From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 00:09:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08332; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03391; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28487 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.47] (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 00:06:56 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Top Speed... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 98 00:08:56 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > I have to say that when I was riding my ZX-11, my biggest fear was not >crashing or dying, but of being arrested and locked in a prison in West >Virginia wearing a white leather suit. Used to go to Frostburg, and went drinking in WVa a few times (they weren't so strict on age). And to put it not too nicely, I am sure they would have LOVED you in some of those prisons:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 00:25:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08600; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:25:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03937; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (known m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28673 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA13118; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:47:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:47:43 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Top Speed... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D52F66F@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Take it to the TRACK! you hellion you.. :P (P.S. - mine did an indicated 130) And you shouldn't be refering to yourself as a newbie anymore.. you've already done more miles and 10 RUBS would in a year, and most fair-weather riders do in a summer.. On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Please, no flames, I'm just a proud semi-newbie who did her top speed of > 105 this weekend! = : o > > - Jeannette > > Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 85 XT250 (street/dirt) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) 83 CB1100f RIP - 86 VF500f RIP- next? www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 00:39:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08679; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:39:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04143; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28803 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.47] (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 00:36:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Top Speed... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 98 00:38:26 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Brian McCoy" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Take it to the TRACK! you hellion you.. :P (P.S. - mine did an indicated >130) And you shouldn't be refering to yourself as a newbie anymore.. >you've already done more miles and 10 RUBS would in a year, and most >fair-weather riders do in a summer.. Last week, there was a meeting for one of the property groups my parents are a part of. Father and I walked in and placed helmets on the floor under our seats. One of the doctors chimes in "Oh, I've got a Harley". Yeah. How come I've never seen it? Course, I guess he is making enough for a $17,000 objet d'art. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 06:56:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA11914; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:56:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA15604; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com (known micros-bh.micros.com [206.241.67.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA03411 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:54:49 -0500 (EST) From: bmccoy@XXXXXX Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id GAA05093 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:54:49 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma005027; Wed, 1 Apr 98 06:54:33 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id GAA15824 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) id AA891430626; Wed, 01 Apr 98 06:55:01 -0500 Message-Id: <9804018914.AA891430626@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 98 06:35:31 -0500 To: Subject: vfr rim for hawk (for sale) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, found this floating around one of my lists... thought someone might be interested or could pass it on to the Hawk list.. Brian P.S. standard disclaimers..... ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ There are two ways to mount a VFR rim on a hawk: modify the rim, or modify the rear axle spindle. I chose the later for two reasons: I personally think it looks better, and I think it is stronger (aka safer), modifying the case- hardened steel instead of the soft alloy rim that Honda built that way for a reason anyway. Well, this mod looks way cool, especially with a matching black F2 rim up front. This whole assembly is now for sale because the class I'm racing my hawk in requires stock rims. Assembly includes: Black 5" VFR rim Modified spindle Wheel studs and lug nuts The center axle bolt is no longer used with this modification, there are no clearance problems. I'm selling it for $500, which is about what I have into it. Trades and negotiations always considered. I'm in Phoenix, price does not include shipping. Troy Tinsley gonridn@XXXXXX --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="RFC822.TXT" Received: from micros.micros.com by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) ; Tue, 31 Mar 98 12:44:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from micros-bh.micros.com (igate.micros.com [206.241.67.129]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id MAA27605 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id MAA22158 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:43:57 -0500 Received: from alutia.micapeak.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma022138; Tue, 31 Mar 98 12:43:41 -0500 Received: from alutia.micapeak.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alutia.micapeak.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA23237; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:41:30 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:41:30 -0800 Message-Id: <825c9c8.35212a35@aol.com> Errors-To: race-owner@XXXXXX Reply-To: race@XXXXXX Originator: race@XXXXXX Sender: race@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk From: Gonridn To: Motorcycle Roadracing Listserver Subject: vfr rim for hawk (for sale) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Motorcycle Roadracing Listserver Mime-Version: 1.0 --simple boundary-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 08:10:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12633; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17060; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:08:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04307 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:08:51 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565D9.004887EB ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:12:13 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: ghowell@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565D9.00484741.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:12:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Top Speed... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII One of the doctors chimes in "Oh, I've got a Harley". Do you think he would have been offended if you had answered "You have my condolences."? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 09:26:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13604; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18174; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06129 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:24:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA27568 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:24:43 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:24:43 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Leon Begeman's web page Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:27:25 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 11 TEXT For those of you who haven't seen this: http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider Made the trip into work worthwhile just to see this today. Thanks, Leon Michael (firmly put in his place for actually using a motorcycle to do his SS1K) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 09:40:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14030; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18549; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06830 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA04937; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:39:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:38:22 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570BCC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'George Howell'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Top Speed... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:39:06 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Speaking of ignorant, Tom & I were acting a bit like squids last night racing some guy (well, he was the one doing the successful portion of the racing, my bike can't keep up with a ZX6) and the guy who was attempting to keep up with Tom had a girl on the back (pillion) in short sleeves and shorts! The look of terror in her eyes made me feel a bit bad for her. What's some guy doing racing like that with an exposed pillion? hmmm - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 11:12 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Top Speed... > > > > Awfully ignorant of him driving that fast with his kid in the car. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > -George Howell AMA#553567 > ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 > georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:02:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14478; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19059; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07666 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA13929; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:00:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA20448; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:00:42 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA20435; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:00:32 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5D3B.D2B40A30@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:00:15 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'George Howell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Top Speed... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:55:26 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 37 TEXT I think it has something to do with excess testosterone. Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 6:39 AM >To: 'George Howell'; DC Cycles >Subject: RE: Top Speed... > >Speaking of ignorant, Tom & I were acting a bit like squids last night >racing some guy (well, he was the one doing the successful portion of >the racing, my bike can't keep up with a ZX6) and the guy who was >attempting to keep up with Tom had a girl on the back (pillion) in short >sleeves and shorts! The look of terror in her eyes made me feel a bit >bad for her. What's some guy doing racing like that with an exposed >pillion? hmmm > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 11:12 PM >> To: O'Brien, Jeannette; DC Cycles >> Subject: Re: Top Speed... >> >> >> >> Awfully ignorant of him driving that fast with his kid in the car. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> -George Howell AMA#553567 >> ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 >> georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:08:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14590; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19259; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07861 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.33] (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:05:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: deal's gap closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 98 10:07:37 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" picked this up on the wings list. Somebody better check this out. BTW, it was sent 4/1/1998, so who knows if it's real. -George >With all the talk about closing some National Parks to motorists I >thought this would be of interest to the list especially if you were >thinking of visiting Tennessee and South Carolina this summer to >'Drive the Dragon' aka Deal's Gap. > >From the North Carolina Robbinsville Tribune > >END OF AN ERA > >Tennessee Govenor Don Sundquist (D) and North Carolina >Governor James B. Hunt Jr.(D) made a joint announcement >this date advising the State highway Route 129 known as Deal's >Gap will be closed to all motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. > >Reading from a report by Tennesse's Transportation Commissioner >J. Bruce Saltsman Sr. and North Carolina's Department of Transport >secretary Garland B. Garrett Jr. indicating there has been too many >motorcycle accidents with resulting serious injury and death on an >eleven mile strip of Highway 129 known as Deal's Gap, the two state >legislators have agreed to closing that section of roadway to all >motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. > >Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as >"The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past >few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a >1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 >deaths in the past two years. > >The American Motorcycle Association (AMA) an association that >lobbies the government on laws pertaining to motorcyclists was >contacted and stated that they were aware that the two State >governments were thinking of taking some action to curb the loss >of life along this stretch of highway but the AMA had not been >consulted on any remedies they may wish to suggest. A spokesperson >for the AMA stated not all motorcycle drivers are running this >roadway dangerously and pointed out the statistics indicate there had >not been one large touring type motorcycle involved in a serious >accident in the past ten years. AMA stated it is considering >petitioning >the Federal Government to have the ban lifted as being >unconstitutional. > >North Carolina's Graham County Sheriff Noel T. Baker, stationed at >Robbinsville NC who has received some notoriety for ticketing >motorcyclists in the area in an attempt to slow them down stated; >"It is about time someone in the government took some action to >reduce the carnage by motorcyclists on this highway". BAKER >had been the target of a boycott by the BMW Association of America >who's members are particularly prone to run this road to see who can >do the eleven miles in the shortest period of time. BAKER, who's >unmarked police cruiser ran off the road on one of the particularly >sharp curves while pursuing a motorcyclist stated "I'm sick and tired >of having to replace police cars running off this road in pursuit of >motorcycles." > >Deal's Gap at the south end starts at a campground in North Carolina >named "The Crossroads of Time" (COT) The roadway soon enters >the state of Tennessee and continues north for approximately 11 miles >just skirting the southern boundry of the Great Smoky Mountain >National >Park. Peter Johansen owner of the COT campsite where a private club >known as the Dragons Den is located stated, "Last summer Sheriff >BAKER cancelled the beer licence of the BMWA's annual picnic on the >hottest day of the year. I sure had some hot and unhappy >motorcyclists >on my campground. Luckily I had just put in a big stock of my own >beer and I gave it to the boys, at no charge of course". > >In answer to opposing this closure by ABATE, volunteer lobbyist, >Rodney Roberts, on the grounds that it is discrimination, Governor >Sundquist stated "If you think the State Governments can not close >a roadway to a specified class of vehicles you only have to look at >Tanglewood County Park where motorcycles have been banned >for the past 35 years. If County Governments can restrict some roads >to a certain classes of vehicles while banning other classes certainly >the State Governments are also justified in doing so". Another >example >is the closing by the Federal Government of Yosemite National Park >along with some other National Parks to all motor vehicles in the year >2000. > >Honda of America's President Koichi Amemiya advised Gold Wing >motorcyclists are the safest motorcyclists on the roads due mostly >to the superior engineering that goes into their production coupled >with the fact that most Gold Wing drivers are over the age of 40. >He feels if the ban is to remain there should be some allowance given >to drivers of Gold Wing motorcycles. Amemiya stated Soichiro Honda, >founder of the Honda Motor Corporation who was a racer at one time, >was known for his research and development of the safest touring >machines in the world. > >Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists (CVCOM) president has stated >they will ignore the ban en masse and ride the Dragon on Sunday, >May 5 with intentions of starting a class action suite claiming the >American right to 'freedom to travel where ever they please'. The >Kawasaki Concours Group have stated they will be joining in with >the CVCOM to help support their action. BMW Owners of Georgia, >a motorcycle club of over 200 members have taken a collection to >help pay for any lawyers fees. > >Tennessee Tourist Development Commissioner John A Wade was >quoted as saying "It will be hard on the tourist trade in the area >which >looks forward to hosting so many motorcyclists that visit here but we >have contingincy plans to re-route any motorcyclists to the Great >Smokey Mountain roadways where there are plenty of other good >roads for motorcyclists to enjoy". > >John Bruce Saltsman Sr. Tennessee's Commissioner of transportation >said there were plans on the book to re-construct that portion of >Deal's >Gap to a controlled access multi-laned highway but that construction >was not slated until 2001. Wayne Shakelford, North Carolina's >Transportation commissioner stated " We have been considering >straightening out a few of the more dangerous curves along this >stretch >of highway but because of the mountainous topography the costs are >prohibitive at this time". > >Governor Sundquist who himself is a motorcyclist stated "Unfortunately >we are forced to ban all motorcycles and not just the crotch rockets >and rice burners that are causing all the trouble". > >End of newspaper article. > >Apparently there will be an article in the 'American Motorcyclist' >Magazine in May's issue. Look for more details in the magazine >article. > >This issue boggles the mind (at least mine). It is even more >outrageous than states like Florida permitting communities to pass >bans on cruising sailboats anchoring in their harbors. Some >communities (Puget Sound islands) have tried to ban jet-skiis from >their harbors but have lost in court. > >Now please don't shoot the messenger. For further information >there is more about this road closure on >http://www.dallas.net/~jsides/txwingz/dealsgap.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:18:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14792; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19478; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (known sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08200 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA28594 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:17:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca007.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.78]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA02236 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:17:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA007 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:17:11 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B46@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: FW: Deal's Gap Closure (long) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:16:57 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On my! Todd, we may want to factor this into our trip plans .... --chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > > > > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:07:36 -0600 > > From: "Norm & Kay Hustad" > > Subject: [Wings] Deal's Gap Closure > > > > With all the talk about closing some National Parks to motorists I > > thought this would be of interest to the list especially if you were > > thinking of visiting Tennessee and South Carolina this summer to > > 'Drive the Dragon' aka Deal's Gap. > > > > From the North Carolina Robbinsville Tribune > > > > END OF AN ERA > > > > Tennessee Govenor Don Sundquist (D) and North Carolina > > Governor James B. Hunt Jr.(D) made a joint announcement > > this date advising the State highway Route 129 known as Deal's > > Gap will be closed to all motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. > > > > Reading from a report by Tennesse's Transportation Commissioner > > J. Bruce Saltsman Sr. and North Carolina's Department of Transport > > secretary Garland B. Garrett Jr. indicating there has been too many > > motorcycle accidents with resulting serious injury and death on an > > eleven mile strip of Highway 129 known as Deal's Gap, the two state > > legislators have agreed to closing that section of roadway to all > > motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. > > > > Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as > > "The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past > > few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a > > 1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 > > deaths in the past two years. > > > > The American Motorcycle Association (AMA) an association that > > lobbies the government on laws pertaining to motorcyclists was > > contacted and stated that they were aware that the two State > > governments were thinking of taking some action to curb the loss > > of life along this stretch of highway but the AMA had not been > > consulted on any remedies they may wish to suggest. A spokesperson > > for the AMA stated not all motorcycle drivers are running this > > roadway dangerously and pointed out the statistics indicate there > had > > not been one large touring type motorcycle involved in a serious > > accident in the past ten years. AMA stated it is considering > > petitioning > > the Federal Government to have the ban lifted as being > > unconstitutional. > > > > North Carolina's Graham County Sheriff Noel T. Baker, stationed at > > Robbinsville NC who has received some notoriety for ticketing > > motorcyclists in the area in an attempt to slow them down stated; > > "It is about time someone in the government took some action to > > reduce the carnage by motorcyclists on this highway". BAKER > > had been the target of a boycott by the BMW Association of America > > who's members are particularly prone to run this road to see who can > > do the eleven miles in the shortest period of time. BAKER, who's > > unmarked police cruiser ran off the road on one of the particularly > > sharp curves while pursuing a motorcyclist stated "I'm sick and > tired > > of having to replace police cars running off this road in pursuit of > > motorcycles." > > > > Deal's Gap at the south end starts at a campground in North Carolina > > named "The Crossroads of Time" (COT) The roadway soon enters > > the state of Tennessee and continues north for approximately 11 > miles > > just skirting the southern boundry of the Great Smoky Mountain > > National > > Park. Peter Johansen owner of the COT campsite where a private club > > known as the Dragons Den is located stated, "Last summer Sheriff > > BAKER cancelled the beer licence of the BMWA's annual picnic on the > > hottest day of the year. I sure had some hot and unhappy > > motorcyclists > > on my campground. Luckily I had just put in a big stock of my own > > beer and I gave it to the boys, at no charge of course". > > > > In answer to opposing this closure by ABATE, volunteer lobbyist, > > Rodney Roberts, on the grounds that it is discrimination, Governor > > Sundquist stated "If you think the State Governments can not close > > a roadway to a specified class of vehicles you only have to look at > > Tanglewood County Park where motorcycles have been banned > > for the past 35 years. If County Governments can restrict some roads > > to a certain classes of vehicles while banning other classes > certainly > > the State Governments are also justified in doing so". Another > > example > > is the closing by the Federal Government of Yosemite National Park > > along with some other National Parks to all motor vehicles in the > year > > 2000. > > > > Honda of America's President Koichi Amemiya advised Gold Wing > > motorcyclists are the safest motorcyclists on the roads due mostly > > to the superior engineering that goes into their production coupled > > with the fact that most Gold Wing drivers are over the age of 40. > > He feels if the ban is to remain there should be some allowance > given > > to drivers of Gold Wing motorcycles. Amemiya stated Soichiro Honda, > > founder of the Honda Motor Corporation who was a racer at one time, > > was known for his research and development of the safest touring > > machines in the world. > > > > Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists (CVCOM) president has stated > > they will ignore the ban en masse and ride the Dragon on Sunday, > > May 5 with intentions of starting a class action suite claiming the > > American right to 'freedom to travel where ever they please'. The > > Kawasaki Concours Group have stated they will be joining in with > > the CVCOM to help support their action. BMW Owners of Georgia, > > a motorcycle club of over 200 members have taken a collection to > > help pay for any lawyers fees. > > > > Tennessee Tourist Development Commissioner John A Wade was > > quoted as saying "It will be hard on the tourist trade in the area > > which > > looks forward to hosting so many motorcyclists that visit here but > we > > have contingincy plans to re-route any motorcyclists to the Great > > Smokey Mountain roadways where there are plenty of other good > > roads for motorcyclists to enjoy". > > > > John Bruce Saltsman Sr. Tennessee's Commissioner of transportation > > said there were plans on the book to re-construct that portion of > > Deal's > > Gap to a controlled access multi-laned highway but that construction > > was not slated until 2001. Wayne Shakelford, North Carolina's > > Transportation commissioner stated " We have been considering > > straightening out a few of the more dangerous curves along this > > stretch > > of highway but because of the mountainous topography the costs are > > prohibitive at this time". > > > > Governor Sundquist who himself is a motorcyclist stated > "Unfortunately > > we are forced to ban all motorcycles and not just the crotch rockets > > and rice burners that are causing all the trouble". > > > > End of newspaper article. > > > > Apparently there will be an article in the 'American Motorcyclist' > > Magazine in May's issue. Look for more details in the magazine > > article. > > > > This issue boggles the mind (at least mine). It is even more > > outrageous than states like Florida permitting communities to pass > > bans on cruising sailboats anchoring in their harbors. Some > > communities (Puget Sound islands) have tried to ban jet-skiis from > > their harbors but have lost in court. > > > > Now please don't shoot the messenger. For further information > > there is more about this road closure on > > http://www.dallas.net/~jsides/dealsgap.html > > > > > > Norm Hustad > > AMA, HRCA, IBA > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:39:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15370; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19933; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09118 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:38:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (sward@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15155 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sward@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA24690 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:38:25 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: shell.clark.net: sward owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:38:24 -0500 (EST) From: David Sward To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: deal's gap closure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, George Howell wrote: snip snip ... > >sharp curves while pursuing a motorcyclist stated "I'm sick and tired > >of having to replace police cars running off this road in pursuit of > >motorcycles." [...] > >Governor Sundquist who himself is a motorcyclist stated "Unfortunately > >we are forced to ban all motorcycles and not just the crotch rockets > >and rice burners that are causing all the trouble". ROFL! -- David Sward sward@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:43:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15444; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20027; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:42:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09230 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:42:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-117.s117.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.117]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24230; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:42:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <352260BD.D88B9E9A@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:43:57 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: deal's gap closure References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It must be an April Fools joke!!! Some of the BMW's are quick, but if a Beemer can pull 12 minutes, any properly set up CBR (6 or 9), GSXR, or several others, with the right rider should be able to do every bit as much if not better. (just kidding guys.. don't beat up on me) Never been to the stretch, but seen a few pics... average speed of 60 is the best that's been pulled??? How is this stretch compared to 211 and 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, what??) Last time I ran 211 I was poking along waiting for some other fellas, but I checked the speedo at 65 in several curves.. much higher in the brief straights... If this is a true report, it really sucks... No reason that they can't ban motorcycles though.. they do similar things for other classes of vehicles. And since it's all m/c not just sport bikes, they will have a much stronger position in court...I'm betting that if those two groups get a lawsuit going, they'll manage to get a temporary injunction on the ban.. that'll give me a chance to go see it :) Collin (looking for his nomex suit to dodge george, harry, and all the other beemer riders :)) George Howell wrote: > >Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as > >"The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past > >few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a > >1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 > >deaths in the past two years. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:46:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15472; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20087; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:45:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net (known loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09339 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20405; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:45:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA26758; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:45:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804011545.KAA26758@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: deal's gap closure To: ghowell@XXXXXX (George Howell ) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:45:32 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: from "George Howell " at Apr 1, 98 10:07:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Well, the web page listed at the end bombed, and I'm a member of both VCOM and the Kawasaki Concours group and haven't heard anything about this yet. If the story continues after April Fools Day, then I'd be concerned. Louis > picked this up on the wings list. Somebody better check this out. BTW, it > was sent 4/1/1998, so who knows if it's real. [Deals Gap story deleted for those on Digest] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | Entrant #19, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:51:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15536; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:51:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20239; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09482 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVCOC0BFDC8ZI1Y2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:43:32 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:34:32 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:34:32 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:34:02 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: Re: deal's gap closure In-reply-to: To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:34:02 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1132IHW29U1X X400-MTS-identifier: [;23430110408991/2488408@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 Does this mean they've given up the idea of providing air bag fitted suits at the entrance to The Dragon? Of the options that were put forward to improve the safety at Deal's Gap (simply outlawing BMWs - seemingly the main problem with their testosterone driven pilots, air bag fitted suits, enforcing the Deal's Gap outrigger law, outlawing all motorcycles, etc) I thought the air bag suit one was the neatest. Hundreds of Michelin Men (and women) attacking Deal's Gap with glee with be an interesting sight. Well, you win some you lose some. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:58:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15660; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:58:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20510; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09808 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5D5C.BCD45B90@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:55:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: deal's gap closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:55:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 19 TEXT Decided to e-mail the TN governor and the guy from Texas Wingz since the URL doesn't exist on his web page - will keep you up to date if I hear anything - probably just April Fools Tracy ---------- ^From: George Howell[SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 10:07 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: deal's gap closure picked this up on the wings list. Somebody better check this out. BTW, it was sent 4/1/1998, so who knows if it's real. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:08:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15833; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21277; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10147 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804011607.LAA10147@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:21 -0500 From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC Cycles , George Howell Subject: RE: deal's gap closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:57:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" But note, if you take the txwingz part out of the URL at the bottom of George's message, you get an interesting page... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: deal's gap closure Author: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] at DISAHUB Date: 4/1/98 10:07 AM picked this up on the wings list. Somebody better check this out. BTW, it was sent 4/1/1998, so who knows if it's real. -George >With all the talk about closing some National Parks to motorists I >thought this would be of interest to the list especially if you were >thinking of visiting Tennessee and South Carolina this summer to >'Drive the Dragon' aka Deal's Gap. > >From the North Carolina Robbinsville Tribune > >END OF AN ERA > >Tennessee Govenor Don Sundquist (D) and North Carolina >Governor James B. Hunt Jr.(D) made a joint announcement >this date advising the State highway Route 129 known as Deal's >Gap will be closed to all motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. > >Reading from a report by Tennesse's Transportation Commissioner >J. Bruce Saltsman Sr. and North Carolina's Department of Transport >secretary Garland B. Garrett Jr. indicating there has been too many >motorcycle accidents with resulting serious injury and death on an >eleven mile strip of Highway 129 known as Deal's Gap, the two state >legislators have agreed to closing that section of roadway to all >motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. > >Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as >"The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past >few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a >1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 >deaths in the past two years. > >The American Motorcycle Association (AMA) an association that >lobbies the government on laws pertaining to motorcyclists was >contacted and stated that they were aware that the two State >governments were thinking of taking some action to curb the loss >of life along this stretch of highway but the AMA had not been >consulted on any remedies they may wish to suggest. A spokesperson >for the AMA stated not all motorcycle drivers are running this >roadway dangerously and pointed out the statistics indicate there had >not been one large touring type motorcycle involved in a serious >accident in the past ten years. AMA stated it is considering >petitioning >the Federal Government to have the ban lifted as being >unconstitutional. > >North Carolina's Graham County Sheriff Noel T. Baker, stationed at >Robbinsville NC who has received some notoriety for ticketing >motorcyclists in the area in an attempt to slow them down stated; >"It is about time someone in the government took some action to >reduce the carnage by motorcyclists on this highway". BAKER >had been the target of a boycott by the BMW Association of America >who's members are particularly prone to run this road to see who can >do the eleven miles in the shortest period of time. BAKER, who's >unmarked police cruiser ran off the road on one of the particularly >sharp curves while pursuing a motorcyclist stated "I'm sick and tired >of having to replace police cars running off this road in pursuit of >motorcycles." > >Deal's Gap at the south end starts at a campground in North Carolina >named "The Crossroads of Time" (COT) The roadway soon enters >the state of Tennessee and continues north for approximately 11 miles >just skirting the southern boundry of the Great Smoky Mountain >National >Park. Peter Johansen owner of the COT campsite where a private club >known as the Dragons Den is located stated, "Last summer Sheriff >BAKER cancelled the beer licence of the BMWA's annual picnic on the >hottest day of the year. I sure had some hot and unhappy >motorcyclists >on my campground. Luckily I had just put in a big stock of my own >beer and I gave it to the boys, at no charge of course". > >In answer to opposing this closure by ABATE, volunteer lobbyist, >Rodney Roberts, on the grounds that it is discrimination, Governor >Sundquist stated "If you think the State Governments can not close >a roadway to a specified class of vehicles you only have to look at >Tanglewood County Park where motorcycles have been banned >for the past 35 years. If County Governments can restrict some roads >to a certain classes of vehicles while banning other classes certainly >the State Governments are also justified in doing so". Another >example >is the closing by the Federal Government of Yosemite National Park >along with some other National Parks to all motor vehicles in the year >2000. > >Honda of America's President Koichi Amemiya advised Gold Wing >motorcyclists are the safest motorcyclists on the roads due mostly >to the superior engineering that goes into their production coupled >with the fact that most Gold Wing drivers are over the age of 40. >He feels if the ban is to remain there should be some allowance given >to drivers of Gold Wing motorcycles. Amemiya stated Soichiro Honda, >founder of the Honda Motor Corporation who was a racer at one time, >was known for his research and development of the safest touring >machines in the world. > >Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists (CVCOM) president has stated >they will ignore the ban en masse and ride the Dragon on Sunday, >May 5 with intentions of starting a class action suite claiming the >American right to 'freedom to travel where ever they please'. The >Kawasaki Concours Group have stated they will be joining in with >the CVCOM to help support their action. BMW Owners of Georgia, >a motorcycle club of over 200 members have taken a collection to >help pay for any lawyers fees. > >Tennessee Tourist Development Commissioner John A Wade was >quoted as saying "It will be hard on the tourist trade in the area >which >looks forward to hosting so many motorcyclists that visit here but we >have contingincy plans to re-route any motorcyclists to the Great >Smokey Mountain roadways where there are plenty of other good >roads for motorcyclists to enjoy". > >John Bruce Saltsman Sr. Tennessee's Commissioner of transportation >said there were plans on the book to re-construct that portion of >Deal's >Gap to a controlled access multi-laned highway but that construction >was not slated until 2001. Wayne Shakelford, North Carolina's >Transportation commissioner stated " We have been considering >straightening out a few of the more dangerous curves along this >stretch >of highway but because of the mountainous topography the costs are >prohibitive at this time". > >Governor Sundquist who himself is a motorcyclist stated "Unfortunately >we are forced to ban all motorcycles and not just the crotch rockets >and rice burners that are causing all the trouble". > >End of newspaper article. > >Apparently there will be an article in the 'American Motorcyclist' >Magazine in May's issue. Look for more details in the magazine >article. > >This issue boggles the mind (at least mine). It is even more >outrageous than states like Florida permitting communities to pass >bans on cruising sailboats anchoring in their harbors. Some >communities (Puget Sound islands) have tried to ban jet-skiis from >their harbors but have lost in court. > >Now please don't shoot the messenger. For further information >there is more about this road closure on >http://www.dallas.net/~jsides/txwingz/dealsgap.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:08:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15836; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21276; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10154 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA14309; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:06:16 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570BD6@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Top Speed... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:12 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Well, I just may have to take you up on that...in a couple years!! ; ) I've always had dreams of being Speed Racer, but on a bike! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 11:48 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Top Speed... > > Take it to the TRACK! you hellion you.. :P (P.S. - mine did an > indicated > 130) And you shouldn't be refering to yourself as a newbie anymore.. > you've already done more miles and 10 RUBS would in a year, and most > fair-weather riders do in a summer.. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:11:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15861; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21435; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:10:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10213 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVCPJR0T9S8ZJO9A@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:06:45 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:02:49 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:02:49 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:02:17 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: Re: deal's gap closure To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:02:18 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1136IHW2DI13 X400-MTS-identifier: [;94201110408991/2488637@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Never been to the stretch, but seen a few pics... average speed of 60 >is the best that's been pulled??? How is this stretch compared to 211 >and 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, >what??) Last time I ran 211 I was poking along waiting for some other >fellas, but I checked the speedo at 65 in several curves.. much higher >in the brief straights... I've never been to Deals Gap either but I've been to plenty of similar spots. Deals Gap sounds like an extended version of the short stretch of tight twisties on US250 (which parallels US33, just to the south). 33 would probably be considered medium sweepers and 211 has pretty wide open sweepers comparatively. Sweepers don't go down in my book as being tight (also, sweepers happen to be the type of corner I'm the worst at, probably because of the sheer speeds you're able to attain and the lack of on street practice I've given them because of this). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:11:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15875; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21487; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10237 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:10:32 -0500 (EST) X-ROUTED: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:12:18 -0500 Received: from WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL [160.151.107.198] by dclink.com with smtp id ALALDKEN ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:12:00 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: deal's gap closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:15:14 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd5d89$5a540380$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Wow, using descriptions like crotch rockets and especially "rice burner" has got to be a nightmare for the politically correct! That's too funny! Jay -----Original Message----- >From: sward@XXXXXX To: Jaynik Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 11:04 AM Subject: Re: deal's gap closure > >On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, George Howell wrote: > >snip snip ... > >> >sharp curves while pursuing a motorcyclist stated "I'm sick and tired >> >of having to replace police cars running off this road in pursuit of >> >motorcycles." >[...] >> >Governor Sundquist who himself is a motorcyclist stated "Unfortunately >> >we are forced to ban all motorcycles and not just the crotch rockets >> >and rice burners that are causing all the trouble". > >ROFL! > >-- >David Sward sward@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:12:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15894; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:12:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21580; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10270 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:11:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804011611.LAA10270@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:11:08 -0500 From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'George Howell'" , DC Cycles , "O'Brien, Jeannette " Subject: RE: Top Speed... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:05:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain What's that poem about a guy with a girlfriend named Ruth? Something about "hit a bump at 95 and rode on ruthlessly"? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Top Speed... Author: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] at DISAHUB Date: 4/1/98 9:39 AM Speaking of ignorant, Tom & I were acting a bit like squids last night racing some guy (well, he was the one doing the successful portion of the racing, my bike can't keep up with a ZX6) and the guy who was attempting to keep up with Tom had a girl on the back (pillion) in short sleeves and shorts! The look of terror in her eyes made me feel a bit bad for her. What's some guy doing racing like that with an exposed pillion? hmmm - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 11:12 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Top Speed... > > > > Awfully ignorant of him driving that fast with his kid in the car. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > -George Howell AMA#553567 > ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 > georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:16:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15930; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21745; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10339 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:14:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id LAA06377; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:14:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35226854.F6DE4FD0@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:16:20 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: deal's gap closure References: <352260BD.D88B9E9A@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have ridden the gap 10 times and and maybe shifted into 3rd once per run. It takes me about 17 min to do the run. It is hard to do it with out getting a car in front of you. Last time I was down there (September) the record was held by a local boy on a newish TZ250 and they blocked off the road for him. Jay ZX9R Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > It must be an April Fools joke!!! Some of the BMW's are quick, but if a > Beemer can pull 12 minutes, any properly set up CBR (6 or 9), GSXR, or > several others, with the right rider should be able to do every bit as > much if not better. > (just kidding guys.. don't beat up on me) > Never been to the stretch, but seen a few pics... average speed of 60 is > the best that's been pulled??? How is this stretch compared to 211 and > 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, what??) > Last time I ran 211 I was poking along waiting for some other fellas, > but I checked the speedo at 65 in several curves.. much higher in the > brief straights... > > If this is a true report, it really sucks... No reason that they can't > ban motorcycles though.. they do similar things for other classes of > vehicles. And since it's all m/c not just sport bikes, they will have > a much stronger position in court...I'm betting that if those two groups > get a lawsuit going, they'll manage to get a temporary injunction on the > ban.. that'll give me a chance to go see it :) > > Collin > (looking for his nomex suit to dodge george, harry, and all the other > beemer riders :)) > > George Howell wrote: > > > >Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as > > >"The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past > > >few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a > > >1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 > > >deaths in the past two years. > > -- > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:18:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15942; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21977; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10419 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:17:11 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565D9.0059C6C6 ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:20:35 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: gixer@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565D9.00589048.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:20:31 -0400 Subject: Re: deal's gap closure Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII How is this stretch compared to 211 and 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, what??) Everything is much tighter, narrower and shorter. The corners are much tighter. The street is much narrower. And the straights are much shorter. I doubt most people could get much above 65 on the straights because the next corner is coming up so fast. Some of the corners are so off camber you would swear you were riding on the sidewalls. It would be easy to come down with a case of motion sickness riding this road. Fortunately I don't get motions sickness, so all it gave me was a terminal case of smiles. John Weinstein hosted a visitor from England (Karl Milliard) for a motorcycle vacation last fall. We took him down there and his description of the road was "best road on the planet". I sure hope this is all just an April fools joke. It would be a real shame to lose access to this marvelous piece of roadway. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:22:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15998; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:22:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22224; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:21:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (known sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10501 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA03517 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:21:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca007.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.78]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA06679 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:21:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA007 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:21:47 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B47@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'motolist@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Closure (long) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:21:33 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain This is an April Fool's day Joke! The web page at the bottom does work ... it says that you have been had. --chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: A01LRL3@XXXXXX[SMTP:A01LRL3@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 9:52 AM > To: Cybertwisties at your fingertips > Subject: Deal's Gap Closure (long) > > > > > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:07:36 -0600 > > From: "Norm & Kay Hustad" > > Subject: [Wings] Deal's Gap Closure > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:33:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16189; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:33:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22669; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:32:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10811 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2A0V5GHZ>; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:30:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Jinn Sinn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: So, what exactly is the "merge lane"? Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:30:59 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Actually, a guy on the MR2 list just wrote in that someone on the Autobahn was going slow in the left lane. He flashed to pass and the in front of him slammed on the brakes. We told him it sounded like someone in the states was driving that vehicle. I guess there are aholes everywhere. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > have two choices, either speed up so the car doesn't "catch" you, or move back > into the right lane (where, by the way, others drivers will make room for you > to get in) and believe it or not, EVERYONE follows these rules! there are very > few accidents (although because of the speeds involved the accidents are often > fatal) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:38:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16276; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22845; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:37:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known welchlink.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11012 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-218-244.pitb.grid.net [207.205.218.244]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA14765 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:37:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980401113858.006a1a64@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:38:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Deal's Gap Closure - NOT! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FYI, from the BMW list: If you visit the web site in the msg you've been reading, claiming that Deal's Gap has been closed to motorcycles, you'll see the following: Prankly Speaking .... YOU'VE BEEN HAD! APRIL FOOL The PhanTom has struck again. With the help of Norm Hustad and Jack Sides we hope you have enjoyed this April Fool prank in an effort to bring a smile to your face on this April the First. Now don't get mad, get even. Post a message to the WOTI list expressing indignation and disgust at Government intervention into our private lives. Add a little spice to the prank and see how far it goes. Sometime after 12 o'clock noon Pacific time we will be posting a message to the WOTI list advising that it was all just an April Fool's prank. Don't go spoiling it for others and letting the WOTI list know it is just a prank. I couldn't post the prank as you would have recognized it right away by my signature. Do I get the 1998 WOTI BAFPA (Best April Fool's Prank Award) ? If so it is a shared award this year with Norm and Jack. Regards, PhanTom in Beautiful British Columbia Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:49:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16583; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23709; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11564 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:48:40 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA03819 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:48:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199804011648.AA03819@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:48:59 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:48:59 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:48:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:47:14 -0500 Subject: Re: deal's gap closure To: gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <352260BD.D88B9E9A@geocities.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME I seriously doubt this is real...no govt weenie is going to call bikes "crotch rockets" or "rice burners".. -aki > It must be an April Fools joke!!! Some of the BMW's are quick, but if a > Beemer can pull 12 minutes, any properly set up CBR (6 or 9), GSXR, or > several others, with the right rider should be able to do every bit as > much if not better. > (just kidding guys.. don't beat up on me) > Never been to the stretch, but seen a few pics... average speed of 60 is > the best that's been pulled??? How is this stretch compared to 211 and > 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, what??) > Last time I ran 211 I was poking along waiting for some other fellas, > but I checked the speedo at 65 in several curves.. much higher in the > brief straights... > > If this is a true report, it really sucks... No reason that they can't > ban motorcycles though.. they do similar things for other classes of > vehicles. And since it's all m/c not just sport bikes, they will have > a much stronger position in court...I'm betting that if those two groups > get a lawsuit going, they'll manage to get a temporary injunction on the > ban.. that'll give me a chance to go see it :) > > Collin > (looking for his nomex suit to dodge george, harry, and all the other > beemer riders :)) > > George Howell wrote: > > > >Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as > > >"The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past > > >few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a > > >1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 > > >deaths in the past two years. > > -- > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:55:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16706; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:55:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24099; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:54:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11728 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:53:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA15250; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA25772; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980401165319.BZMM18677@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:53:19 -0600 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:52 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: deal's gap closure X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980401165319.BZMM18677@[166.41.242.141]> The closure is a hoax. As for the stretch of road that is Deal's Gap, Kirk comes close to describing it. I've run it about 4 times and found it very exhausting. Ok, I'm pushing a monster through the corners, but really it is very challenging. There is never more than 75 feet of straight anywhere allong the 11mile stretch. Constant, narrow cornering with plenty of mogular bumpity bump activity thrown in just to make your ass cheeks suck up some more underwear =:0 A Lot of fun Collin and all. Gotta get down there. Todd >Never been to the stretch, but seen a few pics... average speed of 60 >is the best that's been pulled??? How is this stretch compared to 211 >and 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, >what??) Last time I ran 211 I was poking along waiting for some other >fellas, but I checked the speedo at 65 in several curves.. much higher >in the brief straights... I've never been to Deals Gap either but I've been to plenty of similar spots. Deals Gap sounds like an extended version of the short stretch of tight twisties on US250 (which parallels US33, just to the south). 33 would probably be considered medium sweepers and 211 has pretty wide open sweepers comparatively. Sweepers don't go down in my book as being tight (also, sweepers happen to be the type of corner I'm the worst at, probably because of the sheer speeds you're able to attain and the lack of on street practice I've given them because of this). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:58:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16736; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24278; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known [205.215.54.51] [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11917 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA27131 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:58:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3522718A.DAA94AD7@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:55:38 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: deal's gap closure References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The URL was wrong. Here it is http://www.dallas.net/~jsides/dealsgap.html Leon. tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Decided to e-mail the TN governor and the guy from Texas Wingz since the > URL doesn't exist on his web page - > ---------- > From: George Howell[SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 10:07 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: deal's gap closure > > picked this up on the wings list. Somebody better check this out. BTW, it > was sent 4/1/1998, so who knows if it's real. > > -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:59:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16833; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:59:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24334; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12029 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA27195; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:00:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3522720B.CA680635@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:57:47 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan, Michael" CC: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Re: Leon Begeman's web page References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Michael, 1000 miles is a long distance to go in 24 hours on any number of wheels. With some planning and practice (and luck and money), things that appear to be impossible are not necessarily so. Leon. Jordan, Michael wrote: > > For those of you who haven't seen this: > > http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider > > Made the trip into work worthwhile just to see this today. > > Thanks, Leon > > Michael (firmly put in his place for actually using a motorcycle to do > his SS1K) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 12:59:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18418; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25834; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (known sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15126 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA09629 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca007.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.78]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA12284 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA007 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:57:50 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B4A@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: This could be fun ... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:57:34 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Anybody have any experience with this product? It is supposed to measure 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, etc. Check out ---> http://www.gtechpro.com/ Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 13:13:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18740; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26486; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.40]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15795 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1RWLa14967 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:11:14 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: <44f7a2f2.35228344@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:11:14 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re:Mounting Party Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Hey, just wondering if this is still going on with the storms and all that are on the way. If so, can someone send me directions to leon's again. I would just like to meet some people from the list. Sean Ride Free CBR600F2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 13:34:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19317; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26860; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16658 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A7F22D40262; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 13:31:14 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980401133045.00fa2960@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 13:30:45 -0500 To: "'DC-Cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Leon Begeman's web page In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I want to see the Iron Butt tag installed on the moped! Chris Norloff ******************************************************** At 06:27 AM 4/1/98 -0800, Jordan, Michael wrote: >For those of you who haven't seen this: > >http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider > >Made the trip into work worthwhile just to see this today. > >Thanks, Leon > >Michael (firmly put in his place for actually using a motorcycle to do >his SS1K) J. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 13:53:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19798; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27192; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:52:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17528 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD5D74.9DB5AA80@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:46:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'jay goddard'" , "'Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: deal's gap closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:46:45 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Last I heard it was the TZ that was holding the record. My .02 -Tom >-----Original Message----- >From: jay goddard [SMTP:goddardj@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 11:16 AM >To: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) >Cc: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: deal's gap closure > >I have ridden the gap 10 times and and maybe shifted into 3rd once per run. >It takes me about 17 min to do the run. It is hard to do it with out >getting a car in front of you. Last time I was down there (September) the >record was held by a local boy on a newish TZ250 and they blocked off the >road for him. > >Jay >ZX9R > >Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > >> It must be an April Fools joke!!! Some of the BMW's are quick, but if a >> Beemer can pull 12 minutes, any properly set up CBR (6 or 9), GSXR, or >> several others, with the right rider should be able to do every bit as >> much if not better. >> (just kidding guys.. don't beat up on me) >> Never been to the stretch, but seen a few pics... average speed of 60 is >> the best that's been pulled??? How is this stretch compared to 211 and >> 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, what??) >> Last time I ran 211 I was poking along waiting for some other fellas, >> but I checked the speedo at 65 in several curves.. much higher in the >> brief straights... >> >> If this is a true report, it really sucks... No reason that they can't >> ban motorcycles though.. they do similar things for other classes of >> vehicles. And since it's all m/c not just sport bikes, they will have >> a much stronger position in court...I'm betting that if those two groups >> get a lawsuit going, they'll manage to get a temporary injunction on the >> ban.. that'll give me a chance to go see it :) >> >> Collin >> (looking for his nomex suit to dodge george, harry, and all the other >> beemer riders :)) >> >> George Howell wrote: >> >> > >Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as >> > >"The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past >> > >few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a >> > >1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 >> > >deaths in the past two years. >> >> -- >> _________________________________________ >> Collin and Penny Fagan >> LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard >> (202) 366-0067 (work) >> (703) 356-4279 (home) >> ICQ UIN: 435732 >> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >> (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 14:04:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19956; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27567; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:02:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17837 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA23445 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:55:07 -0800 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:01:37 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:02:47 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: hgg@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Top Speed... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline "Yer awful purty, boy . . ." >>> "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." - 3/31/98 11:40 PM >>> At 11:11 PM 3/31/98 -0500, George Howell wrote: >What did the officer say when he verified your speed? I have to say that when I was riding my ZX-11, my biggest fear was not crashing or dying, but of being arrested and locked in a prison in West Virginia wearing a white leather suit. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 14:30:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20448; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:30:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28149; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:28:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from NORCOM2.NORCOM.NET (known norcom2.norcom.net [207.238.14.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18642 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:28:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by norcom2.norcom.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:32:35 -0500 Message-ID: <816B10A8C89FD011AE0700A0C92C8CFF112B2E@norcom2.norcom.net> From: Oswald Maseda To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Is there a News Group for this mail list? Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:32:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 14:55:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21012; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28383; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:54:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19760 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA23764 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:46:25 -0800 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:53:03 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:53:59 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, merscht@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: RE: deal's gap closure -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline THIS JUST IN: >Winnebago Industries of Iowa's President John K. Hanson advised Winnebago >motor home drivers are the safest drivers on the roads due mostly >to the superior engineering that goes into their production coupled >with the fact that most Winnebago drivers are over the age of 60. >He feels if the ban is to remain there should be some allowance given >to drivers of Winnebago >motor homes. Hanson, founder of Winnebago Industries who was a camper at one time, >was known for his research and development of the safest queen bed-equipped vehicles in the world. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 15:08:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21548; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28624; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20501 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id PAA19393; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:05:03 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570BE6@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'JOE NAGY'" , hgg@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Top Speed... -Reply Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:05:49 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain "yur gunna do some prayin' fur me, boy & you better pray REAL GOOD." > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 2:03 PM > To: hgg@XXXXXX; ghowell@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Top Speed... -Reply > > "Yer awful purty, boy . . ." > > >>> "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." - 3/31/98 11:40 PM > >>> > At 11:11 PM 3/31/98 -0500, George Howell wrote: > >What did the officer say when he verified your speed? > > I have to say that when I was riding my ZX-11, my biggest fear was > not > crashing or dying, but of being arrested and locked in a prison in > West > Virginia wearing a white leather suit. > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 15:25:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22035; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28791; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21281 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Wed Apr 1 14:24 CST 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id OAA18811 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:24:18 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5D82.330A8120@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:24:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Deal's Gap Closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:24:01 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I won't post the article from the Gold Wing riders' list because someone else probably will, but I thought everyone should be aware that RT. 129 will be closed to ALL motorcyclist's. I found the comments about Rice burners and the like to be quite offensive. Had the Police officer been quoted saying such things about a specific racial group, there would be hell to pay. I think he should have hell to pay and we should give it to him. I have not had the opportunity to ride the "Dragon" but, to close a public road that I pay taxes for is IMO unconstitutional. Thanks for letting me vent. Anyone who wants a copy of the e-mailed article let me know. Closure date is listed as April 30, 1998. (Hopefully this isn't some sort of sick April fool's joke) Later . . . John Carver '98 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 16:52:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23891; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29843; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24669 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28757; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from leon-at-home (cust018.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.18]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA03679 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:53:34 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980401214636.0066ebc0@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 16:46:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Mounting Party I'm home, it looks like the tire changing will happen. Leon. At 16:38 1-04-98 EST, Sean wrote: >Im running late.. but Im leaving now. I live in annapolis, so Im anticipating >a 1hr long ride... maybe more with traffic. I'll see you all in a few. > >Sean >Ride Free >CBR600F2 > > Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 16:57:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23982; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00133; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:56:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24874 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:56:32 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA20496 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:57:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199804012157.AA20496@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:57:07 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:57:07 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:57:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:54:31 -0500 Subject: Bike Blown Up by Police.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Ok..has the Horkster gone and left one of his bikes lying around again? ;-) -aki ************************************************************ *** Prince Charles security scare claims motorcycle Police Wednesday blew up a suspect motorcycle outside a venue in central London where Prince Charles, Britain's heir to the throne, had been due to attend a function. Police said they carried out a controlled explosion outside Marlborough House, headquarters of the Commonwealth, after evacuating the area. The building is opposite Charles's residence in St. James's Palace. Police said the motorcyle had looked suspicious and police were unable to trace the license plate. When they examined it later, however, they found no explosives. Charles, 49, arrived more than an hour late and joked about the delay. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2553574909-ed2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 16:59:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23997; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00234; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:58:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24962 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09533; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:58:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3522E37E.6266@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 17:01:50 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Dillon Subject: WHOA! No more Deals Gap! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, Dr. John (the day-tripper) posted this to the CAMS list. Man what bad news! >From the North Carolina Robbinsville Tribune END OF AN ERA Tennessee Govenor Don Sundquist (D) and North Carolina Governor James B. Hunt Jr.(D) made a joint announcement this date advising the State highway Route 129 known as Deal's Gap will be closed to all motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. Reading from a report by Tennesse's Transportation Commissioner J. Bruce Saltsman Sr. and North Carolina's Department of Transport secretary Garland B. Garrett Jr. indicating there has been too many motorcycle accidents with resulting serious injury and death on an eleven mile strip of Highway 129 known as Deal's Gap, the two state legislators have agreed to closing that section of roadway to all motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as "The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a 1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 deaths in the past two years. The American Motorcycle Association (AMA) an association that lobbies the government on laws pertaining to motorcyclists was contacted and stated that they were aware that the two State governments were thinking of taking some action to curb the loss of life along this stretch of highway but the AMA had not been consulted on any remedies they may wish to suggest. A spokesperson for the AMA stated not all motorcycle drivers are running this roadway dangerously and pointed out the statistics indicate there had not been one large touring type motorcycle involved in a serious accident in the past ten years. AMA stated it is considering petitioning the Federal Government to have the ban lifted as being unconstitutional. North Carolina's Graham County Sheriff Noel T. Baker, stationed at Robbinsville NC who has received some notoriety for ticketing motorcyclists in the area in an attempt to slow them down stated; "It is about time someone in the government took some action to reduce the carnage by motorcyclists on this highway". BAKER had been the target of a boycott by the BMW Association of America who's members are particularly prone to run this road to see who can do the eleven miles in the shortest period of time. BAKER, who's unmarked police cruiser ran off the road on one of the particularly sharp curves while pursuing a motorcyclist stated "I'm sick and tired of having to replace police cars running off this road in pursuit of motorcycles." Deal's Gap at the south end starts at a campground in North Carolina named "The Crossroads of Time" (COT) The roadway soon enters the state of Tennessee and continues north for approximately 11 miles just skirting the southern boundry of the Great Smoky Mountain National Park. Peter Johansen owner of the COT campsite where a private club known as the Dragons Den is located stated, "Last summer Sheriff BAKER cancelled the beer licence of the BMWA's annual picnic on the hottest day of the year. I sure had some hot and unhappy motorcyclists on my campground. Luckily I had just put in a big stock of my own beer and I gave it to the boys, at no charge of course". In answer to opposing this closure by ABATE, volunteer lobbyist, Rodney Roberts, on the grounds that it is discrimination, Governor Sundquist stated "If you think the State Governments can not close a roadway to a specified class of vehicles you only have to look at Tanglewood County Park where motorcycles have been banned for the past 35 years. If County Governments can restrict some roads to a certain classes of vehicles while banning other classes certainly the State Governments are also justified in doing so". Another example is the closing by the Federal Government of Yosemite National Park along with some other National Parks to all motor vehicles in the year 2000. Honda of America's President Koichi Amemiya advised Gold Wing motorcyclists are the safest motorcyclists on the roads due mostly to the superior engineering that goes into their production coupled with the fact that most Gold Wing drivers are over the age of 40. He feels if the ban is to remain there should be some allowance given to drivers of Gold Wing motorcycles. Amemiya stated Soichiro Honda, founder of the Honda Motor Corporation who was a racer at one time, was known for his research and development of the safest touring machines in the world. Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists (CVCOM) president has stated they will ignore the ban en masse and ride the Dragon on Sunday, May 5 with intentions of starting a class action suite claiming the American right to 'freedom to travel where ever they please'. The Kawasaki Concours Group have stated they will be joining in with the CVCOM to help support their action. BMW Owners of Georgia, a motorcycle club of over 200 members have taken a collection to help pay for any lawyers fees. Tennessee Tourist Development Commissioner John A Wade was quoted as saying "It will be hard on the tourist trade in the area which looks forward to hosting so many motorcyclists that visit here but we have contingincy plans to re-route any motorcyclists to the Great Smokey Mountain roadways where there are plenty of other good roads for motorcyclists to enjoy". John Bruce Saltsman Sr. Tennessee's Commissioner of transportation said there were plans on the book to re-construct that portion of Deal's Gap to a controlled access multi-laned highway but that construction was not slated until 2001. Wayne Shakelford, North Carolina's Transportation commissioner stated " We have been considering straightening out a few of the more dangerous curves along this stretch of highway but because of the mountainous topography the costs are prohibitive at this time". Governor Sundquist who himself is a motorcyclist stated "Unfortunately we are forced to ban all motorcycles and not just the crotch rockets and rice burners that are causing all the trouble". -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 17:13:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24202; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00609; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:11:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25402 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5D91.0CF7F620@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:10:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , , , , , Subject: FW: Check the validity of your Unix System ... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:10:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 12 TEXT Don't know if you all have UNIX or not.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi All, Some versions of UNIX have been found unable to process pseudo-complex mathematical notations. Try this command on your UNIX prompt to check the validity of your system. echo '82 43/25 43+65P80P82P73P76P32P70P79P79P76P10P' | dc From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 17:15:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24230; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:15:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00657; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25484 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5D91.5BAA7220@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:12:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: Deal's Gap Closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:12:30 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 17 TEXT Been out for the afternoon - you all been busy today. Here from WingZ in TX. He sent me the correct URL and so has Leon. Haven't heard from the governor - might get arrested for sending it to him to begin with. If he has any sense of humor, he'll just chuckle and send me some generic bogus e-mail. Tracy Tracy Horstman UNIX System Admin Lockheed Martin Mission Systems 9255 Wellington Road Manassas, VA 20110 Phone: (703) 367-2981 Fax: (703) 367-1392 E-mail: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 17:25:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24427; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00775; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25681 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:23:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1QDa020221 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:23:02 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <18bb7972.3522be48@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:23:02 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fame? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Cyber Cycle magazine wrote about me. Woo-hoo. Is this fame or what? http://www.cybercyclemag.com/leatherex.html Colleen ps: We still have a room for rent. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 18:53:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26265; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01325; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:52:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28438 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:52:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-219-198.pitb.grid.net [207.205.219.198]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA17897; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:51:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980401185343.006a66c4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 18:53:43 -0500 To: sbeck@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Deal's Gap Cc: gixer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <852565D9.00589048.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Regarding Deal's Gap, At 11:20 AM 4/1/98 -0400, sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: >>How is this stretch compared to 211 and >>33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, what??) > >Everything is much tighter, narrower and shorter. The corners are much >tighter. The street is much narrower. And the straights are much shorter. >It would be easy to come down with a case of motion sickness riding this >road. Steve put it well. I have a few photos of it on http://www.greenspun.com/harry/asheville.htm . I rarely got out of second gear and took many turns in first. This was riding hard without any traffic. By my second run, unlike Steve, though, I was ready to puke, so I pulled over and took more pictures. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 19:19:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26931; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01498; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29853 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-219-198.pitb.grid.net [207.205.219.198]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA23803 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:18:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980401191937.006a933c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 19:19:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: More bad news for speeders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Driving back from Baltimore this afternoon, I saw a guy pulled over by a trooper in an unmarked blue Monte Carlo!! He was just pulling back into traffic moments after turning his flashing lights off, when an unsuspecting motorist blew by him and found himself parked on the opposite shoulder. You know, just when I could spot a Caprice or Crown Vic from any angle, day or night, they go and do something like this. What's next, '72 Pintos? Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 00:14:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00994; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04310; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06005 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:13:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:12:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: deal's gap closure Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 00:14:03 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "jay goddard" , "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I have ridden the gap 10 times and and maybe shifted into 3rd once per run. >It takes me about 17 min to do the run. It is hard to do it with out >getting a car in front of you. Last time I was down there (September) the >record was held by a local boy on a newish TZ250 and they blocked off the >road for him. See, it's that big, heavy ZX9. You need a nice, svelte R1100RT to get down to 12 minutes. That plus fifty of NC's finest behind you:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 00:14:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00997; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:14:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04315; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06009 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:12:03 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: deal's gap closure Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 00:14:06 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Decided to e-mail the TN governor and the guy from Texas Wingz since the >URL doesn't exist on his web page - will keep you up to date if I hear >anything - probably just April Fools i figured (prayed) it was April Fools when I read it. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 00:14:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01003; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04307; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:13:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06000 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:11:57 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHOA! No more Deals Gap! Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 00:13:59 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "John C. Kozyn" , "dc-cycles" cc: "Dillon" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Dr. John (the day-tripper) posted this to the CAMS list. Man what bad >news! My, how fast news travels on the Internet. Everyone realizes, of course, that the subject of the 'Deal's Gap Closing' will circulate certain NGs and mailing lists for as long as reports of the Good Times Virus. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 00:35:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01265; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04733; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:34:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06361 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:34:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA28407; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:34:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35234E84.7182@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:38:28 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: WHOA! No more Deals Gap! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > My, how fast news travels on the Internet. Everyone realizes, of course, > that the subject of the 'Deal's Gap Closing' will circulate certain NGs > and mailing lists for as long as reports of the Good Times Virus. Being taken in by this (quite clever) prank along with several others, I think the subject's death will happily be far shorter. The very idea of GTV was germane to all NGs and listservs, erroneous as it may have been. Deals Gap is only germane to motorcyclists. Hope this helps. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 00:48:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01319; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04814; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:47:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06530 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02045; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from leon-at-home (cust010.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.10]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA17604 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:50:02 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980402054305.0067bc7c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:43:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Tire changing party The tire changing party was a mixed success. Roy (CBR600) got one of the two tires he brought changed. Jay (FZR) was 0 for 2, but he did manage to get both his bike and the tires here (of course he forgot to send the tires home, so I've still got them). Sean (CBR 600) got both tires changed but when we put the front tire back on there was a spacer missing (see final paragraph). Todd (ST1100), Linda (CBR600) and Louis (Concours) came by to insure there was at least some adult supervision, but left when the weather threatened to make us all wet. The whole Horkster clan stopped by, Dale (Concours) with the newest bike in the group and Tracy (Big Chrysler) with the official DC cycles to Deal's Gap chase cage. Ursulina came with Collin in his truck. Her job was to insure sure we could name all the parts we were handling and to quiz us on various aspects of the design and use thereof. And now for the solution to the missing spacer. . . after giving it some thought, (and after I've got the CBR600 safely stashed away in my garage) I suspect that it never existed in the first place. If we were to take the spacer from the left side, install it on the right, then slide the axle further to the right, the shoulder on the axle would make contact with the wheel bearing and allow both ends of the axle to be flush with the outside edges of the forks, then the nut wouldn't pull the right fork into the brake disk. With the spacer on the right side where the axle has no shoulder, it will keep the wheel centered and everything will work just fine. What say Collin or any CBR600 owner? Is this possible? Is there only a spacer on the right side of the front wheel on the CBR600? Were the 5 of us really dumb enough to make such a silly mistake? Stay tuned for more adventures . . . Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 07:14:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04290; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06842; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10901 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from krosenba.erols.com (207-172-73-71.s8.as2.man.erols.com [207.172.73.71]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA11238 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:13:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980402070637.007cc400@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: krosenba@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 07:06:37 -0500 To: "DC Cycles" From: Karl Rosenbaum Subject: Re: deal's gap closure In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:14 AM 04/02/1998 -0500, George Howell wrote: >>I have ridden the gap 10 times and and maybe shifted into 3rd once per run. >>It takes me about 17 min to do the run. It is hard to do it with out >>getting a car in front of you. Last time I was down there (September) the >>record was held by a local boy on a newish TZ250 and they blocked off the >>road for him. > >See, it's that big, heavy ZX9. You need a nice, svelte R1100RT to get >down to 12 minutes. That plus fifty of NC's finest behind you:) George, Believe it or not, the BMW that was referred to was a R1100GS! I was real surprised at how that bike handles until I rode one about 3 weeks ago. Karl Rosenbaum 94 BMW K1100 LT-A Woodbridge, VA http://www.erols.com/krosenba From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 07:17:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04312; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06860; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:16:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10931 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from krosenba.erols.com (207-172-73-71.s8.as2.man.erols.com [207.172.73.71]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA11821 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:16:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980402070858.007cf320@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: krosenba@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 07:08:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Karl Rosenbaum Subject: Re: Herndon Police Poker Run In-Reply-To: <199803251919.AA00143@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <19980325144419.UAWX27632@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:17 PM 03/25/1998 -0500, aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > Herndon Police Poker Run for '98 Announced > The Herndon Police Department is holding their annual poker run on June 6th. > Registration will be from 8:30am to 11am. Included in the registration fee of > $15 are lunch, beverages, one door prize, and a poker hand. It looks likely > that Lone Star Steakhouse will be on hand again for fixing up great burgers, > but if they don't come then the Tortilla Factory will provide the meal. The > last bike will return by 3pm. Trophies will be awarded to the highest hands > in the three catagories of rider, co-rider, and biggest club. Proceeds from > the event will be split between the Hospice of Northern Virginia and the > Fraternal Order of Police. Got this note a few weeks ago, and have been meaning to ask if the start location was at the PD in Herndon. I have not gone to it in the past. Karl Rosenbaum 94 BMW K1100 LT-A Woodbridge, VA http://www.erols.com/krosenba From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 08:39:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05146; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07330; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:38:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11989 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 08:30:11 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 08:38:21 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tire Mounting Party Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline The good news is my tires are mounted, the bad news is I had to leave the bike at Leon's. This will be too brief since I have to run,