From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 06:34:08 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA28636 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:34:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA00103 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:34:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:34:02 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Honda XRs - any Honda salesmen out there? Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm looking into 4 stroke Honda dirt bikes, with a preference towards Honda XRs. I was planning on turning whatever I get into a street legal bike. Well, I've come across a reasonably priced 91 XR250L, the dualsport model. Does anyone happen to know the differences between this bike and the dirt only XR250R? Obviously the L has street gear on it. I'm more concerned with differences in suspension (e.g., does the L have cartridge forks like the R), motor/intake/exhaust, and weight. The Rs seem to hold their value better than the Ls, judging by the classified ads nationally... Because of this I'm assuming better components on the R... Any help would be appreciated! Thanks, Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 06:40:51 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA28718 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:40:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA00187 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:40:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:40:45 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Tire Choices In-Reply-To: <19990401051015.26202.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Collin T. Fagan wrote: > The two twins riders that tried them (Craig and Kirk) both had longevity > issues. Can't speak for Kirk, but Craig was running too low of air > pressure in his. Low air pressure will cause a tire to shred in a > hurry. Talking with the Avon rep, their tires require 2-4 psi more than > dunlop/metzler, etc. due to the very soft carcass. This is something I hadn't heard before. Perhaps I should become a track rat... I run 34f/32r for normal riding (commuting) and 32f/30r for weekend rides when I think to change it. I don't recall just which pressure I used in the Azaro I had (I had it during the height of the season and used up half of its life in one weekend trip). I would guess that I used the lower pressure since most of the miles were fun miles. So, would I run them at even higher pressures for commuting longevity? Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 07:37:49 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from alms1.fw.att.com (alms1.att.com [192.128.167.146]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA29628 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:37:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by alms1.fw.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with SMTP id HAA07970 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:37:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE7C12.6D5C3E90@XXXXXX>; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:36:59 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: feet down, feet up Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:36:58 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had a bad experience with flashing the brake light while stopped. I had read in some moto mag that this was a good thing to do so that cagers would be more likely to notice you. I also would stay to one side of the lane or the other, mostly to avoid those oil slicks you usually find in the center of the lane. So there I am, in the left half of the lane (not the left turn lane), flashing my brake light, and this guy in a cage pulls up in my lane (!), just about brushing my right knee. I could not believe it. Apparently he thought my flashing brake light was a turn signal. I'm not advising anyone to stop flashing their brake lights. To thine own self be true. My point is to expect cagers to be idiots, even malicious, and you may occasionally be surprised if they are not. I have recently started leaving it in first gear at lights, since you folks were kind enough to explain the reasoning to me. Thanks. People do get rammed from behind. The guy who sits next to me at work just had his Jeep Grand Cherokee totaled by a Jag that plowed into him from behind. Rich (13 years riding experience. Taking the MSF beginners course in May.) '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling > -----Original Message----- > > do you sit at lights, staring in your mirrors, guaging the > approach speeds > of oncoming vehicles? sounds kind of difficult/impossible to me. > Brian wrote... a'yup.. I do, untill there are a couple of cars as buffers behind me. I typically flash my brake light to boot, even if the car looks to be slowing normally. Though there's no excitment in the world like hearing the screaching of tires behind you.. I really don't desire to be hit from behind (again)... From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 07:39:30 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA29638 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id A8FD3703BA; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 07:39:25 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990401073355.012a0cd0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 07:36:39 -0500 To: Dc-Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: feet down, feet up In-Reply-To: <85256745.00758A46.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:25 PM 3/31/99 , christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >Henry Winokur wrote: >There is no RSS. It is called the BRC (Beginning Rider Course). The ERC >is not recommended unless you've had your bike for at least a couple of >months.. >-- >Is this correct? Just last year, the beginner course was called RSS. Did >they change the course title this year? >Chris Weaver Maryland has called the courses BRC (Beginners Rider Course) and ERC (Experienced Riders Course). The official MSF title of the first course is MRC:RSS -- Motorcycle Rider Course: Riding and Street Skills. I think Virginia uses the MSF title. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 08:26:40 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00454 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id A40A5530248; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 08:26:34 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990401082255.0128a310@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 08:26:56 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: feet down, feet up In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:36 AM 4/1/99 , Crishock, Richard wrote: >So there I am, in the left half of the lane (not the left turn lane), >flashing my brake light, and this guy in a cage pulls up in my lane (!), >just about brushing my right knee. I could not believe it. Apparently >he thought my flashing brake light was a turn signal. Either that or he thought you were disabled and displaying flashing lights, like 4-way flashers indicate a disabled vehicle. Everyone knows that brake lights don't flash, so I think people send mixed messages by using flashing brake lights. Better, I'd say, is to add auxiliary lights to attract attention, but still have steady-on brake lights. I, too, have had the problem of being too far to one side and letting a car driver pull up next to me, even on the highway. I think the solution is part -- 1) protecting your lane space with good positioning 2) protect your lane space by moving around a lot 3) just get the hell out of the way of crazy cagers Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 09:26:05 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web309.yahoomail.com (web310.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01425 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:26:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990401142839.10957.rocketmail@web309.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.16.7] by web310.yahoomail.com; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 06:28:39 PST Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:28:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: feet down, feet up To: Dc-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have the information/application for the course in Alexandria, where I teach. It is called the Riding and Street Skills (RSS) course. I have never heared it referred to it as a BRC while teaching there. It's been three years since my Instructor Prep course, but I believe they said something along the lines of they didn't want people to think the course was only for beginners, (since even an old dog can learn new tricks, as my parents dog showed me) and people with some experience were as welcome as beginners. But that doesn't change the fact that the course is geared towards beginners, and we start everyone off as if they were beginners. And of course since we are currently booked up to the Fourth of July (when I checked last week), people with experience may be better off time-wise looking into the ERC. (No ERC's at Alexandria though, they are supposed to be tearing up that parking lot soon) Louis _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 09:39:34 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01666 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:39:33 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA05594; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:36:34 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma005337; Thu, 1 Apr 99 09:35:52 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F9I00EBBLXD17@XXXXXX>; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:36:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256746.00500D95 ; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 09:34:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 09:28:31 -0500 Subject: RE: msf training.. To: Leon Begeman Cc: Dc-Cycles Message-id: <85256746.004F2F88.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Leon wrote: I do allow experienced students to scrape pegs during the course. ...Which is impossible because the @#$!% in front of you is riding too slow and you can't get past 3 mph, and no matter how tight the circles are, you can't scrape pegs at 3 mph. ;^) Chris Weaver p.s. I was always frustrated with the slowness of my classmates during the class I took... Can you tell? From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 10:06:51 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web305.yahoomail.com (web305.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.187]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02179 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:06:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990401151325.15948.rocketmail@web305.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.39.153] by web305.yahoomail.com; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 07:13:25 PST Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:13:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Tire Choices To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii WOW.. those are really low pressures for street riding and street comp tires... What you're looking for with pretty much any tire is a 10% increase in presure from cold measurement to hot measurement. I ran my Azzaros between 34 and 36 psi on the gixer (usually 36R 35F on dunlop 204's and reverse of that on Avons). Craig (the US Avon distributor) said that he recommends no less than 38 psi!! His comments were that if you ran them with too low of a psi, they would not break in properly and would feel very greasy and wear out fast, which sounds a lot like what you posted about your set. Collin --- Kirk Roy wrote: > This is something I hadn't heard before. Perhaps I should become a > track > rat... I run 34f/32r for normal riding (commuting) and 32f/30r for > weekend > rides when I think to change it. I don't recall just which pressure I > used > in the Azaro I had (I had it during the height of the season and used > up > half of its life in one weekend trip). I would guess that I used the > lower > pressure since most of the miles were fun miles. So, would I run them > at > even higher pressures for commuting longevity? > > Kirk > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 10:18:52 1999 Return-Path: riders@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02361 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:18:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (209-122-199-37.s291.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.199.37]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA20605; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:25:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36E92E78.7C16@erols.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:10:48 -0500 From: Art Crow X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Henry S. Winokur" CC: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: flashing brake lights References: <002301be7bc0$5a6eca20$406088d1@henrywin> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We still have them in stock. I have them on my R1100rs and you can't believe the reactions of those following until you've seen it. Those trailing you stop waaaayy back and I LIKE THAT!! Henry S. Winokur wrote: > > > > typically flash my brake light to boot, even if the car looks > > there is a device called a Safety Braker which will do it for you. It is a > black box that goes into the brake light circuit. It flashes the brake > light 3 times quickly, then holds the light on for 6 seconds, then repeats. > Only works when the brake light is on. Art Crow at Rider's Accessory Whse > in Falls Church used to carry there. > > There is another device which I have installed on my GTS called Hyper Lites. > It is a pair of LED modules hooked up to a solid state flasher connected to > the brake light circuit. The LED modules have 8 red LEDs in them in a 2x4 > pattern (2 rows of 4 each). From directly behind the bike they are VERY > noticeable. You can mail order them from a company called M&G Accessories > > (http://www.mgaccess.com/index.html) > > If they can't see 'em, then they have their eyes closed...so what else is > new?? > > Henry S. Winokur > '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 > AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor > West Bethesda, MD -- Art Crow 1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" 1996 JRT, "Higgins" 1998 JRT, "Diva" "I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is better." From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 10:25:43 1999 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from stmpy.cais.net (stmpy.cais.net [199.0.216.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02460 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:25:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from wowbager (dynamic219.cl8.cais.net [205.177.20.219]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08812 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:23:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990401102149.006a7640@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:21:49 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Subject: Re: feet down, feet up In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:28 PM 3/30/99 -0500, you wrote: >A friend of mine who took the safety course at Nova said that they teach >you to leave the bike in first gear when at a stop with your hand on the >clutch so you can take off if a car is going to hit you. > >Is this true? Is this realistic? Or is this just a good habit that I >probably won't pick up any time soon. > Absolutely!! I use this tactic along with aligning myself on an escape path while waiting for the approaching vehicle to stop behind me. once they have stopped I relax a bit. This has saved my bacon more than once, when I would have been sandwiched between cars otherwise. Mike B. 98 ZX900R From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 11:35:53 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03860 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA03319 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA27466 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:35:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.orl.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA31433 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #37335) id <0F9I00701MVDXC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:35:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m03.ems.lmco.com ([129.218.66.41]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #37335) with ESMTP id <0F9I0079OQZEC2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 11:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m03.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:26:03 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:26:00 -0600 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: NON-MOTO - I'm back To: "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A011B771E@emss09m05.ems.lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT It's been hell the past 3 days - no internet e-mail coming in or going out from Lockheed Martin - the entire corporation. I actually had to work :(. But now things are back and I hope my e-mail didn't bounce too much on the DC Cycles server. Did I miss anything? Tracy Tracy L. Horstman UNIX System Administrator Lockheed Martin Enterprise Information Systems 9255 Wellington Rd. Manassas, VA 20110 Voice: (703) 367-2981 Fax: (703) 367-1389 E-mail: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 11:58:07 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04215 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.24.75] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A36C280050; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 11:48:44 EST Message-ID: <36FFB134.96BF46F0@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:58:28 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: msf training.. References: <3.0.3.32.19990331221833.006b309c@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > > I agree with the one warning part, but as to reasons for tossing Brian out > of the BRC. Cool! Brian, you hooligan you, you've been tossed from the class without even signing up. That must be some kind of record! :) Dale - I coulnd't get myself kicked out the first time around... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers. Mine. Ours. :) 1987 Suzuki Savage - Back into Service for a little while longer. 1998 Kawasaki Concours - RIP From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 12:19:58 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04595 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from 95 (207-172-106-2.s65.as1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.106.2]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19800 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:26:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199904011726.MAA19800@smtp2.erols.com> From: "D. Thompson" To: Subject: Fw: feet down, feet up Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:24:16 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In addition to Chris' suggestions, One little trick I use that my pop taught me is to position yourself at a little bit of an angle pointing at an escape route but with the majority of the bike still towards the center of the lane. This gives the cages more of you and your bike to see and still provides for quick exit if needed. Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." > 1 Samuel 2:30 > Chris wrote: > > I, too, have had the problem of being too far to one side and letting a > car > > driver pull up next to me, even on the highway. I think the solution is > > part -- > > 1) protecting your lane space with good positioning > > 2) protect your lane space by moving around a lot > > 3) just get the hell out of the way of crazy cagers > > > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 14:48:25 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07167 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from m3.boston.juno.com (m3.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.198]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA26132 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:48:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D654KVHX; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:45:33 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: state lines Message-ID: <19990401.000544.5263.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <00f801be7b34$1a04f180$6e0000c0@demon.clinitec> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-6,8-19 From: Bikes R Us Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:45:33 EST This is true. All three jurisdictions have reciprocity with one another. Any lawman who sees you commit your heinous crime can and probably will pursue you across the bridge and pop you, regardless of which direction you happen to be going when you do the deed. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:05:31 -0500 "George Howell" writes: >I think DC, VA, and MD have some agreements to allow overlap of >jurisdiction. If you're gonna let loose, do it when the man ain't in >sight. > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX >"I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 15:04:05 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA07505 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:04:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id PAA29328; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:05:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:05:35 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: British bikes and Swedish visitor Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A visitor from Sweden who rides an old (ca. 1960) BSA would like some help in finding local Brit bike people, parts, swap meets, and/or shows. If you are, have, or know about any of these, please let me know and I'll pass it on to him. Thanks. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 15:17:45 1999 Return-Path: rdwoodjr@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07793 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:17:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from gibberish.radix.net (port10.annex2.radix.net [209.48.226.10]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13796 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:17:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3703D490.20A0@radix.net> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 15:18:24 -0500 From: Richard Wood Reply-To: rdwoodjr@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/99 References: <199904010000.TAA16207@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > A friend of mine who took the safety course at Nova said that they teach > you to leave the bike in first gear when at a stop with your hand on the > clutch so you can take off if a car is going to hit you. > > Is this true? Is this realistic? Or is this just a good habit that I > probably won't pick up any time soon. Don't know what MSF says about this, but I sit at a light in gear until there are 2 cages behind me, with either the front brake lever pulled in, or the rear brake pedal pressed to initiate my 55w halogen brake light bulb. Richard Wood p.s. i was hit from behind 23 years ago at a stop light by a car going 50mph. and limped away. before this technique. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 16:04:56 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send304.yahoomail.com (web304.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.186]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA08785 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:04:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990401210727.27522.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.39.153] by web304.yahoomail.com; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 13:07:27 PST Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:07:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Tune and test day at Summit Point To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all... When I posted "tomorrow" I wasn't paying attention to the fact that it was after midnight.... Tune and Test was today (4/1). Due to the rain and general wet conditions, i wussed out :( I went as far as a few miles past Leesburgh this AM, and the rain kept getting harder the farther west I went, so I bailed and came back home... Oh well.. guess I'll have to get a lot out of the two practice sessions before the first race on April 10th....See ya'll out there... Collin _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 17:15:59 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10279 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:15:57 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id rIASa07227; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:04:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8b7da720.3703ed7a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:04:42 EST To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Tune and test day at Summit Point Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 No wonder I couldn't find you. I went over after I got back from a dental appointment in Sterling. Got to the track about 1:30 just as the rain was stopping. By little after 2:00 the line was dry and by 2:30 the track was dry except for the puddle between 7 and 8 and the one at the beginning of 10. The quickest rider I timed did a 1:34 and high change. Didn't time every one only the fastest few. I'm going to try to get over for your race. Bob From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 19:11:25 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12315 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 19:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA11928; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 19:13:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 19:13:28 -0500 (EST) From: Erik Schelzig X-Sender: schelzig@research To: "Collin T. Fagan" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tune and test day at Summit Point In-Reply-To: <19990401210727.27522.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII you don't ride a Yamaha 1100 do you? I was on Leesburg Pike and chatted briefly with a semi-soaked rider heading out that way. I was heading to Crossroads Cycle at the time on my t(c)rusty CX. allbests, erik ==== Erik J. Schelzig http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Collin T. Fagan wrote: > Hey all... When I posted "tomorrow" I wasn't paying attention to the > fact that it was after midnight.... Tune and Test was today (4/1). > > Due to the rain and general wet conditions, i wussed out :( > I went as far as a few miles past Leesburgh this AM, and the rain kept > getting harder the farther west I went, so I bailed and came back > home... > > Oh well.. guess I'll have to get a lot out of the two practice sessions > before the first race on April 10th....See ya'll out there... > Collin > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 19:13:01 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12391 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 19:13:00 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.2) id fWGDa27661; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 19:08:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9dd601f3.2435648f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 19:08:47 EST Subject: Re: British bikes and Swedish visitor To: garicao@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: Boiade@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/1/99 3:11:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, garicao@XXXXXX writes: << If you are, have, or know about any of these, please let me know and I'll pass it on to him. Thanks. >> have him call Frank Diehl at home 410-776-6932 or at Heyser Cycle at 410-721-7299. He is the area's BSA expert, raced at the top levels in AMA and now is the General Manager of Heyser Cycle in Laurel and does restoration of British bikes at home. Great guy. Rebuilt my Norton engine. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 19:21:41 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12575 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 19:21:39 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.2) id rYMLa21916; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 19:10:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 19:10:00 EST Subject: Re: Tune and test day at Summit Point To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: Boiade@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/1/99 4:14:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: << fact that it was after midnight.... Tune and Test was today (4/1). >> Damn, I was all set to go. LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 21:08:11 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14312 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:08:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup87.idsonline.com [209.136.96.87]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA18806 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:07:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: feet down, feet up Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:09:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be7cad$e0906b20$576088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Rich (13 years riding experience. Taking the MSF beginners course in > May.) Rich, please report on what you thought of the course and whether you learned anything, and most importantly, was it time/money well spent? Where are you taking it? Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 21:08:10 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14309 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:08:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup87.idsonline.com [209.136.96.87]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA18802 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:07:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: msf training.. Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:09:43 -0500 Message-ID: <000501be7cad$dfae96a0$576088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199903312352.SAA01114@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have never seen situation where instructor was forced to give > someone a warning, not to mention let someone go. > Well, it was in Ohio, boring midwestern state. During the course of the last 9 years I've probably taught upwards of 100 beginner classes. We ask people to leave in this order: they are a danger to themselves, the class, or the instructor, or under the following circumstances: 1. they can't ride a bicycle (this is simply too complicated to learn to do, if you can't balance the thing. 2. they clearly are in over their heads. 3. people who can't follow directions. I remember once we had a fellow who didn't speak American well, and ended up going counter to everyone else's direction. He was asked to leave--danger to other students. 4. Hot dogs who can't/won't follow directions--they are a danger to everyone, including themselves, they just don't know it. As an instructor, it's my responsibility to take care of the class. Mind you, in MD we all work with other instructors on the range, and never is the decision to eject a student made without conferring with one's compatriot instructor. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 21:08:08 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14306 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:08:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup87.idsonline.com [209.136.96.87]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA18799 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:07:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: feet down, feet up Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:09:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be7cad$defd9620$576088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199903312219.RAA11820@radagast.wizard.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > When is this change going to become effective? The instructor > materials I received 3 weeks ago still refer to it as MRC:RSS! Don't worry about it, Anita. Whatever it is called it is still the beginner's riding course. My old notebooks also say MRC:RSS. I don't know where I got the idea that the name has changed to BRC (it's so much shorter, :) ), maybe just here in MD. And perhaps I'm wrong. Won't be the first time!! Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 21:08:05 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14301 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup87.idsonline.com [209.136.96.87]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA18787 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:07:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: msf training.. Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:09:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be7cad$dc7823c0$576088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8ff5103f.3702ba30@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In a message dated 3/31/99 4:28:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, > henwin@XXXXXX > writes: > > << We don't cotton to that kind of behavior...sort of goes > against what we are > trying to teach. > >> > Ok, that does it, I have to respond. I ride a motorcycle for > thrills, not for > transportation. Transportation is much more capably handled by > an automobile > which among other things keeps one dry. > > If MSF doesn't "cotton" to "that kind of behaviour" it isn't for > me. I like > to pull wheelies, try to do stoppies and take my bike as close to > the limit as > my abilities allow me to. If this were not an option I would > have no desire > to ride a motorcycle. Anyway, as they say "those who can do and those who > can't teach". Fred, you missed the point. The question was concerning what if a STUDENT in a BEGINNERS class had pulled such stunts. If the instructor feels (at least in MD) that the student's behavior is endangering the student, class or instructor (in that order) then the student will be removed from the class. I can guarantee that if a student pulled such things in a class that I was teaching, they'd get one (and only one) warning. Next time....out they'd go. If you want to do those types of stunts on the road, that's fine with me (I won't ride with you, but that's OK too). Your behavior on the road is YOUR responsibility. However, don't be too surprised when DA MAN pulls you over and gives you a ticket for reckless driving. I also must disagree with your last statement. Lots of people can do, but the fact is few can teach WELL. I'm reasonably sure I could do the things you mention, but for various reasons I choose not to. But until you are a certified instructor, who has successfully taught then your last statement is bullshit as far as I am concerned. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 21:08:06 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14302 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (east-dialup87.idsonline.com [209.136.96.87]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA18790 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:07:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: flashing brake lights Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:09:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be7cad$dd84b1c0$576088d1@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00f701be7c0a$65c9e540$c121accf@l4rite> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Only works when the brake light is on. Art Crow at Rider's > Accessory Whse > in Falls Church used to carry there. Its 132 West Jefferson Street, Falls Church, VA 22046. Best thing to do is call and ask for directions. (703) 241-0733. I'd give them to you myself, but I don't know all of the street names, I simply know where it is and how to get there. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 21:22:22 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14611 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:22:20 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.2) id 9LGIa08674; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:19:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1ceb5480.24358342@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:19:46 EST Subject: Re: msf training.. To: henwin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: Boiade@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/1/99 9:16:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, henwin@XXXXXX writes: << The question was concerning what if a STUDENT in a BEGINNERS class had pulled such stunts. >> Well I happen to have ridden with Brian and he deserves the opportunity to do a wheelie or two in the class. Ciao. Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 1 23:44:48 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA16862 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:44:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA12184 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:44:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from gecko.troutman.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.122.216.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA13701 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:44:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by gecko.troutman.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA05064 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:44:36 -0500 Received: from iguana(172.16.50.1) by gecko via smap (V2.1) id xma005062; Thu, 1 Apr 99 23:44:17 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990401234035.00a019d0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 23:44:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Remotely MC Related - Yahoo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I can claim this as MC related since dc-cycles has a group area on Yahoo. Have you all taken a look at what My Yahoo can provide? Their customized content is incredible. As someone that is online for 14 hours a day (network administrator) I try to find really valuable information deposits - and My Yahoo is by far the best. From local movie theater listings, TV listings, new headlines, Outlook syncable calendar and contact lists - this once page replaces a dozen sites I use for current information. If you haven't been to the dc-cycles Yahoo group page - check it out. Although I did notice that this weekend's rides are not posted on the group calendar ;-) See most of you Saturday in Middleburg..... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 00:49:07 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA17835 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 00:49:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA01322; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 00:51:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 00:51:16 -0500 (EST) From: Erik Schelzig X-Sender: schelzig@research To: "Henry S. Winokur" cc: Dc-Cycles Subject: RE: msf training.. In-Reply-To: <000501be7cad$dfae96a0$576088d1@henrywin> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Henry S. Winokur wrote: > During the course of the last 9 years I've probably taught upwards of 100 > beginner classes. We ask people to leave in this order: they are a danger > to themselves, the class, or the instructor, or under the following > circumstances: [snip] > 3. people who can't follow directions. I remember once we had a fellow who > didn't speak American well, and ended up going counter to everyone else's > direction. He was asked to leave--danger to other students. why, was he English or something? [grin] allbests, erik (who would speak pidgen if it were up to him) From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 06:20:34 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA24415 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 06:20:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust045.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.45]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA19808; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 06:21:42 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990401234437.006a1e34@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 23:44:37 -0500 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: msf training.. Cc: Dc-Cycles In-Reply-To: <85256746.004F2F88.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:28 AM 4/1/99 -0500, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >Leon wrote: >I do allow experienced students to scrape pegs during the course. > >...Which is impossible because the @#$!% in front of you is riding too slow >and you can't get past 3 mph, and no matter how tight the circles are, you >can't scrape pegs at 3 mph. ;^) Perhaps not, considering the tight circles event that DC Cyclers have sometimes done: diameter of center of circle 11 ft, circumference 35 ft, time for six circles 30 sec, time for one circle 5 sec therefore 7 ft/sec. or about 5 mph. Chris Norloff was dragging his feet on the 750 last year, I don't recall if anyone actually scraped pegs. The WSDYMFG has the right idea; go slow on the straights so you can pick up speed around the corners. It works in the MSF course, too. Leon. > >Chris Weaver > >p.s. I was always frustrated with the slowness of my classmates during the >class I took... Can you tell? > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 07:39:43 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA25528 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <2DH1RBW9>; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 04:39:20 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: msf training.. Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 04:39:26 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > << The question was concerning what if a STUDENT > in a BEGINNERS class had pulled such stunts. >> > Well I happen to have ridden with Brian and he deserves the > opportunity to do > a wheelie or two in the class. LOL - thanks for the endorcment.. sheesh, this was all in jest and looky the flame-war that's spawned. Heck, everyone knows that racers tend to be the biggest hooligans out there, and the tracks know this.. it's not allowed.. strictly. Though, they don't seem to mind if you're on the race-track, or you just won a race.. a little show-boating for the crowd and all. I might put the thing down and scratch some pegs.. of course, the instructor might have a clue as I show up in full leathers with scuffed knee-pucks and WERA tech. inspection stickers on my helmet.. :P *grin* First.. first I need to heal though. Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 07:57:48 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA25822 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id AEC63200274; Fri, 02 Apr 1999 07:57:42 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990402074741.01295130@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 07:49:39 -0500 To: Dc-Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: msf training.. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990401234437.006a1e34@illuminet.net> References: <85256746.004F2F88.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >At 09:28 AM 4/1/99 -0500, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >>...Which is impossible because the @#$!% in front of you is riding too slow >>and you can't get past 3 mph, and no matter how tight the circles are, you >>can't scrape pegs at 3 mph. ;^) > >>>Leon wrote: >Perhaps not, considering the tight circles event that DC Cyclers have >sometimes done: >diameter of center of circle 11 ft, circumference 35 ft, time for six >circles 30 sec, time for one circle 5 sec therefore 7 ft/sec. or about 5 >mph. Chris Norloff was dragging his feet on the 750 last year, I don't >recall if anyone actually scraped pegs. When I could get my feet out of the way, I got far enough over with both the 750 and later the BMW K100 to touch down the engine guards. I was able to set a few low times, until Collin got warmed up. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 07:57:48 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA25823 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:57:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id AEC93200274; Fri, 02 Apr 1999 07:57:45 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990402075055.0129c890@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 07:55:37 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: msf training.. In-Reply-To: <000101be7cad$dc7823c0$576088d1@henrywin> References: <8ff5103f.3702ba30@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Ok, that does it, I have to respond. I ride a motorcycle for >> thrills, not for transportation. Transportation is much more capably handled >>by an automobile which among other things keeps one dry. For my daily transportation (commuting), my bike is faster, cheaper and more fun than a car. My Aerostich suit keeps me dry. >> If MSF doesn't "cotton" to "that kind of behaviour" it isn't for >> me. I like to pull wheelies, try to do stoppies and take my bike as close to >> the limit as my abilities allow me to. If this were not an option I would >> have no desire to ride a motorcycle. That instructors concerned with safety and teaching new riders would not want a stunt rider in their class should not be an amazing revelation to anyone. >>Anyway, as they say "those who can do and those who can't teach". Cool! So you're a professional motorcycle rider or stunt rider? Tell us all about it. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 08:39:22 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26434 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:39:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id A8878030270; Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:39:19 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990402083901.012dd010@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:39:35 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: SIG line -- fur vs. leather Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Interesting SIG line I came across -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Are people more violently opposed to fur rather than leather because it's much easier to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs? ------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 08:48:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26597 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:48:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17939 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from alms1.fw.att.com (alms1.att.com [192.128.167.146]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA18511 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by alms1.fw.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with SMTP id IAA19041 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE7CE5.7BA1F840@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:47:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Prevention of being hit from behind . . . Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:47:45 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, I've read the horror stories and will admit it makes me nervous. However, for those out there that have avoided the hit-from-behind scenario, can you without a doubt tell when someone is coming up too fast? I mean, whenever I see a cager coming up behind me, especially in NOVA, it makes me nervous. They don't seem to realize that they don't have to 100mph between each light and that casually going from light to light will save their brakes AND sanity. ;-) (How many NOVA cagers are actually sane, though??) Opinions please . . . . TIA. John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 08:54:48 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26686 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:54:47 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.2) id 4FHZa02568; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:54:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <897ef4c4.24362603@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:54:11 EST Subject: Re: msf training.. To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Reply-To: Boiade@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/2/99 8:02:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: << Cool! So you're a professional motorcycle rider or stunt rider? Tell us all about it. >> Well you got me there. I think professional implies positive cash flow so my racing career was certainly amateurish. As far as stunts, well mostly involuntary as a result of racing an H-1 (alternately known as the flexible flyer or flying coffin) for a while . I don't know if I have ridden with you but I can only assume that you are a capable rider, no offense intended in my "those that do..." quote, but it is an often used expression. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 09:11:36 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web306.yahoomail.com (web306.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.188]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26949 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:11:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990402141151.11912.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web306.yahoomail.com; Fri, 02 Apr 1999 06:11:51 PST Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 06:11:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: msf training.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It may be a flame war Brian, but at least it's a new one... In fact, I think this is the first flame war over the various names of the msf created riders courses and then gravitating into hooliganism at said course that I've ever seen on any of the lists I watch..... We *could* just be rehashing the same ole helmet, oil, HD vs. the world, etc. kind of flame wars :) Collin _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 09:28:51 1999 Return-Path: redbelly@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27286 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:28:49 -0500 (EST) From: redbelly@XXXXXX Received: from lejnarj ([156.40.49.10]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA1700160 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:28:47 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: To: Subject: Help with revenge Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:28:11 -0500 Message-ID: <002801be7d15$0aead560$0a31289c@lejnarj.drg.nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hey, I need some help. I need some good venison, about 4 pounds. I don't care what it costs. The reason I need this is last May 10th I crashed my Hawk hard because of a deer. I still can't ride for at least 3 more weeks. But come hell or high water I will ride that day and I will eat venison and curse that F#%*ing deer. Any help that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!! Jay Goddard 89 Hawk (better than new) 98 Triumph 595 (burning a hole in my garage) 85 Interceptor 500 (for sale in 1 week) From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 09:37:56 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27466 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 433 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:37:50 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990402093247.01a5e3c0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 09:37:49 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Flame Wars In-Reply-To: <19990402141151.11912.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So - has anyone gathered a list of the hostile flame war topics that tend to erupt here? Let me begin with Collin's list.... Not in order of occurance / frequency 1) The Little Wave 2) I'd rather ride my Honda than haul my Harley 3) Synthetic Oil vs. Dino 4) Helmet Laws 5) Winter riders vs. garage queens 6) Non-MC List Content Any others I am missing? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 09:47:30 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27626 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <2C6P1NPY>; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:43:46 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F5383F7@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., SAM" To: "'redbelly@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Help with revenge Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:43:54 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Try this place... http://www.exoticmeats.com/ I've never ordered there before but it looks like they have everything. Glenn Hey, I need some help. I need some good venison, about 4 pounds. I don't care what it costs. The reason I need this is last May 10th I crashed my Hawk hard because of a deer. I still can't ride for at least 3 more weeks. But come hell or high water I will ride that day and I will eat venison and curse that F#%*ing deer. Any help that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 09:57:32 1999 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27784 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10T5L7-0000Mm-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:54:33 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01335 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:55:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:01:20 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED861@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tune and test day at Summit Point Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:01:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > Due to the rain and general wet conditions, I wussed out :( > I went as far as a few miles past Leesburgh this AM, and the rain kept > getting harder the farther west I went, so I bailed and came back > home... Well the day wasn't a total loss. I think I went out in about 7 sessions and about 4 of those were in rain. One was on a completely wet track after the rain stopped and for my last two sessions the track was about 90% dry and I was approaching real race speeds. Everyone seemed to ride with their heads on in the wet as there was only a couple low speed accidents that I witnessed, both in the river that was between turns 7 and 8. The ambulance never came out. There were only about seven riders per session and sometimes fewer so traffic wasn't an issue most of the time. Riding on Summit in the rain is not fun. It is MUCH slicker than riding on the street in the rain. I was crawling around the turns and my tires, front and back, were constantly sliding at very slight lean angles. Rain tires may have helped a little but I cant imagine much more than a little. Back in January I raced at Roebling Road in the rain and the difference was night and day. At Roebling I could ride at about 80% on a wet track and come close to getting a puck down in the high speed sweeper (turn 9). At summit we were riding at about 50% just hoping to stay out of trouble. Overall I was glad I went. I got in a couple of reasonably dry and fast sessions and if I ever have to race in the rain (for points) at least I will know what to expect. Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 10:03:20 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27885 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id AC2891028E; Fri, 02 Apr 1999 10:03:04 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990402100029.012a59f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 10:02:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Flame Wars In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990402093247.01a5e3c0@mail.wheatintl.com> References: <19990402141151.11912.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:37 AM 4/2/99 , Mike Troutman wrote: >So - has anyone gathered a list of the hostile flame war topics >1) The Little Wave >2) I'd rather ride my Honda than haul my Harley >3) Synthetic Oil vs. Dino >4) Helmet Laws >5) Winter riders vs. garage queens >6) Non-MC List Content > >Any others I am missing? 7) Right-angle tire valve stems vs. straight ones. I can't believe the number of times hostile flame wars have broken out over wusses who use right-angle valve stems versus manly men who use straight ones. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 10:04:49 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27917 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:04:48 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.2) id oSKLa00642; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:58:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:58:16 EST Subject: Re: Flame Wars To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Reply-To: Boiade@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/2/99 9:48:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: << Any others I am missing? >> 1. Rear brake usage-Very violent flames on this one. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 10:14:43 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28085 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <2CZ3RB9D>; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:14:32 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Flame Wars Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:14:28 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > > 7) Right-angle tire valve stems vs. straight ones. > > I can't believe the number of times hostile flame wars have > broken out over > wusses who use right-angle valve stems versus manly men who > use straight ones. Funny.. I've never seen either this flame-war topic OR bent valve-stems.. that sounds like a great idea! I'll have to look into them next time I change tires. Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 10:20:28 1999 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (brown@XXXXXX [199.34.35.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28254 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA30096 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:20:24 -0500 From: Dan Brown Message-Id: <199904021520.KAA30096@tiamat.obscure.org> Subject: Re: Flame Wars To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:20:24 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990402100029.012a59f0@mail.toward.com> from "Chris Norloff" at Apr 2, 99 10:02:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > >Any others I am missing? > Shooting your handgun with your right hand or your left as you ride... From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 10:20:51 1999 Return-Path: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.ny.us.ibm.com (smtp7.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28275 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:20:50 -0500 (EST) From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by smtp7.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA63620; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:19:53 -0500 Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v1.8) with SMTP id KAA84842; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:19:45 -0500 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256747.005431F9 ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:19:38 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: redbelly@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256747.00543095.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:19:34 -0500 Subject: Help with revenge Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I know both the Anglers Inn and Serbian Crown both serve venison, you might try them to see if they'll sell you some or where they get it from. Had you been quicker, you could have tried the Montgomery County police when they were cleaning out Brookside Gardens last week. >> Jay Goddard wrote in part >>Hey, >>I need some help. I need some good venison, about 4 pounds. I don't >>care >>what it costs. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 Jay Goddard 89 Hawk (better than new) 98 Triumph 595 (burning a hole in my garage) 85 Interceptor 500 (for sale in 1 week) From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 10:42:23 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28598 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19203 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20607 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA10520; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 15:42:29 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990402154213.GQEL24719@[166.41.242.214]>; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:42:13 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Carver, John" , Subject: RE: Prevention of being hit from behind . . . Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:40:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000301be7d1f$1beede10$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal >(How many NOVA cagers are > actually sane, though??) > > Opinions please . . . . > I'm not. But that's just my opinion ;) T From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 10:42:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28608 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19209 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:42:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20617 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:42:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA09459; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 15:41:42 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990402154212.GQDX24719@[166.41.242.214]>; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:42:12 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Mike T" , Subject: RE: Remotely MC Related - Yahoo Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:40:16 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be7d1f$1b1d8450$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <4.1.19990401234035.00a019d0@www.troutman.org> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal I'm with Mike on this one. I use My Yahoo! as my home page. I've got it set up to track daily stock prices of those I'm interested in, to list news headlines about the telecom industry and any stock IPO's, to list the nightly TV programs, and some sports scoreboards. The thing is, is that you can customize it to your needs. Very cool. Todd > > I can claim this as MC related since dc-cycles has a group area on Yahoo. > Have you all taken a look at what My Yahoo can provide? Their customized > content is incredible. As someone that is online for 14 hours a day > (network administrator) I try to find really valuable information deposits > - and My Yahoo is by far the best. From local movie theater listings, TV > listings, new headlines, Outlook syncable calendar and contact > lists - this > once page replaces a dozen sites I use for current information. > > If you haven't been to the dc-cycles Yahoo group page - check it out. > Although I did notice that this weekend's rides are not posted on > the group > calendar ;-) > > See most of you Saturday in Middleburg..... > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 10:47:06 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28687 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:47:05 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.2) id sWXTa14001; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:41:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:41:42 EST Subject: Re: Help with revenge To: knapik@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: redbelly@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Reply-To: Boiade@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/2/99 10:39:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, knapik@XXXXXX writes: << Serbian Crown >> An unfortunate name for a restaurant at this time.:-) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 10:52:28 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@[207.124.52.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28774 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:52:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from My ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA01482 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:54:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199904021554.KAA01482@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:53:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Flame Wars Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.1.19990402100029.012a59f0@mail.toward.com> References: <4.1.19990402093247.01a5e3c0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Shaft drive vs. Chain drive Mommyvans & Volvos -John Newman Fzr 400 > At 09:37 AM 4/2/99 , Mike Troutman wrote: > >So - has anyone gathered a list of the hostile flame war topics > >1) The Little Wave > >2) I'd rather ride my Honda than haul my Harley > >3) Synthetic Oil vs. Dino > >4) Helmet Laws > >5) Winter riders vs. garage queens > >6) Non-MC List Content > > > >Any others I am missing? > > > 7) Right-angle tire valve stems vs. straight ones. From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 11:11:18 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29076 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:05:51 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Flame Wars Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:05:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain How can anyone forget _appropriate gear for a group ride_ ("and he was wearing tennies!!")? -Mark '83 V65 Magna > Shaft drive vs. Chain drive > Mommyvans & Volvos > > -John Newman > Fzr 400 > > > > At 09:37 AM 4/2/99 , Mike Troutman wrote: > > >So - has anyone gathered a list of the hostile flame war topics > > >1) The Little Wave > > >2) I'd rather ride my Honda than haul my Harley > > >3) Synthetic Oil vs. Dino > > >4) Helmet Laws > > >5) Winter riders vs. garage queens > > >6) Non-MC List Content > > > > > >Any others I am missing? > > > > > > 7) Right-angle tire valve stems vs. straight ones. From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 11:19:42 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from alms1.fw.att.com (alms1.att.com [192.128.167.146]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29253 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:19:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by alms1.fw.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with SMTP id LAA02957 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BE7CFA.8A46DA40@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:18:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Richmond Bike show Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:18:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just uploaded some pics from the Richmond Bike show. A couple of them turned out a little dark. I will be fixing them, probably next week. In the mean time, check out the award-winning Virginia British Motorcycle Club stand. Nice job, Syke and Patty! pics are here: http://www.erie.net/~mrpink/vbmc/ Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 11:21:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29347 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA20041 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:21:24 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21747 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.2) id rZVHa09036; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:15:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:15:52 EST Subject: Re: Prevention of being hit from behind . . . To: jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Reply-To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX no - but I can tell when they're coming too fast to make nervous ... and if they hit you - well, then ya know! ;D I try to put my bike so I can accerlerate forward between cars if needed and if I think they're coming too fast, flash the brake lights and cross my fingers .... (it happened to me once already) Marcy In a message dated 4/2/99 8:52:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, jcarver@XXXXXX writes: > can you without a doubt tell when someone is coming up too > fast? From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 11:28:04 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29463 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:28:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA20153 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:28:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21855 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:27:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10T6m6-0002zQ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:26:30 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18427 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:33:17 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED864@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Remotely MC Related - Yahoo Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:33:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > I'm with Mike on this one. I use My Yahoo! as my home page. > I've got it > set up to track daily stock prices of those I'm interested > in, to list news > headlines about the telecom industry and any stock IPO's, to list the > nightly TV programs, and some sports scoreboards. The thing > is, is that you > can customize it to your needs. Very cool. I was using MY-Yahoo but switched to MY-Excite (www.excite.com). It has been a while since I made the switch and I havent used MY-yahoo since then, but at the time I switched I found my-exite to be more "customizable" and more to my liking. It had been a while like I said so I dont remember too many specifics and perhaps MY-Yahoo has gotten better since I used it, I just thought I would throw that bit of info into the mix. For what its worth, one of the internet trade mags I get rated a bunch of those types of services (just about all the major search engines have them, also netscape and AOL I believe) and they rated my-exite to be the best. Again, that article was several months ago and on the internet lots changes in several months so keep that in mind. I'd be curious to hear if anyone on the list started with my-exite and switched to my-yahoo, and what they thought. Reply to me off list if you think this is too far off topic. Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 12:57:45 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01252 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:57:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA02311 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:57:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:57:36 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: Dc-Cycles Subject: RE: msf training.. In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990402074741.01295130@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > When I could get my feet out of the way, I got far enough over with both > the 750 and later the BMW K100 to touch down the engine guards. I was able > to set a few low times, until Collin got warmed up. :-) The bastard! I'll have to bring the CB125 out for the next one... I suspect I'll just be able to peg that thing wide open... :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 13:09:04 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01460 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <2CZ3RD23>; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:09:00 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: msf training.. Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:08:56 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > The bastard! I'll have to bring the CB125 out for the next one... I > suspect I'll just be able to peg that thing wide open... :) Hey.. if we're allowing non-street legal machinery.. I have a 125 I could bring out.. you DEFINATALLY won't be able to just pin that one.. ;) From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 13:12:38 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web309.yahoomail.com (web310.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA01547 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:12:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990402181516.29163.rocketmail@web309.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by web310.yahoomail.com; Fri, 02 Apr 1999 10:15:16 PST Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:15:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: msf training.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hmmmmm... Hey Brian! Think if I keep the R's up nice and high on that RS125 of yours that it'll be able to handle them small circles OK?? If not, it'd be damn fun on the big circles.... he he he CT --- Kirk Roy wrote: > The bastard! I'll have to bring the CB125 out for the next one... I > suspect I'll just be able to peg that thing wide open... :) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 13:17:05 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01638 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA02693 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:17:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:17:01 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: msf training.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > The bastard! I'll have to bring the CB125 out for the next one... I > > suspect I'll just be able to peg that thing wide open... :) > > Hey.. if we're allowing non-street legal machinery.. I have a 125 I could > bring out.. you DEFINATALLY won't be able to just pin that one.. ;) Who said the CB isn't street legal? While I have no intention of putting it on the road (at least right now) the bike has all the street gear on it and was a street bike from the start. It'll only pull 45mph or so, in current trim. As for the RS - I guess that punk must've backed out on the RGV trade... Too bad. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 13:21:31 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01758 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:20:50 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" , "'garicao@XXXXXX'" Subject: British bikes and Swedish visitor Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:20:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Garcia Oliver sez, "A visitor from Sweden who rides an old (ca. 1960) BSA would like some help in finding local Brit bike people, parts, swap meets, and/or shows. If you are, have, or know about any of these, please let me know and I'll pass it on to him. Thanks." British Bike Days is an annual event in Maryland (Between Germantown & Damascus) on the Sunday before Memorial Day. Nifty event, even for rice-pasta-kraut rocket riders. Myer's Cycle Engineering (301-897-0050) has parts, advice, good B.S., and sympathy for Brit Bike aficionados. They're in Kensington, MD on Summit (Just north of Knowles, twixt Connecticut & Rockville Pike) Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 13:31:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01961 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:31:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA21957 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:31:03 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24857 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.2) id vVUEa02951 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:30:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:30:31 EST Subject: Re: Flame Wars To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 Reply-To: NJitzul@XXXXXX One word... Squids!! Sheesh... I made the mistake of mentioning that word one time! =8^O Robert "Squidly cruiser rider?" VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 13:47:28 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02274 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:47:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA28834; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:47:24 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from galileo.concentric.net (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA04691; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:47:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:47:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Flame Wars In-Reply-To: <199904021520.KAA30096@tiamat.obscure.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well obviously you would use your left hand so as to maintain a given speed and improve your aim. However if your at a light and in gear than you would have to use your right hand. How could this topic possibly be controversial? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, Dan Brown wrote: > > > > > > >Any others I am missing? > > > > > Shooting your handgun with your right hand or your left as you ride... > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 14:00:19 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02541 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22242 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA25664 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:00:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id NAA22795; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:59:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:59:43 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: "Carver, John" cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Prevention of being hit from behind . . . In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Your first clue is that usually they aren't looking straight ahead (This, of course, doesn't fly at night when you can't see the person). Cager looking for dropped item in passanger seat is rather terrifying as you will see a car with no driver approaching you at a high rate of speed :) In the two experiances I've had with this, one I just knew (evidentally brain was running math calculations as a background task and advised hands to drop clutch and twist throttle). The other one was a conscious decision made very easy once she locked up the breaks (I was already thinking it was bad, that confirmed it and I was gone). Your brain is VERY good at visual processing, and the little voice will start screaming the first instant something doesn't look right. Listen to the little voice :) - Brian On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, Carver, John wrote: > Okay, I've read the horror stories and will admit it makes me nervous. > However, for those out there that have avoided the hit-from-behind > scenario, can you without a doubt tell when someone is coming up too > fast? I mean, whenever I see a cager coming up behind me, especially in > NOVA, it makes me nervous. They don't seem to realize that they don't > have to 100mph between each light and that casually going from light to > light will save their brakes AND sanity. ;-) (How many NOVA cagers are > actually sane, though??) > > Opinions please . . . . > > TIA. > > John > 98 VFR > From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 14:06:11 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02644 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:06:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:00:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Flame Wars Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:00:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain What, you've never heard of a throttle control? And what of the issue of flying casings getting caught in the wind? -Mark Wednesday I had not one but two cig butts bounce off of my legs on the ride home. Friggin assholes. > -----Original Message----- > From: Hugh A. Caldwell [SMTP:Turnip@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 02, 1999 1:47 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Flame Wars > > > Well obviously you would use your left hand > so as to maintain a given speed and improve your aim. > However if your at a light and in gear than you would > have to use your right hand. How could this topic > possibly be controversial? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, Dan Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Any others I am missing? > > > > > > > > > Shooting your handgun with your right hand or your left as you > ride... > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 14:26:00 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02949 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <2CZ3RDZW>; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:25:55 -0800 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Leathers FS.. Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:25:48 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) this is a sweet deal...:) Contact Tony Bell.. not me. From: Vjbracing@XXXXXX Reply-To: 125gp@XXXXXX To: 125gp@XXXXXX Subject: 125gp: Suit for sale Hey guys I hope you wilfor give me, but I have jsu remebered I have leather suit that I have never used. As you know, Kushitani are the best leathers on the plant.This suit was made to measure, but has never been worn, not once. They will fit 5-8'160-170lbs.( passibly150even ) They are same colour and design as the suit Vicky Jackson-Bell wore in 1998. Cost $1,800 a steal at $895. Tony vjbracing From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 15:33:41 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04286 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 15:33:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc2-s37.wizard.net [206.161.15.113]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA26147 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 15:33:51 -0500 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: Tomorrow's Group Ride (VA) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 15:36:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be7d48$886832c0$710fa1ce@anita> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Looks like weather will be okay.. mostly cloudy, chance of a sprinkle... at least it will be warm! So, the ride is 100% a go... remember, 8:00 AM at Cycle Sport in Springfield, or 10:00 AM at the Exxon in Middleburg. Email me if you have any questions.. I do check email from home. See you tomorrow! Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 16:27:20 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05315 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-5.01) id A63293D0248; Fri, 02 Apr 1999 16:27:14 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990402162443.012887e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 16:27:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: [non-moto] Coast Guard and payment for rescues Cc: cfagan@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Collin - Your Commandant wrote a really good opinion piece in the Washington Post. It seems like it relates somehow to motorcycling, but I'm not sure how! Chris Norloff http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-04/02/044l-040299-idx.ht= ml Condition? Position? Credit Card? Why the Coast Guard won't accept payment for its work. By James M. Loy Friday, April 2, 1999; Page A29=20 When Richard Branson ditched his hot-air balloon off the coast of Hawaii last winter, media coverage focused on the money the Coast Guard spent to pluck the balloonists from the ocean, Branson's great wealth and the Coast Guard's policy of not seeking reimbursement from the people it rescues. Why did the Coast Guard spend so much money to rescue a millionaire thrill-seeker without asking to be paid back? About the same time, the Coast Guard rescued -- as we do every winter -- a number of ice fishermen who found themselves stranded on drifting ice floes. The same questions arose. Shouldn't people who deliberately put themselves at risk reimburse the Coast Guard for the cost of their rescues? Shouldn't people who can afford rescues be asked to pay for them? I oppose seeking reimbursement for any search-and-rescue case. Two very bad things would happen if we opened this Pandora's Box. First, financial considerations would keep people from reporting their conditions and seeking help in the early stages of distress. In the business world, time is money. In the search-and-rescue business, time is life. Just as the fire department wants you to call 911 as soon as you smell smoke in your house, the Coast Guard wants to hear from you as soon as you begin to get concerned about your ability to handle the conditions you're facing on the water. If the specter of financial reimbursement hung over the decision to report maritime distress, we could get fewer calls, we would get calls during later stages of emergencies, and more people would die at sea. This factor alone outweighs any consideration of how much money we might recoup. There is another compelling factor. If we charged for rescues, the Coast Guard would forever battle the possibility of having financial considerations affect our search-planning decisions. We would be endlessly second-guessed. Why did we send that helicopter after the guy who could pay us back but only a small boat after the deckhand on the fishing boat? Are we absolutely sure that reimbursement wasn't a factor? Similarly, it would be impossible to construct an objective test for deciding when people are so wealthy that they ought to bear the cost of their rescues. You'd be surprised what a properly motivated boater really can afford. Presented with the choice of paying for his rescue or drowning, a man treading water in the middle of the ocean would gladly mortgage his house if that's what it takes to be hoisted into the helicopter hovering overhead. However, it is manifestly immoral to associate our humanitarian obligation with the cost of fulfilling it. The Coast Guard values the life of the most destitute immigrant the same as that of the wealthiest adventure seeker. We would devote the same resources to rescue either one, and we have absolutely no interest in distinguishing between them. We assign cutters and aircraft to particular cases based on the nature and location of the distress, not on the status of the person who is in distress. I do not welcome legislative or policy initiatives that might distract my operational commanders from the business of saving lives. The Coast Guard is recognized as a good steward of public funds. That's why the Coast Guard will continue its work to prevent distress situations through public education, requirements for carrying safety equipment and other measures. That's why the Coast Guard will continue to reduce the taxpayer's burden by referring nonemergency cases to commercial towing services when it is appropriate to do so. However, the cost of a few high-profile cases pales before the moral and humanitarian effects of changing the way we respond to the "routine" cases we handle every year with the attendant saving of 4,000 lives. As long as I'm commandant, you won't hear any of my Coast Guard radio operators say, "Roger, sir. I understand you're taking on water and preparing to abandon ship. Can you tell me your position and give me the number of a major credit card?" Adm. Loy is commandant of the U.S. Coast Guard.=20 =A9 Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 16:30:38 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from ww182.netaddress.usa.net (ww182.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.82]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05431 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:30:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23798 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Apr 1999 21:30:30 -0000 Message-ID: <19990402213030.23797.qmail@ww182.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.82 by ww182 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.30) on Fri Apr 2 21:30:30 GMT 1999 Date: 2 Apr 99 16:30:30 EST From: LindaT To: dc Subject: Grace period?? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.30) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got the tags for my KLR250. Now I have to get the FFX county sticker a= nd the inspection. Do I have to have both of these before I can ride on the= street, or do I have 30 days (or something) to get them done?? Anyone hazard a guess??? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/index.html ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 16:46:27 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from ww183.netaddress.usa.net (ww183.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.83]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05708 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:46:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25927 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Apr 1999 21:46:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19990402214623.25926.qmail@ww183.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.83 by ww183 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.30) on Fri Apr 2 21:46:23 GMT 1999 Date: 2 Apr 99 16:46:23 EST From: LindaT To: dc Subject: Fwd: [Grace period??] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.30) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----NetAddressPart-00--=_BVUX0624S834b854570" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------NetAddressPart-00--=_BVUX0624S834b854570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well DUH??? I called FFX police and the nice 'call-taker' said I have n= o grace period on the inspection, but up to 60 (sounded a little hesitant) = days to get the county sticker. OH Well. I got the tags for my KLR250. Now I have to get the FFX county sticker a= nd the inspection. Do I have to have both of these before I can ride on the= street, or do I have 30 days (or something) to get them done?? Anyone hazard a guess??? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/index.html ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ------NetAddressPart-00--=_BVUX0624S834b854570 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Forwarded Message" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from 204.68.24.82 by ww182 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.30) on Fri Apr 2 21:30:30 GMT 1999 Date: 2 Apr 99 16:30:30 EST From: LindaT To: dc Subject: Grace period?? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.30) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got the tags for my KLR250. Now I have to get the FFX county sticker a= nd the inspection. Do I have to have both of these before I can ride on the= street, or do I have 30 days (or something) to get them done?? Anyone hazard a guess??? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/index.html ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ------NetAddressPart-00--=_BVUX0624S834b854570-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 16:59:53 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05889 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:59:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce (user78.anent.com [208.195.115.78]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA00812; Fri, 02 Apr 1999 16:54:08 -0500 Message-ID: <002001be7d54$57e801a0$4e73c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "LindaT" , "dc" Subject: Re: Grace period?? Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:01:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 You may have a grace period on the county sticker but not on the inspection. The only exception I can think of would be if you were riding to the inspection station on the brand new tags, but, you may need to have an appointment to prove it to the officer. >I got the tags for my KLR250. Now I have to get the FFX county sticker and >the inspection. Do I have to have both of these before I can ride on the >street, or do I have 30 days (or something) to get them done?? > >Anyone hazard a guess??? > > > >LindaT. >95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting) >86 KLR250 Klarabelle >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/index.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 17:03:32 1999 Return-Path: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06007 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:03:31 -0500 (EST) From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from Lordorange@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.2) id 2MHFa06627 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:01:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:01:13 EST Subject: Track Day June 17th To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Reply-To: Lordorange@XXXXXX Hello all, Loudoun Motorsports in Leesburg, Virginia is sponsoring a track day at Summit Point Raceway on Thursday, June 17th, 1999. The final cost has not been established yet, but the price is expected to come in at less than $120.00 per rider. If you're interested, please contact Loudoun Motorsports at (703) 777-1652 . Not all details have been worked out yet - so they won't be able to answer all questions. However, I have received a good response so you may wish to reserve a spot quickly. The following modifications to your bike will be necessary to get onto the track: Safety wire the oil drain plug, Tape up all glass, lights and speedo, Drain out coolant and replace with distilled water, Proper riding attire - leather race suit preferred, but a leather jacket and 2 pair of pants acceptable My role in all of this is that I am the president of the local bike club (the Appalacian Motorcycle Club) which is sponsored by Loudoun Motorsports. My only goal is to get my own self on the track with all of you and have some fun!! -matt From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 21:01:09 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA09872 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:01:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (dc-csesp50.idsonline.com [207.176.21.50]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA00304 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:00:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: British bikes and Swedish visitor Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:02:46 -0500 Message-ID: <000301be7d76$11480ca0$3215b0cf@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Garcia Oliver sez, "A visitor from Sweden who rides an old (ca. 1960) BSA > would like some help in finding local Brit bike people, parts, swap meets, > and/or shows. If you are, have, or know about any of these, please let me > know and I'll pass it on to him. Thanks." > > British Bike Days is an annual event in Maryland (Between Germantown & > Damascus) > on the Sunday before Memorial Day. Nifty event, even for rice-pasta-kraut > rocket riders. It's been held at Butler's Orchard the past couple of years. Take 270 N to 118 East (Germantown) to 355. Left on 355, then right on 27. Then right on Brink Road and follow the signs. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 21:11:13 1999 Return-Path: henwin@XXXXXX Received: from cpcug.org (cpcug.org [205.197.248.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA09966 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrywin (dc-csesp50.idsonline.com [207.176.21.50]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA01376 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:10:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Henry S. Winokur" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Grace period?? Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:12:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be7d77$79fda9c0$3215b0cf@henrywin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990402213030.23797.qmail@ww182.netaddress.usa.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I got the tags for my KLR250. Now I have to get the FFX county > sticker and > the inspection. Do I have to have both of these before I can ride on the > street, or do I have 30 days (or something) to get them done?? > > Anyone hazard a guess??? Why guess? Call the police in your jurisdiction. I'm sure they'll be happy to explain it to you. Henry S. Winokur '87 Concours, '94 GTS 1000 AMA Lifer, COG #39, MRF, MSF/MD MSP Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 22:48:09 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web305.yahoomail.com (web305.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.187]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA11449 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 22:48:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990403035500.10441.rocketmail@web305.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.172.112.195] by web305.yahoomail.com; Fri, 02 Apr 1999 19:55:00 PST Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 19:55:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Is it morning yet??? :) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hope the weather stays as nice tomorrow as it was all day today. Hope to see everyone out on the ride tomorrow... "Pepe the pack Mule" and I will be at the Exxon in Middleburgh plenty early and ready to go! I'm guessing I'll probably tool along in the faster group.. See ya out there in the AM... Collin _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 23:00:17 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA11666 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from brn626 (207-172-77-184.s57.as3.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.77.184]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA14616 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:00:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000501be7d86$874e5520$b84daccf@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: See ya in the A.M. Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:00:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Can't wait to meet some a few of you from DCCyles. I'll been on the FZR600 w/ most of the stickers removed. See ya in the a.m. Brian N. From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 2 23:03:53 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA11676 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:03:52 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.3) id 2DQDa16685 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:02:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:02:08 EST Subject: Some of this may apply to moto To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Reply-To: McKeithen@XXXXXX http://members.xoom.com/minimopar/oilfilterstudy.html From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 3 00:08:42 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12771 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:08:41 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.3) id 2SDNa13545 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:36:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5b249741.243702de@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:36:30 EST Subject: Saturday ride - Cycle Sport Springfield Directions To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Reply-To: Eternity23@XXXXXX Where is it & how di I get there from Sterling? (I can swing the Springfield part...although the particulars of where in Springfield might affect which route I might take. Any info/recommendations will be greatly appreciated!) -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 3 00:14:56 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12882 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:14:54 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA04026; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:14:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199904030514.AAA04026@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: See ya in the A.M. To: brn626@XXXXXX (Brian N) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:14:48 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000501be7d86$874e5520$b84daccf@brn626> from "Brian N" at Apr 2, 99 11:00:33 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Btw, if you want to see some of wydymf - http://www.apk.net/zbig/wydy/index.html warning: images are in high-res ( rather large :-) _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 3 00:36:43 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (alex-va-n008c091.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13291 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id AAA23257; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:36:33 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:36:33 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Roach Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: Eternity23@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride - Cycle Sport Springfield Directions In-Reply-To: <5b249741.243702de@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII CycleSport is on Backlick road near springfield mall. It's in the shopping center where backlick becomes one two-way road instead of two one-way roads (see map at link below - it's the very evident fork in Rt 617) The shopping center and shop are on the west side of the fork. http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?screen=ia-map-result&north=1&uid=u9q201g0u6r5caqq&randon=1114&link=ia-map-result - Brian On Sat, 3 Apr 1999 Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > Where is it & how di I get there from Sterling? (I can swing the Springfield > part...although the particulars of where in Springfield might affect which > route I might take. Any info/recommendations will be greatly appreciated!) > > -Sean Jordan > From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 3 00:36:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13301 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA29185 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:36:48 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA10565 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:36:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.3) id vDEZa06167 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:35:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19fa1a50.243702ab@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:35:39 EST Subject: Re: See ya in the A.M. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 Reply-To: NJitzul@XXXXXX Just wanted to wish you all a fun and safe ride! I finally got the "Black Wolf" back, but I have a prior commitment to be a motor marshall for a bicycle race. Is it too early to set up a group ride for next Saturday? Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 3 05:31:45 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web311.yahoomail.com (web311.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.107]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA21375 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 05:31:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990403103237.21137.rocketmail@web311.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.70.70.56] by web311.yahoomail.com; Sat, 03 Apr 1999 02:32:37 PST Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:32:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Saturday ride - Cycle Sport Springfield Directions To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From the Beltway heading to the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, take Braddock Road (Exit 5) East. At the intersection with Backlick (approx one mile or so), turn right. After a spell, it becomes a one way road. Then it becomes Amherst. You'll pass some lights, go up over a bridge (Old Keene Mill) and down again. then it will veer to the left to rejoin Backlick. You'll see a Texaco on the right. Turn left (actually going back onto Backlick, in the other direction). Cycle Sports will be on your right in the shopping center. You should see the Yamaha sign. Have fun, I'll be teaching at Alexandria today. Louis --- Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > Where is it & how di I get there from Sterling? (I can swing the Springfield > part...although the particulars of where in Springfield might affect which > route I might take. Any info/recommendations will be greatly appreciated!) > > -Sean Jordan > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 3 18:47:23 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03427 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA11519 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 23:46:23 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.172.57]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990403234651.DLZK31194@toddnt> for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 17:46:51 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: DC-Cycles First Ride! Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:44:46 -0500 Message-ID: <000701be7e2b$f4cb4bd0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal >From under a cover of early morning clouds, the DC-Cycles from Springfield to Middleburg contingent made their winding way. For a total of 67 miles eight early risers tested their steeds on roads that passed through the more glamorous of the citified horse country in Northern Virginy. A couple were dusting off the old cobwebs, but all were smiling ear to ear upon arrival. We were on our way to meet, greet and have some fun. A WHOLE lot of riders showed up for this, the first DC-Cycles ride of the season. Not quite as many as one particular day in 1998. Anita has the nose-count and will undoubtedly post it. Organizing this large of a ride is difficult to say the least. We tried something new today; a medium paced group. It seemed to work out pretty well as riders experimented with their abilities within each of their chosen groups and more or less sifted to the one they wanted to be in as the day grew sunny. We did have one unfortunate incident. Dave Wakefield Sr. went wide into a left sweeping embankment. He seemed well enough though his EX500's forks were slightly bent. After a fashion, Dave agreed it'd be best to try and ride home. Hope you're OK Dave. I don't know what the exact mileage was from Springfield out and back was, but I'm guessing close to 300. And they were 300 miles of 95% quality (as judged by ro