From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 02:00:31 2000 From: "David VFR Thompson" To: Cc: Subject: Re:New England Trip Advice? Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:32:36 -0400 First, Check out the North American Sportbike Road Registry http://www.execpc.com/~ytk/ There's lot's of roads "rider rated" roads in each State. Also, The VFR list has run the WDGAH ride out of Lake George for the past 3 years & I happen to have a detailed ride map that loops through the Adirondacks & Vermont to catch some of the great roads in the area, many of them are listed on the website above. If you're interested, E-mail me off list & I'll send the maps David "RoutemeiSTer" Thompson http://home.rochester.rr.com/backroads/ Rochester NY AMA# 504560 STOC# 840 Current STable 90 Suzuki DR350S 91 Honda ST1100 94 Honda VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 07:20:19 2000 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: JReazor@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 07:20:06 -0400 Subject: RE: Brand New Zoo James wrote... >DC Cycles-ers, > I'm happy to report that I took delivery of my first bike in >many years today. I ordered a Suzuki SV650 form cyclecity1.com >about a week ago and it was delivered this afternoon as promised. >The bike was hauled out here from Erie PA. Too weird. Too slick for Erie (population = one third the number of people that stand on the DC Mall during 4th of July fireworks). My wife will never believe this. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '58 / '65 Triton "kit" http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 07:43:37 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 04:43:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: New England Trip Advice? (was Important Question) To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Actually the highest point on the east coast is probably Mt. Mitchell in North Carolina reaching 6,684 feet above sea level (which has seen snow in August before). Mount Washington is 6,288 feet above sea level. Glenn --- MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > Lessee now - Vermont Route 9 (across the southern > part of the state) is a > nice ride. Climbing Mt. Washington (highest point on > the eastern seaboard) is pretty much de rigeur - the ranger at the base will __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 07:49:00 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 04:48:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket To: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Matt, that really sux about your friend. The thing that really sux is he told the cop what might have happened. With that the cop gave him the Reckless ticket. Same thing happened to my father about four years ago. Lesson he learned is to remember in a situation like this is to keep your mouth shut as the cop has no evidence of what happened. When you admit you went to wide, fell asleep, went to fast, etc the cop has all he needs to write the ticket. The thing that really sux is they don't even have to tell you your rights an they are "investigating" the accident at the time. Have him get a lawyer. My friend took care of the nine on the list and I think they are happy with his work. If you want his number drop me an e-mail. Glenn --- Big Matty wrote: > This past saturday I rode with a friend out to > Thornton's gap (skyline) and > we had a blast. We tore it up on the rode between > The Plains and Middleburg, along Route 647, and Rte. 55 along __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 07:56:19 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 04:55:59 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket To: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Since this list seems to have some people fairly knowledgeable about > reckless driving tickets, I'd like to pose a question: Will this ticket > hold up in court do you think? Obviously the cop did not witness a > thing, > neither did the people. There are no skid marks or anything else that > could > possibly indicate speed. He told the cop (apparently) that he was going > along, looked back over his shoulder (for me) as he was getting near the > end > of that straightway, and then the curve was there before he realized it. this seems really odd to me. I got into an accident in VA along I-66 over a year ago when I was first starting to ride before I could get into any of the MSF courses. anyway I wasn't doing much if any over the speed limit and the cars infront of me started slowing down. well me in my *great* wisdom hit the rear break too hard and locked it up causing me to go sliding down the road. after being taken to the hospital a cop comes by and asks what happened and I told him. he basically told me that it was a single car accident that he wouldn't write a ticket because it wouldn't hold up in court. I'd say fight it since he has no proof of what really happened so he can't say that he was doing anything wrong. lots of things can go wrong even without speeding. even if he was half mile in the woods all he'd have to say is I was trying to keep the bike up. Cops got no proof so he should be able to get off. plus the only person he hurt was himself. that's just my .02 cents Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 08:11:40 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:11:29 -0400 From: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket bryan main wrote: > > He told the cop (apparently) that he was going along, > looked back over his shoulder (for me) as he was getting near the > end of that straightway, and then the curve was there before he realized it. > > > I'd say fight it since he has no proof of what really happened so he can't > say that he was doing anything wrong. Unfortunately, yes he does. see the snipped section above. Whatever you tell the cop at an accident investigation is a statement that can be entered into evidence in court... while an admission of guilt isn't admissible as evidence in Court, that's not Traffic Court... Where the Constitution means nothing. > lots of things can go wrong even without speeding. And for that, they have the catch all 'failure to control vehicle'. > even if he was half mile in the woods all he'd have to > say is I was trying to keep the bike up. Exercise your right to remain silent, or lie - 'a deer jumped out in front of me. I avoided it'. That isn't ticketable, generally speaking. Talk to a lawyer... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 08:13:23 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:05:15 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New England Trip Advice? (was Important Question) True. And Mt Mitchell is easy access from the BR pkwy, great scoot ride. Bill Glenn Dysart wrote: > Actually the highest point on the east coast is > probably Mt. Mitchell in North Carolina reaching 6,684 > feet above sea level (which has seen snow in August > before). Mount Washington is 6,288 feet above sea > level. > > Glenn > > --- MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > Lessee now - Vermont Route 9 (across the southern > > part of the state) is a > > nice ride. Climbing Mt. Washington (highest point on > > the eastern seaboard) is > pretty much de rigeur - the ranger at the base > will > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 08:25:42 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:25:24 EDT Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket To: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX A ticket for being in a one vehicle accident... sheez... I should tell my son to be more careful on his tricycle (he falls over all the time - wearing a helmet of course). Incredible... but then again, this did happen in Virginia - No? Not to make you feel worse - but this is yet another example of why it pays to ride with friends in a group! Your friend was in no condition to be signing a ticket; and once a ticket is written - well then one gets "processed" (not the word I wanted to use - but P.C.). There should be a biker advocacy group in Virginia to handle stuff like this - free lawyers, etc. Hey any lawyers out there want to donate a little time? I should have followed my dreams of being a lawyer... I would take a case like this for no charge. //Sixy//97 Green and Cream//Valkyrie Tourer From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 08:33:50 2000 From: Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:28:46 -0400 Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket To: bryan main Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Yeah, this sucks, especially in a single vehicle accident. The guy has injuries, likely hospital bills and a wrecked bike. Can't that be enough of a lesson without the cops piling on with a reckless ticket? Perhaps they think he'll now feel more served and protected ... --chris To: vtrman@XXXXXX dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket Cops got no proof so he should be able to get off. plus the only person he hurt was himself. that's just my .02 cents Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 08:36:50 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'vtrman@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 05:34:44 -0700 Matt, My thoughts below... Perry >-----Original Message----- >From: Big Matty [mailto:vtrman@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 9:25 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: An accident, a ticket > >[snip]He basically woke up that night while in the MRI machine, and didn't remember anything after >meeting >me at 11 that morning. >[snip[He told the cop (apparently) that he was going along, looked back over his shoulder (for me) as >he was getting near the end of that straightway, and then the curve was there before he realized it. Since he was suffering from a head injury at the time, I have a feeling that any statement he made to the cop can be thrown out. Make sure to have an appropriate medical evaluation showing that he had a mild concussion, or whatever. That should make the lawyer's job a lot easier. [snip] >BTW, I can just see all the law-abiding, speed-limit-doing, overweight/overslow bike riding, members >of the list just itching to shoot off discussion & commentary about how us crazy sportbike riders deserve >to die for the crime of endangering ourselves. Well, here's to hoping for CONSTRUCTIVE responses >(i.e. those that will actually help the situation as it currently stands.) You might want to check the attitude at the door. Remember, to become old and wise, one must first survive being young and stupid... From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:10:20 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 06:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION!! On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > What the hell is the big lesbo fad all about? It just > don't make sense to me that it's OK for a woman to be > a diver but tabboo for a man to go around buggering > the world. > > Somebody please clear air, so to speak, and clue me > in. > Two for the price of one. Get em now while they're hot. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:22:26 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Chuck Pena Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 16:28:05 GMT |>ultimate price for his (not the police's) actions. Unless and until |>somebody can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that what the police in |>this case was wrong, the only person who should be charged and/or sued |>is the guy who was driving the m/c. How long did the chase last? Would it be reasonable and foresable that the bike would crash if the officer kept up a persuit, only for what he knew to be speeding violation at the time? It's funny, in other areas if a car is driving wild and erratic through heavy traffic a police force will call off the persuit for the safety of innocent people.. but what keeps the passenger from being considered innocent and endangered by the officer? merely because he assumed "they were together and equally guilty"? So an officer continues to persue fleeing suspect, knowing it could very well kill the innocent passenger.. on what started out as a speeding violation. I hope a hell of a lawyer sues the hell out of VA state police! why? because high speed persuits are DANGEROUS to officers and innocent citizens. I believe in a no chase policy unless a voilent felony has been commited. I will agree with popular oppinion that the rider is an imbecile, who was bound to set himself up as a darwin nominee. The passenger may very well be the award winner. Did the passenger NOT know the bike was stolen? did the passenger NOT know the operator would evade, and still got on? Did teh passenger NOT know there were drugs involved? Even if the passenger is guilty of all those things, that still does not excuse VA state police from contributing to the high speed chase which left the person dead. The police have no right to endanger anyone's life (even if guilty) merely in the name of doing their job. Hell the rider and passenger may have a history of riding together, but never had any problems until they were involved in this high speed persuit. Dangerous Life threatening High speed persuits for non volient crimes is just bad policy that results in people dying. It needs to be changed. Or do we need to see someone "a little more innocent" to die first? As if no innocent people have ever died from high speed persuits for non volient crimes. and let's not forget.. sometimes when these bikes smoke the cops on the open road, the cops see a second innocent bike and assume it's the same bike, and put that rider through all the B.S. of being guitly. I'm not here to say police are assholes (ok some are).. but I actually have a growing respect for them. A lot of them are riders, and are decent people.. I'm here to say high speed chases shoudln't be occuring without a GOOD reason. I would not count speeding as one of them. Nor most things non voilent. Most crimes warrants can be issued, and the suspects can only avoid the police for so long. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:33:18 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , "bryan main" Cc: , Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:32:12 -0700 It's likely that the cop felt that it was a convenient time to get another reckless conviction onto his record for his next salary or quota review. This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman. They get rewarded for this sort of behavior, so who can really be suprised? We gasp in disbelief at stories of corrupt police forces in third world countries, but at least their corruption isn't hidden by hypocritical morality lectures and fake sincerity. Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000 "Proudly Hating Cops Since 1969" -----Original Message----- From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX "Can't that be enough of a lesson without the cops piling on with a reckless ticket? Perhaps they think he'll now feel more served and protected ..." From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:35:40 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:35:25 EDT Subject: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX After chatting with Laura last evening I have reconfirmed I want another bike. Life is short, and there are a lot of folks with two bikes, right? Help me rationalize this - PLEASE. Requirements 1. I want a "Rev-happy" engine 2. I don't want children on 600(s) passing me :) (that's a joke, by the way...) 3. I don't want to have to visit a chiropractor (sp?) before and after each ride (my body is old) 4. I want a bike that is '"happy" at speed (see number one). 5. I don't want to have to trade the bike in after a year cause someone got something better (I know that's a tall order). Talk to me, people :) Observations so far Thought about the VFR - but wanted a little more displacement. Thought about the Super Hawk - but will two really do - will big fours blow by me on the open road? Thought about the 1100XX - but my favorite dealer is out of them (I don't want to wait.. should I wait?) Thought about R1 - but my 39 year old body is very abused and the ERGO(s) hurt Thought about the 929 - not sure about the ERGO(s) My dealer has in stock a Super Hawk and a 929 - talk to me folks.. I need help here... //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:37:01 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 16:42:42 GMT On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:40:15 -0400, you wrote: |>Somebody wrote: |> |>> > I'm not saying that the cops should have done nothing, they absolutely should, |>> > but not run the guy down like the 'wild west'... |> |>Personally, if you are running from the cops, and they can catch up to you, |>I'm all for them running you down like a animal. As in road-pizza. |>As in they'll need a spatula to dig you back up off the asphalt. Runners |>are playing a very dangerous game on public roads, and should be dealt |>with as a severe threat to society. |> |>Harsh? Yes. Necessary? Maybe. Do you really want the stressed out, ex-high school jock, bulley with inflated ego, pumped up on adrenalin jerk wth state immunity/backing to be the one playing judge and executioner? Today he beats down the squid darwin candidate, tomorrow you accidently do 35 in a park road that's marked 15, and he cracks open your forehead cuz you said "come on man, it's nto that big a deal". hell let's just fire the legislative & judicial branches, and enjoy a police state. That will be fun won't it? Daniel I call dibs on being the dictator. call me royal hiney-ness king daniel, i want to make the laws. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:40:57 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: HGerm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 16:46:39 GMT |>Oh c'mon, you have *no* desire for the scum who stole your scoot to be |>caught and sent to jail? None at all? |> |>They used to hang horse theives. That's a law I wish we still had on the |>books. I didn't know you loved horses so much.. I dare not ask in what ways Daniel :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:46:54 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 09:45:58 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > The police have no right to endanger > anyone's life (even if guilty) merely in the name of doing their job. Bullshit. Police put their lives on the line every day to "Serve and Protect" our lame asses, and what do we do? Put the handcuffs on the cops, limiting what they can and can't do. I applaud the actions of the police in this matter. They deserve laurels, not lawsuits, Daniel. Bravo! Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:50:41 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:50:30 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: HGerm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX If you like the VFR but would like more displacement, might I suggest the Triumph Sprint ST? It's got the same 955cc engine from the Triumph Daytona, only retuned for midrange. The seating is upright and comfortable, yet tucked enough for aggressive riding. It can also be out-fitted for sport-touring with color-matched saddlebags, taller windshield, and heated grips. I took a test ride on one at Winchester Motorsports open house back in April and almost considered trading my Guzzi in for it (I love my Guzzi!). Just a suggestion. Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:51:15 2000 Date: 1 Aug 2000 06:50:59 -0700 To: HGerm@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks On Tue, 01 August 2000, HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: I swear I did not convince him to explore the world of sport bikes...lol. :-) Laura > After chatting with Laura last evening I have reconfirmed I want another > bike. Life is short, and there are a lot of folks with two bikes, right? > Help me rationalize this - PLEASE. > Requirements > 1. I want a "Rev-happy" engine > 2. I don't want children on 600(s) passing me :) (that's a joke, by the > way...) > 3. I don't want to have to visit a chiropractor (sp?) before and after each > ride (my body is old) > 4. I want a bike that is '"happy" at speed (see number one). > 5. I don't want to have to trade the bike in after a year cause someone got > something better (I know that's a tall order). > Talk to me, people :) > > Observations so far > Thought about the VFR - but wanted a little more displacement. > Thought about the Super Hawk - but will two really do - will big fours blow > by me on the open road? > Thought about the 1100XX - but my favorite dealer is out of them (I don't > want to wait.. should I wait?) > Thought about R1 - but my 39 year old body is very abused and the ERGO(s) hurt > Thought about the 929 - not sure about the ERGO(s) > > My dealer has in stock a Super Hawk and a 929 - talk to me folks.. I need > help here... //Sixy// ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:52:11 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 16:57:50 GMT On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:34:27 -0400, you wrote: |>I remember one episode of COPS where some guy and his lady passenger |>were running from (sort of) the police on a cruiser. The bike could |>only do 80 or 85 mph, they had 4 or 5 cruisers following at a distance, |>just waiting. Neither rider nor passenger wearing helmets, the lady |>passenger turned around occasionally to flip off the police! |> |>The guy either gave up or ran out of gas, I can't remember. He |>never tried anything evasive, just running down the open highway for |>several miles. Most intensely stupid thing I had seen in a while. That is so intensely stupid it's hilarious. lol. Kind of like the stupid crook who looks into the surveillance camera and shrugs it off and then continues on with his crime. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:52:45 2000 Date: 1 Aug 2000 06:52:31 -0700 To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, ldrbryan@XXXXXX, vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket On Tue, 01 August 2000, "Christopher Weaver" wrote: > > This is why I hate cops and chics in bathing suits on bikes...sorry, Chris...just had to tease you! :-) Laura '98 VTR1000 > "Proudly Hating Cops Since 1969" > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > > "Can't that be enough of a > lesson without the cops piling on with a reckless ticket? Perhaps they > think > he'll now feel more served and protected ..." ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 09:57:38 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'vtrman@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:48:03 -0400 Well, I think that I may be the expert on this one, as the exact same thing happened to me on Rt 211 last year. I lost it in a turn and got a ticket 20 minutes later from the trooper. The answer is, yes, it will hold up in court even though the cop didn't see it. The police do not have to see every violation they write, otherwise they couldn't ever write post-accident tickets. I need to know what county this happened in to make a good judgement. But I did NOT use a lawyer, but just some common sense. I arrived in a suit and tried to negotiate with the prosecutor. He offered improper driving (3 pts) instead, but believing my legal innocence (the road was wet) I decided to go to court. The judge listened as I both explained the accident and that I am a safe rider (explained all the safety gear, training, etc, so he would have a better impression of me). He was sympathetic and offered to erarse all records of the ticket if I had a clean driving record for 6 months. End of story. Have your friend call me if you want, 703-610-1088. Mark Kitchell > -----Original Message----- > From: Big Matty [SMTP:vtrman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 9:25 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: An accident, a ticket > > This past saturday I rode with a friend out to Thornton's gap (skyline) > and we had a blast. We tore it up on the rode between The Plains and > Middleburg, along Route 647, and Rte. 55 along the way. A blast was had > on the mountain as well as we both made a point to get rid of any clean > areas along the sides of our tires on those nice curvies. > > As we were leaving skyline we stopped at the mobile, gassed up, and said > our "see-ya's", since we were going to split off before we stopped again. > Again we rode up 647, and as he had been faster than me all day he got out > ahead of me and I lost sight. Basically I just continued on and didn't > see him again, figuring he just wanted to ball out the rest of the way > home and not wait for me at intersections, which was no problem for me. > > I come to find out today that he ended up in a ditch and i passed right by > never seeing him, and went about my merry way. Yes, this tortures me, but > at the same time at that right-hander curve I was looking right, and not > into the field on the opposite side of the road. > > Fortunately some people shortly thereafter found him trying to scramble > out of the ditch and get his bike started, realized how hurt he was, and > called the authorities. He basically woke up that night while in the MRI > machine, and didn't remember anything after meeting me at 11 that morning. > > The good news is that he's going to be OK, thanks to his helmet, leathers, > gloves, and sidi boots. The bad news (aside from the injuries he > suffered) is that he got a ticket for reckless driving. Apparently a cop > arrived, got the bike towed, and wrote him a ticket which he signed > although he remembers nothing of what happened. > > Since this list seems to have some people fairly knowledgeable about > reckless driving tickets, I'd like to pose a question: Will this ticket > hold up in court do you think? Obviously the cop did not witness a thing, > neither did the people. There are no skid marks or anything else that > could possibly indicate speed. He told the cop (apparently) that he was > going along, looked back over his shoulder (for me) as he was getting near > the end of that straightway, and then the curve was there before he > realized it. > > Anyway, I told him to get a lawyer when he could, which seems to be the > consensus of people in this situation. > > BTW, I can just see all the law-abiding, speed-limit-doing, > overweight/overslow bike riding, members of the list just itching to > shoot off discussion & commentary about how us crazy sportbike riders > deserve to die for the crime of endangering ourselves. Well, here's to > hoping for CONSTRUCTIVE responses (i.e. those that will actually help the > situation as it currently stands.) > > Thanks. > Matt > > Matt Pflieger > vtrman@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:02:50 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:02:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Rittershausen To: DC Cycles Subject: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) X-WM-FaxTo: Christopher Weaver wrote: "This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman." Ouch. Having recently moved to the area, I'm not familiar with the local dealerships. I'm guessing from this that Colman Powersports isn't held in high regard. Anyone else have any recommendations/warnings? Thanks. Todd Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `80 CX-500C ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:03:01 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Christopher Weaver'" , christopher.meier@XXXXXX, bryan main Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:53:30 -0400 Coe on Chris..........cops write tickets, thats their job. If you want to blame someone, blame the people who write the traffic laws, that being the politicians who are representing us. Cops are told to write tickets. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Weaver [SMTP:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 12:32 PM > To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX; bryan main > Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket > > It's likely that the cop felt that it was a convenient time to get another > reckless conviction onto his record for his next salary or quota review. > This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors > of > society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a > Coleman > Powersports salesman. They get rewarded for this sort of behavior, so who > can really be suprised? We gasp in disbelief at stories of corrupt police > forces in third world countries, but at least their corruption isn't > hidden > by hypocritical morality lectures and fake sincerity. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR1000 > "Proudly Hating Cops Since 1969" > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > > "Can't that be enough of a > lesson without the cops piling on with a reckless ticket? Perhaps they > think > he'll now feel more served and protected ..." From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:05:30 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:04:13 -0700 If you want "rev-happy" then you need a four-cylinder. Period. The twins don't rev as quickly or to as high a redline as fours. Is this what you mean by "rev-happy?" I own a Superhawk, and I can say that it's more fun than a barrel of monkeys. It's a twin though, so it makes its monstrous torque (~70 lb-ft) at the expense of fast revs. It wheelies with no more than twitch of the wrist - one magazine called it the easiest bike on which to learn how to do this, FWIW. It has *plenty* of power and speed to keep up with almost anyone on the road unless you're scraping pegs, exhaust canisters and mirrors on the asphalt. That said, it's a bit of a guzzler - 120 miles to low fuel warning light. As little as 100 if you're really caning it. It's pretty comfortable - I went down to Daytona and back last year and I'm going up to Maine and back in a few weeks with no alterations to the ergonomics. I love my bike, but given your interests, I would suggest the CBR1100xx or a CBR929rr out of your list. If you want to lean more toward backroad peg-scraping, pick the 929. If you want long distance comfort more, then get the xx. What about the ZX9R? That sounds like a good compromise solution unless you're a Honda-only man. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: HGerm@XXXXXX [mailto:HGerm@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:35 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks After chatting with Laura last evening I have reconfirmed I want another bike. Life is short, and there are a lot of folks with two bikes, right? Help me rationalize this - PLEASE. Requirements 1. I want a "Rev-happy" engine 2. I don't want children on 600(s) passing me :) (that's a joke, by the way...) 3. I don't want to have to visit a chiropractor (sp?) before and after each ride (my body is old) 4. I want a bike that is '"happy" at speed (see number one). 5. I don't want to have to trade the bike in after a year cause someone got something better (I know that's a tall order). Talk to me, people :) Observations so far Thought about the VFR - but wanted a little more displacement. Thought about the Super Hawk - but will two really do - will big fours blow by me on the open road? Thought about the 1100XX - but my favorite dealer is out of them (I don't want to wait.. should I wait?) Thought about R1 - but my 39 year old body is very abused and the ERGO(s) hurt Thought about the 929 - not sure about the ERGO(s) My dealer has in stock a Super Hawk and a 929 - talk to me folks.. I need help here... //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:09:52 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 07:09:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION!! To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX profit list can be for the "hunk" photo shoot as well just reverse the men\women. 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Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:12:41 2000 From: Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:06:50 -0400 Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket To: Christopher Weaver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Whew. That's a bit more extreme than I'm willing to go. I believe that the police (as an institution) get a bad wrap in a lot of ways. Some of them are busting their butts in some hellish situations for next to nothing in pay. However, separate out the traffic cops (glorified meter maids) and I am closer to agreeing with your sentiment. Being a police officer in my mind is still a "noble" profession, but as an organization, they seriously need to review their culture and procedural checks and balances. --chris Christopher Weaver on 08/01/2000 12:32:12 PM To: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US@Americas-US bryan main cc: vtrman@XXXXXX dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket It's likely that the cop felt that it was a convenient time to get another reckless conviction onto his record for his next salary or quota review. This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman. They get rewarded for this sort of behavior, so who can really be suprised? We gasp in disbelief at stories of corrupt police forces in third world countries, but at least their corruption isn't hidden by hypocritical morality lectures and fake sincerity. Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000 "Proudly Hating Cops Since 1969" -----Original Message----- From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX "Can't that be enough of a lesson without the cops piling on with a reckless ticket? Perhaps they think he'll now feel more served and protected ..." ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:12:50 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:12:22 EDT Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies To: Horkster@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Horkster: tell us how you really feel :) ... touched a nerve, eh? I think the word that applies is "Balance". Let's not let the discussion lose the fact that there are good cops out there - I've just never met any :) (that's a joke...) I would like to meet a cop one day who stops me for speeding while riding who says, "look dude, I know you're having a good time but slow it down. On behalf of forming better relations between bikers and cops, I am not going to give you a ticket. Just be cool dude..." Am I dreaming :) //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:23:33 2000 From: Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:16:12 -0400 Subject: Re: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) To: Todd Rittershausen Cc: DC Cycles X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Unfortunately, this is not something completely different (I know you're new Todd). We have discussed Coleman Powersports ad nausea on this list. Almost as much as Guns, and reckless tickets. :-) --chris To: DC Cycles cc: Subject: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) Christopher Weaver wrote: "This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman." Ouch. Having recently moved to the area, I'm not familiar with the local dealerships. I'm guessing from this that Colman Powersports isn't held in high regard. Anyone else have any recommendations/warnings? Thanks. Todd ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:23:55 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:23:22 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 10:07:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chris.weaver@XXXXXX writes: If I am going to buy this second bike.. it has to be everything I want it to be! If you want "rev-happy" then you need a four-cylinder. Period. The twins > don't rev as quickly or to as high a redline as fours. Is this what you mean > by "rev-happy?" Let me expand a bit on what I mean when I say "Rev-Happy". I want a bike that wants to go fast... in other words, the faster I push it, the faster is wants to go. Kinda like downshifting a gear at 80 and having the front end rise, shake its head and say.. "whatcha wanna do, big boy" :) Wheeeee.. is the picture clearer ? //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:23:59 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:24:37 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: HGerm@XXXXXX, "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > After chatting with Laura last evening I have reconfirmed I want another > bike. Life is short, and there are a lot of folks with two bikes, right? > Help me rationalize this - PLEASE. > Requirements > 1. I want a "Rev-happy" engine > 2. I don't want children on 600(s) passing me :) (that's a joke, by the > way...) > 3. I don't want to have to visit a chiropractor (sp?) before and after each > ride (my body is old) > 4. I want a bike that is '"happy" at speed (see number one). > 5. I don't want to have to trade the bike in after a year cause someone got > something better (I know that's a tall order). > Talk to me, people :) > http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/sportstreet/fr_gsx1300.htm http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/sportstreet/fs_tl1000s.htm Sixy, You might think about jumping brands, and check these out. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:24:39 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'HGerm@XXXXXX'" , Horkster@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:14:53 -0400 That has happened to me twice. He didn't say the bit about better relations...... You gotta be nice and check the attitude at the last gas station. > -----Original Message----- > From: HGerm@XXXXXX [SMTP:HGerm@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 10:12 AM > To: Horkster@XXXXXX; daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies > > Horkster: tell us how you really feel :) ... touched a nerve, eh? I > think > the word that applies is "Balance". Let's not let the discussion lose the > > fact that there are good cops out there - I've just never met any :) > (that's > a joke...) > > I would like to meet a cop one day who stops me for speeding while riding > who > says, "look dude, I know you're having a good time but slow it down. On > behalf of forming better relations between bikers and cops, I am not going > to > give you a ticket. Just be cool dude..." Am I dreaming :) > > //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:26:35 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Todd Rittershausen" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:24:49 -0700 They're called "PowerRide Motorsports" now, but it's the same bunch of crooked a-holes that were in the place before they changed their name. The ownership has changed, but from some recent reports from friends, things haven't changed much behind the scenes. You won't have to look far to find reports of underhanded ripoffs at Coleman/PowerRide. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. Yes, I'm in kind of a pissy mood today. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Rittershausen [mailto:etrigan@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:02 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) Christopher Weaver wrote: "This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman." Ouch. Having recently moved to the area, I'm not familiar with the local dealerships. I'm guessing from this that Colman Powersports isn't held in high regard. Anyone else have any recommendations/warnings? Thanks. Todd Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `80 CX-500C ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:39:21 2000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:35:31 -0400 This thread reminds me of what a MPD (Metropolitan Police Dept.) cop neighbor of mine said. He stays with the MPD because he wants to do real police work (i.e. locking up real criminals). He could make more money and have easier duty in the 'burbs or with the state police, but he doesn't want to a traffic nanny and spend all his time in a cruiser. He's really grouchy when he has to work traffic, like last New Year's or on the 4th of July. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Christopher Weaver Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 10:06 AM Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket > > > Whew. That's a bit more extreme than I'm willing to go. > > I believe that the police (as an institution) get a bad wrap in a lot of ways. > Some of them are busting their butts in some hellish situations for next to > nothing in pay. However, separate out the traffic cops (glorified meter maids) > and I am closer to agreeing with your sentiment. > > Being a police officer in my mind is still a "noble" profession, but as an > organization, they seriously need to review their culture and procedural checks > and balances. > > --chris From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:42:23 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:42:04 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) To: Cc: You are correct sir. Coleman is not held in high regard on this list. They pretty much sell to anyone, regardless of experience or even a license for that matter. I prefer Springfield Cycle Sport for my riding needs. Yes it's a smaller shop but, the guys that work there all know me by name and are really good. I do occasionally go to Coleman to window shop at riding gear because they have a much larger selection to try on. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:05:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Todd Rittershausen writes: << Christopher Weaver wrote: "This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman." Ouch. Having recently moved to the area, I'm not familiar with the local dealerships. I'm guessing from this that Colman Powersports isn't held in high regard. Anyone else have any recommendations/warnings? Thanks. Todd Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `80 CX-500C ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:45:47 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:47:30 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" To: Christopher Weaver CC: Todd Rittershausen , DC Cycles Subject: Re: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, aticket) X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/01/2000 10:45:28 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/01/2000 10:45:29 AM, Serialize complete at 08/01/2000 10:45:29 AM Awww, cheer up, Chris! Sure, the weather sucks, and sure, it's only Tuesday..... but we have a fun-filled weekend just a few days away! :-) Are you going to Dewey? I am heading out Thursday after work.... The Samples are playing at the Bottle & Cork.... if you and the roomies head out this weekend, let's link up again. Maybe we can pull some 0-60 races along Rt. 1. ;-) --Kristina Christopher Weaver wrote: > They're called "PowerRide Motorsports" now, but it's the same bunch of > crooked a-holes that were in the place before they changed their name. The > ownership has changed, but from some recent reports from friends, things > haven't changed much behind the scenes. You won't have to look far to find > reports of underhanded ripoffs at Coleman/PowerRide. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > p.s. Yes, I'm in kind of a pissy mood today. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Rittershausen [mailto:etrigan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:02 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: And now for something completely different (was RE: An > accident, a ticket) > > Christopher Weaver wrote: > "This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of > society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman > Powersports salesman." > > Ouch. Having recently moved to the area, I'm not familiar with the local > dealerships. I'm guessing from this that Colman Powersports isn't held in > high regard. Anyone else have any recommendations/warnings? Thanks. > > Todd > > Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy > `80 CX-500C > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:49:05 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:48:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List cc: Darrell Roy Subject: FS: '00 SV650 2000 SV650 blue, 600 miles, $4,500 Call Rock at 301-473-8026 Bike is in Frederick, MD This is not my bike so you'll need to call, not e-mail me. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:51:14 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:50:54 EDT Subject: Re: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, etrigan@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX And I thought I was the only one who felt that way about Coleman. I bought a very expensive bike from Coleman (15K) and when I went to have it serviced the mechanic asked if I'd bought the "Gold" card service contract with my bike. It did not occur to me at the time, but what he was getting at is, had I bought this thousand dollar coverage he would take my bike for service during peak riding season - if not.. I was to wait in the back of the line with the scum. I'll know where to spend my next 15K and it won't be at Coleman's. Hell.. I might even change brands :) //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 10:54:26 2000 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:53:23 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accide nt, a ticket) To: "'Christopher Weaver'" , Todd Rittershausen , DC Cycles Just for the record they tried to sell me a used 2000 VFR as new. (last month) Luckily another dealer I was working with at the time knew about the bike's history (it had been sold, ridden home, and brought back with 80 miles on it.) because Coleman had told them when they had tried to swap for it. I called Brian the "salesman" back and asked him if the bike had already been sold once. He came clean and said that it had, forgetting that he had lied on a previous occasion and said "it had almost been sold". He never mentioned the mileage. I told him that I couldn't purchase the bike at that point and he had the audacity to ask me why! Why? I'm paying over $10,000 for a piece of equipment that is very sensitive to a proper break in period and the 80 of the most critical 100 miles were put on by a guy who had to bring it back because his wife was pregnant and wouldn't let him keep it. Any bets on whether he keep it under 4000rpm for all 80 miles? -Calvin '00VFR800FI (purchased from Honda House in Richmond) -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Weaver [mailto:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 1:25 PM To: Todd Rittershausen; DC Cycles Subject: RE: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) They're called "PowerRide Motorsports" now, but it's the same bunch of crooked a-holes that were in the place before they changed their name. The ownership has changed, but from some recent reports from friends, things haven't changed much behind the scenes. You won't have to look far to find reports of underhanded ripoffs at Coleman/PowerRide. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. Yes, I'm in kind of a pissy mood today. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Rittershausen [mailto:etrigan@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:02 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) Christopher Weaver wrote: "This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman." Ouch. Having recently moved to the area, I'm not familiar with the local dealerships. I'm guessing from this that Colman Powersports isn't held in high regard. Anyone else have any recommendations/warnings? Thanks. Todd Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `80 CX-500C ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:03:55 2000 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Moving right Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:03:33 -0400 Glenn Dysart said, "Dave, you left out the best part of the story which was Dr. Gridlocks response: >Dr. Gridlock's recommendation: Just move over, even if the law does not require it. You don't want these crazed drivers tailgating you or operating anywhere near you. OK everyone so if you want to go faster then 60 MPH you are "crazed". No, not "crazed", it's: "Every one driving faster than me is a maniac, everyone driving slower is just stupid." I'm writing my MD representatives for comment. The law as described by Gridlock sounds stupid. (he doesn't always get it right) In olden days, when I learned to drive, (pre Interstate, mostly two lane) the drill was: when you want to pass, flash your hi beams. the one ahead would flash an O.K. You pass. when clear, the passed operator would flash an O.K. to come back in the lane and you'd flash a "thank you" Many (but fewer) truckers still understand and use that system. I've found it's commonly used in Europe (except France where rudeness is de rigour). And it makes more sense that what I've seen practiced locally (Tailgate until the LLB moves over or pass them on the right) Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:07:09 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:06:17 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: HGerm@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > > I would like to meet a cop one day who stops me for speeding while riding who > says, "look dude, I know you're having a good time but slow it down. On > behalf of forming better relations between bikers and cops, I am not going to > give you a ticket. Just be cool dude..." Am I dreaming :) No, you are not dreaming. I've had it happen twice while on a bike. Not those exact words, mind you, but the same net effect. :) Yes, there are some bad cops out there. Yes, they might even be the (slight) majority. Balance is a good word. Cops have a harsh, difficult job to do, but must be given the authority and discretion to do it correctly. And they must be closely watched to ensure no abuse of that authority. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:18:28 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:11:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: DC Cycles Subject: Helmet opponent dies... http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/08/01/nohelmet.death.ap/index.html Shannon From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:19:34 2000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: New England Trip Advice? (was Important Question) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:15:30 -0400 Highest point is actually Klingman's (or is it Clingman's?) Dome in the great state of Tennessee. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Dysart > Actually the highest point on the east coast is > probably Mt. Mitchell in North Carolina reaching 6,684 > feet above sea level (which has seen snow in August > before). Mount Washington is 6,288 feet above sea > level. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:23:58 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:23:04 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: stevied@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 10:24:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stevied@XXXXXX writes: > http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/sportstreet/fs_tl1000s.htm Steven: thanks for the info... can anyone recommend a Suzuki dealer in the area? Thanks... From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:32:57 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:32:14 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: HGerm@XXXXXX, stevied@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 11:25:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HGerm@XXXXXX writes: > Steven: thanks for the info... can anyone recommend a Suzuki dealer in the > area? Thanks... Whitt's Suzuki seems to be a pretty nice place. Randy Moran even got a sponsorship out of them this year for racing. I think it's where Laura got her bike as well. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:34:04 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:34:55 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: HGerm@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/1/00 10:24:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > stevied@XXXXXX writes: > > > http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/sportstreet/fs_tl1000s.htm > Steven: thanks for the info... can anyone recommend a Suzuki dealer in the > area? Thanks... Go to: http://www.suzukicycles.com/ Click on Dealers, and plug in your zip code for results. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:34:22 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:34:07 EDT Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well... THAT about falls under the definition of "Irony". I especially like "Alcohol was also involved". No helmet and drunk. Sounds like a great way to ride a bike. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:34:53 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:34:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accide nt, a ticket) To: "Ledford, Calvin" , DC Cycles Boy that really sux. Not surprising for the place though. Although for the new VFR beak-in says nothing about RPM limit so you may have been OK. Its only says no hard acceleration or something of that effect for the first 300 miles. Glenn --- "Ledford, Calvin" wrote: > Just for the record they tried to sell me a used > 2000 VFR as new. (last > month) Luckily another dealer I was working with at > the time knew about the > bike's history (it had been sold, ridden home, and > brought back with 80 > miles on it.) because Coleman had told them when > they had tried to swap for > it. I called Brian the "salesman" back and asked > him if the bike had > already been sold once. He came clean and said that > it had, forgetting that > he had lied on a previous occasion and said "it had > almost been sold". He > never mentioned the mileage. I told him that I > couldn't purchase the bike > at that point and he had the audacity to ask me why! > Why? I'm paying over > $10,000 for a piece of equipment that is very > sensitive to a proper break in > period and the 80 of the most critical 100 miles > were put on by a guy who > had to bring it back because his wife was pregnant > and wouldn't let him keep > it. Any bets on whether he keep it under 4000rpm > for all 80 miles? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:36:26 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:35:41 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: stevied@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Found a dealer with the Blue and Teal Hayabusa.. love the look... what's a good price. The MSRP is 10,799... talk to me, people!!!!//Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:47:04 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:46:10 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > No helmet and drunk. Sounds like a great way to ride a bike. > It's a wonderful way to ride, lots of fun. Until you crash. Why do otherwise normal people do this to themselves? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 11:53:59 2000 Date: 1 Aug 2000 08:53:50 -0700 To: stevied@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: HGerm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks On Tue, 01 August 2000, "Steven C. Di Pietro" wrote: > Whitt's suzuki in manassas! awesome, awesome dealer...GREAT prices...ask for jeff or chris Laura > > > HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/1/00 10:24:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > stevied@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/sportstreet/fs_tl1000s.htm > > Steven: thanks for the info... can anyone recommend a Suzuki dealer in the > > area? Thanks... > > Go to: http://www.suzukicycles.com/ Click on Dealers, and plug in your > zip code for results. > > Steven C. Di Pietro > Assistant National Director > Suzuki Owners Club USA > http://www.soc-usa.org ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 12:01:26 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:00:40 -0400 From: Randy Moran To: HGerm@XXXXXX CC: stevied@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks I highly recommend Whitt's Suzuki in Manassas, Va. Chris Taylor (the GM) and Fred Thompson are friendly, top notch guys who will really go the extra mile to help you out. I'm sponsored by Whitt's, so of course I'm biased, but it really is the coolest bunch of guys I've run into at a bike shop. Tell them Randy Moran sent you and you'll be doing me a huge favor. They do have a beautiful red TL1000S in the showroom. Good Luck! Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/1/00 10:24:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > stevied@XXXXXX writes: > > > http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/sportstreet/fs_tl1000s.htm > Steven: thanks for the info... can anyone recommend a Suzuki dealer in the > area? Thanks... From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 12:01:51 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:01:34 EDT Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... To: Horkster@XXXXXX, BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 11:49:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: > Why do otherwise normal people do this to themselves? Ah, the eternal question.. Why? I have a simple rule - if I am out riding and you see me drinking... find my keys and flush them down the nearest toilet ... call a cab and tell me the kiss your... ah.. well you get the picture.... One drink is too many, and a thousand is never enough :) Take it from someone who knows :) Sixy From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 12:05:25 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:03:49 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX CC: stevied@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Randy: what's a good price for the TL1000S.. how are the ERGOs and does it keep up with the likes of a GSX1300? I gotta know.... please //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 12:23:15 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:22:17 -0400 From: Randy Moran To: HGerm@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks I haven't priced a TL myself, so I'm not the guy to ask. My personal rule of thumb when buying a new bike is to get the dealer to lose all of the freight and prep kind of stuff and work down from MSRP. It all depends on the model and how well it's selling generally. Time of the season has something to do with it as well--it is getting pretty late in the summer... TL ergonomics are on the "sport" side of Sport/Touring, a little hunched but nowhere near a GSXR/CBR/FZR. As for keeping up with a Hayabusa, well that's up to you until you get to about 170 mph. Then the 'busa will leave you on it's way to 190. But you both will have left me long ago, 'cause there's no freaking way you're gonna see me going anywhere near that fast on the street. I would guess that initial acceleration would be a little stouter on the TL, being that it's a V-twin, but that is speculation on my part. Good luck. Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > Randy: what's a good price for the TL1000S.. how are the ERGOs and does it > keep up with the likes of a GSX1300? I gotta know.... please //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 12:35:22 2000 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:34:34 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: HGerm@XXXXXX, stevied@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX HGerm@XXXXXX writes: << can anyone recommend a Suzuki dealer in the area? Thanks... >> Valley Cycle in Winchester...ask for Jim or James and tell them I sent you... Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 12:56:45 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:56:23 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thanks Randy. Much like you, I am not so interested in top in... it's the getting there that counts :) Nothing like the feeling of being smoked - been there done that - don't want to go back>> Just call my C.U. ... 6.9 percent ... not bad :) Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 13:52:56 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:52:36 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: HGerm@XXXXXX, Randy.Moran@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 1:00:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, HGerm@XXXXXX writes: > Thanks Randy. Much like you, I am not so interested in top in... it's the > getting there that counts :) Then you want a big twin. Twins sacrifice top-end for acceleration by producing gobs-o-torque at fairly low RPM. My Ducati 900SS (Don't even think 'touring' in the same sentence) is a 420lbs bike with 62lbs of torque... it will wheelie pretty easily in the first three gears and find triple digits before you can think 'gee, this thing is pretty fast'. Four cylinder bikes produce peak horsepower at higher RPMs, requiring you to "spin up" the motor before it really hits hard. However... technobabble aside, any big-bore twin or 4 cylinder sport/sport-touring motorcycle has enough eye-popping acceleration to land you in jail in under 4 seconds flat :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:05:28 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'BryanRoach@XXXXXX'" , HGerm@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:03:23 -0700 Good point about the "quick hit" you get with a big-twin. Keep in mind that to ride one smoothly in the twisties tends to require more throttle control than would a 4-cylinder of similar size. In other words, some of the big-twins can be a real handful when you get on the throttle as you're exiting a turn. Which isn't to say that you couldn't break the rear-end of 929rr, or ZX-9, or whatever, loose if you got on it too hard, but it probably wouldn't be as abrupt. Perry -----Original Message----- From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 1:53 PM To: HGerm@XXXXXX; Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks In a message dated 8/1/00 1:00:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, HGerm@XXXXXX writes: > Thanks Randy. Much like you, I am not so interested in top in... it's the > getting there that counts :) Then you want a big twin. Twins sacrifice top-end for acceleration by producing gobs-o-torque at fairly low RPM. My Ducati 900SS (Don't even think 'touring' in the same sentence) is a 420lbs bike with 62lbs of torque... it will wheelie pretty easily in the first three gears and find triple digits before you can think 'gee, this thing is pretty fast'. Four cylinder bikes produce peak horsepower at higher RPMs, requiring you to "spin up" the motor before it really hits hard. However... technobabble aside, any big-bore twin or 4 cylinder sport/sport-touring motorcycle has enough eye-popping acceleration to land you in jail in under 4 seconds flat :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:09:08 2000 From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New England Trip Advice? (was Important Question) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:08:57 GMT I can confirm that Mt Mitchel in North Carolina is the highest point east of the Missisippi River. I was there two weeks ago. I had a great ride up the Blue Ridge Parkway all the way from the Smokies. >Highest point is actually Klingman's (or is it Clingman's?) Dome in the >great state of Tennessee. > >Paul A. Wilson >Washington DC >1991 CB750 >http://users.erols.com/pawilson >----- Original Message ----- >From: Glenn Dysart > > > > Actually the highest point on the east coast is > > probably Mt. Mitchell in North Carolina reaching 6,684 > > feet above sea level (which has seen snow in August > > before). Mount Washington is 6,288 feet above sea > > level. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:19:32 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:18:28 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX, HGerm@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 2:06:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX writes: > Good point about the "quick hit" you get with a big-twin. Keep in mind that > to ride one smoothly in the twisties tends to require more throttle control > than would a 4-cylinder of similar size. In other words, some of the > big-twins can be a real handful when you get on the throttle as you're > exiting a turn. Which isn't to say that you couldn't break the rear-end of > 929rr, or ZX-9, or whatever, loose if you got on it too hard, but it > probably wouldn't be as abrupt. Actually... the reason the factories are changing to twins for World and AMA Superbike is that a twin puts power to the ground in a more linear fasion, which makes for less wheel spin. When a four cylinder spins up, it does so in a much more abrupt (violent) fasion, causing the wheel to break traction. On the dyno, a twin's torque curve almost isn't... it's generally a slightly upward sloping line. A 4-cylinder has a curve that rises steeply to a peak then falls away, usually in a fairly narrow RPM range. It is by far MUCH easier to spin the rear on a 929 or ZX9 than on an RC51, Duc, etc. It's also why I lost the Formula-2 race this weekend to a SV650 twin coming out of the last turn - wheelspin is a real bitch :) Race report soon to follow. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:33:13 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'BryanRoach@XXXXXX'" , HGerm@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:31:12 -0700 Bryan, I see your point. I guess what I was getting at was that with a 4-cylinder you have the "curve" to work with. You're not already at max torque, like with a twin. I agree that some 4-cylinders are much more "peaky" than the typical twin and that can be good or bad depending on what you're trying to do with it. On the race track you need to have the power "right now" but on the street you may not want to always be at the torque peak. Interestingly, when I test drove the Ducati ST2 I was VERY disappointed in it's torque curve. It didn't feel like it was making any power below 6K. My Kawasaki Concours, on the other hand, makes good power down at about 2K and is pulling like crazy at 6K (and is pretty near a hooligan by 8K.) When I was riding the Duc, I felt like I was always trying to find the right gear, unless I was going about 100mph. The Kaw pulls from just about anywhere. Of course, I just picked up a ZX-6 and it's power is way up high. It's not as peaky as some, but it likes to be up about 12K, or so... ;^) Perry -----Original Message----- From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 2:18 PM To: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX; HGerm@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks In a message dated 8/1/00 2:06:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX writes: > Good point about the "quick hit" you get with a big-twin. Keep in mind that > to ride one smoothly in the twisties tends to require more throttle control > than would a 4-cylinder of similar size. In other words, some of the > big-twins can be a real handful when you get on the throttle as you're > exiting a turn. Which isn't to say that you couldn't break the rear-end of > 929rr, or ZX-9, or whatever, loose if you got on it too hard, but it > probably wouldn't be as abrupt. Actually... the reason the factories are changing to twins for World and AMA Superbike is that a twin puts power to the ground in a more linear fasion, which makes for less wheel spin. When a four cylinder spins up, it does so in a much more abrupt (violent) fasion, causing the wheel to break traction. On the dyno, a twin's torque curve almost isn't... it's generally a slightly upward sloping line. A 4-cylinder has a curve that rises steeply to a peak then falls away, usually in a fairly narrow RPM range. It is by far MUCH easier to spin the rear on a 929 or ZX9 than on an RC51, Duc, etc. It's also why I lost the Formula-2 race this weekend to a SV650 twin coming out of the last turn - wheelspin is a real bitch :) Race report soon to follow. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:42:19 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:42:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Coleman, Perry wrote: > I see your point. I guess what I was getting at was that with a > 4-cylinder you have the "curve" to work with. You're not already at > max torque, like with a twin. Actually, the VTR (supposedly one of the torqier sporty twins) builds torque steadily throughout the rev range and has a torque curve that looks similar to its hp curve. Keep the revs below 5k and it's downright docile. A lot of VTR owners go down a tooth on the cs sprocket to combat this docility... I believe the more race oriented twins are tuned to put the torque even higher up the rev range, more like a four. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:45:12 2000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: New England Trip Advice? (was Important Question) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:42:01 -0400 I stand corrected. Clingman's Dome is 6,643 ft. and Mt. Mitchell is 6,684. Clingman's is the highest point on the Appalachian Trail. That's how I got confused. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Allis > I can confirm that Mt Mitchel in North Carolina is the highest point east of > the Missisippi River. I was there two weeks ago. I had a great ride up the > Blue Ridge Parkway all the way from the Smokies. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 14:45:54 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:45:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Paging Danny Thompson!! Paging Danny Thompson!! --============_-1246966981==_ma============ Sorry for the waste of bandwidth folks but.... Danny Thompson! If you would please contact me as soon as possible, I have a question for you. Reach me via email or telephone. Work: (703)-886-7661 Cell: (703)-609-6147 "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va --============_-1246966981==_ma============ GenevaSorry for the waste of bandwidth folks but.... Danny Thompson! If you would please contact me as soon as possible, I have a question for you. Reach me via email or telephone. Work: (703)-886-7661 Cell: (703)-609-6147 "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va --============_-1246966981==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 15:05:02 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:03:53 -0700 Kirk, Actually, the torque "curve" is pretty flat. It depends on what you're comparing it to, I suppose. Here's a dyno graph from the sport-twin site of a VTR before & after adding aftermarket pipes: http://www.sport-twin.com/franklin/hptorque.jpg Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 11:42 AM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Coleman, Perry wrote: > I see your point. I guess what I was getting at was that with a > 4-cylinder you have the "curve" to work with. You're not already at > max torque, like with a twin. Actually, the VTR (supposedly one of the torqier sporty twins) builds torque steadily throughout the rev range and has a torque curve that looks similar to its hp curve. Keep the revs below 5k and it's downright docile. A lot of VTR owners go down a tooth on the cs sprocket to combat this docility... I believe the more race oriented twins are tuned to put the torque even higher up the rev range, more like a four. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 16:05:13 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 16:07:13 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Off-topic X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/01/2000 04:05:02 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/01/2000 04:05:03 PM, Serialize complete at 08/01/2000 04:05:03 PM Last call.... I have 2 tickets to tomorrow's day-game (3:05pm) at Camden Yards... bleacher seats... Section 94 (great afternoon seats). I paid $25 for the 2, and I can't get out of work early tomorrow (esp. since I just gave my 2-weeks today!).... I'll take first offer, I just would hate for NOONE to go to the game. Call me on my cell at (703)622-9482 or at home (703)294-4957 if you are interested in them, and I can drop them off tonight, or during work-hours tomorrow, possibly. -Kristina From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 16:27:03 2000 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: krogish@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Off-topic Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:25:56 -0400 If you just gave your 2 wks, what's *stopping* you from leaving early! Also, go ride -- now! Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Kristina M. Rogish [mailto:krogish@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:07 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Off-topic Last call.... I have 2 tickets to tomorrow's day-game (3:05pm) at Camden Yards... bleacher seats... Section 94 (great afternoon seats). I paid $25 for the 2, and I can't get out of work early tomorrow (esp. since I just gave my 2-weeks today!).... I'll take first offer, I just would hate for NOONE to go to the game. Call me on my cell at (703)622-9482 or at home (703)294-4957 if you are interested in them, and I can drop them off tonight, or during work-hours tomorrow, possibly. -Kristina From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 17:01:12 2000 From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:00:52 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... VTwin in twisties To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 8/1/00 2:08:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX writes: << Good point about the "quick hit" you get with a big-twin. Keep in mind that to ride one smoothly in the twisties tends to require more throttle control than would a 4-cylinder of similar size. In other words, some of the big-twins can be a real handful when you get on the throttle as you're exiting a turn. >> This is not exactly correct. The VTwin is known for giving more tractable power when leaned than a 4 cyl. due to the reduced amount of power pulses turning the rear wheel. Thus on a twin you can get better drives out of corners without worrying so much about losing traction from spinning up the rear wheel like on an R1 or the like. Twins also have alot more engine braking than do 4 cyls so you can scrub off a bit of speed if necessary. The earlier model of TLS (like mine, 97) had some problems with fuel inj. mapping that made the throttle twitchy...maybe that is what you are referring to? Either way, Suzuki has worked out its FI troubles and a 2000 TLS should be a very good choice of steed. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 17:46:07 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:45:50 EDT Subject: Paging Jay St. Peter... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Jay - Can't find your email address, drop me a line or give me a call at 703-370-0102 if you get a chance later. Thanks! - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 18:17:44 2000 From: "Big Matty" To: Subject: Thanks for responses Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:10:30 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFFBE3.C704ED00 Well, thanks to everyone that provided their insights today. I'll try to pass along a "summary" to him. Regarding my last paragraph about overweight/overslow finger-shaking bikers, some of you guys need to lighten the hell up. Try smiling once in a while. It was meant to get a point across in as jokingly a manner as possible. Regarding the bike, it didn't end up all that bad actually. Some busted up fairings and other cosmetic damage but that's it. Not bad considering his helmet has several deep gashes in the side. I don't know exactly what he told the cop, and I don't think he knows either. Glenn, please do email me that phone # if you don't mind and I'll pass it along. It sounds like he's got a pretty good chance of getting out of the ticket OK (other than the cost of the lawyer). It did happen in VA. I'm not sure right now if it was Rappahanock or Fauqier County; it was close to the border along 647. I'll find out. I agree wholeheartedly that it demonstrates the advantages of riding in groups, and holding to strict guidelines. What if those other people hadn't come along and stopped him while he was trying to restart his bike in his daze??? There was just the two of us that day and we didn't hold strictly to general group-riding guidelines; if we had, I would have known to go back for him when I hadn't seen him for a while. This is part of why its so upsetting to me. Well, thanks again for the responses. It is much appreciated. 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The guy has |>injuries, likely hospital bills and a wrecked bike. Can't that be enough of a |>lesson without the cops piling on with a reckless ticket? Perhaps they think |>he'll now feel more served and protected ... I was in a MD courtroom where a lady drove into the bushes. I believe the officer testified, and the judge asked him if he saw the accident, cop said no, the lady got off, without a lawyer. The one good thing though, even though the cop didnt' see the accident and the guy did say what HE THOUGHT happened, the guy had a fresh head injury, and his words can't be too reliable. One guy I know had an accident when he hit a car. Near by was some construction. When someone asked him what happened, he (thought and) replied "a building fell on me", but he has no recollection of anything. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 19:33:57 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:36:29 -0400 From: Larry Meyer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks It doesn't get much press, (especially on this list, where there are only 2) but I love my Bandit 1200. Not exactly a sport bike, but passes for one most of the time. It's a GSXR 1100 motor bored out to 1200 and tuned for midrange. Tons of torque, wheelies like nobody's business if you like that, just all-around fun. The kicker is the ergos - it's more upright than any of the other bikes you've mentioned, which makes all the difference to me. Lack of stress on my back was probably the biggest reason I bought it. If you need more than 100 horses, the bike is easy and cheap to mod. I view the B12 kind of like a 4-cylinder, more upright, larger gas tank Superhawk. If you can wait, the 2001 is supposed to be even better. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 Christopher Weaver wrote: > If you want "rev-happy" then you need a four-cylinder. Period. The twins > don't rev as quickly or to as high a redline as fours. Is this what you mean > by "rev-happy?" > > I own a Superhawk, and I can say that it's more fun than a barrel of > monkeys. It's a twin though, so it makes its monstrous torque (~70 lb-ft) at > the expense of fast revs. It wheelies with no more than twitch of the > wrist - one magazine called it the easiest bike on which to learn how to do > this, FWIW. It has *plenty* of power and speed to keep up with almost anyone > on the road unless you're scraping pegs, exhaust canisters and mirrors on > the asphalt. That said, it's a bit of a guzzler - 120 miles to low fuel > warning light. As little as 100 if you're really caning it. It's pretty > comfortable - I went down to Daytona and back last year and I'm going up to > Maine and back in a few weeks with no alterations to the ergonomics. > > I love my bike, but given your interests, I would suggest the CBR1100xx or a > CBR929rr out of your list. If you want to lean more toward backroad > peg-scraping, pick the 929. If you want long distance comfort more, then get > the xx. What about the ZX9R? That sounds like a good compromise solution > unless you're a Honda-only man. > > Cheers, > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > -----Original Message----- > From: HGerm@XXXXXX [mailto:HGerm@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:35 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks > > After chatting with Laura last evening I have reconfirmed I want another > bike. Life is short, and there are a lot of folks with two bikes, right? > Help me rationalize this - PLEASE. > Requirements > 1. I want a "Rev-happy" engine > 2. I don't want children on 600(s) passing me :) (that's a joke, by the > way...) > 3. I don't want to have to visit a chiropractor (sp?) before and after each > ride (my body is old) > 4. I want a bike that is '"happy" at speed (see number one). > 5. I don't want to have to trade the bike in after a year cause someone got > something better (I know that's a tall order). > Talk to me, people :) > > Observations so far > Thought about the VFR - but wanted a little more displacement. > Thought about the Super Hawk - but will two really do - will big fours blow > by me on the open road? > Thought about the 1100XX - but my favorite dealer is out of them (I don't > want to wait.. should I wait?) > Thought about R1 - but my 39 year old body is very abused and the ERGO(s) > hurt > Thought about the 929 - not sure about the ERGO(s) > > My dealer has in stock a Super Hawk and a 929 - talk to me folks.. I need > help here... //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 19:44:00 2000 From: HGerm@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:43:43 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just got back from the Honda/Suzuki dealer. Got a chance to play around with the GSX1300(Hayabusa), CBR929RR, and the GSX750. Of the three the GSX750 had the most sportsbike orientation - down in front - up in back position. The GSX1300 is a big bike! Much more relaxed then the GSX750, but boy is that tank ever big. Then I got on the CBR929RR.. about as comfortable as the GSX - smaller tank - and lighter. Of the three I liked the feel of the 929... although admittedly all of this was on the dealer's showroom floor... they did not have one available for a test spin. Anybody out there on a 929RR.... anybody with an opinion on the 929RR... Thanks//Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 19:58:54 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 19:58:06 -0400 From: Tim Morrow To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket Matt: > This past saturday I rode with a friend out to Thornton's gap (skyline) and > we had a blast. We tore it up on the rode between The Plains and > Middleburg, along Route 647, and Rte. 55 along the way. A blast was had on > the mountain as well as we both made a point to get rid of any clean areas > along the sides of our tires on those nice curvies... > ...we rode up 647, and as he had been faster than me all day he got out ahead > of me and I lost sight... > ...I come to find out today that he ended up in a ditch... > ... He basically woke up that night while in the MRI machine, > and didn't remember anything after meeting me at 11 that morning. > ... he got a ticket for reckless driving.... > BTW, I can just see all the law-abiding, speed-limit-doing, > overweight/overslow bike riding, members of the list just itching to shoot > off discussion & commentary about how us crazy sportbike riders deserve to > die for the crime of endangering ourselves. Well, here's to hoping for > CONSTRUCTIVE responses (i.e. those that will actually help the situation as > it currently stands.) Hi Matt. Sorry to hear about your friend's accident. I ride a '97 Triumph Speed Triple. I like using *all* of my tires. I also like getting home at the end of my ride, and I like not having to hire lawyers to fight reckless driving charges. So, when I want to *really* rail through the corners, I go to Summit Point or Roebling Road or Daytona International Speedway or Virginia International Raceway or Carolina Motorsports Park and race on the racetrack where racing SHOULD be conducted. I suggest you and your friend (after he recovers both physically and financially) do the same. That's the most constructive response I can offer. One other little thing: If either of you have not yet taken BOTH the MRC:RSS *and* the ERC through the Virginia Rider Training Program, I suggest you do so as soon as practically possible. Tim Morrow -- MSF #21769 CCS Expert #19 http://www.FlaminDucRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 20:06:47 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:05:17 -0400 From: Tim Morrow To: DC Cycles Subject: re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > ... I want another bike... > Requirements > 1. I want a "Rev-happy" engine > 2. I don't want children on 600(s) passing me :) (that's a joke, by the > way...) > 3. I don't want to have to visit a chiropractor (sp?) before and after each > ride (my body is old) > 4. I want a bike that is '"happy" at speed (see number one). > 5. I don't want to have to trade the bike in after a year cause someone got > something better (I know that's a tall order). > Talk to me, people :) Triumph 955 Speed Triple - not the fastest, but the most fun; and comfy. (Yeah, I have one, but I'm totally unbiased... mine is *only* the old 885cc version!) Tim -- http://www.FlaminDucRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 21:03:27 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: HGerm@XXXXXX Cc: Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 03:46:36 GMT |>I would like to meet a cop one day who stops me for speeding while riding who |>says, "look dude, I know you're having a good time but slow it down. On |>behalf of forming better relations between bikers and cops, I am not going to |>give you a ticket. Just be cool dude..." Am I dreaming :) No, it's probably those same cops who see you zipping by who don't bother to pull out and spoil your fun . I got a warning for 90? on route 50 which i think is a 45 mph zone? and a friend of mine got pulled over on 270 for doing 90 through a curve. He had no M class, but the cop let him go and told him to "keep it under 90" hehe. strange eh? From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 21:03:29 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 03:41:12 GMT |>Bullshit. Police put their lives on the line every day to Every day? Do you include the noble "jump out in the fast lane and yell pull over" risking their lives to issue a speeding ticket? Should we be greatful that they take an occupation and don't care too much? |>"Serve and Protect" our lame asses, and what do we do? Put we are lame? dammit! we aren't worth having a convo! hehe |>the handcuffs on the cops, limiting what they can and can't do. Some people should wear handcuffs... and some of those people wear badges. |>I applaud the actions of the police in this matter. They |>deserve laurels, not lawsuits, Daniel. Bravo! I'll be looking forward to seeing what your reponse is to the question preposed "what if that was your sister on the back". I some how can't imagine you telling the surviving family "I'm glad the cops chased them". Remember, we still do not know if the passenger was completely innocent or contributing to the lawbreaking. When the cops are PUNISHING suspects, or RISKING people's lives over only what they know to be a speeding ticket, I think they deserve to sit in the cell next to the criminals they chase. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 21:05:42 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:11:04 GMT |>Well... THAT about falls under the definition of "Irony". |> |>I especially like "Alcohol was also involved". |> |>No helmet and drunk. Sounds like a great way to ride a bike. Not to mention set a wonderful image as a representative for their cause eh? From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 21:06:25 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:11:52 GMT |>> No helmet and drunk. Sounds like a great way to ride a bike. |>It's a wonderful way to ride, lots of fun. Until you crash. |>Why do otherwise normal people do this to themselves? A helmet openent strikes you as otherwise normal? From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 22:03:21 2000 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: GSX-R Microfiche CD Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:57:44 -0400 Well, what a job it turned out to be. But it is done. The GSX-R750 CD is finished. It has all the microfiche images from 1986-2000 US bikes. Ordering instructions are at the EZBoard below. To those waiting, thanks for being patient. Gary Foreman, GSX-R Owners Board http://pub9.ezboard.com/bgsxr750ownersboard fj1100@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 22:11:07 2000 From: "Big Matty" To: Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 22:03:57 -0400 You might want to read the write-ups in Motorcyclist and Cycle World magazines. Both July 2000 issues cover the 929 and compare it to others in its class. That's another thing to think about, is what type of class you're looking for. The 'busas strength is its top end. Would you use it that much? The r1/929's of the world certainly haul ass, but are more suited to twisties than a busa/XX/ZX12r class. Personally I think taking the time to read some magazines would get you the most (objective-type) info the quickest. From there its a matter of what feels right under your ass and coming out of your wallet. -----Original Message----- From: HGerm@XXXXXX [mailto:HGerm@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:44 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Just got back from the Honda/Suzuki dealer. Got a chance to play around with the GSX1300(Hayabusa), CBR929RR, and the GSX750. Of the three the GSX750 had the most sportsbike orientation - down in front - up in back position. The GSX1300 is a big bike! Much more relaxed then the GSX750, but boy is that tank ever big. Then I got on the CBR929RR.. about as comfortable as the GSX - smaller tank - and lighter. Of the three I liked the feel of the 929... although admittedly all of this was on the dealer's showroom floor... they did not have one available for a test spin. Anybody out there on a 929RR.... anybody with an opinion on the 929RR... Thanks//Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 22:35:42 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:35:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION!! To: DC Cycles Tommy G- Lesbianism is about having your biscuit - and eating it too! -Corbett > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > What the hell is the big lesbo fad all about? It > just > > don't make sense to me that it's OK for a woman to > be > > a diver but tabboo for a man to go around > buggering > > the world. > > > > Somebody please clear air, so to speak, and clue > me > > in. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 23:11:04 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:10:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... To: Tansey , DC Cycles ZZZZzzzzZZZZZzzz zz zz Huh?..oh! Um.. (Headline) Helmet-CHOICE Advocate Lives! Uh..Hello, Corbett here. I'm still kickin' Thanks. See ya. Good news is no news. Bad news makes headlines. -Corbett Re: Helmet opponent dies... --- Tansey wrote: > http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/08/01/nohelmet.death.ap/index.html > > Shannon > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 23:18:44 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:18:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... To: DC Cycles OWWW! Hey Moe! You shouldn't hit me in the head - YOU KNOW I'M NOT NORMAL!! Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk - Curly (Three Stooges) --- Dale Horstman wrote: > BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > No helmet and drunk. Sounds like a great way to > ride a bike. > > > It's a wonderful way to ride, lots of fun. Until > you crash. > Why do otherwise normal people do this to > themselves? > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 23:30:34 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:30:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: An accident, a ticket To: "Coleman, Perry" , "'vtrman@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Coleman, Perry" wrote: > Matt, > > My thoughts below... > > Perry > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Big Matty [mailto:vtrman@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 9:25 PM > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: An accident, a ticket > > > >[snip]He basically woke up that night while in the > MRI machine, and didn't > remember anything after > >meeting >me at 11 that morning. > >[snip[He told the cop (apparently) that he was > going along, looked back > over his shoulder (for me) as > >he was getting near the end of that straightway, > and then the curve was > there before he realized it. > > Since he was suffering from a head injury at the > time, I have a feeling that > any statement he made to the cop can be thrown out. > Make sure to have an > appropriate medical evaluation showing that he had a > mild concussion, or > whatever. That should make the lawyer's job a lot > easier. i think the downed rider's statement could be admitted as an either an excited utterance or an admission not good -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 1 23:55:57 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:55:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Someone was paging Jay St. Peter To: DC Cycles Someone was paging Jay St. Peter..was it Roach? Found address on an old post: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX -Corbett '99 K1200RS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 00:43:46 2000 From: SBave@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 00:43:32 EDT Subject: Weekend ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well,...I hate to interrupt the latest interesting threads but... I've decided to help poor Chuck out and lead a ride this weekend. I might be crazy (or it's all this rain) to subject myself to this torture but we'll just have to see what happens. :) I'm leaning to riding on Saturday but if I get more requests for Sunday then I'm flexible... The meeting place will be Winchester Indian off Rt. 81 a couple of miles north of Winchester, VA. If you need directions e-mail me and I'll provide more details. The ride will start at 10:00am. There are gas stations and restaurants nearby for those in need...I'll probably eat breakfast near there if anyone is interested. I'm an old fat guy on a 10 yr old Concours so all you guys on sport bikes should be able to keep up! LOL Seriously, I like to ride fairly quickly so there will be 2 groups or if not too many show up the route provides plenty of places to stop and wait for all to catch up. The route is pretty entertaining (Fred Grefe has ridden on part of it with me) with lots of corners and great scenery. If there is interest we can stop for lunch or dinner at Bryce resort. Another option is for everyone to bring a swimsuit to go for a dip after the ride...I have room in my saddlebags! :) All the usual group stuff applies (ride your own ride!!) Come prepared to have fun...everyone is invited no matter what type of bike you ride. And I have a GPS so I'm sure I'll keep up the tradition of making a few wrong turns! :) Please let me know who is interested and which day you prefer...so far the weather looks better for Saturday. Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 07:55:31 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 04:55:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket To: Tim Morrow , DC Cycles Your right that taking riding courses is an excellent suggestion but I'm really getting sick and tired of the "take it to the track" attitude as ALWAYS being the ONLY way to do ANY aggressive riding. Not everybody wants to be on the damn race track including myself. I'm not saying to go out and be a hooligan on the streets and I'm not saying to go out and ride 10/10ths on the street either but YOU can go out on the streets have a great time riding fairly aggressively without riding around the same old boring ride like a race track. just my .02 (flame suit ready) Glenn --- Tim Morrow wrote: > > Hi Matt. Sorry to hear about your friend's accident. > I ride a '97 > Triumph Speed Triple. I like using *all* of my > tires. I also like > getting home at the end of my ride, and I like not > having to hire > lawyers to fight reckless driving charges. So, when > I want to *really* > rail through the corners, I go to Summit Point or > Roebling Road or > Daytona International Speedway or Virginia > International Raceway or > Carolina Motorsports Park and race on the racetrack > where racing SHOULD > be conducted. I suggest you and your friend (after > he recovers both > physically and financially) do the same. That's the > most constructive > response I can offer. > > One other little thing: If either of you have not > yet taken BOTH the > MRC:RSS *and* the ERC through the Virginia Rider > Training Program, I > suggest you do so as soon as practically possible. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:00:34 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:00:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: Tim Morrow , DC Cycles Don't know which year you have but I rode a Speed Triple a couple years ago down in Princeton, WV when DC Cycles had a weekend trip down there and no offense but the Speed Triple has the twitcyest front end I've ever seen on any street bike I've been on. I know list member that will agree with me how loose that front end was. After the 20 or 30 miles I rode the bike I was more then happy to give the bike back and get back on my bike. Glenn --- Tim Morrow wrote: Triumph 955 Speed Triple - not the fastest, but the > most fun; and comfy. > > (Yeah, I have one, but I'm totally unbiased... mine > is *only* the old > 885cc version!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:10:15 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:10:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: HGerm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sixy (I guess that's your name?), I really like the 929. Zbig on the list has one I had the great opportunity to ride it from the US 220 / US 33 intersection in WV to Petersburg, WV. A very nice machine in every aspect. Handles extremely well, great power and the biggest brake rotors I've ever seen on the front of a bike. If I were going out and buying a new bike it would be hard to pass that one by. Glenn --- HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > Just got back from the Honda/Suzuki dealer. Got a > chance to play around with > the GSX1300(Hayabusa), CBR929RR, and the GSX750. Of > the three the GSX750 had > the most sportsbike orientation - down in front - up > in back position. The > GSX1300 is a big bike! Much more relaxed then the > GSX750, but boy is that > tank ever big. Then I got on the CBR929RR.. about > as comfortable as the GSX > - smaller tank - and lighter. Of the three I liked > the feel of the 929... > although admittedly all of this was on the dealer's > showroom floor... they > did not have one available for a test spin. > > Anybody out there on a 929RR.... anybody with an > opinion on the 929RR... > Thanks//Sixy// __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:11:25 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:12:30 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Jeannette Zell Subject: The Swim Home Anyone else get the pleasure of swimming home last night? I think I caught the worst of the downpour, 'cause as I was pulling onto my street, it slowed to a trickle. : ( I have great timing. You know how it can be fun to drive through a big puddle in your car? Not so on a bike. No, I didn't do it on purpose. ; ) I was cruising along, trying to avoid getting mashed by all the drivers who for some reason think 15 mph on Rt. 50 is needed during any sort of rain when I hit a puddle. I literally got SOAKED. It felt like I had hit a small wave in the ocean. My docs were dripping when I got home! I had to peel the layers of leather and clothes off. Yuck. Side note - This may sound stupid, but I'd never ridden through a puddle of standing water before on my bike. My bike didn't seem to lose traction or anything, but normally this would not be good, right? Avoid puddles, correct? Thanks. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:15:44 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:15:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Non moto... Those Camera's To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For those of you who love those red light cameras as much as I do check out this link. It seems this camera is for speeders. I guess its just a mater of time before we have these too. http://PassThisOn.com/ticket/?t=bobby+and+frank&f=Fern __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:47:20 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:47:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Non moto... Those Camera's (Delete now if you don't want to read non-moto related flamage) First, I /really/ hate sites that open new windows after you view the first page and the close your browser. If you're going to post a url that points to a site that does crap like that, please give some warning. ALSO, some people have oppressive regimes where they work, which frown upon "inappropriate" content. I consider it courteous to include some sort of warning with a URL that points such content... just say something like `May not be "work safe"' On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:15:35 -0700 (PDT) > From: Glenn Dysart > Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Non moto... Those Camera's > > For those of you who love those red light cameras as > much as I do check out this link. It seems this > camera is for speeders. I guess its just a mater of > time before we have these too. > > http://PassThisOn.com/ticket/?t=bobby+and+frank&f=Fern > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:51:30 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:51:20 -0400 From: Tim Morrow To: dysart@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Glenn Dysart wrote: > Don't know which year you have but I rode a Speed > Triple a couple years ago down in Princeton, WV when > DC Cycles had a weekend trip down there and no offense > but the Speed Triple has the twitcyest front end I've > ever seen on any street bike I've been on. I know > list member that will agree with me how loose that > front end was. After the 20 or 30 miles I rode the > bike I was more then happy to give the bike back and > get back on my bike. Perhaps it was the particular example that you had occasion to ride? I've ridden several, and never had any problems with the front-end being planted, stable, and predictable. Yes, you have more leverage on the bars than you do with narrow, low clip-ons, but that doesn't make the front-end twitchy unless you continue to apply the same amount of muscle into the wider, taller bar that you would into clip-ons. I've also never read any reviews in the American or British press about any unusual twitchiness in the T509's front-end. It is, after all, the same fork as the Honda CBR900RR with a 17" front wheel instead of the 16" front wheel that the CBR900RR had. In fact, I've known people who have switched their CBR900RR wheel to a 17" size in order to "slow down" the steering of their RR. Also, tire choice has a great deal of influence on how the front end feels. A Dunlop D207 (*especially* the GP version, which I run on my EX500 racebike) has a much more triangular profile than a Bridgestone BT56SS, for example, and will "fall into" turns much more quickly than many other tires. If the bike you rode was so equipped, and you came off a bike with more weight on the front end, and less leverage on the bars, that might explain why the bike felt so strange. But to the best of my knowledge, there is nothing inherently twitchy or out of the range of "normal" sportbike steering dynamics that is endemic to the Speed Triple. Tim -- nttp://www.FlaminDucRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:53:51 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:45:22 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Jeannette Zell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: The Swim Home You're right, puddles should be avoided because one never knows what lurks beneath the water. The daddy of all potholes? Very possible. Not to mention a serious water blast could blow you right off the bike. But traction shouldn't be a problem. The shape and narrow width of a motorcycle tire isn't the greatest for *surfing* AKA hydroplaning. Plus, hydroplaning is directly related to tire air pressure - the more the better - and cycles usually run PSI above 35. Note: for those of you in cages multiply the square root of your tire pressure by 10 and that gives you an approximate hydroplaning speed with FRESH rubber. Bill Jeannette Zell wrote: > Anyone else get the pleasure of swimming home last night? > I think I caught the worst of the downpour, 'cause as I was pulling onto my > street, it slowed to a trickle. : ( > I have great timing. > You know how it can be fun to drive through a big puddle in your car? > Not so on a bike. No, I didn't do it on purpose. ; ) > I was cruising along, trying to avoid getting mashed by all the drivers who > for some reason think 15 mph on Rt. 50 is needed during any sort of rain > when I hit a puddle. I literally got SOAKED. It felt like I had hit a > small wave in the ocean. My docs were dripping when I got home! I had to > peel the layers of leather and clothes off. Yuck. > > Side note - This may sound stupid, but I'd never ridden through a puddle of > standing water before on my bike. My bike didn't seem to lose traction or > anything, but normally this would not be good, right? > Avoid puddles, correct? > > Thanks. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:54:56 2000 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: jzell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Swim Home Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:53:44 -0400 I had the audacity to think the deluge would pass, hopping my bike and heading out onto GW Parkway towards Alexandria. Cars really were acting like idiots, though, as if they couldn't handle driving through a half-foot of water. Coming around the Memorial Bridge access onto GW, all the cars were in the right-hand lane, crawling along. I went through the left-lane at about 15-20 mph, zipping past all the cages. GW Parkway was a mess, with standing puddles everywhere. I just tried to take it easy and try to avoid breaking situations. Going straight was no problem at all. Got splashed pretty hard by some of the traffic going in the opposite direction, but once I passed National Airport, the storm was over and there were blue skies and dry roads. When I got home my fiancee was wondering why I was drenched when it was such a nice day out. I told her I hit some puddles . . . It looks like it might be time for some new rain slicks. I think there's a hole in the crotch of my rain pants, and when I took off them off, it had looked like I had wet my pants. Now conditions weren't THAT bad! Bests, Erik P.S. It didn't really come to it, but in extrely deep puddles, it is a good idea to keep you revs high (toggling speed with the clutch) to avoid water getting in your pipes and then into your engine. When I was in the middle of the storm, it seemd this might become necceasry. Luckily, it didn't. -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Zell [mailto:jzell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 8:13 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: The Swim Home Anyone else get the pleasure of swimming home last night? I think I caught the worst of the downpour, 'cause as I was pulling onto my street, it slowed to a trickle. : ( I have great timing. You know how it can be fun to drive through a big puddle in your car? Not so on a bike. No, I didn't do it on purpose. ; ) I was cruising along, trying to avoid getting mashed by all the drivers who for some reason think 15 mph on Rt. 50 is needed during any sort of rain when I hit a puddle. I literally got SOAKED. It felt like I had hit a small wave in the ocean. My docs were dripping when I got home! I had to peel the layers of leather and clothes off. Yuck. Side note - This may sound stupid, but I'd never ridden through a puddle of standing water before on my bike. My bike didn't seem to lose traction or anything, but normally this would not be good, right? Avoid puddles, correct? Thanks. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 08:58:09 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Selection help needed... VTwin in twisties Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:56:02 -0700 Jack, Maybe that's what I'm thinking of. I know that I've read about every article ever written about them, as I was (am still somewhat) interested in a big-twin sport bike. However, I've got about 20 years of riding liter-class fours, so I'm used to that power delivery. Perry -----Original Message----- From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX [mailto:GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 5:01 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... VTwin in twisties [snip] >The earlier model of TLS (like mine, 97) had some problems with fuel inj. mapping >that made the throttle twitchy...maybe that is what you are referring to? From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 09:02:08 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 09:01:54 -0400 From: Tim Morrow To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: An accident, a ticket Glenn Dysart wrote: > Your right that taking riding courses is an excellent > suggestion but I'm really getting sick and tired of > the "take it to the track" attitude as ALWAYS being > the ONLY way to do ANY aggressive riding. Not > everybody wants to be on the damn race track including > myself. I'm not saying to go out and be a hooligan on > the streets and I'm not saying to go out and ride > 10/10ths on the street either but YOU can go out on > the streets have a great time riding fairly > aggressively without riding around the same old boring > ride like a race track. Oh, I didn't say that the race track was the only place for spirited, sporting riding. I did mention that I like using *all* of the tire on my street bike. What I did say was that when I really want to *rail* through the corners, I do so on the ractrack. With the performance envelope of modern motorcycles, you simply cannot explore the limits with any degree of safety on the public roads. If you're content to ride well within the limits of your bike, the road, and the environment, there is no reason at all to go to the track. Even while riding at a sporting pace that would probably appall a "civilian" on-looker, a good rider can ride on the street well within all those limits (while, I might add, obliterating any and all posted speed limits). However, when you crash on the street, I think you have a responsibility (if to no one else, than at least to yourself) to consider the possibility that perhaps you exceeded the limits of your bike, your own personal limits, or the limits of the environment in which you were riding. It's very seldom that experienced riders have solo street accidents while riding within themselves. Note that I didn't say it *never* happens - because it can and does - but it is extremely rare. So, taking a class in an attempt to become a better rider would seem to me to be an appropriate response to a single vehicle street crash. So would going to the track for sport bike days, track days, road racing school, or to race, if you feel that there is no way to enjoy your high performance motorcycle on the street without pushing *its* envelope - which is significantly higher than that of most riders and most public roads. Another appropriate response would be to slow the hell down while riding on the street, but I just don't see that option pursued or discussed much! Tim -- MSF #21769 CCS Expert #19 http://www.FlaminDucRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 09:04:19 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:04:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: The Swim Home On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Jeannette Zell wrote: > Side note - This may sound stupid, but I'd never ridden through a > puddle of standing water before on my bike. My bike didn't seem to > lose traction or anything, but normally this would not be good, right? > Avoid puddles, correct? Avoid the puddles if you can. However, if you have no choice then stand up, get your weight back, and stay on the throttle. This will give you the greatest margin of safety (since you can't see what's at the bottom of the puddle). You can avoid getting soaked by wheelying through the puddle. :) Well, it works on the dirtbike, anyway... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 09:18:00 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 06:17:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks To: Tim Morrow , dysart@XXXXXX, DC Cycles The bike I rode had some flavor of the Bridgestone BT tires. They may have been the earlier BT-56, don't remember. I've also riden a couple 900 RR's and never experience this problem. Maybe it was just this particular bike but somehow I don't beleive so. Glenn --- Tim Morrow wrote: > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > Don't know which year you have but I rode a Speed > > Triple a couple years ago down in Princeton, WV > when > > DC Cycles had a weekend trip down there and no > offense > > but the Speed Triple has the twitcyest front end > I've > > ever seen on any street bike I've been on. I know > > list member that will agree with me how loose that > > front end was. After the 20 or 30 miles I rode > the > > bike I was more then happy to give the bike back > and > > get back on my bike. > > Perhaps it was the particular example that you had > occasion to ride? I've ridden several, and never had > any problems with the front-end being planted, > stable, > and predictable. Yes, you have more leverage on the > bars than you do with narrow, low clip-ons, but that > doesn't make the front-end twitchy unless you > continue > to apply the same amount of muscle into the wider, > taller > bar that you would into clip-ons. > > I've also never read any reviews in the American or > British press about any unusual twitchiness in the > T509's > front-end. It is, after all, the same fork as the > Honda > CBR900RR with a 17" front wheel instead of the 16" > front > wheel that the CBR900RR had. In fact, I've known > people > who have switched their CBR900RR wheel to a 17" size > in > order to "slow down" the steering of their RR. > > Also, tire choice has a great deal of influence on > how > the front end feels. A Dunlop D207 (*especially* the > GP > version, which I run on my EX500 racebike) has a > much more > triangular profile than a Bridgestone BT56SS, for > example, > and will "fall into" turns much more quickly than > many > other tires. If the bike you rode was so equipped, > and > you came off a bike with more weight on the front > end, > and less leverage on the bars, that might explain > why > the bike felt so strange. > > But to the best of my knowledge, there is nothing > inherently > twitchy or out of the range of "normal" sportbike > steering > dynamics that is endemic to the Speed Triple. > > Tim > -- > nttp://www.FlaminDucRacing.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 09:29:36 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:29:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Tim Morrow wrote: > I've also never read any reviews in the American or > British press about any unusual twitchiness in the T509's > front-end. Bill's bike (the one Glenn rode) was the original Speed Triple, not a T509. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 09:33:29 2000 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: The Swim Home Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:33:51 -0400 I rode out I-66 west from Georgetown around 5:30 last night and rode through the worst of it. I saw riders huddled under all the overpasses. The one huge overpass around Fairfax Drive had 5 or 6 riders waiting, they all appeared to have tried to get home in shirt sleeves, 'cause they had no jackets. I must have looked pretty funny in my bright blue and orange First Gear rainsuit, but I had to get to NT class and since I'm paying through the nose for it, I didn't let a few droplets of moisture get in the way. Traffic came to a halt so I got off I-66 and went on Rt. 29 instead, got back on I-66 after Sycamore where the pace picked up considerably. I tend to be careful of the puddles, but more so of my panic instinct. Grabbing too much brake or swerving too hard is more of a concern, just leave plenty of time and space to react. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Zell [mailto:jzell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 8:13 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: The Swim Home Anyone else get the pleasure of swimming home last night? I think I caught the worst of the downpour, 'cause as I was pulling onto my street, it slowed to a trickle. : ( I have great timing. You know how it can be fun to drive through a big puddle in your car? Not so on a bike. No, I didn't do it on purpose. ; ) I was cruising along, trying to avoid getting mashed by all the drivers who for some reason think 15 mph on Rt. 50 is needed during any sort of rain when I hit a puddle. I literally got SOAKED. It felt like I had hit a small wave in the ocean. My docs were dripping when I got home! I had to peel the layers of leather and clothes off. Yuck. Side note - This may sound stupid, but I'd never ridden through a puddle of standing water before on my bike. My bike didn't seem to lose traction or anything, but normally this would not be good, right? Avoid puddles, correct? Thanks. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 09:46:29 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 09:47:37 -0400 To: , "'DC Cycles'" From: Jeannette Zell Subject: RE: The Swim Home Yeah, thanks, that's what I try to avoid the most too. If there weren't so many idiot cage drivers, my rides home during rain would go pretty smoothly! If they'd just keep moving, I'd be fine! Luckily I've ridden in the rain enough that it doesn't bother me. I'd love to be a fly on the wall as I pass some of those cars, though! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 09:33 AM 8/2/00 -0400, Cedric Bernescut wrote: Grabbing >too much brake or swerving too hard is more of a concern, just leave plenty >of time and space to react. >Cedric From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 09:51:40 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Jeannette Zell" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: The Swim Home Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:50:07 -0700 I lucked out compared to the other folks who responded. I left work a little early and got home literally two MINUTES before the deluge started. I barely had time to put the bike cover on and make a break for the house. Except for a slight sprinkle while on the beltway, I didn't have to ride through any of that storm. I rode in to work today too, though, so all this goes with a big KNOCK ON WOOD. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Zell [mailto:jzell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 5:13 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: The Swim Home Anyone else get the pleasure of swimming home last night? I think I caught the worst of the downpour, 'cause as I was pulling onto my street, it slowed to a trickle. : ( I have great timing. You know how it can be fun to drive through a big puddle in your car? Not so on a bike. No, I didn't do it on purpose. ; ) I was cruising along, trying to avoid getting mashed by all the drivers who for some reason think 15 mph on Rt. 50 is needed during any sort of rain when I hit a puddle. I literally got SOAKED. It felt like I had hit a small wave in the ocean. My docs were dripping when I got home! I had to peel the layers of leather and clothes off. Yuck. Side note - This may sound stupid, but I'd never ridden through a puddle of standing water before on my bike. My bike didn't seem to lose traction or anything, but normally this would not be good, right? Avoid puddles, correct? Thanks. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 09:57:29 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 06:57:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: The Swim Home To: Jeannette Zell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I agree with Kirk that if you can't avoid the standing water ... get off the seat and be prepared for sticks-pot holes ect.. I think the most dangerous is high speed in standing water - causing hydroplaning - so i make sure i am going slow through standing water. Here is the formula to figure out.. at what speed your tires will start hydroplaning for airplanes.... you can use it for motorcycles as well i guess... 9 times square root of tire pressure per 1/10 of Viscous(standing water only - not for slush, rubber reversal, ect...) I needed a shower anyways yesterday..... and i got a good one going home. I got to get better and get a continous wheelie for the whole trip home!! --- Kirk Roy wrote: > On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Jeannette Zell wrote: > > Side note - This may sound stupid, but I'd never > ridden through a > > puddle of standing water before on my bike. My > bike didn't seem to > > lose traction or anything, but normally this would > not be good, right? > > Avoid puddles, correct? > > Avoid the puddles if you can. However, if you have > no choice then stand > up, get your weight back, and stay on the throttle. > This will give you the > greatest margin of safety (since you can't see > what's at the bottom of the > puddle). You can avoid getting soaked by wheelying > through the puddle. :) > Well, it works on the dirtbike, anyway... > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 > (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 > (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: > http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 10:00:05 2000 From: "Thomas_Zell" To: Subject: Re: Non moto... Those Camera's Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:04:27 -0400 Hey.. I hate those sites, too, however, I'm smarter than the average bear so I have already "stolen" the pic. If anyone wnats it I can send out copies! :-) Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Brown" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 8:47 AM Subject: Re: Non moto... Those Camera's > > > (Delete now if you don't want to read non-moto related flamage) > > > > First, I /really/ hate sites that open new windows after you view the first page > and the close your browser. If you're going to post a url that points to > a site that does crap like that, please give some warning. > > ALSO, some people have oppressive regimes where they work, which frown upon > "inappropriate" content. I consider it courteous to include some sort of > warning with a URL that points such content... just say something like > `May not be "work safe"' > > > > > On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:15:35 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Glenn Dysart > > Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Non moto... Those Camera's > > > > For those of you who love those red light cameras as > > much as I do check out this link. It seems this > > camera is for speeders. I guess its just a mater of > > time before we have these too. > > > > http://PassThisOn.com/ticket/?t=bobby+and+frank&f=Fern > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 10:05:24 2000 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: The Swim Home Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:05:58 -0400 You should have seen the looks on the faces of my fellow class members. They are all getting paid overtime to attend the course, which of course is paid for by their employers and they got to school in their new SUV's, whilst this member of the angry proletariat surfed over to class on his used CBR. Oops, was that a rant? Rain doesn't bother me either, though I did learn the hard way once that my First Gear jacket will bleed like Roger Corman movie all over my nice dress shirt and tie unless I wear a rainsuit over it. My gloves did leave me with black hands, though. Luckily I've ridden in the rain enough that it doesn't bother me. I'd love to be a fly on the wall as I pass some of those cars, though! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 09:33 AM 8/2/00 -0400, Cedric Bernescut wrote: Grabbing >too much brake or swerving too hard is more of a concern, just leave plenty >of time and space to react. >Cedric From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 10:16:49 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:17:56 -0400 To: , "'DC Cycles'" From: Jeannette Zell Subject: RE: The Swim Home LOL, I had black hands, too! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 10:05 AM 8/2/00 -0400, Cedric Bernescut wrote: My gloves did leave me with black hands, though. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 10:40:56 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:39:58 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet opponent dies... daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > |>> No helmet and drunk. Sounds like a great way to ride a bike. > |>It's a wonderful way to ride, lots of fun. Until you crash. > |>Why do otherwise normal people do this to themselves? > > A helmet openent strikes you as otherwise normal? Well, yeah. Most of them do like motorcycles otherwise. That's normal to me. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 10:55:37 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:54:46 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > I'll be looking forward to seeing what your reponse is to the question > preposed "what if that was your sister on the back". If my sister was part of the drug-using, bike-stealing, cop-running crowd, my response would be the same. Actually, if I had known she was knowingly riding around on stolen bikes, I'd have turned her in myself. Now if she was stupid enough to hang around with a drug-using, bike-stealing, cop-running bastard, and was killed in a subsequent chase while only being guilty of bad judgement, yes I would be saddened. But I still could not hold the police responsible for *HER* bad judgement. > I some how can't imagine you telling the surviving family "I'm glad the > cops chased them". Remember, we still do not know if the passenger was > completely innocent or contributing to the lawbreaking. No, but I suspect the families involved probably have some indication. > When the cops are PUNISHING suspects, or RISKING people's lives over > only what they know to be a speeding ticket, But it seems to me that the majority of folks who run from cops have some *reason* to run, i.e. more serious crimes they are trying to hide, etc. It certainly was the case here. I'm all for the police to try to bring these thugs to justice. I simply cannot understand why you folks are angry at the police for putting folks in danger when it's the perps who are running are the real reason for the high speed chase in the first place. If they pull over, no chase. If they run, the cops *must* follow, IMO. The rider and his now dead passenger are not victims here, people! Horkster, lone staunch defender of the men & women in blue, apparently -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 11:00:09 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:59:46 -0400 From: Dave Yates CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: The Swim Home Jeannette Zell wrote: > > Anyone else get the pleasure of swimming home last night? Missed a dip in the pool as I comically 'raced the rain clouds' home last night ;-) Leaving NIH, heading east well, east in a roundabout fashion. The clouds were ominous, but I work early, get off early & beat all the rainfall :-) Hot in the 'stich tho... > I think I caught the worst of the downpour, 'cause as I was pulling onto my > street, it slowed to a trickle. : ( > I have great timing. By beating the rain yesterday, I've upset the Karmic balance, and now I am destined to be poured on very soon... Probably Friday PM, the worst possible time... Perhaps I can tip the Karmic scales in my favor - let minivans in front of me today & tommorrow... > You know how it can be fun to drive through a big puddle in your car? Uhh, no. It's a Mustang, she hates water... > Not so on a bike. No, I didn't do it on purpose. ; ) > I was cruising along, trying to avoid getting mashed by all the drivers who > for some reason think 15 mph on Rt. 50 is needed during any sort of rain > when I hit a puddle. At least when it snows, some people have the common sense to stay home... Perhaps rain should be classified as 'inclement weather' around here ;-) I literally got SOAKED. It felt like I had hit a > small wave in the ocean. My docs were dripping when I got home! I had to > peel the layers of leather and clothes off. Yuck. Well, so did I - no matter how the ride goes, the stich doesn't flow enough air over say, 85f . > > Side note - This may sound stupid, but I'd never ridden through a puddle of > standing water before on my bike. My bike didn't seem to lose traction or > anything, but normally this would not be good, right? right. > Avoid puddles, correct? Since you can't see the bottom, I'd say yes... Nothing like finding out that puddle hides a wheel ruining, tire flattening, frame jolting, bone jarring pot hole... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 11:09:36 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:09:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION!! To: Corbett B , DC Cycles --- Corbett B wrote: > Tommy G- > > Lesbianism is about having your biscuit - and eating > it too! hmmm....if i had my own biscuit to take care of, i think i'd be repulsed at the thought of eating anyone else's > > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > What the hell is the big lesbo fad all about? > > > It just don't make sense to me that it's OK for a > > > woman be a diver but tabboo for a man to go > > > around buggering the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 11:20:31 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 11:19:41 -0400 From: Randy Moran CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Hey Dale, I haven't thrown my .02 in on this particular thread simply because I figure people have already read enough about how I feel about the whole "cops and who's in the wrong when someone dies in a police chase" scenario. But, just so you know and don't feel like the last Mohican, I am in total agreement with you on this one...So buck up, little camper! Randy Dale Horstman wrote: > Horkster, lone staunch defender of the men & women in blue, apparently From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 11:27:54 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: HGerm@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Selection help needed... please read.. Thanks Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:32:50 GMT |>Anybody out there on a 929RR.... anybody with an opinion on the 929RR... A friend of mine had one and sold it. He already has a souped up R1 so.. it's not like he sold it out of dissapointment. He only bought it to play with it, and if it happened to outperform stock r1's in speed/ power, he would have kept it. Anyway, he said it was the best handling bike he's ever owned. I think he also said it was prone to headshake (being so light), you'd want a steering dampener. Coincidentally, the new buyer, took it onto a road with mondo bumps because it was being repaved (military road in dc i think), and ended up laying it down. Supposedly he had a lot of headshake before he came off of it. (he hit 2 of those bumps). If you would like a horse of mouth description, discussion, i'm sure he'd be more than willing to give you his full impression and answer your questions. Reply off list if you're interested and I'll give you his email address. I'm not sure if he's online today though. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 12:00:27 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 19:05:18 GMT |>> When the cops are PUNISHING suspects, or RISKING people's lives over |>> only what they know to be a speeding ticket, |> |>But it seems to me that the majority of folks who run from cops have |>some *reason* to run, i.e. more serious crimes they are trying to |>hide, etc. It certainly was the case here. I'm all for the police |>to try to bring these thugs to justice. Most of the bikes that elude police are probably properly owned yet would not want the consequences of being caught doing 140+ mph. I don't think motorcycles are the choice ride of murderers or those trying to transport pounds and pounds of contraband. Most of the runners I know have jobs, and have registered vehicles and aren't thugs at all. It's one thing to chase a single occupant bike on an empty road. It's quite different to chase one who has a passenger. It's kind of like storming a house, or storming a house with hostages. you have to be careful. . |>I simply cannot understand why you folks are angry at the police |>for putting folks in danger when it's the perps who are running |>are the real reason for the high speed chase in the first place. Poor wording? You just said the police put the folks in danger. Do you subcounsciously agree? or I guess i'm just playing semantics.. High speed persuits injure people, and damage property. Some of us just would rather not have these outcomes be risked merely because of speeding. |>If they pull over, no chase. If they run, the cops *must* follow, |>IMO. The rider and his now dead passenger are not victims here, people! The passenger may be a victim. That is yet to be determined. If the passenger didn't have the option of choosing to pull over and disengage the chase, and would have done such if s/he could, then the passenger may very well be the victim. The rider is mostly to blame, but the cop also is partially to blame for engaging the rider to continue to ride beyond his limits. |>Horkster, lone staunch defender of the men & women in blue, apparently Why defend bad judgement/ policy. If you really care about, and support cops, you shouldn't be wanting them to risk their lives with high speed persuits merely for what they observe to be speeders. Remember, innocent people die when emergency vehicles have accidents. I support police officers conducting themselves in a professional manner. Playing cops and robbers chase em down till they crash (and or beat em) doesn't qualify as that. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 12:23:25 2000 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:30:14 -0400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 The Horkster Wrote: Horkster, lone staunch defender of the men & women in blue, apparently No, you're not the only one. Just the most vocal :) I've said it before and I'll say it again: You run from the cops and you deserve a MINIMUM of a good ass-kickin' if you get caught. My uncle says that is what stopped him from street-racing hot rods back in the 60s. Every time he got caught, the cops would kick his ass and send him home. No tickets, no jail, just bloody noses and bruises. IMO, the cops have to chase people who run. Otherwise, everyone will just run. Yep, some people are going to get killed or hurt in the process, but the alternative is that the cops just watch everyone run. If I knew for a FACT that the cops weren't going to give chase, I'd sure haul ass instead of getting a ticket. But, I don't because I don't want to endanger my life and a cops/others. I also usually deserve the ticket. I think that cops are generally good people who are just doing their job. I don't think they particularly enjoy traffic duty (at least not the ones I know). On the other hand, I have gotten a ticket for fleeing when I had no clue that a cop was behind me. Much like the Loudoun 9, I was at a stop light with a buddy (Rt. 7 near Leesburg, hmmmm Loudoun). We were sitting there for about 30 seconds, just shootin' the s**t, when a cop car came ripping up the shoulder and pulled in front of us. The cop got out screaming about how he'd been chasing us blah, blah, blah. Reality was, we'd never gone over 80, we were keeping a steady 75 or so. We had ridden about 400 miles and were dead tired. We were both just lying on the tanks trying to get home. I think he took so long to get out of his hiding spot that he had to really haul ass to catch us. There were about 10 cars behind us at the light between us and him. Guy was an a**hole. So ... I guess the ass-kicking rule wouldn't be prudent after all :). Jay St. Peter PS: we beat it in court without a lawyer. From reckless and fleeing to plain ol speeding. I think the judge thought that cop was an a**hole as well. Please, you don't stop at a red light if you're running from the cops. The judge had been hangin everyone that day, we thought for sure we were going to spend some time in jail. Also, is it just me or does it seem like every 3rd car in Leesburg is a cop? Does a small quiet town like Leesburg really need that many cops? From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 12:34:38 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:34:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies At 12:30 PM 8/2/00 , Jay St. Peter wrote: >Also, is it just me or does it seem like every 3rd car in Leesburg is a cop? Its every other car and every third motorcycle Jay. >Does a small quiet town like Leesburg really need that many cops? To stop the massive horse thieve rings. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 12:38:31 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:38:25 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Helmet opponent dies in helmet-less motorcycle accident Helmet opponent dies in helmet-less motorcycle accident The Associated Press 8/1/00 6:36 AM http://www.nj.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?a0503_BC_BRF--NoHelmet-Death&&news&newsflash-national FORT MYERS, Fla. (AP) -- A motorcycling enthusiast who applauded the state's new helmet-free law has died as a result of a motorcycle accident in which she wasn't wearing a helmet. Dorthy Lynette Rushton, 40, smashed her Harley-Davidson early Saturday morning and was thrown more than 50 feet. She died Monday from injuries she sustained in the crash. Rushton probably would have survived had she been wearing a helmet, said Florida Highway Patrol Cpl. John Schultz. He said alcohol was a factor but the lack of a helmet "greatly" contributed to her injuries. Gov. Jeb Bush last month signed into law a measure to let motorcyclists age 21 and older ride without helmets if they carry $10,000 in insurance. It took effect July 1. Friends said motorcycle riding was Rushton's passion -- especially without a helmet. "Lyn wanted to do what she could, even in her death," close friend Kristi Piscitelli said. "She knew this could happen." Copyright 2000 Associated Press. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 13:02:22 2000 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:10:20 -0400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 Mike Troutman wrote: >>Does a small quiet town like Leesburg really need that many cops? >To stop the massive horse thieve rings. Yeah, they should hang those guys or something :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 13:10:10 2000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:09:56 -0400 From: Dave Paper To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Jay St. Peter wrote: > > Mike Troutman wrote: > > >>Does a small quiet town like Leesburg really need that many cops? > > >To stop the massive horse thieve rings. > > Yeah, they should hang those guys or something :) nah, they need all of the cops to enforce the change in speed limit from 55 to 25 in a matter of like 100 ft (Rt 7 westbound entering leesburg). -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Database Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no accident "user" is a 4 letter word --KV From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 13:11:21 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:17:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:25:29 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Why not just do a combined "The Men and Women of DC Cycles" Calendar? I say we have a pool party somewhere. (snip) Anyone have a pool and want to volunteer it one weekend? Scooter I don't have a pool but I have another offer that involves swimsuits! How about tubing on the Shenendoah River this Sunday? The forecast looks good so far. http://www.rivertrail.com/tube.html I was thinking about a nice ride up to the Harpers Ferry area and meeting for either the 1 PM session or the 3 PM session. Is anyone else interested? Since I am on the digest please reply back to me directly so I may get an idea of how many people are interested. I might want to warn them that a biker gang on 'rocket bikes' might show up ;) '95 VFR Lisa From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 13:19:37 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:19:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies At 01:09 PM 8/2/00 , Dave Paper wrote: >nah, they need all of the cops to enforce the change in speed limit from >55 to 25 in a matter of like 100 ft (Rt 7 westbound entering leesburg). A friend and I were exiting Leesburg at a slightly higher than normal rate of speed last summer when a motorcycle cop came flying up behind us with his siren and lights blazing. We pull over, shut down, and he walks up and tells us to remove our helmets. We do. He then hands us a flyer advertising the upcoming poker run. We were so relieved that we actually went on the poker run ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 13:48:23 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:53:52 -0700 From: Chuck Pena To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Aha! Proof that not all cops suck or are assholes (some people's opinions to the contrary!) I can only say that my one (and only one) encounter with law enforcement while riding a m/c was a "good one". He could've nailed me for doubling the speed limit. But he made it clear that he didn't have a hard-on for motorcycles, rode a motorcycle himself, and was more than happy to sit by the side of the rode and shoot the breeze about motorcycles with me for about 10-15 minutes. Lucky, huh? But it certainly would've been 100% my fault with no excuses and no one else to blame had I gotten a ticket. Horkster - FYI, I defend the boyz in blue when I think they're right and doing their job properly (which I believe largely to be the case in the instance that started this whole thread), but will be the first to be critical of them when I think they're in the wrong. Skittles Troutman wrote: > > At 01:09 PM 8/2/00 , Dave Paper wrote: > >nah, they need all of the cops to enforce the change in speed limit from > >55 to 25 in a matter of like 100 ft (Rt 7 westbound entering leesburg). > > A friend and I were exiting Leesburg at a slightly higher than normal rate > of speed last summer when a motorcycle cop came flying up behind us with > his siren and lights blazing. We pull over, shut down, and he walks up and > tells us to remove our helmets. We do. He then hands us a flyer > advertising the upcoming poker run. We were so relieved that we actually > went on the poker run ;-) > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 13:50:04 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:49:15 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: "Jay St. Peter" CC: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > > >To stop the massive horse thieve rings. > > Yeah, they should hang those guys or something :) Youse guys are just soooo funny. :) Anyway, sounds like we're all gonna have to agree to disagree on this issue regarding the cops. I think they did exactly what they were supposed to in this situation. This will most likely be my last post on this subject. Now, anyone up for an oil thread? :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 13:57:10 2000 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: , Subject: RE: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:03:22 -0400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 >Anyway, sounds like we're all gonna have to agree >to disagree on this issue regarding the cops. I think >they did exactly what they were supposed to in this >situation. Nope, I agree with you. >Now, anyone up for an oil thread? :) Only if you can find a way to make it violent :) Jay From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 14:38:19 2000 From: "Kewl GT" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike selection for shorter people Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:38:09 EDT A friend of mine recently sold her Bandit 400 and is looking for a new bike. We went to Powerride this weekend and tried on the different bikes they have over there. She is about 5'2 and did not fit on 100 percent of the sport bikes there, she could not put both feet on the ground, even a little bit, they where kind of dangling in the air. She wanted nothing to do with the various cruiser type bikes. Does anyone have any suggestions on sport bikes for shorter people or ideas on how the fit shorter people on bikes? The Suzuki GS500E and the Kawasaki 500R ZR-7 come to mind. Thanks for the help Regards Sanath ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 14:50:43 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:56:09 -0700 From: Chuck Pena To: Kewl GT CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people Sanath, She's gonna have a hard time getting both her feet on the ground on any sportbike since I don't think any sportbike has a seat height of less than 30". The one exception might be the Kwak 250 Ninja. If she absolutely, positively wants a sportbike, I can only think of the following options: 1. Getting the bike lowered front and rear. Probably an expensive proposition. Probably will affect overall handling, but not sure how significantly/negatively. But I've heard of short people doing this. 2. Cut/shape the foam in the seatpad (admittedly, not a whole lot to begin with) to allow her to touch down with both feet. 3. Buy a small grey market sportbike (e.g., NC30, CBR400RR, etc.) Harder to find, but they're out there. Chuck Kewl GT wrote: > > A friend of mine recently sold her Bandit 400 and is looking for a new bike. > We went to Powerride this weekend and tried on the different bikes they have > over there. She is about 5'2 and did not fit on 100 percent of the sport > bikes there, she could not put both feet on the ground, even a little bit, > they where kind of dangling in the air. She wanted nothing to do with the > various cruiser type bikes. Does anyone have any suggestions on sport bikes > for shorter people or ideas on how the fit shorter people on bikes? The > Suzuki GS500E and the Kawasaki 500R ZR-7 come to mind. > > Thanks for the help > Regards > Sanath > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 14:51:15 2000 Date: 2 Aug 2000 11:50:59 -0700 To: kewlgt@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people On Wed, 02 August 2000, "Kewl GT" wrote: I am the perfect girl to answer this one. I'm a shrimp! 5'1" and weigh about 110, and had exactly the same problem. Every bike I *really* wanted I was too short for, and being my first bike...didn't want to go out of my comfort limits. I bought the GS500 and love it! As soon as I sat on it I knew that I would be comfortable on this bike. If your friend would like to take mine for a spin and try it out...just let me know. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 > A friend of mine recently sold her Bandit 400 and is looking for a new bike. > We went to Powerride this weekend and tried on the different bikes they have > over there. She is about 5'2 and did not fit on 100 percent of the sport > bikes there, she could not put both feet on the ground, even a little bit, > they where kind of dangling in the air. She wanted nothing to do with the > various cruiser type bikes. Does anyone have any suggestions on sport bikes > for shorter people or ideas on how the fit shorter people on bikes? The > Suzuki GS500E and the Kawasaki 500R ZR-7 come to mind. > > Thanks for the help > Regards > Sanath > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 14:51:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody1.jhmi.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72IpD803547 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA08480 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39886DD5.F555ACA8@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:52:05 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Not Bike Related [Fwd: Monday Night Football ] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0EE6CFD5FB0ABD011401A731" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0EE6CFD5FB0ABD011401A731 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warning, Rated PG-L language --------------0EE6CFD5FB0ABD011401A731 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-POP3-Rcpt: stevied@gigue Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (wsp070276wss.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.250]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA04386; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39884C86.30F9102@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:29:58 -0400 From: Paul Evan Faatz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Monday Night Football Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 AL MICHAELS: Hello and welcome to another edition of ABC's Monday Night Football, tonight broadcasting from beautiful Fed Ex Field in Washington, D.C. I'm Al Michaels, and joining me in the booth are two new members of the ABC family, Dennis Miller and Dan Fouts. DENNIS MILLER: Wow, Monday Night Football. I don't want to appear nervous, but I'm under more strain right now than Linda Tripp's capri pants. I have to tell you, I'm conflicted about this. I usually like to be the outsider, the rabble-rouser, the iconoclast, but I also like a nice seat at a sporting event. And this seat is as nice as they get - except I think I took one of Boomer's old squeak toys up the ass when I sat down. DAN FOUTS: I was a quarterback. MILLER: Thanks for that insight, Mr. Peabody. Dan Fouts, everyone. I'm looking over here, and he's giving me that same blank stare I see when I put my dog on the phone. Hey, this isn't the Senior Tour, Chi Chi. Try to keep up. MICHAELS: Tonight the New England Patriots will try to get started on the right foot after a disappointing 8-8 showing last season. They take on the Washington Redskins, whose owner, Daniel Snyder, has paid out $65 million in free agent salaries and bonus payments in the offseason and is looking for results. MILLER: Snyder is throwing around cash like a screech monkey playing with a pop-up Kleenex dispenser. But he's a real hard-ass - it must be great to coach this team. Norv Turner comes to work every day, hands his balls to Gus, the 80-year-old equipment guy, who puts them in a footlocker behind the Stairmaster until the end of the game. Did you catch that one ass-chewing Turner received last season? Lee Harvey Oswald got off easier in that little room at the Dallas P.D. And when Turner finally got out of there you could tell he was looking around, desperately praying for Jack Ruby to show up and end his fucking misery. MICHAELS: The teams are on the field, and we're almost set for the kickoff. FOUTS: I was the quarterback. I didn't go on the field for the kickoff. MILLER: Jesus, Shaggy, saunter on back to the Mystery Machine and take a breather, OK? Why don't you pick up your brain off that pile of papers it's holding down and see what happens when you plug it in? The game's starting, and I feel like Corporal Agarn trying to explain supply and demand to the fucking Hakowis. MICHAELS: As always, the Fuji Blimp makes its annual appearance at Monday Night Football. Glad to have you back, gentlemen. MILLER: It is balloooooooooon! (high-pitched cackle). MICHAELS: Starting at quarterback for the Redskins will be Jeff George, whom I guess one could call one could call a journeyman at this point in his career. MILLER: I have to admit, when I saw George on the roster I thought he had as much chance of making the team as Linda Hunt on the set of Baywatch. This guy's been around - he's called a lot of plays under a lot of centers. He's seen more giant asses than a guest chair on the Jerry Springer Show. MICHAELS: Snyder spent plenty in the offseason to sign star players such as Deion Sanders and Darrell Green on defense. MILLER: Yeah, but look at that Fantasia broom army of social misfits the Redskins call an offensive line. I have a feeling that George's appearance tonight is going to be shorter than Mini-Me stooping over to pick up one of Dr. Evil's monocles. MICHAELS: George drops back to pass, moves out of the pocket and finds the veteran Michael Westbrook, who is tackled after an 11-yard gain. MILLER: Look, I'm new, I don't know that much about defensive schemes. But it seems to me right there that the middle was as vacant as an interview with Posh Spice. FOUTS: I was in a Miller beer commercial, and your last name is Miller. MILLER: Hey, Aristotle, save some of the probing insight for the rest of us, OK? How come I'm getting the funny feeling that this is an episode of The Munsters, and I'm Marian, the normal one? Now, I don't want to get off on a rant here, but the useful comments coming from your side of the booth could be counted on the one hand of a bad wood shop teacher. I can still see the jelly on your forehead where the electroshock terminals were attached. When I took this job, they didn't tell me that I would be teamed with Pepe the Human Hamster on one side, and on the other a broken-down ex-quarterback who makes Jethro Bodine look like David Niven. I want to find the psychotic network programmers who thought up this train wreck and point out that this shit has to be harder to watch than a sausage being made. FOUTS: I like sausage. MILLER: Ah fuck it, where's my propeller hat? MICHAELS: The handoff is to Stephen Davis, who is tackled at the 39-yard line by defensive tackle Henry Thomas. But there's a flag on the play. MILLER: I'd have to say that was the poorest result since O.J. took the lie-detector test. And look at that ref, will ya? He's got more nervous tics than a Belfast valet. MICHAELS: That play will be brought back, making it first and 20 from the 49-yard line. MILLER: Hey, who took my Raisinettes? Damn you, Roone Arledge! Damn you to hell! MICHAELS: George back to pass ... and the throw to Westbrook falls incomplete. Ty Law covering on the play. MILLER: I don't want to be a downer here, but how about throwin' the freakin' ball to the other side of the field, you know, cha-cha? You've got Westbrook drawing a bigger crowd than Anna Kournikova at the maximum-security lockdown at Rikers, while meanwhile the kid on the other side is lonelier than a hooker at a Star Trek convention. MICHAELS: To be fair, there have only been four plays so far. MILLER: Come on Al, you missing link. That receiver is being shunned like an Amish kid with a nipple ring. The left side of the field is to George as a shower is to the French. You've got a better shot at hearing Charlie Sheen give the keynote address at a Promise Keepers rally than you do of ever - MICHAELS: Sorry to break in on you, Dennis, but Washington is guilty of a false start, and that will set them back another five yards. MILLER: The ref is whipping out that flag like it's the only lighter at a crack house. Later that evening: MICHAELS: So your final score is Washington 17, New England 10. We're headed off to San Francisco for our next Monday night broadcast, hope to see you there. MILLER: I may be late; I don't fly. It'll be me in my Chevy Nova playing Mad Max with the Madden Cruiser all the way down Route 66, and you'll know I'm winning when Pavorotti starts hurling six-legged turkeys out the skylight for ballast. MICHAELS: What will you be doing with your remaining time in Washington, D.C.? FOUTS: Doing a little sightseeing. MILLER: I'll be back at the hotel, masturbating like a red-assed monkey watching the Banana Channel. MICHAELS: So from all of us here at Monday Night Football, see you next week... --------------0EE6CFD5FB0ABD011401A731-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 15:00:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72J0s803719 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e72J23J27626 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:02:03 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: Bike selection for shorter people Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:01:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bffcb4$0fe14e80$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I once came across a CBR600F3 for sale in Alexandria that the owner had lowered for his wife. It involved a bracket for the rear shock and sliding the shocks upward in the triple clamp. The final setup looked pretty good IMHO. The only real "customizing" was having the kickstand cut and rewelded in a shorter length. I didn't buy it because he wanted too much money for a CBR that had recently tasted asphalt and I found a better one for less money. I am not sure where he got the shock bracket, but a search of the web might come up with it. The kickstand can be done at any competent machine shop. This will, however, affect the bike's handling and ground clearance. Cedric Does anyone have any suggestions on sport bikes for shorter people or ideas on how the fit shorter people on bikes? The Suzuki GS500E and the Kawasaki 500R ZR-7 come to mind. Thanks for the help Regards Sanath ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 15:02:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72J2Y803729 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:02:25 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062F82@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'LAURA GRANATO'" , kewlgt@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike selection for shorter people Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:52:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I will attest to that, Laura is a shrimp......but she sure packs a punch! (-: > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [SMTP:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 2:51 PM > To: kewlgt@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people > > On Wed, 02 August 2000, "Kewl GT" wrote: > > I am the perfect girl to answer this one. I'm a shrimp! 5'1" and weigh > about 110, and had exactly the same problem. Every bike I *really* wanted > I was too short for, and being my first bike...didn't want to go out of my > comfort limits. I bought the GS500 and love it! As soon as I sat on it I > knew that I would be comfortable on this bike. If your friend would like > to take mine for a spin and try it out...just let me know. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > A friend of mine recently sold her Bandit 400 and is looking for a new > bike. > > We went to Powerride this weekend and tried on the different bikes they > have > > over there. She is about 5'2 and did not fit on 100 percent of the sport > > > bikes there, she could not put both feet on the ground, even a little > bit, > > they where kind of dangling in the air. She wanted nothing to do with > the > > various cruiser type bikes. Does anyone have any suggestions on sport > bikes > > for shorter people or ideas on how the fit shorter people on bikes? The > > Suzuki GS500E and the Kawasaki 500R ZR-7 come to mind. > > > > Thanks for the help > > Regards > > Sanath > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 15:03:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e72J2v803739 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 11253 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2000 12:01:56 -0700 Date: 2 Aug 2000 12:01:56 -0700 Message-ID: <20000802190156.11252.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 2 Aug 2000 19:01:56 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 02 Aug 2000 12:01:56 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.5 Subject: volunteer ride leader needed We have our "relaxed" ride coming up on the 12th, and it seems there will be a good bit of people joining us. I have one person lined up to lead one group, but need a leader of the possible second group (since Tom decided he'd rather go on vacation. :-). I also need one other volunteer to sweep. If you would like to lead, please let me know so I can put you in contact with my friend Michelle (the other ride leader) so you two can work out a route together. I'll be out of town from tomorrow afternoon until Monday, so try and pop me an e-mail today or tomorrow. Look forward to seeing everyone on the 12th. Laura Granato '99 GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 15:13:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72JCu803982 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA26451 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000802150947.00a1ea10@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:14:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? In-Reply-To: <20000802185059.16439.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tom & I were talking about hosting another DC Cycles party around mid to late September. Anyone up for it? Any ideas for dates? Are there some weekends most people will be out of town? We'd like to have it on a Saturday night so no one has to go to work the next day... : ) We live in Arlington, to give everyone an idea where they'd have to travel to... Who's up for it? When's good for everyone? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 15:24:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e72JO6804411 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000802192358.10925.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.182] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:23:58 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:23:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people To: Kewl GT , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You only need 1 foot on the ground at any 1 time. --- Kewl GT wrote: > A friend of mine recently sold her Bandit 400 and is > looking for a new bike. We went to Powerride this > weekend and tried on the different bikes they have > over there. She is about 5'2 and did not fit on 100 > percent of the sport bikes there, she could not put > both feet on the ground, even a little bit, > they where kind of dangling in the air. She wanted > nothing to do with the various cruiser type bikes. > Does anyone have any suggestions on sport bikes > for shorter people or ideas on how the fit shorter > people on bikes? The Suzuki GS500E and the Kawasaki > 500R ZR-7 come to mind. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 15:24:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72JOe804431 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id i.a4.7f4dacd (3968); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:24:16 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:24:15 EDT Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX, kewlgt@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 In a message dated 8/2/00 3:06:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > I will attest to that, Laura is a shrimp......but she sure packs a punch! I'll say... I still have bruises.... - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 15:36:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72Jav804671 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e72Jaqk17565 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:36:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people In-Reply-To: <20000802185059.16439.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 2 Aug 2000, LAURA GRANATO wrote: > I bought the GS500 and love it! > > > A friend of mine recently sold her Bandit 400 and is looking for a > > new bike. The problem with going from a Bandit 400 to a GS500 is that it's a significant downgrade. Sort of like going from a VW Scirocco to a Ford Escort... :( Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 15:42:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e72Jgj804823 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 2707 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2000 12:42:38 -0700 Date: 2 Aug 2000 12:42:38 -0700 Message-ID: <20000802194238.2706.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 2 Aug 2000 19:42:38 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 02 Aug 2000 12:42:38 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: t_gimer@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: kewlgt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.5 Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people On Wed, 02 August 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > > You only need 1 foot on the ground at any 1 time. Yes, this statement is true for a more experienced rider...the longer you ride, the more comfortable that feels... but for a beginner rider or someone who is inseam challenged (who taught me that one???), one foot will significantly drop their confidence level on the bike. Also, even though some of us chics get out there and ride, we still (although don't want to admit it) have limitations when it comes to riding. Laura > > > --- Kewl GT wrote: > > A friend of mine recently sold her Bandit 400 and is > > looking for a new bike. We went to Powerride this > > weekend and tried on the different bikes they have > > over there. She is about 5'2 and did not fit on 100 > > percent of the sport bikes there, she could not put > > both feet on the ground, even a little bit, > > they where kind of dangling in the air. She wanted > > nothing to do with the various cruiser type bikes. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on sport bikes > > for shorter people or ideas on how the fit shorter > > people on bikes? The Suzuki GS500E and the Kawasaki > > 500R ZR-7 come to mind. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 15:58:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72JwU805106 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008021958.e72JwU805106@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from Dsotm60273@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.37.85b3110 (15867) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web41.aolmail.aol.com (web41.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.2]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:58:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:57:59 EDT From: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Check out a Hawk GT. They have a pretty low seat height stock and with a few basic mods it can get even lower. Plus they are light and handle great. i had one for a few years and it was one of the most enjoyable bikes I ever owned. Tony From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:00:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e72Jxx805136 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000802195949.14255.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.182] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:59:49 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:59:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: kewlgt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Wed, 02 August 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > You only need 1 foot on the ground at any 1 time. > > Yes, this statement is true for a more experienced > rider...the longer you ride, the more comfortable > that feels... > > but for a beginner rider or someone who is inseam > challenged (who taught me that one???), one foot > will significantly drop their confidence level on > the bike. > > Also, even though some of us chics get out there and > ride, we still (although don't want to admit it) > have limitations when it comes to riding. i hear ya.....but if your friend really wants a sportbike she'll have to get a lowering link for it and/or learn to adapt and overcome -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:01:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e72K1V805221 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11446 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2000 20:01:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20000802200127.11445.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:01:27 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:01:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people To: LAURA GRANATO , kewlgt@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If the one I saw last Monday is any indication, the GS500 is really slow. I was at a light waiting to turn left, he pulled up beside me (in my lane) When the light changed, he blasted away, there was a double corner about 100 yards past the light, he backed down so bad that I had to brake to stay behind him, normally I just roll off and do the quick right left. Get a Ninja 250, they're much quicker around the corners. :-) Leon. --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Wed, 02 August 2000, "Kewl GT" wrote: > > I am the perfect girl to answer this one. I'm a > shrimp! 5'1" and weigh about 110, and had exactly > the same problem. Every bike I *really* wanted I > was too short for, and being my first bike...didn't > want to go out of my comfort limits. I bought the > GS500 and love it! As soon as I sat on it I knew > that I would be comfortable on this bike. If your > friend would like to take mine for a spin and try > it out...just let me know. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > A friend of mine recently sold her Bandit 400 and > is looking for a new bike. > > We went to Powerride this weekend and tried on the > different bikes they have > > over there. She is about 5'2 and did not fit on > 100 percent of the sport > > bikes there, she could not put both feet on the > ground, even a little bit, > > they where kind of dangling in the air. She wanted > nothing to do with the > > various cruiser type bikes. Does anyone have any > suggestions on sport bikes > > for shorter people or ideas on how the fit shorter > people on bikes? The > > Suzuki GS500E and the Kawasaki 500R ZR-7 come to > mind. > > > > Thanks for the help > > Regards > > Sanath > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:08:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e72K8C805319 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge2.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Wed Aug 02 13:11:23 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3581SN1A>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:14:02 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5793@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'LAURA GRANATO'" , t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: kewlgt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike selection for shorter people Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:07:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Laura, No doubt! My wife is 5'9" and she works out and has good strength. She's been riding for about 8-9 years and she still likes to be able to flat-foot both feet at a stop. That's one of the reasons we got rid of her Nighthawk and she went with the Eliminator. The seat height is much lower on the Eliminator. I've been trying to figure out how to get her to try sportier bikes, and she got to ride a Centauro that had been lowered about an inch and she loved it. Well, the Centauro wasn't a prime choice for us, but I suggested the ZX-6 and she tried it and she likes it. For me, the ZX-6 feels like a toy (compared to my Concours) but it's a good size for her. And that's what's important. Perry -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 3:43 PM To: t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: kewlgt@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people On Wed, 02 August 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > > You only need 1 foot on the ground at any 1 time. Yes, this statement is true for a more experienced rider...the longer you ride, the more comfortable that feels... but for a beginner rider or someone who is inseam challenged (who taught me that one???), one foot will significantly drop their confidence level on the bike. Also, even though some of us chics get out there and ride, we still (although don't want to admit it) have limitations when it comes to riding. Laura > > > --- Kewl GT wrote: > > A friend of mine recently sold her Bandit 400 and is > > looking for a new bike. We went to Powerride this > > weekend and tried on the different bikes they have > > over there. She is about 5'2 and did not fit on 100 > > percent of the sport bikes there, she could not put > > both feet on the ground, even a little bit, > > they where kind of dangling in the air. She wanted > > nothing to do with the various cruiser type bikes. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on sport bikes > > for shorter people or ideas on how the fit shorter > > people on bikes? The Suzuki GS500E and the Kawasaki > > 500R ZR-7 come to mind. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:14:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e72KEw805398 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 12987 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2000 13:14:45 -0700 Date: 2 Aug 2000 13:14:45 -0700 Message-ID: <20000802201445.12986.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 2 Aug 2000 20:14:45 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 02 Aug 2000 13:14:45 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: mriderleon@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: kewlgt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.5 Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people On Wed, 02 August 2000, Leon Begeman wrote: > > If the one I saw last Monday is any indication, the > GS500 is really slow Leon: It's all in how you ride it! Laura > > Leon. > --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > On Wed, 02 August 2000, "Kewl GT" wrote: > > > > I am the perfect girl to answer this one. I'm a > > shrimp! 5'1" and weigh about 110, and had exactly > > the same problem. Every bike I *really* wanted I > > was too short for, and being my first bike...didn't > > want to go out of my comfort limits. I bought the > > GS500 and love it! As soon as I sat on it I knew > > that I would be comfortable on this bike. If your > > friend would like to take mine for a spin and try > > it out...just let me know. > > > > Laura Granato > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > > > A friend of mine recently sold her Bandit 400 and > > is looking for a new bike. > > > We went to Powerride this weekend and tried on the > > different bikes they have > > > over there. She is about 5'2 and did not fit on > > 100 percent of the sport > > > bikes there, she could not put both feet on the > > ground, even a little bit, > > > they where kind of dangling in the air. She wanted > > nothing to do with the > > > various cruiser type bikes. Does anyone have any > > suggestions on sport bikes > > > for shorter people or ideas on how the fit shorter > > people on bikes? The > > > Suzuki GS500E and the Kawasaki 500R ZR-7 come to > > mind. > > > > > > Thanks for the help > > > Regards > > > Sanath > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:18:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72KIH805505 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e72KJLJ29708 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:19:21 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:18:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01bffcbe$dc5afec0$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000802150947.00a1ea10@intertv.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I'm up for it. I have no date preferences. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Zell [mailto:jzell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 3:14 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? Tom & I were talking about hosting another DC Cycles party around mid to late September. Anyone up for it? Any ideas for dates? Are there some weekends most people will be out of town? We'd like to have it on a Saturday night so no one has to go to work the next day... : ) We live in Arlington, to give everyone an idea where they'd have to travel to... Who's up for it? When's good for everyone? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:21:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72KLH805582 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:21:26 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062F92@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: New Vanson Jacket out Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:11:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain http://www.newenough.com/vanson%20jackets%20vel.htm A new version of the sportrider, even sportier..... mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:38:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72KcY805839 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008022038.e72KcY805839@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id y.69.892e5a0 (15878); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web40.aolmail.aol.com (web40.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.1]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:38:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:38:11 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Swim Home To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown I've got a nice w/r/b AGV Rage jacket that does the same thing when it rains. It ruined a nice white t-shirt by making it red and black. From now on, if I'm out when it starts to rain, I take off my shirt and stuff it under the seat before I start to move. Saved me two shirts that way. Although, I looked like someone beat me up with red and black marks on my chest. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:07:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Cedric Bernescut" writes: << You should have seen the looks on the faces of my fellow class members. They are all getting paid overtime to attend the course, which of course is paid for by their employers and they got to school in their new SUV's, whilst this member of the angry proletariat surfed over to class on his used CBR. Oops, was that a rant? Rain doesn't bother me either, though I did learn the hard way once that my First Gear jacket will bleed like Roger Corman movie all over my nice dress shirt and tie unless I wear a rainsuit over it. My gloves did leave me with black hands, though. Luckily I've ridden in the rain enough that it doesn't bother me. I'd love to be a fly on the wall as I pass some of those cars, though! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 09:33 AM 8/2/00 -0400, Cedric Bernescut wrote: Grabbing >too much brake or swerving too hard is more of a concern, just leave plenty >of time and space to react. >Cedric >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:42:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72Kgg805928 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13K5L8-0002uh-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:42:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:42:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? In-Reply-To: <000e01bffcbe$dc5afec0$770810ac@cedric> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Cedric Bernescut wrote: > I'm up for it. I have no date preferences. > Cedric > As long as she owns a bike and is wearing a bikini. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:44:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72KiL805950 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008022044.e72KiL805950@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 6.16.67ec31 (15863); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web45.aolmail.aol.com (web45.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.6]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:43:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:43:39 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Don't think I can make it this weekend. Although, I will probably be up around the Harpers Ferry area. My sister lives up there and has plans (read work) for me. Will most likely be going in the cage to haul the necessary tools. But, thanks for the invite. I'll look for you guys if I'm around. Scooter In a message dated Wed, 2 Aug 2000 1:12:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Lisa Goddard writes: << Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:25:29 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Why not just do a combined "The Men and Women of DC Cycles" Calendar? I say we have a pool party somewhere. (snip) Anyone have a pool and want to volunteer it one weekend? Scooter I don't have a pool but I have another offer that involves swimsuits! How about tubing on the Shenendoah River this Sunday? The forecast looks good so far. http://www.rivertrail.com/tube.html I was thinking about a nice ride up to the Harpers Ferry area and meeting for either the 1 PM session or the 3 PM session. Is anyone else interested? Since I am on the digest please reply back to me directly so I may get an idea of how many people are interested. I might want to warn them that a biker gang on 'rocket bikes' might show up ;) '95 VFR Lisa >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:52:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72Kq1806146 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e72Kptm08701 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008022051.e72Kptm08701@bacardi.torrentnet.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id l.b9.58740ab (15886); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web40.aolmail.aol.com (web40.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.1]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:51:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:51:33 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies To: , Cc: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown No. No oil thread. Let's try something different. How about spark plugs? Haven't seen a thread on that. What does everyone use? Not that I'm in need of any right now, just wanted a new topic. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Wed, 2 Aug 2000 1:51:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dale Horstman writes: << "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > > >To stop the massive horse thieve rings. > > Yeah, they should hang those guys or something :) Youse guys are just soooo funny. :) Anyway, sounds like we're all gonna have to agree to disagree on this issue regarding the cops. I think they did exactly what they were supposed to in this situation. This will most likely be my last post on this subject. Now, anyone up for an oil thread? :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:53:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody1.jhmi.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72Krc806166 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12368 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39888A8A.122F97AE@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:54:34 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people References: <20000802200127.11445.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's some links that I found for the inseam challenged http://www.ki.org/sbl/join.html http://www.ki.org/sbl/homepagelist.html http://www.nebcom.com/noemi/moto/sbl.faq.html Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 16:58:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72KwE806307 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-239-40.s294.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.239.40]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13K5ad-0004uq-00; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:58:11 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 00:03:02 GMT Message-ID: <3989b671.564626948@smtp.erols.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20000802131722.00cc2410@mail.wheatintl.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000802131722.00cc2410@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e72KwI806308 On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:19:24 -0400, you wrote: |>tells us to remove our helmets. We do. He then hands us a flyer |>advertising the upcoming poker run. We were so relieved that we actually |>went on the poker run ;-) LOL as far as traffic stops go, nothing better than a cop with a sense of humor, nothing worse than a cop without one! :) Daniel Date fixed, had to run a non 2000 compliant app for a minute From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 17:05:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72L5P806481 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008022105.e72L5P806481@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id n.bd.5c59aa4 (15766); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web41.aolmail.aol.com (web41.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.2]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:04:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:04:24 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Not Bike Related [Fwd: Monday Night Football ] To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown ROTFLMAO. That was HILARIOUS. My sides are hurting. Scooter In a message dated Wed, 2 Aug 2000 2:54:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Steven C. Di Pietro" writes: << Warning, Rated PG-L language Forwarded Message:-------------------- Subj: Monday Night Football Date Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:29:58 -0400 From: Paul Evan Faatz AL MICHAELS: Hello and welcome to another edition of ABC's Monday Night Football, tonight broadcasting from beautiful Fed Ex Field in Washington, D.C. I'm Al Michaels, and joining me in the booth are two new members of the ABC family, Dennis Miller and Dan Fouts. DENNIS MILLER: Wow, Monday Night Football. I don't want to appear nervous, but I'm under more strain right now than Linda Tripp's capri pants. I have to tell you, I'm conflicted about this. I usually like to be the outsider, the rabble-rouser, the iconoclast, but I also like a nice seat at a sporting event. And this seat is as nice as they get - except I think I took one of Boomer's old squeak toys up the ass when I sat down. DAN FOUTS: I was a quarterback. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 17:07:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72L7l806493 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008022107.e72L7l806493@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 8.5b.972ec2c (15702); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web51.aolmail.aol.com (web51.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.12]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:07:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:07:04 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Sounds good to me. I'm gonna be at Keith Code's school in NY from 8/26 - 8/29 but, I should be back for the weekend. Scooter In a message dated Wed, 2 Aug 2000 3:17:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jeannette Zell writes: << Tom & I were talking about hosting another DC Cycles party around mid to late September. Anyone up for it? Any ideas for dates? Are there some weekends most people will be out of town? We'd like to have it on a Saturday night so no one has to go to work the next day... : ) We live in Arlington, to give everyone an idea where they'd have to travel to... Who's up for it? When's good for everyone? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 17:09:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72L94806503 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-239-40.s294.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.239.40]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13K5l8-0006eF-00; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:09:02 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: kewlgt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 00:13:52 GMT Message-ID: <398ab8f2.565268178@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000802185059.16439.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> In-Reply-To: <20000802185059.16439.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e72L99806504 In case anyone hasn't suggested it, your friend might want to wear some platform sole type of boots. It's a very popular idea for the short female riders, as those boots are easy to come by, being a contemporary style. I see it all the time. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 17:13:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72LDs806606 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-239-40.s294.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.239.40]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13K5pn-0007LE-00; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:13:52 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer Cc: LAURA GRANATO , kewlgt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike selection for shorter people Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 00:18:42 GMT Message-ID: <398bb9b8.565465758@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000802195949.14255.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000802195949.14255.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e72LDv806607 On Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:59:49 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>i hear ya.....but if your friend really wants a |>sportbike she'll have to get a lowering link for it |>and/or learn to adapt and overcome There is a guy in VA, who creates the lowering kits for a modest price (if you compare them to other prices). All I know is they call him whitey.. and one of the VA dealerships can refer you to him. He may even have a business card pinned to a bulletin board or something. I think he charges around $150. If I recall correctly he has a fairly common last name like "jackson" or something. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 18:04:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe3.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72M43807412 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.28.207.54]) by mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:03:58 -0400 Message-ID: <39889AF7.B4D95926@cox.rr.com> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:04:39 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? References: <4.1.20000802150947.00a1ea10@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds good - I'd prefer Sept 9th or 23rd. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 Jeannette Zell wrote: > Tom & I were talking about hosting another DC Cycles party around mid to > late September. > Anyone up for it? Any ideas for dates? Are there some weekends most > people will be out of town? > We'd like to have it on a Saturday night so no one has to go to work the > next day... : ) > We live in Arlington, to give everyone an idea where they'd have to travel > to... > Who's up for it? > When's good for everyone? > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 19:33:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e72NXj809000 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id p.a6.7f98a89 (4540); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:33:27 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:33:27 EDT Subject: Re: volunteer ride leader needed To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 If you're looking for a slower group leader or a sweeper that readily stands out, I'll gladly volunteer. Where and when does the ride start? Rob VanSlyke Moto Guzzi V11 EV From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 20:55:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e730td810617 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8S3G8Y>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:54:28 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Selling N-100 Helmet Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:54:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Folks, I have a new large Nolan N-100 flip top (retractable full-face) helmet that I would be willing to part ways with for $125. I just had it delivered this past Monday, but have decided that my head is either expanding, or the helmet is a different shape that I wear with my Shoei. I can wear it, but it's a little tight, and after my 30-40 minute commute it just feels all the tighter. The $125 I'd ask for it is the price charged by the place I bought it from, and I'd be willing to eat the shipping costs (~$11), and start the new helmet search over. I really like the idea of the flip up, and it's been really nice to ride half-shell style through my neighborhood or when filling up my gas tank. Come to think of it, I might just get the thing in XL if the place I bought it from still has any on clearance. Rider Wearhouse charges $180 for 'em, and other catalogue, online places want $200+. If you're interested drop a line via this email address (eschelzig@XXXXXX). My office is down town 17th and I, and the helmet is silver. For details about the N-100, see Nolan's Web site at http://www.nolan.it. Again, the particulars, N-100 Large Silver $125 Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 21:15:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5202.mail.yahoo.com (web5202.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e731F3811000 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000803011456.28184.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.70] by web5202.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:14:55 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:14:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: the lesbian "fad" To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well Tom, there's videos out there dedicated to those who prefer their OWN biscuit as well. ;-) --- Tom Gimer wrote: > hmmm....if i had my own biscuit to take care of, i > think i'd be repulsed at the thought of eating > anyone else's --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Corbett B wrote: > > Tommy G- > > > > Lesbianism is about having your biscuit - and > eating > > it too! > > > > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > > > What the hell is the big lesbo fad all about? > > > > It just don't make sense to me that it's OK > for > a > > > > woman be a diver but tabboo for a man to go > > > > around buggering the world. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 21:24:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com (web5201.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e731OJ811095 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000803012412.2031.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.70] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:24:12 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:24:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: final lesbian reference - joke To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii An old cowboy, dressed in cowboy shirt, hat, jeans, spurs and chaps went to a bar, sat down, and ordered a drink. As he was sipping his whiskey, a young lady sat down next to him... After she ordered her drink she turned to the cowboy and asked him, "Are you a REAL cowboy?" He replied, "Well, I've spent my whole life on the ranch herding cows, breaking horses, and mending fences ... so I guess I am." After a short while, he asked her about herself. She replied, "I've never been on a ranch so I'm not a cowboy, but I am a lesbian. I spend my whole day thinking about women. As soon as I get up in the morning, I think of women. When I eat, shower, watch TV - everything seems to make me think of women." A short while later she left, and the cowboy ordered another drink. A couple sat down next to him and asked, "Are you a REAL cowboy?" To which he replied, "I always thought I was, but I just found out I'm a lesbian." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 21:32:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e731WO811245 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000803013216.25110.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.70] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:32:16 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:32:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: MC runs for it, passenger dies To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was told by a former Leesburg cop that Leesburg has had a considerable problem with drug trafficking due to several privately-owned air strips in the area, I couldn't tell you if he was full of BS or not. -Corbett --- Troutman wrote: > At 12:30 PM 8/2/00 , Jay St. Peter wrote: > >Also, is it just me or does it seem like every 3rd > car in Leesburg is a cop? > > Its every other car and every third motorcycle Jay. > > >Does a small quiet town like Leesburg really need > that many cops? > > To stop the massive horse thieve rings. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > More miles than I can shake a squid at. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 2 23:17:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e733Hd812862 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000803031730.1689.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.7.100] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 20:17:30 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:17:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: FW: If you get a ticket... To: continuum_68@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here you go Mr improv (got this from cindy)....thought you like to read it since you have been getting sooo many tickets this summer!:)))) well that's of course if you want to plead guilty!! >Hey, >Don't know if this will work, but it's worth a try! > > >Just thought I would share this with you, as you know I work in the ticket >enforcement division and in the course of my investigation into fines, >their >payment methods, and how points are assessed against drivers >licenses" we discovered something very interesting. If You Get A Traffic >Ticket, This has been tried and it works..... >I tried to send this to everyone I know. I know that for a fact this >works >so if you ever get in this situation, you have an out. We discovered that >this procedure works in every state. Read it and try it, you have nothing >to >lose but the points on your license. > >This is how it works: > >If you get a speeding ticket or went through a red light or whatever the >case may be, and you are going to get points on your license, then there >is a method to ensure that you DO NOT get any points. When you get your >fine, send in the check to pay for it and if the fine is say, $79, then >make the check out for $82 or some small amount over the fine. The system >will then have to send you back a check for the difference, >but here is the trick! ***DO NOT CASH THE REFUND CHECK!!!*** >Throw it away!! Points are not assessed to your license >until all financial transactions are complete. If you do not cash the >check, then the transactions are NOT complete. However, the system has >gotten >its money and is happy and will not bother you any more. This information >came >to our attention from a very reliable computer company that sets up the >standard database used by each states' DMV. > >Good luck and share this with all your friends and other family members, >as >well!!! > >Ticket Enforcement Division > >Jocelyn G. Viray Basmayor >Administrative Assistant II >San Diego Unified Port District >Corporate Services >619) 686-6574 Office >619) 686-6555 Fax __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 07:46:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73Bkh821819 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 07:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e73Blw315025 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 04:47:58 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 07:47:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bffd40$91589860$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Hey! I spent 5 arduous years matriculating in Isla Vista, California (Go Gauchos!) and since we were not exactly an academic or sports powerhouse, my research efforts were concentrated on the local indigenous species, i.e..those in the attractive one-piece suits. My research proved so demanding that I was forced to spend an additional year there. It seems to provide more of a canvas for the artist to express their mood, although minimalism was and is, the preferred artistic trend. Unfortunately, the two-piece is just so pedestrian these days ;) Imagine, how would the World Superbike sanctioning association advertise if it was limited to such a small canvas to work with? On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Cedric Bernescut wrote: > I'm up for it. I have no date preferences. > Cedric > As long as she owns a bike and is wearing a bikini. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 07:47:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3605.mail.yahoo.com (web3605.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.109]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e73BlL821829 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 07:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000803114710.11754.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3605.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:47:10 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 04:47:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: If you get a ticket... To: Matthew Ehlert , continuum_68@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is an old one and as far as I know it will NOT work in VA. Glenn --- Matthew Ehlert wrote: > Here you go Mr improv (got this from > cindy)....thought > you like to read it since you have been getting sooo > many tickets this summer!:)))) well that's of > course > if you want to plead guilty!! > > >Hey, > >Don't know if this will work, but it's worth a try! > > > > > >Just thought I would share this with you, as you > know I work in the > ticket > >enforcement division and in the course of my > investigation into > fines, > >their > >payment methods, and how points are assessed > against > drivers > >licenses" we discovered something very > interesting. > If You Get A > Traffic > >Ticket, This has been tried and it works..... > >I tried to send this to everyone I know. I know > that > for a fact this > >works > >so if you ever get in this situation, you have an > out. We discovered > that > >this procedure works in every state. Read it and > try > it, you have > nothing > >to > >lose but the points on your license. > > > >This is how it works: > > > >If you get a speeding ticket or went through a red > light or whatever > the > >case may be, and you are going to get points on > your > license, then > there > >is a method to ensure that you DO NOT get any > points. When you get > your > >fine, send in the check to pay for it and if the > fine > is say, $79, > then > >make the check out for $82 or some small amount > over > the fine. The > system > >will then have to send you back a check for the > difference, > >but here is the trick! ***DO NOT CASH THE REFUND > CHECK!!!*** > >Throw it away!! Points are not assessed to your > license > >until all financial transactions are complete. If > you > do not cash the > >check, then the transactions are NOT complete. > However, the system has > >gotten > >its money and is happy and will not bother you any > more. This > information > >came > >to our attention from a very reliable computer > company that sets up > the > >standard database used by each states' DMV. > > > >Good luck and share this with all your friends and > other family > members, > >as > >well!!! > > > >Ticket Enforcement Division > > > >Jocelyn G. Viray Basmayor > >Administrative Assistant II > >San Diego Unified Port District > >Corporate Services > >619) 686-6574 Office > >619) 686-6555 Fax __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 08:06:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3102.mail.yahoo.com (web3102.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.187]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e73C6D822154 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000803120605.6306.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3102.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 05:06:05 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 05:06:05 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: FW: If you get a ticket... To: Matthew Ehlert , continuum_68@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Matthew Ehlert wrote: > Here you go Mr improv (got this from cindy)....thought > you like to read it since you have been getting sooo > many tickets this summer!:)))) well that's of course > if you want to plead guilty!! this has been proven an Urban Legend. I don't have the link but you should be able to find it on www.urbanlegends.com Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 10:39:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73EdU825748 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008031439.e73EdU825748@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 3.32.84522d3 (15877); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web47.aolmail.aol.com (web47.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.8]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 10:39:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 10:39:18 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Selling N-100 Helmet To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Erik, I have one of those and they are a slightly different fit than the Shoei's. I like it though. It just took me a little getting used to the chin bar being so close to my chin. I suggest you take a ride out to Coleman/Poweride and try them on for a while. I know, I don't like Coleman's as far as service goes but, they have a great accessory department and a good selection of helmets. That's where I bought mine from. Try on an XL and wear it around the store for a few minutes. You won't be sorry. Scooter In a message dated Wed, 2 Aug 2000 9:00:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eschelzig@XXXXXX writes: << Folks, I have a new large Nolan N-100 flip top (retractable full-face) helmet that I would be willing to part ways with for $125. I just had it delivered this past Monday, but have decided that my head is either expanding, or the helmet is a different shape that I wear with my Shoei. I can wear it, but it's a little tight, and after my 30-40 minute commute it just feels all the tighter. The $125 I'd ask for it is the price charged by the place I bought it from, and I'd be willing to eat the shipping costs (~$11), and start the new helmet search over. I really like the idea of the flip up, and it's been really nice to ride half-shell style through my neighborhood or when filling up my gas tank. Come to think of it, I might just get the thing in XL if the place I bought it from still has any on clearance. Rider Wearhouse charges $180 for 'em, and other catalogue, online places want $200+. If you're interested drop a line via this email address (eschelzig@XXXXXX). My office is down town 17th and I, and the helmet is silver. For details about the N-100, see Nolan's Web site at http://www.nolan.it. Again, the particulars, N-100 Large Silver $125 Bests, Erik >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 10:47:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73Elp825922 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8S3HH3>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:46:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Selling N-100 Helmet Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:46:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Don't get me wrong: I really like the N-100 helmet. I think I just mis-measured my head (something about using a ruler didn't seem quite right at the time . . .). It just sits on my the crown of my head a little too tightly, especially after about a half hour or so. I love the fact that you can pull it open when you're sitting in foot-dragging traffic, or when you want to talk to somebody without taking your helmet off. I think I could try to break it in, but that might be more trouble than it's worth. So I'm selling it and looking for another good deal. My old Shoei still does the job, but it's getting kind of battered after three years. Bests, Erik 1981 SX650 -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 10:39 AM To: eschelzig@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Selling N-100 Helmet Erik, I have one of those and they are a slightly different fit than the Shoei's. I like it though. It just took me a little getting used to the chin bar being so close to my chin. I suggest you take a ride out to Coleman/Poweride and try them on for a while. I know, I don't like Coleman's as far as service goes but, they have a great accessory department and a good selection of helmets. That's where I bought mine from. Try on an XL and wear it around the store for a few minutes. You won't be sorry. Scooter In a message dated Wed, 2 Aug 2000 9:00:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eschelzig@XXXXXX writes: << Folks, I have a new large Nolan N-100 flip top (retractable full-face) helmet that I would be willing to part ways with for $125. I just had it delivered this past Monday, but have decided that my head is either expanding, or the helmet is a different shape that I wear with my Shoei. I can wear it, but it's a little tight, and after my 30-40 minute commute it just feels all the tighter. The $125 I'd ask for it is the price charged by the place I bought it from, and I'd be willing to eat the shipping costs (~$11), and start the new helmet search over. I really like the idea of the flip up, and it's been really nice to ride half-shell style through my neighborhood or when filling up my gas tank. Come to think of it, I might just get the thing in XL if the place I bought it from still has any on clearance. Rider Wearhouse charges $180 for 'em, and other catalogue, online places want $200+. If you're interested drop a line via this email address (eschelzig@XXXXXX). My office is down town 17th and I, and the helmet is silver. For details about the N-100, see Nolan's Web site at http://www.nolan.it. Again, the particulars, N-100 Large Silver $125 Bests, Erik >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 11:20:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e73FKl826514 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20188 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2000 15:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2000 15:21:33 -0000 Message-ID: <39898D9F.57CBDC8F@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:19:59 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Selling N-100 Helmet References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > > Don't get me wrong: I really like the N-100 helmet. I think I just > mis-measured my head (something about using a ruler didn't seem quite right > at the time . . .). It just sits on my the crown of my head a little too > tightly, especially after about a half hour or so. Erik, Yeah, I had quite a bit of discomfort with my Size L Nolan, it put a lot of pressure right in the center of my forehead, while being aggravatingly loose back around the sides. I loved the helmet's features, though, and inserted some bicycle helmet pads in strategic locations to make things fit a little better. I'll probably go with an XL on my next one (I don't see any reasonably-priced alternatives any time soon), so you are probably doing the smart thing by moving up now. Good luck! The Nolan is a great helmet, and this is a super deal. Someone will jump on it quickly, I think. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 11:29:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e73FT0826608 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27984 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2000 15:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2000 15:29:50 -0000 Message-ID: <39898F88.6C91961D@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:28:08 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Selling N-100 Helmet References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > The $125 I'd ask for it is the price charged by the place I bought it from, > and I'd be willing to eat the shipping costs (~$11), and start the new > helmet search over. Erik, Oh yeah, forgot to ask, where'd you find Nolan N100s for sale for $125 plus shipping? That's a fantastic price... Dale (might be getting one, too) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 12:03:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73G3C827221 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:05:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:05:07 -0400 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anyone else in Alexandria pee-ohed about this? Crash > -----Original Message----- > From: Smith, Steven > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:03 PM > To: 'complaints-enf@XXXXXX' > Cc: 'affiliate@XXXXXX' > Subject: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider > Importance: High > > To Whom It May Concern: > > I am writing to complain about scheduled programming that has been and > will continue to be pre-empted by my cable television provider, ComCast of > Alexandria, Virginia. On Sundays evenings, baseball games announced in > Spanish are being shown on the channel (39) usually reserved for > Speedvision, rather than the motorcycle races and motorcycling-related > programs which have been scheduled. I have attempted to contact the > programming department at ComCast (formerly Jones Intercable) on four > occasions. Each time the telephone was answered by a recorded message. > Each time I left my name and telephone number, as well as the reason I > called. None of my calls (on July 24 I attempted to contact Mr. Derek > Lymus at 703-567-4486, on July 31 and August 1 I attempted to contact Mr. > Harold Sweet at 703-567-4490, on August 3 I attempted to contact Mr. Jerry > O'Connor through reception at 703-567-4400) have been returned. > > The motorcycle racing season is very short and the number of premier races > held by the American Motorcyclist Association, Formula Extreme, and the > International Federation of Motorcyclists is not large. To pre-empt these > races with redundant broadcasts of baseball games announced in Spanish is > unacceptable. Especially since I was never informed by ComCast that these > scheduling changes would take place before I contracted for their service. > > Your attention to this matter would be greatly appreciated. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 12:07:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73G7V827300 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03436; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 2000080312072241:70774 ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:07:22 -0400 Message-ID: <39899940.B29B3B0D@mitretek.org> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:09:36 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Meyer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? References: <4.1.20000802150947.00a1ea10@intertv.com> <39889AF7.B4D95926@cox.rr.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/03/2000 12:07:22 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/03/2000 12:07:23 PM, Serialize complete at 08/03/2000 12:07:23 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yippee! Party! The 23rd is better for me, as I'll be in beautiful Fenway Park the weekend of the 9th, watching my future husband, Pedro, kick some Yankee ass! :-) Larry Meyer wrote: > Sounds good - I'd prefer Sept 9th or 23rd. > > Larry Meyer > Annandale, VA > 1997 Bandit 1200 > > Jeannette Zell wrote: > > > Tom & I were talking about hosting another DC Cycles party around mid to > > late September. > > Anyone up for it? Any ideas for dates? Are there some weekends most > > people will be out of town? > > We'd like to have it on a Saturday night so no one has to go to work the > > next day... : ) > > We live in Arlington, to give everyone an idea where they'd have to travel > > to... > > Who's up for it? > > When's good for everyone? > > > > - Jeannette > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 12:10:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73GAU827323 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id k.7e.876aae8 (4328); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:10:13 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7e.876aae8.26baf364@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:10:12 EDT Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider To: ssmith@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 8/3/00 12:05:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ssmith@XXXXXX writes: > Anyone else in Alexandria pee-ohed about this? I gave up on dealing with cable companies 5 years ago and have never looked back. DirecTV rocks... plain and simple. They did the same thing in Loudoun to speedvision - they cut it off at like 9pm and play the Playboy channel or something - a buddy out there was REALLY pissed. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 12:17:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73GH0827492 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:17:04 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062FC2@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Kristina M. Rogish'" , Larry Meyer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:07:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain 23rd looks good here > -----Original Message----- > From: Kristina M. Rogish [SMTP:krogish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:10 PM > To: Larry Meyer > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? > > Yippee! Party! > The 23rd is better for me, as I'll be in beautiful Fenway Park the weekend > of > the 9th, watching my future husband, Pedro, kick some Yankee ass! :-) > > > Larry Meyer wrote: > > > Sounds good - I'd prefer Sept 9th or 23rd. > > > > Larry Meyer > > Annandale, VA > > 1997 Bandit 1200 > > > > Jeannette Zell wrote: > > > > > Tom & I were talking about hosting another DC Cycles party around mid > to > > > late September. > > > Anyone up for it? Any ideas for dates? Are there some weekends most > > > people will be out of town? > > > We'd like to have it on a Saturday night so no one has to go to work > the > > > next day... : ) > > > We live in Arlington, to give everyone an idea where they'd have to > travel > > > to... > > > Who's up for it? > > > When's good for everyone? > > > > > > - Jeannette > > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 12:17:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e73GHD827503 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000803161654.2963.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:16:54 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:16:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Paging Adam To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hey Adam... give me an email or call me (cell 703 625 2023).... never got your new email address since you defected from ASD inc.... playing some billiards tonight. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 12:17:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73GHk827522 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:18:00 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062FC3@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'DCMotoCrew'" Subject: Bike Night is Tuesday! Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:08:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Bike Night this Tueday at Grevey's in Falls Chuch. BE THERE! http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ Mark aka Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 12:39:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73Gdf827887 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.37.8688301 (7359) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:39:29 -0400 (EDT) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <37.8688301.26bafa40@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:39:28 EDT Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 In a message dated 8/3/00 12:13:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BryanRoach@XXXXXX writes: > DirecTV rocks... plain and simple. > They did the same thing in Loudoun to speedvision - they cut it off at like > 9pm and play the Playboy channel or something I have DirecTV too, but I'd love it if they'd show the Playboy channel instead of their cheesy late night movies. Cheesy movies = bad naked girls = good Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 12:41:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73Gft827900 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA290885 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3989A0C6.6C4A03CA@radix.net> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:41:42 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Get a DSS system & the 18" dish and ditch that cable system. That was the absolute happiest day of my life ; calling the cable company & telling them bye bye ... well, maybe not THE happiest day, but you get the idea. Speedvision 24 x 7, not to mention that the Fox sports affiliates rebroadcast a lot of the Speedvision events... -- 'Satellite TV. It's not just for rich folks anymore.' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 "Smith, Steven" wrote: > > Anyone else in Alexandria pee-ohed about this? > > Crash > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Smith, Steven > > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:03 PM > > To: 'complaints-enf@XXXXXX' > > Cc: 'affiliate@XXXXXX' > > Subject: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider > > Importance: High > > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > I am writing to complain about scheduled programming that has been and > > will continue to be pre-empted by my cable television provider, ComCast of > > Alexandria, Virginia. On Sundays evenings, baseball games announced in > > Spanish are being shown on the channel (39) usually reserved for > > Speedvision, rather than the motorcycle races and motorcycling-related > > programs which have been scheduled. I have attempted to contact the > > programming department at ComCast (formerly Jones Intercable) on four > > occasions. Each time the telephone was answered by a recorded message. > > Each time I left my name and telephone number, as well as the reason I > > called. None of my calls (on July 24 I attempted to contact Mr. Derek > > Lymus at 703-567-4486, on July 31 and August 1 I attempted to contact Mr. > > Harold Sweet at 703-567-4490, on August 3 I attempted to contact Mr. Jerry > > O'Connor through reception at 703-567-4400) have been returned. > > > > The motorcycle racing season is very short and the number of premier races > > held by the American Motorcyclist Association, Formula Extreme, and the > > International Federation of Motorcyclists is not large. To pre-empt these > > races with redundant broadcasts of baseball games announced in Spanish is > > unacceptable. Especially since I was never informed by ComCast that these > > scheduling changes would take place before I contracted for their service. > > > > Your attention to this matter would be greatly appreciated. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 13:00:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73Gxx828226 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e73H1E322231 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:01:14 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:00:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bffd6c$544eaa00$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <3989A0C6.6C4A03CA@radix.net> Importance: Normal http://www.dss4u.com/ Someone told me about this site, I haven't used it yet because I need to dynamite a couple of trees blocking the view from my apartment. Also, if you live in an apartment or housing association governed home, I "understand" (as in not legally binding advice :) ) that FCC guidelines prevent them from blocking your installation of such a dish UNLESS your neighborhood is covered as a historical site (my office in Georgetown). Cedric Get a DSS system & the 18" dish and ditch that cable system. That was the absolute happiest day of my life ; calling the cable company & telling them bye bye ... well, maybe not THE happiest day, but you get the idea. Speedvision 24 x 7, not to mention that the Fox sports affiliates rebroadcast a lot of the Speedvision events... -- 'Satellite TV. It's not just for rich folks anymore.' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 13:14:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73HEp828488 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA307898 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3989A877.9DF3A388@radix.net> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 13:14:31 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider References: <000f01bffd6c$544eaa00$770810ac@cedric> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > http://www.dss4u.com/ > Someone told me about this site, I haven't used it yet because I need to > dynamite a couple of trees blocking the view from my apartment. Also, if > you live in an apartment or housing association governed home, I > "understand" (as in not legally binding advice :) ) that FCC guidelines > prevent them from blocking your installation of such a dish UNLESS your > neighborhood is covered as a historical site (my office in Georgetown). That's correct, that would be the Federal Telecommunications Act (law) of 1996... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 13:25:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73HPO828676 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id y.f8.181390d (4328); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:24:49 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:24:48 EDT Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider To: bernescut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 8/3/00 1:02:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bernescut@XXXXXX writes: > Someone told me about this site, I haven't used it yet because I need to > dynamite a couple of trees blocking the view from my apartment. Also, if > you live in an apartment or housing association governed home, I > "understand" (as in not legally binding advice :) ) that FCC guidelines > prevent them from blocking your installation of such a dish UNLESS your > neighborhood is covered as a historical site (my office in Georgetown). If you are in a home with an association, they can't prohibit you from putting up a dish (or WHERE you put up a dish) - went to the state supreme court in VA last summer. They also can't prohibit you from putting up an arial (FYI). If you're in an apartment, they cannot prohibit you from having a dish, they *can* prohibit you from permanently affixing it to their structure - you basically have to either lash it to your balcony railing (using a mounting pole for support) or have it inside pointing out a window. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 14:34:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73IYs800294 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.11] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:34:23 -0700 Received: from navieg1 ([129.193.4.9]) by navieg3.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:35:24 0000 (GMT) Received: (from RESVA-MS6 [158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 61) with SMTP id M2000080311343931744 for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:34:39 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:33:53 -0400 Message-Id: <3989BB23.92883EF@trw.com> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:34:10 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kristina M. Rogish" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Cycles Party - Ideas? References: <4.1.20000802150947.00a1ea10@intertv.com> <39889AF7.B4D95926@cox.rr.com> <39899940.B29B3B0D@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes!!! Another Red Sox fan crying out in rightious anger against the Yankee scourge! Let us all pray that Pedro brings down a rain of "K"s on the heads of the infidel! Oh, and the 23rd sounds good to me too. Randy "The Kid" Moran "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > Yippee! Party! > The 23rd is better for me, as I'll be in beautiful Fenway Park the weekend of > the 9th, watching my future husband, Pedro, kick some Yankee ass! :-) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 14:40:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73IeT800385 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:40:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: '00 SV650 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:40:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I thought these were rare as hen's teeth but Cycles Accessories in Gaithersburg has a used one for sale Dunno if it's a 99 or 00 "2000 SV650 blue, 600 miles, $4,500 Call Rock at 301-473-8026 Bike is in Frederick, MD This is not my bike so you'll need to call, not e-mail me." Suzuki GS 450 E: My 1980 ate another ignitor. I haven't found another ignitor for a reasonable price so I'm offering parts (real cheap) off of this one (barely 61,000 miles, dropped in DC traffic several times thus, has many custom features) Even unreasonable offers may be accepted. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 14:41:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73If0800395 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008031841.e73If0800395@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from Dsotm60273@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.15.77a3326 (15891) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web43.aolmail.aol.com (web43.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.4]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:40:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:40:47 EDT From: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX Subject: bike shops in DC? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Hi all, I've been in DC for a few months now and I need to get to a bike shop. Changed my oil about 2000 miles ago, need to do it again. Also could use some S100, etc. So does anyone know a good shop in the area that is open relatively late? I never get out of work before 4 (usually 5) and am in Arlington at work. Any ideas where I can go on the way home or after work? BTW I live on 17th st. Thanks, Tony 99 Superhawk From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 14:53:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73Irk800641 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-72.patriot.net [209.249.180.72]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e73Irf531942; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:53:41 -0400 Message-ID: <3989BDE1.C07CB0A9@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:45:54 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FGrefe@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider References: <37.8688301.26bafa40@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try Fairfax Co - NO speedvision and NO neked women. Of course one can pay extra $$$ for some of that, but methinks $50/mo is quite enough. Bill FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 8/3/00 12:13:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > BryanRoach@XXXXXX writes: > > > DirecTV rocks... plain and simple. > > They did the same thing in Loudoun to speedvision - they cut it off at > like > > 9pm and play the Playboy channel or something > > I have DirecTV too, but I'd love it if they'd show the Playboy channel > instead of their cheesy late night movies. > Cheesy movies = bad > naked girls = good > > Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 15:08:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f113.hotmail.com [209.185.131.176]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73J8W800900 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:08:24 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, bernescut@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:08:24 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2000 19:08:24.0574 (UTC) FILETIME=[329119E0:01BFFD7E] >If you are in a home with an association, they can't prohibit you from >putting up a dish (or WHERE you put up a dish) - went to the state supreme >court in VA last summer. They also can't prohibit you from putting up an >arial (FYI). > Almost true! I'm the VP of our homeoner's association in Virginia, and I also work with National Telecommunications and Information Administration here in the Department of Commerce. The law governing this is the (Federal) Communications Act of 1996. Under this law a homeowners association (or state or local government) can (and we do) regulate how and where you put up such a dish and antenna, but such association regulations cannot make it impossible for you to receive a good signal. We have prohibited such antennas from being put on the front facade of all houses in our association. So far nobody has successfully claimed that the only place they could get a signal was if they put the thing on the front of the house (although several have tried!). But it also depends on the specific association's covenents -- some simply are so out of date or poorly written that its not clear exactly what they can regulate about home exterior fixtures, so the courts rule against the association and allows the homeowner to do whatever he wants. Bottom line here is that all this keeps the lawyers very busy! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 15:18:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73JIR801104 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-248-125.s379.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.248.125] helo=bigfoot.com) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13KQVb-0005Tp-00; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:18:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3989C57E.B163B236@bigfoot.com> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:18:22 -0400 From: vulgar_power X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: Matthew Ehlert , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: If you get a ticket... References: <20000803114710.11754.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't know about VA, but it doesn't work in Texas or Nebraska. Matter of fact, from what I've seen in various emails on other lists, it doesn't work anywhere. -j Y2K 750 A.C.E. Glenn Dysart wrote: > This is an old one and as far as I know it will NOT > work in VA. > > Glenn > > --- Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > Here you go Mr improv (got this from > > cindy)....thought > > you like to read it since you have been getting sooo > > many tickets this summer!:)))) well that's of > > course > > if you want to plead guilty!! > > > > >Hey, > > >Don't know if this will work, but it's worth a try! > > > > > > > > >Just thought I would share this with you, as you > > know I work in the > > ticket > > >enforcement division and in the course of my > > investigation into > > fines, > > >their > > >payment methods, and how points are assessed > > against > > drivers > > >licenses" we discovered something very > > interesting. > > If You Get A > > Traffic > > >Ticket, This has been tried and it works..... > > >I tried to send this to everyone I know. I know > > that > > for a fact this > > >works > > >so if you ever get in this situation, you have an > > out. We discovered > > that > > >this procedure works in every state. Read it and > > try > > it, you have > > nothing > > >to > > >lose but the points on your license. > > > > > >This is how it works: > > > > > >If you get a speeding ticket or went through a red > > light or whatever > > the > > >case may be, and you are going to get points on > > your > > license, then > > there > > >is a method to ensure that you DO NOT get any > > points. When you get > > your > > >fine, send in the check to pay for it and if the > > fine > > is say, $79, > > then > > >make the check out for $82 or some small amount > > over > > the fine. The > > system > > >will then have to send you back a check for the > > difference, > > >but here is the trick! ***DO NOT CASH THE REFUND > > CHECK!!!*** > > >Throw it away!! Points are not assessed to your > > license > > >until all financial transactions are complete. If > > you > > do not cash the > > >check, then the transactions are NOT complete. > > However, the system has > > >gotten > > >its money and is happy and will not bother you any > > more. This > > information > > >came > > >to our attention from a very reliable computer > > company that sets up > > the > > >standard database used by each states' DMV. > > > > > >Good luck and share this with all your friends and > > other family > > members, > > >as > > >well!!! > > > > > >Ticket Enforcement Division > > > > > >Jocelyn G. Viray Basmayor > > >Administrative Assistant II > > >San Diego Unified Port District > > >Corporate Services > > >619) 686-6574 Office > > >619) 686-6555 Fax > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 15:19:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73JJ1801124 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-248-125.s379.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.248.125] helo=bigfoot.com) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13KQWC-0005ZM-00; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:19:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3989C5A3.F78C8236@bigfoot.com> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:18:59 -0400 From: vulgar_power X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: Matthew Ehlert , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: If you get a ticket... References: <20000803114710.11754.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't know about VA, but it doesn't work in Texas or Nebraska. Matter of fact, from what I've seen in various emails on other lists, it doesn't work anywhere. -j Y2K 750 A.C.E. Glenn Dysart wrote: > This is an old one and as far as I know it will NOT > work in VA. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 15:26:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net [129.250.36.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73JQ0801206 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13KQct-0005MN-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:25:55 +0000 Received: from [209.70.174.26] (helo=david500) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13KQct-0004DJ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:25:55 +0000 Message-ID: <00ba01bffd80$f12c0b60$1aae46d1@bdanet.com> Reply-To: "Dave Cross" From: "Dave Cross" To: References: <37.8688301.26bafa40@aol.com> <3989BDE1.C07CB0A9@patriot.net> Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:28:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > Try Fairfax Co - NO speedvision and NO neked women. I have Speedvision in Fairfax County via Cox cable. The channel is shared with Outdoor Life Network (OLN) but it doesn't interfere with Tuesday's and Sunday's Motorcycle coverage. Once when they made the switch to OLN at 11:00PM on one Sunday's their clock got screwed up and it would switch over at about 10:50 or so, usually just before the start of the last lap of the GP races!! Nothing like watching a dramatic World GP race only to miss the last lap!! Picture Kenny Roberts Jr. battling with Alex Barros for the win only to be instantly and abruptly switched to shots of dolphins swimming in the ocean (nothing against dolphins of course). Needless to say I was pissed. The first time I figured it was a one time screw up, but after the second straight Sunday I called them and explained to them what they were doing and they fixed it before the next weekend. They wouldn't have known if I wouldn't have called them they said because a computer makes the switch. dave From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 15:29:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73JTL801327 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:26:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'DCCy'" Subject: FS: '83 V65 Magna Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:26:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Due to financial reasons, I'm selling my bike. I love it, love paying my bills more. I'm out of town on and off until August 21st. I'll put this in the post then. If anybody's interested, let me know. 1st $1,800 from a DC Cyclist or SabMaggot takes him. He needs someone who'll appreciate him. -Mark located in Woodbridge, VA (near DC) =========================================================================== For Sale: '83 Honda V65 Magna, blue 26,000 miles (8k since I bought it two years ago) What's wrong with it: both mufflers scratched, both front turn signal stalks cracked, seat leather split, shiny bit that covers light switch is gone, choke cable is sticky... What's right: pretty much everything else, considering it's 17 years old. D207s with lots of rubber left. Soft saddle bags. Runs great. original tool kit. Chilton's manual. 1 year old battery. Maintenance: had a complete tune up when I bought it, fluid and bad hoses replaced. Oil changed every 3k (due @ 27k). Price: $2,000 Mark Petty (703)494-5408 (home, before 9pm, please, got kids) (703)480-3071 (work) mpetty@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 15:58:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web1304.mail.yahoo.com (web1304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.154]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e73Jwe801970 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1190 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2000 19:58:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000803195837.1189.qmail@web1304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web1304.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:58:37 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:58:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Improv Subject: Re: FW: If you get a ticket... To: Matthew Ehlert Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Matt - you are really busting my chops....YOU KNOW for a fact i would never outright admit my guilt and pay more then the fine(or pay more taxes as I call it) and hope for the best. I am fighting everyone of my tickets! God bless America - ticketing me for 10mph over the limit. improv --- Matthew Ehlert wrote: > Here you go Mr improv (got this from > cindy)....thought > you like to read it since you have been getting sooo > many tickets this summer!:)))) well that's of > course > if you want to plead guilty!! > > >Hey, > >Don't know if this will work, but it's worth a try! > > > > > >Just thought I would share this with you, as you > know I work in the > ticket > >enforcement division and in the course of my > investigation into > fines, > >their > >payment methods, and how points are assessed > against > drivers > >licenses" we discovered something very > interesting. > If You Get A > Traffic > >Ticket, This has been tried and it works..... > >I tried to send this to everyone I know. I know > that > for a fact this > >works > >so if you ever get in this situation, you have an > out. We discovered > that > >this procedure works in every state. Read it and > try > it, you have > nothing > >to > >lose but the points on your license. > > > >This is how it works: > > > >If you get a speeding ticket or went through a red > light or whatever > the > >case may be, and you are going to get points on > your > license, then > there > >is a method to ensure that you DO NOT get any > points. When you get > your > >fine, send in the check to pay for it and if the > fine > is say, $79, > then > >make the check out for $82 or some small amount > over > the fine. The > system > >will then have to send you back a check for the > difference, > >but here is the trick! ***DO NOT CASH THE REFUND > CHECK!!!*** > >Throw it away!! Points are not assessed to your > license > >until all financial transactions are complete. If > you > do not cash the > >check, then the transactions are NOT complete. > However, the system has > >gotten > >its money and is happy and will not bother you any > more. This > information > >came > >to our attention from a very reliable computer > company that sets up > the > >standard database used by each states' DMV. > > > >Good luck and share this with all your friends and > other family > members, > >as > >well!!! > > > >Ticket Enforcement Division > > > >Jocelyn G. Viray Basmayor > >Administrative Assistant II > >San Diego Unified Port District > >Corporate Services > >619) 686-6574 Office > >619) 686-6555 Fax > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 17:23:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r19.mx.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73LNQ803717 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGerm@XXXXXX by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.5b.98147b6 (4443) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:23:03 -0400 (EDT) From: HGerm@XXXXXX Message-ID: <5b.98147b6.26bb3cb6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:23:02 EDT Subject: New Bike selection - Thanks, the list narrows! - Laura's fault! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 I'd like to start out by saying, this is all Laura's fault. I was perfectly content with my Valkyrie; until I had a brief chat with Laura. In a matter of seconds, she was able to convince me I was not as happy as I could be.... truth be known, I was already thinking of a new bike... but Laura pushed me over the edge :) The list VFR - VTR - Bandit - more help in selection requested. Thanks Off the LIST: The Hayabusa is off the list - so says my insurance company :) The GSX-R750 is off the list - so says my chiropractor :) The CBR-929 is off the list - so says my experience level/insurance company :) The R1 is off the list - see all the above - plus nobody has one :) On the LIST: The 1200 Bandit (2001) - hard to beat! Pros: 1. Meets all my requirements 2. Easy on the pocket 3. Insurance friendly :) 4. Everybody loves this bike Cons: 1. not at dealers yet :( 2. wanted more exotic styling 3. Perhaps something more "flickable" VTR1000 Pros: 1. Exotic 2. Can you say "torque"? 3. Nice styling, I'd look good on it :) 4. Good Ergos (for this type bike) 5. Easy on the pocket to buy. 6. My favorite dealer has it :) Cons: 1. Probably not as comfortable as the Bandit 2. Not as insurance friendly as the Bandit - but not as bad as the Hayabusa 3. More expensive than the Bandit VFR800 Pros: 1. Everyone LOVES this bike. 2. All day ERGO to be sure. Cons: 1. If a Bandit blew by me I'd be pissed, and back at the DEALER :) Input into the above list desired!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks! From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 17:26:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73LQi803763 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.74.1c8ec8d (4219) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:26:25 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <74.1c8ec8d.26bb3d81@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:26:25 EDT Subject: Weekend Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Since I only received 2 responses to the ride I offered to lead I'm canceling it. I'm not sure why no one is interested...maybe not enough people know me or it is just bad timing. Anyway I'll just try again another time. Just wanted to let all know it's been canceled... Steve From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 17:52:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73Lqd804372 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailserver1.crosslink.net (yeti.crosslink.net [206.246.124.17]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id RAA28881 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:52:25 -0400 X-Really-To: Received: from [128.38.92.18] (account ) by mailserver1.crosslink.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1) with HTTP id 16901334 for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:52:25 -0400 From: biga@XXXXXX (Andrew Culpepper) Subject: Re: Weekend Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:52:25 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74.1c8ec8d.26bb3d81@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Steve, A lot of us wait till the last minute to make decisions. I was trying to decide between the races at Summit or the ride. I was leaning towards the ride since only an endurance race is being run Saturday. Maybe there's still a chance? Andrew M-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$J. Andrew Culpepper King George, VA (540) 775-3984 '90 EX500 S-TRA# 100 MGNOC# 15488 On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:26:25 EDT SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > Since I only received 2 responses to the ride I offered to lead > I'm > canceling it. I'm not sure why no one is interested...maybe not > enough people > know me or it is just bad timing. > Anyway I'll just try again another time. Just wanted to let all > know it's > been canceled... > Steve From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 17:57:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73Lvq804498 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-211-163.s163.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.211.163] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13KSzs-0000Y1-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:57:48 -0400 Message-ID: <010c01bffd95$72783c20$a3d33ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <200008031841.e73If0800395@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: bike shops in DC? Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:25:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 My bike maintenance is largely a do-it-yourself operation, but when I outsource I go to Crossroads Cycle in Bailey's Crossroads. There are no bike shops in DC proper, at least none that I'm aware of. I have my wife follow me in the cage when I drop off the bike, so I don't know much about the public transit options in the Bailey's area. Maybe a bus once every half hour down Columbia Pike to the Pentagon Metro if you're lucky. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC (Capitol Hill) 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 2:40 PM Subject: bike shops in DC? > Hi all, > I've been in DC for a few months now and I need to get to a bike shop. Changed my oil about 2000 miles ago, need to do it again. Also could use some S100, etc. So does anyone know a good shop in the area that is open relatively late? I never get out of work before 4 (usually 5) and am in Arlington at work. Any ideas where I can go on the way home or after work? BTW I live on 17th st. > Thanks, > Tony > 99 Superhawk > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 17:58:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73LwR804520 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 3.f9.1818b76 (4219); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:57:40 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:57:39 EDT Subject: Re: Weekend Ride To: zbig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 zbig@XXXXXX writes: << Oh well, maybe it was not a ride, but a popularity contest :-). >> I'm sorry...if I'd have known you were interested I could have done something different. It has nothing to do with popularity...I just decided I would take my boys jet-skiing since only 2 were interested and try the ride another day so more could make it. I'll offer to lead another soon and do it no matter who shows, OK? :) Steve From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 18:40:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e73Mdx805724 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-134-240.s494.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.134.240] helo=l4rite) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13KTeb-00066w-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:39:54 -0400 Message-ID: <053f01bffd9b$7ec10380$8a82a4d8@l4rite> From: "L4rite" To: References: Subject: Re: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:38:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider That is the reason I got DirectTV with the Sports package.....I get Speedvision and all of the regional sports channels....for $15 more than I paid for cable with no SV or movies...when I called the cable guys to cut my service, they sounded dejected a bit....but then again they have a million other customers so why would they worry about me....later Les From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 18:52:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e73Mq3805966 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28837 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2000 22:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (24.15.187.164) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2000 22:51:15 -0000 Message-ID: <3989F6FE.F60300@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:49:34 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: request: parking in dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Anyone happen to have a copy of that post about all the motorcycle-friendly parking areas in the District? I thought I had it stashed away somewhere, but evidently I don't... Much thanks, Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 3 21:51:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com (web5201.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e741ph809065 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000804015117.2766.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.86.113] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:51:17 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:51:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: going to the Sunday Races at Summit Point To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For any of you that want to join me.. I'm heading up to Summit Point Raceway, WV this Sunday. I need to know who's ready to join me and a few friends Sunday at my house at 10 a.m. So shoot me an email off list if you want me to look for you, otherwise..just show up! We can also swing by the Route 7 Burger King in Sterling if we need to pick anyone up on the way. I would estimate we could be there by 10:30 - 10:45 a.m. I'll swing by if I know someone wants to hook up with us, otherwise we'll glance over for some bikes and keep going if we don't see anyone. Where: My house, "Casa Insomnia" 3301 N. George Mason Dr. Arlington, VA 22207 Directions: >From DC: West on I-66, take Glebe Rd. exit and North (Right) on Glebe Rd. (cross over Lee Hwy.) continue to intersection of Glebe Rd. and Old Dominion Dr., Left on Old Dominion Dr., at the second traffic light take a Left on Williamsburg Blvd., 2nd left on N. George Mason Dr. - the house is 3301 N. George Mason Dr. on the left. >From Beltway: East on I-66, take North Fairfax Dr. exit, continue two 2nd light and Left (North) on Glebe Rd. (cross over Lee Hwy.) continue to intersection of Glebe Rd. and Old Dominion Dr., Left on Old Dominion Dr., at the second traffic light take a Left on Williamsburg Blvd., 2nd left on N. George Mason Dr. - the house is 3301 N. George Mason Dr. on the left. It's a good idea to: -bring $20 for admission -wear sunscreen/bring a cap or hat - there's very little shade -bring bottled water and maybe a lunch - they have a snack bar with limited fare though -rain gear optional but always a good idea - just in case. -Corbett '99 K1200RS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 01:52:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e745qd812781 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-239-40.s294.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.239.40]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13KaPM-00052u-00; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 01:52:37 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: HGerm@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Bike selection - Thanks, the list narrows! - Laura's fault! Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 08:56:15 GMT Message-ID: <398a8485.682937387@smtp.erols.com> References: <5b.98147b6.26bb3cb6@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <5b.98147b6.26bb3cb6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e745qx812782 On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:23:02 EDT, you wrote: |>The R1 is off the list - see all the above - plus nobody has one :) Oh well I knew of someone selling a 2000 R1 for $8500 (slightly used). what happened to considering the TL1000S ? It's got a sporty look and is supposed to have the same power as the TL1000. For a bike without plastic, it sure looks good. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 07:15:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74BFW818856 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-63.208.167.88.Washington2.Level3.net [63.208.167.88]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA20075 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 04:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: Subject: slip-ons Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:08:09 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bffe04$45d6e9e0$58a7d03f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01BFFDE2.BEC549E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000EBEB2A3CBD8FBF11BB392EC62A9E969A04312200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BFFDE2.BEC549E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Been wanting to get a set of slip-ons for my VTR1000. Oval carbon-fibre preferably, high-quality, performance enhancing, etc., as well as LOUD. I mean I want to piss off every neighbor I have. (not really, but you get the point.) I've been doing some calls and have reached the point of saying "jeez I just don't have the time to sort through all the different brands & models they offer within a realisitc timeframe (before winter)." I would appreciate any insight the list is willing to offer as to brands to focus on for my bike, and where is the best place to order them. anyone have any particularly good/bad experiences? Thanks. 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I have some space in the farmhouse I am renting and would like to cut down on expenses....2-3 bedrooms are available notes: very large yard large barn for bike storage, work CAC Potomac is quiet and convenient Frank Stallone would be your landlord, and he's in Fla. Each room is approx. $500/month -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 07:26:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74BQX818964 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id i.5b.98620f4 (3968); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:26:15 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <5b.98620f4.26bc0257@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:26:15 EDT Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider To: dhallis@XXXXXX, bernescut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 8/3/00 3:08:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dhallis@XXXXXX writes: > Bottom line here is that all this keeps > the lawyers very busy! Only because some people are anal enough to care where an 18" dish goes on someone else's house. Or what color their door is for that matter. Mine's smack dab on the front of mine... because that's where I wanted to put it. After being told that I was not "allowed" to put it there, I calmly explained that was fine, but that the association would need to provide someone who would climb onto my roof when it snowed to clean the dish (3 story townhouse) with a reasonable response time, and that my attourney would be glad to draw up a contract. Suddenly it was juuuusssst fine for me to have my dish where it was. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 09:13:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74DDq821084 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e74DDiS09234 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 06:13:45 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: RE: request: parking in dc Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:14:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bffe15$e3178140$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3989F6FE.F60300@flashmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I found Chris's old post (a 150 meg .pst file comes in handy sometimes!) Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA > " Everybody is somebody else's weirdo." I got this faxed to me from the DC Dept. of Public Works, Transportation Systems Administration, 14 January 1997. Not sure how current they all are. Chris Norloff ********************************************************************** Parking Tips: 1. When parked in spaces designed for their exclusive use, motorcycles must park in designated areas with rear wheel to the curb. 2. Metered parking is in effect during the hours posted. 3. No motorized vehicle without pedals shall park on islands or sidewalks. 4. Park one motorcycle per stall. 5. Most parking is metered for 12 hours, at 25 cents per hour. 6. Motorcycles may park in metered zones for automobiles providing the parking meter is paid. When parked in spaces designed for automobiles, motorcycles should park parallel to the curb. 800 block Vermont Ave, NW -- 23 spaces 800 block C St. SW -- 10 600 block Indiana Ave. NW -- 6 600 block G St. NW --6 200 block Independence Ave SE -- 9 600 block 2nd St. NW -- 10 spaces 2000 block T St NW -- 10 1300 block New York Ave NW -- 10 1700 block M St. NW -- 31 1400 block G St. NW -- 14 2100 block Eye St. NW -- 10 spaces 1800 block H St NW -- 16 2200 block E St NW -- 9 Unit block G St NW -- 8 1100 block Vermont Ave NW -- 10 1200 block New Hampshire Ave NW -- 20 spaces 1500 block 19th St NW -- 7 1700 block G St NW -- 11 2200 block F St NW -- 6 1400 block M St NW -- 6 300 block Eye St NW -- 14 spaces 600 block E St NW -- 6 900 block 15th St NW -- 12 1800 block Eye St NW -- 9 1300 block K St NW -- 9 1800 block Pennsylvania Ave NW -- 9 spaces 2000 block Florida Ave NW -- 10 300 block Virginia Ave SW -- 10 1800 block M St NW -- 24 1100 block Thomas Jefferson St NW -- 5 3000 block VanNess St NW -- 13 spaces 2500 block 6th St NW -- 10 -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 6:50 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: request: parking in dc Hey, Anyone happen to have a copy of that post about all the motorcycle-friendly parking areas in the District? I thought I had it stashed away somewhere, but evidently I don't... Much thanks, Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 09:32:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74DWu821755 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA14458; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:28:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , Subject: RE: slip-ons Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:32:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01BFFDF6.D8D9D580" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: In-Reply-To: <000a01bffe04$45d6e9e0$58a7d03f@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BFFDF6.D8D9D580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You'd be best to look at the VTR FAQ on www.sport-twin.com. You can search through previous posts by keyword or go to a specific area you're interested in. I also have a VTR, but haven't gone down the slip-on road yet. I (and Todd Peer did this too I think) have done a "bafflectomy" on my stock pipes for a much-improved sound. This is simply taking a pair of hole saws to the small back plate of the pipes and pulling out the rearmost internal pipe. I can detail this for you if you like, and there are lots of resources on the net about doing this to a VTR >From what I've heard, the most common slip-ons for VTRs are Two Brothers Racing (TBR). They offer a lot of options (carbon fiber, kevlar, carbon-kevlar combo, aluminum, high mount, low mount etc) for VTRs and you can get them through their website at www.two-bros.com. A common pipe for the VTR is also Jardine. They offer a nice high-mount option which allows you to keep the passenger pegs, IIRC. The Jardines have a reputation for not making any more power than the stock pipes, however. You'll probably get 3-4 hp out of most other pipes, which is IMO not significant enough to make a difference. MiG also offers high-mounts (if that's what you're after) that look really good. If you want LOUD, MiG is the way to go, or so I've heard. Two Brothers is middle-of-the-road, as are the Jardines. If you want to write me with other brands that I may have heard about, feel free. I would recommend www.braincell.com/kiernan (Kiernan Racing Supplies) for a good, cheap mail-order company. They've done well by me in the past in terms of price, service and quick turn-around. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Big Matty [mailto:vtrman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 4:08 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: slip-ons > > Been wanting to get a set of slip-ons for my VTR1000. Oval carbon-fibre > preferably, high-quality, performance enhancing, etc., as well as LOUD. I > mean I want to piss off every neighbor I have. 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dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: slip-ons References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is hilarious - and you guys rank on Harleys for loud pipes? But never fear - your local drugstore sells earplugs. Bill Christopher Weaver wrote: > You'd be best to look at the VTR FAQ on www.sport-twin.com. You can search > through previous posts by keyword or go to a specific area you're interested > in. I also have a VTR, but haven't gone down the slip-on road yet. > > I (and Todd Peer did this too I think) have done a "bafflectomy" on my stock > pipes for a much-improved sound. This is simply taking a pair of hole saws > to the small back plate of the pipes and pulling out the rearmost internal > pipe. I can detail this for you if you like, and there are lots of resources > on the net about doing this to a VTR > > >From what I've heard, the most common slip-ons for VTRs are Two Brothers > Racing (TBR). They offer a lot of options (carbon fiber, kevlar, > carbon-kevlar combo, aluminum, high mount, low mount etc) for VTRs and you > can get them through their website at www.two-bros.com. A common pipe for > the VTR is also Jardine. They offer a nice high-mount option which allows > you to keep the passenger pegs, IIRC. The Jardines have a reputation for not > making any more power than the stock pipes, however. You'll probably get 3-4 > hp out of most other pipes, which is IMO not significant enough to make a > difference. MiG also offers high-mounts (if that's what you're after) that > look really good. If you want LOUD, MiG is the way to go, or so I've heard. > Two Brothers is middle-of-the-road, as are the Jardines. > > If you want to write me with other brands that I may have heard about, feel > free. > > I would recommend www.braincell.com/kiernan (Kiernan Racing Supplies) for a > good, cheap mail-order company. They've done well by me in the past in terms > of price, service and quick turn-around. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Big Matty [mailto:vtrman@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 4:08 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: slip-ons > > > > Been wanting to get a set of slip-ons for my VTR1000. Oval carbon-fibre > > preferably, high-quality, performance enhancing, etc., as well as LOUD. I > > mean I want to piss off every neighbor I have. (not really, but you get > > the point.) > > > > I've been doing some calls and have reached the point of saying "jeez I > > just don't have the time to sort through all the different brands & models > > they offer within a realisitc timeframe (before winter)." > > > > I would appreciate any insight the list is willing to offer as to brands > > to focus on for my bike, and where is the best place to order them. > > anyone have any particularly good/bad experiences? > > > > Thanks. > > Matt > > > > Matt Pflieger > > vtrman@XXXXXX > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Name: winmail.dat > winmail.dat Type: WordPerfect Document (6.1) File (application/x-unknown-content-type-WPWin6.1File) > Encoding: base64 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 10:00:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74E0X822697 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA14724; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:55:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Bill Huson" , Subject: RE: slip-ons Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:59:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <398AC92E.D0B87C2C@patriot.net> No worries, Bill. The loudest pipes I've ever heard on a VTR are no match for any of the Harleys I heard at last year's Rolling Thunder. I've actually put stock pipes back on my bike because I've decided I prefer it a bit quieter than the bafflectomy or aftermarket slip-ons (especially for long trips like the one I have planned). Don't call us hypocrites until you hear the difference between our definition of "loud" and that of the average Harley enthusiast. :^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 6:46 AM To: Christopher Weaver Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: slip-ons This is hilarious - and you guys rank on Harleys for loud pipes? But never fear - your local drugstore sells earplugs. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 10:07:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74E6w822948 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-28.patriot.net [209.249.181.28]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e74E6q505690; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:06:53 -0400 Message-ID: <398ACC27.603894AB@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:59:03 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Weaver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: slip-ons References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have heard loud - the only real differance is the pitch. Decibals are about the same on a breathed jap-o-scoot, but the pitch is higher. Anything above 80db is against the wishes of the DOT. The ticket would read the same regardless of the marque. Bill stealth pipe harley rider Christopher Weaver wrote: > No worries, Bill. The loudest pipes I've ever heard on a VTR are no match > for any of the Harleys I heard at last year's Rolling Thunder. I've actually > put stock pipes back on my bike because I've decided I prefer it a bit > quieter than the bafflectomy or aftermarket slip-ons (especially for long > trips like the one I have planned). > > Don't call us hypocrites until you hear the difference between our > definition of "loud" and that of the average Harley enthusiast. :^) > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 6:46 AM > To: Christopher Weaver > Cc: vtrman@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: slip-ons > > This is hilarious - and you guys rank on Harleys for loud pipes? > But never fear - your local drugstore sells earplugs. > > Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 10:14:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74EEv823277 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA14882; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:10:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Bill Huson" Cc: Subject: RE: slip-ons Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:13:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <398ACC27.603894AB@patriot.net> Bill, A VTR is a twin, not a screaming four-banger like Ninjas, CBRs etc. It sounds a bit like a muted Harley (slightly different pitch) revving a little faster. I agree that some of those bikes have irritatingly loud pipes. You sound a little defensive for someone with quiet pipes. ;^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 6:59 AM To: Christopher Weaver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: slip-ons I have heard loud - the only real differance is the pitch. Decibals are about the same on a breathed jap-o-scoot, but the pitch is higher. Anything above 80db is against the wishes of the DOT. The ticket would read the same regardless of the marque. Bill stealth pipe harley rider From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 10:21:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f15.hotmail.com [209.185.131.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74ELj823441 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:21:37 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend Ride Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:21:37 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2000 14:21:37.0373 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CB058D0:01BFFE1F] Well is ANYBODY up for a ride this weekend????? Even if Steve isn't up for leading a ride, we can try to put one together with a different meeting spot, say the gas station where Rt 55 and 15 meet in Haymarket tomorrow am? For a few hours.... I've got a couple of routes that we can try.... >From: biga@XXXXXX (Andrew Culpepper) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Weekend Ride >Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:52:25 -0400 > >Hi Steve, > A lot of us wait till the last minute to make decisions. I was >trying to decide between the races at Summit or the ride. I was >leaning towards the ride since only an endurance race is being run >Saturday. Maybe there's still a chance? > >Andrew > >M-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$J. >Andrew Culpepper King George, VA (540) 775-3984 >'90 EX500 S-TRA# 100 MGNOC# 15488 > >On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:26:25 EDT > SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > > Since I only received 2 responses to the ride I offered to lead > > I'm > > canceling it. I'm not sure why no one is interested...maybe not > > enough people > > know me or it is just bad timing. > > Anyway I'll just try again another time. Just wanted to let all > > know it's > > been canceled... > > Steve > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 11:28:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74FSp825070 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA19656 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000804112717.00a0e590@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:30:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: DC Cycles Party Date Set! In-Reply-To: References: <74.1c8ec8d.26bb3d81@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Seems like the most people can make it on September 23, so that's when we'll have it. We'll start around 5PM and if it's warm enough we'll be grilling burgers & such... Directions to follow. There will be some beer & wine, some munchies & such, but feel free to bring anything else! We won't turn down free food, alcohol, etc... Feel free to bring along friends, SOs, etc.. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 11:44:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74Fi4825354 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.17.93d9b03 (4553) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:43:54 -0400 (EDT) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <17.93d9b03.26bc3eba@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:43:54 EDT Subject: Re: Weekend Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 In a message dated 08/04/2000 10:23:24 Eastern Daylight Time, dhallis@XXXXXX writes: << Well is ANYBODY up for a ride this weekend???? >> My weekend plans just got cancelled so I'm probably going to go on a tour of WVA starting Saturday morning (8am) from Manassas. No route set yet, but I may stay overnight and continue riding on Sunday. E-mail me off line if you are interested in going with me. I won't be able to answer any emails until 4 or 5 this afternoon. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 12:00:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74G0X825690 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20356 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:49:28 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.92) with SMTP id MAA30200 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:00:24 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256931.0057EC53 ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:00:21 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256931.005784D4.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:55:53 -0400 Subject: FW: Vulcan 800 FS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Tell him you heard it from me, and I get money. :) I believe the bike is about a year old. Keith writes... >The bike is good condition. I am selling it as I don't like to leave it >outside and want to start saving for a Harley. The asking price is $4500. >Full details can be found at http://www.robertory.com/bike.htm. > > >Thanks, >Keith > >------------------------------ >Keith Robertory >keith@XXXXXX Thanks, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '58 / '65 Triton "kit" http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 12:19:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74GJ0825943 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8S32N9>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:17:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Road trip to Atlantic City Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:17:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" By chance I will probably be riding a late model Harley Davidson to Atlantic City and back this weekend (don't ask why). Anybody have any favorite roads, restaurants, etc. along the way? I'd be glad to hear 'em as soon as possible (i.e. before 5pm tonight) so I can plan the short-notice trip. Looking forward to responses! Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 12:39:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74GdF826282 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008041639.e74GdF826282@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id m.c0.7609f75 (15883); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web29.aolmail.aol.com (web29.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.5]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:38:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:38:43 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike shops in DC? To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown I'll have to swing by this place and check it out but, there is a shop on 13th and N, NW. It's listed as a dealer. I'll let you know. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 3 Aug 2000 6:00:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Paul A. Wilson" writes: << My bike maintenance is largely a do-it-yourself operation, but when I outsource I go to Crossroads Cycle in Bailey's Crossroads. There are no bike shops in DC proper, at least none that I'm aware of. I have my wife follow me in the cage when I drop off the bike, so I don't know much about the public transit options in the Bailey's area. Maybe a bus once every half hour down Columbia Pike to the Pentagon Metro if you're lucky. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC (Capitol Hill) 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 2:40 PM Subject: bike shops in DC? > Hi all, > I've been in DC for a few months now and I need to get to a bike shop. Changed my oil about 2000 miles ago, need to do it again. Also could use some S100, etc. So does anyone know a good shop in the area that is open relatively late? I never get out of work before 4 (usually 5) and am in Arlington at work. Any ideas where I can go on the way home or after work? BTW I live on 17th st. > Thanks, > Tony > 99 Superhawk > >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 12:40:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e74Gej826289 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO ltannernt) (162.70.165.62) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2000 16:29:41 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <00ee01bffe31$2f0ff210$3ea546a2@amsinc.com> From: "Lin_Tan" To: Subject: Who's racing this weekend? Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:53:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Any of the stalwart DC-Cycles racers racing this weekend? I might be going up on Sunday and would like to have someone to cheer on. LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 12:41:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74Gf1826291 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008041641.e74Gf1826291@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id l.c1.5bb0d9a (15879); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web35.aolmail.aol.com (web35.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.11]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:40:24 2000 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:40:23 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: request: parking in dc To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown I've got it somewhere on my computer at home but, by then you'll probably have gotten it from someone else. Let me know if you don't. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 3 Aug 2000 6:53:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dale Horstman writes: << Hey, Anyone happen to have a copy of that post about all the motorcycle-friendly parking areas in the District? I thought I had it stashed away somewhere, but evidently I don't... Much thanks, Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 13:49:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74Hnk828118 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:49:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'horkster@XXXXXX'" , "'DCCy'" Subject: request: parking in dc Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:49:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Updated (by me) as of July Corrections appreciated: Parking Tips: 1. When parked in spaces designed for their exclusive use, motorcycles must park in designated areas with rear wheel to the curb. 2. Metered parking is in effect during the hours posted. 3. No motorized vehicle without pedals shall park on islands or sidewalks. ($50!! BTDT) 4. Park one motorcycle per stall. 5. Most parking is metered for 4 hours, at 25 cents per hour. 6. Motorcycles may park in metered zones for automobiles providing the parking meter is paid. When parked in spaces designed for automobiles, motorcycles should park parallel to the curb. 300 block Eye St NW -- 14 spaces 800 block Vermont Ave, NW -- 23 spaces (meters more expensive) 600 block Indiana Ave. NW -- 6 (In the shade, next to 6th) 600 block E St NW -- 6 (Not marked, no meters) 600 block G St. NW --6 (Not there anymore??) 600 block 2nd St. NW -- 10 spaces 2000 block T St NW -- 10 1300 block New York Ave NW -- 10 1700 block M St. NW -- 31 1400 block G St. NW -- 14 2100 block Eye St. NW -- 10 spaces 1800 block H St NW -- 16 (shaded) 2200 block E St NW -- 9 1100 block Vermont Ave NW -- 10 Unit block G St NW -- 8 (On the south side of G St. immediately west of North Capitol. No meters, just a sign that says Motorcycle parking. LB) 1200 block New Hampshire Ave NW -- 20 spaces 1500 block 19th St NW -- 7 1700 block G St NW -- 11 2200 block F St NW -- 6 1400 block M St NW -- 6 900 block 15th St NW -- 12 1800 block Eye St NW -- 9 1300 block K St NW -- 9 (Next to 14th, shaded from noon sun; where the elite parque) 1800 block Pennsylvania Ave NW -- 9 spaces 2000 block Florida Ave NW -- 10 1800 block M St NW -- 24 1100 block Thomas Jefferson St NW -- 5 3000 block VanNess St NW -- 13 spaces 2500 block 6th St NW -- 10 200 block Independence Ave SE -- 9 300 block Virginia Ave SW -- 10 800 block C St. SW -- 10 Some might find this useful: There is free motorcycle parking (no meter heads) on C, SW between 12th & 14 behind USDA. In the USDA parking lot on Independence close to 12th On the SW side of the Humphrey building (200 Independence?) the Humphrey building (Independence Ave, SW) has free MC parking on the sidewalk/patio and is sort of covered (there's a roof way up high). It's on the SW side of the building (KR) From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 13:52:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74Hqj828203 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-172.patriot.net [209.249.180.172]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e74HqQZ06719; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:52:26 -0400 Message-ID: <398B0106.6C3B6551@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:44:38 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Road trip to Atlantic City References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, you could stop off at the Harley Diner/showroom/museum on this sdie of the DE bridge. Bill eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > By chance I will probably be riding a late model Harley Davidson to Atlantic > City and back this weekend (don't ask why). Anybody have any favorite > roads, restaurants, etc. along the way? I'd be glad to hear 'em as soon as > possible (i.e. before 5pm tonight) so I can plan the short-notice trip. > > Looking forward to responses! > > Bests, > > Erik From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 13:56:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74HuA828218 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA21752 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25458 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11527 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:55:54 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000804135253.00c9d690@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:55:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Pedestrian Rage / Moto stats Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36896-2000Aug4.html Very interesting. I also found a stat posted on the VFR list interesting. http://www.bellonaracing.com/forms/mcquide.htm "The latest available statistics show that around 2,500 motorcyclists die every year in accidents nationwide. Taken broadly, that's not a lot of people. Far more die in cars, of cancer, or of other causes. For that reason, this number is not statistically significant enough to allow the commitment of resources adequate to reduce it. But if you're a motorcyclist, this number is very significant. According to current statistics, a motorcyclist is 14 times more likely to be killed in an accident than a motorist. And though motorcyclists represent only a small percentage of registered vehicles (around 2 percent), they represent over 5 percent of traffic fatalities. Further, most motorcyclists are killed when they impact a stationary object, such as a light pole, boulder, building, or bridge abutment. In other words, most of these accidents are NOT a result of a left-turning automobile or of another vehicle crossing the centerline or making contact with the motorcycle. Thus, these statistics seem to clearly demonstrate that it is rider error which leads to most accidents." ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 14:11:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74IBl828573 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-172.patriot.net [209.249.180.172]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e74IBfZ09504; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:11:42 -0400 Message-ID: <398B0589.79EF15F4@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:03:54 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Weaver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: slip-ons References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does a VTR have OHCs? One reason it could crank the Rs. H-Ds redline at 5500. Nah, just having fun. When I bought the previously owned garage queen harley - 5 years and 4K miles - it had blaster pipes. In the interest of saving nearby house windows I swapped them for baffled pipes, and after one trio I packed the damn pipes with glass in the interest of saving my eardrums. The hard core H-D guys won't let hang with them anymore :-) I did have a UJM with a bit of baffle coring - not to loud, and I had a POS Honda idestructable twin with straight pipes. My women liked that. She could hear me fire it up two miles away and had plenty of time to get her boyfriend outta the house. Bill Christopher Weaver wrote: > Bill, > > A VTR is a twin, not a screaming four-banger like Ninjas, CBRs etc. It > sounds a bit like a muted Harley (slightly different pitch) revving a little > faster. I agree that some of those bikes have irritatingly loud pipes. > > You sound a little defensive for someone with quiet pipes. ;^) > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 6:59 AM > To: Christopher Weaver > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: slip-ons > > I have heard loud - the only real differance is the pitch. Decibals are > about > the same on a breathed jap-o-scoot, but the pitch is higher. Anything above > 80db is against the wishes of the DOT. The ticket would read the same > regardless of the marque. > > Bill > stealth pipe harley rider From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 14:20:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74IKt828838 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21827 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA26092 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA23502; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000804142102.00a07710@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:22:04 -0400 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Pedestrian Rage / Moto stats In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000804135253.00c9d690@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From the article, this is my favorite type of pedestrian: "dawdle in intersections with cell phones attached to heads and engage in other actions to illegally impede traffic." - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 14:33:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74IXS829024 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-48.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.176]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA30475; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <398B37ED.188C7B54@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:38:53 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vtrman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: slip-ons References: <000a01bffe04$45d6e9e0$58a7d03f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt, I'm not a VTR owner/expert and would certainly defer to the likes of Todd Peer, Chris Weaver, and other who actually own VTRs for their first-hand experiences/opinions. Nonetheless, here's my 2 cents! %^) I like my Yosh RS-3 oval can (full exhaust) on my '93 GSXR-750. Definitely a power increase (with proper jetting) and, for me, just the right sound. Loud, but not obnoxiously so. I'm pretty sure Yosh makes an RS-3 slip-on for the VTR (probably a high mount too, if that's what you want) in an oval carbon can. I've not heard, but love the looks of the Staintune slip-ons, which I think are high mount and retain the passenger pegs. But they're aluminum and don't know if they're oval. I will second Chris' motion and say that I've had very good experience dealing with Kevin at Kiernen Racing Supplies (where I got my Yosh RS-3 full exhaust). I price-shopped all the catalogs and a lot of the online places and Kevin beat their prices (without me giving him a number to shoot for). Cheers, Chuck Big Matty wrote : > > Been wanting to get a set of slip-ons for my VTR1000. Oval carbon-fibre > preferably, high-quality, performance enhancing, etc., as well as LOUD. I > mean I want to piss off every neighbor I have. (not really, but you get the > point.) From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 15:25:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74JPs829891 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:25:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200008041525.AA154075524@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "Custer, Carl" CC: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: request: parking in dc X-Mailer: Thanks for the update! Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Custer, Carl" Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:49:30 -0400 >Updated (by me) as of July >Corrections appreciated: >Parking Tips: From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 15:27:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f20.hotmail.com [209.185.131.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74JRD829965 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:27:05 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pc800@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:27:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2000 19:27:05.0197 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8EC59D0:01BFFE49] Any DC area bikers that want to ride tomorrow am out Rt 55 towards Front Royal and beyond, plan on meeting at Rt 55 and 15 cross road near Haymarket... at big gas station (Sheetz?) at 9:00. Anyone interested pls e-mail me so I get an idea of how many we got... We'll go out past Front Royal and back 211 on a route my wife and I have taken a few times. Thanks Doug Allis DHAllis@XXXXXX ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 16:00:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74K0O800740 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA22321 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA28686 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11881 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:00:20 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000804155944.00ca0c00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:00:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Another cool story Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://cbsnews.cbs.com/now/story/0,1597,220959-412,00.shtml Cell Phones Ring Up Rage 10 Million Cell Phone Users In U.S., Survey Says Cell-Phone Free Zones Springing Up All Over Doctors Documenting Cases of Cell-Phone Rage ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org It is well documented that for every mile that you jog....you add one minute to your life. This enables you at 85 years old to spend an additional 5 months in a nursing home at $5000 per month. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 16:09:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74K9J800828 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-215-70.s324.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.215.70] helo=palladio) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13KnmP-0002I0-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:09:17 -0400 Message-ID: <004001bffe4f$6eabfd60$d3d43ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Fw: request: parking in dc Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:01:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > I don't see it on your list, but there are mc spots in the 200 block of > Independence Ave. SE in front of the Adams Building. Handy for LOC, Hill > types and Capitol visitors. > > Paul A. Wilson > Washington DC > 1991 CB750 > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Custer, Carl > To: ; 'DCCy' > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 1:49 PM > Subject: request: parking in dc > > > > Updated (by me) as of July > > Corrections appreciated: > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 17:06:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f219.hotmail.com [209.185.130.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74L6W802180 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:06:21 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fw: request: parking in dc Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 21:06:21 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2000 21:06:21.0478 (UTC) FILETIME=[D724B460:01BFFE57] There are also about 10 spaces on the House side of the Capitol building right behind the guard building. Its a nice and secure spot for sure....I've left mine there for hours. If asked, tell the guard you've got an appointment or delivery. >From: "Paul A. Wilson" >To: "dc cycles" >Subject: Fw: request: parking in dc >Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:01:58 -0400 > > > > I don't see it on your list, but there are mc spots in the 200 block of > > Independence Ave. SE in front of the Adams Building. Handy for LOC, >Hill > > types and Capitol visitors. > > > > Paul A. Wilson > > Washington DC > > 1991 CB750 > > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Custer, Carl > > To: ; 'DCCy' > > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 1:49 PM > > Subject: request: parking in dc > > > > > > > Updated (by me) as of July > > > Corrections appreciated: > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 17:35:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f52.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74LZI802644 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:35:03 -0700 Received: from 4.17.82.47 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.17.82.47] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: slip-ons Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 21:35:03 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2000 21:35:03.0537 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9920E10:01BFFE5B] I have Micron Carbons on my TL1000s. I have had them on about 2 years. they are loud, light ,and excellent quality. The ends are bolts not rivets (repackable). Be careful with carbon on twins , the volume of exhaust is very high it will blow some carbon cans apart. When I was in England as well as at the races on the Isle of Man, Micron was the most popular. Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 18:45:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74Mj5803731 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-38.s38.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.38] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13KqD8-00001V-00; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 18:45:03 -0400 Message-ID: <037801bffe65$31eb00e0$266daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "Lin_Tan" Cc: References: <00ee01bffe31$2f0ff210$3ea546a2@amsinc.com> Subject: Re: Who's racing this weekend? Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:41:55 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Randy Moran, Bryan Roach, Sean Jordan, myself... and I am sure others that you might know. Come on out. We are pitted at the end of the first row just as you come in. Welcome one and all! Danny '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Lin_Tan To: Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 10:53 AM Subject: Who's racing this weekend? > Any of the stalwart DC-Cycles racers racing this weekend? I might be going > up on Sunday and would like to have someone to cheer on. > > LindaT. > Springfield, VA, USA > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting) > 00 KLR250 Tenzing > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 4 18:55:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e74MtH803833 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gsx1100gp@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.92.84bbbfd (3879) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:55:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Gsx1100gp@XXXXXX Message-ID: <92.84bbbfd.26bca3c7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:55:03 EDT Subject: Fwd: LDRider: BBG in progress - VA to TX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_92.84bbbfd.26bca3c7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 --part1_92.84bbbfd.26bca3c7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From the LDRider list - Dale's at it again Wish him luck Michael J. (for those who do not know what a BBG is - it's a Bun Burner Gold - 1,500 miles in 24 hours or less) --part1_92.84bbbfd.26bca3c7_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (rly-yd04.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.4]) by air-yd01.mail.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:43:30 -0400 Received: from yucca.anv.net (yucca.anv.net [207.168.92.4]) by rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:43:16 -0400 Received: by yucca.anv.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07119 for ldrider-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HQWSMTPGWSMT01.pbgc.gov ([206.105.222.3]) by yucca.anv.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07113 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hqwexchanexc02.corp.pbgc.gov (unverified) by HQWSMTPGWSMT01.pbgc.gov (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:07:51 -0400 Received: by hqwexchanexc02.corp.pbgc.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:08:03 -0400 Message-Id: <8B68F7F25AA9D1118D9B0008C7A48FE5027A2883@hqwexchanexc02.corp.pbgc.gov> From: Begeman Leon To: "'LDRider'" Subject: LDRider: BBG in progress - VA to TX Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:07:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ldrider@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Begeman Leon I signed the initial witness sheet for Dale Horstman and Rick Miller. They left from Woodbridge, VA at 5AM EDT enroute to Ft.Worth TX. Rick ought to be easy to identify, he's riding an '01 Blue Connie and his pillion is a purple furry dinosaur wearing a purple bicycle helmet. They were headed south on I-95 to I-20 and then turn West. Their biggest concern was getting through Atlanta before the traffic got too bad. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 1st place, Unique class '97 MN1K ZX6 - DNF (mechanical) '00 MN2K --part1_92.84bbbfd.26bca3c7_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 5 12:07:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe4.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e75G7f822850 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.28.208.69] ([24.28.208.69]) by mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:07:18 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 12:14:05 -0400 Subject: Blown fuse From: David Cross To: VFR List , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301bffef1$c4251040$4c18ee3f@b5m4q6> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I week ago I noticed that the instrument lights on my '94 VFR were out. I checked the fuse box and the fuse was blown. I replaced it with the spare and the lights came back on. A couple days later the lights were out again. The only thing different about the electrical system is that about 2 months ago I replaced the headlight bulbs with higher watt bulbs. Also I couple of times the bike would not start although the battery would seem fine. It was strange because even in neutral it wouldnt even crank unless I pulled in the clutch also, then it would try and start but fail. If I waited a bit it would start again fine. Could these be related or is it something else? Any ideas? Thanks in advance. Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 5 13:39:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5203.mail.yahoo.com (web5203.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e75Hdm824215 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000805173937.4823.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.81.68] by web5203.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 05 Aug 2000 10:39:37 PDT Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:39:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Blown fuse To: David Cross , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii David- You have to be careful when going with higher wattage bulbs...if you step up the wattage too much, you run the risk of frying your wiring harness... I've also known guys to actually melt the plastic reflective material inside their headlight housing due to the excessive heat emitted from the increased intensity bulb. Have you tried switching back to your original bulb(s) to see if it makes a difference? Either way, it does sound like you've got a power drain somewhere. BTW I've increased the wattage of the headlight bulbs in my bike (yeah, it uses two bulbs, one for low beam and an additional come on for high) I've used a 55W=85W PIAA "SuperWhite"...which is a 55W that "has intensity equivalent to" 85W for low beam and I stepped up from a 55W high beam to a Hella 70W high beam bulb..works pretty well, but I've known some guys that stepped up from 55W to 100W, some have fried their wiring others haven't..it's a gamble when you get too aggressive with the bulbs. If you really need more light, you might look into adding some sort of driving lights.. -Corbett '99 K1200RS --- David Cross wrote: > I week ago I noticed that the instrument lights on > my '94 VFR were out. I > checked the fuse box and the fuse was blown. I > replaced it with the spare > and the lights came back on. A couple days later > the lights were out again. > > The only thing different about the electrical system > is that about 2 months > ago I replaced the headlight bulbs with higher watt > bulbs. Also I couple of > times the bike would not start although the battery > would seem fine. It was > strange because even in neutral it wouldnt even > crank unless I pulled in the > clutch also, then it would try and start but fail. > If I waited a bit it > would start again fine. Could these be related or > is it something else? > Any ideas? > > Thanks in advance. > > Dave Cross > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 5 14:47:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e75Ilt825236 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000805184752.JTPH2546.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a>; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:47:52 -0700 Message-ID: <006b01bfff0e$073e1f40$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: , References: <8525692E.003E44BF.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Subject: Enfield (was Re: Brand New Zoo) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:50:29 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Rich, Are you going to at the next bike night? I'm sure lots of us would like to get a look at any one of the three bikes listed in your sig (especially the Bonnie). James '00 SV650 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:20 AM Subject: RE: Brand New Zoo > > > James wrote... > >DC Cycles-ers, > > I'm happy to report that I took delivery of my first bike in > >many years today. I ordered a Suzuki SV650 form cyclecity1.com > >about a week ago and it was delivered this afternoon as promised. > >The bike was hauled out here from Erie PA. > > Too weird. Too slick for Erie (population = one third the number of people > that stand on the DC Mall during 4th of July fireworks). My wife will > never believe this. > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > '58 / '65 Triton "kit" > http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 5 15:04:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e75J43825467 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000805190400.JYPG2546.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a>; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:04:00 -0700 Message-ID: <00b301bfff10$4838b9e0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: "Todd Rittershausen" , "DC Cycles" References: <382241581.965138553842.JavaMail.root@web576-ec.mail.com> Subject: Re: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:06:38 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I spoke to a guy just yesterday who referred to Coleman (now Power Ride) as Costco for motorcycles. Pretty accurate. James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Rittershausen" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 10:02 AM Subject: And now for something completely different (was RE: An accident, a ticket) > Christopher Weaver wrote: > "This is why I hate cops: they make the claim that they're the protectors of society when in reality they're often as unethical and devious as a Coleman Powersports salesman." > > Ouch. Having recently moved to the area, I'm not familiar with the local dealerships. I'm guessing from this that Colman Powersports isn't held in high regard. Anyone else have any recommendations/warnings? Thanks. > > Todd > > Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy > `80 CX-500C > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 5 16:08:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e75K80826445 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000805200753.KSJB2546.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a>; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:07:53 -0700 Message-ID: <01f001bfff19$342a0ea0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: "Doug Allis" , , Cc: References: Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:10:29 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > Under this law a homeowners association (or > state or local government) can (and we do) regulate how and where you put up > such a dish and antenna, but such association regulations cannot make it > impossible for you to receive a good signal. We have prohibited such > antennas from being put on the front facade of all houses in our > association. So far nobody has successfully claimed that the only place they > could get a signal was if they put the thing on the front of the house > (although several have tried!). But it also depends on the specific > association's covenents -- some simply are so out of date or poorly written > that its not clear exactly what they can regulate about home exterior > fixtures, so the courts rule against the association and allows the > homeowner to do whatever he wants. Bottom line here is that all this keeps > the lawyers very busy! Exactly why I refuse to live any place with a homeowners association. I prefer a neighborhood. From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 5 16:33:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e75KXE826817 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-50.patriot.net [209.249.181.50]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e75KX5W30540; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:33:06 -0400 Message-ID: <398C7829.2FEF22C7@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 16:25:13 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Reazor CC: Doug Allis , BryanRoach@XXXXXX, bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Speedvision Programming Pre-emption by Cable Provider References: <01f001bfff19$342a0ea0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Reazor wrote: > Exactly why I refuse to live any place with a homeowners association. I > prefer a neighborhood. My `hood is perfect. Lil' redneck city just inside the beltway. At one point I had eight motor vehicles, three bikes, two boats, and a race trailer with four outboard race boats. No probs. Sat dish? Sheeeiit, man, we had dudes in here with frigging CB antennas bigger than their house. We have houses with friggin heavy equipment parked in the back yard! Now I'm down to three motor vehicles, three bikes, one boat. Well, not counting the lengendary "Microwave" outboard hydro which is parked in the carport. Hasn't been on the race course in ten years but the name "Microwave" still ends shivers of fear down the slines of the 15 super stock hydro boys. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 5 21:39:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e761ds801451 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 21:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norc (dyn36.c5200-3.king-george.246.crosslink.net [206.246.73.101]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id VAA03590 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 21:39:45 -0400 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000805213926.0095d800@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:39:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Nolan N100 Helmet - Repost by request Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey all.. this looks like an awesome price on the nolan flip face helmet...Duane has been selling me ALL of my racing helmets and he's done me very well on them and other things I've bought. And apparently, he's treated other listers tht I have referred very well also. Please tell him I said howdy if you give him a call. Collin --- aloetran@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hey y'all, > > I hate to advertise on e-mail but this was a good deal I thought > y'all > might be interested in a Nolan N100 at a > great price. Our supplier of Nolan helmets is overstocked on some > sizes > and colors and we are passing the > savings along to you. They are new, still in the box, has never been > worn or tried on. The Nolan N100 is > comparable to the Shoei Duotec and Syncrotec. > > The Nolan N100 Trend helmets are available in white, sliver and > wineberry. The vent on top is black (the photo > does not show it as black). > The Nolan N100 Classic (vent is the color of the helmet) is available > in > red. > There are only a couple of black helmets available in XXL. > > Both N100 styles has these features: > > M-' Innovative, patented front-lifting system designed for touring and > dedicated street riders > M-' Molded Lexan shell > M-' Stylish, compact wind-tunnel tested design > M-' "High-Brite" painting system offers long-term good looks and > durability > M-' Features JSW (Jet Stream Wing), Nolan's patented air conditioning > system > M-' "Microlock" retention system > M-' Interior is "sanitized" with anti-microbial treatment > M-' Removable wind protector/breath deflector > M-' GE Lexan face shield > M-' DOT certified system > > These helmets retail at $199.99 - Sale price, while supplies last, > $128.00 plus shipping to you. > > If you have any questions or need help with sizing, please e-mail me. > > Yvonne > Dixie Cycle > 318-368-3172 > > Please tell your riding partners! > > There is a limited supply, ater these - there will be no more! M-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8 J. Andrew Culpepper King George, VA (540) 775-3984 '90 EX500 S-TRA# 100 MGNOC# 15488 From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 5 23:10:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f79.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.241.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e763As802779 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 20:10:43 -0700 Received: from 165.247.85.112 by lw6fd.law6.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 06 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.247.85.112] From: "John Kozyn" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: Blown fuse Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 23:10:43 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2000 03:10:43.0409 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8486410:01BFFF53] From: David Cross I week ago I noticed that the instrument lights on my '94 VFR were out. I checked the fuse box and the fuse was blown. I replaced it with the spare and the lights came back on. A couple days later the lights were out again. The only thing different about the electrical system is that about 2 months ago I replaced the headlight bulbs with higher watt bulbs. Also I couple of times the bike would not start although the battery would seem fine. It was strange because even in neutral it wouldnt even crank unless I pulled in the clutch also, then it would try and start but fail. If I waited a bit it would start again fine. Could these be related or is it something else? Any ideas? Dave, It seems to me that on the VFR list (I'm not subscribed at the moment) people with electric gremlins may well have a reg/rec fading on them. If it were my bike (I have a 95 VFR) that would certainly be my supposition. Electrolex makes a good one for about $135, better than OEM according to list wisdom. I run high wattage H4's and H1157's in the tail - no problemo, no melting plastic - unlike my '85 Interceptor, which couldn't handle it. If you had problems starting and the battery is good, 10-to-1 it's your r/r. Go to the Texas VFR Garage site and check out what others have to say. Good luck and let us know what happens. John Kozyn '95 VFR ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 6 05:56:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web904.mail.yahoo.com (web904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e769ur810074 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 05:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2189 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2000 09:56:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20000806095647.2188.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.211.14] by web904.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 06 Aug 2000 02:56:47 PDT Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 02:56:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Dale is on his way home. To: DCCycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dale Horstman and Rick Miller arrived safely in Weatherford, Texas. I received this from Jack Tollett on the LDR list. Jack was the witness for their arrival. Quoted message: the boys done good. got in with a whole ten minutes to spare. :) I didn't total their mileage but they both said they were over 1500 not counting the miles they went in circles getting the IBET points for Vicksburg. Had breakfast with them and watch them do the typical transition from hyper to falling asleep in their food. :) Greg Robinson led them to the motel. They got Barney delivered and are on their way home. Better men than I. jt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 6 07:55:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e76BtS811793 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.28.8fa4b3c (4568) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:55:14 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <28.8fa4b3c.26beac21@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:55:13 EDT Subject: Re: Dale is on his way home. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Thanks for the update, Leon - I didn't see anything on the LDRider list about their arrival. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 6 13:03:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e76H2l816567 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 13:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-63.208.167.245.Washington2.Level3.net [63.208.167.245]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA20251; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 10:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Chuck Pena" Cc: Subject: RE: slip-ons Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:55:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfffc7$18b5b6c0$f5a7d03f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <398B37ED.188C7B54@ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Well, I'm sitting here getting caught up on emails/bills/etc. instead of riding b/c of all this F*CKING RAIN!!! Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for their thoughts on my slip-on situation. Here's a couple of additional notes: First I'm choosing CF cans because of the weight saving over aluminum, as well as they don't get hot. Oh, and I like how they look, which is also why I like oval. I would like to get the kind with bolts so that if they do start to come apart, they can be rebuilt. I would like to get high-mount but only if I can keep the passenger footpegs. Also it would be nice to get a set of slip-ons that you can also order a jet-kit with that's already adjusted specifically to work with that system & bike. Micron has that, but I didn't like how the guy bad-mouthed every other brand. That's not the way to sell me. I'm not going to do a "bafflectomy" because A. I'd still have hot, heavy aluminum cans and B. I want to maintain resale value by keeping the stock cans in original condition. Anyway, thanks again because I feel like I'm WAY ahead of where I was in my search and will probably have my order in this week if all goes well. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 5:39 PM To: vtrman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: slip-ons Matt, I'm not a VTR owner/expert and would certainly defer to the likes of Todd Peer, Chris Weaver, and other who actually own VTRs for their first-hand experiences/opinions. Nonetheless, here's my 2 cents! %^) I like my Yosh RS-3 oval can (full exhaust) on my '93 GSXR-750. Definitely a power increase (with proper jetting) and, for me, just the right sound. Loud, but not obnoxiously so. I'm pretty sure Yosh makes an RS-3 slip-on for the VTR (probably a high mount too, if that's what you want) in an oval carbon can. I've not heard, but love the looks of the Staintune slip-ons, which I think are high mount and retain the passenger pegs. But they're aluminum and don't know if they're oval. I will second Chris' motion and say that I've had very good experience dealing with Kevin at Kiernen Racing Supplies (where I got my Yosh RS-3 full exhaust). I price-shopped all the catalogs and a lot of the online places and Kevin beat their prices (without me giving him a number to shoot for). Cheers, Chuck Big Matty wrote : > > Been wanting to get a set of slip-ons for my VTR1000. Oval carbon-fibre > preferably, high-quality, performance enhancing, etc., as well as LOUD. I > mean I want to piss off every neighbor I have. (not really, but you get the > point.) From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 6 17:07:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com (web5201.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e76L7m820357 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000806210741.13703.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.87.49] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 06 Aug 2000 14:07:41 PDT Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 14:07:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Summit Point Waterway To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii First, I want to thank all of those that came along for the glorious ride out to Summit Point today...I think I can remember everyone's names: There was.... Um.. Well, there was.. uh... Okay, nobody except myself was dumb enough to take their scooter to Summit Point today. BUT I just had to go, I really didn't have a chance to ride much this week and I'd already scheduled my Sunday off from work JUST TO RIDE...and HEY - It was WATER WING day at Summit so it clinched the deal. Things I learned: Do you know difference between water-resistant and waterproof? About a hundred bucks. Do you know the difference between jeans and a leather jacket and a waterproof rainsuit? Uh..at least with the jeans and jacket you KNOW that you're gonna get wet.. With the rainsuit...it's going to be more of a S-U-R-P-R-I-S-E. Being warm is no substitute for being dry. In a thunderstorm, ladies in $50,000 Range Rovers who drive at 48 mph with their hazard lights on really have no business on the interstate. Makes me wonder what kind of vehicle they drove before...and how they reacted in thunderstorms previously... (I suppose men might be guilty of the same thing...but I didn't pass any of them in my 100 miles of travel today.) Skechers (boots) look pretty cool when there's not water squishing out of the toes. RAIN-X - good stuff to keep the water running off you're face shield...not very good for keeping the fog out of the inside of your helmet though. (I understand they have a RAIN-X "No Fog" formula, but I haven't tried it yet. (Of course, 70 mph was the proper speed to have the water "wisk" away as quickly as it fell...) Finally, the only familiar face that I ran into up at Summit during my brief back stroke through the paddock area, Sean Jordan, reminded of the philosophical ramblings of one local BMW rider and former Riders Accessory Warehouse owner, Art Crow: I've been warm and dry, and I've been cold and wet... Dry is better. -Corbett '99 Kayak1200RS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 6 18:22:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e76MM8821466 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-13.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.141]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23141; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <398E1005.4167C827@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 18:25:25 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Corbett B CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Summit Point Waterway References: <20000806210741.13703.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Corbett B wrote : > > RAIN-X - good stuff to keep the water running off > you're face shield...not very good for keeping the fog > out of the inside of your helmet though. (I understand > they have a RAIN-X "No Fog" formula, but I haven't > tried it yet. (Of course, 70 mph was the proper speed > to have the water "wisk" away as quickly as it > fell...) Dude, I was wondering if you were gonna go to Summit today! %^) BTW, for keeping the fog out of the inside of your helmet the best product I've found is a Fog City shield (attaches to the inside of your existing shield). It is one of the few (only?) no/anti-fog products I know of that actually works! Hope it doesn't rain on Bike Night! Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 6 18:24:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e76MOs821476 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-13.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.141]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09772; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <398E10AD.426A69D2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 18:28:13 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vtrman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: slip-ons References: <000001bfffc7$18b5b6c0$f5a7d03f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt, One other source you might want to check: Erion Racing. I know they are Honda-only. Just don't know if they have VTR stuff. I do know that people rave about their cans and proprietary jet kits (specifically for their exhaust systems) for the CBR600/900. Chuck Big Matty wrote : > > be rebuilt. I would like to get high-mount but only if I can keep the > passenger footpegs. Also it would be nice to get a set of slip-ons that you > can also order a jet-kit with that's already adjusted specifically to work > with that system & bike. Micron has that, but I didn't like how the guy -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 6 21:18:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e771Ik824068 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-108.patriot.net [209.249.180.108]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e771IdW26651; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:18:39 -0400 Message-ID: <398E0C98.727EDC29@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 21:10:48 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Charles V. Pena" CC: Corbett B , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Summit Point Waterway References: <20000806210741.13703.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> <398E1005.4167C827@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charles V. Pena wrote: > I was wondering if you were gonna go to Summit today! %^) BTW, for > keeping the fog out of the inside of your helmet the best product I've > found is a Fog City shield (attaches to the inside of your existing > shield). It is one of the few (only?) no/anti-fog products I know of > that actually works! > > Hope it doesn't rain on Bike Night! > > Chuck Back when I wore a full-face, I'd stick a small tab of foam tape on the visor to keep it open a scoosch. Kept it from fogging. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 6 22:15:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (c008-h013.c008.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.202]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e772Fk824945 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 9262 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2000 19:15:38 -0700 Received: from ip80.laurel5.md.pub-ip.psi.net (HELO surfree.com) (38.30.239.80) by smtp.surfree.com (209.228.14.202) with SMTP; 6 Aug 2000 19:15:38 -0700 X-Sent: 7 Aug 2000 02:15:38 GMT Message-ID: <398E1C0C.8EF4ACE6@surfree.com> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:16:44 -0400 From: Do Yin Reply-To: doyin@XXXXXX Organization: HOME X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Leather jacket alterations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone recommend a tailer that specializes in altering leather jackets? I need to have the sleeves shortened on my Vanson. As it is right now it crunches up between the elbow and the shoulder because of my short short arms. From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 6 22:26:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e772Qn825043 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JD6201md@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 9.e1.81d3a35 (4183); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:26:06 -0400 (EDT) From: JD6201md@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:26:06 EDT Subject: Invitation to Ride To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Looking for some new terrain to explore? Hope you'll join us for a day of new roads. 2000 Mountain Mambo Run If the link doesn't work, check out http://members.aol.com/AntietamMC/roadrun.html -- Jeff From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 6 22:51:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e772pe825495 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-33.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.97]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA06228; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <398E4F34.238D549B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:55:00 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doyin@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leather jacket alterations References: <398E1C0C.8EF4ACE6@surfree.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bedo's Leatherworks. 412 W. Broad St., Falls Church, VA. (703) 534-3233. They specialize in leather and specifically, motorcycle gear. I had them shorten the sleeves 1" on my AGV Rage jacket. Do Yin wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a tailer that specializes in altering leather > jackets? I need to have the sleeves shortened on my Vanson. As it is > right now it crunches up between the elbow and the shoulder because of > my short short arms. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 01:50:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e775oA828139 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA00090 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA20564 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf (surf15-114.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.114]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id BAA07372; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:49:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "GSXR" , "Tl1000" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Suzuki-Bikes" , "SV650" , "Hayabusa" , "fj1100" , "R1 Email List" Subject: Summit Point 8-6-00 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:49:38 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal For your viewing pleasure. I have some of the photos in a higher resolution if you want one. Just email me with the photo number. Album #1 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=7556559 Album #2 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=7556578 Album #3 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=7556588 Gary Foreman From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 02:01:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7761S828426 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 02:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.3b.840ee42 (4319) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 02:01:14 -0400 (EDT) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3b.840ee42.26bfaaaa@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 02:01:14 EDT Subject: Re: slip-ons To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 In a message dated 8/4/00 5:37:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dankenney@XXXXXX writes: << Be careful with carbon on twins , the volume of exhaust is very high it will blow some carbon cans apart. >> Its also more likely to have burn throughs with a twin. I burned straight thru my Yosh carbon cans. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 07:23:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77BNC804274 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA00870 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA26394 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-66.cybercable.com [204.188.47.66]) by idalee.loudoun.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e77BLnt06406; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <398E9C0A.EFF5AD1E@loudoun.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 07:22:52 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Reply-To: jmoran@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Foreman CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Summit Point 8-6-00 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gary, Those are some great pictures. Thanks alot for taking the time to share them. Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com Gary Foreman wrote: > For your viewing pleasure. I have some of the photos in a higher resolution > if you want one. Just email me with the photo number. > > Album #1 > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=7556559 > > Album #2 > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=7556578 > > Album #3 > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=7556588 > > Gary Foreman From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 07:41:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77Bfn804540 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24592; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:30:46 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.92) with SMTP id HAA27656; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:41:46 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256934.00403D04 ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:41:39 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: "James Reazor" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256934.00403ABF.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:41:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Enfield (was Re: Brand New Zoo) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline James wrote... >Rich, > Are you going to at the next bike night? I'm sure lots of us would like >to get a look at any one of the three bikes listed in your sig (especially >the Bonnie). Not sure yet if I'm going to Bike Night on Tuesday. Depends on so many things. Quite a few DCCers have seen the Bonnie, and a subset of those have seen the Enfield recently at the first Bike Night. Those folks might be happy to know that I have replaced the muffler. The baffles were loose and banging around in there like a coffe can full of rocks. The Triton has not been seen by anyone. It is still in the early constuction stages. If you're really interested (or just really bored) you can see some pics at this site: http://www.erie.net/~mrpink/page1.html These pics were taken at the end of March on the day I brought it home. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '58 / '65 Triton "kit" http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 08:36:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77Ca5805465 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-45-166.s166.tnt5.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.45.166]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Lm8Q-0004E1-00; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 08:36:03 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: MJordan666@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dale is on his way home. Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:41:28 GMT Message-ID: <398ed89a.216700761@smtp.erols.com> References: <28.8fa4b3c.26beac21@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <28.8fa4b3c.26beac21@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e77CaK805466 On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:55:13 EDT, you wrote: |>Thanks for the update, Leon - I didn't see anything on the LDRider list about |>their arrival. Don't you mean thanks for the warning? Daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 10:07:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77E7C807431 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-32 #43876) with ESMTP id <0FYX000A7DV4HW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <36R3KB9V>; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:07:04 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:04:59 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: Rider down? To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC6800F9A7B@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anyone know if there was a wreck on 66 out at the plains last night? (eastbound) I passed a bad accident (looked to be single vehicle) about 11pm but it was so bad I was unable to determine what type of vehicle it was. The main "hunk" of debris looked exactly like on of those wagons that Goldwing's pull behind them... It was right after the surface of the road had changed from smooth to milled and I speculated that possibly a MC towing a wagon got speed wobble from the grooves and the rider lost it. (I'm assuming that the wagon was lightly loaded and started thrashing back and forth...) -Calvin '00VFR800FI From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 10:41:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77Efk807896 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:41:14 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062FD3@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'DCMotoCrew'" Subject: Bike Night: Two Wheel Tuesday Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:31:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Please join us all for Bike Night at Grevey's tomorrow night. The weather report right now is for no rain. $2 Sierra Nevadas, great food and lotsa bikes! See you there Mark Kitchell Chuck Pena http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 13:22:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77HMZ810850 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13LqbW-0002bP-00; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:22:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:19 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "bhuson@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: HOAs Message-ID: <20000807131818175-1b240807@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From: Bill Huson > >My `hood is perfect. Lil' redneck city just inside the beltway. >Sheeeiit, man, we had dudes in here >with frigging CB antennas bigger than their house. We have houses with >friggin >heavy equipment parked in the back yard! Now we know why you keep the HD despite spending more time in the shop than on the road. HOA rules - no foreign bikes lest they be accidentally vandalized. R From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 13:38:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e77Hct811177 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26628 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2000 17:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2000 17:39:02 -0000 Message-ID: <398EF3F7.B98EA0C5@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:37:59 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bernescut@XXXXXX CC: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" , "Custer, Carl" Subject: Re: request: parking in dc References: <000201bffe15$e3178140$770810ac@cedric> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for reposting (and updating!) the parking info, folks! Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 13:42:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77Hg3811256 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13LquS-000402-00; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:41:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:38 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "vtrman@XXXXXX" , "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Erion Message-ID: <20000807133752384-1b35f2c7@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii They definitely make VTR exhaust. Erion sponsors Pridmore's CLASS and so they were on every CLASS bike while I was there including the VTR. I like the sound but it was however not all that loud, which I think you said you were looking for. I don't know if they make different versions or not so it could be that one. As a definitive measure CLASS rides at Laguna Seca and their materials state there is a _strict_ 92 db noise limit there so all of the CLASS bikes would have to meet it. R >From: "Charles V. Pena" >Subject: Re: slip-ons > >Matt, > >One other source you might want to check: Erion Racing. I know they are >Honda-only. Just don't know if they have VTR stuff. I do know that >people rave about their cans and proprietary jet kits (specifically for >their exhaust systems) for the CBR600/900. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 13:44:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e77HiA811327 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28845 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2000 17:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2000 17:44:20 -0000 Message-ID: <398EF53A.898CA9B3@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:43:22 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ledford, Calvin" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Rider down? References: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC6800F9A7B@resie03.ie.cw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Ledford, Calvin" wrote: > > It was right after the surface of the road had changed from smooth to milled > and I speculated that possibly a MC towing a wagon got speed wobble from the > grooves and the rider lost it. I came back I-66E last night after midnight. Those uneven lanes were real scary - no warning signs, couldn't really see them - I changed lanes and almost had the handlebars twitch out of my hands... Surprised I didn't bend a rim on the sharp bump at the end. Worst part of the whole damn Texas trip. Be careful out there. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 14:17:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.lmi.org (home.lmi.org [198.3.128.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77IHI812130 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.lmi.org ([10.0.0.2]) by home.lmi.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:17:01 -0400 Received: from ccMail by mail.lmi.org (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5) id AA965672230; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:17:11 -0400 Message-Id: <0008079656.AA965672230@mail.lmi.org> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:15:00 -0400 From: "Brian Roberson" To: Subject: RE: HOAs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Speaking of HOA's.. I believe I read in my HOA manual that our neighborhood does not allow Motorcycles of any nature to be parked outside the house.. Pretty funny.. When I get the chance I leave it parked on the sidewalk - just for spite. Brian -----Original Message----- From: "Rob Bell" at INTERNET Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 1:00 PM To: "bhuson@XXXXXX" at INTERNET Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" at INTERNET Subject: HOAs >From: Bill Huson > >My `hood is perfect. Lil' redneck city just inside the beltway. >Sheeeiit, man, we had dudes in here >with frigging CB antennas bigger than their house. We have houses with >friggin >heavy equipment parked in the back yard! Now we know why you keep the HD despite spending more time in the shop than on the road. HOA rules - no foreign bikes lest they be accidentally vandalized. R From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 14:27:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e77IRf812296 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2318 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2000 18:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2000 18:28:12 -0000 Message-ID: <398EFF70.E06EF126@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:26:56 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Concours Owners Group CC: jadfree@XXXXXX Subject: '91 Gold Wing for Sale References: <000901bffeef$cadd41c0$7745263f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jadfree wrote: > > I saw a G.W. Interstate For Sale on this list in the last week or so, > and it was in Colarado I think . My brother is trying to sell his Goldwing. I've got a jpeg pic of it I can send to anyone who requests it. The bike is located in Manassas, VA. Horkster -- > -----Original Message----- > From: Horstman, Richard E [mailto:richard.e.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 10:47 AM > To: Dale(work) (E-mail) > Subject: '91 Interstate for sale > > > Solid Interstate 53K miles. Beige, AM/FM w/4 speakers, J&M > Cb/intercom audio > pack, heel/toe shift, > driver/passenger highway boards, passenger armrests, trunk luggage rack w/ > bag, hitch and ball, wind wings. > > It is the Interstate, which means it is void of all the goodies the > Aspencade > and SE have. No reverse, cruise or compressor. The bike is in excellent > mechanical condition. It will need a new front tire soon and the > windshield > is > old and could use replacement also. Appearance-wise, it's not a > show bike. > The paint job is intact, but 9 years old and the pin-striping is faded. I > ride the > bike not show it. > > Any further questions, contact Rich at Monguire@XXXXXX > . > > $4800 Firm > > > <> From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 16:47:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77KlB815638 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.df.830596b (9491); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:46:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:46:57 EDT Subject: Re: HOAs To: broberso@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 If you are having trouble with Home Owners Associations, here's a tip to remember. Home Owner Associations do not have jurisdiction over the city and county streets and the right of way extending back into your front side walk (about 10 feet.) Vehicles may be parked there with impunity from the HOA if they are legally registered and the street is under city or county jurisdiction. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 17:38:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e77Lc6816465 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15548 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2000 21:38:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000807213803.15547.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.205.24] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:38:03 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:38:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Fairing replacements To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I had a rather unfortunate incident on Sunday, coming back from Harpers Ferry - I was planning to go to the WERA races, but turned around once it began to thunder. Anyway, I was almost home when the tail of my CBR F1 came loose around a bend - I think the tire must have slid on something as I wasn't going very fast. Trying to straighten up, I saw I was headed right for the median. Instead of crashing head on into the curb, I let the bike go and it slid straight up the road (Tuckerman Ln in N. Bethesda). The fall tore through my rain slicker, but didn't even scratch my leather jacket underneath. I was luckily unhurt. The left side fairings are badly scraped, and the left upper fairing cracked in two. I was wondering with scraped fairings, is it possible to have them sanded and painted at a body shop? Is this cheaper than a replacement? If the fairing is cracked through, is there a "plastic filler" that can be used to repair them? Also if they have to be replaced, where would be a good place to do this? Any help would be greatly appreciated, Adam Reinhardt '89 CBR 600 F __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 17:56:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f3.hotmail.com [209.185.131.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77LuN816749 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:56:16 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: HOAs Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:56:15 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2000 21:56:16.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F451B60:01C000BA] I wonder what would happen to this if you took it to court. I believe that the AMA would assist you in getting this HOA rule tossed out. I also wonder how the recently passed Virginia law permiting local government restriction of "recreational vehicles" will deal with motorcycles. Up to now local Virginia governments could not restrict the parking of legally registered boats, trailers and mobile homes on public streets. I wonder if motorcycles will be considered recreational vehicles? UGH >From: "Brian Roberson" >To: >Subject: RE: HOAs >Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:15:00 -0400 > >Speaking of HOA's.. I believe I read in my HOA manual that our neighborhood >does >not allow Motorcycles of any nature to be parked outside the house.. Pretty >funny.. When I get the chance I leave it parked on the sidewalk - just for >spite. > >Brian > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Rob Bell" at INTERNET >Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 1:00 PM >To: "bhuson@XXXXXX" at INTERNET >Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" at INTERNET >Subject: HOAs > > > >From: Bill Huson > > > >My `hood is perfect. Lil' redneck city just inside the beltway. > >Sheeeiit, >man, we had dudes in here > >with frigging CB antennas bigger than their house. We have houses with > >friggin > >heavy equipment parked in the back yard! > >Now we know why you keep the HD despite spending more time in the shop than >on >the road. HOA rules - no foreign bikes lest they be accidentally >vandalized. > > >R > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 18:42:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77Mgm817537 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:40:17 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Fairing Replacements Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:50:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 Adam, Your fairings can probably be repaired (haven't seen them so I don't know for sure). I don't know if the '89 had the plastic fairings, or the more brittle ones. My old '88 Hurricane had the more britle ones. The plastic can be plastic welded using a plastic welder (essentially a large soldering iron that melts the plastic. Other fairings can be reparied in the back with fiberglass and use epoxy to fill the cracks on the front. Just sand smooth. Bondo can be used to fill any small imperfections. If I was you, I'd check with salvage yards. You can probably pick some up fairly cheap. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 19:29:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77NTq818332 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.c3.810f747 (4072) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:29:27 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:29:27 EDT Subject: Saturday ride? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 I know it's only the beginning of the week, but I was wondering what's up for the "relaxed ride" this Saturday? A couple friends and I would like to be there, but we need to know time and place so we can make plans. Thanks! Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 19:49:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e77Nn6818682 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 17955 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2000 16:48:57 -0700 Received: from PPPa28-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.185) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2000 16:48:57 -0700 X-Sent: 7 Aug 2000 23:48:57 GMT Message-ID: <003f01c000cb$3e82e260$b97c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , References: Subject: Re: Saturday ride? Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:57:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Finalized plans will be out tomorrow. looks like we're meeting in Arlington around 9:30 with plans to leave around 10. I"ll post to the list tomorrow the final information. sorry it's taking so long, I was out of town for five days. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 7:29 PM Subject: Saturday ride? > I know it's only the beginning of the week, but I was wondering what's up for > the "relaxed ride" this Saturday? A couple friends and I would like to be > there, but we need to know time and place so we can make plans. Thanks! > > Rob VanSlyke > 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 21:52:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e781qU820639 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-126-205.s586.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.126.205] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13LyZ9-0006l8-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:52:28 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Dale and Ricks Golden run! Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:44:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c000da$21f44120$cd7eaccf@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Excellent news and thanks for the update Leon. Dang that Dale! Now I want my bbg more than ever ;-) Congratz Dale. Todd Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 02:56:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Dale is on his way home. To: DCCycles Dale Horstman and Rick Miller arrived safely in Weatherford, Texas. I received this from Jack Tollett on the LDR list. Jack was the witness for their arrival. Quoted message: the boys done good. got in with a whole ten minutes to spare. :) I didn't total their mileage but they both said they were over 1500 not counting the miles they went in circles getting the IBET points for Vicksburg. Had breakfast with them and watch them do the typical transition from hyper to falling asleep in their food. :) Greg Robinson led them to the motel. They got Barney delivered and are on their way home. Better men than I. jt ------------------ Thanks for the update, Leon - I didn't see anything on the LDRider list about their arrival. Michael J. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 22:16:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e782GG821028 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26980 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:16:07 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000807220722.00c7fc50@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:16:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Very Wet Ride Home Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Co-workers told me I should get a head start on the rain, so I left work at 4:45. What a mistake. 10 minutes into the ride home, I had to pull out the rain pants and tank bag cover. No big deal for a few miles, then ALL HELL broke loose in Herndon. I was going about 2 MPH with my feet hovering above the road as the trees on either side of the road were bending down to meet me. Cars were crawling just as slowly in front of and behind me. The wind was sliding the bike sideways! I have had it push me before, but never like that. I saw a bright flash off to my right as I ducked into a neighborhood. Turns out the bright flash took out two trees a block away from me, but the rain and wind were driving so hard that I never heard thunder. I eyed a porch to duck for cover, but the bike on a side stand wouldn't have lasted long. I was forced to sit and hold it upright, left foot in a foot of rising gutter water. 10 minutes later the hurricane was gone and lighter rain returned. That is the heaviest stuff I have ever seen live - let alone been on a bike for! _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 7 22:55:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e782tJ821580 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000808025507.MYSL2546.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:55:07 -0700 Message-ID: <02b401c000e3$dbfad940$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <0008079656.AA965672230@mail.lmi.org> Subject: Re: HOAs Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:53:40 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 So you're supposed to park them inside the house? I'm glad I didn't have to convince my wife of that. James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Roberson" To: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 2:15 PM Subject: RE: HOAs > Speaking of HOA's.. I believe I read in my HOA manual that our neighborhood does > not allow Motorcycles of any nature to be parked outside the house.. Pretty > funny.. When I get the chance I leave it parked on the sidewalk - just for > spite. > > Brian > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 00:47:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com (web5201.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e784lD823638 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000808044704.14077.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.37] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:47:04 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:47:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Fairing replacements To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't sweat it Adam! If you haven't dropped your bike before, you haven't been riding! You CAN sand the scratched fairings down and paint them.. I sanded one down sooo smooth on my old '88 Hurricane that I didn't even bother painting it...the plastic was black underneath the paint and it happened to blend in with the gray metalic paint scheme. The cracked fairing is a different story, I've seen guys try to patch it with fiberglass...plastic and fiberglass don't seem to mix too well. I haven't any experience with plastic filler. I think the Honda factory upper fairing on my old hurricane ran me around $600 (in 1993 dollars) but it came painted to match my bike and simply bolted on. I'm sure Lockhart or other aftermarket fairing manufacturers have a less expensive alternative..and lighter too...but you may be sacrificing quality. Of course, if you're a racer..there's nothing that duct tape and zip ties won't cure... -Corbett --- Adam Reinhardt wrote: > > > I had a rather unfortunate incident on Sunday, > coming back from Harpers Ferry - I was planning to > go > to the WERA races, but turned around once it began > to > thunder. Anyway, I was almost home when the tail of > my CBR F1 came loose around a bend - I think the > tire > must have slid on something as I wasn't going very > fast. Trying to straighten up, I saw I was headed > right for the median. Instead of crashing head on > into the curb, I let the bike go and it slid > straight > up the road (Tuckerman Ln in N. Bethesda). > The fall tore through my rain slicker, but didn't > even scratch my leather jacket underneath. I was > luckily unhurt. > The left side fairings are badly scraped, and the > left upper fairing cracked in two. I was wondering > with scraped fairings, is it possible to have them > sanded and painted at a body shop? Is this cheaper > than a replacement? If the fairing is cracked > through, is there a "plastic filler" that can be > used > to repair them? Also if they have to be replaced, > where would be a good place to do this? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated, > > Adam Reinhardt > > '89 CBR 600 F > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 00:56:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5204.mail.yahoo.com (web5204.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e784u4823720 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000808045557.3976.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.37] by web5204.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:55:57 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:55:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: HOA vs AMA To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Doug Allis wrote: > I wonder what would happen to this if you took it to > court. I believe that > the AMA would assist you in getting this HOA rule > tossed out. Funny you should ask...SEE BELOW -Corbett "Taking it to a Higher Court AMA appeals Canyon Lake case to state Supreme Court" by Chris Kallfelz "The gist of this action is whether the homeowners association of a large private community can completely ban the operation of motorcycles. We hold that it can." With those words, a California Court of Appeals shut down attempts by the AMA to open the community of Canyon Lake, California, to motorcyclists. For now. But the battle over this and other examples of anti-motorcycling discrimination isn't over. The AMA became involved in the Canyon Lake situation more than four years ago, when AMA members living in the private community 75 miles southeast of Los Angeles approached the Association. They noted that a ban on motorcycle use imposed by the Canyon Lake Property Owners Association (CLPOA) meant that they couldn't even ride their legally licensed motorcycles to their own homes. Instead, they were forced to leave their machines in an exposed, unprotected parking area at the edge of the community and walk home. The alternative was to accumulate hundreds of dollars in fines assessed by the community's police force. After discussions with the property owners group failed, the AMA filed suit against the community on behalf of motorcyclists living there. This was not the first time the Association has gone to court to eliminate a bike ban. The AMA previously succeeded in overturning bans in Massachusetts, Illinois and Connecticut, and these legal victories helped the Association negotiate an end to motorcycle bans elsewhere. Court victories can be expensive and time consuming, though. In the case of a public park ban in Brockton, Massachusetts, the legal battle lasted more than five years and wasn't resolved until the Massachusetts Supreme Court overturned lower court holdings and ruled against the ban. The Canyon Lake suit has now taken four years to progress through two levels of the justice system. On the other hand, the costs of not pursuing an appeal can be even greater. Letting a decision like this stand in California could hurt the momentum we've established elsewhere. The AMA's argument in this case is that the motorcycle ban violates the constitutional right of Canyon Lake residents to intrastate travel, and goes far beyond the statutory authority of the homeowners association to adopt rules. "Plaintiffs (the AMA and Canyon Lake motorcyclists) argue the motorcycle rule is overinclusive because it bans all motorcycles regardless of whether they are noisy, dangerous, or dangerously operated," the appellate court said in its tentative decision. "They claim that if the CLPOA were really motivated by concerns about noise and safety, it would adopt and enforce rules setting noise and speed limits for motorcycles." But then the court went on to decide that targeting all motorcyclists was appropriate after all, in part because a total ban is "administratively easier to enforce." Logic like that has prompted the AMA to commit the money necessary to see this case through to the California Supreme Court. "We are very cautious about how we allocate our resources," notes Robert Rasor, AMA vice president of government relations. "But this court opinion sets a very dangerous precedent. The motorcyclists we represent in Canyon Lake have met every legal standard, yet they can't even ride to their own homes. "We've fought long court battles before," concludes Rasor, "and we are committed to seeing this case through to the end." Copyright American Motorcyclist Association, 1997. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 02:27:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e786Rd825907 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 02:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000808062725.17660.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.50.80.69] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:27:25 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:27:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: dale is on his way home To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Damn.. teach me to not read the list for a week or so... I'm sittin here in western oklahoma at mom's house with two bikes just itching to get out and ride even more than I already am.. weatherford texas would have been a cinch to get over too.. or if on their way, I woulda had a stopping place for em (and conventiently, my mom's house is only 40 miles from an IBET stop... heading there wednesday myself! ) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 06:36:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78AaP829887 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 06:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-166.90.30.152.Washington1.Level3.net [166.90.30.152]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA18965; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Adam Reinhardt" , Subject: RE: Fairing replacements Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 06:28:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c00123$6f105b80$981e5aa6@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000807213803.15547.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I'm sorry this happened and I'm glad you're OK. I repaired my fairings using $20 worth of fibreglass repair items found at Home Depot. The repairs were done to the inside of the fairings so its not noticeable, however, anyone that knows anything about bikes looks at the scrapes on the outside and notices instantly "he's been down." I didn't claim the damage because to my insurance cuz they'll jack me for sure. If you do want to replace you're fairings, I've heard that this place is good: http://www.ronayersmotorsports.com/ramall/index.icl As far as plastic filling, repainting, etc. I would also be interested in the answer to that question. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Adam Reinhardt [mailto:ajreinhardt@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:38 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fairing replacements I had a rather unfortunate incident on Sunday, coming back from Harpers Ferry - I was planning to go to the WERA races, but turned around once it began to thunder. Anyway, I was almost home when the tail of my CBR F1 came loose around a bend - I think the tire must have slid on something as I wasn't going very fast. Trying to straighten up, I saw I was headed right for the median. Instead of crashing head on into the curb, I let the bike go and it slid straight up the road (Tuckerman Ln in N. Bethesda). The fall tore through my rain slicker, but didn't even scratch my leather jacket underneath. I was luckily unhurt. The left side fairings are badly scraped, and the left upper fairing cracked in two. I was wondering with scraped fairings, is it possible to have them sanded and painted at a body shop? Is this cheaper than a replacement? If the fairing is cracked through, is there a "plastic filler" that can be used to repair them? Also if they have to be replaced, where would be a good place to do this? Any help would be greatly appreciated, Adam Reinhardt '89 CBR 600 F __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 07:51:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78BpG801116 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA11734; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000808075116.009f58f0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 07:52:30 -0400 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Very Wet Ride Home In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000807220722.00c7fc50@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yikes! Sorry to hear about that. I get off work at 6PM and it was a monster out there. Waited it out about 15 minutes and barely got sprinkled on, thank Goddess! LOL Glad you made it home alright. It's murder out there. I had to avoid branches & leaves all over the road on the way home! : ( - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 10:16 PM 8/7/00 -0400, Troutman wrote: >Co-workers told me I should get a head start on the rain, so I left work at >4:45. What a mistake. 10 minutes into the ride home, I had to pull out >the rain pants and tank bag cover. No big deal for a few miles, then ALL >HELL broke loose in Herndon. I was going about 2 MPH with my feet hovering >above the road as the trees on either side of the road were bending down to >meet me. Cars were crawling just as slowly in front of and behind me. The >wind was sliding the bike sideways! I have had it push me before, but >never like that. > >I saw a bright flash off to my right as I ducked into a >neighborhood. Turns out the bright flash took out two trees a block away >from me, but the rain and wind were driving so hard that I never heard >thunder. I eyed a porch to duck for cover, but the bike on a side stand >wouldn't have lasted long. I was forced to sit and hold it upright, left >foot in a foot of rising gutter water. 10 minutes later the hurricane was >gone and lighter rain returned. That is the heaviest stuff I have ever >seen live - let alone been on a bike for! > >_____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 08:30:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f211.hotmail.com [209.185.130.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78CU5801685 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 05:29:57 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: jzell@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Very Wet Ride Home Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 12:29:56 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2000 12:29:57.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CA1F920:01C00134] At the last minute last night, I decided to stay at the office (downtown) until it was all over. Very glad I did so as hail began falling about 5 minutes after I was supposed to leave. I guess riding in a thunderstorm is not a good idea. >Yikes! Sorry to hear about that. I get off work at 6PM and it was a >monster out there. Waited it out about 15 minutes and barely got sprinkled >on, thank Goddess! LOL >Glad you made it home alright. It's murder out there. I had to avoid >branches & leaves all over the road on the way home! : ( > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > >At 10:16 PM 8/7/00 -0400, Troutman wrote: > >Co-workers told me I should get a head start on the rain, so I left work >at > >4:45. What a mistake. 10 minutes into the ride home, I had to pull out > >the rain pants and tank bag cover. No big deal for a few miles, then ALL > >HELL broke loose in Herndon. I was going about 2 MPH with my feet >hovering > >above the road as the trees on either side of the road were bending down >to > >meet me. Cars were crawling just as slowly in front of and behind me. >The > >wind was sliding the bike sideways! I have had it push me before, but > >never like that. > > > >I saw a bright flash off to my right as I ducked into a > >neighborhood. Turns out the bright flash took out two trees a block away > >from me, but the rain and wind were driving so hard that I never heard > >thunder. I eyed a porch to duck for cover, but the bike on a side stand > >wouldn't have lasted long. I was forced to sit and hold it upright, left > >foot in a foot of rising gutter water. 10 minutes later the hurricane >was > >gone and lighter rain returned. That is the heaviest stuff I have ever > >seen live - let alone been on a bike for! > > > >_____________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > mike@XXXXXX > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 09:47:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78DlY802803 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-41-3.s3.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.41.3]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13M9jA-0005vv-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:47:32 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: statute of limitations for tickets? Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:53:07 GMT Message-ID: <39913a4a.307258644@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e78Dlr802804 Anyone know if there is a statute of limitations on tickets? or if local jurisdictions tend to take very old tickets out of the system? (7 to 9 years old) or have any experience with stuff like that? Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 11:15:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e78FF1804563 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15930 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2000 15:15:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2000 15:15:15 -0000 Message-ID: <399023BA.3EA70C79@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:14:03 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: AA DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Dale and Ricks Golden run! References: <000001c000da$21f44120$cd7eaccf@todd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > Excellent news and thanks for the update Leon. Dang that Dale! Now I want > my bbg more than ever ;-) I highly recommend I-95 and I-20 right now. Good pavement, free-flowing traffic (even the trucks are doing 75-79 mph) not much LEO enforcement. IMO, you've got to really want it to do it. The first 1250 miles were pretty easy. The last 250 sucked. :) Maybe we shouldn't have wasted the time chasing those two IBET stops (Tallapoosa and Vicksburg). :) > Congratz Dale. Thanks! I'm looking forward to hanging the BBG plate (1500 miles in 24 hours) under my other IBA license plate frame. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 11:18:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e78FIA804583 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA29479; Tue, 8 Aug 1972 11:23:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1972 11:23:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: statute of limitations for tickets? In-Reply-To: <39913a4a.307258644@smtp.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Don't know about statute of limitations for tickets---may only apply to trivial crimes like assault or theft. DC keeps records of unpaid tickets going back at least 19 years. --garcia "If you don't know where you're going, you might not get there." On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Anyone know if there is a statute of limitations on tickets? > or if local jurisdictions tend to take very old tickets out of the > system? (7 to 9 years old) > > or have any experience with stuff like that? > > Daniel > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 12:19:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e78GJk805864 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28070 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2000 16:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2000 16:19:01 -0000 Message-ID: <399032EE.F1DA16C8@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 12:18:54 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dale is on his way home References: <20000808062725.17660.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > Damn.. teach me to not read the list for a week or so... > I'm sittin here in western oklahoma at mom's house with two bikes just > itching to get out and ride even more than I already am.. weatherford > texas would have been a cinch to get over too.. or if on their way, I > woulda had a stopping place for em (and conventiently, my mom's house > is only 40 miles from an IBET stop... heading there wednesday myself! ) Darn, never thought to advertise the endpoint in Weatherford on DC cycles. I forget how we're kind of scattered all over. :) I got a real kick out of the backroads in Oklahoma and Arkansas we hit for a while on the way back home. The more I ride, the more I find places I'd never expect had good riding, and the more I wanna go back and spend quality time. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 12:30:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78GUZ806093 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:29:43 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33063000@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'DCMotoCrew'" Subject: Bike Night TONIGHT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:20:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Bike Night is tonight at Grevey's. Who is going to be there?????? Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 12:59:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e78GxY806533 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000808165823.737.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.50.80.69] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:58:23 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:58:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: dale is on his way home To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Darn, never thought to advertise the endpoint in Weatherford on > DC cycles. I forget how we're kind of scattered all over. :) > I would have missed it anyhow..last night was the first time I read the list in over a week...Eldorado is where my grandparents live and Hennessey is just over the hill from mom's house.. > I got a real kick out of the backroads in Oklahoma and Arkansas we > hit > for a while on the way back home. The more I ride, the more I find > places I'd never expect had good riding, and the more I wanna go back > and spend quality time. yep.. eastern oklahoma has some great riding through the ozark mountains... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 13:09:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78H90806771 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23784; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:07:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Mark Kitchell cc: "'DC Cycles'" , "'DCMotoCrew'" Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33063000@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Probably not me...Olney to VA is a haul on a Tues. night. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 13:10:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e78HAl806792 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 3320 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2000 10:10:39 -0700 Date: 8 Aug 2000 10:10:39 -0700 Message-ID: <20000808171039.3319.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 8 Aug 2000 17:10:39 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 08 Aug 2000 10:10:39 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.5 Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT On Tue, 08 August 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: sally and I will be. :-) > > Bike Night is tonight at Grevey's. Who is going to be there?????? > > > Mark ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 13:30:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78HUQ807200 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id i.d3.8450475 (3972); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:29:49 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:29:49 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 In a message dated 8/8/00 12:40:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > Bike Night is tonight at Grevey's. Who is going to be there?????? I'll be there :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 13:58:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78HwS807640 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA05818; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:53:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , , Cc: Subject: RE: Bike Night TONIGHT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:57:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Me too. erm... Unless it's raining that is. Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000 -----Original Message----- From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 10:30 AM To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT In a message dated 8/8/00 12:40:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > Bike Night is tonight at Grevey's. Who is going to be there?????? I'll be there :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 13:58:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78Hwt807650 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:58:08 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE3306300C@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Christopher Weaver'" , BryanRoach@XXXXXX, Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Night TONIGHT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:49:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Hoping it only rains early or not at all...... > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Weaver [SMTP:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 4:58 PM > To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX; Mkitchell@XXXXXX; > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Bike Night TONIGHT > > Me too. erm... Unless it's raining that is. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR1000 > > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 10:30 AM > To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT > > > In a message dated 8/8/00 12:40:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > > Bike Night is tonight at Grevey's. Who is going to be there?????? > > I'll be there :) > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:05:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78I5f807804 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-41-3.s3.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.41.3]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13MDko-0003P1-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:05:30 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:11:05 GMT Message-ID: <39907725.322839750@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e78I5o807805 |>Probably not me...Olney to VA is a haul on a Tues. night. Oh you're a real iron butt rider aren't you? From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:13:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e78IDq807883 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 4593 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2000 11:13:45 -0700 Date: 8 Aug 2000 11:13:45 -0700 Message-ID: <20000808181345.4592.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 8 Aug 2000 18:13:45 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 08 Aug 2000 11:13:45 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.5 Subject: RE: Bike Night TONIGHT On Tue, 08 August 2000, "Christopher Weaver" wrote: > Hope you don't mind if jeannette and I show up in our bathing suits...JUST KIDDING! Had to be a smartass. See you tonight. Laura > Me too. erm... Unless it's raining that is. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR1000 > > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 10:30 AM > To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT > > > In a message dated 8/8/00 12:40:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > > Bike Night is tonight at Grevey's. Who is going to be there?????? > > I'll be there :) > > - Roach ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:14:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78IE8807893 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19765; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 2000080814135517:97359 ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:13:55 -0400 Message-ID: <39904E67.5867B8C8@mitretek.org> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:16:08 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT References: <20000808171039.3319.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/08/2000 02:13:55 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/08/2000 02:13:56 PM, Serialize complete at 08/08/2000 02:13:56 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not I, said the cow. (NO jokes, Bill!) I'm still in this Job 1 to Job 2 transition phase (ie, I'm working BOTH), so I won't be able to show this evening. Have a blast, and I will make the 27th at Carpool! LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Tue, 08 August 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > sally and I will be. :-) > > > > Bike Night is tonight at Grevey's. Who is going to be there?????? > > > > > > Mark > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:14:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78IEL807903 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:13:40 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8692@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'LAURA GRANATO'" , chris.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Night TONIGHT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:04:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Don't mind at all. Anyone else? > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [SMTP:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 2:14 PM > To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX > Cc: BryanRoach@XXXXXX; Mkitchell@XXXXXX; > dc-cycles@XXXXXX; DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Bike Night TONIGHT > > On Tue, 08 August 2000, "Christopher Weaver" wrote: > > > Hope you don't mind if jeannette and I show up in our bathing > suits...JUST KIDDING! Had to be a smartass. See you tonight. > > Laura > > Me too. erm... Unless it's raining that is. > > > > Chris Weaver > > '98 VTR1000 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 10:30 AM > > To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Cc: DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT > > > > > > In a message dated 8/8/00 12:40:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > Bike Night is tonight at Grevey's. Who is going to be there?????? > > > > I'll be there :) > > > > - Roach > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:20:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78IJx807980 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-41-3.s3.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.41.3]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13MDym-0005uO-00; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:19:56 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: statute of limitations for tickets? Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:25:31 GMT Message-ID: <39917797.322953976@smtp.erols.com> References: <39913a4a.307258644@smtp.erols.com> In-Reply-To: <39913a4a.307258644@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e78IK2808009 I'd like to thank everyone on and off list for the replies. Maybe i can give a little more detail and solicit some even more interesting replies.. at age 17 I got my liscense. I was driving a 70's something dodge dart around in DC and the cops gave me $300 in tickets.. slight crack in the front windshield, front tag in the front window and something else related to the car. (for some reason the jerk cop didn't appreciate me driving my friends around and told me to go back to maryland.... it's not like *I* drove in an illegal manner. what a jerk.. he pulled me over before he even knew he anything to write me up on.) Same day I get pulled over in maryland for speeding. didn't pay the ticket and my liscense was supsended. SO in my brilliance (remember this was 8 or so years ago) I decide to go to VA and try to get a liscense, only to coincidentally happen through a VA police checkpoint LOL. WIthout ID, I spent some hours in the pokey and was released. Well instead of them writing me "driving on suspended" they had me up as "Driving without a liscense".. i missed that court date and the $250 fine doubled to $500. That was probably 7 years ago. That was actually a moving violation. So after that I paid my maryland fines, and have had a legal maryland liscense for a long time now. I just avoided driving in DC an VA when I could. Oddly enough though, one time DC ran my liscense through and didn't say anything, just gave me 2 warnings.. and another time, DC pulled my friend over and had me drive home. I think I showed my liscense, but not sure if they called it in. I called VA and DC years ago and it was on record, but I think i'll call back now and see what they say. Maybe i'll get lucky. I'll let you know.. I know my MD liscense has never been on hold because of any other jurisdiction.. but i'll appreciate any further input, if you have heard of similiar circumstances.. Thanks Guys Daniel "trying to avoid trouble with the LAW" :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:21:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78ILE808057 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va17-54.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.246]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00618; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39907B19.F9B21BC@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:26:49 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kristina M. Rogish" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT References: <20000808171039.3319.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <39904E67.5867B8C8@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uh, Kristina... The second bike night in August at CarPool is on the 20th. Hope you be at that one and not the one that isn't on the 27th! %^) Chuck "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > Not I, said the cow. (NO jokes, Bill!) > > I'm still in this Job 1 to Job 2 transition phase (ie, I'm working BOTH), so I > won't be able to show this evening. Have a blast, and I will make the 27th at > Carpool! From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:34:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78IYJ808285 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA437161 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399052A2.E4D9EFC0@radix.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:34:10 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: statute of limitations for tickets? References: <39913a4a.307258644@smtp.erols.com> <39917797.322953976@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX lamented: > at age 17 I got my liscense. I was driving a 70's something dodge > dart around in DC and the cops gave me $300 in tickets.. ... > Same day I get pulled over in maryland for speeding. didn't pay the > ticket and my liscense was supsended. ... probably 7 years ago. That was > actually a moving violation. > > So after that I paid my maryland fines, and have had a legal maryland > liscense for a long time now. I just avoided driving in DC an VA when > I could. ... As I said to you off list, but for other (not so) Free state residents, if you are 'Moving Violation' Free for 3 years or more - NOT ticket free, moving violation free (not all tickets are moving violations), you can EXPUNGE your driving record for FREE. It won't get done if you don't request it, AND, it will go on indefinitely if you don't expunge it. My driving record had an administrative suspension on it for 2 days ( I mailed a fine that didn't get processed in time ) & it showed up until I was 27 or 28 (happened when I was 21) I kept collecting tickets just weeks shy of the expungement deadline, & my driving record, uhh, well, let's just say spanned a couple of pages ;-) > Daniel > "trying to avoid trouble with the LAW" :) Based on all the run ins you've just listed in the previous email, it's no wonder. In my 20's, most traffic stops started off by the cop saying 'hey, don't I know you'... that's a bad thing. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:36:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flash.niaid.nih.gov (flash.niaid.nih.gov [128.231.136.26]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78Iad808372 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by flash.niaid.nih.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:36:34 -0400 Message-ID: <0CF057718479D111AEFA00A0C989933006E34046@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> From: Carsten Watzl To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: DC tax Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:36:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Hi everybody, I just moved from Maryland to DC and I guess I need to register my bike (YZF600R) now in DC. Does anybody know if I have to pay tax on the bike again? I paid tax when I bought the bike in Maryland a bit more than a year ago. And if I have to pay tax again, how much will it be and how do they determine that (I don't hope they calculate the tax on what I paid for the bike more than a year ago!). Thanks for your help, Carsten From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:42:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78IgQ808477 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-182.patriot.net [209.249.180.182]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e78IgDW22832; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:42:13 -0400 Message-ID: <399052A5.D980F320@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:34:13 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kristina M. Rogish" CC: LAURA GRANATO , Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, DCMotoCrew@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT References: <20000808171039.3319.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <39904E67.5867B8C8@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who, me? Make a joke? The mere thought that I would is udderly ludicrious. Kristina M. Rogish wrote: > Not I, said the cow. (NO jokes, Bill!) > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:49:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78Inu808574 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-41-3.s3.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.41.3]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13MERm-0004Z4-00; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:49:54 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: statute of limitations for tickets? Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:55:29 GMT Message-ID: <39928102.325365470@smtp.erols.com> References: <39913a4a.307258644@smtp.erols.com> <39917797.322953976@smtp.erols.com> <399052A2.E4D9EFC0@radix.net> In-Reply-To: <399052A2.E4D9EFC0@radix.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e78Inw808575 |>until I was 27 or 28 (happened when I was 21) I kept collecting tickets |>just weeks shy of the expungement deadline, & my driving record, uhh, |>well, let's just say spanned a couple of pages ;-) Lol I know that luck.. that's like 2 days ago i got cuaght in the rain, (45 min away from home) but it stopped raining as i pulled into my driveway! So you've related your experience in Maryland.. let me propose this..and pick your brain. I have not had a ticket in VA in 4 years. Turns out that ticket was in 10/96. I almost havent' had a ticket in 3 years (in any district) but I just got a speeding ticket in maryland, 74 in a 65. Do you think I can file for expungement in VA sense I didn't have any tickets in VA, or is my luck about the same as yours? LOL Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:55:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78Its808670 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-182.patriot.net [209.249.180.182]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e78ItmW25145; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:55:49 -0400 Message-ID: <399055D5.9B98E494@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:47:49 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Watzl CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: DC tax References: <0CF057718479D111AEFA00A0C989933006E34046@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeppers, I bet you do. It's not "sales tax", it's "title tax". Calculation based on a mysterious blue book value. I'm not sure if MD requires their notorious one-time inspection for bikes, but on cars that little detail if a mega-buck hit. Bill Carsten Watzl wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I just moved from Maryland to DC and I guess I need to register my bike > (YZF600R) now in DC. > Does anybody know if I have to pay tax on the bike again? I paid tax when I > bought the bike in Maryland a bit more than a year ago. > And if I have to pay tax again, how much will it be and how do they > determine that (I don't hope they calculate the tax on what I paid for the > bike more than a year ago!). > > Thanks for your help, > > Carsten From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:56:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78Iuo808680 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA435865 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399057EB.92EFDEAE@radix.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:56:43 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: statute of limitations for tickets? References: <39913a4a.307258644@smtp.erols.com> <39917797.322953976@smtp.erols.com> <399052A2.E4D9EFC0@radix.net> <39928102.325365470@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Lol I know that luck.. that's like 2 days ago i got cuaght in the > rain, (45 min away from home) but it stopped raining as i pulled into > my driveway! > > So you've related your experience in Maryland.. let me propose > this..and pick your brain. Watch it Mister. this is a family list... > I have not had a ticket in VA in 4 years. > Turns out that ticket was in 10/96. I almost havent' had a ticket in > 3 years (in any district) Expungement will only work in the state you are licensed to drive in ; your home state... there are some military exceptions - very complex. > but I just got a speeding ticket in > maryland, 74 in a 65. Just got or just got convicted of ? Convictions are what counts. If your record looks half as bad as mine did when I was 25, & you're staring down the barrel of another conviction, get a lawyer - 9 over isn't considered evil, you could double the fine & plead to an inspection (non moving) violation . > Do you think I can file for expungement in VA > sense I didn't have any tickets in VA, or is my luck about the same as > yours? LOL Sounds like your luck is like mine. But, if you get a clean record, you can revisit insurance rates, & probably save hundreds of dollars / year ( I saved $900 / year on just my cage policy 1 month after expungement )... YMMV. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 14:59:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78Ixf808758 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-215-144.s398.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.215.144] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13MEb5-00001P-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:59:34 -0400 Message-ID: <00bf01c0016a$4fdb30e0$4ed93ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <0CF057718479D111AEFA00A0C989933006E34046@atlas.niaid.nih.gov> Subject: Re: DC tax Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:55:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 As far as I can remember you don't have to pay title transfer tax unless the ownership is changing hands. Transferring your registration from another state (or should I say _a_ state) doesn't require payment of the tax, only a small fee for issuing a DC title, but it's been several years since we moved from Virginia, so my memory may be hazy. When I bought my bike, however, I definitely had to pay, since ownership was changing. It was 3% (I think) and the clerk looked up the value in the "blue book." Sale price listed on the old title or bill of sale doesn't seem to matter. Important note: on your first visit to C St. NW, they will only give you a 30-day temp tag, for a nominal charge, of course. You need to get the bike inspected down on Half St. SW and then return to C St. to get your new title and tags. Of course, you can't do _any_ of this until you have a valid DC operator's license, which requires all sorts of documents, including _two_ proofs of DC residency (gas bill, pay stub, apt. lease, etc.), your old license and proof of your Social Security Number. Don't even bother going down there until you have all the documents, otherwise you're wasting your time. There is no finessing things through there. I did hear that DWV now accepts credit cards? It used to be cash or check. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC DC DMV veteran 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Carsten Watzl To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 2:36 PM Subject: DC tax > Hi everybody, > > I just moved from Maryland to DC and I guess I need to register my bike > (YZF600R) now in DC. > Does anybody know if I have to pay tax on the bike again? I paid tax when I > bought the bike in Maryland a bit more than a year ago. > And if I have to pay tax again, how much will it be and how do they > determine that (I don't hope they calculate the tax on what I paid for the > bike more than a year ago!). > > Thanks for your help, > > Carsten > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 15:23:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78JN2809173 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008081923.e78JN2809173@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 1.a3.9c20156 (15874); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web43.aolmail.aol.com (web43.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.4]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:21:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:21:12 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT To: , Cc: , , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown It is utterly ridiculous that anyone would make a joke on this list. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Tue, 8 Aug 2000 2:44:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bill Huson writes: << Who, me? Make a joke? The mere thought that I would is udderly ludicrious. Kristina M. Rogish wrote: > Not I, said the cow. (NO jokes, Bill!) > >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 15:49:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78JnF809584 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-41-3.s3.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.41.3]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13MFN9-0007HG-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:49:11 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: statute of limitations for tickets? Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:54:46 GMT Message-ID: <39958fad.329120400@smtp.erols.com> References: <39913a4a.307258644@smtp.erols.com> <39917797.322953976@smtp.erols.com> <399052A2.E4D9EFC0@radix.net> <39928102.325365470@smtp.erols.com> <399057EB.92EFDEAE@radix.net> In-Reply-To: <399057EB.92EFDEAE@radix.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e78JnT809585 |> Watch it Mister. this is a family list... Are you sure about that? i've seen some pretty crude stuff! hehe |> Expungement will only work in the state you are licensed to drive in ; Figures so it woudln't do me any good. (for this application) |>> but I just got a speeding ticket in |>> maryland, 74 in a 65. |> |> Just got or just got convicted of ? Convictions are what counts. If |>your record looks half as bad as mine did when I was 25, & you're Convicted of. It went a little something like this. A friend and I took two passengers to the innerharbor on a double date. we did about 75 up there. It was cool that evening and my passenger wanted to go home a little faster than we came... so about 12:30 a.m or so we are heading back and the cop pulls us over. Paced us doing 95 mph. he wrote it up for an 84 in a 65. We go to howard county court. We prepare to plead our cases (guilty) and throw ourself on the mercy fo the court. We were prepared to say how it was late traffic was light and we were just trying to get home, full leathers, MSF safety course, all this and that.. so we go to court... and the judge is letting people off easy left and right... so we decide to STFU and go with the flow. Just say guilty and let us roll through like everyone else. ANd we did.."how do you plead" "guilty" "do you have anything you want to add?".. "no sir"... "based on your driving record i'm going to reduce this to a 74 in a 65. court costs will be blah blah..Next...." That's not so bad :) And here we thought we were gonna get our pants set on fire hehe. I like how they work up there.. efficient, lienient, and collect their money :) Too bad they go after speeders and not weavers or distracted drivers.. oh well. |>staring down the barrel of another conviction, get a lawyer - 9 over |>isn't considered evil, you could double the fine & plead to an |>inspection (non moving) violation . I'll be looking into a VA lawyer. VA said my fines are now $750 with interest. Maybe a lawyer can do somethign for me.. |> Sounds like your luck is like mine. But, if you get a clean record, |>you can revisit insurance rates, & probably save hundreds of dollars / |>year ( I saved $900 / year on just my cage policy 1 month after |>expungement )... YMMV. I have no complaints about my insurance.. prior to this one ticket, i haven't had one in 3 years. I pay $250 a year liability only for 6 months on my car, and about the same for a year on my 95 zx6r full coverage. State farm ROCKS. i'm afraid to see how much a new bike would run me though :) Luckily i'm over 25, have good credit and a mostly clean driving history. I just would like to come to bike night occasionally without havign to worry about going to the pokey. : ) Needless to say i'll avoid this up coming one. hehe. thanks for the input :) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 15:58:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hgsi.com (firewall-user@XXXXXX [192.239.53.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78Jwr809749 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hgsi.com; id PAA28006; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(192.239.52.27) by biotin.hgsi.com via smap (V5.5) id xma027956; Tue, 8 Aug 00 15:58:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 Message-ID: From: Devon_Weide@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:58:27 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mozart/Hgsi(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 08/08/2000 03:58:28 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You jokesters should be punnished! Punnalized and sent to the Punnetentiary! -Devon ScooterFZR@ao l.com To: , 08/08/2000 cc: , 03:21 PM , , Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT It is utterly ridiculous that anyone would make a joke on this list. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Tue, 8 Aug 2000 2:44:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bill Huson writes: << Who, me? Make a joke? The mere thought that I would is udderly ludicrious. Kristina M. Rogish wrote: > Not I, said the cow. (NO jokes, Bill!) > >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 16:08:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78K8l809915 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va17-54.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.246]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05341 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3990944C.AA7E43AE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:14:20 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Pitbull rear stand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A little while back, I think someone on the list was selling a Pitbull rear stand. Still available and for sale? If so, how much? I'm interested. Thanx! Chuck From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 16:35:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e78KYs810317 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000808203426.28966.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.209] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 13:34:26 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:34:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Pitbull rear stand To: Chuck Pena , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sorry...i sold it for $100 some time ago fast lane cycles in chantilly sells them new for $140 --- Chuck Pena wrote: > A little while back, I think someone on the list was > selling a Pitbull > rear stand. Still available and for sale? If so, > how much? I'm > interested. Thanx! > > Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 16:42:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78Kfr810399 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e78Kf6S15351 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:41:07 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: Bike Night TONIGHT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:41:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c00178$f7c72260$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal This thread doesn't receive your cowtenance? ;) Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Devon_Weide@XXXXXX [mailto:Devon_Weide@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 3:58 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT You jokesters should be punnished! Punnalized and sent to the Punnetentiary! -Devon ScooterFZR@ao l.com To: , 08/08/2000 cc: , 03:21 PM , , Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT It is utterly ridiculous that anyone would make a joke on this list. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Tue, 8 Aug 2000 2:44:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bill Huson writes: << Who, me? Make a joke? The mere thought that I would is udderly ludicrious. Kristina M. Rogish wrote: > Not I, said the cow. (NO jokes, Bill!) > >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 17:14:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78LEM810971 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id i.e6.94a3c88 (4569); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:10:41 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:10:41 EDT Subject: Email address To: ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX, abolt06@XXXXXX, kall@XXXXXX, AReed@XXXXXX, edscca@XXXXXX, GBarber433@XXXXXX, abell@XXXXXX, maraber@XXXXXX, SuzBoyer@XXXXXX, mb@XXXXXX, tim.brown@XXXXXX, DCCALD@XXXXXX, christopher.cappalo@XXXXXX, TOODYBEAR@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, conniec@XXXXXX, rclairmont@XXXXXX, LMCMONT@XXXXXX, sharee.coleman@XXXXXX, David.Collins@XXXXXX, gail.crawford@XXXXXX, dankenney@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, desaip@XXXXXX, sdewey@XXXXXX, dfritsch@XXXXXX, Dunlap_WH@XXXXXX, kathyd@XXXXXX, JimEpting@XXXXXX, jfennelly@XXXXXX, sean.ferry@XXXXXX, paul.feuerstein@XXXXXX, John.J.Fisher@XXXXXX, Gmars@XXXXXX, peterg@XXXXXX, hpinc@XXXXXX, hahart@XXXXXX, danhaube@XXXXXX, gordon.hesse@XXXXXX, suesocold@XXXXXX, jennifer.l.hobbs@XXXXXX, dh46245@XXXXXX, joyce.holscher@XXXXXX, hondariders@XXXXXX, marc.jacobini@XXXXXX, brent.jacocks@XXXXXX, JayLFrye@XXXXXX, jzcohlmann@XXXXXX, JimJacks@XXXXXX, may.lai@XXXXXX, blasalle@XXXXXX, christie.leiser@XXXXXX, RacerStev@XXXXXX, gslorenz@XXXXXX, Bruce32905@XXXXXX, kevin.magee@XXXXXX, bob.malkin@XXXXXX, Lordorange@XXXXXX, Marymadog@XXXXXX, mattison@XXXXXX, rmaund@XXXXXX, edward.mcglennen@XXXXXX, E3mck@XXXXXX, gmckeithen@XXXXXX, nancy.mckeithen@XXXXXX, shellga@XXXXXX, Gwenm@XXXXXX, lynn.mcknight@XXXXXX, charles.mclemore@XXXXXX, smcpeak@XXXXXX, glenn.moore@XXXXXX, motoguzzi@XXXXXX, nistsj@XXXXXX, nomad98@XXXXXX, jjcabin@XXXXXX, kenhpayson@XXXXXX, jphilips@XXXXXX, Altsol@XXXXXX, ppommer@XXXXXX, conchfritter@XXXXXX, CharlieR@XXXXXX, mike.g.riley@XXXXXX, Rick_Royer@XXXXXX, IMALRT2@XXXXXX, ghsimmons@XXXXXX, pjsimpson@XXXXXX, PamelaFayeSmith@XXXXXX, jeff@XXXXXX, dave@XXXXXX, timothy.tarr@XXXXXX, TTEWS@XXXXXX, evilcotgrevil@XXXXXX, FFCRACE@XXXXXX, zbig@XXXXXX, vhu@XXXXXX, NJitzul@XXXXXX, lwalton@XXXXXX, Kevrep96@XXXXXX, barbara.wassell@XXXXXX, jwatts@XXXXXX, wheeltowheel@XXXXXX, joseph.zohlmann@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Contrary to what you may have heard, our e-mail address is still mckeithen@XXXXXX. AOL had a little hiccup. If you have sent anything to this address in the last two days please resend. Bob/Nancy From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 17:15:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78LFo811043 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e78L6fh02913 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2324 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2000 21:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2000 21:05:00 -0000 Message-ID: <399075F4.F22DF8ED@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:04:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Bike Night TONIGHT References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33063000@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Bike Night is tonight at Grevey's. Who is going to be there?????? > > Mark Tracy and I will be there. See ya! Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 17:17:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from boo-mda02.boo.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [216.200.67.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e78LGu811068 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boo.net (ppp-boonet2-38.boo.net [208.184.99.38]) by boo-mda02.boo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08816 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:16:37 -0400 Message-ID: <39907693.1617508D@boo.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:07:31 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: bike night? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what time does it start??? thanks!! jay From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 8 17:42:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash2.flashmail.com [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e78Lfm811427 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26293 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2000 21:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2000 21:41:43 -0000 Message-ID: <39907E49.1399C537@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:40:25 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jay Goddard CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: bike night? References: <39907693.1617508D@boo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jay Goddard wrote: > > what time does it start??? > > thanks!! > jay 7pm. http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 08:18:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79CI3826614 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-41-3.s3.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.41.3]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13MUo3-0003xj-00; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 08:18:00 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Chuck Pena Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Pitbull rear stand Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:23:35 GMT Message-ID: <399376fb.388343060@smtp.erols.com> References: <3990944C.AA7E43AE@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <3990944C.AA7E43AE@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e79CIn826615 I have a lockheart phillips / muzzy rear wheel stand. You can have it for $100. It lifts the swing arm up. I think it works for most sportbikes. Let me know if you're interested. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 09:11:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f66.hotmail.com [209.185.131.129]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79DBF827351 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 06:11:06 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: ASKARDLIFE@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PC800: A-bit offended... Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:11:06 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2000 13:11:06.0653 (UTC) FILETIME=[470C74D0:01C00203] Hmmmmm...I'm sorry you feel this way. Sure there are some folks who've equiped a bike worth only $5,000 or less with equipment worth $1,500 or more. But I like to hear about how the "rich" are equiping their bikes -- better for them to experiment with their money than me with mine! Plus there have been many ideas/items that I've heard about on the list that I can afford -- like velcroing a $100 Sony Walkman to the speaker panel for tunes. As for your statement about not being able to afford decent riding apparal... I'm sure your being penny wise and pound foolish. You don't have to spend $600-$1000 for a decent suit. There are decent protective leather riding jackets for $150-300 and protective pants for $150 -- you need to look for late season sales and search the Internet. Add a rain suit for less than $50. Add a pair of Wall-mart boots and $30 gloves and you're done. You already have the helmet. You don't have to get it all at once, but you should. Have you ever really dumped your bike? If you had, you'd know that if you can't afford to buy good protective gear, you shouldn't be riding the bike. Not to be too descriptive, but road rash really, really, really, really hurts. Even more so is the process of picking out the little stones from your skin at the emergency room. Think about it..... >Well lister's, > I have been biting my tongue for sometime now. I will no longer stay >silent. My beef... I am tired of hearing how, if you don't have the proper >riding gear. blah blah blah...you could have been hurt less or not at all >with the gear on. Well, let me tell ya...your right! I would love to own >the >gear you all speak so highly of. However, I feel some of you must make a >great deal of money to afford the Luxury of owning great riding apparel. I >to >wish I could get an aerostich jacket and pants. I am envious and saddened >by >the disrespect of the common rider. My 2-Cents >that was in my Bluejean pocket's... I even wear a helmet! >-TODD >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@XXXXXX. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@XXXXXX. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 09:20:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.mail.yahoo.com (smtp2.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79DKM827568 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sp4-1-242.mgfairfax.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.163.122.242) by smtp2.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2000 13:20:18 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Lin_Tan" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: bike night thanks Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:20:18 -0400 Message-ID: <002201c00204$90477220$f27aa318@ltanner.cox.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Thanks for another great bike night!! Lots of new names and faces. Keep it up. LindaT. Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 09:25:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79DPh827581 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 21396 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2000 06:25:35 -0700 Date: 9 Aug 2000 06:25:35 -0700 Message-ID: <20000809132535.21395.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 9 Aug 2000 13:25:35 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 09 Aug 2000 06:25:35 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.5 Subject: buzz killer!!!! Well, after bike night was over (it was a blast!!!) I headed out to PJ Skidoos with Roach and two other guys (not sure if they are on the list, don't think so)...we all pull up in front of the bar, park the bikes, and go inside. About 30 minutes later some guy comes in and asks "who has the yellow GS? some chic just hit it with her car and it went down." Being the hot blooded Italian I am, I was pissed, but being the nice person I am felt bad for the chic (although I shouldn't have b/c the guy said she tried to bolt after hitting my bike and he caught up with her). Damage: Bar-end mirror (saved me from replacing the brake lever AGAIN!), scratched transmission cover. All in all, not too bad, but it definitely didn't end my night the way I would have liked it to. Thanks to Roach and Corbett for helping me out! Much appreciated. :-) Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 09:32:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79DWl827777 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 21497 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2000 06:32:40 -0700 Date: 9 Aug 2000 06:32:40 -0700 Message-ID: <20000809133240.21496.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 9 Aug 2000 13:32:40 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 09 Aug 2000 06:32:40 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX;, smeyer@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.5 Subject: Saturday's relaxed ride hey everyone! It sounds like Saturday's ride is going to be a blast. Once again, I'm hoping to see some new people at this ride, so if you've been unsure about a DC-Cycles ride before, this is the one for you! Nice and relaxed...I promise! We're going to organize it so Michelle and I lead the first group and will leave about 10 minutes prior to the second group. Chuck will lead the second group, therefore he will be the sweep for the first group...also, having Chuck lead the second group means he won't be able to go any faster than the first group. lol. Rob Keiser will sweep for the entire ride. We also need to get an idea of how many people think they'll be stopping for the brunch, too. So let me know. We'll have ride sheets on Saturday, but for this ride, only the two group leaders should need them because we won't be going fast enough to lose anyone. ;-) Here's the plan; we'll all meet at 9:30 am, aiming to leave NLT 10 or so at: the Java Shack 2507 N. Franklin Rd. in Arlington (703) 527-9556 http://www.javashack.com. It's basically at the 3-way intersection of Wilson Blvd., N. Barton, and N. Franklin. if you need directions to the java shack, e-mail Chuck. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 09:33:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79DXM827791 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id l.ac.8e924ee (7042); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:32:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:32:49 EDT Subject: Re: Pitbull rear stand To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 If you go to www.kowatools.com you will find a number of stands available. They were on sale recently and may still be. I purchased a front and a rear stand for about $130 for both. These stands are heavy-duty and are the red stands you may have seen used by some of the WSB teams on TV. Kowa Tools doesn't advertise much outside the racing community so they are not well known. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 09:35:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79DZX827896 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04198; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:35:23 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000809093325.00a229c0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:35:22 -0400 To: LAURA GRANATO From: Troutman Subject: Re: buzz killer!!!! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20000809132535.21395.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed That REALLY sucks. Did you harass her for trying to hit and run? Did you call the cops or just do insurance swap? Was she drunk or just a typical female driver? (haha) I couldn't make bike night yet again - had a softball game downtown. Maybe the next one..... At 09:25 AM 8/9/00 , LAURA GRANATO wrote: >Being the hot blooded Italian I am, I was pissed, but being the nice >person I am felt bad for the chic (although I shouldn't have b/c the guy >said she tried to bolt after hitting my bike and he caught up with her). > >Damage: Bar-end mirror (saved me from replacing the brake lever AGAIN!), >scratched transmission cover. > >All in all, not too bad, but it definitely didn't end my night the way I >would have liked it to. Thanks to Roach and Corbett for helping me >out! Much appreciated. :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 09:37:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79DbC827915 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11225; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000809093741.009f3660@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:38:26 -0400 To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: buzz killer!!!! In-Reply-To: <20000809132535.21395.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You were able to ride it home, right? Sorry that happened. Too bad she didn't run, then you guys could've caught up with her and... heh heh - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 06:25 AM 8/9/00 -0700, LAURA GRANATO wrote: >Well, after bike night was over (it was a blast!!!) I headed out to PJ >Skidoos with Roach and two other guys (not sure if they are on the list, >don't think so)...we all pull up in front of the bar, park the bikes, and go >inside. About 30 minutes later some guy comes in and asks "who has the >yellow GS? some chic just hit it with her car and it went down." > >Being the hot blooded Italian I am, I was pissed, but being the nice person >I am felt bad for the chic (although I shouldn't have b/c the guy said she >tried to bolt after hitting my bike and he caught up with her). > >Damage: Bar-end mirror (saved me from replacing the brake lever AGAIN!), >scratched transmission cover. > >All in all, not too bad, but it definitely didn't end my night the way I >would have liked it to. Thanks to Roach and Corbett for helping me out! >Much appreciated. :-) > >Laura Granato >'99 Suzuki GS500 > > >________________________________________________ >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 09:41:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79Df3827946 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 21553 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2000 06:40:39 -0700 Date: 9 Aug 2000 06:40:39 -0700 Message-ID: <20000809134039.21552.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 9 Aug 2000 13:40:39 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 09 Aug 2000 06:40:39 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: mike@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.5 Subject: Re: buzz killer!!!! On Wed, 09 August 2000, Troutman wrote: i was a lot calmer than I thought I would have been, but I felt bad for her. Roach and Corbett took care of the harassing part ;-) We didn't have our bikes parked in spots, so cops wouldn't have done much for me...but since I wasn't exactly thinking clearly, the chic was so scared I should have told her I was going to call the cops. I took the high road...karma, you know... I think she was part drunk, part just stupid ass chic. > > That REALLY sucks. Did you harass her for trying to hit and run? Did you > call the cops or just do insurance swap? Was she drunk or just a typical > female driver? > > (haha) > > I couldn't make bike night yet again - had a softball game downtown. Maybe > the next one..... > > At 09:25 AM 8/9/00 , LAURA GRANATO wrote: > >Being the hot blooded Italian I am, I was pissed, but being the nice > >person I am felt bad for the chic (although I shouldn't have b/c the guy > >said she tried to bolt after hitting my bike and he caught up with her). > > > >Damage: Bar-end mirror (saved me from replacing the brake lever AGAIN!), > >scratched transmission cover. > > > >All in all, not too bad, but it definitely didn't end my night the way I > >would have liked it to. Thanks to Roach and Corbett for helping me > >out! Much appreciated. :-) > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > More miles than I can shake a squid at. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 09:42:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79Dfx827949 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10421 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00771 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04223 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:41:04 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000809094050.00cbf590@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:41:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Shhhhhh Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed ftp://www.troutman.org/pub/motorcycle-stuff/hells_librarians.gif ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 09:43:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79DhQ828033 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-125.patriot.net [209.249.180.125]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e79DgUW04738; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:42:30 -0400 Message-ID: <39915DE5.408C40BE@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:34:29 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: buzz killer!!!! References: <20000809132535.21395.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You shouldn't feel the least bit sorry for a chic with load on *hic* who trashes your bike and then tries to flee the scene. Bust her insured ass for every frigging dime it costs you to fix the bike. Bill LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Well, after bike night was over (it was a blast!!!) I headed out to PJ Skidoos with Roach and two other guys (not sure if they are on the list, don't think so)...we all pull up in front of the bar, park the bikes, and go inside. About 30 minutes later some guy comes in and asks "who has the yellow GS? some chic just hit it with her car and it went down." > > Being the hot blooded Italian I am, I was pissed, but being the nice person I am felt bad for the chic (although I shouldn't have b/c the guy said she tried to bolt after hitting my bike and he caught up with her). > > Damage: Bar-end mirror (saved me from replacing the brake lever AGAIN!), scratched transmission cover. > > All in all, not too bad, but it definitely didn't end my night the way I would have liked it to. Thanks to Roach and Corbett for helping me out! Much appreciated. :-) > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 10:29:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79ETX828802 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-27.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.219]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14056; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3991964E.EC2CC846@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:35:10 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: buzz killer!!!! References: <20000809132535.21395.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura, Total bummer. Definitely NOT the way to end a Bike Night. Glad to hear the damage wasn't more extensive. Hope you (or Roach or Corbett) read the chic the riot act. Chuck LAURA GRANATO wrote : > > Well, after bike night was over (it was a blast!!!) I headed out to PJ Skidoos with Roach and two other guys (not sure if they are on the list, don't think so)...we all pull up in front of the bar, park the bikes, and go inside. About 30 minutes later some guy comes in and asks "who has the yellow GS? some chic just hit it with her car and it went down." From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 11:12:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79FC3829892 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:11:20 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86A4@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Chuck Pena'" , LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: buzz killer!!!! Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:02:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain By the way....... CHICK is a girl Chic is french fashion! Mark, loving chicks and chic chicks > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 1:35 PM > To: LAURA GRANATO > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: buzz killer!!!! > > Laura, > > Total bummer. Definitely NOT the way to end a Bike Night. Glad to hear > the damage wasn't more extensive. Hope you (or Roach or Corbett) read > the chic the riot act. > > Chuck > > LAURA GRANATO wrote : > > > > Well, after bike night was over (it was a blast!!!) I headed out to PJ > Skidoos with Roach and two other guys (not sure if they are on the list, > don't think so)...we all pull up in front of the bar, park the bikes, and > go inside. About 30 minutes later some guy comes in and asks "who has the > yellow GS? some chic just hit it with her car and it went down." From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 11:21:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f40.hotmail.com [216.32.181.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79FL5800357 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:20:57 -0700 Received: from 208.36.208.2 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.36.208.2] From: "Kewl GT" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tire Change Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:20:56 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2000 15:20:57.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A828000:01C00215] I am sure this question has been asked many times before so whats one more time. I need to change the back tire on my Yamaha YZF600, where in Northern VA/DC can I go to quickly and painlessly get the tire changed? I already know of Powerride Motor sports. Any recommendations on a good tire for an YZF600? Regards Sanath ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 11:21:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79FLL800373 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 177 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2000 08:21:13 -0700 Date: 9 Aug 2000 08:21:13 -0700 Message-ID: <20000809152113.176.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 9 Aug 2000 15:21:13 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 09 Aug 2000 08:21:13 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.5 Subject: RE: buzz killer!!!! On Wed, 09 August 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: busting on the editor...damn! guess i'll have to start editing my own e-mails. ;-) > > By the way....... > > CHICK is a girl > Chic is french fashion! > > Mark, loving chicks and chic chicks > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chuck Pena [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 1:35 PM > > To: LAURA GRANATO > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: buzz killer!!!! > > > > Laura, > > > > Total bummer. Definitely NOT the way to end a Bike Night. Glad to hear > > the damage wasn't more extensive. Hope you (or Roach or Corbett) read > > the chic the riot act. > > > > Chuck > > > > LAURA GRANATO wrote : > > > > > > Well, after bike night was over (it was a blast!!!) I headed out to PJ > > Skidoos with Roach and two other guys (not sure if they are on the list, > > don't think so)...we all pull up in front of the bar, park the bikes, and > > go inside. About 30 minutes later some guy comes in and asks "who has the > > yellow GS? some chic just hit it with her car and it went down." ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 11:40:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79Few800672 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000809154046.24270.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.172] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 08:40:46 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:40:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tire Change To: Kewl GT , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Kewl GT wrote: > Any recommendations on a good tire for a YZF600? this absolutely depends upon what type of riding you do please give us some more info -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 12:03:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f183.hotmail.com [216.32.181.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79G3E801087 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:00:03 -0700 Received: from 208.36.208.2 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.36.208.2] From: "Kewl GT" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Change Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:00:03 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2000 16:00:03.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0F45C90:01C0021A] The kind of riding I do is the typical DC Cycles rides. Lots of twisties and some high-speed runs. I am not necessarily looking for race type tires but a good sticky street tire. Thanks for the help Sanath >From: Tom Gimer >To: Kewl GT , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Tire Change >Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:40:46 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Kewl GT wrote: > > Any recommendations on a good tire for a YZF600? > >this absolutely depends upon what type of riding you >do > >please give us some more info > > >-- >tg > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. >http://invites.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 12:11:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79GBS801221 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000809161121.16563.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.172] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:11:21 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:11:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tire Change To: Kewl GT , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Kewl GT wrote: > The kind of riding I do is the typical DC Cycles > rides. Lots of twisties and > some high-speed runs. I am not necessarily looking > for race type tires but a > good sticky street tire. excellent sticky street tires: Dunlop D207 Michelin Streetpilot Bridgestone BT56SS Metzeler ME Z1/Z2/Z3/Z4 i'd say they are all equally excellent, and it just depends on the profile you want: -Dunlops are more triangular -Metzeler and Michelins are more round -haven't used the Bridgestones, but have heard good things about them (including price)... -dual compound tires (such as the ME Z4) last longer and are better for those who commute during the week and hit the mountains on the weekends -if i were you, i'd replace both tires now and put the half-used front in the garage as a spare....but that's just me > >From: Tom Gimer > >To: Kewl GT , > >--- Kewl GT wrote: > > > Any recommendations on a good tire for a YZF600? > > > >this absolutely depends upon what type of riding > >you do > > > >please give us some more info __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 12:17:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79GH6801385 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:15:26 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Tire Change Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:24:26 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 Sannath Wrote: I need to change the back tire on my Yamaha YZF600, where in Northern VA/DC can I go to quickly and painlessly get the tire changed? I already know of Powerride Motor sports. Powerride would be the most painful place to go (at least as far as your wallet goes). Try Fastlane, Cycle Sport, crossroad. You can save lots of time and $ by showing up with a wheel instead of a bike. Any recommendations on a good tire for an YZF600? If you're only changing the rear, get the tire that matches the front. Odd combos sometimes work OK, sometimes give very strange handling characteristics. Not really worth finding out the hard way. Consensus seems to be Dunlop D207 or Bridgestone BT56SS. Both relatively cheap and long lasting with plenty of grip. I can tell you firsthand that a bridgestone front and dunlop rear was not good on my ZX9. I haven't really heard of anyone really disliking any of the latest sportbike rubber. So, it all comes down to $ really. Find a deal and go with it. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 12:20:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79GKh801472 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA611972 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399184C8.39D27B6B@radix.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:20:24 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: buzz killer!!!! References: <20000809152113.176.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > On Wed, 09 August 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > busting on the editor...damn! guess i'll have to start editing my own e-mails. ;-) How about we adopt synonyms > > > > CHICK is a girl how 'bout Dame, babe, honey, broad, or toots ? just to avoid any further confusion ;-) > > Chic is french fashion! Sheikh sp(?) is not... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 13:02:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79H22802194 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000809170155.27006.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.172] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:01:55 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:01:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Attn: Dave Yates.... re: expungement To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii dave: i'm looking to expunge, to the extent possible, my driving record in md. -- and if i remember correctly, md. is your home state how did you go about this? location, forms, timing, etc. tyvmia -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 13:14:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79HEa802370 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.22.9ad58cf (4333) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:14:18 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <22.9ad58cf.26c2eb6a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:14:18 EDT Subject: WARNING: SEVERE STORM INBOUND To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Anyone who rode into work... you might want to think about bailing out fairly soon, or waiting till later. There is a severe thunderstorm headed this way, high-winds, hail, the whole nine yards. The radar image is pretty nasty as it's WAY red. This has been a public service announcement :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 13:15:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79HFB802447 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00216 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:15:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Weather Information (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This came off of a bicycle mailing list, but is relevent for us as well. There's a button "click here for hourly forecasts." I do not guarantee the accuracy of these forecasts... --------------------------------- (This information was originally posted on the DCBIKE mailing list:) AccuWeather has an upgraded free Web site that provides their forecasts, as well as those from the Natl Weather Service. Their own forecasts include hourly predictions for the next 8 hours or so, which might come in handy for ride planning. The URL is: http://www.accuweather.com/adcbin/hbh_local?nav=home&metric=0 You need to put in your ZIP code initially to get your local forecast. HTH, Rich -- Rich Gibbs Rich.Gibbs@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 13:21:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79HL5802526 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:19:29 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86AF@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Harleys Suck?? Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:10:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain >From Sonny Barger, THE Hells Angel: But the most controversial part of the book comes when Barger utters the biker equivalent of blasphemy: He denounces Harleys. "In terms of pure workmanship, personally I don't like Harleys," he writes. "I ride them because I'm in the club and that's the image, but if I could I would seriously consider riding a Honda ST1100 or a BMW. . . . Japanese bikes today are so much cheaper and better built." That statement is, one biker magazine suggested, "as shocking as Hugh Hefner advocating celibacy." Complete article at: http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59009-2000Aug8.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 13:27:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79HRE802622 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA605873; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3991945E.C788E36C@radix.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:26:54 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Attn: Dave Yates.... re: expungement References: <20000809170155.27006.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > > dave: > i'm looking to expunge, More info than I needed there, Tom ;-) > to the extent possible, my > driving record in md. OH, expunge your driving record. oops. -- and if i remember correctly, > md. is your home state Yeah, but I'm working on it :-) > > how did you go about this? location, forms, timing, > etc. Easy, go to ANY MVA in MD. You *may* be able to bypass the obligatory 30 minute wait at the information line & go to the forms table & find the form, but don't count on it... it reads something like '...request to expunge MD driving record...'. If you KNOW that you have no moving violations(convictions that is) in the past 3 years, your cool. If you're unsure, get a non certified copy of your driving record ($12.00) to be sure. Fill out the form & hand it in. In about 4 - 6 weeks they'll notify you one way or the other. If you have a ticket pending trial, but no conviction, they ask about that on the form, & will hold your expungement request until the ticket is disposed of. Once you get the response from the MVA, if they did expunge your driving record, get another copy of your driving record & commence shopping for insurance. If you're ticket & accident free for the past 3 years, and you're willing to perhaps shift homeowners, bike etc coverage, you can save some real dough. Don't just call one agent from different companies either, I called a 2nd Allstate agent after the 1st one wouldn't cover my Cobra. I not only got it covered, I got it at $300.00 less than the closest other quote. One caveat ; if you're insured by Maryland Automobile Insurance Fund or an 'indemnity' risk policy, getting a regular (read : inexpensive ) policy will be very difficult. Legally, with a clean record they are supposed to offer you a regular policy, but typically, agents won't do it ' you have a risk policy & we don't cover ... on risk policies'. If you run into this, get on someone else's policy for a year or so then you should be good. HTH & ywvm ! -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 13:28:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79HSR802633 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.c4.79b86d4 (4333) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:27:29 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:27:28 EDT Subject: Re: Harleys Suck?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Too funny, isn't it? I keep meaning to pick up his book... could be an interesting read. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 13:29:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79HTm802643 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA17228; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000809133028.00a23630@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:31:02 -0400 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: WARNING: SEVERE STORM INBOUND In-Reply-To: <22.9ad58cf.26c2eb6a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think I'm the jinx. Didn't ride in yesterday, it was nice. Rode in today... ugh. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 01:14 PM 8/9/00 -0400, BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > >Anyone who rode into work... you might want to think about bailing out fairly >soon, or waiting till later. > >There is a severe thunderstorm headed this way, high-winds, hail, the whole >nine yards. The radar image is pretty nasty as it's WAY red. > >This has been a public service announcement :) > >- Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 13:36:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79HZt802839 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17408 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2000 17:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2000 17:36:11 -0000 Message-ID: <39919642.1719E797@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:34:58 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Harleys Suck?? References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86AF@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > > That statement is, one biker magazine suggested, "as shocking as Hugh Hefner > advocating celibacy." More like Hugh Hefner advocating normal, average-looking women without silicone. Which one requires less maintenance? :) That's probably the only thing Sonny and I happen to agree on. > Complete article at: > http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59009-2000Aug8.html -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 13:36:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79HaT802849 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.aa.8ffa1dc (4333) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:36:13 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:36:12 EDT Subject: Re: Weather Information (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 8/9/00 1:30:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, berman@XXXXXX writes: > This came off of a bicycle mailing list, but is relevent for us as > well. There's a button "click here for hourly forecasts." I do not > guarantee the accuracy of these forecasts... I just downloaded this nifty weather thing that NBC4 does... runs on your PC, gives you local weather, radar, forecasts, warnings, etc, all real-time - http://weatherbug.nbc4.com/default.asp?cid=9 - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 13:44:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79Hin802981 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:43:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: berman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Weather Information (fwd) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:43:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm not seeing it. What's the deal? Check out this for weather: http://www.intellicast.com/LocalWeather/World/UnitedStates/MidAtlantic/Maryl and/WashingtonDC/RadarLoop/ Looks like nothing's really going to hit before 6, no? /Erik -----Original Message----- From: Morris Berman [mailto:berman@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 1:15 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Weather Information (fwd) This came off of a bicycle mailing list, but is relevent for us as well. There's a button "click here for hourly forecasts." I do not guarantee the accuracy of these forecasts... --------------------------------- (This information was originally posted on the DCBIKE mailing list:) AccuWeather has an upgraded free Web site that provides their forecasts, as well as those from the Natl Weather Service. Their own forecasts include hourly predictions for the next 8 hours or so, which might come in handy for ride planning. The URL is: http://www.accuweather.com/adcbin/hbh_local?nav=home&metric=0 You need to put in your ZIP code initially to get your local forecast. HTH, Rich -- Rich Gibbs Rich.Gibbs@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 14:05:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79I56803389 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 3.98.8b73fde (4333); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:04:15 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <98.8b73fde.26c2f71e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:04:14 EDT Subject: Re: Weather Information (fwd) To: eschelzig@XXXXXX, berman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 8/9/00 1:47:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eschelzig@XXXXXX writes: > I'm not seeing it. What's the deal? http://www.intellicast.com/LocalWeather/World/UnitedStates/MidAtlantic/Marylan d/WashingtonDC/RadarLoop/ The nat'l weather service has put out a big alert... being beeped on the television screen and such. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 14:13:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79IDl803545 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-142.patriot.net [209.249.180.142]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e79IDeS18709; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:13:40 -0400 Message-ID: <39919D72.21D94B3C@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:05:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Harleys Suck?? References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86AF@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, but Sonny missied the whole point. Harleys have a *soul*, as in they're always *interesting*. Like you fire it up in the AM and you never really know if you'll be riding it back or bringing her back on a hook. Like every single completed ride is a success. Gives a warm fuzzy feeling, you know. And you'll definetely get to use all those neat tools you just had to buy. Harley's require massaging, a few pats, an occassional kiss, just like women. Ignore a Harley and it will leave you hi and dry, instead of wet and grinning. Jap bikes and *gag* beemers. Turn the key and varooommm.... Same shit, different day, no thrills, no wierd noises, no vibes = a boring lay :-) Bill Mark Kitchell wrote: > >From Sonny Barger, THE Hells Angel: > > But the most controversial part of the book comes when Barger utters the > biker equivalent of blasphemy: He denounces Harleys. "In terms of pure > workmanship, personally I don't like Harleys," he writes. "I ride them > because I'm in the club and that's the image, but if I could I would > seriously consider riding a Honda ST1100 or a BMW. . . . Japanese bikes > today are so much cheaper and better built." > That statement is, one biker magazine suggested, "as shocking as Hugh Hefner > advocating celibacy." > > Complete article at: > http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59009-2000Aug8.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 14:14:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79IET803608 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11560 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA07619 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA608148 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39919F78.2063BFCB@radix.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:14:16 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Rocket Round up follow up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did anyone see ch. 4's follow up to the MD gestapo's Operation Rocket Roundup ? I think Sunday AM ... There were some of the old clips, but Vance interviewed the LSR (lady sport riders), & the report was, well, way more balanced than the propaganda they parroted a few weeks earlier. I thought a good line was Vance saying 'they're not road rockets or crotch rockets, they're sport bikes' Good on ya, Vance. I only wish it would have gotten Prime Time press, like the MSP Bovine Fecal Matter in the form of a large pile. Also interviewed was a shop owner & it was keenly pointed out that the LSR's were professionals, not a bunch of hooligans. Very cool. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 14:35:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79IZF804310 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va19-10.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.138]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24316 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3991CFE1.B3E197@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:40:49 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rocket Round up follow up References: <39919F78.2063BFCB@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yup, I saw it. But it was late afternoon/early evening newscast. Definitely more balanced coverage. But still footage of sportbikers wearing t-shirts, jeans, and sneakers while riding! And Doreen Gentzler (sp?) insisted on calling the "road rockets". Chuck Dave Yates wrote : > > Did anyone see ch. 4's follow up to the MD gestapo's Operation Rocket > Roundup ? I think Sunday AM ... From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 14:53:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79Irp804601 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16069; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 2000080914533985:5745 ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:53:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3991A939.81736D0C@mitretek.org> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:55:53 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson CC: Mark Kitchell , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Harleys Suck?? References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86AF@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> <39919D72.21D94B3C@patriot.net> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/09/2000 02:53:40 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/09/2000 02:53:41 PM, Serialize complete at 08/09/2000 02:53:41 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Ignore a Harley and it will leave you hi and dry, instead of wet and grinning. ....... I thought you didn't ride your bike in the rain, Bill? ;-) > Jap bikes and *gag* beemers. Turn the key and varooommm.... Same shit, > different day, no thrills, no wierd noises, no vibes = a boring lay :-) but they look good between your legs, right? ;-) hahaha... ok, that was bad. sorry... my apologies From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 14:58:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79Iwa804683 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA645755 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3991A9D2.5C6E1737@radix.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:58:26 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rocket Round up follow up References: <39919F78.2063BFCB@radix.net> <3991CFE1.B3E197@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chuck Pena wrote: > > Yup, I saw it. But it was late afternoon/early evening newscast. > Definitely more balanced coverage. But still footage of sportbikers > wearing t-shirts, jeans, and sneakers while riding! And Doreen Gentzler > (sp?) insisted on calling the "road rockets". Vance, George Michael (the sportscaster, not the singer) & Sonny Jurgensen are the saving grace of their news team. Vance is a biker, & bikers are cool. I actually like Vance doing the sports Better than GM... We won't even bring up the discussion of Bob Ryan's weather forecasts (ugh). But, you're right on about Doreen ; she did women everywhere a disservice with her ignorance. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 15:07:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79J78804849 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25184 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2000 19:07:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2000 19:07:22 -0000 Message-ID: <3991AB9F.DFA4EAF1@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:06:07 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Harleys Suck?? References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86AF@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> <39919D72.21D94B3C@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Huson wrote: > > Jap bikes and *gag* beemers. Turn the key and varooommm.... Same shit, > different day, no thrills, no wierd noises, no vibes = a boring lay :-) Well, I get laid at least twice a day, every day, just like clockwork... :) Except on weekends, then it's hit or miss. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 15:14:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79JEH804958 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va19-10.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.138]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28380 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3991D90C.10CED81F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:19:56 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rocket Round up follow up References: <39919F78.2063BFCB@radix.net> <3991CFE1.B3E197@ix.netcom.com> <3991A9D2.5C6E1737@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave, I agree about Jim Vance. Have had the pleasure of actually riding with him (he was on his Fat Boy) and hanging out with him talking m/c trash at the Starbucks in Potomac. And he is most definitely a "H-D dude" -- Bill Huson would appreciate! %^) I was decked out in full leathers (complete w/pucks!) and Jim had jeans, basic black biker boots, a leather vest (no shirt!), half gloves, and something that passed for a helmet! %^) Chuck Dave Yates wrote : > > Vance, George Michael (the sportscaster, not the singer) & Sonny > Jurgensen are the saving grace of their news team. Vance is a biker, & > bikers are cool. I actually like Vance doing the sports Better than > GM... We won't even bring up the discussion of Bob Ryan's weather > forecasts (ugh). But, you're right on about Doreen ; she did women > everywhere a disservice with her ignorance. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 15:41:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79Jft805400 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-85.patriot.net [209.249.181.85]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e79JfIS00709; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:41:21 -0400 Message-ID: <3991B1F4.E693B60A@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:33:08 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kristina M. Rogish" CC: Mark Kitchell , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Harleys Suck?? References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86AF@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> <39919D72.21D94B3C@patriot.net> <3991A939.81736D0C@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kristina M. Rogish wrote: > > Ignore a Harley and it will leave you hi and dry, instead of wet and grinning. > > ....... I thought you didn't ride your bike in the rain, Bill? ;-) YES! It's about the only time it gets washed. Spritz a bit of soap on it, and Varooommm... Off we go into tthe rain. Gotta duck the bubbles for a few miles. > > Jap bikes and *gag* beemers. Turn the key and varooommm.... Same shit, > > different day, no thrills, no wierd noises, no vibes = a boring lay :-) > > but they look good between your legs, right? ;-) hahaha... ok, that was bad. > sorry... my apologies Well, my biker chic(k) kinda likes the vibes... From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 15:44:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79JiX805487 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-85.patriot.net [209.249.181.85]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e79JiFS01259; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:44:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3991B2A7.76675EBF@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:36:07 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Harleys Suck?? References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86AF@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> <39919D72.21D94B3C@patriot.net> <3991AB9F.DFA4EAF1@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > Bill Huson wrote: > > > > Jap bikes and *gag* beemers. Turn the key and varooommm.... Same shit, > > different day, no thrills, no wierd noises, no vibes = a boring lay :-) > > Well, I get laid at least twice a day, every day, just like clockwork... > :) > Except on weekends, then it's hit or miss. > > Dale > Me too - basic commutor toy. Weekends also hit or miss - house guest last weekend, grandkiddies chewing on my ankles this weekend. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 16:38:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79KcJ806527 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGerm@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 8.35.8aecdae (6537); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:37:23 -0400 (EDT) From: HGerm@XXXXXX Message-ID: <35.8aecdae.26c31b02@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:37:22 EDT Subject: Re: WARNING: SEVERE STORM INBOUND To: jzell@XXXXXX, BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Jeanette: you're not alone. I've almost completely given up on riding to work. No one seems to be able to predict the weather with any accuracy :( /Harold// From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 16:41:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79KfA806548 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12190 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11638 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05783 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:41:06 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000809164041.00cd29b0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:41:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Go home now or stay at work! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.intellicast.com/LocalWeather/World/UnitedStates/MidAtlantic/Virgi nia/Sterling/Radar/ The storm is here...damnit.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org It is well documented that for every mile that you jog....you add one minute to your life. This enables you at 85 years old to spend an additional 5 months in a nursing home at $5000 per month. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 16:54:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79KsZ806814 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA07891; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006f01c00244$accb2500$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas_Zell" To: "Dave Yates" , "Tom Gimer" Cc: References: <20000809170155.27006.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> <3991945E.C788E36C@radix.net> Subject: Re: Attn: Dave Yates.... re: expungement Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:59:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Does this work in VA... anyone? Tom <--- been a good boy for quite a while now! '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" To: "Tom Gimer" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Attn: Dave Yates.... re: expungement > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > dave: > > i'm looking to expunge, > > More info than I needed there, Tom ;-) > > > to the extent possible, my > > driving record in md. > > OH, expunge your driving record. oops. > > -- and if i remember correctly, > > md. is your home state > > Yeah, but I'm working on it :-) > > > > > how did you go about this? location, forms, timing, > > etc. > > Easy, go to ANY MVA in MD. You *may* be able to bypass the obligatory > 30 minute wait at the information line & go to the forms table & find > the form, but don't count on it... it reads something like '...request > to expunge MD driving record...'. If you KNOW that you have no moving > violations(convictions that is) in the past 3 years, your cool. If > you're unsure, get a non certified copy of your driving record ($12.00) > to be sure. Fill out the form & hand it in. In about 4 - 6 weeks > they'll notify you one way or the other. If you have a ticket pending > trial, but no conviction, they ask about that on the form, & will hold > your expungement request until the ticket is disposed of. > Once you get the response from the MVA, if they did expunge your > driving record, get another copy of your driving record & commence > shopping for insurance. If you're ticket & accident free for the past 3 > years, and you're willing to perhaps shift homeowners, bike etc > coverage, you can save some real dough. Don't just call one agent from > different companies either, I called a 2nd Allstate agent after the 1st > one wouldn't cover my Cobra. I not only got it covered, I got it at > $300.00 less than the closest other quote. One caveat ; if you're > insured by Maryland Automobile Insurance Fund or an 'indemnity' risk > policy, getting a regular (read : inexpensive ) policy will be very > difficult. Legally, with a clean record they are supposed to offer you > a regular policy, but typically, agents won't do it ' you have a risk > policy & we don't cover ... on risk policies'. If you run into this, > get on someone else's policy for a year or so then you should be good. > > HTH & ywvm ! > > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 16:54:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e79Ksw806834 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13630 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2000 20:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2000 20:55:15 -0000 Message-ID: <3991C4EA.CBDBE5BE@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:54:02 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: HGerm@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WARNING: SEVERE STORM INBOUND References: <35.8aecdae.26c31b02@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > > Jeanette: you're not alone. I've almost completely given up on riding to > work. No one seems to be able to predict the weather with any accuracy :( > /Harold// So what does weather have to do with riding to work? If it's raining in the morning when you leave, and you don't want to get wet, take the car. If it's raining at lunch, and you want to go out, bum a ride from someone at work. If it's raining at night, who cares? You are going home anyway! Ride through really big mud puddles and have a ball. Get soaked. Be one with the rain. Or buy good rain gear or a decent riding suit and laugh at everyone else. :) Yes I've oversimplified it. So what? You and the bike are not gonna melt if you get wet. I've been doing it this way for 4 years now. Weather plays a very small role in my decision making process anymore. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 16:58:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79KwC806914 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12474 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA12104 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16314 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2000 20:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2000 20:58:31 -0000 Message-ID: <3991C5AF.DEB71715@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:57:19 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Go home now or stay at work! References: <4.2.0.58.20000809164041.00cd29b0@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > > http://www.intellicast.com/LocalWeather/World/UnitedStates/MidAtlantic/Virgi > nia/Sterling/Radar/ > > The storm is here...damnit.... That first line of showers looks kind of nasty, it seems to taper off after that. I've got an office with a window view looking west in Chantilly, I've been watching it head this way all afternoon. I think I'll wait it out. Been needing to put a few more hours in at the office anyway. :) Ride safe, folks! Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 17:53:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79LrV808088 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-214-202.s202.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.214.202] helo=starpower.net) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Mdmy-0007l0-00; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:53:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3991D3AD.F0A77845@starpower.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:57:01 -0400 From: "Paul A. Wilson" Reply-To: pawilson@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WARNING: SEVERE STORM INBOUND References: <35.8aecdae.26c31b02@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The weather's completely predictable: plan on a thunderstorm at quitting timne every day. It's right on schedule this evening. There's one cure for this sort of weather: cordura. HGerm@XXXXXX wrote: > > Jeanette: you're not alone. I've almost completely given up on riding to > work. No one seems to be able to predict the weather with any accuracy :( > /Harold// -- Paul A. Wilson Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 17:57:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79LvW808167 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-245.s245.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.245]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Mdqs-0000Nn-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:57:30 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PC800: A-bit offended... Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:03:02 GMT Message-ID: <3991fde7.422888895@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e79LvY808168 Wow I missed this thread.. but i must say, I paid $200 for full leathers; jacket, pants, and a set of crappy joe rocket gloves. (will never buy joe rocket again). I must say i'm probably about the most finaincially low (never exactly broke nor bad with money) being a slacker n all, but if you can afford a motorcycle as a second means of transportation then you can afford everything you need to protect you from road rash... If you can afford $100 here and there for repairs, you can afford $200 to keep your skin safe. If you need help finding bargains, you can start at my website: http:/motorcycle-info.com Daniel From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 18:07:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79M7j808342 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05992 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:07:34 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000809180547.00b62870@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:06:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: WARNING: SEVERE STORM INBOUND In-Reply-To: <3991D3AD.F0A77845@starpower.net> References: <35.8aecdae.26c31b02@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cordura wouldn't have helped me Monday in the wind, nor tonight in the hail. A bit of 'creative riding' got me home just as the rain started. At 05:57 PM 8/9/2000 , Paul A. Wilson wrote: >The weather's completely predictable: plan on a thunderstorm at quitting >timne every day. It's right on schedule this evening. There's one cure for >this sort of weather: cordura. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 18:36:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79MaU808798 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-245.s245.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.245]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13MeSZ-0004ZP-00; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:36:28 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Kewl GT Subject: Re: Tire Change Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:41:59 GMT Message-ID: <399203bf.424385170@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000809161121.16563.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000809161121.16563.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e79Maa808799 the D207 sometimes has been known to statistically (but rarely) been related to tank slappers a little more than other tires (as a front tire or set?) (someone correct me if i'm wrong.) You may just want to get a used but taken off - tire from a fellow lister. I got a mich macadam 90X from a fellow lister (Thanks again TODD!). It seems like a decent all around tire for me. He didn't like it but it seems okay to me. I have no desire to replace it until ti's wore out. Some guy online said he got 10k miles out of one! I guess it depends on how you brake, and how you ride though. I aim to get as much out of mine. I think Todd put 3k or maybe 1500 on it, and I put atleast 3 to 5k on it. Anyway I would get some race take off's from a fellow lister. They are pretty cheap and are pretty good tires. I think Todd may also have another tire for sale (he did at the time I needed one) and he has the tire changing machine and is a great guy! Collin usually has some race take offs at great prices as well! I plan to take that route every chance I get... but then I dont' abuse my tires so i think I could do alright with used race take off tires. General consensus is that race take off tires are a good value and decent enough as street tires. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 19:29:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79NTD809620 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.18.bac4ea (4459) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:28:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <18.bac4ea.26c34333@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:28:51 EDT Subject: VIR To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Bryan, Randy, Brad etc.: Are you guys going to VIR? I am going, but I race on Friday. When are you guys going down? I plan to go on Thursday and I know there are practice sessions for you young fellows on Friday. I broke down and bought a Yamaha TD-3 (early 70s 250cc GP bike) so I now have two bikes to take down. I am prepared to tow them down myself on Thursday with the Land Cruiser, but if you have room (Bryan) and are going Thursday I'd rather drive down with the Bimmer. As usual, I'm staying at the local Holiday Inn. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 20:04:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (c008-h013.c008.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.202]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7A04K810213 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 20:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 26374 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2000 17:04:07 -0700 Received: from ip118.charleston2.sc.pub-ip.psi.net (HELO surfree.com) (38.30.241.118) by smtp.surfree.com (209.228.14.202) with SMTP; 9 Aug 2000 17:04:07 -0700 X-Sent: 10 Aug 2000 00:04:07 GMT Message-ID: <3991F1C5.BE0AE117@surfree.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:05:25 -0400 From: Do Yin Reply-To: doyin@XXXXXX Organization: HOME X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ride sheets Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone have good ride sheets they'd like to share? Anything in the Va or Md area is cool. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 20:05:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7A05R810292 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 20:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-36-127.s127.tnt6.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.36.127] helo=erols.com) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Mfqd-000436-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:05:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3991F1B7.14721540@erols.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:05:11 -0400 From: Tim Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: PC800: A-bit offended... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd wrote: > I have been biting my tongue for sometime now. I will no longer >stay silent. My beef... I am tired of hearing how, if you don't have >the proper riding gear. blah blah blah...you could have been hurt >less or not at all with the gear on. Well, let me tell ya...your >right! I would love to own the gear you all speak so highly of. >However, I feel some of you must make a great deal of money to >afford the Luxury of owning great riding apparel. I to wish I >could get an aerostich jacket and pants. I am envious and saddened >by the disrespect of the common rider. My 2-Cents >that was in my Bluejean pocket's... I even wear a helmet! Todd, I've ridden for 22+ years. I rode for 17 years before I could afford to buy a honest-to-God made for motorcycling leather jacket. What was I doing? Making a lower middle-class salary and raising three kids, sacrificing so that my wife could quit her full-time jub (that paid her more than my salary) so that she could stay home with the kids. To us, and our family, it was worth it. Does that mean I didn't have the "proper protective gear" all those years I rode? Of course not. I didn't have a motorcycle jacket, but I had a variety of sturdy, heavy, and medium-weight casual jackets that I wore while riding. Some of them were even bought at secondhand clothing stores. Boots? Not motorcycle boots. Hiking boots, combat boots, even cowboy boots served that function over the years. Gloves? The only real "motorcycling" gloves I had for years was a pair of cheap Korean winter guantlets. I found a pair of used "Hippo Hands" at a swap meet for $10 to keep my hands warm in the winter, and wore heavy gardening gloves underneath. Protective pants? Jeans in the summer, and a $90 close-out special TourMaster winter riding suit that I made last for 12 full years, riding year-round. I have worn a full-face helmet since my second year of riding, and that's the only thing I "splurged" on for those first 15-17 years. Why, even the Aerostitch RoadCrafter that I (finally) have now I bought USED over the Internet. You do not have to be rich to be protected when you ride. You just have to want to do your best to minimize the adverse consequences of a fall, whether your own fault or entirely out of your hands. Disrespect for the common rider? Hardly. I see kids riding every day in shorts and t-shirts on motorcycles that cost more money than any bike I have owned in my 22 years of riding. Is it that they can't afford to wear protective gear? Or is it that they *choose* not to? Tim Morrow From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 9 21:25:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7A1PD811516 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA14660 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA16541 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-63.208.164.58.Washington2.Level3.net [63.208.164.58]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA10153; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Dave Yates" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Rocket Round up follow up Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:17:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c00268$c32c7960$3aa4d03f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39919F78.2063BFCB@radix.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 It was on last Friday evening's 6pm newscast. the sunday must have been a repeat. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 2:14 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Rocket Round up follow up Did anyone see ch. 4's follow up to the MD gestapo's Operation Rocket Roundup ? I think Sunday AM ... There were some of the old clips, but Vance interviewed the LSR (lady sport riders), & the report was, well, way more balanced than the propaganda they parroted a few weeks earlier. I thought a good line was Vance saying 'they're not road rockets or crotch rockets, they're sport bikes' Good on ya, Vance. I only wish it would have gotten Prime Time press, like the MSP Bovine Fecal Matter in the form of a large pile. Also interviewed was a shop owner & it was keenly pointed out that the LSR's were professionals, not a bunch of hooligans. Very cool. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 05:56:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7A9uV820250 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 05:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA769533 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 05:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39927C45.68C04873@radix.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 05:56:21 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Attn: Dave Yates.... re: expungement References: <20000809170155.27006.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> <3991945E.C788E36C@radix.net> <006f01c00244$accb2500$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas_Zell wrote: > > Does this work in VA... anyone? > don't know ; never been a licensed driver in the commonwealth. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 08:01:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AC1B822199 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7AC13S25378 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 05:01:03 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: RE: PC800: A-bit offended... Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:00:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c002c2$9b63e4e0$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3991fde7.422888895@smtp.erols.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I agree, I use Timberline boots I got on sale at Hecht's with the wife's discount and a coupon sale. I bought the Motoport pants for about $100 at Poweride when they had a coupon sale. If you fill out their mailing list, you get coupons in the mail and a calendar showing attractive women using Honda lawn mowers while wearing lingerie. Remember to be totally offended when your wife sees it ;) I got my jacket as a Christmas present, but I have seen jackets for cheap on the Internet ($78 on one site, that's less than 4 really good pizzas). Remember, used jackets are plentiful because riders inevitably get together to discuss riding, where they proceed to eat pizzas and drink ale, which leads to certain, ahem "widening", which causes demand for bigger jackets. Suddenly you have good, but narrow used jackets for sale. Daniel: I couldn't hit the site, is the link correct? Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA > " Everybody is somebody else's weirdo." -----Original Message----- From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:03 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PC800: A-bit offended... Wow I missed this thread.. but i must say, I paid $200 for full leathers; jacket, pants, and a set of crappy joe rocket gloves. (will never buy joe rocket again). I must say i'm probably about the most finaincially low (never exactly broke nor bad with money) being a slacker n all, but if you can afford a motorcycle as a second means of transportation then you can afford everything you need to protect you from road rash... If you can afford $100 here and there for repairs, you can afford $200 to keep your skin safe. If you need help finding bargains, you can start at my website: http:/motorcycle-info.com Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 10:26:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (c008-h018.c008.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.207]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7AEQb824542 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 18155 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2000 07:26:29 -0700 Date: 10 Aug 2000 07:26:29 -0700 Message-ID: <20000810142629.18154.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 10 Aug 2000 14:26:29 GMT Received: from [216.233.216.162] by mail.surfree.com with HTTP; 10 Aug 2000 07:26:29 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.5 Subject: how often? I just subbed to this mailing list. Question I have is - How often do you guys get together to go riding? I see there's one planned this weekend but I have already made other plans. Where do you guys normally ride, how fast and how big are the groups? _____________________________________________________ The freedom to choose your own Internet access price. Surfree.com - got to be free http://www.surfree.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 10:38:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AEc6824822 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10814 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:37:58 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000810103455.00cc1b60@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:37:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: how often? In-Reply-To: <20000810142629.18154.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:26 AM 8/10/00 , doyin@XXXXXX wrote: >I just subbed to this mailing list. Question I have is - How often do you >guys get together to go riding? I see there's one planned this weekend >but I have already made other plans. Pretty much 1 or 2 every weekend. >Where do you guys normally ride, how fast and how big are the groups? Most of the rides are very fast, but there are generally slower rides planned too. Unfortunately most of my rides have been commuting and long solo rides - couldn't make most group activities. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 10:45:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AEjh825047 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10841 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:45:36 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000810104444.00cbbbd0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:45:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: how often? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000810103455.00cc1b60@mail.wheatintl.com> References: <20000810142629.18154.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>Where do you guys normally ride, how fast and how big are the groups? I skipped part of the question. Groups range from 6 to 20, and most rides have been in the Western backroads of VA starting near Leesburg. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 12:09:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AG9b826585 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-245.s245.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.245]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Mumm-00074a-00; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:02:24 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Cc: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: Re: PC800: A-bit offended... Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:07:48 GMT Message-ID: <3993fd71.488316240@smtp.erols.com> References: <000101c002c2$9b63e4e0$770810ac@cedric> In-Reply-To: <000101c002c2$9b63e4e0$770810ac@cedric> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7AGA7826586 oops i left a slash out in the site link. http://motorcycle-info.com Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 13:06:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp9.gateway.net (relaye.gateway.net [208.230.117.253]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AH6o827550 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hfzzv (client-151-196-117-2.bellatlantic.net [151.196.117.2]) by smtp9.gateway.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA00486 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:06:33 -0400 (EDT) From: fmuller@XXXXXX Message-ID: <001c01c002ec$2123b6e0$db1dfea9@hfzzv> To: Subject: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:57:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Last night my R6 and F4 were stolen Both had alarms, bike covers and they were chained to the concrete and one another. Does anyone have any experience with Progressive Insurance on total loss claims? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Franz now bikeless fmuller@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 13:22:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7AHME827805 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000810172205.15302.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.181] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:22:05 PDT Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:22:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. To: fmuller@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i hope you had comprehensive insurance.... you'll have to jump through a few administrative hurdles (filling out forms w/ notarization, etc.) regarding the theft; progressive will pay you the full book value of your lost property minus your comprehensive deductible after 30 days (i know, it's an eternity) if the bikes are not found i feel for you man....i had one get away this spring --- fmuller@XXXXXX wrote: > Last night my R6 and F4 were stolen > Both had alarms, bike covers and they were chained > to the concrete and one > another. > Does anyone have any experience with Progressive > Insurance on total loss claims? > Any info would be greatly appreciated. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 13:23:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AHNK827815 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-217-251.s251.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.217.251] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Mw33-0000R8-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:23:18 -0400 Message-ID: <022e01c002ef$2ba75600$f4d43ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <001c01c002ec$2123b6e0$db1dfea9@hfzzv> Subject: Re: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:18:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I'm really sorry to hear about the thefts, but insurance companies won't pay a claim on a theft until a certain time has elapsed. Presumably that gives a reasonable time for the cops to attempt to recover the stolen property. It varies from company to company, but I think 30 days is typical. I hope you had good coverage. It might be a good idea to give us a description of the bikes: model year, color, modifications, tags, etc. You never know, the bikes might be spotted by one of us. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:57 PM Subject: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. > Last night my R6 and F4 were stolen > Both had alarms, bike covers and they were chained to the concrete and one > another. > Does anyone have any experience with Progressive Insurance on total loss > claims? > Any info would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > > Franz > > now bikeless > > fmuller@XXXXXX > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 13:33:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AHXL827995 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA00424; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000810133020.009fa830@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:30:52 -0400 To: fmuller@XXXXXX, From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. In-Reply-To: <001c01c002ec$2123b6e0$db1dfea9@hfzzv> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So sorry for your loss. That totally sucks! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 12:57 PM 8/10/00 -0400, fmuller@XXXXXX wrote: >Last night my R6 and F4 were stolen >Both had alarms, bike covers and they were chained to the concrete and one >another. >Does anyone have any experience with Progressive Insurance on total loss >claims? >Any info would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks > > >Franz > >now bikeless > >fmuller@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 13:49:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AHnq828277 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-47.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.175]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08776; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399316A4.A706F34D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:55:00 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.motorcycle.sportbike,rec.motorcycles To: DC Cycles , Suzuki Bikes , parr@XXXXXX Subject: Second Bike Night in August ... Sunday the 20th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The weather gods smiled upon us Tuesday night for the first Bike Night in August at Grevey's. I had visions of a Bike Night with everyone showing up in cars due to thunderstorms, lightning, and torrential rain/hail! %^) If you stayed late enough (i.e., 10pm), you got to see the wild start to the 125GP race (on Speedvision) where it seemed like half the field got nerfed in the first turn! If you missed Tuesday night (a good time was had by all), come to Bike Night at CarPool (Arlington, VA) on Sunday, August 20th, 5pm to 9pm. All the info is at the website http://www.geocities.com/bikenight Chuck, aka Skittles, aka Shooter '93 GSXR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 14:12:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AIC7828687 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7AIC0S01560 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:12:00 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:11:37 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c002f6$6dac6980$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001c01c002ec$2123b6e0$db1dfea9@hfzzv> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal That sucks. Were they in a garage? If not, don't mention it. Someone I know found out at the wrong time that Progressive only wrote policies on garaged bikes in his zip code; screaming didn't help, although he definitely tried. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: fmuller@XXXXXX [mailto:fmuller@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:57 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. Last night my R6 and F4 were stolen Both had alarms, bike covers and they were chained to the concrete and one another. Does anyone have any experience with Progressive Insurance on total loss claims? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Franz now bikeless fmuller@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 14:14:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AIEG828697 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7AIE9S01612 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:14:09 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Urgent action needed Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:13:47 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c002f6$baabb740$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal >From another list: Cedric Dear friends, I just got this, so sorry for the extremely short notice. However, we can still act. Please read, email off a response, and also forward it to other OHV related email lists to which you may belong. Thanks, Tom Warr drwarr@XXXXXX SITUATION Comments are urgently needed regarding the Sierra Nevada Conservation Framework Forest Plan Amendment Draft Environmental Impact Statement (EIS). This proposed plan would simultaneously amend the Forest Plans for all eleven of the national forests located in the Sierra Nevada Mountains. The implementation of this plan could restrict motorized use to trails specifically designated as open. This would reverse the management of roads to mean that the public will only be able to use a road or trail if there is a sign specifically stating that the road is open. It also restricts uses (including motorized and non-motorized trails) within 300 feet either side of perennial streams, 150 feet either side of intermittent streams, and 75 feet either side of ephemeral streams (any area showing scouring from water passage). Since most trails exist near some drainage or cross streams, this could adversely affect virtually all OHV access to the Sierra Mountains. It considers decommissioning of roads that are in conflict with the "objectives" or the "desired conditions" of an area but does not state whose desired conditions these are and leaves the door open to anti-access extremists pressure on forest managers. These standards would also be applied to the Inyo and White Mountains even though they are not part of the Sierra Nevada ecosystem. WHAT TO DO Provide polite, aimed and concise comment in writing to USDA Forest Service - CAET Sierra Nevada Framework Project PO Box 7669 Missoula, MT 59807 or E-mail to: mailroom_wo_caet@XXXXXX. Comments must be postmarked on or before August 11, 2000. The anti-access community has placed a very high priority on getting this proposal implemented and they have been able produce a large number of letters supporting the proposed actions. Rider support could be the only way to keep this area open to motorized recreation. Let the responsible official know that there is a spefic need for responsible motorized recreation on public land and that you appreciate them considering this in this EIS. This is your chance to be proactive in protecting your right to ride! If the US Forest Service does not hear from riders then they will not know of your feelings on motorized recreation until the gates go up, then it is to late. Print this notice and distribute it at local motorcycle shops, and among all motorcycle, ATV riders and other OHV enthusiasts encouraging them to provide comment as well. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION Contact Royce Wood, Legislative Affairs Specialist, American Motorcyclist Association, 13515 Yarmouth Drive, Pickerington, OH 43147. Phone 614-856-1900. E-mail: rwood@XXXXXX ****************************************** Terry Lee Cook Government Relations Specialist American Motorcyclist Association 13515 Yarmouth Drive Pickerington, Ohio 43147 http://www.AMADirectlink.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 14:18:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AIIr828784 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id n.1e.93b2133 (3972); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:18:37 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1e.93b2133.26c44bfd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:18:37 EDT Subject: Re: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. To: fmuller@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 I had my YZF600R stolen 2 years ago, progressive was great about it. On my bike (less than a year old :( ) they gave me a 'Fair market evaluation' where they called shops and found for how much my bike was selling and gave me that figure - plus covered my cover, aftermarket slip on, etc for which I had receipts. You do have a 30-day wait, but then progressive just cuts you a check (minus deductable, of course). Sorry to hear the bastards got your bikes. It was one of the key reasons for me finally buying a house - getting a garage. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 16:10:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dirtydog.meretrix.com (dirtydog.meretrix.com [209.116.254.23]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AKAd800957 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirtydog.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by dirtydog.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AKAbO07893 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008102010.e7AKAbO07893@dirtydog.meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dumb cop questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <7890.965938237.1@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:10:37 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos Does anybody know why the police ask you these stupid questions when they pull you over? What are the "right" answers? - Do you know why I pulled you over? - Do you know how fast you were going? - Do you know what the speed limit is here? - Any reason why you were going so fast? -harry From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 16:38:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.mail.yahoo.com (smtp2.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7AKcg801499 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO ltannernt) (162.70.165.149) by smtp2.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2000 20:38:39 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <012801c0030a$f70ec330$95a546a2@amsinc.com> From: "Lin_Tan" To: References: <200008102010.e7AKAbO07893@dirtydog.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: dumb cop questions Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:38:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Oh-ohhhh, sounds like you got a ticket? I've had a lot of experience at this and I always play dumb. Ok, maybe it's not playing. I think they are trying to get you to admit to something other than what they already got you for. I have to admit, that I *always* get the ticket if they pull me over, so maybe this isn't the best ploy. As to the why were you going so fast, I've heard squirming and saying you have to pee sometimes works. YMMV LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 SuperSherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Harry Mantakos asked: Does anybody know why the police ask you these stupid questions when they pull you over? What are the "right" answers? - Do you know why I pulled you over? - Do you know how fast you were going? - Do you know what the speed limit is here? - Any reason why you were going so fast? -harry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 16:40:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe4.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AKeO801533 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.28.208.69] ([24.28.208.69]) by mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:40:21 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:47:23 -0400 Subject: Re: dumb cop questions From: David Cross To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200008102010.e7AKAbO07893@dirtydog.meretrix.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 8/10/00 4:10 PM, Harry Mantakos at harry@XXXXXX wrote: > Does anybody know why the police ask you these stupid questions > when they pull you over? What are the "right" answers? > > - Do you know why I pulled you over? > - Do you know how fast you were going? > - Do you know what the speed limit is here? > - Any reason why you were going so fast? I would respectfully decline to answer such questions. They will only come back to haunt you in court. Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 16:52:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AKqj801814 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id v.cb.862ff99 (4537); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:52:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:52:23 EDT Subject: Re: dumb cop questions To: harry@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 In a message dated 8/10/00 4:19:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, harry@XXXXXX writes: << - Do you know why I pulled you over? - Do you know how fast you were going? - Do you know what the speed limit is here? - Any reason why you were going so fast? -harry >> As a former Cop these questions lay the foundation for seeing if you are going to pass the attitude test. 1. Do you know why I pulled you over? To see if you were paying attention to your driving, to see if you are oblivious to the world around you, to see if you were aware of (and in route to repair) any vehicle deficiencies. Brownie points for honesty, candor and politeness. 2. Do you know how fast you were going. This lets the cop assess YOUR perception of the world around you (and what would alter that perception, one might ask?). Again, honesty gets you brownie points, however, absolute candor can be bad as well...(Yes officer, I knew that I was doing 120 in a 55.) Try to keep your answers convincing and within 10 miles of the posted speed limit. (Tolerance standards for a lot of cops is the following: 0 - 5 miles over - ignore 6-9 miles over - watch 10 miles over, move into position and wait for a 11 mile perhour sustained violation and then... 11 miles over, initiate stop. 3. Do you know what the speed limit is? Now, if you have answered question 2 with a high number and question 3 with a low number, you have verified that you are exercising your constitutional right to be stupid and are going to get nailed. If you answer 2 with a high number and 3 with a similar high number, you have a chance for a warning. If you answer 2 with a number lower than 3, you should be safe. 4. Four is "the last chance to save your ass and help me from writing you a ticket" question. If you can demonstrate that there was a valid reason for highballing down the crowded sidewalk, picking off the weak and infirm as nature intended, you have a chance to escape. Answers like, "My wife is having a baby in the back seat", should be accompanied with a fat screaming woman having either two heads for an extra arm or leg showing. Answering, "My wife is going to have a baby in the back seat" should not be accompanied by a naked babysitter in the back seat. In summary, these four questions lay the foundation for either letting you go on one hand, or unholstering a pistol and shooting you for being a silly shit out of season. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 16:55:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7AKtj801840 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 8325 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2000 13:55:36 -0700 Received: from PPPa71-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.228) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2000 13:55:36 -0700 X-Sent: 10 Aug 2000 20:55:36 GMT Message-ID: <009801c0030e$8a179280$d17c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , "Harry Mantakos" References: <200008102010.e7AKAbO07893@dirtydog.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: dumb cop questions Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:04:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > Does anybody know why the police ask you these stupid questions > when they pull you over? What are the "right" answers? I think they ask you those questions to put you on the spot and ruffle your feathers (piss you off more) > my answers when it happens (which is never...lol) > - Do you know why I pulled you over? I was speeding. > - Do you know how fast you were going? I always tell them about five under what I was actually going > - Do you know what the speed limit is here? yes, sir. > - Any reason why you were going so fast? no, sir. I find most cops, if you are honest with them, will give you the benefit of the doubt and let you off. I also noticed that every time I've gotten pulled over since I've had my CWP in Virginia, I've never gotten a ticket. They usually figure you're a good citizen and go easier on you. That's just been my experience. > Laura > From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 17:00:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AL0m801999 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-214-233.s233.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.214.233] helo=starpower.net) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13MzRV-00006D-00; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:00:46 -0400 Message-ID: <399318D5.284CC130@starpower.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:04:21 -0400 From: "Paul A. Wilson" Reply-To: pawilson@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions References: <200008102010.e7AKAbO07893@dirtydog.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1) Trying to get you to admit to something. 2) Trying to determine how coherent you are as a preliminary to a possible DUI. 3) Trying to determine if you're a complete nut case who's a threat to the office. Right answers depend on the situation. If you're my wife, you give him that lost puppy look and you say, "officer, I'm terribly sorry, it's my husband's car and I never drive it and, we just got married and gee whiz, he's going to very angry with me if I get a ticket. I swear I didn't know it was 25 through here. You must've just changed the signs." It worked too. She got off on a 45 in a 25. Harry Mantakos wrote: > > Does anybody know why the police ask you these stupid questions > when they pull you over? What are the "right" answers? > > - Do you know why I pulled you over? > - Do you know how fast you were going? > - Do you know what the speed limit is here? > - Any reason why you were going so fast? > > -harry -- Paul A. Wilson Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 17:39:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7ALdG802600 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11740 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2000 21:38:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2000 21:38:33 -0000 Message-ID: <399320C5.6CB27BAE@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:38:13 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harry Mantakos CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions References: <200008102010.e7AKAbO07893@dirtydog.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry Mantakos wrote: > > Does anybody know why the police ask you these stupid questions > when they pull you over? What are the "right" answers? The same reason cats play with mice before eating them? :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 17:42:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ALg7802689 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-136-159.s159.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.136.159] helo=bigfoot.com) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13N05U-0000Oy-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:42:04 -0400 Message-ID: <399321BE.6523A138@bigfoot.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:42:22 -0400 From: vulgar_power X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday's relaxed ride References: <20000809133240.21496.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A friend of mine and I are gonna make this ride. We will be coming from Manassas, so if anyone else from Manassas, or farther west wants to meet up drop me a line. We're prolly gonna leave from Manassas around 8 or 8:30 so we can have a cup at the shack. LAURA GRANATO wrote: > hey everyone! It sounds like Saturday's ride is going to be a blast. Once again, I'm hoping to see some new people From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 18:12:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AMBw803110 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.38.9e39334 (4318) for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:11:36 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <38.9e39334.26c48297@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:11:35 EDT Subject: Re: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 In a message dated 8/10/00 13:11:18 Eastern Daylight Time, fmuller@XXXXXX writes: > Does anyone have any experience with Progressive Insurance on total loss > claims? Bummer - Progressive's been absolutely great to me in replacing bent wheels and stuff - almost instant claims service. Good luck Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 18:22:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AMMl803320 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.46.91e16d9 (4318) for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:22:34 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <46.91e16d9.26c48529@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:22:33 EDT Subject: Re: Saturday's relaxed ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Is there a route sheet up yet? (or a probable route). I have this horrible problem making my motorcycle head east from here - it thinks that I'm going to work :-( If this ride is heading westerly, perhaps there are intercept points? Michael J. P.S. In the line of relaxed rides, the Antietam club usually has absolutely GREAT routes laid out for their poker runs. If anyone missed their announcement to the list last Sunday, I'd be glad to forward it to you. From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 19:42:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ANg6804682 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.54.7dd9335 (4005) for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:41:46 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: <54.7dd9335.26c497ba@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:41:46 EDT Subject: Fwd: Mid west Trip observations To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_54.7dd9335.26c497ba_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 --part1_54.7dd9335.26c497ba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_54.7dd9335.26c497ba_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Full-name: McKeithen Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:05:22 EDT Subject: Mid west Trip observations To: motoguzzi@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Left Charles Town WV last Wednesday at 4AM to attend my 40th year high school reunion in New London WI. Arrived in Fond du Lac WI. at 11PM Wed night --901 miles. My wife flew out to join me and we made relaxed three day trip back. 1.They must be handing out stupid pills with motorcycle permits in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and Wisconsin. No more ten percent of the riders I saw were wearing any kind of helmet or decent protective gear. 2. Fewer than twenty per cent of riders,regardles of brand or type returned my wave. Whats up with that? 3.Toll roads should charge motorcycle less than cars since our impact on the road is so small. In fact motorcycles should get a freebie since it is so time consuming to remove gloves and fish for $ 4. Tri State Expessway around Chicago has the most stupid system of all. Stop every 9-10 miles to dig out .50. 5. The Bassa is a fine , although not perfect, touring motorcycle. Passenger seat really needs help. Drivers seat needs only slightly firmer padding. Bob --part1_54.7dd9335.26c497ba_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 20:04:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com (mailout1-0.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7B046805024 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from t1d4o4 (roc-204-210-135-141.rochester.rr.com [204.210.135.141]) by mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA20639 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006b01c00327$b0b2f560$8d87d2cc@rochester.rr.com> From: "David VFR Thompson" To: Subject: Protective Gear on a Budget Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:04:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Try this URL for leather gear at a VERY REASONABLE price. http://www.linkamerica.com/products.html This isn't "race quality" leather (as they clearly state). It is well made, the leather is of reasonable thickness & it's saved my skin once already. It came out scuffed, but still serviceable, where jeans or even the lighter weight nylon stuff would have been completely shredded ( I have comparative experience!). I have no interest in this outfit - just a satisfied customer. Also, these people are willing to deal if you do a group buy. I got my V-pilot pants via a group buy on the ST1100 list. The other URL to try is the Leather Exchange, right near list members in Takoma Park Md. They deal in used and close-out gear. http://members.aol.com/motorle/boots.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 22:18:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7B2I2807110 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-36.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.100]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA14914 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39938D50.8B38B9A2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:21:20 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protective Gear on a Budget References: <006b01c00327$b0b2f560$8d87d2cc@rochester.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would also add http://www.newenough.com if you're looking for leather gear (including race quality) at what are IMHO very reasonable prices (but not always cheap, depending on your budget). David VFR Thompson wrote: > > Try this URL for leather gear at a VERY REASONABLE price. > http://www.linkamerica.com/products.html > This isn't "race quality" leather (as they clearly state). It is well made, > the leather is of reasonable thickness & it's saved my skin once already. > It came out scuffed, but still serviceable, where jeans or even the lighter > weight nylon stuff would have been completely shredded ( I have comparative > experience!). > I have no interest in this outfit - just a satisfied customer. > Also, these people are willing to deal if you do a group buy. I got my > V-pilot pants via a group buy on the ST1100 list. > > The other URL to try is the Leather Exchange, right near list members in > Takoma Park Md. They deal in used and close-out gear. > http://members.aol.com/motorle/boots.html -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 22:19:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7B2Jf807120 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-36.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.100]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA07467; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39938DBA.38883A5B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:23:06 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MJordan666@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday's relaxed ride References: <46.91e16d9.26c48529@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael, It's Laura and Michell's ride so I'll let one of the two of them clue you in on all the details re the exact route. But FYI the ride leaves from the Java Shack in Arlington and we'll be going through Montgomery/Frederick Counties. Ending at Polly's Cafe on U St. NW in DC for brunch. Chuck MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > Is there a route sheet up yet? (or a probable route). > > I have this horrible problem making my motorcycle head east from here - it > thinks that I'm going to work :-( > > If this ride is heading westerly, perhaps there are intercept points? > > Michael J. > > P.S. In the line of relaxed rides, the Antietam club usually has absolutely > GREAT routes laid out for their poker runs. If anyone missed their > announcement to the list last Sunday, I'd be glad to forward it to you. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 23:22:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7B3Mk808087 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000811032244.BHJI2546.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:22:44 -0700 Message-ID: <03f501c00337$aa7bd260$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <006b01c00327$b0b2f560$8d87d2cc@rochester.rr.com> Subject: Beach Trip Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:58:37 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Is any one going to the Delaware or Maryland beaches on Saturday? I'm heading for Bethany early saturday morning and wouldn't mind some company if anyone else is heading in the same direction. One word of warning though, I'm still breaking my bike in so I'm limited to about 60 mph. James From dc-cycles-request Thu Aug 10 23:51:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net (relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net [38.9.152.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7B3pI808579 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13N5ql-00076g-00; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:51:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:48 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "harry@XXXXXX" Subject: good answers to bad questions Message-ID: <20000810234715288-11637761@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Subject: dumb cop questions >From: Harry Mantakos >Does anybody know why the police ask you these stupid questions >when they pull you over? What are the "right" answers? > - Do you know why I pulled you over? > - Do you know how fast you were going? > - Do you know what the speed limit is here? > - Any reason why you were going so fast? Here's the response to a discussion on at least one of 'em i got on a different list: That question "Do you know how fast you were going?" is a killer. >If you say no, you are showing your disdain of speed limits and >opening the door for the officer to name any speed he wants. If you >say yes and lie, say you were going slower than you really were, the >cop catches you in a lie. If you say "Yes, I was going 85 in a 55," >you've just admitted your guilt. i have an alternative. you can answer, "indicated, or actual?" see, bikes are notorious for having inaccurate speedos. but inaccurate which way? well, we all know that they're optimistic, but the LEO doesn't know that. soooo... you've got an instant out. you can say that since you know your speedo is optimistic by, say, 10%, you have to ryde it @ an indicated 80 just to keep up in a 70mph zone. when he says, "i clocked you @ 90," you could respond, "really? but i thought my speed was *optimistic*, are you saying it's *pessimistic*? or are you sure you really clocked *my* vehicle?" @ this point, you've just introduced the element of doubt. Don't ask me why I kept it. Someone else told me that if you get a speeding ticket. send it in w/ an extra dollar or so on the check. They'll have to refund it. When you get the refund toss it. Something about the system not putting points etc through til all transactions are resolved with the ticket. FWIW this was supposedly leaked by a contractor who worked on the systems in use by many states. Truth or internet legend? dunno, is it worth a $1 to try should you be unfortunate enough to have the chance. probly btw, why do you ask? R From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 00:16:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7B4GU808974 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16855; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:09:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: Rob Bell cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "harry@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: good answers to bad questions In-Reply-To: <20000810234715288-11637761@watsonwyatt.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Rob Bell wrote: > Someone else told me that if you get a speeding ticket. send it in w/ > an extra dollar or so on the check. They'll have to refund it. When > you get the refund toss it. Something about the system not putting > points etc through til all transactions are resolved with the ticket. > FWIW this was supposedly leaked by a contractor who worked on the > systems in use by many states. Truth or internet legend? dunno, is > it worth a $1 to try should you be unfortunate enough to have the > chance. probly Please see: http://www.snopes.com/spoons/faxlore/ticket.htm for further information on this hoax. As for the questions, I don't know WHY, but I know what works for me. Answer honestly, use "Sir" or Ma'am" when addressing the officer, and at least in VA, your CWP DOES seem to help get you a warning vs. a bona fide ticket (as long as my ex handed his over during a stop, he never got the ticket, go figure). Shannon -who tends to speed only in the car, and is anxiously awaiting her CWP in the mail. :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 00:30:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7B4UN809215 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA14380; Fri, 11 Aug 1972 00:35:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1972 00:35:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike shops in DC? In-Reply-To: <200008031841.e73If0800395@dirty.meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I do repairs on Japanese street bikes. Pretty much anything short of pulling/splitting the engine. Located near the Zoo, open by appointment. 202-234-9229. --garcia "I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather---not screaming in terror like his passengers." On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 Dsotm60273@XXXXXX wrote: > Hi all, > I've been in DC for a few months now and I need to get to a bike shop. Changed my oil about 2000 miles ago, need to do it again. Also could use some S100, etc. So does anyone know a good shop in the area that is open relatively late? I never get out of work before 4 (usually 5) and am in Arlington at work. Any ideas where I can go on the way home or after work? BTW I live on 17th st. > Thanks, > Tony > 99 Superhawk > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 07:10:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from kds1.kivex.com (kds1.kivex.com [208.213.150.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BBAB816820 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pc228.dialpool1.kivex.com [204.177.57.228]) by kds1.kivex.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA06221 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000811070051.007ea9b0@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:00:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisa Goddard Subject: Saturday'r ride In-Reply-To: <200008092300.e79N07Z09159@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Laura, Can you give me the details on Saturday's ride? I am in a class all day but will check email this evening. thanks! From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 08:09:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BC9b817686 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27171; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:09:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:09:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: Rob Bell cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "harry@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: good answers to bad questions In-Reply-To: <20000810234715288-11637761@watsonwyatt.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Someone else told me that if you get a speeding ticket. send it in w/ an extra > dollar or so on the check. They'll have to refund it. When you get the refund > toss it. Something about the system not putting points etc through til all > transactions are resolved with the ticket. FWIW this was supposedly leaked by a > contractor who worked on the systems in use by many states. Truth or internet > legend? dunno, is it worth a $1 to try should you be unfortunate enough to have > the chance. probly > Can we all say together now: "URBAN LEGEND!" If you want to really fight a speeding ticket or any other traffic related thing, get a lawyer who's familiar with the court you'll be going into. You'll most likely save money, long run, on insurance etc. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 08:27:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3601.mail.yahoo.com (web3601.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.96]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7BCRG818372 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000811122708.28411.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3601.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 05:27:08 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 05:27:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions To: Harry Mantakos , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I like these answers... Glenn --- Harry Mantakos wrote: > Does anybody know why the police ask you these > stupid questions > when they pull you over? What are the "right" > answers? > > - Do you know why I pulled you over? Cause your a fu**ing idiot and have nothing better to do? > - Do you know how fast you were going? Not fast enough cause you caught me, donut boy... > - Do you know what the speed limit is here? No and I really don't care, shouldn't you be getting another free meal from one of the local establishments, piggie? > - Any reason why you were going so fast? Yeah, your wife is in the car and I didn't want you to catch us... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 09:12:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BDCp819351 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:12:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Cc: "'doyin@XXXXXX'" Subject: ride sheets Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:12:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Do Yin wondered, "Anyone have good ride sheets they'd like to share? Anything in the Va or Md area is cool." IIRC, Colin had some ride sheets posted on his web page. But -- three sources for area maps are: #1: AAA Nation's Capital Area Map is pretty good. It covers out to Hancock, Gettysburg, Front Royal, Orange. Details are frustratingly absent, but for a one pager, it's excellent. #2 Delorme's map books rock for details. Sam's Club carries the books for $9.99 but only for the State the store is in. However, the College Park REI had all of their Delorme books marked down to $9-10 (I got the last NC book). Dunno if the Bailey's Crossroad store did the same or not -- but probably. #3 Maryland Department of Transportation sells county maps for ~$2 each. Look up their web page or stop by their Baltimore office. FWIW, none of the maps show that you'll have to ford a stream on Price Road in Frederick County or the extent of the gravel road outside of Waterford, VA. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 09:29:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BDTo819565 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:29:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200008110929.AA65936@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "'DC Cycles'" , Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Harleys Suck?? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mark Kitchell >>From Sonny Barger, THE Hells Angel: >But the most controversial part of the book comes when Barger utters the >biker equivalent of blasphemy: He denounces Harleys. "In terms of pure >workmanship, personally I don't like Harleys," he writes. "I ride them >because I'm in the club and that's the image, but if I could I would >seriously consider riding a Honda ST1100 or a BMW. . . . Japanese bikes >today are so much cheaper and better built." That's my favorite quote. My second favorite quote is: "Barger is sitting in his living room, watching himself on his giant-screen TV. It's a videotape of a book signing he did at a Harley dealership in San Diego. Apparently, Harley vendors don't mind that he mocked their bikes in the book. "They know they're junk," he explains." Another interesting point is that Barger says he doesn't have the guts to ride the bike he wants to- from http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/zforum/00/barger0719.htm "[Question from] Ivor Va: Why are Harleys so important to Hell's Angels? They suck at racing and technology wise they are poor at best. Sonny Barger: If you've read the book you'll know I agree. People aren't looking for the best technology, they're looking for the sound, not how miserable the ride is or how many times they have to fix it. I don't have the guts not to ride one." From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 09:34:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BDYA819657 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02493; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 2000081109335750:17308 ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:33:57 -0400 Message-ID: <3994014F.8C017FC2@mitretek.org> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:36:15 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Reply-To: krogish@XXXXXX Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lin_Tan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions References: <200008102010.e7AKAbO07893@dirtydog.meretrix.com> <012801c0030a$f70ec330$95a546a2@amsinc.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/11/2000 09:33:57 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/11/2000 09:33:58 AM, Serialize complete at 08/11/2000 09:33:58 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > As to the why were you going so fast, I've heard squirming and saying you > have to pee sometimes works. YMMV My sister was traveling on I-95 to my mom's house and had to pee REALLY bad, so she was flying down the highway at 82 and the cop pulls her over..... exit ramp within sight. She still got the ticket, even though she had to pee like crazy. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 09:41:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BDf6819739 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:41:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200008110941.AA5964170@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: dumb cop questions X-Mailer: Sounds Drew Carey - he does this great routine about how if he's paying for the ticket, he might as well get his money's worth. "Would you step back to my car please, sir." "No thanks, I'm comfortable here." Carey says especially if it's raining, he likes to wait in his own car. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 05:27:08 -0700 (PDT) >I like these answers... > >Glenn > >--- Harry Mantakos wrote: >> Does anybody know why the police ask you these >> stupid questions >> when they pull you over? What are the "right" >> answers? >> >> - Do you know why I pulled you over? > >Cause your a fu**ing idiot and have nothing better to >do? > >> - Do you know how fast you were going? > >Not fast enough cause you caught me, donut boy... > >> - Do you know what the speed limit is here? > >No and I really don't care, shouldn't you be getting >another free meal from one of the local >establishments, piggie? > >> - Any reason why you were going so fast? > >Yeah, your wife is in the car and I didn't want you to >catch us... > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. >http://invites.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 09:46:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7BDka819894 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 11285 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2000 06:46:28 -0700 Received: from PPPa91-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.248) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2000 06:46:28 -0700 X-Sent: 11 Aug 2000 13:46:28 GMT Message-ID: <004301c0039b$c22b3680$f87c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Tomorrow's relaxed ride Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:55:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 See you all tomorrow at 9:30 at the Java Shack in Arlington (if anyone needs directions to there, write Chuck). Looks like it's going to be a good turnout, and we've even got some new ones coming out on the ride! Yea! If the weather doesn't cooperate (which it should be fine) I'll post to the list early in the morning whether we're still meeting or not. I'm off to go boating for the day! Have a good one. :-) Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 09:50:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BDoH819987 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03412; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 2000081109493433:17479 ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:49:34 -0400 Message-ID: <399404F8.C0D327BB@mitretek.org> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:51:52 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Reply-To: krogish@XXXXXX Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tansey CC: Rob Bell , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "harry@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: good answers to bad questions References: X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/11/2000 09:49:34 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/11/2000 09:49:39 AM, Serialize complete at 08/11/2000 09:49:39 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Am I dumb? Must be.... what is "CWP"???? > Answer honestly, use "Sir" or Ma'am" when addressing the officer, and > at least in VA, your CWP DOES seem to help get you a warning vs. a bona > fide ticket (as long as my ex handed his over during a stop, he never got > the ticket, go figure). From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 10:08:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pg.cc.md.us (mail.pg.cc.md.us [204.91.230.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7BE8J820424 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bnafh ([10.3.4.121]) by pg.cc.md.us; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:06:06 -0400 From: "Brad Faas" To: Cc: Subject: RE: good answers to bad questions Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:05:47 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <399404F8.C0D327BB@mitretek.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 CWP = Concealed Weapons Permit Hmmm, do I smell a gun thread? :-) (ducking) Brad WERA #980 Big pile of parts, but no bike -----Original Message----- From: Kristina M. Rogish [mailto:krogish@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 9:52 AM To: Tansey Cc: Rob Bell; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; harry@XXXXXX Subject: Re: good answers to bad questions Am I dumb? Must be.... what is "CWP"???? > Answer honestly, use "Sir" or Ma'am" when addressing the officer, and > at least in VA, your CWP DOES seem to help get you a warning vs. a bona > fide ticket (as long as my ex handed his over during a stop, he never got > the ticket, go figure). From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 10:08:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BE8f820436 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-245.s245.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.245]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13NFUE-0006Yd-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:08:38 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: stolen gear - cross post Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:13:54 GMT Message-ID: <399532e1.567544765@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7BE8g820437 up . . . up & away r6lady (F/Washington, DC) 8/10/00 3:40 am Hey now . . . I went to Chesapeake Beach (yes, Calvert County) on Monday, and someone stole my Shoei helmet, Olympia gloves, & First Gear leather jacket off my bike . . . so, if you see my gear in the street on an able body or for sale, keep your eyes open & beat um down for me! Is that the American way or what?! (my helmet has the USA flag on it) R6 Lady From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 10:12:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BECi820578 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-245.s245.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.245]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13NFY9-00075P-00; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:12:41 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Cc: Subject: Re: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:17:57 GMT Message-ID: <399634ca.568033675@smtp.erols.com> References: <001201c002f6$6dac6980$770810ac@cedric> In-Reply-To: <001201c002f6$6dac6980$770810ac@cedric> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7BECl820579 I'd file a lawsuit against prorgressive... there is a certain legality that says contracts can't be so vague or overtly wordy that it hides little things that gives the honest consumer the shaft. A judge would know what full coverage should reasonable entail, and I would think a jury would be sympathetic as well. after all the law is there to protect the little guy. Daniel |>That sucks. Were they in a garage? If not, don't mention it. Someone I |>know found out at the wrong time that Progressive only wrote policies on |>garaged bikes in his zip code; screaming didn't help, although he definitely |>tried. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 10:14:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BEEX820630 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-245.s245.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.245]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13NFZm-0007IG-00; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:14:22 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: MJordan666@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stolen Bikes and Insurance Info. Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:19:39 GMT Message-ID: <3997356c.568195985@smtp.erols.com> References: <38.9e39334.26c48297@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <38.9e39334.26c48297@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7BEEj820631 Hmm I never thought about insurance replacing bent wheels... but how much would it cause my rate to go up when i go to renew my policy next year? My wheel isnt' bent that bad, I think i'll just leave it alone, and if i really crash my bike, then i'll throw that in with the claim. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 10:25:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BEPB820904 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-245.s245.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.245]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13NFk6-0000og-00; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:25:02 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Harry Mantakos Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:30:19 GMT Message-ID: <399835bf.568279025@smtp.erols.com> References: <200008102010.e7AKAbO07893@dirtydog.meretrix.com> In-Reply-To: <200008102010.e7AKAbO07893@dirtydog.meretrix.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7BEPI820911 |> - Do you know why I pulled you over? You saw me put the dope and the gun in the glove box when I saw you? just kidding! I think a decent answer would be "not exactly sir". This kind of doesn't lock him into giving you a certain ticket. He might decide to give you some penny-anti ticket if he feels your a swell guy. |> - Do you know how fast you were going? my answer is "yes". That's not exactly a confession. |> - Do you know what the speed limit is here? I would try to go with the "yes" again for that one. the cops tend to ask you those two and give you a ticket if you are the kind of person who is driving a long not knowing how fast youa re the speed limit is.. plus it supports their case that you didnt' know anything, nullifying your testimony. If they ask exactly "what" those speeds are, I think it might be wise to say something like, "i'm not sure if i should answer, a lawyer might tell me not to answer, so I'll respectfully decline to answer sir, and i definitely am not trying to give you a hard time sir. Just want to let you do your job tonight" |> - Any reason why you were going so fast? I have used the "I've got to use the bathroom" and then gotten the response "is that worth getting a ticket?" and I think I said "no mam" (yes it was a female).. and inside i was thinking "hell yeah, i'd rather get a ticket than shit on myself" but the truth is i was lying about having to use the bathroom. So anyway, she asks to search my car, open my trunk or whatever.. and I say "well I dont' have anything to hide or be found so I wouldn't want to waste your time, but if you stilll wanna look ok". and she aksed me to pop her trunk, i did, she took a quick look, and let me go without a ticket. also told me i needed an inspection sticker.. i had VA tags at the time. Oh yeah and she told me to get my shocks fixed cuz i was boncing a little. (ok a lot) Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, but I figured if i did this time, I might not get a ticket. I was right. it was a u.s. park police officer on the b/w parkway. Daniel FWIW From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 10:35:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BEZH821178 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-245.s245.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.245]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13NFtx-0002If-00; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:35:13 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dysart@XXXXXX Cc: Harry Mantakos , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:40:29 GMT Message-ID: <399b39c3.569306410@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000811122708.28411.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000811122708.28411.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7BEZq821185 |>I like these answers... |> |>Glenn I was riding down the road one day and a cop pulls me over. He says what's the hurry. I say i'm late for an apointment to stretch out an anus... and he says "stretch out an anus sir?" and I go yeah.. first i start with 2 inches, then 3, then 4, until i get to 6 feet!!! And do you know what you do with a 6 foot anus? You put him on the side of the road with a donut and a radar gun! Daniel ok it didn't really happen, its' a joe pesci joke From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 10:40:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BEeD821255 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-245.s245.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.245]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13NFyl-0002ya-00; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:40:11 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tansey Cc: Rob Bell , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "harry@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: good answers to bad questions Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:45:27 GMT Message-ID: <399c3b61.569721300@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7BEeF821257 On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:09:32 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: |>Shannon |>-who tends to speed only in the car, and is anxiously awaiting her |>CWP in the mail. :) I'm the opposite, on the bike and only on the bike. Speeding on a bike is like dating a woman... speeding in a car is like a teenager having a crush on you.. and its' just not the real thing. : ) Daniel Ride like I don't want ot see the cops, and drive like there is one tailing me home From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 10:47:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7BEli821507 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000811144736.27555.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.177] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:47:36 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:47:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dumb cop questions To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, but I > figured if i did > this time, I might not get a ticket. this is a joke, right? if you answer 'no' to the search request, you've supplied the police with all the suspicion they need to then execute a vehicle search without your consent -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 10:53:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BErQ821645 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05227; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 2000081110494459:17746 ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:49:44 -0400 Message-ID: <3994130E.4DCA4DA4@mitretek.org> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:51:58 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Reply-To: krogish@XXXXXX Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Reazor CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Beach Trip References: <006b01c00327$b0b2f560$8d87d2cc@rochester.rr.com> <03f501c00337$aa7bd260$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/11/2000 10:49:46 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/11/2000 10:49:51 AM, Serialize complete at 08/11/2000 10:49:51 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm planning on hitting the road for Dewey Beach on Saturday AM, hopefully after a brief social-stint at the Java Shack (hmmm, caffeine!). You're welcome to meet up with me there at 9:30 and hit the road with me, but I don't know that I can keep my speed down to 60mph, esp. not on Route 50.... you'll get squashed and killed at that low speed. Chris Weaver..... you heading out this weekend too? What time are you leaving Sunday to come back? I would like to leave mid-late afternoon... just have to be in Gaithersburg by 9pm-ish to cheer on my indoor team. James Reazor wrote: > Is any one going to the Delaware or Maryland beaches on Saturday? I'm > heading for Bethany early saturday morning and wouldn't mind some company if > anyone else is heading in the same direction. One word of warning though, > I'm still breaking my bike in so I'm limited to about 60 mph. > > James From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 10:58:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BEwv821741 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32009 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:58:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:58:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions In-Reply-To: <20000811144736.27555.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, but I > > figured if i did > > this time, I might not get a ticket. > > this is a joke, right? if you answer 'no' to the > search request, you've supplied the police with all > the suspicion they need to then execute a vehicle > search without your consent > Whats the right answer then? Even if I don't have anything to hide, and I trust that the cops aren't going to plant something, what if I don't want to have my car searched? Yes, you can search it, right after my lawyer shows up? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 11:10:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7BFAl821906 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000811151029.9420.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.177] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:10:29 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:10:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dumb cop questions To: Dan Brown , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dan Brown wrote: > > > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, but > > > I figured if i did > > > this time, I might not get a ticket. > > > > this is a joke, right? if you answer 'no' to the > > search request, you've supplied the police with > > all the suspicion they need to then execute a > > vehicle search without your consent > > > > Whats the right answer then? there is no right answer....if there was something about you that made the officer want to search the vehicle, and you back up this suspicion by denying him the opportunity, you are SOL > Even if I don't have anything to hide, > and I trust that the cops aren't going to plant > something, what if I > don't want to have my car searched? as i said in an earlier post....you as a citizen have chosen to drive on the highways in a mobile evidence carrier and you have a lesser expectation of privacy because of it if you don't want your vehicle searched, don't drive it on the highways hey....i know it sucks. the key to excluding evidence obtained is to show that there was no cause for suspicion in the first place (saying 'no' to a search is (imo) downright idiotic....so hide the shit well, OK? ;) > Yes, you can search it, right after my lawyer shows > up? why have a lawyer show up? to observe the search? your 5th amendment right against compelled self-incrimination does not apply to physical evidence obtained in a lawful search -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 11:13:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BFDH821986 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA1030881 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399417F0.15179B33@radix.net> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:12:48 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions References: <20000811144736.27555.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, but I > > figured if i did > > this time, I might not get a ticket. > > this is a joke, right? Not at all. Basically speaking, if you're *asked* for permission to search your car, there isn't sufficient probable cause for a search. Without probable cause or permission, they cannot legally search. > if you answer 'no' to the > search request, you've supplied the police with all > the suspicion they need to then execute a vehicle > search without your consent No, there has to be immediately suspicious content in/on the vehicle. Generally, when you refuse permission to search 2 things happen 1: cop immediately calls for more cops in order to intimidate you. When they arrive, they threaten to impound your vehicle, arrest you, & try general bullying tactics to get your consent. 2: you will get no warning & you most certainly WILL get some sort of ticket, even if they had nothing to stop you for, period. However, all you have to do is ask 'Am I free to go now?' - at that point, if you have not granted permission to search (you must have refused), AND there is no probable cause to suspect you of a crime other than the infraction for which you were detained, they must release you immediately, or be in violation of your civil rights ; unreasonable search & seizure - a criminal violation in which sovereign immunity is waived (they have no protection under the sovereign immunity clause). Most cops simply aren't willing to risk actually having to spend time in the klink themselves... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 12:15:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BGF2823240 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA28375; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:38:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , "James Reazor" Cc: Subject: RE: Beach Trip Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:42:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3994130E.4DCA4DA4@mitretek.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal For the record, I will not be going to the beach this weekend. I would respond to idividuals about this, but there have been a few folks on the list who have asked me recently. I'm putting up a new website for my company and will probably be working most of the weekend. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Kristina M. Rogish [mailto:krogish@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 7:52 AM To: James Reazor Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Beach Trip I'm planning on hitting the road for Dewey Beach on Saturday AM, hopefully after a brief social-stint at the Java Shack (hmmm, caffeine!). You're welcome to meet up with me there at 9:30 and hit the road with me, but I don't know that I can keep my speed down to 60mph, esp. not on Route 50.... you'll get squashed and killed at that low speed. Chris Weaver..... you heading out this weekend too? What time are you leaving Sunday to come back? I would like to leave mid-late afternoon... just have to be in Gaithersburg by 9pm-ish to cheer on my indoor team. James Reazor wrote: > Is any one going to the Delaware or Maryland beaches on Saturday? I'm > heading for Bethany early saturday morning and wouldn't mind some company if > anyone else is heading in the same direction. One word of warning though, > I'm still breaking my bike in so I'm limited to about 60 mph. > > James From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 13:14:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7BHEW824141 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000811171425.4240.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.189] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:14:25 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:14:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dumb cop questions To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, but > > > I figured if i did > > > this time, I might not get a ticket. > > > > this is a joke, right? > > Not at all. Basically speaking, if you're > *asked* for permission to > search your car, there isn't sufficient probable > cause for a search. > Without probable cause or permission, they cannot > legally search. actually, the police have the IMMEDIATE right to search the entire passenger compartment of the vehicle to make a determination if there is a weapon within the driver's 'wingspan' additionally, while there may be a need for full blown probable cause to search the trunk of the vehicle, there is NOT a need for probable cause to search the interior. as i stated recently, this is one of law enforcement's greatest weapons against the drug trade > > if you answer 'no' to the > > search request, you've supplied the police with > > all > > the suspicion they need to then execute a vehicle > > search without your consent > > No, there has to be immediately suspicious content > in/on the vehicle. and you have therefore contradicted your earlier statement that probable cause is required. a reasonable articulable suspicion is a lower standard than probable cause. > Generally, when you refuse permission to search 2 > things happen 1: cop > immediately calls for more cops in order to > intimidate you. When they > arrive, they threaten to impound your vehicle, > arrest you, & try general > bullying tactics to get your consent. 2: you will > get no warning & you > most certainly WILL get some sort of ticket, even if > they had nothing to > stop you for, period. > However, all you have to do is ask 'Am I free to go > now?' - at that > point, if you have not granted permission to search > (you must have > refused), AND there is no probable cause to suspect > you of a crime other > than the infraction for which you were detained, > they must release you > immediately, or be in violation of your civil rights > ; unreasonable > search & seizure - a criminal violation in which > sovereign immunity is > waived (they have no protection under the sovereign > immunity clause). you are mostly correct here....a suspect should certainly ask to leave at this point, and police refusal without a valid basis does amount to a 'seizure' of the person and perhaps a false imprisonment claim re: sovereign immunity....i've seen you bring this up before in another unrelated thread. i'm sure it has very little impact on officers' actions. all this does is allow citizens to sue the state (in addition to the arresting officer). it creates a deep pocket to collect from. i really don't see the connection here. > Most cops simply aren't willing to risk actually > having to spend time in > the klink themselves... you can always sue the individual actor -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 13:19:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BHJU824238 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13NISF-0002tT-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:18:47 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:19:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions In-Reply-To: <20000811144736.27555.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, but I > > figured if i did > > this time, I might not get a ticket. > > this is a joke, right? if you answer 'no' to the > search request, you've supplied the police with all > the suspicion they need to then execute a vehicle > search without your consent I hope it's not a joke. According to various cops I've spoken with they only ask if they don't have probable cause and NO is the correct answer. I believe it has something to do with what's left of the Bill of Rights or somesuch. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 14:03:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BI3m824945 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA1061383 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39943FF3.E287CA5@radix.net> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:03:31 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions References: <20000811171425.4240.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > > actually, the police have the IMMEDIATE right to > search the entire passenger compartment of the vehicle > to make a determination if there is a weapon within > the driver's 'wingspan' They may observe the immediately visible area ( shine a flashlight in your windows, but otherwise cannot enter the vehicle without cause or permission, period. Weapon should be clarified, as any item that could possibly be used as a weapon, but the immediate perusal of your vehicle is limited to what the officer can see without intrusion into the vehicle. > > additionally, while there may be a need for full blown > probable cause to search the trunk of the vehicle, > there is NOT a need for probable cause to search the > interior. as i stated recently, this is one of law > enforcement's greatest weapons against the drug trade Yes, there is, but if you do not ask 'am I free to go' , courts across the land have upheld that you have by omission waived your right against unreasonable search and seizure - just as in court, if you do not assert right, privilege, or precedent, or otherwise make no argument, you can be convicted without grounds for appeal... > and you have therefore contradicted your earlier > statement that probable cause is required. a > reasonable articulable suspicion is a lower standard > than probable cause. Not sure I understand the contradiction ; suspicion is good enough for a cop to make a traffic stop, but not to search a vehicle or person. let's say you're stopped, your car cabin is empty, but for you - Since there's no reason for the officer to suspect you of criminal wrongdoing, & nothing to indicate you're in possession of anything illegal then unless you grant the guy permission to search, he has no probable cause. If he's inclined to search for suspicion, likely he'll ask 'do you mind if I search your vehicle' or he'll phrase it more forcefully as to bully you into allowing him. If they ask, they have no cause. If you respond, no, you may not, am I free to go, it's time for him to $hit or get off the pot & either arrest you & roll the dice or let you go. > you are mostly correct here....a suspect should > certainly ask to leave at this point, and police > refusal without a valid basis does amount to a > 'seizure' of the person and perhaps a false > imprisonment claim it's also a violation of your civil rights. > > re: sovereign immunity....i've seen you bring this up > before in another unrelated thread. i'm sure it has > very little impact on officers' actions. all this > does is allow citizens to sue the state (in addition > to the arresting officer). it creates a deep pocket > to collect from. i really don't see the connection > here. it also protects from criminal prosecution of a 'state' official in certain aspects. cops are trained very well to know what they can get away with & what not - don't sell them short. > > you can always sue the individual actor Not unless they've themselves committed a criminal act, & the 'state' waives sovereign immunity. Just read the Va. code Monday & came across this. Can't quote it, but that's the gist of it. This is way off cycle topic ; if you wish to discuss further, we should keep this off list. out of here now, have a good weekend. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 14:16:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BIFw825198 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:15:12 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86E9@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Dave Yates'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dumb cop questions Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:06:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Dave, this is great information. Question, if he asks to search my car, trunk, etc and I say no, what can he do next? If he doesn't have cause to search, how can he have cause to arrest? Does he need to get a warrant to search? Thanks Mark > Not sure I understand the contradiction ; suspicion is good enough > for > a cop to make a traffic stop, but not to search a vehicle or person. > let's say you're stopped, your car cabin is empty, but for you - Since > there's no reason for the officer to suspect you of criminal wrongdoing, > & nothing to indicate you're in possession of anything illegal then > unless you grant the guy permission to search, he has no probable > cause. If he's inclined to search for suspicion, likely he'll ask 'do > you mind if I search your vehicle' or he'll phrase it more forcefully as > to bully you into allowing him. If they ask, they have no cause. If > you respond, no, you may not, am I free to go, it's time for him to $hit > or get off the pot & either arrest you & roll the dice or let you > go. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 14:23:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BINK825284 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:22:44 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86EA@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Saturday Ride Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:13:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Laura, Chuck et al... Sorry I will not be at the group ride. Denny still has my bike in the shop, replacing the clutch. Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 14:30:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BIUB825446 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-45.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.109]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05115; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399471B5.5E1F3845@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:35:49 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Rob Keiser , lgranato@XXXXXX, michelle.kaston@XXXXXX Subject: Directions to The Java Shack Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you planning to do tomorrow's relaxed ride led by Laura and Michelle and supported by me and Rob, here are the directions to The Java Shack http://www.javashack.com in Arlington, VA. The Java Shack is located at 2507 N. Franklin St., (703) 527-9556, at the 3-way intersection of Wilson Blvd., N. Barton St., and N. Franklin St., next door to Mr. Tire. A. From DC coming over Key Bridge: 1. Come into Rosslyn and turn right on Lee Hwy. (should be the first traffic light) 2. Turn left on N. Veitch St. (4-way intersection w/traffic light, Bergmann's Cleaners on the right) 3. Turn right on Wilson Blvd. (first traffic light) 4. The 3-way intersection of Wilson Blvd., N. Barton St., and N. Franklin St. is the next light 5. You will want to make a 45-degree right onto N. Franklin St. B. From DC via Roosevelt Bridge/I-66: 1. Take the Lee Hwy. exit 2. Go straight on Lee Hwy. 3. Follow directions from A @ 2 C. From Crystal City via 110: 1. Come into Rosslyn and onto Wilson Blvd. 2. Go straight on Wilson Blvd. until you reach the 3-way intersection of Wilson Blvd., N. Barton St., and N. Franklin St. D. From Old Town via GWP: 1. Take Spout Run exit 2. Turn left on Lee Hwy. (4-way intersection w/traffic light, shopping center w/Giant on right) 3. Turn right on N. Veitch St. (4-way intersection w/traffic light, Bergmann's Cleaners on left) 4. Follow directions from A @ 3 E. From I-66 coming east into DC: 1. Take Lee Hwy. exit 2. Turn right onto Lee Hwy. 3. Follow directions from D @ 3 F. From I-395 northbound: 1. Take Washington Blvd. exit 2. Take Route 50 east (towards DC) exit and move into far left lane 3. Turn left on N. Pershing Dr. (first traffic light) 4. Turn right on N. Barton St. (first right) 5. Stay on N. Barton St. until you get to Wilson Blvd. (should be 3rd traffic light) -- you'll see Mr. Tire and The Java Shack across the street I think that covers most of the likely approach corridors. I've tried to give the easiest directions, not necessarily the fastest way there. If in doubt, consult a map! Chuck From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 15:03:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7BJ3b825922 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000811190329.27753.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.189] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:03:29 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:03:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dumb cop questions To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > and you have therefore contradicted your earlier > > statement that probable cause is required. a > > reasonable articulable suspicion is a lower > > standard than probable cause. > > Not sure I understand the contradiction ; > suspicion is good enough for > a cop to make a traffic stop, but not to search a > vehicle or person. > let's say you're stopped, your car cabin is empty, > but for you - Since > there's no reason for the officer to suspect you of > criminal wrongdoing, > & nothing to indicate you're in possession of > anything illegal then > unless you grant the guy permission to search, he > has no probable cause. ahhh.....but even if your car is empty and you are alone, there may be plenty of reasons for the police to suspect you of criminal wrongdoing. take daniel for instance (he did, after all, bring up the topic and it is his angle that i was observing things from) ... from the sound of it, he has had his share of run-ins with the law (read: possible warrants or name recognition by police or dispatch); he has expressed that he would be inclined to say 'no' to a search request; he is young, perhaps angry or nervous, perhaps stinking of smoke of some sort, etc. The standard that is used to judge probable cause or reasonable suspicion is a 'totality of the circumstances' standard. add up all the info available to a cop and its pretty damn easy to meet the applicable standard (and often justifiable to a neutral factfinder later especially when the search produces contraband). note: it sounds as though we agree on the basics, but i'm looking at things from the perspective of someone who has something to hide, while you are looking at things from the perspective from someone who has nothing to hide but doesn't want to deal with the delay i think our daniel fits (sometimes) in the former group! ;) > > you are mostly correct here....a suspect should > > certainly ask to leave at this point, and police > > refusal without a valid basis does amount to a > > 'seizure' of the person and perhaps a false > > imprisonment claim > > it's also a violation of your civil rights. that's what i implied....a seizure of a person without justification is a violation > > re: sovereign immunity....i've seen you bring this > > up before in another unrelated thread. i'm sure it > > has very little impact on officers' actions. all > > this does is allow citizens to sue the state (in > > addition to the arresting officer). it creates a > > deep pocket to collect from. i really don't see > > the connection here. > > it also protects from criminal prosecution of a > 'state' official in certain aspects. cops are > trained very well to know what they can get > away with & what not - don't sell them short. i would never underestimate the shady tactics of the police, but.... > > you can always sue the individual actor > > not unless they've themselves committed a > criminal act, & the 'state' waives sovereign > immunity. well, my statement was obviously (i think) made in the context of a situation in which an allegedly criminal act had in fact been made by the state official. dave, i'm no expert here, but it seems to me that sovereign immunity has been waived in most, if not all instances in which a state official has deprived a citizen of 14th amendment rights under color of law. > Just read the Va. code Monday & came across > this. Can't quote it, but that's the gist of it. i don't doubt it (and if you haven't noticed i'm referring to u.s. constitutional law rather than any particular state)....i just think it is not relevant here because immunity has been waived in this context > This is way off cycle topic ; if you wish to discuss > further, we should keep this off list. i notice that we have recently been approved by the Kitchell Content Control Board (shit...i thought Chris Weaver headed the unit ;)...so i think we're fine > out of here now, have a good weekend. you too....but what i want to know is why a techie knows so damn much about the law! please clue us in -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 15:06:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7BJ6G826004 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000811190604.2185.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.189] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:06:04 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:06:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: dumb cop questions To: "Ledford, Calvin" , Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii and u.s. const. law says that every bit of the passenger compartment of the vehicle is 'within the reach' of the occupant.....just not the trunk --- "Ledford, Calvin" wrote: > As a former LEO I was trained that a police officer > can search ONLY the area > in the passenger compartment that is within *reach* > of the occupants. > > > > -Calvin > '00VFR800FI > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 1:14 PM > To: Dave Yates > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: dumb cop questions > > > --- Dave Yates wrote: > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > > Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, > but > > > > I figured if i did > > > > this time, I might not get a ticket. > > > > > > this is a joke, right? > > > > Not at all. Basically speaking, if you're > > *asked* for permission to > > search your car, there isn't sufficient probable > > cause for a search. > > Without probable cause or permission, they cannot > > legally search. > > actually, the police have the IMMEDIATE right to > search the entire passenger compartment of the > vehicle > to make a determination if there is a weapon within > the driver's 'wingspan' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 15:25:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BJPK826281 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-32 #43876) with ESMTP id <0FZ500CJZ5THML@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <36R3KTGR>; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:54:14 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:53:34 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: dumb cop questions To: "'Tom Gimer'" , Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC6800F9AC7@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As a former LEO I was trained that a police officer can search ONLY the area in the passenger compartment that is within *reach* of the occupants. -Calvin '00VFR800FI -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 1:14 PM To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions --- Dave Yates wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, but > > > I figured if i did > > > this time, I might not get a ticket. > > > > this is a joke, right? > > Not at all. Basically speaking, if you're > *asked* for permission to > search your car, there isn't sufficient probable > cause for a search. > Without probable cause or permission, they cannot > legally search. actually, the police have the IMMEDIATE right to search the entire passenger compartment of the vehicle to make a determination if there is a weapon within the driver's 'wingspan' additionally, while there may be a need for full blown probable cause to search the trunk of the vehicle, there is NOT a need for probable cause to search the interior. as i stated recently, this is one of law enforcement's greatest weapons against the drug trade > > if you answer 'no' to the > > search request, you've supplied the police with > > all > > the suspicion they need to then execute a vehicle > > search without your consent > > No, there has to be immediately suspicious content > in/on the vehicle. and you have therefore contradicted your earlier statement that probable cause is required. a reasonable articulable suspicion is a lower standard than probable cause. > Generally, when you refuse permission to search 2 > things happen 1: cop > immediately calls for more cops in order to > intimidate you. When they > arrive, they threaten to impound your vehicle, > arrest you, & try general > bullying tactics to get your consent. 2: you will > get no warning & you > most certainly WILL get some sort of ticket, even if > they had nothing to > stop you for, period. > However, all you have to do is ask 'Am I free to go > now?' - at that > point, if you have not granted permission to search > (you must have > refused), AND there is no probable cause to suspect > you of a crime other > than the infraction for which you were detained, > they must release you > immediately, or be in violation of your civil rights > ; unreasonable > search & seizure - a criminal violation in which > sovereign immunity is > waived (they have no protection under the sovereign > immunity clause). you are mostly correct here....a suspect should certainly ask to leave at this point, and police refusal without a valid basis does amount to a 'seizure' of the person and perhaps a false imprisonment claim re: sovereign immunity....i've seen you bring this up before in another unrelated thread. i'm sure it has very little impact on officers' actions. all this does is allow citizens to sue the state (in addition to the arresting officer). it creates a deep pocket to collect from. i really don't see the connection here. > Most cops simply aren't willing to risk actually > having to spend time in > the klink themselves... you can always sue the individual actor -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 16:52:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BKq5827770 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-188.patriot.net [209.249.180.188]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7BKoK104135; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:50:21 -0400 Message-ID: <39946525.CC9BE584@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:42:13 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Dan Brown , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions References: <20000811151029.9420.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mine was searched in NJ a few decades ago. "probable cause" consisted on me being a teen with an attitude and driving a hot rodish machine. Having nothing to hide I said knock yourself out, dude. Cop couldn't get the triunk open - seems the *decked* car didn't have a trunk lock visible. Like duh - forgot how to get into sez TWA (me). That worked really well. I sat on ass for over an hour while cop got a real live search warrent from a judge. When cop produced a crowbar I miraculously remembered the cleverly hidden trunk release knob. Man, was cop pissed when all he found was tools. Problem was every frigging time I cruised thru that NJ burg I got stopped and yanked around. Lesson learned, can the attitude... Bill Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Dan Brown wrote: > > > > > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > > Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, but > > > > I figured if i did > > > > this time, I might not get a ticket. > > > > > > this is a joke, right? if you answer 'no' to the > > > search request, you've supplied the police with > > > all the suspicion they need to then execute a > > > vehicle search without your consent > > > > > > > Whats the right answer then? > > there is no right answer....if there was something > about you that made the officer want to search the > vehicle, and you back up this suspicion by denying him > the opportunity, you are SOL > > > Even if I don't have anything to hide, > > and I trust that the cops aren't going to plant > > something, what if I > > don't want to have my car searched? > > as i said in an earlier post....you as a citizen have > chosen to drive on the highways in a mobile evidence > carrier and you have a lesser expectation of privacy > because of it > > if you don't want your vehicle searched, don't drive > it on the highways > > hey....i know it sucks. the key to excluding evidence > obtained is to show that there was no cause for > suspicion in the first place (saying 'no' to a search > is (imo) downright idiotic....so hide the shit well, > OK? ;) > > > Yes, you can search it, right after my lawyer shows > > up? > > why have a lawyer show up? to observe the search? > your 5th amendment right against compelled > self-incrimination does not apply to physical evidence > obtained in a lawful search > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 16:55:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BKtk827815 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-188.patriot.net [209.249.180.188]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7BKtf104786; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:55:42 -0400 Message-ID: <39946666.E9BA9B2A@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:47:34 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86EA@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Make sure he tightens all the important nuts :-) One unplugged alternator feed, one spit off camsahft nut, one lost sidecover bolt, caught the other one before it littered the road. Bill Mark Kitchell wrote: > Laura, Chuck et al... > > Sorry I will not be at the group ride. Denny still has my bike in the shop, > replacing the clutch. > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 18:34:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BMY8829357 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-113.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.113]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA04051 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:34:01 -0400 Posted-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:34:01 -0400 Message-ID: <00f901c003e4$2a9357a0$e0a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Discounted tools Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:31:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Happened to stop by the Prime Outlets shops (10min east of Bay Bridge in the 301/50 fork) today and came upon a large tent (on the Rte 50 side) discounting all kinds of auto and home tools -- mostly generic but in seemingly original packaging. Offhand they appeared to be 50% or more below retail and included such major items as floor jacks, dent removers, dollies, hoists, plus a wide, unusual variety of hand tools, electrical gear and workbench items of all kinds (though not a lot of small power tools). Think of a Sears non-Craftsman fire sale. While my apartment precludes much more than pliers and sockets, I did pick up a 25-key metric/SAE allen wrench set for $4 and a paintbrush and other little things for $1 apiece. This may not be the only place of this type around, and I don't recall seeing any brand names. But I felt it too interesting for those with a workbench shopping list to go unmentioned. They say they've been there for a few months and will be there as well as other new places in the future: They were too busy to ask the other obvious questions about sources, warranties, etc. Unfortunately their card (they are part of an Eastern Shore store operation) must have been swept away by the mighty hurricane of my 750's slipstream, but the Prime Outlets' office phone is 410 827 8699 which may help if hours, etc. are needed. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> How about bargain brandname gasoline? Huh? Huh? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 18:51:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BMp0829666 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-113.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.113]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA04829 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:50:55 -0400 Posted-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:50:55 -0400 Message-ID: <010101c003e6$81959840$e0a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: 1/2 inch -- 30 min -- shy of an oops Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:50:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 The relatively cool weather is NOT a reason to ignore that noontime sunpower -- frying-egg pavement temps crept up on me today and I rescued my bike from a kickstand grave in what seemed to be the nick of time. And only hours before I'd used my plastic footpad for a gravelly park. Timing is everything. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Kickstand/quicksand no good either Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 19:00:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BMxx829756 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-113.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.113]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA05169 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:59:55 -0400 Posted-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:59:55 -0400 Message-ID: <010e01c003e7$c102f8a0$e0a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Discounted tools (found merchant name) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:59:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_010B_01C003C6.39497FE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010B_01C003C6.39497FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The merchant's name is Marino's Tools & Car Audio. The card says they = have stores in Dover DE 302 734 2928 and Laurel DE 302 875 9527 along = with the TentSale in Queenstown Outlets. =20 Bill ------=_NextPart_000_010B_01C003C6.39497FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The merchant's name is Marino's Tools & Car = Audio. =20 The card says they have stores in Dover DE 302 734 2928 and Laurel DE = 302 875=20 9527 along with the TentSale in Queenstown Outlets.   =
 
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------=_NextPart_000_010B_01C003C6.39497FE0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 19:27:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BNRi800365 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-245.s245.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.245]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13NODE-0006cr-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:27:41 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions - OT - long profane rant don't read unless you're bored LOL Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:32:40 GMT Message-ID: <3994abc0.598492569@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000811190604.2185.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000811190604.2185.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7BNRw800366 uh I know this is off topic, but i think it's very educational. Not to mention it could apply to the compartments of motorcycles! :) (on topic now?) I hope that it won't be toooo private. Uh yeah, i've had my run ins with the law.. not because i was a menace to society, but because I lived in a bad neighborhood, was a teen, and the cops assume every kid is a crook. A cop once pulled me over driving my mother to work,for no reason, "just to check and see if everything was legitimate".. after he ran things through he gave my liscense back and said some bullshit about "just doing my job, you know I have to assume everyone is guilty" (or did he say suspect)... and I was thinking yeah dickhead.. you might want to wait for a crime to happen you stupid piece of shit. just what crime do you think i'm perpetrating with my MOTHER here in the passenger seat without so much as moving voilation occuring, yet you're pulling me over. I do tend recall a case where a judge ruled that an officer had no right to stop an individual who walked down the street yet constantly kept looking back at the police. the officer found a handgun but the case was thrown out of court... so I would like cops to stop me, IF a crime is occuring, otherwise leave me the f#@ck alone. They tend to ask stupid questions too.. like"where do you work".. as if that has anything to do with anything.. "why you looking for a job? you sure are a sorry ass cop!" lol.. hell no i didn't say that, i'm too damn scrawney and cops do kick kids asses.. Sometimes I just answered, to get them out of my hair and move on to a real crook. Sometimes truthfully. Sometimes lying (after all if you don't deserve an answer, then you dont deserve the right one). Sometimes I just infromed them that I knew my required obligations of information to provide, and that I was well aware of my rights. they seem to back off when you let them know you are aware of your rights. i guess they assume you are affiliated with a lawyer and would return the hassle they provide you. Its' actually kind of fun to see them pissed when they try to intimidate you, and you don't get intimidated, and you actually get them to back off. Fortunately I've never recieved an ass kicking.. well not directly. I once saw cops harrasing someone. Someone informed them they didn't have a right to do so. they then turned on him. and by harassment, I mean slam on the grand, putting thier knee's into their body, because they were mad. I was named a witness. Internal affairs interviewed me. I told the truth. Fucking cops told the local drug dealers I was a snitch. I ended up getting punched in the head. After that, I always use to appreciate when cops got hurt. After all, fuckin cop coulda got me killed. and what else did the lying cop know me from? I was walking down the street minding my biz, and the cop assumes i'm selling. She stops me, finds nothing, harrases me, and tells me to go in the house. I dont' go in the house.. (why should I,that's not within the scope of her duties, and she's not my mother). the cop sees me again... so I head home before she can reach me, and my mother is on the porch, and i'm saved from her harrasing me agian! bitch! hehe. That's not to say I dislike cops in general. I can appreciate professional police officers who understand what their duties are, and respect people until they have cause not to, as well as understand what citizens rights are. I used to hate cops, based on my background and experience with them.. and they have been lying civil rights violating thugs. In my rough neighborhood you had to watch out for the cops and the robbers. I sure was glad to get out of that place. 19 years there.. over a 3 or 4 year span i can count 19 shootings within 3 blocks of my home in various directions. One of those shootings was a homicide, and i was at the wrong place at the wrong time, hanging out in the dangerous streets, and I got shot in the leg. I was NOT an intended victim. And then being the scrawny white guy in a predomitately black rough neighborhood, its no wonder I built up a sort of small man's complex, clinical definition of paranoia and psychopathy. you couldn't tell could you? LOL but nah.. I'm an adult now, and I have my philosophies and understandings... in college taking pyschology classes I realised the issues I had, and the self realization changed me into giving up my paranoia and pyschopathic mindsets. I still have more philosophy than I have discipline but that's okay as long as that affects me and not you. I very much dislike violent people, and even worse when they wear a badge. I DO think police should be held to the standards of the laws they enforce. I DO realise there are a lot of good decent police officers. I DO recommend being polite and respectful towards them. I do wish for improvement in police conduct, and police - citizen relations. I do wish there was a cop on every street corner, and I do wish crime could be eliminated. So don't get me wrong.. As a thinking adult, i'm just trying to undo a negative foundation laid by a bunch of assholes... and since i'm not hiding any contraband...no I don't want them being nosey and digging through my property. And NO I never used drugs nor smoked.. and yes cops have lied and said they observed such in order to be nosey and search my vehicle. Some cops want to search the vehicle, lawfully or not.. they figure fuck the law, an unconstitutional search might get thrown out of court but another gun is off the street. ok i'm done now.. and if you think i'm crazy, you're the one sitting there reading this! LOL.. don't worry i'm not always like this, just a flash back! hehe Daniel From dc-cycles-request Fri Aug 11 23:56:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f18.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.241.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7C3ul804194 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:56:39 -0700 Received: from 165.247.88.246 by lw6fd.law6.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.247.88.246] From: "John Kozyn" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: 1985 Honda VF700F "Interceptor" Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:56:38 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2000 03:56:39.0155 (UTC) FILETIME=[51505C30:01C00411] Hey DC Guys & Gals, My old bike is for sale. Check it out here: http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C18+R171899 Thanks, JK 95 VFR D-mode ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 12 13:05:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web1004.mail.yahoo.com (web1004.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.94]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7CH5T819210 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 13:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29954 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2000 17:05:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000812170518.29953.qmail@web1004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.161.3.204] by web1004.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:05:18 PDT Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:05:18 -0700 (PDT) From: David Custer Subject: 97 ninja for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm not a subscriber to the list but a friend told me that this might be a good way to sell a bike. I apolgize if this is an incorrect use of this list. For sale: 1997 Kawasaki Ninja 500 Less than 2,500 miles Red (primary color) Asking price: $3,500 Location: Centreville, VA Photo available upon request. Send inquiries to dcuster42@XXXXXX Thanks! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 12 18:13:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7CMDu823708 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 18637 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2000 15:13:48 -0700 Received: from PPPa94-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.251) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2000 15:13:48 -0700 X-Sent: 12 Aug 2000 22:13:48 GMT Message-ID: <007f01c004ab$cde612e0$fb7c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: RR1 a success Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:22:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I'm happy to report that the first Relaxed Ride we had today was awesome. We had a few glitches, but all in all, it was great! We met at the Java Shack in Arlington at 9:30, with plans to leave by 10. Wound up leaving around 10:40...some people were getting a little antsy, but they hung in there till we left. We had about 20 bikes there, and five people who were new to DC-Cycles group rides, so I was really happy. We had a variety of route leaders today that included Michelle, Chuck, Lisa, and myself. Rob Keiser was the sweep for the group. The ride was great, and the pace never reached over 65 mph...nice and relaxed. Everyone seemed to enjoy themselves. Wound up at Polly's in DC for brunch...missing three people. Rob, and two of the newer riders (Jay and Mike, I believe). I made one mistake as a ride organizer...forgetting to explain to everyone that the sweep is there to watch out for the group to make sure everyone reaches our final destination ok...turns out that Rob and those two got separated from the group, Rob was making sure they got to Polly's ok, and found out halfway they were going home. Rob finally made it to Polly's, and after we got some food and drink in him, I think he felt a little better. :-) Sorry for the miscommunication on that one guys! Forgive me??? ;-) Special thanks to Michelle "where the hell am I?" Kaston for leading a majority of the ride, Chuck "I'm dropping back every once in a while that way I can bang on the throttle" Pena for helping with the route and leading (and being patient at our slower pace), Rob Keiser with the cleanest damn bike I've ever seen (can you come wash mine?) for sweeping the ride and taking an adventure down the beltway, and Lisa Goddard (who, I noticed, finally has her own seat back) for helping lead parts of the ride. I couldn't have done it without you guys and gals! Thanks to all of the "new" riders who came out, and to everyone else. I hope you had as much fun as I did! Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 12 18:56:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7CMu6824337 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGerm@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.e8.87dd714 (4459) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:55:54 -0400 (EDT) From: HGerm@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:55:53 EDT Subject: RR1 - So happy to have been a part of it.... Special thanks to Laura... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 What a ride! Thanks, so much, Laura, for making this happen for me. Without your urging, I would have missed out on the most fun I've had in quite sometime on a motorcycle (can we do it again, tomorrow - please). I must say, what impressed me the most about the ride, was the way in which it was handled. Laura, Sally, Chuck, Michelle and Rob made it seem as though I was in the hands of professional. Hell, I would have paid for this service :) Chuck slowing-up and moving to the outside lane to ensure the pack was in-tact; Laura, Michelle and Sally up front with the guiding torch; and Rob bring up the rear to make sure "I" did not get left behind ...it was all too cool (can we do it again, tomorrow - please). My favorite quote of the ride was from Michelle, "...because I want them" - In response to my question of how I was going to rationalize to my wife owning two bikes. Michelle, it was a good a line - but it didn't work - please come and see me in the Hospital if you get a moment :) Sooooo many cool bikes, sooooo many neat people, soooooo many great roads, such a well organized ride (can we do it again, tomorrow - please) Next time out, I'll be on my VFR - and please, be kind, and don't ask about how I got the black eye :) Thanks, everyone, for making my very first group ride one to remember!!!!! //Harold//(AKA: Sixy) From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 12 19:07:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7CN7o824611 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-10.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.74]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA08971; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399603C2.60105052@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:11:14 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laura Granato CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR1 a success References: <007f01c004ab$cde612e0$fb7c3004@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura gets the DC-Cycles award for "Leading Largest Group Ride Without A Crash"! %^) At least so far this year. The ride was for sure relaxed. Not your usual bang the throttle open sportbike crowd. Definitely a good ride for those who just wanted to "cruise" (regardless of whether they were perched aboard a cruiser or not!) and first-time group riders who want to steer clear of the aforementioned bang the throttle open crowd. I have to admit that it took a lot of self-control to not go fast, but did my best to keep the ever-present testosterone in check. OK, I lost it a couple of times and just had to open it up a little for a bit! But I think all in all I behaved myself pretty well. Hope Laura will forgive me and invite me out to play again! %^) Most fun of the day (for me and Rob at least): Falling way back on Manor Woods Rd. and then getting a chance to open it up through the sweeper esses just before making the left on 351/Ballenger Creek. Hard on the throttle through the righthander. Leaned over pretty good. Ready to set it up and go for it through the lefthander. Only to find myself staring at the back end of some sort of farm vehicle moving at 5-10 mph! Yikes! Fortunately, plenty of road still in front of me. Nonetheless, hard on the brakes with the m/c still leaned over to scrub off enough speed Hope everyone enjoyed themselves. Great day for riding. I tried to pick roads that would be fun to ride but not difficult for a relaxed pace or for newbie-types. Enough turns to make it interesting, but not demanding twisties to make it too hard. Oh yeah, despite spending the vast majority of our riding time in the great state of Maryland (home of Operation Road Rocket Roundup), we didn't see a single cop! Not that we were speeding, of course! %^) Hope everyone enjoyed coffee at Java Shack (FYI, the owner Dale gets a real kick out of seeing all the m/c's when we start rides from there) and brunch at Polly's (another friend, Cici, is the owner). Hope some of y'all get a chance to visit both again (even if not part of an organized) if it's convenient for you. Rob - Sorry about all the confusion after leaving the gas station in Potomac. I/we need to do a better job of making sure everyone is good-to-go before taking off. My bad. I know better. Waited (what seemed like forever) on Clara Barton, but after a while it was apparent that you weren't behind and I just hoped that you would find your way to Polly's OK (which you eventually did). Chuck Laura Granato wrote: > > I'm happy to report that the first Relaxed Ride we had today was awesome. > We had a few glitches, but all in all, it was great! > > We met at the Java Shack in Arlington at 9:30, with plans to leave by 10. > Wound up leaving around 10:40...some people were getting a little antsy, but > they hung in there till we left. We had about 20 bikes there, and five > people who were new to DC-Cycles group rides, so I was really happy. > > We had a variety of route leaders today that included Michelle, Chuck, Lisa, > and myself. Rob Keiser was the sweep for the group. The ride was great, > and the pace never reached over 65 mph...nice and relaxed. Everyone seemed > to enjoy themselves. > > Wound up at Polly's in DC for brunch...missing three people. Rob, and two > of the newer riders (Jay and Mike, I believe). I made one mistake as a ride > organizer...forgetting to explain to everyone that the sweep is there to > watch out for the group to make sure everyone reaches our final destination > ok...turns out that Rob and those two got separated from the group, Rob was > making sure they got to Polly's ok, and found out halfway they were going > home. Rob finally made it to Polly's, and after we got some food and drink > in him, I think he felt a little better. :-) Sorry for the > miscommunication on that one guys! Forgive me??? ;-) > > Special thanks to Michelle "where the hell am I?" Kaston for leading a > majority of the ride, Chuck "I'm dropping back every once in a while that > way I can bang on the throttle" Pena for helping with the route and leading > (and being patient at our slower pace), Rob Keiser with the cleanest damn > bike I've ever seen (can you come wash mine?) for sweeping the ride and > taking an adventure down the beltway, and Lisa Goddard (who, I noticed, > finally has her own seat back) for helping lead parts of the ride. I > couldn't have done it without you guys and gals! > > Thanks to all of the "new" riders who came out, and to everyone else. I > hope you had as much fun as I did! > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 12 22:00:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f4.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7D203827111 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:59:55 -0700 Received: from 172.169.244.42 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [172.169.244.42] From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Subject: RR1 a success Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:59:55 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2000 01:59:55.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D6CBDE0:01C004CA] Even with the side trip around the beltway and the manhole dodging in the district, I have to say I really enjoyed our Relaxed Ride today. With all the foul weather lately, Laura, your sure picked a winner of a day making all my 200+ miles worth it. (Beltway detour included ;) Nice to meet so many new riders, and to put more names to people's faces/rides. Quite a nice selection of bikes, too, I must say. (VFR's still rule the show!!!) Welcome aboard Harold! You're gonna love it! It was also good to finally see what the Java Shack and Polly's are all about. Had heard too much about them from Chuck "Oops my throttle is broken, oh wait, no it isn't, I'm just setting myself up for the next set of twisties" Pena. Once I figured out what you were doing, I had to join in on the fun. Oh, and as a public service to all other riders with one of those reflective Halo's on their helmets....take it from me, they don't like triple digits on the speedo. (But going with the theme of the day, they were very 'relaxed' triple digits %^) borrowing Chuck's symbol. Well, the bike's all cooled off by now, gotta go wash it! LOL See you all next week at Carpool! Rob. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 12 22:21:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7D2LD827404 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.31.8c5c5cb (9665) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:20:59 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: <31.8c5c5cb.26c7600b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:20:59 EDT Subject: Re: RR1 a success To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Laura, Chuck, Michelle, Lisa, and Rob (did I miss any?) thanks for leading such a great ride! I haven't been on a DC-Cycles ride in over a year, and have been lurking on the list for about that time as well. If the rides are going to be like this one, I'll be there! Thanks again! BTW, we couldn't have gotten any closer to my apartment in Fredneck.. er Frederick without running laps through the parking lot. Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 12 22:40:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7D2ed827660 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGerm@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.48.98424d4 (16939) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:40:28 -0400 (EDT) From: HGerm@XXXXXX Message-ID: <48.98424d4.26c7649c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:40:28 EDT Subject: Re: Subject: RR1 a success To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Memorable ride event: ...is that my alarm? What's that strange noise at every turn :) //Harold// From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 12 22:59:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7D2xB827967 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.2f.927b02c (4589) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:58:55 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: <2f.927b02c.26c768ef@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:58:55 EDT Subject: Re: Subject: RR1 a success To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 In a message dated 8/12/00 10:41:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, HGerm@XXXXXX writes: > Memorable ride event: ...is that my alarm? What's that strange noise at > every turn :) //Harold// > LMAO... At first I had a false sense of pride, thinking my exhaust had set off a car alarm! Rob Note: This message may contain sarcasm. If you can't take sarcasm, please disregard this message and get a life. :) From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 12 23:13:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7D3Cw828202 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.a2.881538f (3895) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:12:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:12:44 EDT Subject: Moderate/Fast ride - morning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Hey there kids....sorry to post so late again; got busy this week! Anywho, there is a ride tomorrow departing from the Burger King in Sterling tomorrow. We'll be meeting around 9:30 am. This Burger King is located in front of Regal Cinemas in Sterling, on Rt.7. Approximately 1-2 miles east of the Rt. 28/ Rt. 7 intersection. If you see this in time, come on out. Route will be backroading out to 211, most likely. Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Sat Aug 12 23:41:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7D3f3828598 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGerm@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.72.212a18e (16939) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:40:48 -0400 (EDT) From: HGerm@XXXXXX Message-ID: <72.212a18e.26c772bf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:40:47 EDT Subject: Re: Subject: RR1 a success To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 > LMAO... At first I had a false sense of pride, thinking my exhaust had set > off a car alarm! > I should have warned you guys of my "turn signal" reminder "system" :) One thing for sure, I'll never leave my turns signals on accidentally :) FYI.. for most of the ride, I was listening to Riverdances (Irish music). Nothing like "rolling" through farm-lands listening to Irish music - totally awesome. Let's do this again, real soon - please ;) //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 09:07:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7DD7F808047 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGerm@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.9a.8651ddf (16939) for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:07:01 -0400 (EDT) From: HGerm@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9a.8651ddf.26c7f775@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:07:01 EDT Subject: Laura - need lottery number please To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Laura: you must have ESP... how did you know it was going to rain today, and yesterday would be perfect? Laura.. (AKA - weather forecaster) Could ya use that crystal-ball and give me some lottery numbers? If I should win millions, everyone on the list gets a new bike of their choice - Really B-) Harold (what's that strange noise) Germany//AKA: Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 09:17:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7DDHG808193 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Jonman72@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.68.65fd8ff (7331) for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:17:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonman72@XXXXXX Message-ID: <68.65fd8ff.26c7f9d0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:17:04 EDT Subject: Great Ride... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Thanks to everyone for a great ride yesterday. We couldn't have lucked out better with the weather, and the route was great. I'm afraid I may become a MacArthur Blvd junkie. Some great scenery as well, it was nice to be able to turn my head every now and again and actually see what I was riding past (as opposed to that green blur whizzing by on the other rides, although I really enjoy the green blur thing to). Excellent job by the ride leaders and sweepers (Rob, we should have bought you a beer after your tour 'de 495 on the way to brunch). Very professional job everyone. It was great meeting everyone as well, I'm looking forward to the next one! Jonathan '00 YZF600R From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 15:57:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7DJv1814138 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 17501 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2000 12:56:53 -0700 Received: from PPPa27-ResaleFairfax1-2R7368.saturn.bbn.com (HELO oemcomputer) (4.48.124.184) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2000 12:56:53 -0700 X-Sent: 13 Aug 2000 19:56:53 GMT Message-ID: <002e01c00561$d8d86200$b87c3004@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , References: <9a.8651ddf.26c7f775@aol.com> Subject: Re: Laura - need lottery number please Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:05:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Could ya use > that crystal-ball and give me some lottery numbers> Wish I could predict lottery numbers...if I could, I'd own about 10 bikes...lmao..how 'bout I just try and predict another nice day for another fun ride? Laura > From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 16:11:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7DKBN814315 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va19-22.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.150]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA32579; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39972BED.9826049A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:14:53 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: HGerm@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR1 - So happy to have been a part of it.... Special thanks to Laura... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harold, First of all, glad you enjoyed yourself so much yesterday. That was the whole point of the ride. And loved your Valkyrie (sp?) with all the doo-dads (including the beeping noise that drove everyone crazy wondering what it was!) You asked what an "agressive/fast" ride was like during brunch at Polly's. Just to give you one point of comparison. We did yesterday's ride in 3.5+ hours including two stops for gas. I led essentially the very same ride on Father's Day (~120 miles). Mostly a sportbike group (but Herb held his own on his Magna!) No stops for gas. Less than 2.5 hours (closer to 2, but Herb can verify the time) from start to finish. FWIW, I consider myself reasonably fast (and am flattered when other riders think I'm fast). But if you want to see really fast, ride with the likes of Bryan Roach, Danny Thompson, Todd Peer, Collin Fagan (when he's in town) and others on DC-Cycles who make me feel slow (and I'm happy when I can keep them in sight ... or at least stay in the same zip code zone!) Cheers, Chuck HGerm@XXXXXX wrote : > > What a ride! Thanks, so much, Laura, for making this happen for me. Without > your urging, I would have missed out on the most fun I've had in quite > sometime on a motorcycle (can we do it again, tomorrow - please). -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 18:31:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7DMVP816409 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-132-39.s293.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.132.39] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13O6Hq-0006Li-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:31:23 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 08/09/00 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:22:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c00575$05469c40$2784a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <200008092300.e79N07Z09159@dirty.meretrix.com> > From: Boiade@XXXXXX > Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:32:49 EDT > Subject: Re: Pitbull rear stand > To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > If you go to www.kowatools.com you will find a number of stands available. > They were on sale recently and may still be. I purchased a front > and a rear > stand for about $130 for both. These stands are heavy-duty and > are the red > stands you may have seen used by some of the WSB teams on TV. Kowa Tools > doesn't advertise much outside the racing community so they are not well > known. > > Ciao, > > Fred Thanks for the info Fred. The stands are no longer on sale. They had a static balancer on sale, but sold out fast. Great site!! Todd From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 18:40:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7DMem816491 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id m.a.ec14a5 (16937); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:39:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:39:23 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/09/00 To: toddbpeer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Todd, Yeah, I like Kowa tools, no hype but good stuff and good prices. Someone on the list bought a stand at the regular price and still made out. I missed out on the static balancer too, got to visit more often. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 18:51:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7DMpa816711 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-132-39.s293.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.132.39] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13O6bN-0000Os-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:51:34 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Husons HD love affair Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:43:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c00577$d7475fc0$2784a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: Bill Huson Yes, but Sonny missied the whole point. Harleys have a *soul*, as in they're always *interesting*. Like you fire it up in the AM and you never really know if you'll be riding it back or bringing her back on a hook. Like every single completed ride is a success. Gives a warm fuzzy feeling, you know. And you'll definetely get to use all those neat tools you just had to buy. Harley's require massaging, a few pats, an occassional kiss, just like women. Ignore a Harley and it will leave you hi and dry, instead of wet and grinning. Jap bikes and *gag* beemers. Turn the key and varooommm.... Same shit, different day, no thrills, no wierd noises, no vibes = a boring lay :-) Bill You sir, have some serious issues. I thought for a second there you were gonna tell us what a gentleman you were because you sleep in the oil spot! ;-) Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 19:11:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7DNBh816991 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-132-39.s293.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.132.39] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13O6ur-0002di-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:11:41 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Suspicion of speeders Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:03:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c0057a$a6f69220$2784a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Fresh outta law school and already startin' shit: > > > Normally I wouldn't let a cop search my car, but > > > I figured if i did > > > this time, I might not get a ticket. > > > > this is a joke, right? if you answer 'no' to the > > search request, you've supplied the police with > > all the suspicion they need to then execute a > > vehicle search without your consent > > > > Whats the right answer then? there is no right answer....if there was something about you that made the officer want to search the vehicle, and you back up this suspicion by denying him the opportunity, you are SOL > Even if I don't have anything to hide, > and I trust that the cops aren't going to plant > something, what if I > don't want to have my car searched? as i said in an earlier post....you as a citizen have chosen to drive on the highways in a mobile evidence carrier and you have a lesser expectation of privacy because of it ------ > Horse shit! The analogy holds the same for ------ > anyone simply walking down the streets wearing ------ > big pants and flannel shirts....hmmm. ------ > Does speeding imply you have something to hide? ------ > I'd like Mr. Gawthorps take on this assessment. if you don't want your vehicle searched, don't drive it on the highways hey....i know it sucks. the key to excluding evidence obtained is to show that there was no cause for suspicion in the first place (saying 'no' to a search is (imo) downright idiotic....so hide the shit well, OK? ;) ----- > are we allowed to ask what the suspicion is? > Yes, you can search it, right after my lawyer shows > up? why have a lawyer show up? to observe the search? your 5th amendment right against compelled self-incrimination does not apply to physical evidence obtained in a lawful search -- tg -------------------------------------- Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 19:38:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7DNcS817450 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-226.patriot.net [209.249.180.226]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7DNcN115011; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:38:24 -0400 Message-ID: <39972F82.A02C10FA@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:30:10 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: AA DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Husons HD love affair References: <000201c00577$d7475fc0$2784a4d8@todd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > You sir, have some serious issues. I thought for a second there you were > gonna tell us what a gentleman you were because you sleep in the oil spot! > ;-) > Weeellll, now that you mention it .... :-> Of course, such romantic moments in the garage are usually after I've cracked wise to Milady, like when she bends over in white shorts and I go "Whoa, who ordered an outdoor movie screen." Bill - can I run fast? You betcha... From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 19:44:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7DNia817529 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000813234428.11189.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.88.42] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:44:28 PDT Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:44:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Looking for good prices on helmets To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll soon be in the market for a Shoei Xtec or RF800 full-face helmet. I remember a few list members making recommendations for dealers.. Could you post or email me a link, URL address, or phone # of the dealers? If anyone currently owns a Shoei Xtec and cares to comment on whether the Xtec is worth the few extra dollars over the RF800, I'd be curious to know. -Corbett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 19:50:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7DNoY817676 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-226.patriot.net [209.249.180.226]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7DNoU115752; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:50:30 -0400 Message-ID: <39973259.5E6CD818@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:42:17 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: AA DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Suspicion of speeders References: <000301c0057a$a6f69220$2784a4d8@todd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > hey....i know it sucks. the key to excluding evidence > obtained is to show that there was no cause for > suspicion in the first place (saying 'no' to a search > is (imo) downright idiotic....so hide the shit well, > OK? ;) > > A classic example of a bad search occured in Frfx Co, many moons ago. A self made before age 40 millionarie was set up by the feds. A girl invited Mr Horny Millionaire to her place, but the feds had dirt on her and had extorted her into rolling over on said millionaire. She flashed her lights and the feds desended on millionarie's car. Seems the *found* a small quantity of cocaine therein. Problem? Well, yes. The feds waited almost an hour before calling the county law. something about jurisdiction. They didn't wait to notify the media about their big bust. The media circus ruined the millionaire, but what about the coke charge? Mr Horan, attorney general and not one of my fav people, did the right thing for once. He said the search was bogus and failing to notify the county law in a timely manner completely comprised the case - charges dropped. But the millionaire was ruined. Justice? Not hardly. I remain of the opinion that fed law agencies are far more dangerous than local law. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 20:52:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7E0qA818565 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-11.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.203]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA13277; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39976DBD.4631112F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:55:41 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 08/09/00 References: <000101c00575$05469c40$2784a4d8@todd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd et al, If you go to http://www.kowatools.com/cgi-bin/miva?Merchant2/merchant.mv+Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=AKS2000&Category_Code=STANDS the Kowa rear and front stands are shown as 50% off. Chuck Todd Peer wrote: > > > Thanks for the info Fred. The stands are no longer on sale. They had a > static balancer on sale, but sold out fast. Great site!! -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 20:53:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7E0rc818576 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-11.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.203]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04146; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39976E14.53F59C01@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:57:08 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Corbett B CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Looking for good prices on helmets References: <20000813234428.11189.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Corbett, Collin is always recommending Dixie Cycles (down in LA). I have their phone number on my laptop at work. Remind me and I'll email it to you tomorrow (unless Collin posts before then). I can vouch that they can get you great pricing. Chuck Corbett B wrote: > > I'll soon be in the market for a Shoei Xtec or RF800 > full-face helmet. > > I remember a few list members making recommendations > for dealers.. Could you post or email me a link, URL > address, or phone # of the dealers? > > If anyone currently owns a Shoei Xtec and cares to > comment on whether the Xtec is worth the few extra > dollars over the RF800, I'd be curious to know. > > -Corbett > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 21:42:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7E1gE819307 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-180-89.s89.tnt3.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.180.89] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13O9GV-00024r-00; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:42:12 -0400 Message-ID: <07ad01c00591$18708d00$59b4accf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "Corbett B" Cc: References: <20000813234428.11189.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Looking for good prices on helmets Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:43:48 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Try Jenspeed (http://www.jenspeed.com/ 800-443-0625 ask for Angie if Paul is out). Paul has gotten me the best prices on all kinds of things. I just bought a KBC "Rush" (new Snell 95, DOT helmet) for $150. This helmet is as light or lighter than my Arai Quantum, has a no tool shield, and a nice design, I highly recommend it. Danny '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Corbett B To: DC Cycles Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 7:44 PM Subject: Looking for good prices on helmets > I'll soon be in the market for a Shoei Xtec or RF800 > full-face helmet. > > I remember a few list members making recommendations > for dealers.. Could you post or email me a link, URL > address, or phone # of the dealers? > > If anyone currently owns a Shoei Xtec and cares to > comment on whether the Xtec is worth the few extra > dollars over the RF800, I'd be curious to know. > > -Corbett > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 21:46:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7E1k7819384 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000814014559.17344.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.181] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:45:59 PDT Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:45:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Looking for good prices on helmets To: Danny Thompson , Corbett B Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii supposedly The Helmet Shop is the best source on the web: www.helmetshop.com --- Danny Thompson wrote: > Try Jenspeed (http://www.jenspeed.com/ 800-443-0625 > ask for Angie if Paul is > out). Paul has gotten me the best prices on all > kinds of things. I just > bought a KBC "Rush" (new Snell 95, DOT helmet) for > $150. This helmet is as > light or lighter than my Arai Quantum, has a no tool > shield, and a nice > design, I highly recommend it. > Danny > '99 SV (race bike) > Novice #903 > www.onewayracing.org > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free > @ 888-743-6825 > Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Corbett B > To: DC Cycles > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 7:44 PM > Subject: Looking for good prices on helmets > > > > I'll soon be in the market for a Shoei Xtec or > RF800 > > full-face helmet. > > > > I remember a few list members making > recommendations > > for dealers.. Could you post or email me a link, > URL > > address, or phone # of the dealers? > > > > If anyone currently owns a Shoei Xtec and cares to > > comment on whether the Xtec is worth the few extra > > dollars over the RF800, I'd be curious to know. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 22:56:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7E2uh820441 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-238-7.s261.tnt9.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.238.7]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13OAQa-0005zF-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:56:41 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: igntion advnacer? Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 06:01:47 GMT Message-ID: <39978a3b.3791356@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7E2ux820442 I have a 95 kaw zx6r. It definitely has a pipe on it. What exactly is jetting, changing needles that allow more gas AND air into the engine for more power? And I guess that's different from makign the mixture richer.. anyway.. my bike feels pretty powerful... I was wondering what I could expect to get, as far as performance gains, from an igntion advancer? I may be able to pick up one cheap... From dc-cycles-request Sun Aug 13 23:16:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7E3Fw820870 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-27.patriot.net [209.249.180.27]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7E3Fr130448; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:15:54 -0400 Message-ID: <3997627B.E71FA19D@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:07:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: igntion advnacer? References: <39978a3b.3791356@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, good grief. You need "See Spot Turn Wrenchs - a primer for the mechanically challanged." Yes, jetting involves piddling with the fuel mixture, but you have lo-speed, mid-range, and hi-speed jets/needles The mixture at all speeds has to coordinate with the innie/outtie flow. Merely changing air cleaner brands can fug it up. Igniton advancer? You can advance the ignition by retiming what's allready there. Use a screwdriver, advance the pickup sensor - shazamm! You're advanced. Save money for new pistons and sleeves and valves. Electronic ignitions with different hi-pro advance curves can be purchased. Like pissing money in the toilet unless you attend to all the other variables (see above). Solution for the mechanically challanged. Take bike to a dealer with a dyno, empty wallet on counter, sign away a large portion of your future earnings, and tell them to make it fast. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I have a 95 kaw zx6r. It definitely has a pipe on it. > > What exactly is jetting, changing needles that allow more gas > AND air into the engine for more power? > > And I guess that's different from makign the mixture richer.. > > anyway.. my bike feels pretty powerful... I was wondering what I could > expect to get, as far as performance gains, from an igntion advancer? > I may be able to pick up one cheap... From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 00:10:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7E4A2821613 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.228.147.Washington1.Level3.net [209.244.228.147]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01409; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Charles V. Pena" , Cc: Subject: RE: RR1 - So happy to have been a part of it.... Special thanks to Laura... Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:02:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c005a4$6a3afcc0$93e4f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39972BED.9826049A@ix.netcom.com> For those of you that do like to haul ass every now & then, feel free to contact me. I ride at least once a week to the backroads of VA generally on an impromptu & sporadic basis, often with just a coupla bikes. This includes blowing out of work early enough to beat traffic sometimes during the week. Sometimes there's a big group of bikes on weekends. Always interested to meet people who just want to hit it whenever. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Charles V. Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 7:15 PM To: HGerm@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR1 - So happy to have been a part of it.... Special thanks to Laura... Harold, First of all, glad you enjoyed yourself so much yesterday. That was the whole point of the ride. And loved your Valkyrie (sp?) with all the doo-dads (including the beeping noise that drove everyone crazy wondering what it was!) You asked what an "agressive/fast" ride was like during brunch at Polly's. Just to give you one point of comparison. We did yesterday's ride in 3.5+ hours including two stops for gas. I led essentially the very same ride on Father's Day (~120 miles). Mostly a sportbike group (but Herb held his own on his Magna!) No stops for gas. Less than 2.5 hours (closer to 2, but Herb can verify the time) from start to finish. FWIW, I consider myself reasonably fast (and am flattered when other riders think I'm fast). But if you want to see really fast, ride with the likes of Bryan Roach, Danny Thompson, Todd Peer, Collin Fagan (when he's in town) and others on DC-Cycles who make me feel slow (and I'm happy when I can keep them in sight ... or at least stay in the same zip code zone!) Cheers, Chuck HGerm@XXXXXX wrote : > > What a ride! Thanks, so much, Laura, for making this happen for me. Without > your urging, I would have missed out on the most fun I've had in quite > sometime on a motorcycle (can we do it again, tomorrow - please). -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 00:50:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f43.hotmail.com [216.32.181.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7E4ob822256 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:50:29 -0700 Received: from 151.200.12.23 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.12.23] From: "Kewl GT" To: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Looking for good prices on helmets Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:50:29 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2000 04:50:29.0473 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B8F4510:01C005AB] I looked around for a Shoei helmet also, and found helmetshop.com to have the good prices. Let me know if you find any cheaper. Since they do not publish their prices online, below is a price list for Shoei helmets, about two weeks old. Hope this helps. Regards Sanath Shoei Helmets : X-SP II Solid Colors__________$449.99____________S-XL X-SP II Graphics _____________$549.99____________S-XL X-SP Solid Colors_____________$399.99____________S-XL X-SP Graphics______________________$449.99____________S-XL Syncrotec________________________$349.99______________XS-XL X-Tec Solids_____________________$369.99_______________SM-XL X-Tec Graphics___________________$449.99_______________SM-XL RF800 Manako______________$299.99____________XXS-XXL RF800 Picotte_____________$299.99____________XXS-XXL RF800 Nobby-2_____________$299.99____________XXS-XXL RF800 Trump_____________$299.99____________XXS-XXL RF800 Scepter_____________$279.99____________XXS-XXL RF800 Apex_____________$279.99____________XXS-XXL RF800 America_____________$279.99____________XXS-XXL RF800 Jag_________________$279.99____________XXS-XXL RF800 Solid Color__________$229.99____________XXS-XXL RFR Solid Color___________$175.99____________XXS-XXL RFR Domino________________$214.99____________XS-XXL X-9 Beatie_________________$389.99____________ XXL X-9 Duhamel_______________$389.99____________XXL RJ-Air____________________$139.99_____________XS-XXL ST-Cruz__________________$119.99_____________XS-XXL VFX-R Solids______________$299.99____________S-XL VFX-R Graphics____________$366.99____________S-XL VFX-R Pro Circuit_________$399.99____________S-XL FX-4 Solids_______________$199.99____________XXS-XXL FX-4 Graphics_____________$235.99____________XXS-XXL ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 05:46:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7E9kD827670 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 05:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.a.eebc39 (3984) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 05:46:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 05:45:59 EDT Subject: Re: Suspicion of speeders To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 In a message dated 8/13/00 7:12:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a writer wrote: << I'd like Mr. Gawthrops take on this assessment. >> Ok, i've been out of the net for a couple of days; catch me up on the issue . Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 06:06:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EA66827971 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 06:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id m.c.952e18d (3984); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 06:05:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 06:05:52 EDT Subject: Re: Suspicion of speeders To: toddbpeer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 The supreme court held that cars are an exception to the search rules because the pose a special flight risk. Baggy pants on a gang banger are not as much of a flight risk as concealment potential (as well as incredibly lousy taste in clothing by any cultural standard). The rule (for those of us who have worked inside law enforcement but are no longer a part of it) is: If you are clean, a consent search is a non-problem. At most you can take perverse delight in taking someone's time. If you are dirty, do not consent. If they find it anyway, there is a chance that the evidence will get thrown out later on some other technicality. But if you consent, and later the evidence were to be thrown out on a later technicality, it could still be used because you consented. Now, there are times when non-consent even when you are clean is appropriate. That's when the officer flunks the attitude test and then asks for your consent. One thing to remember, and this is good if you think you are being toyed with, is to ask the officer to request his supervisor to come to the scene. This may take some time. However, the advantages are that generally the supervisor sees stops in light of the department view (is this BS that may back fire; is it a training issue with a rookie cop, etc.) But be very circumspect about doing this. No attitudes, no violations on your part. You have to be pretty free of infractions to get thru a stop without a ticket if it starts going down hill when you call for a supervisor. However, the supervisor may be your best bet. Now, as for planting evidence. That stuff happens. What to do. Call for the supervisor. Tell him that the evidence has been planted and that you want incorporated into the police report a request for an internal affairs investigation. State that you will take a polygraph. (The examination will address only the issue of the evidence, not other activities leading up to the plant.) Ask that a polygraph be offered to the officer. After you are released from lockup, go straight to internal affairs and the Attorney general's office. Scream long, loud and often and hold a press conference. Offer no comment on the events leading up to the bust, but describe in excruciating detail the search procedures used by the police. Question whether this officer has a pattern of finding evidence like this (he probably does and it would be interesting to interview these guys). Check with the National Motorists Association on how to exploit other vulnerabilities in police procedure. Shift the focus from you to police (and by extension, Government) procedure. When you make your statement, avoid emotional generalizations. Be real specific and real calm. (Ever watch Spock on Star Trek - insider knowledge - testimony presented unemotionally, focused on the facts is disproportionately effective. If you are being screwed with on the road - take a long hard look at the National Motorist Association Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 07:36:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EBaB829337 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-238-7.s261.tnt9.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.238.7]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13OIXI-00006I-00; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:36:09 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: igntion advnacer? Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:41:19 GMT Message-ID: <399801d3.34411249@smtp.erols.com> References: <39978a3b.3791356@smtp.erols.com> <3997627B.E71FA19D@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3997627B.E71FA19D@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7EBaO829338 Thanks Bill. You know they say a single conversation with a wise man is worth 1000 books or something like that. So i'd rather ask. I'm not about to shell out all my money to make a bike faster. I'd rather buy a bigger bike. but said advancer was cheap like $20 so i thought i'd ask and see if I could get any horsepower out of it. Daniel 95 zx6r From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 07:52:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EBqb829586 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-57.patriot.net [209.249.180.57]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7EBqW124310; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:52:32 -0400 Message-ID: <3997DB91.D1C1A040@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:44:17 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: igntion advnacer? References: <39978a3b.3791356@smtp.erols.com> <3997627B.E71FA19D@patriot.net> <399801d3.34411249@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beware - the term "ignition advancer" is not norm. Antiques had manual ignition advance levers. Anyone can advance their ignition for free - the timing is adjustable. But the only to do this without problems is with a *black box* that modifies the entire curve. Idle may be as low as 0 deg BTDC and more than 40 deg at WFO. Just bumping it up to say 44 deg BTDC will screw the idle and cause major pinging at mid-range. You're better off spending $20 on a book. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Thanks Bill. You know they say a single conversation with a wise man > is worth 1000 books or something like that. So i'd rather ask. I'm > not about to shell out all my money to make a bike faster. I'd rather > buy a bigger bike. but said advancer was cheap like $20 so i thought > i'd ask and see if I could get any horsepower out of it. > > Daniel > 95 zx6r From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 07:52:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EBqp829596 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA1399613 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3997DD8B.EABEB4A0@radix.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:52:43 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions References: <20000811190329.27753.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > > ahhh.....but even if your car is empty and you are > alone, there may be plenty of reasons for the police > to suspect you of criminal wrongdoing. take daniel > for instance No thanks, I'm happily married :-) > (he did, after all, bring up the topic > and it is his angle that i was observing things from) > ... from the sound of it, he has had his share of > run-ins with the law ( c'mon Tom. Surely, you jest ? read: possible warrants or name > recognition by police or dispatch); he has expressed > that he would be inclined to say 'no' to a search > request; he is young, perhaps angry or nervous, > perhaps stinking of smoke of some sort, etc. The > standard that is used to judge probable cause or > reasonable suspicion is a 'totality of the > circumstances' standard. add up all the info > available to a cop and its pretty damn easy to meet > the applicable standard (and often justifiable to a > neutral factfinder later especially when the search > produces contraband). That's a very good point, Tom, something I neglected to mention... Obviously, if you stink of Jamaican weed, you're gonna get busted. Or, if they notice contraband or other suspicious stuff in / on the vehicle, You're probably going to be on the road side for a while... If you're firm enough, probably won't get searched... BUT, if you have nothing to hide, it may be quicker to let them have a peak... Once you open Pandora's box however, they can literally take your vehicle apart down to the frame :-( Yikes. > > note: it sounds as though we agree on the basics, but > i'm looking at things from the perspective of someone > who has something to hide, while you are looking at > things from the perspective from someone who has > nothing to hide but doesn't want to deal with the > delay That about sums it up. > > i think our daniel fits (sometimes) in the former > group! ;) Nah. I just can't picture that.... :-) > well, my statement was obviously (i think) made in the > context of a situation in which an allegedly criminal > act had in fact been made by the state official. > dave, i'm no expert here, but it seems to me that > sovereign immunity has been waived in most, if not all > instances in which a state official has deprived a > citizen of 14th amendment rights under color of law. 3 words - thin blue line. > i notice that we have recently been approved by the > Kitchell Content Control Board (shit...i thought Chris > Weaver headed the unit ;)...so i think we're fine There's so much turnover. oye. Hey, who regulates the Oil thread control ? Maybe it's time for another oil thread ? > > > out of here now, have a good weekend. > > you too....but what i want to know is why a techie > knows so damn much about the law! please clue us in As I've said before on the list ; my driving record used to provoke guffaws of laughter from MVA & Insurance staff alike, & it was getting tiresome paying all that insurance money. I was also failing to talk my way out of tickets. SO, after after losing in court on an 82 in a 55, I did a bunch of things - Joined the NMA. Read some of the traffic codes (MD) {HIGHLY BORING, but I have a high tolerance for reading dry, arcane text like IBM manuals} , read a couple of books on how to beat tickets & more importantly how to not draw the cop's attention as much. The latter has made the biggest difference. I just made it a simple monetary equation - I could buckle down & drive the speed limit (SHYEAH) or continue to drive as I had been previously (and go bankrupt) or learn how to blend in a little better & still enjoy driving... It probably doesn't hurt that even though I work on OS/390, I do web site admin. to satisfy documenting requirements :-) 'Hey, Dave, How's about doing some WORK today ? Stop Surfing ! my response 'I am working Boss, I'm learning how to better present web documentation on this Traffic Law site ...' -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 07:55:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EBtI829609 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA1377582 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3997DE23.90C96421@radix.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:55:15 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumb cop questions References: <20000811190604.2185.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > > and u.s. const. law says that every bit of the > passenger compartment of the vehicle is 'within the > reach' of the occupant.....just not the trunk Also, I think that a passenger's purse is fair game, but also, I don't think police can order a passenger from the vehicle (both went to the Supreme Court) but check on the 'ordering passengers out of the vehicle) both in the last 2 years. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 08:13:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ECDC829910 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA1400673 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3997E254.F9CE987D@radix.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:13:08 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: igntion advnacer? References: <39978a3b.3791356@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > I have a 95 kaw zx6r. It definitely has a pipe on it. > > What exactly is jetting, changing needles that allow more gas > AND air into the engine for more power? Altering the air / fuel ratio (to make more power, generally) > > And I guess that's different from makign the mixture richer.. You may need different size jets than come in the bike for optimum performance > > anyway.. my bike feels pretty powerful... I was wondering what I could > expect to get, as far as performance gains, from an igntion advancer? > I may be able to pick up one cheap... Advancers work on some machines don't on others. I have 5 degree advancer on my bike that was worth 9 hp past 10k rpms, but ONLY past 10k. No other setting made a whit of difference in power, but my bike is quite far from stock. YMMV, & the only way to know is put it on the dyno & find out. IF you're already on the dyno to work out a jet kit, for example, then spend the extra hour & have them test an advance when they're done the jetting. Otherwise, don't bother. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 08:23:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ECNc800207 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:23:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200008140823.AA142016922@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: DOT headlight modulator reqmnt X-Mailer: Federal DOT requirements re: headlight modulators: Go to http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/get-cfr.cgi?TITLE=49&PART=571&SECTION=108&TYPE=TEXT It includes the following text: S7.9.4 Motorcycle headlamp modulation system. S7.9.4.1 A headlamp on a motorcycle may be wired to modulate either the upper beam or the lower beam from its maximum intensity to a lesser intensity, provided that: (a) The rate of modulation shall be 240 40 cycles per minute. (b) The headlamp shall be operated at maximum power for 50 to 70 percent of each cycle. (c) The lowest intensity at any test point shall be not less than 17 percent of the maximum intensity measured at the same point. (d) The modulator switch shall be wired in the power lead of the beam filament being modulated and not in the ground side of the circuit. (e) Means shall be provided so that both the lower beam and upper beam remain operable in the event of a modulator failure. (f) The system shall include a sensor mounted with the axis of its sensing element perpendicular to a horizontal plane. Headlamp modulation shall cease whenever the level of light emitted by a tungsten filament light operating at 3000 deg. Kelvin is either less than 270 lux (25 foot-candles) of direct light for upward pointing sensors or less than 60 lux (5.6 foot-candles) of reflected light for downward pointing sensors. The light is measured by a silicon cell type light meter that is located at the sensor and pointing in the same direction as the sensor. A Kodak Gray Card (Kodak R-27) is placed at ground level to simulate the road surface in testing downward pointing sensors. (g) When tested in accordance with the test profile shown in Figure 9, the voltage drop across the modulator when the lamp is on at all test conditions for 12 volt systems and 6 volt systems shall not be greater than .45 volt. The modulator shall meet all the provisions of the standard after completion of the test profile shown in Figure 9. (h) Means shall be provided so that both the lower and upper beam function at design voltage when the headlamp control switch is in either the lower or upper beam position when the modulator is off. S7.9.4.2(a) Each motorcycle headlamp modulator not intended as original equipment, or its container, shall be labeled with the maximum wattage, and the minimum wattage appropriate for its use. Additionally, each such modulator shall comply with S7.9.4.1 (a) through (g) when connected to a headlamp of the maximum rated power and a headlamp of the minimum rated power, and shall provide means so that the modulated beam functions at design voltage when the modulator is off. (b) Instructions, with a diagram, shall be provided for mounting the light sensor including location on the motorcycle, distance above the road surface, and orientation with respect to the light. *** Article copyright (c) IBMWR and the author(s). All rights reserved. Unsubscribe directions at http://www.ibmwr.org/faq-files/mail.html#SUB *** From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 09:03:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ED3u801329 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va18-07.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.71]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11117; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399819BE.E6B8E69F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:09:34 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kewl GT CC: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Looking for good prices on helmets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin Fagan's helmet/accessories place is Dixie Cycles. (318) 368-7266. William or Yvonne will probably answer the phone. Or possibly Duane. Tell them Collin referred you to them. They are nice people. Quoted me the absolute lowest price for an AGV X-Vent Rossi Murgello racer rep plus a blue iridium shield (both for the same price that another place on the net -- that I don't know from Adam -- was selling just the helmet for). Can't beat that! Chuck Kewl GT wrote: > > I looked around for a Shoei helmet also, and found helmetshop.com to have > the good prices. Let me know if you find any cheaper. Since they do not > publish their prices online, below is a price list for Shoei helmets, about > two weeks old. Hope this helps. > > Regards > Sanath > > Shoei Helmets : > X-SP II Solid Colors__________$449.99____________S-XL > X-SP II Graphics _____________$549.99____________S-XL > X-SP Solid Colors_____________$399.99____________S-XL > X-SP Graphics______________________$449.99____________S-XL > Syncrotec________________________$349.99______________XS-XL > X-Tec Solids_____________________$369.99_______________SM-XL > X-Tec Graphics___________________$449.99_______________SM-XL > RF800 Manako______________$299.99____________XXS-XXL > RF800 Picotte_____________$299.99____________XXS-XXL > RF800 Nobby-2_____________$299.99____________XXS-XXL > RF800 Trump_____________$299.99____________XXS-XXL > RF800 Scepter_____________$279.99____________XXS-XXL > RF800 Apex_____________$279.99____________XXS-XXL > RF800 America_____________$279.99____________XXS-XXL > RF800 Jag_________________$279.99____________XXS-XXL > RF800 Solid Color__________$229.99____________XXS-XXL > RFR Solid Color___________$175.99____________XXS-XXL > RFR Domino________________$214.99____________XS-XXL > X-9 Beatie_________________$389.99____________ XXL > X-9 Duhamel_______________$389.99____________XXL > RJ-Air____________________$139.99_____________XS-XXL > ST-Cruz__________________$119.99_____________XS-XXL > VFX-R Solids______________$299.99____________S-XL > VFX-R Graphics____________$366.99____________S-XL > VFX-R Pro Circuit_________$399.99____________S-XL > FX-4 Solids_______________$199.99____________XXS-XXL > FX-4 Graphics_____________$235.99____________XXS-XXL > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 09:46:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EDku803056 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Jonman72@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.6a.5b04e9d (4400) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:46:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonman72@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6a.5b04e9d.26c95243@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:46:43 EDT Subject: Re: Subject: RR1 a success To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 I agree with you that listening to Riverdances would probably be nice, but I much preferred listening to the native Valkyrie mating call (whooop whooop chirp, whoop whoop chirp, whoop whoop chirp). Funny, they always seem to nest in the trees at the intersections. Ahhhhhhhhh, nature...... ;-) Jonathan '00 YZF600R >>Harold wrote: I should have warned you guys of my "turn signal" reminder "system" :) One thing for sure, I'll never leave my turns signals on accidentally :) FYI.. for most of the ride, I was listening to Riverdances (Irish music). Nothing like "rolling" through farm-lands listening to Irish music - totally awesome. Let's do this again, real soon - please ;) //Sixy// From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 09:53:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EDrw803169 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA09339; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3997FA1C.AFAF54B9@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:54:37 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Balt-Cycles-l , "D.C.Cycles-L" , Katana-L , "SOC-USA@XXXXXX" , "Suzuki Owners Club Md." , SuzukiBikes-L , Suzuki-l Subject: Christmas Tree in August Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Friends, This was a wake up call, like no other! On my way to work this morning, I was on the Beltway (659) and took my exit ramp, to get on to RT. 295 to head into Baltimore. Well traffic on 295 moves very fast. The right lane travels around 65 to 70 mph. NORMALLY. Well I'm on the ramp at twice the speed, so I can merge cleanly. When lo' and behold, I see a huge, needle less, Christmas Tree in the lane I'd use to merge with. There's a white cage, coming into my entrance lane to go around the tree. I share my lane with the cage and barely miss the thing by inches. I look up to scan again, and I'm coming up fast on a slow moving pick 'em up truck. The driver must of been gawking in his mirror at the tree. I wonder if he wet his pants when he saw my high beam in his mirror with that tree. I use the break down lane to get around him, If I'd of braked, I would of impaled the truck's bed, and have gone trough his back window, helmet first. Damn....... it was all over in probably, 2 or 3 seconds, and it felt like a mainlined jolt of double expresso. Keep you eyes open out there, as if your being hunted by assassins operating those cages, and maybe you too, can live through the day. Be careful out there. They're out to get'cha. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 10:00:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EE0d803332 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.11] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:00:06 -0700 Received: from navieg1 ([129.193.4.9]) by navieg3.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:01:32 0000 (GMT) Received: (from RESVA-MS6 [158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 61) with SMTP id M2000081407003803027 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:00:38 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:59:35 -0400 Message-Id: <3997FB76.9790FE3D@trw.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:00:22 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey All, I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a fair amount of time on the beltway so here's a question for you. Given non-rushhour traffic, what is the quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to the RT.50 exit in MD; the Inner Loop (North on 495) or the Outer Loop (South on 495)? It looks pretty even to me on the map with the northern route maybe getting the nod. Also, does anyone have an opinion as to the distance saved (within the circle of the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to the Outer Loop? I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in combat with my Father in Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this one...: ) Thanks, Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 10:13:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7EEDV803498 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31983 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2000 14:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.36.153.179) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2000 14:12:53 -0000 Message-ID: <3997FE75.27DD5FE9@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:13:09 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Keiser CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Subject: RR1 a success References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert Keiser wrote: > Oh, and as a public service to all other riders with one of those reflective > Halo's on their helmets....take it from me, they don't like triple digits on > the speedo. If you are like me and put the helmet halo on and don't ever remove it, glue stik's really, really work well to semi-permanently attach the halo to a typical motorcycle helmet. I was surprised how well the glue-stik held. Now that I've got the Nolan flip-face, I can't use a halo. Bummer. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 10:18:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h002.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7EEIj803585 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 8137 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2000 07:18:35 -0700 Date: 14 Aug 2000 07:18:35 -0700 Message-ID: <20000814141835.8136.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Aug 2000 14:18:35 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Aug 2000 07:18:35 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: RR2 anyone? Well, since I received so many requests for another ride like Saturday's relaxed ride, anyone up for RR2 on Saturday, September 9? We could do it the weekend before, but figure a lot of people will be vacationing for the long labor day weekend...any thoughts? Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 10:22:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EEMb803664 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA1418455 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399800AA.99EA9688@radix.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:22:34 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question References: <3997FB76.9790FE3D@trw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy Moran wrote: > > Hey All, > > I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a fair amount of time on the beltway ain't that the truth. > so here's a question for you. Given non-rushhour traffic, what is the > quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to the RT.50 exit in MD; the Inner Loop > (North on 495) or the Outer Loop (South on 495)? 'quickest' is a loaded question, as there are so many variables that there's no one answer... I hate to waffle like this but I'll give this a whirl... I'd say that absent ANY obstructions, you can make the best (chronologically speaking) time going the Outer loop, through the Springfield interchange AND across the woody wilson bridge towards 50. It's probably more direct to stay on 66e into town, & get to 295n / BW pkwy. However, speeds aren't generally as fast on the pkwy. I'd pick the inner loop across the Cabin John LAST, because you *could* encounter heavy traffic at the CJ & at the 270 Spur, through Silver Spring & the 95 / 495 split. It looks pretty even to > me on the map with the northern route maybe getting the nod. Also, does > anyone have an opinion as to the distance saved (within the circle of > the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to the Outer Loop? > > I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in combat with my Father in > Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this one...: ) No matter what time of day, you need to verify the traffic status. Before going the outer loop, at least listen to WTOP - traffic & weather on the 8's. If they're broadcasting an O's game, don't trust them, check out traffic reports on the Washington Post website. Another thing to consider is 'bail out' routes. You need to have a verified escape plan for when traffic backs up. If you go the outer loop, Watch the overhead signs for a WW bridge opening. If the one at the Springfield interchange indicates traffic to Van Dorn, or a bridge opening in 10 minutes or less (at 70mph) jump off onto 395 n, to MLK blvd, to 295N & get to your destination that way. I guess I didn't really answer your question, but I hope it helped anyway... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 10:26:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EEQ1803677 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id JAA13826 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:25:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id JAA13820 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:25:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA22222; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000814102636.00a2ab60@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:27:12 -0400 To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: RR2 anyone? In-Reply-To: <20000814141835.8136.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" YES YES YES! Sounds good to me. I was totally bummed I had to miss this week's. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 07:18 AM 8/14/00 -0700, LAURA GRANATO wrote: >Well, since I received so many requests for another ride like Saturday's >relaxed ride, anyone up for RR2 on Saturday, September 9? We could do it >the weekend before, but figure a lot of people will be vacationing for the >long labor day weekend...any thoughts? > >Laura Granato >'99 Suzuki GS500 > > >________________________________________________ >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 10:33:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EEXD804021 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-23.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.151]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01378; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39982EAB.A28619E8@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:38:51 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR2 anyone? References: <20000814141835.8136.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If RR means "road rocket", I'm in! %^) Chuck LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > Well, since I received so many requests for another ride like Saturday's relaxed ride, anyone up for RR2 on Saturday, September 9? We could do it the weekend before, but figure a lot of people will be vacationing for the long labor day weekend...any thoughts? From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 10:37:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EEb4804187 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.11] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:36:51 -0700 Received: from navieg1 ([129.193.4.9]) by navieg3.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:38:17 0000 (GMT) Received: (from RESVA-MS6 [158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 61) with SMTP id M2000081407372309387 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:37:23 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:36:22 -0400 Message-Id: <39980416.38B81FD9@trw.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:37:10 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question References: <3997FB76.9790FE3D@trw.com> <399800AA.99EA9688@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heheh...Dave, as a person who doesn't spend more than an hour or two on the Beltway during the course of a month, I must say that your response is a thing of beauty. It captures all of the paranoia and self doubt that hours spent in traffic must create. ; ) "'bail out' routes", "verification of traffic status", "verified escape plan"...this stuff is great! Seriously though, thanks for taking the time to answer. I think you actally backed up my opinion this specific case. Randy From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 10:43:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EEhT804288 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-139-241.s495.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.139.241] helo=bigfoot.com) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13OLSX-0005O4-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:43:25 -0400 Message-ID: <399804D2.E1168E5C@bigfoot.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:40:18 -0400 From: vulgar_power X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR1 a success References: <007f01c004ab$cde612e0$fb7c3004@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Let me first say to Rob, I'm sorry for the belt way excursion. I honestly thought that you were directing me (us) that way. I though, 495, ok maybe a short cut. But when we got into VA I knew something was up. Pulled off, talked to Rob and found out his ride sheet had come out of his tank bag somewhere, and he was following me. Mike was gonna bail at Polly's (things to do), and I was bummed about the group separation, so we told Rob we were sorry, and were gonna head back to Manassas. Secondly, to Michelle, Chuck, Laura and Rob, thanks for the great ride! Even with the, um, disappearance of the group at the last gas stop, it was a great day. Mike and I have both said that we will do future group rides. Great ride, great people, just what I had expected. -jay '00 Shadow CD From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 10:51:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EEpf804448 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-211-92.s92.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.211.92] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13OLaU-0001zO-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:51:38 -0400 Message-ID: <017a01c005fe$95b25ba0$17d63ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <20000814141835.8136.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: RR2 anyone? Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:45:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sept. 9 sounds great to me. Sorry to have missed RR1, since by all accounts it was a great ride. I tend to the "relaxed" side of the spectrum myself. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: LAURA GRANATO To: Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 10:18 AM Subject: RR2 anyone? > Well, since I received so many requests for another ride like Saturday's relaxed ride, anyone up for RR2 on Saturday, September 9? We could do it the weekend before, but figure a lot of people will be vacationing for the long labor day weekend...any thoughts? > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 10:54:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EEsu804458 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07993 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:54:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:54:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question In-Reply-To: <3997FB76.9790FE3D@trw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 66 to 110 to 395 to Pennsylvania Ave to 295 to rt 50? On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Randy Moran wrote: > Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:00:22 -0400 > From: Randy Moran > To: DC Cycles > Subject: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question > > Hey All, > > I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a fair amount of time on the beltway > so here's a question for you. Given non-rushhour traffic, what is the > quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to the RT.50 exit in MD; the Inner Loop > (North on 495) or the Outer Loop (South on 495)? It looks pretty even to > me on the map with the northern route maybe getting the nod. Also, does > anyone have an opinion as to the distance saved (within the circle of > the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to the Outer Loop? > > I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in combat with my Father in > Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this one...: ) > > Thanks, > Randy Moran > > > > > > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 11:11:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aba.com (mail.aba.com [198.242.42.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7EFBs804741 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ABAOF40-Message_Server by aba.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:10:48 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:10:16 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: , Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_2A7286E8.B8D9B3B9" This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_2A7286E8.B8D9B3B9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Randy, I drive the Beltway on an almost daily basis. I live in Reston and = travel to Landover MD. If I were you I would travel the inner loop the = total distance can't be more than 35 miles to route 50. I also have friend = that lives in Bowie and from his house to mine in Reston isn't more than = 43 miles. I usually use PA ave. as my decision line when travel the beltway. >>> Randy Moran 08/14/00 10:00AM >>> Hey All, I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a fair amount of time on the beltway so here's a question for you. Given non-rushhour traffic, what is the quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to the RT.50 exit in MD; the Inner Loop (North on 495) or the Outer Loop (South on 495)? It looks pretty even to me on the map with the northern route maybe getting the nod. Also, does anyone have an opinion as to the distance saved (within the circle of the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to the Outer Loop? I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in combat with my Father in Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this one...: ) Thanks, Randy Moran --=_2A7286E8.B8D9B3B9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML
Randy, I drive the Beltway on an almost daily basis. I = live in=20 Reston and travel to Landover  MD. If I were you I would travel the = inner=20 loop the total distance can't be more than 35 miles to route 50. I = also=20 have friend that lives in Bowie and from his house to mine in Reston isn't = more=20 than 43 miles.
 
I usually use PA ave. as my decision line = when=20 travel the beltway.

>>> Randy Moran <Randy.Moran@XXXXXX> 08/14/00 = 10:00AM=20 >>>
Hey All,

I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a = fair=20 amount of time on the beltway
so here's a question for you. Given=20 non-rushhour traffic, what is the
quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to = the=20 RT.50 exit in MD; the Inner Loop
(North on 495) or the Outer Loop = (South on=20 495)? It looks pretty even to
me on the map with the northern route = maybe=20 getting the nod. Also, does
anyone have an opinion as to the distance = saved=20 (within the circle of
the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to = the=20 Outer Loop?

I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in combat = with my=20 Father in
Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this one...:=20= )

Thanks,
Randy Moran






--=_2A7286E8.B8D9B3B9-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 11:12:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EFCQ804817 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:11:58 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B86F4@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Dan Brown'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:02:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Randy: I would not recommend this route untell you are very familar with VA-DC. For example, getting from 100 to 395 requires a turn off into Pentagon City. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Brown [SMTP:brown@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 10:55 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question > > > 66 to 110 to 395 to Pennsylvania Ave to 295 to rt 50? > > > On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Randy Moran wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:00:22 -0400 > > From: Randy Moran > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question > > > > Hey All, > > > > I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a fair amount of time on the beltway > > so here's a question for you. Given non-rushhour traffic, what is the > > quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to the RT.50 exit in MD; the Inner Loop > > (North on 495) or the Outer Loop (South on 495)? It looks pretty even to > > me on the map with the northern route maybe getting the nod. Also, does > > anyone have an opinion as to the distance saved (within the circle of > > the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to the Outer Loop? > > > > I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in combat with my Father in > > Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this one...: ) > > > > Thanks, > > Randy Moran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 11:15:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EFFR804902 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA1397792 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39980D0B.FDB79122@radix.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:15:23 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question References: <3997FB76.9790FE3D@trw.com> <399800AA.99EA9688@radix.net> <39980416.38B81FD9@trw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy Moran wrote: > > Heheh...Dave, as a person who doesn't spend more than an hour or two on the > Beltway during the course of a month Rub it in Randy. Sheesh. I try to help, & you go and twist the knife... , I must say that your response is a thing > of beauty. It captures all of the paranoia and self doubt that hours spent in > traffic must create. ; ) "'bail out' routes", "verification of traffic status", > "verified escape > plan"...this stuff is great! A wise man once told me : 'Son, an ounce of Preparation H is worth a ton of cure'... > > Seriously though, thanks for taking the time to answer. I think you actally > backed up my opinion this specific case. I forgot about the last scenario ; let's say you need to get from 66 to just over the WW bridge, and there's a backup at say Braddock to Springfield, but the WW bridge is clear - Take the Unfairtax county parkway from 66 to it's terminus and follow the traffic light left, staying in the right lane. Take a right at the Franconia road light. follow to the end. Turn left onto telegraph. As you make the turn onto Telegraph, observe the Beltway (the bridge is in your immediate line of sight, and so is the exit) If traffic is crawling, take a right at the last light before the beltway exit. Follow past the Huntington Metro station on the right, all the way to the traffic light, turn left on to rt 1, & get on the beltway there. It sounds convoluted, but it really is faster when there's heavy traffic at I 95. HTH. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 11:16:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EFGX804922 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.11] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:16:18 -0700 Received: from navieg1 ([129.193.4.9]) by navieg3.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:17:44 0000 (GMT) Received: (from RESVA-MS6 [158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 61) with SMTP id M2000081408165106617 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:16:51 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:15:49 -0400 Message-Id: <39980D54.39DDB9F9@trw.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:16:37 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question References: <3997FB76.9790FE3D@trw.com> <399800AA.99EA9688@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To clarify my original question (because Dave's answer made me realize the numerous variables involved): I was returning from the beach on this past Saturday morning. At the junction of 495 and 50 I decided to take the Inner Loop (toward the WW bridge) instead of the Outer Loop, figuring that if the distance around the circle was a wash, the inner loop would get me to the 66 West exit more quickly. There was no traffic to speak of (at around 10 am) though I encountered a slight delay at the WW bridge, apparently while people girded themselves psychologically for the traumatic "no shoulder, narrow lane, omigod it's so high up here" experience. Anyway, I made it to 66 in pretty good time, more quickly (I think) than I would have taking the outer loop. It always seems to me that, no matter how light the traffic, the area near the Morman temple always gets backed up because of the curves. People are always riding the brakes and there's always some dick in the left lane having a cow about the freaking curves. they're just curves people!! get on the f***ing gas!!! Sorry... Anywhoo, the father in law was an hour or so behind us and decided to take the "undisputedly shorter" northern route, came upon an accident, spent an hour at a crawl, then tried to tell me that the Outer loop from 50 is the way to go (if there are no accidents, I guess is what he means). I think he's full of shit. I was just curious as to others' experiences on these particular routes. The ones that go cross-town are beyond the scope of this question BTW. Thanks to all who've replied. Randy From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 11:23:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f127.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.127]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EFNi804999 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:23:27 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Robert Keiser" To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Subject: RR1 a success Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:23:27 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2000 15:23:27.0418 (UTC) FILETIME=[982DC9A0:01C00603] Good tip, thanks. I also heard that rubber cement might work. Will have to try something since the VFR kinda likes triple digits. >From: Dale Horstman >To: Robert Keiser >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Subject: RR1 a success >Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:13:09 -0400 > >Robert Keiser wrote: > > > Oh, and as a public service to all other riders with one of those >reflective > > Halo's on their helmets....take it from me, they don't like triple >digits on > > the speedo. > >If you are like me and put the helmet halo on and don't ever remove it, >glue stik's really, really work well to semi-permanently attach the halo >to a typical motorcycle helmet. I was surprised how well the glue-stik >held. > >Now that I've got the Nolan flip-face, I can't use a halo. Bummer. > >Horkster >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > >1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer >1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 11:26:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EFQt805012 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA1420870 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39980FB1.B66DE478@radix.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:26:41 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question References: <3997FB76.9790FE3D@trw.com> <399800AA.99EA9688@radix.net> <39980D54.39DDB9F9@trw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy Moran wrote: > > To clarify my original question (because Dave's answer made me realize the > numerous variables involved): > > I was returning from the beach on this past Saturday morning. At the junction > of 495 and 50 I decided to take the Inner Loop (toward the WW bridge) instead > of the Outer Loop, figuring that if the distance around the circle was a wash, > the inner loop would get me to the 66 West exit more quickly. There was no > traffic to speak of (at around 10 am) though I encountered a slight delay at > the WW bridge, apparently while people girded themselves psychologically for > the traumatic "no shoulder, narrow lane, omigod it's so high up here" > experience. Anyway, I made it to 66 in pretty good time, more quickly (I think) > than I would have taking the outer loop. It always seems to me that, no matter > how light the traffic, the area near the Morman temple always gets backed up > because of the curves. People are always riding the brakes and there's always > some dick in the left lane having a cow about the freaking curves. > they're just curves people!! get on the f***ing gas!!! Sorry... > > Anywhoo, the father in law was an hour or so behind us and decided to take the > "undisputedly shorter" northern route, came upon an accident, spent an hour at > a crawl, then tried to tell me that the Outer loop from 50 is the way to go Randy, ? for you - What's the difference between a Father in law, & a bucket of $hit ? answer: The bucket. (if > there are no accidents, I guess is what he means). I think he's full of shit. See, You've realized already what I just asked you above :-) I > was just curious as to others' experiences on these particular routes. The ones > that go cross-town are beyond the scope of this question BTW. Thanks to all > who've replied. > > Randy I'm with you Randy, Yours is the superior intellect, your B.O.$. , well, we already discussed that.... ;-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 12:05:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com (oak.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7EG5k805786 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA08323; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:04:36 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma003456; Mon, 14 Aug 00 12:01:39 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FZA00BA6HZ1DY@XXXXXX>; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 8525693B.00582249 ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:02:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:00:24 -0400 Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question To: Dan Brown Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525693B.005806D0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL I prefer ... 66 across the roosevelt briidge, exit Independance ave, skirt up between the monuments and take the 12th St on ramp, then follow your instructions. --chris Dan Brown on 08/14/2000 10:54:47 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question 66 to 110 to 395 to Pennsylvania Ave to 295 to rt 50? On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Randy Moran wrote: > Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:00:22 -0400 > From: Randy Moran > To: DC Cycles > Subject: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question > > Hey All, > > I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a fair amount of time on the beltway > so here's a question for you. Given non-rushhour traffic, what is the > quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to the RT.50 exit in MD; the Inner Loop > (North on 495) or the Outer Loop (South on 495)? It looks pretty even to > me on the map with the northern route maybe getting the nod. Also, does > anyone have an opinion as to the distance saved (within the circle of > the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to the Outer Loop? > > I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in combat with my Father in > Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this one...: ) > > Thanks, > Randy Moran > > > > > > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 12:27:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EGQw806294 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 5.fb.9d363de (4332); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:21:16 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:21:15 EDT Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 Heh... after reading all the responses, I think just about EVERY way through the region has been desrcibed. Since i go this way almost weekly to get out to speedwerks in DE, I can offer some insight: The trick is... going out and coming back are two different things if you're gonna go through the city. Coming back, I'd take Rt50 past the beltway interchange and catch 295s to the WW bridge, then around the inner loop to 66. Nine times out of ten, Iv'e found this to be the quickest and traffic/accident free route. Also cuts a couple miles off the trip as it's more of a straight line. Going out... I used to go the 395n, freeway/295, rt50e route untill they tore the hell outa 395 after the 14th street bridge - construction there now makes it ALWAYS backed up. Unfortunatly, the WW bridge is also always backed up is seems (even at noon, usually due to accident/construction/opening). I usually end up going 395s through the city as you can take the non-rush open HOV lanes across the other bridge and avoid much of the backup caused by merging and construction on 395 and the 14th street bridge. ::shrug:: in other words... it's all a crap shoot :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 12:41:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EGff806546 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-217-102.s102.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.217.102] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13ONIv-0005TY-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:41:38 -0400 Message-ID: <021701c0060d$f43c2de0$17d63ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <3997FB76.9790FE3D@trw.com> <399800AA.99EA9688@radix.net> <39980D54.39DDB9F9@trw.com> Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:35:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Moran Cc: DC Cycles Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 11:16 AM Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question Anyway, I made it to 66 in pretty good time, more quickly (I think) > than I would have taking the outer loop. It always seems to me that, no matter > how light the traffic, the area near the Mormon temple always gets backed up > because of the curves. People are always riding the brakes and there's always > some dick in the left lane having a cow about the freaking curves. You bring up a good point. A lot of the backups in Maryland are due to very poor highway engineering, especially the S curves in the Silver Spring area. I don't know what they were thinking when they laid it out. Homer and Mabel out for a Sunday drive in the Buick I guess. I avoid the Maryland northern Beltway segment, especially the Inner Loop between the 270 split and Georgia Avenue. In my opinion, you're often better off going through DC (395, Barney Circle, Sousa Bridge to DC295 North) if the WW Bridge is backed up, although 395 in DC is usually a clusterf*&$ right now due to lanes out of service at 7th St. SW and perpetual construction in Southeast. For whatever reason it seems to be worse westbound than eastbound. Of course, in typical DC fashion, you can't use that route to come back west, because there is NO EXIT from southbound DC295 (Kenilworth Ave.) to westbound Pa. Ave. This is the proverbial missing link (proposed Barney Circle Freeway) that was never completed and, thanks to Eleanor Holmes Norton, never will be. [Just expressing fact here, not opinion, BTW.] To come west you need to get off at East Capitol St., pick your way around RFK and ride/drive through the surface streets of Capitol Hill to get to 395. Coming west you're almost better off staying on NY Ave. to the Third St. tunnel (395) or stay on 295 and follow the signs for downtown (South Capitol St. bridge). There's a connecting exit just after the 11th St. Bridge, down by the Anacostia Metro. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 12:42:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EGgZ806622 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:41:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: stolen gear - cross post Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:41:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain R6 Lady said, . . . "I went to Chesapeake Beach (yes, Calvert County) on Monday, and someone stole my Shoei helmet, Olympia gloves, & First Gear leather jacket off my bike . . . so, if you see my gear in the street on an able body or for sale, keep your eyes open & beat um down for me! Is that the American way or what?! (my helmet has the USA flag on it)" That sux. FWIW, I stick a bicycle cable lock in my tank bag when I know I'll be leaving my gear on the bike. Then I thread it through a sleeve, a pant's leg, the helmet, and around the triple clamp. A serious thief could cut the cable - but then there's easier stuff around. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 12:43:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from portal.east.saic.com (portal.east.saic.com [198.151.13.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7EGgx806632 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mclmx.saic.com by portal.east.saic.com via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 14 Aug 2000 16:42:59 UT Received: from [149.8.64.19] by mclmx.mail.saic.com; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:41:55 -0400 Received: from mcl-its-exbh01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.11]) by 149.8.64.19 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:38:26 0000 (GMT) Received: by mcl-its-exbh01.saic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:41:57 -0400 Message-Id: <6B3D994408CBD11182B300805F15FCBB01D9132B@us-mclean-03.mail.saic.com> From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Update on PCP riders Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:41:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I debated about the possibility of getting my work email intermingled with this list, but this bit of info is interesting given the heated discussion that transpired around the cop chase after that guy on PCP that ultimately ended in a wreck with the passenger dying and the driver in the hospital. I spoke again with the person that knows someone who knows the cop on the scene (note: "grapevine" disclaimer is in effect) and it turns out that both driver and passenger were male. One African American, one Caucasian. Both were on PCP. The police had received reports about this bike driving recklessly, including triple-digit speeds and going the wrong-way on a highway before the cops ever gave chase. NOT trying to restart any debates, just thought that was interesting information about the topic. Matt Matthew M. Pflieger Operations Controller SAIC Information Technology Solutions Group 1710 SAIC Drive McLean, VA 22101 703-676-5013 pfliegerma@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 13:13:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EHDi807268 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:11:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:11:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Paul wrote: "Of course, in typical DC fashion, you can't use that route to come back west, because there is NO EXIT from southbound DC295 (Kenilworth Ave.) to westbound Pa. Ave." Go one stop past the Penn. Ave (East) exit, and get off there (Howard Street?), turning right at the T-stop to get to 395, and all points in the city and south of it. Erik -----Original Message----- From: Paul A. Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 12:36 PM To: dc cycles Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Moran Cc: DC Cycles Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 11:16 AM Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question Anyway, I made it to 66 in pretty good time, more quickly (I think) > than I would have taking the outer loop. It always seems to me that, no matter > how light the traffic, the area near the Mormon temple always gets backed up > because of the curves. People are always riding the brakes and there's always > some dick in the left lane having a cow about the freaking curves. You bring up a good point. A lot of the backups in Maryland are due to very poor highway engineering, especially the S curves in the Silver Spring area. I don't know what they were thinking when they laid it out. Homer and Mabel out for a Sunday drive in the Buick I guess. I avoid the Maryland northern Beltway segment, especially the Inner Loop between the 270 split and Georgia Avenue. In my opinion, you're often better off going through DC (395, Barney Circle, Sousa Bridge to DC295 North) if the WW Bridge is backed up, although 395 in DC is usually a clusterf*&$ right now due to lanes out of service at 7th St. SW and perpetual construction in Southeast. For whatever reason it seems to be worse westbound than eastbound. Of course, in typical DC fashion, you can't use that route to come back west, because there is NO EXIT from southbound DC295 (Kenilworth Ave.) to westbound Pa. Ave. This is the proverbial missing link (proposed Barney Circle Freeway) that was never completed and, thanks to Eleanor Holmes Norton, never will be. [Just expressing fact here, not opinion, BTW.] To come west you need to get off at East Capitol St., pick your way around RFK and ride/drive through the surface streets of Capitol Hill to get to 395. Coming west you're almost better off staying on NY Ave. to the Third St. tunnel (395) or stay on 295 and follow the signs for downtown (South Capitol St. bridge). There's a connecting exit just after the 11th St. Bridge, down by the Anacostia Metro. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 13:28:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7EHSZ807508 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Mon Aug 14 10:28:07 2000 To: "dc cycles" , "Paul A. Wilson" Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:28:07 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:35:54 Paul A. Wilson wrote: >be worse westbound than eastbound. Of course, in typical DC fashion, you >can't use that route to come back west, because there is NO EXIT from >southbound DC295 (Kenilworth Ave.) to ... come west you need to get off >at East Capitol St., pick your way around RFK and ride/drive through the >surface streets of Capitol Hill to get to 395. Actually I think there's a better way. Stay on 295 (DC) south. Go under the 395 overpass, and take the very next exit. At this juncture 295 is now I-295. Stay in the left lane on the ramp. Take the left at the traffic light (dead end), go under 295 and make the left back ONTO 295. This time headed north. Go about a mile and change and you can take the 295 N to 395S split. Wala! You're headed into DC, the bridge and the Pentagon/Crystal city. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 14:12:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EICi808751 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-238-7.s261.tnt9.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.238.7]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13OOj2-0005pM-00; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:12:41 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Custer, Carl" Cc: "'DCCy'" Subject: Re: stolen gear - cross post Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:17:55 GMT Message-ID: <399861de.59002252@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7EICp808752 I do the same thing... except i've been locking to less secure parts of the bike. i think i'll use the tripple clamp now. thanks! From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 15:15:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EJF9809911 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.7f.8502369 (4009) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:14:59 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7f.8502369.26c99f32@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:14:58 EDT Subject: Re: stolen gear - cross post To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 In a message dated 8/14/00 12:44:09 Eastern Daylight Time, Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: > FWIW, I stick a bicycle cable lock in my tank bag when I know I'll be > leaving my gear on the bike. > Then I thread it through a sleeve, a pant's leg, the helmet, and around the > triple clamp. A serious thief could cut the cable - but then there's easier > stuff around. Ditto - even with the mega bags on my scoot, the cable lock is worth it. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 15:15:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EJFe809916 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 5.b8.9dc8b33 (4009); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:13:19 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:13:19 EDT Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 According to Street Atlas, the southern loop is 34.7 miles and the northern loop is 30 miles. Based on experience, I'd take the southern loop is I was in a hurry Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 15:25:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EJPC810052 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gen2.ffx.ops.us.uu.net by wodc7mr1.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: intcache02.uu.net [153.39.50.42]) id QQjcgb00846 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:24:48 GMT Received: from usashexims01.corp.us.uu.net by gen2.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.80.14]) id QQjcgb23341 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:22:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Saturday's ride Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:22:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all, I had a blast on Saturday and hope everyone else did, too. Great weather, great company and beautiful scenery. Leaders...sweepers...all excellent! I also really admire those riders who show up for the trips who've never met any of the other riders! I hope you felt welcome and look forward to seeing you again soon. Harold...can't wait to see you on that new VFR!! :) Sally '98 GS500E p.s. I'd always hoped that if my bike fell over, it would in the presence of a bunch of fellow DC-Cycles riders.......NOT!! Thanks Corbin, for picking it up while I just stood there in a daze! From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 15:36:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7EJaU810457 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Mon Aug 14 12:29:54 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:12:09 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF57A7@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Changing e-mail Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:08:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just wanted to let anyone who's interested know that after tomorrow, I will no longer be at this e-mail address. Actually, I probably won't be reading much e-mail tomorrow anyway. I'm not sure what my new e-mail address will be, nor am I sure that they will approve of my getting DC Cycles list mail delivered there, so I will be re-subscribing using my Hotmail account. For those of you who might be interested in keeping tabs on me, you can update your address book entry for me to be perrycoleman@XXXXXX Do not use perry_coleman@XXXXXX after today. Oh, and for those interested, the new job is in Herndon, out near Dulles, so if you see a black Concours (or a pink/purple ZX-6) tooling out the Toll road in the morning and back in the evening, that'll be me. Perry From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 15:37:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EJax810467 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:36:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200008141536.AA65339788@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question X-Mailer: I prefer: 66 to 110 to 395 to S. Capitol St. to Suitland Parkway to ? to Beltway outer loop. Chris Norloff ? is the last traffic light before crossing under the Beltway - I can't remember the road's name - Forest-something maybe. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Dan Brown Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:54:47 -0400 (EDT) > >66 to 110 to 395 to Pennsylvania Ave to 295 to rt 50? > > >On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Randy Moran wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:00:22 -0400 >> From: Randy Moran >> To: DC Cycles >> Subject: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question >> >> Hey All, >> >> I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a fair amount of time on the beltway >> so here's a question for you. Given non-rushhour traffic, what is the >> quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to the RT.50 exit in MD; the Inner Loop >> (North on 495) or the Outer Loop (South on 495)? It looks pretty even to >> me on the map with the northern route maybe getting the nod. Also, does >> anyone have an opinion as to the distance saved (within the circle of >> the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to the Outer Loop? >> >> I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in combat with my Father in >> Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this one...: ) >> >> Thanks, >> Randy Moran >> >> >> >> >> >> > >-- >Dan Brown >brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 15:45:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EJj0810649 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-24.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.216]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06077; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399877BC.91F89EB7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:50:36 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Wood, Sally" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Saturday's ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally, When did you bike fall/tip over??? Chuck "Wood, Sally" wrote : > > p.s. I'd always hoped that if my bike fell over, it would in the presence > of a bunch of fellow DC-Cycles riders.......NOT!! Thanks Corbin, for > picking it up while I just stood there in a daze! From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 16:09:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7EK9a811090 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 22278 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2000 13:09:28 -0700 Date: 14 Aug 2000 13:09:28 -0700 Message-ID: <20000814200928.22277.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Aug 2000 20:09:28 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Aug 2000 13:09:28 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: swood@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: Re: Saturday's ride On Mon, 14 August 2000, "Wood, Sally" wrote: Sally's still in a daze, she meants thanks to corbett. :-) > > Hi all, > > I had a blast on Saturday and hope everyone else did, too. Great weather, > great company and beautiful scenery. Leaders...sweepers...all excellent! I > also really admire those riders who show up for the trips who've never met > any of the other riders! I hope you felt welcome and look forward to seeing > you again soon. Harold...can't wait to see you on that new VFR!! :) > > Sally > '98 GS500E > > p.s. I'd always hoped that if my bike fell over, it would in the presence > of a bunch of fellow DC-Cycles riders.......NOT!! Thanks Corbin, for > picking it up while I just stood there in a daze! ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 16:23:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EKNQ811360 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-48.patriot.net [209.249.180.48]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7EKMt103206; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:22:55 -0400 Message-ID: <3998532F.D976D7EF@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:14:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Moran CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question References: <3997FB76.9790FE3D@trw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a note: *winning* against the F-I-L may require losing - very gracefully. Bill Randy Moran wrote: > Hey All, > > I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a fair amount of time on the beltway > so here's a question for you. Given non-rushhour traffic, what is the > quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to the RT.50 exit in MD; the Inner Loop > (North on 495) or the Outer Loop (South on 495)? It looks pretty even to > me on the map with the northern route maybe getting the nod. Also, does > anyone have an opinion as to the distance saved (within the circle of > the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to the Outer Loop? > > I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in combat with my Father in > Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this one...: ) > > Thanks, > Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 16:28:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7EKSa811451 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 9880 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2000 13:28:29 -0700 Date: 14 Aug 2000 13:28:29 -0700 Message-ID: <20000814202829.9879.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Aug 2000 20:28:29 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 14 Aug 2000 13:28:29 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: RR2 with a twist sorry for two posts in one day, but after talking to Chuck, we've decided on the following: DC-Cycles ride, Saturday, September 9 Two groups: Laura to lead the relaxed riders Chuck to lead the more "spirited" riders The relaxed riders will take fun roads that are suitable for sport bikes or cruisers, and we won't be going any more than 10-15 mph over the posted speed limit. The "spirited" riders will be taking roads more suitable for the speed and agility of sport bikes. I plead the fifth on their speeds... We will all start off in the same spot, meet at certain places along the way (if chuck and i can figure this out) and end up at the same place for lunch--although the spirited riders will probably be done eating, smoking their cigarettes, and already starting their afternoon naps by the time the relaxed riders get there...but that's ok--we'll have seen a lot more scenery than they will have. ;-) so, for now, mark your calendars for the 9th. more details to follow soon. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 16:43:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7EKhr811719 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18296 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2000 20:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.36.153.179) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2000 20:43:04 -0000 Message-ID: <399859F0.D1E95229@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:43:28 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR2 with a twist References: <20000814202829.9879.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > sorry for two posts in one day, Oh yeah, you are way too noisy. Off with her head! :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 16:50:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7-2.corprelay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-2.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EKoE812114 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net by wodc7mr2.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.7.41]) id QQjcgh21537; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:50:11 GMT Received: from usashexims03.corp.us.uu.net by gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.80.15]) id QQjcgh08261; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:46:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'LAURA GRANATO'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Saturday's ride Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:46:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There you have it...the second most embarassing thing that's happened to me this week!! ;) -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:09 PM To: swood@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday's ride On Mon, 14 August 2000, "Wood, Sally" wrote: Sally's still in a daze, she meants thanks to corbett. :-) > > Hi all, > > I had a blast on Saturday and hope everyone else did, too. Great weather, > great company and beautiful scenery. Leaders...sweepers...all excellent! I > also really admire those riders who show up for the trips who've never met > any of the other riders! I hope you felt welcome and look forward to seeing > you again soon. Harold...can't wait to see you on that new VFR!! :) > > Sally > '98 GS500E > > p.s. I'd always hoped that if my bike fell over, it would in the presence > of a bunch of fellow DC-Cycles riders.......NOT!! Thanks Corbin, for > picking it up while I just stood there in a daze! ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 16:52:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EKqV812202 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20634; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 2000081416522112:31788 ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:52:21 -0400 Message-ID: <39985C86.4A878577@mitretek.org> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:54:30 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Reply-To: krogish@XXXXXX Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR2 with a twist References: <20000814202829.9879.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/14/2000 04:52:21 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/14/2000 04:52:22 PM, Serialize complete at 08/14/2000 04:52:22 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii YOWZERS!!!!! Another group ride that I'll have to miss. I will be in Bean Town that weekend, watching America's REAL team beat up on some lousy Yankee ars. :-) I will be at Bike Night this Sunday, though!!!!!!! :-) ps--- harmless enough, but annoying all the same, some jackass decided to unplug ALL 4 of my spark plugs Saturday night (Dewey). It didn't take me a horribly long time to figure out why the bike wasn't starting and to plug them back in, but still slightly unnerving... had some friends follow me home, to make sure that was the ONLY thing tampered with. Filled out a police report, but... grr!! Irritating. LAURA GRANATO wrote: > sorry for two posts in one day, but after talking to Chuck, we've decided on the following: > > DC-Cycles ride, Saturday, September 9 > > Two groups: > > Laura to lead the relaxed riders > Chuck to lead the more "spirited" riders > > The relaxed riders will take fun roads that are suitable for sport bikes or cruisers, and we won't be going any more than 10-15 mph over the posted speed limit. > > The "spirited" riders will be taking roads more suitable for the speed and agility of sport bikes. I plead the fifth on their speeds... > > We will all start off in the same spot, meet at certain places along the way (if chuck and i can figure this out) and end up at the same place for lunch--although the spirited riders will probably be done eating, smoking their cigarettes, and already starting their afternoon naps by the time the relaxed riders get there...but that's ok--we'll have seen a lot more scenery than they will have. ;-) > > so, for now, mark your calendars for the 9th. more details to follow soon. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 17:59:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ELxX813940 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-48.patriot.net [209.249.180.48]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7ELx5118137; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:59:05 -0400 Message-ID: <399869BA.9A07014E@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:50:50 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: krogish@XXXXXX CC: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR2 with a twist References: <20000814202829.9879.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <39985C86.4A878577@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What a dummy! You're supposed to mix the plug wires up so the bike won't start with no *obvious* reason. Then as Little Miss ponders her situation, you stroll up (flexing those pecs) and say "May I help you ma'am?" Not that *I* would ever do anything like that :-) Bill Kristina M. Rogish wrote: > YOWZERS!!!!! Another group ride that I'll have to miss. I will be in Bean Town that weekend, watching America's REAL team beat up on some lousy Yankee ars. :-) > > I will be at Bike Night this Sunday, though!!!!!!! :-) > > ps--- harmless enough, but annoying all the same, some jackass decided to unplug ALL 4 of my spark plugs Saturday night (Dewey). It didn't take me a horribly long time to figure out why the bike wasn't starting and to plug them back in, but still slightly unnerving... had some friends follow me home, to make sure that was the ONLY thing tampered with. Filled out a police report, but... grr!! > Irritating. > > LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > sorry for two posts in one day, but after talking to Chuck, we've decided on the following: > > > > DC-Cycles ride, Saturday, September 9 > > > > Two groups: > > > > Laura to lead the relaxed riders > > Chuck to lead the more "spirited" riders > > > > The relaxed riders will take fun roads that are suitable for sport bikes or cruisers, and we won't be going any more than 10-15 mph over the posted speed limit. > > > > The "spirited" riders will be taking roads more suitable for the speed and agility of sport bikes. I plead the fifth on their speeds... > > > > We will all start off in the same spot, meet at certain places along the way (if chuck and i can figure this out) and end up at the same place for lunch--although the spirited riders will probably be done eating, smoking their cigarettes, and already starting their afternoon naps by the time the relaxed riders get there...but that's ok--we'll have seen a lot more scenery than they will have. ;-) > > > > so, for now, mark your calendars for the 9th. more details to follow soon. > > > > Laura Granato > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 18:42:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7EMgg814704 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-136.cybercable.com [204.188.47.136]) by idalee.loudoun.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7EMfan19518 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399875DD.44B32FC@loudoun.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:42:57 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Reply-To: jmoran@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question References: <3997FB76.9790FE3D@trw.com> <3998532F.D976D7EF@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're right of course, Bill, but I had just finished a week in the same beach house with him, so I wasn't feeling especially diplomatic and neither was he I think. We kept our collective cool, though, and there was no blood spilt : ) Randy Bill Huson wrote: > Just a note: *winning* against the F-I-L may require losing - very > gracefully. > > Bill > > Randy Moran wrote: > > > Hey All, > > > > I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a fair amount of time on the beltway > > so here's a question for you. Given non-rushhour traffic, what is the > > quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to the RT.50 exit in MD; the Inner Loop > > (North on 495) or the Outer Loop (South on 495)? It looks pretty even to > > me on the map with the northern route maybe getting the nod. Also, does > > anyone have an opinion as to the distance saved (within the circle of > > the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to the Outer Loop? > > > > I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in combat with my Father in > > Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this one...: ) > > > > Thanks, > > Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 19:48:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ENms815861 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-57-251.s251.tnt2.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.57.251] helo=erols.com) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13OTyM-0001fB-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:48:51 -0400 Message-ID: <39988557.51B85246@erols.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:48:39 -0400 From: Tim Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: re: Christmas Tree in August Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Steven C. Di Pietro" wrote: > This was a wake up call, like no other! On my way to > work this morning, I was on the Beltway (659) and took my exit ramp, to > get on to RT. 295 to head into Baltimore. Well traffic on 295 moves very > fast. The right lane travels around 65 to 70 mph. NORMALLY. Well I'm on > the ramp at twice the speed, so I can merge cleanly. Am I misreading this? Does this indicate that you are on the ramp at 130-140 mph? If so.... (snippage) > Damn....... it was all over in probably, 2 or 3 seconds, and it > felt like a mainlined jolt of double expresso. > Keep you eyes open out there, as if your being hunted by assassins > operating those cages, and maybe you too, can live through the day. Be > careful out there. They're out to get'cha. .... and you're aiding & abetting!! Tim From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 19:52:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7ENqf815964 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.ce.94bfabb (8327); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:52:29 -0400 (EDT) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:52:29 EDT Subject: Any 97 TL1000S owners in DC Metro area? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, race@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Im looking for any 97 TLS owners in the DC Metro area who would be willing to lend me an hour of your time. I would like to borrow your stock ECU to test and make sure thats not causing my idling problem. Anybody who would be so kind as to help out a fellow TL rider, email me directly. Im located in Alexandria. Thanks in advance! From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 21:26:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7F1Qr817502 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-166.90.26.47.Washington1.Level3.net [166.90.26.47]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA21202; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" , "Balt-Cycles-l" , "D.C.Cycles-L" , "Katana-L" , , "Suzuki Owners Club Md." , "SuzukiBikes-L" , "Suzuki-l" , Subject: Good News, Bad News Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:18:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c00656$c4b62780$2f1a5aa6@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3997FA1C.AFAF54B9@peabody.jhu.edu> Well, the good news is I've finally got a replacement exhaust system ordered for my Superhawk. Sometime next week I'll be rollin' with a shiny new M4 full system with carbon cans! The bad news it wasn't without some frustration from these motorcycle parts companies. I've finally cooled down enough from this afternoon to leave out all the expletive, but let me say this: I will NEVER buy ANYTHING from STARYCYCLE ever. To make a long story very short they were extremely rude on the phone when I had a few questions about the exhaust systems before dropping a grand on one. The guy actually said "I don't have time for questions. I just need to make sales." Well I was pretty miffed even after hanging up on him and when I called back to tell a manager what had happened, the next guy told me that was what they were instructed to say to people. Company Policy of some sort. Well, I've been on these lists enough to know that very few people know everything there is to know about exhaust systems and I don't think having a few questions for the person you're about to hand so much money over to is too much to ask. Fortunately I ended up being referred to nwcycles.com and the guy was the complete opposite. I asked a question, he answered. He even said things like "hmm. let me check the dyno charts of these different brands for your bike." well I ordered from him. So, just wanted to pass that along. If you want to be treated like trash, call Starcycle. If you want to be able to ask questions before spending a grand, call northwest cycles. Matt From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 22:01:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com (web5201.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7F214818143 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000815020036.17162.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.84.77] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:00:36 PDT Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:00:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Randy, http://www.richmond.infi.net/~kozelsm/I495_VA_Desc.html and http://www.kurumi.com/roads/3di/i495.html You'll have to dig for the answers though and I'm not sure they're all there. Hey, it's 64 miles total! >From 66 & 495, I'd give the outer beltway the slight nod to Route 50 in MD...but the FASTEST route is THROUGH DC: 395 North to 295 North, New York Ave to Route 50 East. Works out well for the Friday afternoon RACE TO THE BEACH... ...and another thing... Dad-in-law has entirely too much time on his hands. ;-) Good Luck. -Corbett --- Randy Moran wrote: > Hey All, > > I know some of you DC-Cyclers spend a fair amount of > time on the beltway > so here's a question for you. Given non-rushhour > traffic, what is the > quickest way from U.S. 66 in VA to the RT.50 exit in > MD; the Inner Loop > (North on 495) or the Outer Loop (South on 495)? It > looks pretty even to > me on the map with the northern route maybe getting > the nod. Also, does > anyone have an opinion as to the distance saved > (within the circle of > the beltway) using the Inner Loop as opposed to the > Outer Loop? > > I know this is off the wall, but I'm locked in > combat with my Father in > Law and you don't know how badly I want to win this > one...: ) > > Thanks, > Randy Moran > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 22:35:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5203.mail.yahoo.com (web5203.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7F2ZI818797 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000815023511.22152.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.84.77] by web5203.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:35:11 PDT Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:35:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: RE: Saturday's ride To: "Wood, Sally" , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No problem Honey, I've been known to pick up MY OWN bikes on occasion. Of course, it's rarely first thing in the morning..it's usually a little later in the evening..sometime after happy hour.. Captain Morgan may be your best bud when you're cuttin' up in the bar..but he can't park your bike worth a sh#t! -Corbett '99 K1200RSwashbuckler --- "Wood, Sally" wrote: > There you have it...the second most embarassing > thing that's happened to me > this week!! ;) > > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:09 PM > To: swood@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Saturday's ride > > > On Mon, 14 August 2000, "Wood, Sally" wrote: > > Sally's still in a daze, she meants thanks to > corbett. :-) > > > > Hi all, > > > > I had a blast on Saturday and hope everyone else > did, too. Great weather, > > great company and beautiful scenery. > Leaders...sweepers...all excellent! > I > > also really admire those riders who show up for > the trips who've never met > > any of the other riders! I hope you felt welcome > and look forward to > seeing > > you again soon. Harold...can't wait to see you on > that new VFR!! :) > > > > Sally > > '98 GS500E > > > > p.s. I'd always hoped that if my bike fell over, > it would in the presence > > of a bunch of fellow DC-Cycles riders.......NOT!! > Thanks Corbin, for > > picking it up while I just stood there in a daze! > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 22:40:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com (web5201.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7F2eH818815 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000815024009.23291.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.84.77] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:40:09 PDT Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:40:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: RR2 with a twist To: krogish@XXXXXX, DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So..You DIDN't wake up with a banana in your tailpipe? :-0 -Corbett ps. Thanks for the warning for Sunday. --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > YOWZERS!!!!! Another group ride that I'll have to > miss. I will be in Bean Town that weekend, watching > America's REAL team beat up on some lousy Yankee > ars. :-) > > I will be at Bike Night this Sunday, though!!!!!!! > :-) > > ps--- harmless enough, but annoying all the same, > some jackass decided to unplug ALL 4 of my spark > plugs Saturday night (Dewey). It didn't take me a > horribly long time to figure out why the bike wasn't > starting and to plug them back in, but still > slightly unnerving... had some friends follow me > home, to make sure that was the ONLY thing tampered > with. Filled out a police report, but... grr!! > Irritating. > > LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > sorry for two posts in one day, but after talking > to Chuck, we've decided on the following: > > > > DC-Cycles ride, Saturday, September 9 > > > > Two groups: > > > > Laura to lead the relaxed riders > > Chuck to lead the more "spirited" riders > > > > The relaxed riders will take fun roads that are > suitable for sport bikes or cruisers, and we won't > be going any more than 10-15 mph over the posted > speed limit. > > > > The "spirited" riders will be taking roads more > suitable for the speed and agility of sport bikes. > I plead the fifth on their speeds... > > > > We will all start off in the same spot, meet at > certain places along the way (if chuck and i can > figure this out) and end up at the same place for > lunch--although the spirited riders will probably be > done eating, smoking their cigarettes, and already > starting their afternoon naps by the time the > relaxed riders get there...but that's ok--we'll have > seen a lot more scenery than they will have. ;-) > > > > so, for now, mark your calendars for the 9th. > more details to follow soon. > > > > Laura Granato > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Aug 14 22:52:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com (web5201.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7F2qI819047 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000815025212.24835.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.84.77] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:52:12 PDT Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:52:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Bike games To: Bill Huson , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Actually, I like to walk up to my buddys' Harley's, pour a little oil on the ground & throw a few nuts and bolts down next to their bike. Then when they get out of the bar ...I just look at them, look at the oil, then back at them..sigh heavily and reply with great disdain, "So how long is THIS gonna take?" Man, I'm glad they're not list members yet..I still have a few victims left. -Corbett '99 K1200RS-O-B --- Bill Huson wrote: > What a dummy! You're supposed to mix the plug wires > up so the bike won't start with no *obvious* reason. > Then as Little Miss ponders her situation, you > stroll up (flexing those pecs) and say "May I help > you ma'am?" > > Not that *I* would ever do anything like that :-) > > Bill > > > Kristina M. Rogish wrote: > > > YOWZERS!!!!! Another group ride that I'll have to > miss. I will be in Bean Town that weekend, watching > America's REAL team beat up on some lousy Yankee > ars. :-) > > > > I will be at Bike Night this Sunday, though!!!!!!! > :-) > > > > ps--- harmless enough, but annoying all the same, > some jackass decided to unplug ALL 4 of my spark > plugs Saturday night (Dewey). It didn't take me a > horribly long time to figure out why the bike wasn't > starting and to plug them back in, but still > slightly unnerving... had some friends follow me > home, to make sure that was the ONLY thing tampered > with. Filled out a police report, but... grr!! > > Irritating. > > > > LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > > > sorry for two posts in one day, but after > talking to Chuck, we've decided on the following: > > > > > > DC-Cycles ride, Saturday, September 9 > > > > > > Two groups: > > > > > > Laura to lead the relaxed riders > > > Chuck to lead the more "spirited" riders > > > > > > The relaxed riders will take fun roads that are > suitable for sport bikes or cruisers, and we won't > be going any more than 10-15 mph over the posted > speed limit. > > > > > > The "spirited" riders will be taking roads more > suitable for the speed and agility of sport bikes. > I plead the fifth on their speeds... > > > > > > We will all start off in the same spot, meet at > certain places along the way (if chuck and i can > figure this out) and end up at the same place for > lunch--although the spirited riders will probably be > done eating, smoking their cigarettes, and already > starting their afternoon naps by the time the > relaxed riders get there...but that's ok--we'll have > seen a lot more scenery than they will have. ;-) > > > > > > so, for now, mark your calendars for the 9th. > more details to follow soon. > > > > > > Laura Granato > > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > > http://www.peoplepc.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 02:12:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7F6Ct822791 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 02:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-238-7.s261.tnt9.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.238.7]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13OZy0-0004oO-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 02:12:52 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: beware bike jackers in dc Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:18:13 GMT Message-ID: <39990929.101835861@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7F6DJ822792 Tonight at around 10:45 p.m. i think it was, two young men came up to the parking lot of the exxon gas station at NY ave and bladensburg rd. (18-25 in age). One with the gun was thin, about 5-8. the other one was supposedly thickly built, as in muscular with some type of dreadlock or something hairdew. One was holding a handgun (south central, no aim style) held sideways and told everyone to get on the ground. Some people ran. Some people got on the ground. In the confusion, the two guys started up a yellow and black 2000 gsxr 750. rider got on without a helmet. passenger, with the gun grabbed a helmet and got on. The bike had a seat cowl on it and a carbon fiber pipe. If you see abike like that out of the ordinary... maybe you should have the police check it out. again it was yellow and black. it had hard tags, va plates. anyway if you ride a decent looking/model sportsbike around the area, beware of bike jackers. supposedly the dc police saw the bike and chased it on east capital street... the bike got away.. police broke off persuit becase at that time there was no report of a bike jacking and it was just a traffic violation. there were no shots fired, and luckily no one got hurt. The person who owned the bike had a previous accident or two, so on a good note, atleast they will get a new bike. Daniel watch out. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 07:00:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FB0g827476 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id r.76.2212adb (4402); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:00:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <76.2212adb.26ca7cc7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:00:23 EDT Subject: Re: non-moto - Beltway Commuting Question To: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 In a message dated 8/14/00 10:02:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX writes: << .but the FASTEST route is THROUGH DC: 395 North to 295 North, New York Ave to Route 50 East. >> Insane as it sounds, this is accurate. I use it frequently. The first few times may seem like a drag, but once it becomes second nature - Zip, like crap thru a goose. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 08:22:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f49.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FCM1828643 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 05:21:53 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RR2 anyone? Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:21:53 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2000 12:21:53.0772 (UTC) FILETIME=[657912C0:01C006B3] I'm in, and will even sweep again; provided we have your fine weather seal of approval! Rob Date: 14 Aug 2000 07:18:35 -0700 X-Sent: 14 Aug 2000 14:18:35 GMT Content-Disposition: inline To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Subject: RR2 anyone? Well, since I received so many requests for another ride like Saturday's relaxed ride, anyone up for RR2 on Saturday, September 9? We could do it the weekend before, but figure a lot of people will be vacationing for the long labor day weekend...any thoughts? Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 08:34:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f3.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FCYr828801 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 05:34:46 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR1 a success Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:34:46 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2000 12:34:46.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[3201F450:01C006B5] No worries at all. It just gave me a few extra miles on a beautiful day. Plus I got to hook up with a couple R6's on the way into DC and had some fun. I made it fine to Polly's and had a nice lunch. Speaking of DC, man do those roads suck ass! Any nominations for another post ride lunch place for RR2? (sorry Chuck) On another note, No, I wasn't trying for a Ducati look during RR1. (although my VFR has been mistaken for one before, by an idiot, LOL) I lost my left low beam somewhere along the ride, and then lost the other on the way home. I put the stockers back in, and I'm all set for Bike Night 5 at Carpool. See you then! Rob Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:40:18 -0400 From: vulgar_power X-Accept-Language: en CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR1 a success Hi all, Let me first say to Rob, I'm sorry for the belt way excursion. I honestly thought that you were directing me (us) that way. I thought, 495, ok maybe a short cut. But when we got into VA I knew something was up. Pulled off, talked to Rob and found out his ride sheet had come out of his tank bag somewhere, and he was following me. Mike was gonna bail at Polly's (things to do), and I was bummed about the group separation, so we told Rob we were sorry, and were gonna head back to Manassas. Secondly, to Michelle, Chuck, Laura and Rob, thanks for the great ride! Even with the, um, disappearance of the group at the last gas stop, it was a great day. Mike and I have both said that we will do future group rides. Great ride, great people, just what I had expected. -jay '00 Shadow CD ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 08:42:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FCft828883 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA44560 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:30:42 -0500 From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.35]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.92) with SMTP id IAA26838 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:41:52 -0400 Received: by d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525693C.0045BFEB ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:41:51 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525693C.0045BDF2.00@d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:41:43 -0400 Subject: Austrailian squid Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >From drive.com.au http://www.drive.com.au/news/default.asp?section=news&page=http://drive.fairfax.com.au/content/20000815/news/news3.html Motorbike rider too bold for the brass First Published: The Age Tuesday, August 15, 2000 By SUE CANT An L-plate motorcyclist did a wheelie for 15 metres before riding off at 145km/h in a 70km/h speed zone - all in front of Victoria's top traffic policeman, a court was told yesterday. Assistant Commissioner for Traffic Ray Shuey was waiting at an intersection in an unmarked car on November 25 last year when the motorcyclist sped off as the lights changed. Mr Shuey told Ringwood Magistrates Court that he chased the motorcyclist at speeds of up to 145km/h before pulling him over. The motorcyclist reached the high speeds within a kilometre of the traffic lights near Burwood Highway in the Melbourne suburb of East Burwood, the court was told. John Paroukas, 23, of Vermont, failed to appear at court yesterday after electing to contest the speeding charge. After pulling him over, Mr Shuey had given Paroukas a $360 on-the-spot fine and suspended his licence for six months. Magistrate Paul Smith said Paroukas had picked the wrong person to commit a traffic offence in front of. He fined him $300 and suspended all his licences for nine months. Regards, Tom Knapik '83 Honda CX650C E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 09:12:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FDCq829768 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 26402 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2000 06:12:44 -0700 Date: 15 Aug 2000 06:12:44 -0700 Message-ID: <20000815131244.26401.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 15 Aug 2000 13:12:44 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 15 Aug 2000 06:12:44 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: robert_keiser@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: RE: RR2 anyone? On Tue, 15 August 2000, "Robert Keiser" wrote: Yea! but I figured you'd probably want to ride with the "spirited" group????? > > I'm in, and will even sweep again; provided we have your fine weather seal > of approval! > > Rob > > > > Date: 14 Aug 2000 07:18:35 -0700 > X-Sent: 14 Aug 2000 14:18:35 GMT > Content-Disposition: inline > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: LAURA GRANATO > Subject: RR2 anyone? > > Well, since I received so many requests for another ride like Saturday's > relaxed ride, anyone up for RR2 on Saturday, September 9? We could do it > the weekend before, but figure a lot of people will be vacationing for the > long labor day weekend...any thoughts? > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 09:17:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FDHK800207 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 26517 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2000 06:17:07 -0700 Date: 15 Aug 2000 06:17:07 -0700 Message-ID: <20000815131707.26516.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 15 Aug 2000 13:17:07 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 15 Aug 2000 06:17:07 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: parking question I know it's been discussed before, but I'm asking again anyway...sorry! Got to work this morning and they are installing parking gates for the garage where I work, and a huge sticker on it saying "no motorcycles." OK, I f*&%ing work in this building and they are paying for a spot for me, so what's the difference if I park my bike or my cage? Who do I take this up with? has anyone fought this battle and won? If so, what did you say/do to make it happen? TIA. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 09:23:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FDNq800399 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:22:59 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B871A@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'LAURA GRANATO'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: parking question Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:13:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Can you fit around the gates? Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [SMTP:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 9:17 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: parking question > > I know it's been discussed before, but I'm asking again anyway...sorry! > > Got to work this morning and they are installing parking gates for the > garage where I work, and a huge sticker on it saying "no motorcycles." > OK, I f*&%ing work in this building and they are paying for a spot for me, > so what's the difference if I park my bike or my cage? > > Who do I take this up with? has anyone fought this battle and won? If > so, what did you say/do to make it happen? TIA. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 09:24:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FDO0800401 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000815132344.23509.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.11.25] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 06:23:44 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 06:23:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: parking question To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You can read the AMA article about parking gates at: http://www.amadirectlink.com/magazine/2000/story2ma.html They have a few suggestions. Louis --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > I know it's been discussed before, but I'm asking again anyway...sorry! > > Got to work this morning and they are installing parking gates for the garage > where I work, and a huge sticker on it saying "no motorcycles." OK, I > f*&%ing work in this building and they are paying for a spot for me, so > what's the difference if I park my bike or my cage? > > Who do I take this up with? has anyone fought this battle and won? If so, > what did you say/do to make it happen? TIA. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 09:25:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FDP8800500 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-31.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.223]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA31126; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39997010.1067930E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:30:08 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Glenn Braunstein (W)" Subject: Re: RR2 with a twist References: <20000814202829.9879.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One minor correction. I am going to help organize both routes. However, I am trying to talk Glenn Braunstein into leading the "spirited" group. The route I have in mind is a variation of one I've ridden with Glenn previously. Plus he is a much faster rider than me! %^) And I would enjoy just riding rather than leading for a change. Some details... The likely starting point will be the Sheetz in Haymarket at the intersection of 55 and 15. Both groups will travel some of the same roads, but won't be on identical routes. The "sprited" ride will probably be longer mileage. Just trying to figure out where to do lunch. Chuck LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > sorry for two posts in one day, but after talking to Chuck, we've decided on the following: > > DC-Cycles ride, Saturday, September 9 > > Two groups: > > Laura to lead the relaxed riders > Chuck to lead the more "spirited" riders > > The relaxed riders will take fun roads that are suitable for sport bikes or cruisers, and we won't be going any more than 10-15 mph over the posted speed limit. > > The "spirited" riders will be taking roads more suitable for the speed and agility of sport bikes. I plead the fifth on their speeds... > > We will all start off in the same spot, meet at certain places along the way (if chuck and i can figure this out) and end up at the same place for lunch--although the spirited riders will probably be done eating, smoking their cigarettes, and already starting their afternoon naps by the time the relaxed riders get there...but that's ok--we'll have seen a lot more scenery than they will have. ;-) > > so, for now, mark your calendars for the 9th. more details to follow soon. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 09:33:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FDXO800774 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 26783 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2000 06:33:17 -0700 Date: 15 Aug 2000 06:33:17 -0700 Message-ID: <20000815133317.26782.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 15 Aug 2000 13:33:17 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 15 Aug 2000 06:33:17 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: RE: parking question On Tue, 15 August 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Can you fit around the gates? > not sure yet. they are still in the process of building the contraption. lol. they only have the boxes in...no gates or anything yet. But the way the garage is layed out...I don't think once the gates are in I'll be able to sneak around them. Not that I would EVER do something like that. lol. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LAURA GRANATO [SMTP:lgranato@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 9:17 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: parking question > > > > I know it's been discussed before, but I'm asking again anyway...sorry! > > > > Got to work this morning and they are installing parking gates for the > > garage where I work, and a huge sticker on it saying "no motorcycles." > > OK, I f*&%ing work in this building and they are paying for a spot for me, > > so what's the difference if I park my bike or my cage? > > > > Who do I take this up with? has anyone fought this battle and won? If > > so, what did you say/do to make it happen? TIA. > > > > Laura Granato > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 09:36:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FDab800855 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 26831 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2000 06:36:31 -0700 Date: 15 Aug 2000 06:36:31 -0700 Message-ID: <20000815133631.26830.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 15 Aug 2000 13:36:31 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 15 Aug 2000 06:36:31 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: fearless leader needed Glen, Bryan, Rob, someone.... Chuck found out he can't be at the ride on the 9th. :-( Anyone out there volunteer to lead the "spirited" group for me?????? :-) Please, please, pretty please....don't make me beg. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 09:39:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FDdT800865 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id p.6e.224f390 (4329); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:39:05 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6e.224f390.26caa1f8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:39:04 EDT Subject: Re: parking question To: lgranato@XXXXXX, Mkitchell@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Folks... the "no motorcycles" thing on gates is a pure CYA on the gate manufacturer's part. At AOL, we have these gates at every entrance to the compound... my bike goes under them just fine. Same deal at pentagon city - the only lot for the mall is gated in the same way. I've never had a problem with parking gates in my 12 years of riding. (Of course, typing this means I'll get whomped today on my way through) Just duck and hit the gas if you happen to see something big, wooden, and orange headed toward your head... :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 09:47:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FDlJ801021 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA17339; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:42:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "LAURA GRANATO" , Cc: Subject: RE: parking question Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:46:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20000815133317.26782.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> I used to work at a building on Democracy Ave. that had gates controlled by key cards. At first I used my key card every time, but it got to be a real hurry to get the key card back in a pocket, bike in gear, and move forward before the gate came down again. I almost got decapitated once, and after that I just rode around the end of the gate. Several other bikes did the same and we never got hassled about it. I think the only reason the garage will institute a "no motorcycles" policy is to avoid lawsuits from bikers who get whacked by the gate like I almost did. I wouldn't worry too much about enforcement though - the attendants at these sorts of lots usually couldn't care less if a motorcycle parked there. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 6:33 AM To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: parking question On Tue, 15 August 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Can you fit around the gates? > not sure yet. they are still in the process of building the contraption. lol. they only have the boxes in...no gates or anything yet. But the way the garage is layed out...I don't think once the gates are in I'll be able to sneak around them. Not that I would EVER do something like that. lol. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 09:51:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FDpi801098 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-32 #43876) with ESMTP id <0FZC0005C6HS2A@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <36R3K5TK>; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:52:10 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:49:54 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: Attn: VFR riders (and anyone else interested)... To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68067FE0B@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The 4th annual WDGH (We Don't Give a hoot) ride is coming up the weekend of September 15-17th. The URL of the 2000 ride is: http://bcguy.entropymedia.com/wdgh/info2000.html the WDGH homepage is located at: http://bcguy.entropymedia.com/wdgh/index.html Her is an excerpt from a VFR mailing list post: The WDGAH (We Don't Give A Hoot) kicks ass!! If you're in the New England area ... hell, even if you're not in the New England area (Chris Pitts will be attending this year and he lives in Tennessee, so unless you're from Nevada .. you have no excuse!), and you have the means to come out to the WDGAH .. do so, you won't regret it. You'll have an absolute blast, you'll see some great country, and you'll meet some wonderful people. http://216.167.110.195/wdgh -Calvin '00VFR800FI From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 10:04:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FE46801271 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-215-64.s318.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.215.64] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13OhJy-0002v0-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:04:04 -0400 Message-ID: <00dd01c006c1$17248ce0$bcd73ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Group rides - a suggestion Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:59:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 May I make a suggestion. I led a group ride back in July and prepared a ride sheet and posted on my web site. (http://users.erols.com/pawilson/730ride.html) It's a the bottom of the page. That way anyone who wanted could download the information in advance and bring it along. It included detailed info. on the start location, so I didn't have to explain it a dozen times. Some people (like me) want to know where we're headed at all times. Others are content to follow the leader and don't want to follow a ride sheet. The ride leaders are also relieved of the responsibility of making copies and distributing ride sheets and it's also a nice way to build up a database for future rides. I like to have segment mileage between major landmarks and turns as well as total accumulated mileage. It's really easy to do in Excel, using the "saveas HTML" function. I'll even volunteer to do it, provided someone gives me the routing. We could set up a freebie geocities account like the BikeNight site. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 10:12:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FECC801429 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Tue Aug 15 07:11:50 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:11:50 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: VA - 5 county run X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm brand new to the list so I don't know what kind of rides (aside from really fast for some of you) the group likes. I've been exploring out Warrenton way after work. I haven't finished putting the route together but here it is so far. There are lots of curves and elevation change. Many with 15, 20 or 25mph limit signs. At a normal, reasonable pace they are not exceptionally difficult. Take it higher and you'll probably get a serious hit of fear. Then again I don't know the group dynamics and I've only been riding since July; 4000 miles to date. US 50, North up Snickersville Turnpike, 1 block west on RT 7, south on RT 601. East on US 50 for a light. South US 17. right onto rt 688. Cross I-66 and contine till US 211. Turn right, then left onto RT 229. Option 1: follow 229 to Culpeper (and likely food/gas) Option 2: Left onto Jeffersonian Road and take RT 802 to Warrenton or Opal or stay south for Remington, VA. Cross US 15 and head SouthEast on Sumerduck Road. Follow till it dead ends into US 17. From there you can go back to Manassas or continue SE to I-95 (Fredericksburg) and back to Alexandria/Springfield/DC. How about it? Anyone want to do this as a group ride sort of thing? theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 10:24:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FEOR801973 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-31.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.223]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29055; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39997E21.F5D7F25D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:30:09 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pattonme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA - 5 county run References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew, These are all good roads for riding. Suggest you just announce that you're gonna lead a ride! Pick a starting place and time. Ask for RSVPs so that you have some idea how many people are going to join you. AFIAK, no one has posted a ride for this weekend yet. May the force be with you! %^) Chuck Matthew Patton wrote: > > I'm brand new to the list so I don't know what kind of rides (aside from really fast for some of you) the group likes. I've been exploring out Warrenton way after work. > > I haven't finished putting the route together but here it is so far. There are lots of curves and elevation change. Many with 15, 20 or 25mph limit signs. At a normal, reasonable pace they are not exceptionally difficult. Take it higher and you'll probably get a serious hit of fear. Then again I don't know the group dynamics and I've only been riding since July; 4000 miles to date. > > US 50, North up Snickersville Turnpike, 1 block west on RT 7, south on RT 601. East on US 50 for a light. South US 17. right onto rt 688. Cross I-66 and contine till US 211. Turn right, then left onto RT 229. > > Option 1: follow 229 to Culpeper (and likely food/gas) > Option 2: Left onto Jeffersonian Road and take RT 802 to Warrenton or Opal or stay south for Remington, VA. > > Cross US 15 and head SouthEast on Sumerduck Road. Follow till it dead ends into US 17. From there you can go back to Manassas or continue SE to I-95 (Fredericksburg) and back to Alexandria/Springfield/DC. > > How about it? Anyone want to do this as a group ride sort of thing? > > theglobe.com > Your friendly full-service integrated online community. > http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 10:33:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FEX9802125 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:32:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Looking for good prices on helmets Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:32:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Corbett B claimed, "I'll soon be in the market for a Shoei Xtec or RF800 full-face helmet. I remember a few list members making recommendations for dealers.. Could you post or email me a link, URL address, or phone # of the dealers? If anyone currently owns a Shoei Xtec and cares to comment on whether the Xtec is worth the few extra dollars over the RF800, I'd be curious to know." Cycle Accessories in Gaithersburg has had the best local helmet prices for some time. RF800s were ~ $230 Don't recall Xtec but they had some X-9s Call em. Nice thing about local is your can try on the helmet you want to buy. Because my face is familiar or they're nice, they let me test drive a helmet once. I have a X-8 and it has a slightly different fit than the RF800. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 10:36:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FEaY802214 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA17963 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:31:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: Cycle Sport Phone? Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:35:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Does anyone have the number for Herndon Cycle Sport? I can't seem to find it on the web anywhere. Thanks. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 10:44:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FEiq802293 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.40]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id KAA13328 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:44:49 -0400 X-Really-To: Message-ID: <005701c006c7$bcf84660$9307a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Looking for good prices on helmets Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:47:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Jenspeed: www.jenspeed.com 800-443-0625. If any of you call please tell them that Danny Thompson recommended them. Don't know if it will do any good, but it might. They already give me the best prices on everything and great service also. Danny '99 SV (race bike) Warrenton, VA www.onewayracing.org WERA & CCS Amateur # 903 Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle, 540-347-4591, www.blalockcycle.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Custer, Carl To: 'DCCy' <> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 10:32 AM Subject: Looking for good prices on helmets > Corbett B claimed, "I'll soon be in the market for a Shoei Xtec or RF800 > full-face helmet. > I remember a few list members making recommendations for dealers.. Could > you post or email me a link, URL address, or phone # of the dealers? > If anyone currently owns a Shoei Xtec and cares to comment on whether the > Xtec is worth the few extra > dollars over the RF800, I'd be curious to know." > > Cycle Accessories in Gaithersburg has had the best local helmet prices for > some time. > RF800s were ~ $230 > Don't recall Xtec but they had some X-9s > Call em. > Nice thing about local is your can try on the helmet you want to buy. > Because my face is familiar or they're nice, they let me test drive a helmet > once. > > I have a X-8 and it has a slightly different fit than the RF800. > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 10:45:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FEjC802372 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-31.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.223]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07837; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399982FE.241F230E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:50:54 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Weaver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cycle Sport Phone? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (703) 471-6990 Christopher Weaver wrote: > > Does anyone have the number for Herndon Cycle Sport? I can't seem to find it > on the web anywhere. Thanks. > > Cheers, > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 10:49:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FEno802392 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18155 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:44:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: RE: Cycle Sport Phone? Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:49:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <39995785.F94D41F7@trw.com> Great! Thanks everyone. Chris From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 10:59:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com ([204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FExM802789 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:55:48 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:54:48 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: New to list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7FExR802790 I just wanted to say hello to the list/group after lurking for a few weeks. So far I have been on one of the DC cycles rides ( Aug 8th led by Glenn Braunstein), it was fun. Riding with a large group is a new experience for me. Since most of my rides have been in MD, all of the roads in N. VA are new to me. If we ever get a dry spell soon I was thinking about going on a two or 3 day ride into West VA. Does anyone have any route suggestions? The last time I was in WVA I was camping on Spruce Knob Mtn. If anyone is interested I have posted a few images from the last two Bike Nites, if you see your bike there let me know and I will change the header. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=986620&a=7389062 Regards, George Cole 20000 Yellow VFR About 8 or 9 other bikes since '82 George M Cole Senior Account Manager Boise Technology www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 410 796-0714 CUSTOMER SERVICE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM 1-800-525-9500 FAX 1-800-952-9084 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 11:09:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FF9P802981 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:08:57 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8723@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'George Cole'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New to list Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:59:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Hey, the 1991 VFR 750 with a Corbin is mine. Sweet Ride! Mark Kitchell > -----Original Message----- > From: George Cole [SMTP:George.Cole@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 10:55 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: New to list > > I just wanted to say hello to the list/group after lurking for a few > weeks. So far I have been on one of the DC cycles rides ( Aug 8th led by > Glenn Braunstein), it was fun. Riding with a large group is a new > experience for me. > > Since most of my rides have been in MD, all of the roads in N. VA are new > to me. If we ever get a dry spell soon I was thinking about going on a two > or 3 day ride into West VA. Does anyone have any route suggestions? The > last time I was in WVA I was camping on Spruce Knob Mtn. > > If anyone is interested I have posted a few images from the last two Bike > Nites, if you see your bike there let me know and I will change the > header. > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=986620&a=7389062 > > > Regards, > > George Cole > 20000 Yellow VFR > About 8 or 9 other bikes since '82 > > George M Cole > Senior Account Manager > Boise Technology > www.boisetech.com > 301-523-4161 > FAX 410 796-0714 > CUSTOMER SERVICE > 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM > 1-800-525-9500 FAX 1-800-952-9084 > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 11:12:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com ([204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FFCu803081 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:09:16 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:00:33 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Looking for good prices on helmets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7FFCx803082 Try helmetshop.com 1-800-630-6434 You may want to call them they have some blowout deals and their prices on the web don't always reflect the latest price. George M Cole Senior Account Manager Boise Technology www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 410 796-0714 CUSTOMER SERVICE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM 1-800-525-9500 FAX 1-800-952-9084 >>> "Custer, Carl" 08/15/00 10:32AM >>> Corbett B claimed, "I'll soon be in the market for a Shoei Xtec or RF800 full-face helmet. I remember a few list members making recommendations for dealers.. Could you post or email me a link, URL address, or phone # of the dealers? If anyone currently owns a Shoei Xtec and cares to comment on whether the Xtec is worth the few extra dollars over the RF800, I'd be curious to know." Cycle Accessories in Gaithersburg has had the best local helmet prices for some time. RF800s were ~ $230 Don't recall Xtec but they had some X-9s Call em. Nice thing about local is your can try on the helmet you want to buy. Because my face is familiar or they're nice, they let me test drive a helmet once. I have a X-8 and it has a slightly different fit than the RF800. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 11:14:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FFDw803093 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Tue Aug 15 08:13:43 2000 To: "D.C. Cycles" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:13:43 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Looking for good prices on helmets X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got my RF-800 at FastLane cycles (Chantily). For like $170. The receipt is at home so I can't check to be absolutely sure. It was a huge discount off of normal prices though. Again not sure if they were just trying to get rid of it (small's don't sell that well) or what. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 11:24:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FFOm803454 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.11] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:24:13 -0700 Received: from navieg1 ([129.193.4.9]) by navieg3.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:25:42 0000 (GMT) Received: (from RESVA-MS6 [158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 61) with SMTP id M2000081508244808175 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:24:48 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:23:51 -0400 Message-Id: <39996091.77354936@trw.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:24:01 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New to list References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi George, and welcome to the list. Nice pictures. Wow, does that RC30 belong to one of us (DC Cyclers)? IMHO the coolest bike ever... Randy Moran George Cole wrote: > I just wanted to say hello to the list/group after lurking for a few weeks. So far I have been on one of the DC cycles rides ( Aug 8th led by Glenn Braunstein), it was fun. Riding with a large group is a new experience for me. > > Since most of my rides have been in MD, all of the roads in N. VA are new to me. If we ever get a dry spell soon I was thinking about going on a two or 3 day ride into West VA. Does anyone have any route suggestions? The last time I was in WVA I was camping on Spruce Knob Mtn. > > If anyone is interested I have posted a few images from the last two Bike Nites, if you see your bike there let me know and I will change the header. > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=986620&a=7389062 From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 11:28:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FFSp803684 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:28:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200008151128.AA1835528@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: LAURA GRANATO , Subject: Re: parking question X-Mailer: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7FFSv803687 "No motorcycles" through gates is for liability, like not allowing pedestrians. Learn where the wire loops are and how to position yourself. The gates where I work are fine for the cycle - I could go around but I'd rather not have people think I'm cheating. It's fun to test them: for me coming in is fine, and the gate stays up as long as I sit by the card-reader after opening the gate. Going out is easy with the ST1100 - the gate just goes up. With the PC, if I move forward too far, it must uncover the rear loop 'cause the gate goes spastic - up, down, up, up, down, up, down, down ... it did this once when a pedestrian was walking by and the look on his face was priceless. So I find it's best to inch up until the bike just trips the second loop - this way the gate stays up until I pass underneath. best, Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Louis F. Caplan" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 06:23:44 -0700 (PDT) > >You can read the AMA article about parking gates at: >http://www.amadirectlink.com/magazine/2000/story2ma.html > >They have a few suggestions. > >Louis > >--- LAURA GRANATO wrote: >> I know it's been discussed before, but I'm asking again anyway...sorry! >> >> Got to work this morning and they are installing parking gates for the garage >> where I work, and a huge sticker on it saying "no motorcycles." OK, I >> f*&%ing work in this building and they are paying for a spot for me, so >> what's the difference if I park my bike or my cage? >> >> Who do I take this up with? has anyone fought this battle and won? If so, >> what did you say/do to make it happen? TIA. >> >> Laura Granato >> '99 Suzuki GS500 >> >> >> ________________________________________________ >> PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >> http://www.peoplepc.com > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 11:36:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FFaI804017 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:35:43 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8726@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Randy Moran'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New to list Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:26:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Randy.....if you came to Bike Night you would know that its for sale (at least the VFR 400 is)!! Only $6500. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy Moran [SMTP:Randy.Moran@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:24 AM > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: New to list > > Hi George, and welcome to the list. Nice pictures. > > Wow, does that RC30 belong to one of us (DC Cyclers)? IMHO the coolest > bike ever... > > Randy Moran > > George Cole wrote: > > > I just wanted to say hello to the list/group after lurking for a few > weeks. So far I have been on one of the DC cycles rides ( Aug 8th led by > Glenn Braunstein), it was fun. Riding with a large group is a new > experience for me. > > > > Since most of my rides have been in MD, all of the roads in N. VA are > new to me. If we ever get a dry spell soon I was thinking about going on a > two or 3 day ride into West VA. Does anyone have any route suggestions? > The last time I was in WVA I was camping on Spruce Knob Mtn. > > > > If anyone is interested I have posted a few images from the last two > Bike Nites, if you see your bike there let me know and I will change the > header. > > > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=986620&a=7389062 > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 11:45:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web1503.mail.yahoo.com (web1503.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.181]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FFjV804314 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29390 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2000 15:45:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000815154528.29389.qmail@web1503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.241.50.62] by web1503.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:45:28 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:45:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Kristina Rogish Subject: Re: RR2 with a twist To: Corbett B , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Corbett B wrote: > So..You DIDN't wake up with a banana in your tailpipe? > > :-0 Fortunately, no! ;-) > ps. Thanks for the warning for Sunday. Warning??? You feel that you need to be warned when I'm gonna show up someplace??? Yeesh! ;-) > > --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > YOWZERS!!!!! Another group ride that I'll have to > > miss. I will be in Bean Town that weekend, watching > > America's REAL team beat up on some lousy Yankee > > ars. :-) > > > > I will be at Bike Night this Sunday, though!!!!!!! > > :-) > > > > ps--- harmless enough, but annoying all the same, > > some jackass decided to unplug ALL 4 of my spark > > plugs Saturday night (Dewey). It didn't take me a > > horribly long time to figure out why the bike wasn't > > starting and to plug them back in, but still > > slightly unnerving... had some friends follow me > > home, to make sure that was the ONLY thing tampered > > with. Filled out a police report, but... grr!! > > Irritating. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 11:46:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FFk7804324 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.11] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:45:54 -0700 Received: from navieg1 ([129.193.4.9]) by navieg3.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:47:22 0000 (GMT) Received: (from RESVA-MS6 [158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 61) with SMTP id M2000081508462825998 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:46:28 -0700 Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:45:50 -0400 Message-Id: <399965B9.9F1F6B87@trw.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:46:02 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New to list References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8726@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry Mark! I applaud your efforts and I feel the list has really increased in quality in the past few months due to the efforts of people like yourself and Chuck and Laura and all the rest I'm forgetting. I'd really like to go to bike night, but I'm a little light in the "bike" area right now, as all of my vast fleet is engaged in various roadracing endeavors. I just wouldn't feel right coming to Bike Night in my Toyota : ). So the VFR400 is for sale, eh? Well, to whom does the RC30 belong? Is that for sale as well? Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com Mark Kitchell wrote: > Randy.....if you came to Bike Night you would know that its for sale (at > least the VFR 400 is)!! Only $6500. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Randy Moran [SMTP:Randy.Moran@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:24 AM > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: New to list > > > > Hi George, and welcome to the list. Nice pictures. > > > > Wow, does that RC30 belong to one of us (DC Cyclers)? IMHO the coolest > > bike ever... From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 11:59:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FFxv804493 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 5.2f.941b82c (4329); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:59:27 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <2f.941b82c.26cac2de@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:59:26 EDT Subject: Re: New to list To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX, Mkitchell@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 8/15/00 11:48:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Randy.Moran@XXXXXX writes: > So the VFR400 is for sale, eh? Well, to > whom does the RC30 belong? Is that for sale as well? Same guy - he's got three RC-30's, a 748, and the VFR400. He's willing to deal on the VFR a little (I talked to him about it). I decided not to buy it as the last thing in the world I need right now is another street bike (or race bike, for that matter). It is really clean though, little over 18k Km on the clock. I'm REALLY bad with names, so I can't come up with his at the moment... really nice guy, rode his 748 with us on the ride previous to Laura's. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 12:10:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FGAD804662 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.15]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id MAA10076 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:10:11 -0400 X-Really-To: Message-ID: <008401c006d3$a9bfcf80$9307a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8726@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Subject: Re: New to list Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:12:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Actually the guy owns 2 RC30's also. You could get his cheap one for around $15,000, so I've heard. One of them is totally tricked out, from Ohlin's front to carbon fiber single sided swing arm, etc. He maintains and keeps them maticulously. I looked at the VFR400RR, but it is too small for me. It is a really sweet bike. Danny '99 SV (race bike) Warrenton, VA www.onewayracing.org WERA & CCS Amateur # 903 Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle, 540-347-4591, www.blalockcycle.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Kitchell To: 'Randy Moran' Cc: <> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:26 AM Subject: RE: New to list > Randy.....if you came to Bike Night you would know that its for sale (at > least the VFR 400 is)!! Only $6500. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Randy Moran [SMTP:Randy.Moran@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:24 AM > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: New to list > > > > Hi George, and welcome to the list. Nice pictures. > > > > Wow, does that RC30 belong to one of us (DC Cyclers)? IMHO the coolest > > bike ever... > > > > Randy Moran > > > > George Cole wrote: > > > > > I just wanted to say hello to the list/group after lurking for a few > > weeks. So far I have been on one of the DC cycles rides ( Aug 8th led by > > Glenn Braunstein), it was fun. Riding with a large group is a new > > experience for me. > > > > > > Since most of my rides have been in MD, all of the roads in N. VA are > > new to me. If we ever get a dry spell soon I was thinking about going on a > > two or 3 day ride into West VA. Does anyone have any route suggestions? > > The last time I was in WVA I was camping on Spruce Knob Mtn. > > > > > > If anyone is interested I have posted a few images from the last two > > Bike Nites, if you see your bike there let me know and I will change the > > header. > > > > > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=986620&a=7389062 > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 12:11:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FGBQ804672 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 29755 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2000 09:11:19 -0700 Date: 15 Aug 2000 09:11:19 -0700 Message-ID: <20000815161119.29754.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 15 Aug 2000 16:11:19 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 15 Aug 2000 09:11:19 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX, Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: Re: New to list On Tue, 15 August 2000, BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > I'm REALLY bad with names, so I can't come up with his at the moment... I think his name is Cole??? or something to that effect. ;-) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 12:46:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FGkE805494 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08944 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3999740B.99EAEBE1@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:47:08 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR2 anyone? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura, Robert, I mentioned your RR at our Suzuki Owners Club meeting that we had last night in Baltimore. Several of us would like to join your ride too. With all of the favorable comments about RR 1, I hope we'll be able to pick up some pointers on how to do a group ride in such a professional manner as yours. See you then! Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http:www.soc-usa.org Robert Keiser wrote: > I'm in, and will even sweep again; provided we have your fine weather seal > of approval! > > Rob > > Date: 14 Aug 2000 07:18:35 -0700 > X-Sent: 14 Aug 2000 14:18:35 GMT > Content-Disposition: inline > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: LAURA GRANATO > Subject: RR2 anyone? > > Well, since I received so many requests for another ride like Saturday's > relaxed ride, anyone up for RR2 on Saturday, September 9? We could do it > the weekend before, but figure a lot of people will be vacationing for the > long labor day weekend...any thoughts? > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 13:21:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FHLr806070 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000815172146.12553.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.205] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:21:46 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:21:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Suspicion of speeders To: Todd Peer , AA DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii this message just appeared in my box....hmmm response below --- Todd Peer wrote: > Fresh outta law school and already startin' shit: yeah...i figured it was as good of a time as any to start :) > > Even if I don't have anything to hide, > > and I trust that the cops aren't going to plant > > something, what if I > > don't want to have my car searched? > > as i said in an earlier post....you as a citizen > have > chosen to drive on the highways in a mobile evidence > carrier and you have a lesser expectation of privacy > because of it > > ------ > Horse shit! The analogy holds the same > for anyone simply walking down the streets > wearing big pants and flannel shirts....hmmm. not an analogy....simply one of the 6 exceptions to the search warrant requirement the most important one, as dave yates pointed out, is consent > Does speeding imply you have something to hide? nope....only that you're in a hurry/ you're careless/ you enjoy it. i don't know where this came from, but i thought our original discussion concerned a suspicious cop and a search request....not speeding > ------ > I'd like Mr. Gawthorps take on this > assessment. i saw it and he was dead on.... > if you don't want your vehicle searched, don't drive > it on the highways > > hey....i know it sucks. the key to excluding > evidence obtained is to show that there was no cause > for suspicion in the first place (saying 'no' to a > search is (imo) downright idiotic....so hide the > shit well, OK? ;) > > ----- > are we allowed to ask what the suspicion > is? i just realized that my statement seems to condone consent....yikes! that is not what i intended, especially considering that consent, if knowing, voluntary and intelligent (or something like that) will have the effect of overriding the exclusion of otherwise excludable evidence. i guess i would try to refuse without blatantly saying 'no, you may not' (or similar statement that would arouse more suspicion). my bet is that once a cop really suspects that there is contraband in the vehicle, he will be sure to jump through the proper hoops to get to it. what i intended to get across is that a refusal will be one ingredient in the mix of the totality of circumstances that a cop will evaluate in determining whether the proper suspicion standard has been met oh, i believe you are well within your right to ask what the suspicion is....but a cop is well within his right to avoid answering the question entirely -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 14:04:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FI45806722 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:03:44 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B873A@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Welder in Arlington? Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:54:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Anyone know a small job welder in Arlington? Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 15:11:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FJBc808281 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-46.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.174]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04651; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3999C15D.A6CB5A5D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:17:01 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX, Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR400 for sale WAS New to list References: <2f.941b82c.26cac2de@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The owner of the VFR400 for sale (and the RC-30s and 748) is Cole Howell. I don't know if he's subscribed to the list (I think so!), but his email is ckhowell@XXXXXX Chuck BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 8/15/00 11:48:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Randy.Moran@XXXXXX writes: > > > So the VFR400 is for sale, eh? Well, to > > whom does the RC30 belong? Is that for sale as well? > > Same guy - he's got three RC-30's, a 748, and the VFR400. He's willing to > deal on the VFR a little (I talked to him about it). I decided not to buy it > as the last thing in the world I need right now is another street bike (or > race bike, for that matter). It is really clean though, little over 18k Km > on the clock. > > I'm REALLY bad with names, so I can't come up with his at the moment... > really nice guy, rode his 748 with us on the ride previous to Laura's. > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 15:32:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FJWl808781 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13OmRC-0003Wh-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:31:50 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:32:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well obviously whoever is in charge of the DC-Cycles PR department has been sleeping at the switch. Good job! Don't change a thing ;). ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders Washington Post Interview! Hey, tomorrow Wednesday, August 16th the Washington Post would like to do a segment on DCSR. We'd like all of our members to come out to the Applebees in Forestville, Md. to be a part of this interview/photo shoot. We'll be meeting there at 7:45pm. See ya tomorrow! GC President DC Sportbike From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 15:45:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FJjQ809120 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id p.9c.682769c (4408); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:45:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9c.682769c.26caf7c6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:45:10 EDT Subject: Re: parking question To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 In a message dated 8/15/00 9:19:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: << OK, I f*&%ing work in this building and they are paying for a spot for me, so what's the difference if I park my bike or my cage? Who do I take this up with? has anyone fought this battle and won? If so, what did you say/do to make it happen? TIA. >> OK, to fight this you need to determine a couple of things. 1. Who owns the garage building(City, County, or private individual)? 2. Who has the franchise for operating the garage? 3. Who is the Owner/Manager of the Garage? If 1, 2 and 3 is government, go to your elected officials. If 1 is Govt and 2 and 3 are citizen contractors, ask to see the terms of the contract. Contact the city, county government if they refuse. If 1, 2, and 3 are private citizens, you are essentially screwed in the short term. If you are a member of a motorcycle rights organization, they can address the issue on a collective basis for you. One trick (long term) is when the garage owners go up for a renewal of their license, appear at the hearing and state your case. If this is in Maryland, let me know. ABATE will help you address the issue. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 15:47:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FJlR809140 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-46.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.174]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11336 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3999C9D8.4E27002A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:53:12 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Had to share Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Picked this up on alt.motorcycle.sportbike. Someone was plugging a new m/c website. http://www.bikersexchange.com Now, is that "bikers exchange" or "biker sex change"? You figure it out! %^) Chuck From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 16:12:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FKCd809693 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000815201231.16780.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.212] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:12:31 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:12:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) To: Hugh Caldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii if i were a member of Operation Rocket Roundup, i think i'd show up at the Applebees and get some tag numbers for future reference ;) honestly, though....what the hell good could this Post article bring? i smell ratshit --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > Well obviously whoever is in charge of the > DC-Cycles > PR department has been sleeping at the switch. Good > job! Don't change a thing ;). > > Subject: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders > > Washington Post Interview! > > Hey, tomorrow Wednesday, August 16th the Washington > Post would like to do a segment on DCSR. We'd like > all of our members to come out to the Applebees in > Forestville, Md. to be a part of this > interview/photo shoot. We'll be meeting there at > 7:45pm. See ya tomorrow! > > GC > President > DC Sportbike > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 16:22:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FKLs810037 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-46.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.174]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20791 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3999D1EA.FA727851@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:27:38 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) References: <20000815201231.16780.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit People should show up in t-shirts/tank tops, shorts, flip-flops/sneakers. Pull wheelies. Stoppies. Do burnouts. Maybe someone's R1/GSXR could get 'jacked during the interview. %^) Tom Gimer wrote: > > if i were a member of Operation Rocket Roundup, i > think i'd show up at the Applebees and get some tag > numbers for future reference ;) > > honestly, though....what the hell good could this Post > article bring? i smell ratshit > > --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > > > Well obviously whoever is in charge of the > > DC-Cycles > > PR department has been sleeping at the switch. Good > > job! Don't change a thing ;). > > > > Subject: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders > > > > Washington Post Interview! > > > > Hey, tomorrow Wednesday, August 16th the Washington > > Post would like to do a segment on DCSR. We'd like > > all of our members to come out to the Applebees in > > Forestville, Md. to be a part of this > > interview/photo shoot. We'll be meeting there at > > 7:45pm. See ya tomorrow! > > > > GC > > President > > DC Sportbike > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 16:37:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FKbI810799 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id p.7c.9add96b (4354); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:35:16 -0400 (EDT) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7c.9add96b.26cb0384@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:35:16 EDT Subject: 97 TL1000S idling problem fixed To: race@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Thanks to all who offered their ECUs for my disposal. However the problem has been fixed. It was bad gas............dohhhhh! From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 16:43:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FKhp810962 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008152043.e7FKhp810962@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.39.8dc6ae1 (15904) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web40.aolmail.aol.com (web40.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.1]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:43:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:43:29 EDT From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown >Hey, tomorrow Wednesday, August 16th the Washington >Post would like to do a segment on DCSR. This smells bad Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 16:44:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FKi0810982 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-46.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.174]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11128 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3999D718.41DC03C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:49:44 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: 97 TL1000S idling problem fixed References: <7c.9add96b.26cb0384@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My dog has the same problem from time to time! %^) GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX wrote: > > Thanks to all who offered their ECUs for my disposal. However the problem > has been fixed. It was bad gas............dohhhhh! From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 17:06:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7FL6L811587 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA02182; Tue, 15 Aug 1972 17:11:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1972 17:11:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bikes for sale (not mine) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII FS: 1999 Kaw EX-500, 2500 mi, $3800. Contact Eric . FS 1976 KZ 650, about $800. Send email to me, I'll forward it to owner. Thanks. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 17:52:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from va03.247media.com ([206.57.34.27]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FLqt812371 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from va02.247media.com (va02 [192.168.128.12]) by va03.247media.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id QV1Y7BWB; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:52:30 -0400 Received: by va02 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:52:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wegerich, Frank" To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VA - 5 county run Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:52:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sure, I join how about next Saturday? -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 10:12 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VA - 5 county run I'm brand new to the list so I don't know what kind of rides (aside from really fast for some of you) the group likes. I've been exploring out Warrenton way after work. I haven't finished putting the route together but here it is so far. There are lots of curves and elevation change. Many with 15, 20 or 25mph limit signs. At a normal, reasonable pace they are not exceptionally difficult. Take it higher and you'll probably get a serious hit of fear. Then again I don't know the group dynamics and I've only been riding since July; 4000 miles to date. US 50, North up Snickersville Turnpike, 1 block west on RT 7, south on RT 601. East on US 50 for a light. South US 17. right onto rt 688. Cross I-66 and contine till US 211. Turn right, then left onto RT 229. Option 1: follow 229 to Culpeper (and likely food/gas) Option 2: Left onto Jeffersonian Road and take RT 802 to Warrenton or Opal or stay south for Remington, VA. Cross US 15 and head SouthEast on Sumerduck Road. Follow till it dead ends into US 17. From there you can go back to Manassas or continue SE to I-95 (Fredericksburg) and back to Alexandria/Springfield/DC. How about it? Anyone want to do this as a group ride sort of thing? theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 22:07:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com (web5201.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7G27N816379 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000816020715.23059.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.161] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:07:15 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:07:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: parking question To: LAURA GRANATO , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Laura- I have read cases where different chapters of ABATE have taken on the garages... The basic problem is that the gates to not have a mechanism to accomodate motorcyclists..either the motorcyle does not trip whatever device that prompts the gate to open or close -or- the safety device that keeps the gate from closing on a car does not recognize the profile of a motorcyclist and rakes them off a bike as you pull through... either way, the risk to motorcyclists creates a real liability/insurance problem for the garage owners, so they adopt a "no motorcycle" policy rather than accomodate the minority of motorcycle commuters (Now you understand why I wonder if motorcyclists should be added to a federally mandated "protected class" status much as the handicapped are or persons of different sexual orientation, single mothers, etc. It's no fun to be denied parking simply because of the vehicle you drive..remember my Dewey Beach dilemma at Starboard?) Okay..SOME motorcycle rights groups have been instrumental in getting the garages to make alterations to their equipment OR provide secure alternative parking in another area. You need to approach parking management(not the booth schmucks) and explain your dilemma.. if no satisfaction occurs - try a letter writing campaign... if still no satisfaction occurs.. There's a couple of fine publications out there; "The Anarchist's Cookbook" and "The Poor Man's James Bond" a few flips of the pages and I'm sure you can find an alternative source of satisfaction. Oh yeah, if you need more productive AND LEGAL documentation I could probably dig up a few links that demonstrate how past cases were handled. -Corbett --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > I know it's been discussed before, but I'm asking > again anyway...sorry! > > Got to work this morning and they are installing > parking gates for the garage where I work, and a > huge sticker on it saying "no motorcycles." OK, I > f*&%ing work in this building and they are paying > for a spot for me, so what's the difference if I > park my bike or my cage? > > Who do I take this up with? has anyone fought this > battle and won? If so, what did you say/do to make > it happen? TIA. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Aug 15 23:53:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5204.mail.yahoo.com (web5204.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7G3r9817996 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000816035301.9129.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.161] by web5204.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:53:01 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:53:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) To: Chuck Pena , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chuck Pena wrote: > People should show up in t-shirts/tank tops, shorts, > flip-flops/sneakers. Pull wheelies. Stoppies. Do > burnouts. Maybe > someone's R1/GSXR could get 'jacked during the > interview. %^) OUCH! Chuck, you're SOOOO bad! You win the newly created and highly-coveted Smart-ass Of the Week award. Yes, the DC-Cycles SOW award. Competition is tough so enjoy your reign. -Corbett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 00:25:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7G4PP818454 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Jonman72@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.7d.91e4c46 (9624) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:25:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonman72@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7d.91e4c46.26cb71ab@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:25:15 EDT Subject: RR2 Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 111 I'm in.... 9/9 sounds good to me. Jonathan >>Laura wrote: Date: 14 Aug 2000 07:18:35 -0700 X-Sent: 14 Aug 2000 14:18:35 GMT Content-Disposition: inline To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Subject: RR2 anyone? Well, since I received so many requests for another ride like Saturday's relaxed ride, anyone up for RR2 on Saturday, September 9? We could do it the weekend before, but figure a lot of people will be vacationing for the long labor day weekend...any thoughts? Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 08:13:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GCDs826492 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from philp2350 (dyn54.c5200-1.springfield.236.crosslink.net [207.199.142.55]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id IAA22520 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:13:51 -0400 X-Really-To: Message-ID: <000e01c0077b$6aa76120$346dfea9@philp2350> From: "Phil Childress" To: Subject: Subject: Welder in Arlington, etc... Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:13:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Mark- My neighbor Emory Thompson has a welding shop in his garage and is the best welder I've ever met--retired as an aircraft welder. He lives in Annandale, on Montgomery street, phone number 703 354 5680. Careful on politics--he gives big discounts for Republicans, but may stick up Democrats. Kidding....maybe... %>) BTW- thanks to Laura, Chuck, Rob etc.. for putting together RR1 Saturday---I rode the Kaw KLR650 dirt/street combo, which I bought in February to go to Bike Week/Daytona with some friends (trailored down). Just getting back into biking after several years, but have owned 10 scooters/bikes altogether, and figure I spent 8 years riding only two wheeled vehicles, since my "Doodle-bug" for my paper route at age ten. (Bet no-one here remembers them!) I also rode on Chuck's "spirited" ride in June, which was a little too hot for me. Maybe next year! Phil Mark Kitchell wrote: >Anyone know a small job welder in Arlington? Thanks >Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 09:18:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GDIX828173 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-52.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.180]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07918; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399AC028.10889497@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:24:08 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Corbett B CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) References: <20000816035301.9129.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Word, MF! %^) It's a tough job, but someone's gotta do it! Corbett B wrote: > > OUCH! Chuck, you're SOOOO bad! > > You win the newly created and highly-coveted Smart-ass > Of the Week award. Yes, the DC-Cycles SOW award. > > Competition is tough so enjoy your reign. From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 09:36:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7GDan828950 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000816133641.10381.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.171] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 06:36:41 PDT Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 06:36:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: parking question To: Corbett B , LAURA GRANATO , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Corbett B wrote: > Laura- > > I have read cases where different chapters of ABATE > have taken on the garages... > > The basic problem is that the gates to not have a > mechanism to accomodate motorcyclists..either the > motorcyle does not trip whatever device that prompts > the gate to open or close -or- the safety > device > that keeps the gate from closing on a car does not > recognize the profile of a motorcyclist and rakes > them > off a bike as you pull through... either way, the > risk to motorcyclists creates a real > liability/insurance problem for the garage owners, > so > they adopt a "no motorcycle" policy rather than > accomodate the minority of motorcycle commuters > > (Now you understand why I wonder if motorcyclists > should be added to a federally mandated "protected > class" status much as the handicapped are or persons > of different sexual orientation, single mothers, > etc. persons of different sexual orientation are not a protected class; neither are single mothers one big problem with these gate systems is that if they're owned and operated by private individuals, those private individuals can almost freely discriminate my only guess is that successful opponents to these private gates use the argument that these gates burden interstate commerce when viewed in the aggregate (?) from reading his prior posts, i'd bet bill gawthrop could enlighten us and point laura in the right direction.... i just go around or under the things > It's no fun to be denied parking simply because of > the vehicle you drive..remember my Dewey Beach > dilemma at Starboard?) i think so....did you follow up on it? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 09:41:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GDfq829022 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:40:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:40:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e7GDft829023 My fiancM-ie was coming to pick me up the other day in the cage, and on her way she saw a bike pulled over by the cops on the beltway, with rider standing next to his bike yelling at the cop - who was still in his cruiser - at the top of his lungs. One small detail: the motorcyclist was wearing nothing but a pair of Speedos and some flip flops. Now that's taking squidlyness to a whole new level. Wasn't anyone on the list, was it? Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Corbett B [mailto:corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:53 PM To: Chuck Pena; DC Cycles Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) --- Chuck Pena wrote: > People should show up in t-shirts/tank tops, shorts, > flip-flops/sneakers. Pull wheelies. Stoppies. Do > burnouts. Maybe > someone's R1/GSXR could get 'jacked during the > interview. %^) OUCH! Chuck, you're SOOOO bad! You win the newly created and highly-coveted Smart-ass Of the Week award. Yes, the DC-Cycles SOW award. Competition is tough so enjoy your reign. -Corbett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 09:46:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (c008-h011.c008.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.200]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7GDjw829167 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 6281 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2000 06:45:49 -0700 Date: 16 Aug 2000 06:45:49 -0700 Message-ID: <20000816134549.6280.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 16 Aug 2000 13:45:49 GMT Received: from [216.233.216.162] by mail.surfree.com with HTTP; 16 Aug 2000 06:45:48 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: weekend ride We're a group of about 4-5 and we're planning on hitting 211/Skyline this Saturday. Specifically 55 at Gainesville, 647 south, 522, 211 west all the way out to Luray. We may putz around 211 all day or we can go anywhere else you'd like to check out. I'd say that the riders in our group are between high-beginners to low-intermediates. IOW, nobody can grind pegs or parts yet but we do take corners relatively fast. We're planning on meeting at the first Mcdonald's on the left (behind a gas station) after you take the Manassas Business exit on 66 between 10am-noon. Maybe earlier, maybe later, dunno yet. Drop me an email if you're interested. _____________________________________________________ The freedom to choose your own Internet access price. Surfree.com - got to be free http://www.surfree.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 09:57:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e7GDvZ829321 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 24278 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2000 06:57:26 -0700 Date: 16 Aug 2000 06:57:26 -0700 Message-ID: <20000816135726.24277.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 16 Aug 2000 13:57:26 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 16 Aug 2000 06:57:26 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.0.11 Subject: Looking for a team... I was talking to Harry about updating the DC Cycles Web page to make it better, but haven't heard back from him after our initial conversations. Is anyone on the list Web savvy and want to help me put together a site that is functional and informational for DC Cycles to use (e.g., ride routes, pictures from bike nights/rides, info for newbies, etc.)? Maybe if it's good enough, Harry will let us link to it off of the DC Cycles page. Any volunteers to work with me? Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 09:57:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GDvs829331 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-52.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.180]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20377; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399AC967.DFAD6D33@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:03:35 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phil Childress CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Subject: Welder in Arlington, etc... References: <000e01c0077b$6aa76120$346dfea9@philp2350> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Phil, I NEVER exceed the speed limit. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! %^) Chuck Phil Childress wrote : > > I also rode on Chuck's "spirited" ride in June, which was a little too hot > for me. Maybe next year! From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 09:59:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GDxY829342 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-52.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.180]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA30454; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399AC937.3F3BF330@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:02:47 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX CC: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit She should've stopped and taken a pic or vid. Would make for great stuff in a m/c mag, especially one of the Brit mags. %^) Gotta love those sportbikers who seem to be creating an image for the rest of us ... NOT! eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > > My fiancM-ie was coming to pick me up the other day in the cage, and on her > way she saw a bike pulled over by the cops on the beltway, with rider > standing next to his bike yelling at the cop - who was still in his cruiser > - at the top of his lungs. One small detail: the motorcyclist was wearing > nothing but a pair of Speedos and some flip flops. Now that's taking > squidlyness to a whole new level. Wasn't anyone on the list, was it? From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 10:07:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GE78829498 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:06:51 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330B8759@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Corbett B'" , Chuck Pena , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:57:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Oh, Chuck outta win that every week.... Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Corbett B [SMTP:corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:53 PM > To: Chuck Pena; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) > > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > People should show up in t-shirts/tank tops, shorts, > > flip-flops/sneakers. Pull wheelies. Stoppies. Do > > burnouts. Maybe > > someone's R1/GSXR could get 'jacked during the > > interview. %^) > > OUCH! Chuck, you're SOOOO bad! > > You win the newly created and highly-coveted Smart-ass > Of the Week award. Yes, the DC-Cycles SOW award. > > Competition is tough so enjoy your reign. > > -Corbett > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Aug 16 10:12:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GEC8829587 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA26268; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:07:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "LAURA GRANATO" , Subject: RE: Looking for a team... Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:11:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000816135726.24277.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Laura, I do that for a living. I'll be glad to help out. However, I will be out of town all next week so it'll have to be after that. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 6:57 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Looking for a team... I was talking to Harry about updating the DC Cycles Web page to make it better, but haven't heard back from him after our initial conversations. Is anyone on the list Web savvy and want to help me put together a site that is functional and informational for DC Cycles to use (e.g., ride routes, pictures from bike nights/rides, info for newbies, etc.)? Maybe if it's good enough, Harry will let us link to it off of th