From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 00:09:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08332; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03391; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28487 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.47] (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 00:06:56 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Top Speed... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 98 00:08:56 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > I have to say that when I was riding my ZX-11, my biggest fear was not >crashing or dying, but of being arrested and locked in a prison in West >Virginia wearing a white leather suit. Used to go to Frostburg, and went drinking in WVa a few times (they weren't so strict on age). And to put it not too nicely, I am sure they would have LOVED you in some of those prisons:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 00:25:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08600; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:25:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03937; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (known m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28673 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA13118; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:47:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:47:43 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Top Speed... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D52F66F@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Take it to the TRACK! you hellion you.. :P (P.S. - mine did an indicated 130) And you shouldn't be refering to yourself as a newbie anymore.. you've already done more miles and 10 RUBS would in a year, and most fair-weather riders do in a summer.. On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Please, no flames, I'm just a proud semi-newbie who did her top speed of > 105 this weekend! = : o > > - Jeannette > > Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 85 XT250 (street/dirt) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) 83 CB1100f RIP - 86 VF500f RIP- next? www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 00:39:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08679; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:39:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04143; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28803 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.47] (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 00:36:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Top Speed... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 98 00:38:26 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Brian McCoy" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Take it to the TRACK! you hellion you.. :P (P.S. - mine did an indicated >130) And you shouldn't be refering to yourself as a newbie anymore.. >you've already done more miles and 10 RUBS would in a year, and most >fair-weather riders do in a summer.. Last week, there was a meeting for one of the property groups my parents are a part of. Father and I walked in and placed helmets on the floor under our seats. One of the doctors chimes in "Oh, I've got a Harley". Yeah. How come I've never seen it? Course, I guess he is making enough for a $17,000 objet d'art. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 06:56:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA11914; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:56:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA15604; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com (known micros-bh.micros.com [206.241.67.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA03411 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:54:49 -0500 (EST) From: bmccoy@XXXXXX Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id GAA05093 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:54:49 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma005027; Wed, 1 Apr 98 06:54:33 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id GAA15824 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) id AA891430626; Wed, 01 Apr 98 06:55:01 -0500 Message-Id: <9804018914.AA891430626@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 98 06:35:31 -0500 To: Subject: vfr rim for hawk (for sale) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, found this floating around one of my lists... thought someone might be interested or could pass it on to the Hawk list.. Brian P.S. standard disclaimers..... ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ There are two ways to mount a VFR rim on a hawk: modify the rim, or modify the rear axle spindle. I chose the later for two reasons: I personally think it looks better, and I think it is stronger (aka safer), modifying the case- hardened steel instead of the soft alloy rim that Honda built that way for a reason anyway. Well, this mod looks way cool, especially with a matching black F2 rim up front. This whole assembly is now for sale because the class I'm racing my hawk in requires stock rims. Assembly includes: Black 5" VFR rim Modified spindle Wheel studs and lug nuts The center axle bolt is no longer used with this modification, there are no clearance problems. I'm selling it for $500, which is about what I have into it. Trades and negotiations always considered. I'm in Phoenix, price does not include shipping. Troy Tinsley gonridn@XXXXXX --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="RFC822.TXT" Received: from micros.micros.com by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) ; Tue, 31 Mar 98 12:44:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from micros-bh.micros.com (igate.micros.com [206.241.67.129]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id MAA27605 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id MAA22158 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:43:57 -0500 Received: from alutia.micapeak.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma022138; Tue, 31 Mar 98 12:43:41 -0500 Received: from alutia.micapeak.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alutia.micapeak.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA23237; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:41:30 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:41:30 -0800 Message-Id: <825c9c8.35212a35@aol.com> Errors-To: race-owner@XXXXXX Reply-To: race@XXXXXX Originator: race@XXXXXX Sender: race@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk From: Gonridn To: Motorcycle Roadracing Listserver Subject: vfr rim for hawk (for sale) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Motorcycle Roadracing Listserver Mime-Version: 1.0 --simple boundary-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 08:10:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12633; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17060; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:08:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04307 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:08:51 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565D9.004887EB ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:12:13 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: ghowell@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565D9.00484741.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:12:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Top Speed... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII One of the doctors chimes in "Oh, I've got a Harley". Do you think he would have been offended if you had answered "You have my condolences."? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 09:26:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13604; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18174; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06129 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:24:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA27568 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:24:43 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:24:43 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Leon Begeman's web page Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:27:25 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 11 TEXT For those of you who haven't seen this: http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider Made the trip into work worthwhile just to see this today. Thanks, Leon Michael (firmly put in his place for actually using a motorcycle to do his SS1K) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 09:40:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14030; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18549; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06830 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA04937; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:39:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:38:22 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570BCC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'George Howell'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Top Speed... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:39:06 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Speaking of ignorant, Tom & I were acting a bit like squids last night racing some guy (well, he was the one doing the successful portion of the racing, my bike can't keep up with a ZX6) and the guy who was attempting to keep up with Tom had a girl on the back (pillion) in short sleeves and shorts! The look of terror in her eyes made me feel a bit bad for her. What's some guy doing racing like that with an exposed pillion? hmmm - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 11:12 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Top Speed... > > > > Awfully ignorant of him driving that fast with his kid in the car. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > -George Howell AMA#553567 > ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 > georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:02:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14478; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19059; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07666 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA13929; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:00:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA20448; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:00:42 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA20435; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:00:32 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5D3B.D2B40A30@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:00:15 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'George Howell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Top Speed... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:55:26 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 37 TEXT I think it has something to do with excess testosterone. Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 6:39 AM >To: 'George Howell'; DC Cycles >Subject: RE: Top Speed... > >Speaking of ignorant, Tom & I were acting a bit like squids last night >racing some guy (well, he was the one doing the successful portion of >the racing, my bike can't keep up with a ZX6) and the guy who was >attempting to keep up with Tom had a girl on the back (pillion) in short >sleeves and shorts! The look of terror in her eyes made me feel a bit >bad for her. What's some guy doing racing like that with an exposed >pillion? hmmm > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 11:12 PM >> To: O'Brien, Jeannette; DC Cycles >> Subject: Re: Top Speed... >> >> >> >> Awfully ignorant of him driving that fast with his kid in the car. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> -George Howell AMA#553567 >> ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 >> georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:08:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14590; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19259; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07861 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.33] (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:05:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: deal's gap closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 98 10:07:37 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" picked this up on the wings list. Somebody better check this out. BTW, it was sent 4/1/1998, so who knows if it's real. -George >With all the talk about closing some National Parks to motorists I >thought this would be of interest to the list especially if you were >thinking of visiting Tennessee and South Carolina this summer to >'Drive the Dragon' aka Deal's Gap. > >From the North Carolina Robbinsville Tribune > >END OF AN ERA > >Tennessee Govenor Don Sundquist (D) and North Carolina >Governor James B. Hunt Jr.(D) made a joint announcement >this date advising the State highway Route 129 known as Deal's >Gap will be closed to all motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. > >Reading from a report by Tennesse's Transportation Commissioner >J. Bruce Saltsman Sr. and North Carolina's Department of Transport >secretary Garland B. Garrett Jr. indicating there has been too many >motorcycle accidents with resulting serious injury and death on an >eleven mile strip of Highway 129 known as Deal's Gap, the two state >legislators have agreed to closing that section of roadway to all >motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. > >Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as >"The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past >few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a >1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 >deaths in the past two years. > >The American Motorcycle Association (AMA) an association that >lobbies the government on laws pertaining to motorcyclists was >contacted and stated that they were aware that the two State >governments were thinking of taking some action to curb the loss >of life along this stretch of highway but the AMA had not been >consulted on any remedies they may wish to suggest. A spokesperson >for the AMA stated not all motorcycle drivers are running this >roadway dangerously and pointed out the statistics indicate there had >not been one large touring type motorcycle involved in a serious >accident in the past ten years. AMA stated it is considering >petitioning >the Federal Government to have the ban lifted as being >unconstitutional. > >North Carolina's Graham County Sheriff Noel T. Baker, stationed at >Robbinsville NC who has received some notoriety for ticketing >motorcyclists in the area in an attempt to slow them down stated; >"It is about time someone in the government took some action to >reduce the carnage by motorcyclists on this highway". BAKER >had been the target of a boycott by the BMW Association of America >who's members are particularly prone to run this road to see who can >do the eleven miles in the shortest period of time. BAKER, who's >unmarked police cruiser ran off the road on one of the particularly >sharp curves while pursuing a motorcyclist stated "I'm sick and tired >of having to replace police cars running off this road in pursuit of >motorcycles." > >Deal's Gap at the south end starts at a campground in North Carolina >named "The Crossroads of Time" (COT) The roadway soon enters >the state of Tennessee and continues north for approximately 11 miles >just skirting the southern boundry of the Great Smoky Mountain >National >Park. Peter Johansen owner of the COT campsite where a private club >known as the Dragons Den is located stated, "Last summer Sheriff >BAKER cancelled the beer licence of the BMWA's annual picnic on the >hottest day of the year. I sure had some hot and unhappy >motorcyclists >on my campground. Luckily I had just put in a big stock of my own >beer and I gave it to the boys, at no charge of course". > >In answer to opposing this closure by ABATE, volunteer lobbyist, >Rodney Roberts, on the grounds that it is discrimination, Governor >Sundquist stated "If you think the State Governments can not close >a roadway to a specified class of vehicles you only have to look at >Tanglewood County Park where motorcycles have been banned >for the past 35 years. If County Governments can restrict some roads >to a certain classes of vehicles while banning other classes certainly >the State Governments are also justified in doing so". Another >example >is the closing by the Federal Government of Yosemite National Park >along with some other National Parks to all motor vehicles in the year >2000. > >Honda of America's President Koichi Amemiya advised Gold Wing >motorcyclists are the safest motorcyclists on the roads due mostly >to the superior engineering that goes into their production coupled >with the fact that most Gold Wing drivers are over the age of 40. >He feels if the ban is to remain there should be some allowance given >to drivers of Gold Wing motorcycles. Amemiya stated Soichiro Honda, >founder of the Honda Motor Corporation who was a racer at one time, >was known for his research and development of the safest touring >machines in the world. > >Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists (CVCOM) president has stated >they will ignore the ban en masse and ride the Dragon on Sunday, >May 5 with intentions of starting a class action suite claiming the >American right to 'freedom to travel where ever they please'. The >Kawasaki Concours Group have stated they will be joining in with >the CVCOM to help support their action. BMW Owners of Georgia, >a motorcycle club of over 200 members have taken a collection to >help pay for any lawyers fees. > >Tennessee Tourist Development Commissioner John A Wade was >quoted as saying "It will be hard on the tourist trade in the area >which >looks forward to hosting so many motorcyclists that visit here but we >have contingincy plans to re-route any motorcyclists to the Great >Smokey Mountain roadways where there are plenty of other good >roads for motorcyclists to enjoy". > >John Bruce Saltsman Sr. Tennessee's Commissioner of transportation >said there were plans on the book to re-construct that portion of >Deal's >Gap to a controlled access multi-laned highway but that construction >was not slated until 2001. Wayne Shakelford, North Carolina's >Transportation commissioner stated " We have been considering >straightening out a few of the more dangerous curves along this >stretch >of highway but because of the mountainous topography the costs are >prohibitive at this time". > >Governor Sundquist who himself is a motorcyclist stated "Unfortunately >we are forced to ban all motorcycles and not just the crotch rockets >and rice burners that are causing all the trouble". > >End of newspaper article. > >Apparently there will be an article in the 'American Motorcyclist' >Magazine in May's issue. Look for more details in the magazine >article. > >This issue boggles the mind (at least mine). It is even more >outrageous than states like Florida permitting communities to pass >bans on cruising sailboats anchoring in their harbors. Some >communities (Puget Sound islands) have tried to ban jet-skiis from >their harbors but have lost in court. > >Now please don't shoot the messenger. For further information >there is more about this road closure on >http://www.dallas.net/~jsides/txwingz/dealsgap.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:18:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14792; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19478; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (known sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08200 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA28594 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:17:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca007.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.78]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA02236 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:17:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA007 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:17:11 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B46@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: FW: Deal's Gap Closure (long) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:16:57 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On my! Todd, we may want to factor this into our trip plans .... --chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > > > > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:07:36 -0600 > > From: "Norm & Kay Hustad" > > Subject: [Wings] Deal's Gap Closure > > > > With all the talk about closing some National Parks to motorists I > > thought this would be of interest to the list especially if you were > > thinking of visiting Tennessee and South Carolina this summer to > > 'Drive the Dragon' aka Deal's Gap. > > > > From the North Carolina Robbinsville Tribune > > > > END OF AN ERA > > > > Tennessee Govenor Don Sundquist (D) and North Carolina > > Governor James B. Hunt Jr.(D) made a joint announcement > > this date advising the State highway Route 129 known as Deal's > > Gap will be closed to all motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. > > > > Reading from a report by Tennesse's Transportation Commissioner > > J. Bruce Saltsman Sr. and North Carolina's Department of Transport > > secretary Garland B. Garrett Jr. indicating there has been too many > > motorcycle accidents with resulting serious injury and death on an > > eleven mile strip of Highway 129 known as Deal's Gap, the two state > > legislators have agreed to closing that section of roadway to all > > motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. > > > > Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as > > "The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past > > few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a > > 1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 > > deaths in the past two years. > > > > The American Motorcycle Association (AMA) an association that > > lobbies the government on laws pertaining to motorcyclists was > > contacted and stated that they were aware that the two State > > governments were thinking of taking some action to curb the loss > > of life along this stretch of highway but the AMA had not been > > consulted on any remedies they may wish to suggest. A spokesperson > > for the AMA stated not all motorcycle drivers are running this > > roadway dangerously and pointed out the statistics indicate there > had > > not been one large touring type motorcycle involved in a serious > > accident in the past ten years. AMA stated it is considering > > petitioning > > the Federal Government to have the ban lifted as being > > unconstitutional. > > > > North Carolina's Graham County Sheriff Noel T. Baker, stationed at > > Robbinsville NC who has received some notoriety for ticketing > > motorcyclists in the area in an attempt to slow them down stated; > > "It is about time someone in the government took some action to > > reduce the carnage by motorcyclists on this highway". BAKER > > had been the target of a boycott by the BMW Association of America > > who's members are particularly prone to run this road to see who can > > do the eleven miles in the shortest period of time. BAKER, who's > > unmarked police cruiser ran off the road on one of the particularly > > sharp curves while pursuing a motorcyclist stated "I'm sick and > tired > > of having to replace police cars running off this road in pursuit of > > motorcycles." > > > > Deal's Gap at the south end starts at a campground in North Carolina > > named "The Crossroads of Time" (COT) The roadway soon enters > > the state of Tennessee and continues north for approximately 11 > miles > > just skirting the southern boundry of the Great Smoky Mountain > > National > > Park. Peter Johansen owner of the COT campsite where a private club > > known as the Dragons Den is located stated, "Last summer Sheriff > > BAKER cancelled the beer licence of the BMWA's annual picnic on the > > hottest day of the year. I sure had some hot and unhappy > > motorcyclists > > on my campground. Luckily I had just put in a big stock of my own > > beer and I gave it to the boys, at no charge of course". > > > > In answer to opposing this closure by ABATE, volunteer lobbyist, > > Rodney Roberts, on the grounds that it is discrimination, Governor > > Sundquist stated "If you think the State Governments can not close > > a roadway to a specified class of vehicles you only have to look at > > Tanglewood County Park where motorcycles have been banned > > for the past 35 years. If County Governments can restrict some roads > > to a certain classes of vehicles while banning other classes > certainly > > the State Governments are also justified in doing so". Another > > example > > is the closing by the Federal Government of Yosemite National Park > > along with some other National Parks to all motor vehicles in the > year > > 2000. > > > > Honda of America's President Koichi Amemiya advised Gold Wing > > motorcyclists are the safest motorcyclists on the roads due mostly > > to the superior engineering that goes into their production coupled > > with the fact that most Gold Wing drivers are over the age of 40. > > He feels if the ban is to remain there should be some allowance > given > > to drivers of Gold Wing motorcycles. Amemiya stated Soichiro Honda, > > founder of the Honda Motor Corporation who was a racer at one time, > > was known for his research and development of the safest touring > > machines in the world. > > > > Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists (CVCOM) president has stated > > they will ignore the ban en masse and ride the Dragon on Sunday, > > May 5 with intentions of starting a class action suite claiming the > > American right to 'freedom to travel where ever they please'. The > > Kawasaki Concours Group have stated they will be joining in with > > the CVCOM to help support their action. BMW Owners of Georgia, > > a motorcycle club of over 200 members have taken a collection to > > help pay for any lawyers fees. > > > > Tennessee Tourist Development Commissioner John A Wade was > > quoted as saying "It will be hard on the tourist trade in the area > > which > > looks forward to hosting so many motorcyclists that visit here but > we > > have contingincy plans to re-route any motorcyclists to the Great > > Smokey Mountain roadways where there are plenty of other good > > roads for motorcyclists to enjoy". > > > > John Bruce Saltsman Sr. Tennessee's Commissioner of transportation > > said there were plans on the book to re-construct that portion of > > Deal's > > Gap to a controlled access multi-laned highway but that construction > > was not slated until 2001. Wayne Shakelford, North Carolina's > > Transportation commissioner stated " We have been considering > > straightening out a few of the more dangerous curves along this > > stretch > > of highway but because of the mountainous topography the costs are > > prohibitive at this time". > > > > Governor Sundquist who himself is a motorcyclist stated > "Unfortunately > > we are forced to ban all motorcycles and not just the crotch rockets > > and rice burners that are causing all the trouble". > > > > End of newspaper article. > > > > Apparently there will be an article in the 'American Motorcyclist' > > Magazine in May's issue. Look for more details in the magazine > > article. > > > > This issue boggles the mind (at least mine). It is even more > > outrageous than states like Florida permitting communities to pass > > bans on cruising sailboats anchoring in their harbors. Some > > communities (Puget Sound islands) have tried to ban jet-skiis from > > their harbors but have lost in court. > > > > Now please don't shoot the messenger. For further information > > there is more about this road closure on > > http://www.dallas.net/~jsides/dealsgap.html > > > > > > Norm Hustad > > AMA, HRCA, IBA > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:39:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15370; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19933; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09118 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:38:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (sward@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15155 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sward@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA24690 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:38:25 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: shell.clark.net: sward owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:38:24 -0500 (EST) From: David Sward To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: deal's gap closure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, George Howell wrote: snip snip ... > >sharp curves while pursuing a motorcyclist stated "I'm sick and tired > >of having to replace police cars running off this road in pursuit of > >motorcycles." [...] > >Governor Sundquist who himself is a motorcyclist stated "Unfortunately > >we are forced to ban all motorcycles and not just the crotch rockets > >and rice burners that are causing all the trouble". ROFL! -- David Sward sward@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:43:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15444; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20027; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:42:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09230 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:42:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-117.s117.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.117]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24230; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:42:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <352260BD.D88B9E9A@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:43:57 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: deal's gap closure References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It must be an April Fools joke!!! Some of the BMW's are quick, but if a Beemer can pull 12 minutes, any properly set up CBR (6 or 9), GSXR, or several others, with the right rider should be able to do every bit as much if not better. (just kidding guys.. don't beat up on me) Never been to the stretch, but seen a few pics... average speed of 60 is the best that's been pulled??? How is this stretch compared to 211 and 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, what??) Last time I ran 211 I was poking along waiting for some other fellas, but I checked the speedo at 65 in several curves.. much higher in the brief straights... If this is a true report, it really sucks... No reason that they can't ban motorcycles though.. they do similar things for other classes of vehicles. And since it's all m/c not just sport bikes, they will have a much stronger position in court...I'm betting that if those two groups get a lawsuit going, they'll manage to get a temporary injunction on the ban.. that'll give me a chance to go see it :) Collin (looking for his nomex suit to dodge george, harry, and all the other beemer riders :)) George Howell wrote: > >Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as > >"The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past > >few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a > >1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 > >deaths in the past two years. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:46:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15472; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20087; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:45:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net (known loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09339 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20405; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:45:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA26758; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:45:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804011545.KAA26758@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: deal's gap closure To: ghowell@XXXXXX (George Howell ) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:45:32 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: from "George Howell " at Apr 1, 98 10:07:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Well, the web page listed at the end bombed, and I'm a member of both VCOM and the Kawasaki Concours group and haven't heard anything about this yet. If the story continues after April Fools Day, then I'd be concerned. Louis > picked this up on the wings list. Somebody better check this out. BTW, it > was sent 4/1/1998, so who knows if it's real. [Deals Gap story deleted for those on Digest] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | Entrant #19, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:51:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15536; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:51:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20239; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09482 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVCOC0BFDC8ZI1Y2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:43:32 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:34:32 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:34:32 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:34:02 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: Re: deal's gap closure In-reply-to: To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:34:02 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1132IHW29U1X X400-MTS-identifier: [;23430110408991/2488408@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 Does this mean they've given up the idea of providing air bag fitted suits at the entrance to The Dragon? Of the options that were put forward to improve the safety at Deal's Gap (simply outlawing BMWs - seemingly the main problem with their testosterone driven pilots, air bag fitted suits, enforcing the Deal's Gap outrigger law, outlawing all motorcycles, etc) I thought the air bag suit one was the neatest. Hundreds of Michelin Men (and women) attacking Deal's Gap with glee with be an interesting sight. Well, you win some you lose some. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:58:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15660; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:58:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20510; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09808 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5D5C.BCD45B90@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:55:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: deal's gap closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:55:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 19 TEXT Decided to e-mail the TN governor and the guy from Texas Wingz since the URL doesn't exist on his web page - will keep you up to date if I hear anything - probably just April Fools Tracy ---------- ^From: George Howell[SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 10:07 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: deal's gap closure picked this up on the wings list. Somebody better check this out. BTW, it was sent 4/1/1998, so who knows if it's real. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:08:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15833; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21277; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10147 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804011607.LAA10147@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:21 -0500 From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC Cycles , George Howell Subject: RE: deal's gap closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:57:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" But note, if you take the txwingz part out of the URL at the bottom of George's message, you get an interesting page... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: deal's gap closure Author: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] at DISAHUB Date: 4/1/98 10:07 AM picked this up on the wings list. Somebody better check this out. BTW, it was sent 4/1/1998, so who knows if it's real. -George >With all the talk about closing some National Parks to motorists I >thought this would be of interest to the list especially if you were >thinking of visiting Tennessee and South Carolina this summer to >'Drive the Dragon' aka Deal's Gap. > >From the North Carolina Robbinsville Tribune > >END OF AN ERA > >Tennessee Govenor Don Sundquist (D) and North Carolina >Governor James B. Hunt Jr.(D) made a joint announcement >this date advising the State highway Route 129 known as Deal's >Gap will be closed to all motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. > >Reading from a report by Tennesse's Transportation Commissioner >J. Bruce Saltsman Sr. and North Carolina's Department of Transport >secretary Garland B. Garrett Jr. indicating there has been too many >motorcycle accidents with resulting serious injury and death on an >eleven mile strip of Highway 129 known as Deal's Gap, the two state >legislators have agreed to closing that section of roadway to all >motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. > >Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as >"The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past >few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a >1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 >deaths in the past two years. > >The American Motorcycle Association (AMA) an association that >lobbies the government on laws pertaining to motorcyclists was >contacted and stated that they were aware that the two State >governments were thinking of taking some action to curb the loss >of life along this stretch of highway but the AMA had not been >consulted on any remedies they may wish to suggest. A spokesperson >for the AMA stated not all motorcycle drivers are running this >roadway dangerously and pointed out the statistics indicate there had >not been one large touring type motorcycle involved in a serious >accident in the past ten years. AMA stated it is considering >petitioning >the Federal Government to have the ban lifted as being >unconstitutional. > >North Carolina's Graham County Sheriff Noel T. Baker, stationed at >Robbinsville NC who has received some notoriety for ticketing >motorcyclists in the area in an attempt to slow them down stated; >"It is about time someone in the government took some action to >reduce the carnage by motorcyclists on this highway". BAKER >had been the target of a boycott by the BMW Association of America >who's members are particularly prone to run this road to see who can >do the eleven miles in the shortest period of time. BAKER, who's >unmarked police cruiser ran off the road on one of the particularly >sharp curves while pursuing a motorcyclist stated "I'm sick and tired >of having to replace police cars running off this road in pursuit of >motorcycles." > >Deal's Gap at the south end starts at a campground in North Carolina >named "The Crossroads of Time" (COT) The roadway soon enters >the state of Tennessee and continues north for approximately 11 miles >just skirting the southern boundry of the Great Smoky Mountain >National >Park. Peter Johansen owner of the COT campsite where a private club >known as the Dragons Den is located stated, "Last summer Sheriff >BAKER cancelled the beer licence of the BMWA's annual picnic on the >hottest day of the year. I sure had some hot and unhappy >motorcyclists >on my campground. Luckily I had just put in a big stock of my own >beer and I gave it to the boys, at no charge of course". > >In answer to opposing this closure by ABATE, volunteer lobbyist, >Rodney Roberts, on the grounds that it is discrimination, Governor >Sundquist stated "If you think the State Governments can not close >a roadway to a specified class of vehicles you only have to look at >Tanglewood County Park where motorcycles have been banned >for the past 35 years. If County Governments can restrict some roads >to a certain classes of vehicles while banning other classes certainly >the State Governments are also justified in doing so". Another >example >is the closing by the Federal Government of Yosemite National Park >along with some other National Parks to all motor vehicles in the year >2000. > >Honda of America's President Koichi Amemiya advised Gold Wing >motorcyclists are the safest motorcyclists on the roads due mostly >to the superior engineering that goes into their production coupled >with the fact that most Gold Wing drivers are over the age of 40. >He feels if the ban is to remain there should be some allowance given >to drivers of Gold Wing motorcycles. Amemiya stated Soichiro Honda, >founder of the Honda Motor Corporation who was a racer at one time, >was known for his research and development of the safest touring >machines in the world. > >Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists (CVCOM) president has stated >they will ignore the ban en masse and ride the Dragon on Sunday, >May 5 with intentions of starting a class action suite claiming the >American right to 'freedom to travel where ever they please'. The >Kawasaki Concours Group have stated they will be joining in with >the CVCOM to help support their action. BMW Owners of Georgia, >a motorcycle club of over 200 members have taken a collection to >help pay for any lawyers fees. > >Tennessee Tourist Development Commissioner John A Wade was >quoted as saying "It will be hard on the tourist trade in the area >which >looks forward to hosting so many motorcyclists that visit here but we >have contingincy plans to re-route any motorcyclists to the Great >Smokey Mountain roadways where there are plenty of other good >roads for motorcyclists to enjoy". > >John Bruce Saltsman Sr. Tennessee's Commissioner of transportation >said there were plans on the book to re-construct that portion of >Deal's >Gap to a controlled access multi-laned highway but that construction >was not slated until 2001. Wayne Shakelford, North Carolina's >Transportation commissioner stated " We have been considering >straightening out a few of the more dangerous curves along this >stretch >of highway but because of the mountainous topography the costs are >prohibitive at this time". > >Governor Sundquist who himself is a motorcyclist stated "Unfortunately >we are forced to ban all motorcycles and not just the crotch rockets >and rice burners that are causing all the trouble". > >End of newspaper article. > >Apparently there will be an article in the 'American Motorcyclist' >Magazine in May's issue. Look for more details in the magazine >article. > >This issue boggles the mind (at least mine). It is even more >outrageous than states like Florida permitting communities to pass >bans on cruising sailboats anchoring in their harbors. Some >communities (Puget Sound islands) have tried to ban jet-skiis from >their harbors but have lost in court. > >Now please don't shoot the messenger. For further information >there is more about this road closure on >http://www.dallas.net/~jsides/txwingz/dealsgap.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:08:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15836; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21276; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10154 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA14309; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:06:16 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570BD6@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Top Speed... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:12 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Well, I just may have to take you up on that...in a couple years!! ; ) I've always had dreams of being Speed Racer, but on a bike! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 11:48 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Top Speed... > > Take it to the TRACK! you hellion you.. :P (P.S. - mine did an > indicated > 130) And you shouldn't be refering to yourself as a newbie anymore.. > you've already done more miles and 10 RUBS would in a year, and most > fair-weather riders do in a summer.. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:11:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15861; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21435; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:10:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10213 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVCPJR0T9S8ZJO9A@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:06:45 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:02:49 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:02:49 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:02:17 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: Re: deal's gap closure To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:02:18 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1136IHW2DI13 X400-MTS-identifier: [;94201110408991/2488637@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Never been to the stretch, but seen a few pics... average speed of 60 >is the best that's been pulled??? How is this stretch compared to 211 >and 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, >what??) Last time I ran 211 I was poking along waiting for some other >fellas, but I checked the speedo at 65 in several curves.. much higher >in the brief straights... I've never been to Deals Gap either but I've been to plenty of similar spots. Deals Gap sounds like an extended version of the short stretch of tight twisties on US250 (which parallels US33, just to the south). 33 would probably be considered medium sweepers and 211 has pretty wide open sweepers comparatively. Sweepers don't go down in my book as being tight (also, sweepers happen to be the type of corner I'm the worst at, probably because of the sheer speeds you're able to attain and the lack of on street practice I've given them because of this). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:11:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15875; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21487; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10237 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:10:32 -0500 (EST) X-ROUTED: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:12:18 -0500 Received: from WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL [160.151.107.198] by dclink.com with smtp id ALALDKEN ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:12:00 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: deal's gap closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:15:14 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd5d89$5a540380$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Wow, using descriptions like crotch rockets and especially "rice burner" has got to be a nightmare for the politically correct! That's too funny! Jay -----Original Message----- >From: sward@XXXXXX To: Jaynik Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 11:04 AM Subject: Re: deal's gap closure > >On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, George Howell wrote: > >snip snip ... > >> >sharp curves while pursuing a motorcyclist stated "I'm sick and tired >> >of having to replace police cars running off this road in pursuit of >> >motorcycles." >[...] >> >Governor Sundquist who himself is a motorcyclist stated "Unfortunately >> >we are forced to ban all motorcycles and not just the crotch rockets >> >and rice burners that are causing all the trouble". > >ROFL! > >-- >David Sward sward@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:12:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15894; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:12:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21580; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10270 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:11:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804011611.LAA10270@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:11:08 -0500 From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'George Howell'" , DC Cycles , "O'Brien, Jeannette " Subject: RE: Top Speed... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:05:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain What's that poem about a guy with a girlfriend named Ruth? Something about "hit a bump at 95 and rode on ruthlessly"? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Top Speed... Author: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] at DISAHUB Date: 4/1/98 9:39 AM Speaking of ignorant, Tom & I were acting a bit like squids last night racing some guy (well, he was the one doing the successful portion of the racing, my bike can't keep up with a ZX6) and the guy who was attempting to keep up with Tom had a girl on the back (pillion) in short sleeves and shorts! The look of terror in her eyes made me feel a bit bad for her. What's some guy doing racing like that with an exposed pillion? hmmm - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 11:12 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Top Speed... > > > > Awfully ignorant of him driving that fast with his kid in the car. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > -George Howell AMA#553567 > ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 > georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:16:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15930; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21745; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10339 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:14:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id LAA06377; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:14:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35226854.F6DE4FD0@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:16:20 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: deal's gap closure References: <352260BD.D88B9E9A@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have ridden the gap 10 times and and maybe shifted into 3rd once per run. It takes me about 17 min to do the run. It is hard to do it with out getting a car in front of you. Last time I was down there (September) the record was held by a local boy on a newish TZ250 and they blocked off the road for him. Jay ZX9R Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > It must be an April Fools joke!!! Some of the BMW's are quick, but if a > Beemer can pull 12 minutes, any properly set up CBR (6 or 9), GSXR, or > several others, with the right rider should be able to do every bit as > much if not better. > (just kidding guys.. don't beat up on me) > Never been to the stretch, but seen a few pics... average speed of 60 is > the best that's been pulled??? How is this stretch compared to 211 and > 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, what??) > Last time I ran 211 I was poking along waiting for some other fellas, > but I checked the speedo at 65 in several curves.. much higher in the > brief straights... > > If this is a true report, it really sucks... No reason that they can't > ban motorcycles though.. they do similar things for other classes of > vehicles. And since it's all m/c not just sport bikes, they will have > a much stronger position in court...I'm betting that if those two groups > get a lawsuit going, they'll manage to get a temporary injunction on the > ban.. that'll give me a chance to go see it :) > > Collin > (looking for his nomex suit to dodge george, harry, and all the other > beemer riders :)) > > George Howell wrote: > > > >Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as > > >"The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past > > >few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a > > >1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 > > >deaths in the past two years. > > -- > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:18:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15942; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21977; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10419 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:17:11 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565D9.0059C6C6 ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:20:35 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: gixer@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565D9.00589048.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:20:31 -0400 Subject: Re: deal's gap closure Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII How is this stretch compared to 211 and 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, what??) Everything is much tighter, narrower and shorter. The corners are much tighter. The street is much narrower. And the straights are much shorter. I doubt most people could get much above 65 on the straights because the next corner is coming up so fast. Some of the corners are so off camber you would swear you were riding on the sidewalls. It would be easy to come down with a case of motion sickness riding this road. Fortunately I don't get motions sickness, so all it gave me was a terminal case of smiles. John Weinstein hosted a visitor from England (Karl Milliard) for a motorcycle vacation last fall. We took him down there and his description of the road was "best road on the planet". I sure hope this is all just an April fools joke. It would be a real shame to lose access to this marvelous piece of roadway. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:22:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15998; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:22:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22224; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:21:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (known sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10501 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA03517 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:21:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca007.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.78]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA06679 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:21:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA007 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:21:47 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B47@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'motolist@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Closure (long) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:21:33 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain This is an April Fool's day Joke! The web page at the bottom does work ... it says that you have been had. --chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: A01LRL3@XXXXXX[SMTP:A01LRL3@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 9:52 AM > To: Cybertwisties at your fingertips > Subject: Deal's Gap Closure (long) > > > > > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:07:36 -0600 > > From: "Norm & Kay Hustad" > > Subject: [Wings] Deal's Gap Closure > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:33:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16189; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:33:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22669; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:32:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10811 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2A0V5GHZ>; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:30:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Jinn Sinn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: So, what exactly is the "merge lane"? Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:30:59 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Actually, a guy on the MR2 list just wrote in that someone on the Autobahn was going slow in the left lane. He flashed to pass and the in front of him slammed on the brakes. We told him it sounded like someone in the states was driving that vehicle. I guess there are aholes everywhere. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > have two choices, either speed up so the car doesn't "catch" you, or move back > into the right lane (where, by the way, others drivers will make room for you > to get in) and believe it or not, EVERYONE follows these rules! there are very > few accidents (although because of the speeds involved the accidents are often > fatal) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:38:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16276; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22845; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:37:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known welchlink.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11012 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-218-244.pitb.grid.net [207.205.218.244]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA14765 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:37:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980401113858.006a1a64@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:38:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Deal's Gap Closure - NOT! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FYI, from the BMW list: If you visit the web site in the msg you've been reading, claiming that Deal's Gap has been closed to motorcycles, you'll see the following: Prankly Speaking .... YOU'VE BEEN HAD! APRIL FOOL The PhanTom has struck again. With the help of Norm Hustad and Jack Sides we hope you have enjoyed this April Fool prank in an effort to bring a smile to your face on this April the First. Now don't get mad, get even. Post a message to the WOTI list expressing indignation and disgust at Government intervention into our private lives. Add a little spice to the prank and see how far it goes. Sometime after 12 o'clock noon Pacific time we will be posting a message to the WOTI list advising that it was all just an April Fool's prank. Don't go spoiling it for others and letting the WOTI list know it is just a prank. I couldn't post the prank as you would have recognized it right away by my signature. Do I get the 1998 WOTI BAFPA (Best April Fool's Prank Award) ? If so it is a shared award this year with Norm and Jack. Regards, PhanTom in Beautiful British Columbia Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:49:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16583; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23709; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11564 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:48:40 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA03819 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:48:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199804011648.AA03819@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:48:59 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:48:59 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:48:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:47:14 -0500 Subject: Re: deal's gap closure To: gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <352260BD.D88B9E9A@geocities.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME I seriously doubt this is real...no govt weenie is going to call bikes "crotch rockets" or "rice burners".. -aki > It must be an April Fools joke!!! Some of the BMW's are quick, but if a > Beemer can pull 12 minutes, any properly set up CBR (6 or 9), GSXR, or > several others, with the right rider should be able to do every bit as > much if not better. > (just kidding guys.. don't beat up on me) > Never been to the stretch, but seen a few pics... average speed of 60 is > the best that's been pulled??? How is this stretch compared to 211 and > 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, what??) > Last time I ran 211 I was poking along waiting for some other fellas, > but I checked the speedo at 65 in several curves.. much higher in the > brief straights... > > If this is a true report, it really sucks... No reason that they can't > ban motorcycles though.. they do similar things for other classes of > vehicles. And since it's all m/c not just sport bikes, they will have > a much stronger position in court...I'm betting that if those two groups > get a lawsuit going, they'll manage to get a temporary injunction on the > ban.. that'll give me a chance to go see it :) > > Collin > (looking for his nomex suit to dodge george, harry, and all the other > beemer riders :)) > > George Howell wrote: > > > >Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as > > >"The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past > > >few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a > > >1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 > > >deaths in the past two years. > > -- > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:55:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16706; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:55:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24099; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:54:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11728 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:53:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA15250; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA25772; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980401165319.BZMM18677@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:53:19 -0600 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:52 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: deal's gap closure X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980401165319.BZMM18677@[166.41.242.141]> The closure is a hoax. As for the stretch of road that is Deal's Gap, Kirk comes close to describing it. I've run it about 4 times and found it very exhausting. Ok, I'm pushing a monster through the corners, but really it is very challenging. There is never more than 75 feet of straight anywhere allong the 11mile stretch. Constant, narrow cornering with plenty of mogular bumpity bump activity thrown in just to make your ass cheeks suck up some more underwear =:0 A Lot of fun Collin and all. Gotta get down there. Todd >Never been to the stretch, but seen a few pics... average speed of 60 >is the best that's been pulled??? How is this stretch compared to 211 >and 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, >what??) Last time I ran 211 I was poking along waiting for some other >fellas, but I checked the speedo at 65 in several curves.. much higher >in the brief straights... I've never been to Deals Gap either but I've been to plenty of similar spots. Deals Gap sounds like an extended version of the short stretch of tight twisties on US250 (which parallels US33, just to the south). 33 would probably be considered medium sweepers and 211 has pretty wide open sweepers comparatively. Sweepers don't go down in my book as being tight (also, sweepers happen to be the type of corner I'm the worst at, probably because of the sheer speeds you're able to attain and the lack of on street practice I've given them because of this). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:58:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16736; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24278; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known [205.215.54.51] [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11917 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA27131 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:58:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3522718A.DAA94AD7@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:55:38 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: deal's gap closure References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The URL was wrong. Here it is http://www.dallas.net/~jsides/dealsgap.html Leon. tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Decided to e-mail the TN governor and the guy from Texas Wingz since the > URL doesn't exist on his web page - > ---------- > From: George Howell[SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 10:07 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: deal's gap closure > > picked this up on the wings list. Somebody better check this out. BTW, it > was sent 4/1/1998, so who knows if it's real. > > -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:59:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16833; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:59:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24334; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12029 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA27195; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:00:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3522720B.CA680635@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:57:47 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan, Michael" CC: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Re: Leon Begeman's web page References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Michael, 1000 miles is a long distance to go in 24 hours on any number of wheels. With some planning and practice (and luck and money), things that appear to be impossible are not necessarily so. Leon. Jordan, Michael wrote: > > For those of you who haven't seen this: > > http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider > > Made the trip into work worthwhile just to see this today. > > Thanks, Leon > > Michael (firmly put in his place for actually using a motorcycle to do > his SS1K) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 12:59:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18418; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25834; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (known sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15126 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA09629 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca007.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.78]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA12284 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA007 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:57:50 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B4A@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: This could be fun ... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:57:34 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Anybody have any experience with this product? It is supposed to measure 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, etc. Check out ---> http://www.gtechpro.com/ Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 13:13:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18740; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26486; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.40]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15795 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1RWLa14967 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:11:14 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: <44f7a2f2.35228344@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:11:14 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re:Mounting Party Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Hey, just wondering if this is still going on with the storms and all that are on the way. If so, can someone send me directions to leon's again. I would just like to meet some people from the list. Sean Ride Free CBR600F2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 13:34:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19317; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26860; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16658 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A7F22D40262; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 13:31:14 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980401133045.00fa2960@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 13:30:45 -0500 To: "'DC-Cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Leon Begeman's web page In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I want to see the Iron Butt tag installed on the moped! Chris Norloff ******************************************************** At 06:27 AM 4/1/98 -0800, Jordan, Michael wrote: >For those of you who haven't seen this: > >http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider > >Made the trip into work worthwhile just to see this today. > >Thanks, Leon > >Michael (firmly put in his place for actually using a motorcycle to do >his SS1K) J. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 13:53:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19798; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27192; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:52:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17528 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD5D74.9DB5AA80@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:46:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'jay goddard'" , "'Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: deal's gap closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:46:45 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Last I heard it was the TZ that was holding the record. My .02 -Tom >-----Original Message----- >From: jay goddard [SMTP:goddardj@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 11:16 AM >To: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) >Cc: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: deal's gap closure > >I have ridden the gap 10 times and and maybe shifted into 3rd once per run. >It takes me about 17 min to do the run. It is hard to do it with out >getting a car in front of you. Last time I was down there (September) the >record was held by a local boy on a newish TZ250 and they blocked off the >road for him. > >Jay >ZX9R > >Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > >> It must be an April Fools joke!!! Some of the BMW's are quick, but if a >> Beemer can pull 12 minutes, any properly set up CBR (6 or 9), GSXR, or >> several others, with the right rider should be able to do every bit as >> much if not better. >> (just kidding guys.. don't beat up on me) >> Never been to the stretch, but seen a few pics... average speed of 60 is >> the best that's been pulled??? How is this stretch compared to 211 and >> 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, what??) >> Last time I ran 211 I was poking along waiting for some other fellas, >> but I checked the speedo at 65 in several curves.. much higher in the >> brief straights... >> >> If this is a true report, it really sucks... No reason that they can't >> ban motorcycles though.. they do similar things for other classes of >> vehicles. And since it's all m/c not just sport bikes, they will have >> a much stronger position in court...I'm betting that if those two groups >> get a lawsuit going, they'll manage to get a temporary injunction on the >> ban.. that'll give me a chance to go see it :) >> >> Collin >> (looking for his nomex suit to dodge george, harry, and all the other >> beemer riders :)) >> >> George Howell wrote: >> >> > >Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as >> > >"The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past >> > >few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a >> > >1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 >> > >deaths in the past two years. >> >> -- >> _________________________________________ >> Collin and Penny Fagan >> LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard >> (202) 366-0067 (work) >> (703) 356-4279 (home) >> ICQ UIN: 435732 >> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >> (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 14:04:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19956; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27567; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:02:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17837 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA23445 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:55:07 -0800 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:01:37 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:02:47 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: hgg@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Top Speed... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline "Yer awful purty, boy . . ." >>> "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." - 3/31/98 11:40 PM >>> At 11:11 PM 3/31/98 -0500, George Howell wrote: >What did the officer say when he verified your speed? I have to say that when I was riding my ZX-11, my biggest fear was not crashing or dying, but of being arrested and locked in a prison in West Virginia wearing a white leather suit. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 14:30:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20448; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:30:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28149; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:28:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from NORCOM2.NORCOM.NET (known norcom2.norcom.net [207.238.14.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18642 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:28:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by norcom2.norcom.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:32:35 -0500 Message-ID: <816B10A8C89FD011AE0700A0C92C8CFF112B2E@norcom2.norcom.net> From: Oswald Maseda To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Is there a News Group for this mail list? Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:32:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 14:55:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21012; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28383; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:54:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19760 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA23764 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:46:25 -0800 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:53:03 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:53:59 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, merscht@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: RE: deal's gap closure -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline THIS JUST IN: >Winnebago Industries of Iowa's President John K. Hanson advised Winnebago >motor home drivers are the safest drivers on the roads due mostly >to the superior engineering that goes into their production coupled >with the fact that most Winnebago drivers are over the age of 60. >He feels if the ban is to remain there should be some allowance given >to drivers of Winnebago >motor homes. Hanson, founder of Winnebago Industries who was a camper at one time, >was known for his research and development of the safest queen bed-equipped vehicles in the world. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 15:08:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21548; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28624; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20501 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id PAA19393; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:05:03 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570BE6@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'JOE NAGY'" , hgg@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Top Speed... -Reply Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:05:49 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain "yur gunna do some prayin' fur me, boy & you better pray REAL GOOD." > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 2:03 PM > To: hgg@XXXXXX; ghowell@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Top Speed... -Reply > > "Yer awful purty, boy . . ." > > >>> "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." - 3/31/98 11:40 PM > >>> > At 11:11 PM 3/31/98 -0500, George Howell wrote: > >What did the officer say when he verified your speed? > > I have to say that when I was riding my ZX-11, my biggest fear was > not > crashing or dying, but of being arrested and locked in a prison in > West > Virginia wearing a white leather suit. > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 15:25:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22035; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28791; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21281 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Wed Apr 1 14:24 CST 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id OAA18811 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:24:18 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5D82.330A8120@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:24:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Deal's Gap Closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:24:01 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I won't post the article from the Gold Wing riders' list because someone else probably will, but I thought everyone should be aware that RT. 129 will be closed to ALL motorcyclist's. I found the comments about Rice burners and the like to be quite offensive. Had the Police officer been quoted saying such things about a specific racial group, there would be hell to pay. I think he should have hell to pay and we should give it to him. I have not had the opportunity to ride the "Dragon" but, to close a public road that I pay taxes for is IMO unconstitutional. Thanks for letting me vent. Anyone who wants a copy of the e-mailed article let me know. Closure date is listed as April 30, 1998. (Hopefully this isn't some sort of sick April fool's joke) Later . . . John Carver '98 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 16:52:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23891; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29843; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24669 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28757; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from leon-at-home (cust018.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.18]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA03679 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:53:34 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980401214636.0066ebc0@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 16:46:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Mounting Party I'm home, it looks like the tire changing will happen. Leon. At 16:38 1-04-98 EST, Sean wrote: >Im running late.. but Im leaving now. I live in annapolis, so Im anticipating >a 1hr long ride... maybe more with traffic. I'll see you all in a few. > >Sean >Ride Free >CBR600F2 > > Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 16:57:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23982; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00133; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:56:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24874 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:56:32 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA20496 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:57:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199804012157.AA20496@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:57:07 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:57:07 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:57:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:54:31 -0500 Subject: Bike Blown Up by Police.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Ok..has the Horkster gone and left one of his bikes lying around again? ;-) -aki ************************************************************ *** Prince Charles security scare claims motorcycle Police Wednesday blew up a suspect motorcycle outside a venue in central London where Prince Charles, Britain's heir to the throne, had been due to attend a function. Police said they carried out a controlled explosion outside Marlborough House, headquarters of the Commonwealth, after evacuating the area. The building is opposite Charles's residence in St. James's Palace. Police said the motorcyle had looked suspicious and police were unable to trace the license plate. When they examined it later, however, they found no explosives. Charles, 49, arrived more than an hour late and joked about the delay. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2553574909-ed2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 16:59:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23997; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00234; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:58:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24962 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09533; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:58:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3522E37E.6266@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 17:01:50 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Dillon Subject: WHOA! No more Deals Gap! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, Dr. John (the day-tripper) posted this to the CAMS list. Man what bad news! >From the North Carolina Robbinsville Tribune END OF AN ERA Tennessee Govenor Don Sundquist (D) and North Carolina Governor James B. Hunt Jr.(D) made a joint announcement this date advising the State highway Route 129 known as Deal's Gap will be closed to all motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. Reading from a report by Tennesse's Transportation Commissioner J. Bruce Saltsman Sr. and North Carolina's Department of Transport secretary Garland B. Garrett Jr. indicating there has been too many motorcycle accidents with resulting serious injury and death on an eleven mile strip of Highway 129 known as Deal's Gap, the two state legislators have agreed to closing that section of roadway to all motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as "The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a 1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 deaths in the past two years. The American Motorcycle Association (AMA) an association that lobbies the government on laws pertaining to motorcyclists was contacted and stated that they were aware that the two State governments were thinking of taking some action to curb the loss of life along this stretch of highway but the AMA had not been consulted on any remedies they may wish to suggest. A spokesperson for the AMA stated not all motorcycle drivers are running this roadway dangerously and pointed out the statistics indicate there had not been one large touring type motorcycle involved in a serious accident in the past ten years. AMA stated it is considering petitioning the Federal Government to have the ban lifted as being unconstitutional. North Carolina's Graham County Sheriff Noel T. Baker, stationed at Robbinsville NC who has received some notoriety for ticketing motorcyclists in the area in an attempt to slow them down stated; "It is about time someone in the government took some action to reduce the carnage by motorcyclists on this highway". BAKER had been the target of a boycott by the BMW Association of America who's members are particularly prone to run this road to see who can do the eleven miles in the shortest period of time. BAKER, who's unmarked police cruiser ran off the road on one of the particularly sharp curves while pursuing a motorcyclist stated "I'm sick and tired of having to replace police cars running off this road in pursuit of motorcycles." Deal's Gap at the south end starts at a campground in North Carolina named "The Crossroads of Time" (COT) The roadway soon enters the state of Tennessee and continues north for approximately 11 miles just skirting the southern boundry of the Great Smoky Mountain National Park. Peter Johansen owner of the COT campsite where a private club known as the Dragons Den is located stated, "Last summer Sheriff BAKER cancelled the beer licence of the BMWA's annual picnic on the hottest day of the year. I sure had some hot and unhappy motorcyclists on my campground. Luckily I had just put in a big stock of my own beer and I gave it to the boys, at no charge of course". In answer to opposing this closure by ABATE, volunteer lobbyist, Rodney Roberts, on the grounds that it is discrimination, Governor Sundquist stated "If you think the State Governments can not close a roadway to a specified class of vehicles you only have to look at Tanglewood County Park where motorcycles have been banned for the past 35 years. If County Governments can restrict some roads to a certain classes of vehicles while banning other classes certainly the State Governments are also justified in doing so". Another example is the closing by the Federal Government of Yosemite National Park along with some other National Parks to all motor vehicles in the year 2000. Honda of America's President Koichi Amemiya advised Gold Wing motorcyclists are the safest motorcyclists on the roads due mostly to the superior engineering that goes into their production coupled with the fact that most Gold Wing drivers are over the age of 40. He feels if the ban is to remain there should be some allowance given to drivers of Gold Wing motorcycles. Amemiya stated Soichiro Honda, founder of the Honda Motor Corporation who was a racer at one time, was known for his research and development of the safest touring machines in the world. Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists (CVCOM) president has stated they will ignore the ban en masse and ride the Dragon on Sunday, May 5 with intentions of starting a class action suite claiming the American right to 'freedom to travel where ever they please'. The Kawasaki Concours Group have stated they will be joining in with the CVCOM to help support their action. BMW Owners of Georgia, a motorcycle club of over 200 members have taken a collection to help pay for any lawyers fees. Tennessee Tourist Development Commissioner John A Wade was quoted as saying "It will be hard on the tourist trade in the area which looks forward to hosting so many motorcyclists that visit here but we have contingincy plans to re-route any motorcyclists to the Great Smokey Mountain roadways where there are plenty of other good roads for motorcyclists to enjoy". John Bruce Saltsman Sr. Tennessee's Commissioner of transportation said there were plans on the book to re-construct that portion of Deal's Gap to a controlled access multi-laned highway but that construction was not slated until 2001. Wayne Shakelford, North Carolina's Transportation commissioner stated " We have been considering straightening out a few of the more dangerous curves along this stretch of highway but because of the mountainous topography the costs are prohibitive at this time". Governor Sundquist who himself is a motorcyclist stated "Unfortunately we are forced to ban all motorcycles and not just the crotch rockets and rice burners that are causing all the trouble". -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 17:13:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24202; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00609; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:11:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25402 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5D91.0CF7F620@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:10:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , , , , , Subject: FW: Check the validity of your Unix System ... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:10:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 12 TEXT Don't know if you all have UNIX or not.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi All, Some versions of UNIX have been found unable to process pseudo-complex mathematical notations. Try this command on your UNIX prompt to check the validity of your system. echo '82 43/25 43+65P80P82P73P76P32P70P79P79P76P10P' | dc From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 17:15:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24230; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:15:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00657; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25484 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5D91.5BAA7220@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:12:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: Deal's Gap Closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:12:30 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 17 TEXT Been out for the afternoon - you all been busy today. Here from WingZ in TX. He sent me the correct URL and so has Leon. Haven't heard from the governor - might get arrested for sending it to him to begin with. If he has any sense of humor, he'll just chuckle and send me some generic bogus e-mail. Tracy Tracy Horstman UNIX System Admin Lockheed Martin Mission Systems 9255 Wellington Road Manassas, VA 20110 Phone: (703) 367-2981 Fax: (703) 367-1392 E-mail: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 17:25:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24427; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00775; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25681 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:23:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1QDa020221 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:23:02 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <18bb7972.3522be48@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:23:02 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fame? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Cyber Cycle magazine wrote about me. Woo-hoo. Is this fame or what? http://www.cybercyclemag.com/leatherex.html Colleen ps: We still have a room for rent. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 18:53:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26265; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01325; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:52:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28438 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:52:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-219-198.pitb.grid.net [207.205.219.198]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA17897; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:51:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980401185343.006a66c4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 18:53:43 -0500 To: sbeck@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Deal's Gap Cc: gixer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <852565D9.00589048.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Regarding Deal's Gap, At 11:20 AM 4/1/98 -0400, sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: >>How is this stretch compared to 211 and >>33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, what??) > >Everything is much tighter, narrower and shorter. The corners are much >tighter. The street is much narrower. And the straights are much shorter. >It would be easy to come down with a case of motion sickness riding this >road. Steve put it well. I have a few photos of it on http://www.greenspun.com/harry/asheville.htm . I rarely got out of second gear and took many turns in first. This was riding hard without any traffic. By my second run, unlike Steve, though, I was ready to puke, so I pulled over and took more pictures. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 19:19:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26931; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01498; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29853 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-219-198.pitb.grid.net [207.205.219.198]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA23803 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:18:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980401191937.006a933c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 19:19:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: More bad news for speeders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Driving back from Baltimore this afternoon, I saw a guy pulled over by a trooper in an unmarked blue Monte Carlo!! He was just pulling back into traffic moments after turning his flashing lights off, when an unsuspecting motorist blew by him and found himself parked on the opposite shoulder. You know, just when I could spot a Caprice or Crown Vic from any angle, day or night, they go and do something like this. What's next, '72 Pintos? Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 00:14:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00994; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04310; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06005 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:13:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:12:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: deal's gap closure Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 00:14:03 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "jay goddard" , "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I have ridden the gap 10 times and and maybe shifted into 3rd once per run. >It takes me about 17 min to do the run. It is hard to do it with out >getting a car in front of you. Last time I was down there (September) the >record was held by a local boy on a newish TZ250 and they blocked off the >road for him. See, it's that big, heavy ZX9. You need a nice, svelte R1100RT to get down to 12 minutes. That plus fifty of NC's finest behind you:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 00:14:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00997; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:14:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04315; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06009 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:12:03 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: deal's gap closure Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 00:14:06 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Decided to e-mail the TN governor and the guy from Texas Wingz since the >URL doesn't exist on his web page - will keep you up to date if I hear >anything - probably just April Fools i figured (prayed) it was April Fools when I read it. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 00:14:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01003; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04307; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:13:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06000 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:11:57 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHOA! No more Deals Gap! Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 00:13:59 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "John C. Kozyn" , "dc-cycles" cc: "Dillon" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Dr. John (the day-tripper) posted this to the CAMS list. Man what bad >news! My, how fast news travels on the Internet. Everyone realizes, of course, that the subject of the 'Deal's Gap Closing' will circulate certain NGs and mailing lists for as long as reports of the Good Times Virus. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 00:35:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01265; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04733; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:34:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06361 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:34:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA28407; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:34:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35234E84.7182@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:38:28 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: WHOA! No more Deals Gap! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > My, how fast news travels on the Internet. Everyone realizes, of course, > that the subject of the 'Deal's Gap Closing' will circulate certain NGs > and mailing lists for as long as reports of the Good Times Virus. Being taken in by this (quite clever) prank along with several others, I think the subject's death will happily be far shorter. The very idea of GTV was germane to all NGs and listservs, erroneous as it may have been. Deals Gap is only germane to motorcyclists. Hope this helps. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 00:48:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01319; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04814; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:47:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06530 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02045; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from leon-at-home (cust010.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.10]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA17604 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:50:02 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980402054305.0067bc7c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:43:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Tire changing party The tire changing party was a mixed success. Roy (CBR600) got one of the two tires he brought changed. Jay (FZR) was 0 for 2, but he did manage to get both his bike and the tires here (of course he forgot to send the tires home, so I've still got them). Sean (CBR 600) got both tires changed but when we put the front tire back on there was a spacer missing (see final paragraph). Todd (ST1100), Linda (CBR600) and Louis (Concours) came by to insure there was at least some adult supervision, but left when the weather threatened to make us all wet. The whole Horkster clan stopped by, Dale (Concours) with the newest bike in the group and Tracy (Big Chrysler) with the official DC cycles to Deal's Gap chase cage. Ursulina came with Collin in his truck. Her job was to insure sure we could name all the parts we were handling and to quiz us on various aspects of the design and use thereof. And now for the solution to the missing spacer. . . after giving it some thought, (and after I've got the CBR600 safely stashed away in my garage) I suspect that it never existed in the first place. If we were to take the spacer from the left side, install it on the right, then slide the axle further to the right, the shoulder on the axle would make contact with the wheel bearing and allow both ends of the axle to be flush with the outside edges of the forks, then the nut wouldn't pull the right fork into the brake disk. With the spacer on the right side where the axle has no shoulder, it will keep the wheel centered and everything will work just fine. What say Collin or any CBR600 owner? Is this possible? Is there only a spacer on the right side of the front wheel on the CBR600? Were the 5 of us really dumb enough to make such a silly mistake? Stay tuned for more adventures . . . Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 07:14:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04290; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06842; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10901 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from krosenba.erols.com (207-172-73-71.s8.as2.man.erols.com [207.172.73.71]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA11238 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:13:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980402070637.007cc400@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: krosenba@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 07:06:37 -0500 To: "DC Cycles" From: Karl Rosenbaum Subject: Re: deal's gap closure In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:14 AM 04/02/1998 -0500, George Howell wrote: >>I have ridden the gap 10 times and and maybe shifted into 3rd once per run. >>It takes me about 17 min to do the run. It is hard to do it with out >>getting a car in front of you. Last time I was down there (September) the >>record was held by a local boy on a newish TZ250 and they blocked off the >>road for him. > >See, it's that big, heavy ZX9. You need a nice, svelte R1100RT to get >down to 12 minutes. That plus fifty of NC's finest behind you:) George, Believe it or not, the BMW that was referred to was a R1100GS! I was real surprised at how that bike handles until I rode one about 3 weeks ago. Karl Rosenbaum 94 BMW K1100 LT-A Woodbridge, VA http://www.erols.com/krosenba From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 07:17:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04312; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06860; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:16:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10931 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from krosenba.erols.com (207-172-73-71.s8.as2.man.erols.com [207.172.73.71]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA11821 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:16:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980402070858.007cf320@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: krosenba@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 07:08:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Karl Rosenbaum Subject: Re: Herndon Police Poker Run In-Reply-To: <199803251919.AA00143@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <19980325144419.UAWX27632@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:17 PM 03/25/1998 -0500, aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > Herndon Police Poker Run for '98 Announced > The Herndon Police Department is holding their annual poker run on June 6th. > Registration will be from 8:30am to 11am. Included in the registration fee of > $15 are lunch, beverages, one door prize, and a poker hand. It looks likely > that Lone Star Steakhouse will be on hand again for fixing up great burgers, > but if they don't come then the Tortilla Factory will provide the meal. The > last bike will return by 3pm. Trophies will be awarded to the highest hands > in the three catagories of rider, co-rider, and biggest club. Proceeds from > the event will be split between the Hospice of Northern Virginia and the > Fraternal Order of Police. Got this note a few weeks ago, and have been meaning to ask if the start location was at the PD in Herndon. I have not gone to it in the past. Karl Rosenbaum 94 BMW K1100 LT-A Woodbridge, VA http://www.erols.com/krosenba From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 08:39:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05146; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07330; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:38:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11989 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 08:30:11 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 08:38:21 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tire Mounting Party Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline The good news is my tires are mounted, the bad news is I had to leave the bike at Leon's. This will be too brief since I have to run, but I would like to thank Leon for his know-how, the use of his tools and garage and his willingness to host the tire mounting party. I am also thankful to all the other people who helped me wrestle with the bike -- Jay, Collin, Sean P., Todd, Linda and Roy, who was also changing tires on his F3. Ursulina, Leon, Jay and Collin also helped look for the front wheel spacer late into the night after we had eaten a pizza and thought the bike was done. Despite their above and beyond effort, we didn't find it and the bike had to stay where it was. Collin and Ursulina delivered me home to D.C. Even with my losing the spacer, I had a great time. Met a bunch more people from the list. Got to see Leon's famous moped and John Deere Kawasaki. Saw Dale's new Concours. And I learned a lot about what to do and what not to do in changing my tires. Sean Sullivan '95 F3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 08:41:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05156; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:41:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07377; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:40:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (known m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12031 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA23411 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:30:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:30:43 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: Downsizing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII sucks... and I'm now jobless. I became a statistic today, one of 10 persons who had their jobs eliminated by a company who feels they are spending to mmuch on customer support. Oh, the products we sold/supported were for the hospitality industry BTW - how ironic. Anyone know of any computer jobs for an untrained, uneducated, motorcyclist? I'll even shave my beard and cut my hair - with considerations to wearing a suit. sigh Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 85 XT250 (street/dirt) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) 83 CB1100f RIP - 86 VF500f RIP- next? www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 08:43:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05171; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:43:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07398; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:42:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12055 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from erols.com (207-172-143-143.s16.as2.hgt.erols.com [207.172.143.143]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04258; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:42:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35239650.75C8EE01@erols.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 08:44:48 -0500 From: Darren Reply-To: dsecars@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More bad news for speeders References: <3.0.1.32.19980401191937.006a933c@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > Driving back from Baltimore this afternoon, I saw a guy pulled over by a > trooper in an unmarked blue Monte Carlo!! He was just pulling back into > traffic moments after turning his flashing lights off, when an unsuspecting > motorist blew by him and found himself parked on the opposite shoulder. > You know, just when I could spot a Caprice or Crown Vic from any angle, > day or night, they go and do something like this. What's next, '72 Pintos? > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > "The more you live, the less you die." Start to watch out now for all the cars like Taurus, Monte carlo, llumina and the like b/c of GM's d/c of the large car rwd platform the PD's will be forced to buy the next smaller car.And there are lots of choices. Here in WV the state has a Ford Expedition. Darren From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 08:44:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05181; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07402; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12076 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA14728 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:42:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv1-19.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.51) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma014713; Thu Apr 2 07:42:13 1998 Message-ID: <35231FFA.6F54@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 21:19:54 -0800 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Day off, going riding Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Short notice, but I took the day off and am headed out. Will be making a run up to Chambersburg to Gettysburg, then down to Frederick. Short notice but ill check email at 0900 if anyone wants to meet somewhere, otherwise Enjoy!! hehe;) -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:02:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05475; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07604; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:01:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net (known zip1.ziplink.net [206.15.168.18]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12614 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA14075; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:02:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:02:56 -0500 (EST) From: Julie and/or Mark Holm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: "Mark S. Holm" Subject: What happened with Herndon Cycle Sports. In-Reply-To: <199804020000.TAA01373@tove.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm sure you folks are wondering what happened with Herndon Cycle Sports and my bike. I wanted to let you know, but have been busy. I sent the letter that I quoted in this maillist and received a response about a week later (last Thursday.) My husband, unfortunately, has the letter in his office so I cannot tell you word for word what it says. I'll get it and scan it into my computer this weekend and post in on the list then (after all the list may be shorter this weekend, given the expected weather.) Essentially, they said that they could not accept responsibility; that their mechanic had many years of experience, and that my speculations about the possible cause of the problem were coming from amateur mechanics. Nonetheless as a customer service gesture, they offered to pay for the repairs to the bike. We picked it up for no charge on Friday. They did not offer to pay for the windshield, which I had already ordered and paid for. It is in, and Mark (my husband) feels strongly that they should pay for it, so at this point we're in sort of a holding pattern. The head mechanic suggested that we talk to the owner personally, but he evidently keeps regular business hours, and as I work in the district, my ability to get out there to talk to him at that time is essentially nonexistant. Mark may go out an talk to him (he works in Reston) but has not yet. The bike is in fine mechanical shape right now and the brakes work fine. HCS could find nothing wrong with them. My feelings are, that whatever may have happened, we didn't dream this scenario up; that there was something wrong with the brakes when we rode out of the parking lot almost 3 weeks ago, and that this caused my husband's accident. My husband has been riding for 25 years, never had a fall on the street before (he had one as a young man on dirt) and that as he fell at 5MPH in a parking lot, where there was no hazard, nothing on the road, clearly indicates that there was a mechanical problem. Anyway, that is what happened. For us, neither completely satisfactory nor completely unsatisfactory. I suspect we will cancel the windshield and buy it elsewhere. But I'm sure that pressure on HCS from DC-Cycles is unwarranted, as they did repaire the bike for free, and I am certain that their denial of responsibility is something they have to do to protect themselves (after all, if they admitted responsibility, we might be after them in a lawsuit, waving their letter! They don't know that we don't wish to do that.) Anyway I do want to point out that the manager of the service department was really good with us. He dealt with us well when we were a little angry, and in a tough situation and remained friendly and very nice. It could have been really nasty, but did not, and I place the credit for this on him. This attitude is not specific to this incident, either, one of the reasons that I patronize this place is John and his predecessor, Deane, who have always treated me well when I came in. As has their parts guy. They remember my name, they remember that I am a VOC member and give me my discount and have always approached me as a real motorcyclist, which may sound strange, but other places tend to not treat women the same way. I am disappointed about this incident, but wanted to give a touch of credit where it is due. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:04:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05520; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:04:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07632; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:03:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12675 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA06045; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:03:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:02:35 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570BF6@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Meters Replaced...Correctly... Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:03:24 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Wow, the DC public works must've gotten busy lately! The meters at 17th & M are replaced, too, but with the correct time allotment of 12-hours and 1 hour for each quarter. There's a bonus, though...the meters now accept not only quarters but dimes & nickels too. The meters are really new, they're electric or computerized or something, they're actually pretty cool looking. Ugh. I can't believe I just said that. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:10:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05586; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:10:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07667; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:09:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12874 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA07515; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:09:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:08:17 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570BF7@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'MotorLE'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fame? Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:09:04 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Congrats!! That's awesome. I can contest to the quality of her gear... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: MotorLE [SMTP:MotorLE@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 5:23 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Fame? > > Cyber Cycle magazine wrote about me. Woo-hoo. Is this fame or what? > > http://www.cybercyclemag.com/leatherex.html > > Colleen > > ps: We still have a room for rent. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:19:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05722; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07758; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13036 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:18:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 246; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:17:21 -0500 Message-ID: <35239E2C.1415E001@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:18:20 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karl Rosenbaum CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Herndon Police Poker Run References: <19980325144419.UAWX27632@[166.41.242.141]> <3.0.5.32.19980402070858.007cf320@pop.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karl Rosenbaum wrote: > > Got this note a few weeks ago, and have been meaning to ask if the start > location was at the PD in Herndon. I have not gone to it in the past. > -- I went last year, with some riders from work. Yes, it starts at the Police Department in Herndon. Easy to get to. Lots of fun, it was my first group ride, they were pretty well organized. I think I'll be pulling kid duty that day, won't be able to make it to this one. Shucks! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours (300 miles and counting) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:21:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05730; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07793; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13083 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id AE738BA0488; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:19:31 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980402092145.00f92a60@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:21:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Meters Replaced...Correctly... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570BF6@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:03 AM 4/2/98 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Wow, the DC public works must've gotten busy lately! >The meters at 17th & M are replaced, too, but with the correct time >allotment of 12-hours and 1 hour for each quarter. Oh, you innocent young thing ... that's the work of contractors, not a government! :-) Looks like my days of free motorcycle parking are soon to be over. I'm already feeling some of that -- with the warm weather, the free slots often fill up before I get there. In fact, I got a ticket the other day because I had to park in a regular pay slot and walked off without feeding the meter ... I haven't fed a meter since last Fall! Oh the horror of it all. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:22:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05740; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:22:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07806; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13095 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:21:14 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565DA.004F2DB6 ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:24:50 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: holm@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565DA.004EB1F4.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:24:47 -0400 Subject: Re: What happened with Herndon Cycle Sports. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Nonetheless as a customer service gesture, they offered to pay for the repairs to the bike. We picked it up for no charge on Friday. All in all I would say you got better treatment than you would have at many other dealers. I would have expected them to deny, deny, deny and charge you for the repairs no matter what. I'm glad to hear that they were willing to compromise with you. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:23:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05748; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:23:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07821; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13116 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:22:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA10889; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:22:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:20:53 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570BFA@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Julie and/or Mark Holm'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: "Mark S. Holm" Subject: RE: What happened with Herndon Cycle Sports. Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:21:40 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I'm glad things turned out semi-well. How's Mark healing? - Jeannette [lots of snipping] > Essentially, they said that they could not accept responsibility; that > their mechanic had many years of experience, and that my speculations > about the possible cause of the problem were coming from amateur > mechanics. > > Nonetheless as a customer service gesture, they offered to pay for the > repairs to the bike. We picked it up for no charge on Friday. > > They did not offer to pay for the windshield, which I had already > ordered > and paid for. It is in, and Mark (my husband) feels strongly that > they > should pay for it, so at this point we're in sort of a holding > pattern. > The head mechanic suggested that we talk to the owner personally, but > he > evidently keeps regular business hours, and as I work in the district, > my > ability to get out there to talk to him at that time is essentially > nonexistant. Mark may go out an talk to him (he works in Reston) but > has > not yet. > > > My feelings are, that whatever may have happened, we didn't dream this > scenario up; that there was something wrong with the brakes when we > rode > out of the parking lot almost 3 weeks ago, and that this caused my > husband's accident. My husband has been riding for 25 years, never > had a > fall on the street before (he had one as a young man on dirt) and that > as > he fell at 5MPH in a parking lot, where there was no hazard, nothing > on > the road, clearly indicates that there was a mechanical problem. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:35:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05913; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:35:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08119; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:34:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net (known zip1.ziplink.net [206.15.168.18]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13438 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:34:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA15788; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:35:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:35:12 -0500 (EST) From: Julie and/or Mark Holm To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Mark S. Holm" Subject: RE: What happened with Herndon Cycle Sports. In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570BFA@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > I'm glad things turned out semi-well. > How's Mark healing? > Slowly but surely. He'll be off the streets until May, so I suspect I'll miss weekend rides; can't just go off riding and leave him alone! Still in a lot of pain, unfortunately. Julie From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:39:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05959; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:39:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08228; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13572 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5E1A.CF5ED060@XXXXXX>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:36:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Meters Replaced...Correctly... Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:36:26 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 21 TEXT Another fine product from Lockheed Martin.... ---------- ^From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 9:03 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Meters Replaced...Correctly... Wow, the DC public works must've gotten busy lately! The meters at 17th & M are replaced, too, but with the correct time allotment of 12-hours and 1 hour for each quarter. There's a bonus, though...the meters now accept not only quarters but dimes & nickels too. The meters are really new, they're electric or computerized or something, they're actually pretty cool looking. Ugh. I can't believe I just said that. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:46:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06021; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08378; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13733 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04825; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA02221; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA01743; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:44:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980402144431.FUPZ32491@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:44:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:43 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire changing party X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980402144431.FUPZ32491@[166.41.242.141]> Leon wrote: >And now for the solution to the missing spacer. . . after giving it some >thought, (and after I've got the CBR600 safely stashed away in my garage) I >suspect that it never existed in the first place. If we were to take the >spacer from the left side, install it on the right, then slide the axle >further to the right, the shoulder on the axle would make contact with the >wheel bearing and allow both ends of the axle to be flush with the outside >edges of the forks, then the nut wouldn't pull the right fork into the brake >disk. With the spacer on the right side where the axle has no shoulder, it >will keep the wheel centered and everything will work just fine. What say >Collin or any CBR600 owner? Is this possible? Is there only a spacer on >the right side of the front wheel on the CBR600? Were the 5 of us really >dumb enough to make such a silly mistake? Stay tuned for more adventures . . . I just went downstairs to the garage to check Lindas set up. From the front of the bike (facing the rear), there is about 1/2" space between the fork and wheel on the left side and about 1/4" on the right side. It *appears* that the axle makes up the space on the right side (facing to the rear, or shifter side), and that there is just one spacer on the left. Coleman opens at 10am. Give the parts guy a call and have him describe the front end assembly. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:50:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06048; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08546; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known lds96.com [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13797 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD5E1B.D1E9CB90@XXXXXX>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:43:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'dsecars@XXXXXX'" , "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: More bad news for speeders Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:43:39 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And here in VA the Troopers use the big luxo Jeeps, Camaros, and a couple of Mustang Cobras... nice to see my tax money being spent on hot rods for the state. Maryland also uses Dodge mini-vans as well as dump trucks with radar guns mounted to them.... they get you with the truck and pull you over down the road... It's getting serious out there! -Tom '86 VFR750F Interceptor >-----Original Message----- >From: Darren [SMTP:dsecars@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 8:45 AM >To: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: More bad news for speeders > > > >Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > >> Driving back from Baltimore this afternoon, I saw a guy pulled over by a >> trooper in an unmarked blue Monte Carlo!! He was just pulling back into >> traffic moments after turning his flashing lights off, when an unsuspecting >> motorist blew by him and found himself parked on the opposite shoulder. >> You know, just when I could spot a Caprice or Crown Vic from any angle, >> day or night, they go and do something like this. What's next, '72 Pintos? >> >> Harry >> Bethesda, MD >> '97 BMW R1100RT >> http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm >> "The more you live, the less you die." > >Start to watch out now for all the cars like Taurus, Monte carlo, llumina and >the like b/c of GM's d/c of the large car rwd platform the PD's will be >forced >to buy the next smaller car.And there are lots of choices. Here in WV the >state has a Ford Expedition. > >Darren > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:58:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06123; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08773; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:57:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14023 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA18994; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:56:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA02610; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:56:33 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA02598; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:56:28 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5E04.7157EDF0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:56:21 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Meters Replaced...Correctly... Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:51:37 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 23 TEXT Cool! I'm thinking about riding into work tomorrow. Wish me luck!! Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 6:03 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Meters Replaced...Correctly... > >Wow, the DC public works must've gotten busy lately! >The meters at 17th & M are replaced, too, but with the correct time >allotment of 12-hours and 1 hour for each quarter. There's a bonus, >though...the meters now accept not only quarters but dimes & nickels >too. >The meters are really new, they're electric or computerized or >something, they're actually pretty cool looking. >Ugh. I can't believe I just said that. > >- Jeannette > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 10:05:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06428; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09014; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14423 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA12406; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA21420; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980402150339.JKYT18677@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:03:39 -0600 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 10:02 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Julie and/or Mark Holm CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Mark S. Holm" Subject: Re: What happened with Herndon Cycle Sports. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980402150339.JKYT18677@[166.41.242.141]> >Anyway, that is what happened. For us, neither completely satisfactory >nor completely unsatisfactory. > >I suspect we will cancel the windshield and buy it elsewhere. But I'm >sure that pressure on HCS from DC-Cycles is unwarranted, as they did >repaire the bike for free, and I am certain that their denial of ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Are you saying they refunded the original charge to fix your bike? If not, then they simply completed the second time around what they should have completed the first time around. > >Anyway I do want to point out that the manager of the service department >was really good with us. He dealt with us well when we were a little >angry, and in a tough situation and remained friendly and very nice. It >could have been really nasty, but did not, and I place the credit for this >on him. This attitude is not specific to this incident, either, one of >the reasons that I patronize this place is John and his predecessor, >Deane, who have always treated me well when I came in. As has their parts >guy. They remember my name, they remember that I am a VOC member and give >me my discount and have always approached me as a real motorcyclist, which >may sound strange, but other places tend to not treat women the same way. > >I am disappointed about this incident, but wanted to give a touch of >credit where it is due. I'm all for credit where credit is due, and that's fine. However, given that your husband was injured so badly due to what seems to be negligence on that shops part, I suggest you start searching for another shop. A good relationship with your mechanic/parts person/salesperson is just one aspect of the total dealership experience. But if they're the nicest most attentive people you've ever met, and they still can't do their job, that can not be of any service to you. Money talks. Good luck. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 10:11:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06558; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09228; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net (known zip1.ziplink.net [206.15.168.18]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14886 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:10:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA17788; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:11:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:11:12 -0500 (EST) From: Julie and/or Mark Holm To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Mark S. Holm" Subject: Re: What happened with Herndon Cycle Sports. In-Reply-To: <19980402150339.JKYT18677@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > > Are you saying they refunded the original charge to fix your bike? > If not, then they simply completed the second time around what they > should have completed the first time around. > No. They did the repairs from the accident for free. > I'm all for credit where credit is due, and that's fine. However, > given that your husband was injured so badly due to what seems to be > negligence on that shops part, I suggest you start searching for another > shop. A good relationship with your mechanic/parts person/salesperson > is just one aspect of the total dealership experience. But if they're > the nicest most attentive people you've ever met, and they still can't > do their job, that can not be of any service to you. We agree and that is the plan. Nonetheless, I wanted to point out these things. It is also true that as a result of this experience I at least have had some decrease in self-confidence on the bike. Plan to do some parking lot work this Sunday if possible to get myself comfortable again. Julie From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 10:11:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06571; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09240; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:10:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14902 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA19311; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:09:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA08782; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:09:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980402150940.JNTN18677@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:09:40 -0600 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 10:08 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Meters Replaced...Correctly... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980402150940.JNTN18677@[166.41.242.141]> Chris Norloff wrote: >Looks like my days of free motorcycle parking are soon to be over. I'm >already feeling some of that -- with the warm weather, the free slots often >fill up before I get there. In fact, I got a ticket the other day because >I had to park in a regular pay slot and walked off without feeding the >meter ... I haven't fed a meter since last Fall! I remember that! When I worked downtown in the cooler months, there was ample free parking for motorcycles. As the days grow warmer, all the fairweathers start parking were I was sure I could. One remedy that usually worked was to just come in earlier, but that sucks. What really bummed me was that, not finding a free spot, sometimes I couldn't even find a payfor spot close by. Had to park four blocks away and pay $2.50 for the day! ouch! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 10:18:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06843; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09490; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15374 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA19934; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA25406; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980402151717.JRAZ18677@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:17:17 -0600 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 10:16 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Tom Zell CC: "'dsecars@XXXXXX'" , "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: More bad news for speeders X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980402151717.JRAZ18677@[166.41.242.141]> Tom Zell wrote: >And here in VA the Troopers use the big luxo Jeeps, Camaros, and a >couple of Mustang Cobras... nice to see my tax money being spent on hot >rods for the state. > >Maryland also uses Dodge mini-vans as well as dump trucks with radar >guns mounted to them.... they get you with the truck and pull you over >down the road... It's getting serious out there! It's like a snake feeding on itself. Except the state is the mouth and we are the tail. They gotta be more like revenuers to pay for all those expensive cars you know. ---rant on Now if the police are hiding in the bushes (driving unmarked cars) and pop out to ticket you, are they enforcing the law or just collecting their states due? If the fucking state cared that you slow down they would order their officers to become highly visible in traffic. That'd work don't you think? But it ain't about enforcing ridiculous speed laws. It's about lining the states budget. ---rant off Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 10:42:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07267; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:42:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09797; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:41:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16307 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:41:07 -0500 (EST) X-ROUTED: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:42:54 -0500 Received: from WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL [160.151.107.198] by dclink.com with smtp id AKCKCKFL ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:42:44 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: More bad news for speeders Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:46:16 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd5e4e$793ad240$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Dump trucks! Are you sure? Jay -----Original Message----- >From: zell@XXXXXX To: Jaynik Date: Thursday, April 02, 1998 10:08 AM Subject: RE: More bad news for speeders > >And here in VA the Troopers use the big luxo Jeeps, Camaros, and a >couple of Mustang Cobras... nice to see my tax money being spent on hot >rods for the state. > >Maryland also uses Dodge mini-vans as well as dump trucks with radar >guns mounted to them.... they get you with the truck and pull you over >down the road... It's getting serious out there! > >-Tom >'86 VFR750F Interceptor > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Darren [SMTP:dsecars@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 8:45 AM >>To: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. >>Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: Re: More bad news for speeders >> >> >> >>Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: >> >>> Driving back from Baltimore this afternoon, I saw a guy pulled over by a >>> trooper in an unmarked blue Monte Carlo!! He was just pulling back into >>> traffic moments after turning his flashing lights off, when an unsuspecting >>> motorist blew by him and found himself parked on the opposite shoulder. >>> You know, just when I could spot a Caprice or Crown Vic from any angle, >>> day or night, they go and do something like this. What's next, '72 Pintos? >>> >>> Harry >>> Bethesda, MD >>> '97 BMW R1100RT >>> http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm >>> "The more you live, the less you die." >> >>Start to watch out now for all the cars like Taurus, Monte carlo, llumina and >>the like b/c of GM's d/c of the large car rwd platform the PD's will be >>forced >>to buy the next smaller car.And there are lots of choices. Here in WV the >>state has a Ford Expedition. >> >>Darren >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 10:48:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07366; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09862; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:47:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16489 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:46:56 -0500 (EST) X-ROUTED: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:48:42 -0500 Received: from WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL [160.151.107.198] by dclink.com with smtp id AKDABHDC ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:48:24 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Party Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:51:56 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd5e4f$43534580$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sean and the rest who showed up: I was pleased to have the opportunity to help anyone else with their bike probs. I don't know much, but I sure can get my hands dirty trying to help. I'd also like to openly thank Leon for his hospitality, and everyone else who was there for being such an incredibly friendly group. Thanks Sean for the pizza. That really helped fuel the late night spacer hunt! It was a great time and a very educational experience for me! BTW, I still have mine to go! When's the next party??????? Jay -----Original Message----- >From: SUPERFND@XXXXXX To: Jaynik Date: Thursday, April 02, 1998 9:40 AM Subject: Tire Mounting Party > > The good news is my tires are mounted, the bad news is >I had to leave the bike at Leon's. > This will be too brief since I have to run, but I would >like to thank Leon for his know-how, the use of his >tools and garage and his willingness to host the tire >mounting party. I am also thankful to all the other people >who helped me wrestle with the bike -- Jay, Collin, Sean >P., Todd, Linda and Roy, who was also changing tires on >his F3. Ursulina, Leon, Jay and Collin also helped look >for the front wheel spacer late into the night after we had >eaten a pizza and thought the bike was done. Despite their >above and beyond effort, we didn't find it and the bike >had to stay where it was. Collin and Ursulina delivered >me home to D.C. > Even with my losing the spacer, I had a great time. Met >a bunch more people from the list. Got to see Leon's >famous moped and John Deere Kawasaki. Saw Dale's new >Concours. And I learned a lot about what to do and what >not to do in changing my tires. > Sean Sullivan > '95 F3 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 10:57:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07652; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09998; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:56:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17042 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:56:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 243; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:55:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3523B531.18B57285@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 10:56:33 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Meters Replaced...Correctly... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > > Cool! I'm thinking about riding into work tomorrow. Wish me luck!! > You go girl! Have fun! :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours (oh yeah!) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD (going...going... ) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 (gonna go, too) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 10:58:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07664; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:58:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10002; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17068 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:57:29 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA27937 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:58:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199804021558.AA27937@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:58:04 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:58:04 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:58:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:57:08 -0500 Subject: RE: Re: Herndon Police Poker Run To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, krosenba@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_0_MIME_Boundary_5000.3523b58a.wtprod2.cgin.us-md.citicorp.com" ------ =_0_MIME_Boundary_5000.3523b58a.wtprod2.cgin.us-md.citicorp.com Good question, I *believe* the last poker run that HPD held started at the Police station, however I don't remember. If you want (or I can) give them a call and verify. Cheers, -aki -----Original Message----- From: krosenba(a)erols.com Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 7:16 AM To: dc-cycles(a)cs.umd.edu Subject: Re: Herndon Police Poker Run At 02:17 PM 03/25/1998 -0500, aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > Herndon Police Poker Run for '98 Announced > The Herndon Police Department is holding their annual poker run on June 6th. > Registration will be from 8:30am to 11am. Included in the registration fee of > $15 are lunch, beverages, one door prize, and a poker hand. It looks likely > that Lone Star Steakhouse will be on hand again for fixing up great burgers, > but if they don't come then the Tortilla Factory will provide the meal. The > last bike will return by 3pm. Trophies will be awarded to the highest hands > in the three catagories of rider, co-rider, and biggest club. Proceeds from > the event will be split between the Hospice of Northern Virginia and the > Fraternal Order of Police. Got this note a few weeks ago, and have been meaning to ask if the start location was at the PD in Herndon. I have not gone to it in the past. Karl Rosenbaum 94 BMW K1100 LT-A Woodbridge, VA http://www.erols.com/krosenba << File: UnXhrds.txt >> ------ =_0_MIME_Boundary_5000.3523b58a.wtprod2.cgin.us-md.citicorp.com Content-Type: application/x-mapi; name="WINMAIL.DAT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="WINMAIL.DAT" eJ8+IoKpAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5N aWNyb3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEgAEAIQAAAFJFOiBSZTogSGVy bmRvbiBQb2xpY2UgUG9rZXIgUnVuAMIKAQWAAwAOAAAAzgcEAAIACgAvAAUABAAdAQEAgAAA NgAAAAQANgAKABwAQWtpIERhbW1lAE9QRU5NQUlMOkFraSBEYW1tZSAvMDJVU1dBUwAAAAAA AAAAAGULASCAAwAOAAAAzgcEAAIACgAuAAIABAAZAQEJgAEAIQAAADhBRUQ4MTQzMTRDQUQx MTFCNENENDQ0NTUzNTQwMDAwAPEGAQOQBgAAAwAAIAAAAAsAAgABAAAACwAjAAAAAAADACYA AAAAAAsAKQAAAAAAAwAuAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQDg116WTl69AR4AQgABAAAACgAAAEFr aSBEYW1tZQAAAEAASADAUQ6XTl69AR4AcAABAAAAIQAAAFJFOiBSZTogSGVybmRvbiBQb2xp Y2UgUG9rZXIgUnVuAAAAAAIBcQABAAAAFgAAAAG9Xk6WAUOB7YzKFBHRtM1ERVNUAAAAAB4A GgwBAAAACgAAAEFraSBEYW1tZQAAAAIBHQwBAAAAHAAAAE9QRU5NQUlMOkFLSSBEQU1NRSAv MDJVU1dBUwAeAB4MAQAAAAkAAABPUEVOTUFJTAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABMAAABBa2kgRGFtbWUg LzAyVVNXQVMAAB4AQhABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAADAIAQ/////0AABzAgg4VwTl69AUAACDAgg4Vw Tl69AQsAAIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAOFAAAAAAAAAwACgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAA AEYAAAAAEIUAAAAAAAADAAWACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAABShQAAdBAAAB4AJYAIIAYA AAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFSFAAABAAAABQAAADguMDIAAAAAAwAmgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAA AEYAAAAAAYUAAAAAAAALAC+ACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAOhQAAAAAAAAMAMIAIIAYA AAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABGFAAAAAAAAAwAygAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAGIUAAAAA AAAeAEGACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA2hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgBCgAggBgAAAAAA wAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAN4UAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4AQ4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADiF AAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABSRTogAAAAAAMADTT9NwAALGE= ------ =_0_MIME_Boundary_5000.3523b58a.wtprod2.cgin.us-md.citicorp.com-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 11:36:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08628; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:36:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10550; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:35:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18725 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:35:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06582; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA10752; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:35:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3523BE18.6B1AD7DC@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:34:32 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire changing party References: <19980402144431.FUPZ32491@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Umm... I thought about that last night too, and tried it.... No go...the spacing was still off and allowed the bracke disk to snug up to the fork tube :( > Leon wrote: > If we were to take the > >spacer from the left side, install it on the right, then slide the axle > >further to the right, the shoulder on the axle would make contact with the > >wheel bearing and allow both ends of the axle to be flush with the outside > >edges of the forks, then the nut wouldn't pull the right fork into the brake > >disk. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 11:39:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08731; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:39:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10601; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18954 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06641; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12281; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:38:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3523BEBE.84350419@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:37:18 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire changing party References: <19980402144431.FUPZ32491@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or.. do any of you honda riders have a shop manual or a parts fische.. that should give an exploded view of the assembly > Coleman opens at 10am. Give the parts guy a call and have him describe > the front end assembly. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 12:01:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09180; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11201; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:00:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19855 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:00:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from lds96.lds96.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06994; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD5E2E.1B6CE5B0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:54:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , "'Todd Peer'" Cc: "'Leon Begeman'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Tire changing party Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:54:34 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a 900RR manual that I can check later this evening... I believe that it's the same setup. -Tom >-----Original Message----- >From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 11:37 AM >To: Todd Peer >Cc: Leon Begeman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Tire changing party > >Or.. do any of you honda riders have a shop manual or a parts fische.. that >should >give an exploded view of the assembly > >> Coleman opens at 10am. Give the parts guy a call and have him describe >> the front end assembly. >> > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 12:06:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09263; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11320; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known [205.215.54.51] [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20021 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA01158; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:07:26 -0500 Message-ID: <3523C503.FDC0514F@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:04:03 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jay , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Party References: <01bd5e4f$43534580$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jay, Make a suggestion. If someone else wants to host it, I can bring your tires there. Leon. > It was a great time and a very educational experience for me! BTW, I still > have mine to go! When's the next party??????? > > Jay From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 12:38:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10128; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:38:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11883; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:37:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21502 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA11119 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by mscex.MSC.USCG.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5E34.22FEDBC0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:37:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: non moto: FW: Kids' Names to Mars - website Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:37:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is kinda neat for the folks with kids... or for you big kids that want your name on Mars :) Collin T. Fagan LTjg, USCG Staff Engineer USCG Marine Safety Center >---------- >From: Burrows, Mark CDR >Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 1:44 PM >To: MSC-UNIT >Subject: FW: Kids' Names to Mars - website > > > >Here's a good deal for your school age kids: > >Subject: FW: Kids' Names to Mars - website > >> NASA JPL is collecting >> a million school age kids names from around the world to go on a cd >> rom which will go on the Mars Polar Lander. Here's where to log on: >> http://spacekids.hq.nasa.gov/mars/ >> You can get a nice certificate to give to your kids after they enter their >>name. There's over 300,000 names already, so it wont be long before it's >>all filled up. - Mark B. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 12:42:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10191; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11987; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21661 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:41:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id ADB327E0244; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:41:07 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980402124152.00fcf380@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:41:52 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: More bad news for speeders In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:43 AM 4/2/98 -0500, Tom Zell wrote: >And here in VA the Troopers use the big luxo Jeeps, Camaros, and a >couple of Mustang Cobras... nice to see my tax money being spent on hot >rods for the state. I bet they're confiscated drug trafficker vehicles. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 12:46:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10225; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12028; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (known mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21797 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16291; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:45:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3523CE73.31917111@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:44:19 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: Jay , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Party References: <01bd5e4f$43534580$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> <3523C503.FDC0514F@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well.. Seeing as how I still need to mount the 207s to my racebike next week, I could host a maintenance party at my house. I don't have the big garage like Leon, but there is plenty of driveway space and limited space in my shed... I have plenty of tools (except tire irons). If we want, we could make it a spring maintenance party... oil changes, chain tightening, etc. Order out a couple of pies and we'd be set....Any takers?? ANy day/time is good for me except Tuesday (gotta meet the Japanese gov't reps that day.... they seem to think I'm a big wig or something, and I've pissed em off.....ha ha) Collin Leon Begeman wrote: > Jay, > Make a suggestion. If someone else wants to host it, I can bring your > tires there. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 13:23:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11062; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12499; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23077 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id NAA06502; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:21:02 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C22@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , Leon Begeman Cc: Jay , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Tire Mounting Party Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:21:51 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hey, I'm in! I'd love to learn maintenance for my bike. Any night's probably good for me, I don't have school next week (thank goddess)... I'll even bring a pie or something else fattening as hell, as long as I don't have to cook it! ; ) - Jeannette > If we want, we could make it a spring maintenance party... oil > changes, chain > tightening, etc. > Order out a couple of pies and we'd be set....Any takers?? > ANy day/time is good for me except Tuesday (gotta meet the Japanese > gov't reps > that day.... they seem to think I'm a big wig or something, and I've > pissed em > off.....ha ha) > Collin > > Leon Begeman wrote: > > > Jay, > > Make a suggestion. If someone else wants to host it, I can bring > your > > tires there. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 13:25:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11141; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12553; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:25:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23303 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:25:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804021825.NAA23303@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id 2D23BYDL; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:34:19 -0500 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 13:24:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: New Rear Tire In-Reply-To: <199803271515.AA27303@egate2.citicorp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm having a new rear tire put on my bike tomorrow morning. I've read lots about "being careful" and "scrubbing" a new tire. Can anyone tell me specifically what I should be doing? Will just riding conservatively for a while do the trick? (not that I'm a lunatic on the bike anyway!) Thanks! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 13:27:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11191; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12562; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23386 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:27:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804021827.NAA23386@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id 2D23BYDP; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:36:18 -0500 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 13:26:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: It's Thursday already! In-Reply-To: <199803271515.AA27303@egate2.citicorp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone doing any riding this weekend? USA Today says the forecast is for partly cloudy and mid-50's both days. Might have to put the liner back in my jacket, though! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 13:55:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11688; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12877; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24183 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:53:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA12748 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:53:46 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:53:46 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: New Rear Tire Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:56:25 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 21 TEXT >I'm having a new rear tire put on my bike tomorrow morning. I've read lots >about "being careful" and "scrubbing" a new tire. Can anyone tell me >specifically what I should be doing? Basically, it's the process of being careful until a new tire has worn (or scrubbed) the smoothness and mold release agents off. >Will just riding conservatively for a while do the trick? Pretty much - you just need to be aware of what's happening. Do your turning a little slower than usual (less lean) and progressively reach your normal speed. A nice ride this weekend would probably do the trick. If you're basically riding conservatively, you shouldn't have any problems. The process becomes more and more critical the closer one gets to Collin's riding style. The average Harley rider may not ever notice... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 14:27:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12141; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13402; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24949 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:26:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 52 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:25:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3523E66B.B9FBB58F@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 14:26:35 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: too much safety? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone see the new ads for Saab's "Active Head Restraint" system? >From what I can determine, the seat's headrest is basically set up to punch you in the back of the head in the case of a rear end collision. This to supposed to prevent whiplash? I think I'd be nervous knowing that there is a boxing glove primed and aimed at the base of my skull, ready to go off at any time. I know I've knocked new technology in the past, and then turned around and bought a new bike, but I can guarantee everyone here I won't be rushing out to buy a Saab anytime soon. :-) Regards, -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 14:39:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12405; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:39:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13724; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:38:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25453 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 183; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:37:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3523E91C.DD9F4B46@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 14:38:04 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Party References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C22@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Hey, I'm in! I'd love to learn maintenance for my bike. Any night's > probably good for me, I don't have school next week (thank goddess)... > Anyone want to hazard a guess as to which goddess Jeannette worships? :-) Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 14:43:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12466; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:43:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13760; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25552 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA02270 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA04938 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:40:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980402194048.IXPX32491@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:40:48 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: New Rear Tire Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:40:43 -0500 Message-ID: <002501bd5e6f$39aa8820$3b5420a6@LJTanner.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal As an FYI, I had Fast Lanes mount some tires for me in 96. It was very cold outside and they told me repeatedly not to do any fancy maneuvering until the tires were scrubbed in and I nodded and smiled. Leaving their parking lot, I swear I did nothing funny, but the back wheel slipped, skidded and generally scared me sh*tless when I shifted in second (at a conservative rpm). How ironic, I thought at the time, to loose it right in front of the shop. Since then, I've tried to be very careful for the first 100 miles or so after new tires are mounted. YMMV LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- >From: Jordan, Michael [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 1:56 PM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: New Rear Tire If you're basically riding conservatively, you shouldn't have any problems. The process becomes more and more critical the closer one gets to Collin's riding style. The average Harley rider may not ever notice... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 15:03:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12759; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14052; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from red.uspis.gov (known red-internet.uspis.gov [206.205.134.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26021 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA04192; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:10:19 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'Anita Lauro'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: New Rear Tire Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:03:09 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Loan Collin your bike for the weekend. It will be well broke in by Monday morning. Curtis >-----Original Message----- >From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:2xracers@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 1:25 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: New Rear Tire > >I'm having a new rear tire put on my bike tomorrow morning. I've read >lots >about "being careful" and "scrubbing" a new tire. Can anyone tell me >specifically what I should be doing? Will just riding conservatively >for a >while do the trick? (not that I'm a lunatic on the bike anyway!) > >Thanks! >Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 15:09:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12848; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14107; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:08:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26156 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 214 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:07:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3523F030.B5578075@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:08:16 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Old vs New, revisited References: <3523E8B5.860A67D7@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys, remember this post? Yeah, I'm eating some crow now, but it doesn't taste too bad! :-) Once upon a time the Horkster, a hypocrite extraordinaire, wrote: > > HORKSTER'S TOP 10 LIST OF USELESS NEW BIKE TECHNOLOGY > > 1. Liquid Cooling - one more component to break down, gotta flush it > every year Yep, I did have to top off the Concours' overflow tank already: Stand on head, remove two screws and plastic cover, remove cap, wedge bottle of distilled water in place, pour carefully. This Ninja engine runs *HOT*! Lots of heat pumped out onto the rider's lower legs. Might be nice in the winter, but it will might be a drag in the warmer months... FWIW, the temp gauge has only ever gone up to halfway when I was putzing around in town, but there's a big fire going on under all that plastic. > 2. Electric start without a kickstart backup system. - batteries do > die, you know. I don't know if I can even bump start the Connie, I sort of tried it once at speed. Didn't see anything mentioned in the manual. Darn. > 3. Liquid Crystal Display guages - cheap, fog prone, don't display in > cold weather I've got one LCD clock, so far so good, can't really count that. All the other gauges are the way nature intended! :-) > 4. Electronic Fuel Injection - what's the point? Nope, got me old-fashioned Carbs on the Connie! It's never gonna sit for long, so hopefully I'll never ever have to clean them. :-) > 5. Air Adjustable shocks - more containers on the bike that don't > hold air Got myself there. Air adjustable rear shock. I hope it holds up. > 6. Hydraulic Clutches - no feel, can't adjust, another master > cyclinder on the handlebar. Well, the clutch is hydraulic, but the lever is adjustable, so I sort of stand corrected. It's not too bad. > 7. Anti Lock Brakes - let me stop the bike, please. The only ABS on my bike is the plastic. D'oh! > 8. Plastic Fairings - aerodynamic? not with cracks in them... Let's just hope I never do any major fairing busting! :-) > 8. Fuel Guages - not typically accurate, from what I've heard. I do > better with tripmeters. Best of all worlds here, I've got a fuel gauge that registers 'E' right before reserve kicks in, and I've got not one, but TWO trip- meters on the Connie! Now I can use one to track mileage on a tankfull and still be able to reset the other one for Poker Runs and group rides with the map sheets. Heh! I like it! :-) > 9. On-board computer chips - Don't these run off the battery? All the time? I think I'm safe here, only thing running off the battery is the clock. > 10. This isn't new technology, but what's with the lack of 4-way > emergency flashers on a lot of new bikes nowadays? My 78 Kawasaki > had them, they are a useful, practical, inexpensive safety device. > > Why isn't this standard equipment like turn signals? No gripes here, got the 4-ways on the Concours. So what's the score? My bike has 6 of the 11 "faults" mentioned above (yes, 11, I had two #8's! :-), but it's not quite as bad as I feared. The Concours is a way different bike than what I'm used to, but I think it will be way more versatile and easy to live with. So far, I'm pleased. Regards, -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 15:10:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12862; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14126; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26180 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:09:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA28530 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:01:55 -0800 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:08:22 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:09:42 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX Subject: too much safety? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Actually, Saab's system is designed to move mostly up and only slightly forward, catching the head to keep it more in line with the torso. It's a mechanical (lever) system, activated by your torso's inertial force puching into the seat back. If you hate that one, wait 'til you get a load of Volvo's system. It's deployed by a pyrotechnic charge, just like the airbags. If it "goes off" it has to be repaired. And nothing like having a 12-gauge aimed at the back of your head. The "primed and aimed boxing glove" analogy is more appropriate for the Volvo. Cars suck (even though I make my living off them), Joe 900 Ninja, Richmond >>> "horkster" - 4/2/98 2:26 PM >>> Anyone see the new ads for Saab's "Active Head Restraint" system? >From what I can determine, the seat's headrest is basically set up to punch you in the back of the head in the case of a rear end collision. This to supposed to prevent whiplash? I think I'd be nervous knowing that there is a boxing glove primed and aimed at the base of my skull, ready to go off at any time. I know I've knocked new technology in the past, and then turned around and bought a new bike, but I can guarantee everyone here I won't be rushing out to buy a Saab anytime soon. :-) Regards, -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 15:36:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13130; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14318; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:34:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26807 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 196; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:33:14 -0500 Message-ID: <3523F646.FA9C7017@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:34:14 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JOE NAGY CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JOE NAGY wrote: (with some snipping) > >...load...ovloV...pyrotechnic charge..."goes off"...repaired... ...12-gauge...your head..."primed and aimed"...ovloV...Cars suck Why doesn't this surprise me from the ovloV's? :-) Actually I was reading somewhere about Saab claiming that it's emissions control on it's cars were so effective, it actually cleaned the air in some parts of Europe as you drove around!!! I'm not sure if they were joking or not. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 15:41:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13220; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:41:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14370; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26940 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 286; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:38:39 -0500 Message-ID: <3523F78B.76431097@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:39:39 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Battletrax: autocross style motorcycle racing? References: <3523BE77.83A32F26@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > > PS. I have the remains of 4 twelve packs of soda and a few dollars > left over from last night to contribute to the party next month. So that's an RSVP? Ok, you're in. A few dollars might even get you a beer or two. :-) > > Dale lives right next to Kaplan Ct. which is a dead end road. That > would be a nice place to set something up. We would of course have to > keep the speed down there and have spotters when we ride. You guys can do whatever you want, but those streets always seem to have lots of cars parked on them. Might not give us enough breathing room. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 15:57:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13511; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14613; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:55:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.40]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27316 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:55:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1XGDa14951 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:54:52 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <53f86d11.3523fb1e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:54:52 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: too much safety? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 gosh, just wear your helmet when driving this car and you'll be fine. >I can guarantee >everyone here I won't be rushing out to buy a Saab anytime >soon. :-) speaking of safety, I have never seen so much exposed leg as I have this past week or so. It seems like the worse the bike is being ridden, the more likely it is that there will be a barely dressed passenger on the back. Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 16:14:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13761; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14858; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:13:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27704 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:13:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA29054 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:05:53 -0800 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 16:12:27 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 16:13:50 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Yeah if GM wanted to be a good global citizen, they'd send a few thousand Saabs down to Mexico City or over to the former eastern bloc cities to clean 'em up. --Joe >>> "horkster" - 4/2/98 3:34 PM >>> JOE NAGY wrote: (with some snipping) > >...load...ovloV...pyrotechnic charge..."goes off"...repaired... ...12-gauge...your head..."primed and aimed"...ovloV...Cars suck Why doesn't this surprise me from the ovloV's? :-) Actually I was reading somewhere about Saab claiming that it's emissions control on it's cars were so effective, it actually cleaned the air in some parts of Europe as you drove around!!! I'm not sure if they were joking or not. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 16:30:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13926; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14984; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:29:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (known mail1.geocities.com [209.1.224.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28122 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04578 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:29:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <352402E2.7A659127@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 16:28:02 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: too much safety? References: <53f86d11.3523fb1e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Once again I'm torn..... Like any true red blooded american male chauvanist pig :) I love to see exposed flesh.....the more the merrier But being a biker and knowing what the consequences of a crash look like, I really feel for some of those passengers. I'm fairly positive that most of them have never considered what could happen... they blindly trust some squid punk they are in "love" with.... CT > speaking of safety, I have never seen so much exposed leg as I have this past > week or so. It seems like the worse the bike is being ridden, the more likely > it is that there will be a barely dressed passenger on the back. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 16:49:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14427; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:49:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15524; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known lds97.com [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29093 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:47:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD5E56.481C8930@XXXXXX>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:42:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'MotorLE'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: too much safety? Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:42:09 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The guy (the one that Jeannette posted about yesterday)that I was racing ( the squid coming out in me ) had a pillion on the back that was wearing a very short pair of shorts and a t-shirt. If he had crashed or she had fallen off she would have had nothing left of her body. She looked scared as hell, too. -Tom '86 VFR750F >-----Original Message----- >From: MotorLE [SMTP:MotorLE@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 3:55 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: too much safety? > > >gosh, just wear your helmet when driving this car and you'll be fine. > >>I can guarantee >>everyone here I won't be rushing out to buy a Saab anytime >>soon. :-) > >speaking of safety, I have never seen so much exposed leg as I have this past >week or so. It seems like the worse the bike is being ridden, the more likely >it is that there will be a barely dressed passenger on the back. > >Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 17:06:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14730; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16600; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:04:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29521 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id RAA01425; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:04:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:03:25 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C30@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: too much safety? Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:04:14 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I may have been guilty of that in my past, but since I've been riding (myself), I've taken a whole different view! I must say, though, I've never ridden in shorts, always at least jeans. Now it's always leather. I may be a feminist, but we women can be stupid when we're in love... ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 4:28 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: too much safety? > > Once again I'm torn..... Like any true red blooded american male > chauvanist pig > :) I love to see exposed flesh.....the more the merrier > > But being a biker and knowing what the consequences of a crash look > like, I > really feel for some of those passengers. I'm fairly positive that > most of them > have never considered what could happen... they blindly trust some > squid punk > they are in "love" with.... > CT > > > speaking of safety, I have never seen so much exposed leg as I have > this past > > week or so. It seems like the worse the bike is being ridden, the > more likely > > it is that there will be a barely dressed passenger on the back. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 17:19:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14989; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:19:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17570; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29961 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:17:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1FWCa10380 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:17:09 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <4070d3f7.35240e67@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:17:09 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: too much safety? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 well, there has been some fine visible male legs too, and some nice gym-pumped bare chestedness (hey, I think I made up a word). Skin is fine, on the beach or in a park. But exposed skin on a bike on the beltway? I have no problem imagining the exposed bones... >Once again I'm torn..... Like any true red blooded american male chauvanist pig >:) I love to see exposed flesh.....the more the merrier From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 17:27:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15108; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:27:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18267; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:25:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00199 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 265 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:24:41 -0500 Message-ID: <35241063.E16F57AD@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 17:25:39 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: squids with pillions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Zell wrote: > > The guy (the one that Jeannette posted about yesterday)that I was racing > ( the squid coming out in me ) had a pillion on the back that was > wearing a very short pair of shorts and a t-shirt. If he had crashed or > she had fallen off she would have had nothing left of her body. She > looked scared as hell, too. I'm not a squid, and I don't play one on tv, but in that instance I think it would have been better to just let the other guy win. For the passenger's sake. Of course, with idiots like that, he'd probably just try to find someone else to race against with the girl on the back. But at least my conscience would be clear. Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 17:44:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15378; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:44:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18851; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:43:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00620 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id RAA19749; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:43:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:41:57 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C32@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'MotorLE'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: too much safety? Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:42:45 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain The funny thing is, the closer you get to the beach, the more squids you see dressed (or un-dressed) unsafely!! I figure my skin's the only one I've got. Save it for the beach, like Colleen said. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: MotorLE [SMTP:MotorLE@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 5:17 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: too much safety? > > well, there has been some fine visible male legs too, and some nice > gym-pumped > bare chestedness (hey, I think I made up a word). Skin is fine, on the > beach > or in a park. But exposed skin on a bike on the beltway? I have no > problem > imagining the exposed bones... > > >Once again I'm torn..... Like any true red blooded american male > chauvanist > pig > >:) I love to see exposed flesh.....the more the merrier From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 18:56:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16931; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21478; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:55:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03011 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:55:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id PAA16646; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:55:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id PAA27205; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:54:43 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id PAA27072; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:54:21 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5E34.E8ACA1E0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:43:17 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'horkster'" , "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Tire Mounting Party Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:38:35 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 24 TEXT Considering that Tom is in the picture now, I would say the goddess of love, Venus. :) XOXO Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: horkster [SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 11:38 AM >To: O'Brien, Jeannette >Cc: dc-cycles >Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Party > >O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >> >> Hey, I'm in! I'd love to learn maintenance for my bike. Any night's >> probably good for me, I don't have school next week (thank goddess)... >> > >Anyone want to hazard a guess as to which goddess Jeannette worships? > >:-) > >Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 20:07:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17689; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24312; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:05:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04343 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:05:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-117.s117.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.117]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA01577 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:05:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35243669.4E5B07F5@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 20:07:53 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Maintenance party Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All righty folks... For anyone that wants to show up, all are welcome to swing by and bench race, do routine maintenance, or just cause trouble in general. Oil changes, tire changin, whatever.. we'll try it. Then we'll order some pizzas or whatever and enjoy the company. So far looks like the interest was for Saturday at noon at my house. I'll make a web page with directions to my house from various directions and post the url in a bit. The weather is supposed to be ho-hum, so it'll be a good day to get all that routine spring stuff out of the way. Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 21:10:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18460; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:10:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25817; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05375 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-117.s117.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.117]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26449 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:09:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35244553.C020A430@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 21:11:31 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maintenance party References: <35243669.4E5B07F5@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the url for directions to my house: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/directions.html Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > I'll make a web page with directions to my house from various directions > and post the url in a bit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 21:10:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18465; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:10:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25824; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:09:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05386 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1AWCa20221 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:08:30 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:08:30 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Party Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Hey... Had fun meeting everyone last night. Just wanted to thank leon for the great hospitality and soda =). Sorry I couldnt stick around for the pizza but I me and the storms had a road race back to annapolis. Glad to see Jay had some headlights when I passed him. Hope everything was all good. I cant get off saturday for the maint. party, but I'll show up sometime somewhere... Let me know if anyone wants to do something between next tue and thurs. those are my days off. woohoo. Talk to you all later. (Oh, and I thought my bike was a bad mama-jama... til... I saw all those f3's that sounded soooo much better than mine. Nice bikes all!) Sean P. Ride Free '93 CBR600F2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 00:32:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21289; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29563; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08725 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 00:30:22 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Meters Replaced...Correctly... Date: Fri, 3 Apr 98 00:32:28 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >The meters are really new, they're electric or computerized or >something, they're actually pretty cool looking. >Ugh. I can't believe I just said that. Where's Cool Hand Luke when you need him? ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 00:32:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21286; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29540; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08705 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 00:30:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: It's Thursday already! Date: Fri, 3 Apr 98 00:32:11 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Anyone doing any riding this weekend? USA Today says the forecast is for >partly cloudy and mid-50's both days. Might have to put the liner back in >my jacket, though! If SWMBO lets me, I'll be riding and wrenching all weekend. (reminds me, I need a 1157 turn signal bulb...) Gotta house sit while my parents are out of town, so I get access to the garage (4 1/2 car with a grease pit) for two days. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 00:32:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21285; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29545; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08709 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 00:30:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. Date: Fri, 3 Apr 98 00:32:15 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "horkster" , "JOE NAGY" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Actually I was reading somewhere about Saab claiming >that it's emissions control on it's cars were so effective, it >actually cleaned the air in some parts of Europe as you drove >around!!! I'm not sure if they were joking or not. Read the same thing about Fords. Has to do with some platinum coating on the radiator or something along those lines. Acts as a big catalyst. In theory. How are you gonna test something like that? Speaking of clean cars, I also read that due to low emissions, people in Sweden are having a great deal of difficulty in commiting suicide by running a hose into the car. Even on a full tank of gas, sometimes the CO levels don't get high enough to become toxic. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 00:32:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21290; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29550; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08713 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 00:30:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New Rear Tire Date: Fri, 3 Apr 98 00:32:17 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I'm having a new rear tire put on my bike tomorrow morning. I've read lots >about "being careful" and "scrubbing" a new tire. Can anyone tell me >specifically what I should be doing? Will just riding conservatively for a >while do the trick? (not that I'm a lunatic on the bike anyway!) That's how I did it a few months ago (February?). Take it easy for 100 miles. Slowly begin making tighter and tighter turns. If you get on slab, do some back and forth weaves. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 00:32:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21302; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29554; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08717 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 00:30:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Party Date: Fri, 3 Apr 98 00:32:22 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Collin T. Fagan" , "Leon Begeman" cc: "Jay" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >If we want, we could make it a spring maintenance party... oil changes, chain >tightening, etc. Some of us kept up on maintenance during the winter:) Sounds good. I might attend to help spin wrenches. The BMW just got the 12000 mile service (at 9,000 miles. The previous owner was a bit overzealous in getting the service done. NOT a bad thing:) so I'm not in need of anything now. What's a chain again? ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 00:32:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21305; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29557; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08721 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 00:30:20 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: More bad news for speeders Date: Fri, 3 Apr 98 00:32:25 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Start to watch out now for all the cars like Taurus, Monte carlo, llumina and >the like b/c of GM's d/c of the large car rwd platform the PD's will be >forced >to buy the next smaller car.And there are lots of choices. Here in WV the >state has a Ford Expedition. i don't think the cops will be moving that much to FWD cars. Not as their mainstay. I suspect Ford will be in the Crown Vic market for a long time. BTW, have seen both Charles Co. and Md. State Police Expeditions as well. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 06:27:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA24249; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:27:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA03769; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA13216 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-117.s117.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.117]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA21025; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:25:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3524C788.C6A46663@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 06:27:04 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > Read the same thing about Fords. Has to do with some platinum coating on > the radiator or something along those lines. Acts as a big catalyst. In > theory. How are you gonna test something like that? I think you mean Anode (cathode? get em mixed sometimes) rather than catalyst... It is very unlikely that platinum would act as a catylyst in most any chemical reaction. It is however used as an electrode due to its terrific wear/corrosion resistance and its very high position on the..errr chemistry memory failing here... the chart that places a lot of metals in referance to each other on how well they will be anodes/cathodes.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 08:07:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25059; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04393; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlalaw.com (known mail.dlalaw.com [207.32.65.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14663 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from DLADC01-Message_Server by dlalaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:10:19 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 09:07:04 -0400 From: Kelli Jareaux To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Help Still looking for a good place to get my bike painted, can anyone make any recommendations? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 08:29:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25233; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:29:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04534; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:27:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14939 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA11268; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:26:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv1-08.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.40) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma011254; Fri Apr 3 07:26:24 1998 Message-ID: <35246385.7C36@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 20:20:21 -0800 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: harley@XXXXXX, xl-list@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: May 9th 2nd Annual Leesburg Police Motorcycle Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heres some advance notice, I know there is a lot going on that weekend. Ill try and copy this down from the flyer, Did it last year, it was cold and wet, but fun nonetheless. Ended up having to buy a pair of chaps at Winch HD, to warm up in partway through the ride, after having left my winter riding suit hanging in the closet ;(. Then it was Hot for the Law Ride the following day. go figure...;) Second Annual Leesburg Police Motorcycle Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics REGISTRATION AND START: 9AM - 11 AM at Ida Lee Recreation Center 50 Ida Lee Drive, N.W., Leesburg, VA 9:30 AM- Police Escort Leaves, Last Bike out at 11:00 AM Last Bike in at 3:00 PM Run Ends at Leesburg Police Department WHEN: Saturday May 9th, 1998 COST: $10.00 per hand (additional hands may be purchased) Includes 1 door prize ticket. (additional door prize tickets may be purchased for $1). Complimentary breakfast and lunch also included. PRIZES: Best Poker Hand- Weekend for two at Landsdowne Resort 2nd Best- 27" Maganavox Stereo TV from Leesburg Wal-Mart 3rd best- Portland VCR from Leesburg K-Mart La Toque Restaurant will be providing a complimentary bikers breakfast of homemade Donuts,Sausages,Green peppers, onions. Hog Wild Ribs will be providing a complimentary lunch of Barbecue Chicken, etc Door Prizes: $100.00 Gift Certificate-Winchesther Harley-Davidson $50.00 Gift Cert-Whitt's Harley Davidson $25.00 Gift Cert-Applebees $25.00 Gift Cert-Ruby Tuesdays $25.00 Gift Cert-Tractor Supply ????? $35.00 Gift Cert- Outback Steak house $20.00 Gift Cert-Don Pablos $50.00 Gift Cert-Del Rio Mexican Restaurant $30.00 Gift Cert-Johnsons Charcoal Beef House $100.00 Gift Cert-Banner Glass Dinner for 2- Green Tree Restaurant Lunch for 2- Colonial Inn Service Star 2 Cycle Weed Eater-J.T. Hirst Co. Lawn/Garden Battery or $40.00 Gift certificate-Battery Warehouse 2 Art Prints-Dick Kramer Studios 2 Free Oil Changes/Tire Rotations-Midas Muffler 1 Free Oil Change/Front End alignment-Catoctin Automotive -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 08:29:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25232; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:29:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04530; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14936 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA11270; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:26:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv1-08.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.40) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma011257; Fri Apr 3 07:26:31 1998 Message-ID: <35246396.B3C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 20:20:38 -0800 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Kelli Jareaux Subject: Re: Help References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kelli Jareaux wrote: > > Still looking for a good place to get my bike painted, can anyone > make any recommendations? Kelli, Not sure what your looking for if its just general body work painting , There have been several suggestions on the list which should crop up, Ive repeatedly heard about an Auto body shop in Falls Church I believe in which one of the guys does good work. Im sure someone will pop up with that info. If your looking for High Quality Art work, Fine line painting, murals etc for the bike, I wholeheartedly reccomend Weeze at Scooter Trash in Martinsburg WV. Very talented young lady. their number is 304-264-0267. Ivs seen some work she has done painting murals on dressers and helmet work and its just spectacular. She always keeps a portfolio at the shop if you would be interested. I am not sure who they send the stuff out to for the base coats and clear coats though. you could always call and ask. -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 09:14:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25639; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04845; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:12:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known lds97.com [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15727 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD5EDF.D7E46770@XXXXXX>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:06:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)'" , "'George Howell'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: too much safety? Not really on topic. Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:06:51 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, platinum is used in catalytic converters on cars and some motorcycles.... I'm not sure of why though...err what does it do to the exhaust... except maybe act as an additional furnace to burn off gases. Any comments? -Tom >-----Original Message----- >From: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 6:27 AM >To: George Howell >Cc: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. > >George Howell wrote: > >> Read the same thing about Fords. Has to do with some platinum coating on >> the radiator or something along those lines. Acts as a big catalyst. In >> theory. How are you gonna test something like that? > > >I think you mean Anode (cathode? get em mixed sometimes) rather than >catalyst... >It is very unlikely that platinum would act as a catylyst in most any >chemical reaction. It is however used as an electrode due to its >terrific wear/corrosion resistance and its very high position on >the..errr chemistry memory failing here... the chart that places a lot >of metals in referance to each other on how well they will be >anodes/cathodes.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 09:35:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25885; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05645; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16213 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:33:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA25628; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA32310; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:33:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980403143324.BIAN493@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:33:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 09:30 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980403143324.BIAN493@[166.41.242.141]> Collin Fagen Wrote: > It is however used as an electrode due to its >terrific wear/corrosion resistance and its very high position on >the..errr chemistry memory failing here... the chart that places a lot >of metals in referance to each other on how well they will be >anodes/cathodes.... Periodic Table. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 09:44:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26074; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:44:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05797; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (known mail4.geocities.com [209.1.224.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16504 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA09907; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:40:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3524F4A6.360EE336@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 09:39:35 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. References: <19980403143324.BIAN493@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope.. Just came up with the answer.. Galvanic table!!! Yipee, I'm still a nerd.. he he he The platinum in the cat converter acts as an anode and grades the polarized ions in the exhaust and they plate off onto the platinum in the cat converter. Very similar to the way a battery works.. ions flake off the cathode and deposit on the anode Todd Peer wrote: > Collin Fagen Wrote: > the chart that places a lot > >of metals in referance to each other on how well they will be > >anodes/cathodes.... > > Periodic Table. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 10:07:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26862; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:07:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06232; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17663 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:05:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA20745; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:04:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:03:39 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C3F@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , Todd Peer Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: too much safety? Not really on topic. Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:04:28 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Did anyone hear the rocket go over my head? Us English grad students will never understand. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 9:40 AM > To: Todd Peer > Cc: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. > > Nope.. Just came up with the answer.. > > Galvanic table!!! Yipee, I'm still a nerd.. he he he > > The platinum in the cat converter acts as an anode and grades the > polarized > ions in the exhaust and they plate off onto the platinum in the cat > converter. Very similar to the way a battery works.. ions flake off > the > cathode and deposit on the anode > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 10:12:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27017; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06558; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17966 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD5EE8.04F683D0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:05:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , "'Todd Peer'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: too much safety? Not really on topic. Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:05:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cool... now I can say that this list has actually taught me something! : ) -Tom >-----Original Message----- >From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 9:40 AM >To: Todd Peer >Cc: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. > >Nope.. Just came up with the answer.. > >Galvanic table!!! Yipee, I'm still a nerd.. he he he > >The platinum in the cat converter acts as an anode and grades the polarized >ions in the exhaust and they plate off onto the platinum in the cat >converter. Very similar to the way a battery works.. ions flake off the >cathode and deposit on the anode > >Todd Peer wrote: > >> Collin Fagen Wrote: >> the chart that places a lot >> >of metals in referance to each other on how well they will be >> >anodes/cathodes.... >> >> Periodic Table. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 10:33:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27336; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:33:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07119; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18711 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA01190 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:30:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA29586 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980403153039.BXQT493@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:30:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 10:27 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: DC-Cycles to Deals Gap and Camping X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980403153039.BXQT493@[166.41.242.141]> For you Deal's Gap adventurers, here are some pretty good deals I found. If you haven't signed up to ride with us, go to the DC-Cycles Deals' Gap adventure page and check it out. Then send me an email with the year of your bike and type. I'll get you out there. http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/brp/default.htm I was in the Sports Authority at Springfield mall last evening and came across a couple of items of interest to anyone who will be camping in the near future. Dome Tent, by Astral - $29.99 ! 3-sleeper, blue I never heard of Astral. The picture on the box shows a typicle dome tent with enough space to shelter at most 2 people and gear. The box measured roughly 24"x6"x4". In other words, very easy to pack on a motorcycle. This is a great deal for simple shelter folks. Add a wx proof 24"x6" stuff sack if it doesn't already come with one. Bags- Cheap. Use that xtra $$ to by a quality air mattress. Sleeping Bag, Cloud 9 - $14.99 ! 28"x75", Grn, Blu, Blk, Br This looks like it would be roomy enough for small women and children. It is rated down to 50deg, so pack some wool socks and sweats! Sleeping Bag, Coleman FS - $19.99 ! 33"x75", unsure of colors This is a much more roomy bag. I'm unsure of the temp rating, but it probably goes at least to 50deg. Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 10:44:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27467; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07423; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19049 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:42:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA1736 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:35:26 -0800 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 10:41:53 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 10:42:54 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kjareaux@XXXXXX Subject: Help -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Moto Europa (804-355-0550) in Richmond uses a lady who does excellent work, especially two-tone with striping. Joe >>> Kelli Jareaux - 4/3/98 8:07 AM >>> Still looking for a good place to get my bike painted, can anyone make any recommendations? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 11:11:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27856; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08109; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:10:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19863 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 233; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:09:28 -0500 Message-ID: <352509F9.A3540149@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 11:10:33 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C3F@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whaddya talking about? That ain't rocket science! I know, I studied rocket science. :-) I must not be the nerd I thought I was, I've never heard of a galvanic table. Horkster BS, Aerospace Enginerd Degree Penn State University O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Did anyone hear the rocket go over my head? > Us English grad students will never understand. > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 9:40 AM > > To: Todd Peer > > Cc: DC Cycles > > Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. > > > > Nope.. Just came up with the answer.. > > > > Galvanic table!!! Yipee, I'm still a nerd.. he he he > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 11:16:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27913; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08296; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:15:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20048 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <21YAT2RY>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:14:04 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: More bad news for speeders Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:14:10 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Since when? I remember when VA had some of those Monte Carlos years ago but I have never seen VA with Mustangs, Camaro's, or Jeeps. Where in the state of VA have you seen these? Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > And here in VA the Troopers use the big luxo Jeeps, Camaros, and a > couple of Mustang Cobras... nice to see my tax money being spent on hot > rods for the state. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 11:17:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27935; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08331; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:16:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20074 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <21YATPG0>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:48:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: horkster , DC Cycles List Subject: RE: Old vs New, revisited Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:49:01 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I had a feeling you might lighten up on some of these if you ever bought a more modern bike. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Hey guys, remember this post? > Yeah, I'm eating some crow now, but it doesn't taste too bad! :-) > > Once upon a time the Horkster, a hypocrite extraordinaire, wrote: > > > > HORKSTER'S TOP 10 LIST OF USELESS NEW BIKE TECHNOLOGY > > > > 1. Liquid Cooling - one more component to break down, gotta flush it > > every year > > Yep, I did have to top off the Concours' overflow tank already: > Stand on head, remove two screws and plastic cover, remove cap, > wedge bottle of distilled water in place, pour carefully. > > This Ninja engine runs *HOT*! Lots of heat pumped out onto the rider's > lower legs. Might be nice in the winter, but it will might be > a drag in the warmer months... FWIW, the temp gauge has only > ever gone up to halfway when I was putzing around in town, but > there's a big fire going on under all that plastic. > > > 2. Electric start without a kickstart backup system. - batteries do > > die, you know. > > I don't know if I can even bump start the Connie, I sort of tried > it once at speed. Didn't see anything mentioned in the manual. Darn. > > > 3. Liquid Crystal Display guages - cheap, fog prone, don't display in > > cold weather > > I've got one LCD clock, so far so good, can't really count that. > All the other gauges are the way nature intended! :-) > > > 4. Electronic Fuel Injection - what's the point? > > Nope, got me old-fashioned Carbs on the Connie! It's never gonna sit > for long, so hopefully I'll never ever have to clean them. :-) > > > 5. Air Adjustable shocks - more containers on the bike that don't > > hold air > > Got myself there. Air adjustable rear shock. I hope it holds up. > > > 6. Hydraulic Clutches - no feel, can't adjust, another master > > cyclinder on the handlebar. > > Well, the clutch is hydraulic, but the lever is adjustable, so > I sort of stand corrected. It's not too bad. > > > 7. Anti Lock Brakes - let me stop the bike, please. > > The only ABS on my bike is the plastic. D'oh! > > > 8. Plastic Fairings - aerodynamic? not with cracks in them... > > Let's just hope I never do any major fairing busting! :-) > > > 8. Fuel Guages - not typically accurate, from what I've heard. I do > > better with tripmeters. > > Best of all worlds here, I've got a fuel gauge that registers 'E' > right before reserve kicks in, and I've got not one, but TWO trip- > meters on the Connie! Now I can use one to track mileage on a > tankfull and still be able to reset the other one for Poker Runs > and group rides with the map sheets. Heh! I like it! :-) > > > 9. On-board computer chips - Don't these run off the battery? All the time? > > I think I'm safe here, only thing running off the battery is the > clock. > > > 10. This isn't new technology, but what's with the lack of 4-way > > emergency flashers on a lot of new bikes nowadays? My 78 Kawasaki > > had them, they are a useful, practical, inexpensive safety device. > > > Why isn't this standard equipment like turn signals? > > No gripes here, got the 4-ways on the Concours. > > So what's the score? My bike has 6 of the 11 "faults" mentioned above > (yes, 11, I had two #8's! :-), but it's not quite as bad as I feared. > > The Concours is a way different bike than what I'm used to, but I think > it will be way more versatile and easy to live with. So far, I'm > pleased. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 11:18:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27956; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08347; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20115 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 398; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:16:26 -0500 Message-ID: <35250B9B.E6B0FECA@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 11:17:31 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: DC-Cycles to Deals Gap and Camping References: <19980403153039.BXQT493@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > For you Deal's Gap adventurers, here are some pretty good deals I found. > If you haven't signed up to ride with us, go to the DC-Cycles Deals' > Gap adventure page and check it out. Then send me an email with the > year of your bike and type. Todd, You might as well update the section for my bike. :-) I never expected that to happen in my wildest dreams when we first started planning this trip! Coolness abounds. With any luck, I'll have the LTD sold this weekend. It might not go too far, I've got a new neighbor who is interested! We've also got a cool air mattress pump that runs off the Chase Cage's cigarette lighter socket. I'll make sure Tracy brings that along. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 11:46:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28427; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08726; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:44:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21133 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:44:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Fri Apr 3 10:45 CST 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id KAA11937 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:44:52 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5EF5.E68ED240@XXXXXX>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:44:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: NO MC Content; Small Claims Court Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:44:45 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Following my accident last Sunday, I am now considering taking my grievance with the other driver's insurance company to small claims court. (Assuming I can validate my claim that my vehicle is worth more than what they are offering me) Does anyone know the process of filing a case? Where do I have to do it? (The city where the accident occurred or where?) Thanks. John Carver '98 VFR (That I should be riding right now with this great weather) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 11:48:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28614; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08746; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:47:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known lds96.com [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21274 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD5EF5.71DE6280@XXXXXX>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:41:30 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: More bad news for speeders Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:41:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Camaro's and Mustangs have been more towards the southern part of the state...but I have seen the Cherokee up here... it's a silver/grey with EXTREMELY blacked out windows around the back.... it's the sneakiest of them all. Also... Faquier Cnty uses Mustang GT's.... saw a guy pulled over by a Sheriff driving one back last summer.... really light blue in color. Just so ya know... -Tom '86 VFR750F >-----Original Message----- >From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 1:14 PM >To: DC Cycles >Subject: RE: More bad news for speeders > >Since when? I remember when VA had some of those Monte Carlos years ago but >I have never seen VA with Mustangs, Camaro's, or Jeeps. Where in the state >of VA have you seen these? > >Glenn Dysart >dysart@XXXXXX > >84 V30 Magna > > >> And here in VA the Troopers use the big luxo Jeeps, Camaros, and a >> couple of Mustang Cobras... nice to see my tax money being spent on hot >> rods for the state. >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 11:55:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28819; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08785; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21878 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:54:04 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA27534 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:54:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199804031654.AA27534@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:54:27 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:54:27 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:54:27 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:06:27 -0500 Subject: Who Sez We Don't Have No Culture! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3523CE73.31917111@geocities.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME *** Hell's Angel hits sour note with Quebec orchestra The gig is up for Claude Berger, who led a double life as a sedate member of the Quebec City Symphony Orchestra and a gun-owning member of the Hell's Angels motorcycle gang. The Quebec City newspaper Le Soleil reported Thursday that Berger, 47, was fired by the orchestra this week. He was arrested in April of last year for possession of illegal firearms - a hand-made "pen gun" and a sawed-off shotgun. Berger was the orchestra's third trumpeter, but since his arrest, the orchestra has performed works that require only two trumpets. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2553589709-50e From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 12:06:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29005; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:06:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08976; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22292 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:05:49 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA28482 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:06:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199804031706.AA28482@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:06:24 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:06:24 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:06:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:47:15 -0500 Subject: Now That Spring is in the Air... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35250B9B.E6B0FECA@tidalwave.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...my neighbor and recent new friend is interested in getting a bike to commute from Herndon to the Pentagon (he's a Major in the Army)...he's asked me for recommendations..he doesn't want anything TOO expensive and most likely is looking for something that he can ride year around. I suggested a Hondabago (Winger) since he always has a bunch of crap (briefcase etc) that he takes with him and he would also have the comfort of stowing his helmet away in the rear trunk instead of hauling it around with him from building to building....along with his other gear... Suggestions? -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 12:11:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29101; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09089; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.40]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22502 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id VRLMa14967; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:10:44 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <7807c5bf.35251817@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:10:44 EST To: jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: NO MC Content; Small Claims Court Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 John and anyone else who may be interested: I reccommend Nolo Press. They have a book about small claims court, whci was a big help for me to deal with a difficult landlord a few years ago. They also have a web site, which has a pretty good FAQ about small claims court. You can find it from their homepage at www.nolo.com or you can go directly to it: http://www.nolo.com/ChunkCM/CM.index.html or you can order the book: http://www.nolo.com/item/NSCC.html I'd lend you my copy, but I lent it to my sister and she lent it to someone else. I don't work for them, but have used several of their books over the years and found them to be excellent. Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 12:26:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29397; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09488; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net (known loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23042 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11016; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:25:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17138; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:25:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804031725.MAA17138@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... To: aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:25:44 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <199804031706.AA28482@egate2.citicorp.com> from "aki.damme@citicorp.com" at Apr 3, 98 11:47:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > I suggested a Hondabago (Winger) since he always has a bunch > of crap (briefcase etc) that he takes with him and he would > also have the comfort of stowing his helmet away in the rear > trunk instead of hauling it around with him from building to > building....along with his other gear... > > Suggestions? > > -aki You don't really need a Wing to carry around a load of stuff anymore. It's not that expensive to get a full Givi set up which can hold a lot of things in it. My top box alone hold a briefcase, gloves and a rainsuit. If you get side bags too you can multiply your space. They also hold 2 full face helmets for storage. Not that a Wing is bad, but storage doesn't need to be the only reason to get it anymore. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 13:15:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00226; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10845; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:14:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24391 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:14:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5F02.42C39850@XXXXXX>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:13:15 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Cc: Subject: RE: DC-Cycles to Deals Gap and Camping Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:13:13 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 38 TEXT Excuse me - don't be giving away my air mattress, punk. I plan on using it....... ---------- From: horkster[SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 11:17 AM To: Todd Peer Cc: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: DC-Cycles to Deals Gap and Camping Todd Peer wrote: > > For you Deal's Gap adventurers, here are some pretty good deals I found. > If you haven't signed up to ride with us, go to the DC-Cycles Deals' > Gap adventure page and check it out. Then send me an email with the > year of your bike and type. Todd, You might as well update the section for my bike. :-) I never expected that to happen in my wildest dreams when we first started planning this trip! Coolness abounds. With any luck, I'll have the LTD sold this weekend. It might not go too far, I've got a new neighbor who is interested! We've also got a cool air mattress pump that runs off the Chase Cage's cigarette lighter socket. I'll make sure Tracy brings that along. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 13:26:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00365; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10919; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:26:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24530 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVFN0XPGZ48ZKK4T@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:24:44 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:19:55 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:19:55 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:19:20 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... In-reply-to: <199804031706.AA28482@egate2.citicorp.com> To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:19:22 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1557IHY2UYBV X400-MTS-identifier: [;55913130408991/2498261@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >I suggested a Hondabago (Winger) since he always has a bunch >of crap (briefcase etc) that he takes with him and he would >also have the comfort of stowing his helmet away in the rear >trunk instead of hauling it around with him from building to >building....along with his other gear... How about a PC800? They sound like perfect commuter bikes (I've thought about getting one for that purpose). Speaking of buying bikes, I pulled into the garage at work today to see not one but two new bikes: an R1100R (or RS?) with 299 miles on it and a Katana with the new style bodywork. I really think they did a good job improving the look of the Katanas. I still wonder why you'd buy one since you could get a host of used bikes that are better for about the same money... but they do look better, IMO. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 13:26:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00368; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10923; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:26:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24537 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVFN0XPGZ48ZKK4T@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:25:21 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:22:01 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:22:01 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:21:27 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... In-reply-to: <199804031725.MAA17138@shell.clark.net> To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:21:28 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1557IHY2V86D X400-MTS-identifier: [;10223130408991/2498271@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >You don't really need a Wing to carry around a load of stuff anymore. >It's not that expensive to get a full Givi set up which can hold a lot >of things in it. My top box alone hold a briefcase, gloves and a >rainsuit. If you get side bags too you can multiply your space. They >also hold 2 full face helmets for storage. Bags aren't standard on the connie? Or did you just supplement with the Givi box? As dirt cheap as the Concours are they're a good choice. I just thought they came with hard bags. I still say buy used... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 14:06:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00958; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11386; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26035 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA23850 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by mscex.MSC.USCG.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5F09.A0CB8A00@XXXXXX>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:05:59 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: non-moto: joke from the site Coleen recommended Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:05:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the url to the Nolo Press site Coleen... Good information there. While perusing their site, I came across these... plenty of lawyer bashing jokes: http://www.nolo.com/jokes/jokes.html Collin T. Fagan LTjg, USCG Staff Engineer USCG Marine Safety Center From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 14:24:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01176; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11534; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:24:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26497 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:24:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804031924.OAA26497@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2FVTK6MW>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:23:39 -0500 From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC Cycles , Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:17:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... Author: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 [SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] at DISAHUB Date: 4/3/98 1:19 PM >>I suggested a Hondabago (Winger) since he always has a bunch >>of crap (briefcase etc) that he takes with him and he would >>also have the comfort of stowing his helmet away in the rear >>trunk instead of hauling it around with him from building to >>building....along with his other gear... >How about a PC800? They sound like perfect commuter bikes (I've thought >about getting one for that purpose). >Speaking of buying bikes, I pulled into the garage at work today to see >not one but two new bikes: an R1100R (or RS?) with 299 miles on it and >a Katana with the new style bodywork. I really think they did a good >job improving the look of the Katanas. I still wonder why you'd buy one >since you could get a host of used bikes that are better for about the >same money... but they do look better, IMO. ...and a PC 800 is the perfect "woman's bike" to recommend to your male, armed forces neighbor >;) Tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 14:28:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01262; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11586; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26690 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 549 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:26:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3525383C.1FC611AB@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 14:27:56 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: 500 Mile Service: Free? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody know offhand if Coleman PoserSport in Woodbridge does a new bike's 500 mile service for free, or do they charge for labor/parts? Heck, can I take it to any dealer for the service? I'm new at this new bike stuff... I suppose I could call them, but I'd probably get 3 different answers depending on whether Moe, Larry, or Curly answers the phone... :-) All these good questions I never thought to ask when I was drooling over the new bike last Monday... Thanks, -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours (425.3 miles and counting) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 14:31:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01392; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:31:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11649; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net (known loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26967 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19349 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:31:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11772 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:31:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804031931.OAA11772@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:31:27 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Forwarded message: > From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 > Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... > >You don't really need a Wing to carry around a load of stuff anymore. > >It's not that expensive to get a full Givi set up which can hold a lot > >of things in it. My top box alone hold a briefcase, gloves and a > >rainsuit. If you get side bags too you can multiply your space. They > >also hold 2 full face helmets for storage. > > Bags aren't standard on the connie? Or did you just supplement with the > Givi box? > > As dirt cheap as the Concours are they're a good choice. I just thought > they came with hard bags. Supplemented. I like the looks and the extra capacity. Plus a top load system is a cinch. I'm the kind of guy who always takes a little too much (but I might need it....) plus I like adding toys to the bike. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 14:38:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01545; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11754; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27369 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:36:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 344; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:35:44 -0500 Message-ID: <35253A4E.5D297E8C@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 14:36:46 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Connie Boxes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy asked: > > Bags aren't standard on the connie? Or did you just supplement with the > Givi box? > > As dirt cheap as the Concours are they're a good choice. I just thought > they came with hard bags. > Kirk, You are right, Connies come with hard saddlebags standard. Louis has a Givi top box on his. Looks pretty cool, I might add. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 14:46:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01701; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:46:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11970; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:46:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28033 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:46:07 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA05559 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:46:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199804031946.AA05559@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:46:38 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:46:38 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:46:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:43:04 -0500 Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199804031924.OAA26497@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...you know...maybe it's me but a PC800 (IMHO) is just about the BUTT UGLIEST bike I've seen since the advent of the Radian...it looks like a great big honking scooter on steriods...I know it's reputed to be a really nice bike and a great ride but knowing Jeff like I do, I seriously doubt he'd even consider a PC800!!! 8-P cheers, -aki > Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... > Author: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 [SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] at > > DISAHUB > Date: 4/3/98 1:19 PM > > > >>I suggested a Hondabago (Winger) since he always has a bunch > >>of crap (briefcase etc) that he takes with him and he would > >>also have the comfort of stowing his helmet away in the rear > >>trunk instead of hauling it around with him from building to > >>building....along with his other gear... > > >How about a PC800? They sound like perfect commuter bikes (I've thought > >about getting one for that purpose). > > >Speaking of buying bikes, I pulled into the garage at work today to see > >not one but two new bikes: an R1100R (or RS?) with 299 miles on it and > >a Katana with the new style bodywork. I really think they did a good > >job improving the look of the Katanas. I still wonder why you'd buy one > >since you could get a host of used bikes that are better for about the > >same money... but they do look better, IMO. > > > ...and a PC 800 is the perfect "woman's bike" to recommend to your male, > armed > forces neighbor >;) > > Tom > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 14:56:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01817; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12193; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28427 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:55:02 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA06051 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:55:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199804031955.AA06051@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:55:22 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:55:22 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:55:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:52:19 -0500 Subject: 500 Mile Service: Free? To: horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3525383C.1FC611AB@tidalwave.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ..I'd be very suprised if Coleman would offer ANYTHING for free... -aki > Anybody know offhand if Coleman PoserSport in Woodbridge > does a new bike's 500 mile service for free, or do they charge > for labor/parts? Heck, can I take it to any dealer for the > service? I'm new at this new bike stuff... > > I suppose I could call them, but I'd probably get 3 different > answers depending on whether Moe, Larry, or Curly answers > the phone... :-) > > All these good questions I never thought to ask when I was > drooling over the new bike last Monday... > > Thanks, > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours (425.3 miles and counting) > 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 14:57:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01829; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12211; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known [205.215.54.51] [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28510 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA12254; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:57:43 -0500 Message-ID: <35253E67.11EAD8F1@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 14:54:15 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: aki.damme@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... References: <199804031725.MAA17138@shell.clark.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with Louis, my 24 gallon (90 liter) hard luggage was purchased at WalMart for about $25. It works fine on the 250. Leon. > > You don't really need a Wing to carry around a load of stuff anymore. > It's not that expensive to get a full Givi set up which can hold a lot > of things in it. My top box alone hold a briefcase, gloves and a rainsuit. > If you get side bags too you can multiply your space. They also hold 2 full > face helmets for storage. > > Not that a Wing is bad, but storage doesn't need to be the only reason > to get it anymore. > > Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 15:11:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02000; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12433; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:09:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29066 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19248 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:09:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19042 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:09:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804032009.PAA19042@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Connie Boxes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:09:52 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Forwarded message: > > Kirk Roy asked: > > > > Bags aren't standard on the connie? Or did you just supplement with the > > Givi box? > > Kirk, > > You are right, Connies come with hard saddlebags standard. > Louis has a Givi top box on his. Looks pretty cool, I might add. Sorry Tracy. I'll try not to give him too many ideas, like gold pinstriping, a Rifle Fairing, a Russell Saddle.... Anyone know a good pinstriper in the area? I got the address of one near the Springfield Mall, but couldn't find it. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 15:18:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02146; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12604; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29361 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA16122; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA00252; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980403201648.FIP18677@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:16:48 -0600 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:01 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "horkster" CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: 500 Mile Service: Free? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980403201648.FIP18677@[166.41.242.141]> C'mon Dale! Look who you're talking about there! Of course they're gonna' charge you, and you'd be lucky to get away for anything less than $200! Now, what exactly are they going to do? Do you have your service manual yet? The 500 mile service basically is a front to back check of major components (no loose fasteners, leaky pipes, or anything out of the ordinary), change of oil and filter, top off water coolant, change the hypoid (you're a shafty now), and check the carb synchro. If it needs it they should do the synchro. That's about all, and boy do you pay for it. Now the question becomes, do they really actually do all this stuff? I don't know, but I'm generally a suspicious person anyway and would not let a shop do these sort of things if I could do it myself. And I can! I paid about $145 over 5 years ago to CP for the 500 mile service on my CB750. Yeah, I felt, "gee, I'm sure glad these guys know what to do during my mysterious 500 mile check". All they did was change the oil (put too much in), adjust and lube the chain (too much lube, rained everywhere and gunked up the guard). Ymmv and all that, but you can/will do these things. Todd Dale Horstman wrote: >Anybody know offhand if Coleman PoserSport in Woodbridge >does a new bike's 500 mile service for free, or do they charge >for labor/parts? Heck, can I take it to any dealer for the >service? I'm new at this new bike stuff... > >I suppose I could call them, but I'd probably get 3 different >answers depending on whether Moe, Larry, or Curly answers >the phone... :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 15:22:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02224; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:22:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12644; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:21:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29534 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:21:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA27742 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:21:31 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:21:31 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:24:09 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 9 TEXT >.it looks like a great big honking scooter on steriods Strangely enough, I LIKE the look of the Helix (on the Helix) but don't like it on the PC I'm confused Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 15:32:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02365; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:32:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12715; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29848 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5F15.3A5394F0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:29:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:29:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 39 TEXT And just want does it take for a bike to be considered a "woman's bike"? ---------- >From: Mersch, Tom[SMTP:merscht@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 2:17 PM To: DC Cycles; Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... Author: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 [SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] at DISAHUB Date: 4/3/98 1:19 PM >>I suggested a Hondabago (Winger) since he always has a bunch >>of crap (briefcase etc) that he takes with him and he would >>also have the comfort of stowing his helmet away in the rear >>trunk instead of hauling it around with him from building to >>building....along with his other gear... >How about a PC800? They sound like perfect commuter bikes (I've thought >about getting one for that purpose). >Speaking of buying bikes, I pulled into the garage at work today to see >not one but two new bikes: an R1100R (or RS?) with 299 miles on it and >a Katana with the new style bodywork. I really think they did a good >job improving the look of the Katanas. I still wonder why you'd buy one >since you could get a host of used bikes that are better for about the >same money... but they do look better, IMO. ...and a PC 800 is the perfect "woman's bike" to recommend to your male, armed forces neighbor >;) Tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 15:32:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02376; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12724; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29882 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:31:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 432; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:30:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3525471E.7C5C4172@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:31:26 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: 500 Mile Service: Free? References: <19980403201648.FIP18677@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But do I void the warranty if I don't have them do this first service? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 15:36:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02448; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12781; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:35:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.worldbank.org (known smtp01.worldbank.org [138.220.3.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00087 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:35:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org ([138.220.29.7]) by worldbank.org (PMDF V5.1-8 #16195) with SMTP id <01IVFQM1YT1M9KMYO0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:06:04 EDT Received: by WBLN0014.worldbank.org(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.1.03 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:06:43 -0500 From: "Perry D. Coleman" Subject: Re: 500 Mile Service: Free? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852565DB.006E37DD.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii At the risk of sounding like I'm defending Coleman PowerSports, I have never heard of ANY dealer that did not charge for the 500 mile service (at least with Kawasaki.) My wife's Eliminator cost about $160 for the 500 mile service. Most of that was for the labor. The good news is that it should be a fairly standard charge and anything that is bad should be replaced under warranty. However, it still takes time to adjust valves or carburetors, etc. and you will pay for that. Regards, Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 15:50:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02667; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12981; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:49:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00747 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:49:13 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA08321 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:49:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199804032049.AA08321@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:49:48 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:49:48 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:49:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:46:47 -0500 Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...wimmin puddles on the seat? ;-) > And just want does it take for a bike to be considered a "woman's bike"? > > > ---------- > From: Mersch, Tom[SMTP:merscht@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 2:17 PM > To: DC Cycles; Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 > Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... > > Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... > Author: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 [SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] at > > DISAHUB > Date: 4/3/98 1:19 PM > > > >>I suggested a Hondabago (Winger) since he always has a bunch > >>of crap (briefcase etc) that he takes with him and he would > >>also have the comfort of stowing his helmet away in the rear > >>trunk instead of hauling it around with him from building to > >>building....along with his other gear... > > >How about a PC800? They sound like perfect commuter bikes (I've thought > >about getting one for that purpose). > > >Speaking of buying bikes, I pulled into the garage at work today to see > >not one but two new bikes: an R1100R (or RS?) with 299 miles on it and > >a Katana with the new style bodywork. I really think they did a good > >job improving the look of the Katanas. I still wonder why you'd buy one > >since you could get a host of used bikes that are better for about the > >same money... but they do look better, IMO. > > > ...and a PC 800 is the perfect "woman's bike" to recommend to your male, > armed > forces neighbor >;) > > Tom > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 15:50:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02678; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12987; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00758 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:49:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA00752 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:49:20 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:49:20 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:51:58 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 12 TEXT >And just want does it take for a bike to be considered a "woman's bike"? Step-through frame White basket on handlebars with flowers Pastel paint scheme White hand grips The usual stuff... Michael (I normally wouldn't touch this thread with a 10' pole) Jordan > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 16:10:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03013; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13265; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01531 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id QAA25635; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:08:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:06:22 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C61@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:07:11 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Something non-sportbike. That's the most common comment I get, "Oh, a GIRL on a SPORTbike!!??" - Jeannette (I like to sit back & watch the flames on these threads!!) ; ) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 3:52 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... > > >And just want does it take for a bike to be considered a "woman's > bike"? > > Step-through frame > White basket on handlebars with flowers > Pastel paint scheme > White hand grips > > The usual stuff... > > Michael (I normally wouldn't touch this thread with a 10' pole) Jordan > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 16:12:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03034; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13283; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:11:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01580 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:11:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA00504; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:11:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA25463; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980403211113.FHMO493@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:11:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 16:00 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "horkster" CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: 500 Mile Service: Free? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980403211113.FHMO493@[166.41.242.141]> I don't know if you would void the warranty or not. Look at it and see if there is anything in there that says all work must be done by a qualified Kawasaki mechanic. As I understand warranties, they are written for mileage and/or years of service concerning workmanship of the bike itself. Where it's written for labor, that only applies if you allow the dealership to do the work. As long as you don't screw something up while working on the bike, you should be fine. Todd Dale Horstman replied: >But do I void the warranty if I don't have them do this >first service? > >Todd Peer wrote: >> >> C'mon Dale! Look who you're talking about there! Of course they're >> gonna' charge you, and you'd be lucky to get away for anything less >> than $200! >> >> Ymmv and all that, but you can/will do these things. >> >> Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 16:38:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03339; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:38:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13579; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02381 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:36:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA06744; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:36:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv3-11.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.75) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma006678; Fri Apr 3 15:35:57 1998 Message-ID: <3524D648.2F87@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 04:30:00 -0800 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, aki.damme@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... References: <199804031706.AA28482@egate2.citicorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > ...my neighbor and recent new friend is interested in getting > a bike to commute from Herndon to the Pentagon (he's a Major > in the Army)...he's asked me for recommendations..he doesn't > want anything TOO expensive and most likely is looking for > something that he can ride year around. > > -aki How about something thile the Honda PC800 (Pacific Coast). Easier for a newbie than the Gold Wing, with lots of Storage Space. Plus they are available at som prety good prices. There were a bunch of 96 Calif leftover model PC800's floating around for around $5000.00 new. There was one at the Honda dealer in Winchester. I thought about it myself, but dont have that much saved up yet. ;(( -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 17:20:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03995; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13968; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03329 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:18:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1DRWa24517 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:18:12 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <564fed1a.35256026@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:18:12 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: 500 Mile Service: Free? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Over the years I have processed warranty claims for BMW, Ducati, Triumph and Suzuki motorcycles (I worked in a few shops). At least for those brands, doing the maintenance yourself will not void the warranty. However, you must document the maintenance to protect yourself. Save all your parts receipts, including for oil and spark plugs. Keep a maintenance log too. Write down everything you do, along with the mileage and date. Get a service checklist, and make sure you do everything on it. Hypothetical circumstance: Your engine burns a valve. You try to get your shop to fix it under warranty, but you don't have a receipt for a valve cover gasket (let's assume the model bike you have needs new gaskets every time), and you can't supply a document indicating what the clearances were last time you checked them. Think any shop will try to put a claim like that through? I sure wouldn't have. Colleen >>But do I void the warranty if I don't have them do this >>first service? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 17:43:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04288; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14967; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:41:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03951 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:41:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id OAA16429; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id OAA18821; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:45:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id OAA28864; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:41:14 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id OAA28854; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:41:12 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5F0E.87D75920@XXXXXX>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:41:04 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:36:26 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Well that's better that "wimmin puddles", whatever the heck those are. ;) Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 12:52 PM >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... > >>And just want does it take for a bike to be considered a "woman's bike"? > >Step-through frame >White basket on handlebars with flowers >Pastel paint scheme >White hand grips > >The usual stuff... > >Michael (I normally wouldn't touch this thread with a 10' pole) Jordan > >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 18:09:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04775; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:09:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16818; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05064 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:08:04 -0500 (EST) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.75.152]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA18056; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:07:31 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980403180703.006af990@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 18:07:03 -0600 To: "horkster" , Todd Peer , DC Cycles List Subject: voiding warranties, was Re: 500 Mile Service In-Reply-To: <3525471E.7C5C4172@tidalwave.net> References: <19980403201648.FIP18677@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:31 PM 4/3/98 -0500, horkster wrote: >But do I void the warranty if I don't have them do this >first service? > > dale-- The Magnusson-Moss Waranty act of 1975 says your warranty will remain in force regardless of who services the bike (or car) and the source of parts. If the manufacturer requires a specific parts brand or service location, it must provide those things absolutely free of charge. They may require that you use a SF grade oil of your choice and change it every so many miles, for example, but beyond that they have no power. So, if they ever question your warranty, prove that you did the required service (receipts for parts and a simple note in your service manual should do it) and you're fine. later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 19:24:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05587; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22662; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:22:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06378 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-219-216.pitb.grid.net [207.205.219.216]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA00561 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:22:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980403192420.006a5f10@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 19:24:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Ouch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Funeral Escort Killed in Kansas Friday, April 3, 1998; 2:49 p.m. EST WICHITA, Kan. (AP) -- A motorcycle escort trying to catch up with a funeral procession was killed when he rear-ended a car carrying mourners. Bruce E. Wendt, a 32-year-old employee of a funeral home, died Thursday. No one in the Lincoln Town car was hurt. Wendt had blocked traffic at an intersection to let the procession go by, then apparently tried to catch up and went around a curve too fast. Copyright 1998 The Associated Press From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 23:31:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07964; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27061; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:30:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09994 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23453; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:30:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from leon-at-home (cust043.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.43]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA26326 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:32:32 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980404042544.0068b0b8@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 23:25:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... You know, bikes like Honda Rebel and PC800, Ninja 250, Suzuki Savage or any other bike under 500cc. No real man would ever be seen riding any of those. Right, Dale? At 15:29 3-04-98 -0500, you wrote: >And just want does it take for a bike to be considered a "woman's bike"? > Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 00:06:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08573; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27556; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10575 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:05:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA23057; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:12:52 -0500 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:12:51 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: aki.damme@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... In-Reply-To: <199804031706.AA28482@egate2.citicorp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 3 Apr 1998 aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > ...my neighbor and recent new friend is interested in getting > a bike to commute from Herndon to the Pentagon (he's a Major > in the Army)...he's asked me for recommendations..he doesn't > > I suggested a Hondabago (Winger) since he always has a bunch > > Suggestions? If this is an experienced rider, he doesn't need my recommendation; if not, he should start MUCH smaller than any GoldWing. --garcia "Caution: Cape does not enable user to fly." Batman costume warning label From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 00:22:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08880; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28090; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10714 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA24922; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:29:06 -0500 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:29:05 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" cc: George Howell , DC Cycles Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. In-Reply-To: <3524C788.C6A46663@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > George Howell wrote: > > > Read the same thing about Fords. Has to do with some platinum coating on > > the radiator or something along those lines. Acts as a big catalyst. In > > theory. How are you gonna test something like that? > > > I think you mean Anode (cathode? get em mixed sometimes) rather than > catalyst... > It is very unlikely that platinum would act as a catylyst in most any > chemical reaction. It is however used as an electrode due to its > terrific wear/corrosion resistance and its very high position on > the..errr chemistry memory failing here... the chart that places a lot > of metals in referance to each other on how well they will be > anodes/cathodes.... > Platinum is a widely-used catalyst a (and is used in the catalytic converters in cars). It is also chemically and electrochemically inert under most conditions, and is therefore used as an electrode. The chart you're referring to is called the electromotive force series. --garcia "The police reported that the victim suffered at least two broken legs." Leo Rosten From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 00:47:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09247; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:47:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28425; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11277 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from rdt.erols.com (207-172-52-150.s150.tnt1.brd.erols.com [207.172.52.150]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA25956; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:46:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804040546.AAA25956@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , Subject: Re: Maintenance party Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:44:41 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When does the "party" start and how long will it last? Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Maintenance party > Date: Thursday, April 02, 1998 9:11 PM > > Here's the url for directions to my house: > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/directions.html > > Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > > > I'll make a web page with directions to my house from various directions > > and post the url in a bit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 02:02:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09942; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29372; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12162 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.44] (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 04 Apr 1998 02:00:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 500 Mile Service: Free? Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 02:02:31 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "horkster" , "DC Cycles List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Anybody know offhand if Coleman PoserSport in Woodbridge >does a new bike's 500 mile service for free, or do they charge >for labor/parts? Heck, can I take it to any dealer for the >service? I'm new at this new bike stuff... Unless they told you up front, plan on shelling out some money for the service. You can get it done anywhere, but I'd get it done by an authorized Kawi dealer. Save your receipt. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 02:02:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09947; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:02:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29380; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12170 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.44] (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 04 Apr 1998 02:00:29 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 02:02:38 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >As dirt cheap as the Concours are they're a good choice. I just thought >they came with hard bags. > >I still say buy used... Atlantic Cycle was trying to sell a Connie on consignment. Don't know if it's still there. Morton's BMW had a used Connie a few weeks ago (check homepage www.mortons.com) that the previous owner put a nifty white paint job on. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 02:02:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09945; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:02:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29368; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12158 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.44] (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 04 Apr 1998 02:00:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 02:02:27 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Jordan, Michael'" , "\"'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'\" " Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Something non-sportbike. That's the most common comment I get, "Oh, a >GIRL on a SPORTbike!!??" My brother (why do all of my good stories start like that anymore?) was sitting down to lunch at school today (College Park). Looked over, and saw a somewhat attractive girl with close cut hair (I believe SWMBO refers to it as an 'elf cut') reading a copy of Sport Rider, and talking about her CB1. So my brother thinks 'cute girl, has a bike. What's the catch?' After a few minutes discussion about bikes, it turns out that my brother wasn't her type. Nor me. Nor, apparantly, was anyone who can pee standing up. The conversation ended about thirty seconds later. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 02:02:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09948; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:02:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29376; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12166 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.44] (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 04 Apr 1998 02:00:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 500 Mile Service: Free? Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 02:02:34 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" , "horkster" cc: "DC Cycles List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Now the question becomes, do they really actually do all this stuff? >I don't know, but I'm generally a suspicious person anyway and would >not let a shop do these sort of things if I could do it myself. And >I can! I paid about $145 over 5 years ago to CP for the 500 >mile service on my CB750. Yeah, I felt, "gee, I'm sure glad these >guys know what to do during my mysterious 500 mile check". All they >did was change the oil (put too much in), adjust and lube the chain >(too much lube, rained everywhere and gunked up the guard). > >Ymmv and all that, but you can/will do these things. You better believe YMMV. My ZL had a valve adjust, all fluids changed (not just topped off). Carb sync, etc, etc. Only paid about $175 for it. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 02:02:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09951; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29384; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12176 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.44] (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 04 Apr 1998 02:00:32 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 500 Mile Service: Free? Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 02:02:40 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Perry D. Coleman" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > My wife's Eliminator cost about $160 for the 500 mile >service. Ha! My guesstimate on what I paid was right:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 02:02:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09960; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:02:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29388; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12185 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.44] (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 04 Apr 1998 02:00:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 02:02:43 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Speaking of buying bikes, I pulled into the garage at work today to see >not one but two new bikes: an R1100R (or RS?) with 299 miles on it and a >Katana with the new style bodywork. I really think they did a good job >improving the look of the Katanas. I still wonder why you'd buy one >since you could get a host of used bikes that are better for about the >same money... but they do look better, IMO. Faired:R1100RS (or RT) Nekkid bike:R (or possibly GS if it has a 'snout') Those new Katanas are nice, and all that, but you can get last year's leftover for about $1500 less with good financing. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 02:02:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09972; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29392; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12190 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.44] (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 04 Apr 1998 02:00:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: More bad news for speeders Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 02:02:46 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Tom Zell" , "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "\"'DC Cycles'\" " Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >The Camaro's and Mustangs have been more towards the southern part of >the state...but I have seen the Cherokee up here... it's a silver/grey >with EXTREMELY blacked out windows around the back.... it's the >sneakiest of them all. Speaking of Camaros..... My brother was touring some colleges in SC a few weeks back in my father's Town Car. Got pulled over by a 1998 Z28. Silver with a yellow stripe along the side. Indistinguishable, until you are right next to it, and in barely contrasting reflector yellow, it says 'South Carolina State Highway Patrol'. To make a long story short: 87 in a 50 4 points $150 fine. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 02:02:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09980; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:02:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29396; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12195 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.44] (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 04 Apr 1998 02:00:42 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: too much safety? Not really on topic. Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 02:02:49 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Collin T. Fagan'" , "Todd Peer " cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Did anyone hear the rocket go over my head? >Us English grad students will never understand. Some of us swing both ways: Economics/Chemistry undergrad. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 07:21:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12086; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02193; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA14935 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-40-240.s240.tnt11.ann.erols.com [207.172.40.240]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA15525; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:20:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <352625DC.37DE7946@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 07:21:48 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Roy D. Turner" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maintenance party References: <199804040546.AAA25956@smtp2.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, we planned on around noon, but with the rain, we're a little limited on dry places to work... My shed will hold about two (more) bikes at once. Anyone is still welcome to come, but we'll have to tag team on any work that's being done... Directions: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/directions.html (703) 356-4279 Collin Roy D. Turner wrote: > > When does the "party" start and how long will it last? Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 07:25:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12190; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02215; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:24:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA14956 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:24:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-40-240.s240.tnt11.ann.erols.com [207.172.40.240]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA16045; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:24:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <352626F6.C153DAA4@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 07:26:30 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: Tom Zell , "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "\"'DC Cycles'\"" Subject: Re: More bad news for speeders References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a good list of what to look for out there on the highway... One other state listing I say was using these opaque emblems that are nearly invisible until you are on top of them. http://www.speedtrap.com/copcars/ -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 09:19:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12841; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02581; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (known sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16144 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id GAA25409 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 06:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca007.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.78]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id GAA20425 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 06:17:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA007 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 06:18:03 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B67@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'George Howell'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: More bad news for speeders Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 06:17:49 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Correct. My folks live in SC, and I saw TWO of those Camaros on the way to Daytona. --chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: George Howell[SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, April 04, 1998 2:02 AM > To: Tom Zell; 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'; "'DC Cycles'" > Subject: RE: More bad news for speeders > > Speaking of Camaros..... My brother was touring some colleges in SC a > few > weeks back in my father's Town Car. Got pulled over by a 1998 Z28. > Silver > with a yellow stripe along the side. Indistinguishable, until you are > right next to it, and in barely contrasting reflector yellow, it says > 'South Carolina State Highway Patrol'. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 09:32:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12899; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02647; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16242 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:31:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17903 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:31:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35266F59.5543@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 09:35:21 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Chain Info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, Well, I'm not sure how many of y'all are heading over to Colin's for maintenance procedures, but if you want to know more about chains, I found the following URL on the VF/VFR list. Looks interesting enough to share with the list and happily, doesn't appear to be an April Fool's prank ;^P http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcnuts/chain.html Ciao, John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 09:35:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12918; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02661; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:34:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from suntan.kleks.org (known suntan.kleks.org [192.150.241.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16267 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:34:51 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.kleks.org (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA07038 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:36:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804041436.JAA07038@suntan.kleks.org> Subject: Saturday ride (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:36:18 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Saturday dawned clear and bright. > > The following cast of characters showed up for the ride (the list was > made at the Harper's Ferry stop - apologies if anyone was left out) > (Sorry for delay, I was out of office for a week). After we parted at Harper's Ferry gas station, Tom Gimer (ZX-11) and me (CBR-1100XX) continued on route 340 westward. We had a nice ride behind some cops cars, a yahoo in Z28, but we reached rt 11 in good shape. We took rt 11 south to 211. This part is kind of mixed - lot os communities with speed limits, traffic in trucks, etc. If someone knows what might be a nice workaround from Harper's Ferry to 211 in Shenondoah Valley, I am willing to try it. After it, on 211 it was a question how low can we lean bikes. On the east side of BRP, we took short break - to exchange opinions. At this point we found that for each of us it was first ride through 211 on this particular bike. We headed east to 66 for Tom, and 234/659 for me. Very nice day - thanks to all who were riding with to HF ! _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 10:55:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13565; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02976; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:54:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17014 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:54:04 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA20655 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:54:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199804041554.AA20655@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:54:05 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:54:05 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:54:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:52:35 -0500 Subject: RE: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, garicao@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_0_MIME_Boundary_23342.3526579c.wtprod2.cgin.us-md.citicorp.com" ------ =_0_MIME_Boundary_23342.3526579c.wtprod2.cgin.us-md.citicorp.com ...actually he *is* an experienced rider and wants something comfortable to ride on a daily basis to work and back...I suggested something like a Wing only because it's more visible, more comfortable and holds a lot more than a typical cruiser or sport bike. Sorry I didn't mention that in the original question... -aki -----Original Message----- >From: garicao(a)CapAccess.org Sent: Saturday, April 04, 1998 12:13 AM To: Aki Damme Cc: dc-cycles(a)cs.umd.edu Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... On Fri, 3 Apr 1998 aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > ...my neighbor and recent new friend is interested in getting > a bike to commute from Herndon to the Pentagon (he's a Major > in the Army)...he's asked me for recommendations..he doesn't > > I suggested a Hondabago (Winger) since he always has a bunch > > Suggestions? If this is an experienced rider, he doesn't need my recommendation; if not, he should start MUCH smaller than any GoldWing. --garcia "Caution: Cape does not enable user to fly." 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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:30:28 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 35 TEXT Don't know what those are either. Dale said something about excitement while on a bike - since I ride with him wouldn't know what he would be talking about....... -----Original Message----- >From: Viteri, Ursulina [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 5:36 PM To: 'Jordan, Michael'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Well that's better that "wimmin puddles", whatever the heck those are. ;) Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 12:52 PM >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... > >>And just want does it take for a bike to be considered a "woman's bike"? > >Step-through frame >White basket on handlebars with flowers >Pastel paint scheme >White hand grips > >The usual stuff... > >Michael (I normally wouldn't touch this thread with a 10' pole) Jordan > >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 11:33:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14314; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:33:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03268; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17970 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25716; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:32:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5FBD.22C3D900@XXXXXX>; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:30:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:30:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 19 TEXT Ha-ha-ha-ha -----Original Message----- >From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 11:26 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... You know, bikes like Honda Rebel and PC800, Ninja 250, Suzuki Savage or any other bike under 500cc. No real man would ever be seen riding any of those. Right, Dale? At 15:29 3-04-98 -0500, you wrote: >And just want does it take for a bike to be considered a "woman's bike"? > Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 15:05:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23059; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05234; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21627 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:04:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA24063 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:04:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3526BD61.6529@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:08:17 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: FS: GS-450L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gang, the usual disclaimers apply... JK ============================== For Sale: '86 Suzuki GS-450L Motorcycle (stu@XXXXXX (Stu Labovitz), 04/02/98 16:04) For Sale: 1986 Suzuki GS-450L motorcycle. Red paint scheme (although faded), almost no rust/corrosion. Runs great, excellent (55+ mpg) gas mileage. Includes owner's manual, Clymer repair manual, and National Cycle Plexistar 2 windshield. Currently garaged in the Severn, MD area. It has great handling characteristics, so this is a wonderful first/ second 'bike for someone who is not an extremely experienced rider, although it is not a "new rider only" cycle. $950 obo. Please contact me via email if you are interested and want to take a look... Stuart L Labovitz (stu@XXXXXX) DoD #1865 Everything should be made as simple as possible, '86 Suzuki GS450L but not simpler. ---- Albert Einstein (insert standard disclaimer here) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 5 13:21:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21304; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14890; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05873 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-30.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.71]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA20609 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:19:08 -0400 Message-ID: <0ab001bd60b7$1dbf4d40$3710b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Potholes/Saving a leg/FARS/oil analysis/Insurance Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:19:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >From the 'MC-Gettysburg' (back of envelope) pile before gobbling up last of crisp weather -- ***Recently, new DC CMO Camille Barnett "assured her audience she knew all about the city's notorious potholes: 'I've been in several of them. . . . I want [input]:' 202 727 3432. [a human answered a check call!]" Post 3/24 p.D03. ***This MC Consumer News article, a bit medically gruesome, seems noteworthy in revealing a sleeper of a serious laydown hazard. http://www.mcnews.com/depts/physical.htm [From Another List] ***Re checking out bikes -- wonder if this holds true for all types? [FAL] > I want to check > on recalls/service bulletins . . .. How does one go about > finding them? >Have your dealer order you a set of microfiche for your model. Besides >part and specification info, it includes all applicable recalls and >service bulletins. Cost about $3.00. You can usually find access to a >viewer at a public library. ***Re oil analysis -- any experience here? [FA national L] >I just came back from Autozone where I bought mobil 1 for the bike going to switch after reading all the comments here. At the counter they had a Mobil oil analysis kit to sent your oil to Titan labs in denver to get it analyzed, picked it up for $10.25. I know there are a lot of ex navy guys in this group, I was the fuel king on [an SSN] and we used to send oil samples off for analysis. Didn't do much with the reports except put them in a binder. Has anyone had their oil analyzed?< ***Notes on recent personal DC MC insurance check: o From the top 10 or so, found only Markel (1 800 236 BIKE) and GEICO (301 986 2500) writing for my MC-only in DC. Nationwide, State Farm wouldn't discuss MC unless auto also (didn't note +- DC w/auto). Others no MC in DC, period. o Lots of variability in costs and coverage between Markel and GEICO. o Recent comments from other places re GEICO (controversial on this list also, as I recall). I have feeling longevity with G may depend on total insurance posture with them. >[FAL]Years ago I was abruptly cancelled by GEICO for having one ticket 7 miles above speed limit . After 10 years of no problems or claims! A friend was also cancelled after 25+ years with GEICO because he had not had an accident or ticket and therefore was statistically due to have one. . . .But this is one time you can take your buisiness elsewhere! --- Absolutely correct. GEICO advertises low rates but is notorious for then cancelling an insured for a single claim or infraction. Buyer beware. --- Side Two: I've been with GEICO over 25 years, had quite a few claims (none were my fault) and I get great claim service and the cost is lower than anyone else could give me. Allstate and State Farm both couldn't even come close to GEICOs rate. And yes, I am a government employee too! GEICO was started for the active duty military overseas (I was for over 20 years) and as far as I'm concerned is one of the better insurance companies. They aren't too hot on cycle insurance costs so I have mine with Rider. --- around 81 or 82 i had GEICO ins, i think the branch of GEICE that actualy insured the bike was called CETURIAN, anyhow i had a little wreck and totaled the bike, they paid for it no problems, and when i got a new one they inusred it without raising the premiums etc. I was real happy with them, but get a better deal with DAIRYLAND, so moved on. --- I have been with Geico for almost 20 years. I have filed two claims in the last ten years. Both times they immediately paid the claims and did not raise my rates or drop me. I received a speeding ticket about a year and a half ago, but my rates have remained the same. I have all my cars, truck, and motorcycle insured through them. No problems here. < Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 5 14:33:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21709; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15312; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06673 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1DKMa11408 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:31:52 -0500 (EDT) From: MotorLE Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:31:52 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: leathers etc for sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Oh, no, it's another blatantly commercial post! The first four items on the following list are some primo items I have acquired recently. The rest is some stuff I've had for a while and want to make go away. Pictures of most of these items are on my web site at http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html I have to charge 5% MD sales tax, unfortunately. thanks, Colleen Aerostich 2-piece Roadcrafter, blue with black, size 40L. Standard issue blue Aerostich suit with black ballistics and TF2 pads. Excellent condition - never down and not faded. Aerostich catalog lists 'em for $697, this one is $450. Vanson SRX jacket, black, size 42. Sport Rider jacket with inner pockets for optional armor and back protector. Center main zipper, two small rear zippered vents, two inside pockets. Excellent condition. Price from Vanson is $459, this one is $325. Vanson PT pants, black, size 34. High waist jeans with two front hand pockets and two snap close rear pockets. Beautiful one piece legs. No signs of use. Price from Vanson is $359, this pair is $250. Roadgear Oregon Trail jacket, black, size 48. This is a nice clone of Hein Gericke's Dakar jacket. Unused. Lists for $379, this one $250. First Gear Stealth jacket, black, size 40. Used just a few times. 2"x3" US flag patch has been sewn to left shoulder, otherwise this coat is unblemished. $200. AXO dirt boots, black, size 8. Four adjustable buckles close each boot. Some white trim.Worn a lot. $50. Wilsons euro biker style jacket, black, size 38 - $50 Golden Spectro 20/50 (the semi-synthetic stuff) - $3 per quart or $30/case of 12. Spectro synthetic gear oil (any BMW owners reading this?) - $6 per quart Fog City face shield - $6 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 5 16:07:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22706; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15963; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07962 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-146-132.s132.tnt3.ann.erols.com [207.172.146.132]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27091; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3527E492.1BD5718C@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:07:46 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobacc CC: Dc Cycles Subject: Re: /oil analysis/ References: <0ab001bd60b7$1dbf4d40$3710b1cd@newmicronpc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Us Coasties do this too. I'm glad you reminded me...I'm going to maintain an analysis on my race bike so that I know what the engine is doing. These analysis' can give you a really great advance warning of which parts are wearing within your motor... I used to have a real nifty info sheet that helped you analyze the oil analysis... I'll see if I can't dig it up sometime this week.... Collin > ***Re oil analysis -- any experience here? [FA national L] > >I just came back from Autozone where I bought mobil 1 for the bike going > to switch after reading all the comments here. At the counter they had > a Mobil oil analysis kit to sent your oil to Titan labs in denver to get > it analyzed, picked it up for $10.25. > I know there are a lot of ex navy guys in this group, I was the fuel > king on [an SSN] and we used to send oil samples off > for analysis. Didn't do much with the reports except put them in a > binder. Has anyone had their oil analyzed?< _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 5 18:03:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25720; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16622; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12132 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00898; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust002.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.2]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA12825; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:05:22 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980405215736.0068d750@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 17:57:36 -0400 To: Sean Sullivan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Missing Part Found! Sean, my father-in-law found your missing part while mowing the lawn. When would you like to come and get it? Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 5 18:14:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25830; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16683; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12310 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA13995; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35282C3C.70E7@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:13:32 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: VF/VFR List CC: dc-cycles Subject: VF Reg/Rect Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, Today I noticed that the three yellow wires coming from the regulator/rectifier near the white plastic electrical connector are badly discolored due to excessive heat. The connecting wires from the alternator are also burnt brown and the whole plastic connecting assembly is fused to the wires! When I ran the bike to check it out, the wires (all six of them) got way too hot to touch. There is no way to unplug the wires from each other since it's all basically fried. Is this indicative of a failing regulator/rectifier? (The VF700 "Intereptor" has some 35K miles on the clock). TIA (pls e-mail direct) -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 5 18:27:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25939; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16754; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12464 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1USTa20074; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:25:14 -0500 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: <18c4d035.352804cc@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:25:14 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: MDO MC RIDE IN Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 WE WILL HAVE OUR SPRING RIDEIN BIKE SHOW ON MAY 10 1998 REGISTRATION OF BIKES WILL BE BETWEEN 10AM AND 12PM COST TO REGISTER WILL BE $10.00 AND THAT WILL GET 2 PEOPLE IN AS USUAL.. FOOD AND DRINK WILL BE AVAILABLE AND THE 69 BAND WILL PLAY FROM 12PM TO THE AWARD CEREMONY.. SHOW IS EXPECTED TO CLOSE AT ABOUT 4:30 -5:00 PM COME ON COME ALL THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT ED AND JOHN 15879 redland road rockville, md 20855 (301)948-1704 fax (301)948-1706\ web page url is www.mdomoderncycles.com thanks for the interest ed miller From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 5 19:54:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01993; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17139; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14057 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (207-172-146-132.s132.tnt3.ann.erols.com [207.172.146.132]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA02614 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980405195450.00705358@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:54:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Mail hanging?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Is anyone else out there having Coleen's message hanging up on their server?? I've tried it via two different routes, and it downloads about 2/3 of the message then freezes!?! Arrgh.. Now it's preventing other messages from coming through...ANy thoughts or suggestions? _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 5 21:03:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04360; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17542; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15089 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21767; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:01:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28569; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804060101.VAA28569@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Mail hanging?? To: cfagan@XXXXXX (Collin T. Fagan" ) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980405195450.00705358@mail.geocities.com> from "Collin T. Fagan" " at Apr 5, 98 07:54:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Mine isn't hanging the server, but after the ad for the Aerostich (which I may be calling you about Coleen) it said there was one line left, but scrolled down a long way before I gave up on it. Coleen, what else was posted after the 40L Aerostich? Louis > Is anyone else out there having Coleen's message hanging up on their server?? > > I've tried it via two different routes, and it downloads about 2/3 of the > message then freezes!?! Arrgh.. > Now it's preventing other messages from coming through...ANy thoughts or > suggestions? > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 5 23:29:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06222; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 23:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18216; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 23:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17063 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 23:28:02 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.77.240]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA1798 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 03:27:28 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980405232626.006b5700@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 23:26:26 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: colleen's stuff 4sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Aerostich 2-piece Roadcrafter, blue with black, size 40L. Standard issue blue Aerostich suit with black ballistics and TF2 pads. Excellent condition - never down and not faded. Aerostich catalog lists 'em for $697, this one is $450. Vanson SRX jacket, black, size 42. Sport Rider jacket with inner pockets for optional armor and back protector. Center main zipper, two small rear zippered vents, two inside pockets. Excellent condition. Price from Vanson is $459, this one is $325. Vanson PT pants, black, size 34. High waist jeans with two front hand pockets and two snap close rear pockets. Beautiful one piece legs. No signs of use. Price from Vanson is $359, this pair is $250. Roadgear Oregon Trail jacket, black, size 48. This is a nice clone of Hein Gericke's Dakar jacket. Unused. Lists for $379, this one $250. First Gear Stealth jacket, black, size 40. Used just a few times. 2"x3" US flag patch has been sewn to left shoulder, otherwise this coat is unblemished. $200. AXO dirt boots, black, size 8. Four adjustable buckles close each boot. Some white trim.Worn a lot. $50. Wilsons euro biker style jacket, black, size 38 - $50 Golden Spectro 20/50 (the semi-synthetic stuff) - $3 per quart or $30/case of 12. Spectro synthetic gear oil (any BMW owners reading this?) - $6 per quart Fog City face shield - $6 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 01:25:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA08016; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19760; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19322 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.48] (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 06 Apr 1998 01:23:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Maintenance Party Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 01:25:30 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sorry I missed the event this weekend. Was hoping to lend a hand, but I got mired down in the Ratwing. One fork and one brake line almost totally dry. The other fork and brake line did have a 'fluid' in them. But of dubious benefit. Ditto the rear end. Pulled a few miles worth of light strips off of the luggage today. The ride height should increase by an inch or more due to the lower curb weight:) BTW, anybody have any idea if there is an easy way to put fork caps back on? ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 06:08:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA10531; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA21678; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taz.sec.uulab.net (known [204.177.181.2] [204.177.181.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA22793 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (pierre@localhost) by taz.sec.uulab.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA02206; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 05:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 05:59:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Piergallini X-Sender: pierre@taz Reply-To: pierre@XXXXXX To: George Howell cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Fork Caps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, George Howell wrote: > BTW, anybody have any idea if there is an easy way to put fork caps back > on? > ----------------------------------------------------------- > -George Howell AMA#553567 I used to tie the top triple tree to the roof of the garage with a rope, raising the front of the bike off the floor. This would at least get most of the spring back inside the fork tube, so that way you had much less spring to compress. You could also place phone books under the engine to the point that the front tire is fully lifted off the ground, again allowing most of the spring to slip back into the fork tube. After that it is all muscle... Thomas Piergallini EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX, tompierre@XXXXXX http://www.elkrun.chantilly.va.us From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 07:06:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11231; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21952; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from E-MAIL.COM (known e-mail.com [204.146.168.195]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23273 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IMXGATE.COM by E-MAIL.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 8089; Mon, 06 Apr 98 07:05:15 EDT Received: from LMS01.UNIMAIL.IBM.COM by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Mon, 06 Apr 98 07:02:21 EDT Received: by LMS01.UNIMAIL.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via NOTESPRD id 0039000001419432; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:05:01 +0000 From: "Chris Mancuska (syan)" To: Subject: Rectifryers Message-ID: <0039000001419432000002L022*@MHS> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:05:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had this on my 86 VFR. The plastic connectors corrode internally, get= hot, short circuit and take out your regulator, your battery and then your alternator, in that order. Cut the wires off either side of the connectors, and replace with bulle= ts or your preference. If you caught it in time your reg should be OK. Mine had a crack in wit= h smoke coming out. Hope this helps. Chris M. chris.mancuska@XXXXXX = From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 08:47:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11953; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22429; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from red.uspis.gov (known red-internet.uspis.gov [206.205.134.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24496 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA09360; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:53:44 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'George Howell'" , "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'Jordan, Michael'" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?=27=22=27dc=2Dcycles=40cs=2Eumd=2Eedu=27=22=09=27?= Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:46:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did you give her Jeannette's phone number. :-) >-----Original Message----- >From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] >Sent: Saturday, April 04, 1998 2:02 AM >To: O'Brien, Jeannette; 'Jordan, Michael'; "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" >Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... > >>Something non-sportbike. That's the most common comment I get, "Oh, a >>GIRL on a SPORTbike!!??" > >My brother (why do all of my good stories start like that anymore?) was > >sitting down to lunch at school today (College Park). Looked over, and >saw a somewhat attractive girl with close cut hair (I believe SWMBO >refers to it as an 'elf cut') reading a copy of Sport Rider, and >talking >about her CB1. So my brother thinks 'cute girl, has a bike. What's the >catch?' After a few minutes discussion about bikes, it turns out that >my >brother wasn't her type. Nor me. Nor, apparantly, was anyone who can >pee >standing up. The conversation ended about thirty seconds later. > > > >----------------------------------------------------------- >-George Howell AMA#553567 >ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 >georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 09:50:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12695; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23827; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25981 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cagw1.att.com; Mon Apr 6 09:42 EDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA03633 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6141.423B1A20@XXXXXX>; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:49:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Honda HP4 Oil For sale Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:49:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have 4 Quarts of Honda HP4 semi-synthetic oil for sale. $2.50/qt=20 for a total of $10 for all 4. This is about =BD the retail price. Act=20 now! Contact me and we can discuss delivery etc. Thanks. John Carver '98 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 10:05:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13064; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24328; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26442 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.33] (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:02:54 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 10:05:08 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Clements, Curtis A" , "\"'O'Brien, Jeannette'\" " , "'Jordan, Michael'" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Did you give her Jeannette's phone number. :-) If I had Jeannette's phone number, do you think I'd share it with anyone? (Sorry Tom:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 10:05:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13069; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24322; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26438 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.33] (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:02:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fork Caps Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 10:05:03 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >You could also place phone books under the engine to the point that the >front tire is fully lifted off the ground, again allowing most of the >spring to slip back into the fork tube. Slipped a jack under the engine. And even a little bit of a GL spring requires a lot of force:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 10:14:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13310; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24505; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26750 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA11263 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:13:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA02675 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:13:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980406141306.KTXA493@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:13:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: maintenance X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980406141306.KTXA493@[166.41.242.141]> From: Kerry Walsh Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 13:08:24 +0100 Subject: ST1100: MC Maintenance Survey All, I seek your assistance with a Motorcycle related project that I am researching. If you would point your web browsers to:- you will find a survey form which deals with motorcycle maintenance which should take but a few minutes to complete. I am looking for input from as wide a cross section of motorcyclists as is possible so feel free to cross post this request to any other MC related lists to which you belong. I thank you in advance for your co-operation. =========================================== Kerry M. Walsh. STOC 116, Pan Clan 338, Paneuro 001 http://www.u-wrench.co.uk STarduST - Gloucester, England =========================================== From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 10:29:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13862; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24720; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.crosslink.net (known hermes.crosslink.net [206.246.124.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27559 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8190 invoked from network); 6 Apr 1998 14:27:50 -0000 Received: from dyn02.pm1.leesburg.va.us.crosslink.net (HELO gwf) (206.246.86.98) by hermes.crosslink.net with SMTP; 6 Apr 1998 14:27:50 -0000 From: "Gary Foreman" To: , "George Howell" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Fork Caps Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:30:18 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd6168$860046a0$6256f6ce@gwf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 White Bros. make a real neat stand that slips under the bike, then you step on a lever, and the whole bike raises off the floor. Spent $79 for mine, worth every penny! -----Original Message----- >From: Thomas Piergallini To: George Howell Cc: DC Cycles Date: Monday, April 06, 1998 6:17 AM Subject: Re: Fork Caps >On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, George Howell wrote: >> BTW, anybody have any idea if there is an easy way to put fork caps back >> on? >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> -George Howell AMA#553567 > >I used to tie the top triple tree to the roof of the garage with a rope, >raising the front of the bike off the floor. This would at least get most >of the spring back inside the fork tube, so that way you had much less >spring to compress. > >You could also place phone books under the engine to the point that the >front tire is fully lifted off the ground, again allowing most of the >spring to slip back into the fork tube. > >After that it is all muscle... > > > >Thomas Piergallini >EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX, tompierre@XXXXXX > http://www.elkrun.chantilly.va.us From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 10:56:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14683; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25023; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28503 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02502 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:54:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10573 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804061454.KAA10573@shell.clark.net> Subject: Lock Evaluation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:54:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text FYI: From the LDRider List. Louis --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Seth Miller Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:04:14 -0700 Subject: LDRider: Disk Lock Warning Sorry for the cross-post, but I thought that this info might be of interest to a wide group of riders... The month's issue of Ride Magazine (a British publication, available in several of the larger bookstores in the US) tests most of the common types of motorcycle disk locks. This is part of a series of articles where they have gotten advice from professional thieves and destructively tested many types of locks to see how much protection was really provided by each unit. The recent test determined that the very common 'stapler'-type disk locks (those in the configuration of a long U shape with a locking pin on the open end) were next to useless against anything but the most casual thief. The cheaper cast units were defeated in mere seconds, and even the best ones (forged steel) only lasted 30 seconds at most. (The method used to defeat the locks was a technique involving a chisel, but they did not elaborate on the specific procedure so as not to provide any useful information to aspiring young thieves). It is hard to imagine that the manufacturers of these locks are unaware of how easily they are defeated... but they continue to sell them (to me, for one...). As one of the Ride test reviewers put it, "I might as well bin (throw away) mine...". There were a few models that received good security ratings, but unfortunately most are not available in the US. However, their 'best buy' (and with one of the top security ratings) was the Kryptonite EV disc lock (the padlock style), which is available just about everywhere. However, Kryptonite will happily sell you their stapler-type lock as well... Just an FYI... It's a shame that none of the US publications (with the possible exception of MCN) have the guts to do tests like these... - - Seth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 10:56:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14700; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25051; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28549 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.rolmail.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05454; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rolmail.net ([194.185.250.117]) by smtp.rolmail.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id AAA2019; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:42:41 +0000 Message-ID: <3528E99B.311E913B@rolmail.net> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 16:41:31 +0200 From: "Gamper Walter" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Biker Subject: LIBERTY - THE ORIGINAL BIKER BEER Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E050010D4A737BBAB2DA8DA9" Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. --------------E050010D4A737BBAB2DA8DA9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E1B78BB07240DB697D7D3744" --------------E1B78BB07240DB697D7D3744 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are pleased to show LIBERTY ~ THE ORIGINAL BIKER BEER ~ bottle: 0,33 l. ~ content: special fest beer ~ cardboard: 12 bottles information by e-mail: SPIRIT OF BROTHERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------E1B78BB07240DB697D7D3744 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are pleased to show
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:13:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've still got that silly message hanging on the server, and now a collection is piling up behind it. Does anyone out there know the command(s) to delete a message directly at the server?? I know it can be done.. I read an anti-spam article on it a couple of weeks ago, then promptly forgot about it thinking I'd never need this... Thanks in advance for any help Collin (not-nerdy enough) Collin T. Fagan LTjg, USCG Staff Engineer USCG Marine Safety Center From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 12:34:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17437; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26223; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02061 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id JAA27052; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id JAA07557; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA24445; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:18:44 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA24433; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:18:42 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD613C.F5E5C4D0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:18:28 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'David Sward'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Motorcycle maintenance class Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:12:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 FYI: I just called the MC Dept of Rec and there's only 2 folks registered for the April 24 class and none registered for the May 29 class. They need 8 participants per class or they'll be canceled. Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: David Sward [SMTP:sward@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, March 27, 1998 2:25 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Motorcycle maintenance class > >Hi all, another lurker here. > >If you're as ignorant of motorcycle maintenance as I (*ahem*), the >Montgomery County Department of Recreation is again offering a motorcycle >maintenance class this year. I tried three times last year, but all were >cancelled due to insufficient enrollment. The next class is on April 24 & >25 (Fri & Sat), and I (92 F2, unfortunately for sale) and my brother (78 >KZ200) are signed up. Hopefully, some more from this group can help make >it happen. > >The info from the course catalog: > >[cut] > >Motorcycle Maintenance >Ages 16 & up: Course is geared to both novice and serious >maintenance-minded riders. Includes tune-ups and lubrication, adjustment >and replacement of key suspension and safety equipment, etc. Motorcycle >and tools provided. You will be able to work on your own motorcycle on >Sat. $15 materials fee due instructor at first session. Classes taught >by David Paull of The Right Track. Registration deadline is one week >prior to the start of each class. > >13 Hours: 6-10pm Fri., 8am-5pm Sat. $63 MOTORCYC >001 Lincoln Ctr. Rockville Paull 4/24 F,Sa 6:00pm >002 Lincoln Ctr. Rockville Paull 5/29 F,Sa 6:00pm > >[cut] > >You can pick up a copy of the catalog from any Montgomery County library. >Out of county residents are welcome, but there is an additional fee >(sorry, the fee info was on the registration form that was mailed in). > >-- >David Sward sward@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 13:08:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18068; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26708; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03400 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id ABA31ED00F8; Mon, 06 Apr 1998 13:06:43 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980406125913.00ffdcc0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 12:59:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Lock Evaluation In-Reply-To: <199804061454.KAA10573@shell.clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:54 AM 4/6/98 -0400, Louis F. Caplan wrote: >The month's issue of Ride Magazine (a British publication, available in several >of the larger bookstores in the US) tests most of the common types of >motorcycle disk locks. This is part of a series of articles where they have >gotten advice from professional thieves and destructively tested many types of >locks to see how much protection was really provided by each unit. > >The recent test determined that the very common 'stapler'-type disk locks >(those in the configuration of a long U shape with a locking pin on the open >end) were next to useless against anything but the most casual thief. The >cheaper cast units were defeated in mere seconds, and even the best ones >(forged steel) only lasted 30 seconds at most. I had a friend who started to ride off with a Kryptonite u-shaped "stapler-type" lock on his rear wheel. The lock just broke. The rear wheel was fine. Not very confidence-inspiring! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 13:59:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19172; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27863; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NORCOM2.NORCOM.NET (known norcom2.norcom.net [207.238.14.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05291 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by norcom2.norcom.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:01:26 -0400 Message-ID: <816B10A8C89FD011AE0700A0C92C8CFF124845@norcom2.norcom.net> From: Oswald Maseda To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Remove from mail list! Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:01:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Due to high volume of messages at my office, I must cancel my subscription! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 16:54:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23848; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01663; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13142 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:52:04 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.76.180]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA26269 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:51:26 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980406165051.006a1cc4@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 16:50:51 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 78 GS1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Y'all-- My friend is considering buying a 78 GS1000. I've never had a Suzook; do they still have parts for these old bikes? I know Honda had virtually every part for my 73 CB750. Any thoughts on this bike? It's got bags, 17K miles, garaged, new tires and battery, claimed excellent condition. $900. I don't know if it's a GS1000-(some letter here) or what. Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 18:12:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25629; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02731; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15650 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA00736; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35297D20.6692@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 18:10:56 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: VF/VFR List CC: dc-cycles Subject: VF Reg/Rect Problem Rectified ;) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings, Thanks to all of you who were kind enough to respond to my fried wire problem. The consensus was that dirt/grime in the 3-p electrical connector was the culprit. I snipped the wires a bit, spliced and soldered and ... voilà - good as new ! No replacement of the reg/rect needed yet! Thanks again, -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 00:34:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01466; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07597; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23533 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA23504; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:40:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:40:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Louis F. Caplan" cc: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Lock Evaluation In-Reply-To: <199804061454.KAA10573@shell.clark.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: Seth Miller > Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:04:14 -0700 ... > The recent test determined that the very common 'stapler'-type disk locks > (those in the configuration of a long U shape with a locking pin on the open > end) were next to useless against anything but the most casual thief. The > cheaper cast units were defeated in mere seconds, and even the best ones > (forged steel) only lasted 30 seconds at most. (The method used to defeat the > locks was a technique involving a chisel, but they did not elaborate on the > specific procedure so as not to provide any useful information to aspiring > young thieves). ...> > It's a shame that none of the US publications (with the possible exception of > MCN) have the guts to do tests like these... > Curiously, I believe that MCN's testing found that the EMGO pin lock, which sounds like your 'stapler' lock, tied for hardest-to-defeat and was their Best Value (or whatever they call it). --garcia "There is luxury in self-reproach. When we blame ourselves, we feel no one else has a right to blame us." Oscar Wilde From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 00:58:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01740; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07739; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23764 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.31] (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:56:36 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Lock Evaluation Date: Tue, 7 Apr 98 00:58:47 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Garcia Oliver" cc: "DC-Cycles List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Curiously, I believe that MCN's testing found that the EMGO pin lock, >which sounds like your 'stapler' lock, tied for hardest-to-defeat and was >their Best Value (or whatever they call it). In the RiDE test, I believe that all they had to do with any of the stapler type locks was to stick in a pry bar, and give a good push or hit with a hammer. Problem is that the staplers were castings, not forgings. I bought a Kryptonite EV. Motorcycle is still outside:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 01:26:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02041; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA08115; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA24034 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1NOEa07411 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:24:18 -0500 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: <173ac7e1.3529b884@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:24:18 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re:Lock Evaluation Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 When it comes down to it, any lock or antitheft device is only a deterent. If a lock can be put on, it can be taken off. and alarms are great for making noise if messed with, but are you going to here it? Most people who steal bikes profesionally dont bother hotwiring bikes, they load them into trucks and drive off, where they cantake there time disecting locks, etc. These are just my opinions, Ive been putting alarms on motorcycles for about 6 months now and to be honest, the only thing they are good for is making sure nobody sits on your bike while your not there. Sean Ride Free From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 02:24:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02514; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 02:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA08776; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 02:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA24718 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 02:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.31] (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Tue, 07 Apr 1998 02:22:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re:Lock Evaluation Date: Tue, 7 Apr 98 02:24:37 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "CloudsAbv9" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Ive been putting alarms on motorcycles for about 6 months >now and to be honest, the only thing they are good for is making sure nobody >sits on your bike while your not there. For me, that's almost worth the price of an alarm. Luckily, my bikes are generally viewed as 'eyesores' (despite the roundel on one of them) so I don't have this problem. Your average Harley owner, however... ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 08:22:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05056; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10925; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net (known zip1.ziplink.net [206.15.168.18]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28524 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA12339 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:20:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Julie and/or Mark Holm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Northern VA MSF course 6/14/98 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We still have quite a number of empty slots in the Northern Virginia area MSF Experienced Rider Course I am organizing here at NVCC Loudoun. Facts: Sunday, June 14. All Day (9 - 5 ish) AT Northern Virginia Community College in Sterling Virginia (off Rte 7) Bring your bike, helmet, gloves, boots, jacket at a minimum. Cost is $55 To register, send a check with your Name, Address, SSN, work and home phone to: Julie Holm 9617 Verdict Drive Vienna, VA 22181-3269. Several people have e-mailed me telling me they want me to save a space, but never sent me a registration check. YOU ARE NOT REGISTERED UNLESS YOU SEND ME A CHECK. I'll be mailing out the class registration on April 15. This is a wonderful opportunity to hone those skills, taught by one of our own! Thanks. You can e-mail me for more information Julie From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 08:49:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05303; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11188; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29009 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA04404 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 05:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352A2022.E6C73209@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:46:26 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: hangmail fixed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, maybe I'm more of a nerd than I thought I was..... Yesterday I was sitting here pondering my situation, when I started thinking.. hmm what if I teletype into the server and delete it directly.. Well, I was sooo close yet so far...and unfortunately the mail that suggested to "telnet" didn't come in to my work account till after I'd gone home. I did end up stumbling across it on my own though and all is well. Thanks for those that offered suggestions. Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 08:58:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05457; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11303; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29239 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA07983 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 05:56:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352A223D.6A866226@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:55:26 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Franken Thumper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I mentioned before that I had heard of someone doing it..... Take a look at this web page. I'm basically planning on creating the same thing, only with an EX500 parallel twin motor instead of a big thumper (and no motor mods....yet). Does anyone on the list have a welder??? I need to relocate the lower motor mounts out wider to fit the bigger motor, and I need to fabricate a quasi downtube to the front motor mount. The project, and racing for that matter, may be put on hold for a bit though...the wife really hosed up our finances, so I'm not sure where I stand with anything right now :( :( :( (anyone got any part time jobs for a mechanical engineer/computer nerd wannabe he he he) Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 09:11:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05715; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11448; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29728 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD6203.FB2594D0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:03:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Franken Thumper Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:03:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey... I'm in need of a welder also to take care of some mods on the VFR. Tom '86 VFR750F >-----Original Message----- >From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 8:55 AM >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Franken Thumper > >Well, I mentioned before that I had heard of someone doing it..... Take >a look at this web page. I'm basically planning on creating the same >thing, only with an EX500 parallel twin motor instead of a big thumper >(and no motor mods....yet). >Does anyone on the list have a welder??? I need to relocate the lower >motor mounts out wider to fit the bigger motor, and I need to fabricate >a quasi downtube to the front motor mount. > >The project, and racing for that matter, may be put on hold for a bit >though...the wife really hosed up our finances, so I'm not sure where I >stand with anything right now :( :( :( >(anyone got any part time jobs for a mechanical engineer/computer nerd >wannabe he he he) > >Collin > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 09:51:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06146; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11756; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00809 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA06172; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:53:41 -0400 Message-ID: <352A2EEF.5BDB696A@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 09:49:35 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Franken Thumper References: <352A223D.6A866226@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Web page ? ? ? which web page? Add me to the list of welder-challenged people. I've got a fuel tank that I'd love to have enlarged to between 8 and 11 gallons. At 53 mpg, 10 gallons will take me . . . all the way to Deal's Gap! Leon. Collin T. Fagan wrote: > > Well, I mentioned before that I had heard of someone doing it..... Take > a look at this web page. I'm basically planning on creating the same > thing, only with an EX500 parallel twin motor instead of a big thumper > (and no motor mods....yet). > Does anyone on the list have a welder??? I need to relocate the lower > motor mounts out wider to fit the bigger motor, and I need to fabricate > a quasi downtube to the front motor mount. > > The project, and racing for that matter, may be put on hold for a bit > though...the wife really hosed up our finances, so I'm not sure where I > stand with anything right now :( :( :( > (anyone got any part time jobs for a mechanical engineer/computer nerd > wannabe he he he) > > Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 10:10:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06429; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11962; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itm07.itmassociates.com (known [207.154.22.7] [207.154.22.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01263 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itm04.itmassociates.com ([207.154.22.4]) by itm07.itmassociates.com (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 852565DF.004DC78B; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:09:33 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980407140835.009622d4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: us004937@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:08:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Space Subject: RE: Franken Thumper I have a Weld-pac 100,like at Home Depot, WITHOUT the inert gas setup. I have used it for about 2 years restoring a 74 Bronco. I was doing mostly body patch work. I have not taken any classes or anything, but depending on the material thickness, amount of rust in my case, etc. my welds looked okay. Later Rob Space 86 VF500 At 09:03 AM 4/7/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hey... I'm in need of a welder also to take care of some mods on the >VFR. > >Tom >'86 VFR750F > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 8:55 AM >>To: dc-cycles >>Subject: Franken Thumper >> >>Well, I mentioned before that I had heard of someone doing it..... Take >>a look at this web page. I'm basically planning on creating the same >>thing, only with an EX500 parallel twin motor instead of a big thumper >>(and no motor mods....yet). >>Does anyone on the list have a welder??? I need to relocate the lower >>motor mounts out wider to fit the bigger motor, and I need to fabricate >>a quasi downtube to the front motor mount. >> >>The project, and racing for that matter, may be put on hold for a bit >>though...the wife really hosed up our finances, so I'm not sure where I >>stand with anything right now :( :( :( >>(anyone got any part time jobs for a mechanical engineer/computer nerd >>wannabe he he he) >> >>Collin >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 10:26:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06636; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12063; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail3.geocities.com [209.1.224.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01624 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA26027; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352A36C4.34971D84@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:23:01 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Franken Thumper References: <352A223D.6A866226@geocities.com> <352A2EEF.5BDB696A@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Duh... I did it again.. how bout I actually paste in the url this time.... http://www.teleport.com/~jearls/ru97.html Leon Begeman wrote: > Web page ? ? ? which web page? -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 10:27:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06650; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12072; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01660 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA13553; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:25:16 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C97@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Gorgeous Morning Ride... Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:26:12 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Anyone else ride in today? It makes the commute a bit more tolerable when riding in on such a perfect morning... - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 10:32:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06768; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12152; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01846 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1GZLa01114 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:31:03 -0500 (EDT) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <43f19ad1.352a38a9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:31:03 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: NOTHIN' LIKE ADRENALINE IN THE MORNING Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 This actually happened yesterday but I didn't have time to report....... I am merging ONto the freeway, I wait until the TWO right lanes are clear because this particular stretch of freeway has the most vicious and evil drivers I've ever seen......I go, on my right is a cement wall, on my left is five lanes of traffic (the two closest to me currently empty) in front of me is my lane which is ending very shortly, forcing me to merge left ....... I look over my left shoulder to check one more time to make sure the lanes are still clear and RIGHT NEXT TO ME (on my left), NOT 6 INCHES AWAY, is a large SUV, a woman in it, LOOKING AT ME, I hit the brakes and she accelerated (thank god) and boy was i hopped up then .......I don't know where in h$#l she came from.......... she must have cut across three lanes of traffic in about a second ....... argh@! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 10:33:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06780; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12165; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01855 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 245 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:31:04 -0400 Message-ID: <352A38E5.EB8884EC@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:32:05 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: FrankenTanker References: <352A223D.6A866226@geocities.com> <352A2EEF.5BDB696A@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > Add me to the list of welder-challenged people. I've got a fuel tank > that I'd love to have enlarged to between 8 and 11 gallons. At 53 mpg, > 10 gallons will take me . . . all the way to Deal's Gap! > Leon, And to think you spent all that time re-doing your windscreen on the John Deere. Just how high would an 10 gallon tank sit? You just might be able to see over the top, no? Actually I'm surprised how big the tank is on the Concours, it doesn't seem that big when you are on the bike. And I've noticed that it takes a LONG time to put in 7 something gallons at the pump when you can't just set the latch and walk away like I do on my cage. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours (now I can rev to 6k rpm, much more fun!) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 10:37:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06824; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12235; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01968 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA21847 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:35:53 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:35:53 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Gorgeous Morning Ride... Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:38:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 18 TEXT Mais certainment! Although 'twas a tad brisk (30ish at the house) Michael J. >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 10:26 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Gorgeous Morning Ride... > >Anyone else ride in today? It makes the commute a bit more tolerable >when riding in on such a perfect morning... > >- Jeannette > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 10:43:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06945; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12377; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02131 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA18479; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:41:19 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C9A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Jinn Sinn'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: NOTHIN' LIKE ADRENALINE IN THE MORNING Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:42:17 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Some people should not be driving those urban assault vehicles! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Jinn Sinn [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 10:31 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: NOTHIN' LIKE ADRENALINE IN THE MORNING > > This actually happened yesterday but I didn't have time to > report....... > I am merging ONto the freeway, I wait until the TWO right lanes are > clear > because this particular stretch of freeway has the most vicious and > evil > drivers I've ever seen......I go, on my right is a cement wall, on my > left is > five lanes of traffic (the two closest to me currently empty) in front > of me > is my lane which is ending very shortly, forcing me to merge left > ....... I > look over my left shoulder to check one more time to make sure the > lanes are > still clear and RIGHT NEXT TO ME (on my left), NOT 6 INCHES AWAY, is a > large > SUV, a woman in it, LOOKING AT ME, I hit the brakes and she > accelerated (thank > god) and boy was i hopped up then .......I don't know where in h$#l > she came > from.......... she must have cut across three lanes of traffic in > about a > second ....... argh@! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 10:45:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06980; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12403; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02170 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA27249; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352A3B53.E2F6E849@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:42:27 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jinn Sinn CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NOTHIN' LIKE ADRENALINE IN THE MORNING References: <43f19ad1.352a38a9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This sounds like the 495 to 95 interchange heading south right there at Franconia. Every time I've been through there, no matter what time of day, I see on average three very near misses. Last time I was down there I saw a little econo box try to merge underneath an 18 wheeler. The little thing missed by inches going under the mid-body of the trailer... Not sure how you miss seeing something that big, but the intersection as a whole is real nasty Jinn Sinn wrote: > because this particular stretch of freeway has the most vicious and evil > drivers I've ever seen......-- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 10:47:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07035; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12456; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02226 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA19285; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:44:27 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C9B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Gorgeous Morning Ride... Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:45:25 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I am DEFINITELY a cold-weather rider. The present temperatures suit me just fine. Please, no flames!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 10:38 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Gorgeous Morning Ride... > > Mais certainment! > > Although 'twas a tad brisk (30ish at the house) > > Michael J. > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 10:26 > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Gorgeous Morning Ride... > > > >Anyone else ride in today? It makes the commute a bit more tolerable > >when riding in on such a perfect morning... > > > >- Jeannette > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 10:50:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07090; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12536; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02358 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA29961; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352A3C9C.CA3432A0@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:47:57 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Franken Thumper References: <352A223D.6A866226@geocities.com> <352A2EEF.5BDB696A@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What about an older ZX11 or GPZ tank??? Don't they hold around 7 or 8 gallons??? Maybe one of them would match up fairly easy to the 250? Fuel tank metal is a little too thin for my very limited welding abilities. Leon Begeman wrote: > At 53 mpg, > 10 gallons will take me . . . all the way to Deal's Gap! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 11:06:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07448; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12825; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02755 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA06885 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA13859 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:04:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980407150438.XMQC18677@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:04:38 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: FW: Gorgeous Morning Ride... Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:04:39 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bd6236$7cae5dc0$3b5420a6@LJTanner.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Every morning. And it was very nice, until my new throttlemeister came off in my right hand - at speed. It was an interesting problem - trying to stop using the rear brake only and not being able to put down both feet as I usually do. Mission accomplished. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (feeling pale) -----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [mailto:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 10:26 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Gorgeous Morning Ride... Anyone else ride in today? It makes the commute a bit more tolerable when riding in on such a perfect morning... - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 11:08:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07478; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12904; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02844 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 366; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:06:02 -0400 Message-ID: <352A4117.324C95F4@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:07:03 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gorgeous Morning Ride... References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C97@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Anyone else ride in today? It makes the commute a bit more tolerable > when riding in on such a perfect morning... > > - Jeannette This morning was sweet. Of course, being able to rev past 4k (part one of the Connie's break in is now over) was even sweeter! :-) Another 500 miles, and I won't be limited to 6k rpm, either, then I will truly be a menace to society! Evil Hooligan Laugh: "MwaaaHaaaaHaaaHaaa!" :-) Uhh, I hope Tracy doesn't read this. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 11:15:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07584; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13036; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03071 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVL3BGL7SW8ZL7KW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:07:27 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:05:29 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:05:29 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:05:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Franken Thumper In-reply-to: <352A3C9C.CA3432A0@geocities.com> To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1123IIC2DKPY X400-MTS-identifier: [;92501170408991/2507928@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >What about an older ZX11 or GPZ tank??? Don't they hold around 7 or 8 >gallons??? Maybe one of them would match up fairly easy to the 250? >Fuel tank metal is a little too thin for my very limited welding >abilities. Or how about doing something like Frank Perdicaro did with his Hawk (note that this page has lots of pics of Frank working on the tank): http://www.dsea.com/~frank/tank.html Freaky. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 11:19:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07628; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13203; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03236 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD6215.F039FF90@XXXXXX>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:11:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , "'Leon Begeman'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Franken Thumper Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:11:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AND A QUICK REMINDER..... Gas has to BOILED out of tanks, etc. or otherwise go BOOM!!!! If anyone is really considering such a project... take it to a radiator shop or something like that. -Tom Mr. Safety >-----Original Message----- >From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 10:48 AM >To: Leon Begeman >Cc: dc-cycles >Subject: Re: Franken Thumper > >What about an older ZX11 or GPZ tank??? Don't they hold around 7 or 8 >gallons??? Maybe one of them would match up fairly easy to the 250? >Fuel tank metal is a little too thin for my very limited welding abilities. > >Leon Begeman wrote: > >> At 53 mpg, >> 10 gallons will take me . . . all the way to Deal's Gap! > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 11:19:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07639; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13219; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03245 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 488; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:17:20 -0400 Message-ID: <352A43B9.F9F799DA@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:18:17 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List CC: Leon Begeman , "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Connie Convoy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks like I'll get to try out the new bike on a long trip this weekend! We'll all be heading to Pennsylvania Friday night to my parent's house for Easter. Tracy and the kids will be in the official DC-Cycles-Deals Gap chase cage, and my father in law will be behind them in his van (he's got a load of junk to take to his house in PA, - great since it all won't be cluttering up my backyard anymore! :-) 340 miles, assuming we go the short way. At first I was bummed that I wouldn't be doing at least a 400 mile day, then I realized that I'd be riding to and from work too! That's 60 miles easily if I go out for lunch or get lost on the way home. Can't wait to hit the road. I'm curious to see what a 400 mile day feels like. Wish me luck! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours (chomping at the bit...) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 11:20:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07650; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13227; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03256 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA26064 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:18:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA29103 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:18:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980407151827.XTIC18677@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:18:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NOTHIN' LIKE ADRENALINE IN THE MORNING X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980407151827.XTIC18677@[166.41.242.141]> He, he, he. No matter how you approach this interchange, you're screwed. But the civil engineers have been busily pushing a plan (plate) of spagetti in front of the highway planning authorities. Apparently that interchange isn't nearly the mess it could be. Seems the ce's want to expand the whole thing to 21(!) lanes across which would require the raising of around 12 homes and will take over 12 years to complete! I've seen the plans, and they make the roadway look like spagetti! Todd Collin Wrote: >This sounds like the 495 to 95 interchange heading south right there at >Franconia. Every time I've been through there, no matter what time of day, >I see >on average three very near misses. Last time I was down there I saw a little >econo box try to merge underneath an 18 wheeler. The little thing missed by >inches going under the mid-body of the trailer... Not sure how you miss seeing >something that big, but the intersection as a whole is real nasty > >Jinn Sinn wrote: > >> because this particular stretch of freeway has the most vicious and evil >> drivers I've ever seen......-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 11:30:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07892; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13534; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03641 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA28521 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:29:25 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:29:25 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Gorgeous Morning Ride... Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:31:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 13 TEXT >I am DEFINITELY a cold-weather rider. The present temperatures suit me just fine. The good thing about cold weather is that one can wear sufficient protective clothing without melting away. Nothing beats sitting at a stop light in traffic in August with a full face helmet, leather, boots and gloves. Yummy!! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 11:37:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07990; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13638; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03792 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD6218.7D624010@XXXXXX>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:29:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: NOTHIN' LIKE ADRENALINE IN THE MORNING Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:29:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From what I heard yesterday from a friend who lives in that neighborhood... they've already begun buying up the homes there.... A friend of my friend got a VERY nice settlement from the state on their property. -Tom >-----Original Message----- >From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 11:08 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: NOTHIN' LIKE ADRENALINE IN THE MORNING > > >He, he, he. No matter how you approach this interchange, you're screwed. >But the civil engineers have been busily pushing a plan (plate) of >spagetti in front of the highway planning authorities. Apparently >that interchange isn't nearly the mess it could be. Seems the ce's >want to expand the whole thing to 21(!) lanes across which would require >the raising of around 12 homes and will take over 12 years to complete! >I've seen the plans, and they make the roadway look like spagetti! > >Todd > >Collin Wrote: >>This sounds like the 495 to 95 interchange heading south right there at >>Franconia. Every time I've been through there, no matter what time of day, >>I see >>on average three very near misses. Last time I was down there I saw a >>little >>econo box try to merge underneath an 18 wheeler. The little thing missed by >>inches going under the mid-body of the trailer... Not sure how you miss >>seeing >>something that big, but the intersection as a whole is real nasty >> >>Jinn Sinn wrote: >> >>> because this particular stretch of freeway has the most vicious and evil >>> drivers I've ever seen......-- > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 12:37:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09426; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14883; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05797 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A5C51BD00DC; Tue, 07 Apr 1998 12:35:20 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980407122448.00ebdb70@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 12:24:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Gorgeous Morning Ride... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C97@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:26 AM 4/7/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Anyone else ride in today? It makes the commute a bit more tolerable >when riding in on such a perfect morning... > >- Jeannette :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 12:37:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09430; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14885; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05800 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A5CA1BD00DC; Tue, 07 Apr 1998 12:35:22 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980407123023.00efa350@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 12:30:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Franken Thumper In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" How do you boil gas out of tanks? I've cleaned tanks then let them sit for a couple days to properly air out. I've heard of filling them with water, with the to-be-welded area at the top, so there's no room for explosive fumes. One guy told me to hook the tank to an exhaust pipe - no explosive fumes, but don't do that in an enclosed space! Chris ************************************************** At 11:11 AM 4/7/98 -0400, you wrote: >AND A QUICK REMINDER..... > >Gas has to BOILED out of tanks, etc. or otherwise go BOOM!!!! > >If anyone is really considering such a project... take it to a radiator >shop or something like that. > >-Tom >Mr. Safety > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 10:48 AM >>To: Leon Begeman >>Cc: dc-cycles >>Subject: Re: Franken Thumper >> >>What about an older ZX11 or GPZ tank??? Don't they hold around 7 or 8 >>gallons??? Maybe one of them would match up fairly easy to the 250? >>Fuel tank metal is a little too thin for my very limited welding abilities. >> >>Leon Begeman wrote: >> >>> At 53 mpg, >>> 10 gallons will take me . . . all the way to Deal's Gap! >> >> >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 12:38:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09460; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14905; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (known italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05845 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (ip181.herndon24.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.176.181]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13254 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352A56FF.A5DDC213@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 12:40:31 -0400 From: "R. K. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Battery charging question References: <199804062300.TAA03196@tove.cs.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently bought a battery charger--1 amp and trickle charge--at a garage sale which means no owners manual. Should I hook up the negative wire to the battery or to the frame? Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 12:59:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09730; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15190; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06402 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD6223.F19827A0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:51:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Franken Thumper Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:51:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Radiator shops usually drop the tank in a corrosive vat that cleans out everything rendering the piece free of all foreign material... take it to radiator shop and have it cleaned. Cleaning with water in not sufficent enough. -Tom >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 12:30 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Franken Thumper > >How do you boil gas out of tanks? > >I've cleaned tanks then let them sit for a couple days to properly air out. > I've heard of filling them with water, with the to-be-welded area at the >top, so there's no room for explosive fumes. > >One guy told me to hook the tank to an exhaust pipe - no explosive fumes, >but don't do that in an enclosed space! > >Chris >************************************************** >At 11:11 AM 4/7/98 -0400, you wrote: >>AND A QUICK REMINDER..... >> >>Gas has to BOILED out of tanks, etc. or otherwise go BOOM!!!! >> >>If anyone is really considering such a project... take it to a radiator >>shop or something like that. >> >>-Tom >>Mr. Safety >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >>>Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 10:48 AM >>>To: Leon Begeman >>>Cc: dc-cycles >>>Subject: Re: Franken Thumper >>> >>>What about an older ZX11 or GPZ tank??? Don't they hold around 7 or 8 >>>gallons??? Maybe one of them would match up fairly easy to the 250? >>>Fuel tank metal is a little too thin for my very limited welding abilities. >>> >>>Leon Begeman wrote: >>> >>>> At 53 mpg, >>>> 10 gallons will take me . . . all the way to Deal's Gap! >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 13:00:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09769; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15206; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06431 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA12050; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:01:50 -0400 Message-ID: <352A5B06.1EC4B698@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 12:57:42 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: Jinn Sinn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NOTHIN' LIKE ADRENALINE IN THE MORNING References: <43f19ad1.352a38a9@aol.com> <352A3B53.E2F6E849@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin T. Fagan wrote: > > This sounds like the 495 to 95 interchange heading south right there at > Franconia. Every time I've been through there, no matter what time of day, I see > on average three very near misses. Three near misses per pass sounds about right on average, I get narrowly missed by about three cars every day in that area. There seem to be two viable lines through it. For the timid, stay to the right, move one lane left and go through the exit lane for Old Keene Mill and Franconia Roads, merge left onto I-95 south after passing both of the exits. For those who are addicted to adrenaline, take the far left line. Merge left as often and as early as possible. This keeps the speed up, and gets clear of those who make last second decisions to move either left or right. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 13:05:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09882; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15319; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06646 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA12209; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:07:43 -0400 Message-ID: <352A5C68.C855EF57@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 13:03:36 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster CC: DC Cycles List , "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Connie Convoy References: <352A43B9.F9F799DA@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It hurts so good when you stop. Good luck. Leon. horkster wrote: > > Can't wait to hit the road. I'm curious to see what a 400 mile > day feels like. Wish me luck! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 13:28:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10144; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15623; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07305 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA17380 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:27:16 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:27:16 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Franken Thumper Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:29:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 18 TEXT >Radiator shops usually drop the tank in a corrosive vat that cleans out >everything rendering the piece free of all foreign material... take it >to radiator shop and have it cleaned. Be aware that "foreign material" also applies to paint. I had a shop do this to a '66 BSA tank back in '68. The original intent was to clean out the inside so we could do some repair work (involving a torch) to the petcock - the shop guy mentioned that he'd have to be careful not to get any on the paint, as it would eat it right off. As I was getting ready to sand the tank down prior to repainting, I asked him to dunk the whole thing. After about 2 hours, the tank came out with just a small speck of paint remaining (5 seconds with a thumbnail took care of it). Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 13:37:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10382; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15735; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07647 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA13140; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:39:54 -0400 Message-ID: <352A63F3.D0403809@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 13:35:47 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "R. K. Dow" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Battery charging question References: <199804062300.TAA03196@tove.cs.umd.edu> <352A56FF.A5DDC213@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes. The black wire should be connected to one or the other. Frame, if battery is mounted in and connected to bike. Negative terminal, if battery is on garage floor and not connected to anything else. Red wire always goes to positive terminal on battery. R. K. Dow wrote: > > I recently bought a battery charger--1 amp and trickle charge--at a garage sale which means no owners > manual. Should I hook up the negative wire to the battery or to the frame? > > Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 15:38:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13030; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17158; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12440 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id MAA24299; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id KAA21201; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA04902; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:25:32 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA04898; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:25:31 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD620F.754FAFB0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:25:16 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Speedvision chanel on cable Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:20:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Just passing this along . . . . 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Thanks Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 22:14:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19428; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29208; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22867 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt.erols.com (207-172-41-75.s75.tnt10.brd.erols.com [207.172.41.75]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA03876 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804080213.WAA03876@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: Subject: Sat. Ride to Summit Pt. Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:11:39 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone interested in joining me (96 F3) and my buddy Kevin (91 VFR 750) on a ride to Summit Point to catch the races on Saturday? We prefer to go with riders who are willing to travel at a "brisk" pace. At this time we plan to depart from the Springfield, VA area around 10:30 a.m. Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 22:38:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19663; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29345; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23192 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p174.smart.net [206.97.127.174]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA30889; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:37:11 -0400 Message-ID: <352AE1E2.FD002A19@smart.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 22:33:07 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Roy D. Turner" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sat. Ride to Summit Pt. References: <199804080213.WAA03876@smtp2.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Count me in, Roy. "Brisk" pace sounds perfect. Roy D. Turner wrote: > Anyone interested in joining me (96 F3) and my buddy Kevin (91 VFR 750) on > a ride to Summit Point to catch the races on Saturday? We prefer to go > with riders who are willing to travel at a "brisk" pace. At this time we > plan to depart from the Springfield, VA area around 10:30 a.m. Roy D. > Turner, Esq. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX '94 ZX-11 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 23:08:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19988; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29564; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23586 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.49] (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 07 Apr 1998 23:05:55 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Tue, 7 Apr 98 23:08:11 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Drove to work today. SWMBO did not provide the option of taking the bike. But tomorrow is Wednesday, and rain, sleet, or snow, that's bike day. After making the deposit at the bank, was heading north on Rt. 301 to Waldorf. It widens up to three lanes. I got over to the far left lane to get around a few trucks, and two HD FL's. As I got close to my right hand turn (about 1 1/2 miles away) I started moving ot the right. Except.... Those jerks on the HDs were there. I drive a Miata. And I'm a big boy. There's no way I'd not be seen checking my blind spot (something I always do, and do it three or four times when I know there's a bike around). But one of the FLs was parked in my blind spot. Saw me check my blind spot (top was down. My big noggin was quite visible if he was paying the slightest attention.) and this guy didn't back off. Turned on turn signal. Head check. Ignored. By now, I'm getting really close (3/4 mile) to my turn, so I had to tailgate the guy in front of me in order to get around the HDs. (couldn't brake and pull in behind them. Quite the traffic back up behind them.) Is it any wonder that cagers frequently have their sights set for us when these two inconsiderate boobs (need I mention the beanie helmets?) do something like this? FWIW, one of these guys (the older looking one) seemed to be having quite a bit of trouble at the two stop lights we were at. His bike also had temp tags. Can anyone say RUBBIE??? Now, if they irked another half dozen cagers, they've screwed it up for everyone. Me, I know that they were either RUBBIES or true 1%'ers. Either way, they are pricks who are detrimental to our WOL. Glad I got that out. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 01:17:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21827; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02711; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25831 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA22769; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:24:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:24:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: George Howell cc: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Lock Evaluation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, George Howell wrote: > >Curiously, I believe that MCN's testing found that the EMGO pin lock, > >which sounds like your 'stapler' lock, tied for hardest-to-defeat and was > >their Best Value (or whatever they call it). > > In the RiDE test, I believe that all they had to do with any of the > stapler type locks was to stick in a pry bar, and give a good push or hit > with a hammer. Problem is that the staplers were castings, not forgings. The EMGO pin is near the opening, so not much room for prying. It also requires a drilled brake rotor. I'll look for the MCN report and see if they tried breaking it that way. > > I bought a Kryptonite EV. Motorcycle is still outside:) So is mine----last time I looked. 8^) --garcia "Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims he intends to eat until he eats them." --Samuel Butler From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 04:00:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA23279; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 04:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA03576; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 03:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA27974 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 03:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1DTGa07410 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 03:58:29 -0500 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 03:58:29 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_892022309_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_892022309_boundary Content-ID: <0_892022309@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_892022309_boundary Content-ID: <0_892022309@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: CloudsAbv9 Return-path: To: ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 03:57:53 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit You are absolutley right, but I wish more people would check blind spots. Not to mention perfectly visable spots. While coming home from the mounting party at leons I was almost run off the road twice. The first time I was in the middle lane and a 2 door coupe with a ladder strapped to the roof pulled in behind me from the slow lane. The ladder he was toting was protruding off the front of the vehicle to the extent where it almost clipped my helmet. I mean, cmon people... this is scary. And the second involved a brand new 4 door cage who seemed indulged in his conversation on his car phone. he didnt bother to signal or look and came right over at me in the slow lane. I was on the shoulder and he was more than half way in my lane before backing off and realizing what was going on. If these are the risks involved with dc-cycles gatherings, then count me out.(j/k). Well, thats my two cents. Sean P. Ride Free --part0_892022309_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 08:08:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24957; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10112; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01954 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cagw1.att.com; Wed Apr 8 08:00 EDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA15772 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD62C5.4CF55DB0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:06:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Weld . . . BOOM! Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:06:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My dad told me about welding the gas tank from his, (still has it with > 70k miles), '79 Bonneville Brougham. He filled the entire 26(?) gallon tank up with water except for the last little air pocket in the filler neck. Even with only this small area left it *still* blew up!! He managed not to, DUH, get hurt. I can't remember what happened since I was only 9 or so at the time but, he won't be doing that again. In a word, becareful!! John Carver From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 08:40:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25160; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10278; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (known sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02504 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA03826 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xcgca007.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.78]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA22506 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGCA007 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <2LQQ2PZZ>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:39:21 -0700 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B75@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'CloudsAbv9'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:36:03 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, it's kinda strange how that works. Example: A couple of nights ago, I was coming back from the SO's place (in Alex.) and she was following me in her car. I got cut off once by a car accelerating and pulling in from of me when he was in the right turn only lane, and I had a guy get to a 4-way stop across from me and waaay after me. As soon as I started to move he accelerated (deliberately) and turned left in front of me. It was a CLASSIC example of the "I'm bigger, you won't hit me" mindset of driving The funny thing was when we got to my place, she got out of her car and said "Wow tough ride home, you got cut off and almost hit ..." I just looked at her confused and said "huh?" and she mentioned the guy that cut me off and the guy at the stop sign. I replied "Oh yeah I guess I did" and she couldn't believe that it didn't faze me. I guess that a) I am getting desensitized to it, and b) I am fortunate enough to be able to let it go and not ruin what otherwise, was a beautiful dusk ride in 68 deg weather. :-) --chris (rolling with, but still ducking, the punches) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: CloudsAbv9[SMTP:CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 3:57 AM > To: ghowell@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > > You are absolutley right, but I wish more people would check blind > spots. Not > to mention perfectly visable spots. While coming home from the > mounting party > at leons I was almost run off the road twice. The first time I was in > the > middle lane and a 2 door coupe with a ladder strapped to the roof > pulled in > behind me from the slow lane. The ladder he was toting was protruding > off the > front of the vehicle to the extent where it almost clipped my helmet. > I mean, > cmon people... this is scary. And the second involved a brand new 4 > door cage > who seemed indulged in his conversation on his car phone. he didnt > bother to > signal or look and came right over at me in the slow lane. I was on > the > shoulder and he was more than half way in my lane before backing off > and > realizing what was going on. If these are the risks involved with > dc-cycles > gatherings, then count me out.(j/k). > > Well, thats my two cents. > > Sean P. > Ride Free > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 08:46:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25208; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10634; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com (known ngedns.northgrum.com [192.86.71.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02652 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgny003.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.161]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA14787 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGNY003 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2LF85M0G>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:45:17 -0400 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B77@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: FW: Boy I wish this was for real !! Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:45:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >From another list ... Todd (and others) have you heard anything about this? If so, where do I sign? --chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---------- > From: Ken[SMTP:kwetz@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 8:09 PM > > Found this link while surfing for ST1100 links. > > http://www.fremme.no/st1100/a1honda.html > > Can we get them to make it !!!!!! > > > Ken Wetz in Venice Florida > kwetz@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:02:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25529; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12750; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03450 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA18689; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA17743; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:00:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980408130051.HTCA18677@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:00:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 08:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Roy D. Turner" CC: Subject: Corner Work at Summit Pt was: Sat. Ride to Summit Pt. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980408130051.HTCA18677@[166.41.242.141]> Wx permitting, I'll be riding up friday evening to camp. I plan to cornerwork this Saturday and possibly Sunday as well. Anyone else doing any corner work this weekend? Want to ride up with me Friday afternoon/evening? Todd Roy Turner wrote: >Anyone interested in joining me (96 F3) and my buddy Kevin (91 VFR 750) on >a ride to Summit Point to catch the races on Saturday? We prefer to go >with riders who are willing to travel at a "brisk" pace. At this time we >plan to depart from the Springfield, VA area around 10:30 a.m. Roy D. >Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:09:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25606; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13213; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03643 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA22181; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA04381; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980408130745.HUZV18677@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:07:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: CloudsAbv9 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980408130745.HUZV18677@[166.41.242.141]> Sean P. wrote: ... And the second involved a brand new 4 door cage >who seemed indulged in his conversation on his car phone. he didnt bother to >signal or look and came right over at me in the slow lane. I was on the >shoulder and he was more than half way in my lane before backing off and >realizing what was going on. If these are the risks involved >with dc-cycles gatherings, then count me out.(j/k). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wha'? What does one have to do with the other? Comments to both George and Sean. George, you signalled and signalled but was ignored by a couple of jerks. Or worse, they really didn't see you! If either reason gives motorcyclists a bad name then there are at least 10:1 reasons why cagers suck overall as drivers. I've never seen more rude, discourteous driving habits than those of car drivers. In a single evening out, and on two seperate occassions, cars came up to and blew through a stop on a side street. One of them made it a point to fly right out into the left lane where I was! Which brings me to Seans comments. If I wasn't already prepared for the silly, stupid antics of those cagers, I'd be splat! Try to stay away from obvious danger, like ladders hanging off of trucks and dickheads occupied on a cell phone. IMNSHO, unless a cager is also a rider, they are a real danger to motorcyclists and they really don't give a crap about motorcyclists issues and the stuff we deal with. We have a right to expect that cagers act responsibly and give way, and be courteous. Don't ever assume it's true though. My .000000002 worth. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:13:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25653; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13561; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03716 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA02298; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:12:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA24501; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:12:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980408131205.HWGC18677@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:12:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: FW: Boy I wish this was for real !! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980408131205.HWGC18677@[166.41.242.141]> One of the best examples of UK subterfuge there is. Go to the bottom of that page and read over the disclaimer. Todd Chris Meier wrote: >From another list ... Todd (and others) have you heard anything about this? >If so, where do I sign? --chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---------- > From: Ken[SMTP:kwetz@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 8:09 PM > > Found this link while surfing for ST1100 links. > > http://www.fremme.no/st1100/a1honda.html > > Can we get them to make it !!!!!! > > > Ken Wetz in Venice Florida > kwetz@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:14:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25667; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13613; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03728 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA10319; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:17:01 -0400 Message-ID: <352B77D2.3B001559@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:12:50 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Carver, John" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Weld . . . BOOM! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As the guy who started this thread. Doesn't this sound a lot like the stories that you hear when someone/anyone hears you ride a motorcycle? My dad/cousin/uncle/friend of the family had one of those things once. Damn near killed himself when he . . . Yes, I'll be careful. Yes, I plan to do it. No, it isn't always fatal, several people have done it successfully. The last gas tank I cut open, I simply took a saw to it. It had a rust hole in the bottom and had been completely dry for about 6 years. It didn't explode. This one also has rust holes in it. It had water in it because the top was off. I tipped it on it's side and drained the water out. It's now drying in my shed. I don't think I'll let it cure for 6 years like the last one, but a month or two more won't hurt. Leon. Carver, John wrote: > > My dad told me about welding the gas tank from his, (still has it with > > 70k miles), '79 Bonneville Brougham. He filled the entire 26(?) > gallon tank up with water except for the last little air pocket in the > filler neck. Even with only this small area left it *still* blew up!! > He managed not to, DUH, get hurt. I can't remember what happened > since I was only 9 or so at the time but, he won't be doing that > again. In a word, becareful!! > > John Carver From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:17:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25693; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13747; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com (known ngedns.northgrum.com [192.86.71.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03788 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgny003.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.161]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA15445; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGNY003 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2LF85NBX>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:16:27 -0400 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B79@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Todd Peer'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: FW: Boy I wish this was for real !! Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:16:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, I knew it was an Apr Fools type of thing ... but someone sure put some time into drawing out the concept pic of the bike. Or is that just a markup of a concept the Honda did? Although I know it was a rouse, if this is the future of bikes, well, I like it. --chris PS. I would go up to the races with you, but I have Easter commitments this weekend. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:09 AM > To: Meier, Christopher > Cc: 'dc-cycles' > Subject: Re: FW: Boy I wish this was for real !! > > > One of the best examples of UK subterfuge there is. Go to the bottom > of that page and read over the disclaimer. > > Todd > > Chris Meier wrote: > >From another list ... Todd (and others) have you heard anything about > this? > >If so, where do I sign? > > --chris > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > -------- > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > -------- > > > > ---------- > > From: Ken[SMTP:kwetz@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 8:09 PM > > > > Found this link while surfing for ST1100 links. > > > > http://www.fremme.no/st1100/a1honda.html > > > > Can we get them to make it !!!!!! > > > > > > Ken Wetz in Venice Florida > > kwetz@XXXXXX > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:18:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25709; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13801; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03818 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A90B1A100F6; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:18:03 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980408091723.00f1aa70@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:17:23 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: And you wonder why we get a bad name... In-Reply-To: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B75@xcgva001.grumman. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:36 AM 4/8/98 -0700, Meier, Christopher wrote: >The funny thing was when we got to my place, she got out of her car and >said "Wow tough ride home, you got cut off and almost hit ..." I just >looked at her confused and said "huh?" and she mentioned the guy that >cut me off and the guy at the stop sign. I replied "Oh yeah I guess I >did" and she couldn't believe that it didn't faze me. My wife has commented, after riding on the back, how often people "play chicken" with motorcyclists. Like you, I didn't specifically recall most of the events, because it was just part of the "typical ride". Years ago, I used to drive a VW Beetle and drive a 12-ton truck for work. It was real neat to get in the truck after driving in the VW. However, it was a little more dangerous moving from the truck to the VW. This "play chicken" attitude is part of what's fueling the large "sport-utility" vehicle popularity, which just encourages more of the same. After an incident last week, I'm tempted to install loud pipes and dress like a 1%'er - maybe I'd get just a tad more respect. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:22:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25754; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13996; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail1.geocities.com [209.1.224.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03949 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA16558; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352B7986.33D2848A@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:20:07 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: "Roy D. Turner" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Pt References: <19980408130051.HTCA18677@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't finalized up plans yet, but I definitely will be out at Summit cornerworking. I've farmed the wife out to the inlaws in CT so I've got a good bachelor weekend, so I'm not sure if I'll be camping or not. I'll let ya know. For anyone else going up there (cornerworking or not), I'll have the truck out there and an ice chest full of some form of beverage... probably iced water and soda... Feel free to swing by and lock riding gear in the cab if you want. Collin Todd Peer wrote: > I plan to > cornerwork this Saturday and possibly Sunday as well. Anyone else > doing any corner work this weekend? > -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:27:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25809; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14102; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04006 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id JAA13216; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hrnexch1.eisi.com(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma013179; Wed, 8 Apr 98 09:25:41 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:27:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:27:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I remember checking the blind spot getting drilled into my head repeatedly at high school driver ed (in Connecticut). I'm really amazed at how many people not only don't check them, but if you say, "don't you check your blind spot," say "Huh? Blind spot?" Scary. --John Whiteside ---------- From: CloudsAbv9 [SMTP:CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 3:58 AM To: ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: And you wonder why we get a bad name... You are absolutley right, but I wish more people would check blind spots. Not to mention perfectly visable spots. While coming home from the mounting party at leons I was almost run off the road twice. The first time I was in the middle lane and a 2 door coupe with a ladder strapped to the roof pulled in behind me from the slow lane. The ladder he was toting was protruding off the front of the vehicle to the extent where it almost clipped my helmet. I mean, cmon people... this is scary. And the second involved a brand new 4 door cage who seemed indulged in his conversation on his car phone. he didnt bother to signal or look and came right over at me in the slow lane. I was on the shoulder and he was more than half way in my lane before backing off and realizing what was going on. If these are the risks involved with dc-cycles gatherings, then count me out.(j/k). Well, thats my two cents. Sean P. Ride Free From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:28:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25825; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14146; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04061 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD62CF.BAA1F350@XXXXXX>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:21:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'CloudsAbv9'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:21:35 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And what does this have to do with DC-Cycles gatherings?? I've found so far that with exception to a couple of incidents that the gatherings have been really safe... -Tom '86 VFR750F >-----Original Message----- >From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:03 AM >To: CloudsAbv9 >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > >Sean P. wrote: >... And the second involved a brand new 4 door cage >>who seemed indulged in his conversation on his car phone. he didnt bother >>to >>signal or look and came right over at me in the slow lane. I was on the >>shoulder and he was more than half way in my lane before backing off and >>realizing what was going on. If these are the risks involved >>with dc-cycles gatherings, then count me out.(j/k). > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Wha'? What does one have to do with the other? > >Comments to both George and Sean. > > George, you signalled and signalled but was ignored by a couple >of jerks. Or worse, they really didn't see you! If either reason >gives motorcyclists a bad name then there are at least 10:1 reasons >why cagers suck overall as drivers. I've never seen more rude, discourteous >driving habits than those of car drivers. In a single evening out, >and on two seperate occassions, cars came up to and blew through a >stop on a side street. One of them made it a point to fly right out >into the left lane where I was! > > Which brings me to Seans comments. If I wasn't already prepared >for the silly, stupid antics of those cagers, I'd be splat! Try to >stay away from obvious danger, like ladders hanging off of trucks and >dickheads occupied on a cell phone. > > IMNSHO, unless a cager is also a rider, they are a real danger >to motorcyclists and they really don't give a crap about motorcyclists >issues and the stuff we deal with. We have a right to expect that >cagers act responsibly and give way, and be courteous. Don't ever >assume it's true though. > > My .000000002 worth. > >Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:30:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25843; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14193; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04141 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id JAA13631; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hrnexch1.eisi.com(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma013603; Wed, 8 Apr 98 09:28:42 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:30:08 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:30:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" re - cell phones I do a slow burn every time I hear one of those cellular industry sponsored ads telling everyone to "use their phone safely." In my opinion the only way to do that is to do it while you are not driving. I have a cell phone; I use it when pulled over, parked, or sitting in a monster non-moving traffic jam. NOT while in motion. I would love to see people ticketed for talking and driving at once. And I wish the cellular industry would be responsible enough to say, in those safety messages, "Don't talk on the phone and drive at the same time. Pull over to make calls." just venting... --John Whiteside From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:30:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25861; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14197; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (known sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04174 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id GAA06394 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xcgca007.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.78]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id GAA24818 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGCA007 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <2LQQ2QGM>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:29:04 -0700 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B7A@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'Chris Norloff'" Subject: RE: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:29:04 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:17 AM > To: 'dc-cycles' > Subject: RE: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > --snip-- > After an incident last week, I'm tempted to install loud pipes and > dress > like a 1%'er - maybe I'd get just a tad more respect. > Uh, do tell ... --chris PS. You *can't* end an e-mail w/ a teaser like that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:39:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26140; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14616; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04669 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA20058 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:38:23 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:38:23 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:40:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 12 TEXT What they're finding is that using a cell phone whilst moving has about the same increase in crash (I REFUSE to use the word accident in this context) potential as talking to a passenger in the vehicle. The bottom line seems to be that ANY distraction from the task at hand tends to increase the potential for whoopsies. Or as we used to say, No shit, Sherlock. Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:42:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26189; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14687; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04790 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA24879 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:34:03 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:40:30 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:41:46 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: And you wonder why we get a bad name... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Effing morons. Between the squids and the RUBs . . . That blind-spot guy is gonna have a date with Darwin one of these days. Hopefully his bike will fall over on him at a stoplight and he'll get out. Joe Nagy '85 900 Ninja, '68 H-D FLH, AMA, HOG >>> George Howell - 4/7/98 11:08 PM >>> Drove to work today. SWMBO did not provide the option of taking the bike. But tomorrow is Wednesday, and rain, sleet, or snow, that's bike day. After making the deposit at the bank, was heading north on Rt. 301 to Waldorf. It widens up to three lanes. I got over to the far left lane to get around a few trucks, and two HD FL's. As I got close to my right hand turn (about 1 1/2 miles away) I started moving ot the right. Except.... Those jerks on the HDs were there. I drive a Miata. And I'm a big boy. There's no way I'd not be seen checking my blind spot (something I always do, and do it three or four times when I know there's a bike around). But one of the FLs was parked in my blind spot. Saw me check my blind spot (top was down. My big noggin was quite visible if he was paying the slightest attention.) and this guy didn't back off. Turned on turn signal. Head check. Ignored. By now, I'm getting really close (3/4 mile) to my turn, so I had to tailgate the guy in front of me in order to get around the HDs. (couldn't brake and pull in behind them. Quite the traffic back up behind them.) Is it any wonder that cagers frequently have their sights set for us when these two inconsiderate boobs (need I mention the beanie helmets?) do something like this? FWIW, one of these guys (the older looking one) seemed to be having quite a bit of trouble at the two stop lights we were at. His bike also had temp tags. Can anyone say RUBBIE??? Now, if they irked another half dozen cagers, they've screwed it up for everyone. Me, I know that they were either RUBBIES or true 1%'ers. Either way, they are pricks who are detrimental to our WOL. Glad I got that out. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:48:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26379; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15145; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05046 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA00507; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:45:20 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E549@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Whiteside, John'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:46:19 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I TOTALLY agree!! How about reading the paper while driving, brushing teeth while driving, too?? I can't believe the asinine behavior of drivers. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:30 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > > re - cell phones > > I do a slow burn every time I hear one of those cellular industry > sponsored > ads telling everyone to "use their phone safely." In my opinion the > only way > to do that is to do it while you are not driving. I have a cell phone; > I use > it when pulled over, parked, or sitting in a monster non-moving > traffic jam. > NOT while in motion. I would love to see people ticketed for talking > and > driving at once. And I wish the cellular industry would be responsible > enough to say, in those safety messages, "Don't talk on the phone and > drive > at the same time. Pull over to make calls." > > just venting... > > --John Whiteside From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:54:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26502; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15718; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05359 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD62D3.5CB63B30@XXXXXX>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:47:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:47:35 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is my understanding that driving and using a cell phone is just as hazardous as driving while under the influence of drugs and alcohol. It was also stated that men are more at fault then women. I myself have used a phone while driving... and I have noticed that my driving is not as good as while using it. I'm trying to avoid using my phone while I'm driving... I don't wish to become a statistic.... My .02 -Tom >-----Original Message----- >From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:41 AM >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > >What they're finding is that using a cell phone whilst moving has about >the same increase in crash (I REFUSE to use the word accident in this >context) potential as talking to a passenger in the vehicle. > >The bottom line seems to be that ANY distraction from the task at hand >tends to increase the potential for whoopsies. > >Or as we used to say, No shit, Sherlock. > >Michael J. > >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:01:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26720; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16566; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itm07.itmassociates.com (known [207.154.22.7] [207.154.22.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05783 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itm04.itmassociates.com ([207.154.22.4]) by itm07.itmassociates.com (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 852565E0.004CF54C; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:00:35 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980408135935.0096b6f0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: us004937@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:59:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Space Subject: Re: Weld . . . BOOM! Sorry to add to it but ... I have a gas tank I need to dispose of properly so I called the number they give you on the Vienna Town Flyer and the lady on the phone told me to take it to the Fairfax dump BUT it had to be cut in half. I have a Sawz-all, but I'll bet that there's a pretty good chance that it will make a spark or two when I start cutting. I thought about filling it with water, but that would only last until I cut one side and then it would empty out. Maybe I should just try to shoot a bottle rocket into it from across the yard..that might get it into 2 or more pieces (just kidding I don't have any bottle rockets ;) ). I think I am going to call back and ask for a supervisor or someone else for clarification. When is the next group ride in the local area? Later Rob Space 86 VF500 At 09:12 AM 4/8/98 -0400, you wrote: >As the guy who started this thread. Doesn't this sound a lot like the >stories that you hear when someone/anyone hears you ride a motorcycle? > >My dad/cousin/uncle/friend of the family had one of those things once. >Damn near killed himself when he . . . > >Yes, I'll be careful. Yes, I plan to do it. No, it isn't always fatal, >several people have done it successfully. The last gas tank I cut open, >I simply took a saw to it. It had a rust hole in the bottom and had >been completely dry for about 6 years. It didn't explode. This one >also has rust holes in it. It had water in it because the top was off. >I tipped it on it's side and drained the water out. It's now drying in >my shed. I don't think I'll let it cure for 6 years like the last one, >but a month or two more won't hurt. > >Leon. > >Carver, John wrote: >> >> My dad told me about welding the gas tank from his, (still has it with >> > 70k miles), '79 Bonneville Brougham. He filled the entire 26(?) >> gallon tank up with water except for the last little air pocket in the >> filler neck. Even with only this small area left it *still* blew up!! >> He managed not to, DUH, get hurt. I can't remember what happened >> since I was only 9 or so at the time but, he won't be doing that >> again. In a word, becareful!! >> >> John Carver > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:05:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26865; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16817; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05951 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:04:05 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA07614 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:04:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199804081404.AA07614@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:04:40 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:04:40 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:04:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:02:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980408130745.HUZV18677@[166.41.242.141]> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME > IMNSHO, unless a cager is also a rider, they are a real danger > to motorcyclists and they really don't give a crap about motorcyclists > issues and the stuff we deal with. We have a right to expect that > cagers act responsibly and give way, and be courteous. Don't ever > assume it's true though. > > My .000000002 worth. > ....I have an AMA sticker on the back of my Explorer Sport (license plate ROK&RLL if any of you have seen me)...I can't count how many times a fellow motorcyclist has given me a thumbs up when they've passed me because of that sticker. I am acutely aware of *any* biker when I'm in my cage, I think, much more so than a non-riding cager will ever be. -aki > Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:06:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26878; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16841; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06003 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA05730; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:03:25 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E54D@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Tom Zell'" , "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:04:23 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yes, I very often will take the phone from him while he's driving and dial for him. It makes me VERY nervous!! Now, just how did that guy on the Harley that I saw use his cell phone while RIDING? Seems a bit more dangerous to me on bike!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Zell [SMTP:zell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:48 AM > To: 'Jordan, Michael'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad > name... > > It is my understanding that driving and using a cell phone is just as > hazardous as driving while under the influence of drugs and alcohol. > It > was also stated that men are more at fault then women. I myself have > used a phone while driving... and I have noticed that my driving is > not > as good as while using it. I'm trying to avoid using my phone while > I'm > driving... I don't wish to become a statistic.... > > My .02 > -Tom > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:41 AM > >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > >Subject: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad > name... > > > >What they're finding is that using a cell phone whilst moving has > about > >the same increase in crash (I REFUSE to use the word accident in this > >context) potential as talking to a passenger in the vehicle. > > > >The bottom line seems to be that ANY distraction from the task at > hand > >tends to increase the potential for whoopsies. > > > >Or as we used to say, No shit, Sherlock. > > > >Michael J. > > > >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:08:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26902; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16894; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06094 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVMCLVZRCW8ZLCIV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:51:34 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:46:42 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:46:42 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:46:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... In-reply-to: To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1313IID242C0 X400-MTS-identifier: [;24649080408991/2511811@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >re - cell phones >And I wish the cellular industry would be responsible enough to say, >in those safety messages, "Don't talk on the phone and drive at the >same time. Pull over to make calls." An amusing story: my wife is from Chile and still has a lot of family down there. Her aunt told her that the police down there were doing a crackdown on phone usage while driving. I forget the exact amount but something like 33% of those pulled over and ticketed were 'using' fake phones. Just for the prestige! Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:11:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26923; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16950; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06188 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:09:59 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA08024 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:10:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199804081410.AA08024@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:10:35 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:10:35 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:10:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:08:22 -0400 Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME > re - cell phones > > I do a slow burn every time I hear one of those cellular industry sponsored > ads telling everyone to "use their phone safely." In my opinion the only way > to do that is to do it while you are not driving. I have a cell phone; I use > it when pulled over, parked, or sitting in a monster non-moving traffic jam. > NOT while in motion. I would love to see people ticketed for talking and > driving at once. And I wish the cellular industry would be responsible > enough to say, in those safety messages, "Don't talk on the phone and drive > at the same time. Pull over to make calls." > > just venting... > > --John Whiteside > > I have a cell phone in my truck but I don't use the handset when I'm driving..it's a hands free unit and I've (personally) never been distracted with merely talking and driving..to me anyway, it's no more difficult talking to someone on the speaker as it is talking to someone sitting next to me. However I agree that using a handset and driving can be dangerous for alot of singletasked minds out there. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:18:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27126; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17063; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06414 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA09681; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:14:42 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E550@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:15:40 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Speaking of stickers, does anyone know where I can get one of those yellow "Watch for Motorcyclists" bumper stickers? I've looked at many motorcycle shops & haven't seen them at VA DMVs either... Where the hell do these come from!!?? I want to put one on my car, I figure the more cagers see something like this, the more it just may stick in their minds(?) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 10:03 AM > To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX > Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > > > ....I have an AMA sticker on the back of my Explorer Sport (license > plate ROK&RLL if any of you have seen me)...I can't count how many > times a fellow motorcyclist has given me a thumbs up when they've > passed me because of that sticker. > > I am acutely aware of *any* biker when I'm in my cage, I think, much > more so than a non-riding cager will ever be. > > -aki > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:19:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27132; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17074; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06434 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:17:02 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA08538 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:17:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199804081417.AA08538@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:17:39 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:17:39 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:17:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:15:23 -0400 Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME uh..I don't think so..using a phone is a *temporary* degradation of driving ability, while being drunk (or drugged) cannot be "turned off". Additionally, driving while under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs can significantly reduce your *judgement* and *ability* to reason and make intelligent decisions while talking on the phone reduces ones ability to pay *full attention* to their surroundings..there's a difference. That's why the law will charge you with "failing to pay full attention" if you have an accident while using the phone, but will rarely (if ever) charge you with reckless. -aki > It is my understanding that driving and using a cell phone is just as > hazardous as driving while under the influence of drugs and alcohol. It > was also stated that men are more at fault then women. I myself have > used a phone while driving... and I have noticed that my driving is not > as good as while using it. I'm trying to avoid using my phone while I'm > driving... I don't wish to become a statistic.... > > My .02 > -Tom > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:41 AM > >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > >Subject: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > > > >What they're finding is that using a cell phone whilst moving has about > >the same increase in crash (I REFUSE to use the word accident in this > >context) potential as talking to a passenger in the vehicle. > > > >The bottom line seems to be that ANY distraction from the task at hand > >tends to increase the potential for whoopsies. > > > >Or as we used to say, No shit, Sherlock. > > > >Michael J. > > > >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:20:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27144; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17090; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06462 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA24704; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352B8696.53539E4C@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 10:15:50 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Foreman CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Summit Pt References: <01bd62f5$7828eee0$0705047b@gwf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure where exactly I'll be parking, but most likely it will be back over towards turn 3 or so?? not sure yet, but my truck is real easy to spot. Forest Green 93 Dodge Dakota Sport 4x4 Light bar on top Oregon Tags: VEW 989 I'll likely be out in one of the corners...I'll try to figure out what ballcap I'll be wearing and post back... Or just Roger Lyle (MARCC official) at an appropriate break in the action... He'll have a list of where people are working. Gary Foreman wrote: > > Where will you be? What kind of truck? Lic? I will be there Sunday > afternoon, Red FJ1100 (ALL RED) -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:24:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27226; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17148; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06586 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:22:22 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA08984 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:22:58 -0400 Message-Id: <199804081422.AA08984@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:22:58 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:22:58 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:22:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:21:11 -0400 Subject: A few less 1%'ers.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199804081410.AA08024@egate2.citicorp.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...I didn't realize there were four chapters of this club on Long Island alone! -aki *** 33 charged in Long Island biker roundup Thirty members of a national motorcycle gang were arrested Tuesday on a host of charges ranging from conspiracy to commit murder to extortion, and arson charges, officials said. Federal charges were filed against 33 members and associates of the Pagan Outlaw Motorcycle Club, a national organization with four Long Island chapters, the focus of the joint law enforcement effort, the U.S. Attorney's office said. Twenty-seven defendants were arrested on Long Island Tuesday, three were arrested in Florida, Virginia or Pennsylvania and three remained at large, Uniondale, N.Y., officials said. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2553651871-c1d From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:24:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27235; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17158; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06615 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA06778; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA03316; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA15309; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:22:33 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA15306; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:22:32 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD62BF.10218630@XXXXXX>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:22:18 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:14:54 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 In the instructional pamphlets that come with the cell phones it does say to pull over to make a call when driving but the type is so small and blended in with other information that's insignificant. Why this message isn't stressed more I have no idea. Well, profits, I suppose. Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 6:30 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > >re - cell phones > >I do a slow burn every time I hear one of those cellular industry sponsored >ads telling everyone to "use their phone safely." In my opinion the only way >to do that is to do it while you are not driving. I have a cell phone; I use >it when pulled over, parked, or sitting in a monster non-moving traffic jam. >NOT while in motion. I would love to see people ticketed for talking and >driving at once. And I wish the cellular industry would be responsible >enough to say, in those safety messages, "Don't talk on the phone and drive >at the same time. Pull over to make calls." > >just venting... > >--John Whiteside > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:45:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27503; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17556; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07251 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA13283; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:48:05 -0400 Message-ID: <352B8D2B.E94C2075@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 10:43:55 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Space CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weld . . . BOOM! References: <1.5.4.32.19980408135935.0096b6f0@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit She was giving a bureaucratic answer. If it were me, I'd put a piece of plywood on top of it and run it over with a truck. Once it's flat, take it to the dump. If questioned about that method, volunteer that it was presented (never mind by whom) as an alternative to sawing it in half. Leon. Robert Space wrote: > > Sorry to add to it but ... I have a gas tank I need to dispose of properly > so I called the number they give you on the Vienna Town Flyer and the lady > on the phone told me to take it to the Fairfax dump BUT it had to be cut in > half. I have a Sawz-all, but I'll bet that there's a pretty good chance > that it will make a spark or two when I start cutting. I thought about > filling it with water, but that would only last until I cut one side and > then it would empty out. Maybe I should just try to shoot a bottle rocket > into it from across the yard..that might get it into 2 or more pieces (just > kidding I don't have any bottle rockets ;) ). > > I think I am going to call back and ask for a supervisor or someone else for > clarification. > > When is the next group ride in the local area? > > Later > Rob Space > 86 VF500 > > At 09:12 AM 4/8/98 -0400, you wrote: > >As the guy who started this thread. Doesn't this sound a lot like the > >stories that you hear when someone/anyone hears you ride a motorcycle? > > > >My dad/cousin/uncle/friend of the family had one of those things once. > >Damn near killed himself when he . . . > > > >Yes, I'll be careful. Yes, I plan to do it. No, it isn't always fatal, > >several people have done it successfully. The last gas tank I cut open, > >I simply took a saw to it. It had a rust hole in the bottom and had > >been completely dry for about 6 years. It didn't explode. This one > >also has rust holes in it. It had water in it because the top was off. > >I tipped it on it's side and drained the water out. It's now drying in > >my shed. I don't think I'll let it cure for 6 years like the last one, > >but a month or two more won't hurt. > > > >Leon. > > > >Carver, John wrote: > >> > >> My dad told me about welding the gas tank from his, (still has it with > >> > 70k miles), '79 Bonneville Brougham. He filled the entire 26(?) > >> gallon tank up with water except for the last little air pocket in the > >> filler neck. Even with only this small area left it *still* blew up!! > >> He managed not to, DUH, get hurt. I can't remember what happened > >> since I was only 9 or so at the time but, he won't be doing that > >> again. In a word, becareful!! > >> > >> John Carver > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:46:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27526; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17575; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07264 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD62DA.9C618030@XXXXXX>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:39:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:39:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But... the level of "awareness" while using the cell phone is comparable to driving under the influence... the organization that did the study on these things(sorry I can't actually give a name to back up my story) came up with this comparison and I heard it on one of the news/talk radio stations...I think WTOP.... -Tom >-----Original Message----- >From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 10:15 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > >uh..I don't think so..using a phone is a *temporary* degradation of >driving ability, while being drunk (or drugged) cannot be "turned off". > >Additionally, driving while under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs >can significantly reduce your *judgement* and *ability* to reason and >make intelligent decisions while talking on the phone reduces ones ability >to pay *full attention* to their surroundings..there's a difference. >That's why the law will charge you with "failing to pay full attention" if >you have an accident while using the phone, but will rarely (if ever) charge >you with reckless. > >-aki > > >> It is my understanding that driving and using a cell phone is just as >> hazardous as driving while under the influence of drugs and alcohol. It >> was also stated that men are more at fault then women. I myself have >> used a phone while driving... and I have noticed that my driving is not >> as good as while using it. I'm trying to avoid using my phone while I'm >> driving... I don't wish to become a statistic.... >> >> My .02 >> -Tom >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] >> >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:41 AM >> >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >> >Subject: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... >> > >> >What they're finding is that using a cell phone whilst moving has about >> >the same increase in crash (I REFUSE to use the word accident in this >> >context) potential as talking to a passenger in the vehicle. >> > >> >The bottom line seems to be that ANY distraction from the task at hand >> >tends to increase the potential for whoopsies. >> > >> >Or as we used to say, No shit, Sherlock. >> > >> >Michael J. >> > >> >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:50:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27584; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17690; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07348 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.52] (unverified [207.226.128.52]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 10:47:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 98 10:50:06 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , cc: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Speaking of stickers, does anyone know where I can get one of those >yellow "Watch for Motorcyclists" bumper stickers? >I've looked at many motorcycle shops & haven't seen them at VA DMVs >either... >Where the hell do these come from!!?? I want to put one on my car, I >figure the more cagers see something like this, the more it just may >stick in their minds(?) I got several at the Md DMV. I also got some in the mail when I signed up for the MSF course. Now is a good time to mention that about four times in the past month, I've been nearly run off the road by guys (in pickups) with these bumper stickers? Ironic, ain't it? ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:50:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27592; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17732; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07392 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA13383; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:51:43 -0400 Message-ID: <352B8E04.FF69A31B@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 10:47:32 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E550@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The yellow ones came from the Maryland Motorcycle safety program a few years ago. After the MVA took over the program, the bumper stickers were not reordered in an effort to cut costs. They also quit giving instructors free shirts and other neat stuff. :-( Leon. O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Speaking of stickers, does anyone know where I can get one of those > yellow "Watch for Motorcyclists" bumper stickers? > I've looked at many motorcycle shops & haven't seen them at VA DMVs > either... > Where the hell do these come from!!?? I want to put one on my car, I > figure the more cagers see something like this, the more it just may > stick in their minds(?) > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 10:03 AM > > To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX > > Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > > > > > > ....I have an AMA sticker on the back of my Explorer Sport (license > > plate ROK&RLL if any of you have seen me)...I can't count how many > > times a fellow motorcyclist has given me a thumbs up when they've > > passed me because of that sticker. > > > > I am acutely aware of *any* biker when I'm in my cage, I think, much > > more so than a non-riding cager will ever be. > > > > -aki > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:53:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27630; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17910; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07474 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA27282 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:52:34 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:52:34 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:55:06 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 7 TEXT >Now, just how did that guy on the Harley that I saw use his cell phone >while RIDING? I have a major problem stuffing it up under my helmet Michael J > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:54:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27643; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17939; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07492 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:53:14 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA11167 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:53:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199804081453.AA11167@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:53:49 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:53:49 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:53:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:52:32 -0400 Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... To: zell@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME hmmm...following that line of logic then, shouldn't emergency vehicles (e.g. police, ambulance, fire) pull over whenever they talk on their radios? Also they shouldn't be listening to their radios while driving either. Additionally, a cager shouldn't listen to their radio/stereo either...makes one think about how alot of us bikers ride while listening to a portable radio or the wingers with CB's/radio's/tape players... -aki > But... the level of "awareness" while using the cell phone is comparable > to driving under the influence... the organization that did the study on > these things(sorry I can't actually give a name to back up my story) > came up with this comparison and I heard it on one of the news/talk > radio stations...I think WTOP.... > > -Tom > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 10:15 AM > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > > > >uh..I don't think so..using a phone is a *temporary* degradation of > >driving ability, while being drunk (or drugged) cannot be "turned off". > > > >Additionally, driving while under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs > >can significantly reduce your *judgement* and *ability* to reason and > >make intelligent decisions while talking on the phone reduces ones ability > >to pay *full attention* to their surroundings..there's a difference. > >That's why the law will charge you with "failing to pay full attention" if > >you have an accident while using the phone, but will rarely (if ever) charge > >you with reckless. > > > >-aki > > > > > >> It is my understanding that driving and using a cell phone is just as > >> hazardous as driving while under the influence of drugs and alcohol. It > >> was also stated that men are more at fault then women. I myself have > >> used a phone while driving... and I have noticed that my driving is not > >> as good as while using it. I'm trying to avoid using my phone while I'm > >> driving... I don't wish to become a statistic.... > >> > >> My .02 > >> -Tom > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > >> >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:41 AM > >> >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > >> >Subject: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > >> > > >> >What they're finding is that using a cell phone whilst moving has about > >> >the same increase in crash (I REFUSE to use the word accident in this > >> >context) potential as talking to a passenger in the vehicle. > >> > > >> >The bottom line seems to be that ANY distraction from the task at hand > >> >tends to increase the potential for whoopsies. > >> > > >> >Or as we used to say, No shit, Sherlock. > >> > > >> >Michael J. > >> > > >> >> > >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:56:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27691; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18051; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07556 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD62DB.F7411780@XXXXXX>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:49:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:49:10 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok... I think we're going a little too far here... and I'd rather hear/speak about things that are more moto related so I say we kill this thread! That's all I have to say on that. -Tom >-----Original Message----- >From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 10:53 AM >To: Tom Zell >Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > >hmmm...following that line of logic then, shouldn't emergency >vehicles (e.g. police, ambulance, fire) pull over whenever >they talk on their radios? Also they shouldn't be listening >to their radios while driving either. Additionally, a cager >shouldn't listen to their radio/stereo either...makes one think >about how alot of us bikers ride while listening to a portable >radio or the wingers with CB's/radio's/tape players... > >-aki > > >> But... the level of "awareness" while using the cell phone is >comparable >> to driving under the influence... the organization that did the study >on >> these things(sorry I can't actually give a name to back up my story) >> came up with this comparison and I heard it on one of the news/talk >> radio stations...I think WTOP.... >> >> -Tom >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] >> >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 10:15 AM >> >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> >Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad >name... >> > >> >uh..I don't think so..using a phone is a *temporary* degradation of >> >driving ability, while being drunk (or drugged) cannot be "turned >off". >> > >> >Additionally, driving while under the influence of alcohol and/or >drugs >> >can significantly reduce your *judgement* and *ability* to reason and >> >make intelligent decisions while talking on the phone reduces ones >ability >> >to pay *full attention* to their surroundings..there's a difference. >> >That's why the law will charge you with "failing to pay full >attention" if >> >you have an accident while using the phone, but will rarely (if ever) >charge >> >you with reckless. >> > >> >-aki >> > >> > >> >> It is my understanding that driving and using a cell phone is just >as >> >> hazardous as driving while under the influence of drugs and alcohol. >It >> >> was also stated that men are more at fault then women. I myself >have >> >> used a phone while driving... and I have noticed that my driving is >not >> >> as good as while using it. I'm trying to avoid using my phone while >I'm >> >> driving... I don't wish to become a statistic.... >> >> >> >> My .02 >> >> -Tom >> >> >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >> >From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] >> >> >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:41 AM >> >> >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >> >> >Subject: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... >> >> > >> >> >What they're finding is that using a cell phone whilst moving has >about >> >> >the same increase in crash (I REFUSE to use the word accident in >this >> >> >context) potential as talking to a passenger in the vehicle. >> >> > >> >> >The bottom line seems to be that ANY distraction from the task at >hand >> >> >tends to increase the potential for whoopsies. >> >> > >> >> >Or as we used to say, No shit, Sherlock. >> >> > >> >> >Michael J. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 11:09:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27985; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18671; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08076 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A3149900F4; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:09:11 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980408110351.00eb0c20@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:03:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E549@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:46 AM 4/8/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >I TOTALLY agree!! >How about reading the paper while driving, brushing teeth while driving, >too?? >I can't believe the asinine behavior of drivers. What can we do about it? Seriously. I've wondered for years how to make a difference. I've asked a few attorneys, and since people can file only civil lawsuits and you have to show damages, there's not much to do. Police won't act on things they haven't witnessed (they deal with criminal charges, not civil). The only possiblity I've come up with that seems feasible is to videotape drivers doing stupid things, and publish it. A web page is a logical vehicle. For particularly heinous examples, you could probably get TV news to publish it. There was a web page a couple years ago in California called Highway of Shame where a commuter kept a small digital camera mounted on his dashboard and he'd take pictures of idiots. The key parts of making something like this effective as a deterrent rather than mere horrific entertainment would be to report the drivers to their Division of Motor Vehicles and their insurance companies. If you could provide a videotape of a driver being deliberately dangerous, I wonder if you could force the DMV to act on it. With the license tag number you might be able to get the insurance company information - armed with a videotape of dangerous driving, the insurance company folks might re-think insuring that driver. Once you got a collection going, there are other advantages. If one of the videotaped drivers caused an accident, and you could show that you had warned the DMV and their insurance company that this was a dangerous driver, then I bet you'd have no problem getting this on TV news. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 11:09:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27991; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18679; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08082 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A3199900F4; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:09:13 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980408110912.00eb0c00@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:09:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E550@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:15 AM 4/8/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Speaking of stickers, does anyone know where I can get one of those >yellow "Watch for Motorcyclists" bumper stickers? >I've looked at many motorcycle shops & haven't seen them at VA DMVs >either... >Where the hell do these come from!!?? I want to put one on my car, I >figure the more cagers see something like this, the more it just may >stick in their minds(?) > >- Jeannette I've got some, left over from the Maryland safety program. I'll bring them to Dale's Spring Fling. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 11:09:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27990; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18681; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08079 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A3189900F4; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:09:12 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980408110740.00eb0c00@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:07:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Weld . . . BOOM! In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980408135935.0096b6f0@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:59 AM 4/8/98 -0400, Robert Space wrote: >Sorry to add to it but ... I have a gas tank I need to dispose of properly >so I called the number they give you on the Vienna Town Flyer and the lady >on the phone told me to take it to the Fairfax dump BUT it had to be cut in >half. I have a Sawz-all, but I'll bet that there's a pretty good chance >that it will make a spark or two when I start cutting. I thought about >filling it with water, but that would only last until I cut one side and >then it would empty out. Maybe I should just try to shoot a bottle rocket >into it from across the yard..that might get it into 2 or more pieces (just >kidding I don't have any bottle rockets ;) ). Get some Varsol (Stoddard's Solvent, at a paint shop), wash out the tank, then rinse with water. Let the tank air out for a couple days and I bet that does it. If you want to be even more careful, attach the exhaust pipe of a car, or an air compressor to the tank to fill it with non-blow-uppable gas. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 11:09:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27997; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18688; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08083 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A3179900F4; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:09:11 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980408104718.00eb0c90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 10:47:18 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:40 AM 4/8/98 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote: >What they're finding is that using a cell phone whilst moving has about >the same increase in crash (I REFUSE to use the word accident in this >context) potential as talking to a passenger in the vehicle. There've been a number of studies, many with fatal flaws - like using hands-free cell phones when most people do not use those kind of phones in real life. The most recent study I read put cellphone usage at about equal to drunkenness for increase in accident rate. I recently saw a reference to a Japanese study that got similar conclusions. I think one particular thing is very important in cell phone usage - when people use a telephone they must "tune out" their environment. Whether you're calling from home, work, or a payphone beside the road, you must deliberately ignore the distractions in the environment in order to concentrate on the phone call. This is called "cognitive tunneling", focusing on a particular task to the exclusion of other tasks. A bad thing to do when driving! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 11:15:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28135; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18954; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08304 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA25821 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:06:22 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:12:56 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:14:13 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >>> George Howell - 4/8/98 10:50 AM >>> >Speaking of stickers, does anyone know where I can get one of those >yellow "Watch for Motorcyclists" bumper stickers? >I've looked at many motorcycle shops & haven't seen them at VA DMVs >either... >Where the hell do these come from!!?? I want to put one on my car, I >figure the more cagers see something like this, the more it just may >stick in their minds(?) I got several at the Md DMV. I also got some in the mail when I signed up for the MSF course. Now is a good time to mention that about four times in the past month, I've been nearly run off the road by guys (in pickups) with these bumper stickers? Ironic, ain't it? Maybe they're completing the "Watch for motorcyclists" thought with "so you can run them over." --Joe Nagy ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 12:30:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29558; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24151; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11048 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:29:25 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.76.228]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA11920 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:28:53 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980408122814.006c89c4@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 12:28:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: gas tank disposal, was: Weld . . . BOOM! In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980408110740.00eb0c00@mail.toward.com> References: <1.5.4.32.19980408135935.0096b6f0@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I expect you won't get around the cutting in half thing. My friend needed to dispose of an old heating oil tank and had to do the same thing, whether he wanted the special trash pickup to take it away, to take it to the dump, or the scrapyard. Another friend, an airconditioning service person, says they always have to do that. Junkyards used to have to flatten gas tanks. I don't know if that is still enough. You might just take it to a junkyard and ask them to dispose of it. My local junkyard will do that with non-gastank items, since they get paid for scrap. Or you can just leave it at their door one night or throw it over the fence. Otherwise, a radiator shop can clean it out so you can cut it in half. Good luck Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 12:34:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29618; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24251; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (known m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11144 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA04529 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:10:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: Summit RAces Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok, if you don't know there are races at Summit Point by now, you must not be reading your e-mails... Here's the scoop (according to Brian): Races, Summit Point WV. April 11-12 Gates open about 6pm Friday (I'll be there) Admission is $20 at the gate, $18 in advance (Call Fast Lane Cycles for info) That's for the full weekend, camping included (LOTS of fun) Cornerworking will find you in the best company of the track (well, untill Collin and I are full-fledged racers ;) - It'll also get you in the gate free (reinbursment), free hot meals - and the 2nd best seat on the track. I'll be there, cornerworking both days.. camping Friday and Sat. nights.. Look for my truck (UGLY truck.. you all should know it) - race hawk should be in or near it - I usualy camp at the VERY end of pit lane - when coming across the bridge, it's the 2nd right on pavement.. follow it till it forks right and left (T intersection) - And I should be right there.. behind a tree.. Blue tent - I'll have sodas, hot dogs and smores there for anyone that wants to stop by.. actually, there'll probably be some beer too, come to think of it.. Stop by, I'll put things in the truck if you want them locked... but, make sure to find me before 7am, arround noon, or after 6is (races are done) - otherwise I'll be out on a corner.. Hope to see ya there.. someone.. (other than collin.. who better damn well be there to walk the track with me to learn the damn thing) Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 85 XT250 (street/dirt) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 12:41:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29703; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24712; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11356 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA14876 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:40:09 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:40:09 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: gas tank disposal, was: Weld . . . BOOM! Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:42:39 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 4 TEXT A turn of Primacord around the tank will do the job nicely Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 13:36:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00482; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25497; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (known m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12922 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA13095; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:32:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:32:36 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , Leon Begeman , Jay , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Tire Mounting Party In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C22@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, I guess I ought to make an appearance - I haven't done anything with the group in some time - plus I know VF500's well ( as well as general stuff about bikes.. ) - Maybe I'll bring my RS125 if the engine gets here - we can do heat cycles.. :P On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Hey, I'm in! I'd love to learn maintenance for my bike. Any night's > probably good for me, I don't have school next week (thank goddess)... > I'll even bring a pie or something else fattening as hell, as long as I > don't have to cook it! ; ) Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 85 XT250 (street/dirt) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 13:53:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00830; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25661; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail1.geocities.com [209.1.224.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13570 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01766 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352BB8C1.58935A6E@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 13:49:53 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: tank disposal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, if they really want to be a stickler about it being cut in half, do what Mike J. suggested and flatten it via board method then use any ole saw to chop it (assuming you get it REALLY flat)... there shouldn't be enough of anything left to cause danger...(again, assuming you really flatten it and get out pockets) -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 14:25:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01419; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26226; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14576 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1XSYa01988 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:23:51 -0500 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:23:51 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: CLARIFICATION Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Ok, I was just commenting on how dave said he checked his blind spots and signalled, etc. And I wish more would. And the end I said "If these are the risks involved with dc-cycles gatherings, then count me out.(j/k). " It was a joke. Ha Ha? ok, so now we understand. Im glad the majority did the first time. =) Sean P. Ride Free From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 14:28:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01548; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26271; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14672 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1BDKa02092 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:26:59 -0500 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: <1942684b.352bc175@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:26:59 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: And you wonder why we get a bad name... -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 The Safety program is one place to get them, and the DMV should have some on hand. Good luck. Sean P. Ride Free From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 14:35:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01670; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26385; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14925 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2PN7MDNP>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:34:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: tank disposal Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:36:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Try the "bomb disposal" method: large, non-flammable container; wide open field; small firecracker, long fuse. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 16:16:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03514; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27718; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18925 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA10240 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA13588 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980408201040.NUCC18677@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:10:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 16:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Deal's Gap X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980408201040.NUCC18677@[166.41.242.141]> All Wow! That Deal's Gap trip is starting to shape up into something tangible. Here's how the numbers break out: 23 people have shown an interest. 10 of us will be riding down on the extended tour. 3 of us are riding a Saddle Sore down to meet the rest. 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). 2 of us in chase vehicles. This is a pretty good showing so far folks. I think we may be considering something less than an ALL group ride as the departure date approaches. Large numbers of motorcycles on the BRP is workable, but there will undoubtadly be some scene or another some will want to stop at and others will want to continue past. The PLAN will be updated with suggestions on how to cope with larger numbers. Here's hoping for perfect weather! Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 16:51:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04315; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28076; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20221 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt.erols.com (207-172-35-14.s14.tnt9.brd.erols.com [207.172.35.14]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25581 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804082050.QAA25581@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: Subject: Sat. Summit Pt. Ride Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:48:55 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I propose we leave from the Silver Diner parking lot in front of Springfield Mall no later than 10:30 a.m. on Saturday morning. Anyone have a suggested route? Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 17:09:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04776; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28337; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21097 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:08:36 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA02414 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:09:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199804082109.AA02414@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:09:13 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:09:13 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:09:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:07:44 -0400 Subject: ..and to add to not using a cell phone... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199804082050.QAA25581@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME *** French driver saves virtual pet, kills cyclist A French driver killed a cyclist and injured another after she took her eye off the road trying to save her Tamagotchi virtual pet, police said Wednesday. The 27-year-old woman became distracted when the electronic pet, which was attached to her car key ring, started to send out distress signals. She asked a companion in her car to attend to the Tamagotchi but in the confusion she failed to notice a group of cyclists on the road ahead and slammed into the back of them. One died instantly and another was taken to hospital. Police said the woman was arrested after Sunday's accident near the southern city of Marseille. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2553662625-86e From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 20:50:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08308; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29848; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.gatewayone.com (known ns1.gatewayone.com [207.226.171.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26963 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gatewayone (dial228.gatewayone.com [207.226.171.228]) by ns1.gatewayone.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA10652 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:47:31 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980408204726.006cb0b0@gatewayone.com> X-Sender: poppo@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 20:47:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: poppo@XXXXXX (Ralph Young) Subject: Re: Summit Pt In-Reply-To: <199804082300.TAA29239@tove.cs.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'll be there Saturday and Suday cornerworking. Been receiving the digest form of the list for a while but have not participated in discussions yet. Ralph Young Alexandria '84FJ1100 '75CB550 > >Todd Peer wrote: > >> I plan to >> cornerwork this Saturday and possibly Sunday as well. Anyone else >> doing any corner work this weekend? >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 21:56:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08866; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00197; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28017 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p197.smart.net [206.97.127.197]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA03361; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:54:08 -0400 Message-ID: <352C2948.FDB8A266@smart.net> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 21:50:01 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Roy D. Turner" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sat. Summit Pt. Ride References: <199804082050.QAA25581@smtp1.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please give directions to Silver Diner from 495. As far as the route is concerned, it all depends on how fast we want to get there. Roy D. Turner wrote: > I propose we leave from the Silver Diner parking lot in front of > Springfield Mall no later than 10:30 a.m. on Saturday morning. Anyone have > a suggested route? Roy D. Turner, Esq. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX 94' ZX-11 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 23:03:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09591; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00488; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (known darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29140 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galileo.cris.com (galileo.concentric.net [206.173.119.84]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/01/20 5.9)) id XAA14141; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:02:17 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by galileo.cris.com (8.8.5) id XAA08124; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:02:16 -0400 (EDT) From: BRIANPM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Summit point Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII copied from OTHER non-functioning server.. Ok, if you don't know there are races at Summit Point by now, you must not be reading your e-mails... Here's the scoop (according to Brian): Races, Summit Point WV. April 11-12 Gates open about 6pm Friday (I'll be there) Admission is $20 at the gate, $18 in advance (Call Fast Lane Cycles for info) That's for the full weekend, camping included (LOTS of fun) Cornerworking will find you in the best company of the track (well, untill Collin and I are full-fledged racers ;) - It'll also get you in the gate free (reinbursment), free hot meals - and the 2nd best seat on the track. I'll be there, cornerworking both days.. camping Friday and Sat. nights.. Look for my truck (UGLY truck.. you all should know it) - race hawk should be in or near it - I usualy camp at the VERY end of pit lane - when coming across the bridge, it's the 2nd right on pavement.. follow it till it forks right and left (T intersection) - And I should be right there.. behind a tree.. Blue tent - I'll have sodas, hot dogs and smores there for anyone that wants to stop by.. actually, there'll probably be some beer too, come to think of it.. Stop by, I'll put things in the truck if you want them locked... but, make sure to find me before 7am, arround noon, or after 6is (races are done) - otherwise I'll be out on a corner.. Hope to see ya there.. someone.. (other than collin.. who better damn well be there to walk the track with me to learn the damn thing) Brian P.McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 85 XT250 (street/dirt) brianpm@XXXXXX & bmccoy@XXXXXX - personal www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 00:18:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11027; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01535; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (known m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00777 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA02102 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:09:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: Re: Sat. Summit Pt. Ride In-Reply-To: <352C2948.FDB8A266@smart.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Roy D. Turner wrote: > > > I propose we leave from the Silver Diner parking lot in front of > > Springfield Mall no later than 10:30 a.m. on Saturday morning. Anyone have > > a suggested route? Roy D. Turner, Esq. I can recomend Rt 9 north off of Rt7, just west/north of Leesburg... runs right into CharlesTown.. good 1mile in there going through Hillendale... you'll smile as long as there's no traffic holding you up. Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 85 XT250 (street/dirt) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 00:38:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11205; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01631; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01005 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 09 Apr 1998 00:36:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 00:38:46 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). I'm finding that the Rat wing is sucking up tons of available cash. Still too early to know if I'll have enough left come the end of may (should shelf the project for a while so that I can do the trip:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 01:10:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA11480; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA01853; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA01386 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p174.smart.net [206.97.127.174]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA08993; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:08:58 -0400 Message-ID: <352C56F0.73E935FE@smart.net> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 01:04:50 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Deal's Gap References: <19980408201040.NUCC18677@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd: Please post the URL to the DC-Cycles Deal's Gap page again. Every few days I like to see the progress of the group and my inbox file got deleted in my switchover to the newest version of Nestscape. Todd Peer wrote: > All > > Wow! That Deal's Gap trip is starting to shape up into something tangible. > Here's how the numbers break out: > > 23 people have shown an interest. > > 10 of us will be riding down on the extended tour. > 3 of us are riding a Saddle Sore down to meet the rest. > 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). > 2 of us in chase vehicles. > -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 02:39:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12154; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02784; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02382 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id CAA24950; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:46:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:46:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: aki.damme@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... In-Reply-To: <199804081417.AA08538@egate2.citicorp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > uh..I don't think so..using a phone is a *temporary* degradation of > driving ability, while being drunk (or drugged) cannot be "turned off". > One CAN'T be turned off; the other WON'T be. > Additionally, driving while under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs > can significantly reduce your *judgement* and *ability* to reason and > make intelligent decisions such as whether or not to make calls while driving? while talking on the phone reduces ones ability > to pay *full attention* to their surroundings..there's a difference. Which is....? If the results are similar, it's a distinction without a difference. > That's why the law will charge you with "failing to pay full attention" if > you have an accident while using the phone, but will rarely (if ever) charge > you with reckless. > > > It is my understanding that driving and using a cell phone is just as > > hazardous as driving while under the influence of drugs and alcohol. It > > was also stated that men are more at fault then women. I myself have > > used a phone while driving... and I have noticed that my driving is not > > as good as while using it. I'm trying to avoid using my phone while I'm > > driving... I don't wish to become a statistic.... > > > > My .02 > > -Tom --garcia "The Law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich, as well as the poor, from stealing bread, begging in the streets, and sleeping under bridges." Anatole France From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 08:26:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14164; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07245; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05896 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id AE51250146; Thu, 09 Apr 1998 08:25:53 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409082734.00ec6b90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 08:27:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Kicked my first car Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I suppose it's time to 'fess up. This is something I learned when hang gliding during college - my fellow pilots and I had an agreement that the biggest danger in hang gliding was the male ego. So when one of us screwed up, we'd talk about it to share information and to ensure we didn't get cocky. It was also a useful reminder about how quickly things can go bad, even when you think you've got things under control. So ... I kicked my first car. I had several stressors at both home and work, so my fuse was short. I realized this as I rode in, staying in the left lane more, and feeling more irritated at slow cars blocking the left lane and at HOV scofflaws. But I didn't do anything about my mood. Lesson no. 1 - When I notice that my mood is sour, scale everything back a notch. Immediately. Eastbound on Independence Ave (SW) just before the Tidal Basin, the left of three lanes ends and the road narrows to two lanes. I don't like how the car drivers bunch up there, so I stay in the far right lane. However, I have to be in the left lane after the bridge over the Tidal Basin, so I move over as soon as possible, once clear of the merge. On that day, I moved over before the merge because the traffic in front was moving well, and there were no cars anywhere near behind me. As the left lane next to me was ending, I noticed in my mirror a car approaching quickly in the left lane. I stayed in the left side of my lane and pulled up closer to the car in front of me to give plenty of room behind, and to discourage the driver from cutting in front of me. Lesson no. 2 - Once I've decided that a particular area is too dangerous, don't go back just because it looks okay. One reason I had decided it was dangerous is because bad things happen quickly. Many drivers are still in "fast mode" after coming in on I-66. The car driver pulled up alongside me, rear bumper about even with the back of my bike, and moved over to push me out of the lane. I was furious, I lost it, I kicked her car twice, and she moved back. I proceeded as I was, shaking my fist at her, and she pulled in behind me. Lesson no. 3 - After an altercation with a car driver, I don't want the car driver behind me. I want them in front of me, where I can see them easier and where it's harder for them to attack me. The only exception might be if I want to make a quick getaway, and can do so - but by then I was in no condition to split lanes or do any high-demand riding, and I knew it. When I stopped at the next light, the attacking driver was right behind me. I got off my bike and walked back. The car was a white American sedan, it looked like a GM, maybe an Oldsmobile. The driver was a middle-aged white lady with glasses and white hair. "What's your problem?" she sneered at me. I asked why she did that. She played dumb. I said you deliberately pulled beside me then tried to run me off the road She blamed me for being in her way when the lane ended. I said "You do that again lady, and you're going to get shot." Traffic was backing up now. I walked back to my bike and rode off. She turned off the road and was gone. When I thought I had chosen a reasonable path through this area, it turned out that this car driver could endanger me very quickly. Being in a lane next to a merge lane is a bad place to be because out-of-control car drivers can come up from behind and the situation can go to hell real quickly. I'm not proud of what I did, in fact, I think it was pretty stupid. It might sound heroic to get back at the car, but it can easily be the "last great act of defiance" as the car driver twitches the steering wheel and sends the bike and rider flying off the road. I tend to doubt the lady learned anything, though hopefully she'll think twice before trying to force a bike off the road again. Her actions were as close to assault as I think they can be, but I actually doubt she meant it that way. I think she's just a middle-aged white lady used to getting her way. it's a jungle out there, Chris Norloff P.S. Yes, Chris Meier, this is it. But I bet you already figured that out! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 08:46:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14297; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07471; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06134 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA29335 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:44:57 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:44:57 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:47:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 12 TEXT Chris (et.al.), When I spent some time in an exotic southeast Asian country at my Uncle's expense a few years ago, the Army types used to line the sides of their trucks with Claymores to discourage other people from getting too close. Wonder where I can find some now... Michael (USAF Ret.) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 08:50:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14342; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07527; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06237 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6394.2E782FA0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:47:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:47:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 74 TEXT All - Been looking over the plans == http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/brp/default.htm - Just a suggestion: I see that we are taking some scenic routes on the way down (3 days worth - and me in the cage with kids) - could we cut down that down to just Thursday and Friday and get there Friday? There's a lot of riding in the area of Deal's Gap that can be done from a central location. My concerns are with some of the newer riders who have only gone a 100-150 miles in a day won't able to come back 500 miles in one day on Memorial Day which is at the end of the trip and when everyone is most tired. I was thinking more of a 200 mile day on Thursday and another 300 or so on Friday. Newer riders should be able to push themselves to do that. So come Sunday, we could start heading back at the same pace except 300 miles on Sunday and 200 on Monday. Don't want anyone getting hurt or make stupid mistakes from being tired. That leaves Saturday rather than Sunday to do the Deal's Gap thang or any other riding. Will have to do some camp re-arranging but hopefully that shouldn't be too much of a chore? I can help with that. Let me know what you all think. Tracy PS - don't know how long the plan has been there so I'm sorry for not sending this suggestion sooner - lost the URL and had to go through Louis's DC Cycles page (http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dc-rides.htm) to find it after sorting though all the e-mail junk I do keep just to find Louis's page. ---------- From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 4:08 PM To: dc-cycles Subject: Deal's Gap All Wow! That Deal's Gap trip is starting to shape up into something tangible. Here's how the numbers break out: 23 people have shown an interest. 10 of us will be riding down on the extended tour. 3 of us are riding a Saddle Sore down to meet the rest. 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). 2 of us in chase vehicles. This is a pretty good showing so far folks. I think we may be considering something less than an ALL group ride as the departure date approaches. Large numbers of motorcycles on the BRP is workable, but there will undoubtadly be some scene or another some will want to stop at and others will want to continue past. The PLAN will be updated with suggestions on how to cope with larger numbers. Here's hoping for perfect weather! Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 08:58:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14378; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07625; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06339 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:57:20 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:55:56 -0500 Received: from WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL [160.151.107.198] by dclink.com with smtp id AIDHCNCJ ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:55:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Kicked my first car Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:02:13 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd63b7$b6c87f40$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Chris, I think it's a kind of entertaining story, but scary. You may want to take down the tag number and report people like that in the future. While I probably would have done the same thing, it makes motorcyclists look bad as a group. (Flamers, please do not attack! Like I said, I think the kicking was damn well justified, but people have a negative image of bikers and all they saw was a biker being greedy and kicking that poor old lady's car.) She's lucky that you were as nice as you were.... too bad she's probably another ignorant SOB that will never admit fault! Damn I hate people! Later, Jay -----Original Message----- >From: cnorloff@XXXXXX To: Jaynik Date: Thursday, April 09, 1998 9:39 AM Subject: Kicked my first car > >I suppose it's time to 'fess up. This is something I learned when hang >gliding during college - my fellow pilots and I had an agreement that the >biggest danger in hang gliding was the male ego. So when one of us screwed >up, we'd talk about it to share information and to ensure we didn't get >cocky. It was also a useful reminder about how quickly things can go bad, >even when you think you've got things under control. > >So ... I kicked my first car. > >I had several stressors at both home and work, so my fuse was short. I >realized this as I rode in, staying in the left lane more, and feeling more >irritated at slow cars blocking the left lane and at HOV scofflaws. But I >didn't do anything about my mood. > >Lesson no. 1 - When I notice that my mood is sour, scale everything back a >notch. Immediately. > >Eastbound on Independence Ave (SW) just before the Tidal Basin, the left of >three lanes ends and the road narrows to two lanes. I don't like how the >car drivers bunch up there, so I stay in the far right lane. However, I >have to be in the left lane after the bridge over the Tidal Basin, so I >move over as soon as possible, once clear of the merge. > >On that day, I moved over before the merge because the traffic in front was >moving well, and there were no cars anywhere near behind me. As the left >lane next to me was ending, I noticed in my mirror a car approaching >quickly in the left lane. I stayed in the left side of my lane and pulled >up closer to the car in front of me to give plenty of room behind, and to >discourage the driver from cutting in front of me. > >Lesson no. 2 - Once I've decided that a particular area is too dangerous, >don't go back just because it looks okay. One reason I had decided it was >dangerous is because bad things happen quickly. Many drivers are still in >"fast mode" after coming in on I-66. > >The car driver pulled up alongside me, rear bumper about even with the back >of my bike, and moved over to push me out of the lane. I was furious, I >lost it, I kicked her car twice, and she moved back. I proceeded as I was, >shaking my fist at her, and she pulled in behind me. > >Lesson no. 3 - After an altercation with a car driver, I don't want the car >driver behind me. I want them in front of me, where I can see them easier >and where it's harder for them to attack me. The only exception might be >if I want to make a quick getaway, and can do so - but by then I was in no >condition to split lanes or do any high-demand riding, and I knew it. > >When I stopped at the next light, the attacking driver was right behind me. > I got off my bike and walked back. The car was a white American sedan, it >looked like a GM, maybe an Oldsmobile. The driver was a middle-aged white >lady with glasses and white hair. "What's your problem?" she sneered at >me. I asked why she did that. She played dumb. I said you deliberately >pulled beside me then tried to run me off the road She blamed me for being >in her way when the lane ended. I said "You do that again lady, and you're >going to get shot." Traffic was backing up now. I walked back to my bike >and rode off. She turned off the road and was gone. > > >When I thought I had chosen a reasonable path through this area, it turned >out that this car driver could endanger me very quickly. Being in a lane >next to a merge lane is a bad place to be because out-of-control car >drivers can come up from behind and the situation can go to hell real quickly. > >I'm not proud of what I did, in fact, I think it was pretty stupid. It >might sound heroic to get back at the car, but it can easily be the "last >great act of defiance" as the car driver twitches the steering wheel and >sends the bike and rider flying off the road. I tend to doubt the lady >learned anything, though hopefully she'll think twice before trying to >force a bike off the road again. Her actions were as close to assault as I >think they can be, but I actually doubt she meant it that way. I think >she's just a middle-aged white lady used to getting her way. > >it's a jungle out there, >Chris Norloff > > >P.S. Yes, Chris Meier, this is it. But I bet you already figured that out! > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 08:59:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14386; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07634; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06362 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6395.661BD960@XXXXXX>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:56:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:56:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 21 TEXT Sorry for not being military except in my attitude according to my husband, but what's a claymore? ---------- From: Jordan, Michael[SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 8:47 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Chris (et.al.), When I spent some time in an exotic southeast Asian country at my Uncle's expense a few years ago, the Army types used to line the sides of their trucks with Claymores to discourage other people from getting too close. Wonder where I can find some now... Michael (USAF Ret.) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 09:16:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14706; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07935; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06831 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A9E7160144; Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:15:19 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409091518.00edab50@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:15:18 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Kicked my first car In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:47 AM 4/9/98 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote: >Chris (et.al.), > >When I spent some time in an exotic southeast Asian country at my >Uncle's expense a few years ago, the Army types used to line the sides >of their trucks with Claymores to discourage other people from getting >too close. > >Wonder where I can find some now... I've thought of using ammo cans for saddlebags - they make dandy saddlebags, and are virtually indestructible. Plue they give the "combat" look to the bike. I suspect car drivers would not want to tangle with those metal corners. It does make lane-splitting a bit more dicey, though. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 09:16:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14705; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07937; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06834 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A9E8160144; Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:15:20 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409091637.00ed5b00@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:16:37 -0400 To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Kicked my first car In-Reply-To: <01bd63b7$b6c87f40$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:02 AM 4/9/98 -0400, Jay wrote: >I think it's a kind of entertaining story, but scary. You may want to take >down the tag number and report people like that in the future. While I >probably would have done the same thing, it makes motorcyclists look bad as >a group. (Flamers, please do not attack! Like I said, I think the kicking >was damn well justified, but people have a negative image of bikers and all >they saw was a biker being greedy and kicking that poor old lady's car.) Maybe. But they might have seen her try to push me off the road. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 09:29:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14907; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08078; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07283 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA13788; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352CCC87.538EAF5E@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:26:31 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Kicked my first car References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tracy, Claymores are a type of mine that the military (and militia men, I suppose he he) use.... They are fairly directional and quite potent. tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Sorry for not being military except in my attitude according to my husband, but what's a claymore? -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 09:31:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14932; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08099; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07314 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:29:58 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.76.144]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA28233; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:29:25 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980409092849.006ac568@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:28:49 -0500 To: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Kicked my first car Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980409082734.00ec6b90@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Chris-- I hope she didn't get your license number. A cop may be sympathetic to you re: kicking, but telling her she's gonna get shot may cause you some trouble. Not that I'd have wanted to do anything different at the time.... Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 09:49:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15133; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08493; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07683 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A195410144; Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:48:05 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409094907.00eb5100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:49:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Kicked my first car In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980409092849.006ac568@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> References: <3.0.1.32.19980409082734.00ec6b90@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:28 AM 4/9/98 -0500, klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: >I hope she didn't get your license number. A cop may be sympathetic to you >re: kicking, but telling her she's gonna get shot may cause you some >trouble. Not that I'd have wanted to do anything different at the time.... I worried about that, too. I decided that my response, if questionned, would be that it was a warning to her - that there are drivers who would shoot her for attacking them. I wouldn't, and I didn't exactly say I would (though that might get lost in repeating the story). I also decided that, if questionned, my kicking was to get her to back off, because she was pushing me into the other lane where I believed there was traffic. I didn't brake because I was worried about her snagging part of my bike as she moved past me and would pull me over onto my side. I didn't blow my horn because I was certain she knew I was there, having just pullled alongside me. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 10:01:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15362; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08710; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08075 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA16343; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:04:05 -0400 Message-ID: <352CD450.A97D5DF4@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:59:44 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kicked my first car References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Sorry for not being military except in my attitude according to my husband, but what's a claymore? It's a directional land-mine. I wouldn't want to ride in that truck. The back side of a claymore is damn near as dangerous as the front side. I do like the ammo can idea. They come in different sizes, so you could mount the little ones as warning when you don't need the big ones for cargo. OTOH, I haven't had a problem with cars trying to take my space for the last couple of years. Maybe its the paint job. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 10:09:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15542; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08831; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08301 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2PN7MRVF>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:08:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:10:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Mighty unlikely that an idiot like that wants the cops knowing her name and license plate number (which would happen if she reported you) ...probably driving on borrowed points anyway. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 9:49 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Kicked my first car > > At 09:28 AM 4/9/98 -0500, klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: > >I hope she didn't get your license number. A cop may be sympathetic to > you > >re: kicking, but telling her she's gonna get shot may cause you some > >trouble. Not that I'd have wanted to do anything different at the > time.... > > I worried about that, too. I decided that my response, if questionned, > would be that it was a warning to her - that there are drivers who would > shoot her for attacking them. I wouldn't, and I didn't exactly say I > would > (though that might get lost in repeating the story). > > I also decided that, if questionned, my kicking was to get her to back > off, > because she was pushing me into the other lane where I believed there was > traffic. I didn't brake because I was worried about her snagging part of > my bike as she moved past me and would pull me over onto my side. I > didn't > blow my horn because I was certain she knew I was there, having just > pullled alongside me. > > That's my story and I'm stickin' to it, > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 10:13:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15594; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08894; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08385 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA24332 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:11:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA09198 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:11:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980409141147.UHCI18677@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:11:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Deal's Gap X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980409141147.UHCI18677@[166.41.242.141]> http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/brp/default.htm Tom Gimer wrote: >Todd: >Please post the URL to the DC-Cycles Deal's Gap page again. Every few days I >like to see the progress of the group and my inbox file got deleted in my >switchover to the newest version of Nestscape. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 10:30:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15796; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09081; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08814 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt.erols.com (207-172-60-49.s49.tnt7.brd.erols.com [207.172.60.49]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04349; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804091429.KAA04349@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "Thomas H. Gimer" Cc: Subject: Re: Sat. Summit Pt. Ride Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:27:28 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From the Capital Beltway take the Route 95 South exit towards Richmond. Then take the first exit onto Franconia Road (East). Go through the first light. The Silver Diner will be on the right hand side in front of Springfield Mall. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: Thomas H. Gimer > To: Roy D. Turner > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sat. Summit Pt. Ride > Date: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:50 PM > > Please give directions to Silver Diner from 495. As far as the route is > concerned, it all depends on how fast we want to get there. > > Roy D. Turner wrote: > > > I propose we leave from the Silver Diner parking lot in front of > > Springfield Mall no later than 10:30 a.m. on Saturday morning. Anyone have > > a suggested route? Roy D. Turner, Esq. > > > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > 94' ZX-11 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 10:43:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16026; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09299; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09173 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA12898 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA12050 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980409144146.UUNN18677@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:41:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kicked my first car X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980409144146.UUNN18677@[166.41.242.141]> Hey Chris, Thanks for taking the time to get it off your chest. I completely understand how you felt as I've been in the same situation a couple of times. Once, a woman in a minivan tapped me from the rear. She wasn't paying attention. My fist came down hard on her hood and she looked at me and mouthed "sorry". Another time some nit cut me to the quick on columbia pike from left to right. I was in that 'mood' you describe and decided to do something. At about 40mph, I had my boot up and 'wham' off came the sideview mirror. At that point I took off and never got the reaction. I just felt stupid. Just recently while rolling up to the cornerworker school, a truck driver hauling lawnmowers moved right to left into my lane, squeezing me out the back between him and his buddy on my left (another truck/lmower). I was so pissed, I moved to his right side and up to the mirror, slapping it as I passed, with an f-u salute to boot. This time I didn't feel stupid, I was mad and I probably should have shut down for a couple minutes. Road Rage I think is what it's called these days. Todd Chris Norloff wrote: >So ... I kicked my first car. >The car driver pulled up alongside me, rear bumper about even with the back >of my bike, and moved over to push me out of the lane. I was furious, I >lost it, I kicked her car twice, and she moved back. I proceeded as I was, >shaking my fist at her, and she pulled in behind me. >it's a jungle out there, Oh yeah! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 10:54:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16382; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09753; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09744 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:52:57 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:51:32 -0500 Received: from WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL [160.151.107.198] by dclink.com with smtp id AKDDAHFE ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:51:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: "EXUP Brotherhood" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Baltimore Cycles List" Cc: "Davin" , "Jon Schumer" Subject: James Kidwell's "The Pace" Page Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:57:25 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd63c7$cf2397e0$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD63A6.4811F7E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD63A6.4811F7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know if I've sent this out already, but this is an excellent technique for group rides. Just FYI stuff. I thought it was cool. Jay http://www.nku.edu/~kidwell/hobby/pace.html ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD63A6.4811F7E0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="James Kidwell's The Pace Page.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="James Kidwell's The Pace Page.url" [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.nku.edu/~kidwell/hobby/pace.html Modified=C08C9079C763BD013D ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD63A6.4811F7E0-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 10:59:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16458; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09955; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itm07.itmassociates.com (known [207.154.22.7] [207.154.22.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09990 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itm04.itmassociates.com ([207.154.22.4]) by itm07.itmassociates.com (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 852565E1.00524330; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:58:31 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980409145729.00991bec@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: us004937@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:57:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Space Subject: RE: Deal's Gap How far is the total trip to get to Deal's Gap in miles? Is it closer to 500 or 750? From what I can tell on the web page, it reads like its 750 or so. Maps On Us.com computes out to about 560 or so. Being a beginner, I kind of agree on the philosophy below. I am still working my way up to 50 or so miles in a day around town and back roads. I'm just a wuss. I think it may also be the fact that Brian had setup the front end of his bike perfectly for his weight, of which I weigh 80+ less pounds. So right now you could say it rides a little firm and my wrists are usually sore the next day. Maybe in two weeks I will jump up onto the fence and consider going but not just yet. If my rebuild holds together and I get those front fork preloads out, I will strongly consider going. Later Rob Space 86 VF500 At 08:47 AM 4/9/98 -0400, you wrote: >All - > >Been looking over the plans == > http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/brp/default.htm > >- Just a suggestion: > >I see that we are taking some scenic routes on the way down (3 days worth - >and me in the cage with kids) - could we cut down that down to just >Thursday and Friday and get there Friday? There's a lot of riding in the >area of Deal's Gap that can be done from a central location. > >My concerns are with some of the newer riders who have only gone a 100-150 >miles in a day won't able to come back 500 miles in one day on Memorial Day >which is at the end of the trip and when everyone is most tired. I was >thinking more of a 200 mile day on Thursday and another 300 or so on >Friday. Newer riders should be able to push themselves to do that. So >come Sunday, we could start heading back at the same pace except 300 miles >on Sunday and 200 on Monday. Don't want anyone getting hurt or make stupid >mistakes from being tired. > >That leaves Saturday rather than Sunday to do the Deal's Gap thang or any >other riding. Will have to do some camp re-arranging but hopefully that >shouldn't be too much of a chore? I can help with that. > >Let me know what you all think. > >Tracy > >PS - don't know how long the plan has been there so I'm sorry for not >sending this suggestion sooner - lost the URL and had to go through Louis's >DC Cycles page (http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dc-rides.htm) to find it >after sorting though all the e-mail junk I do keep just to find Louis's >page. > > >---------- >From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 4:08 PM >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Deal's Gap > >All > >Wow! That Deal's Gap trip is starting to shape up into something >tangible. >Here's how the numbers break out: > >23 people have shown an interest. > >10 of us will be riding down on the extended tour. > 3 of us are riding a Saddle Sore down to meet the rest. > 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). > 2 of us in chase vehicles. > >This is a pretty good showing so far folks. I think we may be considering >something less than an ALL group ride as the departure date approaches. >Large numbers of motorcycles on the BRP is workable, but there will >undoubtadly be some scene or another some will want to stop at and >others will want to continue past. The PLAN will be updated with >suggestions >on how to cope with larger numbers. > >Here's hoping for perfect weather! > >Todd >+-----------------------------+---------------+ >| '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | >| '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | >| '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | >+-----------------------------+---------------+ > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 11:00:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16484; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09990; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10030 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA2836 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:51:45 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:58:12 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:59:06 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Kicked my first car -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Have to admit, as long as we're confessing, that I once smacked the passenger side window with the palm of my studded roadrace glove in a similar situation. Must've made a helluva noise . . . Joe Nagy >>> Chris Norloff - 4/9/98 8:27 AM >>> I suppose it's time to 'fess up. This is something I learned when hang gliding during college - my fellow pilots and I had an agreement that the biggest danger in hang gliding was the male ego. So when one of us screwed up, we'd talk about it to share information and to ensure we didn't get cocky. It was also a useful reminder about how quickly things can go bad, even when you think you've got things under control. So ... I kicked my first car. I had several stressors at both home and work, so my fuse was short. I realized this as I rode in, staying in the left lane more, and feeling more irritated at slow cars blocking the left lane and at HOV scofflaws. But I didn't do anything about my mood. Lesson no. 1 - When I notice that my mood is sour, scale everything back a notch. Immediately. Eastbound on Independence Ave (SW) just before the Tidal Basin, the left of three lanes ends and the road narrows to two lanes. I don't like how the car drivers bunch up there, so I stay in the far right lane. However, I have to be in the left lane after the bridge over the Tidal Basin, so I move over as soon as possible, once clear of the merge. On that day, I moved over before the merge because the traffic in front was moving well, and there were no cars anywhere near behind me. As the left lane next to me was ending, I noticed in my mirror a car approaching quickly in the left lane. I stayed in the left side of my lane and pulled up closer to the car in front of me to give plenty of room behind, and to discourage the driver from cutting in front of me. Lesson no. 2 - Once I've decided that a particular area is too dangerous, don't go back just because it looks okay. One reason I had decided it was dangerous is because bad things happen quickly. Many drivers are still in "fast mode" after coming in on I-66. The car driver pulled up alongside me, rear bumper about even with the back of my bike, and moved over to push me out of the lane. I was furious, I lost it, I kicked her car twice, and she moved back. I proceeded as I was, shaking my fist at her, and she pulled in behind me. Lesson no. 3 - After an altercation with a car driver, I don't want the car driver behind me. I want them in front of me, where I can see them easier and where it's harder for them to attack me. The only exception might be if I want to make a quick getaway, and can do so - but by then I was in no condition to split lanes or do any high-demand riding, and I knew it. When I stopped at the next light, the attacking driver was right behind me. I got off my bike and walked back. The car was a white American sedan, it looked like a GM, maybe an Oldsmobile. The driver was a middle-aged white lady with glasses and white hair. "What's your problem?" she sneered at me. I asked why she did that. She played dumb. I said you deliberately pulled beside me then tried to run me off the road She blamed me for being in her way when the lane ended. I said "You do that again lady, and you're going to get shot." Traffic was backing up now. I walked back to my bike and rode off. She turned off the road and was gone. When I thought I had chosen a reasonable path through this area, it turned out that this car driver could endanger me very quickly. Being in a lane next to a merge lane is a bad place to be because out-of-control car drivers can come up from behind and the situation can go to hell real quickly. I'm not proud of what I did, in fact, I think it was pretty stupid. It might sound heroic to get back at the car, but it can easily be the "last great act of defiance" as the car driver twitches the steering wheel and sends the bike and rider flying off the road. I tend to doubt the lady learned anything, though hopefully she'll think twice before trying to force a bike off the road again. Her actions were as close to assault as I think they can be, but I actually doubt she meant it that way. I think she's just a middle-aged white lady used to getting her way. it's a jungle out there, Chris Norloff P.S. Yes, Chris Meier, this is it. But I bet you already figured that out! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 11:02:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16518; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10121; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10113 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA12152 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:02:13 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:02:13 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:04:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 14 TEXT >I was mad and I probably should have shut down for a couple >minutes. >Road Rage I think is what it's called these days. Todd, OTOH - it's a normal reaction to someone who has just tried to kill you. I don't think that I'd mind it so much if the attempt was driven by personal reasons, but I find the thought of being killed just because some a*****e wasn't paying attention somewhat annoying. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 11:06:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16598; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10229; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29358 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A3BB9F0146; Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:05:31 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409110706.00f177d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:07:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Kicked my first car In-Reply-To: <19980409144146.UUNN18677@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:37 AM 4/9/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > Thanks for taking the time to get it off your chest. I completely >understand how you felt as I've been in the same situation a couple >of times. ... >I was so pissed, I moved to his right side and up to the mirror, slapping >it as I passed, with an f-u salute to boot. This time I didn't feel >stupid, I was mad and I probably should have shut down for a couple >minutes. > > Road Rage I think is what it's called these days. Sure is, and it's not always on the part of the pissed-off person. I think the Rage is also part of the driver who deliberately cuts people off, etc. One of the problems is our lack of ability to control the situation. Cagers just push us and we have to give. However, I've been wondering about more effective responses - 1. Even louder horns. Not just your basic loud aftermarket horns, but BF Trucker horns or locomotive horns. I know you can get physically impractical here, but something loud enough to cause a heart attack would be nice. 2. Tires screeching. Years ago, a pedestrian ran out in front of me while looking to the right (not very smart, eh?). I had plenty of room to react, so I decided to just lock the rear wheel - the look on his face as he heard the screeching tire was precious, absolutely precious. So I wonder if a feasible response is to hit the horns and lock the rear wheel (after pulling in the clutch, of course). The combination of horns and screeching tire sends an unequivocal message. Disclaimer - of course, this is supposing that you are out of the way. The smart thing to do is get out of the way immediately. These ideas are just to find a way to get a cager to drive responsibly. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 11:08:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16615; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10258; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10287 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 312; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:06:43 -0400 Message-ID: <352CE44C.E7E20FFA@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:07:56 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Kicked my first car References: <3.0.1.32.19980409082734.00ec6b90@mail.toward.com> <3.0.1.32.19980409094907.00eb5100@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > That's my story and I'm stickin' to it, > Chris Norloff Sorry you had such a crappy commute. I hate people sometimes. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 11:25:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16859; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10712; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10757 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA24675; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:21:25 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E588@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:22:30 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain You're right, road rage (when I've had it directed at me) usually always comes from the person in the WRONG, that's weird, isn't it!!?? Just like that old lady today!! I had some guy chase my off an off-ramp because he cut ME off!! Well, he backed off when I pulled out my handy-dandy big ice scraper & started shaking it at him in the rear view. Those are the times I'm glad I don't own a gun. My red-headed temper would put me in jail for sure. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 11:07 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Kicked my first car > > > Sure is, and it's not always on the part of the pissed-off person. I > think > the Rage is also part of the driver who deliberately cuts people off, > etc. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 11:36:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17047; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11407; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11038 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id AA6E9E0140; Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:34:06 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409113447.00f09b60@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:34:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Kicked my first car In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E588@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:22 AM 4/9/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >You're right, road rage (when I've had it directed at me) usually always >comes from the person in the WRONG, that's weird, isn't it!!?? Just >like that old lady today!! >I had some guy chase my off an off-ramp because he cut ME off!! Well, >he backed off when I pulled out my handy-dandy big ice scraper & started >shaking it at him in the rear view. Those are the times I'm glad I >don't own a gun. My red-headed temper would put me in jail for sure. I've heard of cases when women in cars were threatened that just holding up a cell phone was enough to get the guy to back off. You could probably even use a toy phone. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 11:44:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17199; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11702; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11261 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA17555; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA04802; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:41:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980409154150.SHIN500@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:41:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX CC: Subject: RE: Deal's Gap X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980409154150.SHIN500@[166.41.242.141]> Everyone going to Deal's Gap, Tracy is bringing up a concern I also share. New to longer distance riders might find it a little intimidating to run 500 miles in one day. And if the wx turns bad, that just makes it worse. However, the BRP is chock full of excellent scenary that a lot of us haven't seen yet. I don't think people should be rushed and end up missing some nice stuff. Delormes Map-n-go calculates 673 miles from Springfield Mall, down i95 across through Charlottesville and getting on the BRP in Waynesboro. >From there, just stay on the BRP to Cherokee, to Bryson City, to 28 and Fontana Village. A 190 mile afternoon from Springfield to just above Roanoke is about 4.5 hours. That'd put us at a camping area around 7:30 to 8:30 considering rest and gas stops (don't forget dinner!). That still leaves us 483 very scenic miles to cover to reach Fontana Village (couple miles from Deal's Gap). Calculated at 45mph, that's 10.7hours of riding with NO stops! I just don't think we can make it down there on Friday. However, we could ride as far as possible on Friday which should still put us at Fontana Village sometime around noon on Saturday. Here is a suggestion. Let's talk this over in detail at the Spring Fling. New riders should absolutely show up with concerns. Todd Robert Space Wrote: >How far is the total trip to get to Deal's Gap in miles? Is it closer to >500 or 750? From what I can tell on the web page, it reads like its 750 or >so. Maps On Us.com computes out to about 560 or so. Tracy Horstman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Been looking over the plans == http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/brp/default.htm - Just a suggestion: I see that we are taking some scenic routes on the way down (3 days worth - and me in the cage with kids) - could we cut down that down to just Thursday and Friday and get there Friday? There's a lot of riding in the area of Deal's Gap that can be done from a central location. My concerns are with some of the newer riders who have only gone a 100-150 miles in a day won't able to come back 500 miles in one day on Memorial Day which is at the end of the trip and when everyone is most tired. I was thinking more of a 200 mile day on Thursday and another 300 or so on Friday. Newer riders should be able to push themselves to do that. So come Sunday, we could start heading back at the same pace except 300 miles on Sunday and 200 on Monday. Don't want anyone getting hurt or make stupid mistakes from being tired. That leaves Saturday rather than Sunday to do the Deal's Gap thang or any other riding. Will have to do some camp re-arranging but hopefully that shouldn't be too much of a chore? I can help with that. Let me know what you all think. Tracy PS - don't know how long the plan has been there so I'm sorry for not sending this suggestion sooner - lost the URL and had to go through Louis's DC Cycles page (http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dc-rides.htm) to find it after sorting though all the e-mail junk I do keep just to find Louis's page. ---------- From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 4:08 PM To: dc-cycles Subject: Deal's Gap All Wow! That Deal's Gap trip is starting to shape up into something tangible. Here's how the numbers break out: 23 people have shown an interest. 10 of us will be riding down on the extended tour. 3 of us are riding a Saddle Sore down to meet the rest. 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). 2 of us in chase vehicles. This is a pretty good showing so far folks. I think we may be considering something less than an ALL group ride as the departure date approaches. Large numbers of motorcycles on the BRP is workable, but there will undoubtadly be some scene or another some will want to stop at and others will want to continue past. The PLAN will be updated with suggestions on how to cope with larger numbers. Here's hoping for perfect weather! Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 12:32:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18165; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14218; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13416 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2RAQ9ZMZ>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:06:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Robert Space , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Weld . . . BOOM! Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:06:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I didn't cut mine in half. I went right out to OX road to the recycling center and throw it in with the metals or where people dispose of their appliances. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Sorry to add to it but ... I have a gas tank I need to dispose of properly > so I called the number they give you on the Vienna Town Flyer and the lady > on the phone told me to take it to the Fairfax dump BUT it had to be cut in > half. I have a Sawz-all, but I'll bet that there's a pretty good chance > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 12:32:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18217; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14223; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13428 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2S6RH355>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:30:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:30:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I wouldn't worry about it at all. It her word against yours. Let here try and prove that you said she would get shot. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > At 09:28 AM 4/9/98 -0500, klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: > >I hope she didn't get your license number. A cop may be sympathetic to you > >re: kicking, but telling her she's gonna get shot may cause you some > >trouble. Not that I'd have wanted to do anything different at the time.... > > I worried about that, too. I decided that my response, if questionned, > would be that it was a warning to her - that there are drivers who would > shoot her for attacking them. I wouldn't, and I didn't exactly say I would > (though that might get lost in repeating the story). > > I also decided that, if questionned, my kicking was to get her to back off, > because she was pushing me into the other lane where I believed there was > traffic. I didn't brake because I was worried about her snagging part of > my bike as she moved past me and would pull me over onto my side. I didn't > blow my horn because I was certain she knew I was there, having just > pullled alongside me. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 12:56:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18838; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14826; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known welchlink.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14625 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (pool-207-205-218-239_pitb.grid.net [207.205.218.239] (may be forged)) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA22009; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409125629.0069f808@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 12:56:29 -0400 To: Todd Peer From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Cc: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX, In-Reply-To: <19980409154150.SHIN500@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:37 AM 4/9/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >Everyone going to Deal's Gap, >Delormes Map-n-go calculates 673 miles from Springfield Mall, down >i95 across through Charlottesville and getting on the BRP in Waynesboro. >From there, just stay on the BRP to Cherokee, to Bryson City, to 28 >and Fontana Village.all the e-mail junk I do keep just to find Louis's >page. FYI, many sections of the BRP are still (!!!) closed and may not reopen for some time. Before you go, check http://www.nps.gov/blri/ and call (704) 298-0398 for info so you can plan a reasonable route mixing the BRP and other roads. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 13:05:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18993; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15188; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14958 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 238 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:02:57 -0400 Message-ID: <352CFF89.9C04D84A@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 13:04:09 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Confessions of angry bikers? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JOE NAGY wrote: > > Have to admit, as long as we're confessing, that I once smacked the > passenger side window with the palm of my studded roadrace glove in a > similar situation. Must've made a helluva noise . . . I once stuck out my tongue at an idiot cager who really yanked my chain, but I didn't get a reaction. And I found out the inside of my full face helmet doesn't taste very good, either! :-) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 13:28:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19438; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16071; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15872 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A4E77700DC; Thu, 09 Apr 1998 13:27:03 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409132816.00f28630@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 13:28:16 -0400 To: "horkster" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Confessions of angry bikers? In-Reply-To: <352CFF89.9C04D84A@tidalwave.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:04 PM 4/9/98 -0400, horkster wrote: >JOE NAGY wrote: >> >> Have to admit, as long as we're confessing, that I once smacked the >> passenger side window with the palm of my studded roadrace glove in a >> similar situation. Must've made a helluva noise . . . > >I once stuck out my tongue at an idiot cager who really yanked >my chain, but I didn't get a reaction. And I found out the >inside of my full face helmet doesn't taste very good, either! :-) I find that giving people the finger, while you're wearing mittens, has some similarities to that. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 13:36:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19655; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16504; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16320 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD63BC.038792E0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:33:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:32:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 122 TEXT You got it! The computer's handy - in the rec room where there's plenty of space to crowd around it need be. Tracy ---------- From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 11:37 AM To: Horstman, Tracy L @ Manassas Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Everyone going to Deal's Gap, Tracy is bringing up a concern I also share. New to longer distance riders might find it a little intimidating to run 500 miles in one day. And if the wx turns bad, that just makes it worse. However, the BRP is chock full of excellent scenary that a lot of us haven't seen yet. I don't think people should be rushed and end up missing some nice stuff. Delormes Map-n-go calculates 673 miles from Springfield Mall, down i95 across through Charlottesville and getting on the BRP in Waynesboro. >From there, just stay on the BRP to Cherokee, to Bryson City, to 28 and Fontana Village. A 190 mile afternoon from Springfield to just above Roanoke is about 4.5 hours. That'd put us at a camping area around 7:30 to 8:30 considering rest and gas stops (don't forget dinner!). That still leaves us 483 very scenic miles to cover to reach Fontana Village (couple miles from Deal's Gap). Calculated at 45mph, that's 10.7hours of riding with NO stops! I just don't think we can make it down there on Friday. However, we could ride as far as possible on Friday which should still put us at Fontana Village sometime around noon on Saturday. Here is a suggestion. Let's talk this over in detail at the Spring Fling. New riders should absolutely show up with concerns. Todd Robert Space Wrote: >How far is the total trip to get to Deal's Gap in miles? Is it closer to >500 or 750? From what I can tell on the web page, it reads like its 750 or >so. Maps On Us.com computes out to about 560 or so. Tracy Horstman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Been looking over the plans == http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/brp/default.htm - Just a suggestion: I see that we are taking some scenic routes on the way down (3 days worth - and me in the cage with kids) - could we cut down that down to just Thursday and Friday and get there Friday? There's a lot of riding in the area of Deal's Gap that can be done from a central location. My concerns are with some of the newer riders who have only gone a 100-150 miles in a day won't able to come back 500 miles in one day on Memorial Day which is at the end of the trip and when everyone is most tired. I was thinking more of a 200 mile day on Thursday and another 300 or so on Friday. Newer riders should be able to push themselves to do that. So come Sunday, we could start heading back at the same pace except 300 miles on Sunday and 200 on Monday. Don't want anyone getting hurt or make stupid mistakes from being tired. That leaves Saturday rather than Sunday to do the Deal's Gap thang or any other riding. Will have to do some camp re-arranging but hopefully that shouldn't be too much of a chore? I can help with that. Let me know what you all think. Tracy PS - don't know how long the plan has been there so I'm sorry for not sending this suggestion sooner - lost the URL and had to go through Louis's DC Cycles page (http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dc-rides.htm) to find it after sorting though all the e-mail junk I do keep just to find Louis's page. ---------- From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 4:08 PM To: dc-cycles Subject: Deal's Gap All Wow! That Deal's Gap trip is starting to shape up into something tangible. Here's how the numbers break out: 23 people have shown an interest. 10 of us will be riding down on the extended tour. 3 of us are riding a Saddle Sore down to meet the rest. 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). 2 of us in chase vehicles. This is a pretty good showing so far folks. I think we may be considering something less than an ALL group ride as the departure date approaches. Large numbers of motorcycles on the BRP is workable, but there will undoubtadly be some scene or another some will want to stop at and others will want to continue past. The PLAN will be updated with suggestions on how to cope with larger numbers. Here's hoping for perfect weather! Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 13:44:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19849; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17327; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16862 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1AJEa11819 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:41:52 -0500 (EDT) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <62104189.352d0861@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:41:52 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Confessions of angry bikers? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 4/9/98 1:41:23 PM, cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: << Have to admit, as long as we're confessing, that I once smacked the >> passenger side window with the palm of my studded roadrace glove in a >> similar situation. Must've made a helluva noise . . . > >I once stuck out my tongue at an idiot cager who really yanked >my chain, but I didn't get a reaction. And I found out the >inside of my full face helmet doesn't taste very good, either! :-) I find that giving people the finger, while you're wearing mittens, has some similarities to that.>> and I've found that giving the evil eye is not the most satisfying form of revenge...... :D ..... no matter how intensely you give it Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 13:54:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20003; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17550; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17306 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD63BE.89622A90@XXXXXX>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:51:03 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Confessions of angry bikers? Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:51:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 17 TEXT >>I once stuck out my tongue at an idiot cager who really yanked >>my chain, but I didn't get a reaction. And I found out the >>inside of my full face helmet doesn't taste very good, either! :-) ----------------------- Have to admit I have smacked the side of a mommy van with my foot. Won't ever do that again. Think it scared me more than it did her. As for road rage. I just relax, take it easy...I make a point of being nice to someone (be I on bike or in cage) - just maybe it'll rub off and then they will do the same for someone else. You know what they say - smile, it's contagious. Tracy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 14:01:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20113; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17761; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17583 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2S6RHSVK>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:01:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Todd Peer , tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:02:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Its at least 1/2 hour faster to take US 29 to Charlottesville instead of I-95 to I-64. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Delormes Map-n-go calculates 673 miles from Springfield Mall, down > i95 across through Charlottesville and getting on the BRP in Waynesboro. > From there, just stay on the BRP to Cherokee, to Bryson City, to 28 > and Fontana Village. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 14:03:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20142; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17814; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17636 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id OAA17454; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:59:50 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E594@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Jinn Sinn'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Confessions of angry bikers? Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:00:56 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yes, I'm not even sure if cagers understand my "talk to the hand" gesture. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Jinn Sinn [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 1:42 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: Confessions of angry bikers? > > > In a message dated 4/9/98 1:41:23 PM, cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: > > << Have to admit, as long as we're confessing, that I once smacked the > >> passenger side window with the palm of my studded roadrace glove in > a > >> similar situation. Must've made a helluva noise . . . > > > >I once stuck out my tongue at an idiot cager who really yanked > >my chain, but I didn't get a reaction. And I found out the > >inside of my full face helmet doesn't taste very good, either! :-) > > > I find that giving people the finger, while you're wearing mittens, > has > some similarities to that.>> > > and I've found that giving the evil eye is not the most satisfying > form of > revenge...... :D ..... no matter how intensely you give it > > Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 14:07:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20242; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18057; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17847 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12603 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:06:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10751 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804091806.OAA10751@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Confessions of angry bikers? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:06:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text At 01:04 PM 4/9/98 -0400, horkster wrote: >JOE NAGY wrote: >> >> Have to admit, as long as we're confessing, that I once smacked the >> passenger side window with the palm of my studded roadrace glove in a >> similar situation. Must've made a helluva noise . . . > >I once stuck out my tongue at an idiot cager who really yanked >my chain, but I didn't get a reaction. And I found out the >inside of my full face helmet doesn't taste very good, either! :-) You mean not everyone coats the inside of their helmet with peppermints, lollipops, or some other hard candy? ;-) Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | Entrant #19, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 14:20:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20406; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18434; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (known sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18246 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA06164 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xcgca007.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.78]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA20198 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGCA007 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <2LQQ2ZH4>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:58:13 -0700 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B8E@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX, "'Todd Peer'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:56:53 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 11:37 AM > To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Deal's Gap --snip-- > Tracy is bringing up a concern I also share. New to longer distance > riders might find it a little intimidating to run 500 miles in one > day. > And if the wx turns bad, that just makes it worse. > --snip-- > Here is a suggestion. Let's talk this over in detail at the Spring > Fling. New riders should absolutely show up with concerns. > --snip-- > 23 people have shown an interest. > > 10 of us will be riding down on the extended tour. > 3 of us are riding a Saddle Sore down to meet the rest. > 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). > 2 of us in chase vehicles. > > This is a pretty good showing so far folks. I think we may be > considering > something less than an ALL group ride as the departure date > approaches. > Large numbers of motorcycles on the BRP is workable, but there will > undoubtadly be some scene or another some will want to stop at and > others will want to continue past. The PLAN will be updated with > suggestions > on how to cope with larger numbers. > Perhaps it is time to consider 3 groups, all converging once we get down there? We have the SS1000 group (have fun guys), the newbie-ish lower milers and some that will be in between. I know I have not committed yet, but it looks like I will be attending, and I can lead a group that wants to leave with the entire group and stay as a whole group the first night, but then would split off and leave ahead at a quicker or longer pace to go all the way to the gap on day two. We can set up a base camp for everybody when they get down there later on the next day. Just a thought ... Todd's suggestion to talk all this out at Dale and Tracy's sounds good. --chris PS. One last thing ... Keep in mind that this is MEMORIAL DAY weekend we are talking about. I would expect the roads to be more filled with travellers and have a larger Police presence than normal, thus slowing our travel times. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 14:25:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20480; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18639; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18439 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD63C2.DAA89B10@XXXXXX>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:21:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: Confessions of angry bikers? Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:21:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 30 TEXT Just a few stray bubble gum bubbles (nasty, nasty, nasty) ---------- From: Louis F. Caplan[SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 2:06 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Confessions of angry bikers? At 01:04 PM 4/9/98 -0400, horkster wrote: >JOE NAGY wrote: >> >> Have to admit, as long as we're confessing, that I once smacked the >> passenger side window with the palm of my studded roadrace glove in a >> similar situation. Must've made a helluva noise . . . > >I once stuck out my tongue at an idiot cager who really yanked >my chain, but I didn't get a reaction. And I found out the >inside of my full face helmet doesn't taste very good, either! :-) You mean not everyone coats the inside of their helmet with peppermints, lollipops, or some other hard candy? ;-) Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | Entrant #19, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 14:35:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20677; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18751; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18765 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24680 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:37:46 -0400 Message-ID: <352D1475.24B15F91@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 14:33:25 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Confessions of angry bikers? References: <62104189.352d0861@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh my, goodness gracious, is it any wonder that bikers have such a bad reputation. Now the rumor is that this DC-cycles gang is having a 'rumble' over Memorial Day weekend. Lock up your bunnies and kittens. Oh well, it could be worse, at least there isn't the worry about women getting shot and horses raped. Oh, wait, that's what started this thread in the first place. Leon Jinn Sinn wrote: > > In a message dated 4/9/98 1:41:23 PM, cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: > > << Have to admit, as long as we're confessing, that I once smacked the > >> passenger side window with the palm of my studded roadrace glove in a > >> similar situation. Must've made a helluva noise . . . > > > >I once stuck out my tongue at an idiot cager who really yanked > >my chain, but I didn't get a reaction. And I found out the > >inside of my full face helmet doesn't taste very good, either! :-) > > I find that giving people the finger, while you're wearing mittens, has > some similarities to that.>> > > and I've found that giving the evil eye is not the most satisfying form of > revenge...... :D ..... no matter how intensely you give it > > Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 14:46:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20933; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19430; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19122 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 333; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:43:19 -0400 Message-ID: <352D170C.40323FDB@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 14:44:28 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Deal's Gap References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > Its at least 1/2 hour faster to take US 29 to Charlottesville instead of I-95 to I-64. > Glenn, That depends on when/where you leave, 29 from Fairfax down to the Manassas battlefield can be a parking lot during the afternoon rush hour. Of course, I think you folks are leaving before all that mess starts to accumulate. I had to take a class at the Manassas NVCC campus once, what a pain that was. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 14:58:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21121; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20565; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19596 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:56:46 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:55:22 -0500 Received: from WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL [160.151.107.198] by dclink.com with smtp id AODGDHCA ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:54:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: My most "Angry Biker Experience" Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:01:18 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd63e9$e109fd60$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 A few years ago, when I was at Fort Carson, CO, there was some renovation going on at the back gate. The paved road was blocked off and we were forced to use a dirt road which had been covered with those big gray rocks. One night, a car was coming in the gate behing me and obviously wanted to go faster than I cared to on the rocks.... after having my heiny ridden for a little bit, I got aggravated and dumped the clutch, spitting a large quantity of those big gray rocks onto his car. He backed off and I went on my merry way. Smart, no, rewarding, yes! Later, Jay -----Original Message----- >From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX To: Jaynik Date: Thursday, April 09, 1998 3:49 PM Subject: RE: Confessions of angry bikers? > >Just a few stray bubble gum bubbles (nasty, nasty, nasty) > >---------- >From: Louis F. Caplan[SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 2:06 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Confessions of angry bikers? > > At 01:04 PM 4/9/98 -0400, horkster wrote: > >JOE NAGY wrote: > >> > >> Have to admit, as long as we're confessing, that I once smacked the > >> passenger side window with the palm of my studded roadrace glove in a > >> similar situation. Must've made a helluva noise . . . > > > >I once stuck out my tongue at an idiot cager who really yanked > >my chain, but I didn't get a reaction. And I found out the > >inside of my full face helmet doesn't taste very good, either! :-) > >You mean not everyone coats the inside of their helmet with peppermints, >lollipops, or some other hard candy? ;-) > >Louis > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm >Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | Entrant #19, Capitol 1000 >louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 15:02:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21177; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20774; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19715 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2S6RHT5S>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:02:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: horkster Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:02:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Why would you get on that part of 29 when your going that type of distance? HOV it out there on I-66 and get on 29 south at Gainesville. I guarantee you can make it faster then going I-95 at rush hour. Without rush hour I can make Charlottesville in 1:50 going 29. If I go to Richmond I-95 non rush hour it takes about 1.5 hours. Charlottesville is another hour from Richmond. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > That depends on when/where you leave, 29 from Fairfax down to the > Manassas battlefield can be a parking lot during the afternoon > rush hour. Of course, I think you folks are leaving before all that > mess starts to accumulate. I had to take a class at the Manassas > NVCC campus once, what a pain that was. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 15:09:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21281; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20906; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.crosslink.net (known hermes.crosslink.net [206.246.124.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19909 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18137 invoked from network); 9 Apr 1998 19:07:14 -0000 Received: from dyn02.pm1.leesburg.va.us.crosslink.net (HELO gwf) (206.246.86.98) by hermes.crosslink.net with SMTP; 9 Apr 1998 19:07:14 -0000 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: More Confessions of angry bikers? Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:08:11 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd63ea$d6d62f20$6256f6ce@gwf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I am not proud of this, and in this day and time I wouldn't do it, but I once had a lady toss her cigarette out right in my lap. At the next stop light, I pulled up beside her, motioned to her, and she rolled the window down thinking I was going to tell her something was wrong with her car, and I tossed it back in her lap and yelled "You dropped something". While she was scrambling, the light changed, and I was gone. Now days I'd probably be shot. Gary Foreman gforeman@XXXXXX http://www.fj1100.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 15:28:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22115; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21611; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21100 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p186.smart.net [206.97.127.186]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28628 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:26:29 -0400 Message-ID: <352D1FE8.57B574FC@smart.net> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 15:22:21 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Spring Fling Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can someone please repost the info regarding the Spring Fling party? TIA -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 16:18:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23200; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23335; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22720 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA02887 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:15:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA21841 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:15:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980409201507.COLO1614@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:15:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980409201507.COLO1614@[166.41.242.141]> I chose I95 out of springfield because we can use the HOV for as far as it goes and then turn off I95 at ThornBurg (about 50 miles south). We will not be going to Richmond, but cutting across via State Routes. Total distance this way is 198miles at 3:42 hours (according to DeLorme). Taking I66 out to 29 and heading south through Warrenton/Culpepper is 191miles at 3:31 hours. Can someone tell us if there is an excess of traffic beyond the end of the HOV on I95 at or around 4pm? I suspect not and continue to opt for this route. BTW, if the route were through Richmond, I'd agree with Glenn. It ain't, I don't ;-) Todd Glenn Dysart Wrote: >Why would you get on that part of 29 when your going that type of >distance? HOV it out there on I-66 and get on 29 south at Gainesville. I >guarantee you can make it faster then going I-95 at rush hour. > >Without rush hour I can make Charlottesville in 1:50 going 29. If I go to >Richmond I-95 non rush hour it takes about 1.5 hours. Charlottesville is >another hour from Richmond. > >> That depends on when/where you leave, 29 from Fairfax down to the >> Manassas battlefield can be a parking lot during the afternoon >> rush hour. Of course, I think you folks are leaving before all that >> mess starts to accumulate. I had to take a class at the Manassas >> NVCC campus once, what a pain that was. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 16:20:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23219; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23364; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22841 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA04660 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:18:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA16138 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980409201839.VMBG500@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:18:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Spring Fling X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980409201839.VMBG500@[166.41.242.141]> Go to Louis Caplans unofficial DC-Cycles Ride page at: http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dc-rides.htm Scroll down to see the mention and directions to the Horstmans. Todd >Can someone please repost the info regarding the Spring Fling party? > >TIA > >-- >Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 16:45:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23619; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23763; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23544 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2S6RHVP4>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:45:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:46:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) 191 is way to many miles. From my house in Annandale I'm sure its no more then about 115 miles otherwise there would be no way I could make it in 1:50 or 2:00 hours. 3:31 hours? Maybe if your riding a bicycle. Damn, I can make Roanoke or VA beach faster then that and not even pushing it. You have to wonder about some of those map programs. When I used to travel 29 alot Culpepper was 1:00, Charlottesville was 2:00, Lynchburg was 3:00 and Danville or Smith Mountain Lake was 4:00 right on the nose. It didn't seem to matter to much if I was doing 60, 65, or 70. I got there about the same time. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Taking I66 out to 29 and heading south through Warrenton/Culpepper > is 191miles at 3:31 hours. > > Can someone tell us if there is an excess of traffic beyond the end > of the HOV on I95 at or around 4pm? I suspect not and continue to > opt for this route. > > BTW, if the route were through Richmond, I'd agree with Glenn. It > ain't, I don't ;-) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 17:00:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24022; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24050; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24124 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA22754; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:58:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA10644; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:58:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980409205833.DGRD1614@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:58:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980409205833.DGRD1614@[166.41.242.141]> Sorry, I should have clarified. Charlottesville is NOT our objective on the first day. The objective is just outside of Roanoke. T Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:46:15 -0400 191 is way to many miles. From my house in Annandale I'm sure its no more then about 115 miles otherwise there would be no way I could make it in 1:50 or 2:00 hours. 3:31 hours? Maybe if your riding a bicycle. Damn, I can make Roanoke or VA beach faster then that and not even pushing it. You have to wonder about some of those map programs. When I used to travel 29 alot Culpepper was 1:00, Charlottesville was 2:00, Lynchburg was 3:00 and Danville or Smith Mountain Lake was 4:00 right on the nose. It didn't seem to matter to much if I was doing 60, 65, or 70. I got there about the same time. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Taking I66 out to 29 and heading south through Warrenton/Culpepper > is 191miles at 3:31 hours. > > Can someone tell us if there is an excess of traffic beyond the end > of the HOV on I95 at or around 4pm? I suspect not and continue to > opt for this route. > > BTW, if the route were through Richmond, I'd agree with Glenn. It > ain't, I don't ;-) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 18:03:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25541; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28241; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26785 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id SAA12824; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:10:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:10:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Jay cc: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: My most "Angry Biker Experience" In-Reply-To: <01bd63e9$e109fd60$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Jay wrote: > A few years ago, when I was at Fort Carson, CO, there was some renovation > going on at the back gate. The paved road was blocked off and we were > forced to use a dirt road which had been covered with those big gray rocks. > One night, a car was coming in the gate behing me and obviously wanted to go > faster than I cared to on the rocks.... after having my heiny ridden for a > little bit, I got aggravated and dumped the clutch, spitting a large > quantity of those big gray rocks onto his car. He backed off and I went on > my merry way. Smart, no, rewarding, yes. Why not pull over and let him/her pass? They're happier, you're safer, and it's probably what you'd want if the roles were reversed. --garcia "We're lost, but we're making good time." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 18:20:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25788; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28839; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (known m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27190 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA01334 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:09:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: Re: Kicked my first car -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This thread got hashed out here about a year ago.. and I still think Al Lapp had the best responce in jumping up and down on a car top screaming 'Do you see me NOW MF's?' after they ran him off the road... on purpose mind you. I think we've pretty much all been in that situation where anger just gets the best of you and you must take some sort of action.. I know that as I was learning, I felt that efect strongly. That was a left turn, 2 lanes could turn, only one was clearly marked - I was on the outside with a big truck on the inside.. I didn't think there'd be any problem getting ahead of the truck (I knew people swung wide there.. I was first in my lane) - but being new, I missed the start and ended up being pinched betwen the truck and the curb.. My reaction was to get the truck as far from me as possible - so I swung my chain lock in the left hand acrss his windshield - figuring he'd swerve away from the inpact - he did, but with a spider-webbed window.. I stopped right then and there (next right, parking lot) - I figured the driver would swing back around - not that I cared.. I never saw the truck again. I figure it's just a good thing I wasn't hurt at that point.. Made sure to never be in the outside turn lane again.. (this is Montana mind you - everyone's got a gun or three in their truck/car) I've not done anything like that in a long time.. my action is usualy a fist on the roof, or a foot to the side mirror to knock it out of adjustment... those situations coming up about once a year when some real bonehead really jeapordizes my wellbeing... Sorry, rant off.. I DON'T condone that type of behavor.. but sometimes anger gets the better of a person... Brian P. McCoy 92/94 RS125 (race) - 82 XT250 (street/dirt) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 19:04:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26997; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29359; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28830 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-37.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.37]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id SAA18443; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409184104.0084c430@wingate> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 18:41:04 -0400 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Kicked my first car In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980409110706.00f177d0@mail.toward.com> References: <19980409144146.UUNN18677@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My philosophy exactly, to wit: Road Rage is caused by the other, stupid person. :) MET At 11:07 AM 4/9/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >Sure is, and it's not always on the part of the pissed-off person. I think >the Rage is also part of the driver who deliberately cuts people off, etc. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 19:04:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27001; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29363; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28835 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-37.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.37]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id SAA18450; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409184342.00a1d510@wingate> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 18:43:42 -0400 To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." , Todd Peer From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Cc: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX, In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980409125629.0069f808@pop.mindspring.com> References: <19980409154150.SHIN500@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I thought that was the April Fool's gag...? MET At 12:56 PM 4/9/98 -0400, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > FYI, many sections of the BRP are still (!!!) closed and may not reopen >for some time. Before you go, check http://www.nps.gov/blri/ and call (704) >298-0398 for info so you can plan a reasonable route mixing the BRP and >other roads. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 19:20:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27442; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29711; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29396 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10011; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980408191432.008a51e0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 19:14:32 -0400 To: Brian McCoy , DC-Cycles list From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Summit RAces In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:10 PM 4/7/98 -0400, Brian McCoy wrote: >Hope to see ya there.. someone.. (other than collin.. who better damn well >be there to walk the track with me to learn the damn thing) Team Charm will be there in all our beer drinking, bike abusing, glory. We pit at "pit out." We are #911 & #411 respectivly. Most of our races are run on Saturday, in addition to our duties as instructors for the road racing school. Stephen Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 19:22:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27489; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29751; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29456 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (pool-207-205-218-239_pitb.grid.net [207.205.218.239] (may be forged)) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA25690; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409192333.006b9230@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 19:23:33 -0400 To: "Mark E. Truelove" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Cc: Todd Peer , tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX, In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980409184342.00a1d510@wingate> References: <3.0.1.32.19980409125629.0069f808@pop.mindspring.com> <19980409154150.SHIN500@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:43 PM 4/9/98 -0400, Mark E. Truelove wrote: > >I thought that was the April Fool's gag...? No, the gag was that Deal's Gap was closed. The reality is that many sections of the parkway are closed. When I was there, a large stretch around Grandfather Mountain was shut down. I was on and off the parkway going north, but then had to exit north once and for all above Roanoake. Major PITA. > >MET > >At 12:56 PM 4/9/98 -0400, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: >> FYI, many sections of the BRP are still (!!!) closed and may not reopen >>for some time. Before you go, check http://www.nps.gov/blri/ and call (704) >>298-0398 for info so you can plan a reasonable route mixing the BRP and >>other roads. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 22:02:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28934; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02543; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02263 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (pool-207-205-218-239_pitb.grid.net [207.205.218.239] (may be forged)) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA20783 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409220231.006c16b4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 22:02:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: BRP Update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good news. I just called the information number and found out that the Blue Ridge Parkway is now only closed between milemarkers 423 and 443. Quite a change. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 23:43:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29992; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04116; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04107 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA25080 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <352DBF46.2F13@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 23:42:14 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Summit Pt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, Todd, Ralph, Brian et al... I'll be there both days too. I'll be leaving Arlington at 0530 hrs and should get there a few minutes or so after 0715. I generally stop at my halfway point, which is HillTop Restaurant for a cuppa java. See y'all bright and early on Saturday. -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 00:23:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01316; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05608; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05356 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-23.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.64]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA29145; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:22:11 -0400 Message-ID: <045501bd6438$65711d60$4010b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , , Cc: , Subject: Re: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:22:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Stirrings about mixing road lanes, egos and machines -- o 'Same Road -- Different Mode' stickers are available from the AMA at one-half dollar. White, yellow, on blue, kinda spiffy, I think. This in conjunction with Motorcycle Awareness and You Month (May) for which the AMA has plenty backup material for anyone wanting to get the word out via press releases, flyers, etc. Contact: Sean Maher 614 891-2425x265. (For those inclined ask about the hefty State Motorcycle Safety Administrators Idea Sampler -- many good looking posters, stickers, etc.) o There was so much in this traffic story from another list -- This is the transcript of an ACTUAL radio conversation of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October, 1995. Radio conversation released by the Chief of Naval Operations10-10-95. >.Americans: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a Collision. >Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision. >Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course. >Canadians: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course. >Americans: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS LINCOLN, THE SECOND LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES' ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. I DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH, THAT'S ONE FIVE DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTER-MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP. >Canadians: This is a lighthouse. It's your call. Hmmm. Did either side show the bird flag as they passed? -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette >Speaking of stickers, snip >Where the hell do these come from!!?? snip Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 00:38:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01423; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05688; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05681 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.49] (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:35:39 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: More Confessions of angry bikers? Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 00:37:58 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Gary Foreman" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I am not proud of this, and in this day and time I wouldn't do it, but I >once had a lady toss her cigarette out right in my lap. At the next stop >light, I pulled up beside her, motioned to her, and she rolled the window >down thinking I was going to tell her something was wrong with her car, and >I tossed it back in her lap and yelled "You dropped something". While she >was scrambling, the light changed, and I was gone. I'd be proud as hell for doing something like that!! I always look two or three times before flinging a butt out the window. Wish I'd had one the other day when that guy on the FL wouldn't let me move over to the right... ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 00:38:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01427; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05696; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05691 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.49] (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:35:50 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Confessions of angry bikers? Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 00:38:09 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Leon Begeman" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Oh my, goodness gracious, is it any wonder that bikers have such a bad >reputation. Now the rumor is that this DC-cycles gang is having a >'rumble' over Memorial Day weekend. Lock up your bunnies and kittens. >Oh well, it could be worse, at least there isn't the worry about women >getting shot and horses raped. Oh, wait, that's what started this >thread in the first place. Best be careful lest someone should tell Sherriff Howell (no relation) about those Hell's Angels who might want to stomp the DC-Cyclers' collective butts in the fair town of Fontana. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 00:38:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01441; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05700; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05697 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.49] (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:35:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kicked my first car Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 00:38:19 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >1. Even louder horns. Not just your basic loud aftermarket horns, but BF >Trucker horns or locomotive horns. I know you can get physically >impractical here, but something loud enough to cause a heart attack would >be nice. You just have the wrong bike. Lots of Wingers (and FL and RT folks) have horns with rather sizable compressors attached. Some even plumb it into their existing onboard compressors. Lessens the lag time from traditional compressor horns. FWIW, a compressor type horn was the first accessory my father bought for his first three bikes (on his most recent one, he just had the dealer wire in a second one. I think as soon as he finds space for a compressor, it's back to air horns) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 06:37:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA03904; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA08014; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA09609 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2S6RHX1X>; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:38:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:39:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Nope, its true. When I was headed to Roanoke in January I had originally jumped off I-81 where the first sign is posted for the parkway. After 10 miles out of my way to get there they finally had a sign saying the parkway was closed going south. Anyone know if Skyline from Front Royal to US 211 is open yet? As I mentioned last week it was closed due to some ice storm some 7 weeks ago. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > I thought that was the April Fool's gag...? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 07:48:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04305; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA08203; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known [128.126.170.15] [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10165 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6454.960FF2E0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:45:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:45:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 42 TEXT OOPS! Almost all of us can use HOV - Joanna won't be able to - there'll be only two in her Jeep. ---------- From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 4:08 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap I chose I95 out of springfield because we can use the HOV for as far as it goes and then turn off I95 at ThornBurg (about 50 miles south). We will not be going to Richmond, but cutting across via State Routes. Total distance this way is 198miles at 3:42 hours (according to DeLorme). Taking I66 out to 29 and heading south through Warrenton/Culpepper is 191miles at 3:31 hours. Can someone tell us if there is an excess of traffic beyond the end of the HOV on I95 at or around 4pm? I suspect not and continue to opt for this route. BTW, if the route were through Richmond, I'd agree with Glenn. It ain't, I don't ;-) Todd Glenn Dysart Wrote: >Why would you get on that part of 29 when your going that type of >distance? HOV it out there on I-66 and get on 29 south at Gainesville. I >guarantee you can make it faster then going I-95 at rush hour. > >Without rush hour I can make Charlottesville in 1:50 going 29. If I go to >Richmond I-95 non rush hour it takes about 1.5 hours. Charlottesville is >another hour from Richmond. > >> That depends on when/where you leave, 29 from Fairfax down to the >> Manassas battlefield can be a parking lot during the afternoon >> rush hour. Of course, I think you folks are leaving before all that >> mess starts to accumulate. I had to take a class at the Manassas >> NVCC campus once, what a pain that was. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 08:21:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04525; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08851; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wariat.apk.net (known wariat.apk.net [192.147.147.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10654 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ztyrlik (pcorddry.sales.intercon.com [149.52.22.55]) by wariat.apk.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20075; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:22:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:21:34 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01bd647b$33917e50$37163495@ztyrlik.ascend.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX [mailto:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 10, 1998 7:45 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: jtumidajewicz@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Deal's Gap > > > OOPS! Almost all of us can use HOV - Joanna won't be able to - > there'll be only two in her Jeep. > What about loaning her one of the scouts to fill it to 3 people ? Or, maybe someone has this Police officer doll - we will put it on front seat .... Regarding ride etc: we will be happy to prepare some maps for riders and print them - Delorme is a GooD_Thing. We will be leaving from west side (Ashburn), so if there are folks willing to ride 7 to Front Royal and BRP all way down, that is possible. We can get together on first night, and on second day some folks can keep a 3 day pace, and some can go ahead to set up camps doing a 2 day run and having more time for exploration of Deal's Gap. One more thing - looks like there will be a nice weather Saturday and Sunday. Anyone interested in doing open part of BRP and short visit to Summit Point ? I will probably leave Ashbrun around 9-nish, so if there is an interest we can hook together. _zjt > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 4:08 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Deal's Gap > > > I chose I95 out of springfield because we can use the HOV for as far > as it goes and then turn off I95 at ThornBurg (about 50 miles south). > We will not be going to Richmond, but cutting across via State Routes. > Total distance this way is 198miles at 3:42 hours (according to DeLorme). > > Taking I66 out to 29 and heading south through Warrenton/Culpepper > is 191miles at 3:31 hours. > > Can someone tell us if there is an excess of traffic beyond the end > of the HOV on I95 at or around 4pm? I suspect not and continue to > opt for this route. > > BTW, if the route were through Richmond, I'd agree with Glenn. It > ain't, I don't ;-) > > Todd > > Glenn Dysart Wrote: > >Why would you get on that part of 29 when your going that type of > >distance? HOV it out there on I-66 and get on 29 south at > Gainesville. I > >guarantee you can make it faster then going I-95 at rush hour. > > > >Without rush hour I can make Charlottesville in 1:50 going 29. > If I go to > >Richmond I-95 non rush hour it takes about 1.5 hours. > Charlottesville is > >another hour from Richmond. > > > >> That depends on when/where you leave, 29 from Fairfax down to the > >> Manassas battlefield can be a parking lot during the afternoon > >> rush hour. Of course, I think you folks are leaving before all that > >> mess starts to accumulate. I had to take a class at the Manassas > >> NVCC campus once, what a pain that was. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 08:24:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04576; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08892; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10753 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2S6RHY5T>; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:25:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: jtumidajewicz@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:25:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) If you go 66 you can. > -----Original Message----- > From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 10, 1998 7:45 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: jtumidajewicz@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Deal's Gap > > OOPS! Almost all of us can use HOV - Joanna won't be able to - there'll be only two in her Jeep. > > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 4:08 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Deal's Gap > > > I chose I95 out of springfield because we can use the HOV for as far > as it goes and then turn off I95 at ThornBurg (about 50 miles south). > We will not be going to Richmond, but cutting across via State Routes. > Total distance this way is 198miles at 3:42 hours (according to DeLorme). > > Taking I66 out to 29 and heading south through Warrenton/Culpepper > is 191miles at 3:31 hours. > > Can someone tell us if there is an excess of traffic beyond the end > of the HOV on I95 at or around 4pm? I suspect not and continue to > opt for this route. > > BTW, if the route were through Richmond, I'd agree with Glenn. It > ain't, I don't ;-) > > Todd > > Glenn Dysart Wrote: > >Why would you get on that part of 29 when your going that type of > >distance? HOV it out there on I-66 and get on 29 south at Gainesville. I > >guarantee you can make it faster then going I-95 at rush hour. > > > >Without rush hour I can make Charlottesville in 1:50 going 29. If I go to > >Richmond I-95 non rush hour it takes about 1.5 hours. Charlottesville is > >another hour from Richmond. > > > >> That depends on when/where you leave, 29 from Fairfax down to the > >> Manassas battlefield can be a parking lot during the afternoon > >> rush hour. Of course, I think you folks are leaving before all that > >> mess starts to accumulate. I had to take a class at the Manassas > >> NVCC campus once, what a pain that was. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 08:32:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04638; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09125; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10896 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD645A.C8B10300@XXXXXX>; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:29:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:29:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 101 TEXT Don't have a scout to lend her...I've only got 2 children. Are you coming to the Spring Fling? If so, bring the software - I've got a good computer, color printer, etc. We can finalize there and print them out for everyone. Tracy ---------- From: Zbigniew J. Tyrlik[SMTP:zbig@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, April 10, 1998 8:21 AM To: Horstman, Tracy L @ Manassas; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: jtumidajewicz@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap > -----Original Message----- > From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX [mailto:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 10, 1998 7:45 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: jtumidajewicz@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Deal's Gap > > > OOPS! Almost all of us can use HOV - Joanna won't be able to - > there'll be only two in her Jeep. > What about loaning her one of the scouts to fill it to 3 people ? Or, maybe someone has this Police officer doll - we will put it on front seat .... Regarding ride etc: we will be happy to prepare some maps for riders and print them - Delorme is a GooD_Thing. We will be leaving from west side (Ashburn), so if there are folks willing to ride 7 to Front Royal and BRP all way down, that is possible. We can get together on first night, and on second day some folks can keep a 3 day pace, and some can go ahead to set up camps doing a 2 day run and having more time for exploration of Deal's Gap. One more thing - looks like there will be a nice weather Saturday and Sunday. Anyone interested in doing open part of BRP and short visit to Summit Point ? I will probably leave Ashbrun around 9-nish, so if there is an interest we can hook together. _zjt > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 4:08 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Deal's Gap > > > I chose I95 out of springfield because we can use the HOV for as far > as it goes and then turn off I95 at ThornBurg (about 50 miles south). > We will not be going to Richmond, but cutting across via State Routes. > Total distance this way is 198miles at 3:42 hours (according to DeLorme). > > Taking I66 out to 29 and heading south through Warrenton/Culpepper > is 191miles at 3:31 hours. > > Can someone tell us if there is an excess of traffic beyond the end > of the HOV on I95 at or around 4pm? I suspect not and continue to > opt for this route. > > BTW, if the route were through Richmond, I'd agree with Glenn. It > ain't, I don't ;-) > > Todd > > Glenn Dysart Wrote: > >Why would you get on that part of 29 when your going that type of > >distance? HOV it out there on I-66 and get on 29 south at > Gainesville. I > >guarantee you can make it faster then going I-95 at rush hour. > > > >Without rush hour I can make Charlottesville in 1:50 going 29. > If I go to > >Richmond I-95 non rush hour it takes about 1.5 hours. > Charlottesville is > >another hour from Richmond. > > > >> That depends on when/where you leave, 29 from Fairfax down to the > >> Manassas battlefield can be a parking lot during the afternoon > >> rush hour. Of course, I think you folks are leaving before all that > >> mess starts to accumulate. I had to take a class at the Manassas > >> NVCC campus once, what a pain that was. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 08:40:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04679; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09227; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11074 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA04896; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:38:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-04.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.68) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004887; Fri Apr 10 07:38:21 1998 Message-ID: <352E28CC.6DEA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:12:29 -0700 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xl-list@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Travelcade Saddlegel Seat Pads? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone using the Travlecade Saddlegel Seat Pads Have any opinion? No one locally has them in stock, was concerned about how well they secured to the seat, Any problem with them moving or slipping. Also, does anyone know where they can be had for less that $59.95 for the large? -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 08:48:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04717; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09304; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11174 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA05476 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:46:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-04.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.68) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma005452; Fri Apr 10 07:45:59 1998 Message-ID: <352E2A9C.675C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:20:12 -0700 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although I had been hoping to help Cornerwork this weekend at Summit Point, I am going to have my 3 yoa daughter with me. Would still like to meet some of you though. And if I can get a sitter for awhile will try and make it. No luck so far though. Anyway, Have a good safe weekend. -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 08:57:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04762; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09413; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail3.geocities.com [209.1.224.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11295 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA07278; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 05:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352E16B6.B709139C@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:55:18 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shephar1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point References: <352E2A9C.675C@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ken, Bring her along!!! Connor's made all but one race since he was born :) Too bad he's going with mommy this weekend otherwise daddy would have him out there again! Hope you can sneak out for a bit.. Collin Ken S. wrote: I am going to have my 3 yoa daughter with me. Would still like > to meet some of you though. And if I can get a sitter for awhile will > try and make it. No luck so far though. Anyway, Have a good safe > weekend. -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 09:12:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05036; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09889; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11796 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA07123; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:11:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-04.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.68) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma007106; Fri Apr 10 08:11:06 1998 Message-ID: <352E3077.6C61@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:45:11 -0700 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Summit Point References: <352E2A9C.675C@ix.netcom.com> <352E16B6.B709139C@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin T. Fagan wrote: > > Ken, > Bring her along!!! Connor's made all but one race since he was born :) > Too bad he's going with mommy this weekend otherwise daddy would have > him out there again! > Hope you can sneak out for a bit.. > Collin Collin, Might just do that, but wasn't sure how to get in at the gate for just a short while while not cornerworking. Isn't it something like $15.00 or $20.00 at the gate, or something like that for admission. Or do you just flash the MARRC card and go straight in? -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 09:43:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05788; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10546; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DCSMTP.WICTOK7.EPA.GOV (known dcsmtp.wictok7.epa.gov [161.80.160.141]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13186 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DCWIC01-Message_Server by DCSMTP.WICTOK7.EPA.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:15:42 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:10:37 -0400 From: JOHN VARHOL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 04/09/98 -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Please delete John Varhol's name from your mailing list. He died 2 weeks ago. >>> The dc-cycles list administrator 04/09/98 07:00pm >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. =( \___/ )= \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ \ || || / \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: \| |/ dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX |_| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ X-Sender: poppo@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 20:47:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: poppo@XXXXXX (Ralph Young) Subject: Re: Summit Pt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'll be there Saturday and Suday cornerworking. Been receiving the digest form of the list for a while but have not participated in discussions yet. Ralph Young Alexandria '84FJ1100 '75CB550 > >Todd Peer wrote: > >> I plan to >> cornerwork this Saturday and possibly Sunday as well. Anyone else >> doing any corner work this weekend? >> _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 21:50:01 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Roy D. Turner" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sat. Summit Pt. Ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please give directions to Silver Diner from 495. As far as the route is concerned, it all depends on how fast we want to get there. Roy D. Turner wrote: > I propose we leave from the Silver Diner parking lot in front of > Springfield Mall no later than 10:30 a.m. on Saturday morning. Anyone have > a suggested route? Roy D. Turner, Esq. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX 94' ZX-11 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Errors-To: Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:02:16 -0400 (EDT) From: BRIANPM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Summit point MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII copied from OTHER non-functioning server.. Ok, if you don't know there are races at Summit Point by now, you must not be reading your e-mails... Here's the scoop (according to Brian): Races, Summit Point WV. April 11-12 Gates open about 6pm Friday (I'll be there) Admission is $20 at the gate, $18 in advance (Call Fast Lane Cycles for info) That's for the full weekend, camping included (LOTS of fun) Cornerworking will find you in the best company of the track (well, untill Collin and I are full-fledged racers ;) - It'll also get you in the gate free (reinbursment), free hot meals - and the 2nd best seat on the track. I'll be there, cornerworking both days.. camping Friday and Sat. nights.. Look for my truck (UGLY truck.. you all should know it) - race hawk should be in or near it - I usualy camp at the VERY end of pit lane - when coming across the bridge, it's the 2nd right on pavement.. follow it till it forks right and left (T intersection) - And I should be right there.. behind a tree.. Blue tent - I'll have sodas, hot dogs and smores there for anyone that wants to stop by.. actually, there'll probably be some beer too, come to think of it.. Stop by, I'll put things in the truck if you want them locked... but, make sure to find me before 7am, arround noon, or after 6is (races are done) - otherwise I'll be out on a corner.. Hope to see ya there.. someone.. (other than collin.. who better damn well be there to walk the track with me to learn the damn thing) Brian P.McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 85 XT250 (street/dirt) brianpm@XXXXXX & bmccoy@XXXXXX - personal www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:09:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: Re: Sat. Summit Pt. Ride MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Roy D. Turner wrote: > > > I propose we leave from the Silver Diner parking lot in front of > > Springfield Mall no later than 10:30 a.m. on Saturday morning. Anyone have > > a suggested route? Roy D. Turner, Esq. I can recomend Rt 9 north off of Rt7, just west/north of Leesburg... runs right into CharlesTown.. good 1mile in there going through Hillendale... you'll smile as long as there's no traffic holding you up. Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 85 XT250 (street/dirt) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Subject: Re: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 00:38:46 -0400 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). I'm finding that the Rat wing is sucking up tons of available cash. Still too early to know if I'll have enough left come the end of may (should shelf the project for a while so that I can do the trip:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 01:04:50 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Deal's Gap Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd: Please post the URL to the DC-Cycles Deal's Gap page again. Every few days I like to see the progress of the group and my inbox file got deleted in my switchover to the newest version of Nestscape. Todd Peer wrote: > All > > Wow! That Deal's Gap trip is starting to shape up into something tangible. > Here's how the numbers break out: > > 23 people have shown an interest. > > 10 of us will be riding down on the extended tour. > 3 of us are riding a Saddle Sore down to meet the rest. > 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). > 2 of us in chase vehicles. > -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:46:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: aki.damme@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > uh..I don't think so..using a phone is a *temporary* degradation of > driving ability, while being drunk (or drugged) cannot be "turned off". > One CAN'T be turned off; the other WON'T be. > Additionally, driving while under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs > can significantly reduce your *judgement* and *ability* to reason and > make intelligent decisions such as whether or not to make calls while driving? while talking on the phone reduces ones ability > to pay *full attention* to their surroundings..there's a difference. Which is....? If the results are similar, it's a distinction without a difference. > That's why the law will charge you with "failing to pay full attention" if > you have an accident while using the phone, but will rarely (if ever) charge > you with reckless. > > > It is my understanding that driving and using a cell phone is just as > > hazardous as driving while under the influence of drugs and alcohol. It > > was also stated that men are more at fault then women. I myself have > > used a phone while driving... and I have noticed that my driving is not > > as good as while using it. I'm trying to avoid using my phone while I'm > > driving... I don't wish to become a statistic.... > > > > My .02 > > -Tom --garcia "The Law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich, as well as the poor, from stealing bread, begging in the streets, and sleeping under bridges." Anatole France _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 08:27:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Kicked my first car Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I suppose it's time to 'fess up. This is something I learned when hang gliding during college - my fellow pilots and I had an agreement that the biggest danger in hang gliding was the male ego. So when one of us screwed up, we'd talk about it to share information and to ensure we didn't get cocky. It was also a useful reminder about how quickly things can go bad, even when you think you've got things under control. So ... I kicked my first car. I had several stressors at both home and work, so my fuse was short. I realized this as I rode in, staying in the left lane more, and feeling more irritated at slow cars blocking the left lane and at HOV scofflaws. But I didn't do anything about my mood. Lesson no. 1 - When I notice that my mood is sour, scale everything back a notch. Immediately. Eastbound on Independence Ave (SW) just before the Tidal Basin, the left of three lanes ends and the road narrows to two lanes. I don't like how the car drivers bunch up there, so I stay in the far right lane. However, I have to be in the left lane after the bridge over the Tidal Basin, so I move over as soon as possible, once clear of the merge. On that day, I moved over before the merge because the traffic in front was moving well, and there were no cars anywhere near behind me. As the left lane next to me was ending, I noticed in my mirror a car approaching quickly in the left lane. I stayed in the left side of my lane and pulled up closer to the car in front of me to give plenty of room behind, and to discourage the driver from cutting in front of me. Lesson no. 2 - Once I've decided that a particular area is too dangerous, don't go back just because it looks okay. One reason I had decided it was dangerous is because bad things happen quickly. Many drivers are still in "fast mode" after coming in on I-66. The car driver pulled up alongside me, rear bumper about even with the back of my bike, and moved over to push me out of the lane. I was furious, I lost it, I kicked her car twice, and she moved back. I proceeded as I was, shaking my fist at her, and she pulled in behind me. Lesson no. 3 - After an altercation with a car driver, I don't want the car driver behind me. I want them in front of me, where I can see them easier and where it's harder for them to attack me. The only exception might be if I want to make a quick getaway, and can do so - but by then I was in no condition to split lanes or do any high-demand riding, and I knew it. When I stopped at the next light, the attacking driver was right behind me. I got off my bike and walked back. The car was a white American sedan, it looked like a GM, maybe an Oldsmobile. The driver was a middle-aged white lady with glasses and white hair. "What's your problem?" she sneered at me. I asked why she did that. She played dumb. I said you deliberately pulled beside me then tried to run me off the road She blamed me for being in her way when the lane ended. I said "You do that again lady, and you're going to get shot." Traffic was backing up now. I walked back to my bike and rode off. She turned off the road and was gone. When I thought I had chosen a reasonable path through this area, it turned out that this car driver could endanger me very quickly. Being in a lane next to a merge lane is a bad place to be because out-of-control car drivers can come up from behind and the situation can go to hell real quickly. I'm not proud of what I did, in fact, I think it was pretty stupid. It might sound heroic to get back at the car, but it can easily be the "last great act of defiance" as the car driver twitches the steering wheel and sends the bike and rider flying off the road. I tend to doubt the lady learned anything, though hopefully she'll think twice before trying to force a bike off the road again. Her actions were as close to assault as I think they can be, but I actually doubt she meant it that way. I think she's just a middle-aged white lady used to getting her way. it's a jungle out there, Chris Norloff P.S. Yes, Chris Meier, this is it. But I bet you already figured that out! _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:47:26 -0700 Encoding: 12 TEXT Chris (et.al.), When I spent some time in an exotic southeast Asian country at my Uncle's expense a few years ago, the Army types used to line the sides of their trucks with Claymores to discourage other people from getting too close. Wonder where I can find some now... Michael (USAF Ret.) J. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:47:50 -0400 Encoding: 74 TEXT All - Been looking over the plans == http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/brp/default.htm - Just a suggestion: I see that we are taking some scenic routes on the way down (3 days worth - and me in the cage with kids) - could we cut down that down to just Thursday and Friday and get there Friday? There's a lot of riding in the area of Deal's Gap that can be done from a central location. My concerns are with some of the newer riders who have only gone a 100-150 miles in a day won't able to come back 500 miles in one day on Memorial Day which is at the end of the trip and when everyone is most tired. I was thinking more of a 200 mile day on Thursday and another 300 or so on Friday. Newer riders should be able to push themselves to do that. So come Sunday, we could start heading back at the same pace except 300 miles on Sunday and 200 on Monday. Don't want anyone getting hurt or make stupid mistakes from being tired. That leaves Saturday rather than Sunday to do the Deal's Gap thang or any other riding. Will have to do some camp re-arranging but hopefully that shouldn't be too much of a chore? I can help with that. Let me know what you all think. Tracy PS - don't know how long the plan has been there so I'm sorry for not sending this suggestion sooner - lost the URL and had to go through Louis's DC Cycles page (http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dc-rides.htm) to find it after sorting though all the e-mail junk I do keep just to find Louis's page. ---------- From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 4:08 PM To: dc-cycles Subject: Deal's Gap All Wow! That Deal's Gap trip is starting to shape up into something tangible. Here's how the numbers break out: 23 people have shown an interest. 10 of us will be riding down on the extended tour. 3 of us are riding a Saddle Sore down to meet the rest. 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). 2 of us in chase vehicles. This is a pretty good showing so far folks. I think we may be considering something less than an ALL group ride as the departure date approaches. Large numbers of motorcycles on the BRP is workable, but there will undoubtadly be some scene or another some will want to stop at and others will want to continue past. The PLAN will be updated with suggestions on how to cope with larger numbers. Here's hoping for perfect weather! Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-ROUTED: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:55:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Kicked my first car Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:02:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Chris, I think it's a kind of entertaining story, but scary. You may want to take down the tag number and report people like that in the future. While I probably would have done the same thing, it makes motorcyclists look bad as a group. (Flamers, please do not attack! Like I said, I think the kicking was damn well justified, but people have a negative image of bikers and all they saw was a biker being greedy and kicking that poor old lady's car.) She's lucky that you were as nice as you were.... too bad she's probably another ignorant SOB that will never admit fault! Damn I hate people! Later, Jay -----Original Message----- >From: cnorloff@XXXXXX To: Jaynik Date: Thursday, April 09, 1998 9:39 AM Subject: Kicked my first car > >I suppose it's time to 'fess up. This is something I learned when hang >gliding during college - my fellow pilots and I had an agreement that the >biggest danger in hang gliding was the male ego. So when one of us screwed >up, we'd talk about it to share information and to ensure we didn't get >cocky. It was also a useful reminder about how quickly things can go bad, >even when you think you've got things under control. > >So ... I kicked my first car. > >I had several stressors at both home and work, so my fuse was short. I >realized this as I rode in, staying in the left lane more, and feeling more >irritated at slow cars blocking the left lane and at HOV scofflaws. But I >didn't do anything about my mood. > >Lesson no. 1 - When I notice that my mood is sour, scale everything back a >notch. Immediately. > >Eastbound on Independence Ave (SW) just before the Tidal Basin, the left of >three lanes ends and the road narrows to two lanes. I don't like how the >car drivers bunch up there, so I stay in the far right lane. However, I >have to be in the left lane after the bridge over the Tidal Basin, so I >move over as soon as possible, once clear of the merge. > >On that day, I moved over before the merge because the traffic in front was >moving well, and there were no cars anywhere near behind me. As the left >lane next to me was ending, I noticed in my mirror a car approaching >quickly in the left lane. I stayed in the left side of my lane and pulled >up closer to the car in front of me to give plenty of room behind, and to >discourage the driver from cutting in front of me. > >Lesson no. 2 - Once I've decided that a particular area is too dangerous, >don't go back just because it looks okay. One reason I had decided it was >dangerous is because bad things happen quickly. Many drivers are still in >"fast mode" after coming in on I-66. > >The car driver pulled up alongside me, rear bumper about even with the back >of my bike, and moved over to push me out of the lane. I was furious, I >lost it, I kicked her car twice, and she moved back. I proceeded as I was, >shaking my fist at her, and she pulled in behind me. > >Lesson no. 3 - After an altercation with a car driver, I don't want the car >driver behind me. I want them in front of me, where I can see them easier >and where it's harder for them to attack me. The only exception might be >if I want to make a quick getaway, and can do so - but by then I was in no >condition to split lanes or do any high-demand riding, and I knew it. > >When I stopped at the next light, the attacking driver was right behind me. > I got off my bike and walked back. The car was a white American sedan, it >looked like a GM, maybe an Oldsmobile. The driver was a middle-aged white >lady with glasses and white hair. "What's your problem?" she sneered at >me. I asked why she did that. She played dumb. I said you deliberately >pulled beside me then tried to run me off the road She blamed me for being >in her way when the lane ended. I said "You do that again lady, and you're >going to get shot." Traffic was backing up now. I walked back to my bike >and rode off. She turned off the road and was gone. > > >When I thought I had chosen a reasonable path through this area, it turned >out that this car driver could endanger me very quickly. Being in a lane >next to a merge lane is a bad place to be because out-of-control car >drivers can come up from behind and the situation can go to hell real quickly. > >I'm not proud of what I did, in fact, I think it was pretty stupid. It >might sound heroic to get back at the car, but it can easily be the "last >great act of defiance" as the car driver twitches the steering wheel and >sends the bike and rider flying off the road. I tend to doubt the lady >learned anything, though hopefully she'll think twice before trying to >force a bike off the road again. Her actions were as close to assault as I >think they can be, but I actually doubt she meant it that way. I think >she's just a middle-aged white lady used to getting her way. > >it's a jungle out there, >Chris Norloff > > >P.S. Yes, Chris Meier, this is it. But I bet you already figured that out! > > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: To: , Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:56:32 -0400 Encoding: 21 TEXT Sorry for not being military except in my attitude according to my husband, but what's a claymore? ---------- From: Jordan, Michael[SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 8:47 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Chris (et.al.), When I spent some time in an exotic southeast Asian country at my Uncle's expense a few years ago, the Army types used to line the sides of their trucks with Claymores to discourage other people from getting too close. Wonder where I can find some now... Michael (USAF Ret.) J. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:15:18 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:47 AM 4/9/98 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote: >Chris (et.al.), > >When I spent some time in an exotic southeast Asian country at my >Uncle's expense a few years ago, the Army types used to line the sides >of their trucks with Claymores to discourage other people from getting >too close. > >Wonder where I can find some now... I've thought of using ammo cans for saddlebags - they make dandy saddlebags, and are virtually indestructible. Plue they give the "combat" look to the bike. I suspect car drivers would not want to tangle with those metal corners. It does make lane-splitting a bit more dicey, though. Chris Norloff _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:16:37 -0400 To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Kicked my first car Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:02 AM 4/9/98 -0400, Jay wrote: >I think it's a kind of entertaining story, but scary. You may want to take >down the tag number and report people like that in the future. While I >probably would have done the same thing, it makes motorcyclists look bad as >a group. (Flamers, please do not attack! Like I said, I think the kicking >was damn well justified, but people have a negative image of bikers and all >they saw was a biker being greedy and kicking that poor old lady's car.) Maybe. But they might have seen her try to push me off the road. Chris Norloff _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:26:31 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Kicked my first car Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tracy, Claymores are a type of mine that the military (and militia men, I suppose he he) use.... They are fairly directional and quite potent. tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Sorry for not being military except in my attitude according to my husband, but what's a claymore? -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:28:49 -0500 To: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Kicked my first car Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Chris-- I hope she didn't get your license number. A cop may be sympathetic to you re: kicking, but telling her she's gonna get shot may cause you some trouble. Not that I'd have wanted to do anything different at the time.... Later Kevin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:49:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Kicked my first car Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:28 AM 4/9/98 -0500, klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: >I hope she didn't get your license number. A cop may be sympathetic to you >re: kicking, but telling her she's gonna get shot may cause you some >trouble. Not that I'd have wanted to do anything different at the time.... I worried about that, too. I decided that my response, if questionned, would be that it was a warning to her - that there are drivers who would shoot her for attacking them. I wouldn't, and I didn't exactly say I would (though that might get lost in repeating the story). I also decided that, if questionned, my kicking was to get her to back off, because she was pushing me into the other lane where I believed there was traffic. I didn't brake because I was worried about her snagging part of my bike as she moved past me and would pull me over onto my side. I didn't blow my horn because I was certain she knew I was there, having just pullled alongside me. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it, Chris Norloff _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:59:44 -0400 From: Leon Begeman MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kicked my first car Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Sorry for not being military except in my attitude according to my husband, but what's a claymore? It's a directional land-mine. I wouldn't want to ride in that truck. The back side of a claymore is damn near as dangerous as the front side. I do like the ammo can idea. They come in different sizes, so you could mount the little ones as warning when you don't need the big ones for cargo. OTOH, I haven't From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 09:46:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05814; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10567; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13249 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:45:07 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA07731 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:45:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199804101345.AA07731@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:45:37 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:45:37 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:45:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 9:43:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... To: mobacc@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <045501bd6438$65711d60$4010b1cd@newmicronpc> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...actually that's urban legend, I heard that story when I first joined the Navy in '75... -aki > Stirrings about mixing road lanes, egos and machines -- > > o 'Same Road -- Different Mode' stickers are available from the AMA at > one-half dollar. White, yellow, on blue, kinda spiffy, I think. This in > conjunction with Motorcycle Awareness and You Month (May) for which the AMA > has plenty backup material for anyone wanting to get the word out via press > releases, flyers, etc. Contact: Sean Maher 614 891-2425x265. (For those > inclined ask about the hefty State Motorcycle Safety Administrators Idea > Sampler -- many good looking posters, stickers, etc.) > > o There was so much in this traffic story from another list -- > > This is the transcript of an ACTUAL radio conversation of a US naval > ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October, > 1995. Radio conversation released by the Chief of Naval > Operations10-10-95. > > >.Americans: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to > avoid a Collision. > >Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the > South to avoid a collision. > >Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, > divert YOUR course. > >Canadians: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course. > >Americans: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS LINCOLN, THE > SECOND LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES' > ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE > DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND NUMEROUS > SUPPORT VESSELS. I DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE > YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH, THAT'S ONE > FIVE DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTER-MEASURES > WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF > THIS SHIP. > >Canadians: This is a lighthouse. It's your call. > > Hmmm. Did either side show the bird flag as they passed? > > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette > > >Speaking of stickers, > snip > >Where the hell do these come from!!?? > snip > > Bill Swanson / DC > 96 EN500 LTD > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > > > X-Priority: 3 > X-Msmail-Priority: Normal > X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 10:10:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06024; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10969; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known [128.126.171.13] [128.126.171.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13776 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6468.7AE36060@XXXXXX>; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:07:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: John Varhol's death Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:07:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 22 TEXT >>Please delete John Varhol's name from your mailing list. He died 2 weeks >>ago I take it none of us knew him. What a shock! Attention Lurkers, participate and been known. This really bothers me - here's this man, reads all the crap we discuss everyday, may have even posted a few times and we didn't even know him well enough to know he died. That sucks! Tracy Tracy Horstman UNIX System Admin Lockheed Martin Mission Systems 9255 Wellington Road Manassas, VA 20110 Phone: (703) 367-2981 Fax: (703) 367-1392 E-mail: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 10:29:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06258; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11235; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14305 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28710 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:27:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12419 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804101428.KAA12419@shell.clark.net> Subject: Motorcycle Parking at NIH To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:28:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Next week I'll be attending a Deaf/Hard-of-Hearing conference being held at NIH in Bethesda. I know parking there is a nightmare, and hope to come in via motorcycle. Does anyone on this list work there? Can you tell me where I am likely to find motorcycle parking spaces? Last time I rode there, last year, it took me 20 minutes to find a motorcycle parking space that didn't have a car sitting in it! Or would I be better off leaving the motorcycle and taking the metro? Thanks, Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | Entrant #19, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 10:43:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06448; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11365; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov (known gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov [130.14.71.63]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14643 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:42:29 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:42:15 -0400 From: Sandy Triolo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Parking at NIH The metro is the best bet for NIH, although if you are going to Natcher for the conference, there is motorcycle parking in the Lister Hill building, 38A (tall black office building across from Natcher) in the garage on the first level. Its on the left as you pull into the garage. Sandy >>> Louis F. Caplan 04/10 10:28 AM >>> Next week I'll be attending a Deaf/Hard-of-Hearing conference being held at NIH in Bethesda. I know parking there is a nightmare, and hope to come in via motorcycle. Does anyone on this list work there? Can you tell me where I am likely to find motorcycle parking spaces? Last time I rode there, last year, it took me 20 minutes to find a motorcycle parking space that didn't have a car sitting in it! Or would I be better off leaving the motorcycle and taking the metro? Thanks, Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | Entrant #19, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 10:46:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06525; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11389; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14743 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p205.smart.net [206.97.127.205]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22387; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:45:33 -0400 Message-ID: <352E2F8F.DB790764@smart.net> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:41:22 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Deal's Gap References: <001f01bd647b$33917e50$37163495@ztyrlik.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zbigniew J. Tyrlik wrote: > One more thing - looks like there will be a nice weather Saturday and > Sunday. > Anyone interested in doing open part of BRP and short visit to Summit Point > ? > > I will probably leave Ashbrun around 9-nish, so if there is an interest we > can hook together. I'd be interested in a Sunday ride, Zbigniew. I just need to be home in time for Masters coverage at 4pm. Going to Summit with the Roy Turner-led group on Saturday, leaving from Springfield. Let me know your plans and I may meet you. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX '94 ZX-11D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 10:56:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06616; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11451; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail4.geocities.com [209.1.224.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14919 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA03705; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352E3267.11063152@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:53:27 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shephar1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Summit Point References: <352E2A9C.675C@ix.netcom.com> <352E16B6.B709139C@geocities.com> <352E3077.6C61@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unfortunately, to get in on Saturday costs $20 (includes camping and Sunday), Sunday only is $15... For cornerworking, you pay to get in, then they reimburse you generally around lunchtime. CT Ken S. wrote: > Might just do that, but wasn't sure how to get in at the gate for just > a short while while not cornerworking. Isn't it something like $15.00 or > $20.00 at the gate, or something like that for admission. Or do you > just flash the MARRC card and go straight in? -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 14:46:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09989; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14543; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21676 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA09083 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:44:52 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:44:52 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , "'shephar1@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Summit Point Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:47:19 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 30 TEXT If you're on MARRC's list for the weekend, they'll have your name on a list at the gate and you won't have to $hell out buck$ to get in. Michael J. >-----Original Message----- >From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 10, 1998 10:53 >To: shephar1@XXXXXX >Cc: dc-cycles >Subject: Re: Summit Point > >Unfortunately, to get in on Saturday costs $20 (includes camping and >Sunday), Sunday only is $15... >For cornerworking, you pay to get in, then they reimburse you generally >around lunchtime. >CT > >Ken S. wrote: > >> Might just do that, but wasn't sure how to get in at the gate for >>just >> a short while while not cornerworking. Isn't it something like $15.00 or >> $20.00 at the gate, or something like that for admission. Or do you >> just flash the MARRC card and go straight in? > >-- >Collin T. Fagan >(202) 366-0067 (work) >(703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 14:50:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10056; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14572; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21775 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA09613 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:49:19 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:49:19 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Totally off subject Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:51:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 10 TEXT Louis said: >I'll be attending a Deaf/Hard-of-Hearing conference Why don't we say "Hard-of-Seeing" for people who have problems seeing or "Hard-of-Thinking" for BDCs (see! - Motorcycle content!!) Michael (looking for enlightenment) J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 15:16:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10490; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14820; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dsava.com (known virginia.dsava.com [192.234.181.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22440 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by virginia.dsava.com id <26882>; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:12:31 -0400 Message-Id: <98Apr10.151231edt.26882@virginia.dsava.com> From: "Chris Hamlett" To: Subject: Re: John Varhol's death Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:15:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Here's what I found at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-04/02/192l-040298-idx.html. I didn't know him, but I'm guessing by his e-mail address and the date it's the same person. Motorcycle content: >From http://www.micapeak.com/Ducati/IDOL/docs/beltss.html I'd guess he had a 1992 Ducati 900SS. -------- Washington Post Notice -------- John Kevin Varhol Contracts Specialist John Kevin Varhol, 40, a contracts liaison specialist who had worked for the Environmental Protection Agency since the 1980s, died of cardiac arrest March 28 at Inova Alexandria Hospital. He lived in Alexandria. Mr. Varhol was also a musician who played mandolin and mandola with the Takoma Mandoleers for more than 20 years. He also played bass balalaika with the Washington Balalaika Orchestra and participated in bluegrass bands. He was born in Okinawa, where his father was stationed with the Army, and had lived in the Washington area off and on since childhood. He was a graduate of Bishop Ireton High School in Alexandria and Syracuse University. Survivors include his parents, Col. Michael Varhol and Mary Varhol, both of Alexandria; three sisters, Mary Dorsey of Birmingham, Mich., Eileen Prendergast of Weston, Conn., and Anne Ginsburg of Boca Raton, Fla.; and two brothers, Michael Varhol of Los Angeles and Charles Varhol of Alexandria. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 16:25:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11495; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15686; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (known tcs-gateway2.treas.gov [204.151.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24385 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov id AA02889 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:23:12 -0400 Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-2); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:23:12 -0400 Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-1); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:23:12 -0400 Message-Id: <9029AADD5E6AD111A22C0060084129453162CB@DC02> From: Wu Don To: "John C. Kozyn" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Summit Pt Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:24:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Anyone, if you are riding up early Sat. or Sun. to cornerwork and wouldn't mind company, please give me a call (don't email) to arrange a meeting time and location. I live in S. Arlington and will be up at least til midnite. Don 998-3045 > ---------- > From: John C. Kozyn[SMTP:jckozyn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 10, 1998 2:42 AM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Summit Pt > > Hey Gang, > > Todd, Ralph, Brian et al... I'll be there both days too. I'll be > leaving > Arlington at 0530 hrs and should get there a few minutes or so after > 0715. I generally stop at my halfway point, which is HillTop > Restaurant > for a cuppa java. See y'all bright and early on Saturday. > > -- > John Kozyn > "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 11 11:50:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21600; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02739; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09448 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([199.234.148.79]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 494 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:48:17 -0400 Message-ID: <352F9183.C36750B6@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:51:32 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Cool ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I made it home to Mom & Dad's in Pennsylvania! Got kind of cold at highway speeds in lower 40 degree temps, but promptly got warmed up with hot cinnamon rolls that Dad had made (he's a man of many talents, that he is! :-) I think the Connie will be ridiculously easy to rack up huge miles with. After a full day of work, and then a couple of frantic hours getting kids and stuff packed into the chase cage, we hit the highway at 7:05 pm. I already had 65 miles on the tripmeter from the commute to and from work. Took 95 to the Beltway to 270 to 70 to the PA turnpike in Breezewood. Turnpike to I 79, 79 N to Mercer, PA. The trip was great, even if it started to get cold as soon as the sun went down. Fortunately I had every piece of gear with me, and layered well. I probably looked like the Michelen Man wearing a space suit, but I stayed warm enough until about Pittsburgh, but by then I was on the home stretch. We got to my parent's house at 1:30 am, cold but happy. Total mileage for the day (well, I guess two days technically) including the commute was 417 miles. I'm ready to do it again! :-) Happy Easter everyone! Take care! Dale (the Horkster) & Tracy and Family 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 11 20:52:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27087; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07117; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16944 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVR8XBT34G8ZM1LN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:49:25 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:41:07 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:41:07 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:21:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Squidly pricks on beltway 4/11/98 To: dc-cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E1391ZXIHTJXNH X400-MTS-identifier: [;70140211408991/2523765@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 While heading home on the beltway this evening I was passed by 20 or so pricks on sportbikes (GSXR-750s, RRs, etc). Here's the situation, I'm heading north on 95 in PG county approaching Kenilworth Ave. I'm going 80mph in the left lane (everyone in the left lane was doing 80...) and the other lanes are loaded with traffic doing 65-75. I looked in the mirrors and saw a single bright headlight approaching (remember, I'm already doing 80). I got passed like I was standing still, and they passed me in my lane. Then, the rest of the group came zooming by, some on the shoulder, some splitting lanes at 100mph, etc. I definitely felt threatened but I held my line to avoid being hit by one of these !@#$ riders. I wonder how many of those guys could stay in front of me on US250. Well, that's not the point. Those guys were nuts and were taking the lives of everyone on a crowded highway for granted. If you wonder why sportbikes have a bad name... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 11 22:54:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28614; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09162; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18650 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id VAA08312 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:53:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA32597 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:53:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.41.110.45]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980412025339.EOCL500@XXXXXX> for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:53:39 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Summit Point Sunday Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:53:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bd65be$2f35f9a0$bb6e29a6@LJTanner.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal >From the department of failing to plan ahead: Anyone else wanna go to Summit point tomorrow? Sorta short notice, but I just decided. If so, send back or call me at 703-690-4763. I'm want to leave around 10am. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 12 08:23:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01821; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17289; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22650 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA27282 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 07:21:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv2-05.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.69) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma027278; Sun Apr 12 07:21:20 1998 Message-ID: <3530DBDC.2AF0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:21:01 -0700 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Looking for Pic of Eighties era BMW R80? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have a pic, or know of a site with a pic of a Mid Eighties around 87 BMW R80 Motorcycle. Specifically the Standard R80 not an RT or GS version. Would you send me the URL or email it. Thanks..... -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 12 12:29:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03095; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24947; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24359 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id INORa02092; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:27:50 -0500 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: <58458e77.3530eb88@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:27:50 EDT To: ROYK@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Squidly pricks on beltway 4/11/98 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Its a damn shame. But your right, alot of sport bike riders think they have the ultimate handling vehicle and wanna push it. I know, its gone through my head too on morethan one occasion, but I wish some these guys would slip up once and what happens when you screw around at that speed. Maybe then they could control their adrenaline-induced visions of being invincible. Sean P. Ride Free! '93 CBR600F2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 12 16:20:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05300; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29509; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27371 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id LXHKa02805; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:19:05 -0500 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: <61bfb6b1.353121bb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:19:05 EDT To: shephar1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Looking for Pic of Eighties era BMW R80? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-04-12 08:30:20 EDT, shephar1@XXXXXX writes: > > Does anyone have a pic, or know of a site with a pic of a Mid Eighties > around 87 BMW R80 Motorcycle. Specifically the Standard R80 not an RT > or GS version. Would you send me the URL or email it. Thanks..... > -- I don't know if you need a scanned version or not. I imagine the source below can provide a print version. I don't know if he will provide scanned versions. He basically is a used motorcycle magazine dealer. He will do a free search for you to identify any articles that were ever written on a particular model of motorcycle. The search will also let you know what articles he has in stock. I had him do a search for me but have never bought anything from him. The search was fast, free and seemed thorough. Mark Sommerfield Website - Click the address and take a look! - - http://www.motorcyclememories.com This takes you to Our Secure Server - - http://www.motorcyclememories.com/orderfrm.html Sale On The Magazines At This Site - http://www.motorcyclememories.com/mags.htm Your Search is taken from our database of nearly 14,000 collectibles we have cataloged during our 7 year history. If you have any questions check our Website, email or give me a call. If we can't help you locate what you need,we will do our best to send you to someone who can. Sincerely Dale P.S. We depend heavily on referals to find literature and attract new customers. If you will let your friends know about our service and if you run across any literature you can't use we would like to buy it. dj Motorcycle Memories Robbie "Dale" Jackson 6784 Camp John Rd. Millington, TN 38053 Phone/Fax 901-876-6883 Email mcyclemem@XXXXXX Visit our Website often Most frequent ask questions 1. Are these original items? Yes 2. Do I get the entire magazine or a copy? The whole magazine New - For your conveniece try our Secure Server - linked to our Home Page - http://www.moto From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 12 16:26:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05387; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29565; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27463 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1KZPa02676 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:25:46 -0500 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:25:46 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: motorcycle alarm Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 I was just given a Quorum JM-100S motorcycle alarm. Does anyone have any advice on installing it? Do they work better mounted in particular locations? I'll be putting it on my 1981 GPz550. Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 12 19:07:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07155; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 19:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02592; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 19:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29596 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 19:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id IUADa01930; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 19:06:20 -0500 (EDT) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 19:06:20 EDT To: ROYK@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Squidly pricks on beltway 4/11/98 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 I understand but just want to add that me & my CB-1 do NOT ride like that :D Marcy In a message dated 98-04-11 20:57:22 EDT, ROYK@XXXXXX writes: << If you wonder why sportbikes have a bad name... Kirk >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 12 23:09:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09510; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08097; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03068 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1LWKa02091; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:08:09 -0500 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: <8e29fa5a.3531819b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:08:09 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Need advice on a tire buy Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Just found a nail in my almost like new bridgestone battleaxe. Tomorrow Im going to get a new one put on, havent decided whether I should stick with the bridgestone (which also gives me 10% off the price) or go with the Avon Azzaro. I have a 93 cbr 600 f2, and Im looking for good cornering ability and grip. Any thoughts? Or does anyone know of any better tire that is usually in stock at cycle shops? Sean Ride Free! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 01:28:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA11095; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 01:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10684; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 01:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA04621 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 01:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA05406; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 01:35:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 01:35:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: CloudsAbv9 cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need advice on a tire buy In-Reply-To: <8e29fa5a.3531819b@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Have you considered removing the tire and patching it? --garcia On Sun, 12 Apr 1998, CloudsAbv9 wrote: > Just found a nail in my almost like new bridgestone battleaxe. Tomorrow Im > going to get a new one put on, havent decided whether I should stick with the > bridgestone (which also gives me 10% off the price) or go with the Avon > Azzaro. I have a 93 cbr 600 f2, and Im looking for good cornering ability and > grip. Any thoughts? Or does anyone know of any better tire that is usually > in stock at cycle shops? > > Sean > Ride Free! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 09:05:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13855; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12992; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08967 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-73.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.73]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id JAA06355; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980413090041.00a35d30@wingate> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:00:41 -0400 To: CloudsAbv9 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Balt-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Need advice on a tire buy In-Reply-To: <8e29fa5a.3531819b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm really pleased with my Azaros, period. Unfortunately, I've never tried the Battleaxe, and when I got these I was coming from previous-generation Dunlops, so my comparative experience is limited. :) MET At 11:08 PM 4/12/98 EDT, CloudsAbv9 wrote: >Just found a nail in my almost like new bridgestone battleaxe. Tomorrow Im >going to get a new one put on, havent decided whether I should stick with the >bridgestone (which also gives me 10% off the price) or go with the Avon >Azzaro. I have a 93 cbr 600 f2, and Im looking for good cornering ability and >grip. Any thoughts? Or does anyone know of any better tire that is usually >in stock at cycle shops? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 09:13:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13914; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13051; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09088 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id AF8123C04F2; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:13:37 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980413083115.00f76740@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:31:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: More Speedvision Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I got this comment from MediaGeneral Cable about putting more Speedvision on cable. Unfortunately, I think all these Grand Prix races are with vehicles with too many wheels. :-) Chris Norloff >From: info@XXXXXX >Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:41:34 -0400 >Subject: Re: More Speedvision >To: Chris Norloff >Content-Description: cc:Mail note part > > Thanks for writing with your comments about Speedvision. > > Media General Cable has made arrangements to air the following events > of the Formula One Racing Schedule: > > Argentina Grand Prix Sunday - April 12 11:30 am - 2:00 pm > San Morino Grand Prix Sunday - April 26 7:30 am - 10:00 am > Spanish Grand Prix Sunday - May 10 7:30 am - 10:00 am > Monaco Grand Prix Sunday - May 24 8:00 am - 10:30 am > Canadian Grand Prix Sunday - June 7 12:30 pm - 3:00 pm > French Grand Prix Sunday - June 28 7:30 am - 10:00 am > British Grand Prix Sunday - July 12 8:30 am - 11:00 am > Austrian Grand Prix Sunday - July 26 7:30 am - 10:00 am > German Grand Prix Sunday - August 2 7:30 am - 10:00 am > Hungarian Grand Prix Sunday - August 16 7:30 am - 10:00 am > Belgian Grand Prix Sunday - August 30 7:30 am - 10:00 am > Italian Grand Prix Sunday - Sept 13 7:30 am - 10:00 am > Luxemborg Grand Prix Sunday - Sept 27 7:30 am - 10:00 am > Japanese Grand Prix Saturday - Oct 31 10:30 pm - 1:00 am > > We know you all will enjoy this programming. Thank you for being > subscribers. > > Also, click to our "Online TV Guide" for a listing of all the > programming for Speedvision. > > > > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: More Speedvision >Author: Chris Norloff at INET_PO >Date: 4/8/98 7:37 AM > > >Please air Speedvision more - 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week. > >thank you, >Chris Norloff >Falls Church, VA > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 09:13:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13918; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13055; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09091 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id AF8423C04F2; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:13:40 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980413090459.00ef48d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:04:59 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Kicked my first car In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:38 AM 4/10/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >>1. Even louder horns. Not just your basic loud aftermarket horns, but BF >>Trucker horns or locomotive horns. I know you can get physically >>impractical here, but something loud enough to cause a heart attack would >>be nice. > >You just have the wrong bike. Lots of Wingers (and FL and RT folks) have >horns with rather sizable compressors attached. Some even plumb it into >their existing onboard compressors. Lessens the lag time from traditional >compressor horns. I've had air horns on two bikes, but they pooped out after a while. Also, the latest set sounded too shrill (trumpets too short, I'd say). The current horns are Fiamm electric horns, sold as "Freeway Blasters" at Trak Auto. They have a good big-fat-American-car sound that gets a bit more respect. What I'd really like is a two-foot truckers horn with an air compressor and its own air tank. Might need to upgrade the front springs, though. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 09:23:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13964; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13190; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09258 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA08487 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:26:36 -0400 Message-ID: <35321166.E9A722D0@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:21:42 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need advice on a tire buy References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with you garcia . . . my first thoughts were whether it would fit anything I own. it doesn't. Leon - who's never ridden on a tire with more than two plugs in it. (the tread keeps wearing out) Garcia Oliver wrote: > > Have you considered removing the tire and patching it? > > --garcia > > On Sun, 12 Apr 1998, CloudsAbv9 wrote: > > > Just found a nail in my almost like new bridgestone battleaxe. Tomorrow Im > > going to get a new one put on, havent decided whether I should stick with the > > bridgestone (which also gives me 10% off the price) or go with the Avon > > Azzaro. I have a 93 cbr 600 f2, and Im looking for good cornering ability and > > grip. Any thoughts? Or does anyone know of any better tire that is usually > > in stock at cycle shops? > > > > Sean > > Ride Free! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 09:34:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14081; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13283; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09427 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2T719KJB>; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:29:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: More Confessions of angry bikers? Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:32:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Proving that it is far better to give than to receive > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Foreman [SMTP:gforeman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 3:08 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: More Confessions of angry bikers? > > I am not proud of this, and in this day and time I wouldn't do it, but I > once had a lady toss her cigarette out right in my lap. At the next stop > light, I pulled up beside her, motioned to her, and she rolled the window > down thinking I was going to tell her something was wrong with her car, > and > I tossed it back in her lap and yelled "You dropped something". While she > was scrambling, the light changed, and I was gone. > Now days I'd probably be shot. > > > Gary Foreman > gforeman@XXXXXX > http://www.fj1100.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 10:10:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15119; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13619; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11104 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server (client196-126-28.bellatlantic.net [151.196.126.28]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id KAA11987 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009001bd66e5$50ee9980$1c7ec497@server> From: "Franz" To: Subject: Reply--advice on tire buy Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:59:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01BD66C2.CC1BBB60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BD66C2.CC1BBB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean, I am currently using metzler ME-Z1 on my cbr 600 and they are the best I have ever used. Good luck. F.Muller ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BD66C2.CC1BBB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sean,
I am currently using metzler ME-Z1 = on my cbr 600=20 and they are the best I have ever used. Good luck.
 
F.Muller
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BD66C2.CC1BBB60-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 10:12:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15136; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13633; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11162 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA09857 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:15:22 -0400 Message-ID: <35321CCD.92504DC5@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:10:21 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Cylinder walls. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got my 'old' EX250 motor apart this weekend and made a couple of interesting discoveries. After 34K miles of hard use, it started losing power, I thought it was bad valves. First the head is still in good shape, and the intake tracts had been cleaned up and polished. I'll probably put this head on the current motor. The valves still seem to be in good enough shape that it isn't worth replacing them. The cylinder walls are a different matter. The back side of the left wall is badly scuffed. The skirt of the piston is also scuffed and discolored. Based on the intermittent lack of power and the fact that it continued to run, these marks are consistent with the symptoms of the problem. What causes a piston to do that? Is there something I need to check/fix so that it doesn't happen again? I probably won't fix this motor, but if the carbs or head could be the cause, I'd like to prevent it so I don't have to swap motors every year. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 10:41:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15712; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15465; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11900 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id KAA05571; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35322435.6FAE2DBF@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:41:57 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Cylinder walls. References: <35321CCD.92504DC5@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit since it is only one cylinder and in only one area Check the valves on that side of the head carefully. Is there anything driven off that side of the motor that could be pulling the crank? Good luck!! Leon Begeman wrote: > I got my 'old' EX250 motor apart this weekend and made a couple of > interesting discoveries. After 34K miles of hard use, it started losing > power, I thought it was bad valves. > > First the head is still in good shape, and the intake tracts had been > cleaned up and polished. I'll probably put this head on the current > motor. The valves still seem to be in good enough shape that it isn't > worth replacing them. > > The cylinder walls are a different matter. The back side of the left > wall is badly scuffed. The skirt of the piston is also scuffed and > discolored. Based on the intermittent lack of power and the fact that > it continued to run, these marks are consistent with the symptoms of the > problem. What causes a piston to do that? Is there something I need to > check/fix so that it doesn't happen again? I probably won't fix this > motor, but if the carbs or head could be the cause, I'd like to prevent > it so I don't have to swap motors every year. > Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 11:20:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16559; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16497; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13450 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA29940 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:17:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA19619 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:16:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980413150646.INQJ500@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:06:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Calling Sash Dow.... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980413150646.INQJ500@[166.41.242.141]> Sash if your listening, give me a call. I need my cover for this weekend. Todd 703.644.2695 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 11:55:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17308; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18106; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14839 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVTIMYVROG8ZMGTI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:51:24 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:44:47 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:44:47 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:44:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Need advice on a tire buy In-reply-to: <8e29fa5a.3531819b@aol.com> To: CloudsAbv9 , dc-cycles , Balt-cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1115III2J12Q X400-MTS-identifier: [;74441131408991/2526215@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Just found a nail in my almost like new bridgestone battleaxe. >Tomorrow Im going to get a new one put on, havent decided whether >I should stick with the bridgestone (which also gives me 10% off the >price) or go with the Avon Azzaro. I have a 93 cbr 600 f2, and Im >looking for good cornering ability and grip. Any thoughts? Or does >anyone know of any better tire that is usually in stock at cycle >shops? The Metzeler MEZ-1 is usually stocked in sizes for your bike. These tires stick, when cold, about the same as a BT-50 Battleaxe does when warm (there are better tires with the Battleaxe designation). When the MEZ-1s are warm they stick like glue. Pirelli Dragon Corsas are the same tire with a different tread. While I had the BT-50s on I had to be careful about being smooth with the throttle while leaned over. Otherwise, the rear end could kick around a bit. With the MEZ-1s I can be pretty sloppy and they still stick. I have not found the limits of the MEZ-1s for street usage. There is a new version out or coming out. I think it's the MEZ-3. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 12:14:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17576; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19072; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15443 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVTJBCBM3K8ZMC5P@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:11:10 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:09:54 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:09:54 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:09:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Rockville to Centerville in evening rush hour To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1119III2MA3K X400-MTS-identifier: [;45902131408991/2526282@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 Could anyone suggest (in private mail, no need to clog the group up) a good route for getting from the Congressional area of Rockville out to Centerville? I'm hoping for something better than the beltway to 66. Thanks, Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 12:20:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17752; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19568; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15701 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2T719QMV>; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:19:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Need advice on a tire buy Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:22:38 -0400 Sensitivity: Company-Confidential MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sounds like an opportunity for a public (or at least dc-cycles) service -- buy some Dunlop D207GPs, run them into the ground, and let us know how you liked them ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, April 13, 1998 11:45 AM > To: CloudsAbv9; dc-cycles; Balt-cycles > Subject: Re: Need advice on a tire buy > Sensitivity: Confidential > > >Just found a nail in my almost like new bridgestone battleaxe. > >Tomorrow Im going to get a new one put on, havent decided whether > >I should stick with the bridgestone (which also gives me 10% off the > >price) or go with the Avon Azzaro. I have a 93 cbr 600 f2, and Im > >looking for good cornering ability and grip. Any thoughts? Or does > >anyone know of any better tire that is usually in stock at cycle > >shops? > > The Metzeler MEZ-1 is usually stocked in sizes for your bike. These > tires stick, when cold, about the same as a BT-50 Battleaxe does when > warm (there are better tires with the Battleaxe designation). When the > MEZ-1s are warm they stick like glue. Pirelli Dragon Corsas are the same > tire with a different tread. > > While I had the BT-50s on I had to be careful about being smooth with > the throttle while leaned over. Otherwise, the rear end could kick > around a bit. With the MEZ-1s I can be pretty sloppy and they still > stick. I have not found the limits of the MEZ-1s for street usage. There > is a new version out or coming out. I think it's the MEZ-3. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 12:22:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17775; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19611; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15733 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1LDHa23732 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:20:21 -0500 (EDT) From: MJordan666 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:20:21 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cylinder walls. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 In a message dated 98-04-13 10:19:05 EDT, mrider@XXXXXX writes: << The cylinder walls are a different matter. The back side of the left wall is badly scuffed. The skirt of the piston is also scuffed and discolored >> I'm presently going through the same thing at work with one of my diesel generators (5" diameter piston). In a word - overheating. Something is causing that cylinder to run hotter than it should. Piston skirt expands and you have contact. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 13:07:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18356; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20756; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17077 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id MAA05868 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35323CCA.3D7E2658@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:26:50 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: [Fwd: Need advice on a tire buy] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A674D783B19EE46FA6110F7A" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A674D783B19EE46FA6110F7A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------A674D783B19EE46FA6110F7A Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <35323CAD.F5A51B0A@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:26:21 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Need advice on a tire buy References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone had any problems with a plugged tire? I have a very small nail in my street tire that I need to fix. As it is now I lose about 3 lbs a week. I will be putting ALOT of long rides on this tire this summer and I have been know to go 130 for 5 or 10 minutes at a time. Kirk Roy wrote: > >Just found a nail in my almost like new bridgestone battleaxe. > >Tomorrow Im going to get a new one put on, havent decided whether > >I should stick with the bridgestone (which also gives me 10% off the > >price) or go with the Avon Azzaro. I have a 93 cbr 600 f2, and Im > >looking for good cornering ability and grip. Any thoughts? Or does > >anyone know of any better tire that is usually in stock at cycle > >shops? > > The Metzeler MEZ-1 is usually stocked in sizes for your bike. These > tires stick, when cold, about the same as a BT-50 Battleaxe does when > warm (there are better tires with the Battleaxe designation). When the > MEZ-1s are warm they stick like glue. Pirelli Dragon Corsas are the same > tire with a different tread. > > While I had the BT-50s on I had to be careful about being smooth with > the throttle while leaned over. Otherwise, the rear end could kick > around a bit. With the MEZ-1s I can be pretty sloppy and they still > stick. I have not found the limits of the MEZ-1s for street usage. There > is a new version out or coming out. I think it's the MEZ-3. > > Kirk --------------A674D783B19EE46FA6110F7A-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 13:31:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18932; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21021; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18331 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVTM0PED008ZMGWE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:26:40 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:19:13 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:19:13 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:18:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: FWD: The real deal on tires To: DC Cycles , Balt-cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_1wQxQeaey4GJ6JVp/99iYA)" Posting-date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1129III2V9CG X400-MTS-identifier: [;31913131408991/2526718@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 --Boundary_(ID_1wQxQeaey4GJ6JVp/99iYA) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII --Boundary_(ID_1wQxQeaey4GJ6JVp/99iYA) Content-type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:28:05 EDT From: Quentin Mise Subject: The real deal on tires To: ROYK Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Delivery-date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:31:00 EDT Posting-date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:29:45 EDT Importance: normal A1-type: MAIL Hello Kirk, and the Baltimore cycles list: Kirk, please take this email I send you, and forward it to the entire list. As of now you are the only person who can read this, I'm having errors with my email system, and could only reply directly to you, so please forward this to the rest of the listing. My name is Quentin Mise, I live in Glen Burnie, and I've been reading all of the discussion regarding tires lately. I'm about to give you all the, "real deal as it applies in reality" to sport bike tires. Many of you already have your own opinions, and you're welcome to dismiss this letter if you wish, but I'll take a moment to outline my credentials so that maybe I'll be able to enlighten you guys, and save you all some money. I'm a professional motorcycle road racer and I'll be competing in five different sanctioning bodies. WERA, CCS, GLRRA, Fasttrax, and the AMA nationals. In the past three years I've won seven championships at the regional level, and two overall championships and the king of the Nelson Ledges Road Racing series, (now known as Fasttrax.) Ok, now that the credibility is established, here's the skinny. Motorcycle tires, like any other component in the laws of physics, are all just a matter of compromise. There are three major factors to consider in the purchase of a DOT street tire. Racing slicks add more to the mix, but street tires only have three factors involved. Durability, traction, and price. Period. Unfortuneately, these three don't always go up or down in proportion to one another. For example, I've ridden on tires that cost a bundle, but burned up in ten laps. That's impracticle, even for racing. I've ridden on high mileage tires that I couldn't race on, so that didn't work either. The key is to find YOUR use for a tire, decide how long it needs to last YOU, decide how much grip YOU need, and finally, how much YOU want to pay for that tire. If the ultimate in sticky is needed, then buy a race compound Dunlop 207, or a Battleaxe BT58, they stick equally as well, thought the Bridgestone is a bit less expensive. Neither of these tires last for crap though, on the track we're only getting about 25 laps, or 50 miles, and this of course depends of the facility I'm riding at, and the surface of the pavement, temperature, etc.etc.. But on the street you should get a couple thousand miles out of them. Now when I had a street bike, I was more concerned about mileage than ultimate grip, so I bought the Metzeler ME99 rears, and the mileage version of the Lazer 33 fronts. Good long lasting tires that could still be used in the rain, and they were very reasonable. The tire that is right for the hotshot who thinks he's a bad-but spode boy might not last long enough for the practical rider, who wants to ride more than they wrench, and who doesn't go over their head in an effort to pose coolness. Likewise, if budget is your ultimate concern, and you ride very conservatively, then the tires you use won't be any good for said spode boy. IN ANY CASE, IF YOU RIDE OVER THE LIMIT OF ANY, ANY, ANY, COMMERCIALLY PRODUCED MOTORCYCLE TIRE ON THE STREET, THEN YOU NEED TO GET OFF, OFF OFF OF THE STREET, AND GET ONTO A RACE TRACK. Riding that hard on the street is a very stupid thing to do, and though you may have gotten away with it so far, it's going to get you eventually. So if you find yourself needing to buy race compound rubber just to go to the store, then you'd better get involved in some amateur racing, and then you'll be mature enough to calm down on the street, and hopefully you'll stay alive longer. If anyone is interested in getting involved with a racing class, or going to the track, or if you have any questions on how to get involved, please feel free to send me a private email to quentin.mise@XXXXXX, or post it through the listing if you'd like. I'll be more than glad to help get aggressive riding off of the street, where it brings us a bad name, and onto the track where it belongs. Oh, and Sean, please don't patch that tire. If you need a tire for you bike, send me a note, (plus, that way I'll know that my email is at least getting out of the building,) I may have something for you. I know is sucks to flatten out a brand new one, but please, don't patch it. Thanks Kirk for forwarding this for me, and take care folks, and please, don't race on the street.-Quentin Mise --Boundary_(ID_1wQxQeaey4GJ6JVp/99iYA) Content-type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:31:21 EDT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Importance: normal A1-type: DOCUMENT RFC-822-headers: Received: from gatekeeper.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) with SMTP id <01IVTJXK5LTC8ZMHJH@XXXXXX> for ROYK@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:26:24 EDT Received: from ferc.fed.us by gatekeeper.cder.fda.gov; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/19Sep95-0726PM) id AA16249; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:27:45 -0400 Received: from ferc3.ferc.fed.us by [208.207.43.2] via smtpd (for gatekeeper.cder.FDA.gov [150.148.28.20]) with SMTP; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:18:00 +0000 (UT) Received: from ferc.fed.us by ferc.fed.us (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA03028; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:27:46 -0400 Received: from HQDOMAIN1-Message_Server by ferc.fed.us with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:28:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Content-disposition: inline --Boundary_(ID_1wQxQeaey4GJ6JVp/99iYA)-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 13:31:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18961; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21032; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18365 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11089 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980413133223.0069baf0@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 13 Apr 1998 17:30:43 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:32:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Insurance: AMF Allstate Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just got my renewal notice from Allstate. Despite my (surprisingly) clean driving record, 30-35 age group, and type of bike, my premium was going to be nearly $2,000 per year for full coverage on the Beemer. Fifteen minutes later I was confirmed with Progressive for $451 per year, even without having other vehicles with them. Previously, Allstate wouldn't insure the bike unless I had an existing car policy with them. I'll enjoy calling my Allstate guy to cancel. These companies continue to amaze me with their alleged support of motorcycle insurance, while arbitrarily discouraging ownership of anything over 700 cc's or with a scary-sounding name. In 1993, Geico wouldn't insure anything named "Ninja," even a 250. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 13:42:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19191; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21184; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18737 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA15399; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980413134238.006a3aa4@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 13 Apr 1998 17:40:54 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:42:38 -0400 To: jay goddard From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: [Fwd: Need advice on a tire buy] Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: <35323CCA.3D7E2658@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:26 PM 4/13/98 -0400, jay goddard wrote: >Has anyone had any problems with a plugged tire? I have a very small nail >in my street tire that I need to fix. As it is now I lose about 3 lbs a >week. I will be putting ALOT of long rides on this tire this summer and I >have been know to go 130 for 5 or 10 minutes at a time. Jay, For the type of riding you do, you should probably view the plugged tired like the mini-spare on a car: it will get you home and allow you to do some modest driving until you replace it. Two years ago, I got a nail in a nearly-new $150 Battlax on the back of my ZX-11. As much as I hated to buy and mount a new one, I would never trust a plugged tire at my customary speeds. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 14:58:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20816; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22060; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21579 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA2613 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:49:33 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:56:02 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:57:22 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: hgg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Insurance: AMF Allstate -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I'm with Progressive, which I've found to be relatively bike-friendly, but even so, I never use the "N" word when talking to insurance people. "ZX 900" will have to do. Joe '85 900 Ninja >>> "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." - 4/13/98 1:32 PM >>> I just got my renewal notice from Allstate. Despite my (surprisingly) clean driving record, 30-35 age group, and type of bike, my premium was going to be nearly $2,000 per year for full coverage on the Beemer. Fifteen minutes later I was confirmed with Progressive for $451 per year, even without having other vehicles with them. Previously, Allstate wouldn't insure the bike unless I had an existing car policy with them. I'll enjoy calling my Allstate guy to cancel. These companies continue to amaze me with their alleged support of motorcycle insurance, while arbitrarily discouraging ownership of anything over 700 cc's or with a scary-sounding name. In 1993, Geico wouldn't insure anything named "Ninja," even a 250. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 16:41:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22743; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23640; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25240 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:39:49 -0400 (EDT) From: temsley@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA03651; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:38:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wil-de1-20.ix.netcom.com(205.184.17.52) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma003617; Mon Apr 13 15:38:22 1998 Message-ID: <353277A9.6DF8@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:38:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC Cycles , Balt-cycles Subject: Re: FWD: The real deal on tires References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quentin, If more people took your precious advice, sport motorcycling's reputation as well as insurance cost would be radically different. Please keep spreading your message. Todd "IN ANY CASE, IF YOU RIDE OVER THE LIMIT OF ANY, ANY, ANY, COMMERCIALLY PRODUCED MOTORCYCLE TIRE ON THE STREET, THEN YOU NEED TO GET OFF, OFF OFF OF THE STREET, AND GET ONTO A RACE TRACK. Riding that hard on the street is a very stupid thing to do, and though you may have gotten away with it so far, it's going to get you eventually. So if you find yourself needing to buy race compound rubber just to go to the store, then you'd better get involved in some amateur racing, and then you'll be mature enough to calm down on the street, and hopefully you'll stay alive longer. If anyone is interested in getting involved with a racing class, or going to the track, or if you have any questions on how to get involved, please feel free to send me a private email to quentin.mise@XXXXXX, or post it through the listing if you'd like. I'll be more than glad to help get aggressive riding off of the street, where it brings us a bad name, and onto the track where it belongs. Oh, and Sean, please don't patch that tire. If you need a tire for you bike, send me a note, (plus, that way I'll know that my email is at least getting out of the building,) I may have something for you. I know is sucks to flatten out a brand new one, but please, don't patch it. Thanks Kirk for forwarding this for me, and take care folks, and please, don't race on the steet"-Quentin Mise From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 16:50:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22831; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23732; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25646 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-231.s231.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.231]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10708; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35327A8A.EDC6E36E@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:50:18 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9 CC: ROYK@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Squidly pricks on beltway 4/11/98 References: <58458e77.3530eb88@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean, Actually, one did slip up really bad last year (according to the emails on the list). Apparently someone on a newer ninja took off from a light WFO (passing a lister's friend going the opposite way) o one of the major commuter routes (in rush hour) and managed to run all the way through the top of third gear (read: triple digits easily) when he smacked right into the side of a schoolbuss making a left hand turn. Needless to say, there was not much of anything (bike or rider) left after impact. Definitely a stupid rider error...the bus driver had know way of judging the bikes speed... CloudsAbv9 wrote: > but I wish some these guys would slip up > once and what happens when you screw around at that speed. Maybe then they > could control their adrenaline-induced visions of being invincible. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 17:05:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23098; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24135; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26086 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p192.smart.net [206.97.127.192]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07668; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:03:44 -0400 Message-ID: <35327CA6.659C1434@smart.net> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:59:19 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance: AMF Allstate References: <3.0.1.32.19980413133223.0069baf0@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's funny....my Allstate quote was half of what I was paying at Progressive. I was happy to make the switch the other way. It would be quite interesting to see the equation each company uses to calculate risk. Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > I just got my renewal notice from Allstate. Despite my (surprisingly) > clean driving record, 30-35 age group, and type of bike, my premium was > going to be nearly $2,000 per year for full coverage on the Beemer. > Fifteen minutes later I was confirmed with Progressive for $451 per year, > even without having other vehicles with them. Previously, Allstate > wouldn't insure the bike unless I had an existing car policy with them. > I'll enjoy calling my Allstate guy to cancel. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 17:39:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23796; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25561; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27184 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p192.smart.net [206.97.127.192]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08879 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:37:34 -0400 Message-ID: <35328495.840F0DA0@smart.net> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:33:10 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Easter Ride (relatively long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Easter Sunday ride report (a combination of Zbig's memory and my editing): Attendees: Craig, Blue TL-1000 (custom paint job....Nice!) Jerry, nice YZF 750 Tom, black ZX-11 Zbigniew, black XX. I was the late arrival in Leesburg, having missed White's Ferry by about 10 yards (less than a minute). No one seemed to mind the extra time to wake/gas up. Craig was the group leader for the entire ride. The pace was (in my opinion) a relatively quick one. The roads were not too crowded. We left Leesburg Amoco via Dry Mill road; took old rt 7 via Hamilton to Purceville; from Purceville via Airmont to Bluemont. Snickerville Road was too bumpy for all except me, as I was riding the couch of the group. So, we slabbed it for 2 miles on rt 7, and left into rt 606 south to reach Rt50. 606 will need to be ridden again soon. It would be nice to know which turns are coming up ;-). Then west on 50 for about a mile, and left (south) on rt 638 (I forget this part....Zbig, was this a good part?). In Linden right onto rd 55, and to Front Royal. From Front Royal rt 522 south (packed, parked) to Flint Hill where we took our first real break. After a brief rest and stretch, Craig convinced us to forget a jaunt down to 211 and assured us that we would find plenty of fun on the next stretch of road. We gladly followed. His route was (I believe) Rt 647 through jerrys Shop, Ada to Marshall; and The Plains. Pork Barbeque sandwich for the second day in a row? Why not. The pork at the BP in The Plains barely edges out the Summit Point sandwich. Should this be considered a recommendation? No. From Plains to Middleburg (no passing zones). Craig was almost turned into roadkill by a speeding, daydreaming idiot in a Jeep Cherokee who didn't even bother slowing down for a one lane bridge. Then rt 50 east where the group broke apart on Gilbert's corner ( rt 50 & 15) Craig and I headed to Leesburg, Jerry and Zbig headed east. Zbig took rt 860 north to Evergreen Mills (690) and headed north, to almost get run over by Craig when he was turning left from 690 into a neighborhood. How Craig got from Leesburg to where he almost hit Zbig we will have to ask him. My ferry luck continued when I arrived at White's for the trip home, finding about 2 full ferryloads of cars waiting. I decided that if I was going to make it home to see the Masters, I would need to find an alternate route.....15 N to Point of Rocks to 28 east all the way back. Zbig wants to make parts of this trip a regular route and will be using GPS and some mapping software (and a laptop?) to get the route pinned down. I'm looking forward to seeing the Blackbird fully loaded with computer equipment sometime soon. Craig did a great job leading the group. Thanks Craig, if you're out there. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 19:46:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25637; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27000; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA00060 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25442; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA08648 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980413194406.008af270@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:44:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Summit this weekend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks to all from the list who stopped by to say hello (sorry I didn't have time to talk) in the pits this weekend. We'll have a race report on the Team Charm home page in a day or two. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 19:46:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25641; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26999; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA00061 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA08642 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980413194218.008aa4b0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:42:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Cylinder walls. In-Reply-To: <35321CCD.92504DC5@illuminet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:10 AM 4/13/98 -0400, Leon Begeman wrote: >The cylinder walls are a different matter. The back side of the left >wall is badly scuffed. From the above statement I beleive you are saying that the #1 clyinder has skuff marks on the intake side? A local problem like this that is not caused by a bad boring job is normally associated with heat failure in that area. If it is an OEM bore & pistons you can rule out the possibility of a bad bore job, kawasaki is pretty good at that. Take a good look at the cooling jacket in that area. Does the jacket end right above the marks? Does the clyinder sleave show signs of heat (burned oil and or blueing) on the exposed area under the AL clyinder casting? Honda had a problem with this on the GOOF2's Does the coolent flow thru the engine in such a manner that this area is the last area within the engine the coolant pass on its way to the radiator? If so, lower coolant temps. Any signs of detnotation on the piston? S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 19:54:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25745; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27077; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA00181 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-231.s231.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.231]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA11154; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3532A5BD.B0DF5B0A@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:54:37 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need advice on a tire buy References: <8e29fa5a.3531819b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can read back through the archives for my full thoughts, but in my experience (D204 street and GP, Metzler MEZ1, Aon Azarro) The Avons are several orders of magnitude better than the dunnies or MEZs. They stick better and last much longer than the other two (for me anyhow). If the East Coast distributor can get em in one of these centuries, I'll be using the Azarro GP compound on my race bike rather than the D207s. If you want to know any more of my thoughts about em, let me know. Collin CloudsAbv9 wrote: > > Just found a nail in my almost like new bridgestone battleaxe. Tomorrow Im > going to get a new one put on, havent decided whether I should stick with the > bridgestone (which also gives me 10% off the price) or go with the Avon > Azzaro. I have a 93 cbr 600 f2, and Im looking for good cornering ability and > grip. Any thoughts? Or does anyone know of any better tire that is usually > in stock at cycle shops? > > Sean > Ride Free! -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 20:02:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25913; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27165; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00271 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-231.s231.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.231]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14236; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3532A7AC.7690DD75@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:02:52 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas H. Gimer" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Easter Ride (relatively long) References: <35328495.840F0DA0@smart.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, You guys did some really nice roads... Yes, 647 is the road through Plains. Almost every one of the roads you mentioned are the ones I was regularly leading on last summer.... Hopefully I'll get things together on one of the beasts and be able to show you some even better little stretches in that area..... You sure on 606?? THe description sounded more like 601 (Mt. Weather EAC) I don't think 606 even goes all the way through to 50? (maybe it does :)) Glad to hear you guys had a good ride. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 20:12:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25994; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27229; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00455 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-231.s231.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.231]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA18398; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3532AA03.9A525645@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:12:51 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles , Balt-cycles Subject: Sunday's Racing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, didn't see a whole lot of folks out at the track this weekend (heard some were there on Sat, but I was hiding waaay down in corner 2) The racing on sunday was some of the best motorcycle racing I've ever seen. The Beemister brothers (may have mispelled that) put on a spectacular dual in two separate races. Bryan on the new R1 his brother Tim on a GSXR1100. Their lap times were within 1 second of lap record for almost every lap (a lot of other guys got this fast in other classes as well) Each of the brothers split a win. My personal call is that on equal bikes, Tim would probably edge out Bryan more than not. He was shimmying and shaking and sliding and chattering and everything else to the GSXR to do battle with the R1. While the R1 was rock stable. Jeff Atwell also was running an R1 and generally right behind the other two. Reportedly, his R1 dynoed at 144 hp at the rear tire with only the addition of a pipe and a minor change in needle setting. It didn't even have a jet kit! Beemister also showed a little of the R1's brute power when he lifted the front tire vertical with ROLL ON throttle from turn 2 through turn 3, then from 3 to 4, then finally halfway down the back straight while passing people!!! Simply incredible... but I'm sure this kind of bike on the street in the hands of a less experienced rider could spell doom. WERA race weekend is only two weeks away... Hope to see everyone there!! -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 20:18:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26073; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27268; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00550 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (brauhaus.CSS.GOV [140.162.4.56]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA28688 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804140016.UAA28688@seismo.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:16:03 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Easter Ride (relatively long) In-Reply-To: <35328495.840F0DA0@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:33 PM 4/13/98 -0400, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: >Easter Sunday ride report (a combination of Zbig's memory and my >editing): > >Attendees: > Craig, Blue TL-1000 (custom paint job....Nice!) > Jerry, nice YZF 750 > Tom, black ZX-11 > Zbigniew, black XX. ... Mmm... XX. Nice bike. It handles like silk... goes where you /think/ about going. Zbig's lucky I didn't let him keep my FJ after we traded bikes for a bit yesterday. ;-) > > Zbig wants to make parts of this trip a regular route and will be >using GPS and some mapping software (and a laptop?) to get the route >pinned down. I'm looking forward to seeing the Blackbird fully loaded >with computer equipment sometime soon. There's probably enough surface area that he can continue using Velcro to affix everything. I just want to see how long it is before he looks into a cellular or metrocom modem so he can be on the net while riding. Dan Brown -- '89 Yamaha FJ1200. DOD #208. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 22:28:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27440; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27900; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02523 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.38] (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:24:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: found in a barn, under a tarp... Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 22:27:30 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Okay, so it wasn't an old tarp, it was a faded American flag, and it wasn't a barn, but a garage attached to the house. After Easter dinner, we go to SWMBO's great Aunt Theresa's house. Aunt Theresa's Husband, Howard, died a few months ago. As we pull into the driveway, I notice a motorcycle. Great! Seems not all of Angie's relatives were dorks. Waitaminnut. That's a boxer twin! It's olive drab! It has a hack!! For the rest of the afternoon, I looked at and drooled over Uncle Howie's Chinese made BMW knockoff. Granted, finding the Chinese script was a bit of a letdown (especially since he had a genuine 1929 Ford also in the garage) but it was amazing nonetheless. The heel-toe shifter seemed custom made for a size 13 boot. SWMBO and her dog liked the sidecar. I liked the kickstart (didn't try to crank it over though. The bike has probably been sitting for over a year, since Uncle Howie got sick.) The only markings I was able to read was '752 cc' which I'm guessing is the displacement. This bike was something to behold. I'll be back in Kent this July (and probably before then also) and am going to try and get some info on the bike before then. Even if I don't try to buy the bike myself, I would like to get it running again, so that Angie's aunt doesn't get taken when she eventually sells it. And here I was, dreading this trip. (Which I was right to do. Got rear ended on the Beltway coming home today. Luckily, I was in the cage.) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 22:28:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27445; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27896; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02519 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.38] (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:24:53 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kicked my first car Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 22:27:27 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I've had air horns on two bikes, but they pooped out after a while. Also, >the latest set sounded too shrill (trumpets too short, I'd say). The >current horns are Fiamm electric horns, sold as "Freeway Blasters" at Trak >Auto. They have a good big-fat-American-car sound that gets a bit more >respect. I have a single one of these on the BMW. Will get two or three for the Gold Wing (plenty of room:) unless... >What I'd really like is a two-foot truckers horn with an air compressor and >its own air tank. Might need to upgrade the front springs, though. This is what I'm thinking about right now. The room is there. I'll have a source of compressed air onboard. Why not? (Oh, and probably have the twin Fiamms for backup and additional sound anyway) Why follow the Wing crowd, and put on tons of lights? I'm gonna put on fifty horns!!! ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 22:55:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27744; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28136; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foil.apk.net (known foil.apk.net [207.54.133.102]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA03023 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:53:50 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (qmail 14834 invoked by uid 101); 14 Apr 1998 02:53:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19980414025349.14833.qmail@foil.apk.net> Subject: Re: Easter Ride (relatively long) To: gixer@XXXXXX (Collin T. Fagan) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tgimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3532A7AC.7690DD75@geocities.com> from "Collin T. Fagan" at Apr 13, 98 08:02:52 pm Reply-To: kleks@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (216)-241-7166 X-Organization: APK - Public Access UNI* site 216.241.7541 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Tom, > You guys did some really nice roads... Yes, 647 is the road through > Plains. Almost every one of the roads you mentioned are the ones I was > regularly leading on last summer.... Hopefully I'll get things together > on one of the beasts and be able to show you some even better little > stretches in that area..... > > You sure on 606?? THe description sounded more like 601 (Mt. Weather > EAC) I don't think 606 even goes all the way through to 50? (maybe it > does :)) Glad to hear you guys had a good ride. At least that is what my Map'N'Go says - this was the road just next to river for first few miles, and then turnign little up; it certainly was not the earlier road going over ridge. Yes, it goes all way to 50 - and is a very nice set of twists and curves in 3 dimensions. The stretch between 50 and Fron Royal is generally milder, with one right decreasing radius ugly place. What was nice for me is that finally I have aa way to reach Front Royal from Ashburn without using slab... _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 23:19:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28028; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28261; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03350 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id GTYLa10748; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:17:35 -0500 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:17:35 EDT To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX@mail.martinagency.com, hgg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Insurance: AMF Allstate -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Im also with progressive, I went from a 93 NightHawk 750 to a 93 CBR 600 F2 and only paid 2 hundred dollars more a year. I have 2 points and a few tangles on my record too, and Im only 18. Are these guys nuts insuring me? ;-) Sean P. Ride Free! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 00:21:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29147; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28965; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04230 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id XAA08665; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:17:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA31516; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:17:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980413191806.CHGS5955@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:18:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles , HSTA , st1100 Subject: Parking in NY City. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980413191806.CHGS5955@[166.41.242.141]> All, I'll be tooling up to NYC from Washington, DC this Friday and need some advice on security. I will be visiting a friend who lives around 60th st on the eastside, but she doesn't have a private garage. Can anyone advise/point to a reliably safe garage to park my ST from Friday evening to Sunday? Please reply privately. Tia, Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 01:02:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29470; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29533; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA04764 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr26-dialup33.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0ERE00H3X0KG2T@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 05:00:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:00:52 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Bodywork needed To: Baltimore Cycle Club Cc: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <000a01bd66dc$3421a3a0$614937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_/hMmtvq0ge2I8+xG8H/itw)" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_/hMmtvq0ge2I8+xG8H/itw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I'm looking for a front left side fairing for an FZR 600. Does anyone have an extra they want to get rid of ? If you even know of anybody, let me know. I feel naked without it! Thanks Jon 92 FZR 600 MD --Boundary_(ID_/hMmtvq0ge2I8+xG8H/itw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I'm looking for a front left side fairing for an FZR 600.  Does anyone have an extra they want to get rid of ?  If you even know of anybody, let me know.  I feel naked without it!  Thanks
 
Jon
92 FZR 600
MD
--Boundary_(ID_/hMmtvq0ge2I8+xG8H/itw)-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 01:24:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29724; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29641; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA05033 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id BAA00078 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id AAA07212 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:22:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980413210724.MNLI500@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:07:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: New Koni Shocks X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980413210724.MNLI500@[166.41.242.141]> FYI!! Todd Take a look at www.koni.com under NEWS! The KONI 2615 is a gas-hydraulic monoshock with fully separated gas and oil by means of a floating piston. Other manufacturers often make a so-called 'emulsion-type' damper, in which gas and oil are mixed. However, full separation of these is an absolute condition for the best possible damping characteristics. With the KONI 2615 it is possible to adjust the damping characteristics and so optimize comfort and roadholding. Simply turning one single knob enables you to adjust both bump and rebound to your individual taste. The new KONI 2615 shock absorbers feature a progressively wound spring. Automatically the spring force will vary from soft to firm, depending on the load carried. Moreover, the bottom spring seat is adjustable, which provides a further possibility to fine-tune the spring tension. The combination of adjustable damping forces, a progressive spring and an adjustable spring seat makes it possible to adjust the riding characteristics to all individual requirements. It is the intention that in the course of this spring, monoshocks will become available for the following motorcycles: BMW R 80/RT, R 65, BMW R 100RT/Classic, K 75/C/S/RT, K 1100 LT/RS, K 100, K 100 LT/LR and K 100 RS Honda ST 1100 and CBR 600 F Kawasaki ZZR 600, GPZ 600, GPZ 500 and GPZ 1100 Suzuki GSX 600 F, GSX 1100 F, GSX 100 EF/ES and GS 500 E Yamaha XJ 600, XJ Diversion, FZR 600, FJ 1100 and FJ 1200 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 06:33:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA02295; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA03252; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA08542 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-231.s231.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.231]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA26495; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35333BA4.6E08E16D@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:34:12 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9 CC: "NAGYJ@XXXXXX"@mail.martinagency.com, hgg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance: AMF Allstate -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With State Farm, your rates would actually have dropped going from the Nighthawk 750 to a CBR 600..... All they look at is displacement, not model :) Collin (Who pays much less than Sean's increase for his full coverage :)) CloudsAbv9 wrote: > > Im also with progressive, I went from a 93 NightHawk 750 to a 93 CBR 600 F2 > and only paid 2 hundred dollars more a year. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 07:08:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02599; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05046; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (known helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA09205 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net ([128.231.230.165]) by helix.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11544 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35334231.28EE2CA4@radix.net> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:02:09 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance: AMF Allstate References: <3.0.1.32.19980413133223.0069baf0@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry, You may want to try another Allstate agent. I was able to successfully insure my '97 Cobra ( cage ) with Allstate, but the 1st time I contacted my agent, they told me 'no way, Allstate will not insure that car, period.' So, I began searching rates. Just for grins, I called another agent ; Not only got Cage insurance with them for LESS money than I was paying Geico for my 90 GT Mustang ( cage ), but got insurance on my '90 ZX 11 for less than $300 / year w/ $100 deductible. My previous policy from Progressive was over $700 w/ $500 deductibles... I was very clear that this was a NINJA... I have homeowners with Allstate as well, which definitely helped with the Cage insurance. Check around a bit, there is great variance as we all know. Good luck Dave Yates '90 ZX 11(12 now ! ) Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > I just got my renewal notice from Allstate. Despite my (surprisingly) > clean driving record, 30-35 age group, and type of bike, my premium was > going to be nearly $2,000 per year for full coverage on the Beemer. > Fifteen minutes later I was confirmed with Progressive for $451 per year, > even without having other vehicles with them. Previously, Allstate > wouldn't insure the bike unless I had an existing car policy with them. > I'll enjoy calling my Allstate guy to cancel. > These companies continue to amaze me with their alleged support of > motorcycle insurance, while arbitrarily discouraging ownership of anything > over 700 cc's or with a scary-sounding name. In 1993, Geico wouldn't > insure anything named "Ninja," even a 250. > > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 08:41:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03391; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06516; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10336 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cagw1.att.com; Tue Apr 14 08:32 EDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA12382 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6780.D0167750@XXXXXX>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:39:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: New Oil for Sale - Discount!! Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:39:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have 4 Quarts of Honda HP4 semi-synthetic oil for sale. $2.50/qt=20 for a total of $10 for all 4. This is about =BD the retail price. Act=20 now! Contact me and we can discuss delivery etc. Thanks. John Carver '98 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 08:41:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03390; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06531; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com (known ngedns.northgrum.com [192.86.71.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10342 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgny003.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.161]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA12657; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 05:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGNY003 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2TMD253H>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:38:36 -0400 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BA4@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'Suzuki List'" Subject: RF electrical help needed Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:38:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain All, Coming home yesterday, the RF died at a stop light. The 1 1/2 mile push home was quite entertaining. :-) I think it is the battery. I pulled it apart on the side of the road and knocked some corrosion off the battery's positive terminal. It made contact and lit the idiot lights in the on position, but did not have enough juice to even crank over the starter once. The battery is about two years old (earlier than I would like to replace it, but not too bad), so I will take it to the shop today and have it load tested. I am fairly sure it is shot, however. So, my question is, "what to do now"? I have access to a volt meter, and after I get a new battery in it, what should I check to be sure there is nothing else wrong with the bike, and that it is just a case of an old battery? For example, what should the volts be off, and at idle? Should I check the voltage at the alternator, starter, etc.? I am kind of electrically challenged, but can handle using the volt meter ... I just don't know what the readings should be and how to tell if all is well or not. Any help would be appreciated ... Thanks in advance, chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 08:43:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03412; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06720; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10384 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A9C2C970434; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:42:42 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980414082954.00eb82d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:29:54 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: [Fwd: Need advice on a tire buy] In-Reply-To: <35323CCA.3D7E2658@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:26 PM 4/13/98 -0400, jay goddard wrote: >Has anyone had any problems with a plugged tire? I have a very small nail >in my street tire that I need to fix. As it is now I lose about 3 lbs a >week. I will be putting ALOT of long rides on this tire this summer and I >have been know to go 130 for 5 or 10 minutes at a time. At speeds like that I wouldn't even think of using a plugged or patched tire. That's just asking for trouble. If you end up lying in a hospital bed, you'll think the $150 you saved wasn't worth much. You might ask a racer if they'd use a plugged tire. For ordinary speeds, the safe choice is to replace the tire, however, a lot of people have ridden thousands of miles on plugged tires with no problem. I had a tire with a slow leak but I could never find a hole. 8,000 miles later when I changed the tire I found a headless nail in it - the hole had closed up enough to be virtually invisible, but it could still leak air. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 08:43:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03416; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06724; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10387 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A9C3C970434; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:42:43 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980414083156.00eba100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:31:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Insurance: AMF Allstate In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980413133223.0069baf0@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:32 PM 4/13/98 -0400, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > In 1993, Geico wouldn't >insure anything named "Ninja," even a 250. When I insured by Datsun 240Z many years ago, one company representative told me they don't insure any car with a Z in the name. I asked them why they didn't insure Isuzus. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 08:50:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03493; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07031; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wariat.apk.net (known wariat.apk.net [192.147.147.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10513 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ztyrlik (pcorddry.sales.intercon.com [149.52.22.55]) by wariat.apk.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA29601; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:51:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: "Dave Yates" , Subject: RE: Insurance: AMF Allstate Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:49:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bd67a3$d1bac390$37163495@ztyrlik.ascend.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <35334231.28EE2CA4@radix.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 1998 7:02 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Insurance: AMF Allstate > > > Harry, > You may want to try another Allstate agent. I was able to successfully > insure my '97 Cobra ( cage ) with Allstate, but the 1st time I > contacted my > agent, they told me 'no way, Allstate will not insure that car, > period.' So, Nationwide in general is insane. I do have some spots on my record, but: in Ohio , I was paying $200/year for FJ1200 with Farmers; since I had house insured with Allstate, I quoted them for XX insurance. $3000/year. So I went shopping: GEICO - about $1500 Nationwide - do not want to talk Farmers - $300 / year Progressive - $150 /year and since I am lazy, and want to have all things with one agency, I went with Farmers, transferred my house from Nationwide, my cages from Ohio's Farmers, added some other things and still saved money comparing to what I was paying before buying a bike. That was _good_ argument in discussions with SO - Honey, I am saving money on insurance and gas !!!!! Shop around. Call them It is your money. And look at stocks performance for financial and insurance companies - where do you think this profits are coming from ????? _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 09:09:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03772; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07250; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10976 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SackcoD@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id HHKFa02900 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:03:31 -0500 (EDT) From: SackcoD Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:03:31 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycles) Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Parking in NY City. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 168 While living in NYC I always kept my bike in one of two garages: one in Greenwich Village, the other in the East Village. Both of these garages took only long term m/c parking. I know that long term m/c parking is available at garages in most parts of Manhattan -- you just have to be willing to pay a lot. I don't know of any short term m/c parking except on the street, which might turn out to be shorter term than you want. If your friend lives in a doorman building I would ask her to check with the doorman, who might have some connections in the parking trade. I'll post again if I get replies from any of my m/c savvy NYC friends regarding short term m/c parking on the east side near the 60's. --Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 11:04:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06110; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09068; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15048 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA13446; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:59:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA14454; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980414145927.SIUG500@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:59:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: zbig@XXXXXX CC: gixer@XXXXXX (Collin T. Fagan), tgimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Easter Ride (relatively long) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980414145927.SIUG500@[166.41.242.141]> My version of Map-n-Go doesn't even show 606. Can you give the coordinates Zbig? Todd >> Tom, >> You guys did some really nice roads... Yes, 647 is the road through >> Plains. Almost every one of the roads you mentioned are the ones I was >> regularly leading on last summer.... Hopefully I'll get things together >> on one of the beasts and be able to show you some even better little >> stretches in that area..... >> >> You sure on 606?? THe description sounded more like 601 (Mt. Weather >> EAC) I don't think 606 even goes all the way through to 50? (maybe it >> does :)) Glad to hear you guys had a good ride. > >At least that is what my Map'N'Go says - this was the road just next to >river for first few miles, and then turnign little up; it certainly >was not the earlier road going over ridge. Yes, it goes all way to 50 - >and is a very nice set of twists and curves in 3 dimensions. > >The stretch between 50 and Fron Royal is generally milder, with one >right decreasing radius ugly place. What was nice for me is that finally >I have aa way to reach Front Royal from Ashburn without using slab... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 11:26:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06856; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09567; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16384 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA27033; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:33:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:33:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Meier, Christopher" cc: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Re: RF electrical help needed In-Reply-To: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BA4@xcgva001.grumman.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, Take the new battery and attach to test leads to it. Touch the test leads to your tongue. this will verify that the battery is charged, depending on how high you jump. Seriously though... I am not an electricity guru, but here's what I would do 1.) Hook up the new battery and be sure everything works OK. 2.) measure voltage at the batter terminals, should be about 13.8 volts if the battery is charging. I don't know if the RF is designed to charge the battery at idle or not, of not it won't be 13.8. You might try revving to see if it gets up there. 3.) I would try disconnecting the battery (with bike running) and see if bike still runs, if so, I would say all is OK. Note, there is a possibility that this could cause damage to electronics if you're not careful not letting the cables touch anything. This is just lay opinion o nthis oneand would hold other opinions in higher regard. 4.) Was the old battery dry or anything like that? 2 years sounds like a reasonable possible life span. Good luck. On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Meier, Christopher wrote: > All, > > Coming home yesterday, the RF died at a stop light. The 1 1/2 mile push > home was quite entertaining. :-) > > I think it is the battery. I pulled it apart on the side of the road and > knocked some corrosion off the battery's positive terminal. It made contact > and lit the idiot lights in the on position, but did not have enough juice > to even crank over the starter once. > > The battery is about two years old (earlier than I would like to replace it, > but not too bad), so I will take it to the shop today and have it load > tested. I am fairly sure it is shot, however. > > So, my question is, "what to do now"? I have access to a volt meter, and > after I get a new battery in it, what should I check to be sure there is > nothing else wrong with the bike, and that it is just a case of an old > battery? > > For example, what should the volts be off, and at idle? Should I check the > voltage at the alternator, starter, etc.? I am kind of electrically > challenged, but can handle using the volt meter ... I just don't know what > the readings should be and how to tell if all is well or not. > > Any help would be appreciated ... > > Thanks in advance, > chris > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 11:34:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07058; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10003; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16657 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id IAA23578; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id IAA27115; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA00033; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:33:04 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA00030; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:33:04 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD677F.EFDBD130@XXXXXX>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:33:01 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Web site address or 800 # for MSF Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:28:42 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 8 TEXT, 44 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Hi. Does anyone have the website address or 800 number for the Motorcycle Safety Foundation? 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After a battery is filled with acid it should be charged for four or five hours at no more than ten percent of its capacity in order to properly form the plates in the battery. If they don't you should charge it yourself, otherwise you will lose twenty percent of the capacity right off the top. After the new battery is installed start the bike and hook up the voltmeter to the battery. As you rev the engine the voltage at the battery should rise to between 13.8 Volts to no more than 14.5 Volts. The rpm level that the alternator charges at will vary between bikes but the charging voltage should be in that range, if not you have a problem. Matt > >For example, what should the volts be off, and at idle? Should I check the >voltage at the alternator, starter, etc.? I am kind of electrically >challenged, but can handle using the volt meter ... I just don't know what >the readings should be and how to tell if all is well or not. > >Any help would be appreciated ... > >Thanks in advance, >chris > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------- >Christopher A. Meier >meierch@XXXXXX >Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA >1994 RF900R AMA #470094 >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------- > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 12:03:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07710; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10599; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18001 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (pool-207-205-218-226.pitb.grid.net [207.205.218.226]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA26171; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980414120345.006adf3c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:03:45 -0400 To: Morris Berman From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: RF electrical help needed Cc: "Meier, Christopher" , "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" In-Reply-To: References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BA4@xcgva001.grumman.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Chris, Decent supply shops should have battery testers which can instantly tell you whether the battery is good, even if largely discharged. You can bring in your dead battery, have it charged to as little as 10% of full, then get it tested. The old type required a full charge and took a bit of time to complete. The new type is digital and (I think) alternately loads and charges the battery and measures changes in voltage, taking only a few seconds. They should do it for free. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 12:06:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07751; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10679; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18115 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (pool-207-205-218-226.pitb.grid.net [207.205.218.226]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA27395; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980414120614.006acd88@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:06:14 -0400 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Web site address or 800 # for MSF Cc: "'DC Cycles'" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:28 AM 4/14/98 -0700, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: >Hi. >Does anyone have the website address or 800 number for the Motorcycle >Safety Foundation? http://www.msf-usa.org/ Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 12:29:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08474; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11032; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com (known ngedns.northgrum.com [192.86.71.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19221 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgny003.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.161]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA18437; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGNY003 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2TMD26F0>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:27:01 -0400 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BA8@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: RF electrical help needed Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:26:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain New development ... I just got back from Cycle Sport. They load tested my battery and said it was fine. I guess that's good, but I was hoping the fix would be as simple as a new battery. So, now what? Shop guy recommended cleaning all the terminals and connections to make sure that they are free of corrosion and try again. Use the voltmeter to determine if there is a ground. Otherwise "bring it in and we'll have a look at it". Obviously, I'd rather not $do that$, but I'm kinda at a loss as to what else to try. Major symptoms indicate it is the battery. 1) when I cleaned the corrosion off last night, the neutral and oil idiot light would come on. 2) depress starter button and the lights go out, absolutely NOTHING happens. it would not even turn the starter at all. also no popping sounds. 3) release the starter and the idiot lights do NOT re-light. 4)Turn key off and back on, ... nothing 5)come back a few hours later and repeat same process. indicating the battery was to weak to crank the engine, but after it sat for a while, it recovered enough of a charge to light the idiot lights until the starter was depressed again. I also thought it may be an interlock problem preventing the bike from starting. But that doesn't explain the fact that the idiot lights won't re-light. It gives the same effect of turning the key on and trying to start it with the kill switch off. And, yes I checked that. :-) Opinions, advice, comments? Thanks, chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---------- > From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.[SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 1998 12:03 PM > To: Morris Berman > Cc: Meier, Christopher; Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles > Subject: Re: RF electrical help needed > > Chris, > Decent supply shops should have battery testers which can instantly > tell > you whether the battery is good, even if largely discharged. You can > bring > in your dead battery, have it charged to as little as 10% of full, then > get > it tested. The old type required a full charge and took a bit of time to > complete. The new type is digital and (I think) alternately loads and > charges the battery and measures changes in voltage, taking only a few > seconds. > They should do it for free. > > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > "The more you live, the less you die." > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 13:14:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10402; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12334; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22462 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A91EB7025C; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:13:05 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980414125147.00f7f7d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:51:47 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: RF electrical help needed In-Reply-To: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BA8@xcgva001.grumman. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'd check ground connections (especially the battery ground cable and the coil mounting), the kill switch, the main fuse or fusible link, and the main connectors (which are probably located near the fusible link). Chris Norloff ****************************************************** At 12:26 PM 4/14/98 -0400, Meier, Christopher wrote: >New development ... > >I just got back from Cycle Sport. They load tested my battery and said it >was fine. I guess that's good, but I was hoping the fix would be as simple >as a new battery. > >So, now what? Shop guy recommended cleaning all the terminals and >connections to make sure that they are free of corrosion and try again. Use >the voltmeter to determine if there is a ground. > >Otherwise "bring it in and we'll have a look at it". Obviously, I'd rather >not $do that$, but I'm kinda at a loss as to what else to try. > >Major symptoms indicate it is the battery. >1) when I cleaned the corrosion off last night, the neutral and oil idiot >light would come on. >2) depress starter button and the lights go out, absolutely NOTHING happens. >it would not even turn the starter at all. also no popping sounds. >3) release the starter and the idiot lights do NOT re-light. >4)Turn key off and back on, ... nothing >5)come back a few hours later and repeat same process. indicating the >battery was to weak to crank the engine, but after it sat for a while, it >recovered enough of a charge to light the idiot lights until the starter was >depressed again. > >I also thought it may be an interlock problem preventing the bike from >starting. But that doesn't explain the fact that the idiot lights won't >re-light. It gives the same effect of turning the key on and trying to >start it with the kill switch off. And, yes I checked that. :-) > >Opinions, advice, comments? > >Thanks, >chris >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------- >Christopher A. Meier >meierch@XXXXXX >Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA >1994 RF900R AMA #470094 >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------- > > >> ---------- >> From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.[SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 1998 12:03 PM >> To: Morris Berman >> Cc: Meier, Christopher; Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles >> Subject: Re: RF electrical help needed >> >> Chris, >> Decent supply shops should have battery testers which can instantly >> tell >> you whether the battery is good, even if largely discharged. You can >> bring >> in your dead battery, have it charged to as little as 10% of full, then >> get >> it tested. The old type required a full charge and took a bit of time to >> complete. The new type is digital and (I think) alternately loads and >> charges the battery and measures changes in voltage, taking only a few >> seconds. >> They should do it for free. >> >> >> Harry >> Bethesda, MD >> '97 BMW R1100RT >> http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm >> "The more you live, the less you die." >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 14:42:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12871; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14238; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26137 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA07509; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:48:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:48:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Meier, Christopher" cc: "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: RF electrical help needed In-Reply-To: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BA8@xcgva001.grumman.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I agree with the Cycle Sport guy. You can also try another (known good) battery---occasionally I've had a battery test "good" but still be defective. But it sounds like a flaky connection to me. --garcia On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Meier, Christopher wrote: > New development ... > > I just got back from Cycle Sport. They load tested my battery and said it > was fine. I guess that's good, but I was hoping the fix would be as simple > as a new battery. > > So, now what? Shop guy recommended cleaning all the terminals and > connections to make sure that they are free of corrosion and try again. Use > the voltmeter to determine if there is a ground. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 14:47:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13162; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14553; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail1.geocities.com [209.1.224.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26618 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11466; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3533AE16.CBC4A979@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:42:30 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" CC: Todd Peer , tgimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles Subject: Re: Easter Ride (relatively long) References: <000201bd67c7$37373640$37163495@ztyrlik.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're right, Zbig... I remember now. 606 is also a really nice road. I thought it ended at a T and the number changed when youfollowed either fork on down to 50.... I've only been on it once with Mike jordan and it was nice. If you get motivated to put the route all together, I can post it with my other rides.. you've already done most of it in the original post. I can also link it to a pdf or delorma (never seen the output) file showing a pic of the route as well... http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ride.html -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 15:44:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14916; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16005; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail4.geocities.com [209.1.224.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29565 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18445; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3533BB71.2957EC34@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:39:29 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: "'dc-cycles'" , "'Suzuki List'" Subject: Re: RF electrical help needed References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BA4@xcgva001.grumman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, I'm really surprised that you're battery is dead after only two years. You ride year round, correct?? I could see maybe if it was parked for long periods, but a daily ridden battery lasts so much longer. My gixer's battery is still going strong (original 93 battery)... Although, now the bike is gone ;-) I've used it several times to start the race bike... although I'll be trading with mike for a shorter battery, as the 93 battery is too tall for the battery tray and impedes seat replacement. CT Meier, Christopher wrote: > The battery is about two years old (earlier than I would like to replace it, > but not too bad), so I will take it to the shop today and have it load > tested. I am fairly sure it is shot, however. > -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 16:32:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15648; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17158; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00834 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:30:37 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565E6.0070AB74 ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:30:39 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Askstephen@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565E6.00707361.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:30:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday 4/18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Anyone interested in joining me this Saturday - I'm riding out to Winchester Indian's Open House & Antique Bike Show. Intend to leave the Fairfax Silver Diner @ 10:00, take a couple of hours to ride out there via the back roads and arrive around 12:00. Hang around for a bit, see a few neat old Indian's, maybe test ride a Ural or two (with sidecars) and whatever else (probably a Moto Guzzi)? Let me know if your interested, regards...........Stephen Sounds like a good way to spend part of the day. Count me in dude. Thanks Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 19:24:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19585; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21738; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07037 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-118-152.s152.tnt13.brd.erols.com [207.172.118.152]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA12173 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3533B63D.E4FDF25C@erols.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:17:18 +0000 From: Alexander Bonilla X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 04/14/98 References: <199804142300.TAA21227@tove.cs.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am looking for a SLIP-ON, (a CHEAP one) for my CBR600F2-94, if someone knows where can I get a cheap one please let me know!!! ALEX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 22:39:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22012; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA03302; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1 (known smtp.snet.net [204.60.203.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11305 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daisy.snet.net (mail.snet.net [204.60.7.83]) by smtp1 (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNET-bmx-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA01176; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snet.net (hrfr03-sh18-port92.snet.net [204.60.12.92]) by daisy.snet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNET-pop-1.1) with ESMTP id WAA25812; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35341D3D.ED3671DF@snet.net> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:36:46 -0400 From: Glen Farney Reply-To: glen.farney@XXXXXX Organization: Ferret Association of Connecticut http://www.ferret-fact.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: "'dc-cycles'" , "'Suzuki List'" Subject: Re: RF electrical help needed References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BA4@xcgva001.grumman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit About 12 to 12.5 volts fully charged, with the bike off. Maybe 12.5 to 13 volts with the bike idling, And 13.5 to 14.5 (or even 15) when revved up would be about normal. Your mileage may vary Glen Meier, Christopher wrote: > All, > > Coming home yesterday, the RF died at a stop light. The 1 1/2 mile push > home was quite entertaining. :-) > > I think it is the battery. I pulled it apart on the side of the road and > knocked some corrosion off the battery's positive terminal. It made contact > and lit the idiot lights in the on position, but did not have enough juice > to even crank over the starter once. > > The battery is about two years old (earlier than I would like to replace it, > but not too bad), so I will take it to the shop today and have it load > tested. I am fairly sure it is shot, however. > > So, my question is, "what to do now"? I have access to a volt meter, and > after I get a new battery in it, what should I check to be sure there is > nothing else wrong with the bike, and that it is just a case of an old > battery? > > For example, what should the volts be off, and at idle? Should I check the > voltage at the alternator, starter, etc.? I am kind of electrically > challenged, but can handle using the volt meter ... I just don't know what > the readings should be and how to tell if all is well or not. > > Any help would be appreciated ... > > Thanks in advance, > chris > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 23:09:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22415; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03500; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11859 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <28N0KDGM>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:34:08 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: [Fwd: Need advice on a tire buy] Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:34:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I guess bike tires are alot different then cars tires in yet another aspect. With a car it OK to patch a high performance tire just don't plug them. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > At speeds like that I wouldn't even think of using a plugged or patched > tire. That's just asking for trouble. If you end up lying in a hospital > bed, you'll think the $150 you saved wasn't worth much. You might ask a > racer if they'd use a plugged tire. > > For ordinary speeds, the safe choice is to replace the tire, however, a lot > of people have ridden thousands of miles on plugged tires with no problem. > I had a tire with a slow leak but I could never find a hole. 8,000 miles > later when I changed the tire I found a headless nail in it - the hole had > closed up enough to be virtually invisible, but it could still leak air. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 23:24:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22528; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03606; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12061 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA19525 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35345236.78A0@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:22:46 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday 4/18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: sbeck@XXXXXX > Anyone interested in joining me this Saturday - I'm riding out to > Winchester Indian's Open House & Antique Bike Show. Intend to leave the > Fairfax Silver Diner @ 10:00, take a couple of hours to ride out there via > the back roads and arrive around 12:00. Hang around for a bit, see a few > neat old Indian's, maybe test ride a Ural or two (with sidecars) and > whatever else (probably a Moto Guzzi)? >> Let me know if your interested, regards...........Stephen > Sounds like a good way to spend part of the day. Count me in dude. That sounds like a plan Steve. I'll be at FSD with the little one riding pillion. I think she'd get a kick out of sitting in a sidecar. And I would LOVE to test ride that swe-e-e-e-t MG Sport 1100 they have there too ;^D -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 23:32:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22565; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03670; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (known m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12185 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA27059 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:08:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: Group Ride info.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just something cool I found whilest surfing the web... thought it pertained strongly to what we do here.. :) Arrive at a group ride ready to ride. This means with a full tank of gas, appropriate clothing for the weather, well-rested and fed, and a bike in safe operating condition. Riding is no fun if you are too hot or too cold, and your friends would rather ride than wrench on your bike or get gas for you. Make sure everyone is aware of the proposed route and extended stops (such as lunch, fuel, and sightseeing stops). It is always a good idea to prepare a map of the route with these stops indicated. The ride is self-paced, ride at a speed you feel comfortable with. No one should feel pressure to keep up with anyone else. In particular, no one will object to you riding as slowly as you wish. It is natural for people to feel they need to keep up with the rider ahead, however, riding outside their limits is the main reason riders get hurt! It is not the point of this ride to have someone get hurt. Ride in a staggered formation, with a minimum of two seconds between you and the rider directly in front of you. This allows you to use the entire lane to ride in and gives you an extra margin of safety. Ride your ride, not the rider's in front of you. Make sure you keep looking down the road and through the corners, not at the bike ahead of you. Set your own pace and choose your own lines through the corners. A group of motorcycles is not considered a "single vehicle!". Be courteous and allow cars to enter/exit a highway or change lanes. Make sure you let the riders behind you know what is going on (this also applies to other hazards, as well). At least one of the riders ahead of you (if any) will wait at every point where you might make a wrong turn. Similarly, you are expected to wait at intersections and other decision points until the person behind you (if any) shows up. Plan brief stops throughout the ride to let everyone regroup, make sure everyone is present, check gas supplies, and to allow for rests. If you decide to split off from the ride, make a reasonable attempt to alert the entire group to your departure; if regrouping does not happen soon enough for you, you must let at least one other person know you are leaving. Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 82 XT250 (street/dirt) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 01:08:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23940; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA05681; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13338 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.42] (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:05:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday 4/18 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 98 01:07:50 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Anyone interested in joining me this Saturday - I'm riding out to >Winchester Indian's Open House & Antique Bike Show. Intend to leave the >Fairfax Silver Diner @ 10:00, take a couple of hours to ride out there via >the back roads and arrive around 12:00. Hang around for a bit, see a few >neat old Indian's, maybe test ride a Ural or two (with sidecars) and >whatever else (probably a Moto Guzzi)? For that matter, Morton's BMW is having their open house this Saturday as well. Anybody else going down there? ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 08:10:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26969; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09822; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18641 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A367F200CE; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:09:11 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980415080029.00f6ed50@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:00:29 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: RF electrical help needed In-Reply-To: <3533BB71.2957EC34@geocities.com> References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BA4@xcgva001.grumman.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I envy you that you can get a battery to last that long. Batteries never make it three winters in my bikes, even with regular charging and riding during the winter. I think it's a combination of many things-- cold weather use (with electric vest), vibration, and small battery. To be honest, part of the problem might be maintenance. The idiots who designed my bike made it impossible to service the battery without removing it first. While it's not a big task, it's one more thing that tends to slip. I suspect my ancient 1982 charging system to be partly at fault, too -- I once boiled a battery dry on a 4,000 mile 3-week trip. It took me a while to find the problem because I knew I'd just serviced the battery so it "couldn't" be the problem. I also replace the battery the first time it poops out on me (after I clean all the connections, check the water, etc). I just can't stand an unreliable motor vehicle. Chris Norloff ******************************************** At 03:39 PM 4/14/98 -0400, Collin T. Fagan wrote: >Chris, >I'm really surprised that you're battery is dead after only two years. >You ride year round, correct?? I could see maybe if it was parked for >long periods, but a daily ridden battery lasts so much longer. >My gixer's battery is still going strong (original 93 battery)... >Although, now the bike is gone ;-) I've used it several times to start >the race bike... although I'll be trading with mike for a shorter >battery, as the 93 battery is too tall for the battery tray and impedes >seat replacement. >CT > >Meier, Christopher wrote: >> The battery is about two years old (earlier than I would like to replace it, >> but not too bad), so I will take it to the shop today and have it load >> tested. I am fairly sure it is shot, however. >> > >-- >Collin T. Fagan >(202) 366-0067 (work) >(703) 356-4279 (home) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 08:12:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26976; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09836; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18684 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-20.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.61]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA25092; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:10:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bd6867$a07b5780$3d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Web site address or 800 # for MSF Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:11:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Try 800 447 4700 (Irvine, CA office); 800 446-9227 (nat'l course inquiries). Local courses -- 703 845 6240 (NoVaCommColl-Alex). Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- >Hi. >Does anyone have the website address or 800 number for the Motorcycle >Safety Foundation? > >Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 08:27:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27075; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09979; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (known sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18903 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA19659 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xcgca007.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.78]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA19450 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGCA007 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <2LQQJP8Y>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:24:42 -0700 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BB0@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'Chris Norloff'" Subject: RE: RF electrical help needed Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:24:39 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain I agree, chris. Unreliability is a major issue for me. I can't explain the long battery life Collin has (and I am apparently getting). Mine tested not only fine, but strong and healthy at both Cycle Sport and Crossroads cycle (I wanted a second opinion). I too, ride year round and run electrics off of it. BTW, Thanks to everyone for all the advice on the RF. I cleaned a few connections again, and all is fine. It ran well on the way to the office this am. I will give it a few checks with the volt meter this evening to be sure all is well, but at this point I suspect it was just corrosion or dirty connections. Either that, or this is proof that my bike is female, and I should give up all hope of really understanding what it does from time to time. :-) --chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 8:00 AM > To: 'dc-cycles' > Subject: Re: RF electrical help needed > > I envy you that you can get a battery to last that long. Batteries > never > make it three winters in my bikes, even with regular charging and > riding > during the winter. > > I think it's a combination of many things-- cold weather use (with > electric > vest), vibration, and small battery. To be honest, part of the > problem > might be maintenance. The idiots who designed my bike made it > impossible > to service the battery without removing it first. While it's not a > big > task, it's one more thing that tends to slip. I suspect my ancient > 1982 > charging system to be partly at fault, too -- I once boiled a battery > dry > on a 4,000 mile 3-week trip. It took me a while to find the problem > because I knew I'd just serviced the battery so it "couldn't" be the > problem. > > I also replace the battery the first time it poops out on me (after I > clean > all the connections, check the water, etc). I just can't stand an > unreliable motor vehicle. > > Chris Norloff > > > ******************************************** > At 03:39 PM 4/14/98 -0400, Collin T. Fagan wrote: > >Chris, > >I'm really surprised that you're battery is dead after only two > years. > >You ride year round, correct?? I could see maybe if it was parked > for > >long periods, but a daily ridden battery lasts so much longer. > >My gixer's battery is still going strong (original 93 battery)... > >Although, now the bike is gone ;-) I've used it several times to > start > >the race bike... although I'll be trading with mike for a shorter > >battery, as the 93 battery is too tall for the battery tray and > impedes > >seat replacement. > >CT > > > >Meier, Christopher wrote: > >> The battery is about two years old (earlier than I would like to > replace > it, > >> but not too bad), so I will take it to the shop today and have it > load > >> tested. I am fairly sure it is shot, however. > >> > > > >-- > >Collin T. Fagan > >(202) 366-0067 (work) > >(703) 356-4279 (home) > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 09:09:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27514; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10460; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19800 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-20.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.61]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA26250 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:08:22 -0400 Message-ID: <00d001bd686f$b89d0a40$3d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Parking in NY City. Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:08:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 From: Todd Peer snip >I'll be tooling up to NYC from Washington, DC this Friday and need >some advice on security. snip> >From older files -- no guarantees -- NEW YORK CITY MOTORCYCLISTS MAILING LIST * Where are the cool roads in the NYC area? * Any rides this weekend? * Where can I find a decent [shop][garage][dealer]? To join, send email to majordomo@XXXXXX and include the following in the message text: subscribe nyc-moto-digest ************************************************** ** Also, visit the NYC Motorcyclists WWW Page ** ** ** ** http://www.magpie.com/nycmoto ** ************************************************** Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 09:10:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27524; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10464; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19819 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yPRvt-0007Bg-00; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:08:57 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:06:51 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E5EA@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Pictures of Our Trip... Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:08:35 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hey, everyone, John Kozyn was nice enough to help me out immensely in posting pictures of our trip to Cape Charles. Check it out... : ) Thanks again, John!! - Jeannette > http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/tj/tj.htm> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 09:10:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27541; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10477; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19835 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-20.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.61]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA26284 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:09:38 -0400 Message-ID: <00d501bd686f$e5c20c00$3d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Parking in NY City. Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:10:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 From: Todd Peer snip >I'll be tooling up to NYC from Washington, DC this Friday and need >some advice on security. snip> >From older files -- no guarantees -- NEW YORK CITY MOTORCYCLISTS MAILING LIST * Where are the cool roads in the NYC area? * Any rides this weekend? * Where can I find a decent [shop][garage][dealer]? To join, send email to majordomo@XXXXXX and include the following in the message text: subscribe nyc-moto-digest ************************************************** ** Also, visit the NYC Motorcyclists WWW Page ** ** ** ** http://www.magpie.com/nycmoto ** ************************************************** Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 09:11:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27556; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10495; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19852 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A1C3A2007E; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:10:27 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980415091150.00f31100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:11:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: http://www.IhadsexwithClinton.com/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, fellow DC denizens, it's finally here-- http://www.IhadsexwithClinton.com/ Just say you did it on a motorcycle, so I can pretend this message has something to do with motorcycles. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 09:38:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27907; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10827; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20371 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA16230; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:36:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA04470; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980415133647.ZXFM500@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:36:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Pictures of Our Trip... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980415133647.ZXFM500@[166.41.242.141]> I especially like that first picture of Jeannette, with the 'dip' sign behind her :p Todd >Hey, everyone, John Kozyn was nice enough to help me out immensely in >posting pictures of our trip to Cape Charles. >Check it out... : ) > >Thanks again, John!! > >- Jeannette > >> http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/tj/tj.htm> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 09:39:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27922; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10945; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20387 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yPSOE-0001Qd-00; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:38:14 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:36:06 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E5EE@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Pictures of Our Trip... Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:37:49 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, I couldn't help but notice that. Geez, I was hoping no one else would notice!! ; ) > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 9:30 AM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: Pictures of Our Trip... > > > I especially like that first picture of Jeannette, with the 'dip' sign > behind her :p > > Todd > > >Hey, everyone, John Kozyn was nice enough to help me out immensely in > >posting pictures of our trip to Cape Charles. > >Check it out... : ) > > > >Thanks again, John!! > > > >- Jeannette > > > >> http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/tj/tj.htm> > >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 10:27:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28835; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12352; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22245 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA05608; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA08095; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA11316; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:25:04 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA11313; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:25:03 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD683F.99C4C5C0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:25:00 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Rides this Saturday & Sunday Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:20:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 48 TEXT, 75 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 FYI from NOVA MGR * Saturday, April 18 is the ABATE Spring Poker Run. * Sunday, April 19 is the first NOVA MGR Skyline Ride of the year. Here are the invitations for each: Saturday - ABATE (Old Dominion Chapter) Spring Poker Run: > Meeting Place - Pan Am shopping center in Fairfax at the McDonald's > Time - 9:30am > Details - To participate in ABATE's poker run you will need to pay $10 at registration. AMA members receive $1 off when displaying their membership card. If you are not interested in hanging out with us at McDonald's for breakfast, we will be leaving around 10am to the nearby start of ABATE's poker run. Rain date is the following Saturday. The total mileage on ABATE poker runs is typically less than 150 miles and includes gas stops. For more details, send an Email to Novamgr@XXXXXX Sunday - NOVA MGR Skyline Ride > Meeting Place - Old Country Buffet in Manassas > Time - 8:30am > Details - Meet for an all-you-can-eat breakfast buffet, which will cost about $6.50. If you are not interested in having breakfast with the group, we plan to leave around 9:30am. I highly recommend eating a large breakfast since the official lunch stop isn't until around 2:30pm. The ride heads south to the end of route 28 before heading south past Culpepper on 29. We take some back roads at that point and the first break is in Stanardsville at the Dairy Queen and gas station around 11am. You can grab a quick snack or top off your gas tank. Next, we take some nice twisty and very rural back roads for about 40 miles to the southern entrance of Skyline Drive, where we will break again for gas. Total miles traveled at this point in the ride is nearly 100. The entrance fee for Skyline Drive is $5.00 for bikes. They accept cash or credit cards. We will stop at a few scenic overlooks before lunch, which is at Big Meadows. We continue on to exit the Drive after 70 miles at the famous route 211. After 211 straightens back out, we make our final stop for gas. Then, we make our way back to route 66 in Gainesville where most riders begin to split off for home. 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I came across the following vehicle offered for sale. Any thoughts about the model? Does it have any unusual problems? Sound like a good price? Mark DUCATI Paso 750, 1987 Red, very good condition, only 5K mi., new Michelins, just purchased new Ducati, can't keep two. Asking $3,500 obo, NYCity The Paso is a "sport tourer" which was originally produced in 1987. Personally, I think it is one of the best looking Ducatis made (which is why I purchased it in the first place). It has all-encompassing fiberglass bodywork, incoporated side-view mirrors, solid windscreen, and single headlight. It's powered by a desmo-twin Pantah engine, but its fuel system uses a Weber carb (which is unique to the 750 Paso, I believe). It has only 5K miles as I stored it in California for over 5 years (I am the original owner). Everything on it is stock. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 12:52:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00868; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18701; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov (known gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov [130.14.71.63]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27982 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:50:32 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:50:07 -0400 From: Sandy Triolo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Curious about a Ducati I got to almost ride one of these, it was having a battery problem at the time and then got sold before I got my ride. BUT the thing that struck me was how beautiful it was, I couldn't believe it was a 1987 bike. Very pretty and yes the bodywork is all-encompassing, it is a sweet looking machine. The one I saw got shipped to CA. it was selling for a little less but had 11,000 mile on it. Someone said they would be riding to a conference at NIH this week and there is a Kaw concours (i think) parked in my building I was wondering if it is the guy from the list. I parked the Virago right behind it. : ) Sandy 90 Virago 1100 - aka -shiny 87 Hurricane 600 - aka - hurry triolos@XXXXXX >>> MARKSOMM 04/15 12:29 PM >>> Dear Listers, I've got my eye out for a bike that is a little less "classic" than my '81 GPz 550. I came across the following vehicle offered for sale. Any thoughts about the model? Does it have any unusual problems? Sound like a good price? Mark DUCATI Paso 750, 1987 Red, very good condition, only 5K mi., new Michelins, just purchased new Ducati, can't keep two. Asking $3,500 obo, NYCity The Paso is a "sport tourer" which was originally produced in 1987. Personally, I think it is one of the best looking Ducatis made (which is why I purchased it in the first place). It has all-encompassing fiberglass bodywork, incoporated side-view mirrors, solid windscreen, and single headlight. It's powered by a desmo-twin Pantah engine, but its fuel system uses a Weber carb (which is unique to the 750 Paso, I believe). It has only 5K miles as I stored it in California for over 5 years (I am the original owner). Everything on it is stock. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 12:54:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00927; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19122; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28172 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804151652.MAA28172@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id 2047X046; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:02:42 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:51:20 -0400 To: From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Rides this Saturday & Sunday In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:20 AM 4/15/98 -0700, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: >Sunday - NOVA MGR Skyline Ride >> Meeting Place - Old Country Buffet in Manassas >> Time - 8:30am I'm thinking about doing the Sunday "Skyline" ride... anyone else from the list going? Be nice to see some familiar faces (& bikes!). Anita '95 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 13:06:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01191; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19488; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28695 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yPVcy-0003T2-00; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:05:40 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:03:22 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E60A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Anita Lauro'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rides this Saturday & Sunday Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:05:17 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Tom and I are planning on being there, too. It'll be nice to see you again, Anita. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:2xracers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 12:51 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Rides this Saturday & Sunday > > At 07:20 AM 4/15/98 -0700, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > > >Sunday - NOVA MGR Skyline Ride > >> Meeting Place - Old Country Buffet in Manassas > >> Time - 8:30am > > I'm thinking about doing the Sunday "Skyline" ride... anyone else from > the > list going? Be nice to see some familiar faces (& bikes!). > > Anita > '95 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 13:40:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01700; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20212; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29744 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 268; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:38:15 -0400 Message-ID: <3534F0CC.6991F0BA@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:39:24 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Meier, Christopher" , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Female Bikes References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BB0@xcgva001.grumman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Meier, Christopher wrote: > > > Either that, or this is proof that my bike is female, and I should give > up all hope of really understanding what it does from time to time. :-) > I have yet to meet a male bike, they would be so simple to work on. Give it a beer, watch a race/game on tv, go ride. Nope. All bikes have got to be female. It figures, too. :-) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours (Tracy doesn't want me to name her) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 14:01:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02085; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20349; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00414 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A593E001DC; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:59:47 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980415135931.00fab760@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:59:31 -0400 To: MARKSOMM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Curious about a Ducati In-Reply-To: <974876d1.3534e07d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It depends on what you want in a bike, and how you want to take care or it. Ducati's are incredible bikes, with performance and handling that are unmatched. They are also Italian, which to me generally means they need more attention and are meant to be used and enjoyed by an enthusiast. Me, I want a commuter. I think the red would probably attract speeding tickets and thieves. And where do you get parts? Is there service nearby? Can anyone work on it or do service shops hire someone named Giovanni? Me, I like a mainstream bike, with lots of parts and service available. I don't want a bike that attracts attention, and I don't want to have a heart attack everytime the bike falls over (I seem to average one tipover per year - that can "total" a plastic bike or a beautiful bike like a Ducati). You make you choice and you pay your money, Chris Norloff **************************************************** At 12:29 PM 4/15/98 EDT, MARKSOMM wrote: >Dear Listers, > >I've got my eye out for a bike that is a little less "classic" than my '81 GPz >550. I came across the following vehicle offered for sale. Any thoughts >about the model? Does it have any unusual problems? Sound like a good price? > >Mark > >DUCATI Paso 750, 1987 >Red, very good condition, only 5K mi., new Michelins, just purchased new >Ducati, can't keep two. Asking $3,500 obo, NYCity >The Paso is a "sport tourer" which was originally produced in 1987. >Personally, I think it is one of the best looking Ducatis made (which is why I >purchased it in the first place). It has all-encompassing fiberglass >bodywork, >incoporated side-view mirrors, solid windscreen, and single headlight. It's >powered by a desmo-twin Pantah engine, but its fuel system uses a Weber carb >(which is unique to the 750 Paso, I believe). It has only 5K miles as I >stored it in >California for over 5 years (I am the original owner). Everything on it is >stock. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 14:03:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02106; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20390; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com (known ngedns.northgrum.com [192.86.71.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00467 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgny003.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.161]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA09621 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGNY003 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2TMD28J6>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:00:57 -0400 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BBE@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: You'll love this one ... Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:00:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain QUOTE OF THE DAY from metro in Brief Section, Pg B3 of today's Washington Post "Putting on makeup is not any different from dialing a number on your cell phone, lighting a cigarette, changing radio stations or drinking a cup of coffee. I don't understand why it is construed as reckless." -- Valerie Nordstrom, after being fined $25 for applying mascara while she was driving on Interstate 95 in rush hour. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 14:07:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02193; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20446; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00603 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id LAA03824; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id LAA14731; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA24278; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:06:07 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA24272; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:06:06 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD685E.7A54E340@XXXXXX>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:06:02 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'horkster'" , "'Meier, Christopher'" , "'DC Cycles List'" Subject: RE: Female Bikes Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:01:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 30 TEXT They must be female because of how much you guys love them so much!! Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: horkster [SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 10:39 AM >To: Meier, Christopher; DC Cycles List >Subject: Re: Female Bikes > >Meier, Christopher wrote: >> >> >> Either that, or this is proof that my bike is female, and I should give >> up all hope of really understanding what it does from time to time. :-) >> > >I have yet to meet a male bike, they would be so simple to >work on. Give it a beer, watch a race/game on tv, go ride. > >Nope. All bikes have got to be female. It figures, too. :-) > >-- > >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX > >1998 Kawasaki Concours (Tracy doesn't want me to name her) >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 14:39:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02700; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20691; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01672 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD687B.DCEE6900@XXXXXX>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:36:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:36:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 27 TEXT But you know she's right......................... ---------- From: Meier, Christopher[SMTP:MEIERCH@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 2:00 PM To: 'dc-cycles' Subject: You'll love this one ... QUOTE OF THE DAY from metro in Brief Section, Pg B3 of today's Washington Post "Putting on makeup is not any different from dialing a number on your cell phone, lighting a cigarette, changing radio stations or drinking a cup of coffee. I don't understand why it is construed as reckless." -- Valerie Nordstrom, after being fined $25 for applying mascara while she was driving on Interstate 95 in rush hour. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 14:41:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02726; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20711; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01725 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD687C.22C2FF40@XXXXXX>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:38:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: Female Bikes Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:38:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 28 TEXT Only a man would have to give inanimate objects human characteristics.................. ---------- From: horkster[SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 1:39 PM To: Meier, Christopher; DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Female Bikes Meier, Christopher wrote: > > > Either that, or this is proof that my bike is female, and I should give > up all hope of really understanding what it does from time to time. :-) > I have yet to meet a male bike, they would be so simple to work on. Give it a beer, watch a race/game on tv, go ride. Nope. All bikes have got to be female. It figures, too. :-) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours (Tracy doesn't want me to name her) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 15:16:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03369; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21631; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02922 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yPXe3-0007BV-00; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:14:55 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:12:35 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E610@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Meier, Christopher'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:14:30 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Did she get a ticket for being stupid, too? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Meier, Christopher [SMTP:MEIERCH@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 2:01 PM > To: 'dc-cycles' > Subject: You'll love this one ... > > QUOTE OF THE DAY from metro in Brief Section, Pg B3 of today's > Washington > Post > > "Putting on makeup is not any different from dialing a number on your > cell > phone, lighting a cigarette, changing radio stations or drinking a cup > of > coffee. I don't understand why it is construed as reckless." > > -- Valerie Nordstrom, after being fined $25 for applying mascara while > she > was driving on Interstate 95 in rush hour. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > -------- > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > -------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 15:18:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03402; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21841; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com (known ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com [162.70.34.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02995 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:17:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 852565E7.0069B340 ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:14:31 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565E7.0069EA3C.00@ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:19:00 -0400 Subject: RE: Female Bikes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=YCCPJx27sqlkLMTvHSrzO4ezc6Yq4rZ86l7j1n44atUQ6eZIasgcc2QY" --0__=YCCPJx27sqlkLMTvHSrzO4ezc6Yq4rZ86l7j1n44atUQ6eZIasgcc2QY Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It all starts when you're a kid and you think all your toys are alive...nothing changes over the years but the amount of $$$ spent on the "toys" ;-) Lovin' my toys, -Doug 74 superbeetle 69 squareback 81 GS 750L various camera toys etc, etc, etc :-P (Embedded image moved tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX to file: 04/15/98 02:38 PM PIC30619.PCX) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: RE: Female Bikes Only a man would have to give inanimate objects human characteristics.................. ---------- From: horkster[SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 1:39 PM To: Meier, Christopher; DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Female Bikes Meier, Christopher wrote: > > > Either that, or this is proof that my bike is female, and I should give > up all hope of really understanding what it does from time to time. :-) > I have yet to meet a male bike, they would be so simple to work on. Give it a beer, watch a race/game on tv, go ride. Nope. All bikes have got to be female. 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Coleman" Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852565E7.00657795.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My all-time favorite sighting of inappropriate driving behavior was the woman eating a SALAD while driving down I-270 at about 65mph. I kid you not! She had the salad container (one of those clear plastic, flip top containers like they have at Giant's salad bar) in her right hand and the fork in her left hand. She was (sort of) holding the steering wheel with her right hand while she was shoveling salad into her mouth. Putting on makeup, or whatever, pales in comparsion... Regards, Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 15:21:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03485; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21952; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03131 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA16370; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA28486; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980415191958.HCDW5955@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:19:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: CC: Subject: RE: Female Bikes X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980415191958.HCDW5955@[166.41.242.141]> I'm thinking....saline, silicone(?), but not preferring it. Besides, a motorcycle is something you ride, right? >;) ___________________ Only a man would have to give inanimate objects human characteristics.................. ---------- From: horkster[SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 1:39 PM To: Meier, Christopher; DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Female Bikes Meier, Christopher wrote: > > > Either that, or this is proof that my bike is female, and I should give > up all hope of really understanding what it does from time to time. :-) > I have yet to meet a male bike, they would be so simple to work on. Give it a beer, watch a race/game on tv, go ride. Nope. All bikes have got to be female. It figures, too. :-) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours (Tracy doesn't want me to name her) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 15:42:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04196; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22445; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04363 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yPY3w-00025m-00; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:41:40 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:39:21 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E615@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Female Bikes Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:41:16 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I've named mine, though, & she's female... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 2:38 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Female Bikes > > Only a man would have to give inanimate objects human > characteristics.................. > > ---------- > From: horkster[SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 1:39 PM > To: Meier, Christopher; DC Cycles List > Subject: Re: Female Bikes > > Meier, Christopher wrote: > > > > > > Either that, or this is proof that my bike is female, and I should > give > > up all hope of really understanding what it does from time to time. > :-) > > > > I have yet to meet a male bike, they would be so simple to > work on. Give it a beer, watch a race/game on tv, go ride. > > Nope. All bikes have got to be female. It figures, too. :-) > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours (Tracy doesn't want me to name her) > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 15:43:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04217; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22451; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04370 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA26732 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA26789 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:41:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980415194126.HKVV5955@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:41:26 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:41:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bd68a6$783d8740$3b5420a6@LJTanner.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E610@badge.tuckerflyer.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Unfortunately, stupidity is not illegal... LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [mailto:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 3:15 PM To: 'Meier, Christopher'; 'dc-cycles' Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... Did she get a ticket for being stupid, too? - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 15:52:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04299; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22608; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04692 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 321; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:50:06 -0400 Message-ID: <35350FB6.44417C77@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:51:18 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Perry D. Coleman" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: stupid cager tricks... References: <852565E7.00657795.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perry D. Coleman wrote: > > My all-time favorite sighting of inappropriate driving behavior was the > woman eating a SALAD while driving down I-270 at about 65mph. Mine's a tossup. Saw an older guy once in a Volvo buzzing down the PW Parkway with a newspaper lain across the steering wheel. He was reading and going about 60 or so. I passed him rather quickly and didn't slow down for quite a while. The other one was also on the PW parkway. Saw a short guy in a power business clothes, bright suspenders, the works, driving a nice Porsche 911 convertible. He was all over his lane, at first I thought he was drunk. But it was 8:30 am. It turns out he was talking on a cell phone on one hand, and then every 15 seconds or so his other hand would appear with a hairbrush, and he'd be brushing his hair. Realize that he was IN A FREAKIN CONVERTIBLE WITH THE TOP DOWN MOVING ALONG AT 50-60 MPH, and he's continuously brushing his hair as he goes along!!! For cripe's sake, brush it when you get wherever you are going already. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 16:22:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04748; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24345; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com (known ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com [162.70.34.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05487 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:20:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 852565E7.006F7065 ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:17:12 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565E7.006F8273.00@ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:21:59 -0400 Subject: RE: Female Bikes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=jmcd5dKQsUNkn5p1df7nPWZ8QeuvGLWBlZSJ44ZQC4sM3V3t8eu0SN5X" --0__=jmcd5dKQsUNkn5p1df7nPWZ8QeuvGLWBlZSJ44ZQC4sM3V3t8eu0SN5X Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the squareback is a Volkswagen station wagen...engine in the back under the deck, but it still has a hatchback and all the storage in the trunk...2 door. Pretty cool vehicle for a cage (I guess I'm pretty rooted in 4 wheel transportation...guess it adds to my squid score, huh?). I was really surprised when I got into motorcycling how much more the parts cost (compared to VW parts). I think I need a few moneypits at any given time, or I don't feel fulfilled ;-) -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (Embedded image moved "Clements, Curtis A" to file: 04/15/98 03:36 PM PIC16690.PCX) To: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC cc: Subject: RE: Female Bikes What is a 69 squareback? >-----Original Message----- >From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX >[SMTP:Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 3:19 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Female Bikes > >It all starts when you're a kid and you think all your toys are >alive...nothing changes over the years but the amount of $$$ spent on >the >"toys" ;-) > >Lovin' my toys, >-Doug >74 superbeetle >69 squareback >81 GS 750L >various camera toys >etc, etc, etc :-P > > > > > > (Embedded > image moved tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX > to file: 04/15/98 02:38 PM > PIC30619.PCX) > > > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) >Subject: RE: Female Bikes > > > > >Only a man would have to give inanimate objects human >characteristics.................. >---------- >From: horkster[SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 1:39 PM >To: Meier, Christopher; DC Cycles List >Subject: Re: Female Bikes >Meier, Christopher wrote: >> >> >> Either that, or this is proof that my bike is female, and I should give >> up all hope of really understanding what it does from time to time. :-) >> >I have yet to meet a male bike, they would be so simple to >work on. Give it a beer, watch a race/game on tv, go ride. >Nope. All bikes have got to be female. 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I didn't give them these human characteristics, they both exhibited those characteristics for the entire time they owned me. The Ninja 250 is probably female, but I think that when the previous owner set her up for racing, he probably spayed her which is why I can't tell for sure. Leon. tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Only a man would have to give inanimate objects human characteristics.................. > > ---------- > From: horkster[SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 1:39 PM > To: Meier, Christopher; DC Cycles List > Subject: Re: Female Bikes > > Meier, Christopher wrote: > > > > > > Either that, or this is proof that my bike is female, and I should give > > up all hope of really understanding what it does from time to time. :-) > > > > I have yet to meet a male bike, they would be so simple to > work on. Give it a beer, watch a race/game on tv, go ride. > > Nope. All bikes have got to be female. It figures, too. :-) > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours (Tracy doesn't want me to name her) > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 16:47:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05139; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25004; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06321 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p200.smart.net [206.97.127.200]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29804 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:45:54 -0400 Message-ID: <35351B6E.35417F85@smart.net> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:41:19 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... References: <852565E7.00657795.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perry D. Coleman wrote: > My all-time favorite sighting of inappropriate driving behavior was the > woman eating a SALAD while driving down I-270 at about 65mph. I saw a guy last week on 270 just south of Frederick who was cruising along at about 85 mph while allowing his 3 or 4 year old son (I assume) steer the car while in his lap. Never mind the laws regarding child seats and seat belts..... -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 17:11:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA05539; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25944; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06937 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 317; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:08:42 -0400 Message-ID: <35352223.12571341@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:09:55 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linda Tanner CC: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... References: <000d01bd68a6$783d8740$3b5420a6@LJTanner.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda Tanner wrote: > > Unfortunately, stupidity is not illegal... > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze > And from what I can determine, it's not even rare! :-) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 15 17:19:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA05677; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26210; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07229 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-181.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.181]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA30056 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:22:39 -0400 Message-ID: <353523E4.A077E85D@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:17:24 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E610@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nowwaitaminutehere . . . Being stupid isn't and shouldn't be illegal. Stupidity should only be punished when stupid acts CAUSE harm (physical or financial) to OTHER people. If she wasn't involved in an accident, she shouldn't have been ticketed. Leon. O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Did she get a ticket for being stupid, too? > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Meier, Christopher [SMTP:MEIERCH@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 2:01 PM > > To: 'dc-cycles' > > Subject: You'll love this one ... > > > > QUOTE OF THE DAY from metro in Brief Section, Pg B3 of today's > > Washington > > Post > > > > "Putting on makeup is not any different from dialing a number on your > > cell > > phone, lighting a cigarette, changing radio stations or drinking a cup > > of > > coffee. I don't understand why it is construed as reckless." > > > > -- Valerie Nordstrom, after being fined $25 for applying mascara while > > she > > was driving on Interstate 95 in rush hour. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > -------- > > Christopher A. Meier > > meierch@XXXXXX > > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > -------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 12:54:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19857; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14966; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail1.geocities.com [209.1.224.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01565 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAB23839 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <353636E8.AC74A32A@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:50:48 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: some nice links for lunchtime viewing... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit or anytime else that you want to waste a little company time :) World Superbike: http://www.superbike.it/ FIM World GP: http://www.dorna.com (click on the bike image) The second one was posted a while back, but it was sorta buried within a speedvision email.. -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:32:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22391; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13095; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.worldbank.org (known smtp02.worldbank.org [138.220.3.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29046 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org ([138.220.29.7]) by worldbank.org (PMDF V5.1-8 #16195) with SMTP id <01IVXOJA0EWU9N4Y9S@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:21:00 EDT Received: by WBLN0014.worldbank.org(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.1.03 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:19:06 -0400 From: "Perry D. Coleman" Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852565E8.0053C56E.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii SackcoD@XXXXXX wrote: >Salad eating is extreme, I think my sighting might surpass even that: > >Morning rush hour, I-495 outer loop between River Road and the Cabin John >Bridge, a man eating noodle soup with chop-sticks. As soon as I realized what >he was doing it used the throttle to put a lot of bumpers between him and me. > >--Dave Yeah. I'd say that that eating noodle soup is even worse! I would also agree with your reaction - as that was mine when I saw the salad eater... ;^) Regards, Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22472; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12990; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28860 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 493; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:07:18 -0400 Message-ID: <35362CFC.B5BF9233@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:08:28 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: "We need CB's for these bikes." References: <35361740.DD129FA4@tidalwave.net> <35362135.B9194B1D@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > > I use a J&M personal audio-pak with a Radio Shack hand-held CB. It's > still working just fine after almost a year and about 30K miles. That's sort of along the lines of what I was thinking. The father-in-law's van, and cage have cb's, and hopefully our cage (the dc-cycles chase cage) will have a cb installed shortly, too. It would be nice to talk bike-to-cage as well as bike-to-bike. I know that setup isn't really cheap, but I want something that will hold up, and has a range somewhat greater than spitting distance. I might come over some time and ask you lots of stupid questions about your setup, if you don't mind. :-) It's all kind of funny, since I secretly wanted to get cb's all along, and now the wife thinks it's *her* idea! Oh well, I get less grief for spending money that way. :-) Gotta love it! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster - I've already got my CB handle, too!) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22478; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12768; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28407 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id 2TPKa12206; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:54:40 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: <8a527892.353629c1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:54:40 EDT To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-04-16 10:43:29 EDT, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > DWO????? > What does this stand for? Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22480; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12393; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27726 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA29236 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:37:58 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:37:58 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: "We need CB's for these bikes." (Long) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:40:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 16 TEXT >So now I am left pondering the greater meaning of all this. >(And possibly drooling over some kickass mobile cb radio setups, >stay tuned. :-) Dale, I've got a Chatterbox (hardly used) that I'll make ya a deal on I decided that what I REALLY liked about riding was the relative silence and solitude - the radio took that away. - anyhoo - I have this Chatterbox HJC-80 sitting in its original packaging in my office that I'm willing to deal on. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22483; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12475; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27851 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (pool-207-205-218-103.pitb.grid.net [207.205.218.103]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA27854; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980416114410.0069adec@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:44:10 -0400 To: "horkster" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: "We need CB's for these bikes." Cc: DC Cycles List In-Reply-To: <35361740.DD129FA4@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dale, I've been very pleased with my CB hookup. I use a handheld Cobra which also has weatherbands. It straps beautifully to my handlebars and is interfaced with my Autocom system so transmitting is voice activated (see http://www.greenspun.com/harry/gear.htm). When I get off the bike, I can stick it in the fairing pocket. It came in very handy on my trip to Asheville and Deal's Gap. However, the range and clarity of CBs isn't great so if you want to communicate from bike to bike on a regular basis, you might consider going with a Motorola FRC radio. J&M sells a standalone system for handhelds which includes helmet speakers and mounting equipment. Although not as expensive, it's not as useful or expandable (i.e., adding music, radar detector, intercom, etc.) as the Autocom system. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22486; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12274; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27252 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12947; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35362360.CFC331C8@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:27:28 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E610@badge.tuckerflyer.com> <3.0.1.32.19980416080941.00f78740@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So basically you're saying that if I were caught doing triple digits on a rural stretch of interstate with no one else around (except the cop that catches me) I should only be fined for speeding rather than getting the automatic reckless charge.... balogna... I say raise the fines to where they actually make the people think about it (less than $100 is nothing for the metro area types) and start busting the cell phone talking, paper reading, makeup apllicating, and whatever else.. oh yeah.. HOV violaters.. they should make that a real fine like $1k or more.. then they'd think about it... And along those lines, if I were a cop (good thing I'm not) I'd have no mercy for the parents that are neatly seatbelted in the front, while the children are bouncing all over the rest of the car... Collin ps: can ya tell I have a few pet pieves about living near the city :) > If she wasn't involved in an accident, > >she shouldn't have been ticketed. -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22489; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12887; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28634 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 482; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:00:44 -0400 Message-ID: <35362B72.BF2095C9@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:01:54 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan, Michael" CC: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Re: "We need CB's for these bikes." References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jordan, Michael wrote: > > >So now I am left pondering the greater meaning of all this. > >(And possibly drooling over some kickass mobile cb radio setups, > >stay tuned. :-) > > Dale, > > I've got a Chatterbox (hardly used) that I'll make ya a deal on > > I decided that what I REALLY liked about riding was the relative silence > and solitude I can heartily agree with the silence and solitude part, I'm a hermit wannabe sometimes anyway, but I have my personable moments! :-) I've thought about the Chatterbox-type systems, but I really think a cb would be better served for us, we've got friends and family, etc. with cb's, and it would be nice to insult their cages as we all rode along, you know! :-) Both Tracy and I grew up in households that used cb's in PA, so I'm comfortable with the trucker's lingo and such, they would be pretty useful on the open road, deal's gap with Leon, etc., etc. So I guess it's a cb or nothing for us, but thanks, anyway Mike! Maybe someone else on the list is interested? Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22492; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12175; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26879 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-181.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.181]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA22627 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:23:35 -0400 Message-ID: <35362135.B9194B1D@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:18:13 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: "We need CB's for these bikes." (Long) References: <35361740.DD129FA4@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You do indeed need CB's for those bikes. There are two kinds. Expensive ones that work for a long time and cheap ones that sometimes work. I broke a J&M setup once, but it took 3 years and 60K miles, and for $50 they were able to fix it. The Walmart CBs that I wired up never lasted more than about 10K miles. It might be possible to do it better, but I wasn't able to make it work. I use a J&M personal audio-pak with a Radio Shack hand-held CB. It's still working just fine after almost a year and about 30K miles. I haven't tried them but the RKA/Cyclecomm setups would probably also work well on a bike. Leon. horkster wrote: > > Tracy needed directions to the Fairfax Cnty Parkway > this morning, she had to go to Reston this morning for > work. Sensing an opportunity to do some twisty riding > I volunteered to escort her. Heh, heh, heh, I didn't > plan on taking the direct route either! :-) Over the > river and through the woods, to the town of Clifton our > two bikes go. There's a 15 mile stretch of sanity in > these backroads that I find very therapeutic, but I usually > reserve that sort of fun for the commute home from work. :-) > > Anyway, after finding the Parkway just where I left it last > night, I pulled up beside her at a stop light (somehow she > got past me, musta been that guy on a Magna that I was > talking to at the last stoplight...) and she flipped up > her visor and uttered the ominous quote in the subject line: > "We need CB's for these bikes." > > Uh oh! WhatdidIdonow? Through the wonders of modern > technology her Shoei full face masked almost all of her > facial expressions and most of her voice inflections. Was > she mad at me for scraping pegs back there? Or mad that I > got so far ahead of her at times? (I slowed down once her > headlight disappeared...:-) > > I shuddered at the visions of that special little voice > (and guys with SWMBO's, you know what I'm talking about) > coming over the radio: "Slow Down!", "You're going too fast", > "I can't keep up", "Quit staring at those lady joggers!" :-) > Would these stock phrases now invading my peaceful quiet > contemplations on two wheels? Did the wife merely want to nag > me whilst I rode? Augggghhhh! Best not to think > about such things until I know for sure. > > Or maybe, just maybe, did she miss the pleasant, witty repartee we > usually share when trapped in the cage together? :-) Yeah, maybe > she just wanted pleasant conversation while I showed her the joys > of curvy pavement! I can only hope! :-) > > I didn't have time to ask her why, the light turned green, and > we were off again. > > So now I am left pondering the greater meaning of all this. > (And possibly drooling over some kickass mobile cb radio setups, > stay tuned. :-) > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22495; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11826; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25893 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yPq3U-0000i0-00; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:54:24 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:53:04 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E626@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: DC Cycles List Subject: Ireland/Bikes Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:54:00 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I'm going to Ireland at the end of June for two weeks. Does anyone have any experience renting dual-sports over there? I'll be staying in Galway and think this would be the ultimate way to tour the countryside!! - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22498; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11291; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24035 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SackcoD@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id 1FYWa26228 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:09:19 -0400 (EDT) From: SackcoD Message-ID: <6e2368ed.35361111@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:09:19 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Salad eating is extreme, I think my sighting might surpass even that: Morning rush hour, I-495 outer loop between River Road and the Cabin John Bridge, a man eating noodle soup with chop-sticks. As soon as I realized what he was doing it used the throttle to put a lot of bumpers between him and me. --Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22501; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11597; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24739 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA21357 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:33:59 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:33:59 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:36:17 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 16 TEXT DWO????? >-----Original Message----- >From: SackcoD [SMTP:SackcoD@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, April 16, 1998 10:09 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... > >Salad eating is extreme, I think my sighting might surpass even that: > >Morning rush hour, I-495 outer loop between River Road and the Cabin John >Bridge, a man eating noodle soup with chop-sticks. As soon as I realized >what >he was doing it used the throttle to put a lot of bumpers between him and me. > >--Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22505; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11391; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24131 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-181.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.181]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA20927; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:21:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3536128A.51F0BB51@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:15:38 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garcia Oliver CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes. Leon. Garcia Oliver wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Leon Begeman wrote: > > > Nowwaitaminutehere . . . Being stupid isn't and shouldn't be illegal. > > Stupidity should only be punished when stupid acts CAUSE harm (physical > > or financial) to OTHER people. If she wasn't involved in an accident, > > she shouldn't have been ticketed. > > > > Leon. > > So...does this mean that a drunk driver weaving all over the road should > be ignored til s/he hits someone? > > --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22507; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11820; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25763 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yPq24-0000cK-00; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:52:57 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:51:35 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E625@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'horkster'" , DC Cycles List Subject: RE: "We need CB's for these bikes." (Long) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:52:32 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I would've want CBs, myself, 'cause I tend to talk to myself too much when I get psyched when going through a curve ("WOAH, DADDY!! You GO!!)...could be potentially embarrassing... ; ) - Jeannette > I shuddered at the visions of that special little voice > (and guys with SWMBO's, you know what I'm talking about) > coming over the radio: "Slow Down!", "You're going too fast", > "I can't keep up", "Quit staring at those lady joggers!" :-) > Would these stock phrases now invading my peaceful quiet > contemplations on two wheels? Did the wife merely want to nag > me whilst I rode? Augggghhhh! Best not to think > about such things until I know for sure. > > Or maybe, just maybe, did she miss the pleasant, witty repartee we > usually share when trapped in the cage together? :-) Yeah, maybe > she just wanted pleasant conversation while I showed her the joys > of curvy pavement! I can only hope! :-) > > I didn't have time to ask her why, the light turned green, and > we were off again. > > So now I am left pondering the greater meaning of all this. > (And possibly drooling over some kickass mobile cb radio setups, > stay tuned. :-) > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22510; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11767; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25543 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server ([151.196.125.85]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id KAA00361 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002b01bd6946$80faf700$557dc497@server> From: "Franz" To: "dc cycles" Subject: reply
Jay,
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------=_NextPart_000_0027_01BD6924.F87072A0-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22514; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11609; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24858 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 418 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:34:40 -0400 Message-ID: <35361740.DD129FA4@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:35:44 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: "We need CB's for these bikes." (Long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tracy needed directions to the Fairfax Cnty Parkway this morning, she had to go to Reston this morning for work. Sensing an opportunity to do some twisty riding I volunteered to escort her. Heh, heh, heh, I didn't plan on taking the direct route either! :-) Over the river and through the woods, to the town of Clifton our two bikes go. There's a 15 mile stretch of sanity in these backroads that I find very therapeutic, but I usually reserve that sort of fun for the commute home from work. :-) Anyway, after finding the Parkway just where I left it last night, I pulled up beside her at a stop light (somehow she got past me, musta been that guy on a Magna that I was talking to at the last stoplight...) and she flipped up her visor and uttered the ominous quote in the subject line: "We need CB's for these bikes." Uh oh! WhatdidIdonow? Through the wonders of modern technology her Shoei full face masked almost all of her facial expressions and most of her voice inflections. Was she mad at me for scraping pegs back there? Or mad that I got so far ahead of her at times? (I slowed down once her headlight disappeared...:-) I shuddered at the visions of that special little voice (and guys with SWMBO's, you know what I'm talking about) coming over the radio: "Slow Down!", "You're going too fast", "I can't keep up", "Quit staring at those lady joggers!" :-) Would these stock phrases now invading my peaceful quiet contemplations on two wheels? Did the wife merely want to nag me whilst I rode? Augggghhhh! Best not to think about such things until I know for sure. Or maybe, just maybe, did she miss the pleasant, witty repartee we usually share when trapped in the cage together? :-) Yeah, maybe she just wanted pleasant conversation while I showed her the joys of curvy pavement! I can only hope! :-) I didn't have time to ask her why, the light turned green, and we were off again. So now I am left pondering the greater meaning of all this. (And possibly drooling over some kickass mobile cb radio setups, stay tuned. :-) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22516; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11900; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26070 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. 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ABC will broadcast the Dallas Supercross at 5 p.m. (EST) following coverage of the Talledega NASCAR Winston Cup race on Sunday, April 26. Paul Page, voice of the Indy 500, along with ESPN2 announcer and 1983 AMA Supercross and Motocross Champion David Bailey, will host the hour-long show. On-track announcers will be Art Eckman of ESPN2, and Racer X Illustrated editor and ESPN2 announcer Davey Coombs. Broadcast of the Dallas Supercross will mark the first time in nearly a decade that AMA Supercross has aired on network television. The hour-long show will strictly showcase the 250cc main event, with feature pieces on four-time Supercross Champion and current points leader McGrath and Yamaha's Windham, currently second in points. Additional coverage of the Dallas Supercross can be seen on ESPN2 on May 9 at 1 p.m. and 9:30 p.m.; May 10 at 3:30 a.m. and May 14 at 2:00 p.m. All times are eastern and subject to change. 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22522; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10706; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23357 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yPp0b-0001xS-00; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:47:21 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:45:00 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E623@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , DC-Cycles list Subject: RE: Summit Point (VERY long) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:46:56 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Brian, is Thane the guy I met? Congrats to him!! : ) - Jeannette > There's > where my man, a mad frenzy on a beafy 700cc Hawk (#654) came from the > back > of the pack to take the lead and win. He had no clue where he was in > the > race, and when the checker flew.. he thought it was for the bike > behind > him.. HA.. what a supprise as he comes around 3 and finds me jumping > up > and down, waving hands in the air...Thane Stielow.. Winner, GT3. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22525; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08664; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21441 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:36:49 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565E8.00455343 ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:37:13 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565E8.00454803.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:37:08 -0400 Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Nowwaitaminutehere . . . Being stupid isn't and shouldn't be illegal. Stupidity should only be punished when stupid acts CAUSE harm (physical or financial) to OTHER people. If she wasn't involved in an accident, she shouldn't have been ticketed. Leon. Your are right that being stupid shoud not be illegal. But I kind of doubt that this woman was ticketed for being stupid. My guess is she was ticketed for "failure to pay attention", which in my opinion is a good damn reason to receive a ticket. So yes she should have been ticketed. Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22528; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08948; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21861 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yPoKg-0005O3-01; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:04:03 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:01:42 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E621@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Leon Begeman'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:03:39 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I was joking. > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 5:17 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... > > Nowwaitaminutehere . . . Being stupid isn't and shouldn't be illegal. > Stupidity should only be punished when stupid acts CAUSE harm > (physical > or financial) to OTHER people. If she wasn't involved in an accident, > she shouldn't have been ticketed. > > Leon. > > O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > > > Did she get a ticket for being stupid, too? > > > > - Jeannette > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Meier, Christopher [SMTP:MEIERCH@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 2:01 PM > > > To: 'dc-cycles' > > > Subject: You'll love this one ... > > > > > > QUOTE OF THE DAY from metro in Brief Section, Pg B3 of today's > > > Washington > > > Post > > > > > > "Putting on makeup is not any different from dialing a number on > your > > > cell > > > phone, lighting a cigarette, changing radio stations or drinking a > cup > > > of > > > coffee. I don't understand why it is construed as reckless." > > > > > > -- Valerie Nordstrom, after being fined $25 for applying mascara > while > > > she > > > was driving on Interstate 95 in rush hour. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------ > > > -------- > > > Christopher A. Meier > > > meierch@XXXXXX > > > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > > > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------ > > > -------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22531; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06495; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20166 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA08653 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:30:28 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:30:28 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'Dc-Cycles'" Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:32:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 6 TEXT >Unfortunately, stupidity is not illegal... True, but it's usually (eventually) fatal Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22534; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07503; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20782 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A5301A20276; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:10:24 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980416080941.00f78740@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:09:41 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... In-Reply-To: <353523E4.A077E85D@illuminet.net> References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E610@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think dangerous drivers should be identified before they cause accidents. No reason they should get one free killing. Chris Norloff ************************************************** At 05:17 PM 4/15/98 -0400, Leon Begeman wrote: >Nowwaitaminutehere . . . Being stupid isn't and shouldn't be illegal. >Stupidity should only be punished when stupid acts CAUSE harm (physical >or financial) to OTHER people. If she wasn't involved in an accident, >she shouldn't have been ticketed. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22537; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07499; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20778 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A52E1A20276; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:10:22 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980416075936.00ee3870@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:59:36 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Female Bikes In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hah! Tell that to a teenage girl who names her car and gives it a personality! Shame, shame, shame on you, you, you ... :-) Chris Norloff *************************************************** At 02:38 PM 4/15/98 -0400, tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: >Only a man would have to give inanimate objects human characteristics.................. > >---------- >From: horkster[SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 1:39 PM >To: Meier, Christopher; DC Cycles List >Subject: Re: Female Bikes > >Meier, Christopher wrote: >> >> >> Either that, or this is proof that my bike is female, and I should give >> up all hope of really understanding what it does from time to time. :-) >> > >I have yet to meet a male bike, they would be so simple to >work on. Give it a beer, watch a race/game on tv, go ride. > >Nope. All bikes have got to be female. It figures, too. :-) > >-- > >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX > >1998 Kawasaki Concours (Tracy doesn't want me to name her) >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22540; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06919; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from enterprise.reliacom.com (known enterprise.reliacom.com [151.200.65.161]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20545 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by enterprise.reliacom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <20D8A748>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:03:47 +0100 Message-ID: <1FEC5DA89BADD1118007006008A591101C97@enterprise.reliacom.com> From: Scot Kight To: "'George Howell '" , "'Chris Norloff '" , "'MARKSOMM '" , "'DC Cycles '" Subject: RE: Curious about a Ducati Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:03:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Uh. NO. 93+ 900ss series bikes are virtually flawless. There has been a recall for the SP series due to a bolt possibly falling off, but thats about it. If you want the bike to remain stock, I know people with 35+ thousand miles. The only things they have ever done is get valves checked and belts replaced. Not terribly exciting. Oh and I cant keep up with them on the weekends, they absolutely flog their bikes. Now personally I have pipes, and jetkit, and a corbin seat. 13k miles and going strong. 73 hp at the wheel. the 900ss/fe is the last of the current style 900ss series bikes though, and if you want to get in, thats your only bet right now. Unless you get an unsold older one. There are a few, but you have to look pretty hard, and not expect much of a discount either. The one word of warning I will give you, DONT buy a ducati from a place that dosent know ducati. The valve systems are VERY easy, but if you dont know it, you dont know it. Doug up at Battleys really knows ducati's and does a great job. Coleman powersports.. well I doubt they know much. Valley cycle in Winchester VA is a nice place. Thats where I got my bike from, they wanted the bike sold and werent giving me a hastle. Battleys has some sales people that dont hastle you, and some that do. If you dont like the guy you are dealing with, get another guy. I wish I knew that when I bought mine, but oh well. -----Original Message----- >From: George Howell >They are also Italian, which to me generally means they need >more attention and are meant to be used and enjoyed by an enthusiast. SWMBO's last name is Orlando. I know what you mean. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22544; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08120; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from enterprise.reliacom.com (known enterprise.reliacom.com [151.200.65.161]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20990 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by enterprise.reliacom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <20D8A7VC>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:16:07 +0100 Message-ID: <1FEC5DA89BADD1118007006008A591101C98@enterprise.reliacom.com> From: Scot Kight To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Curious about a Ducati Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:16:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You can get all your parts at Battleys cycle in Gaithersburg MD. Or you can mail order from quite a few places. Parts are easy to come by. As far as maintainence work. Valves are VERY easy, you just have to see them done once. Ducati's use the Desmodronic valve system. Basically normally bikes use a spring on the valve to lift it up into closed position, but in the 50's valve materials sucked. You ended up with lots of valve float, so someone at ducati thought of a way to make a system that not only opened the valve, but closed it, run off the cam. This change added a closer shim, since you needed to adjust how the bike would close. Its easy to check both opener and closer shims, and if you need to change it (on a 2v at least) its about a 20 minute job, maybe 30 minutes.. not bad at all. Just take the old shim, and the size it needs to be to battleys and they will trade for a new one with the right measurements. about 1.5hours work every valve check interval. Easy stuff really. But if someone dosent know what they are doing, or thinks "oh the closer is a little tight, that wont matter" They will have a complely burnt engine. Loose is ok, tight is NOT. As far as the paso goes, there have been intersting problems in its history.. but if you go onto the ducati list ducati@XXXXXX.. or a web interface at http://preview.revnet.com/GMG/ctrlpanel/0/413 or something like that. Join the list and ask there. You will find easy solutions to all your paso problems. The ONLY problems I know of are electrical system (bad wires and grounds.. not a really big deal, replace some wiring and you are good to go.) and the webber carb. Some people have some serious problems with it. There are ways to fix it, but I dont specifically know them. And 3500 is a pretty good deal. -----Original Message----- >From: Chris Norloff To: MARKSOMM; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 4/15/98 6:59 PM Subject: Re: Curious about a Ducati It depends on what you want in a bike, and how you want to take care or it. Ducati's are incredible bikes, with performance and handling that are unmatched. They are also Italian, which to me generally means they need more attention and are meant to be used and enjoyed by an enthusiast. Me, I want a commuter. I think the red would probably attract speeding tickets and thieves. And where do you get parts? Is there service nearby? Can anyone work on it or do service shops hire someone named Giovanni? Me, I like a mainstream bike, with lots of parts and service available. I don't want a bike that attracts attention, and I don't want to have a heart attack everytime the bike falls over (I seem to average one tipover per year - that can "total" a plastic bike or a beautiful bike like a Ducati). You make you choice and you pay your money, Chris Norloff **************************************************** At 12:29 PM 4/15/98 EDT, MARKSOMM wrote: >Dear Listers, > >I've got my eye out for a bike that is a little less "classic" than my '81 GPz >550. I came across the following vehicle offered for sale. Any thoughts >about the model? Does it have any unusual problems? Sound like a good price? > >Mark > >DUCATI Paso 750, 1987 >Red, very good condition, only 5K mi., new Michelins, just purchased new >Ducati, can't keep two. Asking $3,500 obo, NYCity >The Paso is a "sport tourer" which was originally produced in 1987. >Personally, I think it is one of the best looking Ducatis made (which is why I >purchased it in the first place). It has all-encompassing fiberglass >bodywork, >incoporated side-view mirrors, solid windscreen, and single headlight. It's >powered by a desmo-twin Pantah engine, but its fuel system uses a Weber carb >(which is unique to the 750 Paso, I believe). It has only 5K miles as I >stored it in >California for over 5 years (I am the original owner). Everything on it is >stock. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22548; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA06345; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 06:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA19777 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 06:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-231.s231.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.231]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA17951; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 06:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3535DF01.6A74449B@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 06:35:45 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MARKSOMM CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Curious about a Ducati References: <974876d1.3534e07d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, The only real problem with the 750 series (and most Ducs for that matter) is the electrical system. A very good friend has both a paso and the 750 sport... and they both popped up with electrical problems... Other than that they are wonderful bikes... I never got on the paso, but the 750 sport was a dream to ride. It felt more like you were riding a much smaller bike when it comes to flicking it around, but a simple twist of the wrist reminds you it's a 750 and a Duc. Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:35:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22551; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03980; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15366 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.40] (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:17:53 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Curious about a Ducati Date: Thu, 16 Apr 98 00:20:28 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "MARKSOMM" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >They are also Italian, which to me generally means they need >more attention and are meant to be used and enjoyed by an enthusiast. SWMBO's last name is Orlando. I know what you mean. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:36:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22554; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03984; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15374 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.40] (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:17:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... Date: Thu, 16 Apr 98 00:20:36 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Leon Begeman" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Nowwaitaminutehere . . . Being stupid isn't and shouldn't be illegal. >Stupidity should only be punished when stupid acts CAUSE harm (physical >or financial) to OTHER people. If she wasn't involved in an accident, >she shouldn't have been ticketed. But just think: the reason there are so many speed traps is to raise money for local jurisdictions. If the cops could ticket stupid people, there'd be so much revenue from that there would not even be any time to write speeding tickets. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:36:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22557; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA02144; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12801 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA02065 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35358CC2.3BA1@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:44:50 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: FS:79 HONDA 750LTD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, Found this on the DC-misc-4-sale... pretty usre it's a motorcyle ;) 1979 Honda 750LTD Original Owner Miles:25,900 Garage Kept Good Condition New Tires Bored:883 Wiseco Pistons, New cam chains Jardine Mufflers Original Manual and Toolkit. $1,100 obo. The LTD was Hondas 10th year annineversy edition of the 750. It has special factory paint job and emblems. Thanks Jim -- Please remove the [ z ] from my address for e-mail replies. zelmer1@XXXXXX Thanks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:36:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22560; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA02168; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12835 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA02150 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35358D7C.220@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:47:56 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: fs:94 honda CBR 600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's another one... JK ==================== I have a 1994 Honda CBR 600 F2 for sale. Full carbon fiber body work, Vance & Hines SS2R exhaust, 5 degree ignition advance, Dial-a-jet. Fast, and reliable. I hate to sell it but I need to buy a new car. It is located in Manassas, VA, and there is a picture at http://www.nicom.com/~dcompton/pics/bike.gif The new owner of this bike will not be disappointed. I'm asking $4,500 OBO. Contact me at dcompton@XXXXXX. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:36:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22563; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01236; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11283 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:18:42 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:17:22 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jaynik Received: from jaynik [207.168.31.101] by dclink.com with smtp id BEBBAEFB ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:17:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay Thompson" From: "Jay Thompson" To: "EXUP Brotherhood" , "DC Cycles" Subject: V&H or Yoshi? Help!!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:15:46 -0000 Message-ID: <01bd68ab$46765b60$651fa8cf@jaynik> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I have a choice of either getting a V&H SS2R or Yosh RS3 Slip On (can't afford that system!). I heard a SS2R a while back and have never heard the RS3. The guy selling it to me told me that the SS2R is a better buy all around. Anyone have any input? I'm getting it from a guy on the net... BADBOYRR@XXXXXX the prices are good and the orders come COD, so there is little risk.... Input please! Jay From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:36:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22566; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28137; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (known m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08418 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA20851 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:45:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: Summit Point (VERY long) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Qualitativly Speaking.... The first race weekend was a huge sucess in my books. Perfect weather (noone can deny that it was increadible up there for April 11-12!!). I arrived early Friday evening (had to sit back and drink a few brews while waiting to get in the gate.. 6pm is opening) Got in after meeting some friends whom I hadn't seen since the last race last year - pitched cap and took of on my bike about the track (mtn bike that is). I wanted to check out the new work that had been done to it, as well as try to apply what I'd read from Keith Codes books on camber, and corner techniques. On my way arround turn 10, Todd yelled at me.. and we headed back to base camp. Grabbed a few more brews and turned in for a long, cold night. (oh yeah, Summit Point in early spring.. lots of wet wood.. it took us a good 4 hours to get the dang fire going well. But it was still going the next morning.. so we must have done a good job.. :) All I remember from that night (after going to bed) was pulling the hood on my 15degree mummy bag up so only mu nose and mouth wer not covered.. and they felt frostbitten come morning. Head over the the MARRC area to grab something hot to drink, what a pleasent burn the hot chocolate provided. Watched riders stumble in and try to hold things in shaking fingers... to no avail. I must say, I'm glad I didn't ride up Sat. morning.. it musta been COLD!. Grabbed a corner (turn 3) with my racing./camping friend and Todd Peer. It was obvious with the first practive session that the track was cold, most people had new tires.. and racers spent a lot of time this winter making things pretty. Flashy bikes kept coming by.. kinda shimmying on the cold track with fresh tires. The bikes sure don't look so good at the end of the season arround here.. :) Anyway.. Turn 3 has been cut back (the berm) and many large rocks were exposed. Noone felt comfortable with those there so haybales were brought in to cover them up. Whee.. By this time John Kozen had joined our ranks on T3 - as well as some official looking MARRC members. We threw down bout 100 bales in this sticky, nasty mud.. and missed most of the morning practices. Lunch break finds a couple other DC-Cycles people floating arround.. Collin (of course) and several people I know, but can't remember names.. also several ex-llisters (we scared them off with the pure volume.. :). Hrm, hot food.. free drinks... I think I like this. Back to the corner.. I hang out in deep pickup on 3 for a couple of races.. watch everyone else work down at the entrance to 3 as bikes keep falling over. Hrm.. somewhere after 20 minutes of work or so we get the first race on the way (GT3) which has Hawks, RS125s, FZR400s and similar types bikes. There's where my man, a mad frenzy on a beafy 700cc Hawk (#654) came from the back of the pack to take the lead and win. He had no clue where he was in the race, and when the checker flew.. he thought it was for the bike behind him.. HA.. what a supprise as he comes around 3 and finds me jumping up and down, waving hands in the air...Thane Stielow.. Winner, GT3. Well, I went back down to change and capin for the afternoon.. Joined by Dawn Cook (races the Aprillia RS250 out there..). It was a borring afternoon after that - nothing happened.. races were fun. I managed to time RS125s at low 1:30s so I know what I should be turning. Dinner came (with free beer thanks to Randay Dalmas and his beautiful wife as newlyweds) and went.. and the beer drinking began. I overindulged. It was a long night, not much sleep and I almost didn't get up in time for corner assignments the next morning. Got stuck down on 8 - out in the sun, still drunk.. and there was no chance I could relax with who was captin down there. Argh.. Thankfully it was completely uneventfull - just stood around and watched the races. 3 R1s on the track.. pulling near record times (1:18 flat - record is 1:17.64). Saw a good dozen other Red/White R1s come in the gate. Got pounded by the sun.. and the sound of the Legend cars (which, incidenly, just rock around the track.. last year they were hitting 1:12s). Hrm.. it was mostly a blurr that day.. I just wanted it to end. Anyway.. WERA races April 24-25 - we'll have some semi-national guys rolling into the pits for that weekend. Expect better racing action, and probably some rain (if the trend continues from last year). I'm not going to drink so much.. prompise.. :) Hope to have some more listers and campers this next time... Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 82 XT250 (street/dirt) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:36:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22569; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27161; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08116 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA21651; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:59:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:59:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Leon Begeman cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... In-Reply-To: <353523E4.A077E85D@illuminet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Leon Begeman wrote: > Nowwaitaminutehere . . . Being stupid isn't and shouldn't be illegal. > Stupidity should only be punished when stupid acts CAUSE harm (physical > or financial) to OTHER people. If she wasn't involved in an accident, > she shouldn't have been ticketed. > > Leon. So...does this mean that a drunk driver weaving all over the road should be ignored til s/he hits someone? --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 14:43:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22654; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16382; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05837 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26722; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35364FF3.7462C038@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:37:39 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: dc-cycles , "balt-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Azarro Follow Up (long) References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BA2@xcgva001.grumman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, The Avons are a good mix between the very triangular response of Dunlops compared to the "dull" rounded profile of Metzlers. As long as tire pressure is correct, the bike will go into turns with minimal effort and track wherever you want it too. They are so neutral and easy to maintain a line with, that I've been know to take the left hand off and drag the ground on good cambered road like 211. (Too bad I never got a pick of that :)) (But watch out for those nasty reflectors between the yellow stripes.. they hurt.. he he he) They did require different suspension settings than the dunlops did (duh) and nearly took me beyond the limits of the 93's stock rear shock (but it was getting tired anyway). With the Azarros, I ended up going to the max rebound setting to settle out some mild wallow in high speed sweepers. The front really didn't need tinkering with..then again, at 5'10", 155#, the stock suzuki front settings fit me pretty well.. I only tinkered a small amount with the front over the entire time I had it... The tire diameters on all three are slightly different. Metzler is the smallest and noticible increases in RPM can be observed. The dunlop and avons are close, but I think the avons are a bit taller... If my bike were stock geared I might not have even noticed it, but with the lower gearing pushing me higher in the rev range at cruising speed, the avons were just a hair lower rpm and took a little of the buzz off. I've never ridden any model of the D207 from Dunlop. The racers swear by em (most of em anyhow). I'm planning on running a set of takeoffs for my first weekend on my racebike, but if they even slightly remind me of how the D204 street or GP compounds felt, I will quickly abandon them for the race compound azarros. Actually, I'll probably go with the race compound azarros anyway, but for the moment, they aren't available yet...maybe in three weeks the distributors said (according to CCS#901/WERA#607...can't remember his name). I took some good video shorts of the wear patterns on the Azarro with the heavy front 93... then again, you all know how I like to take corners. I'll try to vid capture them tonight or tomorrow and get them on my web page. As for longevity, the front lasted about the same as my longest stretch on a D204 street comp: 4500 miles... The rear lasted 2.5 times longer than my best run on dunnies at roughly 5000 miles (and not nearly as ugly looking when I took them off) Rain performance is where I noticed a tremendous difference too. Riding on dunlops, I always felt like I was riding a knife edge. The Avons were much smoother and more comfortable in the wet. No real experience in the wet on Metzlers.. the only time I've ridden on them was on someone elses bike... As I mentioned before, the azarros grip infinitely better than the dunlops (never really torture tested the metzlers, but they were holding good to the extent I pushed them). With the 525 lb gixer and me on top of it, I never had to push very hard before the both tires would walk all over the place. The rear would ALWAYS move... But at leat the street compound was very predictable. Teh GP compound on the other hand was not as smooth when it slid.... it would alwys contiunue to try and bite again so you have to add power to keep it moving once it does break. On the other hand, the day I put the Azarros on, I took a brief ride out west with Jon Pierrat and rode 704 fairly hot. Whe I got home and started washing the bike, I noticed that I had gotten the bike lower than I ever had before evidenced by a nice scrape along the bottom of the lowers. On subsequent rides, I put some marks on the other side. Playing around out at Old Dominion and also out at 211 I was able to take the bike all the way down to peg grinding... I quickly replaced the stock front pegs with an extra set of the smaller rear pegs I had and scraping wasn't a problem after that. So... Did I answer your questions?? he he he Sorry to be so long winded. The Oklahoma talking disease hit me again :) Collin Meier, Christopher wrote: > > I would. > > I currently have a MEZ1/MEZ2 setup on the RF9. How do the Azaros compare > in terms of "falling" into turns? Are they neutral, or very quick steering? > Do they track reasonably well through turns or are they so > sensitive/responsive that you have to maintain the perfect line to avoid > running all over the place in high speed sweepers? -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 15:01:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23131; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16535; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imisys.com (known imisys.com [12.3.128.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06604 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [12.3.130.190] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id A69314401DE; Thu Apr 16 13:57:39 1998 Message-ID: <000801bd6969$7ca1c120$be82030c@jywon.imi_dc> From: "Justin Won" To: Subject: Subscribing to this list Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:57:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Can someone remind me how to subscribe to this list? 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Thanks, Justin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 15:25:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23523; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17020; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07250 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA14416; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:22:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA30650; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980416192205.SVVZ5955@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:22:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Justin Won" CC: Subject: Re: Subscribing to this list X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980416192205.SVVZ5955@[166.41.242.141]> >From Harry M. All subscribe/unsubscribe/etc requests should be emailed to the human at dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX . In accordance with list policy, a rookie cop has been dispatched to administer your beating (hey, I don't make the rules...) -harry Message-ID: <000801bd6969$7ca1c120$be82030c@jywon.imi_dc> From: "Justin Won" To: Subject: Subscribing to this list Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:57:20 -0400 Can someone remind me how to subscribe to this list? I have a friend who wants to join. Thanks, Justin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 15:27:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23549; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17070; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07379 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id PAA15267; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hrnexch1.eisi.com(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma015260; Thu, 16 Apr 98 15:24:50 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:26:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:26:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I'm hoping it's not the nasty little racial slur that it sounds like. > -----Original Message----- > From: MARKSOMM [SMTP:MARKSOMM@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 1998 11:55 AM > To: mike@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... > > In a message dated 98-04-16 10:43:29 EDT, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > DWO????? > > > > What does this stand for? > > Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 15:57:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24474; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18527; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08640 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA29371; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:53:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA25416; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980416195342.LUSS500@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:53:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Whiteside, John" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980416195342.LUSS500@[166.41.242.141]> Driving While Orange? What exactly does it sound like anyway? Down With Octagons? Don't Whack Otto? (all from a lesser imagination, mine) T Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:26:28 -0400 I'm hoping it's not the nasty little racial slur that it sounds like. > -----Original Message----- > From: MARKSOMM [SMTP:MARKSOMM@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 1998 11:55 AM > To: mike@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... > > In a message dated 98-04-16 10:43:29 EDT, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > DWO????? > > > > What does this stand for? > > Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 17:24:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26100; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20092; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11672 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id 1QSEa26971; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:20:05 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:20:05 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-04-16 15:44:00 EDT, you write: > > I wasn't trying to say anything > As John Whiteside pointed out, the remark could easily be interpreted as a, "nasty little racial slur." I'd like to think that it was not intended that way. I was hoping you would make your meaning clear before anyone took offense and things got ugly. If I did misunderstand, then I'd like to thank you in advance for any clarification that might be forthcoming. Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 18:11:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26971; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20779; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12748 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id 1IYMa27907 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:06:33 -0400 (EDT) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <8de86100.353680eb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:06:33 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Need new rear (was: Azarro Follow Up) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Hey everyone, Im back after a haitus/vacation. Much to my wallet's chagrin, its time to replace the rear on my TL. The MEZ1 190 (racing compound) held up surprisingly long (almost 7000 miles) but now its starting to crack and peel a bit. Im not noticing any "problems" with it (ie. loss of cornering or spinning) after my latest test run of 75 MPH on Furnace Road but it just looks kinda ugly and Im sure its time has come. Im seeing so much about "whos tire is the best" and Im simply left confused. Im probably gonna stick with the MEZs but Ive had my eye on the Pirelli Dragons and the new D207s. Anybody out there ran around on these babies yet? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 20:57:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29096; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21946; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known [128.126.170.15] [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16263 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6979.EA50E010@XXXXXX>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:54:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: "We need CB's for these bikes." (Long) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:54:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 71 TEXT Funny how he'll post something like this when he knows I'll not be able to respond until much later (at site today w/ no e-mail). My problem was I spun in some gravel on his twisties and got scared. I couldn't see him most of the time we were on the road and I just hate that. I don't know the road and he rides like a maniac because he does. Also, I can see him forgetting me back there and turning without me. Just would be nice if he could radio back to tell me about turns that I might feel uncomfortable with and such. ---------- From: horkster[SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 16, 1998 10:35 AM To: DC Cycles List Subject: "We need CB's for these bikes." (Long) Tracy needed directions to the Fairfax Cnty Parkway this morning, she had to go to Reston this morning for work. Sensing an opportunity to do some twisty riding I volunteered to escort her. Heh, heh, heh, I didn't plan on taking the direct route either! :-) Over the river and through the woods, to the town of Clifton our two bikes go. There's a 15 mile stretch of sanity in these backroads that I find very therapeutic, but I usually reserve that sort of fun for the commute home from work. :-) Anyway, after finding the Parkway just where I left it last night, I pulled up beside her at a stop light (somehow she got past me, musta been that guy on a Magna that I was talking to at the last stoplight...) and she flipped up her visor and uttered the ominous quote in the subject line: "We need CB's for these bikes." Uh oh! WhatdidIdonow? Through the wonders of modern technology her Shoei full face masked almost all of her facial expressions and most of her voice inflections. Was she mad at me for scraping pegs back there? Or mad that I got so far ahead of her at times? (I slowed down once her headlight disappeared...:-) I shuddered at the visions of that special little voice (and guys with SWMBO's, you know what I'm talking about) coming over the radio: "Slow Down!", "You're going too fast", "I can't keep up", "Quit staring at those lady joggers!" :-) Would these stock phrases now invading my peaceful quiet contemplations on two wheels? Did the wife merely want to nag me whilst I rode? Augggghhhh! Best not to think about such things until I know for sure. Or maybe, just maybe, did she miss the pleasant, witty repartee we usually share when trapped in the cage together? :-) Yeah, maybe she just wanted pleasant conversation while I showed her the joys of curvy pavement! I can only hope! :-) I didn't have time to ask her why, the light turned green, and we were off again. So now I am left pondering the greater meaning of all this. (And possibly drooling over some kickass mobile cb radio setups, stay tuned. :-) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 16 21:44:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA29600; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22199; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16999 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-231.s231.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.231]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA20371; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3536B45C.FC319062@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:46:04 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantA ZX6 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need new rear (was: Azarro Follow Up) References: <8de86100.353680eb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jack, The Pirelli and the Metzler are made by the same people... the rubber is the same, it just comes down to which tread pattern you like better and cost... WantA ZX6 wrote: Im > probably gonna stick with the MEZs but Ive had my eye on the Pirelli Dragons > and the new D207s. Anybody out there ran around on these babies yet? > > Jack -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 00:19:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01584; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25214; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19593 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.37] (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:17:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... Date: Fri, 17 Apr 98 00:19:58 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "MARKSOMM" , , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> DWO????? >> > >What does this stand for? Driving While Oriental? ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 00:19:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01582; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25218; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19597 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.37] (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:17:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ireland/Bikes Date: Fri, 17 Apr 98 00:20:01 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "DC Cycles List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I'm going to Ireland at the end of June for two weeks. Does anyone have >any experience renting dual-sports over there? I'll be staying in >Galway and think this would be the ultimate way to tour the >countryside!! Somewhere, I have a Rider magazine that lists many rental outfits. Not sure if there are any listed for Ireland. (Shoot, now that I think about it, I think my father has that issue at home.) I'll look for it tonight. Gee, with that hair, I NEVER would have guessed you might be Irish;) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 00:19:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01591; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25222; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19601 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.37] (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:17:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Electronics Component Help (vaguely MC related) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 98 00:20:09 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Am putting together a voltmeter for my Gold Wing (now that the project is mostly done, I should have just bought one of the damned things, but I like the custom fit:) and can wire up just about everything, except the relay to power the unit. It's got four terminals. Two labeled Coil (connected with a curly line) and perpendicular to them, there is a broken line. One is marked Common, the other normally open. Where do I put the 12v power feed (this isn't the signal feed, BTW) and where do I put the switched 12v in and out (so that the unit will only come on when the bike is)? When I get it done, I'll post the url for where I found it, if anyone is interested. Total parts are about $30, but I've got several leftover resistors that should knock the parts cost down. Also, if you have free access to PC board, and don't purchase a box, it would be a bit cheaper still. Finally, I'm putting on a connecter so that I can easily unplug the whole unit. BTW, it's a digital unit. Buying the RS analog unit would have made this about a $4 project. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 01:17:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02221; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26560; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA20376 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.30] (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:14:52 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: "We need CB's for these bikes." (Long) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 98 01:17:35 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >My problem was I spun in some gravel on his twisties and got scared. I >couldn't see him most of the time we were on the road and I just hate that. > I don't know the road and he rides like a maniac because he does. > >Also, I can see him forgetting me back there and turning without me. Just >would be nice if he could radio back to tell me about turns that I might >feel uncomfortable with and such. No offense to Dale, but I think you need a new riding partner. When my brother was new, I ALWAYS made him go ahead of me, because I knew that I wouldn't be able to keep the speed down. As he got a little better, I would occasionally go first. But I always told him NOT to try to keep up, and if I got far enough ahead that I couldn't see him in the rear view, I would stop and wait. I think the first thing we gotta do (well before spending the $$$$$ on communications systems) is get the two of you talking a little bit pre-ride. Dale, slow down a little bit when you've got an unsure rider behind you. (Hope I haven't misinterpreted the facts. But I know how hard it is to slow down a bit.) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 08:41:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05566; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03581; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25502 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id AD9628F0456; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:39:50 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980417082407.00f86210@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:24:07 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: "We need CB's for these bikes." (Long) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:17 AM 4/17/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: > When my >brother was new, I ALWAYS made him go ahead of me, because I knew that I >wouldn't be able to keep the speed down. As he got a little better, I >would occasionally go first. But I always told him NOT to try to keep up, >and if I got far enough ahead that I couldn't see him in the rear view, I >would stop and wait. I agree. When I ride with a new or much-less-experienced rider, I always hate leading because I don't know how fast to go. In my experience, following riders need a bit of experience before they can go their own pace and not try to keep up with the leading riders if the those riders are going "too fast". Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 08:41:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05572; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03579; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25501 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id AD9528F0456; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:39:49 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980417082116.00f87b10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:21:16 -0400 To: "DC Cycles List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Ireland/Bikes In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>I'm going to Ireland at the end of June for two weeks. Does anyone have >>any experience renting dual-sports over there? I'll be staying in >>Galway and think this would be the ultimate way to tour the >>countryside!! This might help: http://www.monmouth.com/~wdudley/rentalmc.htm There's nothing for Ireland, specifically, but there might be some good leads here, or perhaps you can rent (hire, as they say) a motorcycle (motorbike, as they say) in England and ride it to Ireland. :-) Also, check out the British cycle magazines in a big bookstore, like Borders. They'll likely have some rental info. You might also contact an owners' group or other cycle organization, or even put a letter in a magazine like a friend of mine did, offering to trade a motorcycle ride here for a motorcycle ride there (just borrow a bike). There's a couple international groups of motorcyclists who do things like this, but I can't think of the names (I have the stuff at home if you're interested). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 08:48:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05708; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03680; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail3.geocities.com [209.1.224.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25669 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA07155 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 05:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35374EDB.4323614B@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:45:15 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Jay's tire change Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Jay was finally able to get away from the SO and around the weather to make it over to my place to change out his tires... Other than spectating at Leon's, my only manual tire changing experience was with 2 smoke dirt bike tires (what a pain in the arse) so I expected the worst. Surprisingly, from start to finish, both wheels, with much BSing and goofing off along the way, it only took us a little over an hour or so!! And I've been paying someone to mount these things for me??!?!?!! Well, that will be the end of that, other than the occasional race weekend when I need a new set on right then and there... -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 09:00:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05989; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03822; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25997 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (pool-207-205-219-196.pitb.grid.net [207.205.219.196]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA09843; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980417090039.006a2bd0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:00:39 -0400 To: Chris Norloff From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Ireland/Bikes Cc: "DC Cycles List" In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980417082116.00f87b10@mail.toward.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" When I was in London in 1987, I looked up "Motorcycle Hire" in the phone book. They guy at one place said, "We've got some Honda 400s, some BMWs... oh, and a Kawasaki ZZR-900." I spent the next few days exploring on the European version of the 900 Ninja. Overall, Europe is a great place to ride, since so many people do over there. At the same time, it's a bit easier getting used to driving on the left when you only have two wheels to deal with. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 09:03:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06133; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03874; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26180 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id JAA12947; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35375316.D940E82F@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:03:19 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: "We need CB's for these bikes." (Long) References: <3.0.1.32.19980417082407.00f86210@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree in the most part but I being a good fast rider about a 6 outa 10 when follow a better rider I ride better. I am not saying I should follow Scott Russel around Dayton, but I would ride better following Collin through his little routes than I would if I rode them solo. So let riders slower than you follow and you take it easy. Its the best way for them to learn. Jay PS The VFR I bought from Kevin Thomas is lookin' great and is in the Paper this weekend. If you know anybody lookin for a good bike let me know. Chris Norloff wrote: > At 01:17 AM 4/17/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: > > When my > >brother was new, I ALWAYS made him go ahead of me, because I knew that I > >wouldn't be able to keep the speed down. As he got a little better, I > >would occasionally go first. But I always told him NOT to try to keep up, > >and if I got far enough ahead that I couldn't see him in the rear view, I > >would stop and wait. > > I agree. When I ride with a new or much-less-experienced rider, I always > hate leading because I don't know how fast to go. In my experience, > following riders need a bit of experience before they can go their own pace > and not try to keep up with the leading riders if the those riders are > going "too fast". > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 09:24:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06490; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04078; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiu.arl.mil (known tiu.arl.mil [128.63.9.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26926 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spb-pcq.arl.army.mil by TIU.ARL.MIL id aa28009; 17 Apr 98 9:21 EDT Message-ID: <35378138.1587@arl.mil> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:20:08 -0700 From: Kevin Boyd Reply-To: jkboyd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: "Meier, Christopher" , dc-cycles , "balt-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Tire, Tires and More Tires References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BA2@xcgva001.grumman.com> <35364FF3.7462C038@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Meier, Christopher wrote: > > > > I would. > > > > I currently have a MEZ1/MEZ2 setup on the RF9. How do the Azaros compare > > in terms of "falling" into turns? Are they neutral, or very quick steering? > > Do they track reasonably well through turns or are they so > > sensitive/responsive that you have to maintain the perfect line to avoid > > running all over the place in high speed sweepers? > > -- > Collin T. Fagan > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) While everybody is talking about tires I figured I'd ask a few questions of my own!! I bought a 91 ZX11 about a year ago, the guy I bought it from put new Dunlop Sportmaxs (I believe thats what they are, the tires are whatever came as original equipment) but he let the bike sit for two years without riding it. When I bought the bike the tires looked like they had never been ridden on. Anyway, when I first started riding the bike the tires were pretty slick and I assumed it was because they were new and that once some miles were put on them they would be ok. Well they have a few thousand miles on them and basically they suck. I don't ride as hard as you guys but these tires seem to lose traction to easy. Could this problem be because the tires sat so long? Also, these tires don't have a very linear feel, when laying over in a turn everything feels ok but then the bike feels like it is falling over, which doesn't givre me a very confident feeling. >From the email traffic I am reading it sounds like the Metzelers have a more linear fell, is this correct? Also, are there any opinions on the Michelen's. I hate to get rid of these tires but I can't see riding around half-spooked until they wear out. Thanks for the input! Kevin Boyd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 09:32:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06596; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04155; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27222 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cagw1.att.com; Fri Apr 17 09:23 EDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA04890 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD69E3.87D2E540@XXXXXX>; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:30:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'gixer@XXXXXX'" Subject: Just my .000002 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:30:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First, let me say that I don't wish to start a flame war but rather just share some thoughts. :-) In NJ, driving alone in the HOV lane may result in a fine + 2 points on your license. Explain to me how driving in the HOV is dangerous & warrants 2 points on your license? This leads me to Collin's example of triple digit speeds in rural areas point. Unless you are endangering another individuals life with your speed, and you are not engaged in interstate commerce/transport, it is my understanding, (& I'm no lawyer), that a police officer has no Constitutional grounds to stop you. Why should he/she? My interpretation is that this is to protect individuals' freedoms. The point being that I personally feel, in general, that officers are not enforcing the laws they should. The example of people putting on makeup, eating with chop sticks, etc., shows that. Why does MD need "Agressive Driver Imaging"? They don't. Stop wasting my tax dollars & enforce the law as it was intended. Just my .000002. John Carver '98 Interceptor From: "Collin T. Fagan" <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 09:39:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06719; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04282; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail1.geocities.com [209.1.224.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27462 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA04464; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35375AFE.AF85A455@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:37:02 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jkboyd@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles , "balt-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Tire, Tires and More Tires References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BA2@xcgva001.grumman.com> <35364FF3.7462C038@geocities.com> <35378138.1587@arl.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, That's exactly how dunlops perform... They have a triangular profile which makes them fall into turns quite easily.. That's about the only thing I like about the dunlops.. As for their slipperyness, my guess is that sitting for two years did not do them any good. They've probably hardened up quite a bit..especially if the bike was parked near any ozone producing appliances in the garage. For mild riding, msot of the name brand tires will perform OK.. I'm a little preferential to the Avons, but I ride quite a bit harder. Also, I 've heard a couple of people say that the Avons don't hold up as well on the really big bikes (although they did just fine on my 525 lb GSXR...close to a ZX11 in weight). The Dunlops are generally worst in the rain (personal opinion) while the Metzler, Pirelli, and Avons are a lot more confidence inspiring when its wet. For moderate riding, I*'d go with the setup that Chris Meier and a few others have: MEZ1 on the front, MEZ2 on the back... I don't think I've ever heard anyone complain about that setup... -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 10:00:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07014; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05517; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28140 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD69E6.B4E939A0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:53:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'jkboyd@XXXXXX'" , "'Collin T. Fagan'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" , "'balt-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Tire, Tires and More Tires Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:53:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DON'T GO WITH THE MEZ2!!! Stick with the MEZ1(MEZ3).... I have had nothing but trouble with the MEZ2 that's on the back of my VFR. I had the MEZ1 before and was much happier with the feel. And if you plan to really ride it hard once in a while... the MEZ2 will be less confidence inspiring. I tend to really push my VFR at times and since I switched I've had to back it off some... I have been thinking about going to the Avon's though... and as soon as I get my F2 front wheel that's what I'll be doing! Just my .02 -Tom '86VFR750 >---------- >From: Collin T. Fagan[SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 9:37 AM >To: jkboyd@XXXXXX >Cc: dc-cycles; balt-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Tire, Tires and More Tires > >Kevin, >That's exactly how dunlops perform... They have a triangular profile >which makes them fall into turns quite easily.. That's about the only >thing I like about the dunlops.. > >As for their slipperyness, my guess is that sitting for two years did >not do them any good. They've probably hardened up quite a >bit..especially if the bike was parked near any ozone producing >appliances in the garage. > >For mild riding, msot of the name brand tires will perform OK.. I'm a >little preferential to the Avons, but I ride quite a bit harder. Also, >I 've heard a couple of people say that the Avons don't hold up as well >on the really big bikes (although they did just fine on my 525 lb >GSXR...close to a ZX11 in weight). > >The Dunlops are generally worst in the rain (personal opinion) while the >Metzler, Pirelli, and Avons are a lot more confidence inspiring when its >wet. > >For moderate riding, I*'d go with the setup that Chris Meier and a few >others have: MEZ1 on the front, MEZ2 on the back... I don't think I've >ever heard anyone complain about that setup... > > > >-- >Collin T. Fagan >(202) 366-0067 (work) >(703) 356-4279 (home) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 10:04:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07052; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05612; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28211 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.wheel by goliath.intelsol.com (Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) with SMTP id 852565E9.004D34E1; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:03:15 -0400 Message-ID: <35376087.52B97F1F@the.wheel> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:00:39 -0400 From: Ornery on Friday X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got my first bike... A Yamaha R1... Which fully synthetic oil should I put in it after my 600 mile checkup?? Please help.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 10:04:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07064; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05618; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28226 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.wheel by goliath.intelsol.com (Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) with SMTP id 852565E9.004D3EA0; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:03:40 -0400 Message-ID: <353760A0.3E336CD7@the.wheel> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:01:04 -0400 From: Ornery on Friday X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got my first bike... A Yamaha R1... Which fully synthetic oil should I put in it after my 600 mile checkup?? Please help.. Wednesday's sunshine was soo perfect riding around in my shorts, tanktop, and sandals... too bad they make us wear helmets here in this state.. Ralph From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 10:09:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07275; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05749; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (known denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28612 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (ip144.herndon21.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.111.144]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA24066 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35376329.82831ED0@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:11:53 -0400 From: "R. K. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Vintage Japanese Motorcycles web site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just gotta get your hands on a 1975 Kawasaki H1- 500 Triple? Need side covers for your 1971 Bridgestone 350 GTO? Here is the web site for you--"Vintage Japanese Motorcycles" at http://www.vjmw.org/ For the old timers on the list, this web site will bring back memories. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 10:15:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07326; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06088; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (known tangerine.uucom.com [198.202.217.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28829 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.8.8/8.8.6/970102ccg) with ESMTP id KAA06496 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804171412.KAA06496@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: dc-cycles From: Matthew Whalen Subject: Re: Question In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:01:04 EDT." <353760A0.3E336CD7@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:12:27 -0400 Sender: mwhalen@XXXXXX I'm putting on my helmet and hiding under my desk. This one might not be pretty. -matthew I think I heard Ornery on Friday say: >Wednesday's sunshine was soo perfect riding around in my shorts, >tanktop, and sandals... too bad they make us wear helmets here in this >state.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 10:18:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07363; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06319; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28873 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yQBwn-0007fq-00; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:16:58 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:15:31 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D5E56F8@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Ornery on Friday'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Question Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:16:30 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Uh oh...here we go again... ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Ornery on Friday [SMTP:Troublemaker@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 10:01 AM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Question > > I just got my first bike... A Yamaha R1... > > Which fully synthetic oil should I put in it after my 600 mile > checkup?? > > Please help.. > > Wednesday's sunshine was soo perfect riding around in my shorts, > tanktop, and sandals... too bad they make us wear helmets here in this > state.. > > Ralph From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 10:21:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07396; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06511; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28959 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p201.smart.net [206.97.127.201]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10597 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:20:09 -0400 Message-ID: <35376401.E502B768@smart.net> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:15:31 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Question References: <353760A0.3E336CD7@the.wheel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would you like your calamari fried or grilled, sir? Ornery on Friday wrote: > I just got my first bike... A Yamaha R1... > > Which fully synthetic oil should I put in it after my 600 mile checkup?? > > Please help.. > > Wednesday's sunshine was soo perfect riding around in my shorts, > tanktop, and sandals... too bad they make us wear helmets here in this > state.. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 10:22:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07416; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06583; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28991 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id KAA13167; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <353765D5.3AE6F18A@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:23:18 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ornery on Friday , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Question References: <353760A0.3E336CD7@the.wheel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You forgot the mention that before you took your first ride you just finished drinking a case of beer to celebrate the fact that you paid $3000 over sticker price. Ornery on Friday wrote: > I just got my first bike... A Yamaha R1... > > Which fully synthetic oil should I put in it after my 600 mile checkup?? > > Please help.. > > Wednesday's sunshine was soo perfect riding around in my shorts, > tanktop, and sandals... too bad they make us wear helmets here in this > state.. > > Ralph From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 10:26:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07466; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06773; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29085 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA29390; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:24:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:24:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: Ornery on Friday cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Question In-Reply-To: <353760A0.3E336CD7@the.wheel> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm... Forged email trolling for flames. You forgot loud pipes, volvos, traffic sensors that don't detect bikes, people who blow grass clippings into the street, people who throw lit cigs out of their cars (while brushing their teeth, eating salad, combing their hair, reading the paper and talking to their lawyer on the phone). Oh, and people who move away from you in elevators. ;) I hear good things about Mobil 1. There aren't too many pure synth oils to choose from, I don't think. Some folks say 600 miles isn't quite enough time before switching. If your state is Virginia, and you didn't contact your state representitives when the bill to make helmet use optional was before the transportation committee, then the helmet law in place is partially your own doing. The suzuki list just had an interesting thread on what happens when bees fly up one's shorts. Wheee! Cheers, Pete. On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Ornery on Friday wrote: > I just got my first bike... A Yamaha R1... > > Which fully synthetic oil should I put in it after my 600 mile checkup?? > > Please help.. > > Wednesday's sunshine was soo perfect riding around in my shorts, > tanktop, and sandals... too bad they make us wear helmets here in this > state.. > > Ralph > --- Peter Hartzler Systems Analysis Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 10:30:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07566; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06885; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29243 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yQC8O-0001ne-00; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:28:56 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:27:32 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D5E56F9@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles Subject: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:28:31 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yesterday riding home from work I got so much attention on my bike it was weird. My hair was up, so I don't think it was 'cause I'm a girl, either. I had one guy walk past & say, "Hey, got a wheelie in that thing?" A couple other guys drove up next to me & queried me about my miniceptor, then I had a couple guys follow me to a gas station & ask me about my bike. Is this happening to everyone else? Does the warm weather bring out the wanna-be motorcyclists? I almost felt like a damn celebrity... ; ) - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 10:31:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07627; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06930; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29274 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:30:14 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565E9.004FBAA9 ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:30:51 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565E9.004F3115.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:30:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I just got my first bike... A Yamaha R1... Which fully synthetic oil should I put in it after my 600 mile checkup?? Wednesday's sunshine was soo perfect riding around in my shorts, tanktop, and sandals... too bad they make us wear helmets here in this state.. Ralph Beware everyone. The questions from this lister sound suspiciously like flame bait to me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 10:32:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07647; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06959; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29366 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.32] (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:30:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "We need CB's for these bikes." (Long) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 98 10:32:45 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "jay goddard" , "Chris Norloff" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I agree in the most part but I being a good fast rider about a 6 outa 10 when >follow a better rider I ride better. I am not saying I should follow Scott >Russel around Dayton, but I would ride better following Collin through his >little routes than I would if I rode them solo. So let riders slower than >you >follow and you take it easy. Its the best way for them to learn. I agree, up to a point. In my post, I said that once my brother started picking up some speed and ability, I did start taking the lead (I also usually took the worse handling bike to force me to slow down as well as to exaggerate what I was doing so that I would see it) But Tracy seemed to indicate that she was uncomfortable at certain paces that Dale was keeping. Which sounds to me like on those roads, Tracy should be in the lead. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 10:32:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07651; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06964; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29370 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.32] (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:30:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Question Date: Fri, 17 Apr 98 10:32:48 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Ornery on Friday" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I just got my first bike... A Yamaha R1... > >Which fully synthetic oil should I put in it after my 600 mile checkup?? > >Please help. No offense, but is this a troll for flames? ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 10:35:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07736; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07061; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29430 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA19720 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA26518 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:33:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980417143337.ZZRU5955@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:33:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980417143337.ZZRU5955@[166.41.242.141]> I'm still waiting for an answer from the PC police. What racial slur has been interpretted(sp) from the seemingly harmless DWO? Write me privately if you feel it will offend someone %{ Todd Forwarded message: _________________________________________________________________ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Whiteside, John" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... Driving While Orange? What exactly does it sound like anyway? Down With Octagons? Don't Whack Otto? (all from a lesser imagination, mine) T Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:26:28 -0400 I'm hoping it's not the nasty little racial slur that it sounds like. > -----Original Message----- > From: MARKSOMM [SMTP:MARKSOMM@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 1998 11:55 AM > To: mike@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... > > In a message dated 98-04-16 10:43:29 EDT, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > DWO????? > > > > What does this stand for? > > Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 10:45:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07932; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07537; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29912 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:44:48 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565E9.00510ED1 ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:45:22 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: jlobrien@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565E9.00507286.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:45:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII then I had a couple guys follow me to a gas station & ask me about my bike. Is this happening to everyone else? Does the warm weather bring out the wanna-be motorcyclists? I almost felt like a damn celebrity... ; ) Even though your hair was up, I suspect the hour glass shape of your torso had a lot to do with the unusual interest you were receiving. 8-) Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 10:57:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08157; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07918; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00307 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:56:29 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.77.125]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA2898; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:55:57 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980417105518.006b6030@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:55:18 -0400 To: WantA ZX6 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need new rear (was: Azarro Follow Up) In-Reply-To: <8de86100.353680eb@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jack-- I've ridden a little on the Pirellis, but not at peg-grinding velocities. They are, however, virtually identical to the metzeler MEZs. Pirelli owns metzeler. Later Kevin A From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 11:01:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08233; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08195; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com (known ngedns.northgrum.com [192.86.71.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00436 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgny003.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.161]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA14036; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGNY003 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2TMDJAPY>; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:58:43 -0400 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BDC@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: jkboyd@XXXXXX, "'Collin T. Fagan'" Cc: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Tire, Tires and More Tires Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:58:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Collin T. Fagan[SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 9:37 AM > To: jkboyd@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles; balt-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Tire, Tires and More Tires > --snip-- > For moderate riding, I*'d go with the setup that Chris Meier and a few > others have: MEZ1 on the front, MEZ2 on the back... I don't think I've > ever heard anyone complain about that setup... > And the mileage is a major plus. I expect to get about 10k from the rear. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 11:01:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08239; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08252; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00468 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA24244 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:53:20 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:59:48 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:01:08 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: RE: "We need CB's for these bikes." (Long) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline When we ride off-road (both dirt bikes and snowmos) it's understood that each rider is responsible for the one behind him so nobody gets lost. This still allows you to blitz a section, then ease up until you see the other rider's headlight. I doubt my wife would ride with me (or do other, just as important, things with me) if I didn't follow this practice. Joe '86 Ninja 900 Richmond From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 11:05:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08282; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08582; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00570 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD69EF.AE672F20@XXXXXX>; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:57:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'Matthew Whalen'" Subject: RE: Question Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:57:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah... me too... sh!t... I didn't ride in today... no helmet to protect myself with! -Tom >---------- >From: Matthew Whalen[SMTP:mwhalen@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 10:12 AM >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Re: Question > > >I'm putting on my helmet and hiding under my desk. This one might not be >pretty. > >-matthew > >I think I heard Ornery on Friday say: >>Wednesday's sunshine was soo perfect riding around in my shorts, >>tanktop, and sandals... too bad they make us wear helmets here in this >>state.. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 11:10:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08437; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08848; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00853 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id LAA25157; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hrnexch1.eisi.com(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma025079; Fri, 17 Apr 98 11:08:33 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:10:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:10:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I assumed it meant "driving while Oriental." If thinking that ugly, negative racial stereotypes are offensive makes me the PC police, then so be it. (I don't think the person who said it had any negative intentions; in fact, one of the things I like about dc-cycles is that it's so free of that kind of stuff, compared to other lists I've participated in. That's why I mentioned it -- I'd hate to see that stuff be considered OK here, just because no one thought twice about what those kinds of comments really mean. 'nuff said.) --John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 10:30 AM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... > > > I'm still waiting for an answer from the PC police. What racial slur > has been interpretted(sp) from the seemingly harmless DWO? Write me > privately if you feel it will offend someone %{ > > Todd > > Forwarded message: > _________________________________________________________________ > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:50 -0400 (EDT) > From: Todd Peer > To: "Whiteside, John" > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... > > > Driving While Orange? What exactly does it sound like anyway? > > Down With Octagons? Don't Whack Otto? > > (all from a lesser imagination, mine) > > T > > Message-ID: > From: "Whiteside, John" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:26:28 -0400 > > I'm hoping it's not the nasty little racial slur that it sounds like. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MARKSOMM [SMTP:MARKSOMM@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 1998 11:55 AM > > To: mike@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... > > > > In a message dated 98-04-16 10:43:29 EDT, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > DWO????? > > > > > > > What does this stand for? > > > > Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 11:10:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08441; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08858; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00861 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD69F0.72395770@XXXXXX>; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:03:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'jlobrien@XXXXXX'" , "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:03:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah... I must say... I can definitely attest to that one!! ; ) -Tom (who always lets Jeannette lead) >---------- >From: sbeck@XXXXXX[SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 10:45 AM >To: jlobrien@XXXXXX >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? > > >then I had a couple guys follow me to a gas station & ask me >about my bike. Is this happening to everyone else? Does the warm >weather bring out the wanna-be motorcyclists? I almost felt like a damn >celebrity... ; ) > >Even though your hair was up, I suspect the hour glass shape of your torso >had a lot to do with the unusual interest you were receiving. 8-) > >Steve > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 11:17:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08517; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09081; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01127 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA24350 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:09:20 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:15:50 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:17:07 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: jkboyd@XXXXXX, gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire, Tires and More Tires -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Hey, as long as we're on a tire thread, does anyone have experience with non-radials like I have to use (Metzler ME33s/ME1s, Dunlop 591s) vs. the new radial stuff (MEZs, D205s). In other words, any tire difference between the "old" technology and the new? Joe '86 900 Ninja From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 11:19:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08530; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09104; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01148 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:17:57 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.77.125]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA17116 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:17:26 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980417111647.006c1af0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:16:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bogus flame bait Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Y'all-- I fell for that first mail about oil and replied to it. Got an undeliverable notice back. Hey, april fools was more than two weeks ago! Later kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 11:27:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08692; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09286; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01475 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id LAA13444; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35377514.52E2F94D@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:28:21 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Whiteside, John" CC: "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not to start a big "flame war" but if I had called the Salad person a "woman driver" would that have been as bad? I don't find the word "Oriental" to be a slur. There are good ways to talk about people, and there are bad ways to talk about people, there are also in-between ways, I think this was just in-between and should be taken witha grain of salt. I am NOT responsable for any of the first posts. Jay Whiteside, John wrote: > I assumed it meant "driving while Oriental." > > If thinking that ugly, negative racial stereotypes are offensive makes me > the PC police, then so be it. > > (I don't think the person who said it had any negative intentions; in fact, > one of the things I like about dc-cycles is that it's so free of that kind > of stuff, compared to other lists I've participated in. That's why I > mentioned it -- I'd hate to see that stuff be considered OK here, just > because no one thought twice about what those kinds of comments really mean. > 'nuff said.) > > --John Whiteside > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 10:30 AM > > To: dc-cycles > > Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... > > > > > > I'm still waiting for an answer from the PC police. What racial slur > > has been interpretted(sp) from the seemingly harmless DWO? Write me > > privately if you feel it will offend someone %{ > > > > Todd > > > > Forwarded message: > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:50 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Todd Peer > > To: "Whiteside, John" > > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... > > > > > > Driving While Orange? What exactly does it sound like anyway? > > > > Down With Octagons? Don't Whack Otto? > > > > (all from a lesser imagination, mine) > > > > T > > > > Message-ID: > > From: "Whiteside, John" > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... > > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:26:28 -0400 > > > > I'm hoping it's not the nasty little racial slur that it sounds like. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: MARKSOMM [SMTP:MARKSOMM@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 1998 11:55 AM > > > To: mike@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... > > > > > > In a message dated 98-04-16 10:43:29 EDT, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > > > DWO????? > > > > > > > > > > What does this stand for? > > > > > > Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 11:35:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08848; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09403; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01741 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id LAA27602; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hrnexch1.eisi.com(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma027489; Fri, 17 Apr 98 11:34:04 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:35:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'jay goddard'" , "Whiteside, John" Cc: "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:35:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I don't think it's saying someone is Asian -- I think it's the assumption that all Asians drive badly that's the problem, which is basically what the "driving while oriental" comment implies. --John > -----Original Message----- > From: jay goddard [SMTP:goddardj@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 11:28 AM > To: Whiteside, John > Cc: 'Todd Peer'; dc-cycles > Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... > > Not to start a big "flame war" but if I had called the Salad person a > "woman > driver" would that have been as bad? I don't find the word "Oriental" to > be a > slur. There are good ways to talk about people, and there are bad ways to > talk > about people, there are also in-between ways, I think this was just > in-between > and should be taken witha grain of salt. I am NOT responsable for any of > the > first posts. > > Jay > > Whiteside, John wrote: > > > I assumed it meant "driving while Oriental." > > > > If thinking that ugly, negative racial stereotypes are offensive makes > me > > the PC police, then so be it. > > > > (I don't think the person who said it had any negative intentions; in > fact, > > one of the things I like about dc-cycles is that it's so free of that > kind > > of stuff, compared to other lists I've participated in. That's why I > > mentioned it -- I'd hate to see that stuff be considered OK here, just > > because no one thought twice about what those kinds of comments really > mean. > > 'nuff said.) > > > > --John Whiteside > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 10:30 AM > > > To: dc-cycles > > > Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... > > > > > > > > > I'm still waiting for an answer from the PC police. What racial slur > > > has been interpretted(sp) from the seemingly harmless DWO? Write me > > > privately if you feel it will offend someone %{ > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > Forwarded message: > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:50 -0400 (EDT) > > > From: Todd Peer > > > To: "Whiteside, John" > > > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... > > > > > > > > > Driving While Orange? What exactly does it sound like anyway? > > > > > > Down With Octagons? Don't Whack Otto? > > > > > > (all from a lesser imagination, mine) > > > > > > T > > > > > > Message-ID: > > > From: "Whiteside, John" > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... > > > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:26:28 -0400 > > > > > > I'm hoping it's not the nasty little racial slur that it sounds like. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: MARKSOMM [SMTP:MARKSOMM@XXXXXX] > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 1998 11:55 AM > > > > To: mike@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... > > > > > > > > In a message dated 98-04-16 10:43:29 EDT, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DWO????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does this stand for? > > > > > > > > Mark > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 11:40:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08939; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09535; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01952 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 391; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:37:41 -0400 Message-ID: <35377797.2A5A0AFD@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:39:03 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Tracy Horstman Subject: Who leads whom? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, Yeah, I've been catching some flack in here and at home for my riding habits yesterday. I should have eased up a little bit sooner, I didn't realize the gravel would get to Tracy like it did (I guess I'm more used to it, since I ride that way home everyday). My bad. I did ease up when Tracy's headlight got out of sight for too long, but I probably still was too far ahead of her. Normally, when we both know where we're going, we do alternate who leads, especially on the highways. (There's nothing unpleasant at all about the rear-view of a woman on a motorcycle, eh Tom? :-) Tracy's Savage is aptly named for it's harsher ride sometimes, so I generally try to let her set the pace. The Savage also doesn't corner well, and it's tires are really showing signs of age (I've got to get them replaced real soon, another tire changing party anyone?), so I'm accustomed to leading when the roads get twisty - I've just never lead Tracy on a bike that corners as well as the Concours before!!! =8-> Oh well. This all worked out well anyway. Now we both realize that we want/need cb's, so it's just a mattter of smart shopping. Didn't take long to figure out a way to spend the tax refund (then again it never does... ;-) Regards, Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 11:41:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08952; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAB09568; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02044 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA13648; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:39:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA25235; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:39:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980417153936.BFZU5955@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:39:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Whiteside, John" CC: dc-cycles Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980417153936.BFZU5955@[166.41.242.141]> Interesting. I had never heard the term before now. I still didn't get it so I talked to Linda T. for clarity. Seems it has to do with the supposed bad driving habits of the Asian persuasion. Have to remember that one ;-) Todd John Whiteside wrote: >I assumed it meant "driving while Oriental." > >If thinking that ugly, negative racial stereotypes are offensive makes me >the PC police, then so be it. > If you think something is offensive, then I guess it is...for you. I didn't see any intent to harm with the original post. Perhaps you were/are just a little over-sensitive? Just a little? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 11:57:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09227; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10244; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02452 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-181.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.181]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA27286; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:01:03 -0400 Message-ID: <35377B73.32E8F573@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:55:31 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ornery on Friday CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Question References: <353760A0.3E336CD7@the.wheel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 'They' don't make you wear a helmet, you have that choice . . . and with an R1 'they' probably couldn't catch you to advise you of the fact that 'they' think you should wear one. Leon. - also smiling. PS.. don't waste your money on synthetic oil, a good friend of mine got more than 100K miles on his Yamaha Radian with the cheapest oil on sale at K-Mart. Your R1 is very unlikely to have a failure due to the type of oil in the crankcase. Ornery on Friday wrote: > Wednesday's sunshine was soo perfect riding around in my shorts, > tanktop, and sandals... too bad they make us wear helmets here in this > state.. > > Ralph From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 12:01:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09282; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10326; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02525 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA21007; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35377C07.517ABB7C@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:57:59 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Whiteside, John" CC: "'jay goddard'" , "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That reminds me of one of Andrew Dice Clay's little bits.... But I'm not going there even if someone payed me :) Well.. maybe if ya payed me he he Whiteside, John wrote: > > I don't think it's saying someone is Asian -- I think it's the assumption > that all Asians drive badly that's the problem, which is basically what the > "driving while oriental" comment implies. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 12:03:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09318; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10368; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02583 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA21798 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35377C5F.4DB5FDB5@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:59:27 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... References: <19980417153936.BFZU5955@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know anything about their driving, but the Asians make some damn fine motorcycles! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 12:13:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09516; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10530; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02916 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id AF764E6010E; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:12:38 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980417120757.00f75570@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:07:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Question In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D5E56F8@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Wednesday's sunshine was soo perfect riding around in my shorts, > tanktop, and sandals... too bad they make us wear helmets here in this > state.. > > Ralph Why wear more than a G-string? Seems like you're overdressed. And if you wear a full-face helmet, no one can see who you are. Unless you have other identifiable body parts, that is. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 12:13:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09514; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10534; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02920 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id AF734E6010E; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:12:38 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980417121054.00fa5850@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:10:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D5E56F9@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:28 AM 4/17/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Does the warm >weather bring out the wanna-be motorcyclists? Oh, yeah. Some with bikes and some without. One of my work colleagues called 911 on two squids on sport bikes on the 14th Street bridge - splitting lanes at high speed, slapping car mirrors and slapping car hoods. Ah, the sounds and scents of spring - loud pipes, racing engines, and the smell of calamari in the air. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 12:19:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09591; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10650; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03081 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id 1IZAa26970 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:17:54 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:17:54 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-04-17 10:57:49 EDT, you write: > > I'm still waiting for an answer from the PC police. What racial slur > has been interpretted(sp) from the seemingly harmless DWO? > Todd, To many people, Driving While Oriental first off stereotypes orientals as bad drivers. It also could refer to the practices of some police officers that allegedly target minorities for arrest and prosecution. This implies that these groups are less deserving of constitutional rights and stereotypes them as criminals. The comment clearly could be considered offensive whether it was meant that way or not. I started this by asking twice for clarification. I was hoping that the remark would be explained and perhaps an apology would be made to anyone that was offended inadvertently. I doubt that anyone here is mean enough to want to hurt people's feelings. Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 12:23:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09684; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10758; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs.umd.edu (known [164.117.17.90] [164.117.17.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03252 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:22:46 -0400 (EDT) From: MadDog@XXXXXX Message-Id: <199804171622.MAA03252@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> SUBJECT: DWO Die Yankee Dogs! I get in my Cerica Riftback and lun down two-wheerel loundeye From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 12:36:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09926; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11108; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com (known ngedns.northgrum.com [192.86.71.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03566 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgny003.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.161]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA16227; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGNY003 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2TMDJAX5>; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:34:02 -0400 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BE1@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles , "'Chris Norloff'" Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:33:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 12:10 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? > > At 10:28 AM 4/17/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > >Does the warm > >weather bring out the wanna-be motorcyclists? --snip-- > Ah, the sounds and scents of spring - loud pipes, racing engines, and the > smell of calamari in the air. > > Chris Norloff > To continue Chris' thought in a slightly different way ... There are riders that ride year round (like it seems a lot, maybe most, of us on this list are), and riders that are just coming out of "hibernation". Those can be anything from squids, to weekend warriors on Harleys. Either way, the point I would pass on is to remember that these folk's skills have regressed or deteriorated over the past several months of hibernation. With the MANY poker and charity runs coming up in the next few weekends, I would remind everyone to be especially careful in these group ride environments. I find most hibernating riders, get them selves back in shape by Memorial. day, and I rest a little easier then. YMMV, chris PS. If the increased # of bikes I've been seeing on the road this winter is any indication, we are in for a banner summer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 12:46:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10236; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11595; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03813 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:47:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: You'll love this one ... Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:47:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I'd like to be a cop just for one day just to catch those Aholes that throw cigarettes out the window! Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > And along those lines, if I were a cop (good thing I'm not) I'd have no > mercy for the parents that are neatly seatbelted in the front, while the > children are bouncing all over the rest of the car... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 12:55:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10553; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11807; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04240 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yQEP3-0004Xm-00; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:54:17 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:52:52 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D5E571B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Meier, Christopher'" , dc-cycles , "'Chris Norloff'" Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:53:51 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I've noticed that, too. I feel sorta proud that my first 8 months of riding were done during some of the "worst" times of the year...although this year was pretty damn mild!! I've been noticing the rapid proliferation of motorcyclists the past few weeks & keep saying to myself, "Hey, waitaminute!! Where was HE in January!!??" I guess I've become an elitist. ; ) > -----Original Message----- > From: Meier, Christopher [SMTP:MEIERCH@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 12:34 PM > To: dc-cycles; 'Chris Norloff' > Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? > > > ---------- > > From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 12:10 PM > > To: dc-cycles > > Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? > > > > At 10:28 AM 4/17/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > >Does the warm > > >weather bring out the wanna-be motorcyclists? > --snip-- > > Ah, the sounds and scents of spring - loud pipes, racing engines, > and the > > smell of calamari in the air. > > > > Chris Norloff > > > To continue Chris' thought in a slightly different way ... > > There are riders that ride year round (like it seems a lot, maybe > most, of > us on this list are), and riders that are just coming out of > "hibernation". > Those can be anything from squids, to weekend warriors on Harleys. > > > PS. If the increased # of bikes I've been seeing on the road this > winter is > any indication, we are in for a banner summer. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > -------- > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > -------- > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 13:18:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11072; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12088; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05236 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id NAA05364; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hrnexch1.eisi.com(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma005361; Fri, 17 Apr 98 13:17:29 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:19:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:19:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I've had this discussion with some of the fair-weather riders at work. Their general comment was, "it's not fun to be that cold." I understand that; I also understand that since I'm from New England, my definition of "cold" is probably different than theirs! I try not to get elitist about it; I think all of us have a point where the fun of riding is not worth the discomfort of cold, rain, heat, or whatever it is that we don't happen to like. For me heat is worse -- I'm not gonna ride without sufficient clothing, and if it's so hot that I'm gonna be a big sweaty mess when I get to work, I drive in my air conditioned truck, and take a ride after work when I can hop in the shower after. I figure life's too short to give people a hard time just because they have a different point where the trade-off isn't worth it. (Some of those people will ride on hot days in shirtsleeves; I guess they could argue that the risk is worth it to them. It's not for me, but who am I to tell them they are wrong? As long as they don't give me a hard time as I put on my leather jacket on a 90 degree afternoon for the ride home.) --John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 12:54 PM > To: 'Meier, Christopher'; dc-cycles; 'Chris Norloff' > Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? > > I've noticed that, too. I feel sorta proud that my first 8 months of > riding were done during some of the "worst" times of the year...although > this year was pretty damn mild!! I've been noticing the rapid > proliferation of motorcyclists the past few weeks & keep saying to > myself, "Hey, waitaminute!! Where was HE in January!!??" I guess I've > become an elitist. ; ) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 13:19:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11091; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12102; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05269 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:18:53 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:17:34 -0500 Received: from WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL [160.151.107.198] by dclink.com with smtp id ANBBBDGD ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:17:22 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:25:05 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd6a25$c33c8720$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Hey, wait a minute! I'm a fair weather rider!!!!! ;) Jay -----Original Message----- >From: jlobrien@XXXXXX To: Jaynik Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 2:10 PM Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? > >I've noticed that, too. I feel sorta proud that my first 8 months of >riding were done during some of the "worst" times of the year...although >this year was pretty damn mild!! I've been noticing the rapid >proliferation of motorcyclists the past few weeks & keep saying to >myself, "Hey, waitaminute!! Where was HE in January!!??" I guess I've >become an elitist. ; ) > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Meier, Christopher [SMTP:MEIERCH@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 12:34 PM >> To: dc-cycles; 'Chris Norloff' >> Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? >> >> > ---------- >> > From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >> > Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 12:10 PM >> > To: dc-cycles >> > Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? >> > >> > At 10:28 AM 4/17/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >> > >Does the warm >> > >weather bring out the wanna-be motorcyclists? >> --snip-- >> > Ah, the sounds and scents of spring - loud pipes, racing engines, >> and the >> > smell of calamari in the air. >> > >> > Chris Norloff >> > >> To continue Chris' thought in a slightly different way ... >> >> There are riders that ride year round (like it seems a lot, maybe >> most, of >> us on this list are), and riders that are just coming out of >> "hibernation". >> Those can be anything from squids, to weekend warriors on Harleys. >> >> >> PS. If the increased # of bikes I've been seeing on the road this >> winter is >> any indication, we are in for a banner summer. >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------ >> -------- >> Christopher A. Meier >> meierch@XXXXXX >> Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA >> 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------ >> -------- >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 13:21:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11106; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12125; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05294 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02233 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35378EF3.F9B6A65A@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:18:43 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: trace route Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I fess up.. I was the ornery one that tried to rile people up with the no gear , squidly R1 rider post, but I DID NOT post the Mad Dog comment... However, I think I have a pretty good idea who did it.. I'll confirm that when I get home where I don't have to fight around a firewall and I can use some more sophisticated IP sniffing software.. but you can figure it out by looking at the headers... doing a tracert, and then going into your trash folder with a text editor (assuming you never empty that folder like me...) then do a find on the text string... I'm not gonna tell who I think it was though... Just in case I'm wrong I don't want anyone pissed off at me... -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 13:37:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11301; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12375; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05758 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-181.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.181]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA30262 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:40:58 -0400 Message-ID: <353792DE.B7740E6A@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:35:26 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D5E571B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's worse than that. Wait until the end of June. Everyone has a bike in May, by the middle of June, the numbers are declining again. Although I think there are fewer bikers in February than in January. Normal people just don't ride in February . . . Didn't you meet Tom in February? Leon. O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > I've noticed that, too. I feel sorta proud that my first 8 months of > riding were done during some of the "worst" times of the year...although > this year was pretty damn mild!! I've been noticing the rapid > proliferation of motorcyclists the past few weeks & keep saying to > myself, "Hey, waitaminute!! Where was HE in January!!??" I guess I've > become an elitist. ; ) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Meier, Christopher [SMTP:MEIERCH@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 12:34 PM > > To: dc-cycles; 'Chris Norloff' > > Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 12:10 PM > > > To: dc-cycles > > > Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? > > > > > > At 10:28 AM 4/17/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > > >Does the warm > > > >weather bring out the wanna-be motorcyclists? > > --snip-- > > > Ah, the sounds and scents of spring - loud pipes, racing engines, > > and the > > > smell of calamari in the air. > > > > > > Chris Norloff > > > > > To continue Chris' thought in a slightly different way ... > > > > There are riders that ride year round (like it seems a lot, maybe > > most, of > > us on this list are), and riders that are just coming out of > > "hibernation". > > Those can be anything from squids, to weekend warriors on Harleys. > > > > > > PS. If the increased # of bikes I've been seeing on the road this > > winter is > > any indication, we are in for a banner summer. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > -------- > > Christopher A. Meier > > meierch@XXXXXX > > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > -------- > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 13:39:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11363; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12402; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05834 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yQF5n-00016H-00; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:38:27 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:37:03 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D5E5720@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Whiteside, John'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:38:02 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I totally agree with heat being worse. I am not a hot-weather person AT ALL and I totally hated riding on those steamy days back in August & September 'cause I won't go without my leathers. You only have one skin, right? I'd rather suffer than lose my skin, but being fair-skinned & red-headed makes the sun my definite enemy. Perhaps that's the reason I prefer the cold. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 1:19 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? > > > For me heat is worse -- I'm not gonna > ride without sufficient clothing, and if it's so hot that I'm gonna be > a big > sweaty mess when I get to work, I drive in my air conditioned truck, > and > take a ride after work when I can hop in the shower after. > > I figure life's too short to give people a hard time just because they > have > a different point where the trade-off isn't worth it. > > (Some of those people will ride on hot days in shirtsleeves; I guess > they > could argue that the risk is worth it to them. It's not for me, but > who am I > to tell them they are wrong? As long as they don't give me a hard time > as I > put on my leather jacket on a 90 degree afternoon for the ride home.) > > --John Whiteside > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 13:45:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11545; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12476; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06085 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id NAA05224; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:51:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:51:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: MARKSOMM cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: You'll love this one ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, MARKSOMM wrote: > > Todd, > > To many people, Driving While Oriental first off stereotypes orientals as bad > drivers. No, it doesn't. Now Latinos, on the other hand.... It also could refer to the practices of some police officers that > allegedly target minorities for arrest and prosecution. You got it. It's a sardonic riff on "DWI", used by some black folks as in "guilty of DWB". This implies that > these groups are less deserving of constitutional rights and stereotypes them > as criminals. > What? Where do you get that idea? > The comment clearly could be considered offensive whether it was meant that > way or not. I started this by asking twice for clarification. Break out the yak butter. I was hoping > that the remark would be explained and perhaps an apology would be made to > anyone that was offended inadvertently. I doubt that anyone here is mean > enough to want to hurt people's feelings. > Naaah, I am. Ask anyone. ---garcia "It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them." --Beaumarchais From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 13:59:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11941; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12724; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06737 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA25185 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:50:51 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:57:21 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:58:33 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline The last guy who gave me da business about wearing leathers in the summer got spit off his KZ 550 when it went into a 70mph death wobble because of his handlebar- mounted Rooster fairing complete with am/fm/cassette deck. We felt pretty bad visiting him in the hospital as he recounted trying to get his hands up on his helmet to keep them from grinding off. Don't mess with Karma. As for fair-weather riders, I'll take foot-paddling RUBs on Harleys over roasted Calamari anyday. At least the RUBs only hurt themselves (muffler burns when their Fringetail Classic falls over at the gas station). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 14:06:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12028; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13052; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07045 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:05:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: trace route Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:08:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Nah, you would be way off. Just use any good traceroute program to do a lookup on the "first" IP noted among the chain of IPs in the header of the message. Unless it was a really sophisticated spoofer (mine is not), or the spoofer is in an organization whose servers do not respond to lookup requests (I think mine will), etc. you will get the entire address back. The "mad dog" was another over-knowledgeable type, one of whose hats is keeping hackers out of his system, working for a DoD outfit. I'm surprised my organization let a spoofed SMTP-gram through. Confession and apologies: it was meant to be funny, and to point out the likelihood that the ornery character was a ruse. Tom Mersch > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 1:19 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: trace route > > Well, I fess up.. I was the ornery one that tried to rile people up with > the no gear , squidly R1 rider post, but I DID NOT post the Mad Dog > comment... However, I think I have a pretty good idea who did it.. I'll > confirm that when I get home where I don't have to fight around a > firewall and I can use some more sophisticated IP sniffing software.. > but you can figure it out by looking at the headers... doing a tracert, > and then going into your trash folder with a text editor (assuming you > never empty that folder like me...) then do a find on the text string... > I'm not gonna tell who I think it was though... Just in case I'm wrong > I don't want anyone pissed off at me... > -- > Collin T. Fagan > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 15:06:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13297; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14558; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08979 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA25836 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA32507 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980417190456.SWQI500@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:04:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Helmet - x9 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980417190456.SWQI500@[166.41.242.141]> Anyone know where I can try on an X9 this weekend? Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 18:24:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15940; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20121; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14414 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 319; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:19:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3537D5D3.20090091@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:21:07 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List CC: Horkster , Leon Begeman , Tracy Horstman , Ursulina Viteri , Chris Norloff , "Jeannette O'Brien" , Rich Horstman , Todd Peer , Tom Zell , Kevin Thomas , "Louis F. Caplan" , Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "Carver, John" , "Clark E. Dorman" , George Howell , Jay , Chris Meier , Sean Sullivan , Richard Westbrook Subject: RSVP's so far for the May 2nd Spring Fling Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay Boys and Girls, Here's who has replied so far: Leon, the estimable entertainment director, providing motorized fun and games (Leon, bringin your daughter?, any drink preferences?) Anita and Mark, BYOBing, Any soft drinks, bringing a 7 Layer Dip (yum!) George and Angie Ursulina, bringing Spanish Empanadas (! I wanna try these! ) Chris (Norloff), maybe with SO and 2 girls Todd, BYOB, Diet soft drinks, bringing something TBD Jeannette and Tom, Diet/Regular drinks, bringing dessert Clark and Heather, Diet/Regular drinks, bringing a self-described "Crab & Cheese Thingies" (Tracy likes you already! :-) NOTE: Clark is a lurker, and we are dragging him out into the light!!! All you other lurkers come out of the shadows too. All are welcome! :-) Sean and SO, $5 for Amsdel Light (OK by me!), bringing either Calzone or Cookies (what a choice, hmm.... :-) Kevin and Krista, Pepsi/Diet, bringing something TBD Richard (Westbrook), coke, bringing something TBD Jay, Niki and Alyssa (2 years old), Water/Dr. Pepper, bringing something TBD Chris (Meier) and Margaret, $5 for some kind of Dark Beer, Diet Coke, bringing something TBD John (Carver) and Monika(? Maybe), Diet soft drinks, bringing something TBD Possible show-up's (the 'definite maybe' crowd) include: Louis Jay's friend Alex & Laurie, & Adri (17 months old) And the lame washouts who are blowing us off for other things: Linda (I just had to pick on you for something! :-) Anyone got suggestions for the TBD's? Chips, Dips, maybe? I'll making Lasagna (meat and meatless) and Tracy is running the grill for dogs and burgers. I hope I didn't forget anyone who RSVP'ed yet. If so, just smack me offline! :-) Miss the original message? Need directions to my place? If so, check out these links, or email me. http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dc-rides.htm (Louis' DC Cycles Rides Page, scroll down for the party info) and http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dale/ (Directions to my place) (Thanks Todd and Louis for setting up the links/directions for me! You guys get the first plates of lasagna!) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 19:54:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16701; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21200; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15975 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server (client196-126-170.bellatlantic.net [151.196.126.170]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id TAA07024 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009901bd6a5b$c85abd40$aa7ec497@server> From: "Franz" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Summit Races (WERA) april 26 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:51:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0095_01BD6A3A.3FF1CAA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01BD6A3A.3FF1CAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is anyone planning on going to the WERA races on the 26? 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Is anyone planning on going to the = WERA races on=20 the 26?
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0095_01BD6A3A.3FF1CAA0-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 17 23:13:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18122; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25408; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18552 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-231.s231.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.231]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA15880 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35381A91.8C51C6F6@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:14:25 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc cycles Subject: Re: Summit Races (WERA) april 26 References: <009901bd6a5b$c85abd40$aa7ec497@server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why, Of course :) Bryan McCoy and I will always be at the races when they're in town... Transportation to the track TBD at this point... may even have a bike running by then.. CT > Franz wrote: > > Is anyone planning on going to the WERA races on the 26? > > > Franz > cbr 600 > -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 18 01:14:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19341; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 01:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA27319; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 01:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19828 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 01:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr42-dialup49.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0ERL00AAOFRDAN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 05:11:39 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:12:01 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Dial-a-jet To: Baltimore Cycle Club Cc: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <000a01bd6a02$6d7b06e0$714d37a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_MtMUNOQ8GGKEwYguT5bMJg)" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_MtMUNOQ8GGKEwYguT5bMJg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Anyone out there have any experience with the Dial-a-jet product? I'm looking at this and would like to know if it really works. Jon 92 FZR 600 --Boundary_(ID_MtMUNOQ8GGKEwYguT5bMJg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Anyone out there have any experience with the Dial-a-jet product?  I'm looking at this and would like to know if it really works.  
 
Jon
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--Boundary_(ID_MtMUNOQ8GGKEwYguT5bMJg)-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 18 02:33:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA19928; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA28701; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA20475 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.56] (unverified [207.226.128.56]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:24:43 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 02:27:29 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Yesterday riding home from work I got so much attention on my bike it >was weird. My hair was up, so I don't think it was 'cause I'm a girl, >either. I had one guy walk past & say, "Hey, got a wheelie in that >thing?" A couple other guys drove up next to me & queried me about my >miniceptor, then I had a couple guys follow me to a gas station & ask me >about my bike. Is this happening to everyone else? Does the warm >weather bring out the wanna-be motorcyclists? I almost felt like a damn >celebrity... ; ) Was at Circuit Shitty today (brother was getting a car stereo) and a guy with a Springer Softail was having trouble. He and I couldn't find the bad ground. He called a buddy. Nice to see more people out on the roads. But I can't help but think 'fair-weather biker'. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 18 02:35:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA19946; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA28711; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA20543 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.56] (unverified [207.226.128.56]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:32:43 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RSVP's so far for the May 2nd Spring Fling Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 02:35:28 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "horkster" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Anyone got suggestions for the TBD's? Chips, Dips, maybe? >I'll making Lasagna (meat and meatless) and Tracy is running >the grill for dogs and burgers. I'll probably try to help out in the burgers/dogs department. Atkins Diet doesn't leave much room for bread, pasta, rice, milk, and just about any food I love other than steak:) But, hopefully I'll be down about 20 lbs. by the spring thing. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 18 20:43:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26900; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06151; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00279 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA24108 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35397257.66A6@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:41:11 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Saturday Ride Report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings DC Guys and Gals, Following up on a Steve Beck suggestion, my daught and I went out to FFax SD to hook up with any others heading out to Winchester Indian for their open house. Got there right around 1000 hrs but no Steve Beck (!) In attendance when we departed 20 minutes later, in addition to us, were Todd, Zbigniew and Hank (of CAMS/orange helmet fame). I didn't pay much attention to where we were heading but the four bikes eventually made it out to Rte 606 for a bit of spirited riding and then through Purcellville, lunch stop somewhere in Winchester (Hoss's - last time I'll be there although the food was sort of OK) and then finally to the Indian/Motoguzzi shop. Lots of bikers showed up there and as soon as he spotted us Steve Beck took off (probably felt badly for making plans and then bailing ;) - with Dr. John and Bob Darden, who had his three wheeled Morris- bike engine powered whatever it was... (!) Well, I came out there for a reason so me and Todd signed up for a ride on the new Motoguzzi Centauro. (The little one sat pillion with me when it was my turn.) Interesting machine and VF fun! My thoughts: Lots of vibration under 4K. The whole bike seems to rattle - maybe this is a Motoguzzi trait - at low RPM, but it has a beautiful sound and lots of torque - compared to my VF700F. Todd disagreed on the latter point prolly 'cuz he has that mofo-torquey ST-1100 (!). Well, I was still impressed. Brakes were superb, lever placement very comfortable for me, shifting was precise even if a bit long for the throw. I know that bike would be awesome if we had space/distance to rev it around 7-8K Anyway, after Todd had his turn, we split via Rte 7. My total mileage was ~180. Good fun all in all, and it was nice to meet Zbig too. Laytray, -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 19 02:15:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29583; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA07866; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA03580 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p175.smart.net [206.97.127.175]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA24969; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:13:23 -0400 Message-ID: <353994DF.68D717B5@smart.net> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:08:34 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John C. Kozyn" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Report References: <35397257.66A6@mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saturday ride report????? Did I miss the notice that a group was going out today.....or are you guys just trying to keep me uninformed? Glad to hear you all had a good ride, but _please_, get the word out!!! Come to think of it, I do remember hearing something about Winchester Indian. Damn. John C. Kozyn wrote: > Greetings DC Guys and Gals, > > Following up on a Steve Beck suggestion, my daught and I went out to > FFax SD to hook up with any others heading out to Winchester Indian for > their open house. Got there right around 1000 hrs but no Steve Beck (!) > > In attendance when we departed 20 minutes later, in addition to us, were > Todd, Zbigniew and Hank (of CAMS/orange helmet fame). > > I didn't pay much attention to where we were heading but the four bikes > eventually made it out to Rte 606 for a bit of spirited riding and then > through Purcellville, lunch stop somewhere in Winchester (Hoss's - last > time I'll be there although the food was sort of OK) and then finally to > the Indian/Motoguzzi shop. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 19 02:19:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29595; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA07880; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA03638 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA28635; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 01:10:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-61.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.125) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028629; Sun Apr 19 01:10:45 1998 Message-ID: <3539BF5C.3B07@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:09:48 -0700 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xl-list@XXXXXX, Chad Ramsey , "Lori_P@XXXXXX" , novamgr@XXXXXX, Paula Shephard , Sharon Brown , xl-list@XXXXXX, tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX, Kim Schacter , "ivank@XXXXXX" , Harry Buchofer , gnissley@XXXXXX, Gerry McMahon , Dysart@XXXXXX, barry foust , awheat@XXXXXX, arlvaecc@XXXXXX, "acpd1@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Kim Schacter , David and Tammy , Benjamin & Casey Hawkins Subject: Saturdays Ride Inwood/Arlington/Mt Airy/Summit Point/Winch Indian and Groves HD dealer/Leesburg Police Poker Run Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very nice Round trip from Inwood , to Arlington , to Mount Airy Motorcycles and then country roads all the way to Winchester Indian. and back. All in all a 275 mile day;) Well I ended up going the oppsosite direction of most of you for this one, I started out in the Panhandle and took Rt 9 over the mountain at 0730 hours to meet at a group of 7 bikes at the Rt 29 Diner at Lee and Glebe in Arlington. From there it was up Glebe to Chain Bridge to the Parkway and then a few minutes of the Super Slab to Mt Airy Motorcycles. A harley Speed shop..As we left the Dyno Shootout , they had just run a very nice 1200 Sportster through with a 103 rear wheel Horsepower, and completely rideable. For how long would be another question;). Its a nice looking,very clean shop with all the metal cutting machines etc, one would expext from a race shop. But I boticed looking at the prices on the bits and pieces a little higher than average. Then took mostly back roads from their which eventually deposited us on 340 at the Potomac. Around Harpers Ferry and through Charlestown then started down old Rt 340. The road Captain had misssed the turn point for Summit Point, so I then took lead and got us back on RT 654 above Berryville, to a right on Rt. 653. Another quick right on 653 becomes Rt 632 right up to Rt 761. Righ on 761 takes you to Summit Point, Left on Rt761 heads west and eventually finds it s way to RT 11 omly about 2 or 3 miles North of Winchedter Indian. From there we ran down to Winchester Groves H-D and from there we split up, three of us Continued N on 11 and then East on RT 51 were I bailed out. (I had made this whole day suffering from a killer sinus infection and felt lucky just to complete the ridewithout getting dizzy and falling off ;).Wasnt sure I was going to last this long. Some others commpleted the trip into Northern Virginia back over the mountain (rt 9) trying to saty ahead of the rain. I hope everyone made it safely. On a personal note, didnt get to the Winchester dealer util right before three o'clock and our motley crew finished up the remaining Hot Dogs and would have killed for the soda, fortunately that wasnt necessary. Over 600 Dogs and Cups were distributed. Seems like a good turnout fo an off marque bike. I just wish they could drop the prices a couple grand, Oh Well. I live that Yellow Sport... And as everyone told me , "There was still no Polaris. I know I know, Im bunmmed too. Althou im looking for something less cruiser and more starndard/sport right now. I still would have loved seeing it. All in all a great day for riding, the weather did indeed decide to cooperate. Hope all of you had fun, and a great time, We will defintely have to do this again soon providing Mother Nature and the calendar cooperate. I think next large ride is The Leesburg Police Poker run in two weks which I will post again later for those that might have missed it. Will also try and get the post for the Law Ride itself parade down to the memorial on Sunday the 10th of May. A bit more solemn occasion. Well everybody Ride Safe and free, maybe they'll be something left to salvage out of the remainder of the weekend ;) Anyway Ride Safe and Free.... -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV Second Annual Leesburg Police Motorcycle Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics REGISTRATION AND START: 9AM - 11 AM at Ida Lee Recreation Center 50 Ida Lee Drive, N.W., Leesburg, VA 9:30 AM- Police Escort Leaves, Last Bike out at 11:00 AM Last Bike in at 3:00 PM Run Ends at Leesburg Police Department WHEN: Saturday May 9th, 1998 COST: $10.00 per hand (additional hands may be purchased) Includes 1 door prize ticket. (additional door prize tickets may be purchased for $1). Complimentary breakfast and lunch also included. PRIZES: Best Poker Hand- Weekend for two at Landsdowne Resort 2nd Best- 27" Maganavox Stereo TV from Leesburg Wal-Mart 3rd best- Portland VCR from Leesburg K-Mart La Toque Restaurant will be providing a complimentary bikers breakfast of homemade Donuts,Sausages,Green peppers, onions. Hog Wild Ribs will be providing a complimentary lunch of Barbecue Chicken, etc Door Prizes: $100.00 Gift Certificate-Winchesther Harley-Davidson $50.00 Gift Cert-Whitt's Harley Davidson $25.00 Gift Cert-Applebees $25.00 Gift Cert-Ruby Tuesdays $25.00 Gift Cert-Tractor Supply ????? $35.00 Gift Cert- Outback Steak house $20.00 Gift Cert-Don Pablos $50.00 Gift Cert-Del Rio Mexican Restaurant $30.00 Gift Cert-Johnsons Charcoal Beef House $100.00 Gift Cert-Banner Glass Dinner for 2- Green Tree Restaurant Lunch for 2- Colonial Inn Service Star 2 Cycle Weed Eater-J.T. Hirst Co. Lawn/Garden Battery or $40.00 Gift certificate-Battery Warehouse 2 Art Prints-Dick Kramer Studios 2 Free Oil Changes/Tire Rotations-Midas Muffler 1 Free Oil Change/Front End alignment-Catoctin Automotive From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 19 10:13:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01730; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10416; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06627 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA00331 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 09:10:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv1-20.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.52) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma000321; Sun Apr 19 09:10:19 1998 Message-ID: <353A2FCE.1034@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:09:34 -0700 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturdays Winchester open House/Mt Airy Dyno Shootoff/Ride Report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very nice Round trip from Inwood , to Arlington , to Mount Airy Motorcycles and then country roads all the way to Winchester Indian. and back. All in all a 275 mile day;) Well I ended up going the oppsosite direction of most of you for this one, I started out in the Panhandle and took Rt 9 over the mountain at 0730 hours to meet at a group of 7 bikes at the Rt 29 Diner at Lee and Glebe in Arlington. From there it was up Glebe to Chain Bridge to the Parkway and then a few minutes of the Super Slab to Mt Airy Motorcycles. A harley Speed shop..As we left the Dyno Shootout , they had just run a very nice 1200 Sportster through with a 103 rear wheel Horsepower, and completely rideable. For how long would be another question;). Its a nice looking,very clean shop with all the metal cutting machines etc, one would expext from a race shop. But I boticed looking at the prices on the bits and pieces a little higher than average. Then took mostly back roads from their which eventually deposited us on 340 at the Potomac. Around Harpers Ferry and through Charlestown then started down old Rt 340. The road Captain had misssed the turn point for Summit Point, so I then took lead and got us back on RT 654 above Berryville, to a right on Rt. 653. Another quick right on 653 becomes Rt 632 right up to Rt 761. Righ on 761 takes you to Summit Point, Left on Rt761 heads west and eventually finds it s way to RT 11 omly about 2 or 3 miles North of Winchedter Indian. From there we ran down to Winchester Groves H-D and from there we split up, three of us Continued N on 11 and then East on RT 51 were I bailed out. (I had made this whole day suffering from a killer sinus infection and felt lucky just to complete the ridewithout getting dizzy and falling off ;).Wasnt sure I was going to last this long. Some others commpleted the trip into Northern Virginia back over the mountain (rt 9) trying to saty ahead of the rain. I hope everyone made it safely. On a personal note, didnt get to the Winchester dealer util right before three o'clock and our motley crew finished up the remaining Hot Dogs and would have killed for the soda, fortunately that wasnt necessary. Over 600 Dogs and Cups were distributed. Seems like a good turnout fo an off marque bike. I just wish they could drop the prices a couple grand, Oh Well. I live that Yellow Sport... And as everyone told me , "There was still no Polaris. I know I know, Im bunmmed too. Althou im looking for something less cruiser and more starndard/sport right now. I still would have loved seeing it. All in all a great day for riding, the weather did indeed decide to cooperate. Hope all of you had fun, and a great time, We will defintely have to do this again soon providing Mother Nature and the calendar cooperate. I think next large ride is The Leesburg Police Poker run in two weks which I will post again later for those that might have missed it. Will also try and get the post for the Law Ride itself parade down to the memorial on Sunday the 10th of May. A bit more solemn occasion. Well everybody Ride Safe and free, maybe they'll be something left to salvage out of the remainder of the weekend ;) Anyway Ride Safe and Free.... -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV Second Annual Leesburg Police Motorcycle Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics REGISTRATION AND START: 9AM - 11 AM at Ida Lee Recreation Center 50 Ida Lee Drive, N.W., Leesburg, VA 9:30 AM- Police Escort Leaves, Last Bike out at 11:00 AM Last Bike in at 3:00 PM Run Ends at Leesburg Police Department WHEN: Saturday May 9th, 1998 COST: $10.00 per hand (additional hands may be purchased) Includes 1 door prize ticket. (additional door prize tickets may be purchased for $1). Complimentary breakfast and lunch also included. PRIZES: Best Poker Hand- Weekend for two at Landsdowne Resort 2nd Best- 27" Maganavox Stereo TV from Leesburg Wal-Mart 3rd best- Portland VCR from Leesburg K-Mart La Toque Restaurant will be providing a complimentary bikers breakfast of homemade Donuts,Sausages,Green peppers, onions. Hog Wild Ribs will be providing a complimentary lunch of Barbecue Chicken, etc Door Prizes: $100.00 Gift Certificate-Winchesther Harley-Davidson $50.00 Gift Cert-Whitt's Harley Davidson $25.00 Gift Cert-Applebees $25.00 Gift Cert-Ruby Tuesdays $25.00 Gift Cert-Tractor Supply ????? $35.00 Gift Cert- Outback Steak house $20.00 Gift Cert-Don Pablos $50.00 Gift Cert-Del Rio Mexican Restaurant $30.00 Gift Cert-Johnsons Charcoal Beef House $100.00 Gift Cert-Banner Glass Dinner for 2- Green Tree Restaurant Lunch for 2- Colonial Inn Service Star 2 Cycle Weed Eater-J.T. Hirst Co. Lawn/Garden Battery or $40.00 Gift certificate-Battery Warehouse 2 Art Prints-Dick Kramer Studios 2 Free Oil Changes/Tire Rotations-Midas Muffler 1 Free Oil Change/Front End alignment-Catoctin Automotive -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 19 11:16:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02110; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10574; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07001 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA22945 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:13:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-57.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.121) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma022836; Sun Apr 19 10:13:14 1998 Message-ID: <353A3E7C.4705@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:12:29 -0700 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OOps, sorry for the repost References: <353A2FCE.1034@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ooops sorry if that went out twice, brain wasnt exactly functioning last night. Not that thats anything unusual. Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 19 13:29:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01066; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01184; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01964 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.54] (unverified [207.226.128.54]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:26:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Saturdays Ride Inwood/Arlington/Mt Airy/Summit Point/Winch Date: Sun, 19 Apr 98 13:28:42 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Seems like a good >turnout fo an off marque bike. I just wish they could drop the prices a >couple grand, Oh Well. I live that Yellow Sport... And as everyone >told me , "There was still no Polaris. I know I know, Im bunmmed too. >Althou im looking for something less cruiser and more starndard/sport >right now. I still would have loved seeing it. Wait a little while, and chances are, one of the demos might be on a sale for a couple of grand off. Or not:) There's always hope. As for the Polaris... Saw it in Ohio this past February. Sat on it. Looks and feels fairly nice. There are a few niggling problems with the aesthetics. The primary cover has a HUGE and very tacky 'Victory' emblem engraved in it. I have a feeling it will be one of the first aftermarket pieces to come out. I really didn't like it. Engine looked nice, except that the tubes for the injectors (at least this is what I think they were. It's been a while. Two tubes, about 1/4" in diameter, parellel to each other, perpendicular to frame, between the V of the engine) stand out and are quite noticeable. Some kind of cover is in order. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 19 20:31:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05427; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA02793; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07617 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:29:16 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.76.28]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA27235; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:28:42 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980419202745.006c18b0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:27:45 -0400 To: shephar1@XXXXXX, xl-list@XXXXXX, Chad Ramsey , "Lori_P@XXXXXX" , novamgr@XXXXXX, Paula Shephard , Sharon Brown , xl-list@XXXXXX, tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX, Kim Schacter , "ivank@XXXXXX" , Harry Buchofer , gnissley@XXXXXX, Gerry McMahon , Dysart@XXXXXX, barry foust , awheat@XXXXXX, arlvaecc@XXXXXX, "acpd1@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 103 hp sporty, was re: Mt Airy/ Cc: Kim Schacter , David and Tammy , Benjamin & Casey Hawkins In-Reply-To: <3539BF5C.3B07@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ken-- Doug Fields' (of Battley Cycles) Dad rides a 90 rear wheel hp Sporty, ex-883 super twins racer, now 1200. It now looks completely stock, except Doug's homemade unbaffled megaphone. It used to be 100 hp, but he detuned it. Still runs octane boost or race gas, which isn't too inconvenient, 'cause Doug's Dad likes to ride out toward Norwalk Raceway from home near Cleveland for lunch. He just fills up at the track. Anyway, it seems quite reliable and streetable. So anyway, I don't know a lot about HDs, but there's my story. Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 19 20:52:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05594; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA02866; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07900 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA13265; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <353AC606.7DE1@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:50:30 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" Subject: Trident Points 4 Free Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, I was cleaning up downstairs and came across a set of points for a 69/70 Triumph Trident, which may or may not be OK for the BSA Rocket III also. These are not Lucas products, but Japanese aftermarket. (If anyone is on an appropriate Brit list of some kind, please feel free to pass this message along). Cost to you is free. Just send me a couple bucks for postage. I think I paid $25 ten years ago. I just hate to throw away perfectly good stuff... E-mail me privately please. -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 08:58:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11701; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08602; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17279 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A5DA50A01D0; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:55:57 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980420084513.00fd16c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:45:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Report In-Reply-To: <35397257.66A6@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:41 PM 4/18/98 -0700, John C. Kozyn wrote: >Bob Darden, who had his three wheeled Morris- bike >engine powered whatever it was... (!) A JZR. It's a Morgan "replica" that uses the engine and rear drive from a Honda CX500/650. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 09:39:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12084; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09446; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18062 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yRGkj-0005nO-00; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:36:57 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:35:24 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D5E573A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: First Pillion Experience... Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:36:28 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I finally did it after 8 months...I gave my first pillion ride Sunday, though not my original intent. Tom's bike wouldn't start & we wanted to go to Bob & Edith's for breakfast, so, after him saying, "Ok, you're driving & I'll hop on back..." amidst stunned silence from me...he hopped on back & off we went. Well, the slower corners were a bit shaky starting out due to the combined weight, but once we were up to speed I did fine! It was actually quite fun. We got an amused "Yo, man, look at that" from a couple teenagers on Columbia Pike and a few smiles...it must've looked funny with this big guy on the back of my bike, but other than that, I think I did pretty well! Now I'm ready to try my friend Jody who's been begging me since I got the bike to give her a ride. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 09:42:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12124; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09517; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18182 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:40:40 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565EC.004B2152 ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:40:37 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: jckozyn@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565EC.004740F5.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:40:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Following up on a Steve Beck suggestion, my daught and I went out to >FFax SD to hook up with any others heading out to Winchester Indian for their open house. >Got there right around 1000 hrs but no Steve Beck (!) I'm sorry John. I screwed up. Originally the idea for this ride was proposed by Stephen Lee, who is a CAMS member. And as it turns out, he doesn't subscribe to the DC Cycles list. When I replied to him, I inadvertently included the DC-Cycles address in my reply. The meeting time of 10:00 am was in place all the way up to 10:00 pm Friday evening. Then I received a call from Stephen Lee to let me know the meeting time was moved up to 8:00 am and that he was calling around to get the word out. I made the mistake of assuming that he was calling anyone that had responded to the message. So even though you had responded to the message, he never saw it and of course had no idea that you were planning to come. So you may ask yourself, what was the need to change the meeting time? Well here is where I get to shift all the blame to John Weinstein. He decided on Friday evening to come along and talked Stephen into moving the meeting time up two hours. >Lots of bikers showed up there and as soon as he spotted us Steve Beck >took off (probably felt badly for making plans and then bailing ;) - Yea I just wanted to crawl under a rock ;-) Actually, by the time you guys pulled in, we had been there for almost three hours and were ready to hit the road. Hey I've got an idea. Lets contact everyone going on the ATW tour except John W., and we'll all meet two hours early and leave without him. That will teach him! What do you think? ;-) Send me your home phone number John. At least the next time I'll be able to call you myself. Sorry again Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 09:52:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12234; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09615; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18358 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA26267; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA15340; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:49:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980420134924.ZCYL500@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:49:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980420134924.ZCYL500@[166.41.242.141]> >Jeannette wrote: >>Yesterday riding home from work I got so much attention on my bike it >>was weird. My hair was up, so I don't think it was 'cause I'm a girl, >>either. I had one guy walk past & say, "Hey, got a wheelie in that >>thing?" A couple other guys drove up next to me & queried me about my >>miniceptor, then I had a couple guys follow me to a gas station & ask me >>about my bike. Is this happening to everyone else? Does the warm >>weather bring out the wanna-be motorcyclists? I almost felt like a damn >>celebrity... ; ) > >George Howell wrote: >Was at Circuit Shitty today (brother was getting a car stereo) and a guy >with a Springer Softail was having trouble. He and I couldn't find the >bad ground. He called a buddy. Nice to see more people out on the roads. >But I can't help but think 'fair-weather biker'. My neighbor, who occassionally rides a little sportster, asked me if I was planning to go and have my bike blessed on Sunday. This apparently is some sort of ritual for the off season bikers and marks the *beginning* of the riding season! When did it end? I told her that I ride with the devil and probably wouldn't make it, and was she going? She pointed to the sky (a little cloudy) and said she won't ride in this weather!? I'm beginning to understand now that some of these Harley riders really don't spend hours polishing and buffing to keep all that chrome shiny, but instead just ride when there isn't a spec of pollution in the air to muff it all up! Jeez. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 10:06:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12434; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10010; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18893 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA19329 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:03:43 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:03:43 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:05:58 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 14 TEXT >... She pointed to the sky (a little cloudy) and said >she won't ride in this weather!? I'm beginning to understand now that >some of these Harley riders really don't spend hours polishing and >buffing to keep all that chrome shiny, but instead just ride when there >isn't a spec of pollution in the air to muff it all up! Jeez. OTOH - there's the story of the guy riding a real "Rat Bike" when told that his bike looked like it was "rode hard and put away wet", responded "Ain't never been put away" My hero Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 10:21:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12686; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10405; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail3.geocities.com [209.1.224.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19427 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA28189; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <353B58CB.F8E0F5BF@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:16:43 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? References: <19980420134924.ZCYL500@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > I'm beginning to understand now that > some of these Harley riders really don't spend hours polishing and > buffing to keep all that chrome shiny, but instead just ride when there > isn't a spec of pollution in the air to muff it all up! Jeez. The thing I've always found funny/interesting, is that all these fair weather rriders..especially the HD riders can never figure out why they have so many more maintenance problems than us year round types...Guess they just don't understand that seals don't dry out and leak when used daily, batteries last longer when constantly cycled, etc. etc...And I can't even fathom having to change a tire based on dry rot instead of wear :) (unless it was already rotten when I got it..) CT From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 10:54:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13179; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11604; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20444 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA12121; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA27702; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA05587; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:51:30 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA05584; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:51:29 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6C31.1D485980@XXXXXX>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:51:23 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:46:34 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 43 TEXT Hmm, getting the bike blessed? And I thought I was a little weirdo getting my best friend's brother that's a Priest to bless a St. Christopher's medal for me to hang on my bike's keychain. Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, April 20, 1998 6:45 AM >To: George Howell >Cc: O'Brien, Jeannette; dc-cycles >Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? > >>Jeannette wrote: >>>Yesterday riding home from work I got so much attention on my bike it >>>was weird. My hair was up, so I don't think it was 'cause I'm a girl, >>>either. I had one guy walk past & say, "Hey, got a wheelie in that >>>thing?" A couple other guys drove up next to me & queried me about my >>>miniceptor, then I had a couple guys follow me to a gas station & ask me >>>about my bike. Is this happening to everyone else? Does the warm >>>weather bring out the wanna-be motorcyclists? I almost felt like a damn >>>celebrity... ; ) >> >>George Howell wrote: >>Was at Circuit Shitty today (brother was getting a car stereo) and a guy >>with a Springer Softail was having trouble. He and I couldn't find the >>bad ground. He called a buddy. Nice to see more people out on the roads. >>But I can't help but think 'fair-weather biker'. > >My neighbor, who occassionally rides a little sportster, asked me if >I was planning to go and have my bike blessed on Sunday. This apparently >is some sort of ritual for the off season bikers and marks the *beginning* >of the riding season! When did it end? > >I told her that I ride with the devil and probably wouldn't make it, >and was she going? She pointed to the sky (a little cloudy) and said >she won't ride in this weather!? I'm beginning to understand now that >some of these Harley riders really don't spend hours polishing and >buffing to keep all that chrome shiny, but instead just ride when there >isn't a spec of pollution in the air to muff it all up! Jeez. > >Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 11:07:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13392; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12133; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20818 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD6C4B.4DBD23B0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:58:51 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Baltimore Cycle Club'" , "'Dawn & Jon'" Cc: "'DC Cycle Club'" Subject: RE: Dial-a-jet Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:58:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had one on a KZ1000.... made the bike run rather poorly... I didn't like it so I wouldn't be one to recommend it. Get a REAL jet kit and be done with it. -Tom '86 VFR750 >---------- >From: Dawn & Jon[SMTP:dawn.jon@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 9:12 AM >To: Baltimore Cycle Club >Cc: DC Cycle Club >Subject: Dial-a-jet > ><> >Anyone out there have any experience with the Dial-a-jet product? I'm >looking at this and would like to know if it really works. > >Jon >92 FZR 600 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 11:11:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13449; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12267; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20957 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD6C4B.E7466820@XXXXXX>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:03:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" Subject: RE: First Pillion Experience... Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:03:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I must say that it was a pleasure being a pillion for Jeannette.... I think this was the first time that I've ever rode pillion with someone and NOT been scared shitless due to excessive amounts of testosterone! : ) -Tom >---------- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, April 20, 1998 9:36 AM >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: First Pillion Experience... > >I finally did it after 8 months...I gave my first pillion ride Sunday, >though not my original intent. >Tom's bike wouldn't start & we wanted to go to Bob & Edith's for >breakfast, so, after him saying, "Ok, you're driving & I'll hop on >back..." amidst stunned silence from me...he hopped on back & off we >went. Well, the slower corners were a bit shaky starting out due to the >combined weight, but once we were up to speed I did fine! It was >actually quite fun. We got an amused "Yo, man, look at that" from a >couple teenagers on Columbia Pike and a few smiles...it must've looked >funny with this big guy on the back of my bike, but other than that, I >think I did pretty well! Now I'm ready to try my friend Jody who's been >begging me since I got the bike to give her a ride. > >- Jeannette > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 13:46:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15466; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17888; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27316 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:08:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: FYI Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:08:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Posted on another list, I thought I'd send it along. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna For all those who use the engine treatments like Prolong, Slick 50, etc., here is an interesting article about Slick 50 if you are interested: http://members.xoom.com/tort/slick50.htm Basically, they got in some trouble from the government for making loads of false claims about Slick 50. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 13:46:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15470; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17917; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27358 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:46:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:46:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Ok, I got to jump in on this one. I guess I'm kinda a fair weather rider. I've had my bike since 1988 and put approximately 23,000 miles on it since purchase. As for maintenance problems, I haven't had *ANY* except for batteries and one of them I cooked myself for letting it go dry. Hopefully I've solved my battery dilemma with the purchase of the battery tender and keeping a sharper eye on the water level. I also don't have any problems with tires. My bike doesn't sit in the sun so dry rot doesn't happen. And of course it is a Honda, not a Harley. ;-) Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > The thing I've always found funny/interesting, is that all these fair > weather rriders..especially the HD riders can never figure out why they > have so many more maintenance problems than us year round types...Guess > they just don't understand that seals don't dry out and leak when used > daily, batteries last longer when constantly cycled, etc. etc...And I > can't even fathom having to change a tire based on dry rot instead of > wear :) (unless it was already rotten when I got it..) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 13:57:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15678; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18240; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27894 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p207.smart.net [206.97.127.207]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA31804 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:56:27 -0400 Message-ID: <353B8B27.76BDE18E@smart.net> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:51:37 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Rejetting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've never done any carb work, but am planning to rejet..... To anybody with experience in this kind of work: if you were in my shoes, would you learn to do the work yourself, or pay a shop +/-$200 to do it? That price includes installation of new pipe. TIA. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 14:06:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15824; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18414; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28173 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id MAA17188; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <353B7CC3.B626CE0C@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:50:11 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "cbxturbo@XXXXXX" Subject: COOL Bikes For Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am posting these for a friend of mine they are both increbible bikes, they are flawless!! 1982 Yamaha Seca Turbo, 17k miles, one owner, MUST SEE, Corbin Solo seat. show cond, never seen rain, with complete spare bike and original perfect seat. $3350/ofr 202-966-0889 e-mail cbxturbo@XXXXXX 1979 Triumph Bonneville, Blue/Silver, 10k miles, winner at British Motorcycle Day. Stock, as NEW. $4450/ofr 202-966-0889 e-mail: cbxturbo@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 15:13:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16945; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19422; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00722 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA02393; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA23435; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:11:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980420191150.CWZT500@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:11:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Thomas H. Gimer" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rejetting X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980420191150.CWZT500@[166.41.242.141]> Tom Gimer wrote: >I've never done any carb work, but am planning to rejet..... > >To anybody with experience in this kind of work: if you were in my >shoes, would you learn to do the work yourself, or pay a shop >+/-$200 to do it? That price includes installation of new pipe. Tom, I *always* think I can do at least as good a job on my own bike as a dealer. Sometimes I'm right ;-) The only major work I've let a dealer perform on any of my bikes has been a tire change and one 600m maintenance. I know how to change my tires now and what goes into that maintenance, so I won't be back. However, there have been times that I wished to god I would have taken the som'bitch in and let someone else stress over it (anyone remember my stripped cam-sprocket bolt?). Ultimately though, I've been able to build up a fairly decent tool set, learned alot of what works and what doesn't and now go after any challenge knowing I can finish the work. Here is what you should consider before beginning this task. If you can't answer affirmatively to these questions, you might be better off spending the $$$; - Do you have the time to do the work and NOT be rushed? - Do you have the proper tools? - If you don't have a shop/garage, do you have a comfortable area to work? - Do you have a real desire to know more about your bike? Good luck! Todd btw if the pipe is just a slip on, do it yourself...easy! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 15:58:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17734; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20511; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02617 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA10007 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:49:56 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:56:21 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:57:26 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX Subject: Rejetting -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline How much are you worth per hour? If you're worth ten bucks an hour, and it takes you 20 hours (quite possible with jetting), it might be worth it to you to take it to the dealer. But if you really want to learn to do it, you should do it yourself. Time or money? Life is full of trade-offs. >>> "Thomas H. Gimer" - 4/20/98 1:51 PM >>> I've never done any carb work, but am planning to rejet..... To anybody with experience in this kind of work: if you were in my shoes, would you learn to do the work yourself, or pay a shop +/-$200 to do it? That price includes installation of new pipe. TIA. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 17:41:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19900; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22594; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06419 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p207.smart.net [206.97.127.207]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06808 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:40:29 -0400 Message-ID: <353BBFA8.B64FE57D@smart.net> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:35:39 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Shoei Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got back from a 100 mile or so ride with my new helmet, a Shoei RF800, and I am stunned. I've been riding the last 4 years with an HJC and the difference between the two helmets is unbelievable. All noise is reduced _drastically_ (can barely hear the bike or wind...can hear music crystal clear); field of vision is definitely increased; weight is clearly reduced. If you are like me and have never invested more than $130 in a helmet, do yourself a favor and see what an improvement an extra $80 will do for your riding experience. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 20:38:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21982; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24386; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10131 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA21708; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <353C1467.3AF1@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:37:11 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sbeck@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Report References: <852565EC.004740F5.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm sorry John. I screwed up. Originally the idea for this ride was > proposed by Stephen Lee, who is a CAMS member. And as it turns out, he > doesn't subscribe to the DC Cycles list. When I replied to him, I > inadvertently included the DC-Cycles address in my reply. --> snippage <-- Hey Steve, I was basically razzing you a bit, but no biggy ;) BTW, I am in on one of your rides to the Hagerstown dirt-track-HD-750-type races this summer though! John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 20:48:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA22093; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24472; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10328 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA22075; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <353C16D1.774@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:47:29 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" CC: dc-cycles Subject: RE: ..Warm Weather? [No Moto Content] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: "Viteri, Ursulina" > Hmm, getting the bike blessed? And I thought I was a little weirdo > getting my best friend's brother that's a Priest to bless a St. > Christopher's medal for me to hang on my bike's keychain. Whoa Ursulina... Guess you didn't hear of the Vatican's pronouncement several years ago. The Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith removed good ole' St Chris from the Saints' List (no listserv to subscribe to AFAIK ;) They decided he was mythology and could not be substantiated - St. Valentine too BTW (!) And you're no weirdo. I have a medal of Our Lady of Perpetual Help on my keychain. Works for me - YMMV. As for you non-Catholics, keep your remarks to yourselves please ;^P J (defying any and all stereotyping) K "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 21:45:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22729; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25209; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.39]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11459 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id 1MPGa06441; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:43:12 +2000 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: <34e62f9b.353bf9b3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:43:12 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: MAY 1st & 2nd Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Im off these two days and Im looking to go riding with a group if weather permits. I live in the annapolis area but will hook up with anyone from the dc or balt area. Please let me know if anyone is interested. Sean P. Ride Free! 93 CBR600F2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 23:48:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24506; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26171; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13831 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.66] (unverified [205.177.250.66]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:45:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Rejetting Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 23:48:20 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Thomas H. Gimer" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >To anybody with experience in this kind of work: if you were in my >shoes, would you learn to do the work yourself, or pay a shop >+/-$200 to do it? That price includes installation of new pipe. Bear in mind that I've never done it (pipe or jetting change)... First, is it worth it? Are you looking for more power? Is the pipe just going to increase the peak at the expense of the midrange? If I were in the market, several of the pipe companies recommend what changes in jetting to do. I'd lean in this direction. Finally, I'd make sure the shop had a dyno, and was making a real effort at earning my money. Playing by the seat of the pants isn't worth $200, and can be wildly inaccurate. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 23:48:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24507; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26167; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13824 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.66] (unverified [205.177.250.66]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:45:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Alternate Memorial Day plans Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 23:48:10 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" For those folks (like me:( who won't be heading down to Deal's Gap Memorial Day weekend, is anyone interested in doing the Ride to the Wall? ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 20 23:48:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24516; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26175; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13835 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.66] (unverified [205.177.250.66]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:45:46 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: First Pillion Experience... Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 23:48:24 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Now I'm ready to try my friend Jody who's been >begging me since I got the bike to give her a ride. Not my choice of roads for a first pillion experience. I've successfully carted three people about. SWMBO has had a few thousand miles behind me, brother and I did two 25 mile stints this past weekend (VERY frightening. Left my apartment with the preload set for where Angie and I have it. My brother is about 100 lbs heavier, making for some interesting going when I decided to show him how much fun lane splitting is. Pulled over very fast and clicked the preload way up) and finally my father, the world's worst passenger. Bad posture, and sorta drooped over me, even though he had the topbox of a loaner K100LT to lean on (we had our bikes serviced at the same time). It can be a lot of fun. Once you get the hang of it, you'll see how much easier it is to drag pegs (or floorboards. Found out today that the Wing is WAY too easy to drag parts with:) I'd suggest spending an afternoon with you and Tom riding pillion behind the other, while making various emergency stops, swerves, etc. Most valuable time you'll have spent since the MSF course. And you probably oughta both do the same on the other's bike. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 21 00:23:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25537; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28613; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14574 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.177.250.66] (unverified [205.177.250.66]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:20:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Motorcycle Consumer News Date: Tue, 21 Apr 98 00:23:22 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" When is the last time someone got an issue of this? I subscribed at the Ohio Cycle World show, and haven't gotten my first issue yet. I figured I would miss one or two, but certainly the third issue should be in my mailbox. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 21 00:28:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25569; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28923; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14638 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-21.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.62]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA10260 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:27:30 -0400 Message-ID: <061d01bd6cdd$f105bfe0$3e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Ahhh, the glow of a vigilante 'thanks'; + Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:28:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 o First, the dirty grey 16' box truck cut me off on the inside as I was signalling for a left (one way to one way). There was a tad of spare room there, and the son of a gun burrowed right in next to my blinking signal light as he turned inside me. Then, at the next corner, he makes another left -- from mid street, no signal. Outrageous, I thought, the two sins worthy of some notice. Did he know of the stirring indignities posted here week in and week out? And he must have forgotten (brain dead?) about the "How am I driving" 800 number with id on the truck back. Looked at my watch. If I can just get to a pay phone while the numbers stick . . . ahhh, made it. The lady was cordial, the call quick (please, I'm not parked well). She was very appreciative because the same truck had been called in minutes earlier -- I fantasized of a great public service being done here, preventing immense catastrophe and loss of life. Anyway, it felt so good when done. First time lifetime. Ahhh, another small cherishable. Of course am crazy to learn subsequents, but never will. o *I* LOL'd at the Ally McBeal flea joke tonight (MC content). o Took some issue with the Post "For Bikers, a Blessing and Some Beer" story this a.m. I'll say fair when they headline the hops quaffed by the Marathon runners or Whitbread sailors. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-04/20/086l-042098-idx.html Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 21 01:02:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25800; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29326; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15250 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id 9AEPa04057; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:59:48 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: <7e5e3eef.353c27c6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:59:48 EDT To: mobacc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Ahhh, the glow of a vigilante 'thanks'; + Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 In a message dated 98-04-21 00:35:16 EDT, mobacc writes: << Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. >> I second that... and add my two cents: Join ABATE and protect all motorcyclists Dedicated to Responsible Motorcycle Legistature Let those who Ride Decide. Sean P. Ride Free! 93 CBR600F2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 21 01:19:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25981; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29788; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15456 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:18:07 -0400 (EDT) From: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from nt_thetrick (tc1-s27.wizard.net [206.161.15.57]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA31885 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:18:03 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980421011623.00969a50@mail.wizard.net> X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:16:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: licensed! (finally) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" greetings all. this weekend i took the MSF course at NVCC Alexandria. it was quite enjoyable, and i learned a heck of a lot. i would really recommend it to anyone that wants to learn how to ride. they really do teach you how to ride, and more importantly, how little you know. today i went and got my license, and also got my insurance squared away so tomorrow i am riding! i am going to head out westward (i live in arlington) to find some less crowded roads that i can practice on. thanks to everyone here who has helped me. Tom p.s. looking ahead, i'm interested in finding a good project bike to work on over the summer and next winter. so if anyone knows of an old ducati, moto guzzi, or large displacement japanese bike (a CBX would be really cool) that needs some attention, please, let me know. TIA. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 21 08:34:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29190; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03913; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19918 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A201229017C; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:33:05 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980421082733.00ebe930@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:27:33 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Ahhh, the glow of a vigilante 'thanks'; + In-Reply-To: <061d01bd6cdd$f105bfe0$3e10b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:28 AM 4/21/98 -0400, mobacc wrote: >Then, at the next corner, he makes another left -- from mid street, no >signal. Outrageous, I thought, the two sins worthy of some notice. Did he >know of the stirring indignities posted here week in and week out? > >And he must have forgotten (brain dead?) about the "How am I driving" 800 >number with id on the truck back. Looked at my watch. If I can just get to >a pay phone while the numbers stick . . . ahhh, made it. >... >Anyway, it felt so good when done. First time lifetime. Ahhh, another >small cherishable. Of course am crazy to learn subsequents, but never will. Good on you! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 21 08:34:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29194; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03915; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19916 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA17217 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 21 Apr 1998 05:32:14 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 21 Apr 1998 05:32:14 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Shoei Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 05:34:28 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 9 TEXT >All noise is reduced _drastically_ (can barely hear the bike or >wind...can hear music crystal clear); Strange, I don't hear music in mine, but otherwise I agree that it is one quiet puppy Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 21 08:59:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29463; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04079; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20313 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id IAA22315; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hrnexch1.eisi.com(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma022255; Tue, 21 Apr 98 08:57:29 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:57:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'George Howell'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Motorcycle Consumer News Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:57:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I got the latest one 2 or 3 weeks ago. John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS International Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 12:23 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Motorcycle Consumer News > > When is the last time someone got an issue of this? I subscribed at the > Ohio Cycle World show, and haven't gotten my first issue yet. I figured I > would miss one or two, but certainly the third issue should be in my > mailbox. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > -George Howell AMA#553567 > ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 > georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 21 09:37:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29955; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04732; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21142 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yRdC2-0001fo-00; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:34:38 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:32:58 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D5E5757@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Whiteside, John'" , "'George Howell'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Motorcycle Consumer News Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:34:04 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Me too. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 8:57 AM > To: 'George Howell'; DC Cycles > Subject: RE: Motorcycle Consumer News > > I got the latest one 2 or 3 weeks ago. > > John Whiteside > Marketing Specialist > EIS International > Phone: (703) 326-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > http://www.eisi.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 12:23 AM > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: Motorcycle Consumer News > > > > When is the last time someone got an issue of this? I subscribed at > the > > Ohio Cycle World show, and haven't gotten my first issue yet. I > figured I > > would miss one or two, but certainly the third issue should be in my > > > mailbox. > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > -George Howell AMA#553567 > > ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 > > georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 21 09:52:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00182; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04922; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21593 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA12853 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:43:10 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:49:33 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:50:47 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycle Consumer News -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline My last issue is dated April 6, can't remember when it arrived. >>> George Howell - 4/21/98 12:23 AM >>> When is the last time someone got an issue of this? I subscribed at the Ohio Cycle World show, and haven't gotten my first issue yet. I figured I would miss one or two, but certainly the third issue should be in my mailbox. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 21 10:08:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00442; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05301; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22026 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA04130; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA20171; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:05:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980421140510.BEOP5781@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:05:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: CloudsAbv9 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MAY 1st & 2nd X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980421140510.BEOP5781@[166.41.242.141]> May 2!!! That's the DC-Cycles SpringFling at the Horstmans Directions: http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dale/ Starts at 5pm T From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: <34e62f9b.353bf9b3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:43:12 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MAY 1st & 2nd Im off these two days and Im looking to go riding with a group if weather permits. I live in the annapolis area but will hook up with anyone from the dc or balt area. Please let me know if anyone is interested. Sean P. Ride Free! 93 CBR600F2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 21 10:16:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00637; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05431; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22419 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yRdp5-0005vF-00; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:14:59 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:13:21 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D5E575D@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'George Howell'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: First Pillion Experience... Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:14:27 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks for the advice. Those sound like really good ideas. I'm actually signed up for the experienced rider course in June, is anyone else signed up? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, April 20, 1998 11:48 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: First Pillion Experience... > > > I'd suggest spending an afternoon with you and Tom riding pillion > behind > the other, while making various emergency stops, swerves, etc. Most > valuable time you'll have spent since the MSF course. And you probably > > oughta both do the same on the other's bike. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > -George Howell AMA#553567 > ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 > georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 21 10:22:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00717; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05656; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22538 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA24930; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:20:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA00802; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:20:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980421142011.BHOR5781@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:20:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Alternate Memorial Day plans X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980421142011.BHOR5781@[166.41.242.141]> George Howell wrote: >For those folks (like me:( who won't be heading down to Deal's Gap >Memorial Day weekend, is anyone interested in doing the Ride to the Wall? Otherwise known as "overheat your bike day". There is one event those of you silly enough not to attend the ride to Deal's Gap might want to check out though. It's the annual Memorial Day bike show and bash at the Crow Bar. They block off the street at both ends and put on a pretty good time. Lot's of HD types and plenty of beer. They usually have a good band too (last year was Rick Deringer(sp)) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 21 10:22:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00721; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05650; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22540 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA11627; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA01242; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:20:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980421142012.BHOT5781@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:20:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Motorcycle Consumer News X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980421142012.BHOT5781@[166.41.242.141]> George Howell wrote: >When is the last time someone got an issue of this? I subscribed at the >Ohio Cycle World show, and haven't gotten my first issue yet. I figured I >would miss one or two, but certainly the third issue should be in my >mailbox. Call the assistant circulation manager, MR. J.R. Juiliano at 714.855.8822. This past issue (apr 98) had a blip about mailing labels falling off and that people were not receiving their copies. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 21 11:52:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02311; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09751; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25692 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA13614; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:50:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA21049; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:50:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980421155016.MUMZ20014@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:50:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: MAY 1st & 2nd X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980421155016.MUMZ20014@[166.41.242.141]> Actually, I was thinking of doing that open house in Fredrick, MD. Does someone have the info on that, I blasted it to mere bits? Todd ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, but it is not till 5pm. :-) I might be up for getting a couple 'o hundred miles under my belt before showing up for the lasagna. Hey Dale, why don't you ask Tracy if you can come with us? :-) --chris (ducking for cover ...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Subject: Re: MAY 1st & 2nd > > > May 2!!! That's the DC-Cycles SpringFling at the Horstmans > > Directions: http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dale/ > > Starts at 5pm > > T > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 21 12:39:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03382; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11627; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (known sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27686 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA05073; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 07:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA24247; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 07:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 07:58:20 -0700 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BFA@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: MAY 1st & 2nd Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 07:58:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, but it is not till 5pm. :-) I might be up for getting a couple 'o hundred miles under my belt before showing up for the lasagna. Hey Dale, why don't you ask Tracy if you can come with us? :-) --chris (ducking for cover ...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Subject: Re: MAY 1st & 2nd > > > May 2!!! That's the DC-Cycles SpringFling at the Horstmans > > Directions: http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dale/ > > Starts at 5pm > > T > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 21 13:18:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04081; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12258; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29049 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6D27.989CD8D0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:15:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Cc: Subject: RE: MAY 1st & 2nd Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:15:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 52 TEXT No, Dale can't come out and play that day. He has a house to clean, dishes to do, etc. Plus offspring #1 has a softball game early afternoon. So, Dale, I know you're out there - don't even bother whinning about this -- it just isn't going to happen. ---------- From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 11:43 AM To: Meier, Christopher Cc: 'dc-cycles' Subject: RE: MAY 1st & 2nd Actually, I was thinking of doing that open house in Fredrick, MD. Does someone have the info on that, I blasted it to mere bits? Todd ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, but it is not till 5pm. :-) I might be up for getting a couple 'o hundred miles under my belt before showing up for the lasagna. Hey Dale, why don't you ask Tracy if you can come with us? :-) --chris (ducking for cover ...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Subject: Re: MAY 1st & 2nd > > > May 2!!! That's the DC-Cycles SpringFling at the Horstmans > > Directions: http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dale/ > > Starts at 5pm > > T > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 21 14:31:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05232; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13438; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01233 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05698 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:29:49 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:29:49 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: AARRRRRGH!!! (not moto related) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:32:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 10 TEXT I just listened to customer service person at Fidelity Investments make reference to a "Personal PIN Number" today. Was all I could do not to shout at her over the phone Still makes my teeth hurt just thinking about it. Thanks for listening and being there for me, Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 21 14:56:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05809; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14111; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known lds96.com [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02139 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD6D34.8C269E30@XXXXXX>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:48:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'tgimer@XXXXXX'" , "'JOE NAGY'" Subject: RE: Rejetting -Reply Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:48:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've done the rejetting/pipe thing myself on all of my bikes including some friends. I may be more mechanically inclined than most but IMO I would say that it's not too hard and that folks should try it on their own. Follow the instructions and make sure to keep everything absolutely clean. Work inside at a CLEAN bench and remember safety when working with fuel soaked parts. Most kits(that I've worked with) are pretty straight forward. I'll be glad to help out if needed. -Tom '86VFR750 >---------- >From: JOE NAGY[SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, April 20, 1998 3:57 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; tgimer@XXXXXX >Subject: Rejetting -Reply > >How much are you worth per hour? If you're worth ten bucks an hour, and >it takes you 20 hours (quite possible with jetting), it might be worth >it to you to take it to the dealer. But if you really want to learn to >do it, you should do it yourself. Time or money? Life is full of >trade-offs. > >>>> "Thomas H. Gimer" - 4/20/98 1:51 PM >>> >I've never done any carb work, but am planning to rejet..... > >To anybody with experience in this kind of work: if you were in my >shoes, would you learn to do the work yourself, or pay a shop >+/-$200 to do it? That price includes installation of new pipe. > >TIA. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 21 15:37:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06894; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14868; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03890 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id QKHOa03521; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:34:17 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:34:17 EDT To: zell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tgimer@XXXXXX, NAGYJ@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rejetting -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-04-21 15:08:18 EDT, zell@XXXXXX writes: > I've done the rejetting/pipe thing myself on all of my bikes including > some friends. I may be more mechanically inclined than most but IMO I > would say that it's not too hard and that folks should try it on their > own. Tom, How long did it take the first time? You do have to resynch the carbs right? Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 21 18:32:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10929; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17638; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10490 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:31:35 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:30:20 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jaynik Received: from jaynik [207.168.31.48] by dclink.com with smtp id BCBOAIDK ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:30:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay Thompson" From: "Jay Thompson" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Fw: Sportfest '98 c/o motorcycle.com Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:28:45 -0000 Message-ID: <01bd6d53$52359b80$301fa8cf@jaynik> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Here is the Frederick show on the 2nd.. courtesy of Ursulina! Jay >Just saw this at www.motorcycle.com > >May 2, 1998. Sportfest '98 in Frederick, Maryland. Manufacturer >representatives and demo rides from BMW, Buell, > Ducati, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and Triumph. A BattleTrax event is >scheduled as well. There will also be seminars by > Dyno-Jet, HyperPro and the Mid-Atlantic Road Racing Club. For more >information call Mike Vantucci or Ralf Berger > at 301-694-8177. > >Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * PCS phone 703-624-1303 > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 15:22:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26873; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10772; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07422 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03234; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:21:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." cc: Todd Peer , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Street Atlas 5.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980422134502.006a38f8@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > Here's the trade-off: SA has every street everywhere and includes lots > of information about businesses in the area, while MNG has less detail > (mainly for cities) but contains the contents of the AAA guides. When v > 4.0 of MNG comes out, you can allegedly transfer the "guide" content to > your harddrive while using the SA CD for the maps. Ok, sounds like I can skip MNG... I did just get an offer for MNG in the mail. If my memory servers me you buy the first copy for $29.95 or 39.95 and you can get additional copies for $19.95. Not of use to me but if someone wants the 'coupon' just let me know. Delorme seems to have me on some kind of preferred user list (I got to buy SA 5.0 before it was in the stores). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 15:49:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27452; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11829; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08178 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p173.smart.net [206.97.127.173]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22934; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:48:18 -0400 Message-ID: <353E4857.C84ECF2C@smart.net> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:43:21 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Motorcycle Consumer News References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit May issue arrived today. George Howell wrote: > When is the last time someone got an issue of this? I subscribed at the > Ohio Cycle World show, and haven't gotten my first issue yet. I figured I > would miss one or two, but certainly the third issue should be in my > mailbox. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 16:31:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28027; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12798; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09149 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 1790; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:41:29 -0400 Message-ID: <353CA268.A641B3A4@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:43:04 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John C. Kozyn" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Trident Points 4 Free References: <353AC606.7DE1@mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John C. Kozyn wrote: > I was cleaning up downstairs and came across a set of points for a 69/70 > Triumph Trident, which may or may not be OK for the BSA Rocket III also. > These are not Lucas products, but Japanese aftermarket. Non-Lucas electrics for a Brit bike?!?! John, those might be priceless!!! (Well actually, he's giving them away free, so I guess they are priceless, but I digress... :-) To anyone not in on the joke, Lucas electrics in Britain are notorious for unreliability. They are often referred to as "The Princes of Darkness" for a good reason! = :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 16:31:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28031; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12806; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09056 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 319; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:33:43 -0400 Message-ID: <353CA095.FB8DC322@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:35:17 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? References: <19980420134924.ZCYL500@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > I'm beginning to understand now that > some of these Harley riders really don't spend hours polishing and > buffing to keep all that chrome shiny, but instead just ride when there > isn't a spec of pollution in the air to muff it all up! Jeez. > Speaking of pollution, I get to tell this story 'cuz Tracy is away from her computer today, but there's this sometimes Sportster rider where she works, he came up to her the other day once he finally figured out who was riding the Savage in every day. They got to talking about bikes, and he marveled at how she rode in even on days when pollen could get onto her bike. That's right, this guy didn't ride in because he was worried about pollen, and not because he's got allergies. Gimme an L, gimme an O, gimme an S-E-R! And I got in behind a nice cage today in traffic, I noticed it had a Harley Owner's Group license plate on it. Kind of fitting, in a way. He's OWNING his bike, tucked away in a garage somewhere, and I'm RIDING mine. I'm not trying to bash on Harleys, I actually really like the bikes, and will probably even own one someday, but there are so many poseurs out there it borders on comical sometimes. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 16:47:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28268; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13196; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09881 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA21152 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:38:09 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:44:34 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:45:51 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: jckozyn@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trident Points 4 Free -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Can't resist: Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? A: Lucas refrigerators. >>> "horkster" - 4/21/98 9:43 AM >>> John C. Kozyn wrote: > I was cleaning up downstairs and came across a set of points for a 69/70 > Triumph Trident, which may or may not be OK for the BSA Rocket III also. > These are not Lucas products, but Japanese aftermarket. Non-Lucas electrics for a Brit bike?!?! John, those might be priceless!!! (Well actually, he's giving them away free, so I guess they are priceless, but I digress... :-) To anyone not in on the joke, Lucas electrics in Britain are notorious for unreliability. They are often referred to as "The Princes of Darkness" for a good reason! = :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:05:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28608; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13390; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10313 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 936 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:00:27 -0400 Message-ID: <353CB4E9.53C051E1@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:02:01 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Mail server went t.u./Spring Fling Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey All, I've been having problems with my mail server over the past weekend, I don't know if I missed any new RSVPs for the May 2nd party at our house in the last couple of days. (I did get yours, Amy and Mark!) If you did respond in the last few days, please resend to me. Ursulina had a great suggestion, anyone got any cool biker/ race videos to show on the tv during the party, like we had at Todd's place? Wanna volunteer to bring 'em along? Sort of to add to the atmosphere, you know! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:23:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29096; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14270; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11139 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA21393 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:15:28 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:21:52 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:22:48 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Three observations: 1. Folks here in the CSA rarely ride their bikes if there's even a chance of cloudiness. 2. Toyotas with a Harley sticker in the rear window? Don't ever drive that thing to Milwaukee or Detroit. 3. I've got a buddy out in LA with a 90-hp Sportster with good suspension who hunts sportbike poseurs. Now that's comical. Joe '86 900 Ninja Richmond >>> "horkster" - 4/21/98 9:35 AM >>> Todd Peer wrote: > > I'm beginning to understand now that > some of these Harley riders really don't spend hours polishing and > buffing to keep all that chrome shiny, but instead just ride when there > isn't a spec of pollution in the air to muff it all up! Jeez. > Speaking of pollution, I get to tell this story 'cuz Tracy is away from her computer today, but there's this sometimes Sportster rider where she works, he came up to her the other day once he finally figured out who was riding the Savage in every day. They got to talking about bikes, and he marveled at how she rode in even on days when pollen could get onto her bike. That's right, this guy didn't ride in because he was worried about pollen, and not because he's got allergies. Gimme an L, gimme an O, gimme an S-E-R! And I got in behind a nice cage today in traffic, I noticed it had a Harley Owner's Group license plate on it. Kind of fitting, in a way. He's OWNING his bike, tucked away in a garage somewhere, and I'm RIDING mine. I'm not trying to bash on Harleys, I actually really like the bikes, and will probably even own one someday, but there are so many poseurs out there it borders on comical sometimes. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:35:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29498; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10338; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (known drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06672 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spud.ascend.com (fw-ext.ascend.com [198.4.92.5]) by drawbridge.ascend.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA27692; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:00:44 -0700 Received: from ascend.com by ascend.com with ESMTP id MAA27172; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:00:40 -0700 Received: from ascend.com by ascend.com id LAA06787; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:56:57 -0700 From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." , "Todd Peer" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Street Atlas 5.0 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:01:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bd6e21$0b084770$37163495@ztyrlik.ascend.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980422131239.0069d59c@pop.mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [mailto:hgg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 1:13 PM > To: Todd Peer > Cc: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Street Atlas 5.0 > > > At 11:42 AM 4/22/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > > > >For those of you that already have it, you know already how cool it > >is. I picked up DeLormes Street Atlas 5.0 yesterday on the advice > >of our Polish pal Zbig. > > > >$42 incl tax at Best Buy > > FYI, CompUSA was selling Street Atlas bundled with AAA Map'n'Go for about > the same price. I really wish, though, that they were one CD. > Apparently, > Delorme has plans to allow you to use the next version of AAA MNG with the > SA CD. That would be a big improvement. > 1) SA 5.0 is on 2 CD, one for install, second for runtime. I tried to burn a copy of runtime as safety, but was unable so far. ( Does not work). 2) You were always able to use SA data files with Map'N'Go application - simple, just install both of them into one directory... > > Harry _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:35:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29505; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10088; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known lds97.com [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05758 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD6DFB.B110D090@XXXXXX>; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:34:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'Jay'" , "'EXUP Brotherhood'" , "'DC Cycles Mailing List'" , "'Baltimore Cycles List'" Subject: RE: Battery problems... again... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:34:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BTW: You won't see a charge across that battery until the engine reaches something like 4500 RPM.... -Tom '86VFR750 >-----Original Message----- >From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 9:02 AM >To: 'Jay'; 'EXUP Brotherhood'; 'DC Cycles Mailing List'; 'Baltimore Cycles >List' >Subject: RE: Battery problems... again... > >>Here's the deal. A friend of mine rides a '92 FZR 600. He just bought a >>brand new battery, filled it, charged it, all that jazz. He goes outside > >this morning and it's as dead as a doornail. > >Jay, Sounds like either > >(a) A defective battery (rare, but it happens) > or >(b) A constant drain from something (more probable) > >A quick and dirty check of the charging system is to take a fully >charged battery (about 13.6 volts) and run the engine. You should see a >bit over 14 volts at the battery if the charging system is working > >Assuming that you get a good reading, you need to get an ammeter and >connect it in series with the positive battery lead - i.e. remove the >positive battery lead, connect it to one lug of the ammeter and connect >a wire from the other lug of the ammeter to the positive terminal of the >battery. You should see NO movement of the ammeter > >You don't say how long the battery has been in the bike. If he put it in >yesterday and it's dead this morning, you should see a significant >amount of current flow - maybe 10 amps or more. If it's been in there a >week, it will probably be under an amp. > >Hope this is of use, > >Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:35:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29507; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08911; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04080 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05353 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:43:41 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:43:41 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Street Atlas 5.0 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:45:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 13 TEXT The main difference is the inclusion of the tourister-type data included in the map-n-go package (sights along the way, hotel/motel database, etc.) Street Atlas is a detailed mapping product. For those heading north - Map-N-Go gives lip service to Canada - Street Atlas ignores our northern neighbor. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:35:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29510; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07955; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02565 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA08267; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA08714; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980422170527.OAM29444@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:05:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles , JOE NAGY Subject: Re: Street Atlas 5.0 -Reply X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980422170527.OAM29444@[166.41.242.141]> Right now only V4.0 for Mac is available. Delorme Website: http://www.delorme.com/ T Message-Id: Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:49:23 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Subject: Street Atlas 5.0 -Reply Content-Disposition: inline Does it come in Mac or just PC? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29513; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08102; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02675 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (pool-207-205-218-237.pitb.grid.net [207.205.218.237]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA00027; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980422131239.0069d59c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:12:39 -0400 To: Todd Peer From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Street Atlas 5.0 Cc: dc-cycles In-Reply-To: <19980422154723.CGD22620@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:42 AM 4/22/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > >For those of you that already have it, you know already how cool it >is. I picked up DeLormes Street Atlas 5.0 yesterday on the advice >of our Polish pal Zbig. > >$42 incl tax at Best Buy FYI, CompUSA was selling Street Atlas bundled with AAA Map'n'Go for about the same price. I really wish, though, that they were one CD. Apparently, Delorme has plans to allow you to use the next version of AAA MNG with the SA CD. That would be a big improvement. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29517; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08774; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03526 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA01077; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:32:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." cc: Todd Peer , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Street Atlas 5.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980422131239.0069d59c@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > FYI, CompUSA was selling Street Atlas bundled with AAA Map'n'Go for about > the same price. I really wish, though, that they were one CD. Apparently, > Delorme has plans to allow you to use the next version of AAA MNG with the > SA CD. That would be a big improvement. What do you gain with AAA MNG over just Street Atlas? I had the impression, when I started using Street Atlas 5.0, that it had all the functionality of ver 4.0 plus the functionality of AAA MNG. It was such an improvement over ver 4.0 (greater detail, routing, etc) that I couldn't imagine anything more. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29520; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08957; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04159 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (pool-207-205-218-237.pitb.grid.net [207.205.218.237]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA20085; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980422134502.006a38f8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:45:02 -0400 To: Kirk Roy From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Street Atlas 5.0 Cc: Todd Peer , dc-cycles In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980422131239.0069d59c@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:32 PM 4/22/98 -0400, Kirk Roy wrote: >What do you gain with AAA MNG over just Street Atlas? > Here's the trade-off: SA has every street everywhere and includes lots of information about businesses in the area, while MNG has less detail (mainly for cities) but contains the contents of the AAA guides. When v 4.0 of MNG comes out, you can allegedly transfer the "guide" content to your harddrive while using the SA CD for the maps. Annoyingly, although SA can import "routes" saved from MNG, MNG cannot read maps saved from SA, despite suggestions to the contrary from the packages and the fact that they were shrink-wrapped together. I called Delorme in disbelief (naive me), only to be given the message conveyed above. If your harddrive is big enough, though, you can run SA without the CD by transferring the map info on selected areas (like the I-95 and I-81 corridors) to your computer. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29523; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06305; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00708 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA29581; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:14:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA25952; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:14:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980422154626.CBV22620@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:46:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Directions to Winchester Indian X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980422154626.CBV22620@[166.41.242.141]> >Anybody have directions from either DC or Fredericksburg to Winchester >Indian? Got my Ural brochure in the mail the other day, and might take a >ride out one of these weekends. Was there just this past weekend. From DC, route 7 west to I81 north, exit 321. I know they're supposed to have the Ural there, but the only one(s) I saw were ridden there. Hmmm.... Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29525; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06348; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00821 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA01219 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:17:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA26098 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:17:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980422154723.CGD22620@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:47:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Street Atlas 5.0 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980422154723.CGD22620@[166.41.242.141]> For those of you that already have it, you know already how cool it is. I picked up DeLormes Street Atlas 5.0 yesterday on the advice of our Polish pal Zbig. I'd been using Delormes AAA Map-n-Go 3.0, but always found it fell a little short. Not the SA! It literally lists every little backroad, and not just in major metropolitan areas. It even shows the Summit Point raceway with all the turns (it doesn't show the Jefferson Circuit though). And like the Map-n-Go you can plug in your preferences for interesting surroundings like camping, shopping, etc. and it lists them on the map. Unlike Map-n-Go there are more choices for preferences. If you have a GPS, download your planned trip and GO RIDE! I will be exploring new ground very soon folks. However, like their printed copy there is no way to know if the road is paved or dirt. Oh well, what the hell. $42 incl tax at Best Buy. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29528; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05027; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29130 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA19647; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA18359; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:31:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980422153134.BREA985@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:31:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Alternate Memorial Day plans X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980422153134.BREA985@[166.41.242.141]> >>Otherwise known as "overheat your bike day". > >Would it be better to ride a water cooled, an air cooled, or an air/oil >cooled bike? Anything with extremely loud pipes would be fine! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29531; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05590; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29839 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-181.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.181]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA07671; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:59:37 -0400 Message-ID: <353E126E.5E14F65F@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:53:18 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: BMW K-bike list? References: <3.0.1.32.19980422100631.00fb0a70@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The last posting from Motorcycle Online is http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcdaily98/day0305.html Leon. Chris Norloff wrote: > > Hello, all. I'm looking for a BMW K100 bike list. I found BMWMC, but it's > for all BMWs. > > Anybody know the address of a list like this (I assume one exists!), or > remember that web page that had a list of lists? > > thanks, > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29534; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04215; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28035 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.43] (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:04:41 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Directions to Winchester Indian Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 11:07:25 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Anybody have directions from either DC or Fredericksburg to Winchester Indian? Got my Ural brochure in the mail the other day, and might take a ride out one of these weekends. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29537; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05025; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29126 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA06615; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:31:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA20666; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980422153132.BRDU985@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:31:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: poppo@XXXXXX (Ralph Young) CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WERA at Summit Point this weekend X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980422153132.BRDU985@[166.41.242.141]> I'll be heading up Friday afternoon to make a weekend of it all (corner working). Anyone else going up Friday? Brian? Anyone want to ride along w/me? Todd Ralph Young wrote: >Just a note to those group members who may not be aware of it - This >weekend WERA will be at Summit Point on Saturday and Sunday. WERA Vintage >races are run on Saturdays and will be run at Summit Point only three times >this year and this Saturday will be one of those times. The races on >Saturday will also include current model bikes in several one hour >endurance races. Regular sprint races will be held on Sunday. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29540; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02455; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24909 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A8D465A052E; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:04:04 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980422100631.00fb0a70@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:06:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: BMW K-bike list? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, all. I'm looking for a BMW K100 bike list. I found BMWMC, but it's for all BMWs. Anybody know the address of a list like this (I assume one exists!), or remember that web page that had a list of lists? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29543; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02441; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24858 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yS07v-0003nG-00; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:03:55 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:02:16 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D5E5779@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: What's Up With Route 50 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:03:14 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain heading into Washington? This morning and yesterday morning the backups were unbelievable...much worse than usual. However, I saw no cops, no construction, nothing! Does anyone have any idea as to why it's been so bad? Perhaps the construction on the OPPOSITE side of 50 is slowing it down!! OTOH, it's been beautiful riding weather, hasn't it? - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29546; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01760; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23858 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:29:32 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:27:42 -0500 Received: from WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL [160.151.107.198] by dclink.com with smtp id AJBLBCBE ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:27:22 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: "EXUP Brotherhood" , Cc: "Baltimore Cycles List" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: EXUP oil debate Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:36:15 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd6df3$9fc7e4c0$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Wow, that was an interesting test. Mobil really does seem to be the superior oil! (based on their findings....) interesting read... thanks! Jay -----Original Message----- >From: redline@XXXXXX To: Jaynik Date: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 12:37 AM Subject: EXUP oil debate > >motorcycle consumer news, who doesn't accept advertising, conducted a >little study of motorcycle specific oils vs. car oils. >see http://www.ll.net/XS-XJ/stories/mcnoil94.htm > >the motorcycle specificity is nonsense.... >k > > > > >============================================================ >**Don't forget EXUP IRC chat Thursday at 9 PM MST** >============================================================ >**Euro chat is sunday at 19:00 GMT** >============================================================ >---> The New 'Official' Brotherhood web page is up! >---> visit http://superbike.home.mindspring.com/exup.html >============================================================ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29549; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01980; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24129 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. 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Meet at the McDonald's in the Pan Am Shopping Center off Nutley Street and Route 29 at 9am for breakfast. We will depart for the poker run at 9:30am. You will need $9 for registration in the event, which is between 114 and 145 miles in length. I hope to see a lot of you there for breakfast. Let's get out and enjoy the Spring weather before the heat and humidity kick in. 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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 06:02:17 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 29 TEXT >Here's the deal. A friend of mine rides a '92 FZR 600. He just bought a >brand new battery, filled it, charged it, all that jazz. He goes outside >this morning and it's as dead as a doornail. Jay, Sounds like either (a) A defective battery (rare, but it happens) or (b) A constant drain from something (more probable) A quick and dirty check of the charging system is to take a fully charged battery (about 13.6 volts) and run the engine. You should see a bit over 14 volts at the battery if the charging system is working Assuming that you get a good reading, you need to get an ammeter and connect it in series with the positive battery lead - i.e. remove the positive battery lead, connect it to one lug of the ammeter and connect a wire from the other lug of the ammeter to the positive terminal of the battery. You should see NO movement of the ammeter You don't say how long the battery has been in the bike. If he put it in yesterday and it's dead this morning, you should see a significant amount of current flow - maybe 10 amps or more. If it's been in there a week, it will probably be under an amp. Hope this is of use, Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29555; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29579; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22594 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id AC5F2710140; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:02:39 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980422075541.00fe95a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 07:55:41 -0400 To: "'DC-Cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: AARRRRRGH!!! (not moto related) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:32 AM 4/21/98 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote: >I just listened to customer service person at Fidelity Investments make >reference to a "Personal PIN Number" today. > >Was all I could do not to shout at her over the phone So so what's what's your your point point? :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29558; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29622; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22711 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id AEC844F00EE; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:12:56 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980422080608.00ff7460@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:06:08 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Motorcycle Consumer News In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:45 AM 4/22/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Might take part of the day off from work tomorrow >and recuperate (bicycle accident. Two staples. Father might want to do a >stitch as well. Stupid 5 mph get off that's worse than any of the >motorcycle drops I've done. Killer headache) and call 'em up. Those bicycles are dangerous. Shoulda been on your motorcycle. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29561; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29605; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22703 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:12:05 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:10:14 -0500 Received: from WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL [160.151.107.198] by dclink.com with smtp id AIAJDHCI ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:09:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: "EXUP Brotherhood" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Baltimore Cycles List" Subject: Battery problems... again... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:18:52 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd6de8$d054caa0$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Ok, I know this has probably been through the ringer 200 times, but hey, it's never affected me, so I ignored it more or less. Here's the deal. A friend of mine rides a '92 FZR 600. He just bought a brand new battery, filled it, charged it, all that jazz. He goes outside this morning and it's as dead as a doornail. I haven't seen the bike and he isn't mechanically inclined. Before he takes it to a shop, I'd like to give him some ideas on how to fix it. First idea is the alternator, but he has ridden it twice. I'm not sure if the battery would sustain a charge for that long without an alternator. Regulator? ehhh Fuse? no short???? that's an idea... Any input is greatly appreciated! Thanks, Jay From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29564; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21018; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17503 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.37] (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:42:39 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Alternate Memorial Day plans Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 00:45:22 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Otherwise known as "overheat your bike day". Would it be better to ride a water cooled, an air cooled, or an air/oil cooled bike? ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29567; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21022; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17507 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.37] (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:42:41 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: AARRRRRGH!!! (not moto related) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 00:45:25 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Jordan, Michael" , "'DC-Cycles'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I just listened to customer service person at Fidelity Investments make >reference to a "Personal PIN Number" today. For use at the "ATM Machine" no doubt:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29570; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21026; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17511 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.37] (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:42:43 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: First Pillion Experience... Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 00:45:27 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "\"'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'\" " Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Thanks for the advice. Those sound like really good ideas. >I'm actually signed up for the experienced rider course in June, is >anyone else signed up? Not yet, and honestly, there's not a good reason why. Laziness on my part. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29573; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21030; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17515 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.37] (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:42:51 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Motorcycle Consumer News Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 00:45:34 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Call the assistant circulation manager, MR. J.R. Juiliano at 714.855.8822. >This past issue (apr 98) had a blip about mailing labels falling off >and that people were not receiving their copies. Thanks for the number. Might take part of the day off from work tomorrow and recuperate (bicycle accident. Two staples. Father might want to do a stitch as well. Stupid 5 mph get off that's worse than any of the motorcycle drops I've done. Killer headache) and call 'em up. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 17:36:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29577; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19885; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.gatewayone.com (known ns1.gatewayone.com [207.226.171.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16540 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gatewayone (dial228.gatewayone.com [207.226.171.228]) by ns1.gatewayone.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA1104 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:37:55 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980421233932.006a4544@gatewayone.com> X-Sender: poppo@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:39:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: poppo@XXXXXX (Ralph Young) Subject: WERA at Summit Point this weekend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just a note to those group members who may not be aware of it - This weekend WERA will be at Summit Point on Saturday and Sunday. WERA Vintage races are run on Saturdays and will be run at Summit Point only three times this year and this Saturday will be one of those times. The races on Saturday will also include current model bikes in several one hour endurance races. Regular sprint races will be held on Sunday. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 19:59:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02374; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18291; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16804 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.54] (unverified [207.226.128.54]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:57:20 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Directions to Winchester Indian Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 20:00:06 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I know they're supposed to have the Ural there, but the only one(s) >I saw were ridden there. Hmmm.... a bit disappointing if that is the case... ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 19:59:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02375; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18283; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16792 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.54] (unverified [207.226.128.54]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:57:11 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: MC Bone Yards Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 19:59:57 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Anybody have that list of MC junk yards? I need the stock shifter for my Gold Wing. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 19:59:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02379; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18287; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16797 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.54] (unverified [207.226.128.54]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:57:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mail server went t.u./Spring Fling Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 20:00:03 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "horkster" , "DC Cycles List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Ursulina had a great suggestion, anyone got any cool biker/ >race videos to show on the tv during the party, like we had >at Todd's place? Wanna volunteer to bring 'em along? Sort >of to add to the atmosphere, you know! I was thinking of picking up Performance Bikes' Video Nasty. Supposed to be pretty good (but a bit risque?) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 19:59:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02385; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18295; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16808 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.54] (unverified [207.226.128.54]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:57:24 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 20:00:09 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "JOE NAGY" , , cc: "DC Cycles" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >3. I've got a buddy out in LA with a 90-hp Sportster with good >suspension who hunts sportbike poseurs. Now that's comical. Which is the comical part: a Sporty with a good suspension, or 90 (reliable) hp out of same? Forgive me, I'm sure the Sporty is at least as reliable as your average Buell:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 20:15:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA02663; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18736; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17411 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-15.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.56]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA24850; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:14:18 -0400 Message-ID: <014b01bd6e4c$e3672700$4610b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "George Howell" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Directions to Winchester Indian Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:14:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Understand they're Moto Guzzi'ers too (pry the closest to DC?). Would slurp up any feedback on stock, attitude, toward V11 EV;75th Anniv; new&used. From: George Howell >Anybody have directions from either DC or Fredericksburg to Winchester >Indian? Got my Ural brochure in the mail the other day, and might take a >ride out one of these weekends. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 21:18:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03260; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20084; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18370 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:17:37 -0400 (EDT) From: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from nt_thetrick (tc1-s25.wizard.net [206.161.15.55]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA23849; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:17:35 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980422211549.0097e660@mail.wizard.net> X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:15:49 -0400 To: George Howell Subject: Re: MC Bone Yards Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" i put the info at my website. try http://www.wizard.net/~thetrick/motoyards.htm i deleted the message that it came attached to, so if someone out there is the "author" of this info and wants me to take it down or give credit, let me know. additions would be welcome, too :o) tom At 07:59 PM 4/22/98 -0400, you wrote: >Anybody have that list of MC junk yards? I need the stock shifter for my >Gold Wing. > > > >----------------------------------------------------------- >-George Howell AMA#553567 >ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 >georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 21:44:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03437; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20597; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (known darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18841 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from voyager.cris.com (voyager.concentric.net [206.173.119.82]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/01/20 5.9)) id VAA15251; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:43:52 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by voyager.cris.com (8.8.5) id VAA09938; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:43:46 -0400 (EDT) From: BRIANPM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: WERA Races.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey, When it rains, it pours.. my truck decided it didn't want to work any longer, and today, on the beltway.. oh, on the way to a job interview (that I never made it to). Bah.. anyway, looking for a ride to Summit this weekend... Perfer Friday night arival.. but saturday will work for me (early, I'm a cornerworker).. Collin? Todd's got his bike full... and I'm not sure who else is headed that way... So, I may be there, and I may not.... depending on if I can wrangle up a ride... Have fun, and be safe whoever makes it there.. Brian P.McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 82 XT250 (street/dirt) brianpm@XXXXXX & bmccoy@XXXXXX - personal www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 22 23:03:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04582; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21112; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20916 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt.erols.com (207-172-35-33.s33.tnt9.brd.erols.com [207.172.35.33]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA02186 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804230302.XAA02186@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: Subject: Route Suggestions Needed Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:00:53 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My buddy and I are riding up to Reading, Pa. on Friday morning to check out PA Route 125. ( See Jan/Feb edition of Motorcycle Times for a review). Does anyone have a suggested route of travel to Reading from the D.C. area that would include twisties, etc. We want to avoid any interstate highway mileage. We plan to make it a two day trip. Anyone interested in joining us should EMail me. We are leaving from Coleman Powersports in Woodbridge at 10:00 a.m. sharp on Friday. Roy D. Turner, Esq. (96 F3) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 01:20:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA06347; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 01:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22474; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 01:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22771 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 01:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.49] (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 01:18:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MC Bone Yards Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 01:21:01 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Was recommend on place (haven't called'em yet). http://www.usedmotorcycleparts.com They didn't have my shifters listed, but they did have a new fairing and top box for <$200!! ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 08:25:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09873; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04445; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27185 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A2F4191B046E; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:24:20 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980423080320.01000810@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:03:20 -0400 To: "horkster" , DC Cycles List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Mail server went t.u./Spring Fling In-Reply-To: <353CB4E9.53C051E1@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:02 AM 4/21/98 -0400, horkster wrote: >Ursulina had a great suggestion, anyone got any cool biker/ >race videos to show on the tv during the party, like we had >at Todd's place? Wanna volunteer to bring 'em along? Sort >of to add to the atmosphere, you know! Sure ... you got Beta? really, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 08:25:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09878; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04442; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27184 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A2F0191B046E; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:24:19 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980423080236.01000d90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:02:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Trident Points 4 Free In-Reply-To: <353CA268.A641B3A4@tidalwave.net> References: <353AC606.7DE1@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:43 AM 4/21/98 -0400, horkster wrote: >To anyone not in on the joke, Lucas electrics in Britain are >notorious for unreliability. They are often referred to as >"The Princes of Darkness" for a good reason! = :-) > >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX "Gentlemen do not ride motorbikes at night" (quote attributed to Lucas.) :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 08:26:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09936; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04470; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27209 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA00408; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:25:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv1-05.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.37) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma000392; Thu Apr 23 07:25:16 1998 Message-ID: <353F47E8.7C32@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:53:44 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Directions to Winchester Indian References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > >I know they're supposed to have the Ural there, but the only one(s) > >I saw were ridden there. Hmmm.... > > a bit disappointing if that is the case... Just FYI, there have been some import/ U.S. Customs problems with URAL, mainly at the Importer level, but it also effected local retailers. There were not any there because they were apparently seized. At this point Carl at Winchester Indian is not even sure if he will continue to be a URAL dealer. Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 08:36:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10016; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04647; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27482 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA00899; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:35:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv1-05.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.37) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma000893; Thu Apr 23 07:35:04 1998 Message-ID: <353F4A34.65EF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:03:32 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobacc CC: George Howell , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Directions to Winchester Indian References: <014b01bd6e4c$e3672700$4610b1cd@newmicronpc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mobacc wrote: > > Understand they're Moto Guzzi'ers too (pry the closest to DC?). Would slurp > up any feedback on stock, attitude, toward V11 EV;75th Anniv; new&used. > Yes, there are some beautiful Guzzi's there. Unfortunately (IMHO) they are way overpriced. Thats not so much the dealer, but MotoAmerica the importer. The MSRP on those things is ridiculous, especially for a marque that is trying to expand its customer base. There is a new Daytona for 98. Its beautiful in the brochure, 4Valve OHC 90deg twin, but its $13,000. The Sport 1100i is a thousand or so less. Oh btw, George if you want a nicer ride than Rt 7, Take Rt 9 from Leesburg into Charlestown, then you can either take Summit Point RD to Summit Point and take 761 to Rt 11,Then North 2 miles on Rt 11. Or you can take Rt 51 west to Rt 11. Go South on Rt 11 to Winc Indian. If you stay on Rt 7, get off at 632 just past Beryville, and take that to Rt 761. Make a left at the dead end and it will run you right back to Rt 11, just South of the dealer. -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 08:40:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10051; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04682; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27544 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:32:51 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'Dubnowski, Bill'" Subject: Is everyone going to be at the track? Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:33:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Is everyone going to be at the track this weekend or would you like to do something more exciting then sit around at a race track? I was thinking of a ride. If I can spark enough interest I'll be willing to lead the group. Length would depend on who wants to go but I can do an all dayer if anyone wants. Open for suggestions. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 08:54:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10326; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04826; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from red.uspis.gov (known red-internet.uspis.gov [206.205.134.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27826 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA08322; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:02:32 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'Dubnowski, Bill'" Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:54:47 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can do an all dayer. Man that sound pretty impressive. Curtis >-----Original Message----- >From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 12:33 PM >To: 'DC Cycles' >Cc: 'Dubnowski, Bill' >Subject: Is everyone going to be at the track? > >Is everyone going to be at the track this weekend or would you like to >do something more exciting then sit around at a race track? I was >thinking of a ride. If I can spark enough interest I'll be willing to >lead the group. Length would depend on who wants to go but I can do an >all dayer if anyone wants. Open for suggestions. > >Glenn Dysart >dysart@XXXXXX > >84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 09:01:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10453; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04898; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27969 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA07468 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:00:54 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:00:54 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'George Howell'" , "'JOE NAGY'" , "'Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX'" , "'horkster@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" , "'jlobrien@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:03:03 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 12 TEXT >Which is the comical part: a Sporty with a good suspension, or 90 (reliable) hp out of same? Check this out: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbeware/newproducts.html I could be happy with this (not to mention being the only kid on the block with one) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 09:10:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10527; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04968; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com (known ngedns.northgrum.com [192.86.71.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28222 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgny003.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.161]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA11527; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGNY003 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:10:04 -0400 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183C0E@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:09:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sure .. me too. Think you'll be able to touch it for less $$$ than an RC45? I kinda doubt it. --chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---------- > From: Jordan, Michael[SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 1998 9:03 AM > Cc: 'DC Cycles'; 'jlobrien@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply --snip Michael's norton comments-- > I could be happy with this (not to mention being the only kid on the > block with one) > > Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 09:35:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10934; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05517; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28763 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA18182; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:34:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA26748; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980423133419.DAGQ22404@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:34:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: MC Bone Yards X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980423133419.DAGQ22404@[166.41.242.141]> Try Anvils @ http://anvil-group.com/yards/bike.htm Message-ID: Subject: MC Bone Yards Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 19:59:57 -0400 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Anybody have that list of MC junk yards? I need the stock shifter for my Gold Wing. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 09:39:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10983; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05741; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28848 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA05283 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:38:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv1-05.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.37) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma005253; Thu Apr 23 08:37:57 1998 Message-ID: <353F58F2.77B2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:06:26 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Which is the comical part: a Sporty with a good suspension, or 90 (reliable) > hp out of same? > 90% of it , isnt the bike, its the rider....;) -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 09:40:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10990; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05776; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28864 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA09829; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <353F4435.896363ED@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:37:57 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183C0E@xcgva001.grumman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did I miss something here? The link I followed had a freaky lookin kit for older sportsters priced at $1600... Figuring that a several year old sporty will run you around $5k or so (don't flame me if I'm off a couple of $k on that :) I really don't keep track) My rithmatic comes out waaaay less than an RC45 (unless they've come down too he he he... last one I saw in a shop window ran $27k...neat to look at though) CT Meier, Christopher wrote: > > Sure .. me too. Think you'll be able to touch it for less $$$ than an RC45? > I kinda doubt it. -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 09:44:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11072; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05929; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (known sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28974 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id GAA14695; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id GAA29792; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:44:10 -0700 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183C0F@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" Cc: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:44:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Collin, The link I went to had some really cool Nortons that were 8 cylinder (three plugs per cylinder!) weighed in at 217kg (~477lbs) and pumped out around 240 hp. Call me pessimistic, but I don't think that kind of performance can be had for under 10k :-) --chris PS I *also* thought it had looks that can rival the Bimotas, but that is just subjective opinion. Here's the link ... try again, and look at the Norton Nemesis ... http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/virtua.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---------- > From: Collin T. Fagan[SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 1998 9:37 AM > To: Meier, Christopher > Cc: 'Jordan, Michael'; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply > > Did I miss something here? The link I followed had a freaky lookin kit > for older sportsters priced at $1600... Figuring that a several year > old sporty will run you around $5k or so (don't flame me if I'm off a > couple of $k on that :) I really don't keep track) My rithmatic comes > out waaaay less than an RC45 (unless they've come down too he he he... > last one I saw in a shop window ran $27k...neat to look at though) > CT > > Meier, Christopher wrote: > > > > Sure .. me too. Think you'll be able to touch it for less $$$ than an > RC45? > > I kinda doubt it. > -- > Collin T. Fagan > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 10:03:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11351; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06954; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail3.geocities.com [209.1.224.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29345 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA28174; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <353F4995.3826B8AA@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:00:53 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Concept Nortons was->Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183C0F@xcgva001.grumman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I double checked my delete file... wonder why my message had the m/c online link in it ?? Oh well, checking out the links you sent... WOW!! If those concepts ever become reality, they will be very impressive..even if they only come part way up to the claimed specs... The March, at the bottom, looks really nice, but they're claiming it to be a class leading 600 at only 75 hp??!!?! Sorry, but even the older F2's and even the old hurrycanes are doing that.. Did you see that spec on tiers?? A 200/50!! Now that's one wide, low profiled mother. thanks for that link. Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 10:03:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11356; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06974; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29355 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-90.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.90]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id KAA19876 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980423094151.00a38100@wingate> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:41:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Used Bandit prices? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anybody know offhand, or know of a blue-book type source I can use, to check out the value of a '96 Bandit 600 in good condition? Thanks, MET ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 10:05:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11405; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07037; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29401 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA20648; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA22405; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980423140421.DEUK22404@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:04:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "mobacc" CC: "George Howell" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Directions to Winchester Indian X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980423140421.DEUK22404@[166.41.242.141]> Rode the Centauro V10. Unimpressed with function. Very nice styling though. The big litre motor flexed in its mount with the slightest throttle, which was a little disconcerting. For a full liter, in a V I expected a little more torque and a lot more power. T Bill Swanson wrote: >Understand they're Moto Guzzi'ers too (pry the closest to DC?). Would slurp >up any feedback on stock, attitude, toward V11 EV;75th Anniv; new&used. > >From: George Howell > >>Anybody have directions from either DC or Fredericksburg to Winchester >>Indian? Got my Ural brochure in the mail the other day, and might take a >>ride out one of these weekends. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 10:13:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11516; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07417; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29532 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p186.smart.net [206.97.127.186]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17051; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:12:56 -0400 Message-ID: <353F4B39.7FC84865@smart.net> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:07:54 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mark E. Truelove" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Used Bandit prices? References: <3.0.1.32.19980423094151.00a38100@wingate> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit $3820. March '98 MCN. Mark E. Truelove wrote: > Anybody know offhand, or know of a blue-book type source I can use, to > check out the value of a '96 Bandit 600 in good condition? -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 10:14:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11526; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07467; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29552 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA08286 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:13:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199804231413.JAA08286@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ip151.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net(38.30.47.151) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008244; Thu Apr 23 09:13:15 1998 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:13:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Driving in DC (humor) Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19980422154723.CGD22620@[166.41.242.141]> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) BASIC RULES FOR DRIVING IN THE DC/METRO AREA 1-- A right lane construction closure is just a game to see how many people can cut in line by passing you on the right as you sit in the left lane waiting for the same jerks to squeeze their way back in before hitting construction barrels. 2-- Turn signals are just clues as to your next move in road battle so never use them. 3-- Under no circumstances should you leave a safe distance between you and the car in front of you no matter how fast you're going. If you do, the space will be filled in by somebody else putting you in an even more dangerous situation. 4-- The faster you drive through a red light, the smaller the chance you have of getting hit. 5-- Never get in the way of a car that needs extensive body work. (Remember no-fault insurance, he might not have much to lose, you do.) 6-- Braking is to be done as hard and late as possible to insure that your anti-lock braking system kicks to give you a nice relaxing foot massage as the brake pedal pulsates. 7-- Construction signs tell you about road closures immediately after you pass the exit but before the traffic begins to back up. 8-- The electronic traffic warning system signs are not there to provide useful information, just to make DC look progressive. 9-- Never pass on the left when you can pass on the right. It's a good way to scare people entering the highway. 10-- Speed limits are arbitrary figures to make our nation's Capitol look as if it conforms with other state policies; these are given only as suggestions and are readily unenforceable. 11-- Just because you're in the left lane and have no room to speed up or move over doesn't mean that a Beltway driver flashing his high beams behind you doesn't think he can go faster in your spot. 12-- Please remember that there is no such thing as a shortcut during rush-hour traffic in downtown DC. 13-- Always slow down and rubberneck when you see an accident or even a person changing a tire. If you're lucky, you may see the unwitting breakdown victim get mugged, the proceeds of which are vested directly into the Democratic frontrunner's campaign for mayor. 14-- Learn to swerve abruptly. The DC/Metro area is the home of the high-speed slalom driving thanks to VDOT, who put potholes in key locations to test drivers' reflexes and keep them on their toes. 15-- It is traditional in DC to honk your horn at cars that don't move the instant the light changes. The city is founded upon such traditions. 16-- Seeking eye contact with another driver revokes your right of way. 17-- Giving the finger may invite armed retaliation. 18-- All unmarked exits lead to Southeast DC. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 10:18:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11590; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07595; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29613 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804231417.KAA29613@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id J1L0QJM1; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:27:22 -0400 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:15:57 -0400 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: Is everyone going to be at the track? Cc: "'Dubnowski, Bill'" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:33 PM 4/22/98 -0400, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: Is everyone going to be at the track this weekend or would you like to do something more exciting then sit around at a race track? I was thinking of a ride. If I can spark enough interest I'll be willing to lead the group. Length would depend on who wants to go but I can do an all dayer if anyone wants. Open for suggestions. ------------------ Since a group ride didn't seem to be materializing I was going to try the PARR's Poker Run on Sunday. I'd definitely be up for a longer ride, though! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 10:26:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11748; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08041; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (known drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29829 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spud.ascend.com (fw-ext.ascend.com [198.4.92.5]) by drawbridge.ascend.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA17674; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:25:49 -0700 Received: from ascend.com by ascend.com with ESMTP id HAA29917; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:25:38 -0700 Received: from ascend.com by ascend.com id HAA13297; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:21:55 -0700 From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: "Craig Johnston" , "Thomas H. Gimer" , "'DC Cycles'" , "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "Clements, Curtis A" Cc: "'Dubnowski, Bill'" Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:26:17 -0400 Message-ID: <001801bd6ec3$c72990b0$37163495@ztyrlik.ascend.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Clements, Curtis A [mailto:CAClements@XXXXXX] > > I can do an all dayer. > Man that sound pretty impressive. > Curtis > >From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > >Subject: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > >Is everyone going to be at the track this weekend or would you like to > > >Glenn Dysart > >dysart@XXXXXX > > > >84 V30 Magna > I am interested in longer ride. Something like Senece, or some roads in West Virginia. Would like to leave West side latest around 9; what about departure from Leesburg at 8:30 or 9:00 Tom G, are you interested ? _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 10:27:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11764; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08070; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29858 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:29:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Anita Lauro'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'Dubnowski, Bill'" Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:29:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I was thinking Saturday, not Sunday. I'll be putting together some kind of ride for sure leaving sometime in the morning. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:2xracers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 1998 10:16 AM > To: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN; 'DC Cycles' > Cc: 'Dubnowski, Bill' > Subject: Re: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > At 12:33 PM 4/22/98 -0400, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > Is everyone going to be at the track this weekend or would you like to do > something more exciting then sit around at a race track? I was thinking of > a ride. If I can spark enough interest I'll be willing to lead the group. > Length would depend on who wants to go but I can do an all dayer if anyone > wants. Open for suggestions. > ------------------ > > Since a group ride didn't seem to be materializing I was going to try the > PARR's Poker Run on Sunday. I'd definitely be up for a longer ride, though! > > Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 10:32:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11852; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08251; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29977 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA24830 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:23:51 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:30:18 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:31:46 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline It's all funny. Just not for the squids who get their face shields rattled by the obnoxious little thing. >>> George Howell - 4/22/98 8:00 PM >>> >3. I've got a buddy out in LA with a 90-hp Sportster with good >suspension who hunts sportbike poseurs. Now that's comical. Which is the comical part: a Sporty with a good suspension, or 90 (reliable) hp out of same? Forgive me, I'm sure the Sporty is at least as reliable as your average Buell:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 10:55:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12542; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09565; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01130 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:56:51 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Zbigniew J. Tyrlik'" , Craig Johnston , "Thomas H. Gimer" , "'DC Cycles'" , "Clements, Curtis A" Cc: "'Dubnowski, Bill'" Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:57:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I'm interested. Lets figure something out as to our route. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > I am interested in longer ride. Something like Senece, or some roads in West > Virginia. > Would like to leave West side latest around 9; what about departure from > Leesburg at 8:30 or 9:00 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 11:02:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12904; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09743; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01711 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA21877 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:01:42 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:01:42 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:03:21 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 15 TEXT >Did I miss something here? The link I followed had a freaky lookin kit >for older sportsters priced at $1600 Nope Collin, that's it. I had a '60 XLCH back in '68 (19 - not 18) and fondly remember the beast. I've always liked Harleys, but really don't subscribe to the cruiser image or the lifestyle bits. A kitted out sportster could be just the thing for short weekend rides (its GOTTA handle better than my GSX 1100) as well as having something that would cause the Harley crowd consternation (I think that they sorta accept Buells, but a custom cafe racer (shades of the XLCR) should really throw them off) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 11:03:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12944; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09784; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01787 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id IAA08632; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id IAA29490; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA15518; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:02:17 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA15515; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:02:17 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6E8E.1A4087D0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:02:04 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Oil Filter price$ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:57:25 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 17 TEXT, 49 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Hi there! I'm going out to buy my first oil filter to change my oil myself (yeaaaaa!) and I'm curious about the prices I've been quoted for filter to fit my bike - an '88 Kaw 454 LTD. Coleman's in Falls Church wants $10 (+ or - a few pennies) Cycle Sport in Herdon wants $11.98 Manassas Kawasaki wants $10.50 I thought oil filters would be cheaper or am I just being a big cheap skate? 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M3"#(;KT!`P#Q/PD$```#`"8```````,`-@```````@%'``$````U````8SU5 M4SMA/4%45$U!24P[<#U!5%0[;#U(445.1U]-4T)2L=NO0% ``@P0A,"QLAN MO0$#``TT_3\```(!%#0!````$ ```%24H< I?Q ;I8<(`"LJ)1<>`#T``0`` M``$`````````"P`I```````+`",```````(!?P`!````4 ```#QC/553)6$] M051434%)3"5P/4%45"5L/4A114Y'7TU31S R+3DX,#0R,S$T-3; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA22519 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:05:58 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:05:58 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:08:07 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 9 TEXT >'m not trying to bash on Harleys, I actually really like the >bikes, and will probably even own one someday, but there are >so many poseurs out there it borders on comical sometimes. That about sums it up, Dale Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 11:10:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13202; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09917; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02035 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:12:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Viteri, Ursulina'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Oil Filter price$ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:12:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I just bought my Honda oil filters from a place in NY for $7. Mail order them, you'll save a bundle. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Coleman's in Falls Church wants $10 (+ or - a few pennies) > Cycle Sport in Herdon wants $11.98 > Manassas Kawasaki wants $10.50 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 11:20:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13326; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10051; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02215 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA19271; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:19:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: "Viteri, Ursulina" cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Oil Filter price$ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > Coleman's in Falls Church wants $10 (+ or - a few pennies) > Cycle Sport in Herdon wants $11.98 > Manassas Kawasaki wants $10.50 > > I thought oil filters would be cheaper or am I just being a big cheap > skate? By your filters by the box/case... One cheap source is: Banzai Motorsports, in Libertyville, IL. 800-405-7283 Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 11:31:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13536; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10174; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02483 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-181.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.181]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA13022 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:36:27 -0400 Message-ID: <353F5E7A.2CA0E86A@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:30:02 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Oil Filter price$ References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know which filter your bike uses, but Pep Boys in Woodbridge carries some of the common oil filters. The one that fits my EX250 and 4 cyl in-line Hondas is about $4. I think it's a Fram filter. Leon. Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > > Hi there! > > I'm going out to buy my first oil filter to change my oil myself (yeaaaaa!) > and I'm curious about the prices I've been quoted for filter to fit my bike > - an '88 Kaw 454 LTD. > > Coleman's in Falls Church wants $10 (+ or - a few pennies) > Cycle Sport in Herdon wants $11.98 > Manassas Kawasaki wants $10.50 > > I thought oil filters would be cheaper or am I just being a big cheap > skate? > > Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 > > Name: WINMAIL.DAT > WINMAIL.DAT Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > Encoding: x-uuencode From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 11:42:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13862; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10335; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03051 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-181.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.181]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA13371; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:47:19 -0400 Message-ID: <353F6107.C3A06B0B@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:40:55 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: billsch@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Driving in DC (humor) References: <199804231413.JAA08286@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It isn't nearly that difficult. 1) In DC there are no rules, only suggestions 2) Think of the game "Frogger" you get points for going faster, but the game ends if you don't go farther. Leon - I like riding in DC. Bill Schmidt wrote: > > BASIC RULES FOR DRIVING IN THE DC/METRO AREA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 11:49:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14044; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10457; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03389 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA17351; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA31994; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:48:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980423154811.DWBC22404@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:48:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Bill Schmidt" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Driving in DC (humor) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980423154811.DWBC22404@[166.41.242.141]> Thank you Bill! I'm ROTFLOL, having ridden in DC for ten years. Brings back fond memories (snif). Todd Message-Id: <199804231413.JAA08286@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:13:26 -0500 Subject: Driving in DC (humor) Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19980422154723.CGD22620@[166.41.242.141]> BASIC RULES FOR DRIVING IN THE DC/METRO AREA 1-- A right lane construction closure is just a game to see how many people can cut in line by passing you on the right as you sit in the left lane waiting for the same jerks to squeeze their way back in before hitting construction barrels. 2-- Turn signals are just clues as to your next move in road battle so never use them. 3-- Under no circumstances should you leave a safe distance between you and the car in front of you no matter how fast you're going. If you do, the space will be filled in by somebody else putting you in an even more dangerous situation. 4-- The faster you drive through a red light, the smaller the chance you have of getting hit. 5-- Never get in the way of a car that needs extensive body work. (Remember no-fault insurance, he might not have much to lose, you do.) 6-- Braking is to be done as hard and late as possible to insure that your anti-lock braking system kicks to give you a nice relaxing foot massage as the brake pedal pulsates. 7-- Construction signs tell you about road closures immediately after you pass the exit but before the traffic begins to back up. 8-- The electronic traffic warning system signs are not there to provide useful information, just to make DC look progressive. 9-- Never pass on the left when you can pass on the right. It's a good way to scare people entering the highway. 10-- Speed limits are arbitrary figures to make our nation's Capitol look as if it conforms with other state policies; these are given only as suggestions and are readily unenforceable. 11-- Just because you're in the left lane and have no room to speed up or move over doesn't mean that a Beltway driver flashing his high beams behind you doesn't think he can go faster in your spot. 12-- Please remember that there is no such thing as a shortcut during rush-hour traffic in downtown DC. 13-- Always slow down and rubberneck when you see an accident or even a person changing a tire. If you're lucky, you may see the unwitting breakdown victim get mugged, the proceeds of which are vested directly into the Democratic frontrunner's campaign for mayor. 14-- Learn to swerve abruptly. The DC/Metro area is the home of the high-speed slalom driving thanks to VDOT, who put potholes in key locations to test drivers' reflexes and keep them on their toes. 15-- It is traditional in DC to honk your horn at cars that don't move the instant the light changes. The city is founded upon such traditions. 16-- Seeking eye contact with another driver revokes your right of way. 17-- Giving the finger may invite armed retaliation. 18-- All unmarked exits lead to Southeast DC. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 12:06:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14776; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10987; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04429 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id MAA27943; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:12:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:12:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Viteri, Ursulina" cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Oil Filter price$ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII $7.50 (Fram), $8.00 (EMGO) here. --garcia On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > Hi there! > > I'm going out to buy my first oil filter to change my oil myself (yeaaaaa!) > and I'm curious about the prices I've been quoted for filter to fit my bike > - an '88 Kaw 454 LTD. > > Coleman's in Falls Church wants $10 (+ or - a few pennies) > Cycle Sport in Herdon wants $11.98 > Manassas Kawasaki wants $10.50 > > I thought oil filters would be cheaper or am I just being a big cheap > skate? 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Truelove" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Used Bandit prices? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980423094151.00a38100@wingate> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:41 AM 4/23/98 -0400, Mark E. Truelove wrote: > >Anybody know offhand, or know of a blue-book type source I can use, to >check out the value of a '96 Bandit 600 in good condition? Have you tried Motorcycle Consumer News? http://www.mcnews.com Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 12:54:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16550; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12779; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07793 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A1E81B902A0; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:52:56 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980423125402.00ef96d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:54:02 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Oil Filter price$ In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:57 AM 4/23/98 -0700, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: >I'm going out to buy my first oil filter to change my oil myself (yeaaaaa!) >and I'm curious about the prices I've been quoted for filter to fit my bike >- an '88 Kaw 454 LTD. > >Coleman's in Falls Church wants $10 (+ or - a few pennies) >Cycle Sport in Herdon wants $11.98 >Manassas Kawasaki wants $10.50 > >I thought oil filters would be cheaper or am I just being a big cheap >skate? Well, personally, I just buy Fram filters (after _Consumer Reports_ rated them highly for cars). $4-5. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 13:21:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17231; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12996; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sidewinder.s3i.com (known dns.s3i.com [206.233.73.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08930 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sidewinder.s3i.com (root@localhost) by sidewinder.s3i.com with ESMTP id NAA21362 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmo.s3i.com (elmo.s3i.com [10.1.0.2]) by sidewinder.s3i.com with SMTP id NAA21358 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by elmo.s3i.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA01660; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:20:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:20:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Clark E. Dorman" X-Sender: dorman@elmo Reply-To: "Clark E. Dorman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bob's BMW Open House Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For those of you who don't know, Bob'b BMW is having their open house this weekend, on Sat., 25 April. I am planning on visiting it, and last time I talked (through email) Colleen of MotorLE fame she is going to be showing her wares. I will be caging it up there, partly because I will have child in tow, and partly because Bob's is working on my BMW. I'll be walking around about noonish and would love to meet other dc-cycles types who are there as well. I'm looking for a sissy bar and a new used speedo. For directions, go to: (BTW, I'm not very happy with Bob's right now, as they are having difficulty fixing my '77 R75. They had to replace the clutch pushrod, requiring lots of labor [remove rear wheel, remove transmission, etc.] because the brand new clutch cable keeps getting out of adjustment, to the point that it was all the way adjusted out and barely disengaged the clutch. I was supposed to pick it up last Saturday, but when they tried to bring it around the guy riding it over (Josh, nice guy) almost killed himself because the clutch would not disengage and he had to kill the engine to stop. Very ugly. They now think it is the rear plate of the transmission, which requires them to take it all apart again. They were supposed to call and tell me what is going on, but they didn't. I've called them to ask what is going on and they won't return my calls (as of Thursday at 1:20) which makes me think that I won't have it this weekend. End result: I am not very happy with them at all. I've always heard good things about them and this just doesn't fit in with what I've heard. I'll send updates if people are interested. And if someone from Bob's reads this, tell them to call me.) -- Clark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 13:56:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17784; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13597; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09969 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id BNRSa28250; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:55:18 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <1286e361.353f8089@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:55:18 EDT To: dorman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Bob's BMW Open House Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 >For those of you who don't know, Bob'b BMW is having their open house this >weekend, on Sat., 25 April. I am planning on visiting it, and last time I >talked (through email) Colleen of MotorLE fame she is going to be showing >her wares. Yep, I'll be there. I can't fit all my stuff in the car, so if anyone wants to see a particular item, it would be a good idea to let me know. Hm, it's been a while since I have sent a shameless commercial post... you can see my inventory at: http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html non-commercial: I've actually been riding my motorcycle a bit. Imagine that! Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 14:03:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17891; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13732; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10129 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A21B16E00D6; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:02:06 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980423140038.00efc690@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:00:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Oil Filter price$ In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:29 PM 4/23/98 -0400, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >I guess you never saw the report where a particular FRAM for a Honda >motorcycle blew apart on the race track? Never heard of it. Got some more details? > Start out with: http://math.uwaterloo.ca/~rblander/oil_filters.txt for more >information on this. All that said was not to use a car filter on a bike. Sounds reasonable. > For an extra $3 I think I'll stick with someone who knows >the bike the best, that would be Honda. I don't need the extra $3 to take the >chance. Makes sense. I'm just not convinced I get more for my money buying a filter that Honda had someone make them. >Same with the cages, I'm sticking with OEM. Don't know about my bike filter but >I know some cage after market filters don't have the required anti-drainback >valve. The least risky choice is probably to use OEM, all other things being equal. However, when _Consumer Reports_ tested car oil filters, the OEM filters performed worse than the aftermarket (if I remember correctly). It wasn't the aftermarket folks who were saving money by specifying lower-grade filters, it was the motorcycle manufacturers themselves. _Consumer Reports- results showed Fram to make the best oil filters and Castrol to make the best oil. I've stuck with both ever since (though I've used synthetic Mobil 1 in my bikes sometimes). I think the next time I change oil I'll cut apart my old filter and see what it looks like inside. And I'll do the same with an OEM filter to compare. thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 14:08:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17968; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13889; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mastermind-tech.com (known [38.181.52.2] [38.181.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10283 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.mastermind-tech.com ([38.181.52.8]) by smtp.mastermind-tech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA14649 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804231813.OAA14649@smtp.mastermind-tech.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "David Lowenstein" Organization: MasterMind Technologies, Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:04:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: BMW Repairs Reply-to: dlowenst@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Hi Clark - It's perhaps a little late for you now, but I noticed in last month's issue of the AMA magazine (I think) there was an article about a slightly kooky guy in Arlington who specializes exclusively in old BMW repairs. The article made him out as both very good and pretty inexpensive. I don't think I saved the mag, so I can't provide much more info. Maybe someone else still has it if you're interested in tracking the guy down. Good Luck. Dave > (BTW, I'm not very happy with Bob's right now, as they are having > difficulty fixing my '77 R75. ========================================= Dave Lowenstein Washington, DC dlowenst@XXXXXX 67 E-Type OTS S1.5 driver 71 Olds Cutlass Convertible 79 Triumph T140E Bonneville Keeping parts guys in business nationwide ========================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 14:23:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18319; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14517; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11053 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA22418; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:23:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Oil Filter price$ In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980423140038.00efc690@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > At 01:29 PM 4/23/98 -0400, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > >I guess you never saw the report where a particular FRAM for a Honda > >motorcycle blew apart on the race track? > > Never heard of it. Got some more details? These were the filters for the Hawk GT, the F2/F3, the RR, etc. I'm too lazy to walk downstairs and check the model # but I'm pretty sure it's 6017. There was a batch that was bad and they've since added an A to the model # to differentiate between the good ones and the bad ones. As far as I know, there are no race sanctioning bodies that won't allow the 6017A filters - they did outlaw the 6017. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 14:47:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18651; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15031; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11752 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AC821E500D6; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:46:26 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980423144203.00f20100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:42:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: BMW Repairs In-Reply-To: <199804231813.OAA14649@smtp.mastermind-tech.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:04 PM 4/23/98 -0500, David Lowenstein wrote: >It's perhaps a little late for you now, but I noticed in last month's >issue of the AMA magazine (I think) there was an article about a >slightly kooky guy in Arlington who specializes exclusively in old >BMW repairs. The article made him out as both very good and pretty >inexpensive. > >I don't think I saved the mag, so I can't provide much more info. >Maybe someone else still has it if you're interested in tracking the >guy down. Sounds like Lap Nguyen. I forget the name of his shop, though (I could get it, a couple friends go there all the time). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 14:55:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18834; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15376; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12049 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA23002 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:55:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: AAA Map'n'Go Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok, The Delorme coupon thingie I received for Map'n'Go 4.0 has a 24.95 price for the first copy you buy and a 19.95 price for additional copies. I don't expect that this will be the best deal you can find on it. Coupled with a web browser Street Atlas USA probably covers 99% of the functionality of Map'n'Go... Anyway, if you want the coupon just let me know. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 15:05:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19027; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15629; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12345 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13122; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <353F9082.637CB673@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:03:30 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oil Filter price$ References: <3.0.1.32.19980423140038.00efc690@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep, I remember reading about the one that blew apart on the racer (maybe on the racelist??..can't remember) But I also recall reading an article that almost all the OEM oil filters are made by Fram anyhow....Just relabled for the manufacturer... you find a lot of that kind of thing on cages... Brakes are the same way... the OEM brake pads on a lot of models (especially my suzukis) are about the best you can get, but to buy OEM replacements are about $60/rotor!!! Wanna guess who really makes those pads?? Vesrah...they make a lot of OEM pads and are tons cheaper... -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 15:30:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19539; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16180; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail7.geocities.com [209.1.224.27]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13334 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02653; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <353F95C1.E80E6E9@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:25:53 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oil Filter price$ References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I recall, there was only one that really blew up, and that was by a high level racer... where the machinery stresses are much higher than pretty much any street riding..."the world may never know" Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > If that's the case I wonder why nobody with a Honda filter had one blow apart? Probably different specs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 15:31:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19551; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16196; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mastermind-tech.com (known [38.181.52.2] [38.181.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13379 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.mastermind-tech.com ([38.181.52.8]) by smtp.mastermind-tech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA14890 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804231936.PAA14890@smtp.mastermind-tech.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "David Lowenstein" Organization: MasterMind Technologies, Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:28:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: BMW Repairs Reply-to: dlowenst@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980423144203.00f20100@mail.toward.com> References: <199804231813.OAA14649@smtp.mastermind-tech.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) That was the guy. - Dave > Sounds like Lap Nguyen. I forget the name of his shop, though (I > could get it, a couple friends go there all the time). ========================================= Dave Lowenstein Washington, DC dlowenst@XXXXXX 67 E-Type OTS S1.5 driver 71 Olds Cutlass Convertible 79 Triumph T140E Bonneville Keeping parts guys in business nationwide ========================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 16:07:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20412; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16615; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14901 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-181.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.181]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA21828 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:12:06 -0400 Message-ID: <353F9F13.EA9F083F@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:05:39 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Spring Fling Riding Events. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After doing a quick recon of the streets near Dale and Tracy's house, the following riding events are proposed for the Spring Fling. The events and scoring are modeled after the Mid-Atlantic Police Motorcycle Rodeo. An additional event not listed below is a 60 foot slow ride inside a two foot wide box. The slow ride will have a separate prize. 1. An offset cone weave modeled after the MSF and Virginia riding test weave. There will be 7 cones approximately 15 feet apart with a 4 foot offset. 2. The circles event from the January get together. This consists of 3 circles in a cloverleaf arrangement. The circles have a 9 foot radius, with 4 feet of overlap. Six circles must be traversed, 3 times around in each direction. 3. Four consecutive 90 degree turns. Right, Left, Left, Right. The inside edge of the corner will be marked by a stick of not less than 3 feet height. The stick cannot be touched and the lines cannot be crossed. The path of travel will be 4 ft wide. 4. The braking event from the MSF course/Virginia Riding test. The event has a 44 foot timing section, with stopping distance based on the speed through the timing section. Rules: Each competitor may practice on the events as many times as desired. After sufficient practice, the competitor will notify the scorer (probably me) and ride through each event twice. One point will be deducted for each line crossed, stick touched, or foot dabbed. In the braking event, one point will be deducted for each foot past the recommended stopping distance unless the speed is above 20 mph or below 12 mph in which case 5 points will be deducted for improper speed. Those competitors who are within 2 points of the best score will be finalists. All finalists will traverse all four events without stopping between events one additional time. The winner is the competitor with the fewest points for all three passes of each event (The two previous and the final combined pass) If a tie exists, the winner will be the person with the fastest time on the last pass of the events. If you wish to make a change to these rules, submit the proposed change to me via the list. Final rule changes will be announced Thursday 30 April. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 16:46:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21044; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18096; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15960 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA08965; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA23702; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:44:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980423204431.FMYF22404@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:44:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Spring Fling Riding Events. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980423204431.FMYF22404@[166.41.242.141]> Cheese n Rice, Leon! The courses look great, but the stickly rulings are really in our face! For this kind of competition there better be a moto-cool prize for the weiner, and runner-up wiener ;-) Todd Message-ID: <353F9F13.EA9F083F@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:05:39 -0400 From: Leon Begeman To: dc-cycles Subject: Spring Fling Riding Events. After doing a quick recon of the streets near Dale and Tracy's house, the following riding events are proposed for the Spring Fling. The events and scoring are modeled after the Mid-Atlantic Police Motorcycle Rodeo. An additional event not listed below is a 60 foot slow ride inside a two foot wide box. The slow ride will have a separate prize. 1. An offset cone weave modeled after the MSF and Virginia riding test weave. There will be 7 cones approximately 15 feet apart with a 4 foot offset. 2. The circles event from the January get together. This consists of 3 circles in a cloverleaf arrangement. The circles have a 9 foot radius, with 4 feet of overlap. Six circles must be traversed, 3 times around in each direction. 3. Four consecutive 90 degree turns. Right, Left, Left, Right. The inside edge of the corner will be marked by a stick of not less than 3 feet height. The stick cannot be touched and the lines cannot be crossed. The path of travel will be 4 ft wide. 4. The braking event from the MSF course/Virginia Riding test. The event has a 44 foot timing section, with stopping distance based on the speed through the timing section. Rules: Each competitor may practice on the events as many times as desired. After sufficient practice, the competitor will notify the scorer (probably me) and ride through each event twice. One point will be deducted for each line crossed, stick touched, or foot dabbed. In the braking event, one point will be deducted for each foot past the recommended stopping distance unless the speed is above 20 mph or below 12 mph in which case 5 points will be deducted for improper speed. Those competitors who are within 2 points of the best score will be finalists. All finalists will traverse all four events without stopping between events one additional time. The winner is the competitor with the fewest points for all three passes of each event (The two previous and the final combined pass) If a tie exists, the winner will be the person with the fastest time on the last pass of the events. If you wish to make a change to these rules, submit the proposed change to me via the list. Final rule changes will be announced Thursday 30 April. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 17:17:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21592; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19275; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17151 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:07:23 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:07:00 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Spring Fling events Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Spring Fling events Alright, Leon! Looks pretty organized. I hope you can compete as well as judge, unless that's ruled to be a conflict of interest. :) Sean Sullivan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 18:07:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22180; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20568; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ice.clark.net (known ice.clark.net [168.143.0.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18174 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the-dilbernator (pooh-ppp.clark.net [168.143.1.54]) by ice.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA19969; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980423180523.006b8750@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:12:00 -0400 To: "Thomas H. Gimer" , "Mark E. Truelove" From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Used Bandit prices? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Duh. And I even have one of these. :) Thanks guys! MET >$3820. March '98 MCN. --------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove Email: true@XXXXXX WWW: http://www.clark.net/pub.pooh ... playing around at work, like I shouldn't be ... --------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 21:01:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24233; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22825; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21219 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18995; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust031.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.31]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA31588 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:06:55 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980423205746.006a29f4@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:57:46 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Spring Fling Riding Events. At 16:36 23-04-98 -0400, you wrote: > >Cheese n Rice, Leon! > > The courses look great, but the stickly rulings >are really in our face! For this kind of competition there better >be a moto-cool prize for the weiner, and runner-up wiener ;-) > Todd, I apologize about the rules, I guess I've been writing government/military documents too long. How about just saying take your time to learn the course, then when you're ready, ride each event twice while somebody watches. They'll count your mistakes. Anybody that gets close to not hitting anything or falling down can ride through the whole course one more time to determine the best of the best. Moto-cool prizes will be awarded to the those who end up on the podium. I guess that means I'll have to top the ZX-9R that was the prize last time. :-) Leon. > >After doing a quick recon of the streets near Dale and Tracy's house, >the following riding events are proposed for the Spring Fling. The >events and scoring are modeled after the Mid-Atlantic Police Motorcycle >Rodeo. An additional event not listed below is a 60 foot slow ride >inside a two foot wide box. The slow ride will have a separate prize. > >1. An offset cone weave modeled after the MSF and Virginia riding test >weave. There will be 7 cones approximately 15 feet apart with a 4 foot >offset. > >2. The circles event from the January get together. This consists of 3 >circles in a cloverleaf arrangement. The circles have a 9 foot radius, >with 4 feet of overlap. Six circles must be traversed, 3 times around >in each direction. > >3. Four consecutive 90 degree turns. Right, Left, Left, Right. The >inside edge of the corner will be marked by a stick of not less than 3 >feet height. The stick cannot be touched and the lines cannot be >crossed. The path of travel will be 4 ft wide. > >4. The braking event from the MSF course/Virginia Riding test. The >event has a 44 foot timing section, with stopping distance based on the >speed through the timing section. > >Rules: > >Each competitor may practice on the events as many times as desired. >After sufficient practice, the competitor will notify the scorer >(probably me) and ride through each event twice. One point will be >deducted for each line crossed, stick touched, or foot dabbed. In the >braking event, one point will be deducted for each foot past the >recommended stopping distance unless the speed is above 20 mph or below >12 mph in which case 5 points will be deducted for improper speed. > >Those competitors who are within 2 points of the best score will be >finalists. All finalists will traverse all four events without stopping >between events one additional time. The winner is the competitor with >the fewest points for all three passes of each event (The two previous >and the final combined pass) If a tie exists, the winner will be the >person with the fastest time on the last pass of the events. > >If you wish to make a change to these rules, submit the proposed change >to me via the list. Final rule changes will be announced Thursday 30 >April. > >Leon. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 21:37:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24578; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22965; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21815 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.35] (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:35:43 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BMW Repairs Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 21:38:32 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Sounds like Lap Nguyen. I forget the name of his shop, though (I could get >it, a couple friends go there all the time). That's him. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 21:37:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24582; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22969; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21819 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.35] (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:35:47 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bob's BMW Open House Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 21:38:35 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Clark E. Dorman" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" This certainly doesn't sound like the Bobs I've heard of. But if you do decide to split from them, might I suggest Morton's? Not employee, just a satisfied customer. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 21:37:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24589; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22973; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21823 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.35] (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:35:54 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Oil Filter price$ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 21:38:42 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , "'DC Cycles'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Coleman's in Falls Church wants $10 (+ or - a few pennies) >Cycle Sport in Herdon wants $11.98 >Manassas Kawasaki wants $10.50 > >I thought oil filters would be cheaper or am I just being a big cheap >skate? Leon is the only person who MIGHT be able to get a bike for the savings from cheaper filters. FWIW, the GL filter was only about $5. Kawi filter was around $7. BMW filter.... I'd rather not discuss that. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 21:38:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24594; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22980; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21838 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.35] (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:35:59 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 21:38:48 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >Which is the comical part: a Sporty with a good suspension, or 90 (reliable) >> hp out of same? >> >90% of it , isnt the bike, its the rider....;) And honestly, I'd have to say that at least 5 of the remaining percent has to be tires. Can't wait to see what the Ratwing can do on some new rubber. (Actually might be a bad idea. Even with the old tires, I could easily get it low enough to lever the rear off of the ground. Gotta learn to kick back, put the feet on the highway pegs, and suck up the miles.) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 21:38:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24595; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22978; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21831 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.35] (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:35:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Directions to Winchester Indian Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 21:38:45 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Any idea what the problems were? Unpaid tariffs, didn't meet emissions? Those are really nifty bikes. I gotta see one. And I REALLY don't want to go to PA for the privelege. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 21:50:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24750; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23207; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21985 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA25216; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:49:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-60.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.124) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma025033; Thu Apr 23 20:48:54 1998 Message-ID: <354003FD.1FC0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:16:13 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Directions to Winchester Indian References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > Any idea what the problems were? Unpaid tariffs, didn't meet emissions? > > Those are really nifty bikes. I gotta see one. And I REALLY don't want to > go to PA for the privelege. I understand that it was an emissions problem. Apparently the bikes made it to the sales floor without having the Russian carbs pulled and EPA spec ones installed. Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 23 22:01:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24832; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23343; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22159 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA26424; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:00:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-60.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.124) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma026398; Thu Apr 23 20:59:52 1998 Message-ID: <354006C9.7517@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:28:09 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > And honestly, I'd have to say that at least 5 of the remaining percent > has to be tires. Can't wait to see what the Ratwing can do on some new > Yeah tell me about it, I have squared off the rear dunlop so bad from all the Dulles TollRoad, greenway ,Highway type stuff, that I can feel it slipping over the edge every time I lean over. A rather squirrely feeling...Ugh. Makes it interesting at times though. -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 07:18:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00009; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03614; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA28240 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from krosenba.erols.com (207-172-73-235.s235.tnt1.man.erols.com [207.172.73.235]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA20546; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980424071615.007d4a00@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: krosenba@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:16:15 -0400 To: Chris Norloff , dc.bikes@XXXXXX, DC-cycles From: Karl Rosenbaum Subject: Re: BMW Repairs In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980423144203.00f20100@mail.toward.com> References: <199804231813.OAA14649@smtp.mastermind-tech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:42 PM 04/23/1998 -0400, you wrote: >At 02:04 PM 4/23/98 -0500, David Lowenstein wrote: >>It's perhaps a little late for you now, but I noticed in last month's >>issue of the AMA magazine (I think) there was an article about a >>slightly kooky guy in Arlington who specializes exclusively in old >>BMW repairs. The article made him out as both very good and pretty >>inexpensive. >> >>I don't think I saved the mag, so I can't provide much more info. >>Maybe someone else still has it if you're interested in tracking the >>guy down. > >Sounds like Lap Nguyen. I forget the name of his shop, though (I could get >it, a couple friends go there all the time). Yep that is Lap. I used to take the old bike there, but have recently been doing most of my work myself. He is located in Alexandria 3021 Colvin Street (this is a small street right behind the Geneorus George on Duke. 703 461-9404 When it comes to R bikes he is great. Not too sure about some of the difficult jobs for the new oil heads though. He can't be beat for tires also. His larbor rate is about $20 less an hour than either Bob's or Morton's. I go there all the time. Regards, Karl Rosenbaum Woodbridge, Va 94 K1100LTA - name-less for now BMWRA,BMWMOA,BMWBMW, AMA krosenba@XXXXXX http://www.erols.com/krosenba From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 07:33:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00128; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04103; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA28377 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22519; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust013.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.13]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA13135 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:39:00 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980424072953.0068ee9c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:29:53 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply At 21:38 23-04-98 -0400, George wrote: >Gotta learn to kick back, put the feet on the highway pegs, and suck up the >miles.) > Sounds like another volunteer for the DC Cycles to Deal's Gap SS1000. ;-) Leon. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 08:00:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00220; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04282; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA28610 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:59:24 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565F0.0041ED6F ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:00:06 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Dysart@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565F0.0040906C.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:00:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Is everyone going to be at the track? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Is everyone going to be at the track this weekend or would you like to do something more exciting then sit around at a race track? I was thinking of a ride. If I can spark enough interest I'll be willing to lead the group. Length would depend on who wants to go but I can do an all dayer if anyone wants. Open for suggestions. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna The weather forcast for Saturday is beautiful. So it would be great day for an all dayer. Glen if you do decide to do this, do me a favor and call me at home this evening (703-941-9264) just in case I don't see the email notice. I will be taking a half day off from work and I might not have access to my email after noon today. Thanks Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 08:08:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00288; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAB04444; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28758 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A0B176501D6; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:08:17 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980424080134.00f26780@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:01:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Spring Fling Riding Events. In-Reply-To: <19980423204431.FMYF22404@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:36 PM 4/23/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > >Cheese n Rice, Leon! Have you been watching Wallace & Grommit again? :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 08:09:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00292; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04446; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28761 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A0AE76501D6; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:08:17 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980424080341.00f2b8c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:03:41 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Spring Fling events In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:07 PM 4/23/98 -0400, Sean Sullivan wrote: >Re: Spring Fling events > >Alright, Leon! Looks pretty organized. I hope you can compete as well as judge, unless that's ruled to be a conflict >of interest. :) That depends on how well he does. :-) I think Collin will be the one to beat, based on his convincing win in the earlier circling. I think we should duct tape his fingers together. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 08:09:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00295; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAB04447; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28764 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A0B276501D6; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:08:18 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980424080750.00f26260@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:07:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply In-Reply-To: <354006C9.7517@ix.netcom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:28 PM 4/23/98 -0700, Ken wrote: >George Howell wrote: > >> And honestly, I'd have to say that at least 5 of the remaining percent >> has to be tires. Can't wait to see what the Ratwing can do on some new >> >Yeah tell me about it, I have squared off the rear dunlop so bad from >all the Dulles TollRoad, greenway ,Highway type stuff, that I can feel >it slipping over the edge every time I lean over. A rather squirrely >feeling...Ugh. Makes it interesting at times though. Do what I did - go take a spirited ride one weekday on the Blue Ridge Parkway. 440 miles one day on the BRP and my tire was nicely rounded again. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 08:09:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00302; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04440; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28755 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A0B076501D6; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:08:16 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980424075923.00f14100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:59:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Spring Fling Riding Events. In-Reply-To: <353F9F13.EA9F083F@illuminet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:05 PM 4/23/98 -0400, Leon Begeman wrote: >After doing a quick recon of the streets near Dale and Tracy's house, >the following riding events are proposed for the Spring Fling. The >events and scoring are modeled after the Mid-Atlantic Police Motorcycle >Rodeo. An additional event not listed below is a 60 foot slow ride >inside a two foot wide box. The slow ride will have a separate prize. Sounds good! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 08:14:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00373; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04530; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known [128.126.170.15] [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28813 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6F58.8EEBDFB0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:11:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Spring Fling Riding Events. Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:11:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 71 TEXT Yep - there's going to really cool, one of a kind type prizes that you can only get at the Spring Fling. ---------- From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 23, 1998 4:36 PM To: Leon Begeman Cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Spring Fling Riding Events. Cheese n Rice, Leon! The courses look great, but the stickly rulings are really in our face! For this kind of competition there better be a moto-cool prize for the weiner, and runner-up wiener ;-) Todd Message-ID: <353F9F13.EA9F083F@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:05:39 -0400 From: Leon Begeman To: dc-cycles Subject: Spring Fling Riding Events. After doing a quick recon of the streets near Dale and Tracy's house, the following riding events are proposed for the Spring Fling. The events and scoring are modeled after the Mid-Atlantic Police Motorcycle Rodeo. An additional event not listed below is a 60 foot slow ride inside a two foot wide box. The slow ride will have a separate prize. 1. An offset cone weave modeled after the MSF and Virginia riding test weave. There will be 7 cones approximately 15 feet apart with a 4 foot offset. 2. The circles event from the January get together. This consists of 3 circles in a cloverleaf arrangement. The circles have a 9 foot radius, with 4 feet of overlap. Six circles must be traversed, 3 times around in each direction. 3. Four consecutive 90 degree turns. Right, Left, Left, Right. The inside edge of the corner will be marked by a stick of not less than 3 feet height. The stick cannot be touched and the lines cannot be crossed. The path of travel will be 4 ft wide. 4. The braking event from the MSF course/Virginia Riding test. The event has a 44 foot timing section, with stopping distance based on the speed through the timing section. Rules: Each competitor may practice on the events as many times as desired. After sufficient practice, the competitor will notify the scorer (probably me) and ride through each event twice. One point will be deducted for each line crossed, stick touched, or foot dabbed. In the braking event, one point will be deducted for each foot past the recommended stopping distance unless the speed is above 20 mph or below 12 mph in which case 5 points will be deducted for improper speed. Those competitors who are within 2 points of the best score will be finalists. All finalists will traverse all four events without stopping between events one additional time. The winner is the competitor with the fewest points for all three passes of each event (The two previous and the final combined pass) If a tie exists, the winner will be the person with the fastest time on the last pass of the events. If you wish to make a change to these rules, submit the proposed change to me via the list. Final rule changes will be announced Thursday 30 April. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 08:20:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00525; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04785; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28919 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id FAA29037; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id FAA25002; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id FAA25985; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:18:48 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id FAA25982; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:18:47 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6F40.6D483240@XXXXXX>; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:18:33 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Anybody Riding to Summit Point on Sunday? Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:13:56 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 10 TEXT, 46 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 If anybody is riding to Summit Point on Sunday and wouldn't mind a tag-along, please give me a call or send me an email before 2 pm today. 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M5%1-04E,)7 ]0514)6P]2%%%3D=?35-',#(M.3@P-#(T,3(Q,S4V6BTQ.35 <:'$M;7-G,#$N;G=E; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id FAA29202; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id FAA25174; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id FAA26202; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:20:24 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id FAA26183; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:20:21 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6F40.A4B46DC0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:20:06 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Spring Fling events Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:15:30 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 27 TEXT Like duct tape would stop him! He'd use it to his advantage somehow. ;-) Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 5:04 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Spring Fling events > >At 05:07 PM 4/23/98 -0400, Sean Sullivan wrote: >>Re: Spring Fling events >> >>Alright, Leon! Looks pretty organized. I hope you can compete as well as >judge, unless that's ruled to be a conflict >>of interest. :) > >That depends on how well he does. :-) I think Collin will be the one to >beat, based on his convincing win in the earlier circling. I think we >should duct tape his fingers together. > >Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 08:24:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00569; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04891; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28985 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA13902 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:24:14 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:24:14 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Incident this morning Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:26:23 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 4 TEXT The morning news mentioned a 'cycle accident on 95 near Dale City - has anyone heard anything further? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 08:41:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00704; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06013; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29233 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id FAA01671; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id FAA27345; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id FAA27551; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:39:43 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id FAA27548; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:39:42 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6F43.5951FFC0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:39:28 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: FYI: Sale at Coleman's this Fri & Sat Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:34:49 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 10 TEXT, 47 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 There was an ad in yesterday's Wash Times Weekend Section (back cover) for a sale at Coleman's Powersport in Falls Church and Woodbridge. 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Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18794; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804241303.JAA18794@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: FYI: Sale at Coleman's this Fri & Sat To: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX (Viteri Ursulina" ) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: from "Viteri, Ursulina" " at Apr 24, 98 05:34:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > There was an ad in yesterday's Wash Times Weekend Section (back cover) for > a sale at Coleman's Powersport in Falls Church and Woodbridge. One coupon > was for 20% of any non-sale part or accessory. > > Now I can get my oil filter $2 cheaper! :) If you sign up to bo on Coleman's mailing list, you'll occasionally get not only a 20% off coupon, but a "$10 use as cash however you'd like" coupon. For Chanukkah, I got myself a pair glove liners and 8 earplugs for a grand total of $1 (with the coupon of course). Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 09:16:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01034; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06602; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (known antiochus-fe0.ultra.net [146.115.8.188]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29884 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:16:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Glenn_Norwicke@XXXXXX Received: from notes.jackmorton.com ([209.6.53.22]) by antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult.n14767) with SMTP id JAA05064 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by notes.jackmorton.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP MTA v1.1.04 (495.1 10-24-1997)) id 852565F0.00486B3D ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:11:00 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: JACK MORTON To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565F0.0048EBFE.00@notes.jackmorton.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:19:46 -0400 Subject: Inspection in MD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I just rejoined the list after about a 1.5yr absence (sold my bike). I need to get my 92 Bandit 400 inspected in MD. I called two places; Cycles USA wanted $37 and an Exxon near there said $45. Is that the going rate? When I lived in VA I think I paid like $5 or maybe $15. Any recommendations would be appreciated? thanks! glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 09:27:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01254; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06873; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sidewinder.s3i.com (known dns.s3i.com [206.233.73.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00110 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sidewinder.s3i.com (root@localhost) by sidewinder.s3i.com with ESMTP id JAA02819; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmo.s3i.com (elmo.s3i.com [10.1.0.2]) by sidewinder.s3i.com with SMTP id JAA02815; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by elmo.s3i.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA12703; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:26:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:26:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Clark E. Dorman" X-Sender: dorman@elmo To: George Howell cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bob's BMW Open House In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, George Howell wrote: > This certainly doesn't sound like the Bobs I've heard of. But if you do > decide to split from them, might I suggest Morton's? Not employee, just a > satisfied customer. Thanks to everyone for the recommendations, especially the guy in Arlington, since I'm in Falls Church (approximately a stone's throw from Colemans). There are few things more annoying than getting someone to cage you up to Jessup MD in your riding gear, only to then find out that it is not ready. Something closer would be nice. I had heard that the person who ran the shop at Capitol Cycles (near Dulles airport) had started on his own, and I wonder is this is him. Update: Bob's called finally. They are cutting me a deal on labor for taking it apart again to replace the rear transmission housing. But, they can't get to it until some time next week because of backup. I am not convinced that this will solve the problem, but I have to admit that it needed doing anyway. I had _better_ have it by the time the Spring Fling comes around. -- Clark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 09:48:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01834; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07457; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00947 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p194.smart.net [206.97.127.194]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19099; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:47:36 -0400 Message-ID: <354096C4.5A7CC908@smart.net> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:42:29 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn_Norwicke@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection in MD References: <852565F0.0048EBFE.00@notes.jackmorton.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maryland's inspection test is more rigorous than VA's. Brake wear, tire wear, lights, etc.... Mechanics charge at least 1/2 hour of labor (I think). I've been told to use the Germantown Amoco station on Rt 118 for inspections. Don't expect to pay less much than $35 or so anywhere in this state. Sorry. Glenn_Norwicke@XXXXXX wrote: > I just rejoined the list after about a 1.5yr absence (sold my bike). I need > to get my 92 Bandit 400 inspected in MD. I called two places; Cycles USA > wanted $37 and an Exxon near there said $45. Is that the going rate? When I > lived in VA I think I paid like $5 or maybe $15. Any recommendations would > be appreciated? > thanks! -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 09:54:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01887; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07527; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01090 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA18126 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:52:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA18493 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980424135247.GLLS29444@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:52:47 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Deals Gap X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980424135247.GLLS29444@[166.41.242.141]> I was just looking over the DC-Cycles to Deals Gap page and notice that a few of the 'maybe I'll go's still haven't confirmed. Com'on guys! Steve Beck 1985 - Yamaha VMAX Chris Meier 1994 - Suzuki RF900 David M. Wakefield 1995 - Suzuki RF900R Michael Jordon 1993 - Suzuki GSX 1100GP George Howell 1997 - BMW R850R Jeannette O'Brien 1985 - Honda Interceptor 500 Tom Zell 1986 - Honda Interceptor VFR750F If you haven't signed up to go yet, drop me a line and I'll get your name out there. This goes for everyone interested (lurkers). And then come over to the Horstmans for the Spring Fling as we will be discussing 'The Plan'. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 10:09:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02194; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08203; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01503 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA26768; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:07:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA25584; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:07:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980424140744.HAJU22404@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:07:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Glenn_Norwicke@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection in MD X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980424140744.HAJU22404@[166.41.242.141]> Well, in VA you have to have the inspection done every year. Not sure but I thought a single inspection was required in MD, and no more as long as you own the bike. That'd be 7.5 years of ownership to even out to the VA rate in todays $$. Not bad. Todd Glenn wrote: >I just rejoined the list after about a 1.5yr absence (sold my bike). I need >to get my 92 Bandit 400 inspected in MD. I called two places; Cycles USA >wanted $37 and an Exxon near there said $45. Is that the going rate? When I >lived in VA I think I paid like $5 or maybe $15. Any recommendations would >be appreciated? >thanks! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 10:13:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02284; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08489; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01647 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.38] (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:11:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Inspection in MD Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 10:14:04 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I just rejoined the list after about a 1.5yr absence (sold my bike). I need >to get my 92 Bandit 400 inspected in MD. I called two places; Cycles USA >wanted $37 and an Exxon near there said $45. Is that the going rate? When I >lived in VA I think I paid like $5 or maybe $15. Any recommendations would >be appreciated? Can't remember, but I think that the state gets a fair chunck of the fee ($25??) so the inspection is going to be a bit much. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 10:13:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02293; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08497; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01665 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23607; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.38] (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:11:17 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 10:14:06 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Leon Begeman" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Sounds like another volunteer for the DC Cycles to Deal's Gap SS1000. ;-) Unfortunately, the condition of the seat on the bike definately precludes that. There's a nice prostate pincher up front that makes it uncomfortable after about 75 miles or so. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 10:19:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02362; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08710; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01779 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AEFF1142040E; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:17:35 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980424101811.00ed8b90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:18:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Spring Fling events In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Okay, we duct tape his knees together, but leave his feet and ankles free so he has a chance. Chris Norloff ****************************************************************** At 09:55 AM 4/24/98 -0400, Sean Sullivan wrote: >Re: Spring Fling events > >Just fingers? Collin might have a tougher time of it if we duct taped his legs together. > Sean > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >At 05:07 PM 4/23/98 -0400, Sean Sullivan wrote: >>Re: Spring Fling events >> >>Alright, Leon! Looks pretty organized. I hope you can compete as well as >judge, unless that's ruled to be a conflict >>of interest. :) > >That depends on how well he does. :-) I think Collin will be the one to >beat, based on his convincing win in the earlier circling. I think we >should duct tape his fingers together. > >Chris Norloff > > > > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 10:22:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02396; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08822; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01849 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:12:09 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:11:56 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: CBR1000 for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline CBR1000 for sale (forwarded by Sean Sullivan) I'd like to post this to the Kozyn Classifieds. A friend of a friend is selling a CBR1000 and asking $5,500, in case anyone is ... >>>>>>>>> ... interested in buying a '94 CBR1000, 7700 miles, garage kept, dual exhaust, corbin seat, many more extras, red, white and black (mostly white)... A friend of mine wants to take his bike to the shop to sell, so i told him i would spread the word! He's the only owner, he lost interest in it and hasn't ridden it in probably 1 year and 1/2. His name is Stephen Kim, email: Kim_Stephen@XXXXXX, phone (H)703.522.7754 (W)703.518.3019 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 10:23:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02421; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08868; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01894 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA21391; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35409FB8.4501B2AB@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:20:40 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas H. Gimer" CC: Glenn_Norwicke@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection in MD References: <852565F0.0048EBFE.00@notes.jackmorton.com> <354096C4.5A7CC908@smart.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Geez... one more reason I'm glad I'm not an official resident of this region... back when I was an Oklahoma resident, they do a very thorough annual inspection similar to the MD one, but state law keeps the fee at $5... Now that I'm an Oregon resident....what's an inspection :) he he he The only inspection they require is a 5 year emmisions inspection on cages.. bikes don't have any requirements... Collin Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > > Maryland's inspection test is more rigorous than VA's. Brake wear, tire wear, > lights, etc.... Mechanics charge at least 1/2 hour of labor (I think). I've > been told to use the Germantown Amoco station on Rt 118 for inspections. Don't > expect to pay less much than $35 or so anywhere in this state. Sorry. -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 10:24:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02436; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08890; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01912 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA03865 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:22:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA17077 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:22:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980424142244.FIXN24338@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:22:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Bike fall down, go boom? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980424142244.FIXN24338@[166.41.242.141]> http://www.urethanesupply.com/ or http://www.duramixpec.com/ Todd (no affiliations, just FYI) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 10:28:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02548; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08982; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02058 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA23017 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:27:12 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:27:12 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Deals Gap Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:29:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 12 TEXT >I was just looking over the DC-Cycles to Deals Gap page and notice >that a few of the 'maybe I'll go's still haven't confirmed. Com'on >guys! Todd, It's not looking good for me to do the whole enchilada - however; I'm going to try and drop down on Saturday and return on Sunday - two days I think I can get away with. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 11:08:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03109; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10579; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03392 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA09626; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:15:16 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:15:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Glenn_Norwicke@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection in MD In-Reply-To: <852565F0.0048EBFE.00@notes.jackmorton.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just got my new bike inspected at the Shell station just south of Beltway Plaza on MD193 (Greenbelt Road) for $25.00. The mechanic was quite friendly and did a good job. On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 Glenn_Norwicke@XXXXXX wrote: > I just rejoined the list after about a 1.5yr absence (sold my bike). I need > to get my 92 Bandit 400 inspected in MD. I called two places; Cycles USA > wanted $37 and an Exxon near there said $45. Is that the going rate? When I > lived in VA I think I paid like $5 or maybe $15. Any recommendations would > be appreciated? > thanks! > > glenn > > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 11:37:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03395; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10964; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com (known ngedns.northgrum.com [192.86.71.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04236 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgny003.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.161]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA15447; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGNY003 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:36:29 -0400 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183C1C@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'Jordan, Michael'" Subject: RE: Deals Gap Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:36:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Michael, The same goes for me. If you want to make that run, let me know and I'll go with you. I can handle down Sat and back either Sun or Mon. --chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---------- > From: Jordan, Michael[SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 10:29 AM > To: 'dc-cycles' > Subject: RE: Deals Gap > > >I was just looking over the DC-Cycles to Deals Gap page and notice > >that a few of the 'maybe I'll go's still haven't confirmed. Com'on > >guys! > > Todd, > > It's not looking good for me to do the whole enchilada - however; I'm > going to try and drop down on Saturday and return on Sunday - two days I > think I can get away with. > > Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 11:59:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03644; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11157; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04796 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:58:09 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.78.131]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA11584; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:57:37 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980424115651.006b6808@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:56:51 -0400 To: Glenn_Norwicke@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection in MD Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <852565F0.0048EBFE.00@notes.jackmorton.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Glenn-- Yeah, that's about what I pay; don't recall exactly. I go to Potomac Amoco. The MD insp, I'd assume, is _much_ more thorough than VA, tho MD mc insp isn't near as tough as MD car insp. And you only have to do it once, as opposed to VA's annual insp. Later Kevin At 09:19 AM 4/24/98 -0400, you wrote: >I just rejoined the list after about a 1.5yr absence (sold my bike). I need >to get my 92 Bandit 400 inspected in MD. I called two places; Cycles USA >wanted $37 and an Exxon near there said $45. Is that the going rate? When I >lived in VA I think I paid like $5 or maybe $15. Any recommendations would >be appreciated? >thanks! > >glenn > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 12:27:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04072; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11887; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (known drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05770 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spud.ascend.com (fw-ext.ascend.com [198.4.92.5]) by drawbridge.ascend.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA09727; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:25:39 -0700 Received: from ascend.com by ascend.com with ESMTP id JAA25860; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:25:37 -0700 Received: from ascend.com by ascend.com id JAA22923; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:21:53 -0700 From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:26:13 -0400 Message-ID: <003a01bd6f9d$b2ae06e0$37163495@ztyrlik.ascend.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <852565F0.0040906C.00@goliath.intelsol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Gang, let me repeat my previous offer: leaving Leesburg 8:30, from Amoco station, nect to county bulding, across street from bookstore. How to find this station: From DC - go west on 7, stay on bussiness, about 400 yards from ligths in downtown on your left side. >From North: take 15 southm, do not take bypass, stay on 15 bussiness; you will enter old town ( SLOW - cops ), pass Payne Biker's cafe and left on lights; 400 yards on rigth side is Gas station. option 1: BRP, as far as we can and return back fast roads; option 2, winchester, 522 west, 259 south to 55, 55 west to 220, west/south on 28, in Seneca rocks turn south/east to 33, follow 33 east to Harrisburg, and then return via BRP or other roadsm depending on time if the day. I plan on doing 300 miles. Pace - fast, but Colin will be bored: -); I do not like to accumulate points on my licence. Anywone want to join me, e-mail zbig@XXXXXX, via list, or call me home at 703-858-2464. (We can discuss variants of the road, earlier departure, etc; I do not want to leave later, in order to have all day on the road). _zjt (time to use my bags ..). > -----Original Message----- > From: sbeck@XXXXXX [mailto:sbeck@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 8:00 AM > To: Dysart@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > > Is everyone going to be at the track this weekend or would you like to do > something more exciting then sit around at a race track? I was > thinking of > a ride. If I can spark enough interest I'll be willing to lead the group. > Length would depend on who wants to go but I can do an all dayer if anyone > wants. Open for suggestions. > > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna > > The weather forcast for Saturday is beautiful. So it would be great day > for an all dayer. Glen if you do decide to do this, do me a > favor and call > me at home this evening (703-941-9264) just in case I don't see the email > notice. I will be taking a half day off from work and I might not have > access to my email after noon today. > > Thanks > Steve Beck > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 12:32:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04211; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11995; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06011 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 377; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:06:45 -0400 Message-ID: <35409CDA.ED4D0E36@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:08:26 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Vid's for the Spring Fling References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I posted: > >Ursulina had a great suggestion, anyone got any cool biker/ > >race videos to show on the tv during the party, like we had > >at Todd's place? Wanna volunteer to bring 'em along? Sort > >of to add to the atmosphere, you know! And George Howell answered: > I was thinking of picking up Performance Bikes' Video Nasty. > Supposed to be pretty good (but a bit risque?) Hmm, Risque how? Like nasty crashes and stuff? That's not too objectionable (to me at least). Or are we talking about topless Sturgis pillions here? There will be kids around and they always gravitate to tv's (at least mine do). Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 12:32:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04215; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11999; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06015 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 128; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:07:11 -0400 Message-ID: <35409CF4.246C5D4A@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:08:52 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Spring Fling Riding Events. References: <353F9F13.EA9F083F@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > > After doing a quick recon of the streets near Dale and Tracy's house, > the following riding events are proposed for the Spring Fling. Man, my neighbors are really gonna hate me after this party, I can tell! :-) Not that I care, heh, heh, heh. :-) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 12:32:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04219; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12004; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06017 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 433; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:07:19 -0400 Message-ID: <35409CFC.188D3018@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:09:00 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Non Listers/Newbies/Lurkers are welcome at the Spring Fling! References: <01bd6e1c$6fa89220$0d1fa8cf@jaynik> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of you folks wrote: (Although several others have asked similar questions) > > Dale, > > I have a friend who doesn't have internet access, but is interested in > attending and meeting other bikers. Do you want to keep this list > exclusive? It's not a prob either way, he probably wouldn't show if > invited. > Let me know! > There's absolutely no problem with bringing non-listers! Anyone who likes bikes and people and wants to come out and share in the fun is more than welcome! We don't discriminate. We'll equally harass and tease anyone who shows up, regardless! :-) If you've recently subscribed to the list, and/or missed the original announcement about our May 2 Spring Fling party, go here: http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dc-rides.htm If you need directions to the Horkster residence, go here: http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dale/ If you are web-challenged, just drop me an email and I can send you this stuff myself. Regards, Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 12:33:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04283; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12022; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06048 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25553; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 107; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:29:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3540A223.A68ADC9B@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:30:59 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: saddle sore References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > >Sounds like another volunteer for the DC Cycles to Deal's Gap SS1000. ;-) > > Unfortunately, the condition of the seat on the bike definately precludes > that. There's a nice prostate pincher up front that makes it > uncomfortable after about 75 miles or so. > This is the Ratwing, right? It doesn't sound like anything that a little duct tape can't fix! :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 12:55:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04873; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12312; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail1.geocities.com [209.1.224.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07202 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23083; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3540C34C.7351D62C@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:52:28 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Vid's for the Spring Fling References: <35409CDA.ED4D0E36@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought we watched both Video Nasty vid's at the last party??? I'm all for seeing them again... I think the only risque thing was a couple of shots of two guys riding nude (together,...yuck) but the indecent stuff had the infamous blurr spot editted in... I've got an older crash tape that has both cars and bikes (but not at the same time) Some of the car drivers are big Snoozcar, err I mean Nascar, drivers back before they were the top names... Ursulina also loaned me a tape of the Laguna Seca AMA superbike round from last weekend, it also had the Malysia crashfest FIM 500GP on it... -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 13:00:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04949; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12365; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail1.geocities.com [209.1.224.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07331 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25427; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3540C492.7EFA0902@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:57:54 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Non Listers/Newbies/Lurkers are welcome at the Spring Fling! References: <01bd6e1c$6fa89220$0d1fa8cf@jaynik> <35409CFC.188D3018@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess at some point I need to RSVP for my crew... Me, Penny, and our friend Laura (same girl with us at last party) plan to attend. We'll bring whatever the girls like to drink...I'm a pop person (any flavor) or iced tea (even better). We can bring some food along too... anything particular needed?? If we can get a sitter, no kiddo, if not, Connor, age 14 months, and loves motorcycles, will be with us. -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 13:16:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05192; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12622; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07726 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id KAA04526; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:14:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id KAA05050; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:14:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA08778; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:14:40 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA08741; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:14:36 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6F69.BD429AF0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:14:17 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" Cc: "'DC Cycles List'" Subject: RE: Vid's for the Spring Fling Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:09:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 32 TEXT And I'll do my best to get the Willow Springs race on this Sunday recorded, too. And I've got last night's MotoWorld from ESPN2 and 2 old motorcross tapes, if we're really bored. Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 9:52 AM >To: horkster >Cc: DC Cycles List >Subject: Re: Vid's for the Spring Fling > >I thought we watched both Video Nasty vid's at the last party??? I'm >all for seeing them again... I think the only risque thing was a couple >of shots of two guys riding nude (together,...yuck) but the indecent >stuff had the infamous blurr spot editted in... > >I've got an older crash tape that has both cars and bikes (but not at >the same time) Some of the car drivers are big Snoozcar, err I mean >Nascar, drivers back before they were the top names... > >Ursulina also loaned me a tape of the Laguna Seca AMA superbike round >from last weekend, it also had the Malysia crashfest FIM 500GP on it... > >-- >Collin T. Fagan >(202) 366-0067 (work) >(703) 356-4279 (home) >http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 13:28:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05320; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12743; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07997 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:29:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Oil Filter price$ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:29:46 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I guess you never saw the report where a particular FRAM for a Honda motorcycle blew apart on the race track? Start out with: http://math.uwaterloo.ca/~rblander/oil_filters.txt for more information on this. For an extra $3 I think I'll stick with someone who knows the bike the best, that would be Honda. I don't need the extra $3 to take the chance. Same with the cages, I'm sticking with OEM. Don't know about my bike filter but I know some cage after market filters don't have the required anti-drainback valve. My .02 YMMV and so on. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Well, personally, I just buy Fram filters (after _Consumer Reports_ rated > them highly for cars). $4-5. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 13:29:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05331; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12753; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08031 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:26:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Oil Filter price$ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:26:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Never heard of it. Got some more details? No, search the net, there should be more details. All that said was not to use a car filter on a bike. Sounds reasonable. Not exactly true, did you miss this part? "FRAM has recalled specific lots of their V4-compatible filter (along with a couple other models) and is shipping replacements. If you have a FRAM for your bike, be very very careful!" Makes sense. I'm just not convinced I get more for my money buying a filter that Honda had someone make them. It still made to Honda's spec, not someone else's that may not know everything about the engine. The least risky choice is probably to use OEM, all other things being equal. However, when _Consumer Reports_ tested car oil filters, the OEM filters performed worse than the aftermarket (if I remember correctly). It wasn't the aftermarket folks who were saving money by specifying lower-grade filters, it was the motorcycle manufacturers themselves. _Consumer Reports- results showed Fram to make the best oil filters and Castrol to make the best oil. I've stuck with both ever since (though I've used synthetic Mobil 1 in my bikes sometimes). You know, as much as I like most of consumer reports findings I have to wonder about their oil and filter tests. I'm not sure which test your referring to but the one I saw was for Taxi's in NY city. I don't know about you guys but I don't ride my bike or drive my cage like a taxi is driven. Do these drivers ever even exceed 3,000 RPM? Again, there are more factors to engine and oil wear then just on old pushrod V8 that they were tested on that can't exceed 5500 RPM pushed to their limits. I think the next time I change oil I'll cut apart my old filter and see what it looks like inside. And I'll do the same with an OEM filter to compare. Let us know how it goes. My last experience I didn't even have to cut them open. Factory filter had about 8 holes on the bottom and the after market one only had about 4. Does it make a difference? I dunno, but I'm just not going to take the chance and guess work for the little extra $. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 13:29:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05341; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12756; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08040 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:17:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:18:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Well right now your the about the only firm YES that I have received. I just don't get it, when its cold as hell we have 2 dozen people that want to ride. Now that its spring and beautiful nobody wants to ride! If I don't receive any more YES's then I'm just to go to hang out with a car club that I belong to. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > The weather forcast for Saturday is beautiful. So it would be great day > for an all dayer. Glen if you do decide to do this, do me a favor and call > me at home this evening (703-941-9264) just in case I don't see the email > notice. I will be taking a half day off from work and I might not have > access to my email after noon today. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 13:29:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05340; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12755; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08035 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:17:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Oil Filter price$ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:17:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) If that's the case I wonder why nobody with a Honda filter had one blow apart? Probably different specs. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Yep, I remember reading about the one that blew apart on the racer > (maybe on the racelist??..can't remember) But I also recall reading an > article that almost all the OEM oil filters are made by Fram > anyhow....Just relabled for the manufacturer... you find a lot of that > kind of thing on cages... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 13:41:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05503; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13473; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08610 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ySmS4-0005Ii-00; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:39:57 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:37:54 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D5E57C6@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:39:08 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I wish I could, I'm dying to ride, but I've got an orientation all day tomorrow for my Ireland trip & then Sunday I've got my sister's bridal shower. BUMMER. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 8:18 AM > To: 'sbeck@XXXXXX' > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > Well right now your the about the only firm YES that I have received. > I just don't get it, when its cold as hell we have 2 dozen people > that want to ride. Now that its spring and beautiful nobody wants to > ride! If I don't receive any more YES's then I'm just to go to hang > out with a car club that I belong to. > > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna > > > > The weather forcast for Saturday is beautiful. So it would be great > day > > for an all dayer. Glen if you do decide to do this, do me a favor > and call > > me at home this evening (703-941-9264) just in case I don't see the > email > > notice. I will be taking a half day off from work and I might not > have > > access to my email after noon today. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 13:47:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05608; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13642; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from red.uspis.gov (known red-internet.uspis.gov [206.205.134.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08854 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA21842; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:55:03 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:47:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll be your second yes, I don't have to work tomorrow >-----Original Message----- >From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 8:18 AM >To: 'sbeck@XXXXXX' >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > >Well right now your the about the only firm YES that I have received. >I just don't get it, when its cold as hell we have 2 dozen people that >want to ride. Now that its spring and beautiful nobody wants to ride! >If I don't receive any more YES's then I'm just to go to hang out with >a car club that I belong to. > >Glenn Dysart >dysart@XXXXXX > >84 V30 Magna > > >> The weather forcast for Saturday is beautiful. So it would be great day >> for an all dayer. Glen if you do decide to do this, do me a favor and call >> me at home this evening (703-941-9264) just in case I don't see the email >> notice. I will be taking a half day off from work and I might not have >> access to my email after noon today. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 13:54:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05785; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14051; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09091 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-181.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.181]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA24321; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:59:14 -0400 Message-ID: <3540D167.BE1DA516@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:52:39 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Is everyone going to be at the track? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > Well right now your the about the only firm YES that I have received. I just don't get it, when its cold as hell we have 2 dozen people that want to ride. Now that its spring and beautiful nobody wants to ride! If I don't receive any more YES's then I'm just to go to hang out with a car club that I belong to. When it's warm there are several bike events to choose between This weekend: Bob's open house Coleman's open house PARR Poker Run WERA at Summit Point I probably missed a few others, but when it's cold these kinds of events aren't options. Plus on a nice weekend like this all the fair weather bikers at work ask if I'd like to go riding with them, since they've now got a bike and would like to find some nice roads to ride on. Leon. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 14:18:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06295; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15685; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (known drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10127 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spud.ascend.com (fw-ext.ascend.com [198.4.92.5]) by drawbridge.ascend.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA18587; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:17:10 -0700 Received: from ascend.com by ascend.com with ESMTP id LAA10514; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:17:02 -0700 Received: from ascend.com by ascend.com id LAA24052; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:13:19 -0700 From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: "Clements, Curtis A" , "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , Cc: Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:17:38 -0400 Message-ID: <004001bd6fad$43443210$37163495@ztyrlik.ascend.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Glen & Clement - are you getting my mail at all ? Looks like there will be at least 2 of us going for Seneca ride - Craig Johnston ( lurking on the list ), and me; if you want to go together, we are planning on leaving Leesburg at 08:30. _zjt > -----Original Message----- > From: Clements, Curtis A [mailto:CAClements@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 1:47 PM > To: 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'; 'sbeck@XXXXXX' > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > I'll be your second yes, I don't have to work tomorrow > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 8:18 AM > >To: 'sbeck@XXXXXX' > >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > >Well right now your the about the only firm YES that I have received. > >I just don't get it, when its cold as hell we have 2 dozen people that > >want to ride. Now that its spring and beautiful nobody wants to ride! > >If I don't receive any more YES's then I'm just to go to hang out with > >a car club that I belong to. > > > >Glenn Dysart > >dysart@XXXXXX > > > >84 V30 Magna > > > > > >> The weather forcast for Saturday is beautiful. So it would be > great day > >> for an all dayer. Glen if you do decide to do this, do me a > favor and call > >> me at home this evening (703-941-9264) just in case I don't > see the email > >> notice. I will be taking a half day off from work and I might not have > >> access to my email after noon today. > >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 14:23:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06382; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15997; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from red.uspis.gov (known red-internet.uspis.gov [206.205.134.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10217 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA22242; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:31:04 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'Zbigniew J. Tyrlik'" , "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:23:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you want to go to Skyline drive? That is our planes so far. Curtis >-----Original Message----- >From: Zbigniew J. Tyrlik [SMTP:zbig@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 2:18 PM >To: Clements, Curtis A; 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'; >sbeck@XXXXXX >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > >Glen & Clement - are you getting my mail at all ? >Looks like there will be at least 2 of us going for Seneca ride - >Craig Johnston ( lurking on the list ), and me; if you want to >go together, we are planning on leaving Leesburg at 08:30. > >_zjt > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Clements, Curtis A [mailto:CAClements@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 1:47 PM >> To: 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'; 'sbeck@XXXXXX' >> Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >> Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? >> >> >> I'll be your second yes, I don't have to work tomorrow >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] >> >Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 8:18 AM >> >To: 'sbeck@XXXXXX' >> >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> >Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? >> > >> >Well right now your the about the only firm YES that I have received. >> >I just don't get it, when its cold as hell we have 2 dozen people that >> >want to ride. Now that its spring and beautiful nobody wants to ride! >> >If I don't receive any more YES's then I'm just to go to hang out with >> >a car club that I belong to. >> > >> >Glenn Dysart >> >dysart@XXXXXX >> > >> >84 V30 Magna >> > >> > >> >> The weather forcast for Saturday is beautiful. So it would be >> great day >> >> for an all dayer. Glen if you do decide to do this, do me a >> favor and call >> >> me at home this evening (703-941-9264) just in case I don't >> see the email >> >> notice. I will be taking a half day off from work and I might not have >> >> access to my email after noon today. >> >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 14:47:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06633; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16703; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10845 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:48:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Clements, Curtis A'" , "'Zbigniew J. Tyrlik'" , "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:48:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I don't care but I need to make up my mind soon because if I'm going riding I need to give the driving plans to someone else. Either route is fine by me. I can lead or someone else. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Clements, Curtis A [SMTP:CAClements@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 2:23 PM > To: 'Zbigniew J. Tyrlik'; Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN; 'sbeck@XXXXXX' > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > Do you want to go to Skyline drive? That is our planes so far. > Curtis > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Zbigniew J. Tyrlik [SMTP:zbig@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 2:18 PM > >To: Clements, Curtis A; 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'; > >sbeck@XXXXXX > >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > >Glen & Clement - are you getting my mail at all ? > >Looks like there will be at least 2 of us going for Seneca ride - > >Craig Johnston ( lurking on the list ), and me; if you want to > >go together, we are planning on leaving Leesburg at 08:30. > > > >_zjt > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Clements, Curtis A [mailto:CAClements@XXXXXX] > >> Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 1:47 PM > >> To: 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'; 'sbeck@XXXXXX' > >> Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > >> Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > >> > >> > >> I'll be your second yes, I don't have to work tomorrow > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > >> >Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 8:18 AM > >> >To: 'sbeck@XXXXXX' > >> >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> >Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > >> > > >> >Well right now your the about the only firm YES that I have received. > >> >I just don't get it, when its cold as hell we have 2 dozen people that > >> >want to ride. Now that its spring and beautiful nobody wants to ride! > >> >If I don't receive any more YES's then I'm just to go to hang out with > >> >a car club that I belong to. > >> > > >> >Glenn Dysart > >> >dysart@XXXXXX > >> > > >> >84 V30 Magna > >> > > >> > > >> >> The weather forcast for Saturday is beautiful. So it would be > >> great day > >> >> for an all dayer. Glen if you do decide to do this, do me a > >> favor and call > >> >> me at home this evening (703-941-9264) just in case I don't > >> see the email > >> >> notice. I will be taking a half day off from work and I might not have > >> >> access to my email after noon today. > >> >> > >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 14:47:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06643; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16712; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10865 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13794; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:45:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: "Clements, Curtis A" cc: "'Zbigniew J. Tyrlik'" , "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Clements, Curtis A wrote: > Do you want to go to Skyline drive? That is our planes so far. Hmmm, it seems like such a waste to take an XX or RR to Skyline Dr... Besides, a beautiful day + Skyline Dr = tons of traffic. What about 55? Or better yet 33? Or still better 250? Personally, I'm in such sad shape that I'm dedicating my Sat mornings to my other two wheeler and pedaling... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 14:50:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06699; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16739; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10980 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:51:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , "Clements, Curtis A" Cc: "'Zbigniew J. Tyrlik'" , "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:51:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Agreed except its farther away. You guys make the decision. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 2:45 PM > To: Clements, Curtis A > Cc: 'Zbigniew J. Tyrlik'; Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN; 'sbeck@XXXXXX'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Clements, Curtis A wrote: > > Do you want to go to Skyline drive? That is our planes so far. > > Hmmm, it seems like such a waste to take an XX or RR to Skyline Dr... > Besides, a beautiful day + Skyline Dr = tons of traffic. What about 55? Or > better yet 33? Or still better 250? > > Personally, I'm in such sad shape that I'm dedicating my Sat mornings to > my other two wheeler and pedaling... > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 15:03:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06938; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17437; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from red.uspis.gov (known red-internet.uspis.gov [206.205.134.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11496 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA22675; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:12:08 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'Kirk Roy'" Cc: "'Zbigniew J. Tyrlik'" , "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:04:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds good. Let's meet at the rest area on 66 though. It would be better for Glenn and I. What time is good for U? Curtis >-----Original Message----- >From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 2:45 PM >To: Clements, Curtis A >Cc: 'Zbigniew J. Tyrlik'; 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'; >'sbeck@XXXXXX'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > >On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Clements, Curtis A wrote: >> Do you want to go to Skyline drive? That is our planes so far. > >Hmmm, it seems like such a waste to take an XX or RR to Skyline Dr... >Besides, a beautiful day + Skyline Dr = tons of traffic. What about 55? >Or >better yet 33? Or still better 250? > >Personally, I'm in such sad shape that I'm dedicating my Sat mornings >to >my other two wheeler and pedaling... > >Kirk > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 15:06:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06975; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17501; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11586 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.114]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 331; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:04:14 -0400 Message-ID: <35410C9E.46C0CB9A@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:05:18 -0700 From: "Jennifer Craig" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , "D.C. CYCLES" Subject: Re: Is everyone going to be at the track? References: <004001bd6fad$43443210$37163495@ztyrlik.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zbigniew J. Tyrlik wrote: > Glen & Clement - are you getting my mail at all ? > Looks like there will be at least 2 of us going for Seneca ride - > Craig Johnston ( lurking on the list ), and me; if you want to > go together, we are planning on leaving Leesburg at 08:30. > hey , zbig i'm here ..our i.s.p. has been having trouble with the mail..so count me in.. > _zjt > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Clements, Curtis A [mailto:CAClements@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 1:47 PM > > To: 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'; 'sbeck@XXXXXX' > > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > > > > I'll be your second yes, I don't have to work tomorrow > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > > >Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 8:18 AM > > >To: 'sbeck@XXXXXX' > > >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > > > >Well right now your the about the only firm YES that I have received. > > >I just don't get it, when its cold as hell we have 2 dozen people that > > >want to ride. Now that its spring and beautiful nobody wants to ride! > > >If I don't receive any more YES's then I'm just to go to hang out with > > >a car club that I belong to. > > > > > >Glenn Dysart > > >dysart@XXXXXX > > > > > >84 V30 Magna > > > > > > > > >> The weather forcast for Saturday is beautiful. So it would be > > great day > > >> for an all dayer. Glen if you do decide to do this, do me a > > favor and call > > >> me at home this evening (703-941-9264) just in case I don't > > see the email > > >> notice. I will be taking a half day off from work and I might not have > > >> access to my email after noon today. > > >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 15:21:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07318; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17714; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12123 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA17692; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA07035; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:20:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980424192003.IRDY22404@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:20:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: horkster , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Vid's for the Spring Fling X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980424192003.IRDY22404@[166.41.242.141]> >Ursulina also loaned me a tape of the Laguna Seca AMA superbike round >from last weekend, it also had the Malysia crashfest FIM 500GP on it... > >-- >Collin T. Fagan Oh, yeah! Bring this one! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 15:32:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07556; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17835; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (known drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12490 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spud.ascend.com (fw-ext.ascend.com [198.4.92.5]) by drawbridge.ascend.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA24636; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:31:02 -0700 Received: from ascend.com by ascend.com with ESMTP id MAA20711; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:30:59 -0700 Received: from ascend.com by ascend.com id MAA25037; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:27:13 -0700 From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'Clements, Curtis A'" , "'Zbigniew J. Tyrlik'" , , "Dc-Cycles@Cs. Umd. Edu" Cc: Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:31:33 -0400 Message-ID: <004201bd6fb7$9687c360$37163495@ztyrlik.ascend.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Glen and Curtis, please call me voice to nail all details of road for tomorrow. Work: 703-925-4224 Home: 703-858-2464 Mobile: 703-585-0533. 1) Kirk probably will be on bicycle, so I woudl not count him in. 2) Rest place on 66 as meeting is OK for me. Is 8:30 OK for you as departure time - I will be there 30 minutes earlier, to do last minute road planning. Craig, can you do 8:30 on rest place on 66 ( few miles west of Manassas ) ? If we meet on 66, and go west on 66, we are missing a nice part of 259 from rt 50 south-west to Wardensville. I do not remeber where this parking on 66 is, west or east of RT 17. If it is close, we can meet on 66, took 17 to Winchester, 50 to 259, 259 to 55, 55 to 220, 220 to 28, 28 to seneca rocks, 33 south/west to Harrisburg. Call me back if you like this plan. We can shortne it by going west on 66 , then west on 55 to 220, 220 south to 33 or to 250, and return via BRP, 81, or 29. I will have maps with me, so we can decide on the way. > > I don't care but I need to make up my mind soon because if I'm > going riding I need to give the driving plans to someone else. > Either route is fine by me. I can lead or someone else. > > Glenn > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Clements, Curtis A [SMTP:CAClements@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 2:23 PM > > To: 'Zbigniew J. Tyrlik'; Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN; > 'sbeck@XXXXXX' > > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > > Do you want to go to Skyline drive? That is our planes so far. > > Curtis > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Zbigniew J. Tyrlik [SMTP:zbig@XXXXXX] > > >Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 2:18 PM > > >To: Clements, Curtis A; 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'; > > >sbeck@XXXXXX > > >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > > > >Glen & Clement - are you getting my mail at all ? > > >Looks like there will be at least 2 of us going for Seneca ride - > > >Craig Johnston ( lurking on the list ), and me; if you want to > > >go together, we are planning on leaving Leesburg at 08:30. > > > > > >_zjt > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Clements, Curtis A [mailto:CAClements@XXXXXX] > > >> Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 1:47 PM > > >> To: 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'; 'sbeck@XXXXXX' > > >> Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > >> Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > >> > > >> > > >> I'll be your second yes, I don't have to work tomorrow > > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > > >> >From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > > >> >Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 8:18 AM > > >> >To: 'sbeck@XXXXXX' > > >> >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >> >Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > >> > > > >> >Well right now your the about the only firm YES that I have > received. > > >> >I just don't get it, when its cold as hell we have 2 dozen > people that > > >> >want to ride. Now that its spring and beautiful nobody > wants to ride! > > >> >If I don't receive any more YES's then I'm just to go to > hang out with > > >> >a car club that I belong to. > > >> > > > >> >Glenn Dysart > > >> >dysart@XXXXXX > > >> > > > >> >84 V30 Magna > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> The weather forcast for Saturday is beautiful. So it would be > > >> great day > > >> >> for an all dayer. Glen if you do decide to do this, do me a > > >> favor and call > > >> >> me at home this evening (703-941-9264) just in case I don't > > >> see the email > > >> >> notice. I will be taking a half day off from work and I > might not have > > >> >> access to my email after noon today. > > >> >> > > >> > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 15:37:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07728; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17911; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12750 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:36:34 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:34:46 -0500 Received: from WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL [160.151.107.198] by dclink.com with smtp id APCCBKDJ ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:34:28 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: "EXUP Brotherhood" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Baltimore Cycles List" Subject: A note of Thanks Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:43:41 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd6fb9$48f21720$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who gave me input with my slip-on questions and the battery questions, etc. I ended up going with a Yosh Zyclone with a race baffle. I really wanted the SS2R, but it wasn't available and the deal on the Zyclone was really good. All of the input was great! Jay http://www.dclink.com/jaynik/index.htm Bodybuilding: The Right Way! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 15:40:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07780; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18009; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12864 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA03616; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:38:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA19177; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:38:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980424193825.GTUY24338@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:38:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Viteri, Ursulina" CC: "'DC Cycles List'" Subject: SpeedVision Was: Vid's for the Spring Fling X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980424193825.GTUY24338@[166.41.242.141]> >And I'll do my best to get the Willow Springs race on this Sunday >recorded, too. And I've got last night's MotoWorld from ESPN2 and 2 old >motorcross tapes, if we're really bored. Excellent! Way to go Ursulina! How are you doing this, what service? BTW, was in Coleman PS today to buy an RF700, that they didn't have (but they're on SALE!), and came across this flyer. I believe something was posted to the list prior. This only concerns Media General subscribers: "As a Media General subscriber, we regret to inform you that they are considering dropping Speedvision. For the last six months we have been previewing Speedvision [when that nature sh*t isn't on, Ed.] on ch. 45 until a permanent channel became available. Media General has decided that not enough people care about the type of programming on Speedvision to carry us on a more permanent basis. [I don't recall being surveyed, do you? Ed.] Here's your chance to help keep us on. Please call us at: 1-888-22SPEED (227-7333) Every time you dial this number and your call goes to Media General of Fairfax, they will listen to your request to keep Speedvision on their cable system. Calls are the number one indicator to a cable provider of customer satisfaction or dissatisfaction." You can also call Media General comment line @ 703.378.3462 Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 16:03:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08104; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18492; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13530 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.129]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 218; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:00:11 -0400 Message-ID: <354119BA.788A0E60@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:01:14 -0700 From: "Jennifer Craig" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , "D.C. CYCLES" Subject: Re: Is everyone going to be at the track? References: <004201bd6fb7$9687c360$37163495@ztyrlik.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit zbig , yes i can do rest place...what time are you leaving and what route do you ride to go to the resst place??..want to meet amd ride down together??? Zbigniew J. Tyrlik wrote: > Glen and Curtis, please call me voice to nail all details of > road for tomorrow. > > Work: 703-925-4224 > Home: 703-858-2464 > Mobile: 703-585-0533. > > 1) Kirk probably will be on bicycle, so I woudl not > count him in. > > 2) Rest place on 66 as meeting is OK for me. Is 8:30 OK for > you as departure time - I will be there 30 minutes earlier, > to do last minute road planning. > > Craig, can you do 8:30 on rest place on 66 ( few miles west of Manassas ) ? > > If we meet on 66, and go west on 66, we are missing a nice part of 259 from > rt 50 south-west to Wardensville. I do not remeber where this parking on 66 > is, > west or east of RT 17. If it is close, we can meet on 66, took 17 to > Winchester, > 50 to 259, 259 to 55, 55 to 220, 220 to 28, 28 to seneca rocks, 33 > south/west > to Harrisburg. > > Call me back if you like this plan. We can shortne it by going west on 66 , > then west on 55 to 220, 220 south to 33 or to 250, and return via BRP, 81, > or 29. > I will have maps with me, so we can decide on the way. > > > > > I don't care but I need to make up my mind soon because if I'm > > going riding I need to give the driving plans to someone else. > > Either route is fine by me. I can lead or someone else. > > > > Glenn > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Clements, Curtis A [SMTP:CAClements@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 2:23 PM > > > To: 'Zbigniew J. Tyrlik'; Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN; > > 'sbeck@XXXXXX' > > > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > > Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > > > > Do you want to go to Skyline drive? That is our planes so far. > > > Curtis > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Zbigniew J. Tyrlik [SMTP:zbig@XXXXXX] > > > >Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 2:18 PM > > > >To: Clements, Curtis A; 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'; > > > >sbeck@XXXXXX > > > >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > >Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > > > > > >Glen & Clement - are you getting my mail at all ? > > > >Looks like there will be at least 2 of us going for Seneca ride - > > > >Craig Johnston ( lurking on the list ), and me; if you want to > > > >go together, we are planning on leaving Leesburg at 08:30. > > > > > > > >_zjt > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: Clements, Curtis A [mailto:CAClements@XXXXXX] > > > >> Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 1:47 PM > > > >> To: 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'; 'sbeck@XXXXXX' > > > >> Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > > >> Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I'll be your second yes, I don't have to work tomorrow > > > >> > > > >> >-----Original Message----- > > > >> >From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > > > >> >Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 8:18 AM > > > >> >To: 'sbeck@XXXXXX' > > > >> >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > >> >Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > >> > > > > >> >Well right now your the about the only firm YES that I have > > received. > > > >> >I just don't get it, when its cold as hell we have 2 dozen > > people that > > > >> >want to ride. Now that its spring and beautiful nobody > > wants to ride! > > > >> >If I don't receive any more YES's then I'm just to go to > > hang out with > > > >> >a car club that I belong to. > > > >> > > > > >> >Glenn Dysart > > > >> >dysart@XXXXXX > > > >> > > > > >> >84 V30 Magna > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >> The weather forcast for Saturday is beautiful. So it would be > > > >> great day > > > >> >> for an all dayer. Glen if you do decide to do this, do me a > > > >> favor and call > > > >> >> me at home this evening (703-941-9264) just in case I don't > > > >> see the email > > > >> >> notice. I will be taking a half day off from work and I > > might not have > > > >> >> access to my email after noon today. > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 16:18:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08321; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19211; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13987 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ySou6-0002W0-00; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:17:02 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:15:02 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D61EADC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Jennifer Craig'" , "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , "D.C. CYCLES" Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:16:16 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cool! Another female rider on the list! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Jennifer Craig [SMTP:jencraig@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 7:01 PM > To: Zbigniew J. Tyrlik; D.C. CYCLES > Subject: Re: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > zbig , yes i can do rest place...what time are you leaving and what > route do > you ride to go to the resst place??..want to meet amd ride down > together??? > > Zbigniew J. Tyrlik wrote: > > > Glen and Curtis, please call me voice to nail all details of > > road for tomorrow. > > > > Work: 703-925-4224 > > Home: 703-858-2464 > > Mobile: 703-585-0533. > > > > 1) Kirk probably will be on bicycle, so I woudl not > > count him in. > > > > 2) Rest place on 66 as meeting is OK for me. Is 8:30 OK for > > you as departure time - I will be there 30 minutes earlier, > > to do last minute road planning. > > > > Craig, can you do 8:30 on rest place on 66 ( few miles west of > Manassas ) ? > > > > If we meet on 66, and go west on 66, we are missing a nice part of > 259 from > > rt 50 south-west to Wardensville. I do not remeber where this > parking on 66 > > is, > > west or east of RT 17. If it is close, we can meet on 66, took 17 to > > Winchester, > > 50 to 259, 259 to 55, 55 to 220, 220 to 28, 28 to seneca rocks, 33 > > south/west > > to Harrisburg. > > > > Call me back if you like this plan. We can shortne it by going west > on 66 , > > then west on 55 to 220, 220 south to 33 or to 250, and return via > BRP, 81, > > or 29. > > I will have maps with me, so we can decide on the way. > > > > > > > > I don't care but I need to make up my mind soon because if I'm > > > going riding I need to give the driving plans to someone else. > > > Either route is fine by me. I can lead or someone else. > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Clements, Curtis A [SMTP:CAClements@XXXXXX] > > > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 2:23 PM > > > > To: 'Zbigniew J. Tyrlik'; Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN; > > > 'sbeck@XXXXXX' > > > > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > > > Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > > > > > > Do you want to go to Skyline drive? That is our planes so far. > > > > Curtis > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: Zbigniew J. Tyrlik [SMTP:zbig@XXXXXX] > > > > >Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 2:18 PM > > > > >To: Clements, Curtis A; 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'; > > > > >sbeck@XXXXXX > > > > >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > >Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > > > > > > > >Glen & Clement - are you getting my mail at all ? > > > > >Looks like there will be at least 2 of us going for Seneca ride > - > > > > >Craig Johnston ( lurking on the list ), and me; if you want to > > > > >go together, we are planning on leaving Leesburg at 08:30. > > > > > > > > > >_zjt > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> From: Clements, Curtis A [mailto:CAClements@XXXXXX] > > > > >> Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 1:47 PM > > > > >> To: 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'; 'sbeck@XXXXXX' > > > > >> Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > > > >> Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> I'll be your second yes, I don't have to work tomorrow > > > > >> > > > > >> >-----Original Message----- > > > > >> >From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN > [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > > > > >> >Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 8:18 AM > > > > >> >To: 'sbeck@XXXXXX' > > > > >> >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > >> >Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Well right now your the about the only firm YES that I have > > > received. > > > > >> >I just don't get it, when its cold as hell we have 2 dozen > > > people that > > > > >> >want to ride. Now that its spring and beautiful nobody > > > wants to ride! > > > > >> >If I don't receive any more YES's then I'm just to go to > > > hang out with > > > > >> >a car club that I belong to. > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Glenn Dysart > > > > >> >dysart@XXXXXX > > > > >> > > > > > >> >84 V30 Magna > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> The weather forcast for Saturday is beautiful. So it > would be > > > > >> great day > > > > >> >> for an all dayer. Glen if you do decide to do this, do me > a > > > > >> favor and call > > > > >> >> me at home this evening (703-941-9264) just in case I > don't > > > > >> see the email > > > > >> >> notice. I will be taking a half day off from work and I > > > might not have > > > > >> >> access to my email after noon today. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 16:42:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08815; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20000; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15027 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.145]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 298; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:39:12 -0400 Message-ID: <354122DF.E17F3F56@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:40:16 -0700 From: "Jennifer Craig" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "D.C. CYCLES" Subject: Re: Is everyone going to be at the track? References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D61EADC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry Jeannette, it's just the address we use. h-ll..she wont even go for a ride ....no sissy bar on the back... craig, blue tl1000.... O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Cool! Another female rider on the list! > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jennifer Craig [SMTP:jencraig@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 7:01 PM > > To: Zbigniew J. Tyrlik; D.C. CYCLES > > Subject: Re: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > > zbig , yes i can do rest place...what time are you leaving and what > > route do > > you ride to go to the resst place??..want to meet amd ride down > > together??? > > > > Zbigniew J. Tyrlik wrote: > > > > > Glen and Curtis, please call me voice to nail all details of > > > road for tomorrow. > > > > > > Work: 703-925-4224 > > > Home: 703-858-2464 > > > Mobile: 703-585-0533. > > > > > > 1) Kirk probably will be on bicycle, so I woudl not > > > count him in. > > > > > > 2) Rest place on 66 as meeting is OK for me. Is 8:30 OK for > > > you as departure time - I will be there 30 minutes earlier, > > > to do last minute road planning. > > > > > > Craig, can you do 8:30 on rest place on 66 ( few miles west of > > Manassas ) ? > > > > > > If we meet on 66, and go west on 66, we are missing a nice part of > > 259 from > > > rt 50 south-west to Wardensville. I do not remeber where this > > parking on 66 > > > is, > > > west or east of RT 17. If it is close, we can meet on 66, took 17 to > > > Winchester, > > > 50 to 259, 259 to 55, 55 to 220, 220 to 28, 28 to seneca rocks, 33 > > > south/west > > > to Harrisburg. > > > > > > Call me back if you like this plan. We can shortne it by going west > > on 66 , > > > then west on 55 to 220, 220 south to 33 or to 250, and return via > > BRP, 81, > > > or 29. > > > I will have maps with me, so we can decide on the way. > > > > > > > > > > > I don't care but I need to make up my mind soon because if I'm > > > > going riding I need to give the driving plans to someone else. > > > > Either route is fine by me. I can lead or someone else. > > > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Clements, Curtis A [SMTP:CAClements@XXXXXX] > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 2:23 PM > > > > > To: 'Zbigniew J. Tyrlik'; Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN; > > > > 'sbeck@XXXXXX' > > > > > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > > > > Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > > > > > > > > Do you want to go to Skyline drive? That is our planes so far. > > > > > Curtis > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > >From: Zbigniew J. Tyrlik [SMTP:zbig@XXXXXX] > > > > > >Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 2:18 PM > > > > > >To: Clements, Curtis A; 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'; > > > > > >sbeck@XXXXXX > > > > > >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > > >Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > > > > > > > > > >Glen & Clement - are you getting my mail at all ? > > > > > >Looks like there will be at least 2 of us going for Seneca ride > > - > > > > > >Craig Johnston ( lurking on the list ), and me; if you want to > > > > > >go together, we are planning on leaving Leesburg at 08:30. > > > > > > > > > > > >_zjt > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > > >> From: Clements, Curtis A [mailto:CAClements@XXXXXX] > > > > > >> Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 1:47 PM > > > > > >> To: 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'; 'sbeck@XXXXXX' > > > > > >> Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > > > > >> Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I'll be your second yes, I don't have to work tomorrow > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >-----Original Message----- > > > > > >> >From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN > > [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > > > > > >> >Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 8:18 AM > > > > > >> >To: 'sbeck@XXXXXX' > > > > > >> >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > > >> >Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >Well right now your the about the only firm YES that I have > > > > received. > > > > > >> >I just don't get it, when its cold as hell we have 2 dozen > > > > people that > > > > > >> >want to ride. Now that its spring and beautiful nobody > > > > wants to ride! > > > > > >> >If I don't receive any more YES's then I'm just to go to > > > > hang out with > > > > > >> >a car club that I belong to. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >Glenn Dysart > > > > > >> >dysart@XXXXXX > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >84 V30 Magna > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> The weather forcast for Saturday is beautiful. So it > > would be > > > > > >> great day > > > > > >> >> for an all dayer. Glen if you do decide to do this, do me > > a > > > > > >> favor and call > > > > > >> >> me at home this evening (703-941-9264) just in case I > > don't > > > > > >> see the email > > > > > >> >> notice. I will be taking a half day off from work and I > > > > might not have > > > > > >> >> access to my email after noon today. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 16:50:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09001; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20222; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15343 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA07413; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:48:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA08630; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:48:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980424204829.HBWB24338@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:48:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'Jennifer Craig'" , "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , "D.C. CYCLES" Subject: RE: Is everyone going to be at the track? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980424204829.HBWB24338@[166.41.242.141]> My sentiments exactly! ;-) BTW, we are going to hear it from John Kozyn and others on digest for stringing out this thread so damned long. John, I had nothing to do with it :) Todd -------------------------------------------- Cool! Another female rider on the list! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Jennifer Craig [SMTP:jencraig@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 7:01 PM > To: Zbigniew J. Tyrlik; D.C. CYCLES > Subject: Re: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > zbig , yes i can do rest place...what time are you leaving and what > route do > you ride to go to the resst place??..want to meet amd ride down > together??? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 16:56:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09145; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20400; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15588 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p185.smart.net [206.97.127.185]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00085; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:55:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3540FAF8.A5EA2FA5@smart.net> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:50:01 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "D.C. CYCLES" Subject: Re: Is everyone going to be at the track? References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D61EADC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, I believe that Craig's email address is made up of his wife's and his own name. I haven't met Jennifer, so I don't know if she rides. Oh well. O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Cool! Another female rider on the list! > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jennifer Craig [SMTP:jencraig@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 7:01 PM > > To: Zbigniew J. Tyrlik; D.C. CYCLES > > Subject: Re: Is everyone going to be at the track? -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 17:07:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09277; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20886; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15907 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.145]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 291; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:04:18 -0400 Message-ID: <354128C2.4487515F@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:05:22 -0700 From: "Jennifer Craig" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas H. Gimer" , "D.C. CYCLES" Subject: Re: Is everyone going to be at the track? References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D61EADC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> <3540FAF8.A5EA2FA5@smart.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you would be correct sir......not my choice..but hey..give a little , go riding..!!!. craig..tl Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > Actually, I believe that Craig's email address is made up of his wife's and > his own name. I haven't met Jennifer, so I don't know if she rides. > > Oh well. > > O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > > Cool! Another female rider on the list! > > > > - Jeannette > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jennifer Craig [SMTP:jencraig@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 7:01 PM > > > To: Zbigniew J. Tyrlik; D.C. CYCLES > > > Subject: Re: Is everyone going to be at the track? > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 17:07:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09281; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20923; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15929 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 222; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:04:37 -0400 Message-ID: <3540FEC8.97171636@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:06:16 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jennifer Craig CC: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "D.C. CYCLES" Subject: Re: Jenny Craig References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D61EADC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> <354122DF.E17F3F56@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jennifer Craig wrote: > > sorry Jeannette, it's just the address we use. > h-ll..she wont even go for a ride ....no sissy bar on the back... > craig, blue tl1000.... > Too bad, I thought Jenny Craig had joined our ranks as a fellow biker! I was gonna get your autograph (again!) And yes, tidalwave.net has been pissing me off lately, too. As an angry biker, that's not a smart thing to do... Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 17:55:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09780; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22101; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16897 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id UGBPa20031 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:54:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Boia de Message-ID: <58f1bca.35410a01@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:54:08 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (D.C. CYCLES) Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Summit Point Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Anyone going Saturday from the maryland side, if so, time and place of departure? Ciao, Fred 86-VFR-750 (maybe I'll ride it up to Summit Point) 75-Norton Commando (maybe I'll enter it) 98-ZX-9R (I might be able to win a 250cc pre-1960 thumper class with it) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 24 18:16:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09990; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22963; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17211 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id UXGSa24124 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:14:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Boia de Message-ID: <1db4f652.35410ec5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:14:28 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (D.C. 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Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boia de CC: "D.C. CYCLES" Subject: Re: Subscribe References: <1db4f652.35410ec5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm assuming you are attempting to subscribe to the ZX owners list..... Try following this info: #+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ # Admin Notes: For sub/unsub info, send "help" in body of message to: | # majordomo@XXXXXX | #+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ Boia de wrote: > Subscribe ZX -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 25 01:08:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13666; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA27934; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22576 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA01516; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.37] (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:06:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: saddle sore Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 01:09:12 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "horkster" cc: "Leon Begeman" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> Unfortunately, the condition of the seat on the bike definately precludes >> that. There's a nice prostate pincher up front that makes it >> uncomfortable after about 75 miles or so. >> > >This is the Ratwing, right? It doesn't sound like anything >that a little duct tape can't fix! :-) If I can just figure out how to get the seat off.... FWIW, mother and SWMBO won't let it remain a Ratwing if they are to ride on it. I'll try to bring it to the Spring Fling (since I doubt I can compete with Collin, even on the BMW, it'll be a hoot to try it on the Wing. Plus, who cares if I drop it?!) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 25 01:08:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13673; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA27930; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22572 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.37] (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:06:23 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SpeedVision Was: Vid's for the Spring Fling Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 01:09:09 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" , "Viteri, Ursulina" cc: "'DC Cycles List'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" At least you folks get a choice. Jones Cable in Chas. Co. MD doesn't even give us the opportunity to see Speedvision. Ironic considering that we have three country music stations (didn't know there were that many) and a requirement for residence is to have a Dale Earnheart or Calving pissing on a Bowtie/Blue Oval sticker on your vehicle. Can't wait to get out of this apartment, get me a garage, and a Hughes Satellite Dish. (Dual output, with one in the garage, naturally:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 25 01:08:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13674; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA27938; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22580 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.37] (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:06:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Vid's for the Spring Fling Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 01:09:15 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "horkster" , "DC Cycles List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Hmm, Risque how? Like nasty crashes and stuff? That's not too >objectionable (to me at least). Or are we talking about topless >Sturgis pillions here? There will be kids around and they always >gravitate to tv's (at least mine do). I don't think topless, but perhaps bikini clad. Will pick it up (tomorrow??) preview, and let you know if it's suitable for kids. BTW, good thing you reminded me. I heard Bartel's HD had a promotional video out... ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 25 22:34:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24738; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06739; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07078 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA27173 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3542C735.3A06@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:33:41 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Who Rode Today ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, Well, I feel badly for not being at SP today, but as a small handful of you know, we're moving this week so I had a bunch of domestic stuff to deal with. However, as always, I check my DC (digest) mode every evening - tonight after my Habs lost to the Pens - and I guess most of y'all were either riding (no duh as my daught opines) or at SP. But judging from the list traffic (3) I guess one of us stayed home to keep the list fires burning. Thanks to George Howell for keeping the list going today! You go George!! -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 25 23:35:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25276; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06940; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07708 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:34:20 -0400 (EDT) From: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from nt_thetrick (tc2-s34.wizard.net [206.161.15.110]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA00991 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:34:18 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980425230539.00957d90@mail.wizard.net> X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:05:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: junkyard database site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" hey, whoever posted the link to the motorcycle junkyard database site, would you send/repost it please. i deleted it accidentally during my weekly cleanup. thx tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 26 02:54:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA27024; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 02:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA08258; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 02:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09606 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 02:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.40] (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 02:52:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Who Rode Today ? Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 02:55:00 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "John C. Kozyn" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >But judging from the list traffic (3) I guess one of us stayed home to >keep the list fires burning. Thanks to George Howell for keeping the >list going today! You go George!! Not a chance of not riding today. Checked email while waiting for my dad to get to the apartment before going on a ride. We headed out of Waldorf at 12:00 or so (would have been earlier, except my dog decided she wanted to play at 2 in the morning, so I needed a bit of extra sleep. Got even with her by combing out matts today in preparation of her overdue bath tomorrow:) Went out to Winchester Indian today. Headed out 50, finding much more traffic than there is any right to be out on a Saturday. Finally made it up there, and saw loads of nifty bikes (sorry Todd, after 125 miles in the saddle, neither my father nor I were in any mood to test ride the Sport. Anyway, like all Guzzis, it seems to be made for guys my dad's size, not mine:) BTW, one guy test rode a nice red EV California. The gear shifts sounded even nastier than on my BMW.) Chatted a bit with the owner, and got the name of somebody who might be able to help with the Chiang Jiang, should Angie's uncle or great aunt ever want to sell it. Also found out that he has owned a few Chiang Jiangs as well as the Urals. Found the Chinese bikes to be much better. While they are more mediocre than the best Urals, they are more consistent. IOW, less standard deviation in the quality from the Chinese. And, he let me in on why he will likely stop selling the Urals. Seems that they are letting anybody with about $300 bucks in their pocket become a licensed repair shop, after he spent ????? dollars. That, plus they are going to soon start trying to sell them via Price Costco (?) for less than his wholesale price. Needless to say, he wasn't happy about the state of affairs. But he was really stoked about the Chiang Jiang. Then there is the fact that in June or July, he will be getting the first of 14 1999 Polaris Victory motorcycles. Needs the floor space. He and his wife (?) seemed very impressed with the corporate types following the dealer meeting in Fla. this past winter. Taking all kinds of feedback from dealers who test rode bikes. Curiously, the two things I complained about aesthetically have already been addressed by the aftermarket (of which they had a few catalogs). Had one of those nifty Indian inline fours. An Enfield or two. Liked the rubber isolated footpads on the floorboards on the MG cruiser. Couldn't get my dad to buy a 850 Ambassador pin to commemorate his last bike (prior to the F650). Got fuel and food in Winchester. My bike got its highest mileage since owning it, 46 mpg. I usually get around 39-42, depending on how much 'spirited' riding and two-up I do. (Mental note, figure out why GL1100 is only getting 30 mpg) Came back down 17 to Fredericksburg. One scary instance where my father almost became a greasespot on someone's pickup. We were following a truck on 17, he signalled to turn left. Father was asleep at the switch (and in front of me) and I saw him go to the left (he was in the left portion of the lane) and heard the squeal as the rear brake locked. Nothing I could do but watch. One point to the alert cager who saw him in the rear view mirror and pulled to the right (forcing me to the shoulder, but luckily, I was doing about 5 mph at the time, and had planned on doing that anyway) Lucky for my dad. Time to talk to him Monday about the MSF course again. BTW, from there to Fredericksburg, I led the way. My only close encounter with a cage today was while in the right hand lane of 66 (17 and 66 are joined for a stretch) when some dumb old hag pulled into my lane. I'm pretty sure it was deliberate. Doesn't matter. She got an earful of horn and a one finger salute anyway. If it weren't for the way the traffic was at that particular instant, she likely would have gotten a door panel fool of boot as well. Stock seats start to hurt after 200 miles. Time to call Meyer or Russell. (After a call to Corbin or Travelcade for the Wing). Opposed cylinders make really good footrests. Passenger pegs are okay for a few minutes, but there is a BIG lack of control like that. Saw an add for some braces to mount actual footpegs on cylinders (not a bad idea, considering that those air/oil cooled jugs melted some rubber from my boots. Only going to get worse as it gets warmer) but they cost $250. Had enough time to figure out a way to do it myself on the cheap. Just gotta see if the engine studs can take that much sideways pressure on them. Wrist hurts. Can you say 'Throttlemeister'? Oh, totally off topic, but something I remembered while out on the road today. In the middle of the Xmas ride (now where is that turn onto Rock Creek Parkway) the guy who rides the Honda Hawk and wears the heated gloves (sorry, can't remember your name. Aggh!) asked me two questions. First was 'why does the rear on your bike drop so much when you accelerate?' Figured it out about 10 days ago: too little damping in the rear. Tightened that up, and it's much steadier on acceleration. Found this out at the same time I found out why it was so hard to change preload, and what the @$%#$ this weird tool is in my toolkit. Turns out it's a handle extension of the preload spanner. Geez, that's easier. The other question is where I got that nifty plate that bolts to the caliper mounting bolt that holds your inspection sticker. Originally, I was going to part with it, but wound up using it for the parking pass for my apartment. Found out that the owner of Morton's BMW knows a guy who is a machinest who makes the plates for him. So give 'em a call (don't have the number) and they will likely sell you the plate for a few bucks. Think this note just about doubles the volume to the list tonight. Congrats on the new abode, John. This past weekend, I decided that I'm sorely po'ed at paying $835/mo. for my apartment, having no equity, and no garage. Tomorrow, we start scouting neighborhoods for a modest house. Unfortunately (or not, depending on mood) I think it's a sign that Miss Orlando might have a different title in a year or so. I'll just have to go to Jeanette and Tom's wedding and make sure I catch the garter to guarantee I'm the next to get married:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 26 09:03:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28440; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09207; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11560 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA11642 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35435AA6.1C4E@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:02:46 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Kozyn's Klassifieds ;) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK Gang, Here's another bike I found on Usenet - Please do not e-mail me - e-mail the guy selling it. -- John Kozyn ======================================================== Subject: FS: Honda FT-500 m/c Date: 16 Apr 1998 12:42:07 GMT From: jonathan@XXXXXX (Jonathan D. Sturges) Newsgroups: va.forsale 1982 Honda FT-500 Ascot (motorcycle) Single-cylinder, 500cc. Would make good around-town starter bike when fixed up. Engine runs, but bike does need work. E-mail me for details of work needed, if interested. Bike is located in Norfolk, VA; you will need to come get it! :) Have clear title. Asking $250.00 OBO. Must sell soon. Jonathan jonathan@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 26 09:08:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28463; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09261; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11603 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA11734 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35435BD4.D74@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:07:48 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: More Klassifieds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's another one... -- John Kozyn ======================================================= Subject: FS: Yamaha Virago 920 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:54:56 -0700 From: mikegb@XXXXXX Newsgroups: va.forsale 1983 Yamamha Virago 920, Bike has been sitting for a couple of years and will need some cleaning up, Low miles, Tires in good shape, Digital Speedometer and Tach, asking $1200, If interested reply here or call me at 703-369-2477. Thanks ]\/[ike mikegb@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 26 17:56:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03183; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11124; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.crosslink.net (known hermes.crosslink.net [206.246.124.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17725 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27276 invoked from network); 26 Apr 1998 21:55:32 -0000 Received: from surf164.wch.adelphia.net (HELO gary) (24.48.14.164) by hermes.crosslink.net with SMTP; 26 Apr 1998 21:55:32 -0000 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Summit Point Sunday Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:55:20 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd715e$019d6a40$a40e3018@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I guess you all can thank me for the lack of rain. I drove my truck to the track, but if I had taken the FJ, you could have been assured some RAIN! Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: gforeman@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.fj1100.com A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR Judgement to AVOID the situations which might require the use of his SUPERIOR Skills. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 26 20:40:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04469; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11816; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19616 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p198.smart.net [206.97.127.198]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13878; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:39:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3543D280.D6A05AC9@smart.net> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:34:11 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John C. Kozyn" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Who Rode Today ? References: <3542C735.3A06@mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John: I accompanied Glen Dysart, Steve Beck, Curtis Clement, Zbig Tyrlik, and Craig Johnston on an excellent ride out to the Seneca Rocks loop (I believe). Regretably, I had to depart before completion of the loop, so I'll leave the narration of the trip report to one of them. I was _amazed_ at how Glen on his V30 Magna was able to take those turns on 55 and 33. I was a little suspicious when I saw the Progressive springs on it, though. ;-D This was the best set of roads I've ridden so far.....getting excited about Deal's Gap, however. John C. Kozyn wrote: > Hey Gang, > > Well, I feel badly for not being at SP today, but as a small handful of > you know, we're moving this week so I had a bunch of domestic stuff to > deal with. > > However, as always, I check my DC (digest) mode every evening - tonight > after my Habs lost to the Pens - and I guess most of y'all were either > riding (no duh as my daught opines) or at SP. > > But judging from the list traffic (3) I guess one of us stayed home to > keep the list fires burning. Thanks to George Howell for keeping the > list going today! You go George!! -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 26 20:58:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04587; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11918; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19815 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr52-dialup38.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0ES10092SRZI6C@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:57:20 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 07:26:56 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: motorcycle junkyard To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <000001bd70f1$5ea5df00$e64f37a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_TP5fSXlxkTXkYwryBs8fTQ)" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_TP5fSXlxkTXkYwryBs8fTQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >hey, whoever posted the link to the motorcycle junkyard database site, >would you send/repost it please. i deleted it accidentally during my >weekly cleanup. >thx >tom Here is my first contribution to the list. This is one I found a little while ago.. www.mshopper.eurografix.com/salvage/salvage.htm There is also one that is not listed called Baltimore Cycle Salvage, which I have used before and recommend. Don't know the number off hand, but they are near Camden Yards. Jon Schumer 92 FZR 600 --Boundary_(ID_TP5fSXlxkTXkYwryBs8fTQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
>hey, whoever posted the link to the motorcycle junkyard database site,
>would you send/repost it please.  i deleted it accidentally during my
>weekly cleanup.

>thx

>tom
 
Here is my first contribution to the list.
This is one I found a little while ago..  www.mshopper.eurografix.com/salvage/salvage.htm
There is also one that is not listed called Baltimore Cycle Salvage, which I have used before and recommend.  Don't know the number off hand, but they are near Camden Yards.
 
Jon Schumer
92 FZR 600 
--Boundary_(ID_TP5fSXlxkTXkYwryBs8fTQ)-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 26 21:20:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04764; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12031; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20004 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-15.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.56]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA09981; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:16:20 -0400 Message-ID: <03c001bd717a$344f4140$3810b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: , "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Driving in DC (humor) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:16:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 From: Bill Schmidt BASIC RULES FOR DRIVING IN THE DC/METRO AREA snip... Yes, Yes. Newbies/visitors (Run for the Wall?) will be well advised. Additions appropriate? -- Carry sinkhole-extrication tools (rope ladder, small crane) for surprise no-road events (Franconia Road, 21&M (several years ago), etc.). -- Develop tactics for preventing/dealing with the likes of recent tire iron/baseball bat situations. An incantation invoking disappearance of self and bike is a start: Another -- sinkhole creation under the wielder and/or his/her cage. -- Persons in cages with diplomatic plates probably use different SIPDE* filters (matching language and heritage). Upon spotting, take a right (not left) turn asap and conservatively plan another route to destination. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD Champagne over my palette, its triple clamp, coming up at 10K. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. *For non-MSF'ers -- SIPDE -- Scan, Identify, Predict, Decide, Execute driving guide. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 26 21:50:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05043; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12184; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from enterprise.reliacom.com (known enterprise.reliacom.com [151.200.65.161]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20371 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by enterprise.reliacom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:48:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1FEC5DA89BADD1118007006008A591101CC6@enterprise.reliacom.com> From: Scot Kight To: "'klthomas@XXXXXX'" , Glenn_Norwicke@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Inspection in MD Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:48:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain VA is much more intensive then VA actually. MD is "Look at bike, turn on bike, check signals, check brakes." Cya later! VA is similar, but they are supposed to look at exhaust equipment too. They dont. But they are supposed to. Go to cycles usa, they are to busy right now to bother doing it right :> They will look, stamp something, and you go home. > > Glenn-- > > Yeah, that's about what I pay; don't recall exactly. I go to Potomac > Amoco. The MD insp, I'd assume, is _much_ more thorough than > VA, tho MD mc > insp isn't near as tough as MD car insp. And you only have > to do it once, > as opposed to VA's annual insp. > > Later > Kevin > > > At 09:19 AM 4/24/98 -0400, you wrote: > >I just rejoined the list after about a 1.5yr absence (sold > my bike). I need > >to get my 92 Bandit 400 inspected in MD. I called two > places; Cycles USA > >wanted $37 and an Exxon near there said $45. Is that the > going rate? When I > >lived in VA I think I paid like $5 or maybe $15. Any > recommendations would > >be appreciated? > >thanks! > > > >glenn > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 26 23:23:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05916; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12658; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (known radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21494 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:21:27 -0400 (EDT) From: thetrick@XXXXXX Received: from nt_thetrick (tc1-s18.wizard.net [206.161.15.48]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA04193; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:21:25 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980426231929.00946af0@mail.wizard.net> X-Sender: thetrick@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:19:29 -0400 To: Dawn & Jon , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: motorcycle junkyard In-Reply-To: <000001bd70f1$5ea5df00$e64f37a6@0302104396168270> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" thanks for the link. and thanks to everyone else that sent me one. http://www.wizard.net/~thetrick/motoyards.htm tom At 07:26 AM 4/26/98 +0000, you wrote: > >hey, whoever posted the link to the motorcycle junkyard database site, >> i deleted it accidentally during my >>weekly cleanup. > >>thx > >>tom > Here is my first contribution to the list. >www.mshopper.eurografix.com/salvage/salvage.htm Don't know the number off >hand, but they are near Camden Yards. Jon Schumer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 01:24:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA07406; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13951; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23053 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.55] (unverified [207.226.128.55]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:20:11 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Inspection in MD Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 01:23:01 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Scot Kight" , "'klthomas@XXXXXX'" , cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >VA is much more intensive then VA actually. MD is "Look at bike, turn >on bike, check signals, check brakes." Cya later! Depends on where you go in MD. For all their faults, my two inspections at AC&P were VERY thorough. Took 30 minutes to look over the Beemer, including micing the rotors (X3), adjusting headlight, and numerous other odds and ends. I didn't get to watch my GL being inspected, but the guy I bought it from got it done there, and he was hassled because of a wonky neutral light (even though it's not on the official form, they made sure all of the lights and so forth worked). ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 09:09:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11288; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20641; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28120 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22981 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA16351 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804271307.JAA16351@zydeco.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:06:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Towing? Trailer? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone have recommendations on someplace that will tow or trailer a bike? My FJ died at a gas station on Saturday. Looks like something in the electrical system. I have a dead short when I turn the ignition on. Looked for open connections and frayed wires, didn't find anything. Did some troubleshooting using my multimeter (after cabbing home to get my tools) and couldn't find anything directly obvious, although, the sidestand kill-switch looks like its hosed. Later. Dan. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 09:33:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11669; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20853; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail4.geocities.com [209.1.224.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28590 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA19628; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3544884F.E840872E@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:29:51 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Brown CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Towing? Trailer? References: <199804271307.JAA16351@zydeco.CSS.GOV> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan... Where is it at and where do you need to get it? If you aren't 100s of miles away, I can seing by with my truck and give you a lift after work sometime.... I keep the ramp and tie downs in the back of the truck pretty much all the time.. Dan Brown wrote: > Anyone have recommendations on someplace that will > tow or trailer a bike? -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 10:27:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12452; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21348; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00120 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA28296; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:25:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA00316; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:25:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980427142548.BEFD8145@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:25:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Gary Foreman" CC: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Summit Point Sunday X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980427142548.BEFD8145@[166.41.242.141]> Gee, I wish you would have shown up late Saturday evening then. We would have had a completely dry track and plenty-o-sun :) Todd >I guess you all can thank me for the lack of rain. I drove my truck to the >track, but if I had taken the FJ, you could have been assured some RAIN! > > >Gary W. Foreman >EMAIL: gforeman@XXXXXX >WEB: http://www.fj1100.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 10:41:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12682; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21547; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00513 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA11449; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA27575; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA25653; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:39:27 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA25647; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:39:26 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD71AF.9A4EC170@XXXXXX>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:39:25 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Looking for a CBR F2/F3 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:34:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 8 TEXT, 42 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Hi guys! 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He was raging! Anybody know this guy? Joe >>> Todd Peer - 4/27/98 10:18 AM >>> Gee, I wish you would have shown up late Saturday evening then. We would have had a completely dry track and plenty-o-sun :) Todd >I guess you all can thank me for the lack of rain. I drove my truck to the >track, but if I had taken the FJ, you could have been assured some RAIN! > > >Gary W. Foreman >EMAIL: gforeman@XXXXXX >WEB: http://www.fj1100.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 11:09:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13071; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22059; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itm07.itmassociates.com (known [207.154.22.7] [207.154.22.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01478 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itm04.itmassociates.com ([207.154.22.4]) by itm07.itmassociates.com (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 852565F3.00534FD7; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:09:59 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980427150834.00953250@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: us004937@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:08:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Space Subject: Re: Looking for a CBR F2/F3 Try Trader online, the cycle section. I always use this site to ballpark prices and availability on bikes and cars. http://www.traderonline.com/cycle/search/index.shtml Later Rob Space At 07:34 AM 4/27/98 -0700, you wrote: >Hi guys! > >I know a guy that's looking for a late model CBR F2/F3 and has about $5 or >6 grand to spend. Know of anybody that's selling one or where he could >look other than the Wash Post and Classified 2000? > >- - Ursulina > > >begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT >M>)\^(AH.`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` >M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`06 `P`.````S@<$`!L` >M!P`B`"L``0!)`0$@@ ,`#@```,X'! `;``<`)P`9``$`/ $!"8 !`"$```!% >M1#$P.#,Y-$4S1#E$,3$Q03%"13 P.# U1D,Q1$-&0@!-!P$-@ 0``@````(` >M`@`!!( !`!@```!,;V]K:6YG(&9OM`"8````#``" "" &``````# ````````1@````!2A0``MPT``!X``8 (( 8` >M`````, ```````!&`````%2%```!````! ```#@N, `#``* "" &``````# >M````````1@`````!A0````````L``X (( 8``````, ```````!&``````.% >M````````"P`$@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````#H4````````#``6 "" & >M``````# ````````1@`````0A0````````,`!H (( 8``````, ```````!& >M`````!&%`````````P`'@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````&(4````````> >M``B "" &``````# ````````1@`````VA0```0````$`````````'@`)@ @@ >M!@``````P ```````$8`````-X4```$````!`````````!X`"H (( 8````` >M`, ```````!&`````#B%```!`````0`````````#``80=?%Q%0,`!Q"J```` >M'@`($ $```!E````2$E'55E324M.3U=!1U595$A!5%-,3T]+24Y'1D]204Q! >M5$5-3T1%3$-"4D8R+T8S04Y$2$%304)/550D-4]2-D=204Y$5$]34$5.1$M. >M3U=/1D%.64)/1%E42$%44U-%3$Q)3@`````#`! 0``````,`$1 ``````@$) >M$ $```!>`0``6@$``+P!``!,6D9UX"=JY ,`"@!R8W!G,3(U=C(`] 'W( *D >M`^,"`&,": K 9V$"@P!0?P3E$!H#< W@!@0%X * ?;,* >M@ C((#L);PX@. * V0J!=6,`4 L#8P!!"V B;@X0,#,S"Z4R( !(:2!G=7ES >M(0<*H@J$"H!)(&MN;R4'X&$80B!T$$!T)Y,$( D`;VL+@&<@`A#'!< 9T M@ >M=&4@!&(#( !#0E(@1C(O1N(S&MTG1O('-P"? @9"X@($L9DF]F-1S!>0;@9!H7$'!L;,\:X@(@&[ %L7=H!) ; >ML.4AL" %H'5L'/ :HAW0GQHP!) :(@.@(O$@5QT@8&@@4&]S!4 M$ :0") <\ '0)7 _Z1BJ+2 F<%408")0"X!^81;!#!(1@PP!&+,3P0`!*+ ` >M``L``@`!````'@!P``$````8````3&]O:VEN9R!F;W(@82!#0E(@1C(O1C,` >M`@%Q``$````6`````;UR`WK0NSM`#D`,)M``!C/553.V$]051434%)3#MP/4%45#ML/4A114Y'7TU31S R+3DX,#0R-S$T >M,S0T,UHM-#$P``````(!^3\!````2@````````#M`0`````````O3SU!5%0O3U4]05145U,M2%$Q+T-./5)%0TE0245.5%,O0TX] >M55)354Q)3D$````>`/@_`0```!$```!6:71EM^S\!````2@````````#M3U4]05145U,M2%$Q+T-./5)%0TE0245.5%,O0TX]55)354Q)3D$````>`/H_ >M`0```!$```!6:71EZ7&]`4 `"# : >MM/0`!`````0`````````+`"D```````L`(P```````@%_``$```!0````/&,] >M55,E83U!5%1-04E,)7 ]0514)6P]2%%%3D=?35-',#(M.3@P-#(W,30S-#0S >B6BTT,3! :'$M;7-G,#$N;G=E` >end > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 11:15:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13179; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22137; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01659 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cagw1.att.com; Mon Apr 27 11:07 EDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id LAA20795 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD71CD.B16FA400@XXXXXX>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:14:49 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'suzuki-l@XXXXXX'" , "'bandit-talk@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Bandit 600 Touch-up Paint Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:14:48 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone is interested in touch up paint for their Bandit 600, I have one "pen" for the total price of, including shipping: $9.35 (USA). (It retails at my dealership for $13.95 + tax) The color is the beautiful deep green. E-mail me directly if you are interested. Thanks. John Carver jcarver@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 11:19:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13219; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22207; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01975 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA05054; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:26:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:26:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Dan Brown cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Towing? Trailer? In-Reply-To: <199804271307.JAA16351@zydeco.CSS.GOV> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII might try Chris Leuzzi, 202-333-4389. As for the problem, no magic advice; just be systematic and take notes. --garcia On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Dan Brown wrote: > > > > Anyone have recommendations on someplace that will > tow or trailer a bike? > > > My FJ died at a gas station on Saturday. Looks like > something in the electrical system. I have a dead > short when I turn the ignition on. Looked for open > connections and frayed wires, didn't find anything. > Did some troubleshooting using my multimeter (after > cabbing home to get my tools) and couldn't find > anything directly obvious, although, the sidestand > kill-switch looks like its hosed. > > > Later. > Dan. > > > -- > Resist or Serve > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 11:26:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13311; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22343; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02197 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA03150; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:25:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA18424; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980427152553.BJXR8893@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:25:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: JOE NAGY CC: gforeman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point Sunday -Reply X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980427152553.BJXR8893@[166.41.242.141]> Was that bike 198? Wheelies out of turn 3 on almost every lap. Had him timed best at 1.18:65. T >It didn't seem to bother Brian Beemisturfer (sp?) any. He was raging! >Anybody know this guy? >Joe >>> Todd Peer - 4/27/98 10:18 AM >>> Gee, I wish you would have shown up late Saturday evening then. We would have had a completely dry track and plenty-o-sun :) Todd >I guess you all can thank me for the lack of rain. I drove my truck to the >track, but if I had taken the FJ, you could have been assured some RAIN! > > >Gary W. Foreman >EMAIL: gforeman@XXXXXX >WEB: http://www.fj1100.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 11:36:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13456; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22473; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02391 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:35:53 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.75.103]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA15007; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:35:21 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980427113419.006a91e8@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:34:19 -0400 To: Dan Brown , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Towing? Trailer? In-Reply-To: <199804271307.JAA16351@zydeco.CSS.GOV> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dan-- Independent MC towing 301-946-5412. They originally did only MCs, now also exotic cars, antiques, street rods. They specialize in not messing up your vehicle. And not expensive, either. They towed my friend's El Camino and his trailer, and my motorcycle, which was in the trailer when the El Camino broke. Everybody on the list should write down that phone number in their wallet. later Kevin At 09:06 AM 4/27/98 -0400, Dan Brown wrote: > > > >Anyone have recommendations on someplace that will >tow or trailer a bike? > > >My FJ died at a gas station on Saturday. Looks like >something in the electrical system. I have a dead >short when I turn the ignition on. Looked for open >connections and frayed wires, didn't find anything. >Did some troubleshooting using my multimeter (after >cabbing home to get my tools) and couldn't find >anything directly obvious, although, the sidestand >kill-switch looks like its hosed. > > >Later. >Dan. > > >-- >Resist or Serve > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 11:38:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13484; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22487; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from multi21.netcomi.com (known multi21.netcomi.com [204.58.155.221]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02435 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dalew@localhost) by multi21.netcomi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA19966; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:37:20 -0500 Received: from mcf.com (mail.mcf.com [165.254.158.83]) by multi21.netcomi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19960 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:37:19 -0500 Received: from liststar.mcf.com (165.254.158.8) by mcf.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.1); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:33:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:14:48 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Carver, John" Subject: FW: Bandit 600 Touch-up Paint Old-To: "'suzuki-l@XXXXXX'" , "'bandit-talk@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-to: bandit-talk@XXXXXX Errors-to: bandit-talk-request@XXXXXX X-No-Archive: Yes Restrict: no-external-archive X-Loop: dalew@XXXXXX To: dlwalker@XXXXXX If anyone is interested in touch up paint for their Bandit 600, I have one "pen" for the total price of, including shipping: $9.35 (USA). (It retails at my dealership for $13.95 + tax) The color is the beautiful deep green. E-mail me directly if you are interested. Thanks. John Carver jcarver@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 11:42:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13556; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22576; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02739 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA13360; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3544A6AE.A61DAE00@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:39:26 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: JOE NAGY , gforeman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point Sunday -Reply References: <19980427152553.BJXR8893@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's the guy... Bryan Bemisderfer Over Easter, he held it on one wheel from the exit of 10 all the way past the start grid! Personally, I think his brother Tim is a faster rider, but he's on a slower bike. Over Easter weekend, they raced against each other in 2 classes, splitting a win apiece.. Tim was on a GSXR1100 and had to ride that thing on the extreme edge to battle the R1. Together, they put on one of the best shows I've seen yet out at Summit. Yesterday, there wasn't really any competition for Bryan... On one race, #124 on a GSXR750 gave him a run until the next to last lap when he got stuck behind a lapped rider... It was really neat to see some of those vintage machines that are older than I am.... (Whoa.. that thing shifts on the other side :) he he he Norton's I believe??) And man, do those older two strokes SMOKE!!! and I don't mean in a fast way.. I mean more like a mosquitoe fogger kinda way he he Todd Peer wrote: > > Was that bike 198? Wheelies out of turn 3 on almost every lap. Had > him timed best at 1.18:65. -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 11:54:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13699; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22723; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03131 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA9119 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:46:29 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:52:52 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:54:14 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: gforeman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point Sunday -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I'm not sure what his number was, but I first noticed him on a Yamaha R1 storming into turn 5 waaay faster than anyone had all weekend, smacking his knee slider onto the cement like he meant it, and generally looking like a big-time roadracer. Everybody else was decelerating coming out of the chute. The track announcer (Beemister, uh Beemifurster") noted at one point that he was only one second over the track record. He went on to two or three more wins in the afternoon. I think on the 600 he had a good battle with a guy named Charlie Otis. Joe >>> Todd Peer - 4/27/98 11:14 AM >>> Was that bike 198? Wheelies out of turn 3 on almost every lap. Had him timed best at 1.18:65. T >It didn't seem to bother Brian Beemisturfer (sp?) any. He was raging! >Anybody know this guy? >Joe >>> Todd Peer - 4/27/98 10:18 AM >>> Gee, I wish you would have shown up late Saturday evening then. We would have had a completely dry track and plenty-o-sun :) Todd >I guess you all can thank me for the lack of rain. I drove my truck to the >track, but if I had taken the FJ, you could have been assured some RAIN! > > >Gary W. Foreman >EMAIL: gforeman@XXXXXX >WEB: http://www.fj1100.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 12:18:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14055; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23101; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03884 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA10707 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:17:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199804271617.LAA10707@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ip45.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net(38.30.47.45) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma010679; Mon Apr 27 11:17:18 1998 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:17:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: new speak (no moto content) Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) New English Terms we all need to know I know you've all heard the recently coined slang phrase "Going Postal". Here are some more examples, from the book "Jargon Watch", just published by Wired magazine . . . (By the way, for the out of touch: Going Postal - Euphemism for being totally stressed out, for losing it. Makes reference to the unfortunate track record of postal employees who have snapped and gone on shooting rampages.) Alpha Geek - The most knowledgeable, technically proficient person in an office or work group. "Ask Larry, he's the alpha geek around here." Assmosis - The process by which some people seem to absorb success and advancement by kissing up to the boss rather than working hard. Beepilepsy - The brief seizure people sometimes have when their beeper goes off (especially in vibrator mode). Characterized by physical spasms, goofy facial expressions, and interruption of speech in midsentence. Chips and Salsa - Chips hardware, salsa software. "Well, first we gotta figure out if the problem's in your chips or your salsa." Crapplet - A badly written or profoundly useless Java applet. "I just wasted 30 minutes downloading this stinkin' crapplet!" Dancing Baloney - Little animated GIFs and other Web F/X that are useless and serve simply to impress clients. "This page is kinda dull. Maybe a little dancing baloney will help." Depotphobia - Fear associated with entering a Home Depot because of how much money one might spend. Electronics geeks experience Shackophobia. Flight Risk - Used to describe employees who are suspected of planning to leave a company or department soon. 404 - Someone who's clueless. From the World Wide Web error message "404 Not Found," meaning that the requested document could not be located. "Don't bother asking him . . .he's 404, man." Generica -Features of the American landscape that are exactly the same no matter where one is. "We were so lost in generica, I actually forgot what city we were in." GOOD Job - A "Get-Out-Of-Debt" job. A well-paying job people take in order to pay off their debts, one that they will quit as soon as they are solvent again. Irritainment - Entertainment and media spectacles that are annoying, but you find yourself unable to stop watching them. The O.J. trials were a prime example. Keyboard Plaque - The disgusting buildup of dirt and crud found on computer keyboards. Midair Passenger Exchange - Grim air-traffic-controller-speak for a head-on collision. Midair passenger exchanges are quickly followed by "aluminum rain." Nyetscape - Nickname for AOL's less-than-full-featured Web browser. Ohnosecond - That miniscule fraction of time in which you realize that you've just made a BIG mistake. Seen in Elizabeth P. Crowe's book The Electronic Traveller. PEBCAK - Tech support shorthand for "Problem Exists Between Chair and Keyboard." (Techies are a frustrated, often arrogant lot. They've submitted numerous acronyms and terms that poke fun at the clueless users who call them up with frighteningly stupid questions. Another variation on the above is ID10T: "This guy has an ID-Ten-T on his system.") Percussive Maintenance - The fine art of whacking the crap out of an electronic device to get it to work again. Prairie Dogging - When someone yells or drops something loudly in a "cube farm" (an office full of cubicles) and everyone's heads pop up over the walls to see what's going on. Seagull Manager - A manager who flies in, makes a lot of noise, shits over everything and then leaves. Square-headed Girlfriend - Another word for a computer. The victim of a square-headed girlfriend is a "computer widow." Telephone Number Salary - A salary (or project budget) that has seven digits. Tourists - People who take training classes just to get a vacation from their jobs. "We had about three serious students in the class; the rest were tourists." Uninstalled - Euphemism for being fired. Heard on the voicemail of a vice president at a downsizing computer firm: "You have reached the number of an uninstalled vice president. Please dial our main number and ask the operator for assistance." See also Decruitment. Vulcan Nerve Pinch - The taxing hand position required to reach all of the appropriate keys for certain commands. For instance, the warm boot for a Mac II involves simultaneously pressing the Control key, the Command key, the Return key and the Power On key. Yuppie Food Stamps - The ubiquitous $20 bills spewed out of ATMs everywhere. Often used when trying to split the bill after a meal: "We all owe $8 each, but all anybody's got is yuppie food stamps." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 12:22:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14115; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23171; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04090 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p196.smart.net [206.97.127.196]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA30269; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:21:34 -0400 Message-ID: <3544AF4F.77E99BCE@smart.net> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:16:16 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Looking for a CBR F2/F3 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try: www.motorcycleshopper.com (lots of new posts daily) or www.allaboutcycles.com (supposedly the biggest) Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > Hi guys! > > I know a guy that's looking for a late model CBR F2/F3 and has about $5 or > 6 grand to spend. Know of anybody that's selling one or where he could > look other than the Wash Post and Classified 2000? -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 13:23:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15217; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24471; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sidewinder.s3i.com (known dns.s3i.com [206.233.73.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06326 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sidewinder.s3i.com (root@localhost) by sidewinder.s3i.com with ESMTP id NAA14934 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmo.s3i.com (elmo.s3i.com [10.1.0.2]) by sidewinder.s3i.com with SMTP id NAA14930 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by elmo.s3i.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA07847; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:23:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:23:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Clark E. Dorman" X-Sender: dorman@elmo Reply-To: "Clark E. Dorman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bob's Update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I take back everything bad I said about Bob's BMW. They called late on Friday to let me know that they worked on the bike (despite thinking they were not going to get to it till next week), fixed it, didn't charge me for a chunk of the labor (pertaining to what they did before), and replaced my fuel lines and petcocks for free. I also got a backrest so the girlfriend is happy and more comfortable, and a new (used) speedo/tach at the Open House. The only DC Cycles listperson I met was Colleen who apparently ended up buying more stuff than she sold. I was late due to #%^#@ traffic on the Beltway. Looking forward to meeting you all at the Spring Fling. As the party does not start til 5, are people interested in a pre-party ride, possibly out to the SpringFest ? Clark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 13:56:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15682; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25306; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.40]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07319 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id 1TFa018333 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:54:19 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <641f6831.3544c64c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:54:19 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Bob's Update Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Clark said, >The only DC Cycles listperson >I met was Colleen who apparently ended up buying more stuff than she sold. Well, I saw lots of you. I even saw the elusive Harry! (hi Harry). It was fun. It's true that my car was more overloaded when I left, but that's the fun part. Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 14:26:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16169; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26634; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08470 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA14381; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980427142807.0069f274@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 27 Apr 1998 18:26:05 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:28:07 -0400 To: MotorLE From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Bob's Update Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <641f6831.3544c64c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:54 PM 4/27/98 EDT, MotorLE wrote: >Well, I saw lots of you. I even saw the elusive Harry! It's true! It was great to meet Colleen finally and put a face to her email address. She even had a great pair of leather pants for a friend of mine. This week I'm going to add to her collection with some of the surviving stuff off my (dearly departed) ZX-11. By the way, although Bob's Open House was okay, it couldn't come close to Battley's. Does anyone know when they are holding theirs? Last year that had it all: custom bikes, live band, factory reps, tattoos, etc. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 14:30:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16238; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26792; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08647 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA09238 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA24480 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:29:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980427182947.CLGN2485@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:29:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SprotFest '98 Was: Bob's Update X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980427182947.CLGN2485@[166.41.242.141]> Clark Dorman wrote >Looking forward to meeting you all at the Spring Fling. > >As the party does not start til 5, are people interested in a pre-party >ride, possibly out to the SpringFest ? How about a pre-party ride up to and back from SportFest '98? I'm planning on being up there 'round 10am (it all starts at 9am). There are plenty of cool roads up beginning off of River Rd, so staying off of 270 should be no problem. Who else is up for a ride there and back? I'd like to test ride Ducati, Triumph and Buell, so I'll probably be spending some time hanging out up there. Also, might do the BattleTrax thingy. Who has done this before? What's involved? Todd >>May 2, 1998. Sportfest '98 in Frederick, Maryland. Manufacturer >>representatives and demo rides from BMW, Buell, >> Ducati, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and Triumph. A BattleTrax event is >>scheduled as well. There will also be seminars by >> Dyno-Jet, HyperPro and the Mid-Atlantic Road Racing Club. For more >>information call Mike Vantucci or Ralf Berger >> at 301-694-8177. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 14:39:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16366; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26964; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08947 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yTsoC-0005DG-00; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:39:20 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:37:12 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D61EB00@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: SprotFest '98 Was: Bob's Update Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:38:32 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Tom & I would be up for a pre-party ride. Todd, where is this SportFest thing? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, April 27, 1998 2:25 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: SprotFest '98 Was: Bob's Update > > > Clark Dorman wrote > >Looking forward to meeting you all at the Spring Fling. > > > >As the party does not start til 5, are people interested in a > pre-party > >ride, possibly out to the SpringFest ? > > How about a pre-party ride up to and back from SportFest '98? I'm > planning on being up there 'round 10am (it all starts at 9am). There > are plenty of cool roads up beginning off of River Rd, so staying off > of 270 should be no problem. > > Who else is up for a ride there and back? I'd like to test ride > Ducati, > Triumph and Buell, so I'll probably be spending some time hanging out > up there. Also, might do the BattleTrax thingy. Who has done this > before? What's involved? > > Todd > > >>May 2, 1998. Sportfest '98 in Frederick, Maryland. Manufacturer > >>representatives and demo rides from BMW, Buell, > >> Ducati, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and Triumph. A BattleTrax event > is > >>scheduled as well. There will also be seminars by > >> Dyno-Jet, HyperPro and the Mid-Atlantic Road Racing Club. For > more > >>information call Mike Vantucci or Ralf Berger > >> at 301-694-8177. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 14:50:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16592; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27354; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09404 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:41:17 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:41:04 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sportfest '98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Sportfest '98 I'd like to ride up there and check out the event. I would be up for departing at 9 am. We could meet on River Road near the entrance to your preferred detour around I-270. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who else is up for a ride there and back? I'd like to test ride Ducati, Triumph and Buell, so I'll probably be spending some time hanging out up there. Also, might do the BattleTrax thingy. Who has done this before? What's involved? Todd <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 15:00:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16857; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27472; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09867 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA23840; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:59:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA17059; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:59:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980427185944.CYSS8145@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:59:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: SprotFest '98 Was: Bob's Update X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980427185944.CYSS8145@[166.41.242.141]> Harley Davidson/Beull of Frederick, MD I'll probably leave nlt, 9am. Probably more like 8:30am Todd Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D61EB00@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: SprotFest '98 Was: Bob's Update Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:38:32 -0400 Tom & I would be up for a pre-party ride. Todd, where is this SportFest thing? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, April 27, 1998 2:25 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: SprotFest '98 Was: Bob's Update > > > Clark Dorman wrote > >Looking forward to meeting you all at the Spring Fling. > > > >As the party does not start til 5, are people interested in a > pre-party > >ride, possibly out to the SpringFest ? > > How about a pre-party ride up to and back from SportFest '98? I'm > planning on being up there 'round 10am (it all starts at 9am). There > are plenty of cool roads up beginning off of River Rd, so staying off > of 270 should be no problem. > > Who else is up for a ride there and back? I'd like to test ride > Ducati, > Triumph and Buell, so I'll probably be spending some time hanging out > up there. Also, might do the BattleTrax thingy. Who has done this > before? What's involved? > > Todd > > >>May 2, 1998. Sportfest '98 in Frederick, Maryland. Manufacturer > >>representatives and demo rides from BMW, Buell, > >> Ducati, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and Triumph. A BattleTrax event > is > >>scheduled as well. There will also be seminars by > >> Dyno-Jet, HyperPro and the Mid-Atlantic Road Racing Club. For > more > >>information call Mike Vantucci or Ralf Berger > >> at 301-694-8177. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 15:58:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17851; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29526; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11804 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA23739 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:57:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA07895 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:57:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980427195757.DIED8145@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:57:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: SportFest '98 to Spring Fling X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980427195757.DIED8145@[166.41.242.141]> What: SportFest 1998 Host: Harley Davidson & Buell of Fredrick - 301-694-8177 Where: 5722 Urbana Pike, Frederick, Md When: May 2, 1998 - Starts at 9am Demos: BMW, Buell, Ducati, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and Triumph (what? no Harley Davidsons!). Events: A BattleTrax event is scheduled as well. Seminars by Dyno-Jet, HyperPro and the Mid-Atlantic Road Racing Club (MARRC) Getting There: Ok, it's been awhile since I've led a ride, so I'll volunteer to lead this one. Let's meet at or before 9am at the Safeway on the corner of River Road (190) and Great Falls Rd (189). We will depart the Safeway parking lot at 9am heading down River Rd. I'll work up a ride sheet using Street Atlas V5. If more than 10 bikes show up for the ride (even 11), I want to split the group up into two. The riders involved in the ride up to Harpers Ferry will appreciate this decision ;-) If this happens, not to worry. I can't imagine we'd be in Frederick, MD the entire day but it would be a good ride down to Dale and Tracys' for the Spring Fling. I'll probably try to get home first to 'freshen-up'. Still haven't figured out what to bring yet :p Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 19:59:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21840; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06300; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18787 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA00902; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:58:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv6-03.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.99) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma000883; Mon Apr 27 18:57:26 1998 Message-ID: <3544C496.1D37@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:47:02 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Extreme Machines-Motorcycles TLC tonite @8 pm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ectreme Machines Features Motorcycles on the Learning Channel 8 pm tonite -- Ken S. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 21:03:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22486; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06766; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19996 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA08531; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:02:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv6-03.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.99) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008395; Mon Apr 27 20:01:53 1998 Message-ID: <3544D3B5.B4F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:51:33 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [Fwd: Extreme Machines-Motorcycles TLC tonite @8 pm] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------D7216832BBD" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D7216832BBD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI Its repeated again at 11pm tonite, was pretty cool... -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV --------------D7216832BBD Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay04.netaddress.usa.net (relay04.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.184]) by ixmail3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.7-s-4/8.8.7/(NETCOM v1.01)) with SMTP id QAA03419; for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19011 invoked from network); 27 Apr 1998 23:59:22 -0000 Received: from realmx03.netaddress.usa.net (HELO mx03.netaddress.usa.net) (204.68.24.12) by relay04.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 27 Apr 1998 23:59:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 21966 invoked by uid 0); 27 Apr 1998 23:59:15 -0000 Received: from 206.214.98.5 (206.214.98.5) by mx03.netaddress.usa.net via mtad (2.4) id mx03-cDAX710865; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:58:53 00000 (GMT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA00902; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:58:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv6-03.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.99) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma000883; Mon Apr 27 18:57:26 1998 Message-ID: <3544C496.1D37@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:47:02 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Extreme Machines-Motorcycles TLC tonite @8 pm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ectreme Machines Features Motorcycles on the Learning Channel 8 pm tonite -- Ken S. --------------D7216832BBD-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 21:17:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22652; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06869; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20324 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:17:26 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.75.21]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA2867; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:16:54 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980427211553.006bc32c@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:15:53 -0400 To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." , MotorLE Subject: Re: Bob's Update Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980427142807.0069f274@pop.mindspring.com> References: <641f6831.3544c64c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Harry-- I went to one in the fall..... Later kevin At 02:28 PM 4/27/98 -0400, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: >At 01:54 PM 4/27/98 EDT, MotorLE wrote: >>Well, I saw lots of you. I even saw the elusive Harry! > > It's true! It was great to meet Colleen finally and put a face to her >email address. She even had a great pair of leather pants for a friend of >mine. This week I'm going to add to her collection with some of the >surviving stuff off my (dearly departed) ZX-11. > By the way, although Bob's Open House was okay, it couldn't come close to >Battley's. Does anyone know when they are holding theirs? Last year that >had it all: custom bikes, live band, factory reps, tattoos, etc. > >Harry >Bethesda, MD >'97 BMW R1100RT >http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm >"The more you live, the less you die." > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 21:18:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22667; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06907; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20352 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-22.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.63]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA03786 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:18:49 -0400 Message-ID: <04ee01bd7243$b6652860$3810b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: A simple check Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:06:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >From another list -- Seemed to hit home in this spring season. "One bit of helmet safety that I haven't seen on this thread is the importance of inspecting your helmet before putting it on. I learned the hard way that when a helmet is left on the bike unmonitored little critters can enter looking for a home. I recently had a Yellow Jacket do just that and he (or she) waited until I had the helmet on and underway before buzzing about the inside of my visor. I always wear a full-face helmet but there is plenty of room for critters to enter when the helmet is off my head." -- PH, MSF Instructor (Hmmm. Drawn by the mating scent of earwax?) Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 22:07:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23159; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07113; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21127 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id FVKZa29777; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:05:30 +2000 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:05:30 EDT To: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Looking for a CBR F2/F3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 I cant read those files you send, but from the title sounds like I might have you covered. 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 22:20:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23320; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07225; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21339 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA07257 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980427222223.0069dde8@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 28 Apr 1998 02:20:21 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:22:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Americade Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Has anyone ever gone to the Americade rally? I'm heading up to New England in June with a friend of mine and we'll be in the vicinity. I found their website (http://www.tourexpo.com/main.htm ) which makes it look like a decent, multi-model event. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 23:24:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23979; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08745; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22316 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA04760 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35457603.69D6@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:24:03 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Towing? Trailer? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:29:51 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" > Dan... > Where is it at and where do you need to get it? > If you aren't 100s of miles away, I can seing by with my truck and give > you a lift after work sometime.... > I keep the ramp and tie downs in the back of the truck pretty much all > the time.. Collin, You're a gentleman, a scholar and a credit to your race and gender ;) Hope I never have to give ya' a ring JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 27 23:25:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23995; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08760; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22344 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA04817; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35457663.6422@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:25:57 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Bill Schmidt Subject: new speak (no moto content) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Bill Schmidt" --> major mofo snippage <-- Bill, thanks for the hilarious laughs. I laughed for five minutes straight. My wife enjoyed them too. Still chuckling, JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 28 07:41:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA28361; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA15721; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA27642 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04369 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA13606 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804281139.HAA13606@zydeco.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1.329 (Beta) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:39:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Towing? Trailer? In-Reply-To: <35457603.69D6@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:24 PM 4/27/98 -0700, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:29:51 -0400 >From: "Collin T. Fagan" > >> Dan... >> Where is it at and where do you need to get it? >> If you aren't 100s of miles away, I can seing by with my truck and give >> you a lift after work sometime.... >> I keep the ramp and tie downs in the back of the truck pretty much all >> the time.. > >Collin, > >You're a gentleman, a scholar and a credit to your race and gender ;) >Hope I never have to give ya' a ring > AYE!!! Many Many thanks to Collin and Family!! Also many thanks to Randy at the Midas shop at the Exxon station at Washington and Lee, who I'm pretty sure isn't reading this... He was gratious enough to let me park the bike in one of the bays over the weekend, until I could help to move it. He's an old Harley rider, though has pretty much given it up, due to having been in a serious accident a number of years ago. Was riding out 7 and got hit by a step van. Crushed his hip and destroyed a knee. He showed me some impressive scars, as well as banged on his, now nylon, knee cap. Basically said that there was nothing he could have done... the truck ran a redlight and plowed into him. He's happy to be alive, but riding has sorta lost that special something for him. Update on the bike... Got it to Coleman, with Collin's help. They diagnosed it to be the kickstand switch, just as I'd done. Not sure why the jumpering I did on Saturday wouldn't have worked as a hack fix, but, whatever. Should be ready later today, and I'll go pick it up tommorrow. Estimate wasn't to bad all considering. Unfortunately, due to circumstances such as needing a new set of rings (the engagement/wedding type) I'm thinking the FJ's going on the sales block this weekend. The helmet and other gear won't be getting sold, however. Not ready to hang that up, yet. Time to start planning for my next set of wheels! Later. Dan -- "Some things don't change. People die. Others get born to take their place. Storms cover the land with trouble. And then, always, the sun breaks through again." JPB http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/Topics/BarlowOnNeal.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 28 09:17:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29133; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16967; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29350 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yUAFi-0007Mr-00; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:16:55 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:14:45 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D61EB13@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Who Rode Today ? Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:16:06 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I'm forwarding this per Glenn Dysart's request: > > > > Let me start off by saying thanx everyone for a great ride on > Saturday!!!! We (or at least Curtis and I) racked up 450 miles! I > think we all had a blast on those great roads. I was a bit worried > when I showed up to the rest area to find EVERY bike twice the cc and > hp of my little bike! Thankfully though I led and they followed (most > of the time). The only time I had problems was when Craig and Zbig > decided to fly off the traffic lights. I felt like I was on a moped! > > > > I'm wondering though does WV even own a street cleaner? It really > sucked getting into the good turns on US 33 to only find gravel > everywhere. You could definitely tell the difference in road > conditions when we crossed into VA. > > > > As a bonus (after lunch), Steve took us up to Reddish Knob. If none > of you have ever been there it's worth the trip. Its about 30 minutes > south-west of Harrisonburg out VA 257. It 4398 feet above sea level > right on the WV - VA line. The last leg is a bit pot holeish though > so be prepared its about 2 miles of rough road. > > > > The only bad part of the day was that Curtis and Thomas couldn't > stay with us for the entire trip. > > > > One other thing, Craig mentioned at the end of the day he usually > doesn't ride so many straight roads. We're you kidding? If not, I > want to go on your roads! > > > > Just to reiterate we slabbed out I-66 to I-81 then jumped off on > VA/WV 55. We took 55 to Petersburg where we connected with WV 28. We > followed 28 to US 33 to Harrisonburg, and had lunch at the Boston > Beanery. From there we took VA 42 to VA 257 to Reddish Knob. After a > brief breather we followed our tracks back to Harrisonburg, picked up > 33 again over Skyline Drive and then on VA 230. Followed 230 to US 29 > to Marion where we picked up VA 231. We took VA 231 into Sperryville > where we picked up US 211 to US 522. We followed US 522 to VA ??? > which passes by the Marriott Ranch and through Hume and then ends into > VA 647. We took VA 647 back to I-66 and the split up. > > > > Glenn Dysart > > dysart@XXXXXX > > > > 84 V30 Magna > > > > I accompanied Glen Dysart, Steve Beck, Curtis Clement, Zbig Tyrlik, > and > > Craig Johnston on an excellent ride out to the Seneca Rocks loop (I > > believe). Regretably, I had to depart before completion of the > loop, so > > I'll leave the narration of the trip report to one of them. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 28 09:41:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29418; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17142; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29943 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 195; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:39:04 -0400 Message-ID: <3545DC5B.DF7D975F@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:40:43 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Clark E. Dorman" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: pre-party ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clark E. Dorman wrote: > >> As the party does not start til 5, are people interested in a pre-party > ride, possibly out to the SpringFest ? Sure, I'd love to. The wife will probably kill me when I got home. Oh well. Where's that party again? :-) (I'm joking. I've got *wayyyy* too much to get accomplished before the party starts. Of course things got really busy at work the last couple of weeks, too. It figures. Oh well, the party will provide some welcome stress relief. See you all there!) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 28 09:58:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29686; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17291; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from red.uspis.gov (known red-internet.uspis.gov [206.205.134.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00351 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA15598; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:07:28 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'horkster'" , "'Clark E. Dorman'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: pre-party ride Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:59:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where is spring feast? Curtis >-----Original Message----- >From: horkster [SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 9:41 AM >To: Clark E. Dorman >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: pre-party ride > >Clark E. Dorman wrote: >> >>> As the party does not start til 5, are people interested in a pre-party >> ride, possibly out to the SpringFest ? > >Sure, I'd love to. The wife will probably kill me when I >got home. Oh well. Where's that party again? :-) > > > >(I'm joking. I've got *wayyyy* too much to get accomplished >before the party starts. Of course things got really busy >at work the last couple of weeks, too. It figures. Oh well, >the party will provide some welcome stress relief. See you >all there!) > >-- > >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX > >1998 Kawasaki Concours >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 28 10:30:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00469; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18068; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gatekeeper.cder.fda.gov (known gatekeeper.cder.fda.gov [150.148.28.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01423 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bambi.cder.fda.gov by gatekeeper.cder.fda.gov; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/19Sep95-0726PM) id AA13608; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:29:43 -0400 Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-10 #21467) id <01IWEE91FLXS8ZNTPR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Mr-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:29:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: Ride route in the Deals Gap area To: DC Cycles Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: E1073IIX29NYD X400-Mts-Identifier: [;93920182408991/2573328@FDACD] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 This is the route we'll be following for the East Coast Hawk Rally. The route doesn't include Deals Gap but covers a lot of other great roads. The route can be seen at: http://members.nova.org/~kirk/echr/ride.htm I'll be doing a Street Atlas USA map of the route within a couple of days and posting it to the web page as well. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 28 10:47:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01031; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18509; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ferc2.ferc.fed.us (known ferc.fed.us [208.207.43.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02370 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ferc3.ferc.fed.us by ferc2.ferc.fed.us via smtpd (for MIMSY.cs.UMD.EDU [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 28 Apr 1998 14:37:17 UT Received: from ferc.fed.us by ferc.fed.us (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA05942; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:47:21 -0400 Received: from HQDOMAIN1-Message_Server by ferc.fed.us with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:47:54 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:47:32 -0400 From: Quentin Mise To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hello there Malcolm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Hello Malcolm, My name is Quentin Mise, and I am a professional road racer with some experience in training people to ride both on the street, and on the track. I am very confident that I can properly expose you to the major concerns and issues that you'll face with modern equipment, and modern traffic. My schedule is a little crazy due to my racing activities which require that I travel quite a bit, but I am interested in helping you for ten hours, for $400. The only problem is that I don't have a bike setup to teach you on right now, but I could have one prepared in a couple of weeks or so. I own a Suzuki GN125 street bike that doesn't run, but if you'd like me to make it run I will do that. Send me a reply and let me know if you are interested, and if you'd like to you can check me out at www.fastone.com in the 1997 champions photo gallery section. I'm looking forward to meeting you, and welcome back to motorcycling..-Quentin J. Mise From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 28 10:51:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01136; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18767; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02576 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-181.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.181]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA20677 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:57:55 -0400 Message-ID: <3545ECC5.9FB08A84@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:50:45 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Brian McCoy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry about the bandwidth. Brian, if you're still looking for a job, call me. We've got a helpdesk position open. Anyone else, too for that matter. Leon. Work (703) 902-5175 Home (703) 590-9073 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 28 10:54:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01181; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18886; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.itmassociates.com (known [207.154.22.7] [207.154.22.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02637 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itm04.itmassociates.com ([207.154.22.4]) by mail.itmassociates.com (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 852565F4.00520016; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:55:39 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980428145414.00751ad8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: us004937@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:54:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Space Subject: Web Cycle Search - Re: Looking for a CBR F2/F3 Just for further reference, I checked out www.allaboutcycles.com, it is just the Cycle Trader Online search in a smaller frame on that webpage. And it is the biggest I have found on the web so far. Later Rob Space 86 VF500 At 12:16 PM 4/27/98 -0400, you wrote: >Try: >www.motorcycleshopper.com (lots of new posts daily) >or >www.allaboutcycles.com (supposedly the biggest) > >Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > >> Hi guys! >> >> I know a guy that's looking for a late model CBR F2/F3 and has about $5 or >> 6 grand to spend. Know of anybody that's selling one or where he could >> look other than the Wash Post and Classified 2000? > >-- >Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 28 12:07:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02272; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20727; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04681 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA08736; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:06:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA14082; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:06:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980428160632.FDWA8893@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:06:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Robert Space CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Web Cycle Search - Re: Looking for a CBR F2/F3 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980428160632.FDWA8893@[166.41.242.141]> I just used the Cycle Trader online to place an ad for my shadow. 1983 Honda VT500C Shadow, Black Honda Shadow. Clean. New back tire, battery. Runs well. 40k reliable miles. Excellent Starter bike., $950.00, (703) 644-2695 If someone here sells this bike for what I want, I'll give you $50. Todd Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980428145414.00751ad8@pop.mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:54:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Space Subject: Web Cycle Search - Re: Looking for a CBR F2/F3 Just for further reference, I checked out www.allaboutcycles.com, it is just the Cycle Trader Online search in a smaller frame on that webpage. And it is the biggest I have found on the web so far. Later Rob Space 86 VF500 At 12:16 PM 4/27/98 -0400, you wrote: >Try: >www.motorcycleshopper.com (lots of new posts daily) >or >www.allaboutcycles.com (supposedly the biggest) > >Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > >> Hi guys! >> >> I know a guy that's looking for a late model CBR F2/F3 and has about $5 or >> 6 grand to spend. Know of anybody that's selling one or where he could >> look other than the Wash Post and Classified 2000? > >-- >Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 28 17:49:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08664; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28332; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15146 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id RAA24754 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA19612 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980428214743.HALW2485@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:47:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: NESTOC Event X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980428214743.HALW2485@[166.41.242.141]> Anyone interested in travelling to Lake Placid, NY for a weekend? http://ernie.bgsu.edu/~norton/nestoc98/ The Northeast STOC (ST Owners Club) is June 12-14. Right now, I'm tentative as the distance is roughly 500 miles (Friday all day, and then Sunday all day back), and I've got huge miles to ride beginning the following weekend (to Taos, NM). If anyone would like to go to this event, it will inspire me. I hear Lake Placid is beautiful, and so I might just go alone. We'll see. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 28 17:51:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08689; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28378; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil (known oasys.dt.navy.mil [130.46.1.53]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15194 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA02767; Tue, 28 Apr 98 17:50:26 EDT Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 1.22); 28 Apr 98 14:51:15 -0800 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 1.23); 28 Apr 98 14:51:07 -0800 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:50:11 +0000 Subject: Re: Americade Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980427222223.0069dde8@pop.mindspring.com> Message-Id: <808794A830AE@bayview.dt.navy.mil> > Has anyone ever gone to the Americade rally? It's just about the best rally ever and certainly the biggest. It is an organized rally, not a "happening" like Sturgis or Daytona. Lot's of activities, very few rowdies, very well run, and lots of fun. Bruce Dimon, Senior Programmer/Analyst Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Work: dimon@XXXXXX Home: Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! A&T Engineering Technologies, VECTOR Research Divison Voice: 208-683-2080, Fax: 208-683-2036 Computer Lab: 208-683-2321 X4410 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 28 18:22:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09071; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28744; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15854 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (pool-207-205-217-163.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.217.163]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15469; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980428182423.006a1978@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:24:23 -0400 To: Todd Peer From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: NESTOC Event Cc: dc-cycles In-Reply-To: <19980428214743.HALW2485@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:44 PM 4/28/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > >Anyone interested in travelling to Lake Placid, NY for a weekend? Todd, I'm heading there during the week of June 1 as part of loop through New England. We'll be stopping at the Americade rally in Lake George, NY, and climbing Mt. Washington, just to name a few highlights. I've heard great things about Lake Placid. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 28 21:14:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA11390; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01704; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19320 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id JRENa25760; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:11:50 +2000 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:11:50 EDT To: semara@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: CBR Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 FOR SALE: 93 CBR 600 F2 22k miles Limited paint scheme - White/blue/red White wheels Fender Eliminator kit Matching helmet 3500 obo I am selling to help finance a car (I know, I know) I already have someone who has been approved fora loan, but he wont be able to get it until next tuesday, so if for some reason he cant do it, I'll let everyone who is interested know. Sean P. Ride Free! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 28 22:00:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11953; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01957; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20002 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.46] (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:58:24 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Web Cycle Search - Re: Looking for a CBR F2/F3 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 22:01:16 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >1983 Honda VT500C Shadow, Black Honda Shadow. Clean. > New back tire, battery. Runs well. 40k reliable miles. Excellent > Starter bike., $950.00, (703) 644-2695 > >If someone here sells this bike for what I want, I'll give you $50. If we buy it, do we get $50 off? ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 28 22:00:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11955; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01958; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20004 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.46] (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:58:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: 1982 GL1100I Outfit Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 22:01:13 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Gold Wing Discussion List" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Might have found a way to kill three birds with one stone today. Was going to the post office distribution center to pick up a package for SWMBO. Saw a 1982 Interstate with sidecar. Stopped, looked, drooled, got number and left. In a nutshell... Looks like the previous owner made Markland and/or JC Whitney very rich. All sorts of Markland stuff, and tons of lights out of the Whitney catalog. Black with gold striping. Hack was in nice shape (couldn't identify it) except the zippers were pulling out of the fabric on the tonneau cover. $9000 was the original asking price (yeah, right. I could find a GL1200, and buy a new chair for that much) but the guy said $5000 cash would make it a done deal. Passes MD inspection. $5000 a fair price? Cosmetically, the bike is the best 1100 I've seen. (At least until I finish working on mine) In person, that is:) Any caveats what with this thing having a hack? Oh, the three birds killed: Father gets a touring bike. Mother gets a bigger pillion than on a BMW F650 I get an outfit. But, father is afraid that if mother lets him get this, she won't let him trade to a BMW K12LT or Honda GL1500SE next year. Valid concern, but I think he oughta get an older, less expensive dresser before investing in what would be a seriously expensive bike. AMF, ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 28 22:25:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA12203; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02124; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.crosslink.net (known hermes.crosslink.net [206.246.124.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20399 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12233 invoked from network); 29 Apr 1998 02:24:50 -0000 Received: from surf146.wch.adelphia.net (HELO gary) (24.48.14.146) by hermes.crosslink.net with SMTP; 29 Apr 1998 02:24:50 -0000 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Anyone else have dealings with Zero-Gravity? Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:21:40 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd7315$8b373340$920e3018@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I like to give credit where credit is due. I needed a new windscreen for my '85 FJ1100. I contacted Zero-Gravity, as I had seen one of theirs on an FJ, and liked the lower cut. They were EXTREMELY helpful. They even cut a special model for me not in their catalog. There usual charge is $25 for something not standard, but they only charged me an extra $10. The quality was excellent, and I received it in less than two weeks. It is nice and thick like the stock, and looks to be very durable. Optics are also great. You can see my new creation at: http://www.fj1100.com/pages/motorcyc.htm Caution...lots of graphics! If you need a new screen...give them a try. http://www.zerogravity-racing.com/ Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: gforeman@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.fj1100.com A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR Judgement to AVOID the situations which might require the use of his SUPERIOR Skills. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 00:08:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13532; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03474; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22082 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr42-dialup52.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0ES500E70Q4EHC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 04:07:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:52:51 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Question To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <010101bd729e$3954cd20$744d37a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_6WLIiDKDWqTzZtuhxZhFIw)" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_6WLIiDKDWqTzZtuhxZhFIw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT My computer knowledge is pitifully limited. 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--Boundary_(ID_6WLIiDKDWqTzZtuhxZhFIw)-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 07:48:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA18307; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA08987; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA27701 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA09002 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 04:48:27 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 04:48:27 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'George Howell'" , "'Gold Wing Discussion List'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: 1982 GL1100I Outfit Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 04:50:28 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 14 TEXT >But, father is afraid that if mother lets him get this, she won't let him >trade to a BMW K12LT or Honda GL1500SE next year. Valid concern, but I >think he oughta get an older, less expensive dresser before investing in >what would be a seriously expensive bike. Yes, indeedy, it is a valid concern... NEVER settle, if you have the option. It's usually easier to get forgiveness than permission Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 08:11:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18534; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09242; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27986 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA10095 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:11:12 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:11:12 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: twists of language Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:13:15 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 14 TEXT >From a "Motorcycle Online" (http://www.motorcycle.com) article on motorcycle safety in Australia: "Craige welcomed the Monash University Accident Research Centre (MUARC) report that identified a wide range of factors involved in serious crashes, including alcohol consumption, unlicensed driving and pillion carriage" How many of YOU have practiced "pillion carriage"? 'Fess up, now... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 08:17:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18585; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09417; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28024 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:17:46 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:16:04 -0500 Received: from WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL [160.151.107.198] by dclink.com with smtp id AIAPDJBE ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:15:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: "Baltimore Cycles List" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Looking for a Cheap Bike! Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:25:30 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd7369$e6146ae0$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 My bro is looking for a cheap beach boy special. It doesn't have to be in great shape. He only has about $500 to spend on it. Does anyone have one laying around? Jay http://www.dclink.com/jaynik/index.htm Bodybuilding: The Right Way! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 09:28:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19296; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10911; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.120.96.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29169 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:26:17 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 29 Apr 1998 09:26:16 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 29 Apr 1998 09:26:16 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 0204A35472A78010-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 0204A35472A78010 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <0204A35472A78010*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 29 Apr 1998 09:26:16 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC Cycles (IPM Return requested) Subject: How safe is MD? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0204A35472A78010*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> I've just recently moved down to MD (Calverton/Silver Spring) and will be bringing my F3 down sometime in the next week or two. Unfortunately, I've moved to a townhouse that doesn't have a garage. I have heard that bike theft can be a big problem in this area, can anyone who has a similar situation offer any advise to me for locks, alarms, guard dogs or anything else (short of moving to a new house) that will help keep my parking space from being vacant when I wake up in the morning? Thanks, Don Burger 1996 CBR F3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 09:45:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19596; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11058; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29669 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yUXAN-0000om-00; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:44:55 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:42:41 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D61EB33@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles Subject: Considerate Cagers(?) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:43:56 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Wow, it does happen. Two, count 'em, TWO cagers moved out of my way as I was cruising down the HOV lane this morning on 66. They moved over, then when I passed them, got behind me. WOW!! I was so shocked. Very nice ride in today... Sad to say, it only took me 10 more minutes to ride all the way in from Manassas than it takes me to ride from Arlington to DC in the morning. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 09:50:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19633; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11123; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29756 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AFDC27057C; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:49:16 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980429094739.00f239d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:47:39 -0400 To: "'DC Cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: 1982 GL1100I Outfit In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:50 AM 4/29/98 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote: >>But, father is afraid that if mother lets him get this, she won't let him >>trade to a BMW K12LT or Honda GL1500SE next year. Valid concern, but I >>think he oughta get an older, less expensive dresser before investing in >>what would be a seriously expensive bike. > >Yes, indeedy, it is a valid concern... > >NEVER settle, if you have the option. > >It's usually easier to get forgiveness than permission Are you married? Just curious. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 09:50:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19638; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11126; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29759 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AFDD27057C; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:49:17 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980429094828.00f29890@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:48:28 -0400 To: "'DC-Cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: twists of language In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:13 AM 4/29/98 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote: >>From a "Motorcycle Online" (http://www.motorcycle.com) article on >motorcycle safety in Australia: > >"Craige welcomed the Monash University Accident Research Centre (MUARC) >report that identified a wide range of factors involved in serious >crashes, including alcohol consumption, unlicensed driving and pillion >carriage" > >How many of YOU have practiced "pillion carriage"? Is that the long form of "pillage"? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 09:56:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19756; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11297; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00015 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:56:16 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:54:34 -0500 Received: from WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL [160.151.107.198] by dclink.com with smtp id AJDGBLAN ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:54:28 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: How safe is MD? Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:03:55 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd7377$a5cb2ba0$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 The only advice I can give you is to get a Kryptonite EV and full coverage insurance. There is a possibility that it will be stolen. If they wanna take it, they will. Good luck! Jay -----Original Message----- >From: @ <@> To: Jaynik Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 10:46 AM Subject: How safe is MD? > >I've just recently moved down to MD (Calverton/Silver Spring) and will be >bringing my F3 down sometime in the next week or two. Unfortunately, >I've moved to a townhouse that doesn't have a garage. I have heard that >bike theft can be a big problem in this area, can anyone who has a >similar situation offer any advise to me for locks, alarms, guard dogs or >anything else (short of moving to a new house) that will help keep my >parking space from being vacant when I wake up in the morning? Thanks, > >Don Burger >1996 CBR F3 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 09:58:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19840; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11331; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00162 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA18191; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:58:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA01420; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:58:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980429135810.RRT10983@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:58:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles , "Roy D. Turner" Subject: SportFest '98 to Spring Fling - >>>> Directions <<<< X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980429135810.RRT10983@[166.41.242.141]> Directions to the Safeway in Potomac: - From NO. VA. - 495 North to exit 39/River Road (~2miles from Cabin John Bridge) heading West to Potomac - Travel ~3 miles to the intersection of Great Falls Road/189 - Safeway is on your left just before 189 - From Points North (MD) - 495 Southe to exit 39/River Road (~2miles from I270) heading West to Potomac - Travel ~3 miles to the intersection of Great Falls Road/189 - Safeway is on your left just before 189 Get Street Atlas v5.0! There are less boring ways to get to the Safeway, but I'm not going into that here. If anyone wants to meet me in Springfield at around 8:15am, let me know. Todd Roy wrote: >Where and when do you plan to meet? (Directions would be appreciated) Roy >D. Turner, Esq. =============== ---------- > From: Todd Peer > To: dc-cycles > Subject: SportFest '98 to Spring Fling > Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 3:00 PM > > > What: SportFest 1998 > Host: Harley Davidson & Buell of Fredrick - 301-694-8177 > Where: 5722 Urbana Pike, Frederick, Md > When: May 2, 1998 - Starts at 9am > > Demos: BMW, Buell, Ducati, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and Triumph (what? > no Harley Davidsons!). > > Events: A BattleTrax event is scheduled as well. Seminars by Dyno-Jet, HyperPro > and the Mid-Atlantic Road Racing Club (MARRC) > > Getting There: > > Ok, it's been awhile since I've led a ride, so I'll volunteer > to lead this one. Let's meet at or before 9am at the Safeway on the > corner of River Road (190) and Great Falls Rd (189). We will > depart the Safeway parking lot at 9am heading down River Rd. > I'll work up a ride sheet using Street Atlas V5. > > If more than 10 bikes show up for the ride (even 11), I want > to split the group up into two. The riders involved in the ride > up to Harpers Ferry will appreciate this decision ;-) If this > happens, not to worry. > > I can't imagine we'd be in Frederick, MD the entire day but > it would be a good ride down to Dale and Tracys' for the Spring > Fling. I'll probably try to get home first to 'freshen-up'. > Still haven't figured out what to bring yet :p > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 09:58:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19844; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11335; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00172 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA18229; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:58:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA07061; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980429135811.RRZ10983@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:58:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Web Cycle Search - Re: Looking for a CBR F2/F3 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980429135811.RRZ10983@[166.41.242.141]> Deal. I'll take a certified check made to me, or cash. It's gonna look great next to your interstate George ;) George Howell wrote: >>1983 Honda VT500C Shadow, Black Honda Shadow. Clean. >> New back tire, battery. Runs well. 40k reliable miles. Excellent >> Starter bike., $950.00, (703) 644-2695 >> >>If someone here sells this bike for what I want, I'll give you $50. > >If we buy it, do we get $50 off? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 10:15:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20259; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11643; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00763 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA19479 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:15:28 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:15:28 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Considerate Cagers(?) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:17:30 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 15 TEXT >Wow, it does happen. Two, count 'em, TWO cagers moved out of my way as I was cruising down the HOV lane this morning on 66 It has been known to happen I usually give them a 5-fingered (4 fingers and a thumb, for the picky ones) "thank you" wave, reserving the usual one that uses fewer fingers for the a--holes* Michael J. * - a--hole is defined as anyone who refuses to accede to my right of eminent domain over the roadway or otherwise annoys me. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 10:20:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20341; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11711; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (known dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00920 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-219-211.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.219.211]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA23652; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980429102013.00690190@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:20:13 -0400 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: Considerate Cagers(?) In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D61EB33@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wow... you got lucky.... traffic must have been good this morning! -Tom '86 VFR750 At 09:43 AM 4/29/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Wow, it does happen. Two, count 'em, TWO cagers moved out of my way as >I was cruising down the HOV lane this morning on 66. They moved over, >then when I passed them, got behind me. WOW!! I was so shocked. >Very nice ride in today... >Sad to say, it only took me 10 more minutes to ride all the way in from >Manassas than it takes me to ride from Arlington to DC in the morning. > >- Jeannette > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 10:26:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20445; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11793; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (known dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01214 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-219-211.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.219.211]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13963; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980429102558.00690db8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:25:58 -0400 To: "Burger, Donald " , DC Cycles (IPM Return requested) From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: How safe is MD? In-Reply-To: <0204A35472A78010*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s= Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I can rent out my PitBull for a nominal fee... but seriously... I would invest in a good Kryptonite New York chain and disc locks...if you have a patio keep it there and install an eyebolt in the concrete and secure the bike to it. If a professional is looking to take it they will just pick the bike up and take it. -Tom '86 VFR750 At 09:26 AM 4/29/98 -0400, Burger, Donald wrote: >I've just recently moved down to MD (Calverton/Silver Spring) and will be >bringing my F3 down sometime in the next week or two. Unfortunately, >I've moved to a townhouse that doesn't have a garage. I have heard that >bike theft can be a big problem in this area, can anyone who has a >similar situation offer any advise to me for locks, alarms, guard dogs or >anything else (short of moving to a new house) that will help keep my >parking space from being vacant when I wake up in the morning? Thanks, > >Don Burger >1996 CBR F3 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 10:40:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20629; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12006; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01554 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA08859; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980429104135.006a4894@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 29 Apr 1998 14:39:33 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:41:35 -0400 To: "Thomas W. Zell" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: How safe is MD? Cc: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980429102558.00690db8@pop.mindspring.com> References: <0204A35472A78010*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s= Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >At 09:26 AM 4/29/98 -0400, Burger, Donald wrote: > any advise that will help keep my >parking space from being vacant when I wake up in the morning? Don, Welcome to MD. From someone who had his ZX-11 abducted, the best thing to remember is don't love anything that can't love you back. Keep it locked, covered, and fully insured. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 11:06:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21217; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12779; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02702 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA22292 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:58:45 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:05:07 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:06:25 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Considerate Cagers(?) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Careful, Jeanette. They could be trying to lull you into complacency in preparation for a future attack. Joe '86 900 Ninja From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 11:09:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21258; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12930; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02792 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yUYTe-00020T-00; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:08:54 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:06:40 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D61EB3E@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'JOE NAGY'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Considerate Cagers(?) -Reply Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:07:54 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hmmm. I knew there was a diabolical plan in there somewhere! - Jeannette VF 500 Interceptor > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 11:06 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; jlobrien@XXXXXX; mike@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Considerate Cagers(?) -Reply > > Careful, Jeanette. They could be trying to lull you into complacency > in > preparation for a future attack. > Joe > '86 900 Ninja From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 11:22:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21712; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13689; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03455 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA05813; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:29:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:29:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Burger, Donald " cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: How safe is MD? In-Reply-To: <0204A35472A78010*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It depends on what part of MD you're in. Where are you? On 29 Apr 1998, Burger, Donald wrote: > I've just recently moved down to MD (Calverton/Silver Spring) and will be > bringing my F3 down sometime in the next week or two. Unfortunately, > I've moved to a townhouse that doesn't have a garage. I have heard that > bike theft can be a big problem in this area, can anyone who has a > similar situation offer any advise to me for locks, alarms, guard dogs or > anything else (short of moving to a new house) that will help keep my > parking space from being vacant when I wake up in the morning? Thanks, > > Don Burger > 1996 CBR F3 > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 11:22:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21718; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13704; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03462 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA05462; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:29:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:29:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Considerate Cagers(?)...not In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D61EB33@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Last night I had my first close call in a while. I wasn't paying attention to my rear view mirrors when I stopped at a stop sign. A few seconds lately, I hear SSSSQQQUUUEEEEEELLLLLL. I look behind me to see a car having just stopped in time. I needed to take a few seconds after that before I continued on. On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Wow, it does happen. Two, count 'em, TWO cagers moved out of my way as > I was cruising down the HOV lane this morning on 66. They moved over, > then when I passed them, got behind me. WOW!! I was so shocked. > Very nice ride in today... > Sad to say, it only took me 10 more minutes to ride all the way in from > Manassas than it takes me to ride from Arlington to DC in the morning. > > - Jeannette > > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 11:29:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21852; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14133; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03747 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:19:30 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:19:05 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How safe is MD? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: How safe is MD? Don, Keep the bike locked and, perhaps most importantly, out of sight. This means backyard if you can, or at least a cover. I spray painted my cover with graffiti to identify it and make both the bike and cover look less appealing, because covers can also be stolen. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've just recently moved down to MD (Calverton/Silver Spring) and will be bringing my F3 down sometime in the next week or two. Don Burger 1996 CBR F3 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 11:52:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22465; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15221; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known welchlink.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04776 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA14704; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980429115408.006a073c@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 29 Apr 1998 15:52:06 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:54:08 -0400 To: Morris Berman From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Considerate Cagers(?)...not Cc: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles In-Reply-To: References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D61EB33@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:29 AM 4/29/98 -0400, Morris Berman wrote: > I look behind me to see a car having just stopped in time. Morris, A similar experience led me to rewire my turn signals as running lights and to get Hyperlites, banks of bright LEDs which flash annoyingly with the brakelight. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 12:02:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22607; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15508; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05108 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:02:27 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.75.241]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA16854; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:01:09 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980429120014.006c49d8@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:00:14 -0400 To: "Burger, Donald " , DC Cycles (IPM Return requested) Subject: Re: How safe is MD? In-Reply-To: <0204A35472A78010*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s= Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Don-- I've seen some portable garage things.... Some look like a trailer, and may be, with optional wheels installed.... One has tubes in the floor that you fill with water after you put it in place. You then have a 1000 lb lockable shed. Drain out the water (accessible from inside only) and 4 guys can easily carry it around. MCN had a coupe of articles about these things. Does your townhouse have an exposed basement? You can park the bike there, or put it in a tool shed in the back yard. I am in the market for a home soon, and I won't risk having the VFR anywhere less secure than a sturdy shed in the yard. I'd prefer a basement if I couldn't have a garage. No parking lots. Good luck Kevin At 09:26 AM 4/29/98 -0400, Burger, Donald wrote: >I've just recently moved down to MD (Calverton/Silver Spring) and will be >bringing my F3 down sometime in the next week or two. Unfortunately, >I've moved to a townhouse that doesn't have a garage. I have heard that >bike theft can be a big problem in this area, can anyone who has a >similar situation offer any advise to me for locks, alarms, guard dogs or >anything else (short of moving to a new house) that will help keep my >parking space from being vacant when I wake up in the morning? Thanks, > >Don Burger >1996 CBR F3 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 12:06:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22726; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15565; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtolympus.ari.net (known mtolympus.ari.net [198.69.192.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05250 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA07168; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:02:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: Jay cc: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: How safe is MD? In-Reply-To: <01bd7377$a5cb2ba0$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Jay wrote: > The only advice I can give you is to get a Kryptonite EV and full coverage > insurance. There is a possibility that it will be stolen. If they wanna > take it, they will. Good luck! > > Jay I'd suggest that you keep a cover on it, preferably an old ratty-looking one. And if you have something close-by you can lock it up to, like a sign post, you might want to get something like the Barb Wire (the thicker one) or New York Chain, either of which also requires a separate lock, like the Krypto EV. Brian. bee@XXXXXX '96 VFR750F > -----Original Message----- > From: @ <@> > To: Jaynik > Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 10:46 AM > Subject: How safe is MD? > > > > > >I've just recently moved down to MD (Calverton/Silver Spring) and will be > >bringing my F3 down sometime in the next week or two. Unfortunately, > >I've moved to a townhouse that doesn't have a garage. I have heard that > >bike theft can be a big problem in this area, can anyone who has a > >similar situation offer any advise to me for locks, alarms, guard dogs or > >anything else (short of moving to a new house) that will help keep my > >parking space from being vacant when I wake up in the morning? Thanks, > > > >Don Burger > >1996 CBR F3 > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 12:28:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23078; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15945; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06016 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11846; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:27:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: klthomas@XXXXXX cc: "Burger, Donald " , DC Cycles Subject: Re: How safe is MD? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980429120014.006c49d8@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: > I've seen some portable garage things.... Some look like a trailer, and > may be, with optional wheels installed.... One has tubes in the floor that > you fill with water after you put it in place. You then have a 1000 lb > lockable shed. Drain out the water (accessible from inside only) and 4 > guys can easily carry it around. MCN had a coupe of articles about these > things. Does your townhouse have an exposed basement? You can park the > bike there, or put it in a tool shed in the back yard. I've got a bike shed in my driveway. We built it at my brother's house and when he sold his bike he let me have the shed. The two of us put it on a pickup truck and drove it to College Park from Upper Marlboro. If anyone wants to check it out just let me know. Or, if you'd like a real description I'll send that to you as well. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 12:33:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23132; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15980; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06154 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA13424 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA20284 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:32:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980429163221.BSXR10983@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:32:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: For Sale/camping X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980429163221.BSXR10983@[166.41.242.141]> For you Biker/Campers out there, I have a couple of items for sale: Eastern Mountain Sports (EMS) Mummy +20 down sleeping bag: $120.00 Barely used, but has some rip-stop patching due to my stupidity with a wax candle lantern :( This is a very nice bag, but I've outgrown it. It packs down into it's own stuff sack that measures 6"X10"(!), and comes with a sinching pillow case (fits the sack) to store it in. Comparable REI price: $170.00 Thermo-Rest Staytek (Original) self inflating air-mattress: $40.00 If you're unfamiliar with the Thermo-Rest, it is an air mattress that is easily collapsed and rolled. It contains foam-filamant material that expands when you roll it out and open the air pass. comes with stuff sack. 72"x20"x1.5" when inflated, 21"x5" rolled up. Comparable REI price: $57. If you buy both, I'll sell for $140.00. Keep in mind that these two items pack down very well and should be very simple to locate on your bike for camping and riding. Todd H 703.644.2695 W 703.341.4470 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 12:49:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23457; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16297; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com (known ngedns.northgrum.com [192.86.71.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06862 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgny003.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.161]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA02116; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGNY003 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:48:37 -0400 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA34640135C832@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'Suzuki List'" Subject: See Ya ... Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:48:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain ... for a few days! I am moving on to a new job, and will be unsubscribing. Once I get settled in there, and have my new e-mail address, I will be back. Take Care and Ride Safe, chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 13:08:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24278; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16582; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07853 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id KAA28438; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id KAA16324; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA02195; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:08:10 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA02192; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:08:09 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD7356.B2B61120@XXXXXX>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:08:03 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Directions to HD/Buell of Frederick aka Sportfest '98 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:03:27 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 11 TEXT, 45 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 For those that are going but taking the less scenic route: Directions to HD/Buell of Frederick aka Sportfest '98 Address: 5722 Urbana Pike Phone: 301-694-8177 Take 270 to exit 31A Turn Right onto Grove Road Right onto 355 South Dealership is immediately on the right begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(@01`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`06 `P`.````S@<$`!T` M"@`#`!L``P`A`0$@@ ,`#@```,X'! `=``H`" `#``,`#@$!"8 !`"$````U M1C$S.#,Y-$4S1#E$,3$Q03%"13 P.# U1D,Q1$-&0@!"!P$-@ 0``@````(` M`@`!!( !`#8```!$:7)E8W1I;VYS('1O($A$+T)U96QL(&]F($9R961E``B "" &``````# ```` M````1@`````VA0```0````$`````````'@`)@ @@!@``````P ```````$8` M````-X4```$````!`````````!X`"H (( 8``````, ```````!&`````#B% M```!`````0`````````#``80D"F5J@,`!Q#=````'@`($ $```!E````1D]2 M5$A/4T542$%405)%1T])3D="551404M)3D=42$5,15-34T-%3DE#4D]55$4Z M1$E214-424].4U1/2$0O0E5%3$Q/1D92141%4DE#2T%+05-03U)41D535#DX M041$4D534P`````#`! 0``````,`$1 ``````@$)$ $```"N`0``J@$``!X" M``!,6D9U&]>:DP,`"@!R8W!G,3(U=C(`] 'W( *D!&0"`'!$ 9V'-`H!]"H (R" ["6\.(&8X`H * M@75C`% +`VY";P/P9&-T; JQ7'!H>7!H"K$!0 M@;I$.$# S,PNF($8%L=AT M:&\0X!FA805 "L )&?!G;PN 9R!B=;L%0 &0:QK"&; 9\&P'D&\$( 3P"? - MX" #8!L092>Q&Z,% M$">!OPC0$B(2,B) '104`0`NT ``"P`"``$````>`' ``0```#8```!$:7)E M8W1I;VYS('1O($A$+T)U96QL(&]F($9R961E`#T``0````$`````````"P`I```````+`",```````(!?P`!```` M4 ```#QC/553)6$]051434%)3"5P/4%45"5L/4A114Y'7TU31S R+3DX,#0R I.3$W,#,R-UHM-3; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:44:27 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 29 Apr 1998 13:44:25 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 29 Apr 1998 13:44:25 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 07315354766F9004-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 07315354766F9004 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <07315354766F9004*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 29 Apr 1998 13:44:25 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC Cycles (IPM Return requested) Subject: MD and my bike MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <07315354766F9004*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> And I thought New Jersey was bad. Up there I could leave my bike out in front of my house as long as I wanted without a fear of it being stolen. Maybe I was just naive and lucky. Unfortunately, here I can't get the bike into the back yard because of a really steep hill (and a 90 degree turn onto my patio) with woods at the bottom. I don't think I would get very good traction going down hill on the grass and I would sure hate to find out by having to pull the bike out of the woods. I guess I'll have to go with the cover and lock. Hopefully my complex won't mind the holes I drill into the curb that I use to mount a chain anchor. Thanks for the good advice - Don B 96 Honda F3 (soon to be in MD) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 13:59:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25789; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17316; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10070 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA14893 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980429140141.006a16f4@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 29 Apr 1998 17:59:38 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:01:41 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: New stuff at MLE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Folks, I was so delighted with Colleen's service at Motorcycle Leather Exchange that I brought some nice stuff to her to add to her inventory: - Tour Rider saddlebags (from my ZX-11) - Eclipse Sportpack expandable tankbag (also from the ZX) - Fieldsheer "Autobahn" one piece ballistic riding suit with removable fleece liner (sort of an Aerostich knockoff) Everything is in great condition. I'd be happy to tell anyone the specifics and history on the pieces. Contact Colleen to buy the things (motorle@XXXXXX). She's sweet, knowledgeable, and lives up to her reputation of good business practices. Plus she's on the list so we ought to support her! Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 16:45:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00684; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18917; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18556 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p178.smart.net [206.97.127.178]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14371; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:43:56 -0400 Message-ID: <35478FC5.BCED5335@smart.net> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:38:31 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Burger, Donald " CC: "DC Cycles (IPM Return requested)" Subject: Re: How safe is MD? References: <0204A35472A78010*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One suggestion other than locks and cover is to park the bike at the top end of a parking spot and park your car (if you have one) up to the bike, sandwiching it against the curb. That way, a thief will really have to work hard to get to your bike (provided cars park on both sides of yours). The shed idea sounds great, but most townhouse neighborhoods won't allow structures like that out in the parking area, or in your yard. Check your neighborhood covenant. Another option is to do what I do......pray. Seems to have worked so far. Burger, Donald wrote: > I've just recently moved down to MD (Calverton/Silver Spring) and will be > bringing my F3 down sometime in the next week or two. Unfortunately, > I've moved to a townhouse that doesn't have a garage. I have heard that > bike theft can be a big problem in this area, can anyone who has a > similar situation offer any advise to me for locks, alarms, guard dogs or > anything else (short of moving to a new house) that will help keep my > parking space from being vacant when I wake up in the morning? Thanks, -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 29 16:51:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00818; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19042; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18838 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:51:48 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.76.96]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA14925; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:51:17 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980429165022.006cfa2c@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:50:22 -0400 To: "Burger, Donald " Subject: Re: MD and my bike Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <07315354766F9004*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s= Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Don-- Well, I don't think you're more likely to get it stolen here than in NJ. In fact, I'd bet the opposite is true. Your bike is likely one of the most likely models to be stolen, tho, because it's one of the most popular bikes. So there's more people who want to buy stolen parts. You've been lucky so far. I expect only a few of the 150 of us on the list have had a bike stolen, but I'm one of the few. Those of us who've had ours stolen are the ones you'll be hearing from the most on this question. My point is, chances are it'll never be stolen in Calverton/Silver Spring, same as it wasn't stolen in Jersey, but it'll sure suck if I'm wrong.... good luck Kevin At 01:44 PM 4/29/98 -0400, you wrote: >And I thought New Jersey was bad. Up there I could leave my bike out in >front of my house as long as I wanted without a fear of it being stolen. > Maybe I was just naive and lucky. > >Unfortunately, here I can't get the bike into the back yard because of a >really steep hill (and a 90 degree turn onto my patio) with woods at the >bottom. I don't think I would get very good traction going down hill on >the grass and I would sure hate to find out by having to pull the bike >out of the woods. > >I guess I'll have to go with the cover and lock. Hopefully my complex >won't mind the holes I drill into the curb that I use to mount a chain >anchor. > >Thanks for the good advice - > >Don B >96 Honda F3 (soon to be in MD) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 00:31:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06878; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24703; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28007 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-1.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.42]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA31217 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:30:56 -0400 Message-ID: <011901bd73f0$e06802a0$2b10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: BW Pkwy/Whitbread Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:31:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Just had to comment on a couple of recent trips to Baltimore on the BW Pkwy -- each an exercise in forced vigilence. Not a first time, but reminded what a beautiful, laid back, stretch of road: few trucks, nice accesses, thought I heard piped-in slow jazz a couple of times. Anybody remember those Marfak ads with the car on the magic carpet. Couldn't believe the timing, coming back, of the STAY ALERT temporary flash sign a little prior to Rte 50. Put my mind back on traffic. Visited the Whitbread boats in Balmor. Think of riding a Vespa coast-to-coast. Then of sailing one of these little 60' boats AROUND THE WORLD. Wild imaginations and discipline mastering the environment. (How many are MC'ers?) Some great deckshot video at several booths. Touched a couple of the boats! Wow. (They'll be in Annapolis late tomorrow 'til the restart for Europe on the 3rd.) Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 00:44:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06959; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24781; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28149 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.30] (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:43:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How safe is MD? Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 00:45:54 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Thomas H. Gimer" , "Burger, Donald " cc: "DC Cycles (IPM Return requested)" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >One suggestion other than locks and cover is to park the bike at the top end >of a parking spot and park your car (if you have one) up to the bike, >sandwiching it against the curb. That way, a thief will really have to work >hard to get to your bike (provided cars park on both sides of yours). That's what I do in my complex. Not only do I get a little extra security, but I also always have a reserved parking space! I'm sure the neighbors are peeved:) Only trick is that some bikes can be hard to manuever between the parked cars and the curb. I can always manage on the BMW (barely) but when I use the Wing for a few days, I typically have to move the cage out first. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 00:45:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06963; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24787; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28157 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.30] (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:43:35 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Considerate Cagers(?)...not Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 00:46:28 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." cc: "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > A similar experience led me to rewire my turn signals as running lights >and to get Hyperlites, banks of bright LEDs which flash annoyingly with the >brakelight. Sounds like what I did. I also wired up the front turn signals as running lights. Also put in a 85/110 watt headlight. Works really well for getting cagers out of your way. And when they flassh their high beams... I love the reaction when I trigger the high beams:) Actually, my visibility is greatly helped during the daytime, but it is more than a bit rude at night, so I'll probably put the old bulb back in until I can find one of those 55/110 bulbs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 00:45:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06967; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24793; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28163 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.30] (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:43:43 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Web Cycle Search - Re: Looking for a CBR F2/F3 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 00:46:39 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Deal. I'll take a certified check made to me, or cash. It's gonna >look great next to your interstate George ;) Anything would look great next to my interstate:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 01:25:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA07305; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25053; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28885 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id 1GPZa00148 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:24:17 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:24:17 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: coil problem Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 63 I've had an intermittent problem the past year or two. Everyone loves diagnosing these right? Anyhow, I've finally concluded that it is in the one of the coils or the connections thereto. I plan to clean up the connections first off. Is it possible to test the coil though? Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 03:28:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA08485; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA25621; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA00874 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA09326; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:23:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:16:21 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, George Howell wrote: > >3. I've got a buddy out in LA with a 90-hp Sportster with good > >suspension who hunts sportbike poseurs. Now that's comical. > Which is the comical part: a Sporty with a good suspension, or 90 > (reliable) hp out of same? Forgive me, I'm sure the Sporty is at least as > reliable as your average Buell:) Hey,watch it there buddy.Nothing wrong with Sporty motors.90hp reliability is completely realistic. Nick I(alphabet) from _Motorcyclist_ and _Sport Rider_ has a 90hp street Sportster.Considering some of the bikes he's ridden,I don't think he'd own junk. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 03:42:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA08647; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA26191; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA01031 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA09375; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:36:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:30:09 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Alternate Memorial Day plans To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980421142011.BHOR5781@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > George Howell wrote: > >For those folks (like me:( who won't be heading down to Deal's Gap > >Memorial Day weekend, is anyone interested in doing the Ride to the Wall? > Otherwise known as "overheat your bike day". Nah,the rain we get every year keeps the bikes cool. ;-) Seriously,if you live in the area,you need to go to at least one Run.There's nothing like the sound of over 100k bikes firing up all at once! It is mostly a 'Harley' event,but you'd be surprised at some of the machines you'll see.And there's nothing wrong with showing a little support for our missing vets. I'm going to the Run with the local rec.moto.harley contingent.If anyone's interested in tagging along,drop me a note. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 03:56:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA08880; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA26796; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bas01 (known bas01.csfb.com [198.240.130.164]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA01189 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailuser@localhost) by bas01 (8.8.8/8.8.8/EXT) id DAA12819; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(169.39.5.57) by bas01 via smap (3.2) id xma012557; Thu, 30 Apr 98 03:53:25 -0400 Received: from mailhost.csfp.co.uk (hsi1n [159.156.54.51]) by csfb1.fir.fbc.com. (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA29355; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slon13300.csfp.co.uk (exchange [159.156.1.81]) by mailhost.csfp.co.uk (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA27319; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:50:16 +0100 (BST) Received: by slon13300 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:50:17 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Sparkes, Chris" To: "'Meier, Christopher'" , "'dc-cycles'" , "'Suzuki List'" Subject: RE: See Ya ... Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:50:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Good luck Chris! See you soon. Chris Sparkes GSF600S CREDIT|Financial Products SUISSE| EMAIL :- chris.sparkes@XXXXXX PHONE :- +44 (171) 888 2862 FAX :- +44 (171) 888 2679 > -----Original Message----- > From: Meier, Christopher [SMTP:MEIERCH@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 5:48 PM > To: 'dc-cycles'; 'Suzuki List' > Subject: See Ya ... > > ... for a few days! > > I am moving on to a new job, and will be unsubscribing. Once I get > settled > in there, and have my new e-mail address, I will be back. > > Take Care and Ride Safe, > chris > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > -------- > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > -------- > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 09:37:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11497; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03338; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05319 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p198.smart.net [206.97.127.198]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04709; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:37:07 -0400 Message-ID: <35487D3D.1EBB9945@smart.net> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:31:42 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: "Burger, Donald " , "DC Cycles (IPM Return requested)" Subject: Re: How safe is MD? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I always make sure that the bike is not moveable without moving the truck. A thief will have to lift a 600 pound bike over the top of my truck to get it out. Kinda defeats the purpose if you can manuever the bike between the autos, doesn't it? George Howell wrote: > >One suggestion other than locks and cover is to park the bike at the top end > >of a parking spot and park your car (if you have one) up to the bike, > >sandwiching it against the curb. That way, a thief will really have to work > >hard to get to your bike (provided cars park on both sides of yours). > > That's what I do in my complex. Not only do I get a little extra > security, but I also always have a reserved parking space! I'm sure the > neighbors are peeved:) Only trick is that some bikes can be hard to > manuever between the parked cars and the curb. I can always manage on the > BMW (barely) but when I use the Wing for a few days, I typically have to > move the cage out first. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 09:53:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11649; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03491; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05644 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 75 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:51:25 -0400 Message-ID: <35488245.EB466D86@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:53:09 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Happy Birthday! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My Concours is one month old today! Yayyyy! 2578 miles on the clock already, I think I might be really starting to like this bike. :-) On a side note, we got the KZ400 up and running last night! It needed a front brake caliper, which I finally installed and freed up. My little brother Rich (who just completed the MSF) was more than happy to take it for a shake down cruise. Of course, big brother just had to show him that it could still leave a rooster trail of sparks when leaned over hard enough in a parking lot! Lots-o-fun! Here's a funny post I read on the Concours Owner's Group list, I got a kick out of it. Enjoy! Horkster horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 -------------- Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:58:33 -0600 (MDT) From: william thomas rindom To: Concours Owners Group Subject: Asked by the man on the street...(humorous content) Message-ID: Dear COGers: I love motorcycling. It gives me such a chance to interact with my fellow man. Witness this conversation I had today with a man at the grocery store: MAN: Hey, what do you call that? (pointing to my bike.) ME: That's called a motorcycle. MAN: Well, no s**t, but what do YOU call it? ME: I call it MY motorcycle. MAN: No, I mean what is it's name? ME: You mean what model is it? MAN: Yeah. ME: Well, it's a Concours. (I figgered he wouldn't appreciate the French pronunciation, so I said "CONCOR".) MAN: What's it got to do with an airport? ME: I use it to test runways. MAN: Really? ME: No s**t. MAN: How many horses? ME: Around 100. MAN: No, I mean how many HORSEPOWER? ME: Like I said, around 100 MAN: No s**t? ME: No s**t. MAN: Wow. Did it come from the factory all black like that? ME: No. It's actually really dark, dark, green. (it's a '97.) MAN: No, it's black. ME: No, it's really dark, dark, green. MAN: No, it's black. ME: It's really green. Take a closer look. MAN: (Looking closely) No s**t, it really IS green. ME: No s**t. MAN: It's just like the color of money. Got any spare change? ME: Sorry, but I don't. MAN: No s**t? ME: No s**t. MAN: Well I like your bike. Can I take it for a little ride? (sound of starter motor, then my "black" Connie going all "vroom, vroom", and everything.) ME: Sure. Meet me at the airport. MAN: In the concourse or on the runway? (sound of motorcycle riding away) This was an actual conversation. No s**t. Best regards, and ride safe. Will Rindom, Abq, NM From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 10:27:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12015; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04294; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06443 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA28865 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:19:56 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:26:23 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:27:36 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Funny you should mention MotorCyclist and Nick Ienatch, Gil. The Sporty in question was built by Ienatch and Joe Minton as a Motorcyclist project about 7-8 years ago. Later sold to Bruce Dorn, the guy I know. The most impressive thing was not peak hp, it was the BIG torque at low rpm. Riding a stock 1200 after that, I kept pulling over to see if a plug wire had fallen off. Geez, now I gotta go and try to find that article . . . Joe '86 900 ninja >>> "Gil M. Nissley" - 4/28/98 1:04 AM >>> On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, George Howell wrote: > >3. I've got a buddy out in LA with a 90-hp Sportster with good > >suspension who hunts sportbike poseurs. Now that's comical. > Which is the comical part: a Sporty with a good suspension, or 90 > (reliable) hp out of same? Forgive me, I'm sure the Sporty is at least as > reliable as your average Buell:) Hey,watch it there buddy.Nothing wrong with Sporty motors.90hp reliability is completely realistic. Nick I(alphabet) from _Motorcyclist_ and _Sport Rider_ has a 90hp street Sportster.Considering some of the bikes he's ridden,I don't think he'd own junk. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 11:28:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13436; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06794; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08756 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00969; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:28:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Patton_Jim@XXXXXX Subject: Make yourself useful... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Most weekends during the warmer months of the year there are bicycle races going in the DC area. A lot of these races are run on local country roads which requires that motorized vehicles help alert local traffic to the race (by riding/driving in front of the race field). Motorcycles are just about the best vehicle for this purpose. There is a race on 5/9 that is short on motor helpers/officials. They are trying to close down the whole road for this race (using lanes in both directions). Additional motor support is essential to accomplish this. A modest pay will be received at the end of the day (~$35) but more importantly you'll receive the appreciation and adulation of bunches of bicycles racers! Further info on this particular race is available at: http://members.aol.com/aabikes/raceFlyerText.html If you have an interest in helping out with this or other races please contact Jim Patton (cc'd on this message - Patton_Jim@XXXXXX). Thanks, Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 11:51:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13758; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07414; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail4.geocities.com [209.1.224.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09390 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA01463; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35489D7E.B1BD57BC@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:49:18 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Patton_Jim@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Make yourself useful... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think these kind of things are neat ideas, and I may do one if I actually get back on a street bike here soon, but I do have one word (ok, sentence) of caution: CHECK WITH YOUR INSURANCE AGENT TO SEE IF YOU ARE COVERED A lot of them have fine print that does not cover you when you escort events such as bicycle races or runners.... The odds of something happening aren't "that" high, but you never know... you'll be going at a very slow pace, and you never know who's going to be flying up on you around a blind curve. -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 12:18:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15557; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08618; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nssczeusconn.navsea.navy.mil (known nssczeusconn.navsea.navy.mil [140.195.158.22]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12102 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804301618.MAA12102@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: by nssczeusconn.navsea.navy.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:17:28 -0400 From: Patton Jim To: Kirk Roy , "Collin T. Fagan " Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX " Subject: RE: Make yourself useful... Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:15:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Collin, et al, We will be providing brief training before the event. New marshals, or escots, will be placed in warning type positions infront of the event (you will not be interacting with the riders) -- very low risk of crunching conflict with anything (unless you do something dumb). Your average speeds will be less than 25 mph for the events. We are also running a clinic on 5/23 in Crofton. Upon successful completion of the clinic, you are a licensed bicycle race official. At that point, you are covered by a multi-million dollar organization. If you are interested in becoming a bicycle race official, I can sign you up for the clinic. Give me a call for details, 703-604-6132, ext 341 410-721-7650 (evenings, before 9:00 please) ___________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Make yourself useful... Author: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] at NAVSEA Date: 4/30/98 11:49 AM I think these kind of things are neat ideas, and I may do one if I actually get back on a street bike here soon, but I do have one word (ok, sentence) of caution: CHECK WITH YOUR INSURANCE AGENT TO SEE IF YOU ARE COVERED A lot of them have fine print that does not cover you when you escort events such as bicycle races or runners.... The odds of something happening aren't "that" high, but you never know... you'll be going at a very slow pace, and you never know who's going to be flying up on you around a blind curve. -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 13:38:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17876; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11716; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (known darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16223 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galileo.cris.com (galileo.concentric.net [206.173.119.84]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/04/23 5.10)) id NAA10665; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:38:00 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by galileo.cris.com (8.8.5) id NAA24938; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:37:59 -0400 (EDT) From: BRIANPM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike protection in MD.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, being a resident of the near Calverton area (Adelphi and Laurel), I think this is some of the lower risk areas I've been in. But when I was further inside the beltway, I'd park my bike in the same spot as my jeep (when I had it), and would lock the two things together. Sure, as with all situations, if someone wants it, they'll get it. Locks only keep honest people honest. But then again, I left the keys in my unlocked bike overnight several times (not on purpose), and never had anything bad happen.. I'm very happy now to have a garage.. if only because I don't get ice in my ignition/gas cap in the winter (I HATE that). Brian P.McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 82 XT250 (street/dirt) brianpm@XXXXXX & bmccoy@XXXXXX - personal www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 14:43:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19484; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14805; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19296 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA17806 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:43:22 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:43:22 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'Patton_Jim@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Make yourself useful... Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:46:20 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 12 TEXT Neat shit!! An Italian motorcycle club that I belonged to (Il Gruppo Motociclistico di Viginovo) used to do this when I was stationed in Italy. Great fun and a teriffic excuse to spend a day in the saddle (for those of you who are looking for a new one). Where do I sign up?? Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 14:50:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19616; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14994; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19550 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A0B5EB0082; Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:49:25 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980430144604.00f476b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:46:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That was back when _Motorcyclist_ was a great magazine. Between Joe Minton's wrenching and actual tests of useful motorcycle products, it really filled a need. Now it seems that all it has is multiple COMPAROS!!!! and SHOOTOUTS!!!! with more exclamation points than substance. sad because I've been going through old _Motorcyclist_ articles, Chris Norloff ********************************************** At 10:27 AM 4/30/98 -0400, JOE NAGY wrote: >Funny you should mention MotorCyclist and Nick Ienatch, Gil. The Sporty >in question was built by Ienatch and Joe Minton as a Motorcyclist >project about 7-8 years ago. Later sold to Bruce Dorn, the guy I know. >The most impressive thing was not peak hp, it was the BIG torque at low >rpm. Riding a stock 1200 after that, I kept pulling over to see if a >plug wire had fallen off. Geez, now I gotta go and try to find that >article . . . >Joe >'86 900 ninja > >>>> "Gil M. Nissley" - 4/28/98 1:04 AM >>> >On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, George Howell wrote: >> >3. I've got a buddy out in LA with a 90-hp Sportster with good >> >suspension who hunts sportbike poseurs. Now that's comical. >> Which is the comical part: a Sporty with a good suspension, or 90 >> (reliable) hp out of same? Forgive me, I'm sure the Sporty is at least >as >> reliable as your average Buell:) > > Hey,watch it there buddy.Nothing wrong with Sporty motors.90hp >reliability >is completely realistic. > Nick I(alphabet) from _Motorcyclist_ and _Sport Rider_ has a 90hp >street Sportster.Considering some of the bikes he's ridden,I don't >think he'd own junk. > > >The official BuellBoy Genes model. > >gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> > >Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 14:59:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19772; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15232; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19795 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id FAA07676; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 05:39:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 05:39:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: bikes/parts wanted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi...I'm looking for some parts: (1) was just given an '85 Suzuki GS 450 (drum brakes!), but no title. Anybody got a dead 450 with title? (2) I have a crashed Yamaha 550 seca (with title). Anybody got a parts bike with a good front end and exhaust? (3) Could use some kz-440 parts: intake manifold, airbox/filter & some odds & ends. Thanks. --garcia (202-234-9229) "Take your life in your own hands and what happens? A terrible thing: no one to blame." --Erica Jong From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 15:06:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19861; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15516; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nssczeusconn.navsea.navy.mil (known nssczeusconn.navsea.navy.mil [140.195.158.22]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20009 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804301906.PAA20009@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: by nssczeusconn.navsea.navy.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:05:07 -0400 From: Patton Jim To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' " , "Jordan, Michael " , "pattonj@XXXXXX at Internet" Subject: RE: Make yourself useful... Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:02:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain I'll get you the details -- they're on my other computer. But plan on a full day in old Crofton, MD. Details to follow tonight. Jim ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Make yourself useful... Author: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] at NAVSEA Date: 4/30/98 2:46 PM Neat shit!! An Italian motorcycle club that I belonged to (Il Gruppo Motociclistico di Viginovo) used to do this when I was stationed in Italy. Great fun and a teriffic excuse to spend a day in the saddle (for those of you who are looking for a new one). Where do I sign up?? Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 15:26:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20293; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16101; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21028 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 172; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:24:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3548D044.49A2412D@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:25:56 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KZ LTD List CC: DC Cycles List , VJMC List Subject: Got my 400 street-able again (long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My little brother and I got my '76 KZ400 up and running last night! I had parked it last summer, unsure of it's future. Cosmetically it looked rough. Although the seat and sidecovers were intact, the paint on tank was freckling badly with rust spots, and the bike looked like every one of it's 22 years had taken it's toll. Engine- wise it ran, but had a big flat spot at 7k rpms, probably a result of dirty carbs and a cheap aftermarket exhaust I had installed (hey- it was my first bike, I had to make a mistake or two with it!) It leaked a little bit of oil out of the head gasket at high speeds, and the petcock had a tendency to leak after sitting for a while, so the engine, carbs, and crankcase were all pretty grubby. It had some nasty notchy steering head bearings, which I had replaced in an epic one day struggle earlier this spring. What a hoot that was! The bike looks sort of funny with the entire front end removed from the frame. It now sported roller bearings where the old ball bearings used to hide. Steering is now much smoother, no notches. It was in bad need of a new chain and sprockets, which subsequently I fixed a few Saturdays later. Now the only thing it needed was a front brake caliper, the old caliper being a victim of the idiot PO (which stands for *present* owner - me, this time) who had snapped off the bleeder screw on the caliper, then sealed it's fate by doing the same thing with a screw extractor - can we say D'oh! I hit the local junkyard a couple of weeks ago, found a decent looking replacement caliper off a donor bike, paid $35 for it, and just now finally got some time to play with it. (Those of you married, working, with kids know what I'm talking about.) After much flushing of old fluid and pumping of the brake lever, we got the new caliper freed up and functional. After I putted up and down the street with it, to make sure it wasn't gonna kill anyone, my little brother, Rich (who just completed the MSF basic course, at my gentle *urging*) was more than happy to take it for a shake down cruise. Big brother led at a safe pace aboard his nice new Kawasaki, and all was right with the world. As the two of us rode off into the night, I couldn't help but think that not quite two years ago, *I* was the newbie learning to ride on that little KZ. I was glad to see it fill that role at least one more time. We had sort of planned for him to just 'borrow' this bike for the summer, since he is just getting into motorcyling. He can use this 400, just like I and my wife did, as a learner bike until he decides what kind of ride he wants and has the cash to do something other than just drool. Of course, big brother just had to show him that it could still leave a rooster trail of sparks when leaned over hard enough in a parking lot! Someday I'm sure Rich is gonna show me a thing or two on two wheels, so I had to show off now! :-) The bike's still got that flat spot at 7k rpm, and it still dribbles oil and gas, I'm sure time hasn't healed those wounds, but the little bike still likes to play. :-) As for it's future? Well, it's still in doubt. It's not a collectible, and I'm not sure I've got the time or patience or money to restore it to it's former beauty, and I know I'll never get out the money I've put into it if I sell it. I'll probably just keep it around, another little rat-bike, until it finally quits running for good, but I secretly hope that's a long, long, long time from now. So tonight, after the kids are in bed, maybe I'll get a chance to go for a ride. And maybe it won't be on the Concours. Ride safe, Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours (My Present) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 (My First) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 17:07:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23064; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17662; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26238 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:07:34 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.75.193]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA27493; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:07:01 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980430170610.006cb174@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:06:10 -0400 To: George Howell , "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: headlight bulbs, was Re: Considerate Cagers(?)...not Cc: "dc-cycles" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've got a 90/100 in the VFR and nobody seems to object to the low beam at night. People have to flip their day/nite mirrors during the day when I have my hi beam behind them, but that's a small price for me to ask them to pay.... Maybe you should re-aim your headlight. Hella says to pull up against a wall and mark the "hot spot" the lights make on the wall, then back 20 ft away and line the hot spot up with your mark. If you can't find a good place to do this, I know a parking garage in Rockville.... Later Kevin At 12:46 AM 4/30/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >> A similar experience led me to rewire my turn signals as running lights >>and to get Hyperlites, banks of bright LEDs which flash annoyingly with the >>brakelight. > >Sounds like what I did. I also wired up the front turn signals as running >lights. Also put in a 85/110 watt headlight. Works really well for >getting cagers out of your way. And when they flassh their high beams... >I love the reaction when I trigger the high beams:) Actually, my >visibility is greatly helped during the daytime, but it is more than a >bit rude at night, so I'll probably put the old bulb back in until I can >find one of those 55/110 bulbs. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 17:09:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23093; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17684; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26281 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:09:49 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.75.193]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA29755; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:08:44 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980430170753.006d0a5c@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:07:53 -0400 To: MARKSOMM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: coil problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mark-- Yes it is. You really ought to have a shop manual, especially if you are working on a bike and don't know the answer to your question. Clymers are decent, but you cna't beat a factory manual, regardless of price. later Kevin At 01:24 AM 4/30/98 EDT, MARKSOMM wrote: >I've had an intermittent problem the past year or two. Everyone loves >diagnosing these right? Anyhow, I've finally concluded that it is in the one >of the coils or the connections thereto. I plan to clean up the connections >first off. Is it possible to test the coil though? > >Mark > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 17:20:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23694; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17899; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (known ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27084 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:19:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 852565F6.007567F7 ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:22:23 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565F6.0074D179.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:20:42 -0400 Subject: Re: headlight bulbs, was Re: Considerate Cagers(?)...not Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=iU87v183Eb6snz1iW423NRul8kW9MpPTAV9PkqKmGAomwAy7QN7rZVct" Content-Disposition: inline --0__=iU87v183Eb6snz1iW423NRul8kW9MpPTAV9PkqKmGAomwAy7QN7rZVct Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I took Harry's advice a while back and headed to Bob's BMW to pick myself up a set of HyperLights...I used them the entire time I was in NYC without incident (in fact, one guy even stopped me to ask where he could get a set...I don't suppose Bob's has a branch in Brooklyn, eh?) :-) They're really bright, setup easily even if you don't have a BMW, and seem to be high quality (though either Bob's is marking them up a good amount, or the manufacturer is making a killing, because its a pretty simple rig). Back to lurk mode... -Doug 81 GS 750 L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (Embedded image moved klthomas@XXXXXX to file: 04/30/98 05:06 PM pic06287.pcx) To: George Howell , "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." cc: "dc-cycles" (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: headlight bulbs, was Re: Considerate Cagers(?)...not I've got a 90/100 in the VFR and nobody seems to object to the low beam at night. People have to flip their day/nite mirrors during the day when I have my hi beam behind them, but that's a small price for me to ask them to pay.... Maybe you should re-aim your headlight. Hella says to pull up against a wall and mark the "hot spot" the lights make on the wall, then back 20 ft away and line the hot spot up with your mark. If you can't find a good place to do this, I know a parking garage in Rockville.... 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A: Yes! I'm a tutor. I'm a tutor for an organization in the district called "Growing Together". (Sappy name, huh?). The program is for elementary school kids who are failing in school. It provided one-on-one instruction in basic math, reading and language skills. I'm sending this post to the list because we are desperate for tutors right now. There were a bunch of GW workstudy students working as tutors, but now that finals are near, they are all dropping out. If more tutors don't magically appear soon, we are going to have to start dropping some of the kids. If anyone out there has the slightest interest in education and some free time, I'd love it if you sent me a note. It's a volunteer job, so the only paycheck you'll get is a warm fuzzy feeling. No special background is needed. If you can read, write, and do basic arithmetic, you can be a tutor. It is not a religious group, but tutoring takes place in St Stephen's church on 16th Street NW. The church rents rooms to G.T. at a very good rate. Most of the kids live right in the neighborhood. thanks, Colleen PS: Having a motorcycle gives you an advantage dealing with the kids. They all think it's cool, and they all think it is a bit crazy. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 17:37:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25213; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18339; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29667 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id CKRZa14246; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:34:53 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:34:53 EDT To: klthomas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: headlight bulbs, was Re: Considerate Cagers(?)...not Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Kevin said, >I've got a 90/100 in the VFR and nobody seems to object to the low beam at >night. I know lots of people use these, but I'm not so sure how good of an idea it is. On some bikes, these bulbs are too much for the wiring harness. Twice I've seen harnesses that were melted near the bulb socket. In both cases, the bikes had bulbs with high wattage low beams. One was a BMW, the other a Ducati. True, it was only twice in the whole time I worked in shops, but still... Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 17:53:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25557; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18528; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ice.clark.net (known ice.clark.net [168.143.0.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00351 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by ice.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22460 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:53:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11144 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804302153.RAA11144@shell.clark.net> Subject: Make yourself useful... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:53:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Most weekends during the warmer months of the year there are bicycle races > going in the DC area. A lot of these races are run on local country roads > which requires that motorized vehicles help alert local traffic to the > race (by riding/driving in front of the race field). Motorcycles are just > about the best vehicle for this purpose. As Collin said, check your insurance company. Last year I did a motorcycle escort to the DC AIDS Ride, which wasn't a race, but a bicycle ride to raise money and awareness for Aids support services (Food and Friends, and the Whitman Walker Clinic). I called and at first Progressive said I wouldn't be covered. But after some arguing and faxing an article in which the VP was quoted as saying he supports efforts like these, they changed their tune. Even though the organization that is sponsoring the race/run may have insurance, it may not cover you. (The AIDSRide organizers kept fudging the answer, so I just went under the assumption that it was NO.) I'll be doing this again for AIDS Ride 98. If anyone wants some info (4 days, 350 miles from Raleigh, NC to Washington, DC) let me know. They are looking for a few more people. To read about my experiences last year, check out http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm and go to the link about the AIDS Ride. Oh, one other word of advice, something I learned doing the escort last year, remember, only the POLICE can direct traffic. If you try to direct traffic without authorization, you can be fined! Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 22:31:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28552; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20475; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05547 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id 1OVPa03031 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:29:02 +2000 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: <1617dd4e.3549336f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:29:02 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: re:bulbs, etc... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 I was trying to find a euro style bulb for my bike, you know the blue ones like on the new lincolns and benz's, anyway, no one had em in stock and so instead of ordering one and waiting, the guy at the shop said "If you cant go blue, why not go brighter" so I thought, damn, that might work. And when I saw the "Not for public road use" sticker, I knew I was in. Now 90/130 keeps me visible. And I havent really noticed it being any kind of a nusence for other drivers as long as the aim is right. Sean P. Ride Free!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 30 23:23:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29128; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20805; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06532 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (pool-207-205-218-147.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.218.147]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA27785; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980430232440.0069ac30@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:24:40 -0400 To: CloudsAbv9 From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: re:bulbs, etc... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1617dd4e.3549336f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:29 PM 4/30/98 EDT, CloudsAbv9 wrote: >Now 90/130 keeps me visible. Sean, I run a 80/100 in my bike, but that's probably pushing it. As Colleen mentioned, you can fry your wiring harness with too hot a bulb. Thus, be judicious with the high beam. There are some new Xenon bulbs out which reportedly have higher outputs with less heat. However, they're about four times the price. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die."