so slow to get thru? > > Ultimately, the problem is going to revolve around > these two questions. > > > Bill Gawthrop > Maryland > > "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I > shall defend, to the > death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 10:18:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HEI8826729 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id u.6f.94c8d8a (3967); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:17:49 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6f.94c8d8a.26cd4e0c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:17:48 EDT Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 8/17/00 10:13:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > And yes, I am > jealous of people who can pull wheelies and stoppies! Hmm. Interesting, I'm not. The only time I do either is by mistake. I'm not jealous of anyone who has to try to recreate my errors ;) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 10:33:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HEXF826993 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-23.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.215]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20985; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399C2312.D4333050@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:38:26 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) References: <6f.94c8d8a.26cd4e0c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guess I just have the Brit mag journo/squid lurking inside my otherwise respectable facade! %^) BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 8/17/00 10:13:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > > And yes, I am > > jealous of people who can pull wheelies and stoppies! > > Hmm. Interesting, I'm not. The only time I do either is by mistake. > I'm not jealous of anyone who has to try to recreate my errors ;) > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 10:37:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HEbm827082 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7HEbjb24329 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:37:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) In-Reply-To: <399C2312.D4333050@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > And yes, I am > > jealous of people who can pull wheelies and stoppies! > > Hmm. Interesting, I'm not. The only time I do either is by mistake. > I'm not jealous of anyone who has to try to recreate my errors ;) I'm normally not jealous either. However, a couple weeks ago I was riding with a guy who could keep the front end up seemingly forever, including through corners. I thought THAT was pretty cool... :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 11:16:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com ([204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7HFGG827733 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:12:47 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:11:57 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: RE: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7HFGb827734 I have never been jealous of riders who can do wheelies, stoppies or burnouts, in fact when I first started riding that's what I lived for, but that was in 1982, I was 18 and still in High School. I would like to think I am little more mature now. This type of stunt riding on public roads and in traffic, probably has a little to do with Operation Road Rocket. Since I live in MD and ride a Yellow VFR, I have to be extra careful. My neighbors ( who must love Channel 4 news ) just frown at me when I ride buy. I still enjoy an occasional wheelie, usually coming over a rise on a county road. Stoppies,? I have never tried or intend to, I like my fairings to much. Burnouts? I prefer to wear my tyres out from cornering hard. George 00 Honda Road Rocket Special VFR with 180 MPH police evasion package. George M Cole Senior Account Manager Boise Technology www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 410 796-0714 CUSTOMER SERVICE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM 1-800-525-9500 FAX 1-800-952-9084 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 11:30:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HFU8827974 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id r.2b.99672b6 (6398); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:29:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <2b.99672b6.26cd5edf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:29:35 EDT Subject: Re: parking question To: ljtanner@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 In a message dated 8/17/00 10:16:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ljtanner@XXXXXX writes: << The arm is short enough so I just rode around it. No guards came at me shooting, so I may continue to do this. >> Actually, this may contribute to the problem. Some garage owners cite motorcyclists slipping in and out without paying as the basis for their "no motorcycle" policy. Consider the impact of video footage of a rider skirting the gate on a bike and trying to counter that in a hearing... Even though we may have a monthly pass, we give the appearance of cheating and that eventually comes back to haunt us. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 11:30:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HFUT827984 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-23.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.215]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04789; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399C309A.D347B4F1@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:36:10 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Cole CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, > that was in 1982, I was 18 and still in High School. I would like to think I > am little more mature now. You're not fooling anybody. You're not! So stop kidding yourself! %^) > VFR, I have to be extra careful. My neighbors ( who must love Channel 4 news > ) just frown at me when I ride buy. As well they should, racer boy! %^) > 00 Honda Road Rocket Special VFR with 180 MPH police evasion package. You mean the black stealth material fairings you keep hidden away in your garage??? Plus the hidden radar jammer??? %^) Chuck From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 11:40:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HFeK828125 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-73-49.s49.tnt1.man.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.73.49] helo=bigfoot.com) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13PRmD-0002hT-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:40:18 -0400 Message-ID: <399C06A6.450850BD@bigfoot.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:37:10 -0400 From: vulgar_power X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'DCCy'" Subject: Re: Calling Maryland Flashers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit actually, flashing your headlights as an indication of "i'm moving faster, get outta the way" is illegal in germany. our, at least let me say that it was shortly after i started my stay there ('92-'96). instead it is acceptable to use your left turn signal to indicate a desire to pass. but then again, the whole driving structure in germany (europe) is completely different. in order to get you license you must know a rule book that is at least the size of a 1" thick telephone book. secondly, it's not cheap. around 2k germany marks if i remember right. yeah it sounds like a lot of work, but once you've driven in their system, and seen the order of it, you can understand why they can have sections of the interstate that don't have an enforced speed limit, just a suggestion. until our driving test are more than 20 question multiple choice test, we as a whole, will continue to be frustrated on our roads. -jay "Custer, Carl" wrote: > > If you've had the opportunity to drive in Germany you already know how well > this rule works in promoting courteous driving. In fact, you need not go > overseas as you'll see similar behavior in the rural areas of Texas, > Tennessee, Ohio, West Virginia, and Virginia. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 11:52:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com ([204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7HFqg828374 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:49:27 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:48:30 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7HFqp828375 >>> Chuck Pena 08/17/00 02:36PM >>> George, > that was in 1982, I was 18 and still in High School. I would like to think I > am little more mature now. You're not fooling anybody. You're not! So stop kidding yourself! %^) Ok, fine, can I get back to reading my comic books now? > VFR, I have to be extra careful. My neighbors ( who must love Channel 4 news > ) just frown at me when I ride buy. As well they should, racer boy! %^) That would be racer Man to you sir. > 00 Honda Road Rocket Special VFR with 180 MPH police evasion package. You mean the black stealth material fairings you keep hidden away in your garage??? Plus the hidden radar jammer??? %^) And don't forget the Bike to Air Anti-police helicopter missile. On a side note I know a MD state police heli pilot, he's a nice guy. I should give him my tag number so they won't pursue me. George ( Racer Man ) 00 VFR RRS. Chuck From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 12:04:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3106.mail.yahoo.com (web3106.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.191]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7HG4R828586 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000817160419.20838.qmail@web3106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3106.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:04:19 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:04:19 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: Calling Maryland Flashers To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > and that in Virginia those in the left lane were supposed to yield to > faster > drivers who indicated their desire to pass by flashing lights or > honking. while in general I agree that the person should move over, and I do, there is one time when I don't. I used to travel, and will again, from Frederick to Silver Spring by 270 in the HOV lane. the HOV on 270 is right next to the rest of 270 and not split off. I've had it happen to me plenty of times when the normal lanes are stopped I'm not getting out the the way and trying to fight my way into the stopped traffic just so some boozo can get to work 2 minutes quicker. The other problem is that when it's stopped I personally DONT want to be going 60 mph as people who either a) don't belong in the HOV in the first place and/or b) do not even look or care that someone is coming down that lane so I slow it down some. now if MD had gotten smart and split off the HOV lanes like most other cities do it wouldn't be a problem. So I guess the problem is who is right in a situation like this the guy who is trying to be careful or the guy who wants to haul ass down the road? > *Yielding to faster drivers is both a custom, a courtesy, and a > foundation > for polite driving behavior -- which as you know seems to becoming less > common. > Simply amending a rule is not enough. Maryland must do a better job of > educating drivers of both new and old rules. I don't think there are polite drivers in MD anymore. I've been passed twice now on the right on a one lane road going over the speed limit. hell one guy got out of the car because I honked my horn at him. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 12:29:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HGTS829073 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-23.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.215]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02514; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399C3E6F.56DC7525@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:35:11 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Cole CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Cole wrote: > > Ok, fine, can I get back to reading my comic books now? Racer Man (Boy)... As long as it's Wonder Woman or some other scantily clad buxom babe super heroine! %^) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 12:40:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7HGeN829284 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 26013 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2000 09:40:09 -0700 Date: 17 Aug 2000 09:40:09 -0700 Message-ID: <20000817164009.26012.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 17 Aug 2000 16:40:09 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 17 Aug 2000 09:40:09 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: George.Cole@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) On Thu, 17 August 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > > As long as it's Wonder Woman or some other scantily clad buxom babe > super heroine! %^) sexism! sexism! Just kidding...wanted to see if I could get anyone fired up. lmao. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 13:01:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HH1g800111 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA18201 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA27507 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17318 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:01:38 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000817125509.00a25220@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:01:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Wow Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed It is truly a perfect weather day. 75, 50% humidity - blue skies, warm roads....skipped a normal lunch in favor of a back roads run. I had my second leaf-turning during my NC trip a few weeks ago. You know - when everything suddenly clicks and your performance goes up a huge notch? I still can't believe I haven't scraped any parts - especially in the last few weeks. My foot-pegs are a lot shorter than stock - I assume they would have scraped by now. Or the center stand. Something. No tire left to scrub! Actually, the rear has seen better days since the NC trip (had a bit of a flat spot due to slab ride home). Anxious to scrub in the new 205s that should be here next week. Need to pop them on and do some wrenching. Rear brake light switch is out on foot pedal, brake pads need replacing, oil needs changing, etc, etc. Hope the weather holds up! I pity those of you that didn't get to ride today (LAURA G!) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 13:21:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HHLd800725 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-238-21.s21.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.238.21]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13PTMG-0005bD-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:21:36 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: traffic ticket in MD Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:27:25 GMT Message-ID: <399c47f4.314551127@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7HHLh800726 a family member went to court today... for failure to update an address change (judge threw it out).. She related the following to me: The judge was really nice.. and comical.. a motorcyclist was in there. he got a ticket for going 150 mph. The judge asked him what kind of bike he had (kawasaki) and asked him what's the highest the speedometer read (170).. the judge told him he must have an old bike cuz his bike is slow. (haha)... the judge then lowered his fines to like $50 and ordered he go to the MD driver improvement/saftey/whatever course. The ticket was issued in temple hills somewhere. I can only guess it was 210. I think she also said it was a speed trap day and the judge said "hey that's near my house". So maybe pulling over at 150 mph isn't so bad. BTW no one there had lawyer. I think she said the judge was named alimino/alimina or something like that. A black Gentleman who used to be a criminal defense attorney. the courtroom was on the first floor.. So if you get tickets, that's the guy you want!! :) btw he said "you gotta dress for court" to the guys who wore tank tops and shorts, and still let them off lightly too. Some people had hundreds of dollars in tickets but no one left paying more than $60 and that included $23 in court costs. One lady was going to plead guilty but hte cop wasn't there, so he informed her to plead not guilty and told her that he would let her go for the cop being absent. Just thought I'd pass on what I was told. pretty interesting. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 13:29:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HHTY800840 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA18286 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA28582 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 24085 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2000 10:29:24 -0700 Date: 17 Aug 2000 10:29:24 -0700 Message-ID: <20000817172924.24084.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 17 Aug 2000 17:29:24 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 17 Aug 2000 10:29:24 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: mike@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: Re: Wow On Thu, 17 August 2000, Troutman wrote: oil needs changing, etc, etc. Hey neighbor...while you're out there, my bike needs a washing. :-) Hope the weather holds up! It's supposed to be beautiful all weekend, so after you wash my bike, you won't have to bother covering it, it should be ok. > > I pity those of you that didn't get to ride today (LAURA G!) Don't remind me. I'm pissed about that! Anyways...just wanted to tell you while you were on vacation, I took the VFR for a spin...you're right...it does handle great. :-) don't you just love your smartassed neighbor??? wait...don't answer that. Laura > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > More miles than I can shake a squid at. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 13:33:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HHXV800925 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA18305 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA28798 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailserver1.crosslink.net (yeti.crosslink.net [206.246.124.17]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id NAA11480 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:33:26 -0400 X-Really-To: Received: from [128.38.92.18] (account ) by mailserver1.crosslink.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1) with HTTP id 17754202 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:33:26 -0400 From: biga@XXXXXX (Andrew Culpepper) Subject: Re: Wow To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:33:26 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000817125509.00a25220@mail.wheatintl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:01:37 -0400 Troutman wrote: ...... > I pity those of you that didn't get to ride today I'm heading to the BRP in 30 minutes and will be at VIR on Sunday. Andrew C. '90 EX500 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 13:33:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7HHXd800928 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 24177 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2000 10:33:31 -0700 Date: 17 Aug 2000 10:33:31 -0700 Message-ID: <20000817173331.24176.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 17 Aug 2000 17:33:31 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 17 Aug 2000 10:33:31 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) > > Still have them? If I could still fit in those, I'd be the happiest girl on earth, but unfortunately...have grown a little bit since then. > Better keep the scantily clad ride very local. Out in WBGVA (West > Virginia), we may end up in Bubba's jail for looking suspicious. Every > bit as scary as all those scantily clad DCC men. Yikes. True. True. Oh wait...this isn't really motorcycle-related...we probably shouldn't talk about this anymore...some people might not like it. am I a smart ass today or what? sorry... :-) L > > > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------- End of forwarded message ------- ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 13:45:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HHjr801164 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bernie.excite.com ([199.172.148.157]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000817174542.WCFX25214.bucky.excite.com@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:45:42 -0700 Message-ID: <24860567.966534342013.JavaMail.imail@bernie.excite.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:45:42 -0700 (PDT) From: rick osborn Reply-To: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: last night Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.123.142.226 last night i was going home. no problem. i happen behind this guy who was in a maroon i wanna say '93 chrylser van. looked like cargo van. no windows, that type of thing. he's all over the road. he's speeding up and slowing down, i'm wondering 'what kind of traffic is ahead?' he actually pulls, or swerves over into the shoulder. as if he'd let me by. there's no one in front of him. he swerves back out like he's gonna hit me. and pulls over. i pull over next to him. i'd had enough of this. i had new carb fib tipped gloves, my helmet on, on was gonna show this guy what's up. i get back to the van just to talk to him. he chokes me. actually physically reaches out and grabs me on the neck. jumps out of his vehicle. his vehicle begins rolling. we're on a hill. he realizees this and runs to jump back in. hits my bike so it falls over. and of course flees. two people pull over. 'i saw what he did and i wanna testify. he was a nut'. one followed him for short distance trying to figure out where he was going. well long and short of it. i've got two weeks and @$1500 in insurance fees to wait for before i can ride again. ___________________________________________ rick osborn 703.628.2064 (cell) rick_s_osborn@XXXXXX (mobile/desktop email) rsosborn@XXXXXX (alphanumeric pages) _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 13:48:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HHmo801184 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA18362 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA29327 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17445 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:48:46 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000817134829.00cd32d0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:48:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Wow In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000817125509.00a25220@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:33 PM 8/17/00 , Andrew Culpepper wrote: > > I pity those of you that didn't get to ride today > >I'm heading to the BRP in 30 minutes and will be at VIR on Sunday. Now I pity me... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 13:53:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HHrS801263 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:53:03 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B87B1@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'rick_s_osborn@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: last night Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:43:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Wow, sorry about that Rick. Things are getting crazy out there. Where did this happen and what kind of bike are you on? > -----Original Message----- > From: rick osborn [SMTP:rick_s_osborn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:46 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: last night > > last night i was going home. > > no problem. > i happen behind this guy who was in a maroon > i wanna say '93 chrylser van. looked like > cargo van. no windows, that type of thing. > > he's all over the road. > > he's speeding up and slowing down, > i'm wondering 'what kind of traffic is ahead?' > > he actually pulls, or swerves over into the shoulder. > as if he'd let me by. > > there's no one in front of him. > he swerves back out like he's gonna hit me. > and pulls over. > > i pull over next to him. > > i'd had enough of this. > i had new carb fib tipped gloves, > my helmet on, on was gonna show this guy what's up. > > i get back to the van just to talk to him. > he chokes me. > > actually physically reaches out and grabs me on the neck. > jumps out of his vehicle. > > his vehicle begins rolling. we're on a hill. > he realizees this and runs to jump back in. > hits my bike so it falls over. > and of course flees. > > two people pull over. > 'i saw what he did and i wanna testify. > he was a nut'. one followed him for short distance > trying to figure out where he was going. > > well long and short of it. > i've got two weeks and @$1500 in insurance > fees to wait for before i can ride again. > > > ___________________________________________ > rick osborn > 703.628.2064 (cell) > rick_s_osborn@XXXXXX (mobile/desktop email) > rsosborn@XXXXXX (alphanumeric pages) > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 13:56:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HHui801284 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7HHufb00624 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:56:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Interesting occurence in VA Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A couple weeks ago (sunday) I was coming home on the beltway heading north towards the Dulles Toll Rd (but still several miles away such that the left lane shouldn't have been filled with Toll Rd cars). There was a blue Malibu in the left lane going about 60 mph. A Maxima pulls up behind the Malibu but the Malibu stays put. So, the Maxima goes to pass on the right and the Malibu drivers floors it. The Maxima does the same and gets the edge - managing to pull in front of the Malibu. The Malibu then proceeds to tailgate the Maxima as they head toward an estimated 90 mph (I was going 80 or so, figuring I was getting a free ride on the coat tails of those two...). Shortly afterwards the Malibu lights up, hits its siren, and pulls the Maxima over... Crap! Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 14:31:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3605.mail.yahoo.com (web3605.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.109]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7HIVF802045 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000817183107.9083.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3605.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:31:07 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:31:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Interesting occurence in VA To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That sounds like the same one I've been talking about but are you sure it was a Malibu and not a Lumina? As I said before they have a white one too. Glenn --- Kirk Roy wrote: > A couple weeks ago (sunday) I was coming home on the > beltway heading north > towards the Dulles Toll Rd (but still several miles > away such that the > left lane shouldn't have been filled with Toll Rd > cars). There was a blue > Malibu in the left lane going about 60 mph. A Maxima > pulls up behind the > Malibu but the Malibu stays put. So, the Maxima goes > to pass on the right > and the Malibu drivers floors it. The Maxima does > the same and gets the > edge - managing to pull in front of the Malibu. The > Malibu then proceeds > to tailgate the Maxima as they head toward an > estimated 90 mph (I was > going 80 or so, figuring I was getting a free ride > on the coat tails of > those two...). Shortly afterwards the Malibu lights > up, hits its siren, > and pulls the Maxima over... Crap! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 14:41:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HIfu802250 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7HIfpb02033 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:41:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Interesting occurence in VA In-Reply-To: <20000817183107.9083.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > That sounds like the same one I've been talking about > but are you sure it was a Malibu and not a Lumina? As > I said before they have a white one too. Actually, after checking the Chevy website I believe it was an Impala, not a Malibu. It definitely wasn't a Lumina. It looked like a brand new car... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 15:15:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HJFP803171 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-133-22.s22.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.133.22] helo=cbxturbo) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13PV8N-0006i2-00; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:15:23 -0400 Message-ID: <010901c0087f$5a24bdc0$1685a4d8@cbxturbo> From: "Swifty" To: "Glenn Dysart" , "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" References: <20000817183107.9083.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Interesting occurence in VA Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:13:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I saw the Blue Lumina today on Rt 7 w, just past the toll road exit. Pretty shiny dark blue....lotsa hidden flashing lights!! From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 15:51:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HJp9804474 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-32 #43876) with ESMTP id <0FZG00342CGLGZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <36R3LF1L>; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:51:32 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:50:23 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: last night To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , "'rick_s_osborn@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68067FE4D@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hate to say this but that was pretty dumb to pull over. Sorry to hear about the bike, but a lot worse could have happened... As much as it galls me to say this, normal citizens don't have any business "talking" to people about their driving habits. (it's can get you killed) If you've GOT to do something (which will probably amount to nothing) get the tag and call the police. If he actually tried to hit you with the van, you could probably press assault charges -- if you got a good look at his face. BTW, he wouldn't have hit your bike if it had been leaving him in the dust where it should of been. (Sounds like operator error to me...) I hate to jump on the soapbox, but another insurance claim that was unnecessary -- chances of it getting passed on to the rest of us -- pretty good. Sorry to be critical, I may have done the same thing, but that doesn't make it right. (Donning my flame proof suit now) -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:44 PM To: 'rick_s_osborn@XXXXXX'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: last night Wow, sorry about that Rick. Things are getting crazy out there. Where did this happen and what kind of bike are you on? > -----Original Message----- > From: rick osborn [SMTP:rick_s_osborn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:46 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: last night > > last night i was going home. > > no problem. > i happen behind this guy who was in a maroon > i wanna say '93 chrylser van. looked like > cargo van. no windows, that type of thing. > > he's all over the road. > > he's speeding up and slowing down, > i'm wondering 'what kind of traffic is ahead?' > > he actually pulls, or swerves over into the shoulder. > as if he'd let me by. > > there's no one in front of him. > he swerves back out like he's gonna hit me. > and pulls over. > > i pull over next to him. > > i'd had enough of this. > i had new carb fib tipped gloves, > my helmet on, on was gonna show this guy what's up. > > i get back to the van just to talk to him. > he chokes me. > > actually physically reaches out and grabs me on the neck. > jumps out of his vehicle. > > his vehicle begins rolling. we're on a hill. > he realizees this and runs to jump back in. > hits my bike so it falls over. > and of course flees. > > two people pull over. > 'i saw what he did and i wanna testify. > he was a nut'. one followed him for short distance > trying to figure out where he was going. > > well long and short of it. > i've got two weeks and @$1500 in insurance > fees to wait for before i can ride again. > > > ___________________________________________ > rick osborn > 703.628.2064 (cell) > rick_s_osborn@XXXXXX (mobile/desktop email) > rsosborn@XXXXXX (alphanumeric pages) > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 16:59:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HKxO805871 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id PAA24422 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:59:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id PAA24415 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:59:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA23611 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000817165010.00a4b340@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:00:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Be On the Lookout - Stolen Bike Details In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062FC2@qsi-tysons.qualitys trategies.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I was asked to post this information from another list. The guy who owned the bike was at the July Grevey's bike night and you can contact him at: cam23quick@XXXXXX Be on the lookout for: 2000, Suzuki GSX-R 750, yellow and black. Manufacturer date on the bike - April of 2000. VIN#JS1GR7HA3Y2102316 TAG# VIRGINIA 154467 Tags have red reflector nuts holding the plates on. One head light is yellow, the bulb has scorched the inner framing of the light housing from where the bulb got too close and the sivler film was peeling inside the light housing), the front of the bike had the silver stripe removed from next to the black stripe going around the headlights. The left side front fairing has been scraped and painted over with yellow paint. The left clutch lever and mirror have been scraped. The bike had aprox. 4,350 miles on it. The left bar end was scraped and left fairing was scraped badly and was crushed in next to the frame. The tank had 2 or 3 small scratches from gravel on the left. Carbon fiber tank pad (small, rectangular). Shift lever was broken and replaced by a bolt with a nut on it as a shift knob. Had front and back Goodridge brake lines that were steel braided with dark tinted covers. Dunlop 207s had been painted with yellow tire markers front and back. The tail section had nothing but the "750" in silver and the tail section was completely trimmed and tag mounted very high up, right under the tail light. It did have the cowl on it (should not have a rear seat). Full Yoshimura RS-3 carbon can and stainless steel headers. Small scratch near the spring. The bike will have some remants of yellow paint on the black steel framing of the windscreen (on the inside) through the holes that the mirror bolts went in. There are also scrapes on the tail section on the left and it had been lightly sanded there. No rear turn signals and the front had carbon look surface mounts with clear irridium lenses (bulbs yellow). If you have any leads, call the police and reference case #109862. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 17:23:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HLNX806283 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-20.patriot.net [209.249.180.20]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7HLNIF24801; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:23:18 -0400 Message-ID: <399C55CD.E0B6C8E8@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:14:53 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Pena CC: vtrman@XXXXXX, Mark Kitchell , "'Corbett B'" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) References: <001201c007eb$06828560$ade4f4d1@oemcomputer> <399C1E4E.C33BEE29@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, me be jealous too. Course, a wheelie with a hawg has to be engineered - like a BIG biker chick on back - lotta butt-ballast. And a stoppie? Hmmm... no way... Bill Chuck Pena wrote: > Hey Matt, lighten up! We're just having some fun. And yes, I am > jealous of people who can pull wheelies and stoppies! > > Chuck > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 18:56:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HMuL807870 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-95.patriot.net [209.249.180.95]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7HMuFF03059; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:56:15 -0400 Message-ID: <399C6B96.9BC08315@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:47:51 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rick_s_osborn@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night References: <24860567.966534342013.JavaMail.imail@bernie.excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lemme see here - you observe a van being operated in a rather careless manner, possibly by a drunk, and when said van pulls over - YOU also stop and decide to redress him for his crappy driving. Priceless.... Sooo, how many times did your mommy drop you on your head? Bill rick osborn wrote: > last night i was going home. > > no problem. > i happen behind this guy who was in a maroon > i wanna say '93 chrylser van. looked like > cargo van. no windows, that type of thing. > > he's all over the road. > > he's speeding up and slowing down, > i'm wondering 'what kind of traffic is ahead?' > > he actually pulls, or swerves over into the shoulder. > as if he'd let me by. > > there's no one in front of him. > he swerves back out like he's gonna hit me. > and pulls over. > > i pull over next to him. > > i'd had enough of this. > i had new carb fib tipped gloves, > my helmet on, on was gonna show this guy what's up. > > i get back to the van just to talk to him. > he chokes me. > > actually physically reaches out and grabs me on the neck. > jumps out of his vehicle. > > his vehicle begins rolling. we're on a hill. > he realizees this and runs to jump back in. > hits my bike so it falls over. > and of course flees. > > two people pull over. > 'i saw what he did and i wanna testify. > he was a nut'. one followed him for short distance > trying to figure out where he was going. > > well long and short of it. > i've got two weeks and @$1500 in insurance > fees to wait for before i can ride again. > > ___________________________________________ > rick osborn > 703.628.2064 (cell) > rick_s_osborn@XXXXXX (mobile/desktop email) > rsosborn@XXXXXX (alphanumeric pages) > > _______________________________________________________ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 19:59:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7HNxb809235 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-112-168.s168.tnt4.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.112.168] helo=erols.com) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13PZZK-0002nU-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:59:31 -0400 Message-ID: <399C7C4D.4D391991@erols.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:59:09 -0400 From: Tim Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Be On the Lookout - Stolen Bike Details Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We were warned to.... > Be on the lookout for: > 2000, Suzuki GSX-R 750, yellow and black. > ... bulb has scorched the inner framing of the > light housing from where the bulb got too close and the sivler film was > peeling inside the light housing)... > The left side front fairing has been scraped and painted over with yellow > paint. The left clutch lever and mirror have been scraped. > The left bar end was scraped and left fairing was scraped badly and was > crushed in next to the frame. > The tank had 2 or 3 small scratches from gravel on the left. > Shift lever was broken and replaced by a bolt with a nut on it as a shift knob. > There are also scrapes on the tail section on the left and it had been > lightly sanded there. Wow! And this all happened BEFORE the bike was stolen.... > The bike had aprox. 4,350 miles on it. Unbelievable. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 20:57:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7I0v2810300 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18184 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:56:52 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000817205607.009e9f00@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:56:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: last night In-Reply-To: <24860567.966534342013.JavaMail.imail@bernie.excite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:45 PM 8/17/2000 , rick osborn wrote: >well long and short of it. >i've got two weeks and @$1500 in insurance >fees to wait for before i can ride again. > > >___________________________________________ >rick osborn >703.628.2064 (cell) >rick_s_osborn@XXXXXX (mobile/desktop email) >rsosborn@XXXXXX (alphanumeric pages) I couldn't find you in the archives. Was that your first post? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 22:14:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7I2E9811506 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-238-21.s21.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.238.21]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Pbfa-00056X-00; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:14:07 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Bill Huson Cc: rick_s_osborn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:19:57 GMT Message-ID: <399cbb2d.344052887@smtp.erols.com> References: <24860567.966534342013.JavaMail.imail@bernie.excite.com> <399C6B96.9BC08315@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <399C6B96.9BC08315@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7I2Ea811507 |>Lemme see here - you observe a van being operated in a rather careless |>manner, possibly by a drunk, and when said van pulls over - YOU also |>stop and decide to redress him for his crappy driving. Priceless.... Have to agree with bill on this one.. Ideally, you shoulnd't have gotten yourself or your bike close to this guy... unless you intended to make a citizens arrest in order to prevent this guy from endangering the citizens he could have come upon. Of course human anger comes into play when your life is threatened, and anger intoxicates the judgement process. Can't knock you for that. I just hope that in the future we can have the good sense to overcome that. (we, because I too can easily make the same t ype of wrong decision). Daniel pacifist through superior firepower From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 22:23:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7I2NJ811665 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-238-21.s21.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.238.21]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13PboH-0006L9-00; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:23:06 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tim Morrow Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Be On the Lookout - Stolen Bike Details Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:28:57 GMT Message-ID: <399ec8a6.347501941@smtp.erols.com> References: <399C7C4D.4D391991@erols.com> In-Reply-To: <399C7C4D.4D391991@erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7I2NS811666 |>Wow! And this all happened BEFORE the bike was stolen.... If my memory serves me... skyline drive does tend to have that affect on numerous bikes. I dont' really see anything to scoff at there.. would be different if it were from a show off wheelie or endo or something.. but still why knock tricksters.. if they're doing it on their own bike and not endangering anyone. |>> The bike had aprox. 4,350 miles on it. |> |>Unbelievable. that's decent milage for a bike stamped 4/00 on the frame. Dunno when it was delivered... Of course i've put about 1400 miles on my bike in this past 7 days.. so... maybe not. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 22:25:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7I2Pe811685 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-192-206.s206.tnt9.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.192.206] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Pbqf-00003g-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:25:33 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: WVA Road Trip Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:16:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c008ba$607fc760$cec03ad0@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:03:01 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: WVA? Content-Disposition: inline X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7GG7x802021 Has anyone ridden into West Va lately? I am planing on taking a 2-3 day mc trip during labor day weekend. Looking at a map I will probably go into the Canaan Valley area. From the map I have rt 72 looks like the twistyist road I have ever seen on a map. Does anyone have any recommendations about where to ride, stay, eat? Thanks. George -------------------------------------- 72 IS a twisty road, and narrow. It is also slow going and I'd guess there is a bunch of rain debris in the corners. Go for it, but be careful. As for other excellent roads in WVA, point west, and southerly. Almost ALL of WVA is kickass. Have fun! Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 23:04:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7I34T812450 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-166.90.27.31.Washington1.Level3.net [166.90.27.31]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA12132; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Tim Morrow" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Be On the Lookout - Stolen Bike Details Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:56:27 -0400 Message-ID: <002101c008bf$e72dfb60$1f1b5aa6@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <399C7C4D.4D391991@erols.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Do you talk to yourself a lot? and even more so do you answer yourself a lot too? -----Original Message----- From: Tim Morrow [mailto:tomorrow@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 7:59 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Be On the Lookout - Stolen Bike Details We were warned to.... > Be on the lookout for: > 2000, Suzuki GSX-R 750, yellow and black. > ... bulb has scorched the inner framing of the > light housing from where the bulb got too close and the sivler film was > peeling inside the light housing)... > The left side front fairing has been scraped and painted over with yellow > paint. The left clutch lever and mirror have been scraped. > The left bar end was scraped and left fairing was scraped badly and was > crushed in next to the frame. > The tank had 2 or 3 small scratches from gravel on the left. > Shift lever was broken and replaced by a bolt with a nut on it as a shift knob. > There are also scrapes on the tail section on the left and it had been > lightly sanded there. Wow! And this all happened BEFORE the bike was stolen.... > The bike had aprox. 4,350 miles on it. Unbelievable. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 23:04:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7I34T812449 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-166.90.27.31.Washington1.Level3.net [166.90.27.31]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11603; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Jeannette Zell" , Subject: RE: Be On the Lookout - Stolen Bike Details Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:56:15 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c008bf$e01c4a20$1f1b5aa6@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000817165010.00a4b340@intertv.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Ginger, this was a waste of time. No one on this list gives a fuck. -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Zell [mailto:jzell@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 5:01 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Be On the Lookout - Stolen Bike Details I was asked to post this information from another list. The guy who owned the bike was at the July Grevey's bike night and you can contact him at: cam23quick@XXXXXX Be on the lookout for: 2000, Suzuki GSX-R 750, yellow and black. Manufacturer date on the bike - April of 2000. VIN#JS1GR7HA3Y2102316 TAG# VIRGINIA 154467 Tags have red reflector nuts holding the plates on. One head light is yellow, the bulb has scorched the inner framing of the light housing from where the bulb got too close and the sivler film was peeling inside the light housing), the front of the bike had the silver stripe removed from next to the black stripe going around the headlights. The left side front fairing has been scraped and painted over with yellow paint. The left clutch lever and mirror have been scraped. The bike had aprox. 4,350 miles on it. The left bar end was scraped and left fairing was scraped badly and was crushed in next to the frame. The tank had 2 or 3 small scratches from gravel on the left. Carbon fiber tank pad (small, rectangular). Shift lever was broken and replaced by a bolt with a nut on it as a shift knob. Had front and back Goodridge brake lines that were steel braided with dark tinted covers. Dunlop 207s had been painted with yellow tire markers front and back. The tail section had nothing but the "750" in silver and the tail section was completely trimmed and tag mounted very high up, right under the tail light. It did have the cowl on it (should not have a rear seat). Full Yoshimura RS-3 carbon can and stainless steel headers. Small scratch near the spring. The bike will have some remants of yellow paint on the black steel framing of the windscreen (on the inside) through the holes that the mirror bolts went in. There are also scrapes on the tail section on the left and it had been lightly sanded there. No rear turn signals and the front had carbon look surface mounts with clear irridium lenses (bulbs yellow). If you have any leads, call the police and reference case #109862. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 23:04:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7I34m812476 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-166.90.27.31.Washington1.Level3.net [166.90.27.31]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA10952; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "Chuck Pena" Cc: "'Corbett B'" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:56:02 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01c008bf$d8599860$1f1b5aa6@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B878F@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Oh, PLEASE, with the Dirty Harry bullshit! I just can't stop laughing at you for saying that!!! I'm going to have to assume you were joking because you've obviously never had someone jump out unexpectedly and stick a gun in your face. I hope it never happens to you but I'd bet money, based on your childish attitude about it, that you'd be standing in a puddle of your own piss. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 9:48 AM To: 'vtrman@XXXXXX'; Chuck Pena; Mark Kitchell Cc: 'Corbett B'; DC Cycles Subject: RE: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Bull Shit. Chuck is too smart to be jealous of such stunts. Plus, I know if anyone tried to 'jack Chuck's bike they would be looking down a cold steel barrel (mine or his). Ha ha Big Matt > -----Original Message----- > From: Big Matty [SMTP:vtrman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 9:33 PM > To: Chuck Pena; Mark Kitchell > Cc: 'Corbett B'; DC Cycles > Subject: RE: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) > > Glad you think getting your bike jacked is so funny. Hopefully it won't > happen to you cuz you'd die laughing, huh. The other stuff, sounds like > someones a little jealous of people who can pull off those moves! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 1:16 PM > To: Mark Kitchell > Cc: 'Corbett B'; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) > > > Why, thank you! I resemble that remark. %^) > > Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > > Oh, Chuck outta win that every week.... > > > > Mark > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Corbett B [SMTP:corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:53 PM > > > To: Chuck Pena; DC Cycles > > > Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) > > > > > > > > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > People should show up in t-shirts/tank tops, shorts, > > > > flip-flops/sneakers. Pull wheelies. Stoppies. Do > > > > burnouts. Maybe > > > > someone's R1/GSXR could get 'jacked during the > > > > interview. %^) > > > > > > OUCH! Chuck, you're SOOOO bad! > > > > > > You win the newly created and highly-coveted Smart-ass > > > Of the Week award. Yes, the DC-Cycles SOW award. > > > > > > Competition is tough so enjoy your reign. > > > > > > -Corbett > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 23:05:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7I34w812486 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-166.90.27.31.Washington1.Level3.net [166.90.27.31]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11273; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Chuck Pena" Cc: "Mark Kitchell" , "'Corbett B'" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:56:08 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c008bf$dbca0700$1f1b5aa6@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <399C1E4E.C33BEE29@ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I'm sorry but I just can't keep up with when you guys are just having some fun and when you're serious. Let me get this straight: Someone gets robbed at gunpoint, its funny; someone breaks the posted speed limit, they're a hooligan that should be jailed. OK got it. I don't mean to trip so much on you personally Chuck, you know I think you're alright. But it so happens that this guy is a friend of mine, and I was just SO close to have being there with him that night when it happened, which would have been I think the fourth time I've stared at the business end of a gun held by someone with a bad attitude, and then had to come home and explain to my wife why my nerves were so frazzled. Consider the source? I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean, but every meaning I can assume you meant is one that pisses me off. Are you saying that certain people deserved for this to happen, or that because it was on NY ave. they should have expected it even though it was a well-lit high traffic area? Actually don't answer I don't want to know what you meant. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:18 PM To: vtrman@XXXXXX Cc: Mark Kitchell; 'Corbett B'; DC Cycles Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Hey Matt, lighten up! We're just having some fun. And yes, I am jealous of people who can pull wheelies and stoppies! As for getting a m/c 'jacked, consider the source of the original posting and when/where it took place. Chuck Big Matty wrote: > > Glad you think getting your bike jacked is so funny. Hopefully it won't > happen to you cuz you'd die laughing, huh. The other stuff, sounds like > someones a little jealous of people who can pull off those moves! From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 23:08:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7I38m812597 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-48.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.48]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA32686 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:08:43 -0400 Posted-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:08:43 -0400 Message-ID: <01ef01c008be$9d9a08a0$e0a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Northern Pennsylvania trip report Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:47:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Haven't been there, haven't done that on a MC. Sooo, suddenly, a plan came together -- squeezable time, weather, and all the little stuff (spent time there in the jurassic past). Three days and 700m later, a great trip (DC-State College, then 144-Rt6-Wellsboro-287-Wmsport, and home via 15-81-34-94-97). Of interest, I suppose: o Wilderness in mid-north PA could make for a great foliage trip. Several folks said it isn't jammed during the season -- "most of the heavy traffic stays in the Poconos". But there are Sept/Oct events throughout the area. And a renowned gliderport near State College (stopped in but scheduling askew). o Road work abounds, but wasn't crippling. Could be if traffic heavy, which it wasn't Mon-Wed. o A couple of almost-oopses notable for their plain vanilla heads-up "you never know" lessons: - In industrial section of Wmsport, off beaten path, I stopped at a well-marked pedx at a narrow street redlight intersection. Bided my time. All of a sudden a major (40ft?) semi appears in front of me, making a legal left turn from the crossstreet on my right to my street's opposite lane and moving at a determined cornering clip. Major, major ominous turning radius problem (for me) as the trailer closed in on my territory. Visor down, I started yelling, swiveling between looking at the driver in the cab and the approaching doom. Yes, the driver stopped, letting me footjockey out of the way and giving me a lot of lip about the stop line 20 or 30 feet back and a special sign. Weeellll -- the line was worn, and the sign partially hidden. You hadda know the territory type of thing. If it had been at night . . .. - And, of course, most accidents occur at home. On the final leg, coming down Connecticut Ave. from Aspen Hill there was a little wetness: A shower or some kind of pipe burst coming into the Viers Mill intersection. Me at dry highway speeds all morning, going with traffic. Red light, moderate traffic. I barely touch the rear brake (generally use both) and the rear end breaks loose. Holy smokes, this is ice. Off the rear, aim for a lanesplit, v e r r r y gently on the front and rear, somehow stop without contact. Sweat adds to roadwater. Neither were spectacular, but simple lessons always worth repeating. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> mo' betta, these long lovely trips. I did a nice job, didn't I? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 17 23:10:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7I39w812617 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-166.90.27.31.Washington1.Level3.net [166.90.27.31]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27128 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: Subject: See ya. Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:01:56 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01c008c0$ab2efbe0$1f1b5aa6@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C0089F.241D5BE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000EBEB2A3CBD8FBF11BB392EC62A9E969A64EA2200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C0089F.241D5BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I'm off to vacation for the next week -n- change. Got me a trailer so the bikes coming too, think of me next week while you're at work cuz I'll be tearing up the twisties in SE Ohio (it's like Shenandoah only without the traffic). So I'm gonna unsubcribe for a while so I don't have three thousand emails when I get back, mostly flamers from the latest go-round. But I don't think I'm gonna get back on the list either. I have to admit there seems to be a good number of people on here with knowledge & experience, but the overall "tone" of the list is just a bit too negative for me. Its kinda like a group of people that just want to talk down to other people if they have too much fun riding. Some of you get more fun out of judging others than you do from riding. Hell if you guys wanted to schedule a Saturday morning bitch & whine session you wouldn't have so much trouble finding leaders for that as you do finding leaders for rides!! Personally I'm still having fun riding and am going to stick to that. Anyone that cares to contact me (hate mail, fan mail or otherwise) may do so at the address below. 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X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >If my memory serves me... skyline drive does tend to have that affect >on numerous bikes. No, actually. Riders going way too fast for their skills and road conditions are what causes that. Skyline drive is hardly some backcountry 1.5 lane barely paved farm road. It's almost never the machine's or the road's fault; it's the homo sapiens in the saddle. Though I will concede that even when riding properly erratic cagers can all of a sudden cause an emergency situation. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 06:39:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IAdu820723 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-96-10.s264.tnt1.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.96.10] helo=erols.com) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13PjZ3-0000oz-00; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:39:53 -0400 Message-ID: <399D1263.A8A8E979@erols.com> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:39:31 -0400 From: Tim Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Be On the Lookout - Stolen Bike Details References: <399C7C4D.4D391991@erols.com> <399ec8a6.347501941@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > |>Wow! And this all happened BEFORE the bike was stolen.... > > If my memory serves me... skyline drive does tend to have that affect > on numerous bikes. I dont' really see anything to scoff at there.. I wasn't scoffing. I was bewildered. I don't understand the circumstances under which a bike as new and as expensive as a 2000 Suzuki GSXR2000 gets as much damage as described in so short a time. The damage described did not sound as if it came from one Skyline Drive crash, but rather from numerous incidents, some self-inflicted. On the rare occasions that I have been fortunate to have a brand new motorcycle, I've always tried to keep it "like new," and if something happened beyond my control, I've had insurance on the bike to get it fixed. I guess I'm most surprised that someone would buy a $8,000 motorcycle and then *apparently* accept all the degradation to its appearance that was described, all in a (maximum of) 4-5 months of ownership. More to the point, if I were in that position, I might ask myself if the bike I had bought was a little bit beyond my own capabilities to handle properly. > would be different if it were from a show off wheelie or endo or > something.. but still why knock tricksters.. if they're doing it on > their own bike and not endangering anyone. No problem. It's a free country. Turbocharge and NOS a GSXR1300 Hayabusa, if that's what makes you happy. I'm certainly not interested in changing others opinions of the modifications I've made to my bike. But I understand if they're bewildered, amused, or even if they scoff - and they're entitled to their opinions. > > |>> The bike had aprox. 4,350 miles on it. > |> > |>Unbelievable. > > that's decent milage for a bike stamped 4/00 on the frame. Dunno when > it was delivered... Of course i've put about 1400 miles on my bike in > this past 7 days.. so... maybe not. I wasn't commenting on whether the bike had been ridden "enough" or not, just - again - that so much cosmetic damage had been sustained in so short a period of time. If nothing else, it would make me very sad every time I looked at the bike if I were in that position. Tim From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 06:41:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IAf5820736 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-96-10.s264.tnt1.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.96.10] helo=erols.com) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13PjaB-0000tn-00; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:41:03 -0400 Message-ID: <399D12AB.D74F8A1B@erols.com> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:40:43 -0400 From: Tim Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vtrman@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Be On the Lookout - Stolen Bike Details References: <002101c008bf$e72dfb60$1f1b5aa6@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Big Matty wrote: > Do you talk to yourself a lot? That's a question I often ask myself. > and even more so do you answer yourself a lot too? Only when I want an intelligent response! Tim From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 07:00:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IB0V821103 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA2278099; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399D173F.D505D354@radix.net> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:00:15 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Morrow CC: vtrman@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Be On the Lookout - Stolen Bike Details References: <002101c008bf$e72dfb60$1f1b5aa6@oemcomputer> <399D12AB.D74F8A1B@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim Morrow wrote: > > Big Matty wrote: > > > Do you talk to yourself a lot? Why, yes, we often talk to ourselves. > > and even more so do you answer yourself a lot too? We answer ourselves too. Just listening to the voices. What? You can't hear them ? 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 07:12:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7IBCq821260 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000818111244.22759.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.11.25] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:12:44 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:12:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Washington Post Article To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Post came out with an article about "Rocket" Riders. A few paragraphs into the story they started using the term sport bikes instead. Lots of quotes from the DC Sportbike Riders Association. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47102-2000Aug17.html They talk about who is riding these bikes now "I would say up to 65, 75 percent of our members are in the computer field," Lee said of those in the D.C. club. "That's where a lot of the money is these days." Costs of the bikes, the testosterone factor, etc. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 http://MD-20-20.tripod.com Home Page: http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 07:56:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IBuB821887 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-238-21.s21.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.238.21]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Pkkp-0003Hn-00; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:56:08 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Cc: "Chuck Pena" , "Mark Kitchell" , "'Corbett B'" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:01:59 GMT Message-ID: <399d4993.380512292@smtp.erols.com> References: <001f01c008bf$dbca0700$1f1b5aa6@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <001f01c008bf$dbca0700$1f1b5aa6@oemcomputer> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7IBuY821888 On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:56:08 -0400, you wrote: |>I'm sorry but I just can't keep up with when you guys are just having some |>fun and when you're serious. Let me get this straight: Someone gets robbed |>at gunpoint, its funny; someone breaks the posted speed limit, they're a |>hooligan that should be jailed. OK got it. LOL you've got them by the nads wth the vice of irony there! hehe |>I don't mean to trip so much on you personally Chuck, you know I think |>you're alright. But it so happens that this guy is a friend of mine, and I |>was just SO close to have being there with him that night when it happened, I was there, it wasn't funny.. and nor are the jokes. You're right, it's not funny when you are the victim. |>which would have been I think the fourth time I've stared at the business |>end of a gun held by someone with a bad attitude, and then had to come home |>and explain to my wife why my nerves were so frazzled. hold on a sec, i'm counting... ok that would be the 6th or 7th time for me. You'd think i'd be anti-gun by now? but nope, i'm pro-gun. If law abiding citizens were allowed to carry i don't think the non law abiding would be so brazen. If not scared, then darwinized. here's gasoline, Let the gun thread burn baby! |>Consider the source? I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean, but every I ddin't follow that line either.. I wondered.. is NY ave supposed to be the official DCSR's location for meetings? it's not. Was it because it was posted on DCSR's first that it's supposed to be their problem, and not real? not serious? "the source of where it was posted first" really doesn't have anythng to do with anything... I'm sure a few listers here have popular sport bikes and have taken it into DC. It coudl have well happened to one of us at a traffic light. Would the same insensative joke(s) be made? I dont think so? it's kind of a shame that the blind disliking of DCSR as a group goes so far as to make fun of a life threatening bike jacking, and excuse that joke. For the stereo typers... I could organise an ride with DCSR where we ride in just as organised as what could be put together here. Don't assume it's just hooligansm of young fools. It's people who have jobs, wear proper gear, and ride nice bikes. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 08:01:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IC1N822037 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04241; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:01:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Matthew Patton cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: crash damage (was: lookout for ...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Actually, I believe deer are another cause for Skyline accidents. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Matthew Patton wrote: > > >If my memory serves me... skyline drive does tend to have that affect > >on numerous bikes. > > No, actually. Riders going way too fast for their skills and road conditions are what causes that. Skyline drive is hardly some backcountry 1.5 lane barely paved farm road. It's almost never the machine's or the road's fault; it's the homo sapiens in the saddle. Though I will concede that even when riding properly erratic cagers can all of a sudden cause an emergency situation. > > > > theglobe.com > Your friendly full-service integrated online community. > http://www.theglobe.com > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 08:07:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IC72822132 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-238-21.s21.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.238.21]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13PkvJ-0004HB-00; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:06:58 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tim Morrow Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Be On the Lookout - Stolen Bike Details Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:12:49 GMT Message-ID: <399e505d.382249717@smtp.erols.com> References: <399C7C4D.4D391991@erols.com> <399ec8a6.347501941@smtp.erols.com> <399D1263.A8A8E979@erols.com> In-Reply-To: <399D1263.A8A8E979@erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7IC75822133 On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:39:31 -0400, you wrote: |>daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: |>> |>> |>Wow! And this all happened BEFORE the bike was stolen.... |>> |>> If my memory serves me... skyline drive does tend to have that affect |>> on numerous bikes. I dont' really see anything to scoff at there.. |> |>I wasn't scoffing. I was bewildered. I don't understand the |>circumstances under which a bike as new and as expensive as a 2000 |>Suzuki GSXR2000 gets as much damage as described in so short a time. The Brand new suzuki plastic is not available. There is a backorder and waiting list. |>damage described did not sound as if it came from one Skyline Drive |>crash, but rather from numerous incidents, some self-inflicted. On the He defintiely had one, possible 2. I would not say numerous. |>happened beyond my control, I've had insurance on the bike to get it |>fixed. I guess I'm most surprised that someone would buy a $8,000 Can't fix what isn't available on such a newly designed bike. |>motorcycle and then *apparently* accept all the degradation to its |>appearance that was described, all in a (maximum of) 4-5 months of wrong. not available. |>ownership. More to the point, if I were in that position, I might ask |>myself if the bike I had bought was a little bit beyond my own |>capabilities to handle properly. Supposedly he crashed while looking for his friend behind him before he realised he was in the next curve. that would happen just as easily on a 250. |>I wasn't commenting on whether the bike had been ridden "enough" or not, |>just - again - that so much cosmetic damage had been sustained in so |>short a period of time. If nothing else, it would make me very sad every |>time I looked at the bike if I were in that position. 4000 miles is plenty of time for an scratch it up oopsie. As soon as the parts were available the insurance would replace them. I don't know about you, but i'd still ride it, and post the details about it if I got jacked for it. Kind of funny how you get bewildered without knowing what you thought you were bewildered about. :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 08:17:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ICHZ822318 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-238-21.s21.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.238.21]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Pl5Z-0005K1-00; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:17:33 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Cc: Subject: Re: See ya. Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:23:25 GMT Message-ID: <39a05302.382927772@smtp.erols.com> References: <002a01c008c0$ab2efbe0$1f1b5aa6@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <002a01c008c0$ab2efbe0$1f1b5aa6@oemcomputer> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7ICHd822319 |>I have to admit there seems to be a good number of people on here with |>knowledge & experience, but the overall "tone" of the list is just a bit too |>negative for me. Its kinda like a group of people that just want to talk eliminate the postive accentuate the postive. Hit delete on the messages you dont' like. Kill file the negative persons you don't like. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. No one person in here can know everything else that everone else already knows... and it's good to learn from the others. There are a few here who can dislike the stereo type; young, sportbike rider... but.. I'd still admit I can learn from them, and atleast get SOMETHING out of the negative attitudes. |>down to other people if they have too much fun riding. Some of you get more |>fun out of judging others than you do from riding. Hell if you guys wanted |>to schedule a Saturday morning bitch & whine session you wouldn't have so |>much trouble finding leaders for that as you do finding leaders for rides!! Hilarious! LOL you have wit! you fit right in! Hey if you do't like it, dont' leave it, stay, taint it! : ) maybe you have to pan through a lot of dirt to get to the gold, but there is GOLD(en ifnormation) in that thar dcc list! :) Daniel keep diggin From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 08:24:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ICOJ822407 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-238-21.s21.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.238.21]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13PlC5-00062m-00; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:24:18 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: pattonme@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: crash damage (was: lookout for ...) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:30:10 GMT Message-ID: <39a15517.383460237@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7ICOL822408 True enough. However said incident was related as such: rider looked back for buddy rider, looked forward, too late in the curve went off the road. I wouldn't say he wasn't skilled enough for skyline. Everyone makes mistakes, doesn't mean you're not skilled enough to handle the road. I do concede, it's not the roads fault, and it is the riders fault.. but like i said, there's a big difference between a rider having an accident on skyline, and the squid who dumps his bike showing off. It's not bewildering to hear a rider had an accident on skyline. atleast not to me. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 08:30:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f63.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.63]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ICUk822559 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:30:38 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Calling Maryland Flashers Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:30:38 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2000 12:30:38.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D32A940:01C00910] Simple solution: If a vehicle is approaching from behind, and there is an open lane to your right, just move over; regardless of speed or what lane you're in at the time. Wouldn't that make the world a better place?! "And that's all I have to say 'bout that." Thank you Forrest. Rob '98 VFR800 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 08:37:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ICbd822722 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-238-21.s21.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.238.21]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13PlOu-0007jy-00; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:37:32 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Morris Berman Cc: Matthew Patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: crash damage (was: lookout for ...) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:43:24 GMT Message-ID: <39a25906.384467337@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7ICbg822723 |>Actually, I believe deer are another cause for Skyline accidents. I think we can brake it down to this: other motorist, animal, freak act of nature, bike malfunction, nonseeable road contaminent = not your fault everything else = your fault From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 08:40:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f257.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ICeq822743 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:40:44 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Interesting occurrence in VA Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:40:44 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2000 12:40:44.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[8696D5E0:01C00911] This sounds very similar to what I saw a week or so ago. Eastbound Toll Road, about 3 miles before the main toll. A bunch of cages going about 70. I was in the second lane from the left and had just passed a group of 5 or 6 cars, when this one car, out of nowhere, blows by me in the far left lane and does a couple of those quick lane changes with the 'courtesy' one flash of the turn signal each time. All of a sudden, one of the cars in the group I just passed guns it, full disco light show from the inside, and nabs speed racer. Don't remember what kind of car it was, but it sure blended in nicely as I had totally missed him out there. IOW, keep your eyes open! Rob '98 VFR800 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:56:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Interesting occurence in VA Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative A couple weeks ago (sunday) I was coming home on the beltway heading north towards the Dulles Toll Rd (but still several miles away such that the left lane shouldn't have been filled with Toll Rd cars). There was a blue Malibu in the left lane going about 60 mph. A Maxima pulls up behind the Malibu but the Malibu stays put. So, the Maxima goes to pass on the right and the Malibu drivers floors it. The Maxima does the same and gets the edge - managing to pull in front of the Malibu. The Malibu then proceeds to tailgate the Maxima as they head toward an estimated 90 mph (I was going 80 or so, figuring I was getting a free ride on the coat tails of those two...). Shortly afterwards the Malibu lights up, hits its siren, and pulls the Maxima over... Crap! Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 08:51:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f145.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.145]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ICpi823020 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:51:33 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sportbikes...Front Page Metro Section Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:51:32 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2000 12:51:33.0057 (UTC) FILETIME=[093FAB10:01C00913] Woo Hoo! My bike made the article... '...and carry names as aggressive as some of their riders: The Suzuki Bandit, Honda Interceptor and Kawasaki Ninja are sport bikes.' Aggressive??? Me??? Never! O:-) Rob '98 VFR800 "INTERCEPTOR" (with ghoulish laughter!!!) Kinda long, but thought I'd share. http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47102-2000Aug17.html 'Rocket' Riders Speeding Away By Raymond McCaffrey Washington Post Staff Writer Friday , August 18, 2000 ; B01 Once, a prevailing image of the modern outlaw was a grizzled biker in black leather roaring down the road on a hulking motorcycle. Increasingly, though, that image is changing. Now, the outlaw is the T-shirt-clad Web surfer next door racing across the landscape on a sleek, multicolored "rocket" sport bike--sometimes literally leaving the old-guard biker in the backwash. "This 'crotch rocket' passed us probably 100 miles per hour," said Ruth Chedester, who viewed the speeder while she was riding with her husband on their more traditional big Gold Wing touring motorcycle. "He had on a T-shirt and a pair of cut-off shorts and deck shoes. Can you imagine what would happen to him if he went down? They really do give motorcycles a bad name." Some of these new two-wheel outlaws have given motorcycles so bad a name that Maryland State Police effectively posted their pictures on wanted posters this summer. After a string of deadly motorcycle crashes, state police initiated "Operation Rocket Roundup," an effort that resulted in motorcyclists receiving 98 traffic citations in July alone. Helicopters have been used to keep up with vehicles that can travel at speeds up to 190 mph. Nonetheless, three more people on sport bikes died on Maryland roadways in July, state police said. And in Virginia recently, state police were involved in an extended chase with a sport bike traveling up to 120 mph. The pursuit ended when the stolen motorcycle crashed, killing a passenger and leaving the driver critically injured. The police crackdown on sport bikes parallels the emergence of a new motorcycle culture, one that is at odds with the "biker" image of the past. These rocket riders are younger and richer; just as likely to listen to rap as rock. They tend to meet online rather than in bars. And the high they seek is a natural--albeit sometimes dangerous--one. "The guy riding a sport bike has a need for speed, an adrenaline rush," said Granville "GC" Lee, a 29-year-old Web developer from Upper Marlboro who is president of the DC Sportbike Riders Association. "A lot of people have compared it to skydiving. It's the acceleration--getting from 0 to 55 miles per hour takes about two seconds. It's just the rush of having all that horsepower." Speed has been the high of the young at the very least since Henry Ford started mass producing automobiles. Yet, sport bikes are more Millennium Falcon than Model T--and increasing numbers of people are drawn to motorcycles that can travel at speeds almost three times the legal speed limit and carry names as aggressive as some of their riders: The Suzuki Bandit, Honda Interceptor and Kawasaki Ninja are sport bikes. The DC Sportbike Riders Association, for instance, was formed from a nucleus of motorcyclists in the Washington area who met in an Internet chat room less than two years. Now there are more than 100 paying members, an e-mail list of about 2,000 and a Web page that lists ongoing activities such as a cookout planned for Sunday. Like the riders in more traditional motorcycle associations, Lee and his fellow members are trying to dispel what they feel are unfair stereotypes of bikers. Lee can remember when he would barely see 50 sport bikes on the road in an entire year. "Now you can see 50 bikes in a single sitting," he said. "You've got rappers out on sport bikes--the guys see that. It's definitely growing." The sport bike market itself barely existed 20 years ago, according to Don J. Brown, a California-based motorcycle industry analyst. "Basically the sport bike as we call them was more or less invented by the Japanese companies," Brown said. "They brought the idea of marketing a motorcycle that emulated or was similar or even the same in certain cases as bikes that are racing professionally in road racing. It started out in the early '80s." That expansion, though, picked up in the past decade as motorcycle sales have skyrocketed, increasing each of the last eight years. Sales in 2000 are already up more than 20 percent over last year, said Steffanie Gunn, a spokeswoman for the Motorcycle Industry Council in Irvine, Calif. "It's become fashionable," Gunn said. "It's in style. Motorcycles are hot. They're sexy." They're also becoming increasingly expensive--top-of-the-line sport bikes commonly cost more than $10,000. "I would say up to 65, 75 percent of our members are in the computer field," Lee said of those in the D.C. club. "That's where a lot of the money is these days." It shouldn't be any surprise that among those who have thrived in a culture where today's computer is destined for tomorrow's scrap heap there's a constant scramble for the newest fastest bikes. The horsepower in top-of-the line bikes has gone up by a good 20 percent in recent years, according to Jim McCluney, manager of Atlantic Cycle & Power in White Plains. "The technology that they're putting into it has changed horsepower tremendously," McCluney said. "And pretty much that's what the public is demanding, and they're delivering what the public wants--more speed." In fact, McCluney thinks the bikes have gotten so fast that somewhere it all has to stop. "I don't see them getting faster and faster, because I think they're going to start regulating the speeds that those things can go on the street," he said. Others think the problem with the bikes is not necessarily the speed but the rider. "Too many times folks get on a motorcycle without any type of training or experience," said Lloyd Morrison, a member of the Blue Knights, a motorcycle club for those who have worked in law enforcement. "They either make a fool of themselves or get in an accident. . . . I observed a group of these little fast motorcycles the other day--they were passing cars on double yellow lines." Motorcycle riding is inherently dangerous, according to Morrison, a retired military police officer. "Basically there's two types of motorcycle riders," he said. "There's those who have been down, and those who are going to go down." However, it would seem--at least according to one enthusiast who left a note on the DC Sportbike Riders Web page--that testosterone can play as big of a role as adrenaline when it comes to accidents: "A rider from Baltimore came down to DC popping off at the mouth about his skillz, and some of the DC Boys took the challenge and talked trash right back. Well during a blast through the 395 tunnel one of the riders managed to lose control of their bike sending it flying into X-Man. X received a crushed leg below the knee resulting in numerous rods and screws to repair the damage." The president of the association denounces such behavior. The Web page also carries safety tips for riders, and Lee said that members who want to race are told to "save it for the track"--a local off-road raceway. Lee said that he and others wear protective gear--leather jacket and pants, a helmet, gloves and boots--when they ride. Nonetheless, Lee said that he and his wife commonly engage in a ritual before he goes out for a ride. "We basically have a prayer every time I go out," he said, "because of what could happen." M-) 2000 The Washington Post Company ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 08:56:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ICu9823033 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7ICu5b26653 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:56:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: crash damage (was: lookout for ...) In-Reply-To: <39a25906.384467337@smtp.erols.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I think we can brake it down to this: > > other motorist, animal, freak act of nature, bike malfunction, > nonseeable road contaminent = not your fault > > everything else = your fault Actually, I wouldn't break it down that way or break it down at all, actually. No fixed list is going to eliminate the need to examine what caused an accident (or a near accident or simply having the bike do something unexpected). I know that every time I screw up (thankfully, my screwups include no on-road accidents) I look at what happened initially as it being my fault and consider what I could have done to avoid the situation. In the "not your fault" list above I would be surprised if more than 10% of other motorist screwups or accidents couldn't have been avoided if the rider was paying more attention, had options in mind in terms of escape routes, was better skilled, etc. Freak accidents do occur but I believe they're the exception, not the rule. (I'd use a lower percentage than 10% but don't want to appear to do so simply for polemic value). My point is, you'd do well to examine the whats, wheres, and hows in your riding, with particular attention to screwups and accidents. Where motorcycling is concerned, I believe if you're not improving you're getting worse. Mental and physical effort is required but without this effort you're better off leaving the bike sitting... Is it friday already? :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 09:08:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ID8Q823379 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA30336 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:57:05 -0500 From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.35]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.92) with SMTP id JAA53536 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:08:19 -0400 Received: by d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525693F.00482AFE ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:08:15 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525693F.004827C0.00@d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:08:05 -0400 Subject: re. was Sportbikes...Front Page Metro Section Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline "Robert Keiser" on 08/18/2000 08:51:32 AM >>Woo Hoo! My bike made the article... >> >>'...and carry names as aggressive as some of their riders: The Suzuki >>Bandit, Honda Interceptor and Kawasaki Ninja are sport bikes.' >> >>Aggressive??? Me??? Never! O:-) Aggressive????? Aggressive???? Now, here's aggressive.......... http://www.drive.com.au/news/default.asp?section=news&page=http://drive.fairfax.com.au/content/20000818/news/news3.html Mammoth outfit rolls out a wild, woolly bike First Published: The Sydney Morning Herald Friday, August 18, 2000 By BOB JENNINGS So you think fold-up aluminium scooters are cool - and the ones with engines cooler still? A two-wheeler emerging from cyberspace will curdle the latte of the kerbside cruisers who think they've got everything. German motorcycle maker Muench, renowned for its incredible, limited-production motorcycles, has come out with another stunner, the Mammut (pictured). That's German for Mammoth, which is suitably apt in all departments, from price to weight to power. Company boss Friedel Muench does not let the Mammut go short in the urge department. His free-thinking engineers have strapped a 194kW turbocharged 2.0-litre Ford Sierra Cosworth engine into a bike frame - the two-wheeled overkill equivalent of stuffing gelignite down a mouse hole. The bike weighs in at a substantial 350kg, significantly more than the average Harley-Davidson. Friedel says he's only going to build 250, retailing them for the in-keeping-with-the-name mammoth price of about $120,000. Intending owners first must have to buy a computer - like the Ducati MH900e launched by Muench earlier this year, the Mammut is being sold only on the Internet. Deposit paid, the intending buyer is given a PIN and will be notified when construction of the bike has begun. The customer then can follow the machine's progress down the production line, thanks to a video camera linked to the Web site. Meanwhile, not to be outdone, on-line motorcycle magazine AllMoto reports the latest in a raft of rumours of a big BMW horizontally opposed four-cylinder bike. BMW is said to be developing an 1.8-litre version of its boxer engine to power a competitor for the new-generation Honda Goldwing. Regards, Tom Knapik EAGLE Architect E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 '83 Honda CX650C From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 09:11:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IDBL823454 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-81.patriot.net [209.249.180.81]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7IDBBF03145; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:11:11 -0400 Message-ID: <399D33F5.8C414A8@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:02:45 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: crash damage (was: lookout for ...) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > > In the "not your fault" list above I would be surprised if more than 10% > of other motorist screwups or accidents couldn't have been avoided if the > rider was paying more attention, had options in mind in terms of escape > routes, was better skilled, etc. Freak accidents do occur but I believe > they're the exception, not the rule. (I'd use a lower percentage than 10% > but don't want to appear to do so simply for polemic value). > > My point is, you'd do well to examine the whats, wheres, and hows in your > riding, with particular attention to screwups and accidents. Where > motorcycling is concerned, I believe if you're not improving you're > getting worse. Mental and physical effort is required but without this > effort you're better off leaving the bike sitting... > > Is it friday already? :) I agree. My one serious accident *might* have ben avoided. The geezer got nailed for failing to yield, but as I entered the spacious intersection I saw that his front wheels were cocked for a leftie. *uh-oh* Too late *crunch* I had the brakes covered so I manged to scrub off spped but it was too late for anything else. Reflecting back - I should have been on the the brakes the insant I saw his wheels cocked - a sure fire indication of impatiantence. The other two riders with me said no way, he whipped it right in front of me and I never had a chance, but... *thinking*... Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 09:13:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IDDp823557 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11693; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:08:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Bill Huson" , Subject: RE: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:13:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <399C55CD.E0B6C8E8@patriot.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Bill, I would think a wheelie should be possible even with a heavy, rear-weight-biased bike like the average hog. I have no doubt you'd have to be in first gear and give it plenty o' clutch, but it seams reasonable to assume it'd be possible. Care to let me try? ;^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 2:15 PM To: Chuck Pena Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX; Mark Kitchell; 'Corbett B'; DC Cycles Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Yeah, me be jealous too. Course, a wheelie with a hawg has to be engineered - like a BIG biker chick on back - lotta butt-ballast. And a stoppie? Hmmm... no way... Bill Chuck Pena wrote: > Hey Matt, lighten up! We're just having some fun. And yes, I am > jealous of people who can pull wheelies and stoppies! > > Chuck > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 09:38:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7IDcl824034 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000818133839.13890.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.228] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:38:39 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:38:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: See ya. To: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Big Matty wrote: > So I'm gonna unsubcribe for a while so I don't have > three thousand emails > when I get back, mostly flamers from the latest > go-round. But I don't think > I'm gonna get back on the list either. Bad call....some of us appreciate your posts and viewpoints. > I have to admit there seems to be a good number of > people on here with > knowledge & experience, but the overall "tone" of > the list is just a bit too negative for me. Dude....you must have joined after Brian McCoy left. It ain't so bad now. > Its kinda like a group of people that just want to > talk > down to other people if they have too much fun > riding. Some of you get more > fun out of judging others than you do from riding. > Hell if you guys wanted > to schedule a Saturday morning bitch & whine session > you wouldn't have so > much trouble finding leaders for that as you do > finding leaders for rides!! Plenty of us ride every chance we get, without all of the structure, planning, and big-group headache. And, regardless of what you might think about some of these stiffs, most of 'em will be happy to pass on the double yellow right behind you when it's safe to do so. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 09:39:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IDdm824044 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA12070 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:34:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:39:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <399d4993.380512292@smtp.erols.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Daniel wrote: "it's kind of a shame that the blind disliking of DCSR as a group goes so far as to make fun of a life threatening bike jacking, and excuse that joke." That's true. Don't think everyone found the story of the bikejacking funny. I certainly consider it with the utmost seriousness. I usually ride NY ave. to get to the beach - I don't think I will anymore. "For the stereo typers... I could organise an ride with DCSR where we ride in just as organised as what could be put together here. Don't assume it's just hooligansm of young fools. It's people who have jobs, wear proper gear, and ride nice bikes." With all due respect, Daniel, you're misrepresenting the facts here. I have ridden with dc-sportbikes guys and only about half of them (at best) were wearing ANY riding gear except a helmet. Granted, the other half or so was reasonably kitted out. This was an organized ride from Manassas to the NY Ave Checkers last year. During the ride down I-66, many of the bikes were all over the highway and endangering each other. Now, I don't really care if some biker endangers himself (hey, I do it myself all the time) - IMO, that's his/her right. But if I'm riding in a group, I don't expect to get passed in the same lane, tailgated or have a bunch of people in the group act in a way as to cause the Man to come down on us. This all happened a lot that night. Thanks, but no thanks. But hey, if you guys want to ride together like that and you like it and are willing to accept any consequences from it, that's your business. And don't get me wrong - just about all the guys I met that night were very friendly and great to hang out with. I just don't think I'd want to ride with them, that's all. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 09:52:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IDqW824303 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id IAA05145 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:52:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id IAA05136 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:52:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA12749 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000818094941.00a41c90@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:53:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Vacation/Party Reminder In-Reply-To: <20000818133839.13890.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'll be off the list next week due to vacation! wooohooo! We'll be attempting to take our bikes with us in my new truck...we'll see if the bed is long enough, wish us luck! ; ) Perhaps I will break my land speed record of 120 down at VA Beach. LOL I know, I know, it's slow compared to most of you, but so far it's my top speed. Not that I'm trying to beat any speed records, but it's funny when someone asks me if I've gone "fast on that thing." DUH At least my answer elicits some fun responses. Party reminder: Don't forget to mark your calendars for the next DC Cycles shindig at our house in Arlington on September 23 (Saturday) starting at 5PM. Other reminders will follow... : ) I'll also be sending out an e-invite type thing 2 weeks beforehand to get a handle on the number of people...just a heads-up. : ) Bye for now! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 09:54:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IDsS824333 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-36.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.164]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29373; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399D6B97.2E6BAC32@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:00:07 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Keiser CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sportbikes...Front Page Metro Section References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob, You're not fooling anyone. You are hooligan. Chuck Robert Keiser wrote : > > Aggressive??? Me??? Never! O:-) From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 09:55:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7IDtM824346 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000818135507.20835.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.167] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:55:07 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:55:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Be On the Lookout - Stolen Bike Details To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:39:31 -0400, you wrote: > |>daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > |>> > |>I wasn't commenting on whether the bike had been > ridden "enough" or not, > |>just - again - that so much cosmetic damage had > been sustained in so > |>short a period of time. If nothing else, it would > make me very sad every > |>time I looked at the bike if I were in that > position. > > 4000 miles is plenty of time for an scratch it up > oopsie. > As soon as the parts were available the insurance > would replace them. > I don't know about you, but i'd still ride it, and > post the details about it if I got jacked for it. this was the bike that was 'jacked? wow. i'm not sure i'd want it back unless it was uninsured. whoever took it was crazy enough to be ready to kill for it, so i doubt it will be cared for very well. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 10:29:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IETf825157 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA12721; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:24:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Jeannette Zell" , Subject: RE: Vacation/Party Reminder Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:28:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000818094941.00a41c90@intertv.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal I'm off list next week due to vacation too! Wow - a lot of us will be out on the roads. Look out! I'm riding up to New England with some buddies to see the sights. Maybe a Montreal strip club or two ;^) Thanks to everyone who sent info to me about the trip. I'll be writing up a trip report when I get back. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Zell [mailto:jzell@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 6:54 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Vacation/Party Reminder I'll be off the list next week due to vacation! wooohooo! We'll be attempting to take our bikes with us in my new truck...we'll see if the bed is long enough, wish us luck! ; ) From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 10:37:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smyk.apk.net (smyk.apk.net [207.54.158.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IEbD825457 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from junior.apk.net (IDENT:ZbneJitITmd+y3l3wW8DuqqrOXzRcDjJ@XXXXXX [207.54.158.20]) by smyk.apk.net (8.11.0/8.11.0/apk.990812+rchk1.22+bspm1.13.1.5a) with ESMTP id e7IERV425277; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zbig@localhost) by junior.apk.net (8.11.0/8.11.0/rchk1.22) id e7IERUA05899; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:27:30 -0400 From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: crash damage (was: lookout for ...) Message-ID: <20000818102730.A16209@kleks.org> References: <39a15517.383460237@smtp.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <39a15517.383460237@smtp.erols.com>; from daniel_ex250@flashmail.com on Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 03:30:10PM +0000 * daniel_ex250@XXXXXX (daniel_ex250@XXXXXX) [000818 08:29]: > but like i said, there's a big difference between a rider having an > accident on skyline, and the squid who dumps his bike showing off. > It's not bewildering to hear a rider had an accident on skyline. > atleast not to me. Um... On the Skyline ??? with 35 miles speed limit, gobs of cagers ? Skyline is a benign, easy ride. Some of in-out routes are little more difficult (211 for example), but still around middle on a skill-demainding routes scale. Some other in-out routes from BRP, in NC area or south of 33, are around 7/10 or 8/10, unless you insist on going really hard - theyn they will tax your skills. Anyway, Skyline is a picnic ride. Even at 75. If you try to go 100+, then it is decent road. But then, crash damage will not be limited to scratching fairing.... _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 10:43:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IEhU825580 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bernie.excite.com ([199.172.148.157]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000818144309.CIVG25214.bucky.excite.com@XXXXXX>; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:43:09 -0700 Message-ID: <23752313.966609789693.JavaMail.imail@bernie.excite.com> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:43:09 -0700 (PDT) From: rick osborn Reply-To: To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, Bill Huson Subject: Re: last night Cc: rick_s_osborn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.123.142.226 | Of course human anger comes into play when your life is threatened, | and anger intoxicates the judgement process. Can't knock you for that. | I just hope that in the future we can have the good sense to overcome | that. (we, because I too can easily make the same t ype of wrong | decision). | right. it's all easy to sit back when we're comfortable at our keyboards and say '...that's crazy.' but put this in context. tell me bill. have you never... ever... done the same thing? never stopped or got infuriated at someone for somehting they pulled? never swerved? never swore? never gestured? that i would find hard to believe. ___________________________________________ rick osborn 703.628.2064 (cell) rick_s_osborn@XXXXXX (mobile/desktop email) rsosborn@XXXXXX (alphanumeric pages) _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 10:52:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IEq1825788 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:51:50 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B87C6@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" , vtrman@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:42:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain If you organize a DCSR ride I would definentely go. All my experiences with those guys have been great. Also, if anyone is riding into DC to meet up on a weekend night, I would be up for that. As long as you can tolerate a white guy on a late model VFR! Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [SMTP:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 11:02 AM > To: vtrman@XXXXXX > Cc: Chuck Pena; Mark Kitchell; 'Corbett B'; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) > > On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:56:08 -0400, you wrote: > > |>I'm sorry but I just can't keep up with when you guys are just having > some > |>fun and when you're serious. Let me get this straight: Someone gets > robbed > |>at gunpoint, its funny; someone breaks the posted speed limit, they're a > |>hooligan that should be jailed. OK got it. > > LOL you've got them by the nads wth the vice of irony there! hehe > > |>I don't mean to trip so much on you personally Chuck, you know I think > |>you're alright. But it so happens that this guy is a friend of mine, > and I > |>was just SO close to have being there with him that night when it > happened, > > I was there, it wasn't funny.. and nor are the jokes. You're right, > it's not funny when you are the victim. > > |>which would have been I think the fourth time I've stared at the > business > |>end of a gun held by someone with a bad attitude, and then had to come > home > |>and explain to my wife why my nerves were so frazzled. > > hold on a sec, i'm counting... ok that would be the 6th or 7th time > for me. You'd think i'd be anti-gun by now? but nope, i'm pro-gun. > If law abiding citizens were allowed to carry i don't think the non > law abiding would be so brazen. If not scared, then darwinized. > here's gasoline, Let the gun thread burn baby! > > |>Consider the source? I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean, but > every > > I ddin't follow that line either.. I wondered.. is NY ave supposed > to be the official DCSR's location for meetings? it's not. Was it > because it was posted on DCSR's first that it's supposed to be their > problem, and not real? not serious? > > "the source of where it was posted first" really doesn't have anythng > to do with anything... I'm sure a few listers here have popular sport > bikes and have taken it into DC. It coudl have well happened to one > of us at a traffic light. Would the same insensative joke(s) be made? > I dont think so? > > it's kind of a shame that the blind disliking of DCSR as a group goes > so far as to make fun of a life threatening bike jacking, and excuse > that joke. > > For the stereo typers... I could organise an ride with DCSR where we > ride in just as organised as what could be put together here. Don't > assume it's just hooligansm of young fools. It's people who have jobs, > wear proper gear, and ride nice bikes. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 11:00:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IF0S825973 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:00:01 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B87C7@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Bike Night This Sunday Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:50:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain The weather is gonna be perfect....so ride into CarPool this Sunday at 5PM. Details at http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 11:00:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IF0l826001 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06301 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:00:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:00:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night In-Reply-To: <23752313.966609789693.JavaMail.imail@bernie.excite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > but put this in context. > tell me bill. > have you never... ever... done the same thing? > never stopped or got infuriated at someone for > somehting they pulled? > > never swerved? > never swore? > never gestured? > It doesn't change the fact that stopping to redress someone who's been driving erratically, and doing so in a vehicle several times the size of the vehicle you're riding is, well... nuts. I'm happy to hear that no one was killed, and there was /only/ $1500 of damage. I appreciate the sharing of the original story... let it be a warning for those of us (which is probably most) who ever have chance to get into confrontations on the road. $1500 worth of damange to your 2 wheeled treasure isn't worth the potential benefit of giving driving lessons to a stranger. It just isn't worth it. Whats the quote... "Ride to live. Live to ride." You can't ride if you're not living. What are the phone numbers for calling in road ragers? Those would be a good thing to have on speed dial on a cell phone. Anyone have a URL? Oh, and, I should be out on the road in the near future... getting a '92 VFR from friend in Boston. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 11:23:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f166.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IFNr826410 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:23:45 -0700 Received: from 64.241.20.139 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.241.20.139] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Be On the Lookout - Stolen Bike Details Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:23:45 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2000 15:23:45.0356 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C85E8C0:01C00928] I think a very important part of this theft was left out of the original post. I work with Cameron, he is the one that went off the road while looking back over his shoulder for his buddy and got his mellon rang and uttered to the officer that gave him the reckless ticket (breath). We are missing the point here and the point is, some crazies are armed and will KILL you for your bike (anyone see channel 9 news last night?). So it's not so much finding the bike, but if you do see it, realize the man may be VERY dangerous! And please be very aware of your surroundings. "Let's be careful out there" Razz '99 ZX9R '89 LTD454 '86 LTD454 www.conflictedinterest.com Cameron wrote: Razz, please post this with the club DC Cyles and help me spread the word. 11:01 am > >yes, it was me this happend to if that hasn't been confirmed. Lastnight at >checkers/exxon parking lot. two guys with a gun told everybody to get the >f*** down and not move! walked to the bike hopped on it and rode off. we >(12-15) were all stunned and nothing could've been done to prevent it. >beleive me if you were there im sure you sould agree. it was terrifying to >us all. no shit. more later. thanks to all who supported me and tried to locate or track the guys.thanks AJ for taking me home. peace, CAM >daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > |>Wow! And this all happened BEFORE the bike was stolen.... > > > > If my memory serves me... skyline drive does tend to have that affect > > on numerous bikes. I dont' really see anything to scoff at there.. > >I wasn't scoffing. I was bewildered. I don't understand the >circumstances under which a bike as new and as expensive as a 2000 >Suzuki GSXR2000 gets as much damage as described in so short a time. The >damage described did not sound as if it came from one Skyline Drive >crash, but rather from numerous incidents, some self-inflicted. On the >rare occasions that I have been fortunate to have a brand new >motorcycle, I've always tried to keep it "like new," and if something >happened beyond my control, I've had insurance on the bike to get it >fixed. I guess I'm most surprised that someone would buy a $8,000 >motorcycle and then *apparently* accept all the degradation to its >appearance that was described, all in a (maximum of) 4-5 months of >ownership. More to the point, if I were in that position, I might ask >myself if the bike I had bought was a little bit beyond my own >capabilities to handle properly. > > > would be different if it were from a show off wheelie or endo or > > something.. but still why knock tricksters.. if they're doing it on > > their own bike and not endangering anyone. > >No problem. It's a free country. Turbocharge and NOS a GSXR1300 >Hayabusa, if that's what makes you happy. I'm certainly not interested >in changing others opinions of the modifications I've made to my bike. >But I understand if they're bewildered, amused, or even if they scoff - >and they're entitled to their opinions. > > > > |>> The bike had aprox. 4,350 miles on it. > > |> > > |>Unbelievable. > > > > that's decent milage for a bike stamped 4/00 on the frame. Dunno when > > it was delivered... Of course i've put about 1400 miles on my bike in > > this past 7 days.. so... maybe not. > >I wasn't commenting on whether the bike had been ridden "enough" or not, >just - again - that so much cosmetic damage had been sustained in so >short a period of time. If nothing else, it would make me very sad every >time I looked at the bike if I were in that position. > >Tim ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 11:41:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IFfi826921 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:41:23 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B87CD@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Razz Man'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Be On the Lookout - Stolen Bike Details Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:32:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey Razz...first post I have seen from you in a while. I hope you are going to be at Bike Night. Re-reading his post, that most have been really scary. I have ridden to that Checkers a few times and can imagine it happening. All this publicity about sport bikes is not a good thing! Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Razz Man [SMTP:razzsounds@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 11:24 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Be On the Lookout - Stolen Bike Details > > I think a very important part of this theft was left out of the original > post. I work with Cameron, he is the one that went off the road while > looking back over his shoulder for his buddy and got his mellon rang and > uttered to the officer that gave him the reckless ticket (breath). > We are missing the point here and the point is, some crazies are armed and > > will KILL you for your bike (anyone see channel 9 news last night?). So > it's > not so much finding the bike, but if you do see it, realize the man may be > > VERY dangerous! And please be very aware of your surroundings. > > "Let's be careful out there" > > Razz > '99 ZX9R > '89 LTD454 > '86 LTD454 > www.conflictedinterest.com > > > Cameron wrote: > > Razz, please post this with the club DC Cyles and help me spread the word. > 11:01 am > > > >yes, it was me this happend to if that hasn't been confirmed. Lastnight > at > >checkers/exxon parking lot. two guys with a gun told everybody to get the > > >f*** down and not move! walked to the bike hopped on it and rode off. we > >(12-15) were all stunned and nothing could've been done to prevent it. > >beleive me if you were there im sure you sould agree. it was terrifying > to > >us all. no shit. more later. > thanks to all who supported me and tried to locate or track the > guys.thanks > AJ > for taking me home. peace, CAM > > > > > >daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > |>Wow! And this all happened BEFORE the bike was stolen.... > > > > > > If my memory serves me... skyline drive does tend to have that affect > > > on numerous bikes. I dont' really see anything to scoff at there.. > > > >I wasn't scoffing. I was bewildered. I don't understand the > >circumstances under which a bike as new and as expensive as a 2000 > >Suzuki GSXR2000 gets as much damage as described in so short a time. The > >damage described did not sound as if it came from one Skyline Drive > >crash, but rather from numerous incidents, some self-inflicted. On the > >rare occasions that I have been fortunate to have a brand new > >motorcycle, I've always tried to keep it "like new," and if something > >happened beyond my control, I've had insurance on the bike to get it > >fixed. I guess I'm most surprised that someone would buy a $8,000 > >motorcycle and then *apparently* accept all the degradation to its > >appearance that was described, all in a (maximum of) 4-5 months of > >ownership. More to the point, if I were in that position, I might ask > >myself if the bike I had bought was a little bit beyond my own > >capabilities to handle properly. > > > > > would be different if it were from a show off wheelie or endo or > > > something.. but still why knock tricksters.. if they're doing it on > > > their own bike and not endangering anyone. > > > >No problem. It's a free country. Turbocharge and NOS a GSXR1300 > >Hayabusa, if that's what makes you happy. I'm certainly not interested > >in changing others opinions of the modifications I've made to my bike. > >But I understand if they're bewildered, amused, or even if they scoff - > >and they're entitled to their opinions. > > > > > > |>> The bike had aprox. 4,350 miles on it. > > > |> > > > |>Unbelievable. > > > > > > that's decent milage for a bike stamped 4/00 on the frame. Dunno when > > > it was delivered... Of course i've put about 1400 miles on my bike in > > > this past 7 days.. so... maybe not. > > > >I wasn't commenting on whether the bike had been ridden "enough" or not, > >just - again - that so much cosmetic damage had been sustained in so > >short a period of time. If nothing else, it would make me very sad every > >time I looked at the bike if I were in that position. > > > >Tim > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 11:59:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IFx1827300 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-238-21.s21.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.238.21]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13PoXk-0001sQ-00; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:58:52 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Be On the Lookout - Stolen Bike Details Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:04:44 GMT Message-ID: <399e8822.396529632@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000818135507.20835.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000818135507.20835.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7IFx8827301 |>> I don't know about you, but i'd still ride it, and |>> post the details about it if I got jacked for it. |> |>this was the bike that was 'jacked? wow. |> |>i'm not sure i'd want it back unless it was uninsured. |> whoever took it was crazy enough to be ready to kill |>for it, so i doubt it will be cared for very well. Even if someone totalled my bike, i'd want it back..as a cheaply baught salvage title project bike... if not to restore, then to sell for parts, or have spare parts. i'd of course by the same bike new :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 12:00:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IG0i827413 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-238-21.s21.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.238.21]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13PoZU-0002Bs-00; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:00:41 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" Cc: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: crash damage (was: lookout for ...) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:06:32 GMT Message-ID: <399f8919.396776552@smtp.erols.com> References: <39a15517.383460237@smtp.erols.com> <20000818102730.A16209@kleks.org> In-Reply-To: <20000818102730.A16209@kleks.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7IG0k827414 It may have been 211, i'm not sure. you'd have to ask big matty, but i know it was one of those roads people go to enjoy leaning their bike :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 12:03:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IG3h827459 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-238-21.s21.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.238.21]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13PocN-0002cG-00; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:03:39 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Kirk Roy Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: crash damage (was: lookout for ...) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:09:31 GMT Message-ID: <39a08980.396879067@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7IG3i827460 Kirk I agree with you. when i said about the rule determining fault, i didn't mean to imply one shouldn't analyze the accident. One definitely should, and should learn from it. Also was saying you can't blame a mere road. "the road curved too much".. not the road's fault, your fault :) corse that wasn't the case this time. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 12:06:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IG6p827604 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-238-21.s21.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.238.21]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13PofN-0002z2-00; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:06:45 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Bill Huson Cc: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: crash damage (was: lookout for ...) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:12:36 GMT Message-ID: <39a18a23.397042842@smtp.erols.com> References: <399D33F5.8C414A8@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <399D33F5.8C414A8@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7IG6r827605 |>I agree. My one serious accident *might* have ben avoided. The geezer got I agree. The actual cause wasnt' your fault, yet at the same time, you could have avoided it. That's like my ex girlfriend (satan-ette), got into an accident because she didn't believe in letting people over, and believed it was ok to drive side by side with another car.. unfortunately she was generally ok From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 12:37:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash2.flashmail.com [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7IGbC828124 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14206 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2000 16:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.36.153.179) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2000 16:36:25 -0000 Message-ID: <399D6611.5F6095E7@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:36:33 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: vtrman@XXXXXX, Chuck Pena , Mark Kitchell , "'Corbett B'" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) References: <001f01c008bf$dbca0700$1f1b5aa6@oemcomputer> <399d4993.380512292@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > You'd think i'd be anti-gun by now? but nope, i'm pro-gun. > If law abiding citizens were allowed to carry i don't think the non > law abiding would be so brazen. If not scared, then darwinized. > here's gasoline, Let the gun thread burn baby! Not burning here, I agree with you. I'm pro-gun. This generation of kids that's busy shooting up their schools/teachers/classmates/ zoos is the same generation that probably didn't have toy guns to play with as kids, because it wasn't PC. Guess what, folks, now they are playing with the real things... Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 12:53:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7IGrp828407 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000818165344.8082.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.234] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:53:44 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:53:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Be On the Lookout - Stolen Bike Details To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > |>this was the bike that was 'jacked? wow. > |> > |>i'm not sure i'd want it back unless it was > |>uninsured. > |>whoever took it was crazy enough to be ready to > |>kill > |>for it, so i doubt it will be cared for very well. > > Even if someone totalled my bike, i'd want it > back..as a cheaply > baught salvage title project bike... if not to > restore, then to sell > for parts, or have spare parts. i'd of course by the > same bike new :) the problem with this is that if you go looking for the bike, you just may find it -- before the 30 day waiting period has expired, but before it is 'totalled' (by an insurance adjuster's standards)....then what you'll own is a repaired bike that you don't want -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 13:02:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IH28828618 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-238-21.s21.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.238.21]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13PovR-0005Jh-00; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:23:21 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Mark Kitchell Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: wheelie contest - budds creek - was Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:29:12 GMT Message-ID: <39a28b26.397301392@smtp.erols.com> References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B87C6@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B87C6@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7IH2C828619 We have 2 events, this saturday and sunday. Saturday we are riding to baltimore to the stone soul music festival at druid hill park. If you ride with my group, we wont' be hitting tripple digit speeds.. just a reasonable speed for traffic. We havne't determined when/where we are going to meet on that one yet. likely to be something like 12 p.m at oxon hill checkers, do the ride 55 thing real quick then up to bmore. If they break off and do tripple digits, me and my few will stay in double digits. Sunday we are riding to the drag strip/wheelie contest, but got rained out. We went 2 weekends ago i think it was. We rode staggered formation not exceeding 60 mph. I think it's safe to assume the same will happen this sunday. If you come I'll be the white guy with the black jacket with red and white flame patterns on it. (see today's washington post printed edition for a picture ) here is a forward of the aunnouncement of the ride to the track: Superbike Shootout/Wheelie Contest this Sunday! We got rained out at the last event, so it was rescheduled to this Sunday, August 20th. If you want to ride down with DC Sportbike, we will be meeting at the Fairlanes in Clinton, Md. at 10:30am. We will be pulling out at 10:45 SHARP! Directions to the bowling alley are, from 495/95 take the Branch Ave. exit towards Waldorf. Continue about 2 miles to the Kirby Rd. exit. The Fairlanes will be on your left. Directions to the track are below. GC President DC Sportbike Mir Raceway http://www.mirdrag.com/ >From the D.C. Metropolitan Area, take the Beltway I-95 to exit 7A (Branch Avenue). South 30 miles to the traffic light at Route 234, then left 7 miles to MIR in Budds Creek, MD. >From north of Washington DC, follow I-95 south to Maryland exit 7A (Branch Avenue). South 30 miles to the traffic light at Route 234, then left 7 miles to MIR in Budds Creek, MD. >From Richmond, follow I-95 north to the Virginia exit 104 (Bowling Green). Follow 301 north into Maryland to the traffic light at Route 234, then right 7 miles to MIR in Budds Creek, MD. |>If you organize a DCSR ride I would definentely go. All my experiences with |>those guys have been great. Also, if anyone is riding into DC to meet up on |>a weekend night, I would be up for that. As long as you can tolerate a |>white guy on a late model VFR! From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 13:15:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f104.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IHFg828859 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:15:34 -0700 Received: from 64.241.20.139 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.241.20.139] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Be On the Lookout - Stolen Bike Details Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:15:34 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2000 17:15:34.0704 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB9B2B00:01C00937] I'm still here, haven't posted for a while, been to busy at work. I'm the only IT guy for 300 users AND running the network. So, any of you other motorcycle / IT "gang" members need another NT Administrator? I will be at Bike Night on Sunday. I had a band thing and couldn't make the last one. Razz '99 ZX9R '89 LTD454 '86 LTD454 www.conflictedinterest.com >Hey Razz...first post I have seen from you in a while. I hope you are >going >to be at Bike Night. > >Re-reading his post, that most have been really scary. I have ridden to >that Checkers a few times and can imagine it happening. All this publicity >about sport bikes is not a good thing! > >Mark > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 13:38:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IHcL829276 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (parachute3-156-40-62-119.net.nih.gov [156.40.62.119]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA2344262; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399D746F.CF032BDA@radix.net> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:37:51 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, vtrman@XXXXXX, Chuck Pena , Mark Kitchell , "'Corbett B'" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) References: <001f01c008bf$dbca0700$1f1b5aa6@oemcomputer> <399d4993.380512292@smtp.erols.com> <399D6611.5F6095E7@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > Not burning here, I agree with you. I'm pro-gun. I own dozens of firearms. I'm not pro gun, I'm pro Constitution. > This generation > of kids that's busy shooting up their schools/teachers/classmates/ > zoos is the same generation that probably didn't have toy guns to play > with as kids, because it wasn't PC. I think more the cause is that they had parents too damn lazy to put an arse whuppin' on their linoleum lizards when they stepped outta line. I had my arse whipped many, many times by my step dad, at least 3 of those times were way too severe, so I understand the reluctance to use corporal punishment. Nonetheless, boys in particular need to be shown 1st hand what the consequences CAN BE for not abiding by the rules. Yeah, I'm bitter about having my butt whipped to this day, but I respect my parents immensely, they had a very tough job. I think they did a pretty good job keeping me straight. I know there are consequences, so I abide by the rules. > Guess what, folks, now they > are playing with the real things... Hate to say this, but really, they've just been conditioned to expect that they can get away with general hooliganism. Let's face it, kids are like pets, if they can get away with it, they'll keep doing it. That said, just like with hooliganism on a bike, you run the risk of getting caught & punished. As much as I hate to weigh in on Rick Osborn (sp?) 's little road side confrontation, I can *understand* that feeling of the 'need to teach the moron a lesson'. I'm not saying I approve, just that I understand. Too many parents using the TV as a baby sitter. Too much moaning & complaining about how hard it is to raise a kid. 'shoulda thought about that before you started playing hide the sausage... ok. I'm through pontificating... -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 13:48:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web214.mail.yahoo.com (web214.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7IHmR829515 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3555 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Aug 2000 17:48:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20000818174824.3554.qmail@web214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.17.42.156] by web214.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:48:24 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:48:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Braunstein Subject: Competition Accessories Discount for AMA Members To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just found out that as of last week, Competition Accessories is offering a 10% discount on MOST items to AMA members (and we're not talking about the American Medical Association here). Of course, certain exceptions apply, such as with tires, sales items, taxes/shipping, etc.. The direct # for AMA members is 800-543-4710. Just thought I'd pass the word. And no...I am NOT getting any sort of kickback for publicizing this!!! Just trying to pass some good savings on to my fellow motorcycle buddies (and buddy-ettes)!! Glenn Braunstein 98 VFR 800 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 13:49:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IHnF829535 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13PqFp-00060f-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:48:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:49:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B87C6@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > If you organize a DCSR ride I would definentely go. All my experiences with > those guys have been great. Also, if anyone is riding into DC to meet up on > a weekend night, I would be up for that. As long as you can tolerate a > white guy on a late model VFR! > > Mark Effing white guys on late model VFRs make me want to hurl! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 13:58:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IHwd829720 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-08.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.72]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA31462; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399DA49A.2C389183@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:03:22 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn Braunstein CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Competition Accessories Discount for AMA Members References: <20000818174824.3554.qmail@web214.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But haven't you also had problems with ordering from Competition Accessories??? Glenn Braunstein wrote: > > I just found out that as of last week, Competition > Accessories is offering a 10% discount on MOST items > to AMA members (and we're not talking about the > American Medical Association here). Of course, > certain exceptions apply, such as with tires, sales > items, taxes/shipping, etc.. The direct # for AMA > members is 800-543-4710. > > Just thought I'd pass the word. And no...I am NOT > getting any sort of kickback for publicizing this!!! > Just trying to pass some good savings on to my fellow > motorcycle buddies (and buddy-ettes)!! From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 14:14:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web213.mail.yahoo.com (web213.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.113]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7IIEn800110 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26419 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Aug 2000 18:14:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000818181446.26418.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.17.42.156] by web213.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:14:46 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:14:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Braunstein Subject: Re: Sportbikes...Front Page Metro Section To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Clip from that article: "...and increasing numbers of people are drawn to motorcycles that can travel at speeds almost three times the legal speed limit..." Hmmm...let's see. 35 mph x 3 = ... Well, darn...that's only 105 mph!! What are they riding...Harleys?!? Certainly not "crotch-rockets". And certainly not my beloved VFR which, according to the TV clip last month, "reaches speeds in excess of 170 mph"!! Glenn B. 98 VFR 800 ...which I'm still hoping to get up to the 170 mph that tv clip told me I can do!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 14:19:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7IIJB800224 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000818181904.12424.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:19:04 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:19:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: See ya. To: vtrman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Big Matty wrote: > the list is just a bit too negative for me. geez...... I just deleted allot of posts from thur/past...... happened to have your name attached as sender.... and the content has no condescending - negative overtones???? or was that your campaign manager sending those posts? :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 14:25:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web213.mail.yahoo.com (web213.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.113]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7IIPc800340 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28325 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Aug 2000 18:25:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000818182536.28324.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.17.42.156] by web213.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:25:36 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:25:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Braunstein Subject: Re: Competition Accessories Discount for AMA Members To: Chuck Pena Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, uhh, yeah. I was hoping you wouldn't mention that...but I just can't get anything passed you, Chuck! ;-) I will admit...and I've shared these frustrations with a few of you...they have screwed up a few of my orders (albeit a couple of them to my benefit!) And although it has been frustrating a couple times, they have rectified their screw-ups each and every time. It's a hassle to have to ship stuff back and provide proof of shipping costs to them for reimbursement when they do ship the wrong item...but again, at least they've honored the reimbursements with no problem. I still think their selection and pricing (especially with the AMA discount) is great, and so I will continue to order from them myself. But I'll most likely avoid apparel that I haven't yet had a chance of trying on...I'll try to do so only after trying stuff on at a local store and knowing the exact size I need. But for all other accessories, I have no qualm of giving them yet another shot. GB --- Chuck Pena wrote: > But haven't you also had problems with ordering from > Competition > Accessories??? > > Glenn Braunstein wrote: > > > > I just found out that as of last week, Competition > > Accessories is offering a 10% discount on MOST > items > > to AMA members (and we're not talking about the > > American Medical Association here). Of course, > > certain exceptions apply, such as with tires, > sales > > items, taxes/shipping, etc.. The direct # for AMA > > members is 800-543-4710. > > > > Just thought I'd pass the word. And no...I am N __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 14:29:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IITv800425 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-08.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.72]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02701; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399DAC1F.8620479C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:35:27 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn Braunstein CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sportbikes...Front Page Metro Section References: <20000818181446.26418.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Conversely... In some areas the legal speed limit is 65mph. 65 x 3 = 195mph! Don't know of any stock m/c's that can go that fast. For sure, not Glenn's VFR. Well maybe, on a severe downhill with a BIG tailwind! %^) Glenn Braunstein wrote: > > Clip from that article: > "...and increasing numbers of people > are drawn to motorcycles that can travel at > speeds almost three times the legal speed limit..." > > Hmmm...let's see. 35 mph x 3 = ... Well, > darn...that's only 105 mph!! What are they > riding...Harleys?!? Certainly not "crotch-rockets". > And certainly not my beloved VFR which, according to > the TV clip last month, "reaches speeds in excess of > 170 mph"!! > > Glenn B. > 98 VFR 800 ...which I'm still hoping to get up to the > 170 mph that tv clip told me I can do!! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 14:36:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IIan800596 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-08.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.72]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14640; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399DAD6A.851C5BF7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:40:58 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn Braunstein CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Competition Accessories Discount for AMA Members References: <20000818182536.28324.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wanted to get a sense of balance between pricing and customer service. I'm willing to pay a little (but not a lot) more for good or better customer service. Too many times, the frustration of dealing with bad customer services doesn't make up for a small cost savings. What would be interesting to know is how cost competitive Competition Accessories is (with the AMA discount) with other places -- the usual suspects such as Chapparal, but also some of the smaller (and very competitive) outfits that some of us have done biz with, e.g., Kiernan Racing, Dixie Cycles, etc. My own experience is that none of the "big" mail order places could beat pricing from either of the above two. Chuck Glenn Braunstein wrote : > > Well, uhh, yeah. I was hoping you wouldn't mention > that...but I just can't get anything passed you, > Chuck! ;-) From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 15:01:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IJ1S801083 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-215-190.s444.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.215.190] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13PrOP-000157-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:01:25 -0400 Message-ID: <00bb01c00946$18f453c0$0dd43ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <20000818174824.3554.qmail@web214.mail.yahoo.com> <399DA49A.2C389183@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Competition Accessories Discount for AMA Members Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:56:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 So have I. Saddle bags on back order for almost two months now. I'm about to tell them to forget it. They may have a low price, but if they never send the goods, what's the use. I've called about it several times and they keep saying "they'll be in from the manufacturer next week." Next week comes and goes and still no bags. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Pena > But haven't you also had problems with ordering from Competition > Accessories??? > > Glenn Braunstein wrote: > > > > I just found out that as of last week, Competition > > Accessories is offering a 10% discount on MOST items From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 16:08:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3604.mail.yahoo.com (web3604.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7IK8r802302 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000818200841.6323.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web3604.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:08:41 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:08:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Sportbikes...Front Page Metro Section To: Chuck Pena , Glenn Braunstein Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Or in WV on I-81 its 70 MPH so that's 210 MPH! Glenn --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Conversely... In some areas the legal speed limit > is 65mph. 65 x 3 = > 195mph! Don't know of any stock m/c's that can go > that fast. For sure, > not Glenn's VFR. Well maybe, on a severe downhill > with a BIG tailwind! > %^) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 16:21:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5202.mail.yahoo.com ([216.115.106.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7IKLa802542 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000818202121.12890.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.113] by web5202.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:21:21 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:21:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Daniel- I've got nothing against the DCSR Boyz, I just don't know 'em.. (It's easier to stereotype folks you've never met.) You planning on hauling your ass up to Carpool on Sunday? Bring any of the DCSR crew too & introduce yourselves. Hope to see you there. -Corbett '99 K1200RS --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:56:08 -0400, you wrote: > > |>I'm sorry but I just can't keep up with when you > guys are just having some > |>fun and when you're serious. Let me get this > straight: Someone gets robbed > |>at gunpoint, its funny; someone breaks the posted > speed limit, they're a > |>hooligan that should be jailed. OK got it. > > LOL you've got them by the nads wth the vice of > irony there! hehe > > |>I don't mean to trip so much on you personally > Chuck, you know I think > |>you're alright. But it so happens that this guy > is a friend of mine, and I > |>was just SO close to have being there with him > that night when it happened, > > I was there, it wasn't funny.. and nor are the > jokes. You're right, > it's not funny when you are the victim. > > |>which would have been I think the fourth time I've > stared at the business > |>end of a gun held by someone with a bad attitude, > and then had to come home > |>and explain to my wife why my nerves were so > frazzled. > > hold on a sec, i'm counting... ok that would be the > 6th or 7th time > for me. You'd think i'd be anti-gun by now? but > nope, i'm pro-gun. > If law abiding citizens were allowed to carry i > don't think the non > law abiding would be so brazen. If not scared, then > darwinized. > here's gasoline, Let the gun thread burn baby! > > |>Consider the source? I'm not sure what that's > supposed to mean, but every > > I ddin't follow that line either.. I wondered.. > is NY ave supposed > to be the official DCSR's location for meetings? > it's not. Was it > because it was posted on DCSR's first that it's > supposed to be their > problem, and not real? not serious? > > "the source of where it was posted first" really > doesn't have anythng > to do with anything... I'm sure a few listers here > have popular sport > bikes and have taken it into DC. It coudl have well > happened to one > of us at a traffic light. Would the same > insensative joke(s) be made? > I dont think so? > > it's kind of a shame that the blind disliking of > DCSR as a group goes > so far as to make fun of a life threatening bike > jacking, and excuse > that joke. > > For the stereo typers... I could organise an ride > with DCSR where we > ride in just as organised as what could be put > together here. Don't > assume it's just hooligansm of young fools. It's > people who have jobs, > wear proper gear, and ride nice bikes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 16:34:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IKYF802726 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-238-21.s21.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.238.21]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Psq9-0005F5-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:34:09 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: R6 in roslynn Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:40:01 GMT Message-ID: <39a4c88e.413024237@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7IKYI802727 A friend of mine says he sees an r6 in rosylnn that looks suspicious... he said ti's blue and white and the rider has a non matching yellow helmet. he said he parked facing the wrong way of the street and up on the sidewalk. he said the tag is pushed up under the seat. There is right side fairing damage. he said the rider just got off the bike and wlaked away with his helmet still on. If anyone had an r6 stolen, let me know annd i'll pass on my friends name and number. I suggested he call the police and have them check it out. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 16:42:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IKg3802892 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-238-21.s21.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.238.21]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Psxl-0006Qv-00; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:42:01 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Corbett B Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:47:53 GMT Message-ID: <39a7cafb.413645032@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000818202121.12890.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000818202121.12890.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7IKgI802897 |>I've got nothing against the DCSR Boyz, I just don't |>know 'em.. (It's easier to stereotype folks you've |>never met.) You planning on hauling your ass up to |>Carpool on Sunday? Bring any of the DCSR crew too & |>introduce yourselves. Hope to see you there. not me. I have an aversion to va. a few went the last time. maybe matty can point out a few that may attend next time. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 16:59:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5202.mail.yahoo.com ([216.115.106.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7IKxe803313 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000818205932.18650.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.113] by web5202.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:59:32 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:59:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) To: Dave Yates Cc: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Now you've done it! "GUN NIGHT" next week on "Weapons Wednesday" 5 p.m. - 'til you pry the gun outta my cold dead fingers $2 Coors "Silver Bullet" cans...and the empties are good for target practice Join us for: -Kevlar Fashion Show -the latest in ballistic nylon accessories -Meet "Little Joe" Jablonsky author of "Bounty Hunting for Fun and Profit" -Bianchi rep showcases latest "formal wear" holsters (Sponsored by Just Kidding Productions) See ya there! -Corbett '96 P226 --- Dave Yates wrote: > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Not burning here, I agree with you. I'm pro-gun. > > I own dozens of firearms. I'm not pro gun, I'm > pro Constitution. > > > > This generation > > of kids that's busy shooting up their > schools/teachers/classmates/ > > zoos is the same generation that probably didn't > have toy guns to play > > with as kids, because it wasn't PC. > > I think more the cause is that they had parents > too damn lazy to put > an arse whuppin' on their linoleum lizards when they > stepped outta line. > I had my arse whipped many, many times by my step > dad, at least 3 of those > times were way too severe, so I understand the > reluctance to use corporal > punishment. Nonetheless, boys in particular need to > be shown 1st hand > what the consequences CAN BE for not abiding by the > rules. Yeah, I'm > bitter about having my butt whipped to this day, but > I respect my parents > immensely, they had a very tough job. I think they > did a pretty good job > keeping me straight. I know there are consequences, > so I abide by the > rules. > > > > Guess what, folks, now they > > are playing with the real things... > > Hate to say this, but really, they've just been > conditioned to expect > that they can get away with general hooliganism. > Let's face it, kids are > like pets, if they can get away with it, they'll > keep doing it. That > said, just like with hooliganism on a bike, you run > the risk of getting > caught & punished. As much as I hate to weigh in on > Rick Osborn (sp?) 's > little road side confrontation, I can *understand* > that feeling of the > 'need to teach the moron a lesson'. I'm not saying > I approve, just that I > understand. > > Too many parents using the TV as a baby sitter. Too > much moaning & > complaining about how hard it is to raise a kid. > 'shoulda thought about > that before you started playing hide the sausage... > > ok. I'm through pontificating... > > -- > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 > MVS Systems Programmer > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 17:03:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IL3Y803400 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-89.patriot.net [209.249.180.89]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7IL2qF06427; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:02:52 -0400 Message-ID: <399DA27F.A28FA0F7@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:54:24 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rick_s_osborn@XXXXXX CC: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night References: <23752313.966609789693.JavaMail.imail@bernie.excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rick osborn wrote: > > right. > it's all easy to sit back when we're > comfortable at our keyboards > and say '...that's crazy.' > > but put this in context. > tell me bill. > have you never... ever... done the same thing? > never stopped or got infuriated at someone for > somehting they pulled? > Oh yeah, man! Several folks on this list know me personally, and I'm *sure* they'll attest to the fact that I'm a world class hothead! The list of bars I've trashed becasue they served flat beer is endless!!! Like I have a major temper... *yawn* (The above drips sarcasm) > > never swerved? Swerving to avoid an obsticle in the road is a skill a mototcyclist must aquire and practice .Swerving a 600# bike to threaten a 4000# vehicle is nuts. > never swore? FUCK NO! Well, when I stub my toe.... > never gestured? Hell yeah! I tape my giggie finger with retroreflective tape for those night gestures. that i would find hard to believe. I find it hard to believe one would intentionally get in a physical pissing match with someone who has been demonstrating a wee bit of loonyism. When I see a loony on the road I back off far enough so I can enjoy watching them crash or get yanked by the law. And yes, when I scoot by I laugh VERY LOUDLY. I might even yell "Dumb Fuck" Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 17:17:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (paleoalterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ILHR803681 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [153.39.169.152] by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool169-152.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.169.152]) id QQjcvd26583; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:17:23 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dsnyder@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000818205932.18650.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20000818205932.18650.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:17:19 -0400 To: Corbett B From: "Dan J. Snyder" Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Cc: DC Cycles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I'll be there with my new Benelli. :-) Dan 00 RSV At 1:59 PM -0700 8/18/00, Corbett B wrote: >Now you've done it! > >"GUN NIGHT" next week on "Weapons Wednesday" > >5 p.m. - 'til you pry the gun outta my cold dead >fingers > >$2 Coors "Silver Bullet" cans...and the empties are >good for target practice > >Join us for: >-Kevlar Fashion Show >-the latest in ballistic nylon accessories >-Meet "Little Joe" Jablonsky author of "Bounty Hunting >for Fun and Profit" >-Bianchi rep showcases latest "formal wear" holsters > >(Sponsored by Just Kidding Productions) > >See ya there! > >-Corbett '96 P226 > >--- Dave Yates wrote: > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > > Not burning here, I agree with you. I'm pro-gun. > > > > I own dozens of firearms. I'm not pro gun, I'm > > pro Constitution. > > > > > > > This generation > > > of kids that's busy shooting up their > > schools/teachers/classmates/ > > > zoos is the same generation that probably didn't > > have toy guns to play > > > with as kids, because it wasn't PC. > > > > I think more the cause is that they had parents > > too damn lazy to put > > an arse whuppin' on their linoleum lizards when they > > stepped outta line. > > I had my arse whipped many, many times by my step > > dad, at least 3 of those > > times were way too severe, so I understand the > > reluctance to use corporal > > punishment. Nonetheless, boys in particular need to > > be shown 1st hand > > what the consequences CAN BE for not abiding by the > > rules. Yeah, I'm > > bitter about having my butt whipped to this day, but > > I respect my parents > > immensely, they had a very tough job. I think they > > did a pretty good job > > keeping me straight. I know there are consequences, > > so I abide by the > > rules. > > > > > > > Guess what, folks, now they > > > are playing with the real things... > > > > Hate to say this, but really, they've just been > > conditioned to expect > > that they can get away with general hooliganism. > > Let's face it, kids are > > like pets, if they can get away with it, they'll > > keep doing it. That > > said, just like with hooliganism on a bike, you run > > the risk of getting > > caught & punished. As much as I hate to weigh in on > > Rick Osborn (sp?) 's > > little road side confrontation, I can *understand* > > that feeling of the > > 'need to teach the moron a lesson'. I'm not saying > > I approve, just that I > > understand. > > > > Too many parents using the TV as a baby sitter. Too > > much moaning & > > complaining about how hard it is to raise a kid. > > 'shoulda thought about > > that before you started playing hide the sausage... > > > > ok. I'm through pontificating... > > > > -- > > Dave Yates > > '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 > > MVS Systems Programmer > > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 17:29:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ILTq803895 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va26-02.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.130]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21160; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399DD5CA.48E4FF7A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:33:15 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Corbett B CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) References: <20000818205932.18650.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there gonna be any real shooting??? %^) Sign me up! Wahoo! Chuck Corbett B wrote: > > Now you've done it! > > "GUN NIGHT" next week on "Weapons Wednesday" > > 5 p.m. - 'til you pry the gun outta my cold dead > fingers > > $2 Coors "Silver Bullet" cans...and the empties are > good for target practice > > Join us for: > -Kevlar Fashion Show > -the latest in ballistic nylon accessories > -Meet "Little Joe" Jablonsky author of "Bounty Hunting > for Fun and Profit" > -Bianchi rep showcases latest "formal wear" holsters > > (Sponsored by Just Kidding Productions) -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 17:51:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ILpT804373 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va26-02.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.130]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA28583; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399DDAD7.82BE17E4@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:54:47 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dan J. Snyder" CC: Corbett B , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) References: <20000818205932.18650.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tornado? Or shotgun? %^) BTW, is concealed carry kosher for this event??? "Dan J. Snyder" wrote: > > I'll be there with my new Benelli. > :-) > > Dan > 00 RSV > > At 1:59 PM -0700 8/18/00, Corbett B wrote: > >Now you've done it! > > > >"GUN NIGHT" next week on "Weapons Wednesday" -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 19:07:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7IN75805647 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-212-149.s530.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.212.149] helo=l4rite) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13PvDu-0007Rw-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:06:50 -0400 Message-ID: <01c001c00968$e37f6680$8483a4d8@l4rite> From: "L4rite" To: References: Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:06:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I want to see someone on a chopper do a stoppie.....now that would be a show....later Les From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 20:49:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com (mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.146]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7J0na807285 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from t1d4o4 (d185d1512.rochester.rr.com [24.93.21.18]) by mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA07047; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001b01c00977$5743e740$12155d18@rochester.rr.com> From: "David VFR Thompson" To: Cc: Subject: Re WV Rte 72 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:49:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Yup! it's twisty! It is also very narrow, single lane in some spots & likely to have lots of loose stones in the turns. There are quite a few blind turns too. For all of that, it's scenic and if you're not in a hurry, it's worth a ride. The road (and many more) is reviewed on The North American Sportbike Road Registry http://www.execpc.com/~ytk/ David "RoutemeiSTer" Thompson Dthomps1@XXXXXX http://home.rochester.rr.com/backroads/ Rochester NY Age 62 Retired Xeroid AMA# 504560 STOC# 840 Current STable 90 Suzuki DR350S 91 Honda ST1100 94 Honda VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 21:05:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com (mailout1-0.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7J15E807617 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from t1d4o4 (d185d1512.rochester.rr.com [24.93.21.18]) by mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA08920 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002701c00979$8812cc40$12155d18@rochester.rr.com> From: "David VFR Thompson" To: Subject: Re: Northern Pennsylvania trip report Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:05:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Bill S wrote (in Part).....Wilderness in mid-north PA could make for a great foliage trip. Several folks said it isn't jammed during the season -- "most of the heavy traffic stays in the Poconos". But there are Sept/Oct events throughout the area. And a renowned gliderport near State College....... Your impressions of North Central PA are pretty accurate. While chip seal (and loose stones when it's freshly applied) is endemic in that area, there's some beautiful riding, especially Mid-October. If you're interested, I have a 360mi loop that begins/ends in the small town of St Marys, ~ 50 mi west from Williamsport. I ran the route last weekend with members from the VFR list & found the roads to be in pretty good shape. The route passes through Renovo, about 5 mi West from Hyner View State Park, which has a spectacular view of the Susquehanna river and mobs of hang gliders on sunny days. There's an over-view map on my web page (look for the VFRRR ride under VFR invitational rides). If it interests you, I can E-mail detailed, turn-by-turn maps. Check the Return To Accident ride to see samples of the detail maps. David "RoutemeiSTer" Thompson Dthomps1@XXXXXX http://home.rochester.rr.com/backroads/ Rochester NY Age 62 Retired Xeroid AMA# 504560 STOC# 840 Current STable 90 Suzuki DR350S 91 Honda ST1100 94 Honda VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 21:25:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7J1PZ807885 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27868 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Aug 2000 01:31:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20000819013144.27867.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.196.43] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:31:44 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:31:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Air-Tech To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm considering replacing the cracked fairings on my CBR, and saw that Air- Tech has very good prices. Has anyone ever ordered from them before? How is the quality and fit? How is their "color gel coating"? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I got an estimate from a body shop, but it was $100 more than the $200 lower fairing from Airtech. Thanks, Adam Reinhardt 89 CBR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 21:50:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7J1oM808370 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-89.patriot.net [209.249.180.89]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7J1oHF01164; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:50:18 -0400 Message-ID: <399DE5DE.B7F4F35C@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:41:50 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David VFR Thompson CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Northern Pennsylvania trip report References: <002701c00979$8812cc40$12155d18@rochester.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Labor Day weekend there's a large outboard race in Loch Haven PA. Camping on the other side of the river - where the race pits are. You can actually go into the race pits and chat with the crazies who race these small boats. On the LH side there's a lotta food, carnival, bands, all that stuff. Beer on the camping side. Tis a must for someone looking for a different weekend. Unlike those *yawn* inboard events, the racing is almost constant. Probably run 30/40 heats a day. Bill Former Region 4 high point champion, 15 Super Stock Hydro David VFR Thompson wrote: > Bill S wrote (in Part).....Wilderness in mid-north PA could make for a great > foliage trip. Several folks said it isn't jammed during the season -- "most > of the heavy traffic stays in the Poconos". But there are Sept/Oct events > throughout the area. And a renowned gliderport near State College....... > > Your impressions of North Central PA are pretty accurate. While chip seal > (and loose stones when it's freshly applied) is endemic in that area, > there's some beautiful riding, especially Mid-October. > > If you're interested, I have a 360mi loop that begins/ends in the small town > of St Marys, ~ 50 mi west from Williamsport. I ran the route last weekend > with members from the VFR list & found the roads to be in pretty good shape. > The route passes through Renovo, about 5 mi West from Hyner View State Park, > which has a spectacular view of the Susquehanna river and mobs of hang > gliders on sunny days. There's an over-view map on my web page (look for > the VFRRR ride under VFR invitational rides). If it interests you, I can > E-mail detailed, turn-by-turn maps. Check the Return To Accident ride to > see samples of the detail maps. > > David "RoutemeiSTer" Thompson > Dthomps1@XXXXXX > http://home.rochester.rr.com/backroads/ > Rochester NY > Age 62 Retired Xeroid > AMA# 504560 STOC# 840 > Current STable > 90 Suzuki DR350S > 91 Honda ST1100 > 94 Honda VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 21:54:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7J1s5808380 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-89.patriot.net [209.249.180.89]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7J1rxF01404; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:53:59 -0400 Message-ID: <399DE6BC.49F2DCA@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:45:32 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Reinhardt CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Air-Tech References: <20000819013144.27867.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't know sqyuat about Air-tech, but "color gel coating" is just that, a dyed polyester face coat. Saves painting it but gel never quite takes a knock out shine. Same as every boat you see. It can be easitly painted though. Problems - too thin a coat and it *eggshells* - too thick and it crazes. Gel hates vibration. When painting add Flex-all additive to keep the paint in one piece. Bill Adam Reinhardt wrote: > I'm considering replacing the cracked fairings on my > CBR, and saw that Air- Tech has very good prices. Has > anyone ever ordered from them before? How is the > quality and fit? How is their "color gel coating"? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. I got an > estimate from a body shop, but it was $100 more than > the $200 lower fairing from Airtech. > > Thanks, > > Adam Reinhardt > > 89 CBR > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 18 22:11:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7J2BC808645 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA14590; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000b01c00983$697c6660$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas_Zell" To: "Adam Reinhardt" , References: <20000819013144.27867.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Air-Tech Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:15:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Air-tech bodywork is extremely brittle.... nothing I would suggest using on the street. Also, not sure of their "color gel coating" but from what I understand... everything that they send out requires preparation and painting. YMMV. Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Reinhardt" To: Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 9:31 PM Subject: Air-Tech > > > I'm considering replacing the cracked fairings on my > CBR, and saw that Air- Tech has very good prices. Has > anyone ever ordered from them before? How is the > quality and fit? How is their "color gel coating"? > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. I got an > estimate from a body shop, but it was $100 more than > the $200 lower fairing from Airtech. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Adam Reinhardt > > > > 89 CBR > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 19 00:21:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5204.mail.yahoo.com ([216.115.106.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7J4LO810639 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000819042117.4936.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.87.139] by web5204.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:21:17 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:21:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) To: "Charles V. Pena" , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Uh....Before this gets out of hand. You know I was just kidding about "Weapons Wednesday" right? Just a joke folks, Okay? Not happening. Really. You show up with weapons and you'll most likely get a free taxi ride with Arlington's finest to a quaint little holding facility. BUT... I'm absolutely serious about: THONG THURSDAYS!!! $1 fuzzy navel shooters (with REAL navel lint) -Meet Ethel Woolridge..Sears & Roebuck Swimsuit model circa 1938 -String Bikini clinic: "Thong or T-Back, What's the Difference? -Meet "Little Joe" Jablonsky author of "Homemade Thongs for Fun and Profit" -Corbett '93 Brazillian Slider (Uh..another fine Just Kidding Production) ps. I may not be totally up on conceal carry permits but I don't think you are supposed to carry them into drinking establishments. Clarification on this? --- "Charles V. Pena" wrote: > Tornado? Or shotgun? %^) BTW, is concealed carry > kosher for this > event??? > > "Dan J. Snyder" wrote: > > > > I'll be there with my new Benelli. > > :-) > > > > Dan > > 00 RSV > > > > At 1:59 PM -0700 8/18/00, Corbett B wrote: > > >Now you've done it! > > > > > >"GUN NIGHT" next week on "Weapons Wednesday" > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 19 01:04:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com ([216.115.106.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7J54a811246 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 01:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000819050428.24889.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.87.139] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:04:28 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:04:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Sportbikes...Front Page Metro Section To: Glenn Braunstein Cc: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dude, Where have you been? There talking about those ROAD ROCKETS out there all over the Maryland roads. Don't you watch tv? I mean..they sometimes run on solid rocket fuel, sometimes gas turbine - AND THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE WHEELS! They easily go over 200 mph and you just get on 'em and try to twist & lean 'em the right direction. Geez..get with the program! ;-} -Corbett '96 JATO --- Glenn Braunstein wrote: > Clip from that article: > "...and increasing numbers of people > are drawn to motorcycles that can travel at > speeds almost three times the legal speed limit..." > > Hmmm...let's see. 35 mph x 3 = ... Well, > darn...that's only 105 mph!! What are they > riding...Harleys?!? Certainly not "crotch-rockets". > > And certainly not my beloved VFR which, according to > the TV clip last month, "reaches speeds in excess of > 170 mph"!! > > Glenn B. > 98 VFR 800 ...which I'm still hoping to get up to > the > 170 mph that tv clip told me I can do!! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! > Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 19 12:23:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7JGN4824772 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-242.s242.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.242]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13QBOf-0006dh-00; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:23:01 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Corbett B Cc: Dave Yates , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:28:19 -0700 Message-ID: References: <20000818205932.18650.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000818205932.18650.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7JGNp824773 |>Now you've done it! |> |>"GUN NIGHT" next week on "Weapons Wednesday" |> |>5 p.m. - 'til you pry the gun outta my cold dead I don't want to freak anyone out, but would bringing a motorcycle freak anyone out? I have a liscense for it!! Ok well maybe taking a motorcycle to a bar isnt' such a bright idea! hehe btw I dont' like waiting for stragglers..so when you join us, be sure you're ready to full and have a full clip of leaded! This Just kidding production company is gonna make a lot of money. Daniel why yes that is a gun in this pocket, but i'm happy to see you in my other pocket From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 19 14:02:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7JI2n826276 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-82.patriot.net [209.249.180.82]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7JI2iF20563 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:02:45 -0400 Message-ID: <399EC9C9.F9C57D2A@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:54:17 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: We stand waaay back from our product... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit instead of behind it. Subject: Me be looking for a new helmet. So I cruise formally Colemans and then scoot out to Patriot Harley. Free lunch at H-D dealers adn I wuz hungry. Got to see the tail end of a car chase and drug bust on Rt 50 - way cool. Narky the Pooch wuz eatting up this dude's car. Anyway, I spy a nice price on a DOT/Snell full face helmet. Yo, dude, does this come in any color than black? Okay, dumb question, I'm at a Harley dealer. No, but I can always paint it and slap a buncha reflecto stickers on it. Hmmm... Yo, dude, how do go about chnaging the face shield? Duh, he don't know - no one there does. Well, do you sell replacement shields? Um, no, we don't. WHAT! Well, we don't sell many full face helmets, but I'm sure Coleman's has face shields. Yeah, formally Colemans probably does, and come to think of it, might as well buy the helmet there too, or from Cycle Sport. Geez-o-flip. Oh well, lunch was tasty. And the drug bust show out on 50 was cool. And you can't beat a Harley dealer for scoping the BABES! *snort drool* Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 19 18:41:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7JMfh800958 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 18:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-57-183.s183.tnt2.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.57.183] helo=erols.com) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13QHJ6-0004vr-00; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 18:41:40 -0400 Message-ID: <399F0D12.39F88732@erols.com> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 18:41:22 -0400 From: Tim Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Be On the Lookout - Stolen Bike Details References: <399C7C4D.4D391991@erols.com> <399ec8a6.347501941@smtp.erols.com> <399D1263.A8A8E979@erols.com> <399e505d.382249717@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:39:31 -0400, you wrote: > > |>daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > |>> > |>> |>Wow! And this all happened BEFORE the bike was stolen.... > |>> > |>> If my memory serves me... skyline drive does tend to have that affect > |>> on numerous bikes. I dont' really see anything to scoff at there.. > |> > |>I wasn't scoffing. I was bewildered. I don't understand the > |>circumstances under which a bike as new and as expensive as a 2000 > |>Suzuki GSXR2000 gets as much damage as described in so short a time. The > > Brand new suzuki plastic is not available. There is a backorder and > waiting list. Well, of course, that explains it. I didn't realize that. > Kind of funny how you get bewildered without knowing what you thought > you were bewildered about. :) But I'm no longer bewildered, now that you have kindly taken the time to explain things to me! Thanks, Daniel. Oh, and it's probably too late now, but, thanks to you too, Matty. Tim From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 20 14:09:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7KI9e819980 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000820180932.DKPG4590.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:09:32 -0700 Message-ID: <007b01c00ad2$0d529620$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <20000814141835.8136.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: RR2 anyone? Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:11:24 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Laura, After hearing the responses to the last ride, I'm very sorry I missed it. I'll definitely be there for the 9th. James '00 SV650 ----- Original Message ----- From: "LAURA GRANATO" To: Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 10:18 AM Subject: RR2 anyone? > Well, since I received so many requests for another ride like Saturday's relaxed ride, anyone up for RR2 on Saturday, September 9? We could do it the weekend before, but figure a lot of people will be vacationing for the long labor day weekend...any thoughts? > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 20 20:39:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7L0dN826228 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id a.3a.9601405 (8477); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:39:10 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3a.9601405.26d1d42d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:39:09 EDT Subject: Italian Moto Fest- Please forward To: cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, motoguzzi@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 First Annual Italian Motorcycle Festival will take place October 1,2000 at Morgan's Grove park in Shepherdstown, WV. All brands welcome, but show is for Italian makes only. $10.00 admission-$5.00 show participation. Starts 10:00AM --awards @4:00PM For further info Bill Freeman @304 267-7151 or email: swanpondwv@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 07:14:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7LBEt806793 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 07:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000821111449.14290.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.11.25] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 04:14:49 PDT Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 04:14:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Another friendly Dr. Gridlock column To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In today's Dr. Gridlock's column ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60959-2000Aug20.html ), a motorcyclist complained that he was told he could not get a Dulles Toll Road Smart Pass. Dr. Gridlock spoke to the manager of the Toll Road and found out that motorcyclists now CAN get the Smart Passes. He then added: "You're right, Mr. Freal. The more people who abandon larger vehicles for motorcycles, the better for all of us. Motorcycle operators: Please advise Dr. Gridlock of any troubles you've had on the Dulles Toll Road--or anywhere else on your commute--because you ride a motorcycle." Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 08:43:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web106.yahoomail.com (web106.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7LChr808220 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5833 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2000 12:43:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20000821124338.5832.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.233.199.217] by web106.yahoomail.com; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 05:43:38 PDT Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 05:43:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Beck Subject: Re: We stand waaay back from our product... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LOL. Reminds me of the time I went into Whitts Harley Davidson and asked them for ear plugs. The guy behind the counter looked at me with an incredibly puzzled look and said "for what?" I guess I should have said "If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand." ;-) Steve Yo, dude, how do go about > chnaging the face > shield? Duh, he don't know - no one there does. > Well, do you sell > replacement shields? Um, no, we don't. WHAT! > Well, we don't sell many > full face helmets, but I'm sure Coleman's has face > shields. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 09:03:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LD3K808539 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-43.patriot.net [209.249.181.43]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7LD0tF09621; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:00:55 -0400 Message-ID: <39A12608.AE8EA5A3@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:52:24 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Beck CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: We stand waaay back from our product... References: <20000821124338.5832.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, tis a shame. H-D has becoem a poster child company for sucessful marketing. Lilke the Indiana college prof sez - "If you can persuade your customer to tattoo the name of your product on their bodies, chances are they won't change brands." But the Harley riding image, Tshirts, non-DOT *lids*, and way to loud pipes isn't my style. Obviously, the dudes with harsh ppes have never A) ridden the bike more than 50 miles, or B) have seriously deteriated hearing. And having binged my gourd on the asphalt, I'll stick to DOT/Snell helmets, thank you. Bill Steve Beck wrote: > LOL. Reminds me of the time I went into Whitts Harley > Davidson and asked them for ear plugs. The guy behind > the counter looked at me with an incredibly puzzled > look and said "for what?" > > I guess I should have said "If you have to ask, you > wouldn't understand." ;-) > > Steve > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 09:15:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LDFn808766 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:14:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: We stand waaay back from our product... Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:14:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I recently rented a Harley from the American Road Collection, based out of the Patriot Harley Davidson in Fairfax city. They say they supply the helmets, but they only have half-shells. DOT approved ones, but half-shells nonetheless. I asked why they didn't have full faces, and he told me it was because they would be "too hot." And this is a Harley Davidson approved rental place that was otherwise very professional. Needless to say, I brought my own Shoei for the ride. Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 8:52 AM To: Steve Beck Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: We stand waaay back from our product... Yes, tis a shame. H-D has becoem a poster child company for sucessful marketing. Lilke the Indiana college prof sez - "If you can persuade your customer to tattoo the name of your product on their bodies, chances are they won't change brands." But the Harley riding image, Tshirts, non-DOT *lids*, and way to loud pipes isn't my style. Obviously, the dudes with harsh ppes have never A) ridden the bike more than 50 miles, or B) have seriously deteriated hearing. And having binged my gourd on the asphalt, I'll stick to DOT/Snell helmets, thank you. Bill Steve Beck wrote: > LOL. Reminds me of the time I went into Whitts Harley > Davidson and asked them for ear plugs. The guy behind > the counter looked at me with an incredibly puzzled > look and said "for what?" > > I guess I should have said "If you have to ask, you > wouldn't understand." ;-) > > Steve > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 09:16:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LDGZ808776 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:15:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: last night Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:14:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I had the sort of opposite thing happen to me. It was Fourth of July weekend, Friday rush hour traffic out of the city. I was lane-splitting down Constitution Ave. on my '80 XS650 and finally filtered to the front of the line at the traffic light. Next thing I know, the guy in the Nissan pickup truck behind me starts beeping and hollering and gesturing at me. I turned around to see what the problem was, and couldn't determine what it could possibly be. Perhaps he was upset at the fact that I was six feet in front of him in traffic, but at the crawling speeds we were moving it wasn't even like I could have cut him off. In any event, I sort of shrug and turn back around. The guy in the car next to me was like "if I was you, I'd go over and slug him in the face." Of course I had no intention of this, so I stayed where I was. Next thing you know, the guy keeps on beeping and screaming, so I turn around again to see what's up. And now I see him unfastening his seat-belt and his wife (or whoever) trying to restrain him. He actually gets out of his truck and starts at me. I had my full-face on, along with my roadcrafter jacket, gloves, etc. I was pretty confident he couldn't hurt me, except for knocking me off the bike and knocking the bike on to me. Fortunately the light turned green, and I was gone (I would've taken off regardless, but that's beside the point). Road rage can be a crazy thing. . . /Erik -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 4:54 PM To: rick_s_osborn@XXXXXX Cc: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night rick osborn wrote: > > right. > it's all easy to sit back when we're > comfortable at our keyboards > and say '...that's crazy.' > > but put this in context. > tell me bill. > have you never... ever... done the same thing? > never stopped or got infuriated at someone for > somehting they pulled? > Oh yeah, man! Several folks on this list know me personally, and I'm *sure* they'll attest to the fact that I'm a world class hothead! The list of bars I've trashed becasue they served flat beer is endless!!! Like I have a major temper... *yawn* (The above drips sarcasm) > > never swerved? Swerving to avoid an obsticle in the road is a skill a mototcyclist must aquire and practice .Swerving a 600# bike to threaten a 4000# vehicle is nuts. > never swore? FUCK NO! Well, when I stub my toe.... > never gestured? Hell yeah! I tape my giggie finger with retroreflective tape for those night gestures. that i would find hard to believe. I find it hard to believe one would intentionally get in a physical pissing match with someone who has been demonstrating a wee bit of loonyism. When I see a loony on the road I back off far enough so I can enjoy watching them crash or get yanked by the law. And yes, when I scoot by I laugh VERY LOUDLY. I might even yell "Dumb Fuck" Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 10:01:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LE10809483 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va6-19.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.83]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26380; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A16159.417ED88D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:05:29 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Corbett B CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) References: <20000819042117.4936.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In Virginia, concealed carry permit holders are not allowed to carry in establishments that have an on-premise liquor license (i.e., a bar or restaurant that serves alcoholic beverage). But it's OK to carry into an off-premise establishment (e.g., convenience/grocery store that sells beer or wine). Corbett B wrote : > > ps. I may not be totally up on conceal carry permits > but I don't think you are supposed to carry them into > drinking establishments. Clarification on this? From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 10:11:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LEBm809673 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22986 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:04:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: DC Cycles Subject: Cleaning face sheilds Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I finally got some good riding time in the past weekend, but I'm having a hard time cleaning all the dead bug parts off the face sheild. Any recommendations for cleaning that get all the streaks off, etc? It's a stock RF-800 sheild. Also, since it's a huge pain to try and fit the sunglasses on with the helmet, I'm thinking about getting a tinted shield. Are there any degrees of tint that folks would recommend or avoid? Thanks, Shannon From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 10:14:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7LEEo809821 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 25348 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2000 07:14:41 -0700 Date: 21 Aug 2000 07:14:41 -0700 Message-ID: <20000821141441.25347.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 21 Aug 2000 14:14:41 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 21 Aug 2000 07:14:41 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Horkster@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, vtrman@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX, Mkitchell@XXXXXX, corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) On Fri, 18 August 2000, Dale Horstman wrote: > > Let the gun thread burn baby! I can't believe you guys started a gun thread while I wasn't around! I've been waiting so long for this one! ;-) Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 10:21:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LELA810250 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA2618322 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A13AD0.EC8565C0@radix.net> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:21:04 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Cleaning face sheilds References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tansey wrote: > > I finally got some good riding time in the past weekend, but I'm having a > hard time cleaning all the dead bug parts off the face sheild. Any > recommendations for cleaning that get all the streaks off, etc? It's a > stock RF-800 sheild. Use only a cotton cloth, paper towels etc... will eventually scratch the shield up. If the regular soap / water treatment doesn't work, try S100 cleaner / wax (same as the Honda stuff). > > Also, since it's a huge pain to try and fit the sunglasses on with the > helmet, I'm thinking about getting a tinted shield. Are there any degrees > of tint that folks would recommend or avoid? I Too had that dilemma ages ago. I couldn't get a set of shades to fit well under the helmet. I went to a tinted (smoke) shield, but I grew tired of lugging an extra shield around with me. Finally, I got a 2 sets of cheapo wraps at CVS, for like 10 smackers. they're wrap around shades, with wire type ear thingies. Now I just use the clear shield, & shades. I wasn't too keen on the smoke shield at dusk or dawn, & it's easier to remove shades at a stop ligth or sign than to change face shields... good luck. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 10:23:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LENo810289 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va6-19.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.83]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22007; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A166EE.6943BEC1@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:29:18 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tansey CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Cleaning face sheilds References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1. Tear-offs (i.e., what the racers use). But probably not practical. 2. Plexus and a soft cloth. 3. Squeegee at a gas station. 4. Hot/warm water. Type/degree of tint depends a lot on how sensitive your eyes are to sunlight. Darkest tints tend to be silver or blue iridium (i.e., mirrored) shields. Gold iridium is a "warmer" tint. Most manufacturers make a dark smoke and light smoke shield (both of which are not going to be as dark as an iridium shield). If you want REALLY DARK, get a silver or blue iridium shield and then put a smoke Fog City inner shield on. I actually do this with my silver mirrored shield. Great for riding in bright sunlight. Not so great for riding through tunnels! Chuck Tansey wrote: > > I finally got some good riding time in the past weekend, but I'm having a > hard time cleaning all the dead bug parts off the face sheild. Any > recommendations for cleaning that get all the streaks off, etc? It's a > stock RF-800 sheild. > > Also, since it's a huge pain to try and fit the sunglasses on with the > helmet, I'm thinking about getting a tinted shield. Are there any degrees > of tint that folks would recommend or avoid? > > Thanks, > > Shannon From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 10:24:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h011.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7LEOf810311 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 1014 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2000 07:24:31 -0700 Date: 21 Aug 2000 07:24:31 -0700 Message-ID: <20000821142431.1013.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 21 Aug 2000 14:24:31 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 21 Aug 2000 07:24:31 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: Re: See ya. but the overall "tone" of the list is just a bit too negative for me. Its kinda like a group of people that just want to talk Yes, we all talk, but a lot of us often ride together too. not sure, have you ever been on a ride with us? I've only been on a couple, but I've been to most of the bike nights, and it's been a blast. If you think about it in the right way, DC-Cycles is more like an extended family. Sometimes we fight, sometimes disagree, sometimes love each other and have fun. With this many people, we can't expect that we'd all have the same opinions. > > Some of you get more > |>fun out of judging others than you do from riding. Is it really judging others, or do people just have different view points? That's how I see it, but maybe someone will disagree with me...actually, probably. :-) Laura Granato > ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 11:01:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7LF1j811558 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000821150117.15394.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:01:17 PDT Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:01:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: Cleaning face sheilds To: Tansey Cc: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I always use Windex glass cleaner with cotton cloth... i use that also to clean all my chrome... works great. --- Tansey wrote: > I finally got some good riding time in the past > weekend, but I'm having a > hard time cleaning all the dead bug parts off the > face sheild. Any > recommendations for cleaning that get all the > streaks off, etc? It's a > stock RF-800 sheild. > > Also, since it's a huge pain to try and fit the > sunglasses on with the > helmet, I'm thinking about getting a tinted shield. > Are there any degrees > of tint that folks would recommend or avoid? > > Thanks, > > Shannon > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 11:13:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com (oak.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7LFD6811718 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA03921; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:11:41 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma023800; Mon, 21 Aug 00 11:01:03 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FZN003IGDU6UV@XXXXXX>; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256942.00529419 ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:01:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:51:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Cleaning face sheilds To: Dave Yates Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <85256942.0051BCE3.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Not to mention that while riding slow through a town, or in creeping traffic, I prefer sunglasses since I can ride with the shield up. Keeps me much cooler. --chris To: cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Cleaning face sheilds --snip-- I Too had that dilemma ages ago. I couldn't get a set of shades to fit well under the helmet. I went to a tinted (smoke) shield, but I grew tired of lugging an extra shield around with me. Finally, I got a 2 sets of cheapo wraps at CVS, for like 10 smackers. they're wrap around shades, with wire type ear thingies. Now I just use the clear shield, & shades. I wasn't too keen on the smoke shield at dusk or dawn, & it's easier to remove shades at a stop ligth or sign than to change face shields... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 11:35:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LFZk812113 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va6-19.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.83]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01513 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A177DB.9989334B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:41:31 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Another successful Bike Night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to everyone who was able to make it to Bike Night at CarPool last night. I think we had about 60 m/c's there. A good crowd. Hope everyone enjoyed themselves. We'll keep you posted on what's up for September. Chuck From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 11:49:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7LFms812282 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 21281 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2000 08:48:43 -0700 Date: 21 Aug 2000 08:48:43 -0700 Message-ID: <20000821154843.21280.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 21 Aug 2000 15:48:43 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 21 Aug 2000 08:48:43 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: Re: Another successful Bike Night On Mon, 21 August 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > Thanks to everyone who was able to make it to Bike Night at CarPool last > night. I'm very sad that I didn't get to make it :-( Hope you all had a good time. Did someone drink a beer for me? lol. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 11:59:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7LFxt812487 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000821155948.113.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:59:48 PDT Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:59:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: Another successful Bike Night To: Chuck Pena Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It was fun......... allot of bikes to check out even some cruisers like myself.... the only problem was my wife forget her ID... and the establishment was pretty hard lined about letting us in... but there is a really great Thai place across the street - excellent food!! --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Thanks to everyone who was able to make it to Bike > Night at CarPool last > night. I think we had about 60 m/c's there. A good > crowd. Hope > everyone enjoyed themselves. > > We'll keep you posted on what's up for September. > > Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 12:02:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f58.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.58]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LG2m812587 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:02:40 -0700 Received: from 149.32.111.21 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [149.32.111.21] From: "Rich VFR" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/20/00 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:02:40 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2000 16:02:40.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BB33800:01C00B89] -------------------------------------- As I merged on to 270 South from 124 about 8:00 this morning, I caught a glimpse of a sportbike cutting across a few lanes though moderate traffic into the far left lane. Maybe a 100 yards behind was a State Police Jeep Wagoneer (no lights). Within a minute they were both out of sight in the traffic. Then a State Police cruiser, all lights flashing, blasted down the left shoulder kicking up sand and dust. 20 seconds later I past them -- pulled over on the right shoulder. Not a good way to start the week. Rich --------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 12:11:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LGBK812735 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va6-19.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.83]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15810; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A1800C.82D36488@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:16:28 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Ehlert CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another successful Bike Night References: <20000821155948.113.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry you couldn't get in at CarPool. Yes, they are "hard line" about ID's. It's why we make a point of putting their policy on the website. But glad you had a good dining experience at Tara Thai! Chuck Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > It was fun......... allot of bikes to check out even > some cruisers like myself.... the only problem was my > wife forget her ID... and the establishment was pretty > hard lined about letting us in... but there is a > really great Thai place across the street - excellent > food!! From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 12:13:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LGD3812805 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA2749298 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A154F5.FC209EDE@radix.net> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:12:37 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Cleaning face sheilds References: <85256942.0051BCE3.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > Not to mention that while riding slow through a town, or in creeping traffic, I > prefer sunglasses since I can ride with the shield up. Keeps me much cooler. Yeah, I found that out too. Unfortunately, I also found out the hazards of running into large, stinging insects with the face shield up. FYI, up to about 60, they don't die on impact with your face, in fact, it just ticks them off. Of course, the few times I was too lazy / hot to put the face shield down, I inevitably run into some of the larges insects ever seen. The worst had to be that hornet, it was absolutely huge, and of course wedged itself in between my face & the helmet foam... I've learned to just go faster, that way the boundary layer of air deflects those pesky bugs right over my helmet :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 12:24:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LGOR812998 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va6-19.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.83]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24163; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A18347.BBEA170D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:30:15 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Cleaning face sheilds References: <85256942.0051BCE3.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> <39A154F5.FC209EDE@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does this work well when explaining your situation to the polite state trooper??? Or the judge??? %^) Dave Yates wrote : > > helmet foam... I've learned to just go faster, that way the boundary > layer of air deflects those pesky bugs right over my helmet :-) From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 12:31:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LGVh813157 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA2719843 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A15965.C6629385@radix.net> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:31:33 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Cleaning face sheilds References: <85256942.0051BCE3.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> <39A154F5.FC209EDE@radix.net> <39A18347.BBEA170D@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chuck Pena wrote: > > Does this work well when explaining your situation to the polite state > trooper??? Or the judge??? %^) It never gets that far, all they see is a black blur :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 13:26:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LHQ1814011 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-32 #43876) with ESMTP id <0FZN00E8HHUQLY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:30:29 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:30:27 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: Re: Cleaning face sheilds To: "'matt_ehlert@XXXXXX'" , "'tansey@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68067FE72@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain Windex is very bad stuff for plastic from what I hear... Eventually it causes cloulding. I'm not sure if that's only with a certain type of plastic or all of it. -Calvin -------------------------------- Calvin W. Ledford Cable & Wireless cledford@XXXXXX 702-292-2224 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 13:37:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LHb5814278 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008211737.e7LHb5814278@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id u.f5.20ddac4 (15890); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web40.aolmail.aol.com (web40.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.1]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:36:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:36:31 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another successful Bike Night To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Yep. Had a nice time. Thanks to everyone who gave me advice on my gear shifter problem. I'm dropping it off at Sprinfield Cycle Sport tonight. I'll let you know what they find. Scooter In a message dated Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:39:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Chuck Pena writes: << Thanks to everyone who was able to make it to Bike Night at CarPool last night. I think we had about 60 m/c's there. A good crowd. Hope everyone enjoyed themselves. We'll keep you posted on what's up for September. Chuck >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 13:41:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LHfI814302 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va19-29.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.157]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00971 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A19549.D66A8BA2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:47:05 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Thanx Zbig! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A big THANK YOU to Zbig for letting/trusting me to take his 929 out on a little test ride last night at Bike Night (I guess that's one of the perqs of being the organizer!) Sweet bike! Even just a quick spin from CarPool out Fairfax Dr. to Washington Blvd. to I-395 to Glebe Rd. and back to CarPool was fun. Managed one "fast" sweeper (coming onto I-395 off Washington Blvd.) But no "really fast" riding (or wheelies!) -- honest, that's my story and I'm sticking to it! %^) Smooth engine. Definitely a difference between EFI and carbs. Quiet pipe. Liked the feel of the suspension (firm, but not overly so). Would love to ride it out on the open road. Zbig??? %^) Chuck From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 15:28:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7LJSL816074 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000821192817.7643.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:28:17 PDT Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:28:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: Cleaning face sheilds To: "Ledford, Calvin" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry... i should have clarified..... the Windex that says "safe for plastics" - we use it on our plastic airplane windows - and we are very cautious with the product used since everything cost outrages amount in the aviation industry. The Windex that doesn't say "safe for plastics" can have some impurities that might slightly scratch the plastic surface over extended amount of time. But the product is mostly water anyways...... i wouldn't be to worried about it with a helmet. (I am sure there is impurities in normal tap water that can scratch plastics as well) regards, matt --- "Ledford, Calvin" wrote: > Windex is very bad stuff for plastic from what I > hear... Eventually it > causes cloulding. I'm not sure if that's only with > a certain type of > plastic or all of it. > > -Calvin > -------------------------------- > Calvin W. Ledford > Cable & Wireless > cledford@XXXXXX > 702-292-2224 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 15:34:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smyk.apk.net (smyk.apk.net [207.54.158.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LJYT816167 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from junior.apk.net (IDENT:7D5HPGUPB2PHz8yON3/jf8jvgT7nQVry@XXXXXX [207.54.158.20]) by smyk.apk.net (8.11.0/8.11.0/apk.990812+rchk1.22+bspm1.13.1.5a) with ESMTP id e7LJFeA14974; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zbig@localhost) by junior.apk.net (8.11.0/8.11.0/rchk1.22) id e7LJFeR22438; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:15:40 -0400 From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: Chuck Pena Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Thanx Zbig! Message-ID: <20000821151540.A16162@kleks.org> References: <39A19549.D66A8BA2@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <39A19549.D66A8BA2@ix.netcom.com>; from Chuck Pena on Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 01:47:05PM -0700 * Chuck Pena (cvkgpena@XXXXXX) [000821 13:47]: > feel of the suspension (firm, but not overly so). Would love to ride it > out on the open road. Zbig??? %^) > > Chuck Sure. First, catch me. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 15:54:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LJsX816471 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-11.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.75]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29248; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A1B47C.2454B959@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:00:12 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Thanx Zbig! References: <39A19549.D66A8BA2@ix.netcom.com> <20000821151540.A16162@kleks.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In your driveway, maybe? %^) "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" wrote: > > Sure. First, catch me. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 16:06:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LK6G816734 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-168.s422.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.168] helo=twincam) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Qxpe-0002rD-00; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:06:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c00bab$bbfff1c0$a8fc7ad1@twincam> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "DC-Cycles" References: <20000821111449.14290.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Another friendly Dr. Gridlock column Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:09:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ABATE of Maryland has been working on the Electronic Toll Collection problem for over a year and we are nearing a final resolution. We worked with the Maryland Transportation Authority (MTA) to resolve difficulties experienced by motorcycle riders when using Maryland's electronic toll collection system (MTAG). Initially, there were three problems. One was the treadle that a vehicle passed over did not correctly identify motorcycles. Second, the transponder was not always accurately identified or read so that tolls could be deducted from a user's account. Third, there was the possibility of erroneous toll violation notices being given to motorcycle riders when the system failed to read the transponder although the motorcycle rider had done everything possible to work within the system. A brief description of the resolution for Maryland includes: 1. The treadles at Maryland tunnels and bridges that use MTAG were adjusted to detect motorcycles. 2. Working together, MTA, the transponder vendor (MarkIV), and ABATE of Maryland determined that it may be possible to manufacture a mounting device that will correctly position the transponder and work with all types of motorcycles. The vendor, Mark IV, is still working on finalizing the transponder mounting device design and manufacturing it for commercial use. A recent status report from Mark IV indicated that they have a working prototype that is being tested and refined. The final product is not available yet. 3. MTA and ABATE of Maryland determined a workable plan for MTAG toll collection problems with reading transponders mounted on motorcycles. This plan should eliminate motorcycle riders receiving erroneous toll violation notices should the MTAG system fail to read the transponder for a motorcycle. This should be relevant to Virginia as well. Virginia, Maryland, and most Mid-Atlantic states use the Mark IV transponder for their electronic toll collection. The ultimate goal for electronic toll collection is to have a reciprocal toll collection system among the states along the I-95 corridor. Since Virginia and Maryland use the same transponder vendor, it is likely that when the transponder mounting device is finished, this will benefit motorcycle riders in Virginia and the other states using the Mark IV transponder. It is important to note that 'waving' the transponder at the antennae is not a viable option. It is dangerous and no more accurate than a properly mounted stationary transponder. Its not just unsafe because the rider has one hand off of the handlebars while 'waving' the transponder, it is also because of the possibility that the rider could drop the transponder and hit another vehicle with it. In some states, it is forbidden for anyone, including car drivers, to wave the transponder at the antennae. Those doing so can be ticketed and fined. When discussing electronic toll collection issues, it is important to know that the Federal Government expects the implementation of this and other Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS) technologies to accommodate the needs of motorcycles. The Transportation Equity Act for the 21st Century (TEA-21) includes this language in its Goals and Purposes: "Section 5203. Goals and Purposes, para. (a) Goals - The goals of the intelligent transportation system program include - . (4) accommodation of the needs of all users of surface transportation systems, including operators of commercial vehicles, passenger vehicles and motorcycles." The Motorcycle Rider's Foundation (MRF), the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA), and many individual State Motorcycle Rights Organizations, were instrumental in assuring that ITS goals and purposes include motorcycles. For many states electronic toll collection is one of the first technologies to be implemented. It is imperative that those of us who experience problems inform government officials as early as possible and assure that the problems are addressed and corrected. I have first-hand knowledge of the participants who worked on this issue. Although its not done yet, it was gratifying to see motorcycle riders and government agencies work together to address a problem. Kathleen Loerich Former Legislative Representative (8/98-8/00) ABATE of Maryland http://www.abate-of-maryland.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Louis F. Caplan To: DC-Cycles Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 07:14 Subject: Another friendly Dr. Gridlock column > In today's Dr. Gridlock's column > ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60959-2000Aug20.html ), a > motorcyclist complained that he was told he could not get a Dulles Toll Road > Smart Pass. Dr. Gridlock spoke to the manager of the Toll Road and found out > that motorcyclists now CAN get the Smart Passes. He then added: > > "You're right, Mr. Freal. The more people who abandon larger vehicles for > motorcycles, the better for all of us. Motorcycle operators: Please advise Dr. > Gridlock of any troubles you've had on the Dulles Toll Road--or anywhere else > on your commute--because you ride a motorcycle." > > Louis > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 16:10:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LKA2816747 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.e1.8d0c431 (4219) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:09:50 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:09:49 EDT Subject: Re: Thanx Zbig! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 zbig@XXXXXX writes: << Sure. First, catch me. >> Is that offer good for all of us? :) Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 16:19:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LKJB816890 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-168.s422.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.168] helo=twincam) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Qy2G-0004xK-00; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:19:08 -0400 Message-ID: <006301c00bad$8e0f77c0$a8fc7ad1@twincam> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "DC-Cycles" References: <20000821111449.14290.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Another friendly Dr. Gridlock column Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:22:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 For those who are interested: --------------------- The following information is a portion of the legislative wrap-up article written for the ABATE of Maryland newsletter. Kathleen Loerich ABATE of Maryland http://www.abate-of-maryland.org --------------------- MTAG Electronic Toll Collection Bills HB 1329 - Motorcycles - Failure to Pay Electronic Toll SB 853 - Motorcycles - Failure to Pay Electronic Toll MTAG is Maryland's electronic toll collection system. It allows vehicles to pass through toll lanes without stopping to pay tolls. Tolls are electronically collected using a transponder mounted on the vehicle that communicates account information to the toll collection system in the toll lane. Several months prior to the start of the 2000 legislative session, problems surfaced regarding motorcycle use of MTAG lanes. Initially, there were two problems. The first was that the treadle device in MTAG lanes did not accurately detect motorcycles when they passed over the lane. The second problem was that there were no commercially available transponder, mounting devices that are reliable and safe for all models of motorcycles. Thus, the probability that a transponder read failure could occur for motorcycle traffic was high. All indications are that the treadle problem is resolved. However, as reported in previous newsletter articles, the transponder, mounting problem remains. While working with individuals from the Maryland Transportation Authority (MTA) who are responsible for managing the MTAG system, filing deadlines for introducing bills during the 2000 legislative session were approaching quickly. To meet those deadlines and to assure that the MTAG problem was resolved to the satisfaction of motorcycle riders who use the MTAG system, two bills were introduced. They were HB 1329 and a companion bill in the Senate, SB 853. The intent of these bills was to assure that if a motorcycle rider attempted to use the MTAG system, and due to MTAG transponder reading errors or other system failures the toll collection system failed, the motorcycle rider would not be unfairly subjected to toll violation notices or other legal repercussions because of the toll collection system failure. When the bills were drafted and filed, it was not clear that MTA could produce the desired result. However, during the legislative session considerable progress was made to resolving the transponder, mounting problem. Mark IV, the company that manufactures the transponders used by Maryland, agreed to design and manufacture a transponder, mounting device for motorcycles. They stated that they would need at least four months to do so. In response to this development, HB 1329 (sponsored by Delegate George Owings and Delegate Diane DeCarlo) and SB 853 (sponsored by Senator Hafer) were withdrawn. If Mark IV is unable to produce a transponder, mounting device for motorcycles, the bills will be reintroduced in the 2001 legislative session. Since the 2000 legislative session ended, Mark IV delivered an interim status report stating that they had a prototype, but it was not yet ready for production. Only time will tell whether Mark IV can complete this task. Maryland is in a unique position to be instrumental in resolving problems with electronic toll collection systems in all states that use the Mark IV transponder. Those States include Maryland, Delaware, Florida (Orlando and Metro Dade areas), Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Virginia, and West Virginia. It is also possible that if the remaining transponder vendors, Amtech, AT/Comm, and SIRIT, use a transponder with similar physical and technical features, the Mark IV solution may work for them as well. Amtech States include Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Texas. AT/Comm transponders are used in Maine. SIRIT States include California and Colorado. ----- Original Message ----- From: Louis F. Caplan To: DC-Cycles Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 07:14 Subject: Another friendly Dr. Gridlock column > In today's Dr. Gridlock's column > ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60959-2000Aug20.html ), a > motorcyclist complained that he was told he could not get a Dulles Toll Road > Smart Pass. Dr. Gridlock spoke to the manager of the Toll Road and found out > that motorcyclists now CAN get the Smart Passes. He then added: > > "You're right, Mr. Freal. The more people who abandon larger vehicles for > motorcycles, the better for all of us. Motorcycle operators: Please advise Dr. > Gridlock of any troubles you've had on the Dulles Toll Road--or anywhere else > on your commute--because you ride a motorcycle." > > Louis > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 16:52:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com ([204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7LKqs817561 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:48:39 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:10:30 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Cleaning face sheilds Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7LKrC817564 Shannon, I just use commercial (foamy type) glass cleaner works fine. As to the sunglasses I prefer them to tinted shields. I found the best sunglasses in bicycle shops, the wraparound type without a lower frame, they fit really well in the helmet. Performance bikes has good prices/selection. Cheers, George >>> Tansey 08/21/00 10:04AM >>> I finally got some good riding time in the past weekend, but I'm having a hard time cleaning all the dead bug parts off the face sheild. Any recommendations for cleaning that get all the streaks off, etc? It's a stock RF-800 sheild. Also, since it's a huge pain to try and fit the sunglasses on with the helmet, I'm thinking about getting a tinted shield. Are there any degrees of tint that folks would recommend or avoid? Thanks, Shannon From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 18:08:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LM8j818831 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-248-226.s480.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.248.226] helo=l4rite) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13QzkI-0004Tr-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:08:42 -0400 Message-ID: <015801c00bbc$abf08e00$6e31accf@l4rite> From: "L4rite" To: "DC-Cycles" References: <20000821111449.14290.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> <000c01c00bab$bbfff1c0$a8fc7ad1@twincam> Subject: Re: Another friendly Dr. Gridlock column Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:10:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 this is the first that I have heard of this....my transporder activates all the time....i;ve actually lost it on my floor board for a couple of days and it still registers....I don't ride my bike much on the toll road, but when I do, I just put it in my front pocket and go...it always works at least for me.....this in interesting.....Les 96Kat750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 19:05:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LN5u819841 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:03:29 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Another friendly Dr. Gridlock column Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:13:49 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 Les, I had some problems w/the fasttoll on my ZX9. I had the thing mounted to the windshield just like on a cage. It was about 75% effective. On the plus side, if it doesn't work, you can just go around the bar :) It was 100% on my cage though. Even kept it in the glove box for a while. I've often wondered how the sensors worked. If they are magnetic sensors, maybe the amount of Aluminum parts on my bike makes it less effective. BTW, I stopped that commute about a year and a half ago. Maybe they've improved it since then. They said it wasn't approved for motorcycles at the time. But it's a hell of a lot easier than fishing for coins. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 19:28:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LNSI820203 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.72.258de5a (3988) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:28:09 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <72.258de5a.26d31509@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:28:09 EDT Subject: Re: Another friendly Dr. Gridlock column To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 In a message dated 8/21/00 07:17:20 Eastern Daylight Time, nighthawk700@XXXXXX writes: > Dr. Gridlock spoke to the manager of the Toll Road and found out > that motorcyclists now CAN get the Smart Passes. The story that I got was the sensors wouldn't recognize a motorcycle. The ones that set off the bells if you don't pay the toll certainly will. I got around this by getting one for my car, and I just swap it back and forth as needed. Michael J. PS - for the bodywork-impaired, a Saeng radar detector mount makes a dandy Fastoll (oops - Smartpass) mount. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 20:13:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7M0DR820901 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 26150 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2000 17:13:18 -0700 Received: from PPPa92-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.249) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2000 17:13:18 -0700 X-Sent: 22 Aug 2000 00:13:18 GMT Message-ID: <001201c00bcf$095560e0$f97c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , References: <72.258de5a.26d31509@aol.com> Subject: Re: Another friendly Dr. Gridlock column Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:22:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I just called last week and ordered a separate one for my bike. I just put it where the maps go on the tank bag and roll on through. works perfect. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Another friendly Dr. Gridlock column > In a message dated 8/21/00 07:17:20 Eastern Daylight Time, > nighthawk700@XXXXXX writes: > > > Dr. Gridlock spoke to the manager of the Toll Road and found out > > that motorcyclists now CAN get the Smart Passes. > > The story that I got was the sensors wouldn't recognize a motorcycle. The > ones that set off the bells if you don't pay the toll certainly will. > > I got around this by getting one for my car, and I just swap it back and > forth as needed. > > Michael J. > > PS - for the bodywork-impaired, a Saeng radar detector mount makes a dandy > Fastoll (oops - Smartpass) mount. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 20:40:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7M0eF821315 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.22.a3f66f8 (4006) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:40:00 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: <22.a3f66f8.26d325df@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:39:59 EDT Subject: Cop bike down To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 On Dulles toll road about 3;30 PM. Anyone know what happened? Judging from the looks of the bike, I'm sure the rider was hurt. 'Course those guys dress like idiots to ride. Half assed helmets, short sleeve shirts etc. Bob From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 21:12:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7M1Ci821890 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-153.patriot.net [209.249.180.153]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7M1CZ021252; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:12:35 -0400 Message-ID: <39A1D182.FC98CD53@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:04:03 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: McKeithen@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cop bike down References: <22.a3f66f8.26d325df@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Damn. My pal saw a cop bike down on the Edsal Road/395 ramp a week or so ago. Said he saw a blanket covered lump on the road and the ramp ws closed - never heard either way. The half hat cops wear is because it's less intimidating when approaching a person - They can see the cops face. But I'll agree, they should wear a jacket. Bill McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > On Dulles toll road about 3;30 PM. Anyone know what happened? Judging from > the looks of the bike, I'm sure the rider was hurt. 'Course those guys dress > like idiots to ride. Half assed helmets, short sleeve shirts etc. > > Bob From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 21 23:26:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7M3QZ823961 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 5060 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2000 20:20:22 -0700 Received: from PPPa36-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.193) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2000 20:20:22 -0700 X-Sent: 22 Aug 2000 03:20:22 GMT Message-ID: <001701c00be9$2b3d5860$c17c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Roach, Randy, and Sean kick ass Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:29:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I just wanted to tell the list what an awesome weekend it was at VIR. It was a crazy track that Roach, Randy, and Sean Jordan all did some ass-kicking on. Both Roach and Randy Moran won awards for various things (five or six between the two, but they could explain better than I could) and Sean did a bang-up job on his beasty bike (lol...just teasing, Sean) and handled a highly technical course superbly. Watch out for this guy! I learned a lot at the track this weekend. The guys taught me lots of stuff that will definitely be valuable in my motorcycle "career" whether they know it or not (for example, loading and unloading a trailer, putting up canopies, etc...just kidding!!!) Seriously, I recommend anyone getting out to the track that hasn't gone. Just listening to the racers talk, you learn a hell of a lot. You learn why the bike handles a certain way and listening to them talk about mistakes they made (of course not those guys, but all of the others racers :-) you can start to apply those lessons to your street riding. Not to mention it's a blast to watch! Just wanted to thank Roach, Randy, and Sean--and any others on the list who I met this weekend--for all they taught me while I was there. And everyone else, get your buns on your bikes and get them out to summit this weekend to watch these guys. They're amazing! Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 00:11:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7M4BE824706 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.ac.987e502 (3971); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:11:05 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:11:04 EDT Subject: DC-Cycles Success at VIR (Long) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Roach@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Hey all... this weekend found DC-Cycles racing at the new (reopened) Virginia International Raceway. The facility is... remarkable. The new owners have built/rebuilt an amazing place, with top notch facilities and an awesome track... and they're not even done yet. DC-Cycles Racing was represented by Randy Moran (and friend Randy Nesbaum (sp?)), Sean Jordan, Brian Roach, Fred ... and our own Laura Granato as full time pit-crew and den mother! Laura, Sean, and myself drove up Thurs night as there was a practice day on Friday that would be most useful since none of us had ever seen the course. Friday practice went well, with only a small rainshower at the end. The track is TECHNICAL. Depending on which map you look at, it has 19 - 24 turns over 2.6 miles (some are more like small bends and not numbered but you get the picture). To say you are lost the first time around is an understatement. WERA held their vintage races on Fri (don't ask) but unfortunately Fred was having some technical issues which kept him from running one bike, and the other was misfiring. On top of that, the weather was not kind to the vintage folks. He'll get 'em the next time for sure. Randy and Randy showed up early Sat morning and joined our merry little band. We got one round of practice on Sat morning before.... The Endurance Race. Endurance racing is a whole different animal, I've come to find out. Two weeks previous to the VIR round, I was asked to ride for Cyberlogtech.com in the 6-hour WERA National Endurance race. I replied YES immediately as I thought this would be an excellent way to get some needed track time. It was, and more. The National series does not have a lightweight class... there are 4 classes, MW Supersport and Superbike, HW Supersport and Superbike (600cc and 750+cc machines). We, however, had a Supersport Suzuki SV650 at our disposal... a lightweight twin with about 72hp at the rear wheel. We also had no extra rims (and no quick-change rigging even if we did), no quick-dump fuel cans, no backup bike, etc... Ah... what the hell, it's track time and should be a neat experience. We chose to run a set of Michelin DOT Pilots ("endurance compound") as the plan was to run only one set of tires, and the michelin guy said that was our best shot at it. Neat... "who's going to be the fourth rider who has to ride them for the last 45 minutes?" "Um... you did say you were used to spinning and sliding on your superbike, right Roach?" "Oh Lord" Sean and Laura "volunteered" (ok... we suckered them into it) to act as our scoring and timing team. Alan Nelson started the race, and proceeded to start knocking off consistent, fast laps. Looking at the pit boards, we didn't seem to be running that far off the pace of some of the faster teams. Huh, that's odd. My first stint on the bike came at about 2:30:00 into the race... we were running something like 24th out of 36, which isn't too shabby on a bike that's giving up about 15hp to the weakest 600 out there (and about 50 to the strongest). The race was... completely uneventful for us. We'd come in, refuel, switch riders, and rejoin the race. Coming to my last stint, we're somehow in 14th place overall, and 3rd in class!! (We had been 4th in class for a while, then the team in 3rd had an agricultural racing episode that put them 3 laps behind us when they were able to rejoin). With (unknown at the time) 5 laps to go, I had come upon another bike running at about the same speed as myself (obviously just slightly less) I made the pass and took the checkerd flag 2 laps later. At the trophy presentation, we discovered we had taken 12th overall and 3rd in class! It was truly awesome and prob one of the most rewarding experiences I've had in racing to date. We got a big trophy, plaques, and $125. Woo Hoo! We spent the $125 on the celebration dinner :) Sunday arrived, and D-Superbike comes as race 1 every time. I was able to launch the RR off the line without a hitch, and get the hole shot into T1. I never looked back and proceeded to lead the race flag to flag. Only one minor off-track excursion marred what would have been a perfect race with me having a clear lead. After the agricultural expedition, I knew my rival Matt Whistle was on my tail by the distinct sound an SV makes as it tries to show you a wheel, but he never made the pass. By winning that race, I clench the 2000 Mid-Atlantic D-Superbike Championship as there are not enough points remaining for Matt to overtake me!!! Race 12, Formula 2, and I am ready to try racing my new TZ250. I've yet to figure out the secret in launching a two-stroke, and my start was much like the starts I get on my TZ125. That is to say, from pole position I went into turn one... dead last. This makes for a rather exciting race as you now need to pass a whole bunch of bikes to get back to the front. I was able to make it back up to second place, losing only to my Endurance teammate Alan Nelson. Adding that second place to the points I already have, a 3rd place or better at Summit Point next weekend in Formula 2 will give my second Championship this year! Randy Moran Is vying for the Lightweight Twins championship, and if this weekend is any indication, he's going to do it. Randy put on a stunning display, with the closest competitor finishing some 10 seconds behind him. More than a few white-plated experts got a taste of the Moran Bullet this weekend... and they won't be the last I'm sure. Sean Jordan, or FNG as we like to call him :) , got more valuable track time and had a good dicing with another bike in the F1 race. He looked much better on the bike (I even have pictures to prove it!) and may turn out to be a racer after all ;) Both Randy and Sean can fill in more details on their weekend, for sure. Next stop: Summit Point Raceway, WV, Aug 26-27 A BIG thanks to Laura Granato. She was a true saint this weekend, taking care of pretty much anything we (ok, mostly *I* - I'm the only idiot trying to make 3 practice sessions on three different bikes) needed in the pits, she gave up all Saturday afternoon to sit up in a scoring tower and count our bike come by 200 times, and was always there to help me get into leathers and get my bikes ready to go out. There's a lot that goes into being successful on the track, and without help like that it's a LOT harder to do. I'd like to thank SpeedWerks of Camden, DE (www.speedwerks.com). Without their sponsorship and excellent bikes, this year would not have been possible for me. Jon Hovey is probably one of the best motorcycle mechanics on the planet and Steve Long has never let me down when it comes to providing the fastest 400 superbike on the track. If you're a racer, call 'em up - they build some of the best bikes on the track. They also deal in parts and accessories to tune up your street scoot through Street N Competition. I'd also like the thank Bridgestone tires for their support and Team Bridgestone sponsorship. 1 championship, 7 wins, 15 podiums, all on Bridgestone tires - jbtireguy@XXXXXX (JB Motorcycle) can sell you what you need on the track or for the street. Brian Roach WERA #699 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 01:47:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7M5lP826219 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-63.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.63]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA21595 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:47:20 -0400 Posted-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:47:20 -0400 Message-ID: <004001c00bfc$5e8c6fe0$aca4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: I95 Electronic Toll Collections Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:46:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ***Original Message*** From: "Kathleen Loerich" ...snip ABATE of Maryland has been working on the Electronic Toll Collection problem for over a year and we are nearing a final resolution. ...snip This should be relevant to Virginia as well. Virginia, Maryland, and most Mid-Atlantic states use the Mark IV transponder for their electronic toll collection. The ultimate goal for electronic toll collection is to have a reciprocal toll collection system among the states along the I-95 corridor. ...snip ********* Applaudable efforts all. I understand that major problems remain in NJ in particular, affecting of course its neighbors. Would there be current forecasts on when the I95 Babel will be talking a common toll language? Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> I tell tales of trying tolls Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 01:47:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7M5lh826223 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-63.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.63]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA21615 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:47:37 -0400 Posted-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:47:37 -0400 Message-ID: <004101c00bfc$68c24480$aca4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Cleaning face sheilds (and more) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:47:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 On bugs and vision -- Firstly, (after practicing swerving techniques so as to hit only water-soluble bugs) there is great satisfaction in pulling from the station bucket (with a bit of panache) a dripping squeegee, then swabbing with wide arm strokes, not dissimilar from sideways sword thrusts, the (on head) closed visor with gobs of water, and wiping it with a towel. This can result in a fine feeling of vanquishing pesky foes, along with occasional bystander gawks. (Visor life, of course, probably suffers a bit from this cavalier treatment.) Secondly, have searched for years for a solution to the "shadows" problem. Particularly on bright sunny winter (low sun/long shadow) days, all kinds of hazards hide and pop out of urban shadow areas -- pedestrians, cars, whatever; those areas made less visible by the smoked visor being worn to soften the bright sun, of course. Where is the "Polaroid" or other approach that might cut the bright while enhancing the shadow? Am I missing something? Some form of ski or snow glare protection that works for helmet visors? Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 06:24:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7MAOT801306 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA59282 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A254D5.663AC539@radix.net> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:24:21 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: I95 Electronic Toll Collections References: <004001c00bfc$5e8c6fe0$aca4fccd@micron> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mobacc wrote: > > ***Original Message*** > From: "Kathleen Loerich" > ...snip > > ABATE of Maryland has been working on the Electronic Toll Collection problem > for over a year and we are nearing a final resolution. > > ...snip > > .... Virginia, Maryland, and most Mid-Atlantic states use the Mark IV transponder > for their electronic toll collection. The ultimate goal for electronic toll collection is to have a > reciprocal toll collection system among the states along the I-95 corridor. I know this is a silly, stupid question without merit, & will probably generate weeks of ridiculing guffaws... BUT... WTF are we STILL paying tolls at those points for ? Instead of concentrating on 'making it less painless' to pay for the privilege of using a road THAT MY TAXES HAVE ALREADY paid for, Why not uncork those bottlenecks altogether & remove the toll booths ???? Anyone ? > > ...snip > ********* > Applaudable efforts all. I understand that major problems remain in NJ in > particular, affecting of course its neighbors. Would there be current > forecasts on when the I95 Babel will be talking a common toll language? It would be nice if they all spoke a language other than greenbacks :-( -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 07:08:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7MB8O801954 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-151.patriot.net [209.249.180.151]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7MB86031033; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:08:06 -0400 Message-ID: <39A25D13.9E3386DC@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:59:31 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: I95 Electronic Toll Collections References: <004001c00bfc$5e8c6fe0$aca4fccd@micron> <39A254D5.663AC539@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's the Yankee way... I'm sure everyone has noticed the increasing frequency of tolls as one travels north into Yankeeland.. Rich/Petersburg trnpk had a toll - *when* it was privately owned. No more toll three. But once you cross the Mason/Dixon - get out those dollars, riders! They collect tolls because they CAN. One can always go around the tolls - the long scenic route, except if you're going to Long Island NY. NFW to get on that island without paying the tab. But then again - why go there? Go south, young man! Bill Dave Yates wrote: > mobacc wrote: > > > > ***Original Message*** > > From: "Kathleen Loerich" > > ...snip > > > > ABATE of Maryland has been working on the Electronic Toll Collection problem > > for over a year and we are nearing a final resolution. > > > > ...snip > > > > .... Virginia, Maryland, and most Mid-Atlantic states use the Mark IV transponder > > for their electronic toll collection. The ultimate goal for electronic toll collection is to have a > > reciprocal toll collection system among the states along the I-95 corridor. > > I know this is a silly, stupid question without merit, & will probably > generate weeks of ridiculing guffaws... BUT... > WTF are we STILL paying tolls at those points for ? Instead of > concentrating on 'making it less painless' to pay for the privilege of > using a road THAT MY TAXES HAVE ALREADY paid for, Why not uncork those > bottlenecks altogether & remove the toll booths ???? Anyone ? > > > > > ...snip > > ********* > > Applaudable efforts all. I understand that major problems remain in NJ in > > particular, affecting of course its neighbors. Would there be current > > forecasts on when the I95 Babel will be talking a common toll language? > > It would be nice if they all spoke a language other than greenbacks :-( > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 07:27:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7MBR7802236 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA63637 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A26384.1A4D1C8D@radix.net> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:27:00 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: I95 Electronic Toll Collections References: <004001c00bfc$5e8c6fe0$aca4fccd@micron> <39A254D5.663AC539@radix.net> <39A25D13.9E3386DC@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Huson wrote: > > It's the Yankee way... I'm sure everyone has noticed the increasing frequency of tolls as one travels north > into Yankeeland.. Rich/Petersburg trnpk had a toll - *when* it was privately owned. No more toll three. > But once you cross the Mason/Dixon - get out those dollars, riders! Well, now, let's not forget the tolls in MD & VA - 2 states that are not 'squarely' in the Yankee camp... FWIW, my buddy in Loudon says that Norther Va. IS in fact Yankee territory ;-) > > They collect tolls because they CAN. One can always go around the tolls Actually, I think Dr. Gridlock recommended a western 'toll bypass' for high traffic holidays, asserting that while more in mileage, it would be less in time due to the toll booth congestion... Each time I head north for a trip to see the wife's hellatives, I 'bookmark' the toll booths with my GPS. I'll make it my mission in life to find another way ;-) - the long scenic route, except > if you're going to Long Island NY. NFW to get on that island without paying the tab. But then again - why > go there? uhh, 'cause you have relatives in the joint ? Some sort of Divine punishment ? New Jersey is a clear example of a state where tolls have 'run amok'. YIKES, Toll Collectors have special license plates like their state representatives ;-) Seriously, each & every town or whatever they call it along the turnpike & GS parkway are littered with toll booths. > > Go south, young man! I think you're right. But since I've lived in 'Yankee territory' all my life, won't I need a passport and translator (for the accent) ;-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 08:37:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7MCbF803292 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-151.patriot.net [209.249.180.151]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7MCb8006062; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:37:09 -0400 Message-ID: <39A271F2.F9B2E25D@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:28:34 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: I95 Electronic Toll Collections References: <004001c00bfc$5e8c6fe0$aca4fccd@micron> <39A254D5.663AC539@radix.net> <39A25D13.9E3386DC@patriot.net> <39A26384.1A4D1C8D@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > Well, now, let's not forget the tolls in MD & VA - 2 states that are > not 'squarely' in the Yankee camp... FWIW, my buddy in Loudon says that > Norther Va. IS in fact Yankee territory ;-) > Yes, NoVa is yankeeland. No accent and you have to add sugar to your ice tea, two dead giveaways. > uhh, 'cause you have relatives in the joint ? Some sort of Divine > punishment ? Yes, actually I do. My home town is a small fishing village - most of my relitives are clamdiggers and oystermen. But getting there is such a pain I haven't been there in 15 years and have no plans to break the string. Especially since my sleepy little fishing village has turned into mega-malls and housing projects. Gag me. > New Jersey is a clear example of a state where tolls have 'run amok'. > YIKES, Toll Collectors have special license plates like their state > representatives ;-) Seriously, each & every town or whatever they call > it along the turnpike & GS parkway are littered with toll booths. > Yep - lived in No Jersey once - tossing quarters into the GS pkwy tolls became automatic. > I think you're right. But since I've lived in 'Yankee territory' all > my life, won't I need a passport and translator (for the accent) ;-) Nah, once you get down thar it's easy. Life is sooo slow you'll fall into the slooow talkin' mode easily. You'll have to pick up phrases - "get up" means you're meeting someone. "Get together" means you boffing someone. Don't get them mixed up. And you don't get laid, you "get some laig". Frustration is - "Sheeitt faar, if thet don't jest stomp your dick inna dirt." Also, "getting together"/ "getting some laig" offin your cousins is fair game :-) Bill > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 08:53:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7MCrg803523 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:52:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cop bike down Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:52:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Why can't the cops wear flip-faces, then? The Shoei kind can be opened with one hand (Nolan requires two). Their outfits really are ludicrous, though . . . Especially when they wear blankets in the winter. /Erik -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 9:04 PM To: McKeithen@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cop bike down Damn. My pal saw a cop bike down on the Edsal Road/395 ramp a week or so ago. Said he saw a blanket covered lump on the road and the ramp ws closed - never heard either way. The half hat cops wear is because it's less intimidating when approaching a person - They can see the cops face. But I'll agree, they should wear a jacket. Bill McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > On Dulles toll road about 3;30 PM. Anyone know what happened? Judging from > the looks of the bike, I'm sure the rider was hurt. 'Course those guys dress > like idiots to ride. Half assed helmets, short sleeve shirts etc. > > Bob From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 09:01:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7MD1p803702 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA74857 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A279B7.D9F49040@radix.net> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:01:43 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: I95 Electronic Toll Collections References: <004001c00bfc$5e8c6fe0$aca4fccd@micron> <39A254D5.663AC539@radix.net> <39A25D13.9E3386DC@patriot.net> <39A26384.1A4D1C8D@radix.net> <39A271F2.F9B2E25D@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Huson wrote: > Yes, NoVa is yankeeland. No accent and you have to add sugar to your ice tea, two dead giveaways. I can tolerate the no accent, but the sugarless iced tea is just plain unforgivable. By far, the worst accent I've ever been exposed to has to be that waitress in Massachusetts... > Yep - lived in No Jersey once - tossing quarters into the GS pkwy tolls became automatic. There are more toll booths in NJ than there are Oak trees... > > > I think you're right. But since I've lived in 'Yankee territory' all > > my life, won't I need a passport and translator (for the accent) ;-) > > Nah, once you get down thar it's easy. Life is sooo slow you'll fall into the slooow talkin' mode easily. Yeah, but those first few tenuous weeks. Never forget my first southern trip ; Concord NC. Stopped at the local convenience store, picked up a Coke & asked for directions. the response was 'you're a Yankee, aren't chu' ? > You'll have to pick up phrases - "get up" means you're meeting someone. "Get together" means you boffing > someone. Don't get them mixed up. That's helpful to know... > And you don't get laid, you "get some laig". Frustration is - "Sheeitt > faar, if thet don't jest stomp your dick inna dirt." Also, "getting together"/ "getting some laig" offin your > cousins is fair game :-) I thought that was only fair / legal in WV & Arkansas... confirmation ? -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 09:26:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7MDQk803987 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Tue Aug 22 06:26:33 2000 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:26:33 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: RE: Cop bike down X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So THAT's why I got a bunch of strange looks that morning the North ramp was closed as I powered by 3 cruisers on my way S on 395 from Edsal on my nighthawk... Bob's right. Their attire doesn't make any sense. I wonder what they would have done had I rode by on a restored Kawasaki Police bike. Now that would have been funny! >-----Original Message----- >From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 9:04 PM >To: McKeithen@XXXXXX >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Cop bike down > > >Damn. My pal saw a cop bike down on the Edsal Road/395 ramp a week or so >ago. >Said he saw a blanket covered lump on the road and the ramp ws closed - >never >heard either way. > >The half hat cops wear is because it's less intimidating when approaching a >person - They can see the cops face. But I'll agree, they should wear a >jacket. > >Bill > >McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > >> On Dulles toll road about 3;30 PM. Anyone know what happened? Judging from >> the looks of the bike, I'm sure the rider was hurt. 'Course those guys >dress >> like idiots to ride. Half assed helmets, short sleeve shirts etc. >> >> Bob > theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 09:58:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7MDwA804508 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va13-47.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.175]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA31702; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A2B1E6.F78E4BE1@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:01:26 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Roach@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Success at VIR (Long) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bryan, Congrats to you and everyone from DC-Cycles who raced at VIR. I take it you raced on the North Course, as opposed to the course we used for CSS earlier this year. Sounds like fun (and demanding). Great report. Great racing. You go! %^) Chuck BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote : > > Hey all... this weekend found DC-Cycles racing at the new (reopened) Virginia > International Raceway. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 09:58:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7MDwZ804518 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000822135828.16542.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.184] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:58:28 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:58:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Cop bike down To: pattonme@XXXXXX, eschelzig@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Matthew Patton wrote: > So THAT's why I got a bunch of strange looks that > morning the North ramp was closed as I powered by 3 > cruisers on my way S on 395 from Edsal on my > nighthawk... Bob's right. Their attire doesn't make > any sense. I wonder what they would have done had I > rode by on a restored Kawasaki Police bike. Now that > would have been funny! why would that have been funny? just curious > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 9:04 PM > >To: McKeithen@XXXXXX > >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Cop bike down > > > > > >Damn. My pal saw a cop bike down on the Edsal > >Road/395 ramp a week or so ago. > >Said he saw a blanket covered lump on the road and > the ramp ws closed - never heard either way. > > > >The half hat cops wear is because it's less > >intimidating when approaching a > >person - They can see the cops face. But I'll > >agree, they should wear a jacket. > > > >Bill > > > >McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > > >>>> On Dulles toll road about 3;30 PM. Anyone know what happened? Judging from the looks of the bike, I'm sure the rider was hurt. 'Course those guys dress like idiots to ride. Half assed helmets, short sleeve shirts etc. Bob <<<< __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 10:10:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7MEA6804675 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:10:11 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B87FF@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: AMA at VIR? Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:00:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain >From www.amasuperbike.com Mark Exclusive Chandler: VIR is "neat place" by dean adams According to three time Kawasaki Superbike champion Doug Chandler, the Virginia International Raceway facility is a fun track and great facility. According to Chandler, it works for him. About ten minutes after he stepped out of his green leathers, Chandler told AMASoup: "This is a nice place, a nice roadcourse. You kind of forget how neat these things are from what we usually have to run (converted Speedway tracks). It's got blind corners, elevation changes, crests. It's neat, and challenging." Kawasaki tested there alone today and will be joined by Honda and other teams tomorrow. Will it work for the AMA Superbike series? Chandler, the most respected veteran rider currently in the series, thinks so. "I don't see any reason why not," he said. "We ran the short course today, that's about 2.2 miles and tomorrow we'll start out with the short course and go to the long course, which is about 3.3 miles. I think the long course will work too." "It's a great place," said the former AMA F-1 rider. "It's kind of like Mid-Ohio. It's kind of looks like a small farm, all the buildings are like little barns, that's the theme." "It's a good place," said Chandler. VIR didn't just spring up out of the ground today when the AMA lads started turning wheels on it. It has been in existence since at least the 1970s. WERA raced there yesterday, with Randy Renfrow making some laps. Ends From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 10:20:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7MEKp804897 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.11] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:20:13 -0700 Received: from navieg1 ([129.193.4.9]) by navieg3.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:20:10 0000 (GMT) Received: (from RESVA-MS6 [158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 61) with SMTP id M2000082207142401655 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:14:24 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:14:21 -0400 Message-Id: <39A28AC5.341DD9C5@trw.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:14:29 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cop bike down References: <20000822135828.16542.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Matthew Patton wrote: > > > So THAT's why I got a bunch of strange looks that > > morning the North ramp was closed as I powered by 3 > > cruisers on my way S on 395 from Edsal on my > > nighthawk... Bob's right. Their attire doesn't make > > any sense. I wonder what they would have done had I > > rode by on a restored Kawasaki Police bike. Now that > > would have been funny! > I don't get it. You mean like, "funny Ha-ha," or like "sick, mean bastard" funny? Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 10:24:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7MEOc804911 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id i.4a.9ed9dfd (3966); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:22:48 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4a.9ed9dfd.26d3e6b7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:22:47 EDT Subject: Re: AMA at VIR? To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 Yep... the factory race haulers were pulling in as we were leaving on Sun. Factory Honda was also there, as well as a couple other major priavteer teams (Vesrah for one). Hope they decide to run there - I'll definatly go :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 10:25:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7MEOq804912 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:24:26 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8800@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'BryanRoach@XXXXXX'" , Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: AMA at VIR? Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:14:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Hey, we will ALL go! > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [SMTP:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 10:23 AM > To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: AMA at VIR? > > > Yep... the factory race haulers were pulling in as we were leaving on Sun. > > Factory Honda was also there, as well as a couple other major priavteer > teams > (Vesrah for one). > > Hope they decide to run there - I'll definatly go :) > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 12:19:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com (e23.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7MGJa806713 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e23.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24894 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:56:09 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.92) with SMTP id MAA24166 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:19:31 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256943.0059AAF6 ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:19:24 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256943.0059A3AE.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:19:04 -0400 Subject: Nolan helmet deal at Dixie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline This just in... Got a line on new Nolan helmets..Yvonne at Dixie Cycle (318-368-3172) has gotten a bunch in she bought from a distributor who is going out of business or something..Bottom line is $128.00 plus shipping..extra faceshields at $15.00... These are the flipup style....Pass it on if anyone is interested..... Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '58 / '65 Triton "kit" http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 15:13:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7MJDm809526 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:13:30 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0F5BA5@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Cleaning face sheilds Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:10:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Shannon complained (or bragged), "I finally got some good riding time in the past weekend, but I'm having a hard time cleaning all the dead bug parts off the face sheild. Any recommendations for cleaning that get all the streaks off, etc? It's a stock RF-800 sheild." Chuck Pena proposed, "Plexus and a soft cloth." Yes. that or Novus. Either is great (Whoa, is my face shield up or down?) If bug streaks are dried, soak em with a damp cloth first. a Con: You have to use cloth (no paper) with Plexus and the smallest can is ~ 6 oz a Pro: Novus also comes in a 2 oz bottle and you can use tissue (handy for on-the road) Happy medium: big can of Plexus at home, small bottle of Novus (with tissue in a Zip Lock) in the tank bag. Calvin cautioned: "Windex is very bad stuff for plastic from what I hear... Eventually it causes cloulding. I'm not sure if that's only with a certain type of plastic or all of it." Have heard that but evidently not for Shoei shields. I used ordinary Windex on my Shoei RF105 and X-8 shields for years - before I discovered Novus (Read Plastic in Rockville or yer local MC Shoppe). "Also, since it's a huge pain to try and fit the sunglasses on with the helmet, I'm thinking about getting a tinted shield. Are there any degrees of tint that folks would recommend or avoid?" Tinted shield are great -- if you only ride in the sunshine poser :^) I've used REI glass polarized shades for a long time. They cut glare well (B.S. about hiding oil spots is just that) Wide plastic earpieces don't dig into my hard head. The hinge screws tend come out if you don't Locktite them - but round toothpicks are a handy repair. Just remember as you approach a tunnel, move shades to tip of nose, so you can peek over them and . . . see . . . in . . . the . . . Dar-rk. (Guess how I know this) Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 15:39:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7MJdc809989 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000822193930.5248.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:39:30 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:39:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Cleaning face sheilds To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My method of removing bugs is to keep the shield polished regularly. I like Nu-Finish as it works extremely well with plastics. Then when stop while out riding I only need to use a damp chamois that I carry with me to remove said bugs. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 15:42:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7MJg0810002 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA13413; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:40:27 -0400 Message-ID: <39A2D75A.A2B5E6C1@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:41:14 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Balt-Cycles-l , "D.C.Cycles-L" , SuzukiBikes-L , Suzuki-l , Katana-L , gixette CC: Ronald P Kostin Subject: [Fwd: SOC-USA / Maryland's Web Site] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------3EDBBB22C69C4BD892B17220" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3EDBBB22C69C4BD892B17220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------3EDBBB22C69C4BD892B17220 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from stage.alltel.net (stage.alltel.net [166.102.165.27]) by gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA12039 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:01:12 -0400 Received: from mail.alltel.net (mail.alltel.net [166.102.165.30]) by stage.alltel.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09798; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:00:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from truett.cc.ga.us (truett.cc.ga.us [206.82.76.2]) by mail.alltel.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/ALLTEL Internet) with ESMTP id OAA12252; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:00:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from TMC_INTERNET/SpoolDir by truett.cc.ga.us (Mercury 1.45); 22 Aug 00 12:25:55 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by TMC_INTERNET (Mercury 1.45); 22 Aug 00 12:24:34 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: "Suzuki Owners Club - USA Officers List" Subject: SOC-USA / Maryland's Web Site Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:07:25 -0400 Reply-to: SOC-Oclub@XXXXXX Sender: Maiser@XXXXXX X-listname: Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) (via Mercury MTS (Bindery) v1.45) MIME-Version: 1.0 Comments: Originally To: "SOC-USA@XXXXXX" , Suzuki Owners Club - USA Officers List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <5AAAEB22880@truett.cc.ga.us> X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Zookeepers, On behalf of Ron Koston, I'd like to announce the Grand Opening of Maryland's, Suzuki Owners Club USA web site. There's still some content that needs to be added, but we'd like your input as to make our site better. Direct your comments to: Ronald P Kostin Maryland's web address is: http://www.geocities.com/socmd_us/ Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org The Suzuki Owners Club of America is not affiliated with Suzuki Motors Corp of America or Suzuki Motor Corp of Japan. The SOC Officers Discussion list is not endorsed or affiliated with Suzuki Motor Corp of America, Suzuki Motor Corp of Japan or Truett-McConnell College. This list is provided as a service to owners of Suzuki motorcycles. List members are expected to use their own judgement regarding info obtained from this list. The owners and operators of this list are not responsible for any damage resulting from info obtained from this list. Questions and problems with this list should be directed to: tom@XXXXXX --------------3EDBBB22C69C4BD892B17220-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 19:05:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7MN5U813286 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19922; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:58:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: "Custer, Carl" cc: "'DCCy'" Subject: Re: Cleaning face sheilds In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0F5BA5@DCHQCLEXHQ> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Custer, Carl wrote: > Shannon complained (or bragged) Since it's the first time I've ridden this year (due to 4 pins in the right ankle), I was just damned happy I could get on it again. > Yes. that or Novus. Either is great (Whoa, is my face shield up or > down?) If bug streaks are dried, soak em with a damp cloth first. a > Con: You have to use cloth (no paper) with Plexus and the smallest can > is ~ 6 oz a Pro: Novus also comes in a 2 oz bottle and you can use > tissue (handy for on-the road) Happy medium: big can of Plexus at > home, small bottle of Novus (with tissue in a Zip Lock) in the tank > bag. I'll have to go take a look at those options. Usually soap and water has done it, but I must have hit cicadas or something, they smeared BAD. I haven't seen bugs like this since I was forced to go into Arkansas against my will. Gah! > Calvin cautioned: "Windex is very bad stuff for plastic from what I hear... > Eventually it causes cloulding. I'm not sure if that's only with a certain > type of plastic or all of it." > Have heard that but evidently not for Shoei shields. I used ordinary Windex > on my Shoei RF105 and X-8 shields for years - before I discovered Novus I have Simple Green and generic Windex on hand. Neither looks appropriately plastic safe, and I figured someone had experience with specific products. Dad and sister ride with lids, so, they just clean their sunglasses. > "Also, since it's a huge pain to try and fit the sunglasses on with > the helmet, I'm thinking about getting a tinted shield. Are there any > degrees of tint that folks would recommend or avoid?" Tinted shield > are great -- if you only ride in the sunshine poser :^) Ok, that'd be me! I ride at night, but only occasionally. I'm still not keen on the "other vehicles not seeing me" thing. Had some jackass try to smack my front wheel Saturday at like 2pm, making a left in front of my lane. I can do without the "Oops, I didn't see that glaring white helmet and the light and the chrome" accidents. > I've used REI glass polarized shades for a long time. They cut glare > well (B.S. about hiding oil spots is just that) Wide plastic earpieces > don't dig into my hard head. The hinge screws tend come out if you > don't Locktite them - but round toothpicks are a handy repair. Have to keep that in mind. I have a pair of sunglasses that just are NOT cooperating with the helmet. I guess I should investigate while I've got the helmet with me, and see what fits. > Just remember as you approach a tunnel, move shades to tip of nose, so > you can peek over them and . . . see . . . in . . . the . . . Dar-rk. > (Guess how I know this) Same way I know that no matter how many times you can sit the helmet on the sissy bar successfully, you'll finally knock the damned thing over and drop the helmet (and scratch the face sheild enough that you have to buy a new one, no matter what you clean it with). Dammit, dammit, dammit. Stupid rider tricks. Shannon From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 19:37:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7MNb8813751 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-230-125.s125.tnt7.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.230.125] helo=twincam) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13RNbM-0005MK-00; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:37:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c00c92$68c567a0$7de6a4d8@twincam> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "mobacc" , "DC-Cycles" References: <004001c00bfc$5e8c6fe0$aca4fccd@micron> Subject: Re: I95 Electronic Toll Collections Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 05:16:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I don't know a specific time-frame. Many of the toll systems that are intended to cooperate with one another are just getting started. I suspect it will be awhile. k.loerich ----- Original Message ----- From: mobacc To: DC-Cycles Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 01:46 Subject: I95 Electronic Toll Collections > ***Original Message*** > From: "Kathleen Loerich" > ...snip > > ABATE of Maryland has been working on the Electronic Toll Collection problem > for over a year and we are nearing a final resolution. > > ...snip > > This should be relevant to Virginia as well. Virginia, Maryland, and most > Mid-Atlantic states use the Mark IV transponder for their electronic toll > collection. The ultimate goal for electronic toll collection is to have a > reciprocal toll collection system among the states along the I-95 corridor. > > ...snip > ********* > Applaudable efforts all. I understand that major problems remain in NJ in > particular, affecting of course its neighbors. Would there be current > forecasts on when the I95 Babel will be talking a common toll language? > > Bill S. / DC > 99 VN750 --> I tell tales of trying tolls > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 20:32:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7N0Wh814633 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-133-3.s3.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.133.3] helo=l4rite) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13ROTA-0007FR-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:32:40 -0400 Message-ID: <003b01c00c99$f0e2d120$0385a4d8@l4rite> From: "L4rite" To: Subject: track day at Summitt?!!!! Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:34:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Hey folks, is anyone going up for track day tomorrow...? I'm heading up to do the safetywork and what not.....just wondering if anyone was heading up also...actually most folks might not even know about it....well anyway c-ya there..later Les... From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 20:41:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r19.mx.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7N0fh814723 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.6d.8664b36 (4010) for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:41:29 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6d.8664b36.26d477b8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:41:28 EDT Subject: Re: Cop bike down To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 In a message dated 8/22/00 08:56:07 Eastern Daylight Time, eschelzig@XXXXXX writes: > Especially when they wear blankets in the winter. The blankets look silly, but they WORK! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 21:20:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from swillers.com (cbr.swillers.com [204.71.238.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7N1Jx815329 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swillers.com (ducati.swillers.com [204.71.238.66]) by swillers.com (8.10.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e7N1Htr24040 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:17:55 -0400 Message-ID: <39A328D7.2620E580@swillers.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:28:56 -0400 From: David Carlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Another friendly Dr. Gridlock column Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a SmartTag built into the fairing of my VFR. It works fine. I've mounted the little box right next to the headlight, inside the front cowl. --Dave 2000 VFR800FI > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 04:14:49 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Louis F. Caplan" > Subject: Another friendly Dr. Gridlock column > To: DC-Cycles > > In today's Dr. Gridlock's column > ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60959-2000Aug20.html ), a > motorcyclist complained that he was told he could not get a Dulles Toll Road > Smart Pass. Dr. Gridlock spoke to the manager of the Toll Road and found out > that motorcyclists now CAN get the Smart Passes. He then added: > > "You're right, Mr. Freal. The more people who abandon larger vehicles for > motorcycles, the better for all of us. Motorcycle operators: Please advise Dr. > Gridlock of any troubles you've had on the Dulles Toll Road--or anywhere else > on your commute--because you ride a motorcycle." > > Louis From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 22 23:33:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7N3XU817361 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000823033322.17850.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.83.150] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:33:22 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:33:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Another friendly Dr. Gridlock column To: David Carlo , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii and how would you like your SmartTag cooked, sir? ;) obviously i'm having trouble picturing where you stuck that thing most people i know who use these things either have them in the map pocket of a non-magnetic tankbag, in the check pocket of a jacket, or velcroed to the inside of the windscreen --- David Carlo wrote: > I have a SmartTag built into the fairing of my VFR. > It works fine. > I've mounted the little box right next to the > headlight, inside the > front cowl. > > --Dave > 2000 VFR800FI __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 07:03:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7NB3V825120 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000823110324.17820.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.11.25] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 04:03:24 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 04:03:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: I95 Electronic Toll Collections To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A few days ago I finally got the EZPass since I do a lot of travel to NYC (girlfriend) and Connecticut (family). In a month or two, the NJ Turnpike is supposed to start accepting the EZPass (they have to get them all on line at once). I got two of them, one for the cage, and one for the bike. I was surprised that they were both the same, I thought the bike one might have different markings on it to signify that is was for a motorcycle. I sent a posting to the New York City Moto-list asking a few questions about it. Apparently the EZPass thread up there is similar to our gun thread here, not very pleasing and causes everyone to get excited. They are still battling it out, but it seems that if you get the pass from the NY MTA EZPass service, they mark it with a big M on the back. If you get it from the NJ EZPass, they don't mark it any differently, and you may or may not get motorcycle rates. (I got it from NJ). Too bad VA doesn't accept the EZPass system yet, even though I don't use any of their toll roads regularly. The tunnels in Baltimore are supposed to start accepting them in 2001. Once that happens, I would be able to drive the whole way without having to stop once for a tollbooth. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 http://MD-20-20.tripod.com Home Page: http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 07:49:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hqmail.usda.gov (hqmail.usda.gov [199.128.3.90]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NBmu825771 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from x400@localhost) by hqmail.usda.gov (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.7.3) id HAA24490; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text X400-MTS-Identifier: [/P=GOV+USDA/A=wsc.ag.gov.203.1/C=us/;000823074809] Content-Identifier: RE: Cleaning fac UA-Content-Id: RE: Cleaning fac Autoforwarded: FALSE Priority: 3 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Personal Received: by ATTMAIL; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 7:46:05 -0400 Received: by hqmail.usda.gov; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 7:46:08 -0400 Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.1; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 7:46:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 7:46:07 -0400 From: "Custer, Carl" Subject: RE: Cleaning face sheilds To: "'Tansey'" Cc: "'DCCy'" Message-Id: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0F5BA8@DCHQCLEXHQ> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetJunction 4.7-p2)/MIME > > Shannon complained (or bragged) > Since it's the first time I've ridden this year (due to 4 pins in the > right ankle), I was just damned happy I could get on it again. [Carl sez] Congratulations > > Happy medium: big can of Plexus at > > home, small bottle of Novus (with tissue in a Zip Lock) in the tank bag. > > I'll have to go take a look at those options. Usually soap and water has > done it, but I must have hit cicadas or something, they smeared BAD. I > haven't seen bugs like this since I was forced to go into Arkansas against > my will. Gah! [Carl sez] Cicadas are an excellent source of fat and protein so should be 1. boogers to clean off 2. another reason to wear a full face helmet. > I have Simple Green and generic Windex on hand. Neither looks > appropriately plastic safe, and I figured someone had experience with > specific products. Dad and sister ride with lids, so, they just clean > their sunglasses. [Carl sez] Again, my Shoei 105 & X-8 shields survived several years of Windex but Novus is cheap and so very effective > > Tinted shields > > are great -- if you only ride in the sunshine poser :^) > > Ok, that'd be me! I ride at night, but only occasionally. I'm still not > keen on the "other vehicles not seeing me" thing. Had some jackass try to > smack my front wheel Saturday at like 2pm, making a left in front of my > lane. I can do without the "Oops, I didn't see that glaring white helmet > and the light and the chrome" accidents. [Carl sez] Hmmm, just this morning I was thinking about writing up a street survival article. (Jerry's generosity has me jonesing for another check) Rule#1 Conspicuity: Theory: if BDCs see you, they'll usually opt to not hit you (scratches the paint) Practice: a. Forgittabout black. Looks good in the movies; you're on the streets. b. Aux lights. <$20 at Wally Mart gets you a decent pair of driving-fog lights. Not as pur-ty as Helas or Pilots but they're bright. c. Lane placement, remember the MSF! d. Loud horns. <$30 at Pep Boyz will get you a set of Big Honkin' Tooters to jolt BDCs out of their reverie. Note that humans (& even BDCs) respond more quickly to visual stimuli (see a-c). Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through rain, sun, and snow, but no ice! '85 VF700S "Rocin-ahorito" '80 GS450E "Caballoante" (RIP); '84 VF700S (??); '83 'Ceptor "666"; 1997 AeroStich Roadcrafter "Fred the Red"; FOM #3, AMA 676120; FOO/FOP; OGM #008; FMOENMC #0002 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 07:55:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3604.mail.yahoo.com (web3604.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7NBt7825859 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000823115500.22760.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web3604.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 04:55:00 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 04:55:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: I95 Electronic Toll Collections To: "Louis F. Caplan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is excellent news. One of the complaints I have about these is except for EZ-Pass all of these systems are different, that is with MD and VA having their own systems. I also have an EZ-Pass because not only do you not have to wait in line but the toll is cheaper with EZ-Pass. And BTW supposdly WV accepts EZ-Pass. Glenn --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > Too bad VA doesn't accept the EZPass system yet, > even though I don't use any of > their toll roads regularly. The tunnels in > Baltimore are supposed to start > accepting them in 2001. Once that happens, I would > be able to drive the whole > way without having to stop once for a tollbooth. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 08:22:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NCMJ826319 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA256688 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A3C1F0.95AA94A0@radix.net> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:22:08 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'DCCy'" Subject: Re: Cleaning face sheilds References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0F5BA8@DCHQCLEXHQ> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Custer, Carl" wrote: ... > [Carl sez] Hmmm, just this morning I was thinking about writing up > a street survival article. (Jerry's generosity has me > jonesing for another check) > > Rule#1 Conspicuity: > Theory: if BDCs see you, they'll usually opt to not hit you > (scratches the paint) > Practice: > a. Forgittabout black. Looks good in the movies; you're on > the streets. > > [Dave says] been in basic black for 8 years now. I can't say > it helps visibility, but I can't say it's hurt me either > as most BDC's are so inattentive as to be more concerned > with other, more important things - like their cell phones... > I find that for these drivers, it's best to practice light & > noise discipline avoiding their noticing me at all costs until > I'm past them... > b. Aux lights. <$20 at Wally Mart gets you a decent pair of > driving-fog lights. Not as pur-ty as Helas or Pilots but > they're bright. > c. Lane placement, remember the MSF! > d. Loud horns. <$30 at Pep Boyz will get you a set of Big > Honkin' Tooters to jolt BDCs out of their reverie. > Note that humans (& even BDCs) respond more quickly > to visual stimuli (see a-c). [Dave says] > I want 2 horns 1: Primary, 130 dB or higher for regular use. > 2: last resort. So powerful, I can only use it once as it will destroy > my entire electrical system with only one use. But, BDC I use it on > will NEVER cut off another rider... Still looking for the right setup :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 08:24:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e24.nc.us.ibm.com (e24.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NCON826329 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e24.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA34478; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:26:34 -0500 From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.35]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.92) with SMTP id IAA24366; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:24:18 -0400 Received: by d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256944.0044218E ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:24:10 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: MJordan666@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256944.00441F7B.00@d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:24:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Cop bike down Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >>In a message dated 8/22/00 08:56:07 Eastern Daylight Time, eschelzig@XXXXXX >>writes: >> Especially when they wear blankets in the winter. >The blankets look silly, but they WORK! >Michael J. Hey, do ya suppose they have electric blankets or are they reserved for the BMWs? Last winter wasn't that cold but there were a few mornings when I would have really appreciated a blanket for the ride in. Regards, Tom Knapik '83 CX650C E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 08:57:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NCvv826850 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-224.patriot.net [209.249.180.224]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7NCvnd07288; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:57:49 -0400 Message-ID: <39A3C848.BEAF68E4@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:49:12 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: knapik@XXXXXX CC: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cop bike down References: <85256944.00441F7B.00@d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit knapik@XXXXXX wrote: > Hey, do ya suppose they have electric blankets or are they reserved for the > BMWs? Last winter wasn't that cold but there were a few mornings when I > would have really appreciated a blanket for the ride in. > Nope, just a blanket. A harley engine makes enough heat to warm up a modest home. Drape a blankee over your lap on those chilly days and your nads will be sweating in no time. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 09:24:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NDNw827232 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08939 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:23:25 -0400 Message-ID: <39A3D07F.2636B562@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:24:16 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: Cleaning face sheilds References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's my solution ;) for cleaning face shields. Since I wear glasses, I bought "Clear & Clean" from my Wal-Mart Vision Center. I got it for about $3.00, or so, for a 2 oz. bottle. The small bottle fits easily in the tank bag, and you can get free refills, which is always nice. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 09:39:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7NDdM827485 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9321 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2000 13:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.36.153.179) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2000 13:40:43 -0000 Message-ID: <39A3D3D9.A34B112C@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:38:33 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tansey CC: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" Subject: Re: Cleaning face sheilds References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tansey wrote: > > Dad and sister ride with lids, so, they just clean > their sunglasses. And pick their teeth? :) Hork -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 09:39:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com (e23.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NDdu827488 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e23.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA34900; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:16:30 -0500 From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.35]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.92) with SMTP id JAA47388; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:39:53 -0400 Received: by d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256944.004B0F57 ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:39:51 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256944.004B0DFF.00@d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:39:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Cop bike down Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX wrote: >>Nope, just a blanket. A harley engine makes enough heat to warm up a modest >>home. Drape a blankee over your lap on those chilly days and your nads will be >>sweating in no time. >>Bill A modest home???? Hey, another reason for buying a harley!!!! Of course, I have to assume that means you need an ice pack for the non winter months, huh? Regards, Tom Knapik '83 CX650C E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 09:49:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NDnR827675 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-224.patriot.net [209.249.180.224]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7NDnJd14646; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:49:20 -0400 Message-ID: <39A3D45B.472A4758@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:40:43 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: knapik@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cop bike down References: <85256944.004B0DFF.00@d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit knapik@XXXXXX wrote: > bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX wrote: > >>Nope, just a blanket. A harley engine makes enough heat to warm up a > modest > >>home. Drape a blankee over your lap on those chilly days and your nads > will be > >>sweating in no time. > > >>Bill > A modest home???? Hey, another reason for buying a harley!!!! Of course, > I have to assume that means you need an ice pack for the non winter months, > huh? > In non-winter months you don't wanna be caught in a car jam. Unless you enjoy sweating - cleans the pores etc etc... From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 09:50:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NDnw827678 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24492; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:43:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: Dale Horstman cc: "'DCCy'" Subject: Re: Cleaning face sheilds In-Reply-To: <39A3D3D9.A34B112C@flashmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Dale Horstman wrote: > > Dad and sister ride with lids, so, they just clean > > their sunglasses. > > And pick their teeth? :) Yeah, pretty much. Dad's 55, so I can't really tell him what to do, but I tell mom how they get road rash out of your skin at the hospital and she bugs him some. Sister rides in DC, so she's got bigger things to avoid than bug guts. Shannon From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 09:58:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e22.nc.us.ibm.com (e22.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NDwr827862 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e22.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA35844; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:35:27 -0500 From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.35]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.92) with SMTP id JAA44728; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:58:45 -0400 Received: by d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256944.004CC93B ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:58:42 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256944.004CC5FA.00@d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:58:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Cop bike down Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline > bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX wrote: >>In non-winter months you don't wanna be caught in a car jam. Unless you enjoy >>sweating - cleans the pores etc etc... Hey, my Honda does the same thing when the fan kicks in at a light or in heavy traffic!!! Maybe its a harley wannabe?? Bottom line, car jams are a pain, ya gotta keep movin. Regards, Tom Knapik '83 CX650C E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 10:20:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulc ([204.71.40.56]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NEK4828289 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cw.net ([204.71.42.110]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) with ESMTPA id <0FZR00L3B14YW0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:19:48 -0400 From: David Carlo Subject: Re: Another friendly Dr. Gridlock column To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <39A3DD84.900B11D8@cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20000823033322.17850.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Here are some pics of the front and side of my bike: http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/models/2000/sport/interceptor/images/pic11.jpg http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/models/2000/sport/interceptor/images/pic4.jpg At first I shoved it between the clear windscreen and the cowling over the Honda logo (see first pic). Worked Ok, but looked like shit. Then, to install the box in the bike, I pulled the black plastic cover off that you see under below the handle bars (see second pic). That allowed me to get to the front cowling from the inside. I used that hard velcro that came with the SmartTag to secure the SmartTag to the inside of the cowling, right next to the headlight. Most sportbikes have some wasted space in the front cowling; I finally found a use for it. --Dave 2000 VFR800FI Tom Gimer wrote: > and how would you like your SmartTag cooked, sir? ;) > > obviously i'm having trouble picturing where you stuck > that thing > > most people i know who use these things either have > them in the map pocket of a non-magnetic tankbag, in > the check pocket of a jacket, or velcroed to the > inside of the windscreen > > --- David Carlo wrote: > > I have a SmartTag built into the fairing of my VFR. > > It works fine. > > I've mounted the little box right next to the > > headlight, inside the > > front cowl. > > > > --Dave > > 2000 VFR800FI > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 11:07:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NF7Y829037 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kawgirl (kawgirl.kivex.com [208.213.150.18]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id LAA06776 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:07:11 -0400 (EDT) From: lisa X-Sender: lgoddard@kawgirl To: dccycles Subject: D'oh!!! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII from my husband: there are those who have been down, There are those who will go down, And there are those of us who ahve gone down twice. Last night I hit something slick on the 28/270 ramp and dumped it at about 40MPH. The bike lowsided and I landed right on my bad shoulder, and it feels fine. Barnacle bill puts good armour in his suits. I now need a lower, a upper, a front turn signal, a Micron can, a foot peg and some good drugs for my briused ribs. More later. I am at work now and have to go. I can't believe I crashed 8 hours ago and I rode Lisa's bike to work. I will never learn. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 11:50:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NFoV829756 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA301641 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A3F2B9.59DF4C5E@radix.net> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:50:18 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dccycles Subject: Re: D'oh!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lisa wrote: > > from my husband: > > there are those who have been down, > There are those who will go down, > And there are those of us who ahve gone down twice. Not sounding like an uplifting story already... > > Last night I hit something slick on the 28/270 ramp and dumped it at > about 40MPH. Bogus. My condolences & best wishes for a speedy recovery for you & your bike. > The bike lowsided and I landed right on my bad shoulder, and it feels > fine. Barnacle bill puts good armour in his suits. Good to know, sounds like physically, you made out ok... > I now need a lower, a upper, a front turn signal, a Micron can, a foot > peg and some good drugs for my briused ribs. Bruised ribs are worse (more painful) than broken ribs - figure that. I had a ladder accident about 10 years ago, ending up with bruised ribs, it was a slow healing... While it's not 'really' a pain reliever, I highly recommend the Dental N2O. Make sure you use it judiciously at the office though as your mates will surely get T.O.'d at your constantly good mood... :-) > > More later. I am at work now and have to go. I can't believe I crashed > 8 hours ago and I rode Lisa's bike to work. I will never learn. Well, at least you'll have fun not learning ;-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 12:16:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NGGJ800249 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kawgirl (kawgirl.kivex.com [208.213.150.18]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id MAA11369 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:16:01 -0400 (EDT) From: lisa X-Sender: lgoddard@kawgirl To: dccycles Subject: hello Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Rob with the VFR, are you out there? Give me a shout if you are. Lisa Goddard From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 12:35:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NGZK800555 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:35:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200008231235.AA4587940@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: CC: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Nissan calls its SUV "intimidating" "aggressive" X-Mailer: Hi, Dr. Gridlock, Have you seen the Nissan ad on page D10 in today's (Aug 23) Post yet? Nissan is advertising its Frontier SUV as "intimidating" and "aggressive". They say you should "Get it. Before it gets you.". Just what we need, eh? ... more intimidating and aggressive drivers in SUVs. Chris Norloff Falls Church, VA cnorloff@XXXXXX 703.248.2909 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 14:41:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NIfE802521 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from navieg1.trw.com by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:39:37 -0700 Received: (from RESVA-MS6 [158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2000082311393922626 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:39:39 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:39:28 -0400 Message-Id: <39A41A69.64D6863F@trw.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:39:37 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Spam - Race Bike For Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Cyclers! Ever thought about taking up motorcycle road racing? Well start saving your pennies, 'cause I've got the deal for you! My '99 Suzuki SV650 will be for sale for $6300 after the WERA Grand National Final (GNF) in mid-October. This is a great way to get into the sport; a lightweight bike that is competitive, supremely easy to ride, dead reliable, and easy on tires. The bike is completely ready to race (and win, if you're into that kind of thing). The list of modifications: * Stock front end w/ RaceTech emulators and .95 springs * Penske Shock (the cheaper (ha ha) $700 one) * SpeedWerks ride height dog bones * Hindle pipe (the motor is otherwise completely stock w/ complete stock airbox, except for tranny (see below)) * Tranny cross-cut, cryoed and indexed, up and down * Braided lines * Axljack aluminum sub-frame * GSXR Tach w/ Graves ZX6R upper fairing bracket * Complete Sharkskinz fairing w/ TLS tail, painted w/ novice # plates * CFM rearsets and pegs * Vortex clip-ons I have all of the stock parts plus several sets of Bridgestone slicks with some life left in them, and rain tires. Some pictures are here: http://www.speed-werks.com/foolrabbit/RM1.html You can find more on my website or at www.svrider.com. I will be at Summit Point, WV this weekend and at Nelson Ledges in Ohio the following weekend if anyone would like to see the bike in action. You don't have to reply right away. I just wanted to let anyone considering such a purchase know that mine will be available soon. Thanks! Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 15:17:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7NJHg803166 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 28178 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2000 12:17:28 -0700 Date: 23 Aug 2000 12:17:28 -0700 Message-ID: <20000823191728.28177.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 23 Aug 2000 19:17:28 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 23 Aug 2000 12:17:28 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: Re: Spam - Race Bike For Sale On Wed, 23 August 2000, Randy Moran wrote: My '99 > Suzuki SV650 will be for sale for $6300 after the WERA Grand National > Final (GNF) in mid-October. Gorgeous, gorgeous bike! Anyone would be crazy to pass this one up!!!! Laura Granato > ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 15:18:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NJIM803176 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com ([207.223.178.73]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03231; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A44F02.F111D63E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:24:02 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Moran CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Spam - Race Bike For Sale References: <39A41A69.64D6863F@trw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy Moran wrote : > > The list of modifications: > > * Stock front end w/ RaceTech emulators and .95 springs Hey Randy, why would I want a m/c with less than 100% springs??? %^) Otherwise, sounds like a sweet deal! Chuck From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 15:52:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f146.hotmail.com [216.32.181.146]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NJqo803744 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:52:41 -0700 Received: from 208.36.208.2 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.36.208.2] From: "Kewl GT" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Group riding hand signals Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:52:41 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2000 19:52:41.0581 (UTC) FILETIME=[B28731D0:01C00D3B] Some hand signals to use, I found at one of the various motorcycle related websites. The one about spotting a cop is new to me. Thought they might be useful to some. Regards Sanath To indicate to the rider behind you that you want him to pass or ride up next to you in the same lane M-^V Run your arm back and forth alongside your bike on the side you want them to pass on. To indicate you are moving to the other half of your lane - Stick your foot out in the direction you are moving To let riders behind you know about a hazard in the road - Point at it with your foot or hand To let the rest of the group know that you spotted a cop M-^V Pat the top of your helmet with your left hand. Be sure to make this action noticeable to riders in the back of the group. To tell another rider that they left their turn signal on M-^V Hold your left hand up and repeatedly touch your thumb to your fingers. To indicate that you need to get gas M-^V Just point at your gas tank. To indicate that you have spotted a hot chick in a nearby vehicle M-^V Raise the roof. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 16:15:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NKFT804159 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-108.cybercable.com [204.188.47.108]) by idalee.loudoun.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7NKEMn02370 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A430DD.1EE44FB7@loudoun.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:15:55 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Reply-To: jmoran@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Spam - Race Bike For Sale References: <39A41A69.64D6863F@trw.com> <39A44F02.F111D63E@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Chuck, I'm not sure if they work to the full 100%. I only use them at about 75% I'm sure... Seriously, I really don't even know what .95 means in the grand scheme of things...basically these springs are on the stiffer end of the normal "racing springs" spectrum. Randy Chuck Pena wrote: > Randy Moran wrote : > > > > The list of modifications: > > > > * Stock front end w/ RaceTech emulators and .95 springs > > Hey Randy, why would I want a m/c with less than 100% springs??? %^) > Otherwise, sounds like a sweet deal! > > Chuck From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 16:32:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NKWU804396 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id j.a4.8985e8e (3969); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:32:03 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:32:03 EDT Subject: Re: Spam - Race Bike For Sale To: jmoran@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 In a message dated 8/23/00 4:17:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmoran@XXXXXX writes: > Seriously, I really don't even know what .95 means in the grand scheme > of things...basically these springs are on the stiffer end of the normal > "racing springs" spectrum. .95 is the "spring rate". Basically when a suspension tuner is setting up a bike, he takes into account the bike itself, rider weight, riding style/preference, and determines the spring rate to use in the front shocks. The numer actually means .95kg/mm which describes the amount of mass it takes to compress the spring. _ Roach (Playing Mr. Wizard today) From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 16:36:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NKaa804475 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-108.cybercable.com [204.188.47.108]) by idalee.loudoun.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7NKZKn04447; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A435C9.5523ED7C@loudoun.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:36:56 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Reply-To: jmoran@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Spam - Race Bike For Sale References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, what he said. : ) Thanks, Brian. Randy BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/23/00 4:17:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jmoran@XXXXXX writes: > > > Seriously, I really don't even know what .95 means in the grand scheme > > of things...basically these springs are on the stiffer end of the normal > > "racing springs" spectrum. > > .95 is the "spring rate". Basically when a suspension tuner is setting up a > bike, he takes into account the bike itself, rider weight, riding > style/preference, and determines the spring rate to use in the front shocks. > The numer actually means .95kg/mm which describes the amount of mass it takes > to compress the spring. > > _ Roach > (Playing Mr. Wizard today) From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 23 17:32:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5204.mail.yahoo.com (web5204.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7NLWb805348 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000823213226.12614.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.90.6] by web5204.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:32:26 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:32:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Nissan calls its SUV "intimidating" "aggressive" To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You Rang? -Corbett '93 Montero SUV --- Chris Norloff wrote: > Hi, Dr. Gridlock, > > Have you seen the Nissan ad on page D10 in today's > (Aug 23) Post yet? Nissan is advertising its > Frontier SUV as "intimidating" and "aggressive". > They say you should "Get it. Before it gets you.". > > Just what we need, eh? ... more intimidating and > aggressive drivers in SUVs. > > Chris Norloff > Falls Church, VA > cnorloff@XXXXXX > 703.248.2909 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 07:12:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OBCO818880 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA69408 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:00:59 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.93) with SMTP id HAA32420 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:12:21 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256945.003D8ADF ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:12:12 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256945.003D89B6.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:12:06 -0400 Subject: re: Group riding hand signals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7OBCt818881 Sanath wrote... To indicate that you need to get gas ? Just point at your gas tank. [Rich sez] To indicate that you have to make a restroom stop, it is not advisable to point at your naughty parts. The meaning may be clear to you, but if misunderstood by others (or their spouses), can lead to dire consequences. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '58 / '65 Triton "kit" http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 08:08:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OC8r819702 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:08:46 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0F5BC7@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Cleaning face shields, Now tooters Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:08:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Yates yearns for >I want 2 horns 1: Primary, 130 dB or higher for regular use. > 2: last resort. So powerful, I can only use it once as it will destroy > my entire electrical system with only one use. But, BDC I use it on > will NEVER cut off another rider... Still looking for the right setup :-) The PBz tooters on my bike work quite well, The buddy following me said the BDC that was "nooging" me hit his head on the roof when I tooted. Probably wondered where the semi came from. >:^> But, if you're looking for damage: Hmmm, Air tank or double air pumps dumping into metal Fiamm horns, or big capacitors that dump into a laser, or simple 19th century technology: 20 mm semiautomatic cannon. (Oh no, not another cannon thread) Carl in Bethesda. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 08:22:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OCMs819937 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA401829 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A51391.BFEAD62@radix.net> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:22:41 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'DCCy'" Subject: Re: Cleaning face shields, Now tooters References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0F5BC7@DCHQCLEXHQ> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Custer, Carl" wrote: > > Yates yearns for > >I want 2 horns 1: Primary, 130 dB or higher for regular use. > > 2: last resort. So powerful, I can only use it once > > as it will destroy my entire electrical system > > with only one use. But, BDC I use it on > > will NEVER cut off another rider... Still looking > > for the right setup :-) Carl Asserts- > The PBz tooters on my bike work quite well, > The buddy following me said the BDC that was "nooging" me hit his head on > the roof when I tooted. Probably wondered where the semi came from. >:^> Now we're talkin'. Where'd you get the horns ??? [don't tell me you were born with them ;-) ] > > But, if you're looking for damage: > Hmmm, > Air tank or double air pumps dumping into metal Fiamm horns, possible to run a 2nd alternator/generator on a ZX 11 ??? or > big capacitors that dump into a laser, or > simple 19th century technology: > 20 mm semiautomatic cannon. (Oh no, not another cannon thread) That seems so... Anti technology. I'd just be happy with deafening, ground shaking, glass shattering, BDC frightening horns that when used would most certainly give the target.... reason to pause... in the future. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 08:37:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OCb4820174 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25354 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:36:55 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000824083027.00be9790@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:36:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: If I had seen them I would have shot them... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Woke up this morning to find 3 of my 4 wheels on the Acura stolen - car on bricks. Alarm went off, neighbors heard nothing. Officer just got here and said this kind of theft is escalating in NoVA. Watch your cars and bikes.... ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 08:51:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OCp8820427 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23617; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:51:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:51:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000824083027.00be9790@mail.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Woke up this morning to find 3 of my 4 wheels on the Acura stolen - car on > bricks. Alarm went off, neighbors heard nothing. Officer just got here > and said this kind of theft is escalating in NoVA. Watch your cars and > bikes.... Where, generally, in NoVA? I think this has been discussed previously, but, are ther eany good places to rent a garage in NoVA? I just need enough space for one bike, but it would be nice if it was secure, and if they didn't mind if I did minor repairs there once in a while. I hoping that there are some storage facilities that allow that sort of thing, and would almost prefer that they be outside the beltway -- where I could drive the cage and park, get the bike, ride and not have to dodge ass-holes/pot-holes etc. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 08:52:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OCqP820437 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25385 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:52:18 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000824085144.00bdaca0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:52:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000824083027.00be9790@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:51 AM 8/24/2000 , Dan Brown wrote: >Where, generally, in NoVA? Right next door to Laura Granato in Centreville - at the triangle of 66/29/28 ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 08:52:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OCqk820447 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA452998 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A51A92.5276E2D1@radix.net> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:52:34 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... References: <4.2.0.58.20000824083027.00be9790@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > > Woke up this morning to find 3 of my 4 wheels on the Acura stolen - car on > bricks. Alarm went off, neighbors heard nothing. Officer just got here > and said this kind of theft is escalating in NoVA. Watch your cars and > bikes.... That stinks. While I'm certainly not the poster boy for exemplary temper control, DO NOT pop caps at anyone for a property offense around here. Va. is more tolerant than MD or DC, but basically, shooting a firearm is considered lethal force application, & is legal basically to defend your life, well being or another's, but not property. My condolences on your loss. Hope you have a low ins. deductible... FWIW, a buddy in WBGVA had a similar problem. I reccomended 2 motion sensor 500w halogen spotlights (they turn night into day, I'm here to tell you). He did, & the 1st night he installed them, he sat up & waited for the hooligans. 'told me it was pretty impressive when they scattered when the lights came on... HTH. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 09:04:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OD44820634 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25432 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:03:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000824090252.00bd4ad0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:03:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... In-Reply-To: <39A51A92.5276E2D1@radix.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20000824083027.00be9790@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:52 AM 8/24/2000 , Dave Yates wrote: >DO NOT pop caps at anyone for a property offense around >here. Va. is more tolerant than MD or DC, but basically, shooting a >firearm is considered lethal force application But they were wielding tire irons officer! Laura probably would have pulled out her cap gun before me anyway. No gun thread, I promise. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 09:20:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h011.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7ODK5820939 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 23462 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2000 06:19:57 -0700 Date: 24 Aug 2000 06:19:57 -0700 Message-ID: <20000824131957.23461.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 24 Aug 2000 13:19:57 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 24 Aug 2000 06:19:57 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: mike@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... Laura probably would have > pulled out her cap gun before me anyway. Cap gun? Cap gun? Oh...those guys would have ran when they saw this chick with her 9! :-) Got home at 11 or so, and your car was fine. I think we may have to start our own type of "neighborhood watch," one that assholes like this will run for their lives from! Sorry to see your car this morning Mike...pretty upsetting. :-( Laura > > > ______________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org > > A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 09:24:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ODO2820949 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (wbg-va8-26.ix.netcom.com [206.217.111.154]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26801; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A54D7C.9F320DA8@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:29:48 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... References: <4.2.0.58.20000824083027.00be9790@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, Two words: THAT SUCKS! Hope they didn't do any real damage to your car. Makes me very thankful that my car and m/c are parked in a secure garage. One thing you might want to consider (unless you already had these and they were defeated by the hooligans) are locking lug nuts, one on each wheel. Usually conspicious to would-be theives so that they just pass and move on to the next easier mark (of course, probably not as big a deterrent for a truly professional car thief -- but such person is probably more interested in your whole car and not just 3 out of 4 wheels). There are two kinds of locks that I've used (sometimes both at the same time). One is an actual replacement lug nut with a key or tool required to remove it. Standard equipment these days on a lot of cars (e.g., my Trooper) and most dealers sell them (but you can probably find them at other places cheaper than a dealer). The other is a "cap" -- usually anodized color so it's conspicious -- that fits over an existing lug nut. Clamps down by turning a special key. Can't be taken off the lug nut without the key. These I've only seen at "specialty" car stoes (e.g., rice boy tuner/accessory shops). I know all this advice doesn't help with your present situation, but hopefully helps for the future (as well as for anybody else on the list worried about the wheels on their cars). Oh yeah, as a general rule (at least in VA) shooting someone to protect property is usually not considered a legal use of lethal force. Somewhere along the line you're gonna hafta prove that either your's or someone else's life was in grave danger of death or serious bodily harm. On the other hand, I would bet 9 times out of 10 that your average hooligan would freeze dead in his tracks while you held him at gunpoint while someone else dialed 911 and you kept him there until the 5-0 showed up. Just make sure the person calling the cops explains to them that the guy holding the gun is the good guy! %^) Chuck Troutman wrote: > > Woke up this morning to find 3 of my 4 wheels on the Acura stolen - car on > bricks. Alarm went off, neighbors heard nothing. Officer just got here > and said this kind of theft is escalating in NoVA. Watch your cars and > bikes.... From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 09:35:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ODZb821194 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (wbg-va8-26.ix.netcom.com [206.217.111.154]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25098 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A55032.987106E1@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:41:22 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: [Fwd: Re: Fuckin Maryland Cops] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you that don't tune in to alt.motorcycle.sportbike. This has been one great troll. At least I hope it is and that Sum Ting Wong is not for real! %^) His original post is below this one. Enjoy! Chuck -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Fuckin Maryland Cops Date: 24 Aug 2000 04:05:06 GMT From: troublewalkin@XXXXXX (Sum Ting Wong) Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: alt.motorcycle.sportbike References: Damn people, Why you be trippin? I have been gone awhile but now I am bizack. I was on web tv but now my ass upgraded to the real deal. Anyway cuz, My r-1 was wrecked and bought a acura with my chizeck bizithch. Now I roll with the superstars on a Zx9r and its every bit as fast as my R1 but is way more comfortable. It cost me 250 benjamns to get my bike back from the Md state bacon patrol...Man I am tired of the boys in blue rollin up on my crew....Man I say its time to say Fuck you... I hear Dc sportbike is talking shit about my crew well I say meet us down on New york Ave this friday and we will see who the craziest motha fuckas on 2 wheels is. I heard about the homie who lost it on the 395 tunnel racing one of the superstars, man you people will not get it....Any other crew in the DC balti area wanna get your squid on let us know..Have bike will travel... Oh yea one more Thizing.....Fuck operation rocket round up... Pizeace, Da Starman Bright Ass Green 99' ZX-9R Bright Ass Red Acura Integra Type-R "Asian Thug 4 Life" "Asian Slim Shady" ORIGINAL POST: > Man, > me and my crew ( the Md Superstars) be flyin around the Beltway and hitin like > 150 and shit and this fuckin cop on a bmw pulls up behind me and starts > flashing his lights and shit. Man I didnt know this guy was a cop, and I just > down shifted and let it go baby.....I then looked in my rear view and I be > crusin at 150 and this bacon boy was right behind me......I noticed that my > peeps were no longer behind me and then I got concerned.. I decided that I > could make it to the va line but as I passed the redskins stadium not only were > there 2 marked md state boys but 5 PG county as well and they blocked all the > lanes doing what they called later a rolling road block. Man I just gave up > after that and got locked up for the weekend...Man just got out of lock up > baby, and my 9 still is in the impound.....Damn My crew are gonna be goin to va > more often. This one pig said there was a helecopter over me and I had no > chance but that I didnt see. > OUT. > Pizeace, > Da Starman > Bright Ass Green 99' ZX-9R From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 09:42:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h011.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7ODgL821289 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 23865 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2000 06:42:15 -0700 Date: 24 Aug 2000 06:42:15 -0700 Message-ID: <20000824134215.23864.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 24 Aug 2000 13:42:15 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 24 Aug 2000 06:42:15 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... On Thu, 24 August 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > > Somewhere along the line you're gonna hafta prove that either your's or > someone else's life was in grave danger of death or serious bodily > harm. And to drill that down even further, it should only be someone that is a part of your family or "very" close to you that you are legally allowed to protect in that manner. On the other hand, I would bet 9 times out of 10 that your > average hooligan would freeze dead in his tracks while you held him at > gunpoint while someone else dialed 911 and you kept him there until the > 5-0 showed up. That is what neighbors are for! I could tell the cops the reason their knee cap was shot was because I was nervous and accidentally pulled the trigger. I'm a girl, I could get away with that. ;-) Just kidding. Laura > Troutman wrote: > > > > Woke up this morning to find 3 of my 4 wheels on the Acura stolen - car on > > bricks. Alarm went off, neighbors heard nothing. Officer just got here > > and said this kind of theft is escalating in NoVA. Watch your cars and > > bikes.... ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 09:44:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3604.mail.yahoo.com (web3604.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7ODiu821299 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000824134448.4085.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3604.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 06:44:48 PDT Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 06:44:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Did you have wheel locks? If not I'd suggest getting some with the new wheels. They won't stop everyone but they help. Oh and be sure to buy McGard, they are the best out there that I have seen. Glenn --- Troutman wrote: > Woke up this morning to find 3 of my 4 wheels on the > Acura stolen - car on > bricks. Alarm went off, neighbors heard nothing. > Officer just got here > and said this kind of theft is escalating in NoVA. > Watch your cars and > bikes.... > > ______________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org > > A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for > doing well. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 09:51:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ODpk821463 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (wbg-va8-26.ix.netcom.com [206.217.111.154]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03312; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A553F5.90EC0C22@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:57:25 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... References: <20000824134215.23864.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, as a girl you probably could get away with it. It is generally considered that women are at a disadvantage if faced with a male assailant. A woman can often use a gun (legally) in self-defense in situations simply because of this perceived/inherent disadvantage. Chuck, aka Shooter LAURA GRANATO wrote : > > That is what neighbors are for! I could tell the cops the reason their knee cap was shot was because I was nervous and accidentally pulled the trigger. I'm a girl, I could get away with that. ;-) Just kidding. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 09:57:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h011.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7ODvX821548 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 24134 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2000 06:57:25 -0700 Date: 24 Aug 2000 06:57:25 -0700 Message-ID: <20000824135725.24133.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 24 Aug 2000 13:57:25 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 24 Aug 2000 06:57:25 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... On Thu, 24 August 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > > Actually, as a girl you probably could get away with it. Absolutely. I was taught in my CWP class, being the only gal in there, that b/c of my size I could get away with shooting someone b/c almost any male's bare hands would be considered a threat to me. All of the guys in the class didn't find that too fair. Laura "don't mess with me" Granato LMAO, Just kidding! > LAURA GRANATO wrote : > > > > That is what neighbors are for! I could tell the cops the reason their knee cap was shot was because I was nervous and accidentally pulled the trigger. I'm a girl, I could get away with that. ;-) Just kidding. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 10:02:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OE2Y821648 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (wbg-va8-26.ix.netcom.com [206.217.111.154]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20965; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A55685.ABF8C5D6@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:08:21 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... References: <20000824135725.24133.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No she's NOT kidding. She's just trying to lull you into a false sense of security that she is kidding so that you will indeed mess with her. Then she's gonna cap your ass and be 100% in the right for doing it! %^) BRING ON THE GUN THREAD! %^) Chuck, aka Shooter LAURA GRANATO wrote : > > Laura "don't mess with me" Granato > LMAO, Just kidding! From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 10:17:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OEHX821889 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25711 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:17:20 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000824101515.00bd47b0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:16:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... In-Reply-To: <39A55685.ABF8C5D6@ix.netcom.com> References: <20000824135725.24133.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:08 PM 8/24/2000 , Chuck Pena wrote: >BRING ON THE GUN THREAD! %^) I can feel dc-cycles list members oozing off the list already. We can't all be proud 2nd amendment defenders. I really didn't want to start a gun thread..... ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 10:27:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OER3822045 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13RxxS-0001BE-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:26:18 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:26:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rifle on motorcylcle In-Reply-To: <39A55685.ABF8C5D6@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone know how to conveniently carry a rifle on a motorcycle other then strapping it across the passenger seat? Any opinions about the likelyhood of getting any unwanted attention from the police? Thanks, ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 10:37:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OEbB822217 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [153.39.169.206] by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool169-206.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.169.206]) id QQjdqg20790; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:36:52 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dsnyder@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000824101515.00bd47b0@mail.troutman.org> References: <20000824135725.24133.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <4.2.0.58.20000824101515.00bd47b0@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:36:52 -0400 To: Troutman From: "Dan J. Snyder" Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Close to a gun thread... The new Benelli won't be available until 2002 at a price of around $30k. One could purchase the Tornado model in Bermuda, though, next year. Happy Shopping, Dan 00 RSV At 10:16 AM -0400 8/24/00, Troutman wrote: >At 01:08 PM 8/24/2000 , Chuck Pena wrote: >>BRING ON THE GUN THREAD! %^) > >I can feel dc-cycles list members oozing off the list already. We >can't all be proud 2nd amendment defenders. I really didn't want to >start a gun thread..... > > >______________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org > >A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 10:42:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rottweiler.cwusa.com (rottweiler-dmz.cwusa.com [146.135.88.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OEga822298 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com (us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com [146.135.85.143]) by rottweiler.cwusa.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06712 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by us-cwi-exc-a10.cwi.cablew.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:42:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E9029C0203@us-cwi-exc-a09.cwi.cablew.com> From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Rifle on motorcylcle Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:42:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You could always do it ala Arnie in Terminator with the shotgun scabbard on the Harley. HTH LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Hugh Caldwell asked: Does anyone know how to conveniently carry a rifle on a motorcycle other then strapping it across the passenger seat? Any opinions about the likelyhood of getting any unwanted attention from the police? From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 11:05:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OF56822682 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from navieg1.trw.com by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:04:47 -0700 Received: (from RESVA-MS6 [158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2000082408045013664 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:04:50 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:04:30 -0400 Message-Id: <39A53986.B736ED4F@trw.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:04:39 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rifle on motorcycle References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would one of those gun cases they make for ATVs work? Maybe you could mount it alongside the rear wheel well, similar to a saddlebag. As far as cops go, as long as the weapon is not loaded, securely wrapped, and the ammo is kept seperate, I don't think they can say or do anything about it. More info concerning Virginia firearms regulations is here: http://www.nraila.org/research/19990716-FirearmLawSummary-023.html Randy Hugh Caldwell wrote: > Does anyone know how to conveniently carry a rifle > on a motorcycle other then strapping it across the passenger > seat? Any opinions about the likelyhood of getting any unwanted > attention from the police? From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 12:36:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OGa9824207 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id l.64.5f3470e (4587); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:35:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <64.5f3470e.26d6a8ba@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:35:06 EDT Subject: Re: Rifle on motorcylcle To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 In a message dated 8/24/00 10:28:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, twg@XXXXXX writes: << Does anyone know how to conveniently carry a rifle on a motorcycle other then strapping it across the passenger seat? Any opinions about the likelihood of getting any unwanted attention from the police? >> Why don't we rephrase the question this way: Does anyone know how to conveniently carry a rifle on a motorcycle without getting any unwanted attention from the police. And then try to answer the question. That would be more interesting..... Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 12:58:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flash.niaid.nih.gov (flash.niaid.nih.gov [128.231.136.26]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OGw4824548 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by flash.niaid.nih.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:58:01 -0400 Message-ID: <0CF057718479D111AEFA00A0C989933006E34065@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> From: Carsten Watzl To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Insurance in DC Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:57:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I just moved from MD to DC and updated my motorcycle insurance with Allstate. Unfortunately, the rates went up quite a bit. I paid for my '97 YZF600 with Collision and Comprehensive about $360 for 6 months (or was that even for 12 months? I better check my old policy at home!). Now I got my new bill for $550 for 6 months coverage (still with collision and comprehensive). Here my question: Does anybody know an insurance company that has good rates for the YZF600 in DC? I have my lisence since 11 years and have not had any claim yet, so I think I should be able to do better than $1100/year. Thanks for your help, Carsten '97 YZF600 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 13:01:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OH17824646 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA486947 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A554C5.97D8764B@radix.net> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:00:53 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... References: <20000824135725.24133.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <4.2.0.58.20000824101515.00bd47b0@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > I can feel dc-cycles list members oozing off the list already. We can't > all be proud 2nd amendment defenders. I really didn't want to start a gun > thread..... So, Mike, why did they snatch the wheels off the cage & not go for the bike ??? Thank goodness they didn't take the important stuff ;-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 13:06:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5203.mail.yahoo.com (web5203.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7OH6O824753 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000824170617.23148.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.87.55] by web5203.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:06:17 PDT Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:06:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Oh yeah, as a general rule (at least in VA) shooting > someone to protect > property is usually not considered a legal use of > lethal force. That's why you hit 'em with a double tap, drag 'em in the house,& put a tire iron in their hand... -Corbett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 13:50:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OHoF825552 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008241750.e7OHoF825552@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id a.5a.9e1dd91 (15879); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web50.aolmail.aol.com (web50.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.11]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:50:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:50:02 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance in DC To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Insurance rates in DC suck because of all the idiot cage drivers. Also because of the bike you ride. That's why I have my bike registered at my sisters' house in VA. I don't think you're gonna find any lower rates here. Sorry. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 24 Aug 2000 1:00:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carsten Watzl writes: << I just moved from MD to DC and updated my motorcycle insurance with Allstate. Unfortunately, the rates went up quite a bit. I paid for my '97 YZF600 with Collision and Comprehensive about $360 for 6 months (or was that even for 12 months? I better check my old policy at home!). Now I got my new bill for $550 for 6 months coverage (still with collision and comprehensive). Here my question: Does anybody know an insurance company that has good rates for the YZF600 in DC? I have my lisence since 11 years and have not had any claim yet, so I think I should be able to do better than $1100/year. Thanks for your help, Carsten '97 YZF600 >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 14:11:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OIBI825818 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA433744 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A56538.779B38F9@radix.net> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:11:04 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... References: <20000824170617.23148.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Corbett B wrote: > That's why you hit 'em with a double tap, drag 'em in > the house,& put a tire iron in their hand... Too much like work. 2 words for you: Throw down. 'nuff said. whew. Good think I got all those pre ban pieces... I can still do a drive by Bayonetting ;-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 14:24:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OIOV826054 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Dsotm60273@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.2d.1a8771 (3996) for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:21:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX Message-ID: <2d.1a8771.26d6c1b9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:21:45 EDT Subject: unsubscribe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 42 unsubscribe From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 14:26:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OIQG826067 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13S1gt-0001Nj-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:25:27 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:26:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Driving school Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm taking the online driving school and I thought I would pass on the section about motorcycles for your entertainment and edification. THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MOTORCYCLISTS A motorcyclist has as much right to use the road as any other type of road-legal vehicle. Many types of vehicles share Virginia's roads and highways, and each presents special operating challenges and responsibilities. However, motorcyclists face even more unusual dangers because they are hard to see and require skillful handling. Motorcyclists must always remember the dangers they face from unaware drivers. They must ride their cycles using common sense and not tempt danger. If they do not avoid it, they may never survive to tempt it, again. Standard vehicle drivers can help. They should use extreme caution when entering a major thoroughfare from any side street, driveway, or parking lot, or when changing to another lane. The motorcyclist's smaller size allows him to tuck into a driver's blind spots. Combine this with the fact that the average driver is not looking for a motorcyclist, and it has to equal danger. In addition to looking in the mirrors, if a driver makes a visual check when moving left or right, it can help prevent a tragic and avoidable mistake. The safety of motorcyclists is an important concern, and accidents involving motorcyclists can be reduced if both motorcyclists and other drivers take precautions. Maneuvering One demanding situation a cyclist faces regularly is turning. To maintain lane position and to remain with the traffic flow, he must: Reduce speed before entering a turn. Accelerate through and out of the turn. Lean his body and motorcycle into the turn. The faster the speed, the greater the angle of lean that will be required. Recognize that at slower speeds, turns are, instead, a matter of steering rather than leaning. When following a motorcyclist through a turn, a smart driver will drop back and give the cyclist enough room to allow for unexpected shifts in lane position, sudden slowing or acceleration, or crashing down on the pavement. Regardless of the skill of the motorcyclist, smart driving demands allowing room for error and keeping a buffer zone of safety between you and the cyclist. Visibility More than anyone, motorcyclists must ride with the assumption that they are invisible to other drivers. When the mind is accustomed to seeing a certain size and type of vehicle, it discounts anything not fitting the category. It is as simple as this: Some drivers do not see motorcyclists because they are not expecting to see them. A motorcyclist can help protect himself with the following simple precautions: Ride with his headlight on at all times. Wear bright-colored clothing. Liberally plaster his motorcycle and helmet with reflecting tape. Stay in the left third of the lane most of the time so that the driver ahead can see you when looking in his rear view mirror. Signaling Although most new motorcycle models are now equipped with electric turn indicators, the cyclists' signals often are not seen, mainly because the cycle is relatively small and the turn signals are low and close together. The motorcyclist should encourage tailgaters to maintain proper distance by signaling them to back off or letting them pass. To help the driver "see you signal," do the following: Activate turn signals at least 100 feet before reaching an intended turn. Use hand signals as well as electric turn indicators. Make a visual check with each mirror before attempting to turn. Being familiar with motorcycle-riding techniques can help a driver of a motor vehicle anticipate motorcyclists' next maneuvers. The driver should watch them in traffic and note how they signal, the lane position they use, and their speed changes just prior to performing a maneuver. It is the driver's responsibility to give proper signals and maintain a safe distance between his vehicle and the motorcycle. A driver should be especially alert for motorcycles when making left turns across traffic. Passing The motorcycle should pass and be passed as any other vehicle is. To help ensure this, the cyclist should ride in the left third of the lane. This discourages drivers from trying to pass without changing lanes. It also gives a motorcycle the best chance of good traction because it is the area least affected by rutting, grease, and oil. When passing, the motorcycle rider should be sure to signal properly, to pass as wide to the left as an automobile would, and to return to the lane well ahead of the vehicle passed. The rider should be particularly cautious while passing in a motorist's blind spot. Automobile drivers should maintain the same passing margin and distance for motorcycles as they would for any other vehicle. They should also avoid crowding the cyclist in passing or returning to their lane. The old rule of returning to your lane only when a passed vehicle's left headlight can be seen in the rear view mirror works just as well with a motorcycle's headlight. Intersections Most vehicle accidents occur at intersections, and motorcycles are no exception. It is at intersections that traffic is interrupted, and the motorcycle's low visual profile can prove to be the most dangerous. Motorcyclists cannot assume that they have been seen as they approach an intersection, so they should slow down well before reaching it. It is amazing how many accidents occur when automobiles or trucks plow into motorcycles from the rear while the motorcycle is waiting at a traffic light. Remember, motorcyclists, like any drivers, should assume that they are invisible. To protect themselves, cyclists should keep a light pressure on the brake. It should be just enough pressure to activate the rear light. Cyclists should always remember to make themselves visible. They should wear bright, easy-to-see clothing that utilizes reflective material. Inclement Weather Rain, sleet, snow, and ice are problems for any operator of a motor vehicle. They are doubly dangerous for a motorcyclist. Motorcyclists must adjust their driving to the weather, but they must also adjust to the danger from automobile and truck drivers who have less control over their vehicles than they would have in good weather. Stopping distances are increased and braking more hazardous with increased potential for skids for both motorcyclists and drivers of autos and trucks. The single best adjustment any motorist can make in bad weather is to SLOW DOWN. Motorcycle skids arrive unannounced and can be fatal. One important additional aid is for motorcyclists to increase the following distance between them and vehicles in front of them. This can help to avoid any "rooster tail" of water thrown up by the rear tires. This unwanted shower can blind a rider and multiply the dangers of riding in bad weather. When the weather is bad, a rider should dress for the part. Wearing warm, waterproof, comfortable clothing makes sense on more than just one level. Aside from its inherent common sense logic, wearing clothing suited to the weather allows cyclists to concentrate more fully on riding the motorcycle safely and lesson their discomfort. In fact, in really bad weather, cyclists should pull over and wait for an improvement in the weather. If they do, their survival potential will increase dramatically. A second consideration in clothing choices is to wear bright clothing. If riders are hard to see in good weather, think how much harder they would be to see in bad weather. Automobile and truck drivers can help improve the safety of motorcycle riders by recognizing the special dangers specific to motorcyclists and adjust their driving habits when near riders. Helmets, Again What a nuisance! Putting on a helmet just to take a little ride. However, it will be much more of a nuisance if you or a loved one dies from a brain injury. Or some might say, maybe even worse, live as a vegetable. Yet, this is what can happen and does happen in motorcycle accidents when people do not wear helmets. Without the protection a steel frame gives, riders are completely vulnerable in accidents on a motorcycle. Common sense dictates that a person wear protection. Aware that not everyone uses common sense, Virginia Vehicle Code requires anyone riding a motorcycle, whether it be driver or passenger, to wear a safety-approved helmet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 15:46:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3106.mail.yahoo.com (web3106.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.191]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7OJkr827493 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000824194645.20645.qmail@web3106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3106.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:46:45 PDT Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:46:45 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: Driving school To: Hugh Caldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > A motorcyclist has as much right to use the road as any other type of > road-legal vehicle. Wow someone said something nice about MC's, cool. > that the average driver is not looking for a motorcyclist, and it has to > equal danger. In addition to looking in the mirrors, if a driver makes a > visual check when moving left or right, it can help prevent a tragic and > avoidable mistake. The average "driver" isn't looking for ANYTHING let alone us. and visual checks are good ALL the time. >or crashing down on the pavement. This is a joke right? this kinda stuff SHOULD NOT be put anywhere, let alone in a damn driving course. > It is as simple as this: Some drivers do not see motorcyclists > because they are not expecting to see them. no it's call "I'm stupid" > Make a visual check with each mirror before attempting to turn. where's the "turn of the head", I've heard it's one of the better ways the cagers see you. > Being familiar with motorcycle-riding techniques can help a driver of a > motor vehicle anticipate motorcyclists' next maneuvers. Wow they said something about learning MC riding skills, well a little. >Motorcycle skids arrive unannounced They do? I guess if you are crazy enough to ride on ICE then maybe. >In fact, in really bad weather, cyclists should pull over and wait for an >improvement in the weather. remind me of this again next year when I'm riding the Iron Butt Rally so I remember to pull off at the sign of any rain. I *might* fiinish then. > What a nuisance! Putting on a helmet just to take a little ride. not really. just like putting the key in the ignition just part of what *I* do. All in all it wasn't too bad of an article, at least there was SOMETHING, better than nothing at all. I don't ever remember hearing anything about MC's when I was taking classes here in MD. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 15:50:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7OJoa827580 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 8096 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2000 12:50:28 -0700 Date: 24 Aug 2000 12:50:28 -0700 Message-ID: <20000824195028.8095.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 24 Aug 2000 19:50:28 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 24 Aug 2000 12:50:28 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: twg@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: Re: Driving school Hugh: Too bad this is one of those sections in driving school that they just gloss over. Actually, it may even just be a footnote at the bottom of the booklet, otherwise more people wouldn't drive like such freakin' morons around bikes. Thanks for sharing, Hugh. That was some interesting reading. :-) Laura Granato ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 15:52:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OJqK827590 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13665; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:44:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: Chuck Pena cc: LAURA GRANATO , mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... In-Reply-To: <39A553F5.90EC0C22@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > Actually, as a girl you probably could get away with it. It is > generally considered that women are at a disadvantage if faced with a > male assailant. A woman can often use a gun (legally) in self-defense > in situations simply because of this perceived/inherent disadvantage. That's pretty much what I was taught when I started. There's a lot more leeway given for a women when shooting an intruder/attacker because of a percieved physical threat, etc. On a related note... Some friends are going to import Rod and Dave from Storm Mountain Training Center (www.stormmountain.com) to NoVA to teach a class for women only. Classroom topics will cover reasons for having a gun, basic parts of a handgun, how to load and unload, safe holding, holsters, containers and transport (legal issues), gun comfort: grip, stance, mechanics of shooting: how to draw, point (signting in on a target) and trigger pull, how the body reacts under stress and how to practice for better control. They'll also go over different handguns that fit better in smaller hands and options for carry. There will be demonstrations and practice at an outdoor range in the afternoon. It's slated to take place in the fall, and we're still trying to guage interest. If you think you might want to participate, email me offline. Shannon From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 16:07:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OK7D827900 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:06:26 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8849@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Tansey'" , Chuck Pena Cc: LAURA GRANATO , mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: If I had seen them I would have shot them... Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:57:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks. This has SO much to do with motorcycling in DC. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tansey [SMTP:tansey@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 3:45 PM > To: Chuck Pena > Cc: LAURA GRANATO; mike@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... > > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > > > Actually, as a girl you probably could get away with it. It is > > generally considered that women are at a disadvantage if faced with a > > male assailant. A woman can often use a gun (legally) in self-defense > > in situations simply because of this perceived/inherent disadvantage. > > That's pretty much what I was taught when I started. There's a lot more > leeway given for a women when shooting an intruder/attacker because of a > percieved physical threat, etc. > > On a related note... > > Some friends are going to import Rod and Dave from Storm Mountain Training > Center (www.stormmountain.com) to NoVA to teach a class for women only. > > Classroom topics will cover reasons for having a gun, basic parts of a > handgun, how to load and unload, safe holding, holsters, containers and > transport (legal issues), gun comfort: grip, stance, mechanics of > shooting: how to draw, point (signting in on a target) and trigger pull, > how the body reacts under stress and how to practice for better control. > They'll also go over different handguns that fit better in smaller hands > and options for carry. > > There will be demonstrations and practice at an outdoor range in the > afternoon. > > It's slated to take place in the fall, and we're still trying to guage > interest. If you think you might want to participate, email me offline. > > Shannon From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 16:13:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7OKDU827993 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 17452 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2000 13:13:22 -0700 Date: 24 Aug 2000 13:13:22 -0700 Message-ID: <20000824201322.17451.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 24 Aug 2000 20:13:22 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 24 Aug 2000 13:13:22 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: tansey@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: RE: If I had seen them I would have shot them... On Thu, 24 August 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Thanks. This has SO much to do with motorcycling in DC. Ok then, mister :-), wadda you want to talk about that's m/c related? LAG > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tansey [SMTP:tansey@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 3:45 PM > > To: Chuck Pena > > Cc: LAURA GRANATO; mike@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... > > > > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > Actually, as a girl you probably could get away with it. It is > > > generally considered that women are at a disadvantage if faced with a > > > male assailant. A woman can often use a gun (legally) in self-defense > > > in situations simply because of this perceived/inherent disadvantage. > > > > That's pretty much what I was taught when I started. There's a lot more > > leeway given for a women when shooting an intruder/attacker because of a > > percieved physical threat, etc. > > > > On a related note... > > > > Some friends are going to import Rod and Dave from Storm Mountain Training > > Center (www.stormmountain.com) to NoVA to teach a class for women only. > > > > Classroom topics will cover reasons for having a gun, basic parts of a > > handgun, how to load and unload, safe holding, holsters, containers and > > transport (legal issues), gun comfort: grip, stance, mechanics of > > shooting: how to draw, point (signting in on a target) and trigger pull, > > how the body reacts under stress and how to practice for better control. > > They'll also go over different handguns that fit better in smaller hands > > and options for carry. > > > > There will be demonstrations and practice at an outdoor range in the > > afternoon. > > > > It's slated to take place in the fall, and we're still trying to guage > > interest. If you think you might want to participate, email me offline. > > > > Shannon ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 16:17:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OKHC828082 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:16:24 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B884A@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'LAURA GRANATO'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: If I had seen them I would have shot them... Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:07:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Hm...well always pay attention when following behind someone. On Sunday, after riding 211 a few times very nicely, I was following a car (too closely) back through Sperryville. The car ahead of the car ahead of me slammed its brakes on and took a left without signalling. The car ahead of me slammed its brakes on and I was looking away at the time. By the time I reacted, it was a bit too late. Slowing down, I clipped the rear bumper of the car ahead of me which pushed me into to grass shoulder. At that point I sort of lost it and laid it down at <10MPH. Passenger and I were just fine, bike sustained some fairing damage but nothing more, so I am still riding! Before the flamers attack, yes it was 100% my fault! Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [SMTP:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 4:13 PM > To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX > Cc: tansey@XXXXXX; cvkgpena@XXXXXX; mike@XXXXXX; > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: If I had seen them I would have shot them... > > On Thu, 24 August 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > > > Thanks. This has SO much to do with motorcycling in DC. > > Ok then, mister :-), wadda you want to talk about that's m/c related? > > LAG > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tansey [SMTP:tansey@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 3:45 PM > > > To: Chuck Pena > > > Cc: LAURA GRANATO; mike@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... > > > > > > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > > > Actually, as a girl you probably could get away with it. It is > > > > generally considered that women are at a disadvantage if faced with > a > > > > male assailant. A woman can often use a gun (legally) in > self-defense > > > > in situations simply because of this perceived/inherent > disadvantage. > > > > > > That's pretty much what I was taught when I started. There's a lot > more > > > leeway given for a women when shooting an intruder/attacker because of > a > > > percieved physical threat, etc. > > > > > > On a related note... > > > > > > Some friends are going to import Rod and Dave from Storm Mountain > Training > > > Center (www.stormmountain.com) to NoVA to teach a class for women > only. > > > > > > Classroom topics will cover reasons for having a gun, basic parts of a > > > handgun, how to load and unload, safe holding, holsters, containers > and > > > transport (legal issues), gun comfort: grip, stance, mechanics of > > > shooting: how to draw, point (signting in on a target) and trigger > pull, > > > how the body reacts under stress and how to practice for better > control. > > > They'll also go over different handguns that fit better in smaller > hands > > > and options for carry. > > > > > > There will be demonstrations and practice at an outdoor range in the > > > afternoon. > > > > > > It's slated to take place in the fall, and we're still trying to guage > > > interest. If you think you might want to participate, email me > offline. > > > > > > Shannon > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 16:27:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7OKQw828212 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 17698 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2000 13:26:23 -0700 Date: 24 Aug 2000 13:26:23 -0700 Message-ID: <20000824202623.17697.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 24 Aug 2000 20:26:23 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 24 Aug 2000 13:26:23 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: RE: If I had seen them I would have shot them... On Thu, 24 August 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: Glad to hear that you're ok...if people would just use their turn signals, that take a whole half a second to turn on, maybe something like that wouldn't happen. I'll get flamed for saying this, yes, it was your fault, but I wouldn't call it 100%. If someone else doesn't use their turn signal to signal their intentions, they are at fault too, technically! LAG > > Hm...well always pay attention when following behind someone. On Sunday, > after riding 211 a few times very nicely, I was following a car (too > closely) back through Sperryville. The car ahead of the car ahead of me > slammed its brakes on and took a left without signalling. The car ahead of > me slammed its brakes on and I was looking away at the time. By the time I > reacted, it was a bit too late. Slowing down, I clipped the rear bumper of > the car ahead of me which pushed me into to grass shoulder. At that point I > sort of lost it and laid it down at <10MPH. > > Passenger and I were just fine, bike sustained some fairing damage but > nothing more, so I am still riding! > > Before the flamers attack, yes it was 100% my fault! > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LAURA GRANATO [SMTP:lgranato@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 4:13 PM > > To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX > > Cc: tansey@XXXXXX; cvkgpena@XXXXXX; mike@XXXXXX; > > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: If I had seen them I would have shot them... > > > > On Thu, 24 August 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks. This has SO much to do with motorcycling in DC. > > > > Ok then, mister :-), wadda you want to talk about that's m/c related? > > > > LAG > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Tansey [SMTP:tansey@XXXXXX] > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 3:45 PM > > > > To: Chuck Pena > > > > Cc: LAURA GRANATO; mike@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... > > > > > > > > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > > > > > Actually, as a girl you probably could get away with it. It is > > > > > generally considered that women are at a disadvantage if faced with > > a > > > > > male assailant. A woman can often use a gun (legally) in > > self-defense > > > > > in situations simply because of this perceived/inherent > > disadvantage. > > > > > > > > That's pretty much what I was taught when I started. There's a lot > > more > > > > leeway given for a women when shooting an intruder/attacker because of > > a > > > > percieved physical threat, etc. > > > > > > > > On a related note... > > > > > > > > Some friends are going to import Rod and Dave from Storm Mountain > > Training > > > > Center (www.stormmountain.com) to NoVA to teach a class for women > > only. > > > > > > > > Classroom topics will cover reasons for having a gun, basic parts of a > > > > handgun, how to load and unload, safe holding, holsters, containers > > and > > > > transport (legal issues), gun comfort: grip, stance, mechanics of > > > > shooting: how to draw, point (signting in on a target) and trigger > > pull, > > > > how the body reacts under stress and how to practice for better > > control. > > > > They'll also go over different handguns that fit better in smaller > > hands > > > > and options for carry. > > > > > > > > There will be demonstrations and practice at an outdoor range in the > > > > afternoon. > > > > > > > > It's slated to take place in the fall, and we're still trying to guage > > > > interest. If you think you might want to participate, email me > > offline. > > > > > > > > Shannon > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 16:35:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OKZA828474 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-50.patriot.net [209.249.181.50]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7OKV3S20599; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:31:38 -0400 Message-ID: <39A583F4.C94CD2A9@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:22:12 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hugh Caldwell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rifle on motorcylcle References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Same way cowboys carry rifles on horses - a *holster* monted verticle and at an angle (for quick draw?) Poo-lice might notice, but it isn't concealed. In VA an unconcealed weapon is a no-call. Bill Hugh Caldwell wrote: > Does anyone know how to conveniently carry a rifle > on a motorcycle other then strapping it across the passenger > seat? Any opinions about the likelyhood of getting any unwanted > attention from the police? > > Thanks, > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 16:40:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OKeb828507 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-12.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.76]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23859; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A5B3AB.D716D565@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:45:47 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8849@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Put a sock in it Kitchell! You're just jealous b/c some of us actually got to ride our m/c's today! %^) Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Thanks. This has SO much to do with motorcycling in DC. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tansey [SMTP:tansey@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 3:45 PM > > To: Chuck Pena > > Cc: LAURA GRANATO; mike@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... > > > > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > Actually, as a girl you probably could get away with it. It is > > > generally considered that women are at a disadvantage if faced with a > > > male assailant. A woman can often use a gun (legally) in self-defense > > > in situations simply because of this perceived/inherent disadvantage. > > > > That's pretty much what I was taught when I started. There's a lot more > > leeway given for a women when shooting an intruder/attacker because of a > > percieved physical threat, etc. > > > > On a related note... > > > > Some friends are going to import Rod and Dave from Storm Mountain Training > > Center (www.stormmountain.com) to NoVA to teach a class for women only. > > > > Classroom topics will cover reasons for having a gun, basic parts of a > > handgun, how to load and unload, safe holding, holsters, containers and > > transport (legal issues), gun comfort: grip, stance, mechanics of > > shooting: how to draw, point (signting in on a target) and trigger pull, > > how the body reacts under stress and how to practice for better control. > > They'll also go over different handguns that fit better in smaller hands > > and options for carry. > > > > There will be demonstrations and practice at an outdoor range in the > > afternoon. > > > > It's slated to take place in the fall, and we're still trying to guage > > interest. If you think you might want to participate, email me offline. > > > > Shannon From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 16:55:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OKti828752 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-12.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.76]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16754; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A5B74D.8C03D6BC@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:01:18 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'LAURA GRANATO'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B884A@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're not fooling anyone, Kitchell. Can you spell c-a-l-a-m-a-r-i? %^) Sorry, just couldn't resist! %^) As you know, I am glad to know that neither you nor your passenger were hurt. Next time, pay friggin' attention! Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Hm...well always pay attention when following behind someone. On Sunday, > after riding 211 a few times very nicely, I was following a car (too > closely) back through Sperryville. The car ahead of the car ahead of me > slammed its brakes on and took a left without signalling. The car ahead of > me slammed its brakes on and I was looking away at the time. By the time I > reacted, it was a bit too late. Slowing down, I clipped the rear bumper of > the car ahead of me which pushed me into to grass shoulder. At that point I > sort of lost it and laid it down at <10MPH. > > Passenger and I were just fine, bike sustained some fairing damage but > nothing more, so I am still riding! > > Before the flamers attack, yes it was 100% my fault! From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 19:13:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ONDG801119 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id v.12.175cb6b (8477) for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:12:46 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <12.175cb6b.26d705ee@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:12:46 EDT Subject: Re: If I had seen them I would have shot them... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 > Alarm went off, neighbors heard nothing Bummer - been there. The only alarms worth a damn are those with a radio transmitter that page you when they go off (if you're in range). Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 19:19:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ONJD801206 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.67.8c717eb (8477) for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:18:58 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <67.8c717eb.26d70762@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:18:58 EDT Subject: Re: Rifle on motorcylcle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 > Does anyone know how to conveniently carry a rifle > on a motorcycle other then strapping it across the passenger > seat? Sling it diagonally across the back? Plastic ATV-type rifle case mounted parallel to fork legs? > Any opinions about the likelyhood of getting any unwanted > attention from the police? Define "unwanted" If it's unloaded, you're legal. If you want to maintain a low profile, I'll loan you my CAR-15 ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 24 20:37:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7P0bf802456 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DGlassJr@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.21.1ddad8 (4440) for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:37:25 -0400 (EDT) From: DGlassJr@XXXXXX Message-ID: <21.1ddad8.26d719c4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:37:24 EDT Subject: Unsubscribe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 unsubscribe From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 00:21:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5203.mail.yahoo.com (web5203.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7P4LB805852 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000825042102.8212.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.10] by web5203.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:21:02 PDT Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:21:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Rifle on motorcylcle To: twg@XXXXXX, DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hugh- If you're really serious about transporting a shotgun or rifle on a bike...your best bet is to alter an ATV mount system...Looks like a company called Kolpin has your gear. But here's some links for you: http://www.kolpin.com/ Check out "Gun Boots" http://www.yamahausa.com/access/hunt.htm http://www.huntech.co.nz/scabbard.htm OR there's a ready made system for you.. http://www.milparade.com/1999/36/03_10.htm -Corbett '99 K1200RS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 00:28:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7P4S5805937 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000825042758.9079.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.10] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:27:58 PDT Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:27:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: My new bike is perfect for DC To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can't to show you the latest urban scooter on the next bike night...but here's a preview: http://www.milparade.com/1999/36/03_10.htm -Corbett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 09:08:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from swillers.com (cbr.swillers.com [204.71.238.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7PD84815067 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swillers.com (ie-dhcp2-110.ie.cw.net [204.71.42.110]) by swillers.com (8.10.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e7PD5Kr25940 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:05:44 -0400 Message-ID: <39A66F80.599BEC3@swillers.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:07:12 -0400 From: David Carlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Katana for Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody looking for a good starter bike? I'm selling my '92 Katana 750. Bike's in great shape. Info at http://www.swillers.com/Katana/ --Dave 2000 VFR800FI From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 10:23:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7PENL816231 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KGruell@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.77.8c6e29f (8477) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:23:07 -0400 (EDT) From: KGruell@XXXXXX Message-ID: <77.8c6e29f.26d7db4b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:23:07 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/24/00 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Anyone riding to Summit Point on Saturday? I am planning on riding out in the morning and was looking to see if anybody else had a group ride or was getting together to ride out there. If so, I would like to try and hook up somewhere and if not then me and a couple of others will be meeting in Arlington to roll out. no set time yet. Kurt 99 VFR 800 Former 84 V65 Sabre From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 10:25:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (brickhouse1.iad1.sitesmith.com [63.94.228.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7PEPu816244 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:bergman@biber [127.0.0.1]) by merctech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03465 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:25:48 -0400 From: bergman@XXXXXX Message-Id: <200008251425.KAA03465@merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Katana for Sale In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:07:12 EDT." <39A66F80.599BEC3@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:25:47 -0400 In your message dated: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:07:12 EDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => Anybody looking for a good starter bike? I'm selling my '92 Katana => 750. Bike's in great shape. => Info at http://www.swillers.com/Katana/ Maybe I'm an old geezer, but I remember way back when a 250 or 400 was a "starter bike", not a 750 with a lot of $$$-to-replace plastic bodywork. Mark => => --Dave => 2000 VFR800FI => => -- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 10:32:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7PEWh816419 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 27495 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2000 07:32:35 -0700 Date: 25 Aug 2000 07:32:35 -0700 Message-ID: <20000825143235.27494.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 25 Aug 2000 14:32:35 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 25 Aug 2000 07:32:35 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Good Luck at SP Just wanted to wish everyone racing at Summit this weekend good luck. You're going to have a beautiful weekend for racing. Go out there and kick some ass! :-) Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 10:36:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7PEaa816516 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:36:24 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0F5BDE@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Cc: "'sdave@XXXXXX'" , "'twg@XXXXXX'" Subject: tooters, rifle Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:36:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Carl Asserts- > The PBz tooters on my bike work quite well, > The buddy following me said the BDC that was "nooging" me hit his head on > the roof when I tooted. Probably wondered where the semi came from. >:^> Now we're talkin'. Where'd you get the horns ??? [don't tell me you were born with them ;-) ] Pep Boyz The long double ones, ~$29 twg@XXXXXX> Subject: Rifle on motorcylcle Does anyone know how to conveniently carry a rifle on a motorcycle. In a case: stock on rear turnsignal, barrel suspended with rope/ bungee from stem. Left leg goes over Uh so I've heard. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 11:04:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7PF4T816928 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from navieg1.trw.com by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:04:13 -0700 Received: (from RESVA-MS6 [158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2000082508041900921 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:04:19 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:04:03 -0400 Message-Id: <39A68AF1.921D232B@trw.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:04:17 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good Luck at SP References: <20000825143235.27494.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Laura! We will try to represent the List with joied' vivre, espirit d' corp, and maybe even some-- oh, I don't know what -- je ne sais que! Feel free, anyone, to stop by and say "bon jour." The beer will be American. Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Just wanted to wish everyone racing at Summit this weekend good luck. You're going to have a beautiful weekend for racing. Go out there and kick some ass! :-) > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 13:52:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7PHqk819580 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA04338 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:52:37 -0400 (EDT) From: ddiefend@XXXXXX Received: from usgate02.e-mail.com (usgate02.e-mail.com [204.146.55.142]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA28809 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: Received: by usgate.e-mail.com with SMTP id RAA50532 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:52:21 GMT Received: by mail1.dominionsc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (778.2 1-4-1999)) id 85256946.0061B68D ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:47:17 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: DSC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256946.0061B5DF.00@mail1.dominionsc.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:52:12 -0400 Subject: Need learning bike Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Have a friend that is determined to learn to ride. She lives in DC, and just got her permit. Can't get into a class this late in the year, but will take the class in the Spring. Looking for a bike to learn on, that won't ruin her day if she drops it...... what have you got collecting dust? Dave From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 15:58:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7PJw7821533 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19703 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Aug 2000 19:58:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000825195803.19702.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.193.59] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:58:03 PDT Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:58:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Importing Bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii After living in South America for a while, I looked into sending my CBR 250 back to the US, but found that it didn't meet EPA standards and therefore would not be granted Customs entance into the country. Thus, I reluctantly sold it in Santiago, Chile and, after returning to DC, bought a CBR 600F. Although I enjoy the 600, I miss the 18,000 redline, unmatched handling and beautiful styling of the 250. Anyway my question is, with low mileage NSR 250's selling in the $1800 (US) range and CBR 400 RR's just over $2000 in Chile, is there a cost effective way to bring these bikes into the US? Shipping was quoted at $300 or so with a two week delivery by boat from Buenos Aires. The problem I found was with Independant Customs Brokers (ICB's) who take care of the paper work for importing vehicles - they wanted over 2 grand to make the CBR 250 legal. I know this is a complicated issue, but I was wondering if anyone on the list had any experience with the importation of sport bikes and knew of a better way to do it. I know some people on the list have grey-market bikes (VFR400/NC-30). Its very likely I'll be back in Argentina/Chile within two years and this time I would like to bring back a bike. Thanks, Adam Reinhardt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 16:57:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7PKvJ822495 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA19087; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:56:27 -0400 Message-ID: <39A6DDC1.833CEF88@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:57:38 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Balt-Cycles-l , "D.C.Cycles-L" , Katana-L , SuzukiBikes-L , Suzuki-l Subject: [Fwd: [SOCMd] HOT OFF THE PRESS!] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------8A37028B358CD49A7DDCDF47" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8A37028B358CD49A7DDCDF47 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------8A37028B358CD49A7DDCDF47 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from c3.egroups.com (c3.egroups.com [208.50.99.225]) by gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA12767 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:21:40 -0400 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-491079-183-967231272-stevied=peabody.jhu.edu@XXXXXX Received: from [10.1.10.36] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2000 19:21:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 20120 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2000 19:21:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Aug 2000 19:21:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m4.boston.juno.com) (63.211.172.67) by mta1 with SMTP; 25 Aug 2000 19:21:02 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"CQ7+DJ+NVw+h8N43joRffHHsjl1sxbyl1snpLfpMnfo6S6F7mpOUQA=="> Received: (from kostin@XXXXXX) by m4.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FGCELRUH; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:19:49 EDT To: SOCMd@XXXXXX Message-ID: <20000825.142058.-149485.1.kostin@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2 X-Juno-Att: 0 From: Ronald P Kostin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list SOCMd@XXXXXX; contact SOCMd-owner@XXXXXX Delivered-To: mailing list SOCMd@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:20:58 -0400 Reply-To: SOCMd@XXXXXX Subject: [SOCMd] HOT OFF THE PRESS! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Anyone needing a motorcycle jack? Go to any Sam's Club and check them out. The price is $99.99!!!!!I have seen them as much as $400.00 Best Regards,Ron Kostin -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> How does this life work? Courses, consultations and free lectures online. http://click.egroups.com/1/8671/8/_/914289/_/967231272/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: SOCMd-unsubscribe@XXXXXX --------------8A37028B358CD49A7DDCDF47-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 25 18:01:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web902.mail.yahoo.com (web902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7PM1H823492 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15340 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Aug 2000 22:04:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20000825220456.15339.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.196.58] by web902.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:04:56 PDT Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:04:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: Importing Bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Kirk Roy wrote: > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Adam Reinhardt wrote: > > Anyway my question is, with low mileage NSR 250's > selling in the > > $1800 (US) range and CBR 400 RR's just over $2000 > in Chile, is there > > a cost effective > > Hmmm, maybe I'll go with my wife when she visits her > family there next > year (Rengo)... > > > I know this is a complicated issue, but I was > wondering if anyone on > > the list had any experience with the importation > of sport bikes and > > knew of a better way to do it. I know some people > on the list have > > grey-market bikes (VFR400/NC-30). > > I wonder if you took it apart and packed it in > multiple boxes if it would > just be parts and not a motorcycle. Then, you could > get a title in Vermont > (over the phone) and change it over to a local title > afterwards. I wonder > if you could get it into mexico or canada and then > bring it in. Obviously > I have no experience here, I'm just throwing out > ideas. I'm pretty sure > the VT title thing would work (guys do this with > their completely not > street legal dirt bikes). > > Also, check with these guys: > http://www.redbaronimports.com/, they may be > willing to tell you how to do it or to arrange it > for you (I've seen urls > for other gray market companies but this is the only > one I could find...). > Red Baron says they won't offer any help or advice regarding importing foriegn bikes, although that is what they do (all bikes direct from Japan). As far as bringing a bike in from Mexico or Canada, I looked into that, but the US places time limits on foriegn plated vehicles (I think its 6 months) - although I'm not sure that US citizens qualify for this - after which the vehicle can be confiscated The VT title ^EV;^P __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 26 00:35:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rmx460-mta.mail.com (rmx460-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7Q4ZW829609 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web617-ec.mail.com (web617-ec.mail.com [165.251.32.96]) by rmx460-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA21906 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <382859053.967264529856.JavaMail.root@web617-ec.mail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:35:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Ernst Rittershausen To: DC Cycles Subject: Bootsie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-WM-FaxTo: X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 4.54.60.244 I'm in the market for a good set of riding boots; my engineer boots just aren't cutting it anymore. I'm open to suggestions, but what I'm really looking for is a shop that has a decent selection of boots that I can try on to get an idea of fit. In all of the shops I've tried, they have 5 of everything, but no boot selection. I'm looking for something I can wear touring, commuting, and in the twisties (not track boots). Anyone know a shop that carries footwear? TIA Todd Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `80 CX-500C ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 26 10:34:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7QEYs811797 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-166.90.27.238.Washington1.Level3.net [166.90.27.238]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA18579; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 07:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "LAURA GRANATO" , Cc: Subject: RE: See ya. Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:26:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c00f69$9be17280$ee1b5aa6@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000821142431.1013.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 The negative tone I referred to has to do with how people on this list seem to have real contempt for people that don't ride the same way they do, not about people disagreeing with each other and even arguing. I know its a fine line but I'm not going to write an essay on it. I was (pleasantly) surprised by the people that replied (on & off list before my unsub took effect) in support or at least appreciation of what I had to say - didn't want to sign off without saying thanks. True that there is a LOT of good discussion & info to be shared, but it really takes some time to do all that sorting, so I'm gonna take a lil' break maybe check back in in a few months to see what everyone's winter projects are. (BTW I only got this email b/c Laura hit reply to all which sent it to me directly.) As i said hope to see some of you guys very soon on rides. Feel free to contact me, I ride all the time and will probably contact you too. PS. The state of OH must hate motorcyclists. No helmet law, and they make liberal use of gravel on their backroads, especially at the curves! My report: ~600 miles, less than I wanted due to rain & losing a day to get a tire replaced, however every single mile was a twistie backroad mile. No accidents or mishaps. 1 ticket for 66 in a 55. Oh, well. Cheers. Matt -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 10:25 AM To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: See ya. but the overall "tone" of the list is just a bit too negative for me. Its kinda like a group of people that just want to talk Yes, we all talk, but a lot of us often ride together too. not sure, have you ever been on a ride with us? I've only been on a couple, but I've been to most of the bike nights, and it's been a blast. If you think about it in the right way, DC-Cycles is more like an extended family. Sometimes we fight, sometimes disagree, sometimes love each other and have fun. With this many people, we can't expect that we'd all have the same opinions. > > Some of you get more > |>fun out of judging others than you do from riding. Is it really judging others, or do people just have different view points? That's how I see it, but maybe someone will disagree with me...actually, probably. :-) Laura Granato > ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 26 11:27:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7QFRv812619 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-240.s240.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.240] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Shs9-0003wN-00; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:27:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c00f6d$d7f0ac60$f06daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , Subject: '99 SV 4 Sale Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:56:34 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 2400 miles. Stock. Blue. Dent in tank, busted tach. This would be perfect for someone looking for a fun bike that is praised by the cycle mags, or to get into racing. Street legal, runs great! I was going to turn it into a back-up / rain / 2nd race bike (superbike?), but can't afford it right now. Asking $4200.00 OBO. I can take pictures and e-mail them if anyone is interested. Please e-mail me off list. Danny '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 26 12:20:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7QGJx813368 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-140.patriot.net [209.249.180.140]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7QGJsX01463 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:19:55 -0400 Message-ID: <39A7EC1C.864A1ED3@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:11:08 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: the helmet saga... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Undaunted by a lesson in customer non-service last week, I went shopping again. Had to stop by R&R in Springfield to pick up a gallon of genuine H-D oil (OH NO! Not the synthetic v petro oil thread!) and a filter. Getting near time for the 2500 oil change again. Then I dropped by Cycle Sport, also in Springfield. Need a new face shield `cause my old one is kinda shot (ACK! Not the gun thread!) They were out of clears. Drats. But they had Shoei R-800s on sale but only in extra dinky size. Double drats. So the nice clerk drags out a medium RF-800, saying I probably need a large. But my 3/4 is a medium, sez me. I slide the Med RF-800 on my head - whoops, sales clerk is right - my eyeballs are fixing to pop out. Try this one, and he hands me a bright orange large. I comment that the orange and yellow Shoeis are legal for boat racing and I'll have to pass the word to my wet-set pals. Large fits, so he retrieves a large pearl white from the stock. Way cool! This one has a free helmet bag! I be whipping out the CC and he sez, you're ussing this for racing, right. Well, now really... *chinga ching* Yeah you are, 10% racer discount. Well, okay. Me be grinning. Cycle Sport - a nice place to shop. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 26 13:22:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7QHMe814336 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-240.s240.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.240] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13SjfC-0005SR-00; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:22:39 -0400 Message-ID: <005801c00f7d$cdb20ae0$f06daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , Subject: emgo oil filters for my SV Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:50:54 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Does anyone have any input as to the quality of the Emgo oil filters for Suzukis? They are about $7.00 less than OEM, and they do sponsor Suzuki's racing efforts. Thanks, Danny '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 26 17:59:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7QLxU818462 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-05.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.69]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA12602 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A868D8.DD3A09F5@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:03:20 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Why you need to lube your chain Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The most obvious reason is to reduce drivetrain friction and thus reduce wear and tear on both your chain and sprockets. But there is another benefit to taking the time to lube your chain (every 300 miles or so). It's been at least 300 miles (a couple of weeks) since I last lubed my chain. And since I'm going riding tomorrow, I decided I ought to take care of that little detail today (rather than waiting until just before going riding). So up on the swingarm stand my GSXR goes. I'm spinning the rear wheel around looking for my master link (a good reference point for knowing where to start/stop putting lube on each link). I'm spinning and spinning and can't find it. I figure maybe I'm just going blind. Well, after several minutes of spinning and not finding the master link, I finally figured out that the clip that holds my master link has come off! (FYI, I have a DID gold chain.) Don't ask me when or where, but obviously since the last time I lubed the chain. And there's a pretty good chance I did at least one ride (Thursday) without the clip in place. Needless to say, this is not good. Could've made for a disastrous ride tomorrow (I was having visions of our "disaster ride" earlier this summer which started when Nelson's chain came of his FZR). I test the link to make sure that the plate isn't so loose that it's just going to fall off (actually, it felt "tight" like it would've required prying to remove). I get on the phone and call Crossroads Cycles. They're only open until 4pm (it's 2:45) and yes, they can fix it. And they say as long as I don't torque it (i.e., goose the throttle), I should be OK riding the 5-6 miles from home to the shop. So I doodle along in 3rd/4th gear at <5,000 rpms, gingerly applying throttle and shifting. Karen follows me (at a safe distance) in the Trooper just in case the worst case scenario happens and I lost the chain en route. Fortunaly, I make it to Crossroads in one piece. Less than a half hour later, I have a new RIVETED master link installed. Needless to say, when it comes time to replace this chain the new one will have another riveted master link. So boyz and girlz, remember to lube your chain! And check to make sure it's not missing anything! %^) Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 26 21:02:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [63.211.172.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7R120821192 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXJJ1rTtWsgGrt9zFtEmKH6i4oF2C3pp9ug=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FGFLKF8P; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:01:41 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:56:50 -0400 Subject: Street Boots Message-ID: <20000826.205650.-298995.3.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,11-12,15-18,20-22,24,26 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tom Fitzpatrick For street riding, I use Corbin Boots. After breaking in, they are comfortable, good fitting, protect well, and have survived a few encounters with the pavement. I recently thought about replacing them, but took them to a good shoe repair shop, and they buffed them up to look almost as good as new. One caveat. The boots Corbin currently sells are not made by the same company that made these. Corbin says they made the switch because the other boots had a slightly western style to them, and they wanted a boot which could go undetected as a motorcycle or specialty boot anywhere. I have heard (can't remember where) that the new boots weren't as good as the old boots (mine are about 8 or 9 years old). As to where to get them, you can order from Corbin, or you might try some of the local BMW shops. I know that Bob's BMW used to carry them, but I don't know if they still do. Good Luck, Tom Fitzpatrick Celtic Racing (celticracing@XXXXXX) (http://www.celticracing.com) CCS EX #806 1989 Honda GB600RR SPONSORED BY: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (http://www.fastlanecycles.com); *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (http://www.racingleather.com) From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 26 23:48:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7R3m2823637 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02472; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:41:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: Ernst Rittershausen cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bootsie In-Reply-To: <382859053.967264529856.JavaMail.root@web617-ec.mail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Ernst Rittershausen wrote: > I'm in the market for a good set of riding boots; my engineer boots just > aren't cutting it anymore. I'm open to suggestions, but what I'm really > looking for is a shop that has a decent selection of boots that I can try on > to get an idea of fit. I'm not sure if you're looking for boots specific to riding, or just a larger overall selection, but I had great luck with Red Wing. The one I went to is in the strip mall just beyond Springfield Mall on Commerce Street. They have a ton of styles and choices and I found several that fit well and suited my need for riding. Shannon From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 27 15:36:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7RJaO809520 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 5592 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2000 12:36:13 -0700 Received: from PPPa43-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.200) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 27 Aug 2000 12:36:13 -0700 X-Sent: 27 Aug 2000 19:36:13 GMT Message-ID: <005201c0105f$5a52fea0$c87c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , Cc: References: <000301c00f69$9be17280$ee1b5aa6@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: See ya. Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:45:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Matt: I was hoping that this got to you. I don't think any of us want anyone to leave the list, but to each his own. We all have different riding styles and don't always agree with each other on certain issues, but we all agree on one thing...we love to ride.We all understand that we all don't ride the same, and we respect that about each other. I know that when the boys are doing a ride, if I don't organize a slow ride, I won't be going. It's not that I disagree with how they ride, I just realize they ride out of my comfort level and I don't want to get myself in trouble. I wish that I better understood what you weren't happy with. It will suck not to have you on the list, but ride safe no matter what you do. LAG ----- Original Message ----- From: Big Matty To: LAURA GRANATO ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 10:26 AM Subject: RE: See ya. > The negative tone I referred to has to do with how people on this list seem > to have real contempt for people that don't ride the same way they do, not > about people disagreeing with each other and even arguing. I know its a > fine line but I'm not going to write an essay on it. I was (pleasantly) > surprised by the people that replied (on & off list before my unsub took > effect) in support or at least appreciation of what I had to say - didn't > want to sign off without saying thanks. True that there is a LOT of good > discussion & info to be shared, but it really takes some time to do all that > sorting, so I'm gonna take a lil' break maybe check back in in a few months > to see what everyone's winter projects are. (BTW I only got this email b/c > Laura hit reply to all which sent it to me directly.) > > As i said hope to see some of you guys very soon on rides. Feel free to > contact me, I ride all the time and will probably contact you too. > > PS. The state of OH must hate motorcyclists. No helmet law, and they make > liberal use of gravel on their backroads, especially at the curves! My > report: ~600 miles, less than I wanted due to rain & losing a day to get a > tire replaced, however every single mile was a twistie backroad mile. No > accidents or mishaps. 1 ticket for 66 in a 55. Oh, well. > > Cheers. > Matt > > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 10:25 AM > To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: See ya. > > > but the overall "tone" of the list is just a bit too > negative for me. Its kinda like a group of people that just want to talk > > Yes, we all talk, but a lot of us often ride together too. not sure, have > you ever been on a ride with us? I've only been on a couple, but I've been > to most of the bike nights, and it's been a blast. If you think about it in > the right way, DC-Cycles is more like an extended family. Sometimes we > fight, sometimes disagree, sometimes love each other and have fun. With > this many people, we can't expect that we'd all have the same opinions. > > > > > Some of you get more > > |>fun out of judging others than you do from riding. > > Is it really judging others, or do people just have different view points? > That's how I see it, but maybe someone will disagree with me...actually, > probably. > > :-) > Laura Granato > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 27 15:47:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7RJlM809686 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 8214 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2000 12:47:15 -0700 Received: from PPPa43-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.200) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 27 Aug 2000 12:47:15 -0700 X-Sent: 27 Aug 2000 19:47:15 GMT Message-ID: <007b01c01060$e4542b00$c87c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: HUGE T.Y./rr2 Road report Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:56:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hi all! Just wanted to say a HHHUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEE thank you to chuck pena and rob keiser for taking me on a "dress rehearsal" of the relaxed ride route today. The three of us met this morning and rode the route, timed it, and checked out the roads/where gas stops were/etc.--basically making sure I know the roads so I don't get everyone lost :-) Let me tell you, for those of you riding in the "relaxed" group on the September 9th ride, you're gonna have a BLAST! Chuck did an awesome job of picking roads for us. The relaxed group will be taking a route that will be between 80 and 110 miles. Depending on how the group is feeling that day will decide which one we do. The route takes about three hours or so. The roads are awesome...a good mix between sport-bike type roads and cruiser-type roads, but they are all perfect for either. And, we get to ride my favorite road....626! Yea! As mentioned before, with ride sheets and meeting time to follow, Relaxed Ride 2 with a twist will be Saturday September 9. There will be two groups, the relaxed group, taking a route with less mileage, and a "spirited" group (led by Glenn Braunstein, hopefully) which will be riding a much more accelerated pace then the relaxed group, but they will have a route with longer mileage...ultimately, both groups meeting at the same place for lunch. Chuck, Rob, and I ate at the planned restaurant today just to check out the food (ok, we were all starving!). Quite good. :-) It's going to be a blast, so everyone better get their buns and their bikes out for this ride! Now, keep your fingers crossed for awesome weather like we had last time. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 27 16:40:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7RKev810469 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11531 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:40:48 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000827163921.00bf6880@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:40:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: No Moto -Bull Run ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anyone know what was going on at Bull Run today (Sunday afternoon). Traffic was backed up from the park entrance on 29 to Stone road. 99% Hispanic. People parking everywhere and literally hundreds of people in the road. No mention of it in the Post or Yahoo that I can find. Any ideas? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 27 20:13:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7S0DL813853 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 29956 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2000 17:13:10 -0700 Received: from PPPa52-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.209) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.172) with SMTP; 27 Aug 2000 17:13:10 -0700 X-Sent: 28 Aug 2000 00:13:10 GMT Message-ID: <00a001c01086$0b265ee0$c87c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , "Troutman" References: <4.2.0.58.20000827163921.00bf6880@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: No Moto -Bull Run ? Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:22:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > Traffic was backed up from the park entrance on 29 to Stone > road. By the time I got home from my ride, it was backed up past 66! People parking everywhere and literally hundreds of > people in the road. Did you notice all of the interestingly decorated cages? It was kind of fun driving by, but I was definitely glad I wasn't going that direction. Be glad you weren't a girl on your bike...every time I had to stop at a light, I got lots of interesting comments from the people on the street...lol. No mention of it in the Post or Yahoo that I can find. I'd love to know just out of curiosity. Maybe Ricky Martin came to Bull Run and we all missed it. tee hee hee. > > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 27 21:05:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (paleoalterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7S15Z814699 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otaku.org by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: koroshiya.otaku.org [206.138.238.11]) id QQjecy06078 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:05:32 GMT Message-ID: <39A9BADC.9B544F23@otaku.org> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:05:32 -0400 From: robert@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Pro Sport cable vs. "cobra links" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just bought a pro-sport locking cable from loudoun motorsport (about $50) and it looks pretty nice, but I'm wondering how it compares to the "cobra links" cables which cost more than twice as much. They both look about the same. Is the cobra links really that much better? prosport: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbeware/prolock.html cobralinks: http://www.lockitt.com/cobralin.htm My bike was stolen in december and I'm just now getting around to replacing it. This time, if someone wants to steal it, it's going to be much more of a pain in the ass. And if I come out there with my gun as they're trying to steal it, they better hope I know what VA law says about use of lethal force! (Does a motorcycle count as a loved one?) From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 27 22:07:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7S27c815584 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 27009 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2000 19:07:28 -0700 Received: from PPPa55-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.212) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 27 Aug 2000 19:07:28 -0700 X-Sent: 28 Aug 2000 02:07:28 GMT Message-ID: <003901c01096$02ab6660$d47c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: RR2 route for relaxed riders Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:16:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Here you go. Since so many of you have asked already, here's the route for the relaxed riders. You're gonna love it. Everyone thank Chuck for this one! RELAXED RIDE ROUTE Leaving from Sheetz at Haymarket at Intersection of 55 and 15: L 55 S X 15 55 through The Plains and Marshall L 721 R 647/Crest Hill Rd. R 635/Hume Rd. R 688/Leeds Manor Rd. L to stay on 688 just past RR tracks/10 mph turn S X 55 L Route 17 L Route 50 R 606 R Route 7 (option: R on 601 to end, X and regroup, then back) L Get onto Business Route 7 going into Round Hill or Right exit and left at bottom (Gas station here) R 719/Airmont Rd. L 734/Snickersville Turnpike R 611/St. Louis Rd. - flashing yellow light L Route 50/John Mosby Hwy. to Middleburg R 626/Plains Rd. (gas station here) R 55 Lunch stop in The Plains at The Rail Stop or back down 55 to Joe's. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 27 22:10:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7S2AC815597 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-216.patriot.net [209.249.180.216]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7S2A0X25529; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:10:00 -0400 Message-ID: <39A9C7E3.B0C7198C@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:01:07 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: robert@XXXXXX CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Pro Sport cable vs. "cobra links" References: <39A9BADC.9B544F23@otaku.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: "loved one" - nope, if you cap a dude for messing with a piece of easily replacable machinery yo' ass is gonna do some time in a place you don't wanna be. RE: Chains - Any chain can be cut or frozen (nitrogen) and shattered, but ANY chain is a deterent. Thieves are basically lazy - thye'll move on to a bike with no chain, no alarm, and no hungry mutt sleeping under it. Bill robert@XXXXXX wrote: > I just bought a pro-sport locking cable from loudoun motorsport (about > $50) and it looks pretty nice, but I'm wondering how it compares to the > "cobra links" cables which cost more than twice as much. They both look > about the same. Is the cobra links really that much better? > > prosport: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbeware/prolock.html > cobralinks: http://www.lockitt.com/cobralin.htm > > My bike was stolen in december and I'm just now getting around to > replacing it. This time, if someone wants to steal it, it's going to be > much more of a pain in the ass. And if I come out there with my gun as > they're trying to steal it, they better hope I know what VA law says > about use of lethal force! (Does a motorcycle count as a loved one?) From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 27 22:50:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f176.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.241.176]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7S2oi816337 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:50:37 -0700 Received: from 207.51.180.79 by lw6fd.law6.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:50:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.51.180.79] From: "sara benson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:50:36 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2000 02:50:37.0131 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE5F79B0:01C0109A] unsubscribe _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 27 23:28:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7S3SG817079 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA12128 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprelay2.abs.adelphia.net ([64.8.20.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA17917 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([216.174.23.73]) by smtprelay2.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id FZZGAQ00.HXR for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:28:02 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Summit Point Raceway Photos Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:28:00 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Okay, lots photos this Sunday at Summit Point. The weather sucked for riding to the track (I wimped out and took the Rodeo), but I did get a lot of photos. For your viewing pleasure: Album 1 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=8401838 Album 2 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=8402339 Album 3 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=8402370 Gary From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 27 23:33:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7S3XM817188 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otaku.org by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: koroshiya.otaku.org [206.138.238.11]) id QQjedi00316; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 03:33:19 GMT Message-ID: <39A9DD7E.3E2518B3@otaku.org> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:33:19 -0400 From: robert@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Pro Sport cable vs. "cobra links" References: <39A9BADC.9B544F23@otaku.org> <39A9C7E3.B0C7198C@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Huson wrote: > > RE: "loved one" - nope, if you cap a dude for messing with a piece of > easily replacable machinery yo' ass is gonna do some time in a place you > don't wanna be. Yes, I know... I was being sarcastic. All I can say is, would be thieves better not depend on the legal knowledge of a gun-wielding individual. > RE: Chains - Any chain can be cut or frozen (nitrogen) and shattered, but > ANY chain is a deterent. Thieves are basically lazy - thye'll move on to a > bike with no chain, no alarm, and no hungry mutt sleeping under it. I know any chain can be broken somehow, it's mostly a matter of how difficult and how much time it takes them to do it. As long as it's more difficult than "completely trivial" then it's probably a reasonably good deturrent. If it takes them 5 seconds with liquid nitrogen (which is really cheap stuff from what I hear) then it might as well not be there at all. It looks like the snake-type chain would be harder to freeze since the links are very close together, making it harder to freeze an individual link. It's about 1" think so a saw would probably take a while. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 01:00:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7S50L818981 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA12472 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprelay2.abs.adelphia.net ([64.8.20.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA19474 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([216.174.23.34]) by smtprelay2.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id FZZEM000.PXW for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:51:36 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman, IDS" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Summit Point Raceway Photos Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:51:33 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Okay, lots photos this Sunday at Summit Point. The weather sucked for riding to the track (I wimped out and took the Rodeo), but I did get a lot of photos. For your viewing pleasure: Album 1 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=8401838 Album 2 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=8402339 Album 3 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=8402370 Gary From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 07:57:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SBvG826136 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA13429 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aba.com (mail.aba.com [198.242.42.47]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA27418 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ABAOF40-Message_Server by aba.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:56:39 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:56:08 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: Subject: Insurance Claim ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_CF975167.ADCCA7E2" This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_CF975167.ADCCA7E2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My first insurance claim is about to be reported. I was riding over the weekend, hit some gravel and lost control of bike = luckily I was travel fast.=20 My question is=20 Will this type of incident fall under Collision or Comprehensive? I think = that it will still fall under collision because I was still behind the = wheel.=20 --=_CF975167.ADCCA7E2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML
My first insurance claim is about to be reported.
 
I was riding over the weekend, hit some gravel and = lost=20 control of bike luckily I was travel fast.
 
My question is
Will this type of incident fall under Collision or=20 Comprehensive? I think that it will still fall under collision because I = was=20 still behind the wheel.
--=_CF975167.ADCCA7E2-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 08:03:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SC3l826232 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-109.patriot.net [209.249.180.109]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7SC3QX26665; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:03:30 -0400 Message-ID: <39AA52F9.99F760B0@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:54:33 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: robert@XXXXXX CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Pro Sport cable vs. "cobra links" References: <39A9BADC.9B544F23@otaku.org> <39A9C7E3.B0C7198C@patriot.net> <39A9DD7E.3E2518B3@otaku.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit robert@XXXXXX wrote: > Yes, I know... I was being sarcastic. All I can say is, would be > thieves better not depend on the legal knowledge of a gun-wielding > individual. Methinks thieves sieze the opportunity - loose bike, empty van - gone. Some poor soul had his primo sccot yanked in the middle of Crystal City in broad daylight. 4 men and a van - lift and toss, slam the door and *screee-eee-eee* gone... I know any chain can be broken somehow, it's mostly a matter of how > difficult and how much time it takes them to do it. As long as it's > more difficult than "completely trivial" then it's probably a reasonably > good deturrent. If it takes them 5 seconds with liquid nitrogen (which > is really cheap stuff from what I hear) then it might as well not be > there at all. Actually, the nitrogen thang was done by techo-geeks just to show that a super hard chain could be cracked, but you'd probably have to search the crime files to find a real life example of a thief using that trick. Thieves are lazy. It looks like the snake-type chain would be harder to freeze since the > links are very close together, making it harder to freeze an individual > link. It's about 1" think so a saw would probably take a while. Seen those - serious stuff. Now if they only made them *light*. About the only time my ride is parked outside is when I'm on the road. The frigging chain would eat up half my cargo bay and half the tonnage capaicity. Solution - Le Loud Alarm. Wieghs ounces, requires zero caro space. Could add a fiber optic *chain* - when cut trigger alarm. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 08:22:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SCMH826570 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA13483 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA27693 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-109.patriot.net [209.249.180.109]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7SCMAX28325; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:22:11 -0400 Message-ID: <39AA575E.78FBDE62@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:13:18 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Beatty CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance Claim ? References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BEDDC0068D3C401B88A0CE22" --------------BEDDC0068D3C401B88A0CE22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes - collision. Comp covers stuff like trees falling on the bike while it's parked, vandalism damage, and the like. Collision covers stuff you bend while moving, laibility covers other folks stuff you bend. Hope you survived without damage. Bikes can be fixed/replaced, bent riders limp forever. Bill Robert Beatty wrote: > My first insurance claim is about to be reported. I was riding over > the weekend, hit some gravel and lost control of bike luckily I was > travel fast. My question isWill this type of incident fall under > Collision or Comprehensive? I think that it will still fall under > collision because I was still behind the wheel. --------------BEDDC0068D3C401B88A0CE22 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes - collision.  Comp covers stuff like trees falling on the bike while it's parked, vandalism damage, and the like.  Collision covers stuff you bend while moving, laibility covers other folks stuff you bend.

Hope you survived without damage.  Bikes can be fixed/replaced, bent riders limp forever.

Bill

Robert Beatty wrote:

 My first insurance claim is about to be reported. I was riding over the weekend, hit some gravel and lost control of bike luckily I was travel fast. My question isWill this type of incident fall under Collision or Comprehensive? I think that it will still fall under collision because I was still behind the wheel.
--------------BEDDC0068D3C401B88A0CE22-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 08:59:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SCwx827144 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA13598 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA28409 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id FAA19313 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 05:58:53 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 05:58:53 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "DC-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Fastoll/Smarttag transponder mounts Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 05:58:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is what I'm using. with the addition of a bit of velcro, it works beautifully http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/product.asp?Dept=&ID=2255 Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 09:27:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SDRc827645 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA67122 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:15:57 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.93) with SMTP id JAA25588 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:27:25 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256949.0049E9E8 ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:27:20 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256949.0049D196.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:26:14 -0400 Subject: BEWARE!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In response to recent discussion, here is a friendly warning from our friends on the Brit-Iron list: Beware of synthetic oil! It can do terrible things to you and your beloved motorcycle. It will not only leak out of your engine faster than you can put it in, but it will also cause your oil filter to clog and implode, dumping debris and dirt into your lubrication system. It also will make every part of your bike permanently slippery because of its linear molecular chain dispersion action. Then it will leak onto your kickstand causing it to retract automatically, dropping your bike on the ground! But that's not all... Synthetic oil will round off your gears and spin your bearings. It will also splatter onto your seat causing your girlfriend to fall off in the apex of a turn and she'll never ride with you again. Synthetic oil coats your sight window and your timing window with a whitish pro-emulsification additive that is both non-removable and highly corrosive. Synthetic oil will completely leak onto the ground overnight and your dog will drink it and die. Synthetic oil will wear out your tires and make your battery leak. It will give you the desperate need to urinate after you put your full leathers on and then jam your zippers shut. It will contaminate your gasoline causing your bike to stall on railroad tracks and accelerate uncontrollably near police cars. It will make it rain during rallies and on weekends. It will lubricate four timing belts causing them to jump teeth and break your valves to bits. Synthetic oil chemically weakens desmodromic valves and causes the clearances to change every six miles. Then it melts the black soles of your riding boots night before you walk across your new carpeting. While riding past groups of attractive women it will cause both of your handlebar grips to slip off at the same time so you smash your windscreen with the bridge of your nose. It also causes your swingarm to crack, your studs to break, and your rotors to warp, and then it voids your warranty by changing your odometer reading to 55,555. It also dries out your wetclutch and wets your dryclutch. It makes your clutch slave cylinder seal fail in the heaviest traffic on the hottest day of the year while putting an angry wasp in your helmet for good measure. Synthetic oil hides your 13mm socket and puts superglue on your earplugs. Synthetic oil will scratch your faceshield and make your gloves shrink two sizes night before trackday. Synthetic oil stole your neutral and sold it to the Chinese for $1.25. Synthetic oil will make you grow a tail. Synthetic oil will write long crazy e-mails to your Internet friends and then sign your name at the bottom! Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '58 / '65 Triton "kit" http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 09:58:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SDwj828225 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.67.8e868ec (6963) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:58:18 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <67.8e868ec.26dbc9f9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:58:17 EDT Subject: Summit Point (short) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 More to come on this weekend BUT.... Please join me in congratulating Danny Thompson on his first WIN!!! Danny put the mighty SV650 up front and onto the top podium spot this weekend in D-Superbike. I can't give a full report as I was dicing in a 5th/4th/3rd battle behind him, but if the way he came by me on the start was any indication, I'd say he was flying. Congrats Danny!! - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 10:11:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SEB9828815 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.15]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id KAA23785 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:11:05 -0400 X-Really-To: Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:14:03 -0400 Message-ID: <01C010D8.B106B100.dthompso1@erols.com> From: Danny Thompson Reply-To: "dthompso1@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Summit Point (short) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:14:02 -0400 Organization: Technology Education X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 22 TEXT On Monday, August 28, 2000 9:58 AM, BryanRoach@XXXXXX [SMTP:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] wrote: > > More to come on this weekend BUT.... > > Please join me in congratulating Danny Thompson on his first WIN!!! > > Danny put the mighty SV650 up front and onto the top podium spot this weekend > > in D-Superbike. I can't give a full report as I was dicing in a 5th/4th/3rd > battle behind him, but if the way he came by me on the start was any > indication, I'd say he was flying. > > Congrats Danny!! > > - Brian Thank you Brian. What Brian humbly fails to mention is that he was on an unfamiliar bike loaned to him from Speedworks, and Randy Moran wasn't racing. I am pleased with my weekend though, I finally broke into the 25's and consistent 26's. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 10:12:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net (relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net [38.9.152.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SECu828996 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13TPec-00057O-00; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:12:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 8:58 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Corbett's new bike Message-ID: <20000828100915270-6b281ad9@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Did anybody else's interest jump when you read about the optional grenade launcher??? Take *that* you frickin' cell-phone-talkin', no-look-lane-changin, brain-dead cage drivin' MOron!!! Man talk about finishing the commute w/ a smile on your face. Kinda eliminates the need to find a way to carry a rifle. Oh and to whoever was looking at that I'd double check before relying on the if you're unloaded you're legal argument. I'm honestly not sure one way or the other but MD is _real_ tight-assed about firearms, VA is much better but real strict on violations, DC ... fuggedaboudit. R Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:27:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: My new bike is perfect for DC To: DC Cycles Can't to show you the latest urban scooter on the next bike night...but here's a preview: -Corbett From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 10:25:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SEPM829828 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from navieg1.trw.com by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:24:15 -0700 Received: (from RESVA-MS6 [158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2000082807242413865 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:24:24 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:23:51 -0400 Message-Id: <39AA760C.5EE14641@trw.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:24:13 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: DC Cycles at Summit 08/26-27/2000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a quick note to keep any interested apprised of the racing exploits of your fellow listers. The weekend went fairly well for all involved, I think. DC Cycles was represented by (in no particular order), Brad Faas, Fred Fermani, Brian Roach, Danny Thompson, Leonard Roy, and me. Laura Granato was up on Saturday to watch. Andrew Culpeper and Hugh Caldwell stopped by on Sunday. Please forgive my bad memory if I missed anyone. These are the results I know about: Brian Roach wrapped up the WERA Formula 2 mid-Atlantic championship with a convincing 1st place performance aboard his TZ250. I think only Danny Thompson was anywhere near him at the finish. On slicks for the first time, Danny Thompson proceeded to decimate the Lightweight Twins and D-Superbike field aboard his SV650, and earn the first wins of his career. I think I'm getting out of racing just in time. ; ). Under intense pressure from Danny, I cracked like a peanut and crashed during the Lightweight Twins race, but remounted and was able to finish 8th. This was good enough to secure the 2000 WERA Lightweight Twins championship for the mid-Atlantic region (say that 3 times fast). Brad Faas and Leonard Roy continued along their respective learning curves, with Leonard earning a top ten finish in Lightweight Twins. I'm not sure of Fred's results for the weekend, but I know he left on two feet, so that's the main thing. Thanks to all DC Cyclers for your support during the year. It's been a great summer. Anyone interested in trying road racing should not forget the wealth of information and experience available on this list. Finally, thanks especially to Brian Roach for hauling my race bike to various rural areas throughout the season at great inconvenience and without complaint of any kind. You're the best! Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 10:50:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SEo4800789 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id n.f.89bf86a (6963); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:49:54 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:49:53 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point (short) To: dthompso1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 8/28/00 10:14:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dthompso1@XXXXXX writes: > What Brian humbly fails to mention is that he was on an unfamiliar bike > loaned > to him from Speedworks, and Randy Moran wasn't racing. I am pleased with my > weekend though, I finally broke into the 25's and consistent 26's. Hey... I had fun on that bike. I was actually very happy to shut people up that claimed I only run up front due to horsepower. I took that 56hp NSR250 to the third podium spot against a gaggle of SVs, which I was really happy about. Of course... if it had 10 more HP.... :) And if you're running those times, You wouldn't have been far behind me on the mighty RR - looks like I'm going to need more practice time at Summit! - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 11:47:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r19.mx.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SFlt801934 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.3e.406d25 (4331) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:47:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3e.406d25.26dbe386@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:47:18 EDT Subject: New Kawasaki Dealer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7SFmD801935 In case any of you Team Green riders out there didn't know, there is a new Kawasaki dealer located on Rt. 606 as you're coming into Herndon. It's across the street and just ahead of the UHaul place. They've been there 2 weeks...still geting settled in. Here's the information on their business card. Rhoads Cycle Sports, LLC ATV's - Motorcycles- - Jet Ski's Tom & Kevin Rhoads 23035 Douglas Ct. #110 Sterling, Va 20166 Phone: (703)-437-6388 "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." M-bM-^@M-^TErnest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 14:10:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SIAh805255 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-57.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.185]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08703; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39AAD6B5.3476613A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:16:37 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dthompso1@XXXXXX" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Summit Point (short) References: <01C010D8.B106B100.dthompso1@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Danny, You go! Congrats! See what happens when you sell the VFR!!! %^) Chuck Danny Thompson wrote: > > On Monday, August 28, 2000 9:58 AM, BryanRoach@XXXXXX > [SMTP:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] wrote: > > > > More to come on this weekend BUT.... > > > > Please join me in congratulating Danny Thompson on his first WIN!!! > > > > Danny put the mighty SV650 up front and onto the top podium spot this weekend > > > > in D-Superbike. I can't give a full report as I was dicing in a 5th/4th/3rd > > battle behind him, but if the way he came by me on the start was any > > indication, I'd say he was flying. > > > > Congrats Danny!! > > > > - Brian > > Thank you Brian. > > What Brian humbly fails to mention is that he was on an unfamiliar bike loaned > to him from Speedworks, and Randy Moran wasn't racing. I am pleased with my > weekend though, I finally broke into the 25's and consistent 26's. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 14:32:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SIWB805943 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-57.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.185]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02789; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39AADBB4.B1A4A80E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:37:56 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laura Granato CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HUGE T.Y./rr2 Road report References: <007b01c01060$e4542b00$c87c3004@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura, Two words: YOU'RE WELCOME! %^) Laura had a huge smile on her face after yesterday's ride. She rode really well, even in the "challenging" sections. Hopefully, everyone who joins Laura on RR2 on September 9th will have as good a time as she did. Chuck Laura Granato wrote : > > Hi all! Just wanted to say a HHHUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEE thank you to > chuck pena and rob keiser for taking me on a "dress rehearsal" of the > relaxed ride route today. The three of us met this morning and rode the > route, timed it, and checked out the roads/where gas stops > were/etc.--basically making sure I know the roads so I don't get everyone > lost :-) From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 14:37:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SIbI806060 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by wodc7mr1.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQjefq12746 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:37:16 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjefq17378 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:35:03 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@misserve0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:32:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: OHV Riding/Off-Road fun Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I know that some of you out their have been doing some off-road riding & whatnot. I was thinking of getting my old dirtbike cleaned up and running. Anyone out there is doing 'off-road group rides'? Anyone want to? Where are you guys riding? What are you riding? "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 14:45:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SIjI806272 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id NAA06331 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:45:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id NAA06327 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:45:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA01907; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000828144533.00a20840@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:46:42 -0400 To: Laura Granato From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Relaxed Ride Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <39AADBB4.B1A4A80E@ix.netcom.com> References: <007b01c01060$e4542b00$c87c3004@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just re-subbed after being on vacation, so I need an update... Is the relaxed ride still going to be on the 9th? Time? Meeting place? Thanks! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 14:52:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SIqE806401 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-57.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.185]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13301; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39AAE06C.E856225A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:58:04 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laura Granato CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR2 route for relaxed riders References: <003901c01096$02ab6660$d47c3004@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple points of clarification so that no one gets too confused -- but that wouldn't be the first time! %^) -- and for those who have never been on these roads before. > R 688/Leeds Manor Rd. 688 all the way until it ends at Route 17 has lots of good turns! %^) > L to stay on 688 just past RR tracks/10 mph Definitely SLOW DOWN when you see the signs for the railroad tracks. And the "10 mph" marked turn is a sharp righthander. > R 606 This is another fun road with lots of good turns! %^) > (option: R on 601 to end, X and regroup, then back) 601 is the road that goes up and along Mount Weather. Going from Route 7 to Route 50, there is one particularly tricky turn (if you've never ridden on this road before). There are a series of three turns by the weather station marked "10 mph". The first two aren't too severe. But the third one is the sharpest of the three and a downhill lefthander. There is usually some gravel/rocks on the inside of the turn. This is not a turn to try and go banzai on. When Glenn Braunstein led a group on a ride that included 601 a few weekends ago, one rider managed to go straight through the turn. Fortuntely, there is a "run off" (but gravel, loose rocks) and he managed to keep it upright. Also, at the end of the final downhill section there is a righthand turn marked "15 mph" which is decreasing radius. "X" above means to cross Route 50 (4 lanes wide) and go into the parking lot on the other side to re-group, wait, rest. Then turn around and ride 601 back to Route 7 and turn right onto Route 7. > L Get onto Business Route 7 going into Round Hill or > Right exit and left at bottom (Gas station here) The left for Business Route 7 is not a big sign and without a whole lot of advance warning. Yesterday, I saw it, moved over, and went pretty hard on the brakes to make the turn. Rob and Laura stayed straight on Route 7 and took the exit for Round Hill. > R 719/Airmont Rd. This is actually New Cut Rd. (but still 719) in Round Hill and becomes Airmont Rd. somewhere outside of Round Hill. If you missed the turn for Business Route 7 and take the Round Hill exit off of Route 7, you'll be coming into town from the opposite direction and will actually make a left onto 719. Also, there's a gas station in Round Hill if anyone's riding a VTR! %^) > R 611/St. Louis Rd. - flashing yellow light Another road with good turns! > R 626/Plains Rd. (gas station here) And yet another road with good turns! And a great way to end the ride. Do you sense a theme here??? %^) > R 55 Another gas station here in The Plains. > Lunch stop in The Plains at The Rail Stop or back down 55 to Joe's. If The Rail Stop is too crowded, then take 55 into Marshall and eat at Joe's (on the left in the main part of town after you cross Business 17). Rest assured that everyone will be in good hands with Laura for RR2. She now knows the route like a pro. And I know she won't ride like a maniac! %^) I'm just bummed that I won't be able to join in all the fun that day. Chuck From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 15:15:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.coreexpress.net (mail.coreexpress.net [216.91.40.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SJFj807065 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hrndnltme1 (dhcp26-35.coreexpress.net [63.101.26.35] (may be forged)) by mail.coreexpress.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA05142; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:15:37 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: From: "Matthew R. Elliott" To: "Sean Jordan" , Subject: RE: OHV Riding/Off-Road fun Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:11:22 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: I had a Honda 4 Foreman until just recently - had a lot of fun on it out by Tasker's Gap in the GWNF, 66W to 81S about 30 miles. It's the only place I could find that was legal to ride off road - 4wheelers, bikes, as well as jeeps/trucks ride the trails out there. Nice stream crossings, some water breaks that serve as jumps, etc. Lots' of rocks though, many bikes were there, but always complained on the rocky terrain. I'd be curious if others know of legal places to ride that are either closer or better. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Sean Jordan [mailto:sjordan@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 2:32 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OHV Riding/Off-Road fun I know that some of you out their have been doing some off-road riding & whatnot. I was thinking of getting my old dirtbike cleaned up and running. Anyone out there is doing 'off-road group rides'? Anyone want to? Where are you guys riding? What are you riding? "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 15:22:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SJMT807210 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7SJMNd17828 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:22:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: OHV Riding/Off-Road fun In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Sean Jordan wrote: > Anyone out there is doing 'off-road group rides'? Anyone want to? > Where are you guys riding? What are you riding? Check out my sig for answers to your questions. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 16:28:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SKSg809500 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA16292 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12096 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17670 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:28:35 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000828162628.00d0c100@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:28:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Rain Rain Go Away Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed A friend showed me a cool radar map. We have all seen intellicast - just click on severe weather for something a little nicer. Looks like this line of heavy rain that just hit Sterling will be followed by a much bigger line in an hour or so. Got my new tires to put on this week, unfortunately the rear D207 is just about bald. Should be a fun ride home ;-) http://www.intellicast.com/LocalWeather/World/UnitedStates/MidAtlantic/Virgi nia/Sterling/MetroStormWatch/ ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 17:44:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SLiu815347 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA04529; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:39:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Cc: "Paresh Karandikar" , , "Ripple, Edward" , Subject: How I Spent My Summer Vacation (very long and probably very boring) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:44:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Well, folks, I'm back from my New England motorcycle trip. The plan was for myself and my roommate, Par, to leave Arlington after work on Friday afternoon and ride up to New York state to spend the first night. We were to meet the other two riders (Dave, Par's brother and Ed, Dave's friend and coworker) in New York. From there we would go to Montreal for a day or two, then wind our way around New England finding tasty roads along the way. Friday: --- Got up to New York after a nasty storm on I-95 that tested our raingear thoroughly. We met up with Ed and Dave at a rest stop as planned. Shortly afterwards, we stopped at a motel somewhere in upstate New York. Saturday: --- Woke up late and headed toward Montreal. We took the main highway in the interests of speed, but decided halfway to take Rt. 9 instead. This sacrificed a bit of speed but made for a much more enjoyable ride. Passed a few lakes and rode some twisties. We passed through the border crossing without even pulling out our driver's licenses. If you're planning to go into Canada, I definitely wouldn't worry about passports. We got into Montreal about 6:00. We parked on one of the main streets (looked a bit like Georgetown) and Ed and I took off to look for a hotel for the night. Every hotel in Montreal had been booked that night due to a Film Festival and various conventions. We ended up finally finding a hotel near the airport at about 11:30. We all put off the idea of checking out the night life that night due to exhaustion. Sunday: --- Switched to a hotel in downtown Montreal. We spent most of the day just wandering around downtown Montreal (it's not very big). Had an Indian buffet lunch and walked through the Chinatown district looking for cheap crap. Found a lot of it, but didn't end up buying any. Looked through some tobacco shops for Cuban cigars. After dinner and some more wandering around, we made our way to one of Montreal's finest gentleman's clubs and watched the show for the rest of the night. Monday: --- Got up early and went looking for Cuban cigars again. Found a box for about $100 Canadian which works out to about $65 US. Packed up the luggage (Tourmaster Cortech saddlebags and unknown brand tailpack) and we all headed back south toward the USA. Crossed the border with the see-gars packed in the bags. "Did you bring anything back with you from Canada?" "No sir, not a thing." "Okay go ahead." Okay so I lied. Had a USDA inspector come up to us after we came across the border. I was worried at first until I found out he had a BMW and a Yam RZ350 and just wanted to talk bikes. We made our way down through Vermont via some nice twisties to Montpelier. Very cool little town this, sort of Mayberry meets Arlington. We settled down for the night after a great steak dinner a local joint. Tuesday: --- We headed down rt.100 to check out the twisties we kept hearing about. Some great riding, but a few miles after going through the Gap, Par and I had to slow down to wait for the other two. It turns out that Dave dumped his bike going through a fairly tame left-hander. Not a scratch on him, but the forks are both bent (must have hit the ditch front-first). We spent the rest of the day consoling him, arranging a tow, and just generally dealing with the details. Par and I felt somewhat responsible, being the more "senior" riders on the trip, even though we had told him many times to ride at his own pace. Wednesday: --- Woke up late. Dave arranged for a rental car and we all decided to take a day off from riding. It was raining anyway, so we didn't feel we were missing anything. We checked out the Ben & Jerry's factory nearby, but got bored waiting for our turn to take the tour and left. This place sucked. The ice cream was at least as expensive as retail and there was nothing to see, really, except on the tour. I can't remember what else we did that day. Thursday: --- Dave threw his stuff in the rental car and headed home to NYC. He left his bike at a local bike shop for the insurance adjuster to take a look at. It's pretty much totalled - over $6k in parts alone, according to the shop guy. The rest of us (now Ed, Par and myself) headed east toward New Hampshire and Maine. We rode some great twisties on the Kankamagus highway (too much traffic though). Wound our way to Maine and the coastline. Found a tiny little dock in a small coastal town and had a lobster dinner. We ran into the governor of Maine while waiting for dinner to cook. His wife was a real talker and came up to Par raving about his leather riding jacket. It turns out they ride a Harley now and then. (I wondered if the state's lack of a helmet law reflects this.) We ended up staying in a motel off rt. 1. Friday: --- Time for Ed to go back to NYC and get some nookie from the girlfriend. He headed back via the highway while Par and I struggled to find some good riding roads along the coast. If you're thinking of trying this some day, forget it. Saw a couple of limos near Kennebunkport and wondered if the ex-president was in one. They pulled into a parking lot and I showed them a wheelie. I'm not really a Bush supporter, but what the hell. After plenty of traffic and bad roads, we decided to hop on the interstate. The idea was to make it down to Par's girlfriend's parents' house in Rhode Island that night (got all that?). It was getting along toward 8:00 or so when Par's Daytona all of a sudden starts pouring smoke from behind the fairing. We pull over with traffic whizzing all around us. Par reports a loud "thump" and then a loss of all power. It turns out upon closer inspection that his engine has thrown a rod and a big chunk of engine case along with it. This on an engine with just over 5,000 miles and less than a year old. We get the bike towed and Par gets his girlfriend to come pick him up. Luckily we were only about 45 minutes away. On a side note, a guy named John Falvey stopped to check on us while on the side of 95. I gave him a cigar for his trouble and he gave us some good advice on where to get the bike taken. Falvey (aka Falvio on the NEDoD mailing list) was very helpful and friendly. Slept like a rock that night. Saturday: --- I say my goodbyes to Par, his girlfriend, and assorted family members. My plan is to go down to Pennsylvania to the Pocono Cycle Jam, a race/festival sort of thing at the Pocono Raceway. I took rt. 6 out of Rhode Island in the hopes of finding some good riding. Turned out to be very scenic, but not much in the way of curves and way too much in the way of traffic. I eventually hopped on the interstate to make some time. I stopped about 30 miles from the track at a hotel and crashed for the night. Sunday: --- Made my way down to the track after a couple of wrong turns on the highways. If you come this way, make sure you get a decent map - mine seemed to be very inaccurate. The track was great - very much like Daytona. It's a big tri-oval with a big infield section. Lots of vendors (but not Corbin as my ass was hoping) and lots of tricked-out sportbikes. I ended up in the grandstands talking with a couple that rode a Honda Pacific Coast (PC800). I watched the first race (Unlimited Superbike) and left soon after in the hopes of getting home before nightfall. I was disappointed in not seeing the Gary Rothwell show, but preferred to get home. As I get near DC on 95, all hell breaks loose from above. I ended up riding the last hour or so in driving rain and near-constant thunder and lightning. The cars seemed particularly lethargic, driving 10 mph on the beltway. I rode the shoulder for a long way just to make some time. I could smell my house from there and there was no way I was letting the storm or those idiots slow me down. Finally made it to the house and got the luggage inside. The rest of the night is a blur of relaxation. Cheers, Chris Weaver From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 17:46:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SLkg815463 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA16761 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:46:39 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA14409 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id o.c8.9a177a5 (4204); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:46:25 EDT Subject: Re: Rain Rain Go Away To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 mike@XXXXXX writes: << Looks like this line of heavy rain that just hit Sterling will be followed by a much bigger line in an hour or so. >> That's weird...the sun is out here at National airport... Steve Broadstreet From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 19:37:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7SNbg824275 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va6-54.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.118]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00788; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39AB22CA.BBE5810@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:41:14 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Weaver , DC Cycles Subject: Re: How I Spent My Summer Vacation (very long and probably very boring) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, Great tales of your road trip! But (ref below) are we talking about the former president, the band, or er...um...well (ref your visit to a particular gentlemen's club in Canada)??? %^) Chuck Christopher Weaver wrote : > > wheelie. I'm not really a Bush supporter, but what the hell. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 22:48:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7T2mU809822 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.87.212.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.87.212]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA25796; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Laura Granato" , Cc: Subject: RE: See ya. Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:39:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c01162$6764cb60$d457f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <005201c0105f$5a52fea0$c87c3004@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hey Laura Here's a clip from an email I hadn't gotten to deleting yet: "I have never been jealous of riders who can do wheelies, stoppies or burnouts, in fact when I first started riding that's what I lived for, but that was in 1982, I was 18 and still in High School. I would like to think I am little more mature now." Do you think this person fits the description in your sentence above? I sure don't. And yes, I know with this many people on the list there will be all types, and my observation certainly did not apply to all people - just the ones I got sick of having to sift through. Could someone please remind this guy that there are those of us with testicle still attached to our bodies please??? (I'm including, in a figurative manner, females in that) I mean, I'm trying really hard to learn to do wheelies - they're fun to do and to watch. Do I practice in traffic between stop lights? Hell no. On a back road with no one around for miles? Hell yes! Does this make me immature? Hardly. And yes, when conditions are right I'm a baller. Do I weave through lanes of moving traffic? No. Do I sneak between lanes of cars lined up stopped for a light, that will take me 20 minutes to get through otherwise? Maybe on occasion. Do i haul ass on secluded back roads within reason? you betcha. So like I said I'll check back in here & there, maybe announce a ride, etc. and all the "immature" people like me can come along if they want; but you won't hear me cut down those that don't. Unless I know you, then you're fair game. :) Anyway, sorry to beat a dead horse so I'll stop now. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Laura Granato [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 3:45 PM To: vtrman@XXXXXX; daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: See ya. Matt: I was hoping that this got to you. I don't think any of us want anyone to leave the list, but to each his own. We all have different riding styles and don't always agree with each other on certain issues, but we all agree on one thing...we love to ride.We all understand that we all don't ride the same, and we respect that about each other. I know that when the boys are doing a ride, if I don't organize a slow ride, I won't be going. It's not that I disagree with how they ride, I just realize they ride out of my comfort level and I don't want to get myself in trouble. I wish that I better understood what you weren't happy with. It will suck not to have you on the list, but ride safe no matter what you do. LAG ----- Original Message ----- From: Big Matty To: LAURA GRANATO ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 10:26 AM Subject: RE: See ya. > The negative tone I referred to has to do with how people on this list seem > to have real contempt for people that don't ride the same way they do, not > about people disagreeing with each other and even arguing. I know its a > fine line but I'm not going to write an essay on it. I was (pleasantly) > surprised by the people that replied (on & off list before my unsub took > effect) in support or at least appreciation of what I had to say - didn't > want to sign off without saying thanks. True that there is a LOT of good > discussion & info to be shared, but it really takes some time to do all that > sorting, so I'm gonna take a lil' break maybe check back in in a few months > to see what everyone's winter projects are. (BTW I only got this email b/c > Laura hit reply to all which sent it to me directly.) > > As i said hope to see some of you guys very soon on rides. Feel free to > contact me, I ride all the time and will probably contact you too. > > PS. The state of OH must hate motorcyclists. No helmet law, and they make > liberal use of gravel on their backroads, especially at the curves! My > report: ~600 miles, less than I wanted due to rain & losing a day to get a > tire replaced, however every single mile was a twistie backroad mile. No > accidents or mishaps. 1 ticket for 66 in a 55. Oh, well. > > Cheers. > Matt > > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 10:25 AM > To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: See ya. > > > but the overall "tone" of the list is just a bit too > negative for me. Its kinda like a group of people that just want to talk > > Yes, we all talk, but a lot of us often ride together too. not sure, have > you ever been on a ride with us? I've only been on a couple, but I've been > to most of the bike nights, and it's been a blast. If you think about it in > the right way, DC-Cycles is more like an extended family. Sometimes we > fight, sometimes disagree, sometimes love each other and have fun. With > this many people, we can't expect that we'd all have the same opinions. > > > > > Some of you get more > > |>fun out of judging others than you do from riding. > > Is it really judging others, or do people just have different view points? > That's how I see it, but maybe someone will disagree with me...actually, > probably. > > :-) > Laura Granato > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 22:52:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7T2qA810052 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.87.212.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.87.212]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA12318; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Laura Granato" , Cc: Subject: RE: See ya. Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:43:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c01162$e9ec0440$d457f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005201c0105f$5a52fea0$c87c3004@oemcomputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hey Laura Here's a clip from an email I hadn't gotten to deleting yet: "I have never been jealous of riders who can do wheelies, stoppies or burnouts, in fact when I first started riding that's what I lived for, but that was in 1982, I was 18 and still in High School. I would like to think I am little more mature now." Do you think this person fits the description in your sentence above? I sure don't. And yes, I know with this many people on the list there will be all types, and my observation certainly did not apply to all people - just the ones I got sick of having to sift through. Could someone please remind this guy that there are those of us with testicle still attached to our bodies please??? (I'm including, in a figurative manner, females in that) I mean, I'm trying really hard to learn to do wheelies - they're fun to do and to watch. Do I practice in traffic between stop lights? Hell no. On a back road with no one around for miles? Hell yes! Does this make me immature? Hardly. And yes, when conditions are right I'm a baller. Do I weave through lanes of moving traffic? No. Do I sneak between lanes of cars lined up stopped for a light, that will take me 20 minutes to get through otherwise? Maybe on occasion. Do i haul ass on secluded back roads within reason? you betcha. So like I said I'll check back in here & there, maybe announce a ride, etc. and all the "immature" people like me can come along if they want; but you won't hear me cut down those that don't. Unless I know you, then you're fair game. :) Anyway, sorry to beat a dead horse so I'll stop now. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Laura Granato [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 3:45 PM To: vtrman@XXXXXX; daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: See ya. Matt: I was hoping that this got to you. I don't think any of us want anyone to leave the list, but to each his own. We all have different riding styles and don't always agree with each other on certain issues, but we all agree on one thing...we love to ride.We all understand that we all don't ride the same, and we respect that about each other. I know that when the boys are doing a ride, if I don't organize a slow ride, I won't be going. It's not that I disagree with how they ride, I just realize they ride out of my comfort level and I don't want to get myself in trouble. I wish that I better understood what you weren't happy with. It will suck not to have you on the list, but ride safe no matter what you do. LAG ----- Original Message ----- From: Big Matty To: LAURA GRANATO ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 10:26 AM Subject: RE: See ya. > The negative tone I referred to has to do with how people on this list seem > to have real contempt for people that don't ride the same way they do, not > about people disagreeing with each other and even arguing. I know its a > fine line but I'm not going to write an essay on it. I was (pleasantly) > surprised by the people that replied (on & off list before my unsub took > effect) in support or at least appreciation of what I had to say - didn't > want to sign off without saying thanks. True that there is a LOT of good > discussion & info to be shared, but it really takes some time to do all that > sorting, so I'm gonna take a lil' break maybe check back in in a few months > to see what everyone's winter projects are. (BTW I only got this email b/c > Laura hit reply to all which sent it to me directly.) > > As i said hope to see some of you guys very soon on rides. Feel free to > contact me, I ride all the time and will probably contact you too. > > PS. The state of OH must hate motorcyclists. No helmet law, and they make > liberal use of gravel on their backroads, especially at the curves! My > report: ~600 miles, less than I wanted due to rain & losing a day to get a > tire replaced, however every single mile was a twistie backroad mile. No > accidents or mishaps. 1 ticket for 66 in a 55. Oh, well. > > Cheers. > Matt > > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 10:25 AM > To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: See ya. > > > but the overall "tone" of the list is just a bit too > negative for me. Its kinda like a group of people that just want to talk > > Yes, we all talk, but a lot of us often ride together too. not sure, have > you ever been on a ride with us? I've only been on a couple, but I've been > to most of the bike nights, and it's been a blast. If you think about it in > the right way, DC-Cycles is more like an extended family. Sometimes we > fight, sometimes disagree, sometimes love each other and have fun. With > this many people, we can't expect that we'd all have the same opinions. > > > > > Some of you get more > > |>fun out of judging others than you do from riding. > > Is it really judging others, or do people just have different view points? > That's how I see it, but maybe someone will disagree with me...actually, > probably. > > :-) > Laura Granato > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 28 22:54:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7T2rx810210 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.224.1.Washington1.Level3.net [209.244.224.1]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA17447; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Laura Granato" , Cc: Subject: RE: See ya. Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:45:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c01163$29fdb060$d457f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005201c0105f$5a52fea0$c87c3004@oemcomputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hey Laura Here's a clip from an email I hadn't gotten to deleting yet: "I have never been jealous of riders who can do wheelies, stoppies or burnouts, in fact when I first started riding that's what I lived for, but that was in 1982, I was 18 and still in High School. I would like to think I am little more mature now." Do you think this person fits the description in your sentence above? I sure don't. And yes, I know with this many people on the list there will be all types, and my observation certainly did not apply to all people - just the ones I got sick of having to sift through. Could someone please remind this guy that there are those of us with testicle still attached to our bodies please??? (I'm including, in a figurative manner, females in that) I mean, I'm trying really hard to learn to do wheelies - they're fun to do and to watch. Do I practice in traffic between stop lights? Hell no. On a back road with no one around for miles? Hell yes! Does this make me immature? Hardly. And yes, when conditions are right I'm a baller. Do I weave through lanes of moving traffic? No. Do I sneak between lanes of cars lined up stopped for a light, that will take me 20 minutes to get through otherwise? Maybe on occasion. Do i haul ass on secluded back roads within reason? you betcha. So like I said I'll check back in here & there, maybe announce a ride, etc. and all the "immature" people like me can come along if they want. :) Anyway, sorry to beat a dead horse so I'll stop now. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Laura Granato [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 3:45 PM To: vtrman@XXXXXX; daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: See ya. Matt: I was hoping that this got to you. I don't think any of us want anyone to leave the list, but to each his own. We all have different riding styles and don't always agree with each other on certain issues, but we all agree on one thing...we love to ride.We all understand that we all don't ride the same, and we respect that about each other. I know that when the boys are doing a ride, if I don't organize a slow ride, I won't be going. It's not that I disagree with how they ride, I just realize they ride out of my comfort level and I don't want to get myself in trouble. I wish that I better understood what you weren't happy with. It will suck not to have you on the list, but ride safe no matter what you do. LAG ----- Original Message ----- From: Big Matty To: LAURA GRANATO ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 10:26 AM Subject: RE: See ya. > The negative tone I referred to has to do with how people on this list seem > to have real contempt for people that don't ride the same way they do, not > about people disagreeing with each other and even arguing. I know its a > fine line but I'm not going to write an essay on it. I was (pleasantly) > surprised by the people that replied (on & off list before my unsub took > effect) in support or at least appreciation of what I had to say - didn't > want to sign off without saying thanks. True that there is a LOT of good > discussion & info to be shared, but it really takes some time to do all that > sorting, so I'm gonna take a lil' break maybe check back in in a few months > to see what everyone's winter projects are. (BTW I only got this email b/c > Laura hit reply to all which sent it to me directly.) > > As i said hope to see some of you guys very soon on rides. Feel free to > contact me, I ride all the time and will probably contact you too. > > PS. The state of OH must hate motorcyclists. No helmet law, and they make > liberal use of gravel on their backroads, especially at the curves! My > report: ~600 miles, less than I wanted due to rain & losing a day to get a > tire replaced, however every single mile was a twistie backroad mile. No > accidents or mishaps. 1 ticket for 66 in a 55. Oh, well. > > Cheers. > Matt > > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 10:25 AM > To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: See ya. > > > but the overall "tone" of the list is just a bit too > negative for me. Its kinda like a group of people that just want to talk > > Yes, we all talk, but a lot of us often ride together too. not sure, have > you ever been on a ride with us? I've only been on a couple, but I've been > to most of the bike nights, and it's been a blast. If you think about it in > the right way, DC-Cycles is more like an extended family. Sometimes we > fight, sometimes disagree, sometimes love each other and have fun. With > this many people, we can't expect that we'd all have the same opinions. > > > > > Some of you get more > > |>fun out of judging others than you do from riding. > > Is it really judging others, or do people just have different view points? > That's how I see it, but maybe someone will disagree with me...actually, > probably. > > :-) > Laura Granato > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 09:26:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7TDQI827638 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:26:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: BEWARE!! Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:26:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Rich, I have no words to express my gratitude for your warning or my shock at learning the truth behind my many misfortunes. I shudder to think what further calamity might have befallen me if I didn't subscribe to this list. Thanks, brother. I owe you. Crash <<...>> Mr. Crash Happy sez: "Endeavor to persevere." mrcrashhappy@XXXXXX -----Original Message-----From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX In response to recent discussion, here is a friendly warning from our friends on the Brit-Iron list: Beware of synthetic oil! It can do terrible things to you and your beloved motorcycle. > snip > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 10:55:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7TEth829162 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id JAA10487 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:55:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id JAA10473 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:55:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA01024 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000829105220.00a01680@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:57:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: DC Cycles Party Reminder! In-Reply-To: <000101c01163$29fdb060$d457f4d1@oemcomputer> References: <005201c0105f$5a52fea0$c87c3004@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_61108439==_.ALT" --=====================_61108439==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just a short reminder about the upcoming party. Everyone will be receiving an e-vite a couple weeks before the party, as well, in order to RSVP. DC Cycles Party Date: 9/23/99 Time: 5PM Location: Tom & Jeannette's 1220 S. Columbus St. Arlington house with blue shutters & boat in driveway Need Directions?: call (703) 931-9143, ask for Tom. Jeannette is clueless about directions. What should I bring?: Anything! : ) Will have some alcohol, soda & munchies, but anything edible or drinkable is welcome! : ) Can I bring anyone?: Yes! Bring friends if you'd like, especially if they ride. Hope to see everyone there! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --=====================_61108439==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Just a short reminder about the upcoming party.
Everyone will be receiving an e-vite a couple weeks before the party, as well, in order to RSVP.

DC Cycles Party
Date:  9/23/99
Time:  5PM
Location:  Tom & Jeannette's
              1220 S. Columbus St.
               Arlington
               house with blue shutters & boat in driveway

Need Directions?:  call (703) 931-9143, ask for Tom.  Jeannette is clueless about directions.

What should I bring?:  Anything!  : )  Will have some alcohol, soda & munchies, but anything edible or
                        drinkable is welcome!  : )

Can I bring anyone?:  Yes!  Bring friends if you'd like, especially if they ride.

Hope to see everyone there!

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081
--=====================_61108439==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 11:26:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7TFQ1829695 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28805 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2000 15:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.36.153.179) by flashmail.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2000 15:27:07 -0000 Message-ID: <39ABD5D0.37D3D465@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:25:04 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette Zell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Cycles Party Reminder! References: <005201c0105f$5a52fea0$c87c3004@oemcomputer> <4.1.20000829105220.00a01680@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette Zell wrote: > house with blue shutters & boat in driveway ^^^^ Traitors.... A good day for boating is a good day for riding... :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 11:31:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7TFVU829862 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id KAA14143 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:31:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id KAA14139 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:31:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA01954; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000829113159.00a08100@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:32:43 -0400 To: Dale Horstman From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: DC Cycles Party Reminder! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <39ABD5D0.37D3D465@flashmail.com> References: <005201c0105f$5a52fea0$c87c3004@oemcomputer> <4.1.20000829105220.00a01680@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I know, I know! I'd rather ride any day than boat! Just ask Tom! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 11:25 AM 8/29/00 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Jeannette Zell wrote: > >> house with blue shutters & boat in driveway > ^^^^ > >Traitors.... A good day for boating is a good day for riding... :) > >Horkster > > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > >1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer >1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 11:44:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7TFiI800175 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23470 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2000 15:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.36.153.179) by flashmail.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2000 15:45:28 -0000 Message-ID: <39ABDA1B.76165342@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:43:23 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List , Concours Owners Group Subject: Harley in the Rain Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Had to drop off my oldest daughter at a Horse Camp before work today, it was raining this morning, and my daughter is a wimp, so we took the cage. :) Since it was on my way to work, and it was still raining, I just continued on in the 4-wheeler. Anyway, there's this guy in Dale City who rides an old hardtail Harley, '60s vintage, I think, complete with the solo springer seat and two-tone windshield. I've been seeing him around quite a bit lately, always on good weather days, he always nods or waves to me on my bike. Anyway, I was impressed to see him out this morning, with his shorty helmet, goggles, and full rain gear. That was cool. I love to see old bikes being ridden, especially on days that aren't picture perfect. That guy is a true biker. But it sucked, because I was in the cage. It made me wish I had ridden my bike after all. I would have really enjoyed returning his wave on this morning. And now it's lunchtime, and it's nice out, and I'm here at work without my bike. Gotta go slink around in the cage. I sure hope no-one else sees me. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 11:50:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.nw.smtp.psi.net (relay1.nw.smtp.psi.net [38.9.154.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7TFot800368 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay1.nw.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13Tnf2-0007Hx-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:50:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:41 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: re: pro-sport v. cobralinks Message-ID: <20000829103949805-706a7500@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FWIW the pro-sport snake lock (~$46) got a great review on motorcycle online. While not light it's better than that New York Chain. Not sure if that's the one you got or not. I can't believe anyone would use that except at home, you'd need one of those silly gold Wing trailers just to haul the darn thing keep the shiny side up! R From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 11:57:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7TFvM800465 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA20435 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05467 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA1261974 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39ABDD4D.98DB3555@radix.net> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:57:01 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: [Fwd: Stolen Bike - NNR] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From the Ninja- list - babohann@XXXXXX wrote: > > posting for a cyber friend: (I know I would appreciate the assistance / or > the thousand bucks) > > From: TZTony195@XXXXXX > Subject: Stolen Bike Alert > > I attended the Washington DC BikeFest this weekend and had the misfortune > of > having my 99 R1 stolen from the parking lot of the Super8 Motel on > Allentown > Rd. (across from Andrews Air Force Base). Last six digits of VIN# 004110. > Reward of $1000.00 to anyone with information leading me to bike. > It was R/W/B with wht EuroTail,wht frame sliders,blk Sprint top mount > steering damper,Hindle full exhaust w/ carbon canister and wht Yamaha solo > rear seat cowl(ABS plastic one). > Any assistance from the list members will be greatly appreciated. > > Tony White -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 12:02:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7TG2P800573 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23640 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:02:10 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000829120132.00cf98a0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:02:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Harley in the Rain In-Reply-To: <39ABDA1B.76165342@flashmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:43 AM 8/29/00 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Had to drop off my oldest daughter at a Horse Camp before work today, it >was raining this morning, and my daughter is a wimp, so we took the cage. :) Sure...it was your DAUGHTER who didn't want to ride in the rain! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 12:29:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7TGTE801055 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA20547 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA06293 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23680 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:29:08 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000829122641.00de63e0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:29:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: I should add.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I rode normally on my way home yesterday - despite the rain and my bad rear tire - and almost paid for it. Twice the rear end swung out in a slippery slide during slow to moderate corners. The last 1/3 of my commute you could have confused me riding with my grandmother. The bike is parked at home today (and will be tomorrow) awaiting its tire appointment Thursday. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 12:32:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.mailstart.com (mail.mailstart.com [207.231.76.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7TGWb801167 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fuchsia [207.231.76.88] by mail.mailstart.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A59C59D0148; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:32:28 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: From: toddbpeer@XXXXXX Subject: Bull Run Park. Message-Id: <290800242.34348@151.200.109.94> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:32:39 -0700 Yeah, I saw that too Mike, on my way home from Beckly, WV. I thought to myself, "Now why are ALL these people willing to sit on line to get into the park? Can't be a wine festival on park grounds....concert?" Whatever it was, it had better been worth it. What a mess. Todd ----------------------------------------------------------- Mike Troutman wrote: Anyone know what was going on at Bull Run today (Sunday afternoon). Traffic was backed up from the park entrance on 29 to Stone road. 99% Hispanic. People parking everywhere and literally hundreds of people in the road. No mention of it in the Post or Yahoo that I can find. Any ideas? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 13:55:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7THtt802483 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20889 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA08898 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 25877 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2000 10:55:43 -0700 Date: 29 Aug 2000 10:55:43 -0700 Message-ID: <20000829175543.25876.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 29 Aug 2000 17:55:43 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 29 Aug 2000 10:55:43 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: mike@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: I should add.... On Tue, 29 August 2000, Troutman wrote: The last 1/3 of my commute you > could have confused me riding with my grandmother. > > I was riding behind mike for a good 1/2 mile...he wasn't as bad as his grandma when she rides his bike, but he was being cautious. Then when I *saw* the tire, that explained it! If I had known, I would have stayed a lot farther back. lol. Laura > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > More miles than I can shake a squid at. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 15:30:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bc.com [204.99.250.45] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7TJUQ804484 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:26:53 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:21:03 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , , Cc: Subject: RE: See ya. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7TJVC804489 Hey Matt, I hope you have your flame suit on, are you sensitive or what? I guess you don't understand my dry sense of humor, I was just making conversation. Yes, I am the guy sans testicles as you see it. My somewhat confusing point was that I grew out of the need to do stunts all the time to enjoy motorcycling. Do I still wheelie? sure, and believe me its not as easy on a VFR. I never said I didn't respect other riders with different styles. I certainly didn't cut down on anyone. Some of the riders out there (IMHO) ride stupidly and are going to get hurt and give all of us who ride a bad name with the public and the police. I respect anyone that has the guts or balls ( sorry ladies ) to even ride a motorcycle. I wave at every motorcyclist I see ( yes even the beanie heads on Harleys) So chill out, dude. In fact you are welcome to my neighborhood to ride wheelies, stoppies and do burnouts anytime. I enjoy watching them too. The horse isn't dead yet. George " lost my testicles in the war" Cole >>> "Big Matty" 08/28/00 10:39PM >>> Hey Laura Here's a clip from an email I hadn't gotten to deleting yet: "I have never been jealous of riders who can do wheelies, stoppies or burnouts, in fact when I first started riding that's what I lived for, but that was in 1982, I was 18 and still in High School. I would like to think I am little more mature now." Do you think this person fits the description in your sentence above? I sure don't. And yes, I know with this many people on the list there will be all types, and my observation certainly did not apply to all people - just the ones I got sick of having to sift through. Could someone please remind this guy that there are those of us with testicle still attached to our bodies please??? (I'm including, in a figurative manner, females in that) I mean, I'm trying really hard to learn to do wheelies - they're fun to do and to watch. Do I practice in traffic between stop lights? Hell no. On a back road with no one around for miles? Hell yes! Does this make me immature? Hardly. And yes, when conditions are right I'm a baller. Do I weave through lanes of moving traffic? No. Do I sneak between lanes of cars lined up stopped for a light, that will take me 20 minutes to get through otherwise? Maybe on occasion. Do i haul ass on secluded back roads within reason? you betcha. So like I said I'll check back in here & there, maybe announce a ride, etc. and all the "immature" people like me can come along if they want; but you won't hear me cut down those that don't. Unless I know you, then you're fair game. :) Anyway, sorry to beat a dead horse so I'll stop now. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Laura Granato [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 3:45 PM To: vtrman@XXXXXX; daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: See ya. Matt: I was hoping that this got to you. I don't think any of us want anyone to leave the list, but to each his own. We all have different riding styles and don't always agree with each other on certain issues, but we all agree on one thing...we love to ride.We all understand that we all don't ride the same, and we respect that about each other. I know that when the boys are doing a ride, if I don't organize a slow ride, I won't be going. It's not that I disagree with how they ride, I just realize they ride out of my comfort level and I don't want to get myself in trouble. I wish that I better understood what you weren't happy with. It will suck not to have you on the list, but ride safe no matter what you do. LAG ----- Original Message ----- From: Big Matty To: LAURA GRANATO ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 10:26 AM Subject: RE: See ya. > The negative tone I referred to has to do with how people on this list seem > to have real contempt for people that don't ride the same way they do, not > about people disagreeing with each other and even arguing. I know its a > fine line but I'm not going to write an essay on it. I was (pleasantly) > surprised by the people that replied (on & off list before my unsub took > effect) in support or at least appreciation of what I had to say - didn't > want to sign off without saying thanks. True that there is a LOT of good > discussion & info to be shared, but it really takes some time to do all that > sorting, so I'm gonna take a lil' break maybe check back in in a few months > to see what everyone's winter projects are. (BTW I only got this email b/c > Laura hit reply to all which sent it to me directly.) > > As i said hope to see some of you guys very soon on rides. Feel free to > contact me, I ride all the time and will probably contact you too. > > PS. The state of OH must hate motorcyclists. No helmet law, and they make > liberal use of gravel on their backroads, especially at the curves! My > report: ~600 miles, less than I wanted due to rain & losing a day to get a > tire replaced, however every single mile was a twistie backroad mile. No > accidents or mishaps. 1 ticket for 66 in a 55. Oh, well. > > Cheers. > Matt > > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 10:25 AM > To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: See ya. > > > but the overall "tone" of the list is just a bit too > negative for me. Its kinda like a group of people that just want to talk > > Yes, we all talk, but a lot of us often ride together too. not sure, have > you ever been on a ride with us? I've only been on a couple, but I've been > to most of the bike nights, and it's been a blast. If you think about it in > the right way, DC-Cycles is more like an extended family. Sometimes we > fight, sometimes disagree, sometimes love each other and have fun. With > this many people, we can't expect that we'd all have the same opinions. > > > > > Some of you get more > > |>fun out of judging others than you do from riding. > > Is it really judging others, or do people just have different view points? > That's how I see it, but maybe someone will disagree with me...actually, > probably. > > :-) > Laura Granato > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 20:29:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (paleoalterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7U0TV812066 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otaku.org by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: koroshiya.otaku.org [206.138.238.11]) id QQjekf18297; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:29:28 GMT Message-ID: <39AC5566.48ED5D3D@otaku.org> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:29:27 -0400 From: robert@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: pro-sport v. cobralinks References: <20000829103949805-706a7500@watsonwyatt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob Bell wrote: > > FWIW the pro-sport snake lock (~$46) got a great review on motorcycle online. > While not light it's better than that New York Chain. Not sure if that's the > one you got or not. Yes, that's the one I'm talking about. > I can't believe anyone would use that except at home, you'd need one of those > silly gold Wing trailers just to haul the darn thing > > keep the shiny side up! > R I leave mine locked to the metal pole when i'm off riding, but the thing actually coils up pretty tight and it would fit in my tank bag without much trouble. It's pretty heavy (perhaps 8 or 10 lbs). I suppose if I didnt have my tank bag I could put it around my neck :) Seriously though, the main problem with this kind of thing, to me, is having to park next to some kind of anchor. I think I like the alarm idea. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 20:35:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7U0Yw812166 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-111-69.s69.tnt1.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.111.69] helo=erols.com) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Tvq8-0005sC-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:34:53 -0400 Message-ID: <39AC5694.3DBBBBC0@erols.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:34:28 -0400 From: Tim & Kathy Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: See ya. (and see ya, and see ya, and see ya......) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 at: 22:39:50.... and again at: 22:43:29.... and again at: 22:45:17.... "Big Matty" (vtrman@XXXXXX) thrice bestowed the same 130+ lines of immortal prose upon the group, including the following: > Here's a clip from an email I hadn't gotten to deleting yet: "I have never > been jealous of riders who can do wheelies, stoppies or burnouts, in fact > when I first started riding that's what I lived for, but that was in 1982, I > was 18 and still in High School. I would like to think I am little more > mature now." > Do you think this person fits the description in your sentence above? I > sure don't. And yes, I know with this many people on the list there will be > all types, and my observation certainly did not apply to all people - just > the ones I got sick of having to sift through. > Could someone please remind this guy that there are those of us with > testicle still attached to our bodies please??? > Anyway, sorry to beat a dead horse so I'll stop now. The horse may be dead but the blood is still flowing. Matty: DUDE! You are a number one baller all right! Yours must be the size of Indian River grapefruit! I don't wheelie on the street, so you might as well delete any of my messages while you're sifting through all the DC Cycles things that you're so sick of; yet can't seem to leave behind. Well, back to the garage to finish getting the racebikes ready for Roebling Road this weekend. . I sure hope that the lack of testicles attached to my body doesn't prevent me from defending my lead in CCS Mid-Atlantic Formula 40 Expert, or scratching and clawing with Steven Shoul to regain the lead in Middleweight Sportsman. That would be a real shame! Tim Morrow <---- Mark this as your personal "DELETE" key hot button code word! -- MSF #21769 (Promoting safe, sane and testicle-free street riding skills) CCS M/A Expert #19 (Racing in the testicle-free Lightweight classes) http://www.FlaminDucRacing.com (Testament to a testicle-free team) From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 20:43:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7U0gu812341 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otaku.org by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: koroshiya.otaku.org [206.138.238.11]) id QQjekg17148 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:42:15 GMT Message-ID: <39AC5867.AF90EA34@otaku.org> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:42:15 -0400 From: robert@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Lakeside Appts: Ninja gonna get towed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's a Kawasaki Ninja (perhaps a ZX-11, not sure... has a cover on it) with a wisconsin plate (Q2386) that's parked in carport 16 in Lakeside appartment complex in centreville. Unfortunately, the person who owns this bike doesn't own the carport and the bike is going to get towed in the next day or two. If anyone on here has any idea who this bike belongs to, please warn them. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 21:45:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7U1iw813323 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Bluice101@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.c4.88c7e1c (4408) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:44:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Bluice101@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:44:36 EDT Subject: Friend looking for a sport bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC Cycles List) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 Hi all, I am one of your loyal silent readers. I have a friend looking for a sport bike. Around 600cc any make or model. If you can help let me know Thanks, Deb 98 Royal Star From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 22:42:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (253-64-173-216.user.darwin.net [216.173.64.253]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7U2g0814389 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2G0UP [64.44.97.122] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id A4E153710134; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:43:45 -0700 Received: by 2G0UP with Microsoft Mail id <01C0120A.50E60A40@2G0UP>; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:41:48 -0700 Message-ID: <01C0120A.50E60A40@2G0UP> From: Ahalan To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: ...He's BACK and LARGER than BEFORE ! Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:41:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C0120A.50E60A40" ------ =_NextPart_000_01C0120A.50E60A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well folks I've been off the list for awhile. Last time I read the = digest was way back when FDR signed the Motorcycle Promotions = Program...no wait...different dream... Actually it was just after Bike Night 3 (I think) where I told Laura = that I'd love to lead the slow group on the upcoming weekend ride... Since then much water has rained on these roads and yours truly was deep = in other pursuits (namely guests and school) that took away every last = waking moment (and some beyond waking) of my time. I'm glad to say I'm = back ! I'm also pretty glad to see the list is more or less as I left = it. A few people complaining, a few people hurt, a couple of people = flaming, and Tom and Jeanette inviting this crazy bunch to a part...Ahh, = all I got to say is I love this s#$t.=20 So...what IS new and where are we riding to ? 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Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim & Kathy Morrow CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: See ya. (and see ya, and see ya, and see ya......) References: <39AC5694.3DBBBBC0@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Tim! Isn't "testicles" a character in Greek mythology or tragedy??? %^) Chuck Tim & Kathy Morrow wrote : > > Well, back to the garage to finish getting the racebikes ready for > Roebling Road this weekend. . I sure hope that the lack of > testicles attached to my body doesn't prevent me from defending my lead > in CCS Mid-Atlantic Formula 40 Expert, or scratching and clawing with > Steven Shoul to regain the lead in Middleweight Sportsman. That would be > a real shame! > > Tim Morrow <---- Mark this as your personal "DELETE" key hot button code > word! > -- > MSF #21769 (Promoting safe, sane and testicle-free street riding skills) > CCS M/A Expert #19 (Racing in the testicle-free Lightweight classes) > http://www.FlaminDucRacing.com (Testament to a testicle-free team) -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 22:50:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7U2oe814732 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va7-45.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.173]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA21382; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39ACA199.E6086A52@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:54:33 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ahalan CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: ...He's BACK and LARGER than BEFORE ! References: <01C0120A.50E60A40@2G0UP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Niv, Wrong list. The gun nutz have taken over! %^) Chuck Ahalan wrote : > > So...what IS new and where are we riding to ? -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 29 23:57:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7U3vP815922 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24860 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:57:16 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000829235526.00c06ac0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:57:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Fwd: Callach 2000 Is Upon Us! - September 3, 2000 at 2PM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7U3vr815923 Just a party FYI. Always a good time. Grew from a small annual get together to a huge party. Everyone is invited. Check the site for details. >From: tim@XXXXXX >To: mike@XXXXXX >Subject: Callach 2000 Is Upon Us! - September 3, 2000 at 2PM >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:30:26 -0700 >X-Mailer: Allaire ColdFusion Application Server > > >The 12th Annual Callach Festival (http://www.callach.com/) is just a >few short days away. Callach starts Sunday, September 3, 2000 at 2PM. >We've taken the party out of our backyard and moved it into the >Thompson Center Clubhouse in Kingstowne - just a short distance from >the Springfield Metro. > >In addition to bringing back all the outrageous attractions from the >past Callach festivals like the Tiger Moonbounce and cocktail-grade >Flavor-Ice, this year we've rounded up an all-star musical act - The >Clancy Brothers - coming to us all the way from Ireland. This year >you'll be able to hear the world renowned masters of Irish traditional >and folk music perform in person. They've produced more than 50 albums >during their career and they've promised us a show like you've never >seen before. And, as Callach winds into the evening and night, we will >continue with a DJ and dancing galore. > >As with every Callach, be sure to bring any friends, family or zoo >animals that would compliment our free-spirited festivities. > >Directions: >You can go to our website and click on "Directions" >(http://www.callach.com/directions/directions.cfm) or use the address >below and use Mapquest to get there. > >Thompson Center Clubhouse >6090 Kingstowne Village Parkway >Alexandria, VA 22315 > >It's sure to be the best Callach yet.M-^Y >http://www.callach.com/ _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 00:21:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5202.mail.yahoo.com (web5202.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7U4LA816321 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000830042102.17601.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.49] by web5202.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:21:02 PDT Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:21:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Dewey bound this Weekend To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone going to Dewey Beach (There's a BEACH?) this weekend? Weather permitting, I'm thinking about launching my scooter sometime Friday a.m.... Anyone is welcome to ride along (at a "relatively spirited" pace if conditions allow).. or catch up with me down there. Lemme know if you want to hook up. -Corbett '99 K1200RS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 01:38:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f38.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7U5cj817467 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:38:37 -0700 Received: from 165.247.85.36 by lw6fd.law6.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 05:38:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.247.85.36] From: "John Kozyn" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The Matty & Laura Show Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:38:36 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2000 05:38:37.0163 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B5DCBB0:01C01244] Hey DC Guys & Gals, Sorry about the subject maybe, but when you're on D-Mode (digest) you really begin to appreciate all of those that know how to cut/paste efficently. Moving right along though... I have this to offer: From: "Big Matty" >Do I sneak between lanes of cars lined up stopped for a light, that > will >take me 20 minutes to get through otherwise? Maybe on > occasion. I'm really glad to hear that BM. In fact, I think everyone should do it all the time if it can be done safely. I tend do it regularly (see caveat below, however :) Look, I didn't buy my motorcycle just to sit like a complete, friggin' idiot in traffic - behind cages (!) - when there is plenty of room for me to filter safely forward. I would underscore safely though, cuz' that's what it's all about... Frankly, the more that motorcyclists indicate (prove) that they are on motorcycles, the more the public at-large will appreciate such, differentiate appropriately, and begin accepting same. If you have ever been to Europe or to a developing country, you will know what I mean in this regard. Attitudes toward motorcycles differ markedly. For me, traffic around here is approaching the intolerable stage. Critical mass... it changes ideas. Nothing too organized though, simply grassroots activity percolating (y)our way :) YMMV, of course, and contrary arguments will be cheerfuly welcomed. JK '95 VFR D-mode _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 09:11:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7UDB1806288 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000830131047.9793.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.195] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:10:47 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:10:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Dewey bound this Weekend To: Corbett B , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i'll be in o.c., but will be coming up to dewey sun. afternoon. be on the lookout for a yellow duc 996 and come and say 'hello' (probably at the starboard) --- Corbett B wrote: > Anyone going to Dewey Beach (There's a BEACH?) this > weekend? Weather permitting, I'm thinking about > launching my scooter sometime Friday a.m.... > > Anyone is welcome to ride along (at a "relatively > spirited" pace if conditions allow).. > or catch up with me down there. Lemme know if you want > to hook up. > > -Corbett '99 K1200RS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 09:17:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UDHw806860 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-239.s493.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.239]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13U7ka-0005Ly-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:17:56 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: mouse trap racing Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:23:45 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7UDI0806861 If anyone is looking for a decent shop in the MD DC area, I'm now onboard' with Mouse Trap Racing (MTR). We havent' had a grand opening yet, but the garage is open and we are taking in customers. Website is also up. We mainly are targeting sport bikes, but we service most types except harleys. The snap on guy should be delivering our new tire machine (7 grand!) this week, and we will be changing any type of MC tire including harleys. It's located in Landover MD, directions and more info are on the website: http://www.mousetrapracing.com Labor rate is $55 an hour. Bike turn around is way faster than Free state, and Heyser cycle service dept are a bunch of lying crooks. There is a place in beltsville called GP performance which seems to be okay. There is also a place called K&N in captital heights with a dyno, which probably does fine tunning work. If you have a bike accident, definitely bring it to mouse trap. Even if you are going to do the repairs yourself. You'll probably come out better / faster , than any other place. Daniel 95 zx6r From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 09:28:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7UDSO807684 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000830132817.26485.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.195] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:28:17 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:28:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: mouse trap racing To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii a couple questions: $55/hour? are these certified m/c mechanics? why exclude the easy-and-often-to-work-on harleys? $7k for a tire changer? i guess it takes care of the balancing too? good luck with the venture....i'd love to open a nice shop --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > If anyone is looking for a decent shop in the MD DC area, > I'm now onboard' with Mouse Trap Racing (MTR). > > We havent' had a grand opening yet, but the garage is > open and we are > taking in customers. Website is also up. > > We mainly are targeting sport bikes, but we service most > types except > harleys. The snap on guy should be delivering our new > tire machine > (7 grand!) this week, and we will be changing any type > of MC tire > including harleys. > > It's located in Landover MD, directions and more info are > on the website: > http://www.mousetrapracing.com > > Labor rate is $55 an hour. Bike turn around is way > faster than Free > state, and Heyser cycle service dept are a bunch of lying > crooks. > There is a place in beltsville called GP performance > which seems to be > okay. There is also a place called K&N in captital > heights with a > dyno, which probably does fine tunning work. > > If you have a bike accident, definitely bring it to > mouse trap. Even > if you are going to do the repairs yourself. You'll > probably come out > better / faster , than any other place. > > Daniel > 95 zx6r __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 09:47:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web1505.mail.yahoo.com (web1505.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7UDlg809156 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 502 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Aug 2000 13:47:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20000830134733.501.qmail@web1505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.174.169.94] by web1505.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:47:33 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:47:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Kristina Rogish Subject: Re: Dewey bound this Weekend To: Corbett B Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Corbett, I am going to Dewey this weekend along with Mark Kitchell, Glen Braunstein, and Chris Weaver and his roommates. I think that our plan is to set out Friday (probably like between 3-7pm, though, through the thick of it) and head to Annapolis. We're gonna catch a show there Friday night, not sure on sleeping arrangements exactly (Glen's supposed to check with a friend/maybe we can find a room/I'm bringing my sleeping bag in case)... head from there to Dewey asap on Saturday AM. I have to work the lunch shift at Morton's Friday AM, so I can't get out till 2:30-3 from that. :-( Where are you staying in Dewey? -Kristina --- Corbett B wrote: > Anyone going to Dewey Beach (There's a BEACH?) this > weekend? Weather permitting, I'm thinking about > launching my scooter sometime Friday a.m.... > > Anyone is welcome to ride along (at a "relatively > spirited" pace if conditions allow).. > or catch up with me down there. Lemme know if you want > to hook up. > > -Corbett '99 K1200RS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 10:27:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (paleoalterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UER1812322 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [153.39.169.131] by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool169-131.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.169.131]) id QQjemj15019 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:26:45 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dsnyder@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:26:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Dan J. Snyder" Subject: Cycle Paint Shop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Can anyone recommend a good motorcycle paint shop in Virginia or Maryland? Someone willing to do custom work? Thankya, Dan 00 RSV From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 10:36:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UEa7813179 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 1.60.67bc6a9 (4339); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:35:46 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <60.67bc6a9.26de75c2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:35:46 EDT Subject: Re: Cycle Paint Shop To: dsnyder@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 8/30/00 10:29:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dsnyder@XXXXXX writes: > Can anyone recommend a good motorcycle paint shop in Virginia or > Maryland? Someone willing to do custom work? While this may be a shameless pulg... Call Steve Long at SpeedWerks. He does really nice race and custom work, at reasonable prices. He paints my race bikes, and will be doing a custom job on my Harley this winter. The shop is in Camden DE, about 1.25 hours from Rt50 and the Beltway. Check out... http://www.speed-werks.com/examples.html - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 10:50:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7UEos814217 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 9404 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 07:50:46 -0700 Date: 30 Aug 2000 07:50:46 -0700 Message-ID: <20000830145046.9403.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 30 Aug 2000 14:50:46 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 30 Aug 2000 07:50:46 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dsnyder@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Cycle Paint Shop On Wed, 30 August 2000, "Dan J. Snyder" wrote: In addition to Brian's recommendation, i'd also check out Chris Nicholson. he's in frederick. Does AWESOME work. He just opened his "official" shop and is looking to get it off the ground (meaning you'll probably get a good deal). He's got an album of all of his work so you can check him out. Tell him I sent you (he'll probably charge you an extra $200 or so once he knows that! Just kidding) 301-943-1181. Laura > > Can anyone recommend a good motorcycle paint shop in Virginia or > Maryland? Someone willing to do custom work? > Thankya, > Dan > 00 RSV ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 11:19:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7UFJv816399 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Wed Aug 30 08:19:39 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:19:39 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: police anger X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well, I guess now I have a much better appreciation for Fairfax county cops and why much of the biking community hates or nurses grievences against "traffic cops" in general. I won't get into the sordid, pathetic story but suffice it to say, VA's non-reciprical law not withstanding, the DMV clerk didn't even pause in honoring my out of state (WV) MSF completion card and gave me a full M class license. And if you're on a limited access roadway, make sure you have a full license instead of a permit or they'll have you push your bike to the offramp. AND won't let you ride off since you're not in the company of a fellow licensed rider. Where is this shit in the handbook? I don't remember seeing it. "it's in the Code." Well isn't that special! And was I supposed to get a copy of the code handed to me when I took my 20 question multiple-choice test? How the fsck am I supposed to know what some ass beaurocrat wrote? I swear, DMV regulations are specifically designed (eg. the mandatory 30day waiting period before you can even try to get a full license) to run countrary to any kind of sanity and deliberately allow the state to levy fines. It's fscking horse sh*t if you ask me. Sorry, rant over. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 11:21:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7UFLp816690 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Wed Aug 30 08:21:36 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:21:36 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Ducati Monster X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm considering a 750 Monster and would like any pointers or tips regarding ownership of same. I understand that valve adjustments run in the 300 - 400 per visit (I think I'll do it myself) and must be done every 3500 miles or so. Any other gotha's? theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 11:35:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UFZP817713 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 6.80.179e1b (4339); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:35:00 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <80.179e1b.26de83a4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:35:00 EDT Subject: Re: Ducati Monster To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 8/30/00 11:23:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > I'm considering a 750 Monster and would like any pointers or tips regarding > ownership of same. I understand that valve adjustments run in the 300 - 400 > per visit (I think I'll do it myself) and must be done every 3500 miles or so. > > > Any other gotha's? Valves are done every 6000 miles... and unless you're familiar with desmo valves, you might want to rethink doing them yourself :) Moto Europa in Richmond is worth the trip if you're looking to buy a Ducati. Locally, you have Coleman Powersport (Or whatever that place is calling itself these days) which I can't see anyone wanting to deal with, and Batley cycles. I bought my 900ss at Batley, and I rate them "ok". Nothing spectacular, but not bad either. Their service department, however, sucks (big suprise around here). When I took the Duc for it's first service, they managed to forget to tighten about half the bolts that keep oil in the motor. Fun Fun Fun. Since then I only deal with Moto Europa. The monster is an awesome bike, and I think you'll love it if you decide to get it. My 900ss is a blast to ride, and they're both gorgeous bikes. Only other things worth mentioning is that Ducati has a two-year unlimited milage warranty, which is nice. Aftermarket goodies are are little more expensive than items for Japanese bikes. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 11:36:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7UFaF817836 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Wed Aug 30 08:35:51 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "John Kozyn" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:35:51 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: The Matty & Laura Show X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:38:36 John Kozyn wrote: >Hey DC Guys & Gals, > >From: "Big Matty" > >>Do I sneak between lanes of cars lined up stopped for a light, that > will >>take me 20 minutes to get through otherwise? Maybe on > occasion. > >I'm really glad to hear that BM. In fact, I think everyone should do it all >the time if it can be done safely. I tend do it regularly (see caveat below, >however :) Yeah except read my post from today about it. Ffax cnty pricks. Maybe traffic has to be completely stopped before they'll tolerate it. I was headed to Oxon Hill last weekend and 495 was backed up 8 miles. After 15 minutes of unrelenting crawling, I said screw it and went down the white line between lanes 3 and 4 till I was across the WW bridge. Aside from some shouted obcenities from boiling cagers it was uneventful, till this morning... theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 11:42:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail01-oak.pilot.net (mail-oak-1.pilot.net [198.232.147.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UFg6818323 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psh-wss-02.peoplesoft.com (unk-131-194-83.peoplesoft.com [216.131.194.83] (may be forged)) by mail01-oak.pilot.net with SMTP id IAA00611; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:41:48 -0700 (PDT) From: glenn_braunstein@XXXXXX Received: from 216.131.192.133 by psh-wss-02.peoplesoft.com with ESMTP ( WorldSecure Server SMTP Relay(WSS) v4.5); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:39:34 -0700 X-Server-Uuid: ba786dbe-229e-11d4-b17b-006097075f75 Subject: Sept. 9th Ride - Bad News!! To: lgranato@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1 July 16, 1999 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:41:44 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SMTPOUT/Server/PSExternal(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 08/30/2000 08:42:56 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 15B3F53C879957-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, guys. I really hate to do this to you, but it turns out I will be in Chicago the weekend of Sept. 9 and will not be able to lead the "spirited" group during RR2. Sorry, Laura and Chuck!! I knew there was a slight possibility that I'd be out of town (as I had mentioned to you guys earlier), but it's now official. I regret missing out on this ride, as I'm sure it's gonna be a great turnout. I'm cc:'ing this to the Group in the hopes that somebody (uh, Danny?!?) might step forward and take over the lead. Sorry again, good luck finding a replacement, and keep the rubber-to-the-road!!! I don't want to hear any stories of tix/downings/mechanical failures. We've had 2 solid months of DC Cycles group rides without incident (believe me...I know...I've been on most of those unfortunate rides), so let's start the fall riding season off by keeping the streak alive!!! Glenn Braunstein PeopleSoft Consulting Enterprise Performance Management 877-654-7411 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 11:48:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UFmX818827 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-217-80.s80.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.217.80] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13UA68-0006OE-00; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:48:21 -0400 Message-ID: <018901c01299$c771e3c0$9fd73ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: , "dc cycles" References: Subject: Re: police anger Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:47:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Did I miss something? Were you ticketed for riding w/o full license on a freeway? This is a silly rule anyway. Contrary to common misperception freeways are the safest highways. Two-lane country roads and suburban arterials are the danger zones. It's nearly impossible to get hit head-on when riding on freeways and in the majority of mc accidents involving other vehicles the mc was struck from the 10-11 o'clock direction according to the Hurt Report. I'd also being willing to bet that a very small percentage of single vehicle mc crashes occur on freeways, due to their design for high speed, width, clear sight lines, etc. As for it not being in the handbook, the old "ignorance of the law is no excuse" mantra applies, although I agree that the supervision requirement is idiotic and laughable from a training perspective. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Patton To: Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 11:19 AM Subject: police anger > well, I guess now I have a much better appreciation for Fairfax county cops and why much of the biking community hates or nurses grievances against "traffic cops" in general. > > I won't get into the sordid, pathetic story but suffice it to say, VA's non-reciprocal law not withstanding, the DMV clerk didn't even pause in honoring my out of state (WV) MSF completion card and gave me a full M class license. > > And if you're on a limited access roadway, make sure you have a full license instead of a permit or they'll have you push your bike to the offramp. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 11:57:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7UFvp819606 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25922 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 15:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.36.153.179) by flashmail.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 15:57:43 -0000 Message-ID: <39AD2EBE.2032ECEC@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:56:46 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Paul A. Wilson" CC: dc cycles Subject: Re: police anger References: <018901c01299$c771e3c0$9fd73ad0@palladio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Paul A. Wilson" wrote: > This is a silly rule anyway. Contrary to common misperception > freeways are the safest highways. Two-lane country roads and suburban > arterials are the danger zones. It's nearly impossible to get hit head-on > when riding on > freeways and in the majority of mc accidents involving other vehicles the mc > was struck from the 10-11 o'clock direction according to the Hurt Report. > I'd also being willing to bet that a very small percentage of single vehicle > mc crashes occur on freeways, due to their design for high speed, width, > clear sight lines, etc. Maybe the no-freeway rule exists to accelerate the newbie's learning process? :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 12:36:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UGaH822781 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-32 #43876) with ESMTP id <0G04007DV63G3G@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:35:43 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:35:40 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: police anger To: "'Paul A. Wilson'" , pattonme@XXXXXX, dc cycles Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68067FEEC@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I know that the laws her in VA are screwed up, I had a MC license in MD and surrendered it when I moved to VA. Back then ( 3 years ago) there was a small check box on the BACK of the form (requesting that the endorsement be carried over) that the DMV person never bothered to turn over and look at. I didn't really pay attention at the time, I'd been MCless for 2 years and didn't see any relief in sight. When I went to buy my VFR this year I noticed that the endorsement wasn't there and called DMV. They looked up the form and sure enough there was the box check marked, BUT they wouldn't issue the license at that point because "just because I checked the box, doesn't mean I ever had one in the first place." They required me to goto the DMV back in MD (to the headquarters, a fate worse then death...) and get certified copies of my driving records (cost to me $40) and bring them back to VA. I did so and showed up at the DMV expecting to get my VA MC license (I'd already bought my VFR in Richmond and rode back license less) and then they lay this "Learners permit" thing on me. They said that there was nothing that could be done, I had to hold the permit for 30 days, but when I came back they would immediately be issue (no tests) a MC license. Supposedly, they "updated my notes to reflect the information." Guess what? I go back 30 days later and they have no idea what the hell I'm talking about. They've already taken my paperwork "for their records" when I was issued the permit. I should have had the copies with me, but I had left them at home on the table. To make a long story short (I had to wait 45 minutes just to see the clerk) and I went ballistic when he told me there was no record of any of this in the system. I have no idea what I said, our who I said it to, but they (much to my shocked surprise) finally did issue the license. Phew, what a frigging mess. No what puzzles the f*ck out of me is that violations were carried over and still on my VA driving record from MD, if they have the technology to carry that crap over (especially when the point systems are totally different and incompatible) why can't they look up important stuff like endorsements? Oh and the 30 day permit period? I rode the bike carefully (I was breaking it in anyway) but rode it none the less. They never even explained at the DMV what I could or couldn't do with it -- no hours, no roads, no chaperon, nothing just gave me the card and sent me on the way. -Calvin '00VFR800FI -----Original Message----- From: Paul A. Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 11:48 AM To: pattonme@XXXXXX; dc cycles Subject: Re: police anger Did I miss something? Were you ticketed for riding w/o full license on a freeway? This is a silly rule anyway. Contrary to common misperception freeways are the safest highways. Two-lane country roads and suburban arterials are the danger zones. It's nearly impossible to get hit head-on when riding on freeways and in the majority of mc accidents involving other vehicles the mc was struck from the 10-11 o'clock direction according to the Hurt Report. I'd also being willing to bet that a very small percentage of single vehicle mc crashes occur on freeways, due to their design for high speed, width, clear sight lines, etc. As for it not being in the handbook, the old "ignorance of the law is no excuse" mantra applies, although I agree that the supervision requirement is idiotic and laughable from a training perspective. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Patton To: Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 11:19 AM Subject: police anger > well, I guess now I have a much better appreciation for Fairfax county cops and why much of the biking community hates or nurses grievances against "traffic cops" in general. > > I won't get into the sordid, pathetic story but suffice it to say, VA's non-reciprocal law not withstanding, the DMV clerk didn't even pause in honoring my out of state (WV) MSF completion card and gave me a full M class license. > > And if you're on a limited access roadway, make sure you have a full license instead of a permit or they'll have you push your bike to the offramp. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 12:41:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UGfP823122 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.15]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id MAA12955; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:40:19 -0400 X-Really-To: Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:43:15 -0400 Message-ID: <01C0127F.DDEBAB50.dthompso1@erols.com> From: Danny Thompson Reply-To: "dthompso1@XXXXXX" To: "'glenn_braunstein@XXXXXX'" Cc: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Sept. 9th Ride - Bad News!! Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:43:14 -0400 Organization: Technology Education X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 34 TEXT On Wednesday, August 30, 2000 11:42 AM, glenn_braunstein@XXXXXX [SMTP:glenn_braunstein@XXXXXX] wrote: > Well, guys. I really hate to do this to you, but it turns out I will be in > Chicago the weekend of Sept. 9 and will not be able to lead the "spirited" > group during RR2. Sorry, Laura and Chuck!! I knew there was a slight > possibility that I'd be out of town (as I had mentioned to you guys > earlier), but it's now official. I regret missing out on this ride, as I'm > sure it's gonna be a great turnout. > > I'm cc:'ing this to the Group in the hopes that somebody (uh, Danny?!?) > might step forward and take over the lead. > > Sorry again, good luck finding a replacement, and keep the > rubber-to-the-road!!! I don't want to hear any stories of > tix/downings/mechanical failures. We've had 2 solid months of DC Cycles > group rides without incident (believe me...I know...I've been on most of > those unfortunate rides), so let's start the fall riding season off by > keeping the streak alive!!! > > Glenn Braunstein > PeopleSoft Consulting > Enterprise Performance Management > 877-654-7411 I will tentatively agree to lead a group of this ride depending on any unknowns coming up. Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '00 SV Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 13:04:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UH4j825061 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA1285861 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39AD3E96.966C2AF4@radix.net> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:04:22 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc cycles Subject: Re: police anger References: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68067FEEC@resie03.ie.cw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Ledford, Calvin" wrote: > Phew, what a frigging mess. No what puzzles the f*ck out of me is that > violations were carried over and still on my VA driving record from MD, if > they have the technology to carry that crap over (especially when the point > systems are totally different and incompatible) why can't they look up > important stuff like endorsements? That doesn't make them money like tickets do. Actually, violations carry over as a matter of federal law, across all 50 states. Called the 'Driver's license compact'. Basically it requires that all 50 states communicate violations of traffic law to one another. Point systems are seldom compatible, but point systems are irrelevant anyway - it's all about the money, & the state would much prefer that you not have your driving privileges revoked as you won't be making the state money through traffic fines. Rather, they'd prefer to have you driving & have the chance to impose their 'random use tax' on you for driving. That's why, even though Va. carries jail time as a (potential) punishment for some offenses, they often just tack on the $$$. If it were TRULY about safety, there wouldn't be any traffic fines, but either community service or jail time, period. I do have *some* experience in fighting nonsensical MVA (MD) rules. As a matter of law, you have a right to see in writing why you're being subjected to some obtuse requirement. Probably the same way in Va. I lowered my tax bill like that - bought late model, used Mustang from private party - great deal. - MVA assesses Blue book value in absence of a notarized receipt (pre NET documentation - not quoted by MVA employee to me) - Asked to speak to branch mgr. Asked BM to produce a copy of the law or regulation associated with this requirement. - After 1 hour they found it, it was neither posted or publicized. Further I quoted an MVA employee and they called & confirmed the info I got. - They said 'too bad, she was wrong, we're right, that will be $350. - I asked for the MVA book, got it, and said 'says here, I can deduct for mileage.' car has xxx,xxx miles on it. - We need to see the odometer 'sorry, no tags or title' can't drive it, you'll have to take my word for it as I'm under the penalty of perjury. and by the way what sections regulates your right to inspect the odometer ? - 'That will be $170.00 in taxes sir'. - my response 'thank you, better luck next time. have a pleasant day' -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 13:15:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7UHFm825993 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Wed Aug 30 10:15:21 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:15:21 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: insurance explanation needed X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need a lucid explanation of insurance coverage and what they mean. Are there any books or sites that can explain it well? My take is the following: bodily injury and property damage: when in an accident with another party (as apposed to an innanimate object) pays the OTHER parties claims to bodily injury and property damage, ie. medical bills, law suits, and repairing their vehicle. This applies when *I* am the one culpable for the accident. Un/underinsured: when the OTHER person is the liable party and they don't have (enough) coverage to satisfy MY claim against them for both bodily and property damage. Comprehensive: acts of nature cause damage to my bike, fire/theft/flood etc. Collision - pays ME for damage I inflicted on myself or property because I'm the one liable for the accident. Is this correct? What kind of coverage do you guys carry? theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 13:16:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UHGg826086 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id u.e4.9cea6da (15858); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web44.aolmail.aol.com (web44.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.5]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:16:18 2000 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:16:17 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ...He's BACK and LARGER than BEFORE ! To: , Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Gun nuts? I thought we were talking politics. I guess I'm on the wrong list also. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:52:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Charles V. Pena" writes: << Niv, Wrong list. The gun nutz have taken over! %^) Chuck Ahalan wrote : > > So...what IS new and where are we riding to ? -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 13:25:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7UHPS826681 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 3650 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 10:25:17 -0700 Date: 30 Aug 2000 10:25:17 -0700 Message-ID: <20000830172517.3649.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 30 Aug 2000 17:25:17 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 30 Aug 2000 10:25:17 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: glenn_braunstein@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Sept. 9th Ride - Bad News!! I really hate to do this to you, but it turns out I will be in > Chicago the weekend of Sept. 9 and will not be able to lead the "spirited" > group during RR2. Sorry, Laura and Chuck That's ok Glenn. Well, if Danny doesn't mind, we'd love him to step in...If not, we'll either find someone else or we'll just have one group of relaxed riders. :-) Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 13:31:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UHVc826864 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:31:13 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B887C@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'AIDS Ride DC'" , "'DC Cycles'" , "'DCMotoCrew'" , "'Andrew Janssen'" , "'Ann Eberle'" , "'Ann Marie McIntosh'" , "'Bob Dodson'" , "'Brendan Loftus'" , "'Brian Beier'" , "'Carmelo Rivera'" , "'Cindy Lasker'" , "'Crew Managers'" , "'Hampton Nager'" , "'Jane Terry (E-mail)'" , "'Martha Cagle'" , "'Michael Miller'" , "'Natasha Blinkova'" Subject: Reskins Tickets for sale for Opening Game Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:21:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I am selling my two Redskins tickets for this weekend! Its the opening game of the season. See the Skins start their run for the Superbowl. 2 tickets at $70 each 1 parking pass at $10 Section 404, Row 25 $150 for the package, much cheaper than the scalpers! Mark Kitchell PS: Please respond directly to my email address From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 14:26:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UIQP827862 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7UIQ7425528 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:26:07 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: insurance explanation needed Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:26:02 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c012af$c143d9c0$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Your explanation sounds about right to me. One thing I learned the hard way at the hands of Progressive is that damage to your bike from another vehicle counts as collision. If you don't have it and have a hit and run, you are screwed. I erroneously thought that comprehensive covered this (as in vandalism) because that is the way the agent explained it to me. I made the mistake of trusting the agent and got hosed. If you cannot afford to replace your bike yourself, get full coverage-period. Read the policy statement, does it mandate a garage for theft coverage? Does the bike have to be secured to an immovable object? They can and will deny your claim based on false information (even if their agent screwed up). Don't settle for minimum coverage as it is woefully inadequate in today's sue-happy world. I bumped mine up to cover my posterior in case I am at fault and the other party wants to sue me, others have lost homes, etc trying to settle. One weird one I found out is that my current policy covers passengers only if they DON'T live with you, in other words, GF, W or SO is SOL if they share your domicile. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA > "Where are we going and what's with this handbasket?" I need a lucid explanation of insurance coverage and what they mean. Are there any books or sites that can explain it well? My take is the following: bodily injury and property damage: when in an accident with another party (as apposed to an innanimate object) pays the OTHER parties claims to bodily injury and property damage, ie. medical bills, law suits, and repairing their vehicle. This applies when *I* am the one culpable for the accident. Un/underinsured: when the OTHER person is the liable party and they don't have (enough) coverage to satisfy MY claim against them for both bodily and property damage. Comprehensive: acts of nature cause damage to my bike, fire/theft/flood etc. Collision - pays ME for damage I inflicted on myself or property because I'm the one liable for the accident. Is this correct? What kind of coverage do you guys carry? theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 14:50:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flash.niaid.nih.gov (flash.niaid.nih.gov [128.231.136.26]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UIoU828376 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by flash.niaid.nih.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:50:24 -0400 Message-ID: <0CF057718479D111AEFA00A0C989933006E3407D@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> From: Carsten Watzl To: "'pattonme@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: insurance explanation needed Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:50:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain All those definitions look right to me. I am just in the process of 'dealing' with my bike insurance as I moved from MD to DC which had the unfortunate effect that my premium tripled! I have full coverage (Liability, Collision and Comprehensive). Interestingly, the liability makes up >50% of the final bill. So they are most afraid of the damage you can do with your bike. Comprehensive is only a bit more than 10% of the final bill, so they are not so much afraid that your bike gets stolen. The rest is for Collision, as you easily have a couple hundred $ damage the moment you drop your bike. As the comprehensive is comparably cheap I would always get it. The collision is more a question if you think you need it (or want to afford it) or not. Carsten YZF600 > ---------- > From: Matthew Patton > Reply To: pattonme@XXXXXX > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 1:15 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: insurance explanation needed > > I need a lucid explanation of insurance coverage and what they mean. Are > there any books or sites that can explain it well? > > My take is the following: > > bodily injury and property damage: when in an accident with another party > (as apposed to an innanimate object) pays the OTHER parties claims to > bodily injury and property damage, ie. medical bills, law suits, and > repairing their vehicle. This applies when *I* am the one culpable for the > accident. > > Un/underinsured: when the OTHER person is the liable party and they don't > have (enough) coverage to satisfy MY claim against them for both bodily > and property damage. > > Comprehensive: acts of nature cause damage to my bike, fire/theft/flood > etc. > > Collision - pays ME for damage I inflicted on myself or property because > I'm the one liable for the accident. > > > Is this correct? What kind of coverage do you guys carry? > > > theglobe.com > Your friendly full-service integrated online community. > http://www.theglobe.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 14:51:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail03-oak.pilot.net (mail-oak-3.pilot.net [198.232.147.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UIpX828398 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psh-wss-02.peoplesoft.com (unk-131-194-83.peoplesoft.com [216.131.194.83] (may be forged)) by mail03-oak.pilot.net with SMTP id LAA01608; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:51:30 -0700 (PDT) From: glenn_braunstein@XXXXXX Received: from 216.131.192.133 by psh-wss-02.peoplesoft.com with ESMTP ( WorldSecure Server SMTP Relay(WSS) v4.5); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:49:26 -0700 X-Server-Uuid: ba786dbe-229e-11d4-b17b-006097075f75 Subject: Re: Sept. 9th Ride - Bad News!! To: lgranato@XXXXXX cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1 July 16, 1999 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:51:32 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SMTPOUT/Server/PSExternal(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 08/30/2000 11:52:48 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 15B388BC927484-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It sounds like you guys have a lot of interested riders for the RR part of the ride anyways, so it seems it will be fun regardless. Quite honestly, I was looking forward to it and will me missing the opportunity to ride with you that day!! Oh well. I'm in San Fran the weekend following, but I'll be back the following weekend (of the 23rd), and so maybe we can organize something for then. Glenn Braunstein PeopleSoft Consulting Enterprise Performance Management 877-654-7411 "LAURA To: glenn_braunstein@XXXXXX GRANATO" cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX 08/30/00 01:25 PM I really hate to do this to you, but it turns out I will be in > Chicago the weekend of Sept. 9 and will not be able to lead the "spirited" > group during RR2. Sorry, Laura and Chuck That's ok Glenn. Well, if Danny doesn't mind, we'd love him to step in...If not, we'll either find someone else or we'll just have one group of relaxed riders. :-) Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 15:07:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fin-out.finnegan.com (firewall-user@XXXXXX [38.241.51.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UJ7J828691 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fin-out.finnegan.com; id PAA13144; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(192.68.20.4) by fin-out.finnegan.com via smap (4.1) id xma013103; Wed, 30 Aug 00 15:06:56 -0400 Received: from FHFGD-Message_Server by netmail.finnegan.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:06:16 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.3 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:06:00 -0400 From: "Judy La Follette" To: , , Subject: Re: Ducati Monster Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7UJ7P828692 ** PRIVATE ** >>> 08/30/00 11:35AM >>> In a message dated 8/30/00 11:23:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > I'm considering a 750 Monster and would like any pointers or tips regarding > ownership of same. I understand that valve adjustments run in the 300 - 400 > per visit (I think I'll do it myself) and must be done every 3500 miles or so. Well, now that we are talking Ducati motorcycles, that got MY attention!!! Valves need to be done every 6,000 miles. I am told the price ranges due to the fact that some values may need to be adjusted or shimmed, while others are ok. However, they still have to break the motor down to even check them. They charged me for eight hours of service the first time, and 10 hours the second time. My first valve job was around $600. The second valve job was close to a $1,000, including a 12,000 mile service. I got the second valve job done at Battley Cycles, who I feel never did the 12,000 mile service at all. I am guessing that they did the valves, but I could not tell you for sure, since it ran fine when I took it into the shop. I drove it 10 miles from their shop, and the motor cut OFF while driving down I-270. Had it towed back to the shop, said "it had nothing to do with the shop"--ok, but they did not charge me to fix it??? I had it trailered from the shop to my house, started it--NO oil in window--one and a half quarts low (only hold three quarts). I found out they replaced the wire and fuse with a Kawasaki wire--when asked why, they indicated that the Ducati wire would have run me about $1,000. However, I was never asked if I wanted to pay $1,000 for the wire--remember, it was not the shops fault, so why WOULDN'T I be charged??? I also had a problem with the bike not starting after taking it from the shop. I needed a new chain and sprocket 200 miles after getting it back from the service. ??? ANYWAY, sorry for the long message--I personally do not recommend Battley. However, to be fair to Battley . . . . I called Ducati, and they indicated that they did not have a lot of complaints about Battley. I also spoke with the Service Manager at Battley (after a few months--that is how long it took me to be able to speak calmly and professionally with them), and he said he could not really explain the problems, but still felt that his shop was a good one. I will NOT even purchase a quart of oil from Coleman!!! I recommend Moto Europa, 200 North Boulevard, Richmond, VA (804) 355-0550, or Winchester Motosports ((540) 722-2688) off 117 Hopewell Lane, Clearbrook, VA (Clearbrook Exit/321 off I-81). Winchester Motosports took the dealership over after Valley Cycle Center (Winchester, VA) gave it up. I believe that Donny Unger (races at Summit--with Duc Pond) goes to the Winchester Motosports, and could possibly tell you more about them. I am coming upon another "regular" service. I am wanting to give Winchester Motosports a try, but may still end up taking it to Moto Europa. I will definitely take it to Moto Europa for the valve adjustments, since it takes a little more expertise, and a new shop (even though the mechanics are Ducati trained) might be "practicing" on my bike. Good luck to you, I know that you will love the Ducati. Judy From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 15:08:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flash.niaid.nih.gov (flash.niaid.nih.gov [128.231.136.26]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UJ86828701 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by flash.niaid.nih.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:08:02 -0400 Message-ID: <0CF057718479D111AEFA00A0C989933006E3407E@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> From: Carsten Watzl To: "'bernescut@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: insurance explanation needed Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:08:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain > Read the policy > statement, does it mandate a garage for theft coverage? Does the bike > have > to be secured to an immovable object? They can and will deny your claim > based on false information (even if their agent screwed up). > I can see the problem with the garage (i guess I better check my policy), but how will they know if your bike was actually secured to an immovable object when its gone? Carsten '97 YZF600 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 15:25:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h002.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7UJPu828981 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 21439 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 12:25:48 -0700 Date: 30 Aug 2000 12:25:48 -0700 Message-ID: <20000830192548.21438.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 30 Aug 2000 19:25:48 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 30 Aug 2000 12:25:48 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: glenn_braunstein@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: Re: Sept. 9th Ride - Bad News!! On Wed, 30 August 2000, glenn_braunstein@XXXXXX wrote: > > > be back the following weekend (of the 23rd), and so maybe we can organize > something for then. Maybe we can do a pre-Zell party ride???? :-) > > Glenn Braunstein > PeopleSoft Consulting > Enterprise Performance Management > 877-654-7411 > > > > > "LAURA To: glenn_braunstein@XXXXXX > GRANATO" cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > plepc.com> > > 08/30/00 > 01:25 PM > > > > > > > > I really hate to do this to you, but it turns out I will be in > > Chicago the weekend of Sept. 9 and will not be able to lead the > "spirited" > > group during RR2. Sorry, Laura and Chuck > > That's ok Glenn. Well, if Danny doesn't mind, we'd love him to step > in...If not, we'll either find someone else or we'll just have one group of > relaxed riders. :-) > > Laura > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 15:55:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bc.com [204.99.250.45] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7UJt1829479 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:51:07 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:48:49 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Cc: "<" Subject: Re: Ducati Monster Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7UJtZ829480 Matt, I too, was considering a Ducati Monster this spring, I liked the exotic Euro charm about the bike ( former F1 driver Damon Hill has one ) I didn't like the fact that there is no tach, a single front brake disk and rather high footpeg position. Save your money and buy a Suzuki SV-650, stock its as fast as a Monster 900 and with the money you save over the 750 (about 2K) you can buy a exhaust system and a jet kit, a full leather suit and more. Both bikes offer virtually no wind protection and riding over 80 mph can get kind of hairy. BTW the valve adj on the SV is first done at 15K. The fist service (600K) consists of oil and filter change, and re-torque the bolts. No dealer necessary. Check out www.svrider.com for more info on the SV then you will ever need. Cheers, George George M Cole Senior Account Manager Boise Technology www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 410 796-0714 CUSTOMER SERVICE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM 1-800-525-9500 FAX 1-800-952-9084 >>> "Matthew Patton" 08/30/00 11:21AM >>> I'm considering a 750 Monster and would like any pointers or tips regarding ownership of same. I understand that valve adjustments run in the 300 - 400 per visit (I think I'll do it myself) and must be done every 3500 miles or so. Any other gotha's? theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 16:04:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UK4W829641 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-244.patriot.net [209.249.180.244]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7UK4OX07823; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:04:24 -0400 Message-ID: <39AD66AD.F4072AC5@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:55:25 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pattonme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: police anger References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apprently, the DMV had a brain fart when penning the m/c learners permit rules. A holder of asn MSF compltion card use to be able to get an M endorsemnet and ride. Now thye get a learners and have to back in 30 days. Needless to say, us MSF insructors were agast. The DMV promised a *fix* but said it might take a few months. Translation, don't hold your breath. The fellow licensed rider bit was never clearly outlined and leaves a lot of room for interpretaation/misundersatnding at the enforcement level. Just another statute written by bozos with absolutly NO clue. Various m/c lobby groups are working their arses off to get this mess squared away. Bill Matthew Patton wrote: > well, I guess now I have a much better appreciation for Fairfax county cops and why much of the biking community hates or nurses grievences against "traffic cops" in general. > > I won't get into the sordid, pathetic story but suffice it to say, VA's non-reciprical law not withstanding, the DMV clerk didn't even pause in honoring my out of state (WV) MSF completion card and gave me a full M class license. > > And if you're on a limited access roadway, make sure you have a full license instead of a permit or they'll have you push your bike to the offramp. AND won't let you ride off since you're not in the company of a fellow licensed rider. Where is this shit in the handbook? I don't remember seeing it. "it's in the Code." Well isn't that special! And was I supposed to get a copy of the code handed to me when I took my 20 question multiple-choice test? How the fsck am I supposed to know what some ass beaurocrat wrote? > > I swear, DMV regulations are specifically designed (eg. the mandatory 30day waiting period before you can even try to get a full license) to run countrary to any kind of sanity and deliberately allow the state to levy fines. It's fscking horse sh*t if you ask me. > > Sorry, rant over. > > theglobe.com > Your friendly full-service integrated online community. > http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 16:08:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7UK8e829758 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000830200832.21071.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.229] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:08:32 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:08:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: insurance explanation needed To: Carsten Watzl , "'bernescut@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Carsten Watzl wrote: > > > Read the policy statement, does it mandate a garage for > > theft coverage? Does the bike have to be secured to an > > immovable object? They can and will deny your claim > > based on false information (even if their agent screwed > > up). > > > I can see the problem with the garage (i guess I better > check my policy), > but how will they know if your bike was actually secured > to an immovable > object when its gone? > > Carsten > '97 YZF600 i've seen cedric post about this on a couple of occasions. the only thing i've concluded from his story is that his friend has a sore arse. i mean really....to require a bike to be garaged or secured to an immovable object precludes it from being ridden. are we to assume that a bike-jacking would not be covered by this so-called insurance policy? how about a theft from the local gas station while paying for gas? i'd love to see the language relied upon by the insurance company when it denied the claim. there are so many doctrines in the field of insurance law that would protect the consumer in this instance that i find this incredible... e.g., what about the argument that a principal is bound by the representations (correct or not) of its agents? perhaps attempt to base an argument on the reasonable expectations of the policyholder? was an attorney assisting this poor soul with this matter? (i hope not....because there's no such thing as an idiot attorney ;) it sounds to me like he fell victim to one of the oldest insurance industry tricks in the book: at first deny any and all claims so as to weed out the people who just roll over and give up the butt -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 16:20:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UKKw800131 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.9f.a1c28a7 (4329) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:20:44 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9f.a1c28a7.26dec69b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:20:43 EDT Subject: Re: Ducati Monster To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 In a message dated 8/30/00 3:57:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, George.Cole@XXXXXX writes: > Save your money and buy a Suzuki SV-650, stock its as fast as a Monster 900 > and with the money you save over the 750 (about 2K) you can buy a exhaust > system and a jet kit, a full leather suit and more. Uh... not to start a "mine is bigger" war, but... anyone who would like to see how fast a Ducati 900 is as compared to an SV650... please let me know :) I raced a SuperSport SV (~73hp) in the WERA 6-hour at VIR, and I have a Ducati 900ss at home (same motor used in the Monster 900). The Duc has a LOT more power... I never pulled the front end off the ground on the SV exiting a turn at VIR... I've done it accidentally on the street on my 900, and it weighs about 50lbs more than the SV! Acceleration on the Duc will suck your eyeballs back into your head... no such luck on the SV. 62lbs of torque (stock) is a monster... pun intended. As for the 750... also a good motor. Not quite as much punch as the 900, but comparable ot the SV ... except in the styling department, where it runs away :D. And... you can find yours in a parking lot. Oh wait...that's VFRs ::duck:: _ Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 16:30:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UKU8800355 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7UKU0430231 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:30:00 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: insurance explanation needed Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:29:56 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c012c1$100c3f00$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <0CF057718479D111AEFA00A0C989933006E3407E@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I'm not quite sure, but one insurer refused to cover my CBR because I didn't have a pole or other device to chain it to. My housing association folks refused to let me put a plug into the ground so I park it between the front of the car and the curb to make it that much more difficult to get to. Cedric I can see the problem with the garage (i guess I better check my policy), but how will they know if your bike was actually secured to an immovable object when its gone? Carsten '97 YZF600 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 16:32:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7UKWw800377 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000830203251.18525.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.229] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:32:51 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:32:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: insurance explanation needed To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Cedric Bernescut wrote: > Your explanation sounds about right to me. One thing I > learned the hard way > at the hands of Progressive is that damage to your bike > from another vehicle > counts as collision. If you don't have it and have a hit > and run, you are > screwed. I erroneously thought that comprehensive > covered this (as in > vandalism) because that is the way the agent explained it > to me. I made the > mistake of trusting the agent and got hosed. cedric, you never cease to amaze me with these silly, depressing insurance stories....this is the classic case to which the 'uninsured motor vehicle' coverage is applicable. mine costs $13 per year. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 16:37:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UKbM800482 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id y.66.7051a76 (4329); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:37:02 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <66.7051a76.26deca6e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:37:02 EDT Subject: Re: insurance explanation needed To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 In a message dated 8/30/00 4:33:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bernescut@XXXXXX writes: > My housing association folks > refused to let me put a plug into the ground so I park it between the front > of the car and the curb to make it that much more difficult to get to. Chain it to the car :) It's what I did before I put down a bolt-down kit at my old apartments. Just don't chain it to something *removable* on the car. Front axle worked for me. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 16:43:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UKhI800653 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 6.de.955cef5 (4324); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:43:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:42:59 EDT Subject: Re: police anger To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 In a message dated 8/30/00 11:21:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: << I swear, DMV regulations are specifically designed (eg. the mandatory 30day waiting period before you can even try to get a full license) to run countrary to any kind of sanity and deliberately allow the state to levy fines. It's fscking horse sh*t if you ask me. Sorry, rant over. >> Don't apologize. You've got the moral high ground here. Vote against the party in power. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 16:48:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UKmg800738 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:48:17 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8896@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: NBA Player on a Road Rocket! Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:38:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Spurs' Walker Arrested for Speeding COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - San Antonio Spurs forward Samaki Walker was arrested Wednesday for driving a motorcycle more than 100 mph on a highway. Walker, 24, was spotted at 2:29 a.m. going more than 80 mph southbound on state Route 315, police Sgt. Earl Smith said. Officer Phillip Thomas said Walker didn't stop when signaled to pull over and accelerated, going up to 100 mph. Walker left the highway and pulled over after a helicopter put a spotlight on him, Smith said. Walker was charged with reckless operation, fleeing an officer and driving with an expired license. He posted bond after being taken to the Franklin County Jail. Walker is a former basketball star at Whitehall High School near Columbus, and played at Louisville. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 16:52:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flash.niaid.nih.gov (flash.niaid.nih.gov [128.231.136.26]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UKqP800829 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by flash.niaid.nih.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:52:20 -0400 Message-ID: <0CF057718479D111AEFA00A0C989933006E3407F@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> From: Carsten Watzl To: "'Tom Gimer'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: insurance explanation needed Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:52:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Tom Gimer > cedric, you never cease to amaze me with these silly, > depressing insurance stories....this is the classic case to > which the 'uninsured motor vehicle' coverage is applicable. > mine costs $13 per year. > Lucky you! Mine costs $180/year!! Carsten From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 16:57:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UKvc800932 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7UKvU431296 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:57:30 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: insurance explanation needed Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:57:26 -0400 Message-ID: <001701c012c4$e7989380$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000830203251.18525.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 That's one angle I did not pursue and to be honest, I don't know what the decision would be, and quite possibly your answer would have worked for me. In the end it turned out to be moot because the Farfax County police officer on the case found the suspect and got them to confess. The perp's insurance paid off on the bike. My mistake was not understanding the types of coverages in advance and trusting the drone at Progressive. I am a more educated consumer now. Cedric cedric, you never cease to amaze me with these silly, depressing insurance stories....this is the classic case to which the 'uninsured motor vehicle' coverage is applicable. mine costs $13 per year. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 17:00:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UL0D801050 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7UL05431380 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:00:06 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: insurance explanation needed Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:00:01 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c012c5$44266c80$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <66.7051a76.26deca6e@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sometimes I can be a bit forgetful and would possibly find myself with a very expensive snowplow implement :0 Cedric Chain it to the car :) It's what I did before I put down a bolt-down kit at my old apartments. Just don't chain it to something *removable* on the car. Front axle worked for me. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 17:01:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UL1F801068 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-211-235.s235.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.211.235] helo=palladio) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13UEyu-0005Wo-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:01:12 -0400 Message-ID: <02a901c012c5$7f3dfcc0$9fd73ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <39AD66AD.F4072AC5@patriot.net> Subject: Re: police anger Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:00:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Bill, one of your fellow instructors told us last year that "supervision" could mean the licensed rider sitting at home with his feet up drinking a beer and the "student" out riding on a prescribed route under the "direction" of the supervisor. For some reason the bureaucrats and lawmakers can't seem to bend their minds around the fact that there is simply no equivalent on a motorcycle of a licensed driver sitting next to the permit holder, as there is in a car. They should do away with the supervision requirement because it is worthless, vague and even potentially dangerous, if one interprets it to mean that a newbie can somehow receive instruction from a licensed rider (via hand signals, wireless communicators, or even worse, two-up) while both are on the highway. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Re: police anger > Apprently, the DMV had a brain fart when penning the m/c learners permit rules. A holder of asn MSF compltion card use to be able to get an M endorsemnet and ride. ... > > The fellow licensed rider bit was never clearly outlined and leaves a lot of room for interpretaation/misundersatnding at the enforcement level. Just another statute written by bozos with absolutly NO clue. Various m/c lobby groups are working their arses off to get this mess squared away. > > Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 17:03:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bc.com [204.99.250.45] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7UL35801086 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:59:30 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:58:37 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Ducati Monster Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7UL38801087 OK fine.. I stand corrected.. My info was based on hearsay from pro SV people. I have never had the opportunity to ride a Duc yet, so I cant compare. The SV was a really fun ride though, and the SV is a bargain for the money spent. Of course I sold mine after 2200 miles to buy a VFR, what do I know? I do miss the power delivery of a twin sometimes. And my SV would pull the front off the ground all the time, sometimes accidently. Cheers, George >>> 08/30/00 04:20PM >>> In a message dated 8/30/00 3:57:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, George.Cole@XXXXXX writes: > Save your money and buy a Suzuki SV-650, stock its as fast as a Monster 900 > and with the money you save over the 750 (about 2K) you can buy a exhaust > system and a jet kit, a full leather suit and more. Uh... not to start a "mine is bigger" war, but... anyone who would like to see how fast a Ducati 900 is as compared to an SV650... please let me know :) I raced a SuperSport SV (~73hp) in the WERA 6-hour at VIR, and I have a Ducati 900ss at home (same motor used in the Monster 900). The Duc has a LOT more power... I never pulled the front end off the ground on the SV exiting a turn at VIR... I've done it accidentally on the street on my 900, and it weighs about 50lbs more than the SV! Acceleration on the Duc will suck your eyeballs back into your head... no such luck on the SV. 62lbs of torque (stock) is a monster... pun intended. As for the 750... also a good motor. Not quite as much punch as the 900, but comparable ot the SV ... except in the styling department, where it runs away :D. And... you can find yours in a parking lot. Oh wait...that's VFRs ::duck:: _ Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 17:06:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flash.niaid.nih.gov (flash.niaid.nih.gov [128.231.136.26]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UL6d801213 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by flash.niaid.nih.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:06:32 -0400 Message-ID: <0CF057718479D111AEFA00A0C989933006E34080@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> From: Carsten Watzl To: "'Mark Kitchell'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: NBA Player on a Road Rocket! Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:06:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Mark Kitchell > Subject: NBA Player on a Road Rocket! > > Officer Phillip Thomas said Walker didn't stop when signaled to pull over > and accelerated, going up to 100 mph. Walker left the highway and pulled > over after a helicopter put a spotlight on him, > STUPID!! Why would you not stop! They may have your plate # anyway! Trying to run at >100 mph either gets you killed or a higher charge when caught. Carsten From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 17:14:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ULET801352 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id p.6f.9e11ef0 (4329); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:14:13 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6f.9e11ef0.26ded324@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:14:12 EDT Subject: Re: Ducati Monster To: George.Cole@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 In a message dated 8/30/00 5:03:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, George.Cole@XXXXXX writes: > My info was based on hearsay from pro SV people. I have never had the > opportunity to ride a Duc yet, so I cant compare. The SV was a really fun > ride though, and the SV is a bargain for the money spent. Of course I sold > mine after 2200 miles to buy a VFR, what do I know? Oh - absolutly, nothing bad to be said about the SV - it's a great bike, and incredibly easy to ride fast (in race trim). For the money, I think it's one of THE best bargains out there right now. I think that buying a Ducati is definatly done with the heart though, not the brain. You fall in love with them for whatever reason and then it's alllllll over :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 17:22:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7ULM7801505 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000830212201.20848.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.204] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:22:01 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:22:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: insurance explanation needed To: Carsten Watzl Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Carsten Watzl wrote: > > > ---------- > > From: Tom Gimer > > cedric, you never cease to amaze me with these silly, > > depressing insurance stories....this is the classic > > case to which the 'uninsured motor vehicle' coverage is > > applicable. mine costs $13 per year. > > > > Lucky you! Mine costs $180/year!! carsten, i'm very sorry to hear that the dirtballs in the insurance industry has ravaged your backside too! i'd get down to the clinic. state farm is the shiznit! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 17:22:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ULMa801524 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:20:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: CWatzl@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: NBA Player on a Road Rocket! Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:20:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > ---------- > From: Mark Kitchell > Subject: NBA Player on a Road Rocket! > > Officer Phillip Thomas said Walker didn't stop when signaled to pull over > and accelerated, going up to 100 mph. Walker left the highway and pulled > over after a helicopter put a spotlight on him, > STUPID!! Why would you not stop! They may have your plate # anyway! Trying to run at >100 mph either gets you killed or a higher charge when caught. Not to mention that 80 mph isn't too bad an infraction if the speed limit is 65, and 100 mph is hardly fast enough to evade anyone. What was he riding, a Harley? Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 17:48:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7ULmQ801984 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000830214819.25013.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.204] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:48:19 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:48:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Ducati Monster To: Judy La Follette , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Judy La Follette wrote: > My first valve job was around $600. The second valve job > was close to a $1,000, including a 12,000 mile service. i hope you're kidding here..... > I got the second valve job done at Battley Cycles, who I > feel never did the 12,000 mile service at all. but i know you're being serious here! i bought my 996 from battley and the service department has produced one disappointment after another for me. while i do enjoy receiving an improperly assembled bike or being told to wait 3 weeks for an appointment to have my INITIAL service, after i pick up my warranty-replacement rotor from them on thursday (which took ONE MONTH to arrive), i intend to never go back.....unless it's to go postal > However, to be fair to Battley . . . > . I called Ducati, and they indicated that they did not > have a lot of complaints about Battley. they'll be getting three or four from me after i add them up > I also spoke > with the Service Manager at Battley (after a few > months--that is how long it took me to be able to speak > calmly and professionally with them), and he said he > could not really explain the problems, but still felt > that his shop was a good one. their service manager is a shithead. he's got a cute little explanation for why everything they touch turns to shit. and i've bitched enough that i don't even want the group of idiots he 'supervises' touching my bike out of fear they'd fuck with it just to have the last word. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 18:41:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@[209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UMfM802910 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-173.patriot.net [209.249.180.173]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7UMdsg01240; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:39:54 -0400 Message-ID: <39AD8B20.688B4A10@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:30:56 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX CC: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: police anger References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree. Republican Jimbo Gilmore has his empty head squarely planted up his ass. This after suffering with vacu-head Geo Allen. BTW - I also sympathize with y`all MDers who live with "chinless" Glendenning. Bill Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > > Don't apologize. You've got the moral high ground here. Vote against the > party in power. > > Bill Gawthrop > Maryland > > "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the > death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 18:48:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net ([209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UMmG803075 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-173.patriot.net [209.249.180.173]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7UMjJg01956; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:45:19 -0400 Message-ID: <39AD8C65.94CD056B@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:36:21 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Paul A. Wilson" CC: dc cycles Subject: Re: police anger References: <39AD66AD.F4072AC5@patriot.net> <02a901c012c5$7f3dfcc0$9fd73ad0@palladio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul A. Wilson wrote: > Bill, one of your fellow instructors told us last year that "supervision" > could mean the licensed rider sitting at home with his feet up drinking a > beer and the "student" out riding on a prescribed route under the > "direction" of the supervisor. > That, in fact, was what a Maryland State trooper told my pal when he inquired about "supervision". So far no one in general power has defined "supervision", which leaves it up the boys in blue. If stopped, pray that his woman made him happy lasy night :-) Or conversly, pray that her man took her the moon and back. > > For some reason the bureaucrats and lawmakers can't seem to bend their minds > around the fact that there is simply no equivalent on a motorcycle of a > licensed driver sitting next to the permit holder, as there is in a car. > They should do away with the supervision requirement because it is > worthless, vague and even potentially dangerous, if one interprets it to > mean that a newbie can somehow receive instruction from a licensed rider > (via hand signals, wireless communicators, or even worse, two-up) while both > are on the highway. > > Paul A. Wilson > Washington DC > 1991 CB750 > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Huson > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: police anger > > > Apprently, the DMV had a brain fart when penning the m/c learners permit > rules. A holder of asn MSF compltion card use to be able to get an M > endorsemnet and ride. ... > > > > The fellow licensed rider bit was never clearly outlined and leaves a lot > of room for interpretaation/misundersatnding at the enforcement level. Just > another statute written by bozos with absolutly NO clue. Various m/c lobby > groups are working their arses off to get this mess squared away. > > > > Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 18:48:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UMmk803087 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-173.patriot.net [209.249.180.173]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7UMmeg02387; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:48:40 -0400 Message-ID: <39AD8D2D.3916BC1C@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:39:41 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX CC: CWatzl@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NBA Player on a Road Rocket! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > > ---------- > > From: Mark Kitchell > > Subject: NBA Player on a Road Rocket! > > > > Officer Phillip Thomas said Walker didn't stop when signaled to pull over > > and accelerated, going up to 100 mph. Walker left the highway and pulled > > over after a helicopter put a spotlight on him, > > > STUPID!! > Why would you not stop! They may have your plate # anyway! Trying to > run at >100 mph either gets you killed or a higher charge when caught. > > Not to mention that 80 mph isn't too bad an infraction if the speed limit is > 65, and 100 mph is hardly fast enough to evade anyone. What was he riding, > a Harley? A Harley "road rocket" ??? Well, a Buell maybe, biut they can haul tail. My areodynamically dirty and under-huffed bagger *might* crack 100 - with one helluva a tailwind. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 18:52:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UMqo803200 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-173.patriot.net [209.249.180.173]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7UMqig02889; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:52:44 -0400 Message-ID: <39AD8E22.9DFA584@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:43:46 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Carsten Watzl , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: insurance explanation needed References: <20000830212201.20848.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > > carsten, i'm very sorry to hear that the dirtballs in the > insurance industry has ravaged your backside too! i'd get > down to the clinic. > > state farm is the shiznit! > Really? I have State Farm - not the cheapest I'm sure, but eassy to deal with. $360/yr, full everything and replacement value if the scoot goes missing or totalled. Replacement = value when I signed on. It doesn't account for H-D *appreciation* har har har Just perpetuating the myth. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 18:53:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from herndon6.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UMrZ803214 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by herndon6.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24637 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (max1h-31.his.com [216.32.85.31]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA27409 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000830185111.0123659c@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:53:18 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: insurance explanation needed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:15 AM 8/30/00 -0700, Matthew Patton wrote: >bodily injury and property damage: when in an accident with another party (as apposed to an innanimate object) pays the OTHER parties claims to bodily injury and property damage, ie. medical bills, law suits, and repairing their vehicle. This applies when *I* am the one culpable for the accident. You almost got it right. BI & PD liability coverage also apply to innanimate objects, and loss of use. For example, you wack a telephone pole & take down the power grid, some dude's meat freeze thaws out & he looses $1,500.00 of meat. A woman's dialosis machine fails & she looses a leg. You owe PEPCO for the pole (innanimate object) and the $1,500 in meat under your liability PD coverage. The injury to the woman. BI is for hurt people, pain & suffering, lost wages etc. Regarding fault it depends on the jurisdiction; Comparative, Modified Comparative, or Contributory. MD, VA and DC are all contributory negligence jurisdictions, therefore you MUST be 100% at fault for the other party to collect under YOUR liability coverage in these states. >Un/underinsured: when the OTHER person is the liable party and they don't have (enough) coverage to satisfy MY claim against them for both bodily and property damage. Or if the company that insures the vehicle deny's coverage. Say for example you sign a waiver to not allow your spouse (who has 15 DWI's on their driving record) use your car. You sign this waiver to reduce your premium from $10,000 per year to $350. One sunny day your wife gets in the car and while sober backs into Joe's car, causing his head to explode. Your company is going to deny covage for the damage to the car (PD)& the injured driver (BI). Joe's insurance company will pay for both under his UM PD & BI coverage because at the moment your wife hit his car you were technically "uninsured." >Comprehensive: acts of nature cause damage to my bike, fire/theft/flood etc. Vandalism is also comp. Note on deer hit comp vs coll; If you hit the deer it is comp. If you swerve to miss the deer & run off the road & flip the car it is coll. Always hit the deer if you are in a car & have the choice. >Collision - pays ME for damage I inflicted on myself or property because I'm the one liable for the accident. Only for the vehicle listed on the dec sheet or to a "newly aquired" vehicle (see you policy for details) and ONLY for damage to the vehicle itself. If you hit your house your auto policy does not pay for the damage, your homeowners does. Also, your diamond ring in the glove box of your car is not covered. The $15,000 car stereo may or may not be covered, depending on the company. >Is this correct? What kind of coverage do you guys carry? On the bike I carry the minum limits required by law, but then again I only ride about 200 miles on public roads per year. Stephen Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 19:02:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from herndon6.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UN2Y803465 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by herndon6.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24943 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (max1h-31.his.com [216.32.85.31]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29697 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000830190131.012454fc@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:02:17 -0700 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Stephen Harris Subject: RE: insurance explanation needed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:08 PM 8/30/00 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >it sounds to me like he fell victim to one of the oldest >insurance industry tricks in the book: at first deny any >and all claims so as to weed out the people who just roll >over and give up the butt > Excellent example of a urban myth right up there with the surplus rocket motor in the '63 impalla or the cat buried in the lawn story. If insurance companies had a policy like this a attorney with a correspondance course law degree could sucessfully win the case. The sad reality is most people have a uninformed & expectation as to what coverage their policy provides them. When they get outside the coverage area & have a hard time understanding it they blame the big bad insurance company. Beleive me, insurance companies have no such policy. Stephen harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 19:22:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UNMi803864 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-184-206.s206.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.184.206] helo=l4rite) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13UHBe-0002tF-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:22:31 -0400 Message-ID: <09cd01c012d9$194f3b40$0385a4d8@l4rite> From: "L4rite" Cc: References: Subject: Re: NBA Player on a Road Rocket! Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:21:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: RE: NBA Player on a Road Rocket! Why is it that everytime you hear about someone famous getting busted or pulled over for traffic violations they always have an expired/revoked/suspended license.....? don't they have "people" to take care of that sort of thing for them.....later Les From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 19:57:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7UNvM804505 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7UNvF405107 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:57:15 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: NBA Player on a Road Rocket! Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:57:11 -0400 Message-ID: <002601c012de$03bafe40$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 What was he riding, a Harley? Bests, Erik If so he might have been cited for double-dribbling :0 Cedric From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 20:02:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7V02d804605 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08266; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:55:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: Tom Gimer cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: insurance explanation needed In-Reply-To: <20000830200832.21071.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > e.g., what about the argument that a principal is bound by > the representations (correct or not) of its agents? > perhaps attempt to base an argument on the reasonable > expectations of the policyholder? Just an example, but since I was dealing with the DMV-VA, all bets are off on it making sense. (As I posted, many moons ago): I bought my 1990 Virago 535, did the paperwork, got it insured with Allstate Indemnity. Already had car and renter's insurance, might as well go for the the multi-policy discount. They billed me monthly (since my youthful offenses of speeding, I was paying just shy of the cost of insuring a new Jag in Manhattan). Got the nice bill, paid it, etc. Something like 6-8 months later I get a letter from DMV saying "You're not insured on this vehicle, kindly lay down $500 for uninsured motorist fees." Upon doing research, I see I was only paying for the 1988 crappy Honda Accord.[1] For whatever reason, my agent was invoicing it separately and I never got the bill for the bike. So I explain to DMV, they set up a hearing, etc. I get a letter from my bank about mail delivery issues that had been happening at that time (we had a slacker mailman), one from my NEW Allstate agent, stating that my old agent was remiss in his duties (I only got one bill, no reminders, no calls telling me insurance had lapsed, etc...) In the end, DMV said "Hey, your agent was wrong, but you should have looked at your bill and seen that you weren't being charged for the bike, so your fault. Say hellow to SR-22". Now I have direct withdrawal from my bank account to make sure I'm in compliance. I had a lawyer look at it, and the net result is that yeah, I should have paid more attention, so it'd be cost prohibitive to appeal it. But I've lived in the Commonwealth for 12 years, so I'm used to being screwed by it. Shannon [1] At the time, my insurance was being renewed so when the price hiked up, marginally, I assumed it was just a regular "let's stick it to 'em" price hike. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 22:04:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7V24q806599 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-24.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.88]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17619; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39ADE85B.1EA4DEFE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:08:43 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson CC: eschelzig@XXXXXX, CWatzl@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NBA Player on a Road Rocket! References: <39AD8D2D.3916BC1C@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And going downhill! %^) Bill Huson wrote: > > A Harley "road rocket" ??? Well, a Buell maybe, biut they can haul tail. My > areodynamically dirty and under-huffed bagger *might* crack 100 - with one > helluva a tailwind. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 22:13:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7V2Dk806777 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-33.patriot.net [209.249.180.33]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7V2DYg24320; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:13:34 -0400 Message-ID: <39ADBD33.EDD911D8@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:04:35 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Charles V. Pena" CC: eschelzig@XXXXXX, CWatzl@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NBA Player on a Road Rocket! References: <39AD8D2D.3916BC1C@patriot.net> <39ADE85B.1EA4DEFE@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nah, hills don't seem to bother two and a half tons of torque. One of the Harley accessorys is a three-point hitch for a field plow. It's almost as good as my 4WD for pulling stumps. Bill Charles V. Pena wrote: > And going downhill! %^) > > Bill Huson wrote: > > > > A Harley "road rocket" ??? Well, a Buell maybe, biut they can haul tail. My > > areodynamically dirty and under-huffed bagger *might* crack 100 - with one > > helluva a tailwind. > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 22:53:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7V2ro807404 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.86.57.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.86.57]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA28920; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "George Cole" , , Cc: Subject: Testes, Big Pipes, and other fun stuff!! Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:44:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c012f5$68fa5e60$3956f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 George its not about you personally (which is why I didn't put your name out there), your email just happened to be right there to serve as (IMHO) an example of that preachy, finger-wagging type of rider. You don't have to defend yourself to me. Change of subject: To all V-twin riders, I just put a full M4 system on my superhawk this past weekend and love them!! They make an amazing sound and give a huge boost to performance. All pieces were flawless out of the box, and fit perfectly to install. I'd recommend them to anyone. Finally, I've been talking to some people about a trip to Deal's Gap next weekend. http://www.dealsgap.com/ Shoot me an email if you're interested! Matt -----Original Message----- From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 3:21 PM To: vtrman@XXXXXX; daniel_ex250@XXXXXX; lgranato@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: See ya. Hey Matt, I hope you have your flame suit on, are you sensitive or what? I guess you don't understand my dry sense of humor, I was just making conversation. Yes, I am the guy sans testicles as you see it. My somewhat confusing point was that I grew out of the need to do stunts all the time to enjoy motorcycling. Do I still wheelie? sure, and believe me its not as easy on a VFR. I never said I didn't respect other riders with different styles. I certainly didn't cut down on anyone. Some of the riders out there (IMHO) ride stupidly and are going to get hurt and give all of us who ride a bad name with the public and the police. I respect anyone that has the guts or balls ( sorry ladies ) to even ride a motorcycle. I wave at every motorcyclist I see ( yes even the beanie heads on Harleys) So chill out, dude. In fact you are welcome to my neighborhood to ride wheelies, stoppies and do burnouts anytime. I enjoy watching them too. The horse isn't dead yet. George " lost my testicles in the war" Cole >>> "Big Matty" 08/28/00 10:39PM >>> Hey Laura Here's a clip from an email I hadn't gotten to deleting yet: "I have never been jealous of riders who can do wheelies, stoppies or burnouts, in fact when I first started riding that's what I lived for, but that was in 1982, I was 18 and still in High School. I would like to think I am little more mature now." Do you think this person fits the description in your sentence above? I sure don't. And yes, I know with this many people on the list there will be all types, and my observation certainly did not apply to all people - just the ones I got sick of having to sift through. Could someone please remind this guy that there are those of us with testicle still attached to our bodies please??? (I'm including, in a figurative manner, females in that) I mean, I'm trying really hard to learn to do wheelies - they're fun to do and to watch. Do I practice in traffic between stop lights? Hell no. On a back road with no one around for miles? Hell yes! Does this make me immature? Hardly. And yes, when conditions are right I'm a baller. Do I weave through lanes of moving traffic? No. Do I sneak between lanes of cars lined up stopped for a light, that will take me 20 minutes to get through otherwise? Maybe on occasion. Do i haul ass on secluded back roads within reason? you betcha. So like I said I'll check back in here & there, maybe announce a ride, etc. and all the "immature" people like me can come along if they want; but you won't hear me cut down those that don't. Unless I know you, then you're fair game. :) Anyway, sorry to beat a dead horse so I'll stop now. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Laura Granato [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 3:45 PM To: vtrman@XXXXXX; daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: See ya. Matt: I was hoping that this got to you. I don't think any of us want anyone to leave the list, but to each his own. We all have different riding styles and don't always agree with each other on certain issues, but we all agree on one thing...we love to ride.We all understand that we all don't ride the same, and we respect that about each other. I know that when the boys are doing a ride, if I don't organize a slow ride, I won't be going. It's not that I disagree with how they ride, I just realize they ride out of my comfort level and I don't want to get myself in trouble. I wish that I better understood what you weren't happy with. It will suck not to have you on the list, but ride safe no matter what you do. LAG ----- Original Message ----- From: Big Matty To: LAURA GRANATO ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 10:26 AM Subject: RE: See ya. > The negative tone I referred to has to do with how people on this list seem > to have real contempt for people that don't ride the same way they do, not > about people disagreeing with each other and even arguing. I know its a > fine line but I'm not going to write an essay on it. I was (pleasantly) > surprised by the people that replied (on & off list before my unsub took > effect) in support or at least appreciation of what I had to say - didn't > want to sign off without saying thanks. True that there is a LOT of good > discussion & info to be shared, but it really takes some time to do all that > sorting, so I'm gonna take a lil' break maybe check back in in a few months > to see what everyone's winter projects are. (BTW I only got this email b/c > Laura hit reply to all which sent it to me directly.) > > As i said hope to see some of you guys very soon on rides. Feel free to > contact me, I ride all the time and will probably contact you too. > > PS. The state of OH must hate motorcyclists. No helmet law, and they make > liberal use of gravel on their backroads, especially at the curves! My > report: ~600 miles, less than I wanted due to rain & losing a day to get a > tire replaced, however every single mile was a twistie backroad mile. No > accidents or mishaps. 1 ticket for 66 in a 55. Oh, well. > > Cheers. > Matt > > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 10:25 AM > To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: See ya. > > > but the overall "tone" of the list is just a bit too > negative for me. Its kinda like a group of people that just want to talk > > Yes, we all talk, but a lot of us often ride together too. not sure, have > you ever been on a ride with us? I've only been on a couple, but I've been > to most of the bike nights, and it's been a blast. If you think about it in > the right way, DC-Cycles is more like an extended family. Sometimes we > fight, sometimes disagree, sometimes love each other and have fun. With > this many people, we can't expect that we'd all have the same opinions. > > > > > Some of you get more > > |>fun out of judging others than you do from riding. > > Is it really judging others, or do people just have different view points? > That's how I see it, but maybe someone will disagree with me...actually, > probably. > > :-) > Laura Granato > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 23:03:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7V334807612 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000831030257.19494.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.174] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:02:57 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:02:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: police anger To: Bill Huson Cc: dc cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > > Paul A. Wilson wrote: > > > Bill, one of your fellow instructors told us last year > > that "supervision" could mean the licensed rider sitting > > at home with his feet up drinking a > > beer and the "student" out riding on a prescribed route > > under the "direction" of the supervisor. > > > > That, in fact, was what a Maryland State trooper told my > pal when he inquired about "supervision". So far no one > in general power has defined "supervision", > which leaves it up the boys in blue. nope....the boys in black will have to handle that one blue=enforcement; black=interpretation -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 23:03:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7V33s807629 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.8f.54d5 (9623) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:03:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8f.54d5.26df250f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:03:43 EDT Subject: Nelsons Ledges BRAD/Bryan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Brad, Your bigfoot account doesn't work anymore and Jess gave me you hotmail account but I don't know if it is a good address. Are we on for Ledges? What's Leonard up to? Double points and I have permission to go. If truck is a problem will even go with the LandCruiser with three bikes on the trailer. Will take a while but what the hell. Bryan, what are you doing??? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 23:12:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7V3CD807811 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000831031204.20765.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.174] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:12:04 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:12:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: insurance explanation needed To: Tansey Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tansey wrote: > On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > e.g., what about the argument that a principal is bound > > by the representations (correct or not) of its agents? > > perhaps attempt to base an argument on the reasonable > > expectations of the policyholder? > > Just an example, but since I was dealing with the DMV-VA, > all bets are off > on it making sense. (As I posted, many moons ago): > > I bought my 1990 Virago 535, did the paperwork, got it > insured with > Allstate Indemnity. Already had car and renter's > insurance, might as well > go for the the multi-policy discount. > > They billed me monthly (since my youthful offenses of > speeding, I was > paying just shy of the cost of insuring a new Jag in > Manhattan). Got the > nice bill, paid it, etc. > > Something like 6-8 months later I get a letter from DMV > saying "You're not > insured on this vehicle, kindly lay down $500 for > uninsured motorist > fees." not to get too far off topic....but you should have attempted to work with the insurance company for a retroactive effective date (you would simply need to sign an agreement that no property damage occurred during the 'uninsured' period) and then the MVA would have no basis for a fine that helps about NONE right now, though....so sorry about the trouble -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 30 23:27:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7V3RE808094 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000831032707.8798.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.174] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:27:07 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:27:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: insurance explanation needed To: Stephen Harris , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Stephen Harris wrote: > At 01:08 PM 8/30/00 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > >it sounds to me like he fell victim to one of the oldest > >insurance industry tricks in the book: at first deny any > >and all claims so as to weed out the people who just > >roll over and give up the butt > > > > Excellent example of a urban myth right up there with > the surplus rocket motor in the '63 impalla or the cat > buried in the lawn story. > > If insurance companies had a policy like this a attorney > with a correspondance course law degree could sucessfully > win the case. i take it you believe that the only insurance companies in the world are the likes of GEICO, Allstate and Progressive. The earth is crawling with small insurance companies that would like nothing better to do than collect premiums and cut zero settlement checks. I sit on my arse all day and do nothing but legal research on how to avoid giving policyholders coverage.....it ain't in the automobile insurance field, but the same groud rules apply > The sad > reality is most people have a uninformed & expectation as > to what coverage > their policy provides them. When they get outside the > coverage area & have > a hard time understanding it they blame the big bad > insurance company. which i suppose you believe is doing its best to help the consumer secure every check it deserves? > Beleive me, insurance companies have no such policy. maybe yours doesn't....but the books are filled with those that have tried. notice i did say it was an OLD trick....but denying a legitimate claim occurs more often than you would have us believe -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 01:22:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7V5MJ809985 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.a9.a7da878 (4329); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:22:10 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:22:10 EDT Subject: Re: Nelsons Ledges BRAD/Bryan To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 8/30/00 11:04:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Boiade@XXXXXX writes: > Bryan, what are you doing??? I've won both my championships (leading both by over 40 points), so I don't have to go to Nelson. I'm going to work on the bikes on Sat (the 125 sucked in a reed I think), and I have tickets for the Redskins season opener on Sun (Thanks Mark!). Sorry I won't be joining you all... I thought about it long and hard as it's the last WERA mid-atlantic event, but I really can't justify risking my equipment at that place "just for fun" :( I'll be hitting the Summit Point and VIR CCS rounds to get the bikes set up for the WERA grand nationals. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 07:21:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3104.mail.yahoo.com (web3104.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.189]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7VBLX816982 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000831112126.25781.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3104.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 04:21:26 PDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 04:21:26 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: police anger To: Tom Gimer , Bill Huson Cc: dc cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > That, in fact, was what a Maryland State trooper told my > > pal when he inquired about "supervision". So far no one > > in general power has defined "supervision", > > which leaves it up the boys in blue. actually when I got my license two years ago the little handbook they give you in MD states that supervision is either, someone on the bike with you, someone following you on another bike, or someone in a car. in each case the person "supervising" has to have a MC license and held it for three years. they may have changed it since then though. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 07:37:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e24.nc.us.ibm.com (e24.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7VBbr817245 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e24.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA32374 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:40:01 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.93) with SMTP id HAA29788 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:37:49 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525694C.003FDD89 ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:37:34 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525694C.003FDBEF.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:37:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Ducati Monster Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline theglobe wrote... >> Any other gotha's? and then theroach wrote... >Moto Europa in Richmond is worth the trip if you're looking to buy a Ducati. >Locally, you have Coleman Powersport (Or whatever that place is calling >itself these days) which I can't see anyone wanting to deal with, and Batley >cycles. Winchester (formerly "Indian") Motosports deals Ducs too. A friend of mine got the proverbial screamin' deal on his 750 Monster Dark. Great bike. I want one too. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '58 / '65 Triton "kit" http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 08:23:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7VCNQ817959 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14629 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:23:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:23:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: insurance explanation needed In-Reply-To: <20000831032707.8798.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > i take it you believe that the only insurance companies in > the world are the likes of GEICO, Allstate and Progressive. > The earth is crawling with small insurance companies that > would like nothing better to do than collect premiums and > cut zero settlement checks. I sit on my arse all day and > do nothing but legal research on how to avoid giving > policyholders coverage.....it ain't in the automobile > insurance field, but the same groud rules apply Just went through this with Aetna after a bicycling injury to my knees. The Ortopod sent in all the right forms and they bounced it, saying not enough documentation. They paid it only after I assured them about 6 ways that this was an accident and hadn't occured at work... and then paid it at a "network negotiated" rate and, of course, only paid a percentage of it. I'm not sure I actually saved any money between what I'd already paid in premiums, what I had to pay at the end, and the time and energy I put into getting it sorted out. Insurance companies don't exist to help people -- they exist to make money for their shareholders and execs. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 08:42:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7VCgf818279 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-96-44.s267.tnt3.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.96.44] helo=erols.com) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13UTfx-0005hQ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:42:38 -0400 Message-ID: <39AE52A6.5331FABD@erols.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:42:14 -0400 From: Tim & Kathy Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Virginia Motorcycle Learners Permit (was Re: police anger) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Paul A. Wilson" wrote: (snippage) >... I agree that the supervision requirement is > idiotic and laughable from a training perspective. And then Bill Huson replied: > Apprently, the DMV had a brain fart when penning the m/c learners permit rules. A holder of asn MSF compltion card use to be able to get an > M endorsemnet and ride. Now thye get a learners and have to back in 30 days. Needless to say, us MSF insructors were agast. The DMV > promised a *fix* but said it might take a few months. Translation, don't hold your breath. > The fellow licensed rider bit was never clearly outlined and leaves a lot of room for interpretaation/misundersatnding at the enforcement > level. Just another statute written by bozos with absolutly NO clue. Various m/c lobby groups are working their arses off to get this mess > squared away. My son, Justin, was one of the first riders in Virginia to get a motorcycle learner's permit. He got it on the first weekday after his 15th birthday on last September 19th. (He took the MRC:RSS and passed easily after learning to ride on an XR100 in the cul-de-sac in front of our house while I drilled him in various MRC:RSS exercises and variants.) For the past 11 months, he has been riding on that learner's permit on his 1988 Honda Hawk 650GT, which he purchased with money saved working as a VRTP Range Aide out at Loudoun campus of NVCC. It has been a wonderful 11 months. I have had the opportunity to lead him, demonstrating proper riding techniques and monitoring his progress in my mirrors. I have been able to point out gravel, potholes, animal carcasses, oil slicks, antifreeze spills, and other hazards *before* he arrives at them. I have been able to give him coaching at stop signs. stop lights, gas stops, and soda breaks. He has ridden with Robert Lee and George Vensko, two fellow MSF Instructors and roadracers. He has ridden with George and I down to Germanna Community College to Range Aide for us during MRC:RSS classes there. As his skills and confidence improved, I began following him. I would watch his lane positioning, his following distance, his decisions regarding lane cushioning approaching intersections, his signaling and communicating with other road users, and his ability to warn *me* about some hazard that he saw up ahead. Afterwards we have had debriefing sessions in which we've discussed various situations, his reactions to them (both good and bad) and alternative responses. In some cases, I've passed him, signaled, and we've pulled over to go over a particularly hazardous situation or a truly boneheaded decision. I've watched my son mature more as a rider (and car driver, too - we are constantly analyzing traffic situations from a motorcyclist's perspective when he's driving the car) in the past year than I did in the first eight years that I rode a motorcycle untrained and on my own. Prior to the implementation of the motorcycle learner's permit in Virginia on 1 July 1999, a new rider would have to wait until he or she was 16 years old to get a motorcycle permit, and then it would be a full license to ride alone. In my son's case, we would have had to delay this valuable training period for a full year, and I would have had to restrict my son's riding by parental authority (something I'm not shy about doing, but which is more of a point of friction than simply telling him "the law says you must have someone riding with you".) I'm one MSF Instructor who is foursquare in favor of the learner's permit, and the restrictions associated with it. In terms of new, adult riders, a learner's permit isn't even required if they've completed the MRC:RSS. The DMV did *not* change the state law; they just have a computer foul-up that is making even MSF Completion Certificate holders wait 30 days before receiving their full M/C license. That's typical of the Virginia DMV of the past; though not representative of the giant strides they've made in efficiency and services over the past 2-3 years. Hopefully they'll get it cleared up shortly. FWIW, MSF cardholders who have already held a learner's permit for 30 days are not having any trouble getting an immediate, full M/C endorsement when they present their completion card. And BTW, the motorcycle learner's permit rules were not written by "bozos with absolutely NO clue." They were written based on relentless lobbying by Bruce Biondo, head of the Virginia Rider Training Program in Richmond. Did he get everything he wanted when he started his quest? No. Did he gain a valuable benefit for new riders in Virginia? In my opinion, yes, he did. Lobby if you will for reducing or eliminating the restrictions for ADULT riders on learner's permits, but let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Let's keep the learner's permit, let's keep it available to riders 15 years old, let's keep the restrictions for riders under age 18 (they're the ones that are most at risk on motorcycles to begin with) and let's keep the provision for a full motorcycle license only *AFTER* MSF completion *OR* learner's permit and successful passing of the DMV riding test. Tim Morrow (PS Now, Justin, George, and I are leavign for Roebling Road in Savannah for a weekend of road racing and male bonding rituals. Ya'll have a nice weekend, hear?) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 08:50:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7VCo1818428 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-242.patriot.net [209.249.180.242]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7VCnlg04652; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:49:47 -0400 Message-ID: <39AE524E.D1A664E6@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:40:46 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Brown CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: insurance explanation needed References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan Brown wrote: > Just went through this with Aetna after a bicycling injury to my knees. > The Ortopod sent in all the right forms and they bounced it, saying not > enough documentation. They paid it only after I assured them about 6 ways > that this was an accident and hadn't occured at work... and then paid it > at a "network negotiated" rate and, of course, only paid a percentage of > it. I'm not sure I actually saved any money between what I'd already paid > in premiums, what I had to pay at the end, and the time and energy I put > into getting it sorted out. > > Insurance companies don't exist to help people -- they exist to make money > for their shareholders and execs. > Some do, that's fer sure. Right now I'm with Kaiser Permente and they blow goats. KP was fined a mil in California for letting a woman croak while waiting for approval from her primary care physician, who probably didn't speak English. But other med insurance carriers have been okay. Shame Milady's workplace decided to save a few bucks on their end and go with KP. Bastards. My ne M/C accident was covered well. I reported to my company but told them to stand aside until I squeezed the other guys insurer, since it was his fault - failure to yield. The geezer was insured by USAA and they damn near fell over themselves trying to make me happy, thinking big-ass lawsuit I'm sure. They paid the entire tab for fixing the bike - 7K, but we did do a bit of dancing on the personal injury stuff. Never take the first offer. We settled - wasn't like winning the lottery but I thought it was fair. I still have a few aches and pains but the bike is pristine. I'd give USAA a good rating. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 08:53:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fin-out.finnegan.com (firewall-user@XXXXXX [38.241.51.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7VCrT818471 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fin-out.finnegan.com; id IAA11763; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(192.68.20.4) by fin-out.finnegan.com via smap (4.1) id xma011250; Thu, 31 Aug 00 08:52:24 -0400 Received: from FHFGD-Message_Server by netmail.finnegan.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:51:43 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.3 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:51:19 -0400 From: "Judy La Follette" To: , Subject: Re: Ducati Monster Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7VCra818472 Ok, I am trying to do this snipping thing, etc., but find that I need to leave some of my first information in to let others know what I am talking about. In other words, I am having a problem doing this. I usually just respond with the reply on top, and the original on the bottom. So, I am placing my reply in bold (watch the bold not come across on people's computers). I am trying . . . work with me. >>> Tom Gimer 08/30/00 05:48PM >>> --- Judy La Follette wrote: > My first valve job was around $600. The second valve job > was close to a $1,000, including a 12,000 mile service. i hope you're kidding here..... No, unfortunately that was the price. Maybe it was one of those things, that they see a lady walk in and figure I would not know any better. I thought that it was expensive, but knew that I could not do it myself. > I got the second valve job done at Battley Cycles, who I > feel never did the 12,000 mile service at all. but i know you're being serious here! i bought my 996 from battley and the service department has produced one disappointment after another for me. while i do enjoy receiving an improperly assembled bike or being told to wait 3 weeks for an appointment to have my INITIAL service, after i pick up my warranty-replacement rotor from them on thursday (which took ONE MONTH to arrive), i intend to never go back.....unless it's to go postal Isn't it nice how the dealership really want to WORK with you. They just say oh well, we will have to order that for you. They cannot dare take a part off a bike they still have in the box waiting to be put together, and then when the new part arrives put it on the new bike. They have your money for the bike, so they are not worried about your time. I even was told (not sure if true) that places do not like to fool with warranty work, because the factory pays them a set rate. If it is not warranty, they can fiddle with the hours of labor, etc. and make more money. > However, to be fair to Battley . . . > . I called Ducati, and they indicated that they did not > have a lot of complaints about Battley. they'll be getting three or four from me after i add them up I have had a few people tell me they were going to call with complaints. So, they may have a different opinion of Battley by now. > I also spoke > with the Service Manager at Battley (after a few > months--that is how long it took me to be able to speak > calmly and professionally with them), and he said he > could not really explain the problems, but still felt > that his shop was a good one. their service manager is a shithead. he's got a cute little explanation for why everything they touch turns to shit. and i've bitched enough that i don't even want the group of idiots he 'supervises' touching my bike out of fear they'd fuck with it just to have the last word. I know what you mean. They said they would change my oil for free, since they could not explain the one and a half quarts short of oil. I told them that I would come by and pick up the oil and filter, and have someone else change it for me. I felt that if they knew that I was unhappy, they may do something to my bike and I would have problems later. That might be nasty, but that was the feeling that I got from them--they had more of a defensive attitude, than the attitude as we want to keep you as a customer, lets work something out. Sorry for the bold font, I am going to have to do better next time. I feel like I am shouting at people. Judy From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 09:23:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7VDNp818972 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21361 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2000 13:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.36.153.179) by flashmail.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2000 13:24:42 -0000 Message-ID: <39AE5C51.6486E144@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:23:29 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson CC: Gawthrop@XXXXXX, pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: police anger References: <39AD8B20.688B4A10@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Huson wrote: > > I agree. Republican Jimbo Gilmore has his empty head squarely planted up his > ass. At least he's making good on his promise to phase out the personal property tax. About all I can say positive about him. Hork -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 09:41:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7VDfN819380 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:38:51 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: insurance explanation needed Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:49:12 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 It may not be 100% relevant to motorcycle insurance, but my healthcare insurance company has rejected EVERY claim over $500 I've ever made. Same with almost everyone in my office. I have to believe that there is a policy to reject the first submission, it happens without fail. I'm still trying to resolve the birth of my son, he will be a year old soon. F***ers claimed I owe $5K to the hospital (they were going to pay $43). I have a benefits explanation from before his birth, from the insurance company, showing that I would owe $500 total (which I've already paid). I spent hours on the phone before the birth making sure that all the doctors and hospital stuff were on the plan. Every month my wife and I spend about 4-5 hrs. dealing with them and they agree to pay another few hundred dollars. I think we are down to about $2300 now. I have to admit that her gynie f'ed up all the paperwork, but that was taken care of within the first month. I fax them the same damn paperwork every month and they agree to pay slightly more. > Beleive me, insurance companies have no such policy. maybe yours doesn't.....but denying a legitimate claim occurs more often than you would have us believe -- tg I'm with tg on this one, I 100% believe they have a policy to reject claims. On the other hand, USAA is excellent. They paid for a radar detector that was stolen out of my car! Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 09:43:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7VDhT819531 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-213-235.s616.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.213.235] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13UUce-0003sK-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:43:16 -0400 Message-ID: <009801c01351$73ef1160$ebd53ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <39AE52A6.5331FABD@erols.com> Subject: Re: Virginia Motorcycle Learners Permit (was Re: police anger) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:42:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Your points are well taken and I'm glad your son is having a very good experience under supervision, but that is mainly because of the effort you have put into it, not because of the regulations themselves. My primary objection is that no one (riders, cops, VRTP instructors, DMV 'crats) seems to have a definitive and consistent answer as to what it means in practice, especially for riders over 18. Ask ten people what supervision is and you'll get ten different answers. Also, we're talking about Virginia here. Don't even get me started on the mc regs in America's Last Colony. First off, just try to lay your hands on a DC motorcycle operator's handbook. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim & Kathy Morrow > > I'm one MSF Instructor who is foursquare in favor of the learner's > permit, and the restrictions associated with it. In terms of new, adult > riders, a learner's permit isn't even required if they've completed the > MRC:RSS. The DMV did *not* change the state law; they just have a > computer foul-up that is making even MSF Completion Certificate holders > wait 30 days before receiving their full M/C license. That's typical of > the Virginia DMV of the past; though not representative of the giant > strides they've made in efficiency and services over the past 2-3 years. > Hopefully they'll get it cleared up shortly. FWIW, MSF cardholders who > have already held a learner's permit for 30 days are not having any > trouble getting an immediate, full M/C endorsement when they present > their completion card. > > And BTW, the motorcycle learner's permit rules were not written by > "bozos with absolutely NO clue." They were written based on relentless > lobbying by Bruce Biondo, head of the Virginia Rider Training Program in > Richmond. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 09:44:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7VDii819541 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id IAA08645 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:44:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id IAA08641 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:44:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA03849 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000831094428.00a13870@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:46:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: This Rain Sucks In-Reply-To: <39AE5C51.6486E144@flashmail.com> References: <39AD8B20.688B4A10@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It's supposed to be more of the same all weekend. : ( Oh, and I know I can ride in the rain. I have no problem with that at all. It's just not as fun in the rain dealing with all the BDCs. Anyone have a sun dance they can recommend? ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 10:03:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from herndon6.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7VE3k819966 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by herndon6.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23899 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (max1h-11.his.com [216.32.85.11]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24400 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000831100327.012437a4@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:03:32 -0700 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Stephen Harris Subject: RE: insurance explanation needed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" At 08:27 PM 8/30/00 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >i take it you believe that the only insurance companies in >the world are the likes of GEICO, Allstate and Progressive. > The earth is crawling with small insurance companies that >would like nothing better to do than collect premiums and >cut zero settlement checks. I sit on my arse all day and >do nothing but legal research on how to avoid giving >policyholders coverage.....it ain't in the automobile >insurance field, but the same groud rules apply I've worked in the P&C claims field for 10 years with 4 different companies, some of them large (Progressive) and some of them small (AVEMCO). In my business dealing I have interacted with scores of other large & small companies during subrogation discovery. In all these companies have yet to find any indication of a formal deep dark plot as a standard operating proceedure for what you originally alluded to; denying claims as a proceedure to eliminate those who will not sue. Now if you are going to complain that insurance companies are interested in making money, you might as well complain the Honda wants to have higher profits on the bikes it sells. Insurance is a ligitmate business, and legally making money at it is just as ligitmate business goal as building a better mouse trap. >which i suppose you believe is doing its best to help the >consumer secure every check it deserves? Depends on the adjuster. There are poor doctors, poor contractors, poor gas station attendants. Just because some are lazy or do not do a good job that does not invalidate the hard work of the rest of us. I take pride in my job and am a little fed up with cronic insurance bashing on the part of folks who don't take the time to read their policies & understand what is and what is not covered. >maybe yours doesn't....but the books are filled with those >that have tried. notice i did say it was an OLD >trick....but denying a legitimate claim occurs more often >than you would have us believe However compelling it may be to want to blame some evil business for one's problems, this is not true. There are so many attorneys out there who make a ligitmate living looking for this type of thing. In my considerable experience this doesn't happen. Does this mean it has never happened? No. It means in my very broad 10 year experience it has never happened. YMMV. Stephen Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 10:03:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7VE3r819976 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-242.patriot.net [209.249.180.242]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7VE3kg16485; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:03:46 -0400 Message-ID: <39AE63A5.DB54A90E@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:54:45 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim & Kathy Morrow CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Virginia Motorcycle Learners Permit (was Re: police anger) References: <39AE52A6.5331FABD@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please let me clarify that I am NOT in favor of caning the learners. I know Jason and I've watched him ride during breaks from range aide duty while I was yelling SLOW - LOOK - LEAN - ROLL. He is a perfect example that teaching them yoiung works. As my pappy use to say, trying to teach a 16 yr old how do to do anything is ludicrious. They allready *know* everything at 16 :-) A learners at 15 is cool. I'm still fuming over the recent wave of age restrictions on boats. Not being able to operate a boat until 16 would have killed my childhood - probably would have become a juvinile deliquent without my boat to play with. Under supervision of sorts, I was on the water at age 11. My son began racing outboards at age 14, and we start kids as young as 9 in Junior racing classes. It's no surprise to me that theses kids usually do much better in school and when it comes time to get behind the wheel or mount a bike, they are sensible drivers. At an age when they are very receptive to learning, they've learned that stupid stuff hurts. My beef with VA is the glitch you mentioned RE the MSf cardholders. As for bozos, I know that much input was given to the folks who write the rules, but any beauracracy is subject to the bozo factor. The slip betwixt the cup and the lips, so to speak. But as you mentioned, the learners is progress and I'm sure our lobby reps are working thier buns off to fine tune the process. On the local level I'll keep badgering folks who want to ride to take the course. Bill > > My son, Justin, was one of the first riders in Virginia to get a > motorcycle learner's permit. He got it on the first weekday after his > 15th birthday on last September 19th. (He took the MRC:RSS and passed > easily after learning to ride on an XR100 in the cul-de-sac in front of > our house while I drilled him in various MRC:RSS exercises and > variants.) For the past 11 months, he has been riding on that learner's > permit on his 1988 Honda Hawk 650GT, which he purchased with money saved > working as a VRTP Range Aide out at Loudoun campus of NVCC. It has been > a wonderful 11 months. I have had the opportunity to lead him, > demonstrating proper riding techniques and monitoring his progress in my > mirrors. I have been able to point out gravel, potholes, animal > carcasses, oil slicks, antifreeze spills, and other hazards *before* he > arrives at them. I have been able to give him coaching at stop signs. > stop lights, gas stops, and soda breaks. He has ridden with Robert Lee > and George Vensko, two fellow MSF Instructors and roadracers. He has > ridden with George and I down to Germanna Community College to Range > Aide for us during MRC:RSS classes there. As his skills and confidence > improved, I began following him. I would watch his lane positioning, his > following distance, his decisions regarding lane cushioning approaching > intersections, his signaling and communicating with other road users, > and his ability to warn *me* about some hazard that he saw up ahead. > Afterwards we have had debriefing sessions in which we've discussed > various situations, his reactions to them (both good and bad) and > alternative responses. In some cases, I've passed him, signaled, and > we've pulled over to go over a particularly hazardous situation or a > truly boneheaded decision. I've watched my son mature more as a rider > (and car driver, too - we are constantly analyzing traffic situations > from a motorcyclist's perspective when he's driving the car) in the past > year than I did in the first eight years that I rode a motorcycle > untrained and on my own. > > Prior to the implementation of the motorcycle learner's permit in > Virginia on 1 July 1999, a new rider would have to wait until he or she > was 16 years old to get a motorcycle permit, and then it would be a full > license to ride alone. In my son's case, we would have had to delay this > valuable training period for a full year, and I would have had to > restrict my son's riding by parental authority (something I'm not shy > about doing, but which is more of a point of friction than simply > telling him "the law says you must have someone riding with you".) > > I'm one MSF Instructor who is foursquare in favor of the learner's > permit, and the restrictions associated with it. In terms of new, adult > riders, a learner's permit isn't even required if they've completed the > MRC:RSS. The DMV did *not* change the state law; they just have a > computer foul-up that is making even MSF Completion Certificate holders > wait 30 days before receiving their full M/C license. That's typical of > the Virginia DMV of the past; though not representative of the giant > strides they've made in efficiency and services over the past 2-3 years. > Hopefully they'll get it cleared up shortly. FWIW, MSF cardholders who > have already held a learner's permit for 30 days are not having any > trouble getting an immediate, full M/C endorsement when they present > their completion card. > > And BTW, the motorcycle learner's permit rules were not written by > "bozos with absolutely NO clue." They were written based on relentless > lobbying by Bruce Biondo, head of the Virginia Rider Training Program in > Richmond. Did he get everything he wanted when he started his quest? No. > Did he gain a valuable benefit for new riders in Virginia? In my > opinion, yes, he did. Lobby if you will for reducing or eliminating the > restrictions for ADULT riders on learner's permits, but let's not throw > out the baby with the bathwater. Let's keep the learner's permit, let's > keep it available to riders 15 years old, let's keep the restrictions > for riders under age 18 (they're the ones that are most at risk on > motorcycles to begin with) and let's keep the provision for a full > motorcycle license only *AFTER* MSF completion *OR* learner's permit and > successful passing of the DMV riding test. > > Tim Morrow > > (PS Now, Justin, George, and I are leavign for Roebling Road in Savannah > for a weekend of road racing and male bonding rituals. Ya'll have a nice > weekend, hear?) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 10:05:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7VE5n820063 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-211-128.s128.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.211.128] helo=palladio) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13UUyQ-0004e3-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:05:47 -0400 Message-ID: <00e601c01354$99208600$ebd53ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <39AD8B20.688B4A10@patriot.net> <4.1.20000831094428.00a13870@intertv.com> Subject: Re: This Rain Sucks Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:05:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Unfortunately we're still under the latest in a series of stationary low pressure systems on the coast that have been sending the "on shore flow" of clouds and rain to our area all summer. Fortunately, weather patterns usually start to shift this time of year with the onset of longer and cooler nights and with changes in the jet stream. The mountain west is finally getting some rain, so maybe our weather will change too. In this area you definitely have to get over fears about riding in the rain, or you'll be one frustrated pup. I haven't curtailed my activities too much, although I like to wrap up my weekend rides by mid afternoon to avoid the thunderstorms that tend to boil up late in the day. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeannette Zell To: Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 9:46 AM Subject: This Rain Sucks > It's supposed to be more of the same all weekend. : ( > Oh, and I know I can ride in the rain. I have no problem with that at all. > It's just not as fun in the rain dealing with all the BDCs. > Anyone have a sun dance they can recommend? ; ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 10:07:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7VE73820098 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000831140653.12076.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.174] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:06:53 PDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:06:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: insurance explanation needed To: Bill Huson , Dan Brown Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > > Dan Brown wrote: > > Insurance companies don't exist to help people -- they > > exist to make money for their shareholders and execs. > > > > Some do, that's fer sure. > They paid the entire tab for fixing the bike - 7K, but we > did do a bit of > dancing on the personal injury stuff. Never take the > first offer. We > settled - wasn't like winning the lottery but I thought > it was fair. I still > have a few aches and pains but the bike is pristine. I'd > give USAA a good rating. never take the FIRST offer? please....never take the THIRD offer.....they keep going up, you know. i accepted a settlement in after a geriatric knocked me off my RR in '95 because my attorney said 'that's as high as they're gonna go'. i wish i had held out for more or even gone to trial....it wasn't enough for me to be still having to deal with the pain. insurance companies end up paying more on defense costs than settlements when most cases get past the discovery stage. they don't want to go to trial, that's for sure. IMO the later the settlement, the better. we'll see after i start practicing law in maryland in (hopefully) november. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 10:10:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7VEAb820192 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA1709858 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39AE6722.58B60AD1@radix.net> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:09:38 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: police anger References: <39AD8B20.688B4A10@patriot.net> <39AE5C51.6486E144@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, he did advocate raising some of the speed limits in HOV lanes to 65 on 'Ask the governor' on WTOP... Dale Horstman wrote: > > Bill Huson wrote: > > > > I agree. Republican Jimbo Gilmore has his empty head squarely planted up his > > ass. > > At least he's making good on his promise to phase out the personal > property tax. About all I can say positive about him. > > Hork > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 10:13:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7VEDF820283 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-242.patriot.net [209.249.180.242]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7VE6Jg16901; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:06:20 -0400 Message-ID: <39AE643E.8D00BB75@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:57:18 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Gawthrop@XXXXXX, pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: police anger References: <39AD8B20.688B4A10@patriot.net> <39AE5C51.6486E144@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > Bill Huson wrote: > > > > I agree. Republican Jimbo Gilmore has his empty head squarely planted up his > > ass. > > At least he's making good on his promise to phase out the personal > property tax. About all I can say positive about him. > > Hork > Yes - too bad he had to freeze spending on higher education order to pay the tax for us. That was a move that will come back to bite os on the butt in a few years. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 31 10:13:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from herndon6.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7VEDF820282 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by herndon6.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24525 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:13:0