From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 02:00:31 2000 From: "David VFR Thompson" To: Cc: Subject: Re:New England Trip Advice? Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:32:36 -0400 First, Check out the North American Sportbike Road Registry http://www.execpc.com/~ytk/ There's lot's of roads "rider rated" roads in each State. Also, The VFR list has run the WDGAH ride out of Lake George for the past 3 years & I happen to have a detailed ride map that loops through the Adirondacks & Vermont to catch some of the great roads in the area, many of them are listed on the website above. If you're interested, E-mail me off list & I'll send the maps David "RoutemeiSTer" Thompson http://home.rochester.rr.com/backroads/ Rochester NY AMA# 504560 STOC# 840 Current STable 90 Suzuki DR350S 91 Honda ST1100 94 Honda VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 07:20:19 2000 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: JReazor@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 07:20:06 -0400 Subject: RE: Brand New Zoo James wrote... >DC Cycles-ers, > I'm happy to report that I took delivery of my first bike in >many years today. I ordered a Suzuki SV650 form cyclecity1.com >about a week ago and it was delivered this afternoon as promised. >The bike was hauled out here from Erie PA. Too weird. Too slick for Erie (population = one third the number of people that stand on the DC Mall during 4th of July fireworks). My wife will never believe this. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '58 / '65 Triton "kit" http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 07:43:37 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 04:43:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: New England Trip Advice? (was Important Question) To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Actually the highest point on the east coast is probably Mt. Mitchell in North Carolina reaching 6,684 feet above sea level (which has seen snow in August before). Mount Washington is 6,288 feet above sea level. Glenn --- MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > Lessee now - Vermont Route 9 (across the southern > part of the state) is a > nice ride. Climbing Mt. Washington (highest point on > the eastern seaboard) is pretty much de rigeur - the ranger at the base will __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 07:49:00 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 04:48:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket To: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Matt, that really sux about your friend. The thing that really sux is he told the cop what might have happened. With that the cop gave him the Reckless ticket. Same thing happened to my father about four years ago. Lesson he learned is to remember in a situation like this is to keep your mouth shut as the cop has no evidence of what happened. When you admit you went to wide, fell asleep, went to fast, etc the cop has all he needs to write the ticket. The thing that really sux is they don't even have to tell you your rights an they are "investigating" the accident at the time. Have him get a lawyer. My friend took care of the nine on the list and I think they are happy with his work. If you want his number drop me an e-mail. Glenn --- Big Matty wrote: > This past saturday I rode with a friend out to > Thornton's gap (skyline) and > we had a blast. We tore it up on the rode between > The Plains and Middleburg, along Route 647, and Rte. 55 along __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 07:56:19 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 04:55:59 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket To: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Since this list seems to have some people fairly knowledgeable about > reckless driving tickets, I'd like to pose a question: Will this ticket > hold up in court do you think? Obviously the cop did not witness a > thing, > neither did the people. There are no skid marks or anything else that > could > possibly indicate speed. He told the cop (apparently) that he was going > along, looked back over his shoulder (for me) as he was getting near the > end > of that straightway, and then the curve was there before he realized it. this seems really odd to me. I got into an accident in VA along I-66 over a year ago when I was first starting to ride before I could get into any of the MSF courses. anyway I wasn't doing much if any over the speed limit and the cars infront of me started slowing down. well me in my *great* wisdom hit the rear break too hard and locked it up causing me to go sliding down the road. after being taken to the hospital a cop comes by and asks what happened and I told him. he basically told me that it was a single car accident that he wouldn't write a ticket because it wouldn't hold up in court. I'd say fight it since he has no proof of what really happened so he can't say that he was doing anything wrong. lots of things can go wrong even without speeding. even if he was half mile in the woods all he'd have to say is I was trying to keep the bike up. Cops got no proof so he should be able to get off. plus the only person he hurt was himself. that's just my .02 cents Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 08:11:40 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:11:29 -0400 From: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket bryan main wrote: > > He told the cop (apparently) that he was going along, > looked back over his shoulder (for me) as he was getting near the > end of that straightway, and then the curve was there before he realized it. > > > I'd say fight it since he has no proof of what really happened so he can't > say that he was doing anything wrong. Unfortunately, yes he does. see the snipped section above. Whatever you tell the cop at an accident investigation is a statement that can be entered into evidence in court... while an admission of guilt isn't admissible as evidence in Court, that's not Traffic Court... Where the Constitution means nothing. > lots of things can go wrong even without speeding. And for that, they have the catch all 'failure to control vehicle'. > even if he was half mile in the woods all he'd have to > say is I was trying to keep the bike up. Exercise your right to remain silent, or lie - 'a deer jumped out in front of me. I avoided it'. That isn't ticketable, generally speaking. Talk to a lawyer... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 08:13:23 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:05:15 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New England Trip Advice? (was Important Question) True. And Mt Mitchell is easy access from the BR pkwy, great scoot ride. Bill Glenn Dysart wrote: > Actually the highest point on the east coast is > probably Mt. Mitchell in North Carolina reaching 6,684 > feet above sea level (which has seen snow in August > before). Mount Washington is 6,288 feet above sea > level. > > Glenn > > --- MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > Lessee now - Vermont Route 9 (across the southern > > part of the state) is a > > nice ride. Climbing Mt. Washington (highest point on > > the eastern seaboard) is > pretty much de rigeur - the ranger at the base > will > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 08:25:42 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:25:24 EDT Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket To: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX A ticket for being in a one vehicle accident... sheez... I should tell my son to be more careful on his tricycle (he falls over all the time - wearing a helmet of course). Incredible... but then again, this did happen in Virginia - No? Not to make you feel worse - but this is yet another example of why it pays to ride with friends in a group! Your friend was in no condition to be signing a ticket; and once a ticket is written - well then one gets "processed" (not the word I wanted to use - but P.C.). There should be a biker advocacy group in Virginia to handle stuff like this - free lawyers, etc. Hey any lawyers out there want to donate a little time? I should have followed my dreams of being a lawyer... I would take a case like this for no charge. //Sixy//97 Green and Cream//Valkyrie Tourer From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 08:33:50 2000 From: Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:28:46 -0400 Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket To: bryan main Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Yeah, this sucks, especially in a single vehicle accident. The guy has injuries, likely hospital bills and a wrecked bike. Can't that be enough of a lesson without the cops piling on with a reckless ticket? Perhaps they think he'll now feel more served and protected ... --chris To: vtrman@XXXXXX dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket Cops got no proof so he should be able to get off. plus the only person he hurt was himself. that's just my .02 cents Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 08:36:50 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'vtrman@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 05:34:44 -0700 Matt, My thoughts below... Perry >-----Original Message----- >From: Big Matty [mailto:vtrman@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 9:25 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: An accident, a ticket > >[snip]He basically woke up that night while in the MRI machine, and didn't remember anything after >meeting >me at 11 that morning. >[snip[He told the cop (apparently) that he was going along, looked back over his shoulder (for me) as >he was getting near the end of that straightway, and then the curve was there before he realized it. Since he was suffering from a head injury at the time, I have a feeling that any statement he made to the cop can be thrown out. Make sure to have an appropriate medical evaluation showing that he had a mild concussion, or whatever. That should make the lawyer's job a lot easier. [snip] >BTW, I can just see all the law-abiding, speed-limit-doing, overweight/overslow bike riding, members >of the list just itching to shoot off discussion & commentary about how us crazy sportbike riders deserve >to die for the crime of endangering ourselves. Well, here's to hoping for CONSTRUCTIVE responses >(i.e. those that will actually help the situation as it currently stands.) You might want to check the attitude at the door. Remember, to become old and wise, one must first survive being young and stupid... From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:10:20 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 06:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION!! On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > What the hell is the big lesbo fad all about? It just > don't make sense to me that it's OK for a woman to be > a diver but tabboo for a man to go around buggering > the world. > > Somebody please clear air, so to speak, and clue me > in. > Two for the price of one. Get em now while they're hot. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:22:26 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Chuck Pena Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 16:28:05 GMT |>ultimate price for his (not the police's) actions. Unless and until |>somebody can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that what the police in |>this case was wrong, the only person who should be charged and/or sued |>is the guy who was driving the m/c. How long did the chase last? Would it be reasonable and foresable that the bike would crash if the officer kept up a persuit, only for what he knew to be speeding violation at the time? It's funny, in other areas if a car is driving wild and erratic through heavy traffic a police force will call off the persuit for the safety of innocent people.. but what keeps the passenger from being considered innocent and endangered by the officer? merely because he assumed "they were together and equally guilty"? So an officer continues to persue fleeing suspect, knowing it could very well kill the innocent passenger.. on what started out as a speeding violation. I hope a hell of a lawyer sues the hell out of VA state police! why? because high speed persuits are DANGEROUS to officers and innocent citizens. I believe in a no chase policy unless a voilent felony has been commited. I will agree with popular oppinion that the rider is an imbecile, who was bound to set himself up as a darwin nominee. The passenger may very well be the award winner. Did the passenger NOT know the bike was stolen? did the passenger NOT know the operator would evade, and still got on? Did teh passenger NOT know there were drugs involved? Even if the passenger is guilty of all those things, that still does not excuse VA state police from contributing to the high speed chase which left the person dead. The police have no right to endanger anyone's life (even if guilty) merely in the name of doing their job. Hell the rider and passenger may have a history of riding together, but never had any problems until they were involved in this high speed persuit. Dangerous Life threatening High speed persuits for non volient crimes is just bad policy that results in people dying. It needs to be changed. Or do we need to see someone "a little more innocent" to die first? As if no innocent people have ever died from high speed persuits for non volient crimes. and let's not forget.. sometimes when these bikes smoke the cops on the open road, the cops see a second innocent bike and assume it's the same bike, and put that rider through all the B.S. of being guitly. I'm not here to say police are assholes (ok some are).. but I actually have a growing respect for them. A lot of them are riders, and are decent people.. I'm here to say high speed chases shoudln't be occuring without a GOOD reason. I would not count speeding as one of them. Nor most things non voilent. Most crimes warrants can be issued, and the suspects can only avoid the police for so long. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:33:18 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , "bryan main" Cc: , Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:32:12 -0700 It's likely that the cop felt that it was a convenient time to get another reckless conviction onto his record for his next salary or quota review. This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman. They get rewarded for this sort of behavior, so who can really be suprised? We gasp in disbelief at stories of corrupt police forces in third world countries, but at least their corruption isn't hidden by hypocritical morality lectures and fake sincerity. Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000 "Proudly Hating Cops Since 1969" -----Original Message----- From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX "Can't that be enough of a lesson without the cops piling on with a reckless ticket? Perhaps they think he'll now feel more served and protected ..." From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:35:40 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:35:25 EDT Subject: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX After chatting with Laura last evening I have reconfirmed I want another bike. Life is short, and there are a lot of folks with two bikes, right? Help me rationalize this - PLEASE. Requirements 1. I want a "Rev-happy" engine 2. I don't want children on 600(s) passing me :) (that's a joke, by the way...) 3. I don't want to have to visit a chiropractor (sp?) before and after each ride (my body is old) 4. I want a bike that is '"happy" at speed (see number one). 5. I don't want to have to trade the bike in after a year cause someone got something better (I know that's a tall order). Talk to me, people :) Observations so far Thought about the VFR - but wanted a little more displacement. Thought about the Super Hawk - but will two really do - will big fours blow by me on the open road? Thought about the 1100XX - but my favorite dealer is out of them (I don't want to wait.. should I wait?) Thought about R1 - but my 39 year old body is very abused and the ERGO(s) hurt Thought about the 929 - not sure about the ERGO(s) My dealer has in stock a Super Hawk and a 929 - talk to me folks.. I need help here... //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:37:01 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 16:42:42 GMT On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:40:15 -0400, you wrote: |>Somebody wrote: |> |>> > I'm not saying that the cops should have done nothing, they absolutely should, |>> > but not run the guy down like the 'wild west'... |> |>Personally, if you are running from the cops, and they can catch up to you, |>I'm all for them running you down like a animal. As in road-pizza. |>As in they'll need a spatula to dig you back up off the asphalt. Runners |>are playing a very dangerous game on public roads, and should be dealt |>with as a severe threat to society. |> |>Harsh? Yes. Necessary? Maybe. Do you really want the stressed out, ex-high school jock, bulley with inflated ego, pumped up on adrenalin jerk wth state immunity/backing to be the one playing judge and executioner? Today he beats down the squid darwin candidate, tomorrow you accidently do 35 in a park road that's marked 15, and he cracks open your forehead cuz you said "come on man, it's nto that big a deal". hell let's just fire the legislative & judicial branches, and enjoy a police state. That will be fun won't it? Daniel I call dibs on being the dictator. call me royal hiney-ness king daniel, i want to make the laws. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:40:57 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: HGerm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 16:46:39 GMT |>Oh c'mon, you have *no* desire for the scum who stole your scoot to be |>caught and sent to jail? None at all? |> |>They used to hang horse theives. That's a law I wish we still had on the |>books. I didn't know you loved horses so much.. I dare not ask in what ways Daniel :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:46:54 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 09:45:58 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > The police have no right to endanger > anyone's life (even if guilty) merely in the name of doing their job. Bullshit. Police put their lives on the line every day to "Serve and Protect" our lame asses, and what do we do? Put the handcuffs on the cops, limiting what they can and can't do. I applaud the actions of the police in this matter. They deserve laurels, not lawsuits, Daniel. Bravo! Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:50:41 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:50:30 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: HGerm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX If you like the VFR but would like more displacement, might I suggest the Triumph Sprint ST? It's got the same 955cc engine from the Triumph Daytona, only retuned for midrange. The seating is upright and comfortable, yet tucked enough for aggressive riding. It can also be out-fitted for sport-touring with color-matched saddlebags, taller windshield, and heated grips. I took a test ride on one at Winchester Motorsports open house back in April and almost considered trading my Guzzi in for it (I love my Guzzi!). Just a suggestion. Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:51:15 2000 Date: 1 Aug 2000 06:50:59 -0700 To: HGerm@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks On Tue, 01 August 2000, HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: I swear I did not convince him to explore the world of sport bikes...lol. :-) Laura > After chatting with Laura last evening I have reconfirmed I want another > bike. Life is short, and there are a lot of folks with two bikes, right? > Help me rationalize this - PLEASE. > Requirements > 1. I want a "Rev-happy" engine > 2. I don't want children on 600(s) passing me :) (that's a joke, by the > way...) > 3. I don't want to have to visit a chiropractor (sp?) before and after each > ride (my body is old) > 4. I want a bike that is '"happy" at speed (see number one). > 5. I don't want to have to trade the bike in after a year cause someone got > something better (I know that's a tall order). > Talk to me, people :) > > Observations so far > Thought about the VFR - but wanted a little more displacement. > Thought about the Super Hawk - but will two really do - will big fours blow > by me on the open road? > Thought about the 1100XX - but my favorite dealer is out of them (I don't > want to wait.. should I wait?) > Thought about R1 - but my 39 year old body is very abused and the ERGO(s) hurt > Thought about the 929 - not sure about the ERGO(s) > > My dealer has in stock a Super Hawk and a 929 - talk to me folks.. I need > help here... //Sixy// ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:52:11 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 16:57:50 GMT On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:34:27 -0400, you wrote: |>I remember one episode of COPS where some guy and his lady passenger |>were running from (sort of) the police on a cruiser. The bike could |>only do 80 or 85 mph, they had 4 or 5 cruisers following at a distance, |>just waiting. Neither rider nor passenger wearing helmets, the lady |>passenger turned around occasionally to flip off the police! |> |>The guy either gave up or ran out of gas, I can't remember. He |>never tried anything evasive, just running down the open highway for |>several miles. Most intensely stupid thing I had seen in a while. That is so intensely stupid it's hilarious. lol. Kind of like the stupid crook who looks into the surveillance camera and shrugs it off and then continues on with his crime. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:52:45 2000 Date: 1 Aug 2000 06:52:31 -0700 To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, ldrbryan@XXXXXX, vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket On Tue, 01 August 2000, "Christopher Weaver" wrote: > > This is why I hate cops and chics in bathing suits on bikes...sorry, Chris...just had to tease you! :-) Laura '98 VTR1000 > "Proudly Hating Cops Since 1969" > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > > "Can't that be enough of a > lesson without the cops piling on with a reckless ticket? Perhaps they > think > he'll now feel more served and protected ..." ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:57:38 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'vtrman@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:48:03 -0400 Well, I think that I may be the expert on this one, as the exact same thing happened to me on Rt 211 last year. I lost it in a turn and got a ticket 20 minutes later from the trooper. The answer is, yes, it will hold up in court even though the cop didn't see it. The police do not have to see every violation they write, otherwise they couldn't ever write post-accident tickets. I need to know what county this happened in to make a good judgement. But I did NOT use a lawyer, but just some common sense. I arrived in a suit and tried to negotiate with the prosecutor. He offered improper driving (3 pts) instead, but believing my legal innocence (the road was wet) I decided to go to court. The judge listened as I both explained the accident and that I am a safe rider (explained all the safety gear, training, etc, so he would have a better impression of me). He was sympathetic and offered to erarse all records of the ticket if I had a clean driving record for 6 months. End of story. Have your friend call me if you want, 703-610-1088. Mark Kitchell > -----Original Message----- > From: Big Matty [SMTP:vtrman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 9:25 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: An accident, a ticket > > This past saturday I rode with a friend out to Thornton's gap (skyline) > and we had a blast. We tore it up on the rode between The Plains and > Middleburg, along Route 647, and Rte. 55 along the way. A blast was had > on the mountain as well as we both made a point to get rid of any clean > areas along the sides of our tires on those nice curvies. > > As we were leaving skyline we stopped at the mobile, gassed up, and said > our "see-ya's", since we were going to split off before we stopped again. > Again we rode up 647, and as he had been faster than me all day he got out > ahead of me and I lost sight. Basically I just continued on and didn't > see him again, figuring he just wanted to ball out the rest of the way > home and not wait for me at intersections, which was no problem for me. > > I come to find out today that he ended up in a ditch and i passed right by > never seeing him, and went about my merry way. Yes, this tortures me, but > at the same time at that right-hander curve I was looking right, and not > into the field on the opposite side of the road. > > Fortunately some people shortly thereafter found him trying to scramble > out of the ditch and get his bike started, realized how hurt he was, and > called the authorities. He basically woke up that night while in the MRI > machine, and didn't remember anything after meeting me at 11 that morning. > > The good news is that he's going to be OK, thanks to his helmet, leathers, > gloves, and sidi boots. The bad news (aside from the injuries he > suffered) is that he got a ticket for reckless driving. Apparently a cop > arrived, got the bike towed, and wrote him a ticket which he signed > although he remembers nothing of what happened. > > Since this list seems to have some people fairly knowledgeable about > reckless driving tickets, I'd like to pose a question: Will this ticket > hold up in court do you think? Obviously the cop did not witness a thing, > neither did the people. There are no skid marks or anything else that > could possibly indicate speed. He told the cop (apparently) that he was > going along, looked back over his shoulder (for me) as he was getting near > the end of that straightway, and then the curve was there before he > realized it. > > Anyway, I told him to get a lawyer when he could, which seems to be the > consensus of people in this situation. > > BTW, I can just see all the law-abiding, speed-limit-doing, > overweight/overslow bike riding, members of the list just itching to > shoot off discussion & commentary about how us crazy sportbike riders > deserve to die for the crime of endangering ourselves. Well, here's to > hoping for CONSTRUCTIVE responses (i.e. those that will actually help the > situation as it currently stands.) > > Thanks. > Matt > > Matt Pflieger > vtrman@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:02:50 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:02:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Rittershausen To: DC Cycles Subject: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) X-WM-FaxTo: Christopher Weaver wrote: "This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman." Ouch. Having recently moved to the area, I'm not familiar with the local dealerships. I'm guessing from this that Colman Powersports isn't held in high regard. Anyone else have any recommendations/warnings? Thanks. Todd Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `80 CX-500C ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:03:01 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Christopher Weaver'" , christopher.meier@XXXXXX, bryan main Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:53:30 -0400 Coe on Chris..........cops write tickets, thats their job. If you want to blame someone, blame the people who write the traffic laws, that being the politicians who are representing us. Cops are told to write tickets. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Weaver [SMTP:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 12:32 PM > To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX; bryan main > Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket > > It's likely that the cop felt that it was a convenient time to get another > reckless conviction onto his record for his next salary or quota review. > This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors > of > society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a > Coleman > Powersports salesman. They get rewarded for this sort of behavior, so who > can really be suprised? We gasp in disbelief at stories of corrupt police > forces in third world countries, but at least their corruption isn't > hidden > by hypocritical morality lectures and fake sincerity. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR1000 > "Proudly Hating Cops Since 1969" > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > > "Can't that be enough of a > lesson without the cops piling on with a reckless ticket? Perhaps they > think > he'll now feel more served and protected ..." From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:05:30 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:04:13 -0700 If you want "rev-happy" then you need a four-cylinder. Period. The twins don't rev as quickly or to as high a redline as fours. Is this what you mean by "rev-happy?" I own a Superhawk, and I can say that it's more fun than a barrel of monkeys. It's a twin though, so it makes its monstrous torque (~70 lb-ft) at the expense of fast revs. It wheelies with no more than twitch of the wrist - one magazine called it the easiest bike on which to learn how to do this, FWIW. It has *plenty* of power and speed to keep up with almost anyone on the road unless you're scraping pegs, exhaust canisters and mirrors on the asphalt. That said, it's a bit of a guzzler - 120 miles to low fuel warning light. As little as 100 if you're really caning it. It's pretty comfortable - I went down to Daytona and back last year and I'm going up to Maine and back in a few weeks with no alterations to the ergonomics. I love my bike, but given your interests, I would suggest the CBR1100xx or a CBR929rr out of your list. If you want to lean more toward backroad peg-scraping, pick the 929. If you want long distance comfort more, then get the xx. What about the ZX9R? That sounds like a good compromise solution unless you're a Honda-only man. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: HGerm@XXXXXX [mailto:HGerm@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:35 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks After chatting with Laura last evening I have reconfirmed I want another bike. Life is short, and there are a lot of folks with two bikes, right? Help me rationalize this - PLEASE. Requirements 1. I want a "Rev-happy" engine 2. I don't want children on 600(s) passing me :) (that's a joke, by the way...) 3. I don't want to have to visit a chiropractor (sp?) before and after each ride (my body is old) 4. I want a bike that is '"happy" at speed (see number one). 5. I don't want to have to trade the bike in after a year cause someone got something better (I know that's a tall order). Talk to me, people :) Observations so far Thought about the VFR - but wanted a little more displacement. Thought about the Super Hawk - but will two really do - will big fours blow by me on the open road? Thought about the 1100XX - but my favorite dealer is out of them (I don't want to wait.. should I wait?) Thought about R1 - but my 39 year old body is very abused and the ERGO(s) hurt Thought about the 929 - not sure about the ERGO(s) My dealer has in stock a Super Hawk and a 929 - talk to me folks.. I need help here... //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:09:52 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 07:09:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION!! To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX profit list can be for the "hunk" photo shoot as well just reverse the men\women. 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Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:12:41 2000 From: Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:06:50 -0400 Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket To: Christopher Weaver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Whew. That's a bit more extreme than I'm willing to go. I believe that the police (as an institution) get a bad wrap in a lot of ways. Some of them are busting their butts in some hellish situations for next to nothing in pay. However, separate out the traffic cops (glorified meter maids) and I am closer to agreeing with your sentiment. Being a police officer in my mind is still a "noble" profession, but as an organization, they seriously need to review their culture and procedural checks and balances. --chris Christopher Weaver on 08/01/2000 12:32:12 PM To: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US@Americas-US bryan main cc: vtrman@XXXXXX dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket It's likely that the cop felt that it was a convenient time to get another reckless conviction onto his record for his next salary or quota review. This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman. They get rewarded for this sort of behavior, so who can really be suprised? We gasp in disbelief at stories of corrupt police forces in third world countries, but at least their corruption isn't hidden by hypocritical morality lectures and fake sincerity. Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000 "Proudly Hating Cops Since 1969" -----Original Message----- From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX "Can't that be enough of a lesson without the cops piling on with a reckless ticket? Perhaps they think he'll now feel more served and protected ..." ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:12:50 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:12:22 EDT Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies To: Horkster@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Horkster: tell us how you really feel :) ... touched a nerve, eh? I think the word that applies is "Balance". Let's not let the discussion lose the fact that there are good cops out there - I've just never met any :) (that's a joke...) I would like to meet a cop one day who stops me for speeding while riding who says, "look dude, I know you're having a good time but slow it down. On behalf of forming better relations between bikers and cops, I am not going to give you a ticket. Just be cool dude..." Am I dreaming :) //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:23:33 2000 From: Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:16:12 -0400 Subject: Re: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) To: Todd Rittershausen Cc: DC Cycles X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Unfortunately, this is not something completely different (I know you're new Todd). We have discussed Coleman Powersports ad nausea on this list. Almost as much as Guns, and reckless tickets. :-) --chris To: DC Cycles cc: Subject: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) Christopher Weaver wrote: "This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman." Ouch. Having recently moved to the area, I'm not familiar with the local dealerships. I'm guessing from this that Colman Powersports isn't held in high regard. Anyone else have any recommendations/warnings? Thanks. Todd ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:23:55 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:23:22 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 10:07:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chris.weaver@XXXXXX writes: If I am going to buy this second bike.. it has to be everything I want it to be! If you want "rev-happy" then you need a four-cylinder. Period. The twins > don't rev as quickly or to as high a redline as fours. Is this what you mean > by "rev-happy?" Let me expand a bit on what I mean when I say "Rev-Happy". I want a bike that wants to go fast... in other words, the faster I push it, the faster is wants to go. Kinda like downshifting a gear at 80 and having the front end rise, shake its head and say.. "whatcha wanna do, big boy" :) Wheeeee.. is the picture clearer ? //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:23:59 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:24:37 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: HGerm@XXXXXX, "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > After chatting with Laura last evening I have reconfirmed I want another > bike. Life is short, and there are a lot of folks with two bikes, right? > Help me rationalize this - PLEASE. > Requirements > 1. I want a "Rev-happy" engine > 2. I don't want children on 600(s) passing me :) (that's a joke, by the > way...) > 3. I don't want to have to visit a chiropractor (sp?) before and after each > ride (my body is old) > 4. I want a bike that is '"happy" at speed (see number one). > 5. I don't want to have to trade the bike in after a year cause someone got > something better (I know that's a tall order). > Talk to me, people :) > http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/sportstreet/fr_gsx1300.htm http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/sportstreet/fs_tl1000s.htm Sixy, You might think about jumping brands, and check these out. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:24:39 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'HGerm@XXXXXX'" , Horkster@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:14:53 -0400 That has happened to me twice. He didn't say the bit about better relations...... You gotta be nice and check the attitude at the last gas station. > -----Original Message----- > From: HGerm@XXXXXX [SMTP:HGerm@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 10:12 AM > To: Horkster@XXXXXX; daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies > > Horkster: tell us how you really feel :) ... touched a nerve, eh? I > think > the word that applies is "Balance". Let's not let the discussion lose the > > fact that there are good cops out there - I've just never met any :) > (that's > a joke...) > > I would like to meet a cop one day who stops me for speeding while riding > who > says, "look dude, I know you're having a good time but slow it down. On > behalf of forming better relations between bikers and cops, I am not going > to > give you a ticket. Just be cool dude..." Am I dreaming :) > > //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:26:35 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Todd Rittershausen" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:24:49 -0700 They're called "PowerRide Motorsports" now, but it's the same bunch of crooked a-holes that were in the place before they changed their name. The ownership has changed, but from some recent reports from friends, things haven't changed much behind the scenes. You won't have to look far to find reports of underhanded ripoffs at Coleman/PowerRide. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. Yes, I'm in kind of a pissy mood today. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Rittershausen [mailto:etrigan@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:02 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) Christopher Weaver wrote: "This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman." Ouch. Having recently moved to the area, I'm not familiar with the local dealerships. I'm guessing from this that Colman Powersports isn't held in high regard. Anyone else have any recommendations/warnings? Thanks. Todd Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `80 CX-500C ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:39:21 2000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:35:31 -0400 This thread reminds me of what a MPD (Metropolitan Police Dept.) cop neighbor of mine said. He stays with the MPD because he wants to do real police work (i.e. locking up real criminals). He could make more money and have easier duty in the 'burbs or with the state police, but he doesn't want to a traffic nanny and spend all his time in a cruiser. He's really grouchy when he has to work traffic, like last New Year's or on the 4th of July. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Christopher Weaver Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 10:06 AM Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket > > > Whew. That's a bit more extreme than I'm willing to go. > > I believe that the police (as an institution) get a bad wrap in a lot of ways. > Some of them are busting their butts in some hellish situations for next to > nothing in pay. However, separate out the traffic cops (glorified meter maids) > and I am closer to agreeing with your sentiment. > > Being a police officer in my mind is still a "noble" profession, but as an > organization, they seriously need to review their culture and procedural checks > and balances. > > --chris From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:42:23 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:42:04 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) To: Cc: You are correct sir. Coleman is not held in high regard on this list. They pretty much sell to anyone, regardless of experience or even a license for that matter. I prefer Springfield Cycle Sport for my riding needs. Yes it's a smaller shop but, the guys that work there all know me by name and are really good. I do occasionally go to Coleman to window shop at riding gear because they have a much larger selection to try on. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:05:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Todd Rittershausen writes: << Christopher Weaver wrote: "This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman." Ouch. Having recently moved to the area, I'm not familiar with the local dealerships. I'm guessing from this that Colman Powersports isn't held in high regard. Anyone else have any recommendations/warnings? Thanks. Todd Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `80 CX-500C ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:45:47 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:47:30 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" To: Christopher Weaver CC: Todd Rittershausen , DC Cycles Subject: Re: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, aticket) X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/01/2000 10:45:28 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/01/2000 10:45:29 AM, Serialize complete at 08/01/2000 10:45:29 AM Awww, cheer up, Chris! Sure, the weather sucks, and sure, it's only Tuesday..... but we have a fun-filled weekend just a few days away! :-) Are you going to Dewey? I am heading out Thursday after work.... The Samples are playing at the Bottle & Cork.... if you and the roomies head out this weekend, let's link up again. Maybe we can pull some 0-60 races along Rt. 1. ;-) --Kristina Christopher Weaver wrote: > They're called "PowerRide Motorsports" now, but it's the same bunch of > crooked a-holes that were in the place before they changed their name. The > ownership has changed, but from some recent reports from friends, things > haven't changed much behind the scenes. You won't have to look far to find > reports of underhanded ripoffs at Coleman/PowerRide. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > p.s. Yes, I'm in kind of a pissy mood today. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Rittershausen [mailto:etrigan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:02 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: And now for something completely different (was RE: An > accident, a ticket) > > Christopher Weaver wrote: > "This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of > society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman > Powersports salesman." > > Ouch. Having recently moved to the area, I'm not familiar with the local > dealerships. I'm guessing from this that Colman Powersports isn't held in > high regard. Anyone else have any recommendations/warnings? Thanks. > > Todd > > Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy > `80 CX-500C > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:49:05 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:48:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List cc: Darrell Roy Subject: FS: '00 SV650 2000 SV650 blue, 600 miles, $4,500 Call Rock at 301-473-8026 Bike is in Frederick, MD This is not my bike so you'll need to call, not e-mail me. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:51:14 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:50:54 EDT Subject: Re: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, etrigan@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX And I thought I was the only one who felt that way about Coleman. I bought a very expensive bike from Coleman (15K) and when I went to have it serviced the mechanic asked if I'd bought the "Gold" card service contract with my bike. It did not occur to me at the time, but what he was getting at is, had I bought this thousand dollar coverage he would take my bike for service during peak riding season - if not.. I was to wait in the back of the line with the scum. I'll know where to spend my next 15K and it won't be at Coleman's. Hell.. I might even change brands :) //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:54:26 2000 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:53:23 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accide nt, a ticket) To: "'Christopher Weaver'" , Todd Rittershausen , DC Cycles Just for the record they tried to sell me a used 2000 VFR as new. (last month) Luckily another dealer I was working with at the time knew about the bike's history (it had been sold, ridden home, and brought back with 80 miles on it.) because Coleman had told them when they had tried to swap for it. I called Brian the "salesman" back and asked him if the bike had already been sold once. He came clean and said that it had, forgetting that he had lied on a previous occasion and said "it had almost been sold". He never mentioned the mileage. I told him that I couldn't purchase the bike at that point and he had the audacity to ask me why! Why? I'm paying over $10,000 for a piece of equipment that is very sensitive to a proper break in period and the 80 of the most critical 100 miles were put on by a guy who had to bring it back because his wife was pregnant and wouldn't let him keep it. Any bets on whether he keep it under 4000rpm for all 80 miles? -Calvin '00VFR800FI (purchased from Honda House in Richmond) -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Weaver [mailto:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 1:25 PM To: Todd Rittershausen; DC Cycles Subject: RE: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) They're called "PowerRide Motorsports" now, but it's the same bunch of crooked a-holes that were in the place before they changed their name. The ownership has changed, but from some recent reports from friends, things haven't changed much behind the scenes. You won't have to look far to find reports of underhanded ripoffs at Coleman/PowerRide. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. Yes, I'm in kind of a pissy mood today. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Rittershausen [mailto:etrigan@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:02 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) Christopher Weaver wrote: "This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman." Ouch. Having recently moved to the area, I'm not familiar with the local dealerships. I'm guessing from this that Colman Powersports isn't held in high regard. Anyone else have any recommendations/warnings? Thanks. Todd Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `80 CX-500C ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:03:55 2000 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Moving right Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:03:33 -0400 Glenn Dysart said, "Dave, you left out the best part of the story which was Dr. Gridlocks response: >Dr. Gridlock's recommendation: Just move over, even if the law does not require it. You don't want these crazed drivers tailgating you or operating anywhere near you. OK everyone so if you want to go faster then 60 MPH you are "crazed". No, not "crazed", it's: "Every one driving faster than me is a maniac, everyone driving slower is just stupid." I'm writing my MD representatives for comment. The law as described by Gridlock sounds stupid. (he doesn't always get it right) In olden days, when I learned to drive, (pre Interstate, mostly two lane) the drill was: when you want to pass, flash your hi beams. the one ahead would flash an O.K. You pass. when clear, the passed operator would flash an O.K. to come back in the lane and you'd flash a "thank you" Many (but fewer) truckers still understand and use that system. I've found it's commonly used in Europe (except France where rudeness is de rigour). And it makes more sense that what I've seen practiced locally (Tailgate until the LLB moves over or pass them on the right) Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:07:09 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:06:17 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: HGerm@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > > I would like to meet a cop one day who stops me for speeding while riding who > says, "look dude, I know you're having a good time but slow it down. On > behalf of forming better relations between bikers and cops, I am not going to > give you a ticket. Just be cool dude..." Am I dreaming :) No, you are not dreaming. I've had it happen twice while on a bike. Not those exact words, mind you, but the same net effect. :) Yes, there are some bad cops out there. Yes, they might even be the (slight) majority. Balance is a good word. Cops have a harsh, difficult job to do, but must be given the authority and discretion to do it correctly. And they must be closely watched to ensure no abuse of that authority. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:18:28 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:11:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: DC Cycles Subject: Helmet opponent dies... http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/08/01/nohelmet.death.ap/index.html Shannon From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:19:34 2000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: New England Trip Advice? (was Important Question) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:15:30 -0400 Highest point is actually Klingman's (or is it Clingman's?) Dome in the great state of Tennessee. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Dysart > Actually the highest point on the east coast is > probably Mt. Mitchell in North Carolina reaching 6,684 > feet above sea level (which has seen snow in August > before). Mount Washington is 6,288 feet above sea > level. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:23:58 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:23:04 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: stevied@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 10:24:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stevied@XXXXXX writes: > http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/sportstreet/fs_tl1000s.htm Steven: thanks for the info... can anyone recommend a Suzuki dealer in the area? Thanks... From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:32:57 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:32:14 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: HGerm@XXXXXX, stevied@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 11:25:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HGerm@XXXXXX writes: > Steven: thanks for the info... can anyone recommend a Suzuki dealer in the > area? Thanks... Whitt's Suzuki seems to be a pretty nice place. Randy Moran even got a sponsorship out of them this year for racing. I think it's where Laura got her bike as well. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:34:04 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:34:55 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: HGerm@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/1/00 10:24:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > stevied@XXXXXX writes: > > > http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/sportstreet/fs_tl1000s.htm > Steven: thanks for the info... can anyone recommend a Suzuki dealer in the > area? Thanks... Go to: http://www.suzukicycles.com/ Click on Dealers, and plug in your zip code for results. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:34:22 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:34:07 EDT Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well... THAT about falls under the definition of "Irony". I especially like "Alcohol was also involved". No helmet and drunk. Sounds like a great way to ride a bike. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:34:53 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:34:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accide nt, a ticket) To: "Ledford, Calvin" , DC Cycles Boy that really sux. Not surprising for the place though. Although for the new VFR beak-in says nothing about RPM limit so you may have been OK. Its only says no hard acceleration or something of that effect for the first 300 miles. Glenn --- "Ledford, Calvin" wrote: > Just for the record they tried to sell me a used > 2000 VFR as new. (last > month) Luckily another dealer I was working with at > the time knew about the > bike's history (it had been sold, ridden home, and > brought back with 80 > miles on it.) because Coleman had told them when > they had tried to swap for > it. I called Brian the "salesman" back and asked > him if the bike had > already been sold once. He came clean and said that > it had, forgetting that > he had lied on a previous occasion and said "it had > almost been sold". He > never mentioned the mileage. I told him that I > couldn't purchase the bike > at that point and he had the audacity to ask me why! > Why? I'm paying over > $10,000 for a piece of equipment that is very > sensitive to a proper break in > period and the 80 of the most critical 100 miles > were put on by a guy who > had to bring it back because his wife was pregnant > and wouldn't let him keep > it. Any bets on whether he keep it under 4000rpm > for all 80 miles? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:36:26 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:35:41 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: stevied@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Found a dealer with the Blue and Teal Hayabusa.. love the look... what's a good price. The MSRP is 10,799... talk to me, people!!!!//Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:47:04 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:46:10 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > No helmet and drunk. Sounds like a great way to ride a bike. > It's a wonderful way to ride, lots of fun. Until you crash. Why do otherwise normal people do this to themselves? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:53:59 2000 Date: 1 Aug 2000 08:53:50 -0700 To: stevied@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: HGerm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks On Tue, 01 August 2000, "Steven C. Di Pietro" wrote: > Whitt's suzuki in manassas! awesome, awesome dealer...GREAT prices...ask for jeff or chris Laura > > > HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/1/00 10:24:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > stevied@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/sportstreet/fs_tl1000s.htm > > Steven: thanks for the info... can anyone recommend a Suzuki dealer in the > > area? Thanks... > > Go to: http://www.suzukicycles.com/ Click on Dealers, and plug in your > zip code for results. > > Steven C. Di Pietro > Assistant National Director > Suzuki Owners Club USA > http://www.soc-usa.org ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 12:01:26 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:00:40 -0400 From: Randy Moran To: HGerm@XXXXXX CC: stevied@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks I highly recommend Whitt's Suzuki in Manassas, Va. Chris Taylor (the GM) and Fred Thompson are friendly, top notch guys who will really go the extra mile to help you out. I'm sponsored by Whitt's, so of course I'm biased, but it really is the coolest bunch of guys I've run into at a bike shop. Tell them Randy Moran sent you and you'll be doing me a huge favor. They do have a beautiful red TL1000S in the showroom. Good Luck! Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/1/00 10:24:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > stevied@XXXXXX writes: > > > http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/sportstreet/fs_tl1000s.htm > Steven: thanks for the info... can anyone recommend a Suzuki dealer in the > area? Thanks... From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 12:01:51 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:01:34 EDT Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... To: Horkster@XXXXXX, BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 11:49:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: > Why do otherwise normal people do this to themselves? Ah, the eternal question.. Why? I have a simple rule - if I am out riding and you see me drinking... find my keys and flush them down the nearest toilet ... call a cab and tell me the kiss your... ah.. well you get the picture.... One drink is too many, and a thousand is never enough :) Take it from someone who knows :) Sixy From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 12:05:25 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:03:49 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX CC: stevied@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Randy: what's a good price for the TL1000S.. how are the ERGOs and does it keep up with the likes of a GSX1300? I gotta know.... please //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 12:23:15 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:22:17 -0400 From: Randy Moran To: HGerm@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks I haven't priced a TL myself, so I'm not the guy to ask. My personal rule of thumb when buying a new bike is to get the dealer to lose all of the freight and prep kind of stuff and work down from MSRP. It all depends on the model and how well it's selling generally. Time of the season has something to do with it as well--it is getting pretty late in the summer... TL ergonomics are on the "sport" side of Sport/Touring, a little hunched but nowhere near a GSXR/CBR/FZR. As for keeping up with a Hayabusa, well that's up to you until you get to about 170 mph. Then the 'busa will leave you on it's way to 190. But you both will have left me long ago, 'cause there's no freaking way you're gonna see me going anywhere near that fast on the street. I would guess that initial acceleration would be a little stouter on the TL, being that it's a V-twin, but that is speculation on my part. Good luck. Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > Randy: what's a good price for the TL1000S.. how are the ERGOs and does it > keep up with the likes of a GSX1300? I gotta know.... please //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 12:35:22 2000 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:34:34 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: HGerm@XXXXXX, stevied@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX HGerm@XXXXXX writes: << can anyone recommend a Suzuki dealer in the area? Thanks... >> Valley Cycle in Winchester...ask for Jim or James and tell them I sent you... Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 12:56:45 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:56:23 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thanks Randy. Much like you, I am not so interested in top in... it's the getting there that counts :) Nothing like the feeling of being smoked - been there done that - don't want to go back>> Just call my C.U. ... 6.9 percent ... not bad :) Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 13:52:56 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:52:36 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: HGerm@XXXXXX, Randy.Moran@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 1:00:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, HGerm@XXXXXX writes: > Thanks Randy. Much like you, I am not so interested in top in... it's the > getting there that counts :) Then you want a big twin. Twins sacrifice top-end for acceleration by producing gobs-o-torque at fairly low RPM. My Ducati 900SS (Don't even think 'touring' in the same sentence) is a 420lbs bike with 62lbs of torque... it will wheelie pretty easily in the first three gears and find triple digits before you can think 'gee, this thing is pretty fast'. Four cylinder bikes produce peak horsepower at higher RPMs, requiring you to "spin up" the motor before it really hits hard. However... technobabble aside, any big-bore twin or 4 cylinder sport/sport-touring motorcycle has enough eye-popping acceleration to land you in jail in under 4 seconds flat :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:05:28 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'BryanRoach@XXXXXX'" , HGerm@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:03:23 -0700 Good point about the "quick hit" you get with a big-twin. Keep in mind that to ride one smoothly in the twisties tends to require more throttle control than would a 4-cylinder of similar size. In other words, some of the big-twins can be a real handful when you get on the throttle as you're exiting a turn. Which isn't to say that you couldn't break the rear-end of 929rr, or ZX-9, or whatever, loose if you got on it too hard, but it probably wouldn't be as abrupt. Perry -----Original Message----- From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 1:53 PM To: HGerm@XXXXXX; Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks In a message dated 8/1/00 1:00:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, HGerm@XXXXXX writes: > Thanks Randy. Much like you, I am not so interested in top in... it's the > getting there that counts :) Then you want a big twin. Twins sacrifice top-end for acceleration by producing gobs-o-torque at fairly low RPM. My Ducati 900SS (Don't even think 'touring' in the same sentence) is a 420lbs bike with 62lbs of torque... it will wheelie pretty easily in the first three gears and find triple digits before you can think 'gee, this thing is pretty fast'. Four cylinder bikes produce peak horsepower at higher RPMs, requiring you to "spin up" the motor before it really hits hard. However... technobabble aside, any big-bore twin or 4 cylinder sport/sport-touring motorcycle has enough eye-popping acceleration to land you in jail in under 4 seconds flat :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:09:08 2000 From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New England Trip Advice? (was Important Question) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:08:57 GMT I can confirm that Mt Mitchel in North Carolina is the highest point east of the Missisippi River. I was there two weeks ago. I had a great ride up the Blue Ridge Parkway all the way from the Smokies. >Highest point is actually Klingman's (or is it Clingman's?) Dome in the >great state of Tennessee. > >Paul A. Wilson >Washington DC >1991 CB750 >http://users.erols.com/pawilson >----- Original Message ----- >From: Glenn Dysart > > > > Actually the highest point on the east coast is > > probably Mt. Mitchell in North Carolina reaching 6,684 > > feet above sea level (which has seen snow in August > > before). Mount Washington is 6,288 feet above sea > > level. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:19:32 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:18:28 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX, HGerm@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 2:06:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX writes: > Good point about the "quick hit" you get with a big-twin. Keep in mind that > to ride one smoothly in the twisties tends to require more throttle control > than would a 4-cylinder of similar size. In other words, some of the > big-twins can be a real handful when you get on the throttle as you're > exiting a turn. Which isn't to say that you couldn't break the rear-end of > 929rr, or ZX-9, or whatever, loose if you got on it too hard, but it > probably wouldn't be as abrupt. Actually... the reason the factories are changing to twins for World and AMA Superbike is that a twin puts power to the ground in a more linear fasion, which makes for less wheel spin. When a four cylinder spins up, it does so in a much more abrupt (violent) fasion, causing the wheel to break traction. On the dyno, a twin's torque curve almost isn't... it's generally a slightly upward sloping line. A 4-cylinder has a curve that rises steeply to a peak then falls away, usually in a fairly narrow RPM range. It is by far MUCH easier to spin the rear on a 929 or ZX9 than on an RC51, Duc, etc. It's also why I lost the Formula-2 race this weekend to a SV650 twin coming out of the last turn - wheelspin is a real bitch :) Race report soon to follow. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:33:13 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'BryanRoach@XXXXXX'" , HGerm@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:31:12 -0700 Bryan, I see your point. I guess what I was getting at was that with a 4-cylinder you have the "curve" to work with. You're not already at max torque, like with a twin. I agree that some 4-cylinders are much more "peaky" than the typical twin and that can be good or bad depending on what you're trying to do with it. On the race track you need to have the power "right now" but on the street you may not want to always be at the torque peak. Interestingly, when I test drove the Ducati ST2 I was VERY disappointed in it's torque curve. It didn't feel like it was making any power below 6K. My Kawasaki Concours, on the other hand, makes good power down at about 2K and is pulling like crazy at 6K (and is pretty near a hooligan by 8K.) When I was riding the Duc, I felt like I was always trying to find the right gear, unless I was going about 100mph. The Kaw pulls from just about anywhere. Of course, I just picked up a ZX-6 and it's power is way up high. It's not as peaky as some, but it likes to be up about 12K, or so... ;^) Perry -----Original Message----- From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 2:18 PM To: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX; HGerm@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks In a message dated 8/1/00 2:06:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX writes: > Good point about the "quick hit" you get with a big-twin. Keep in mind that > to ride one smoothly in the twisties tends to require more throttle control > than would a 4-cylinder of similar size. In other words, some of the > big-twins can be a real handful when you get on the throttle as you're > exiting a turn. Which isn't to say that you couldn't break the rear-end of > 929rr, or ZX-9, or whatever, loose if you got on it too hard, but it > probably wouldn't be as abrupt. Actually... the reason the factories are changing to twins for World and AMA Superbike is that a twin puts power to the ground in a more linear fasion, which makes for less wheel spin. When a four cylinder spins up, it does so in a much more abrupt (violent) fasion, causing the wheel to break traction. On the dyno, a twin's torque curve almost isn't... it's generally a slightly upward sloping line. A 4-cylinder has a curve that rises steeply to a peak then falls away, usually in a fairly narrow RPM range. It is by far MUCH easier to spin the rear on a 929 or ZX9 than on an RC51, Duc, etc. It's also why I lost the Formula-2 race this weekend to a SV650 twin coming out of the last turn - wheelspin is a real bitch :) Race report soon to follow. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:42:19 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:42:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Coleman, Perry wrote: > I see your point. I guess what I was getting at was that with a > 4-cylinder you have the "curve" to work with. You're not already at > max torque, like with a twin. Actually, the VTR (supposedly one of the torqier sporty twins) builds torque steadily throughout the rev range and has a torque curve that looks similar to its hp curve. Keep the revs below 5k and it's downright docile. A lot of VTR owners go down a tooth on the cs sprocket to combat this docility... I believe the more race oriented twins are tuned to put the torque even higher up the rev range, more like a four. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:45:12 2000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: New England Trip Advice? (was Important Question) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:42:01 -0400 I stand corrected. Clingman's Dome is 6,643 ft. and Mt. Mitchell is 6,684. Clingman's is the highest point on the Appalachian Trail. That's how I got confused. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Allis > I can confirm that Mt Mitchel in North Carolina is the highest point east of > the Missisippi River. I was there two weeks ago. I had a great ride up the > Blue Ridge Parkway all the way from the Smokies. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:45:54 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:45:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Paging Danny Thompson!! Paging Danny Thompson!! --============_-1246966981==_ma============ Sorry for the waste of bandwidth folks but.... Danny Thompson! If you would please contact me as soon as possible, I have a question for you. Reach me via email or telephone. Work: (703)-886-7661 Cell: (703)-609-6147 "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va --============_-1246966981==_ma============ GenevaSorry for the waste of bandwidth folks but.... Danny Thompson! If you would please contact me as soon as possible, I have a question for you. Reach me via email or telephone. Work: (703)-886-7661 Cell: (703)-609-6147 "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va --============_-1246966981==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 15:05:02 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:03:53 -0700 Kirk, Actually, the torque "curve" is pretty flat. It depends on what you're comparing it to, I suppose. Here's a dyno graph from the sport-twin site of a VTR before & after adding aftermarket pipes: http://www.sport-twin.com/franklin/hptorque.jpg Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 11:42 AM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Coleman, Perry wrote: > I see your point. I guess what I was getting at was that with a > 4-cylinder you have the "curve" to work with. You're not already at > max torque, like with a twin. Actually, the VTR (supposedly one of the torqier sporty twins) builds torque steadily throughout the rev range and has a torque curve that looks similar to its hp curve. Keep the revs below 5k and it's downright docile. A lot of VTR owners go down a tooth on the cs sprocket to combat this docility... I believe the more race oriented twins are tuned to put the torque even higher up the rev range, more like a four. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 16:05:13 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 16:07:13 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Off-topic X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/01/2000 04:05:02 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/01/2000 04:05:03 PM, Serialize complete at 08/01/2000 04:05:03 PM Last call.... I have 2 tickets to tomorrow's day-game (3:05pm) at Camden Yards... bleacher seats... Section 94 (great afternoon seats). I paid $25 for the 2, and I can't get out of work early tomorrow (esp. since I just gave my 2-weeks today!).... I'll take first offer, I just would hate for NOONE to go to the game. Call me on my cell at (703)622-9482 or at home (703)294-4957 if you are interested in them, and I can drop them off tonight, or during work-hours tomorrow, possibly. -Kristina From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 16:27:03 2000 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: krogish@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Off-topic Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:25:56 -0400 If you just gave your 2 wks, what's *stopping* you from leaving early! Also, go ride -- now! Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Kristina M. Rogish [mailto:krogish@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:07 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Off-topic Last call.... I have 2 tickets to tomorrow's day-game (3:05pm) at Camden Yards... bleacher seats... Section 94 (great afternoon seats). I paid $25 for the 2, and I can't get out of work early tomorrow (esp. since I just gave my 2-weeks today!).... I'll take first offer, I just would hate for NOONE to go to the game. Call me on my cell at (703)622-9482 or at home (703)294-4957 if you are interested in them, and I can drop them off tonight, or during work-hours tomorrow, possibly. -Kristina From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 17:01:12 2000 From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:00:52 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... VTwin in twisties To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 2:08:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX writes: << Good point about the "quick hit" you get with a big-twin. Keep in mind that to ride one smoothly in the twisties tends to require more throttle control than would a 4-cylinder of similar size. In other words, some of the big-twins can be a real handful when you get on the throttle as you're exiting a turn. >> This is not exactly correct. The VTwin is known for giving more tractable power when leaned than a 4 cyl. due to the reduced amount of power pulses turning the rear wheel. Thus on a twin you can get better drives out of corners without worrying so much about losing traction from spinning up the rear wheel like on an R1 or the like. Twins also have alot more engine braking than do 4 cyls so you can scrub off a bit of speed if necessary. The earlier model of TLS (like mine, 97) had some problems with fuel inj. mapping that made the throttle twitchy...maybe that is what you are referring to? Either way, Suzuki has worked out its FI troubles and a 2000 TLS should be a very good choice of steed. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 17:46:07 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:45:50 EDT Subject: Paging Jay St. Peter... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Jay - Can't find your email address, drop me a line or give me a call at 703-370-0102 if you get a chance later. Thanks! - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 18:17:44 2000 From: "Big Matty" To: Subject: Thanks for responses Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:10:30 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFFBE3.C704ED00 Well, thanks to everyone that provided their insights today. I'll try to pass along a "summary" to him. Regarding my last paragraph about overweight/overslow finger-shaking bikers, some of you guys need to lighten the hell up. Try smiling once in a while. It was meant to get a point across in as jokingly a manner as possible. Regarding the bike, it didn't end up all that bad actually. Some busted up fairings and other cosmetic damage but that's it. Not bad considering his helmet has several deep gashes in the side. I don't know exactly what he told the cop, and I don't think he knows either. Glenn, please do email me that phone # if you don't mind and I'll pass it along. It sounds like he's got a pretty good chance of getting out of the ticket OK (other than the cost of the lawyer). It did happen in VA. I'm not sure right now if it was Rappahanock or Fauqier County; it was close to the border along 647. I'll find out. I agree wholeheartedly that it demonstrates the advantages of riding in groups, and holding to strict guidelines. What if those other people hadn't come along and stopped him while he was trying to restart his bike in his daze??? There was just the two of us that day and we didn't hold strictly to general group-riding guidelines; if we had, I would have known to go back for him when I hadn't seen him for a while. This is part of why its so upsetting to me. Well, thanks again for the responses. It is much appreciated. 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The guy has |>injuries, likely hospital bills and a wrecked bike. Can't that be enough of a |>lesson without the cops piling on with a reckless ticket? Perhaps they think |>he'll now feel more served and protected ... I was in a MD courtroom where a lady drove into the bushes. I believe the officer testified, and the judge asked him if he saw the accident, cop said no, the lady got off, without a lawyer. The one good thing though, even though the cop didnt' see the accident and the guy did say what HE THOUGHT happened, the guy had a fresh head injury, and his words can't be too reliable. One guy I know had an accident when he hit a car. Near by was some construction. When someone asked him what happened, he (thought and) replied "a building fell on me", but he has no recollection of anything. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 19:33:57 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:36:29 -0400 From: Larry Meyer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks It doesn't get much press, (especially on this list, where there are only 2) but I love my Bandit 1200. Not exactly a sport bike, but passes for one most of the time. It's a GSXR 1100 motor bored out to 1200 and tuned for midrange. Tons of torque, wheelies like nobody's business if you like that, just all-around fun. The kicker is the ergos - it's more upright than any of the other bikes you've mentioned, which makes all the difference to me. Lack of stress on my back was probably the biggest reason I bought it. If you need more than 100 horses, the bike is easy and cheap to mod. I view the B12 kind of like a 4-cylinder, more upright, larger gas tank Superhawk. If you can wait, the 2001 is supposed to be even better. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 Christopher Weaver wrote: > If you want "rev-happy" then you need a four-cylinder. Period. The twins > don't rev as quickly or to as high a redline as fours. Is this what you mean > by "rev-happy?" > > I own a Superhawk, and I can say that it's more fun than a barrel of > monkeys. It's a twin though, so it makes its monstrous torque (~70 lb-ft) at > the expense of fast revs. It wheelies with no more than twitch of the > wrist - one magazine called it the easiest bike on which to learn how to do > this, FWIW. It has *plenty* of power and speed to keep up with almost anyone > on the road unless you're scraping pegs, exhaust canisters and mirrors on > the asphalt. That said, it's a bit of a guzzler - 120 miles to low fuel > warning light. As little as 100 if you're really caning it. It's pretty > comfortable - I went down to Daytona and back last year and I'm going up to > Maine and back in a few weeks with no alterations to the ergonomics. > > I love my bike, but given your interests, I would suggest the CBR1100xx or a > CBR929rr out of your list. If you want to lean more toward backroad > peg-scraping, pick the 929. If you want long distance comfort more, then get > the xx. What about the ZX9R? That sounds like a good compromise solution > unless you're a Honda-only man. > > Cheers, > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > -----Original Message----- > From: HGerm@XXXXXX [mailto:HGerm@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:35 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks > > After chatting with Laura last evening I have reconfirmed I want another > bike. Life is short, and there are a lot of folks with two bikes, right? > Help me rationalize this - PLEASE. > Requirements > 1. I want a "Rev-happy" engine > 2. I don't want children on 600(s) passing me :) (that's a joke, by the > way...) > 3. I don't want to have to visit a chiropractor (sp?) before and after each > ride (my body is old) > 4. I want a bike that is '"happy" at speed (see number one). > 5. I don't want to have to trade the bike in after a year cause someone got > something better (I know that's a tall order). > Talk to me, people :) > > Observations so far > Thought about the VFR - but wanted a little more displacement. > Thought about the Super Hawk - but will two really do - will big fours blow > by me on the open road? > Thought about the 1100XX - but my favorite dealer is out of them (I don't > want to wait.. should I wait?) > Thought about R1 - but my 39 year old body is very abused and the ERGO(s) > hurt > Thought about the 929 - not sure about the ERGO(s) > > My dealer has in stock a Super Hawk and a 929 - talk to me folks.. I need > help here... //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 19:44:00 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:43:43 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just got back from the Honda/Suzuki dealer. Got a chance to play around with the GSX1300(Hayabusa), CBR929RR, and the GSX750. Of the three the GSX750 had the most sportsbike orientation - down in front - up in back position. The GSX1300 is a big bike! Much more relaxed then the GSX750, but boy is that tank ever big. Then I got on the CBR929RR.. about as comfortable as the GSX - smaller tank - and lighter. Of the three I liked the feel of the 929... although admittedly all of this was on the dealer's showroom floor... they did not have one available for a test spin. Anybody out there on a 929RR.... anybody with an opinion on the 929RR... Thanks//Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 19:58:54 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 19:58:06 -0400 From: Tim Morrow To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket Matt: > This past saturday I rode with a friend out to Thornton's gap (skyline) and > we had a blast. We tore it up on the rode between The Plains and > Middleburg, along Route 647, and Rte. 55 along the way. A blast was had on > the mountain as well as we both made a point to get rid of any clean areas > along the sides of our tires on those nice curvies... > ...we rode up 647, and as he had been faster than me all day he got out ahead > of me and I lost sight... > ...I come to find out today that he ended up in a ditch... > ... He basically woke up that night while in the MRI machine, > and didn't remember anything after meeting me at 11 that morning. > ... he got a ticket for reckless driving.... > BTW, I can just see all the law-abiding, speed-limit-doing, > overweight/overslow bike riding, members of the list just itching to shoot > off discussion & commentary about how us crazy sportbike riders deserve to > die for the crime of endangering ourselves. Well, here's to hoping for > CONSTRUCTIVE responses (i.e. those that will actually help the situation as > it currently stands.) Hi Matt. Sorry to hear about your friend's accident. I ride a '97 Triumph Speed Triple. I like using *all* of my tires. I also like getting home at the end of my ride, and I like not having to hire lawyers to fight reckless driving charges. So, when I want to *really* rail through the corners, I go to Summit Point or Roebling Road or Daytona International Speedway or Virginia International Raceway or Carolina Motorsports Park and race on the racetrack where racing SHOULD be conducted. I suggest you and your friend (after he recovers both physically and financially) do the same. That's the most constructive response I can offer. One other little thing: If either of you have not yet taken BOTH the MRC:RSS *and* the ERC through the Virginia Rider Training Program, I suggest you do so as soon as practically possible. Tim Morrow -- MSF #21769 CCS Expert #19 http://www.FlaminDucRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 20:06:47 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:05:17 -0400 From: Tim Morrow To: DC Cycles Subject: re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > ... I want another bike... > Requirements > 1. I want a "Rev-happy" engine > 2. I don't want children on 600(s) passing me :) (that's a joke, by the > way...) > 3. I don't want to have to visit a chiropractor (sp?) before and after each > ride (my body is old) > 4. I want a bike that is '"happy" at speed (see number one). > 5. I don't want to have to trade the bike in after a year cause someone got > something better (I know that's a tall order). > Talk to me, people :) Triumph 955 Speed Triple - not the fastest, but the most fun; and comfy. (Yeah, I have one, but I'm totally unbiased... mine is *only* the old 885cc version!) Tim -- http://www.FlaminDucRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 21:03:27 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: HGerm@XXXXXX Cc: Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 03:46:36 GMT |>I would like to meet a cop one day who stops me for speeding while riding who |>says, "look dude, I know you're having a good time but slow it down. On |>behalf of forming better relations between bikers and cops, I am not going to |>give you a ticket. Just be cool dude..." Am I dreaming :) No, it's probably those same cops who see you zipping by who don't bother to pull out and spoil your fun . I got a warning for 90? on route 50 which i think is a 45 mph zone? and a friend of mine got pulled over on 270 for doing 90 through a curve. He had no M class, but the cop let him go and told him to "keep it under 90" hehe. strange eh? From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 21:03:29 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 03:41:12 GMT |>Bullshit. Police put their lives on the line every day to Every day? Do you include the noble "jump out in the fast lane and yell pull over" risking their lives to issue a speeding ticket? Should we be greatful that they take an occupation and don't care too much? |>"Serve and Protect" our lame asses, and what do we do? Put we are lame? dammit! we aren't worth having a convo! hehe |>the handcuffs on the cops, limiting what they can and can't do. Some people should wear handcuffs... and some of those people wear badges. |>I applaud the actions of the police in this matter. They |>deserve laurels, not lawsuits, Daniel. Bravo! I'll be looking forward to seeing what your reponse is to the question preposed "what if that was your sister on the back". I some how can't imagine you telling the surviving family "I'm glad the cops chased them". Remember, we still do not know if the passenger was completely innocent or contributing to the lawbreaking. When the cops are PUNISHING suspects, or RISKING people's lives over only what they know to be a speeding ticket, I think they deserve to sit in the cell next to the criminals they chase. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 21:05:42 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:11:04 GMT |>Well... THAT about falls under the definition of "Irony". |> |>I especially like "Alcohol was also involved". |> |>No helmet and drunk. Sounds like a great way to ride a bike. Not to mention set a wonderful image as a representative for their cause eh? From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 21:06:25 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:11:52 GMT |>> No helmet and drunk. Sounds like a great way to ride a bike. |>It's a wonderful way to ride, lots of fun. Until you crash. |>Why do otherwise normal people do this to themselves? A helmet openent strikes you as otherwise normal? From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 22:03:21 2000 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: GSX-R Microfiche CD Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:57:44 -0400 Well, what a job it turned out to be. But it is done. The GSX-R750 CD is finished. It has all the microfiche images from 1986-2000 US bikes. Ordering instructions are at the EZBoard below. To those waiting, thanks for being patient. Gary Foreman, GSX-R Owners Board http://pub9.ezboard.com/bgsxr750ownersboard fj1100@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 22:11:07 2000 From: "Big Matty" To: Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 22:03:57 -0400 You might want to read the write-ups in Motorcyclist and Cycle World magazines. Both July 2000 issues cover the 929 and compare it to others in its class. That's another thing to think about, is what type of class you're looking for. The 'busas strength is its top end. Would you use it that much? The r1/929's of the world certainly haul ass, but are more suited to twisties than a busa/XX/ZX12r class. Personally I think taking the time to read some magazines would get you the most (objective-type) info the quickest. From there its a matter of what feels right under your ass and coming out of your wallet. -----Original Message----- From: HGerm@XXXXXX [mailto:HGerm@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:44 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Just got back from the Honda/Suzuki dealer. Got a chance to play around with the GSX1300(Hayabusa), CBR929RR, and the GSX750. Of the three the GSX750 had the most sportsbike orientation - down in front - up in back position. The GSX1300 is a big bike! Much more relaxed then the GSX750, but boy is that tank ever big. Then I got on the CBR929RR.. about as comfortable as the GSX - smaller tank - and lighter. Of the three I liked the feel of the 929... although admittedly all of this was on the dealer's showroom floor... they did not have one available for a test spin. Anybody out there on a 929RR.... anybody with an opinion on the 929RR... Thanks//Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 22:35:42 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:35:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION!! To: DC Cycles Tommy G- Lesbianism is about having your biscuit - and eating it too! -Corbett > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > What the hell is the big lesbo fad all about? It > just > > don't make sense to me that it's OK for a woman to > be > > a diver but tabboo for a man to go around > buggering > > the world. > > > > Somebody please clear air, so to speak, and clue > me > > in. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 23:11:04 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:10:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... To: Tansey , DC Cycles ZZZZzzzzZZZZZzzz zz zz Huh?..oh! Um.. (Headline) Helmet-CHOICE Advocate Lives! Uh..Hello, Corbett here. I'm still kickin' Thanks. See ya. Good news is no news. Bad news makes headlines. -Corbett Re: Helmet opponent dies... --- Tansey wrote: > http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/08/01/nohelmet.death.ap/index.html > > Shannon > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 23:18:44 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:18:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... To: DC Cycles OWWW! Hey Moe! You shouldn't hit me in the head - YOU KNOW I'M NOT NORMAL!! Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk - Curly (Three Stooges) --- Dale Horstman wrote: > BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > No helmet and drunk. Sounds like a great way to > ride a bike. > > > It's a wonderful way to ride, lots of fun. Until > you crash. > Why do otherwise normal people do this to > themselves? > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 23:30:34 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:30:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket To: "Coleman, Perry" , "'vtrman@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Coleman, Perry" wrote: > Matt, > > My thoughts below... > > Perry > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Big Matty [mailto:vtrman@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 9:25 PM > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: An accident, a ticket > > > >[snip]He basically woke up that night while in the > MRI machine, and didn't > remember anything after > >meeting >me at 11 that morning. > >[snip[He told the cop (apparently) that he was > going along, looked back > over his shoulder (for me) as > >he was getting near the end of that straightway, > and then the curve was > there before he realized it. > > Since he was suffering from a head injury at the > time, I have a feeling that > any statement he made to the cop can be thrown out. > Make sure to have an > appropriate medical evaluation showing that he had a > mild concussion, or > whatever. That should make the lawyer's job a lot > easier. i think the downed rider's statement could be admitted as an either an excited utterance or an admission not good -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 23:55:57 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:55:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Someone was paging Jay St. Peter To: DC Cycles Someone was paging Jay St. Peter..was it Roach? Found address on an old post: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX -Corbett '99 K1200RS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 00:43:46 2000 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 00:43:32 EDT Subject: Weekend ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well,...I hate to interrupt the latest interesting threads but... I've decided to help poor Chuck out and lead a ride this weekend. I might be crazy (or it's all this rain) to subject myself to this torture but we'll just have to see what happens. :) I'm leaning to riding on Saturday but if I get more requests for Sunday then I'm flexible... The meeting place will be Winchester Indian off Rt. 81 a couple of miles north of Winchester, VA. If you need directions e-mail me and I'll provide more details. The ride will start at 10:00am. There are gas stations and restaurants nearby for those in need...I'll probably eat breakfast near there if anyone is interested. I'm an old fat guy on a 10 yr old Concours so all you guys on sport bikes should be able to keep up! LOL Seriously, I like to ride fairly quickly so there will be 2 groups or if not too many show up the route provides plenty of places to stop and wait for all to catch up. The route is pretty entertaining (Fred Grefe has ridden on part of it with me) with lots of corners and great scenery. If there is interest we can stop for lunch or dinner at Bryce resort. Another option is for everyone to bring a swimsuit to go for a dip after the ride...I have room in my saddlebags! :) All the usual group stuff applies (ride your own ride!!) Come prepared to have fun...everyone is invited no matter what type of bike you ride. And I have a GPS so I'm sure I'll keep up the tradition of making a few wrong turns! :) Please let me know who is interested and which day you prefer...so far the weather looks better for Saturday. Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 07:55:31 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 04:55:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket To: Tim Morrow , DC Cycles Your right that taking riding courses is an excellent suggestion but I'm really getting sick and tired of the "take it to the track" attitude as ALWAYS being the ONLY way to do ANY aggressive riding. Not everybody wants to be on the damn race track including myself. I'm not saying to go out and be a hooligan on the streets and I'm not saying to go out and ride 10/10ths on the street either but YOU can go out on the streets have a great time riding fairly aggressively without riding around the same old boring ride like a race track. just my .02 (flame suit ready) Glenn --- Tim Morrow wrote: > > Hi Matt. Sorry to hear about your friend's accident. > I ride a '97 > Triumph Speed Triple. I like using *all* of my > tires. I also like > getting home at the end of my ride, and I like not > having to hire > lawyers to fight reckless driving charges. So, when > I want to *really* > rail through the corners, I go to Summit Point or > Roebling Road or > Daytona International Speedway or Virginia > International Raceway or > Carolina Motorsports Park and race on the racetrack > where racing SHOULD > be conducted. I suggest you and your friend (after > he recovers both > physically and financially) do the same. That's the > most constructive > response I can offer. > > One other little thing: If either of you have not > yet taken BOTH the > MRC:RSS *and* the ERC through the Virginia Rider > Training Program, I > suggest you do so as soon as practically possible. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:00:34 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:00:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: Tim Morrow , DC Cycles Don't know which year you have but I rode a Speed Triple a couple years ago down in Princeton, WV when DC Cycles had a weekend trip down there and no offense but the Speed Triple has the twitcyest front end I've ever seen on any street bike I've been on. I know list member that will agree with me how loose that front end was. After the 20 or 30 miles I rode the bike I was more then happy to give the bike back and get back on my bike. Glenn --- Tim Morrow wrote: Triumph 955 Speed Triple - not the fastest, but the > most fun; and comfy. > > (Yeah, I have one, but I'm totally unbiased... mine > is *only* the old > 885cc version!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:10:15 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:10:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: HGerm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sixy (I guess that's your name?), I really like the 929. Zbig on the list has one I had the great opportunity to ride it from the US 220 / US 33 intersection in WV to Petersburg, WV. A very nice machine in every aspect. Handles extremely well, great power and the biggest brake rotors I've ever seen on the front of a bike. If I were going out and buying a new bike it would be hard to pass that one by. Glenn --- HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > Just got back from the Honda/Suzuki dealer. Got a > chance to play around with > the GSX1300(Hayabusa), CBR929RR, and the GSX750. Of > the three the GSX750 had > the most sportsbike orientation - down in front - up > in back position. The > GSX1300 is a big bike! Much more relaxed then the > GSX750, but boy is that > tank ever big. Then I got on the CBR929RR.. about > as comfortable as the GSX > - smaller tank - and lighter. Of the three I liked > the feel of the 929... > although admittedly all of this was on the dealer's > showroom floor... they > did not have one available for a test spin. > > Anybody out there on a 929RR.... anybody with an > opinion on the 929RR... > Thanks//Sixy// __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:11:25 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:12:30 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Jeannette Zell Subject: The Swim Home Anyone else get the pleasure of swimming home last night? I think I caught the worst of the downpour, 'cause as I was pulling onto my street, it slowed to a trickle. : ( I have great timing. You know how it can be fun to drive through a big puddle in your car? Not so on a bike. No, I didn't do it on purpose. ; ) I was cruising along, trying to avoid getting mashed by all the drivers who for some reason think 15 mph on Rt. 50 is needed during any sort of rain when I hit a puddle. I literally got SOAKED. It felt like I had hit a small wave in the ocean. My docs were dripping when I got home! I had to peel the layers of leather and clothes off. Yuck. Side note - This may sound stupid, but I'd never ridden through a puddle of standing water before on my bike. My bike didn't seem to lose traction or anything, but normally this would not be good, right? Avoid puddles, correct? Thanks. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:15:44 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:15:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Non moto... Those Camera's To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For those of you who love those red light cameras as much as I do check out this link. It seems this camera is for speeders. I guess its just a mater of time before we have these too. http://PassThisOn.com/ticket/?t=bobby+and+frank&f=Fern __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:47:20 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:47:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Non moto... Those Camera's (Delete now if you don't want to read non-moto related flamage) First, I /really/ hate sites that open new windows after you view the first page and the close your browser. If you're going to post a url that points to a site that does crap like that, please give some warning. ALSO, some people have oppressive regimes where they work, which frown upon "inappropriate" content. I consider it courteous to include some sort of warning with a URL that points such content... just say something like `May not be "work safe"' On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:15:35 -0700 (PDT) > From: Glenn Dysart > Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Non moto... Those Camera's > > For those of you who love those red light cameras as > much as I do check out this link. It seems this > camera is for speeders. I guess its just a mater of > time before we have these too. > > http://PassThisOn.com/ticket/?t=bobby+and+frank&f=Fern > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:51:30 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:51:20 -0400 From: Tim Morrow To: dysart@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Glenn Dysart wrote: > Don't know which year you have but I rode a Speed > Triple a couple years ago down in Princeton, WV when > DC Cycles had a weekend trip down there and no offense > but the Speed Triple has the twitcyest front end I've > ever seen on any street bike I've been on. I know > list member that will agree with me how loose that > front end was. After the 20 or 30 miles I rode the > bike I was more then happy to give the bike back and > get back on my bike. Perhaps it was the particular example that you had occasion to ride? I've ridden several, and never had any problems with the front-end being planted, stable, and predictable. Yes, you have more leverage on the bars than you do with narrow, low clip-ons, but that doesn't make the front-end twitchy unless you continue to apply the same amount of muscle into the wider, taller bar that you would into clip-ons. I've also never read any reviews in the American or British press about any unusual twitchiness in the T509's front-end. It is, after all, the same fork as the Honda CBR900RR with a 17" front wheel instead of the 16" front wheel that the CBR900RR had. In fact, I've known people who have switched their CBR900RR wheel to a 17" size in order to "slow down" the steering of their RR. Also, tire choice has a great deal of influence on how the front end feels. A Dunlop D207 (*especially* the GP version, which I run on my EX500 racebike) has a much more triangular profile than a Bridgestone BT56SS, for example, and will "fall into" turns much more quickly than many other tires. If the bike you rode was so equipped, and you came off a bike with more weight on the front end, and less leverage on the bars, that might explain why the bike felt so strange. But to the best of my knowledge, there is nothing inherently twitchy or out of the range of "normal" sportbike steering dynamics that is endemic to the Speed Triple. Tim -- nttp://www.FlaminDucRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:53:51 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:45:22 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Jeannette Zell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: The Swim Home You're right, puddles should be avoided because one never knows what lurks beneath the water. The daddy of all potholes? Very possible. Not to mention a serious water blast could blow you right off the bike. But traction shouldn't be a problem. The shape and narrow width of a motorcycle tire isn't the greatest for *surfing* AKA hydroplaning. Plus, hydroplaning is directly related to tire air pressure - the more the better - and cycles usually run PSI above 35. Note: for those of you in cages multiply the square root of your tire pressure by 10 and that gives you an approximate hydroplaning speed with FRESH rubber. Bill Jeannette Zell wrote: > Anyone else get the pleasure of swimming home last night? > I think I caught the worst of the downpour, 'cause as I was pulling onto my > street, it slowed to a trickle. : ( > I have great timing. > You know how it can be fun to drive through a big puddle in your car? > Not so on a bike. No, I didn't do it on purpose. ; ) > I was cruising along, trying to avoid getting mashed by all the drivers who > for some reason think 15 mph on Rt. 50 is needed during any sort of rain > when I hit a puddle. I literally got SOAKED. It felt like I had hit a > small wave in the ocean. My docs were dripping when I got home! I had to > peel the layers of leather and clothes off. Yuck. > > Side note - This may sound stupid, but I'd never ridden through a puddle of > standing water before on my bike. My bike didn't seem to lose traction or > anything, but normally this would not be good, right? > Avoid puddles, correct? > > Thanks. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:54:56 2000 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: jzell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Swim Home Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:53:44 -0400 I had the audacity to think the deluge would pass, hopping my bike and heading out onto GW Parkway towards Alexandria. Cars really were acting like idiots, though, as if they couldn't handle driving through a half-foot of water. Coming around the Memorial Bridge access onto GW, all the cars were in the right-hand lane, crawling along. I went through the left-lane at about 15-20 mph, zipping past all the cages. GW Parkway was a mess, with standing puddles everywhere. I just tried to take it easy and try to avoid breaking situations. Going straight was no problem at all. Got splashed pretty hard by some of the traffic going in the opposite direction, but once I passed National Airport, the storm was over and there were blue skies and dry roads. When I got home my fiancee was wondering why I was drenched when it was such a nice day out. I told her I hit some puddles . . . It looks like it might be time for some new rain slicks. I think there's a hole in the crotch of my rain pants, and when I took off them off, it had looked like I had wet my pants. Now conditions weren't THAT bad! Bests, Erik P.S. It didn't really come to it, but in extrely deep puddles, it is a good idea to keep you revs high (toggling speed with the clutch) to avoid water getting in your pipes and then into your engine. When I was in the middle of the storm, it seemd this might become necceasry. Luckily, it didn't. -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Zell [mailto:jzell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 8:13 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: The Swim Home Anyone else get the pleasure of swimming home last night? I think I caught the worst of the downpour, 'cause as I was pulling onto my street, it slowed to a trickle. : ( I have great timing. You know how it can be fun to drive through a big puddle in your car? Not so on a bike. No, I didn't do it on purpose. ; ) I was cruising along, trying to avoid getting mashed by all the drivers who for some reason think 15 mph on Rt. 50 is needed during any sort of rain when I hit a puddle. I literally got SOAKED. It felt like I had hit a small wave in the ocean. My docs were dripping when I got home! I had to peel the layers of leather and clothes off. Yuck. Side note - This may sound stupid, but I'd never ridden through a puddle of standing water before on my bike. My bike didn't seem to lose traction or anything, but normally this would not be good, right? Avoid puddles, correct? Thanks. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:58:09 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... VTwin in twisties Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:56:02 -0700 Jack, Maybe that's what I'm thinking of. I know that I've read about every article ever written about them, as I was (am still somewhat) interested in a big-twin sport bike. However, I've got about 20 years of riding liter-class fours, so I'm used to that power delivery. Perry -----Original Message----- From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX [mailto:GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 5:01 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... VTwin in twisties [snip] >The earlier model of TLS (like mine, 97) had some problems with fuel inj. mapping >that made the throttle twitchy...maybe that is what you are referring to? From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 09:02:08 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 09:01:54 -0400 From: Tim Morrow To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket Glenn Dysart wrote: > Your right that taking riding courses is an excellent > suggestion but I'm really getting sick and tired of > the "take it to the track" attitude as ALWAYS being > the ONLY way to do ANY aggressive riding. Not > everybody wants to be on the damn race track including > myself. I'm not saying to go out and be a hooligan on > the streets and I'm not saying to go out and ride > 10/10ths on the street either but YOU can go out on > the streets have a great time riding fairly > aggressively without riding around the same old boring > ride like a race track. Oh, I didn't say that the race track was the only place for spirited, sporting riding. I did mention that I like using *all* of the tire on my street bike. What I did say was that when I really want to *rail* through the corners, I do so on the ractrack. With the performance envelope of modern motorcycles, you simply cannot explore the limits with any degree of safety on the public roads. If you're content to ride well within the limits of your bike, the road, and the environment, there is no reason at all to go to the track. Even while riding at a sporting pace that would probably appall a "civilian" on-looker, a good rider can ride on the street well within all those limits (while, I might add, obliterating any and all posted speed limits). However, when you crash on the street, I think you have a responsibility (if to no one else, than at least to yourself) to consider the possibility that perhaps you exceeded the limits of your bike, your own personal limits, or the limits of the environment in which you were riding. It's very seldom that experienced riders have solo street accidents while riding within themselves. Note that I didn't say it *never* happens - because it can and does - but it is extremely rare. So, taking a class in an attempt to become a better rider would seem to me to be an appropriate response to a single vehicle street crash. So would going to the track for sport bike days, track days, road racing school, or to race, if you feel that there is no way to enjoy your high performance motorcycle on the street without pushing *its* envelope - which is significantly higher than that of most riders and most public roads. Another appropriate response would be to slow the hell down while riding on the street, but I just don't see that option pursued or discussed much! Tim -- MSF #21769 CCS Expert #19 http://www.FlaminDucRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 09:04:19 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:04:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: The Swim Home On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Jeannette Zell wrote: > Side note - This may sound stupid, but I'd never ridden through a > puddle of standing water before on my bike. My bike didn't seem to > lose traction or anything, but normally this would not be good, right? > Avoid puddles, correct? Avoid the puddles if you can. However, if you have no choice then stand up, get your weight back, and stay on the throttle. This will give you the greatest margin of safety (since you can't see what's at the bottom of the puddle). You can avoid getting soaked by wheelying through the puddle. :) Well, it works on the dirtbike, anyway... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 09:18:00 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 06:17:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re