From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 00:09:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08332; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03391; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28487 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.47] (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 00:06:56 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Top Speed... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 98 00:08:56 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > I have to say that when I was riding my ZX-11, my biggest fear was not >crashing or dying, but of being arrested and locked in a prison in West >Virginia wearing a white leather suit. Used to go to Frostburg, and went drinking in WVa a few times (they weren't so strict on age). And to put it not too nicely, I am sure they would have LOVED you in some of those prisons:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 00:25:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08600; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:25:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03937; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (known m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28673 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA13118; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:47:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:47:43 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Top Speed... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D52F66F@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Take it to the TRACK! you hellion you.. :P (P.S. - mine did an indicated 130) And you shouldn't be refering to yourself as a newbie anymore.. you've already done more miles and 10 RUBS would in a year, and most fair-weather riders do in a summer.. On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Please, no flames, I'm just a proud semi-newbie who did her top speed of > 105 this weekend! = : o > > - Jeannette > > Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 85 XT250 (street/dirt) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) 83 CB1100f RIP - 86 VF500f RIP- next? www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 00:39:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08679; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:39:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04143; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28803 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.47] (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 00:36:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Top Speed... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 98 00:38:26 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Brian McCoy" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Take it to the TRACK! you hellion you.. :P (P.S. - mine did an indicated >130) And you shouldn't be refering to yourself as a newbie anymore.. >you've already done more miles and 10 RUBS would in a year, and most >fair-weather riders do in a summer.. Last week, there was a meeting for one of the property groups my parents are a part of. Father and I walked in and placed helmets on the floor under our seats. One of the doctors chimes in "Oh, I've got a Harley". Yeah. How come I've never seen it? Course, I guess he is making enough for a $17,000 objet d'art. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 06:56:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA11914; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:56:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA15604; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com (known micros-bh.micros.com [206.241.67.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA03411 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:54:49 -0500 (EST) From: bmccoy@XXXXXX Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id GAA05093 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:54:49 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma005027; Wed, 1 Apr 98 06:54:33 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id GAA15824 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) id AA891430626; Wed, 01 Apr 98 06:55:01 -0500 Message-Id: <9804018914.AA891430626@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 98 06:35:31 -0500 To: Subject: vfr rim for hawk (for sale) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, found this floating around one of my lists... thought someone might be interested or could pass it on to the Hawk list.. Brian P.S. standard disclaimers..... ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ There are two ways to mount a VFR rim on a hawk: modify the rim, or modify the rear axle spindle. I chose the later for two reasons: I personally think it looks better, and I think it is stronger (aka safer), modifying the case- hardened steel instead of the soft alloy rim that Honda built that way for a reason anyway. Well, this mod looks way cool, especially with a matching black F2 rim up front. This whole assembly is now for sale because the class I'm racing my hawk in requires stock rims. Assembly includes: Black 5" VFR rim Modified spindle Wheel studs and lug nuts The center axle bolt is no longer used with this modification, there are no clearance problems. I'm selling it for $500, which is about what I have into it. Trades and negotiations always considered. I'm in Phoenix, price does not include shipping. Troy Tinsley gonridn@XXXXXX --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="RFC822.TXT" Received: from micros.micros.com by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) ; Tue, 31 Mar 98 12:44:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from micros-bh.micros.com (igate.micros.com [206.241.67.129]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id MAA27605 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id MAA22158 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:43:57 -0500 Received: from alutia.micapeak.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma022138; Tue, 31 Mar 98 12:43:41 -0500 Received: from alutia.micapeak.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alutia.micapeak.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA23237; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:41:30 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:41:30 -0800 Message-Id: <825c9c8.35212a35@aol.com> Errors-To: race-owner@XXXXXX Reply-To: race@XXXXXX Originator: race@XXXXXX Sender: race@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk From: Gonridn To: Motorcycle Roadracing Listserver Subject: vfr rim for hawk (for sale) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Motorcycle Roadracing Listserver Mime-Version: 1.0 --simple boundary-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 08:10:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12633; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17060; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:08:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04307 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:08:51 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565D9.004887EB ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:12:13 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: ghowell@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565D9.00484741.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:12:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Top Speed... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII One of the doctors chimes in "Oh, I've got a Harley". Do you think he would have been offended if you had answered "You have my condolences."? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 09:26:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13604; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18174; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06129 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:24:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA27568 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:24:43 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:24:43 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Leon Begeman's web page Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:27:25 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 11 TEXT For those of you who haven't seen this: http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider Made the trip into work worthwhile just to see this today. Thanks, Leon Michael (firmly put in his place for actually using a motorcycle to do his SS1K) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 09:40:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14030; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18549; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06830 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA04937; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:39:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:38:22 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570BCC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'George Howell'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Top Speed... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:39:06 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Speaking of ignorant, Tom & I were acting a bit like squids last night racing some guy (well, he was the one doing the successful portion of the racing, my bike can't keep up with a ZX6) and the guy who was attempting to keep up with Tom had a girl on the back (pillion) in short sleeves and shorts! The look of terror in her eyes made me feel a bit bad for her. What's some guy doing racing like that with an exposed pillion? hmmm - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 11:12 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Top Speed... > > > > Awfully ignorant of him driving that fast with his kid in the car. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > -George Howell AMA#553567 > ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 > georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:02:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14478; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19059; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07666 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA13929; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:00:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA20448; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:00:42 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA20435; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:00:32 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5D3B.D2B40A30@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:00:15 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'George Howell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Top Speed... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:55:26 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 37 TEXT I think it has something to do with excess testosterone. Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 6:39 AM >To: 'George Howell'; DC Cycles >Subject: RE: Top Speed... > >Speaking of ignorant, Tom & I were acting a bit like squids last night >racing some guy (well, he was the one doing the successful portion of >the racing, my bike can't keep up with a ZX6) and the guy who was >attempting to keep up with Tom had a girl on the back (pillion) in short >sleeves and shorts! The look of terror in her eyes made me feel a bit >bad for her. What's some guy doing racing like that with an exposed >pillion? hmmm > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 11:12 PM >> To: O'Brien, Jeannette; DC Cycles >> Subject: Re: Top Speed... >> >> >> >> Awfully ignorant of him driving that fast with his kid in the car. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> -George Howell AMA#553567 >> ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 >> georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:08:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14590; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19259; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07861 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.33] (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:05:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: deal's gap closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 98 10:07:37 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" picked this up on the wings list. Somebody better check this out. BTW, it was sent 4/1/1998, so who knows if it's real. -George >With all the talk about closing some National Parks to motorists I >thought this would be of interest to the list especially if you were >thinking of visiting Tennessee and South Carolina this summer to >'Drive the Dragon' aka Deal's Gap. > >From the North Carolina Robbinsville Tribune > >END OF AN ERA > >Tennessee Govenor Don Sundquist (D) and North Carolina >Governor James B. Hunt Jr.(D) made a joint announcement >this date advising the State highway Route 129 known as Deal's >Gap will be closed to all motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. > >Reading from a report by Tennesse's Transportation Commissioner >J. Bruce Saltsman Sr. and North Carolina's Department of Transport >secretary Garland B. Garrett Jr. indicating there has been too many >motorcycle accidents with resulting serious injury and death on an >eleven mile strip of Highway 129 known as Deal's Gap, the two state >legislators have agreed to closing that section of roadway to all >motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. > >Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as >"The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past >few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a >1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 >deaths in the past two years. > >The American Motorcycle Association (AMA) an association that >lobbies the government on laws pertaining to motorcyclists was >contacted and stated that they were aware that the two State >governments were thinking of taking some action to curb the loss >of life along this stretch of highway but the AMA had not been >consulted on any remedies they may wish to suggest. A spokesperson >for the AMA stated not all motorcycle drivers are running this >roadway dangerously and pointed out the statistics indicate there had >not been one large touring type motorcycle involved in a serious >accident in the past ten years. AMA stated it is considering >petitioning >the Federal Government to have the ban lifted as being >unconstitutional. > >North Carolina's Graham County Sheriff Noel T. Baker, stationed at >Robbinsville NC who has received some notoriety for ticketing >motorcyclists in the area in an attempt to slow them down stated; >"It is about time someone in the government took some action to >reduce the carnage by motorcyclists on this highway". BAKER >had been the target of a boycott by the BMW Association of America >who's members are particularly prone to run this road to see who can >do the eleven miles in the shortest period of time. BAKER, who's >unmarked police cruiser ran off the road on one of the particularly >sharp curves while pursuing a motorcyclist stated "I'm sick and tired >of having to replace police cars running off this road in pursuit of >motorcycles." > >Deal's Gap at the south end starts at a campground in North Carolina >named "The Crossroads of Time" (COT) The roadway soon enters >the state of Tennessee and continues north for approximately 11 miles >just skirting the southern boundry of the Great Smoky Mountain >National >Park. Peter Johansen owner of the COT campsite where a private club >known as the Dragons Den is located stated, "Last summer Sheriff >BAKER cancelled the beer licence of the BMWA's annual picnic on the >hottest day of the year. I sure had some hot and unhappy >motorcyclists >on my campground. Luckily I had just put in a big stock of my own >beer and I gave it to the boys, at no charge of course". > >In answer to opposing this closure by ABATE, volunteer lobbyist, >Rodney Roberts, on the grounds that it is discrimination, Governor >Sundquist stated "If you think the State Governments can not close >a roadway to a specified class of vehicles you only have to look at >Tanglewood County Park where motorcycles have been banned >for the past 35 years. If County Governments can restrict some roads >to a certain classes of vehicles while banning other classes certainly >the State Governments are also justified in doing so". Another >example >is the closing by the Federal Government of Yosemite National Park >along with some other National Parks to all motor vehicles in the year >2000. > >Honda of America's President Koichi Amemiya advised Gold Wing >motorcyclists are the safest motorcyclists on the roads due mostly >to the superior engineering that goes into their production coupled >with the fact that most Gold Wing drivers are over the age of 40. >He feels if the ban is to remain there should be some allowance given >to drivers of Gold Wing motorcycles. Amemiya stated Soichiro Honda, >founder of the Honda Motor Corporation who was a racer at one time, >was known for his research and development of the safest touring >machines in the world. > >Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists (CVCOM) president has stated >they will ignore the ban en masse and ride the Dragon on Sunday, >May 5 with intentions of starting a class action suite claiming the >American right to 'freedom to travel where ever they please'. The >Kawasaki Concours Group have stated they will be joining in with >the CVCOM to help support their action. BMW Owners of Georgia, >a motorcycle club of over 200 members have taken a collection to >help pay for any lawyers fees. > >Tennessee Tourist Development Commissioner John A Wade was >quoted as saying "It will be hard on the tourist trade in the area >which >looks forward to hosting so many motorcyclists that visit here but we >have contingincy plans to re-route any motorcyclists to the Great >Smokey Mountain roadways where there are plenty of other good >roads for motorcyclists to enjoy". > >John Bruce Saltsman Sr. Tennessee's Commissioner of transportation >said there were plans on the book to re-construct that portion of >Deal's >Gap to a controlled access multi-laned highway but that construction >was not slated until 2001. Wayne Shakelford, North Carolina's >Transportation commissioner stated " We have been considering >straightening out a few of the more dangerous curves along this >stretch >of highway but because of the mountainous topography the costs are >prohibitive at this time". > >Governor Sundquist who himself is a motorcyclist stated "Unfortunately >we are forced to ban all motorcycles and not just the crotch rockets >and rice burners that are causing all the trouble". > >End of newspaper article. > >Apparently there will be an article in the 'American Motorcyclist' >Magazine in May's issue. Look for more details in the magazine >article. > >This issue boggles the mind (at least mine). It is even more >outrageous than states like Florida permitting communities to pass >bans on cruising sailboats anchoring in their harbors. Some >communities (Puget Sound islands) have tried to ban jet-skiis from >their harbors but have lost in court. > >Now please don't shoot the messenger. For further information >there is more about this road closure on >http://www.dallas.net/~jsides/txwingz/dealsgap.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:18:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14792; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19478; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (known sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08200 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA28594 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:17:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca007.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.78]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA02236 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:17:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA007 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:17:11 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B46@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: FW: Deal's Gap Closure (long) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:16:57 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On my! Todd, we may want to factor this into our trip plans .... --chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > > > > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:07:36 -0600 > > From: "Norm & Kay Hustad" > > Subject: [Wings] Deal's Gap Closure > > > > With all the talk about closing some National Parks to motorists I > > thought this would be of interest to the list especially if you were > > thinking of visiting Tennessee and South Carolina this summer to > > 'Drive the Dragon' aka Deal's Gap. > > > > From the North Carolina Robbinsville Tribune > > > > END OF AN ERA > > > > Tennessee Govenor Don Sundquist (D) and North Carolina > > Governor James B. Hunt Jr.(D) made a joint announcement > > this date advising the State highway Route 129 known as Deal's > > Gap will be closed to all motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. > > > > Reading from a report by Tennesse's Transportation Commissioner > > J. Bruce Saltsman Sr. and North Carolina's Department of Transport > > secretary Garland B. Garrett Jr. indicating there has been too many > > motorcycle accidents with resulting serious injury and death on an > > eleven mile strip of Highway 129 known as Deal's Gap, the two state > > legislators have agreed to closing that section of roadway to all > > motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. > > > > Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as > > "The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past > > few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a > > 1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 > > deaths in the past two years. > > > > The American Motorcycle Association (AMA) an association that > > lobbies the government on laws pertaining to motorcyclists was > > contacted and stated that they were aware that the two State > > governments were thinking of taking some action to curb the loss > > of life along this stretch of highway but the AMA had not been > > consulted on any remedies they may wish to suggest. A spokesperson > > for the AMA stated not all motorcycle drivers are running this > > roadway dangerously and pointed out the statistics indicate there > had > > not been one large touring type motorcycle involved in a serious > > accident in the past ten years. AMA stated it is considering > > petitioning > > the Federal Government to have the ban lifted as being > > unconstitutional. > > > > North Carolina's Graham County Sheriff Noel T. Baker, stationed at > > Robbinsville NC who has received some notoriety for ticketing > > motorcyclists in the area in an attempt to slow them down stated; > > "It is about time someone in the government took some action to > > reduce the carnage by motorcyclists on this highway". BAKER > > had been the target of a boycott by the BMW Association of America > > who's members are particularly prone to run this road to see who can > > do the eleven miles in the shortest period of time. BAKER, who's > > unmarked police cruiser ran off the road on one of the particularly > > sharp curves while pursuing a motorcyclist stated "I'm sick and > tired > > of having to replace police cars running off this road in pursuit of > > motorcycles." > > > > Deal's Gap at the south end starts at a campground in North Carolina > > named "The Crossroads of Time" (COT) The roadway soon enters > > the state of Tennessee and continues north for approximately 11 > miles > > just skirting the southern boundry of the Great Smoky Mountain > > National > > Park. Peter Johansen owner of the COT campsite where a private club > > known as the Dragons Den is located stated, "Last summer Sheriff > > BAKER cancelled the beer licence of the BMWA's annual picnic on the > > hottest day of the year. I sure had some hot and unhappy > > motorcyclists > > on my campground. Luckily I had just put in a big stock of my own > > beer and I gave it to the boys, at no charge of course". > > > > In answer to opposing this closure by ABATE, volunteer lobbyist, > > Rodney Roberts, on the grounds that it is discrimination, Governor > > Sundquist stated "If you think the State Governments can not close > > a roadway to a specified class of vehicles you only have to look at > > Tanglewood County Park where motorcycles have been banned > > for the past 35 years. If County Governments can restrict some roads > > to a certain classes of vehicles while banning other classes > certainly > > the State Governments are also justified in doing so". Another > > example > > is the closing by the Federal Government of Yosemite National Park > > along with some other National Parks to all motor vehicles in the > year > > 2000. > > > > Honda of America's President Koichi Amemiya advised Gold Wing > > motorcyclists are the safest motorcyclists on the roads due mostly > > to the superior engineering that goes into their production coupled > > with the fact that most Gold Wing drivers are over the age of 40. > > He feels if the ban is to remain there should be some allowance > given > > to drivers of Gold Wing motorcycles. Amemiya stated Soichiro Honda, > > founder of the Honda Motor Corporation who was a racer at one time, > > was known for his research and development of the safest touring > > machines in the world. > > > > Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists (CVCOM) president has stated > > they will ignore the ban en masse and ride the Dragon on Sunday, > > May 5 with intentions of starting a class action suite claiming the > > American right to 'freedom to travel where ever they please'. The > > Kawasaki Concours Group have stated they will be joining in with > > the CVCOM to help support their action. BMW Owners of Georgia, > > a motorcycle club of over 200 members have taken a collection to > > help pay for any lawyers fees. > > > > Tennessee Tourist Development Commissioner John A Wade was > > quoted as saying "It will be hard on the tourist trade in the area > > which > > looks forward to hosting so many motorcyclists that visit here but > we > > have contingincy plans to re-route any motorcyclists to the Great > > Smokey Mountain roadways where there are plenty of other good > > roads for motorcyclists to enjoy". > > > > John Bruce Saltsman Sr. Tennessee's Commissioner of transportation > > said there were plans on the book to re-construct that portion of > > Deal's > > Gap to a controlled access multi-laned highway but that construction > > was not slated until 2001. Wayne Shakelford, North Carolina's > > Transportation commissioner stated " We have been considering > > straightening out a few of the more dangerous curves along this > > stretch > > of highway but because of the mountainous topography the costs are > > prohibitive at this time". > > > > Governor Sundquist who himself is a motorcyclist stated > "Unfortunately > > we are forced to ban all motorcycles and not just the crotch rockets > > and rice burners that are causing all the trouble". > > > > End of newspaper article. > > > > Apparently there will be an article in the 'American Motorcyclist' > > Magazine in May's issue. Look for more details in the magazine > > article. > > > > This issue boggles the mind (at least mine). It is even more > > outrageous than states like Florida permitting communities to pass > > bans on cruising sailboats anchoring in their harbors. Some > > communities (Puget Sound islands) have tried to ban jet-skiis from > > their harbors but have lost in court. > > > > Now please don't shoot the messenger. For further information > > there is more about this road closure on > > http://www.dallas.net/~jsides/dealsgap.html > > > > > > Norm Hustad > > AMA, HRCA, IBA > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:39:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15370; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19933; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09118 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:38:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (sward@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15155 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sward@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA24690 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:38:25 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: shell.clark.net: sward owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:38:24 -0500 (EST) From: David Sward To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: deal's gap closure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, George Howell wrote: snip snip ... > >sharp curves while pursuing a motorcyclist stated "I'm sick and tired > >of having to replace police cars running off this road in pursuit of > >motorcycles." [...] > >Governor Sundquist who himself is a motorcyclist stated "Unfortunately > >we are forced to ban all motorcycles and not just the crotch rockets > >and rice burners that are causing all the trouble". ROFL! -- David Sward sward@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:43:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15444; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20027; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:42:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09230 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:42:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-117.s117.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.117]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24230; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:42:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <352260BD.D88B9E9A@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:43:57 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: deal's gap closure References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It must be an April Fools joke!!! Some of the BMW's are quick, but if a Beemer can pull 12 minutes, any properly set up CBR (6 or 9), GSXR, or several others, with the right rider should be able to do every bit as much if not better. (just kidding guys.. don't beat up on me) Never been to the stretch, but seen a few pics... average speed of 60 is the best that's been pulled??? How is this stretch compared to 211 and 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, what??) Last time I ran 211 I was poking along waiting for some other fellas, but I checked the speedo at 65 in several curves.. much higher in the brief straights... If this is a true report, it really sucks... No reason that they can't ban motorcycles though.. they do similar things for other classes of vehicles. And since it's all m/c not just sport bikes, they will have a much stronger position in court...I'm betting that if those two groups get a lawsuit going, they'll manage to get a temporary injunction on the ban.. that'll give me a chance to go see it :) Collin (looking for his nomex suit to dodge george, harry, and all the other beemer riders :)) George Howell wrote: > >Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as > >"The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past > >few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a > >1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 > >deaths in the past two years. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:46:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15472; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20087; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:45:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net (known loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09339 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20405; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:45:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA26758; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:45:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804011545.KAA26758@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: deal's gap closure To: ghowell@XXXXXX (George Howell ) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:45:32 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: from "George Howell " at Apr 1, 98 10:07:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Well, the web page listed at the end bombed, and I'm a member of both VCOM and the Kawasaki Concours group and haven't heard anything about this yet. If the story continues after April Fools Day, then I'd be concerned. Louis > picked this up on the wings list. Somebody better check this out. BTW, it > was sent 4/1/1998, so who knows if it's real. [Deals Gap story deleted for those on Digest] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | Entrant #19, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:51:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15536; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:51:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20239; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09482 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVCOC0BFDC8ZI1Y2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:43:32 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:34:32 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:34:32 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:34:02 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: Re: deal's gap closure In-reply-to: To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:34:02 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1132IHW29U1X X400-MTS-identifier: [;23430110408991/2488408@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 Does this mean they've given up the idea of providing air bag fitted suits at the entrance to The Dragon? Of the options that were put forward to improve the safety at Deal's Gap (simply outlawing BMWs - seemingly the main problem with their testosterone driven pilots, air bag fitted suits, enforcing the Deal's Gap outrigger law, outlawing all motorcycles, etc) I thought the air bag suit one was the neatest. Hundreds of Michelin Men (and women) attacking Deal's Gap with glee with be an interesting sight. Well, you win some you lose some. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 10:58:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15660; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:58:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20510; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09808 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5D5C.BCD45B90@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:55:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: deal's gap closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:55:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 19 TEXT Decided to e-mail the TN governor and the guy from Texas Wingz since the URL doesn't exist on his web page - will keep you up to date if I hear anything - probably just April Fools Tracy ---------- ^From: George Howell[SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 10:07 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: deal's gap closure picked this up on the wings list. Somebody better check this out. BTW, it was sent 4/1/1998, so who knows if it's real. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:08:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15833; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21277; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10147 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804011607.LAA10147@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:21 -0500 From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC Cycles , George Howell Subject: RE: deal's gap closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:57:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" But note, if you take the txwingz part out of the URL at the bottom of George's message, you get an interesting page... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: deal's gap closure Author: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] at DISAHUB Date: 4/1/98 10:07 AM picked this up on the wings list. Somebody better check this out. BTW, it was sent 4/1/1998, so who knows if it's real. -George >With all the talk about closing some National Parks to motorists I >thought this would be of interest to the list especially if you were >thinking of visiting Tennessee and South Carolina this summer to >'Drive the Dragon' aka Deal's Gap. > >From the North Carolina Robbinsville Tribune > >END OF AN ERA > >Tennessee Govenor Don Sundquist (D) and North Carolina >Governor James B. Hunt Jr.(D) made a joint announcement >this date advising the State highway Route 129 known as Deal's >Gap will be closed to all motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. > >Reading from a report by Tennesse's Transportation Commissioner >J. Bruce Saltsman Sr. and North Carolina's Department of Transport >secretary Garland B. Garrett Jr. indicating there has been too many >motorcycle accidents with resulting serious injury and death on an >eleven mile strip of Highway 129 known as Deal's Gap, the two state >legislators have agreed to closing that section of roadway to all >motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. > >Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as >"The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past >few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a >1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 >deaths in the past two years. > >The American Motorcycle Association (AMA) an association that >lobbies the government on laws pertaining to motorcyclists was >contacted and stated that they were aware that the two State >governments were thinking of taking some action to curb the loss >of life along this stretch of highway but the AMA had not been >consulted on any remedies they may wish to suggest. A spokesperson >for the AMA stated not all motorcycle drivers are running this >roadway dangerously and pointed out the statistics indicate there had >not been one large touring type motorcycle involved in a serious >accident in the past ten years. AMA stated it is considering >petitioning >the Federal Government to have the ban lifted as being >unconstitutional. > >North Carolina's Graham County Sheriff Noel T. Baker, stationed at >Robbinsville NC who has received some notoriety for ticketing >motorcyclists in the area in an attempt to slow them down stated; >"It is about time someone in the government took some action to >reduce the carnage by motorcyclists on this highway". BAKER >had been the target of a boycott by the BMW Association of America >who's members are particularly prone to run this road to see who can >do the eleven miles in the shortest period of time. BAKER, who's >unmarked police cruiser ran off the road on one of the particularly >sharp curves while pursuing a motorcyclist stated "I'm sick and tired >of having to replace police cars running off this road in pursuit of >motorcycles." > >Deal's Gap at the south end starts at a campground in North Carolina >named "The Crossroads of Time" (COT) The roadway soon enters >the state of Tennessee and continues north for approximately 11 miles >just skirting the southern boundry of the Great Smoky Mountain >National >Park. Peter Johansen owner of the COT campsite where a private club >known as the Dragons Den is located stated, "Last summer Sheriff >BAKER cancelled the beer licence of the BMWA's annual picnic on the >hottest day of the year. I sure had some hot and unhappy >motorcyclists >on my campground. Luckily I had just put in a big stock of my own >beer and I gave it to the boys, at no charge of course". > >In answer to opposing this closure by ABATE, volunteer lobbyist, >Rodney Roberts, on the grounds that it is discrimination, Governor >Sundquist stated "If you think the State Governments can not close >a roadway to a specified class of vehicles you only have to look at >Tanglewood County Park where motorcycles have been banned >for the past 35 years. If County Governments can restrict some roads >to a certain classes of vehicles while banning other classes certainly >the State Governments are also justified in doing so". Another >example >is the closing by the Federal Government of Yosemite National Park >along with some other National Parks to all motor vehicles in the year >2000. > >Honda of America's President Koichi Amemiya advised Gold Wing >motorcyclists are the safest motorcyclists on the roads due mostly >to the superior engineering that goes into their production coupled >with the fact that most Gold Wing drivers are over the age of 40. >He feels if the ban is to remain there should be some allowance given >to drivers of Gold Wing motorcycles. Amemiya stated Soichiro Honda, >founder of the Honda Motor Corporation who was a racer at one time, >was known for his research and development of the safest touring >machines in the world. > >Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists (CVCOM) president has stated >they will ignore the ban en masse and ride the Dragon on Sunday, >May 5 with intentions of starting a class action suite claiming the >American right to 'freedom to travel where ever they please'. The >Kawasaki Concours Group have stated they will be joining in with >the CVCOM to help support their action. BMW Owners of Georgia, >a motorcycle club of over 200 members have taken a collection to >help pay for any lawyers fees. > >Tennessee Tourist Development Commissioner John A Wade was >quoted as saying "It will be hard on the tourist trade in the area >which >looks forward to hosting so many motorcyclists that visit here but we >have contingincy plans to re-route any motorcyclists to the Great >Smokey Mountain roadways where there are plenty of other good >roads for motorcyclists to enjoy". > >John Bruce Saltsman Sr. Tennessee's Commissioner of transportation >said there were plans on the book to re-construct that portion of >Deal's >Gap to a controlled access multi-laned highway but that construction >was not slated until 2001. Wayne Shakelford, North Carolina's >Transportation commissioner stated " We have been considering >straightening out a few of the more dangerous curves along this >stretch >of highway but because of the mountainous topography the costs are >prohibitive at this time". > >Governor Sundquist who himself is a motorcyclist stated "Unfortunately >we are forced to ban all motorcycles and not just the crotch rockets >and rice burners that are causing all the trouble". > >End of newspaper article. > >Apparently there will be an article in the 'American Motorcyclist' >Magazine in May's issue. Look for more details in the magazine >article. > >This issue boggles the mind (at least mine). It is even more >outrageous than states like Florida permitting communities to pass >bans on cruising sailboats anchoring in their harbors. Some >communities (Puget Sound islands) have tried to ban jet-skiis from >their harbors but have lost in court. > >Now please don't shoot the messenger. For further information >there is more about this road closure on >http://www.dallas.net/~jsides/txwingz/dealsgap.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:08:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15836; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21276; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10154 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA14309; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:06:16 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570BD6@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Top Speed... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:07:12 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Well, I just may have to take you up on that...in a couple years!! ; ) I've always had dreams of being Speed Racer, but on a bike! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 11:48 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Top Speed... > > Take it to the TRACK! you hellion you.. :P (P.S. - mine did an > indicated > 130) And you shouldn't be refering to yourself as a newbie anymore.. > you've already done more miles and 10 RUBS would in a year, and most > fair-weather riders do in a summer.. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:11:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15861; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21435; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:10:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10213 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVCPJR0T9S8ZJO9A@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:06:45 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:02:49 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:02:49 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:02:17 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: Re: deal's gap closure To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:02:18 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1136IHW2DI13 X400-MTS-identifier: [;94201110408991/2488637@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Never been to the stretch, but seen a few pics... average speed of 60 >is the best that's been pulled??? How is this stretch compared to 211 >and 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, >what??) Last time I ran 211 I was poking along waiting for some other >fellas, but I checked the speedo at 65 in several curves.. much higher >in the brief straights... I've never been to Deals Gap either but I've been to plenty of similar spots. Deals Gap sounds like an extended version of the short stretch of tight twisties on US250 (which parallels US33, just to the south). 33 would probably be considered medium sweepers and 211 has pretty wide open sweepers comparatively. Sweepers don't go down in my book as being tight (also, sweepers happen to be the type of corner I'm the worst at, probably because of the sheer speeds you're able to attain and the lack of on street practice I've given them because of this). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:11:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15875; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21487; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10237 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:10:32 -0500 (EST) X-ROUTED: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:12:18 -0500 Received: from WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL [160.151.107.198] by dclink.com with smtp id ALALDKEN ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:12:00 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: deal's gap closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:15:14 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd5d89$5a540380$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Wow, using descriptions like crotch rockets and especially "rice burner" has got to be a nightmare for the politically correct! That's too funny! Jay -----Original Message----- >From: sward@XXXXXX To: Jaynik Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 11:04 AM Subject: Re: deal's gap closure > >On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, George Howell wrote: > >snip snip ... > >> >sharp curves while pursuing a motorcyclist stated "I'm sick and tired >> >of having to replace police cars running off this road in pursuit of >> >motorcycles." >[...] >> >Governor Sundquist who himself is a motorcyclist stated "Unfortunately >> >we are forced to ban all motorcycles and not just the crotch rockets >> >and rice burners that are causing all the trouble". > >ROFL! > >-- >David Sward sward@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:12:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15894; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:12:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21580; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10270 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:11:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804011611.LAA10270@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:11:08 -0500 From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'George Howell'" , DC Cycles , "O'Brien, Jeannette " Subject: RE: Top Speed... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:05:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain What's that poem about a guy with a girlfriend named Ruth? Something about "hit a bump at 95 and rode on ruthlessly"? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Top Speed... Author: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] at DISAHUB Date: 4/1/98 9:39 AM Speaking of ignorant, Tom & I were acting a bit like squids last night racing some guy (well, he was the one doing the successful portion of the racing, my bike can't keep up with a ZX6) and the guy who was attempting to keep up with Tom had a girl on the back (pillion) in short sleeves and shorts! The look of terror in her eyes made me feel a bit bad for her. What's some guy doing racing like that with an exposed pillion? hmmm - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 11:12 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Top Speed... > > > > Awfully ignorant of him driving that fast with his kid in the car. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > -George Howell AMA#553567 > ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 > georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:16:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15930; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21745; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10339 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:14:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id LAA06377; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:14:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35226854.F6DE4FD0@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:16:20 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: deal's gap closure References: <352260BD.D88B9E9A@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have ridden the gap 10 times and and maybe shifted into 3rd once per run. It takes me about 17 min to do the run. It is hard to do it with out getting a car in front of you. Last time I was down there (September) the record was held by a local boy on a newish TZ250 and they blocked off the road for him. Jay ZX9R Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > It must be an April Fools joke!!! Some of the BMW's are quick, but if a > Beemer can pull 12 minutes, any properly set up CBR (6 or 9), GSXR, or > several others, with the right rider should be able to do every bit as > much if not better. > (just kidding guys.. don't beat up on me) > Never been to the stretch, but seen a few pics... average speed of 60 is > the best that's been pulled??? How is this stretch compared to 211 and > 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, what??) > Last time I ran 211 I was poking along waiting for some other fellas, > but I checked the speedo at 65 in several curves.. much higher in the > brief straights... > > If this is a true report, it really sucks... No reason that they can't > ban motorcycles though.. they do similar things for other classes of > vehicles. And since it's all m/c not just sport bikes, they will have > a much stronger position in court...I'm betting that if those two groups > get a lawsuit going, they'll manage to get a temporary injunction on the > ban.. that'll give me a chance to go see it :) > > Collin > (looking for his nomex suit to dodge george, harry, and all the other > beemer riders :)) > > George Howell wrote: > > > >Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as > > >"The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past > > >few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a > > >1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 > > >deaths in the past two years. > > -- > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:18:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15942; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21977; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10419 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:17:11 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565D9.0059C6C6 ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:20:35 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: gixer@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565D9.00589048.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:20:31 -0400 Subject: Re: deal's gap closure Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII How is this stretch compared to 211 and 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, what??) Everything is much tighter, narrower and shorter. The corners are much tighter. The street is much narrower. And the straights are much shorter. I doubt most people could get much above 65 on the straights because the next corner is coming up so fast. Some of the corners are so off camber you would swear you were riding on the sidewalls. It would be easy to come down with a case of motion sickness riding this road. Fortunately I don't get motions sickness, so all it gave me was a terminal case of smiles. John Weinstein hosted a visitor from England (Karl Milliard) for a motorcycle vacation last fall. We took him down there and his description of the road was "best road on the planet". I sure hope this is all just an April fools joke. It would be a real shame to lose access to this marvelous piece of roadway. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:22:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15998; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:22:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22224; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:21:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (known sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10501 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA03517 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:21:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca007.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.78]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA06679 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:21:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA007 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:21:47 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B47@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'motolist@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Closure (long) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:21:33 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain This is an April Fool's day Joke! The web page at the bottom does work ... it says that you have been had. --chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: A01LRL3@XXXXXX[SMTP:A01LRL3@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 9:52 AM > To: Cybertwisties at your fingertips > Subject: Deal's Gap Closure (long) > > > > > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:07:36 -0600 > > From: "Norm & Kay Hustad" > > Subject: [Wings] Deal's Gap Closure > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:33:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16189; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:33:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22669; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:32:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10811 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2A0V5GHZ>; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:30:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Jinn Sinn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: So, what exactly is the "merge lane"? Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:30:59 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Actually, a guy on the MR2 list just wrote in that someone on the Autobahn was going slow in the left lane. He flashed to pass and the in front of him slammed on the brakes. We told him it sounded like someone in the states was driving that vehicle. I guess there are aholes everywhere. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > have two choices, either speed up so the car doesn't "catch" you, or move back > into the right lane (where, by the way, others drivers will make room for you > to get in) and believe it or not, EVERYONE follows these rules! there are very > few accidents (although because of the speeds involved the accidents are often > fatal) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:38:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16276; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22845; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:37:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known welchlink.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11012 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-218-244.pitb.grid.net [207.205.218.244]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA14765 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:37:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980401113858.006a1a64@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:38:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Deal's Gap Closure - NOT! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FYI, from the BMW list: If you visit the web site in the msg you've been reading, claiming that Deal's Gap has been closed to motorcycles, you'll see the following: Prankly Speaking .... YOU'VE BEEN HAD! APRIL FOOL The PhanTom has struck again. With the help of Norm Hustad and Jack Sides we hope you have enjoyed this April Fool prank in an effort to bring a smile to your face on this April the First. Now don't get mad, get even. Post a message to the WOTI list expressing indignation and disgust at Government intervention into our private lives. Add a little spice to the prank and see how far it goes. Sometime after 12 o'clock noon Pacific time we will be posting a message to the WOTI list advising that it was all just an April Fool's prank. Don't go spoiling it for others and letting the WOTI list know it is just a prank. I couldn't post the prank as you would have recognized it right away by my signature. Do I get the 1998 WOTI BAFPA (Best April Fool's Prank Award) ? If so it is a shared award this year with Norm and Jack. Regards, PhanTom in Beautiful British Columbia Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:49:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16583; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23709; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11564 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:48:40 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA03819 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:48:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199804011648.AA03819@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:48:59 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:48:59 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:48:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:47:14 -0500 Subject: Re: deal's gap closure To: gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <352260BD.D88B9E9A@geocities.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME I seriously doubt this is real...no govt weenie is going to call bikes "crotch rockets" or "rice burners".. -aki > It must be an April Fools joke!!! Some of the BMW's are quick, but if a > Beemer can pull 12 minutes, any properly set up CBR (6 or 9), GSXR, or > several others, with the right rider should be able to do every bit as > much if not better. > (just kidding guys.. don't beat up on me) > Never been to the stretch, but seen a few pics... average speed of 60 is > the best that's been pulled??? How is this stretch compared to 211 and > 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, what??) > Last time I ran 211 I was poking along waiting for some other fellas, > but I checked the speedo at 65 in several curves.. much higher in the > brief straights... > > If this is a true report, it really sucks... No reason that they can't > ban motorcycles though.. they do similar things for other classes of > vehicles. And since it's all m/c not just sport bikes, they will have > a much stronger position in court...I'm betting that if those two groups > get a lawsuit going, they'll manage to get a temporary injunction on the > ban.. that'll give me a chance to go see it :) > > Collin > (looking for his nomex suit to dodge george, harry, and all the other > beemer riders :)) > > George Howell wrote: > > > >Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as > > >"The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past > > >few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a > > >1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 > > >deaths in the past two years. > > -- > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:55:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16706; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:55:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24099; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:54:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11728 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:53:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA15250; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA25772; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980401165319.BZMM18677@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:53:19 -0600 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:52 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: deal's gap closure X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980401165319.BZMM18677@[166.41.242.141]> The closure is a hoax. As for the stretch of road that is Deal's Gap, Kirk comes close to describing it. I've run it about 4 times and found it very exhausting. Ok, I'm pushing a monster through the corners, but really it is very challenging. There is never more than 75 feet of straight anywhere allong the 11mile stretch. Constant, narrow cornering with plenty of mogular bumpity bump activity thrown in just to make your ass cheeks suck up some more underwear =:0 A Lot of fun Collin and all. Gotta get down there. Todd >Never been to the stretch, but seen a few pics... average speed of 60 >is the best that's been pulled??? How is this stretch compared to 211 >and 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, >what??) Last time I ran 211 I was poking along waiting for some other >fellas, but I checked the speedo at 65 in several curves.. much higher >in the brief straights... I've never been to Deals Gap either but I've been to plenty of similar spots. Deals Gap sounds like an extended version of the short stretch of tight twisties on US250 (which parallels US33, just to the south). 33 would probably be considered medium sweepers and 211 has pretty wide open sweepers comparatively. Sweepers don't go down in my book as being tight (also, sweepers happen to be the type of corner I'm the worst at, probably because of the sheer speeds you're able to attain and the lack of on street practice I've given them because of this). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:58:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16736; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24278; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known [205.215.54.51] [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11917 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA27131 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:58:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3522718A.DAA94AD7@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:55:38 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: deal's gap closure References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The URL was wrong. Here it is http://www.dallas.net/~jsides/dealsgap.html Leon. tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Decided to e-mail the TN governor and the guy from Texas Wingz since the > URL doesn't exist on his web page - > ---------- > From: George Howell[SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 10:07 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: deal's gap closure > > picked this up on the wings list. Somebody better check this out. BTW, it > was sent 4/1/1998, so who knows if it's real. > > -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 11:59:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16833; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:59:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24334; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12029 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA27195; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:00:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3522720B.CA680635@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:57:47 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan, Michael" CC: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Re: Leon Begeman's web page References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Michael, 1000 miles is a long distance to go in 24 hours on any number of wheels. With some planning and practice (and luck and money), things that appear to be impossible are not necessarily so. Leon. Jordan, Michael wrote: > > For those of you who haven't seen this: > > http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider > > Made the trip into work worthwhile just to see this today. > > Thanks, Leon > > Michael (firmly put in his place for actually using a motorcycle to do > his SS1K) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 12:59:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18418; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25834; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (known sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15126 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA09629 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca007.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.78]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA12284 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA007 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:57:50 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B4A@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: This could be fun ... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:57:34 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Anybody have any experience with this product? It is supposed to measure 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, etc. Check out ---> http://www.gtechpro.com/ Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 13:13:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18740; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26486; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.40]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15795 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1RWLa14967 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:11:14 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: <44f7a2f2.35228344@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:11:14 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re:Mounting Party Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Hey, just wondering if this is still going on with the storms and all that are on the way. If so, can someone send me directions to leon's again. I would just like to meet some people from the list. Sean Ride Free CBR600F2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 13:34:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19317; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26860; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16658 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A7F22D40262; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 13:31:14 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980401133045.00fa2960@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 13:30:45 -0500 To: "'DC-Cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Leon Begeman's web page In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I want to see the Iron Butt tag installed on the moped! Chris Norloff ******************************************************** At 06:27 AM 4/1/98 -0800, Jordan, Michael wrote: >For those of you who haven't seen this: > >http://www.illuminet.net/~mrider > >Made the trip into work worthwhile just to see this today. > >Thanks, Leon > >Michael (firmly put in his place for actually using a motorcycle to do >his SS1K) J. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 13:53:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19798; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27192; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:52:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17528 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD5D74.9DB5AA80@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:46:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'jay goddard'" , "'Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: deal's gap closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:46:45 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Last I heard it was the TZ that was holding the record. My .02 -Tom >-----Original Message----- >From: jay goddard [SMTP:goddardj@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 11:16 AM >To: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) >Cc: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: deal's gap closure > >I have ridden the gap 10 times and and maybe shifted into 3rd once per run. >It takes me about 17 min to do the run. It is hard to do it with out >getting a car in front of you. Last time I was down there (September) the >record was held by a local boy on a newish TZ250 and they blocked off the >road for him. > >Jay >ZX9R > >Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > >> It must be an April Fools joke!!! Some of the BMW's are quick, but if a >> Beemer can pull 12 minutes, any properly set up CBR (6 or 9), GSXR, or >> several others, with the right rider should be able to do every bit as >> much if not better. >> (just kidding guys.. don't beat up on me) >> Never been to the stretch, but seen a few pics... average speed of 60 is >> the best that's been pulled??? How is this stretch compared to 211 and >> 33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, what??) >> Last time I ran 211 I was poking along waiting for some other fellas, >> but I checked the speedo at 65 in several curves.. much higher in the >> brief straights... >> >> If this is a true report, it really sucks... No reason that they can't >> ban motorcycles though.. they do similar things for other classes of >> vehicles. And since it's all m/c not just sport bikes, they will have >> a much stronger position in court...I'm betting that if those two groups >> get a lawsuit going, they'll manage to get a temporary injunction on the >> ban.. that'll give me a chance to go see it :) >> >> Collin >> (looking for his nomex suit to dodge george, harry, and all the other >> beemer riders :)) >> >> George Howell wrote: >> >> > >Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as >> > >"The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past >> > >few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a >> > >1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 >> > >deaths in the past two years. >> >> -- >> _________________________________________ >> Collin and Penny Fagan >> LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard >> (202) 366-0067 (work) >> (703) 356-4279 (home) >> ICQ UIN: 435732 >> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >> (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 14:04:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19956; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27567; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:02:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17837 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA23445 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:55:07 -0800 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:01:37 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:02:47 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: hgg@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Top Speed... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline "Yer awful purty, boy . . ." >>> "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." - 3/31/98 11:40 PM >>> At 11:11 PM 3/31/98 -0500, George Howell wrote: >What did the officer say when he verified your speed? I have to say that when I was riding my ZX-11, my biggest fear was not crashing or dying, but of being arrested and locked in a prison in West Virginia wearing a white leather suit. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 14:30:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20448; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:30:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28149; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:28:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from NORCOM2.NORCOM.NET (known norcom2.norcom.net [207.238.14.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18642 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:28:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by norcom2.norcom.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:32:35 -0500 Message-ID: <816B10A8C89FD011AE0700A0C92C8CFF112B2E@norcom2.norcom.net> From: Oswald Maseda To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Is there a News Group for this mail list? Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:32:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 14:55:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21012; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28383; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:54:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19760 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA23764 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:46:25 -0800 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:53:03 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:53:59 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, merscht@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: RE: deal's gap closure -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline THIS JUST IN: >Winnebago Industries of Iowa's President John K. Hanson advised Winnebago >motor home drivers are the safest drivers on the roads due mostly >to the superior engineering that goes into their production coupled >with the fact that most Winnebago drivers are over the age of 60. >He feels if the ban is to remain there should be some allowance given >to drivers of Winnebago >motor homes. Hanson, founder of Winnebago Industries who was a camper at one time, >was known for his research and development of the safest queen bed-equipped vehicles in the world. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 15:08:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21548; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28624; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20501 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id PAA19393; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:05:03 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570BE6@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'JOE NAGY'" , hgg@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Top Speed... -Reply Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:05:49 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain "yur gunna do some prayin' fur me, boy & you better pray REAL GOOD." > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 2:03 PM > To: hgg@XXXXXX; ghowell@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Top Speed... -Reply > > "Yer awful purty, boy . . ." > > >>> "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." - 3/31/98 11:40 PM > >>> > At 11:11 PM 3/31/98 -0500, George Howell wrote: > >What did the officer say when he verified your speed? > > I have to say that when I was riding my ZX-11, my biggest fear was > not > crashing or dying, but of being arrested and locked in a prison in > West > Virginia wearing a white leather suit. > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 15:25:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22035; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28791; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21281 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Wed Apr 1 14:24 CST 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id OAA18811 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:24:18 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5D82.330A8120@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:24:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Deal's Gap Closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:24:01 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I won't post the article from the Gold Wing riders' list because someone else probably will, but I thought everyone should be aware that RT. 129 will be closed to ALL motorcyclist's. I found the comments about Rice burners and the like to be quite offensive. Had the Police officer been quoted saying such things about a specific racial group, there would be hell to pay. I think he should have hell to pay and we should give it to him. I have not had the opportunity to ride the "Dragon" but, to close a public road that I pay taxes for is IMO unconstitutional. Thanks for letting me vent. Anyone who wants a copy of the e-mailed article let me know. Closure date is listed as April 30, 1998. (Hopefully this isn't some sort of sick April fool's joke) Later . . . John Carver '98 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 16:52:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23891; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29843; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24669 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28757; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from leon-at-home (cust018.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.18]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA03679 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:53:34 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980401214636.0066ebc0@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 16:46:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Mounting Party I'm home, it looks like the tire changing will happen. Leon. At 16:38 1-04-98 EST, Sean wrote: >Im running late.. but Im leaving now. I live in annapolis, so Im anticipating >a 1hr long ride... maybe more with traffic. I'll see you all in a few. > >Sean >Ride Free >CBR600F2 > > Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 16:57:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23982; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00133; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:56:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24874 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:56:32 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA20496 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:57:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199804012157.AA20496@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:57:07 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:57:07 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:57:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:54:31 -0500 Subject: Bike Blown Up by Police.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Ok..has the Horkster gone and left one of his bikes lying around again? ;-) -aki ************************************************************ *** Prince Charles security scare claims motorcycle Police Wednesday blew up a suspect motorcycle outside a venue in central London where Prince Charles, Britain's heir to the throne, had been due to attend a function. Police said they carried out a controlled explosion outside Marlborough House, headquarters of the Commonwealth, after evacuating the area. The building is opposite Charles's residence in St. James's Palace. Police said the motorcyle had looked suspicious and police were unable to trace the license plate. When they examined it later, however, they found no explosives. Charles, 49, arrived more than an hour late and joked about the delay. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2553574909-ed2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 16:59:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23997; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00234; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:58:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24962 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09533; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:58:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3522E37E.6266@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 17:01:50 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Dillon Subject: WHOA! No more Deals Gap! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, Dr. John (the day-tripper) posted this to the CAMS list. Man what bad news! >From the North Carolina Robbinsville Tribune END OF AN ERA Tennessee Govenor Don Sundquist (D) and North Carolina Governor James B. Hunt Jr.(D) made a joint announcement this date advising the State highway Route 129 known as Deal's Gap will be closed to all motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. Reading from a report by Tennesse's Transportation Commissioner J. Bruce Saltsman Sr. and North Carolina's Department of Transport secretary Garland B. Garrett Jr. indicating there has been too many motorcycle accidents with resulting serious injury and death on an eleven mile strip of Highway 129 known as Deal's Gap, the two state legislators have agreed to closing that section of roadway to all motorcyclists effective April 30, l998. Motorcyclists apparently trying to run what has become known as "The Dragon," an eleven mile strip with 318 curves over the past few years have been trying to beat the 12 minute record set by a 1995 BMW. Accidents involving motorcycles has resulted in 18 deaths in the past two years. The American Motorcycle Association (AMA) an association that lobbies the government on laws pertaining to motorcyclists was contacted and stated that they were aware that the two State governments were thinking of taking some action to curb the loss of life along this stretch of highway but the AMA had not been consulted on any remedies they may wish to suggest. A spokesperson for the AMA stated not all motorcycle drivers are running this roadway dangerously and pointed out the statistics indicate there had not been one large touring type motorcycle involved in a serious accident in the past ten years. AMA stated it is considering petitioning the Federal Government to have the ban lifted as being unconstitutional. North Carolina's Graham County Sheriff Noel T. Baker, stationed at Robbinsville NC who has received some notoriety for ticketing motorcyclists in the area in an attempt to slow them down stated; "It is about time someone in the government took some action to reduce the carnage by motorcyclists on this highway". BAKER had been the target of a boycott by the BMW Association of America who's members are particularly prone to run this road to see who can do the eleven miles in the shortest period of time. BAKER, who's unmarked police cruiser ran off the road on one of the particularly sharp curves while pursuing a motorcyclist stated "I'm sick and tired of having to replace police cars running off this road in pursuit of motorcycles." Deal's Gap at the south end starts at a campground in North Carolina named "The Crossroads of Time" (COT) The roadway soon enters the state of Tennessee and continues north for approximately 11 miles just skirting the southern boundry of the Great Smoky Mountain National Park. Peter Johansen owner of the COT campsite where a private club known as the Dragons Den is located stated, "Last summer Sheriff BAKER cancelled the beer licence of the BMWA's annual picnic on the hottest day of the year. I sure had some hot and unhappy motorcyclists on my campground. Luckily I had just put in a big stock of my own beer and I gave it to the boys, at no charge of course". In answer to opposing this closure by ABATE, volunteer lobbyist, Rodney Roberts, on the grounds that it is discrimination, Governor Sundquist stated "If you think the State Governments can not close a roadway to a specified class of vehicles you only have to look at Tanglewood County Park where motorcycles have been banned for the past 35 years. If County Governments can restrict some roads to a certain classes of vehicles while banning other classes certainly the State Governments are also justified in doing so". Another example is the closing by the Federal Government of Yosemite National Park along with some other National Parks to all motor vehicles in the year 2000. Honda of America's President Koichi Amemiya advised Gold Wing motorcyclists are the safest motorcyclists on the roads due mostly to the superior engineering that goes into their production coupled with the fact that most Gold Wing drivers are over the age of 40. He feels if the ban is to remain there should be some allowance given to drivers of Gold Wing motorcycles. Amemiya stated Soichiro Honda, founder of the Honda Motor Corporation who was a racer at one time, was known for his research and development of the safest touring machines in the world. Virginia Coalition of Motorcyclists (CVCOM) president has stated they will ignore the ban en masse and ride the Dragon on Sunday, May 5 with intentions of starting a class action suite claiming the American right to 'freedom to travel where ever they please'. The Kawasaki Concours Group have stated they will be joining in with the CVCOM to help support their action. BMW Owners of Georgia, a motorcycle club of over 200 members have taken a collection to help pay for any lawyers fees. Tennessee Tourist Development Commissioner John A Wade was quoted as saying "It will be hard on the tourist trade in the area which looks forward to hosting so many motorcyclists that visit here but we have contingincy plans to re-route any motorcyclists to the Great Smokey Mountain roadways where there are plenty of other good roads for motorcyclists to enjoy". John Bruce Saltsman Sr. Tennessee's Commissioner of transportation said there were plans on the book to re-construct that portion of Deal's Gap to a controlled access multi-laned highway but that construction was not slated until 2001. Wayne Shakelford, North Carolina's Transportation commissioner stated " We have been considering straightening out a few of the more dangerous curves along this stretch of highway but because of the mountainous topography the costs are prohibitive at this time". Governor Sundquist who himself is a motorcyclist stated "Unfortunately we are forced to ban all motorcycles and not just the crotch rockets and rice burners that are causing all the trouble". -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 17:13:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24202; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00609; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:11:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25402 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5D91.0CF7F620@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:10:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , , , , , Subject: FW: Check the validity of your Unix System ... Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:10:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 12 TEXT Don't know if you all have UNIX or not.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi All, Some versions of UNIX have been found unable to process pseudo-complex mathematical notations. Try this command on your UNIX prompt to check the validity of your system. echo '82 43/25 43+65P80P82P73P76P32P70P79P79P76P10P' | dc From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 17:15:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24230; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:15:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00657; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25484 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5D91.5BAA7220@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:12:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: Deal's Gap Closure Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:12:30 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 17 TEXT Been out for the afternoon - you all been busy today. Here from WingZ in TX. He sent me the correct URL and so has Leon. Haven't heard from the governor - might get arrested for sending it to him to begin with. If he has any sense of humor, he'll just chuckle and send me some generic bogus e-mail. Tracy Tracy Horstman UNIX System Admin Lockheed Martin Mission Systems 9255 Wellington Road Manassas, VA 20110 Phone: (703) 367-2981 Fax: (703) 367-1392 E-mail: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 17:25:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24427; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00775; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25681 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:23:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1QDa020221 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:23:02 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <18bb7972.3522be48@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:23:02 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fame? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Cyber Cycle magazine wrote about me. Woo-hoo. Is this fame or what? http://www.cybercyclemag.com/leatherex.html Colleen ps: We still have a room for rent. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 18:53:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26265; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01325; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:52:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28438 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:52:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-219-198.pitb.grid.net [207.205.219.198]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA17897; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:51:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980401185343.006a66c4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 18:53:43 -0500 To: sbeck@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Deal's Gap Cc: gixer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <852565D9.00589048.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Regarding Deal's Gap, At 11:20 AM 4/1/98 -0400, sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: >>How is this stretch compared to 211 and >>33 (I mean.. are the corners the same type or tighter or wider, what??) > >Everything is much tighter, narrower and shorter. The corners are much >tighter. The street is much narrower. And the straights are much shorter. >It would be easy to come down with a case of motion sickness riding this >road. Steve put it well. I have a few photos of it on http://www.greenspun.com/harry/asheville.htm . I rarely got out of second gear and took many turns in first. This was riding hard without any traffic. By my second run, unlike Steve, though, I was ready to puke, so I pulled over and took more pictures. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 1 19:19:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26931; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01498; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29853 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-219-198.pitb.grid.net [207.205.219.198]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA23803 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:18:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980401191937.006a933c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 19:19:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: More bad news for speeders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Driving back from Baltimore this afternoon, I saw a guy pulled over by a trooper in an unmarked blue Monte Carlo!! He was just pulling back into traffic moments after turning his flashing lights off, when an unsuspecting motorist blew by him and found himself parked on the opposite shoulder. You know, just when I could spot a Caprice or Crown Vic from any angle, day or night, they go and do something like this. What's next, '72 Pintos? Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 00:14:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00994; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04310; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06005 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:13:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:12:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: deal's gap closure Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 00:14:03 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "jay goddard" , "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I have ridden the gap 10 times and and maybe shifted into 3rd once per run. >It takes me about 17 min to do the run. It is hard to do it with out >getting a car in front of you. Last time I was down there (September) the >record was held by a local boy on a newish TZ250 and they blocked off the >road for him. See, it's that big, heavy ZX9. You need a nice, svelte R1100RT to get down to 12 minutes. That plus fifty of NC's finest behind you:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 00:14:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00997; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:14:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04315; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06009 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:12:03 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: deal's gap closure Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 00:14:06 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Decided to e-mail the TN governor and the guy from Texas Wingz since the >URL doesn't exist on his web page - will keep you up to date if I hear >anything - probably just April Fools i figured (prayed) it was April Fools when I read it. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 00:14:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01003; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04307; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:13:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06000 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:11:57 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHOA! No more Deals Gap! Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 00:13:59 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "John C. Kozyn" , "dc-cycles" cc: "Dillon" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Dr. John (the day-tripper) posted this to the CAMS list. Man what bad >news! My, how fast news travels on the Internet. Everyone realizes, of course, that the subject of the 'Deal's Gap Closing' will circulate certain NGs and mailing lists for as long as reports of the Good Times Virus. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 00:35:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01265; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04733; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:34:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06361 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:34:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA28407; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:34:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35234E84.7182@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:38:28 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: WHOA! No more Deals Gap! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > My, how fast news travels on the Internet. Everyone realizes, of course, > that the subject of the 'Deal's Gap Closing' will circulate certain NGs > and mailing lists for as long as reports of the Good Times Virus. Being taken in by this (quite clever) prank along with several others, I think the subject's death will happily be far shorter. The very idea of GTV was germane to all NGs and listservs, erroneous as it may have been. Deals Gap is only germane to motorcyclists. Hope this helps. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 00:48:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01319; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04814; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:47:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06530 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02045; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from leon-at-home (cust010.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.10]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA17604 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:50:02 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980402054305.0067bc7c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:43:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Tire changing party The tire changing party was a mixed success. Roy (CBR600) got one of the two tires he brought changed. Jay (FZR) was 0 for 2, but he did manage to get both his bike and the tires here (of course he forgot to send the tires home, so I've still got them). Sean (CBR 600) got both tires changed but when we put the front tire back on there was a spacer missing (see final paragraph). Todd (ST1100), Linda (CBR600) and Louis (Concours) came by to insure there was at least some adult supervision, but left when the weather threatened to make us all wet. The whole Horkster clan stopped by, Dale (Concours) with the newest bike in the group and Tracy (Big Chrysler) with the official DC cycles to Deal's Gap chase cage. Ursulina came with Collin in his truck. Her job was to insure sure we could name all the parts we were handling and to quiz us on various aspects of the design and use thereof. And now for the solution to the missing spacer. . . after giving it some thought, (and after I've got the CBR600 safely stashed away in my garage) I suspect that it never existed in the first place. If we were to take the spacer from the left side, install it on the right, then slide the axle further to the right, the shoulder on the axle would make contact with the wheel bearing and allow both ends of the axle to be flush with the outside edges of the forks, then the nut wouldn't pull the right fork into the brake disk. With the spacer on the right side where the axle has no shoulder, it will keep the wheel centered and everything will work just fine. What say Collin or any CBR600 owner? Is this possible? Is there only a spacer on the right side of the front wheel on the CBR600? Were the 5 of us really dumb enough to make such a silly mistake? Stay tuned for more adventures . . . Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 07:14:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04290; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06842; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10901 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from krosenba.erols.com (207-172-73-71.s8.as2.man.erols.com [207.172.73.71]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA11238 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:13:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980402070637.007cc400@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: krosenba@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 07:06:37 -0500 To: "DC Cycles" From: Karl Rosenbaum Subject: Re: deal's gap closure In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:14 AM 04/02/1998 -0500, George Howell wrote: >>I have ridden the gap 10 times and and maybe shifted into 3rd once per run. >>It takes me about 17 min to do the run. It is hard to do it with out >>getting a car in front of you. Last time I was down there (September) the >>record was held by a local boy on a newish TZ250 and they blocked off the >>road for him. > >See, it's that big, heavy ZX9. You need a nice, svelte R1100RT to get >down to 12 minutes. That plus fifty of NC's finest behind you:) George, Believe it or not, the BMW that was referred to was a R1100GS! I was real surprised at how that bike handles until I rode one about 3 weeks ago. Karl Rosenbaum 94 BMW K1100 LT-A Woodbridge, VA http://www.erols.com/krosenba From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 07:17:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04312; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06860; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:16:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10931 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from krosenba.erols.com (207-172-73-71.s8.as2.man.erols.com [207.172.73.71]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA11821 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:16:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980402070858.007cf320@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: krosenba@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 07:08:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Karl Rosenbaum Subject: Re: Herndon Police Poker Run In-Reply-To: <199803251919.AA00143@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <19980325144419.UAWX27632@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:17 PM 03/25/1998 -0500, aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > Herndon Police Poker Run for '98 Announced > The Herndon Police Department is holding their annual poker run on June 6th. > Registration will be from 8:30am to 11am. Included in the registration fee of > $15 are lunch, beverages, one door prize, and a poker hand. It looks likely > that Lone Star Steakhouse will be on hand again for fixing up great burgers, > but if they don't come then the Tortilla Factory will provide the meal. The > last bike will return by 3pm. Trophies will be awarded to the highest hands > in the three catagories of rider, co-rider, and biggest club. Proceeds from > the event will be split between the Hospice of Northern Virginia and the > Fraternal Order of Police. Got this note a few weeks ago, and have been meaning to ask if the start location was at the PD in Herndon. I have not gone to it in the past. Karl Rosenbaum 94 BMW K1100 LT-A Woodbridge, VA http://www.erols.com/krosenba From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 08:39:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05146; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07330; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:38:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11989 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 08:30:11 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 08:38:21 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tire Mounting Party Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline The good news is my tires are mounted, the bad news is I had to leave the bike at Leon's. This will be too brief since I have to run, but I would like to thank Leon for his know-how, the use of his tools and garage and his willingness to host the tire mounting party. I am also thankful to all the other people who helped me wrestle with the bike -- Jay, Collin, Sean P., Todd, Linda and Roy, who was also changing tires on his F3. Ursulina, Leon, Jay and Collin also helped look for the front wheel spacer late into the night after we had eaten a pizza and thought the bike was done. Despite their above and beyond effort, we didn't find it and the bike had to stay where it was. Collin and Ursulina delivered me home to D.C. Even with my losing the spacer, I had a great time. Met a bunch more people from the list. Got to see Leon's famous moped and John Deere Kawasaki. Saw Dale's new Concours. And I learned a lot about what to do and what not to do in changing my tires. Sean Sullivan '95 F3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 08:41:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05156; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:41:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07377; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:40:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (known m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12031 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA23411 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:30:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:30:43 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: Downsizing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII sucks... and I'm now jobless. I became a statistic today, one of 10 persons who had their jobs eliminated by a company who feels they are spending to mmuch on customer support. Oh, the products we sold/supported were for the hospitality industry BTW - how ironic. Anyone know of any computer jobs for an untrained, uneducated, motorcyclist? I'll even shave my beard and cut my hair - with considerations to wearing a suit. sigh Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 85 XT250 (street/dirt) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) 83 CB1100f RIP - 86 VF500f RIP- next? www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 08:43:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05171; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:43:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07398; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:42:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12055 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from erols.com (207-172-143-143.s16.as2.hgt.erols.com [207.172.143.143]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04258; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:42:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35239650.75C8EE01@erols.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 08:44:48 -0500 From: Darren Reply-To: dsecars@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More bad news for speeders References: <3.0.1.32.19980401191937.006a933c@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > Driving back from Baltimore this afternoon, I saw a guy pulled over by a > trooper in an unmarked blue Monte Carlo!! He was just pulling back into > traffic moments after turning his flashing lights off, when an unsuspecting > motorist blew by him and found himself parked on the opposite shoulder. > You know, just when I could spot a Caprice or Crown Vic from any angle, > day or night, they go and do something like this. What's next, '72 Pintos? > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > "The more you live, the less you die." Start to watch out now for all the cars like Taurus, Monte carlo, llumina and the like b/c of GM's d/c of the large car rwd platform the PD's will be forced to buy the next smaller car.And there are lots of choices. Here in WV the state has a Ford Expedition. Darren From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 08:44:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05181; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07402; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12076 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA14728 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:42:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv1-19.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.51) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma014713; Thu Apr 2 07:42:13 1998 Message-ID: <35231FFA.6F54@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 21:19:54 -0800 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Day off, going riding Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Short notice, but I took the day off and am headed out. Will be making a run up to Chambersburg to Gettysburg, then down to Frederick. Short notice but ill check email at 0900 if anyone wants to meet somewhere, otherwise Enjoy!! hehe;) -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:02:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05475; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07604; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:01:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net (known zip1.ziplink.net [206.15.168.18]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12614 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA14075; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:02:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:02:56 -0500 (EST) From: Julie and/or Mark Holm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: "Mark S. Holm" Subject: What happened with Herndon Cycle Sports. In-Reply-To: <199804020000.TAA01373@tove.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm sure you folks are wondering what happened with Herndon Cycle Sports and my bike. I wanted to let you know, but have been busy. I sent the letter that I quoted in this maillist and received a response about a week later (last Thursday.) My husband, unfortunately, has the letter in his office so I cannot tell you word for word what it says. I'll get it and scan it into my computer this weekend and post in on the list then (after all the list may be shorter this weekend, given the expected weather.) Essentially, they said that they could not accept responsibility; that their mechanic had many years of experience, and that my speculations about the possible cause of the problem were coming from amateur mechanics. Nonetheless as a customer service gesture, they offered to pay for the repairs to the bike. We picked it up for no charge on Friday. They did not offer to pay for the windshield, which I had already ordered and paid for. It is in, and Mark (my husband) feels strongly that they should pay for it, so at this point we're in sort of a holding pattern. The head mechanic suggested that we talk to the owner personally, but he evidently keeps regular business hours, and as I work in the district, my ability to get out there to talk to him at that time is essentially nonexistant. Mark may go out an talk to him (he works in Reston) but has not yet. The bike is in fine mechanical shape right now and the brakes work fine. HCS could find nothing wrong with them. My feelings are, that whatever may have happened, we didn't dream this scenario up; that there was something wrong with the brakes when we rode out of the parking lot almost 3 weeks ago, and that this caused my husband's accident. My husband has been riding for 25 years, never had a fall on the street before (he had one as a young man on dirt) and that as he fell at 5MPH in a parking lot, where there was no hazard, nothing on the road, clearly indicates that there was a mechanical problem. Anyway, that is what happened. For us, neither completely satisfactory nor completely unsatisfactory. I suspect we will cancel the windshield and buy it elsewhere. But I'm sure that pressure on HCS from DC-Cycles is unwarranted, as they did repaire the bike for free, and I am certain that their denial of responsibility is something they have to do to protect themselves (after all, if they admitted responsibility, we might be after them in a lawsuit, waving their letter! They don't know that we don't wish to do that.) Anyway I do want to point out that the manager of the service department was really good with us. He dealt with us well when we were a little angry, and in a tough situation and remained friendly and very nice. It could have been really nasty, but did not, and I place the credit for this on him. This attitude is not specific to this incident, either, one of the reasons that I patronize this place is John and his predecessor, Deane, who have always treated me well when I came in. As has their parts guy. They remember my name, they remember that I am a VOC member and give me my discount and have always approached me as a real motorcyclist, which may sound strange, but other places tend to not treat women the same way. I am disappointed about this incident, but wanted to give a touch of credit where it is due. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:04:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05520; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:04:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07632; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:03:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12675 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA06045; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:03:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:02:35 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570BF6@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Meters Replaced...Correctly... Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:03:24 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Wow, the DC public works must've gotten busy lately! The meters at 17th & M are replaced, too, but with the correct time allotment of 12-hours and 1 hour for each quarter. There's a bonus, though...the meters now accept not only quarters but dimes & nickels too. The meters are really new, they're electric or computerized or something, they're actually pretty cool looking. Ugh. I can't believe I just said that. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:10:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05586; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:10:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07667; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:09:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12874 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA07515; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:09:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:08:17 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570BF7@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'MotorLE'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fame? Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:09:04 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Congrats!! That's awesome. I can contest to the quality of her gear... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: MotorLE [SMTP:MotorLE@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 5:23 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Fame? > > Cyber Cycle magazine wrote about me. Woo-hoo. Is this fame or what? > > http://www.cybercyclemag.com/leatherex.html > > Colleen > > ps: We still have a room for rent. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:19:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05722; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07758; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13036 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:18:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 246; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:17:21 -0500 Message-ID: <35239E2C.1415E001@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:18:20 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karl Rosenbaum CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Herndon Police Poker Run References: <19980325144419.UAWX27632@[166.41.242.141]> <3.0.5.32.19980402070858.007cf320@pop.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karl Rosenbaum wrote: > > Got this note a few weeks ago, and have been meaning to ask if the start > location was at the PD in Herndon. I have not gone to it in the past. > -- I went last year, with some riders from work. Yes, it starts at the Police Department in Herndon. Easy to get to. Lots of fun, it was my first group ride, they were pretty well organized. I think I'll be pulling kid duty that day, won't be able to make it to this one. Shucks! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours (300 miles and counting) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:21:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05730; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07793; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13083 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id AE738BA0488; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:19:31 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980402092145.00f92a60@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:21:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Meters Replaced...Correctly... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570BF6@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:03 AM 4/2/98 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Wow, the DC public works must've gotten busy lately! >The meters at 17th & M are replaced, too, but with the correct time >allotment of 12-hours and 1 hour for each quarter. Oh, you innocent young thing ... that's the work of contractors, not a government! :-) Looks like my days of free motorcycle parking are soon to be over. I'm already feeling some of that -- with the warm weather, the free slots often fill up before I get there. In fact, I got a ticket the other day because I had to park in a regular pay slot and walked off without feeding the meter ... I haven't fed a meter since last Fall! Oh the horror of it all. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:22:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05740; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:22:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07806; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13095 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:21:14 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565DA.004F2DB6 ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:24:50 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: holm@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565DA.004EB1F4.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:24:47 -0400 Subject: Re: What happened with Herndon Cycle Sports. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Nonetheless as a customer service gesture, they offered to pay for the repairs to the bike. We picked it up for no charge on Friday. All in all I would say you got better treatment than you would have at many other dealers. I would have expected them to deny, deny, deny and charge you for the repairs no matter what. I'm glad to hear that they were willing to compromise with you. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:23:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05748; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:23:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07821; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13116 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:22:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA10889; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:22:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:20:53 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570BFA@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Julie and/or Mark Holm'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: "Mark S. Holm" Subject: RE: What happened with Herndon Cycle Sports. Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:21:40 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I'm glad things turned out semi-well. How's Mark healing? - Jeannette [lots of snipping] > Essentially, they said that they could not accept responsibility; that > their mechanic had many years of experience, and that my speculations > about the possible cause of the problem were coming from amateur > mechanics. > > Nonetheless as a customer service gesture, they offered to pay for the > repairs to the bike. We picked it up for no charge on Friday. > > They did not offer to pay for the windshield, which I had already > ordered > and paid for. It is in, and Mark (my husband) feels strongly that > they > should pay for it, so at this point we're in sort of a holding > pattern. > The head mechanic suggested that we talk to the owner personally, but > he > evidently keeps regular business hours, and as I work in the district, > my > ability to get out there to talk to him at that time is essentially > nonexistant. Mark may go out an talk to him (he works in Reston) but > has > not yet. > > > My feelings are, that whatever may have happened, we didn't dream this > scenario up; that there was something wrong with the brakes when we > rode > out of the parking lot almost 3 weeks ago, and that this caused my > husband's accident. My husband has been riding for 25 years, never > had a > fall on the street before (he had one as a young man on dirt) and that > as > he fell at 5MPH in a parking lot, where there was no hazard, nothing > on > the road, clearly indicates that there was a mechanical problem. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:35:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05913; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:35:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08119; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:34:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net (known zip1.ziplink.net [206.15.168.18]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13438 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:34:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA15788; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:35:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:35:12 -0500 (EST) From: Julie and/or Mark Holm To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Mark S. Holm" Subject: RE: What happened with Herndon Cycle Sports. In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570BFA@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > I'm glad things turned out semi-well. > How's Mark healing? > Slowly but surely. He'll be off the streets until May, so I suspect I'll miss weekend rides; can't just go off riding and leave him alone! Still in a lot of pain, unfortunately. Julie From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:39:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05959; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:39:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08228; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13572 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5E1A.CF5ED060@XXXXXX>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:36:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Meters Replaced...Correctly... Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:36:26 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 21 TEXT Another fine product from Lockheed Martin.... ---------- ^From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 9:03 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Meters Replaced...Correctly... Wow, the DC public works must've gotten busy lately! The meters at 17th & M are replaced, too, but with the correct time allotment of 12-hours and 1 hour for each quarter. There's a bonus, though...the meters now accept not only quarters but dimes & nickels too. The meters are really new, they're electric or computerized or something, they're actually pretty cool looking. Ugh. I can't believe I just said that. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:46:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06021; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08378; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13733 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04825; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA02221; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA01743; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:44:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980402144431.FUPZ32491@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:44:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:43 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire changing party X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980402144431.FUPZ32491@[166.41.242.141]> Leon wrote: >And now for the solution to the missing spacer. . . after giving it some >thought, (and after I've got the CBR600 safely stashed away in my garage) I >suspect that it never existed in the first place. If we were to take the >spacer from the left side, install it on the right, then slide the axle >further to the right, the shoulder on the axle would make contact with the >wheel bearing and allow both ends of the axle to be flush with the outside >edges of the forks, then the nut wouldn't pull the right fork into the brake >disk. With the spacer on the right side where the axle has no shoulder, it >will keep the wheel centered and everything will work just fine. What say >Collin or any CBR600 owner? Is this possible? Is there only a spacer on >the right side of the front wheel on the CBR600? Were the 5 of us really >dumb enough to make such a silly mistake? Stay tuned for more adventures . . . I just went downstairs to the garage to check Lindas set up. From the front of the bike (facing the rear), there is about 1/2" space between the fork and wheel on the left side and about 1/4" on the right side. It *appears* that the axle makes up the space on the right side (facing to the rear, or shifter side), and that there is just one spacer on the left. Coleman opens at 10am. Give the parts guy a call and have him describe the front end assembly. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:50:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06048; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08546; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known lds96.com [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13797 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD5E1B.D1E9CB90@XXXXXX>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:43:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'dsecars@XXXXXX'" , "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: More bad news for speeders Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:43:39 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And here in VA the Troopers use the big luxo Jeeps, Camaros, and a couple of Mustang Cobras... nice to see my tax money being spent on hot rods for the state. Maryland also uses Dodge mini-vans as well as dump trucks with radar guns mounted to them.... they get you with the truck and pull you over down the road... It's getting serious out there! -Tom '86 VFR750F Interceptor >-----Original Message----- >From: Darren [SMTP:dsecars@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 8:45 AM >To: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: More bad news for speeders > > > >Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > >> Driving back from Baltimore this afternoon, I saw a guy pulled over by a >> trooper in an unmarked blue Monte Carlo!! He was just pulling back into >> traffic moments after turning his flashing lights off, when an unsuspecting >> motorist blew by him and found himself parked on the opposite shoulder. >> You know, just when I could spot a Caprice or Crown Vic from any angle, >> day or night, they go and do something like this. What's next, '72 Pintos? >> >> Harry >> Bethesda, MD >> '97 BMW R1100RT >> http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm >> "The more you live, the less you die." > >Start to watch out now for all the cars like Taurus, Monte carlo, llumina and >the like b/c of GM's d/c of the large car rwd platform the PD's will be >forced >to buy the next smaller car.And there are lots of choices. Here in WV the >state has a Ford Expedition. > >Darren > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 09:58:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06123; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08773; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:57:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14023 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA18994; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:56:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA02610; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:56:33 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA02598; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:56:28 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5E04.7157EDF0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:56:21 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Meters Replaced...Correctly... Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:51:37 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 23 TEXT Cool! I'm thinking about riding into work tomorrow. Wish me luck!! Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 6:03 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Meters Replaced...Correctly... > >Wow, the DC public works must've gotten busy lately! >The meters at 17th & M are replaced, too, but with the correct time >allotment of 12-hours and 1 hour for each quarter. There's a bonus, >though...the meters now accept not only quarters but dimes & nickels >too. >The meters are really new, they're electric or computerized or >something, they're actually pretty cool looking. >Ugh. I can't believe I just said that. > >- Jeannette > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 10:05:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06428; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09014; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14423 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA12406; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA21420; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980402150339.JKYT18677@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:03:39 -0600 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 10:02 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Julie and/or Mark Holm CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Mark S. Holm" Subject: Re: What happened with Herndon Cycle Sports. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980402150339.JKYT18677@[166.41.242.141]> >Anyway, that is what happened. For us, neither completely satisfactory >nor completely unsatisfactory. > >I suspect we will cancel the windshield and buy it elsewhere. But I'm >sure that pressure on HCS from DC-Cycles is unwarranted, as they did >repaire the bike for free, and I am certain that their denial of ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Are you saying they refunded the original charge to fix your bike? If not, then they simply completed the second time around what they should have completed the first time around. > >Anyway I do want to point out that the manager of the service department >was really good with us. He dealt with us well when we were a little >angry, and in a tough situation and remained friendly and very nice. It >could have been really nasty, but did not, and I place the credit for this >on him. This attitude is not specific to this incident, either, one of >the reasons that I patronize this place is John and his predecessor, >Deane, who have always treated me well when I came in. As has their parts >guy. They remember my name, they remember that I am a VOC member and give >me my discount and have always approached me as a real motorcyclist, which >may sound strange, but other places tend to not treat women the same way. > >I am disappointed about this incident, but wanted to give a touch of >credit where it is due. I'm all for credit where credit is due, and that's fine. However, given that your husband was injured so badly due to what seems to be negligence on that shops part, I suggest you start searching for another shop. A good relationship with your mechanic/parts person/salesperson is just one aspect of the total dealership experience. But if they're the nicest most attentive people you've ever met, and they still can't do their job, that can not be of any service to you. Money talks. Good luck. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 10:11:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06558; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09228; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net (known zip1.ziplink.net [206.15.168.18]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14886 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:10:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA17788; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:11:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:11:12 -0500 (EST) From: Julie and/or Mark Holm To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Mark S. Holm" Subject: Re: What happened with Herndon Cycle Sports. In-Reply-To: <19980402150339.JKYT18677@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > > Are you saying they refunded the original charge to fix your bike? > If not, then they simply completed the second time around what they > should have completed the first time around. > No. They did the repairs from the accident for free. > I'm all for credit where credit is due, and that's fine. However, > given that your husband was injured so badly due to what seems to be > negligence on that shops part, I suggest you start searching for another > shop. A good relationship with your mechanic/parts person/salesperson > is just one aspect of the total dealership experience. But if they're > the nicest most attentive people you've ever met, and they still can't > do their job, that can not be of any service to you. We agree and that is the plan. Nonetheless, I wanted to point out these things. It is also true that as a result of this experience I at least have had some decrease in self-confidence on the bike. Plan to do some parking lot work this Sunday if possible to get myself comfortable again. Julie From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 10:11:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06571; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09240; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:10:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14902 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA19311; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:09:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA08782; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:09:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980402150940.JNTN18677@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:09:40 -0600 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 10:08 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Meters Replaced...Correctly... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980402150940.JNTN18677@[166.41.242.141]> Chris Norloff wrote: >Looks like my days of free motorcycle parking are soon to be over. I'm >already feeling some of that -- with the warm weather, the free slots often >fill up before I get there. In fact, I got a ticket the other day because >I had to park in a regular pay slot and walked off without feeding the >meter ... I haven't fed a meter since last Fall! I remember that! When I worked downtown in the cooler months, there was ample free parking for motorcycles. As the days grow warmer, all the fairweathers start parking were I was sure I could. One remedy that usually worked was to just come in earlier, but that sucks. What really bummed me was that, not finding a free spot, sometimes I couldn't even find a payfor spot close by. Had to park four blocks away and pay $2.50 for the day! ouch! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 10:18:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06843; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09490; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15374 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA19934; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA25406; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980402151717.JRAZ18677@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:17:17 -0600 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 10:16 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Tom Zell CC: "'dsecars@XXXXXX'" , "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: More bad news for speeders X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980402151717.JRAZ18677@[166.41.242.141]> Tom Zell wrote: >And here in VA the Troopers use the big luxo Jeeps, Camaros, and a >couple of Mustang Cobras... nice to see my tax money being spent on hot >rods for the state. > >Maryland also uses Dodge mini-vans as well as dump trucks with radar >guns mounted to them.... they get you with the truck and pull you over >down the road... It's getting serious out there! It's like a snake feeding on itself. Except the state is the mouth and we are the tail. They gotta be more like revenuers to pay for all those expensive cars you know. ---rant on Now if the police are hiding in the bushes (driving unmarked cars) and pop out to ticket you, are they enforcing the law or just collecting their states due? If the fucking state cared that you slow down they would order their officers to become highly visible in traffic. That'd work don't you think? But it ain't about enforcing ridiculous speed laws. It's about lining the states budget. ---rant off Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 10:42:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07267; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:42:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09797; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:41:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16307 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:41:07 -0500 (EST) X-ROUTED: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:42:54 -0500 Received: from WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL [160.151.107.198] by dclink.com with smtp id AKCKCKFL ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:42:44 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: More bad news for speeders Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:46:16 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd5e4e$793ad240$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Dump trucks! Are you sure? Jay -----Original Message----- >From: zell@XXXXXX To: Jaynik Date: Thursday, April 02, 1998 10:08 AM Subject: RE: More bad news for speeders > >And here in VA the Troopers use the big luxo Jeeps, Camaros, and a >couple of Mustang Cobras... nice to see my tax money being spent on hot >rods for the state. > >Maryland also uses Dodge mini-vans as well as dump trucks with radar >guns mounted to them.... they get you with the truck and pull you over >down the road... It's getting serious out there! > >-Tom >'86 VFR750F Interceptor > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Darren [SMTP:dsecars@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 8:45 AM >>To: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. >>Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: Re: More bad news for speeders >> >> >> >>Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: >> >>> Driving back from Baltimore this afternoon, I saw a guy pulled over by a >>> trooper in an unmarked blue Monte Carlo!! He was just pulling back into >>> traffic moments after turning his flashing lights off, when an unsuspecting >>> motorist blew by him and found himself parked on the opposite shoulder. >>> You know, just when I could spot a Caprice or Crown Vic from any angle, >>> day or night, they go and do something like this. What's next, '72 Pintos? >>> >>> Harry >>> Bethesda, MD >>> '97 BMW R1100RT >>> http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm >>> "The more you live, the less you die." >> >>Start to watch out now for all the cars like Taurus, Monte carlo, llumina and >>the like b/c of GM's d/c of the large car rwd platform the PD's will be >>forced >>to buy the next smaller car.And there are lots of choices. Here in WV the >>state has a Ford Expedition. >> >>Darren >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 10:48:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07366; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09862; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:47:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16489 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:46:56 -0500 (EST) X-ROUTED: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:48:42 -0500 Received: from WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL [160.151.107.198] by dclink.com with smtp id AKDABHDC ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:48:24 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Party Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:51:56 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd5e4f$43534580$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sean and the rest who showed up: I was pleased to have the opportunity to help anyone else with their bike probs. I don't know much, but I sure can get my hands dirty trying to help. I'd also like to openly thank Leon for his hospitality, and everyone else who was there for being such an incredibly friendly group. Thanks Sean for the pizza. That really helped fuel the late night spacer hunt! It was a great time and a very educational experience for me! BTW, I still have mine to go! When's the next party??????? Jay -----Original Message----- >From: SUPERFND@XXXXXX To: Jaynik Date: Thursday, April 02, 1998 9:40 AM Subject: Tire Mounting Party > > The good news is my tires are mounted, the bad news is >I had to leave the bike at Leon's. > This will be too brief since I have to run, but I would >like to thank Leon for his know-how, the use of his >tools and garage and his willingness to host the tire >mounting party. I am also thankful to all the other people >who helped me wrestle with the bike -- Jay, Collin, Sean >P., Todd, Linda and Roy, who was also changing tires on >his F3. Ursulina, Leon, Jay and Collin also helped look >for the front wheel spacer late into the night after we had >eaten a pizza and thought the bike was done. Despite their >above and beyond effort, we didn't find it and the bike >had to stay where it was. Collin and Ursulina delivered >me home to D.C. > Even with my losing the spacer, I had a great time. Met >a bunch more people from the list. Got to see Leon's >famous moped and John Deere Kawasaki. Saw Dale's new >Concours. And I learned a lot about what to do and what >not to do in changing my tires. > Sean Sullivan > '95 F3 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 10:57:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07652; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09998; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:56:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17042 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:56:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 243; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:55:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3523B531.18B57285@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 10:56:33 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Meters Replaced...Correctly... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > > Cool! I'm thinking about riding into work tomorrow. Wish me luck!! > You go girl! Have fun! :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours (oh yeah!) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD (going...going... ) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 (gonna go, too) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 10:58:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07664; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:58:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10002; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17068 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:57:29 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA27937 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:58:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199804021558.AA27937@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:58:04 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:58:04 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:58:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:57:08 -0500 Subject: RE: Re: Herndon Police Poker Run To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, krosenba@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_0_MIME_Boundary_5000.3523b58a.wtprod2.cgin.us-md.citicorp.com" ------ =_0_MIME_Boundary_5000.3523b58a.wtprod2.cgin.us-md.citicorp.com Good question, I *believe* the last poker run that HPD held started at the Police station, however I don't remember. If you want (or I can) give them a call and verify. Cheers, -aki -----Original Message----- From: krosenba(a)erols.com Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 7:16 AM To: dc-cycles(a)cs.umd.edu Subject: Re: Herndon Police Poker Run At 02:17 PM 03/25/1998 -0500, aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > Herndon Police Poker Run for '98 Announced > The Herndon Police Department is holding their annual poker run on June 6th. > Registration will be from 8:30am to 11am. Included in the registration fee of > $15 are lunch, beverages, one door prize, and a poker hand. It looks likely > that Lone Star Steakhouse will be on hand again for fixing up great burgers, > but if they don't come then the Tortilla Factory will provide the meal. The > last bike will return by 3pm. Trophies will be awarded to the highest hands > in the three catagories of rider, co-rider, and biggest club. Proceeds from > the event will be split between the Hospice of Northern Virginia and the > Fraternal Order of Police. Got this note a few weeks ago, and have been meaning to ask if the start location was at the PD in Herndon. I have not gone to it in the past. Karl Rosenbaum 94 BMW K1100 LT-A Woodbridge, VA http://www.erols.com/krosenba << File: UnXhrds.txt >> ------ =_0_MIME_Boundary_5000.3523b58a.wtprod2.cgin.us-md.citicorp.com Content-Type: application/x-mapi; name="WINMAIL.DAT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="WINMAIL.DAT" eJ8+IoKpAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5N aWNyb3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEgAEAIQAAAFJFOiBSZTogSGVy bmRvbiBQb2xpY2UgUG9rZXIgUnVuAMIKAQWAAwAOAAAAzgcEAAIACgAvAAUABAAdAQEAgAAA NgAAAAQANgAKABwAQWtpIERhbW1lAE9QRU5NQUlMOkFraSBEYW1tZSAvMDJVU1dBUwAAAAAA AAAAAGULASCAAwAOAAAAzgcEAAIACgAuAAIABAAZAQEJgAEAIQAAADhBRUQ4MTQzMTRDQUQx MTFCNENENDQ0NTUzNTQwMDAwAPEGAQOQBgAAAwAAIAAAAAsAAgABAAAACwAjAAAAAAADACYA AAAAAAsAKQAAAAAAAwAuAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQDg116WTl69AR4AQgABAAAACgAAAEFr aSBEYW1tZQAAAEAASADAUQ6XTl69AR4AcAABAAAAIQAAAFJFOiBSZTogSGVybmRvbiBQb2xp Y2UgUG9rZXIgUnVuAAAAAAIBcQABAAAAFgAAAAG9Xk6WAUOB7YzKFBHRtM1ERVNUAAAAAB4A GgwBAAAACgAAAEFraSBEYW1tZQAAAAIBHQwBAAAAHAAAAE9QRU5NQUlMOkFLSSBEQU1NRSAv MDJVU1dBUwAeAB4MAQAAAAkAAABPUEVOTUFJTAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABMAAABBa2kgRGFtbWUg LzAyVVNXQVMAAB4AQhABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAADAIAQ/////0AABzAgg4VwTl69AUAACDAgg4Vw Tl69AQsAAIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAOFAAAAAAAAAwACgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAA AEYAAAAAEIUAAAAAAAADAAWACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAABShQAAdBAAAB4AJYAIIAYA AAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFSFAAABAAAABQAAADguMDIAAAAAAwAmgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAA AEYAAAAAAYUAAAAAAAALAC+ACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAOhQAAAAAAAAMAMIAIIAYA AAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABGFAAAAAAAAAwAygAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAGIUAAAAA AAAeAEGACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA2hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgBCgAggBgAAAAAA wAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAN4UAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4AQ4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADiF AAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABSRTogAAAAAAMADTT9NwAALGE= ------ =_0_MIME_Boundary_5000.3523b58a.wtprod2.cgin.us-md.citicorp.com-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 11:36:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08628; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:36:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10550; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:35:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18725 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:35:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06582; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA10752; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:35:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3523BE18.6B1AD7DC@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:34:32 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire changing party References: <19980402144431.FUPZ32491@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Umm... I thought about that last night too, and tried it.... No go...the spacing was still off and allowed the bracke disk to snug up to the fork tube :( > Leon wrote: > If we were to take the > >spacer from the left side, install it on the right, then slide the axle > >further to the right, the shoulder on the axle would make contact with the > >wheel bearing and allow both ends of the axle to be flush with the outside > >edges of the forks, then the nut wouldn't pull the right fork into the brake > >disk. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 11:39:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08731; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:39:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10601; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18954 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06641; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12281; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:38:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3523BEBE.84350419@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:37:18 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire changing party References: <19980402144431.FUPZ32491@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or.. do any of you honda riders have a shop manual or a parts fische.. that should give an exploded view of the assembly > Coleman opens at 10am. Give the parts guy a call and have him describe > the front end assembly. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 12:01:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09180; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11201; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:00:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19855 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:00:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from lds96.lds96.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06994; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD5E2E.1B6CE5B0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:54:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , "'Todd Peer'" Cc: "'Leon Begeman'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Tire changing party Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:54:34 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a 900RR manual that I can check later this evening... I believe that it's the same setup. -Tom >-----Original Message----- >From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 11:37 AM >To: Todd Peer >Cc: Leon Begeman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Tire changing party > >Or.. do any of you honda riders have a shop manual or a parts fische.. that >should >give an exploded view of the assembly > >> Coleman opens at 10am. Give the parts guy a call and have him describe >> the front end assembly. >> > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 12:06:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09263; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11320; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known [205.215.54.51] [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20021 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA01158; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:07:26 -0500 Message-ID: <3523C503.FDC0514F@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:04:03 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jay , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Party References: <01bd5e4f$43534580$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jay, Make a suggestion. If someone else wants to host it, I can bring your tires there. Leon. > It was a great time and a very educational experience for me! BTW, I still > have mine to go! When's the next party??????? > > Jay From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 12:38:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10128; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:38:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11883; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:37:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21502 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA11119 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by mscex.MSC.USCG.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5E34.22FEDBC0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:37:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: non moto: FW: Kids' Names to Mars - website Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:37:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is kinda neat for the folks with kids... or for you big kids that want your name on Mars :) Collin T. Fagan LTjg, USCG Staff Engineer USCG Marine Safety Center >---------- >From: Burrows, Mark CDR >Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 1:44 PM >To: MSC-UNIT >Subject: FW: Kids' Names to Mars - website > > > >Here's a good deal for your school age kids: > >Subject: FW: Kids' Names to Mars - website > >> NASA JPL is collecting >> a million school age kids names from around the world to go on a cd >> rom which will go on the Mars Polar Lander. Here's where to log on: >> http://spacekids.hq.nasa.gov/mars/ >> You can get a nice certificate to give to your kids after they enter their >>name. There's over 300,000 names already, so it wont be long before it's >>all filled up. - Mark B. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 12:42:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10191; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11987; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21661 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:41:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id ADB327E0244; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:41:07 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980402124152.00fcf380@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:41:52 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: More bad news for speeders In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:43 AM 4/2/98 -0500, Tom Zell wrote: >And here in VA the Troopers use the big luxo Jeeps, Camaros, and a >couple of Mustang Cobras... nice to see my tax money being spent on hot >rods for the state. I bet they're confiscated drug trafficker vehicles. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 12:46:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10225; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12028; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (known mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21797 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16291; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:45:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3523CE73.31917111@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:44:19 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: Jay , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Party References: <01bd5e4f$43534580$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> <3523C503.FDC0514F@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well.. Seeing as how I still need to mount the 207s to my racebike next week, I could host a maintenance party at my house. I don't have the big garage like Leon, but there is plenty of driveway space and limited space in my shed... I have plenty of tools (except tire irons). If we want, we could make it a spring maintenance party... oil changes, chain tightening, etc. Order out a couple of pies and we'd be set....Any takers?? ANy day/time is good for me except Tuesday (gotta meet the Japanese gov't reps that day.... they seem to think I'm a big wig or something, and I've pissed em off.....ha ha) Collin Leon Begeman wrote: > Jay, > Make a suggestion. If someone else wants to host it, I can bring your > tires there. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 13:23:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11062; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12499; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23077 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id NAA06502; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:21:02 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C22@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , Leon Begeman Cc: Jay , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Tire Mounting Party Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:21:51 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hey, I'm in! I'd love to learn maintenance for my bike. Any night's probably good for me, I don't have school next week (thank goddess)... I'll even bring a pie or something else fattening as hell, as long as I don't have to cook it! ; ) - Jeannette > If we want, we could make it a spring maintenance party... oil > changes, chain > tightening, etc. > Order out a couple of pies and we'd be set....Any takers?? > ANy day/time is good for me except Tuesday (gotta meet the Japanese > gov't reps > that day.... they seem to think I'm a big wig or something, and I've > pissed em > off.....ha ha) > Collin > > Leon Begeman wrote: > > > Jay, > > Make a suggestion. If someone else wants to host it, I can bring > your > > tires there. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 13:25:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11141; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12553; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:25:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23303 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:25:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804021825.NAA23303@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id 2D23BYDL; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:34:19 -0500 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 13:24:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: New Rear Tire In-Reply-To: <199803271515.AA27303@egate2.citicorp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm having a new rear tire put on my bike tomorrow morning. I've read lots about "being careful" and "scrubbing" a new tire. Can anyone tell me specifically what I should be doing? Will just riding conservatively for a while do the trick? (not that I'm a lunatic on the bike anyway!) Thanks! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 13:27:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11191; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12562; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23386 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:27:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804021827.NAA23386@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id 2D23BYDP; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:36:18 -0500 X-Sender: 2xracers@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 13:26:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: It's Thursday already! In-Reply-To: <199803271515.AA27303@egate2.citicorp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone doing any riding this weekend? USA Today says the forecast is for partly cloudy and mid-50's both days. Might have to put the liner back in my jacket, though! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 13:55:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11688; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12877; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24183 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:53:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA12748 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:53:46 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:53:46 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: New Rear Tire Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:56:25 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 21 TEXT >I'm having a new rear tire put on my bike tomorrow morning. I've read lots >about "being careful" and "scrubbing" a new tire. Can anyone tell me >specifically what I should be doing? Basically, it's the process of being careful until a new tire has worn (or scrubbed) the smoothness and mold release agents off. >Will just riding conservatively for a while do the trick? Pretty much - you just need to be aware of what's happening. Do your turning a little slower than usual (less lean) and progressively reach your normal speed. A nice ride this weekend would probably do the trick. If you're basically riding conservatively, you shouldn't have any problems. The process becomes more and more critical the closer one gets to Collin's riding style. The average Harley rider may not ever notice... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 14:27:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12141; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13402; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24949 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:26:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 52 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:25:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3523E66B.B9FBB58F@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 14:26:35 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: too much safety? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone see the new ads for Saab's "Active Head Restraint" system? >From what I can determine, the seat's headrest is basically set up to punch you in the back of the head in the case of a rear end collision. This to supposed to prevent whiplash? I think I'd be nervous knowing that there is a boxing glove primed and aimed at the base of my skull, ready to go off at any time. I know I've knocked new technology in the past, and then turned around and bought a new bike, but I can guarantee everyone here I won't be rushing out to buy a Saab anytime soon. :-) Regards, -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 14:39:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12405; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:39:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13724; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:38:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25453 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 183; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:37:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3523E91C.DD9F4B46@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 14:38:04 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Party References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C22@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Hey, I'm in! I'd love to learn maintenance for my bike. Any night's > probably good for me, I don't have school next week (thank goddess)... > Anyone want to hazard a guess as to which goddess Jeannette worships? :-) Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 14:43:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12466; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:43:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13760; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25552 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA02270 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA04938 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:40:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980402194048.IXPX32491@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:40:48 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: New Rear Tire Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:40:43 -0500 Message-ID: <002501bd5e6f$39aa8820$3b5420a6@LJTanner.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal As an FYI, I had Fast Lanes mount some tires for me in 96. It was very cold outside and they told me repeatedly not to do any fancy maneuvering until the tires were scrubbed in and I nodded and smiled. Leaving their parking lot, I swear I did nothing funny, but the back wheel slipped, skidded and generally scared me sh*tless when I shifted in second (at a conservative rpm). How ironic, I thought at the time, to loose it right in front of the shop. Since then, I've tried to be very careful for the first 100 miles or so after new tires are mounted. YMMV LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- >From: Jordan, Michael [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 1:56 PM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: New Rear Tire If you're basically riding conservatively, you shouldn't have any problems. The process becomes more and more critical the closer one gets to Collin's riding style. The average Harley rider may not ever notice... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 15:03:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12759; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14052; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from red.uspis.gov (known red-internet.uspis.gov [206.205.134.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26021 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA04192; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:10:19 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'Anita Lauro'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: New Rear Tire Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:03:09 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Loan Collin your bike for the weekend. It will be well broke in by Monday morning. Curtis >-----Original Message----- >From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:2xracers@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 1:25 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: New Rear Tire > >I'm having a new rear tire put on my bike tomorrow morning. I've read >lots >about "being careful" and "scrubbing" a new tire. Can anyone tell me >specifically what I should be doing? Will just riding conservatively >for a >while do the trick? (not that I'm a lunatic on the bike anyway!) > >Thanks! >Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 15:09:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12848; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14107; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:08:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26156 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 214 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:07:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3523F030.B5578075@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:08:16 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Old vs New, revisited References: <3523E8B5.860A67D7@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys, remember this post? Yeah, I'm eating some crow now, but it doesn't taste too bad! :-) Once upon a time the Horkster, a hypocrite extraordinaire, wrote: > > HORKSTER'S TOP 10 LIST OF USELESS NEW BIKE TECHNOLOGY > > 1. Liquid Cooling - one more component to break down, gotta flush it > every year Yep, I did have to top off the Concours' overflow tank already: Stand on head, remove two screws and plastic cover, remove cap, wedge bottle of distilled water in place, pour carefully. This Ninja engine runs *HOT*! Lots of heat pumped out onto the rider's lower legs. Might be nice in the winter, but it will might be a drag in the warmer months... FWIW, the temp gauge has only ever gone up to halfway when I was putzing around in town, but there's a big fire going on under all that plastic. > 2. Electric start without a kickstart backup system. - batteries do > die, you know. I don't know if I can even bump start the Connie, I sort of tried it once at speed. Didn't see anything mentioned in the manual. Darn. > 3. Liquid Crystal Display guages - cheap, fog prone, don't display in > cold weather I've got one LCD clock, so far so good, can't really count that. All the other gauges are the way nature intended! :-) > 4. Electronic Fuel Injection - what's the point? Nope, got me old-fashioned Carbs on the Connie! It's never gonna sit for long, so hopefully I'll never ever have to clean them. :-) > 5. Air Adjustable shocks - more containers on the bike that don't > hold air Got myself there. Air adjustable rear shock. I hope it holds up. > 6. Hydraulic Clutches - no feel, can't adjust, another master > cyclinder on the handlebar. Well, the clutch is hydraulic, but the lever is adjustable, so I sort of stand corrected. It's not too bad. > 7. Anti Lock Brakes - let me stop the bike, please. The only ABS on my bike is the plastic. D'oh! > 8. Plastic Fairings - aerodynamic? not with cracks in them... Let's just hope I never do any major fairing busting! :-) > 8. Fuel Guages - not typically accurate, from what I've heard. I do > better with tripmeters. Best of all worlds here, I've got a fuel gauge that registers 'E' right before reserve kicks in, and I've got not one, but TWO trip- meters on the Connie! Now I can use one to track mileage on a tankfull and still be able to reset the other one for Poker Runs and group rides with the map sheets. Heh! I like it! :-) > 9. On-board computer chips - Don't these run off the battery? All the time? I think I'm safe here, only thing running off the battery is the clock. > 10. This isn't new technology, but what's with the lack of 4-way > emergency flashers on a lot of new bikes nowadays? My 78 Kawasaki > had them, they are a useful, practical, inexpensive safety device. > > Why isn't this standard equipment like turn signals? No gripes here, got the 4-ways on the Concours. So what's the score? My bike has 6 of the 11 "faults" mentioned above (yes, 11, I had two #8's! :-), but it's not quite as bad as I feared. The Concours is a way different bike than what I'm used to, but I think it will be way more versatile and easy to live with. So far, I'm pleased. Regards, -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 15:10:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12862; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14126; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26180 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:09:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA28530 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:01:55 -0800 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:08:22 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:09:42 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX Subject: too much safety? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Actually, Saab's system is designed to move mostly up and only slightly forward, catching the head to keep it more in line with the torso. It's a mechanical (lever) system, activated by your torso's inertial force puching into the seat back. If you hate that one, wait 'til you get a load of Volvo's system. It's deployed by a pyrotechnic charge, just like the airbags. If it "goes off" it has to be repaired. And nothing like having a 12-gauge aimed at the back of your head. The "primed and aimed boxing glove" analogy is more appropriate for the Volvo. Cars suck (even though I make my living off them), Joe 900 Ninja, Richmond >>> "horkster" - 4/2/98 2:26 PM >>> Anyone see the new ads for Saab's "Active Head Restraint" system? >From what I can determine, the seat's headrest is basically set up to punch you in the back of the head in the case of a rear end collision. This to supposed to prevent whiplash? I think I'd be nervous knowing that there is a boxing glove primed and aimed at the base of my skull, ready to go off at any time. I know I've knocked new technology in the past, and then turned around and bought a new bike, but I can guarantee everyone here I won't be rushing out to buy a Saab anytime soon. :-) Regards, -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 15:36:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13130; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14318; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:34:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26807 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 196; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:33:14 -0500 Message-ID: <3523F646.FA9C7017@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:34:14 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JOE NAGY CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JOE NAGY wrote: (with some snipping) > >...load...ovloV...pyrotechnic charge..."goes off"...repaired... ...12-gauge...your head..."primed and aimed"...ovloV...Cars suck Why doesn't this surprise me from the ovloV's? :-) Actually I was reading somewhere about Saab claiming that it's emissions control on it's cars were so effective, it actually cleaned the air in some parts of Europe as you drove around!!! I'm not sure if they were joking or not. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 15:41:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13220; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:41:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14370; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26940 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 286; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:38:39 -0500 Message-ID: <3523F78B.76431097@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:39:39 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Battletrax: autocross style motorcycle racing? References: <3523BE77.83A32F26@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > > PS. I have the remains of 4 twelve packs of soda and a few dollars > left over from last night to contribute to the party next month. So that's an RSVP? Ok, you're in. A few dollars might even get you a beer or two. :-) > > Dale lives right next to Kaplan Ct. which is a dead end road. That > would be a nice place to set something up. We would of course have to > keep the speed down there and have spotters when we ride. You guys can do whatever you want, but those streets always seem to have lots of cars parked on them. Might not give us enough breathing room. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 15:57:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13511; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14613; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:55:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.40]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27316 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:55:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1XGDa14951 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:54:52 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <53f86d11.3523fb1e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:54:52 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: too much safety? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 gosh, just wear your helmet when driving this car and you'll be fine. >I can guarantee >everyone here I won't be rushing out to buy a Saab anytime >soon. :-) speaking of safety, I have never seen so much exposed leg as I have this past week or so. It seems like the worse the bike is being ridden, the more likely it is that there will be a barely dressed passenger on the back. Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 16:14:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13761; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14858; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:13:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27704 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:13:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA29054 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:05:53 -0800 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 16:12:27 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 16:13:50 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Yeah if GM wanted to be a good global citizen, they'd send a few thousand Saabs down to Mexico City or over to the former eastern bloc cities to clean 'em up. --Joe >>> "horkster" - 4/2/98 3:34 PM >>> JOE NAGY wrote: (with some snipping) > >...load...ovloV...pyrotechnic charge..."goes off"...repaired... ...12-gauge...your head..."primed and aimed"...ovloV...Cars suck Why doesn't this surprise me from the ovloV's? :-) Actually I was reading somewhere about Saab claiming that it's emissions control on it's cars were so effective, it actually cleaned the air in some parts of Europe as you drove around!!! I'm not sure if they were joking or not. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 16:30:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13926; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14984; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:29:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (known mail1.geocities.com [209.1.224.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28122 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04578 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:29:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <352402E2.7A659127@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 16:28:02 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: too much safety? References: <53f86d11.3523fb1e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Once again I'm torn..... Like any true red blooded american male chauvanist pig :) I love to see exposed flesh.....the more the merrier But being a biker and knowing what the consequences of a crash look like, I really feel for some of those passengers. I'm fairly positive that most of them have never considered what could happen... they blindly trust some squid punk they are in "love" with.... CT > speaking of safety, I have never seen so much exposed leg as I have this past > week or so. It seems like the worse the bike is being ridden, the more likely > it is that there will be a barely dressed passenger on the back. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 16:49:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14427; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:49:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15524; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known lds97.com [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29093 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:47:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD5E56.481C8930@XXXXXX>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:42:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'MotorLE'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: too much safety? Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:42:09 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The guy (the one that Jeannette posted about yesterday)that I was racing ( the squid coming out in me ) had a pillion on the back that was wearing a very short pair of shorts and a t-shirt. If he had crashed or she had fallen off she would have had nothing left of her body. She looked scared as hell, too. -Tom '86 VFR750F >-----Original Message----- >From: MotorLE [SMTP:MotorLE@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 3:55 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: too much safety? > > >gosh, just wear your helmet when driving this car and you'll be fine. > >>I can guarantee >>everyone here I won't be rushing out to buy a Saab anytime >>soon. :-) > >speaking of safety, I have never seen so much exposed leg as I have this past >week or so. It seems like the worse the bike is being ridden, the more likely >it is that there will be a barely dressed passenger on the back. > >Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 17:06:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14730; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16600; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:04:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29521 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id RAA01425; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:04:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:03:25 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C30@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: too much safety? Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:04:14 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I may have been guilty of that in my past, but since I've been riding (myself), I've taken a whole different view! I must say, though, I've never ridden in shorts, always at least jeans. Now it's always leather. I may be a feminist, but we women can be stupid when we're in love... ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 4:28 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: too much safety? > > Once again I'm torn..... Like any true red blooded american male > chauvanist pig > :) I love to see exposed flesh.....the more the merrier > > But being a biker and knowing what the consequences of a crash look > like, I > really feel for some of those passengers. I'm fairly positive that > most of them > have never considered what could happen... they blindly trust some > squid punk > they are in "love" with.... > CT > > > speaking of safety, I have never seen so much exposed leg as I have > this past > > week or so. It seems like the worse the bike is being ridden, the > more likely > > it is that there will be a barely dressed passenger on the back. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 17:19:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14989; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:19:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17570; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29961 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:17:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1FWCa10380 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:17:09 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <4070d3f7.35240e67@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:17:09 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: too much safety? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 well, there has been some fine visible male legs too, and some nice gym-pumped bare chestedness (hey, I think I made up a word). Skin is fine, on the beach or in a park. But exposed skin on a bike on the beltway? I have no problem imagining the exposed bones... >Once again I'm torn..... Like any true red blooded american male chauvanist pig >:) I love to see exposed flesh.....the more the merrier From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 17:27:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15108; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:27:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18267; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:25:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00199 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 265 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:24:41 -0500 Message-ID: <35241063.E16F57AD@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 17:25:39 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: squids with pillions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Zell wrote: > > The guy (the one that Jeannette posted about yesterday)that I was racing > ( the squid coming out in me ) had a pillion on the back that was > wearing a very short pair of shorts and a t-shirt. If he had crashed or > she had fallen off she would have had nothing left of her body. She > looked scared as hell, too. I'm not a squid, and I don't play one on tv, but in that instance I think it would have been better to just let the other guy win. For the passenger's sake. Of course, with idiots like that, he'd probably just try to find someone else to race against with the girl on the back. But at least my conscience would be clear. Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 17:44:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15378; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:44:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18851; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:43:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00620 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id RAA19749; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:43:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:41:57 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C32@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'MotorLE'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: too much safety? Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:42:45 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain The funny thing is, the closer you get to the beach, the more squids you see dressed (or un-dressed) unsafely!! I figure my skin's the only one I've got. Save it for the beach, like Colleen said. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: MotorLE [SMTP:MotorLE@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 5:17 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: too much safety? > > well, there has been some fine visible male legs too, and some nice > gym-pumped > bare chestedness (hey, I think I made up a word). Skin is fine, on the > beach > or in a park. But exposed skin on a bike on the beltway? I have no > problem > imagining the exposed bones... > > >Once again I'm torn..... Like any true red blooded american male > chauvanist > pig > >:) I love to see exposed flesh.....the more the merrier From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 18:56:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16931; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21478; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:55:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03011 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:55:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id PAA16646; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:55:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id PAA27205; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:54:43 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id PAA27072; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:54:21 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5E34.E8ACA1E0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:43:17 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'horkster'" , "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Tire Mounting Party Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:38:35 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 24 TEXT Considering that Tom is in the picture now, I would say the goddess of love, Venus. :) XOXO Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: horkster [SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 11:38 AM >To: O'Brien, Jeannette >Cc: dc-cycles >Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Party > >O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >> >> Hey, I'm in! I'd love to learn maintenance for my bike. Any night's >> probably good for me, I don't have school next week (thank goddess)... >> > >Anyone want to hazard a guess as to which goddess Jeannette worships? > >:-) > >Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 20:07:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17689; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24312; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:05:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04343 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:05:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-117.s117.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.117]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA01577 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:05:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35243669.4E5B07F5@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 20:07:53 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Maintenance party Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All righty folks... For anyone that wants to show up, all are welcome to swing by and bench race, do routine maintenance, or just cause trouble in general. Oil changes, tire changin, whatever.. we'll try it. Then we'll order some pizzas or whatever and enjoy the company. So far looks like the interest was for Saturday at noon at my house. I'll make a web page with directions to my house from various directions and post the url in a bit. The weather is supposed to be ho-hum, so it'll be a good day to get all that routine spring stuff out of the way. Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 21:10:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18460; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:10:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25817; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05375 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-117.s117.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.117]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26449 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:09:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35244553.C020A430@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 21:11:31 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maintenance party References: <35243669.4E5B07F5@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the url for directions to my house: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/directions.html Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > I'll make a web page with directions to my house from various directions > and post the url in a bit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 2 21:10:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18465; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:10:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25824; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:09:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05386 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1AWCa20221 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:08:30 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:08:30 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Party Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Hey... Had fun meeting everyone last night. Just wanted to thank leon for the great hospitality and soda =). Sorry I couldnt stick around for the pizza but I me and the storms had a road race back to annapolis. Glad to see Jay had some headlights when I passed him. Hope everything was all good. I cant get off saturday for the maint. party, but I'll show up sometime somewhere... Let me know if anyone wants to do something between next tue and thurs. those are my days off. woohoo. Talk to you all later. (Oh, and I thought my bike was a bad mama-jama... til... I saw all those f3's that sounded soooo much better than mine. Nice bikes all!) Sean P. Ride Free '93 CBR600F2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 00:32:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21289; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29563; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08725 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 00:30:22 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Meters Replaced...Correctly... Date: Fri, 3 Apr 98 00:32:28 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >The meters are really new, they're electric or computerized or >something, they're actually pretty cool looking. >Ugh. I can't believe I just said that. Where's Cool Hand Luke when you need him? ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 00:32:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21286; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29540; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08705 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 00:30:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: It's Thursday already! Date: Fri, 3 Apr 98 00:32:11 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Anyone doing any riding this weekend? USA Today says the forecast is for >partly cloudy and mid-50's both days. Might have to put the liner back in >my jacket, though! If SWMBO lets me, I'll be riding and wrenching all weekend. (reminds me, I need a 1157 turn signal bulb...) Gotta house sit while my parents are out of town, so I get access to the garage (4 1/2 car with a grease pit) for two days. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 00:32:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21285; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29545; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08709 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 00:30:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. Date: Fri, 3 Apr 98 00:32:15 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "horkster" , "JOE NAGY" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Actually I was reading somewhere about Saab claiming >that it's emissions control on it's cars were so effective, it >actually cleaned the air in some parts of Europe as you drove >around!!! I'm not sure if they were joking or not. Read the same thing about Fords. Has to do with some platinum coating on the radiator or something along those lines. Acts as a big catalyst. In theory. How are you gonna test something like that? Speaking of clean cars, I also read that due to low emissions, people in Sweden are having a great deal of difficulty in commiting suicide by running a hose into the car. Even on a full tank of gas, sometimes the CO levels don't get high enough to become toxic. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 00:32:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21290; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29550; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08713 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 00:30:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New Rear Tire Date: Fri, 3 Apr 98 00:32:17 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I'm having a new rear tire put on my bike tomorrow morning. I've read lots >about "being careful" and "scrubbing" a new tire. Can anyone tell me >specifically what I should be doing? Will just riding conservatively for a >while do the trick? (not that I'm a lunatic on the bike anyway!) That's how I did it a few months ago (February?). Take it easy for 100 miles. Slowly begin making tighter and tighter turns. If you get on slab, do some back and forth weaves. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 00:32:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21302; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29554; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08717 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 00:30:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tire Mounting Party Date: Fri, 3 Apr 98 00:32:22 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Collin T. Fagan" , "Leon Begeman" cc: "Jay" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >If we want, we could make it a spring maintenance party... oil changes, chain >tightening, etc. Some of us kept up on maintenance during the winter:) Sounds good. I might attend to help spin wrenches. The BMW just got the 12000 mile service (at 9,000 miles. The previous owner was a bit overzealous in getting the service done. NOT a bad thing:) so I'm not in need of anything now. What's a chain again? ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 00:32:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21305; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29557; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08721 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 00:30:20 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: More bad news for speeders Date: Fri, 3 Apr 98 00:32:25 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Start to watch out now for all the cars like Taurus, Monte carlo, llumina and >the like b/c of GM's d/c of the large car rwd platform the PD's will be >forced >to buy the next smaller car.And there are lots of choices. Here in WV the >state has a Ford Expedition. i don't think the cops will be moving that much to FWD cars. Not as their mainstay. I suspect Ford will be in the Crown Vic market for a long time. BTW, have seen both Charles Co. and Md. State Police Expeditions as well. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 06:27:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA24249; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:27:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA03769; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA13216 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-117.s117.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.117]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA21025; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:25:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3524C788.C6A46663@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 06:27:04 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > Read the same thing about Fords. Has to do with some platinum coating on > the radiator or something along those lines. Acts as a big catalyst. In > theory. How are you gonna test something like that? I think you mean Anode (cathode? get em mixed sometimes) rather than catalyst... It is very unlikely that platinum would act as a catylyst in most any chemical reaction. It is however used as an electrode due to its terrific wear/corrosion resistance and its very high position on the..errr chemistry memory failing here... the chart that places a lot of metals in referance to each other on how well they will be anodes/cathodes.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 08:07:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25059; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04393; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlalaw.com (known mail.dlalaw.com [207.32.65.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14663 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from DLADC01-Message_Server by dlalaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:10:19 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 09:07:04 -0400 From: Kelli Jareaux To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Help Still looking for a good place to get my bike painted, can anyone make any recommendations? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 08:29:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25233; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:29:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04534; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:27:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14939 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA11268; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:26:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv1-08.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.40) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma011254; Fri Apr 3 07:26:24 1998 Message-ID: <35246385.7C36@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 20:20:21 -0800 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: harley@XXXXXX, xl-list@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: May 9th 2nd Annual Leesburg Police Motorcycle Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heres some advance notice, I know there is a lot going on that weekend. Ill try and copy this down from the flyer, Did it last year, it was cold and wet, but fun nonetheless. Ended up having to buy a pair of chaps at Winch HD, to warm up in partway through the ride, after having left my winter riding suit hanging in the closet ;(. Then it was Hot for the Law Ride the following day. go figure...;) Second Annual Leesburg Police Motorcycle Poker Run for Virginia Special Olympics REGISTRATION AND START: 9AM - 11 AM at Ida Lee Recreation Center 50 Ida Lee Drive, N.W., Leesburg, VA 9:30 AM- Police Escort Leaves, Last Bike out at 11:00 AM Last Bike in at 3:00 PM Run Ends at Leesburg Police Department WHEN: Saturday May 9th, 1998 COST: $10.00 per hand (additional hands may be purchased) Includes 1 door prize ticket. (additional door prize tickets may be purchased for $1). Complimentary breakfast and lunch also included. PRIZES: Best Poker Hand- Weekend for two at Landsdowne Resort 2nd Best- 27" Maganavox Stereo TV from Leesburg Wal-Mart 3rd best- Portland VCR from Leesburg K-Mart La Toque Restaurant will be providing a complimentary bikers breakfast of homemade Donuts,Sausages,Green peppers, onions. Hog Wild Ribs will be providing a complimentary lunch of Barbecue Chicken, etc Door Prizes: $100.00 Gift Certificate-Winchesther Harley-Davidson $50.00 Gift Cert-Whitt's Harley Davidson $25.00 Gift Cert-Applebees $25.00 Gift Cert-Ruby Tuesdays $25.00 Gift Cert-Tractor Supply ????? $35.00 Gift Cert- Outback Steak house $20.00 Gift Cert-Don Pablos $50.00 Gift Cert-Del Rio Mexican Restaurant $30.00 Gift Cert-Johnsons Charcoal Beef House $100.00 Gift Cert-Banner Glass Dinner for 2- Green Tree Restaurant Lunch for 2- Colonial Inn Service Star 2 Cycle Weed Eater-J.T. Hirst Co. Lawn/Garden Battery or $40.00 Gift certificate-Battery Warehouse 2 Art Prints-Dick Kramer Studios 2 Free Oil Changes/Tire Rotations-Midas Muffler 1 Free Oil Change/Front End alignment-Catoctin Automotive -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 08:29:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25232; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:29:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04530; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14936 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA11270; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:26:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv1-08.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.40) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma011257; Fri Apr 3 07:26:31 1998 Message-ID: <35246396.B3C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 20:20:38 -0800 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Kelli Jareaux Subject: Re: Help References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kelli Jareaux wrote: > > Still looking for a good place to get my bike painted, can anyone > make any recommendations? Kelli, Not sure what your looking for if its just general body work painting , There have been several suggestions on the list which should crop up, Ive repeatedly heard about an Auto body shop in Falls Church I believe in which one of the guys does good work. Im sure someone will pop up with that info. If your looking for High Quality Art work, Fine line painting, murals etc for the bike, I wholeheartedly reccomend Weeze at Scooter Trash in Martinsburg WV. Very talented young lady. their number is 304-264-0267. Ivs seen some work she has done painting murals on dressers and helmet work and its just spectacular. She always keeps a portfolio at the shop if you would be interested. I am not sure who they send the stuff out to for the base coats and clear coats though. you could always call and ask. -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 09:14:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25639; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04845; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:12:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known lds97.com [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15727 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD5EDF.D7E46770@XXXXXX>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:06:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)'" , "'George Howell'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: too much safety? Not really on topic. Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:06:51 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, platinum is used in catalytic converters on cars and some motorcycles.... I'm not sure of why though...err what does it do to the exhaust... except maybe act as an additional furnace to burn off gases. Any comments? -Tom >-----Original Message----- >From: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 6:27 AM >To: George Howell >Cc: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. > >George Howell wrote: > >> Read the same thing about Fords. Has to do with some platinum coating on >> the radiator or something along those lines. Acts as a big catalyst. In >> theory. How are you gonna test something like that? > > >I think you mean Anode (cathode? get em mixed sometimes) rather than >catalyst... >It is very unlikely that platinum would act as a catylyst in most any >chemical reaction. It is however used as an electrode due to its >terrific wear/corrosion resistance and its very high position on >the..errr chemistry memory failing here... the chart that places a lot >of metals in referance to each other on how well they will be >anodes/cathodes.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 09:35:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25885; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05645; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16213 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:33:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA25628; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA32310; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:33:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980403143324.BIAN493@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:33:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 09:30 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980403143324.BIAN493@[166.41.242.141]> Collin Fagen Wrote: > It is however used as an electrode due to its >terrific wear/corrosion resistance and its very high position on >the..errr chemistry memory failing here... the chart that places a lot >of metals in referance to each other on how well they will be >anodes/cathodes.... Periodic Table. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 09:44:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26074; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:44:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05797; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (known mail4.geocities.com [209.1.224.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16504 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA09907; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:40:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3524F4A6.360EE336@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 09:39:35 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. References: <19980403143324.BIAN493@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope.. Just came up with the answer.. Galvanic table!!! Yipee, I'm still a nerd.. he he he The platinum in the cat converter acts as an anode and grades the polarized ions in the exhaust and they plate off onto the platinum in the cat converter. Very similar to the way a battery works.. ions flake off the cathode and deposit on the anode Todd Peer wrote: > Collin Fagen Wrote: > the chart that places a lot > >of metals in referance to each other on how well they will be > >anodes/cathodes.... > > Periodic Table. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 10:07:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26862; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:07:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06232; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17663 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:05:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA20745; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:04:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:03:39 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C3F@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , Todd Peer Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: too much safety? Not really on topic. Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:04:28 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Did anyone hear the rocket go over my head? Us English grad students will never understand. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 9:40 AM > To: Todd Peer > Cc: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. > > Nope.. Just came up with the answer.. > > Galvanic table!!! Yipee, I'm still a nerd.. he he he > > The platinum in the cat converter acts as an anode and grades the > polarized > ions in the exhaust and they plate off onto the platinum in the cat > converter. Very similar to the way a battery works.. ions flake off > the > cathode and deposit on the anode > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 10:12:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27017; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06558; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17966 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD5EE8.04F683D0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:05:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , "'Todd Peer'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: too much safety? Not really on topic. Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:05:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cool... now I can say that this list has actually taught me something! : ) -Tom >-----Original Message----- >From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 9:40 AM >To: Todd Peer >Cc: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. > >Nope.. Just came up with the answer.. > >Galvanic table!!! Yipee, I'm still a nerd.. he he he > >The platinum in the cat converter acts as an anode and grades the polarized >ions in the exhaust and they plate off onto the platinum in the cat >converter. Very similar to the way a battery works.. ions flake off the >cathode and deposit on the anode > >Todd Peer wrote: > >> Collin Fagen Wrote: >> the chart that places a lot >> >of metals in referance to each other on how well they will be >> >anodes/cathodes.... >> >> Periodic Table. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 10:33:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27336; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:33:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07119; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18711 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA01190 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:30:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA29586 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980403153039.BXQT493@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:30:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 10:27 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: DC-Cycles to Deals Gap and Camping X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980403153039.BXQT493@[166.41.242.141]> For you Deal's Gap adventurers, here are some pretty good deals I found. If you haven't signed up to ride with us, go to the DC-Cycles Deals' Gap adventure page and check it out. Then send me an email with the year of your bike and type. I'll get you out there. http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/brp/default.htm I was in the Sports Authority at Springfield mall last evening and came across a couple of items of interest to anyone who will be camping in the near future. Dome Tent, by Astral - $29.99 ! 3-sleeper, blue I never heard of Astral. The picture on the box shows a typicle dome tent with enough space to shelter at most 2 people and gear. The box measured roughly 24"x6"x4". In other words, very easy to pack on a motorcycle. This is a great deal for simple shelter folks. Add a wx proof 24"x6" stuff sack if it doesn't already come with one. Bags- Cheap. Use that xtra $$ to by a quality air mattress. Sleeping Bag, Cloud 9 - $14.99 ! 28"x75", Grn, Blu, Blk, Br This looks like it would be roomy enough for small women and children. It is rated down to 50deg, so pack some wool socks and sweats! Sleeping Bag, Coleman FS - $19.99 ! 33"x75", unsure of colors This is a much more roomy bag. I'm unsure of the temp rating, but it probably goes at least to 50deg. Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 10:44:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27467; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07423; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19049 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:42:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA1736 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:35:26 -0800 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 10:41:53 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 10:42:54 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kjareaux@XXXXXX Subject: Help -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Moto Europa (804-355-0550) in Richmond uses a lady who does excellent work, especially two-tone with striping. Joe >>> Kelli Jareaux - 4/3/98 8:07 AM >>> Still looking for a good place to get my bike painted, can anyone make any recommendations? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 11:11:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27856; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08109; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:10:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19863 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 233; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:09:28 -0500 Message-ID: <352509F9.A3540149@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 11:10:33 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C3F@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whaddya talking about? That ain't rocket science! I know, I studied rocket science. :-) I must not be the nerd I thought I was, I've never heard of a galvanic table. Horkster BS, Aerospace Enginerd Degree Penn State University O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Did anyone hear the rocket go over my head? > Us English grad students will never understand. > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 9:40 AM > > To: Todd Peer > > Cc: DC Cycles > > Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. > > > > Nope.. Just came up with the answer.. > > > > Galvanic table!!! Yipee, I'm still a nerd.. he he he > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 11:16:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27913; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08296; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:15:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20048 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <21YAT2RY>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:14:04 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: More bad news for speeders Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:14:10 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Since when? I remember when VA had some of those Monte Carlos years ago but I have never seen VA with Mustangs, Camaro's, or Jeeps. Where in the state of VA have you seen these? Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > And here in VA the Troopers use the big luxo Jeeps, Camaros, and a > couple of Mustang Cobras... nice to see my tax money being spent on hot > rods for the state. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 11:17:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27935; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08331; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:16:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20074 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <21YATPG0>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:48:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: horkster , DC Cycles List Subject: RE: Old vs New, revisited Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:49:01 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I had a feeling you might lighten up on some of these if you ever bought a more modern bike. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Hey guys, remember this post? > Yeah, I'm eating some crow now, but it doesn't taste too bad! :-) > > Once upon a time the Horkster, a hypocrite extraordinaire, wrote: > > > > HORKSTER'S TOP 10 LIST OF USELESS NEW BIKE TECHNOLOGY > > > > 1. Liquid Cooling - one more component to break down, gotta flush it > > every year > > Yep, I did have to top off the Concours' overflow tank already: > Stand on head, remove two screws and plastic cover, remove cap, > wedge bottle of distilled water in place, pour carefully. > > This Ninja engine runs *HOT*! Lots of heat pumped out onto the rider's > lower legs. Might be nice in the winter, but it will might be > a drag in the warmer months... FWIW, the temp gauge has only > ever gone up to halfway when I was putzing around in town, but > there's a big fire going on under all that plastic. > > > 2. Electric start without a kickstart backup system. - batteries do > > die, you know. > > I don't know if I can even bump start the Connie, I sort of tried > it once at speed. Didn't see anything mentioned in the manual. Darn. > > > 3. Liquid Crystal Display guages - cheap, fog prone, don't display in > > cold weather > > I've got one LCD clock, so far so good, can't really count that. > All the other gauges are the way nature intended! :-) > > > 4. Electronic Fuel Injection - what's the point? > > Nope, got me old-fashioned Carbs on the Connie! It's never gonna sit > for long, so hopefully I'll never ever have to clean them. :-) > > > 5. Air Adjustable shocks - more containers on the bike that don't > > hold air > > Got myself there. Air adjustable rear shock. I hope it holds up. > > > 6. Hydraulic Clutches - no feel, can't adjust, another master > > cyclinder on the handlebar. > > Well, the clutch is hydraulic, but the lever is adjustable, so > I sort of stand corrected. It's not too bad. > > > 7. Anti Lock Brakes - let me stop the bike, please. > > The only ABS on my bike is the plastic. D'oh! > > > 8. Plastic Fairings - aerodynamic? not with cracks in them... > > Let's just hope I never do any major fairing busting! :-) > > > 8. Fuel Guages - not typically accurate, from what I've heard. I do > > better with tripmeters. > > Best of all worlds here, I've got a fuel gauge that registers 'E' > right before reserve kicks in, and I've got not one, but TWO trip- > meters on the Connie! Now I can use one to track mileage on a > tankfull and still be able to reset the other one for Poker Runs > and group rides with the map sheets. Heh! I like it! :-) > > > 9. On-board computer chips - Don't these run off the battery? All the time? > > I think I'm safe here, only thing running off the battery is the > clock. > > > 10. This isn't new technology, but what's with the lack of 4-way > > emergency flashers on a lot of new bikes nowadays? My 78 Kawasaki > > had them, they are a useful, practical, inexpensive safety device. > > > Why isn't this standard equipment like turn signals? > > No gripes here, got the 4-ways on the Concours. > > So what's the score? My bike has 6 of the 11 "faults" mentioned above > (yes, 11, I had two #8's! :-), but it's not quite as bad as I feared. > > The Concours is a way different bike than what I'm used to, but I think > it will be way more versatile and easy to live with. So far, I'm > pleased. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 11:18:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27956; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08347; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20115 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 398; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:16:26 -0500 Message-ID: <35250B9B.E6B0FECA@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 11:17:31 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: DC-Cycles to Deals Gap and Camping References: <19980403153039.BXQT493@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > For you Deal's Gap adventurers, here are some pretty good deals I found. > If you haven't signed up to ride with us, go to the DC-Cycles Deals' > Gap adventure page and check it out. Then send me an email with the > year of your bike and type. Todd, You might as well update the section for my bike. :-) I never expected that to happen in my wildest dreams when we first started planning this trip! Coolness abounds. With any luck, I'll have the LTD sold this weekend. It might not go too far, I've got a new neighbor who is interested! We've also got a cool air mattress pump that runs off the Chase Cage's cigarette lighter socket. I'll make sure Tracy brings that along. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 11:46:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28427; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08726; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:44:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21133 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:44:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Fri Apr 3 10:45 CST 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id KAA11937 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:44:52 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5EF5.E68ED240@XXXXXX>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:44:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: NO MC Content; Small Claims Court Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:44:45 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Following my accident last Sunday, I am now considering taking my grievance with the other driver's insurance company to small claims court. (Assuming I can validate my claim that my vehicle is worth more than what they are offering me) Does anyone know the process of filing a case? Where do I have to do it? (The city where the accident occurred or where?) Thanks. John Carver '98 VFR (That I should be riding right now with this great weather) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 11:48:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28614; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08746; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:47:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known lds96.com [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21274 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD5EF5.71DE6280@XXXXXX>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:41:30 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: More bad news for speeders Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:41:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Camaro's and Mustangs have been more towards the southern part of the state...but I have seen the Cherokee up here... it's a silver/grey with EXTREMELY blacked out windows around the back.... it's the sneakiest of them all. Also... Faquier Cnty uses Mustang GT's.... saw a guy pulled over by a Sheriff driving one back last summer.... really light blue in color. Just so ya know... -Tom '86 VFR750F >-----Original Message----- >From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 1:14 PM >To: DC Cycles >Subject: RE: More bad news for speeders > >Since when? I remember when VA had some of those Monte Carlos years ago but >I have never seen VA with Mustangs, Camaro's, or Jeeps. Where in the state >of VA have you seen these? > >Glenn Dysart >dysart@XXXXXX > >84 V30 Magna > > >> And here in VA the Troopers use the big luxo Jeeps, Camaros, and a >> couple of Mustang Cobras... nice to see my tax money being spent on hot >> rods for the state. >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 11:55:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28819; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08785; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21878 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:54:04 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA27534 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:54:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199804031654.AA27534@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:54:27 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:54:27 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:54:27 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:06:27 -0500 Subject: Who Sez We Don't Have No Culture! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3523CE73.31917111@geocities.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME *** Hell's Angel hits sour note with Quebec orchestra The gig is up for Claude Berger, who led a double life as a sedate member of the Quebec City Symphony Orchestra and a gun-owning member of the Hell's Angels motorcycle gang. The Quebec City newspaper Le Soleil reported Thursday that Berger, 47, was fired by the orchestra this week. He was arrested in April of last year for possession of illegal firearms - a hand-made "pen gun" and a sawed-off shotgun. Berger was the orchestra's third trumpeter, but since his arrest, the orchestra has performed works that require only two trumpets. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2553589709-50e From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 12:06:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29005; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:06:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08976; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22292 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:05:49 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA28482 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:06:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199804031706.AA28482@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:06:24 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:06:24 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:06:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:47:15 -0500 Subject: Now That Spring is in the Air... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35250B9B.E6B0FECA@tidalwave.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...my neighbor and recent new friend is interested in getting a bike to commute from Herndon to the Pentagon (he's a Major in the Army)...he's asked me for recommendations..he doesn't want anything TOO expensive and most likely is looking for something that he can ride year around. I suggested a Hondabago (Winger) since he always has a bunch of crap (briefcase etc) that he takes with him and he would also have the comfort of stowing his helmet away in the rear trunk instead of hauling it around with him from building to building....along with his other gear... Suggestions? -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 12:11:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29101; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09089; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.40]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22502 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id VRLMa14967; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:10:44 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <7807c5bf.35251817@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:10:44 EST To: jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: NO MC Content; Small Claims Court Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 John and anyone else who may be interested: I reccommend Nolo Press. They have a book about small claims court, whci was a big help for me to deal with a difficult landlord a few years ago. They also have a web site, which has a pretty good FAQ about small claims court. You can find it from their homepage at www.nolo.com or you can go directly to it: http://www.nolo.com/ChunkCM/CM.index.html or you can order the book: http://www.nolo.com/item/NSCC.html I'd lend you my copy, but I lent it to my sister and she lent it to someone else. I don't work for them, but have used several of their books over the years and found them to be excellent. Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 12:26:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29397; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09488; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net (known loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23042 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11016; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:25:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17138; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:25:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804031725.MAA17138@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... To: aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:25:44 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <199804031706.AA28482@egate2.citicorp.com> from "aki.damme@citicorp.com" at Apr 3, 98 11:47:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > I suggested a Hondabago (Winger) since he always has a bunch > of crap (briefcase etc) that he takes with him and he would > also have the comfort of stowing his helmet away in the rear > trunk instead of hauling it around with him from building to > building....along with his other gear... > > Suggestions? > > -aki You don't really need a Wing to carry around a load of stuff anymore. It's not that expensive to get a full Givi set up which can hold a lot of things in it. My top box alone hold a briefcase, gloves and a rainsuit. If you get side bags too you can multiply your space. They also hold 2 full face helmets for storage. Not that a Wing is bad, but storage doesn't need to be the only reason to get it anymore. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 13:15:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00226; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10845; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:14:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24391 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:14:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5F02.42C39850@XXXXXX>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:13:15 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Cc: Subject: RE: DC-Cycles to Deals Gap and Camping Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:13:13 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 38 TEXT Excuse me - don't be giving away my air mattress, punk. I plan on using it....... ---------- From: horkster[SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 11:17 AM To: Todd Peer Cc: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: DC-Cycles to Deals Gap and Camping Todd Peer wrote: > > For you Deal's Gap adventurers, here are some pretty good deals I found. > If you haven't signed up to ride with us, go to the DC-Cycles Deals' > Gap adventure page and check it out. Then send me an email with the > year of your bike and type. Todd, You might as well update the section for my bike. :-) I never expected that to happen in my wildest dreams when we first started planning this trip! Coolness abounds. With any luck, I'll have the LTD sold this weekend. It might not go too far, I've got a new neighbor who is interested! We've also got a cool air mattress pump that runs off the Chase Cage's cigarette lighter socket. I'll make sure Tracy brings that along. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 13:26:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00365; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10919; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:26:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24530 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVFN0XPGZ48ZKK4T@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:24:44 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:19:55 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:19:55 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:19:20 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... In-reply-to: <199804031706.AA28482@egate2.citicorp.com> To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:19:22 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1557IHY2UYBV X400-MTS-identifier: [;55913130408991/2498261@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >I suggested a Hondabago (Winger) since he always has a bunch >of crap (briefcase etc) that he takes with him and he would >also have the comfort of stowing his helmet away in the rear >trunk instead of hauling it around with him from building to >building....along with his other gear... How about a PC800? They sound like perfect commuter bikes (I've thought about getting one for that purpose). Speaking of buying bikes, I pulled into the garage at work today to see not one but two new bikes: an R1100R (or RS?) with 299 miles on it and a Katana with the new style bodywork. I really think they did a good job improving the look of the Katanas. I still wonder why you'd buy one since you could get a host of used bikes that are better for about the same money... but they do look better, IMO. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 13:26:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00368; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10923; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:26:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24537 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVFN0XPGZ48ZKK4T@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:25:21 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:22:01 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:22:01 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:21:27 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... In-reply-to: <199804031725.MAA17138@shell.clark.net> To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:21:28 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1557IHY2V86D X400-MTS-identifier: [;10223130408991/2498271@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >You don't really need a Wing to carry around a load of stuff anymore. >It's not that expensive to get a full Givi set up which can hold a lot >of things in it. My top box alone hold a briefcase, gloves and a >rainsuit. If you get side bags too you can multiply your space. They >also hold 2 full face helmets for storage. Bags aren't standard on the connie? Or did you just supplement with the Givi box? As dirt cheap as the Concours are they're a good choice. I just thought they came with hard bags. I still say buy used... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 14:06:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00958; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11386; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26035 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA23850 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by mscex.MSC.USCG.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5F09.A0CB8A00@XXXXXX>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:05:59 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: non-moto: joke from the site Coleen recommended Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:05:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the url to the Nolo Press site Coleen... Good information there. While perusing their site, I came across these... plenty of lawyer bashing jokes: http://www.nolo.com/jokes/jokes.html Collin T. Fagan LTjg, USCG Staff Engineer USCG Marine Safety Center From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 14:24:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01176; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11534; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:24:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26497 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:24:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804031924.OAA26497@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2FVTK6MW>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:23:39 -0500 From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC Cycles , Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:17:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... Author: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 [SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] at DISAHUB Date: 4/3/98 1:19 PM >>I suggested a Hondabago (Winger) since he always has a bunch >>of crap (briefcase etc) that he takes with him and he would >>also have the comfort of stowing his helmet away in the rear >>trunk instead of hauling it around with him from building to >>building....along with his other gear... >How about a PC800? They sound like perfect commuter bikes (I've thought >about getting one for that purpose). >Speaking of buying bikes, I pulled into the garage at work today to see >not one but two new bikes: an R1100R (or RS?) with 299 miles on it and >a Katana with the new style bodywork. I really think they did a good >job improving the look of the Katanas. I still wonder why you'd buy one >since you could get a host of used bikes that are better for about the >same money... but they do look better, IMO. ...and a PC 800 is the perfect "woman's bike" to recommend to your male, armed forces neighbor >;) Tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 14:28:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01262; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11586; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26690 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 549 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:26:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3525383C.1FC611AB@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 14:27:56 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: 500 Mile Service: Free? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody know offhand if Coleman PoserSport in Woodbridge does a new bike's 500 mile service for free, or do they charge for labor/parts? Heck, can I take it to any dealer for the service? I'm new at this new bike stuff... I suppose I could call them, but I'd probably get 3 different answers depending on whether Moe, Larry, or Curly answers the phone... :-) All these good questions I never thought to ask when I was drooling over the new bike last Monday... Thanks, -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours (425.3 miles and counting) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 14:31:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01392; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:31:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11649; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net (known loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26967 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19349 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:31:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11772 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:31:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804031931.OAA11772@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:31:27 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Forwarded message: > From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 > Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... > >You don't really need a Wing to carry around a load of stuff anymore. > >It's not that expensive to get a full Givi set up which can hold a lot > >of things in it. My top box alone hold a briefcase, gloves and a > >rainsuit. If you get side bags too you can multiply your space. They > >also hold 2 full face helmets for storage. > > Bags aren't standard on the connie? Or did you just supplement with the > Givi box? > > As dirt cheap as the Concours are they're a good choice. I just thought > they came with hard bags. Supplemented. I like the looks and the extra capacity. Plus a top load system is a cinch. I'm the kind of guy who always takes a little too much (but I might need it....) plus I like adding toys to the bike. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 14:38:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01545; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11754; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27369 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:36:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 344; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:35:44 -0500 Message-ID: <35253A4E.5D297E8C@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 14:36:46 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Connie Boxes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy asked: > > Bags aren't standard on the connie? Or did you just supplement with the > Givi box? > > As dirt cheap as the Concours are they're a good choice. I just thought > they came with hard bags. > Kirk, You are right, Connies come with hard saddlebags standard. Louis has a Givi top box on his. Looks pretty cool, I might add. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 14:46:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01701; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:46:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11970; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:46:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28033 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:46:07 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA05559 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:46:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199804031946.AA05559@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:46:38 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:46:38 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:46:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:43:04 -0500 Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199804031924.OAA26497@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...you know...maybe it's me but a PC800 (IMHO) is just about the BUTT UGLIEST bike I've seen since the advent of the Radian...it looks like a great big honking scooter on steriods...I know it's reputed to be a really nice bike and a great ride but knowing Jeff like I do, I seriously doubt he'd even consider a PC800!!! 8-P cheers, -aki > Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... > Author: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 [SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] at > > DISAHUB > Date: 4/3/98 1:19 PM > > > >>I suggested a Hondabago (Winger) since he always has a bunch > >>of crap (briefcase etc) that he takes with him and he would > >>also have the comfort of stowing his helmet away in the rear > >>trunk instead of hauling it around with him from building to > >>building....along with his other gear... > > >How about a PC800? They sound like perfect commuter bikes (I've thought > >about getting one for that purpose). > > >Speaking of buying bikes, I pulled into the garage at work today to see > >not one but two new bikes: an R1100R (or RS?) with 299 miles on it and > >a Katana with the new style bodywork. I really think they did a good > >job improving the look of the Katanas. I still wonder why you'd buy one > >since you could get a host of used bikes that are better for about the > >same money... but they do look better, IMO. > > > ...and a PC 800 is the perfect "woman's bike" to recommend to your male, > armed > forces neighbor >;) > > Tom > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 14:56:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01817; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12193; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28427 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:55:02 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA06051 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:55:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199804031955.AA06051@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:55:22 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:55:22 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:55:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:52:19 -0500 Subject: 500 Mile Service: Free? To: horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3525383C.1FC611AB@tidalwave.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ..I'd be very suprised if Coleman would offer ANYTHING for free... -aki > Anybody know offhand if Coleman PoserSport in Woodbridge > does a new bike's 500 mile service for free, or do they charge > for labor/parts? Heck, can I take it to any dealer for the > service? I'm new at this new bike stuff... > > I suppose I could call them, but I'd probably get 3 different > answers depending on whether Moe, Larry, or Curly answers > the phone... :-) > > All these good questions I never thought to ask when I was > drooling over the new bike last Monday... > > Thanks, > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours (425.3 miles and counting) > 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 14:57:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01829; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12211; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known [205.215.54.51] [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28510 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA12254; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:57:43 -0500 Message-ID: <35253E67.11EAD8F1@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 14:54:15 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: aki.damme@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... References: <199804031725.MAA17138@shell.clark.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with Louis, my 24 gallon (90 liter) hard luggage was purchased at WalMart for about $25. It works fine on the 250. Leon. > > You don't really need a Wing to carry around a load of stuff anymore. > It's not that expensive to get a full Givi set up which can hold a lot > of things in it. My top box alone hold a briefcase, gloves and a rainsuit. > If you get side bags too you can multiply your space. They also hold 2 full > face helmets for storage. > > Not that a Wing is bad, but storage doesn't need to be the only reason > to get it anymore. > > Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 15:11:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02000; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12433; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:09:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29066 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19248 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:09:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19042 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:09:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804032009.PAA19042@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Connie Boxes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:09:52 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Forwarded message: > > Kirk Roy asked: > > > > Bags aren't standard on the connie? Or did you just supplement with the > > Givi box? > > Kirk, > > You are right, Connies come with hard saddlebags standard. > Louis has a Givi top box on his. Looks pretty cool, I might add. Sorry Tracy. I'll try not to give him too many ideas, like gold pinstriping, a Rifle Fairing, a Russell Saddle.... Anyone know a good pinstriper in the area? I got the address of one near the Springfield Mall, but couldn't find it. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 15:18:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02146; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12604; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29361 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA16122; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA00252; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980403201648.FIP18677@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:16:48 -0600 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:01 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "horkster" CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: 500 Mile Service: Free? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980403201648.FIP18677@[166.41.242.141]> C'mon Dale! Look who you're talking about there! Of course they're gonna' charge you, and you'd be lucky to get away for anything less than $200! Now, what exactly are they going to do? Do you have your service manual yet? The 500 mile service basically is a front to back check of major components (no loose fasteners, leaky pipes, or anything out of the ordinary), change of oil and filter, top off water coolant, change the hypoid (you're a shafty now), and check the carb synchro. If it needs it they should do the synchro. That's about all, and boy do you pay for it. Now the question becomes, do they really actually do all this stuff? I don't know, but I'm generally a suspicious person anyway and would not let a shop do these sort of things if I could do it myself. And I can! I paid about $145 over 5 years ago to CP for the 500 mile service on my CB750. Yeah, I felt, "gee, I'm sure glad these guys know what to do during my mysterious 500 mile check". All they did was change the oil (put too much in), adjust and lube the chain (too much lube, rained everywhere and gunked up the guard). Ymmv and all that, but you can/will do these things. Todd Dale Horstman wrote: >Anybody know offhand if Coleman PoserSport in Woodbridge >does a new bike's 500 mile service for free, or do they charge >for labor/parts? Heck, can I take it to any dealer for the >service? I'm new at this new bike stuff... > >I suppose I could call them, but I'd probably get 3 different >answers depending on whether Moe, Larry, or Curly answers >the phone... :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 15:22:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02224; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:22:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12644; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:21:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29534 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:21:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA27742 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:21:31 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:21:31 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:24:09 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 9 TEXT >.it looks like a great big honking scooter on steriods Strangely enough, I LIKE the look of the Helix (on the Helix) but don't like it on the PC I'm confused Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 15:32:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02365; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:32:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12715; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29848 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5F15.3A5394F0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:29:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:29:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 39 TEXT And just want does it take for a bike to be considered a "woman's bike"? ---------- >From: Mersch, Tom[SMTP:merscht@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 2:17 PM To: DC Cycles; Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... Author: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 [SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] at DISAHUB Date: 4/3/98 1:19 PM >>I suggested a Hondabago (Winger) since he always has a bunch >>of crap (briefcase etc) that he takes with him and he would >>also have the comfort of stowing his helmet away in the rear >>trunk instead of hauling it around with him from building to >>building....along with his other gear... >How about a PC800? They sound like perfect commuter bikes (I've thought >about getting one for that purpose). >Speaking of buying bikes, I pulled into the garage at work today to see >not one but two new bikes: an R1100R (or RS?) with 299 miles on it and >a Katana with the new style bodywork. I really think they did a good >job improving the look of the Katanas. I still wonder why you'd buy one >since you could get a host of used bikes that are better for about the >same money... but they do look better, IMO. ...and a PC 800 is the perfect "woman's bike" to recommend to your male, armed forces neighbor >;) Tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 15:32:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02376; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12724; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29882 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:31:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 432; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:30:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3525471E.7C5C4172@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:31:26 -0500 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: 500 Mile Service: Free? References: <19980403201648.FIP18677@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But do I void the warranty if I don't have them do this first service? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 15:36:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02448; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12781; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:35:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.worldbank.org (known smtp01.worldbank.org [138.220.3.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00087 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:35:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org ([138.220.29.7]) by worldbank.org (PMDF V5.1-8 #16195) with SMTP id <01IVFQM1YT1M9KMYO0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:06:04 EDT Received: by WBLN0014.worldbank.org(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.1.03 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:06:43 -0500 From: "Perry D. Coleman" Subject: Re: 500 Mile Service: Free? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852565DB.006E37DD.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii At the risk of sounding like I'm defending Coleman PowerSports, I have never heard of ANY dealer that did not charge for the 500 mile service (at least with Kawasaki.) My wife's Eliminator cost about $160 for the 500 mile service. Most of that was for the labor. The good news is that it should be a fairly standard charge and anything that is bad should be replaced under warranty. However, it still takes time to adjust valves or carburetors, etc. and you will pay for that. Regards, Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 15:50:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02667; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12981; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:49:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00747 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:49:13 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA08321 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:49:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199804032049.AA08321@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:49:48 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:49:48 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:49:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:46:47 -0500 Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...wimmin puddles on the seat? ;-) > And just want does it take for a bike to be considered a "woman's bike"? > > > ---------- > From: Mersch, Tom[SMTP:merscht@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 2:17 PM > To: DC Cycles; Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 > Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... > > Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... > Author: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 [SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] at > > DISAHUB > Date: 4/3/98 1:19 PM > > > >>I suggested a Hondabago (Winger) since he always has a bunch > >>of crap (briefcase etc) that he takes with him and he would > >>also have the comfort of stowing his helmet away in the rear > >>trunk instead of hauling it around with him from building to > >>building....along with his other gear... > > >How about a PC800? They sound like perfect commuter bikes (I've thought > >about getting one for that purpose). > > >Speaking of buying bikes, I pulled into the garage at work today to see > >not one but two new bikes: an R1100R (or RS?) with 299 miles on it and > >a Katana with the new style bodywork. I really think they did a good > >job improving the look of the Katanas. I still wonder why you'd buy one > >since you could get a host of used bikes that are better for about the > >same money... but they do look better, IMO. > > > ...and a PC 800 is the perfect "woman's bike" to recommend to your male, > armed > forces neighbor >;) > > Tom > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 15:50:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02678; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12987; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00758 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:49:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA00752 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:49:20 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:49:20 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:51:58 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 12 TEXT >And just want does it take for a bike to be considered a "woman's bike"? Step-through frame White basket on handlebars with flowers Pastel paint scheme White hand grips The usual stuff... Michael (I normally wouldn't touch this thread with a 10' pole) Jordan > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 16:10:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03013; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13265; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01531 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id QAA25635; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:08:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:06:22 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C61@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:07:11 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Something non-sportbike. That's the most common comment I get, "Oh, a GIRL on a SPORTbike!!??" - Jeannette (I like to sit back & watch the flames on these threads!!) ; ) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 3:52 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... > > >And just want does it take for a bike to be considered a "woman's > bike"? > > Step-through frame > White basket on handlebars with flowers > Pastel paint scheme > White hand grips > > The usual stuff... > > Michael (I normally wouldn't touch this thread with a 10' pole) Jordan > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 16:12:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03034; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13283; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:11:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01580 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:11:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA00504; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:11:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA25463; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980403211113.FHMO493@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:11:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 16:00 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "horkster" CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: 500 Mile Service: Free? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980403211113.FHMO493@[166.41.242.141]> I don't know if you would void the warranty or not. Look at it and see if there is anything in there that says all work must be done by a qualified Kawasaki mechanic. As I understand warranties, they are written for mileage and/or years of service concerning workmanship of the bike itself. Where it's written for labor, that only applies if you allow the dealership to do the work. As long as you don't screw something up while working on the bike, you should be fine. Todd Dale Horstman replied: >But do I void the warranty if I don't have them do this >first service? > >Todd Peer wrote: >> >> C'mon Dale! Look who you're talking about there! Of course they're >> gonna' charge you, and you'd be lucky to get away for anything less >> than $200! >> >> Ymmv and all that, but you can/will do these things. >> >> Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 16:38:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03339; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:38:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13579; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02381 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:36:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA06744; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:36:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv3-11.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.75) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma006678; Fri Apr 3 15:35:57 1998 Message-ID: <3524D648.2F87@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 04:30:00 -0800 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, aki.damme@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... References: <199804031706.AA28482@egate2.citicorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > ...my neighbor and recent new friend is interested in getting > a bike to commute from Herndon to the Pentagon (he's a Major > in the Army)...he's asked me for recommendations..he doesn't > want anything TOO expensive and most likely is looking for > something that he can ride year around. > > -aki How about something thile the Honda PC800 (Pacific Coast). Easier for a newbie than the Gold Wing, with lots of Storage Space. Plus they are available at som prety good prices. There were a bunch of 96 Calif leftover model PC800's floating around for around $5000.00 new. There was one at the Honda dealer in Winchester. I thought about it myself, but dont have that much saved up yet. ;(( -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 17:20:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03995; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13968; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03329 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:18:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1DRWa24517 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:18:12 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <564fed1a.35256026@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:18:12 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: 500 Mile Service: Free? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Over the years I have processed warranty claims for BMW, Ducati, Triumph and Suzuki motorcycles (I worked in a few shops). At least for those brands, doing the maintenance yourself will not void the warranty. However, you must document the maintenance to protect yourself. Save all your parts receipts, including for oil and spark plugs. Keep a maintenance log too. Write down everything you do, along with the mileage and date. Get a service checklist, and make sure you do everything on it. Hypothetical circumstance: Your engine burns a valve. You try to get your shop to fix it under warranty, but you don't have a receipt for a valve cover gasket (let's assume the model bike you have needs new gaskets every time), and you can't supply a document indicating what the clearances were last time you checked them. Think any shop will try to put a claim like that through? I sure wouldn't have. Colleen >>But do I void the warranty if I don't have them do this >>first service? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 17:43:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04288; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14967; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:41:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03951 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:41:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id OAA16429; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id OAA18821; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:45:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id OAA28864; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:41:14 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id OAA28854; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:41:12 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5F0E.87D75920@XXXXXX>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:41:04 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:36:26 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Well that's better that "wimmin puddles", whatever the heck those are. ;) Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 12:52 PM >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... > >>And just want does it take for a bike to be considered a "woman's bike"? > >Step-through frame >White basket on handlebars with flowers >Pastel paint scheme >White hand grips > >The usual stuff... > >Michael (I normally wouldn't touch this thread with a 10' pole) Jordan > >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 18:09:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04775; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:09:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16818; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05064 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:08:04 -0500 (EST) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.75.152]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA18056; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:07:31 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980403180703.006af990@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 18:07:03 -0600 To: "horkster" , Todd Peer , DC Cycles List Subject: voiding warranties, was Re: 500 Mile Service In-Reply-To: <3525471E.7C5C4172@tidalwave.net> References: <19980403201648.FIP18677@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:31 PM 4/3/98 -0500, horkster wrote: >But do I void the warranty if I don't have them do this >first service? > > dale-- The Magnusson-Moss Waranty act of 1975 says your warranty will remain in force regardless of who services the bike (or car) and the source of parts. If the manufacturer requires a specific parts brand or service location, it must provide those things absolutely free of charge. They may require that you use a SF grade oil of your choice and change it every so many miles, for example, but beyond that they have no power. So, if they ever question your warranty, prove that you did the required service (receipts for parts and a simple note in your service manual should do it) and you're fine. later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 19:24:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05587; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22662; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:22:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06378 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-219-216.pitb.grid.net [207.205.219.216]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA00561 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:22:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980403192420.006a5f10@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 19:24:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Ouch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Funeral Escort Killed in Kansas Friday, April 3, 1998; 2:49 p.m. EST WICHITA, Kan. (AP) -- A motorcycle escort trying to catch up with a funeral procession was killed when he rear-ended a car carrying mourners. Bruce E. Wendt, a 32-year-old employee of a funeral home, died Thursday. No one in the Lincoln Town car was hurt. Wendt had blocked traffic at an intersection to let the procession go by, then apparently tried to catch up and went around a curve too fast. Copyright 1998 The Associated Press From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 3 23:31:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07964; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27061; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:30:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09994 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23453; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:30:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from leon-at-home (cust043.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.43]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA26326 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:32:32 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980404042544.0068b0b8@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 23:25:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... You know, bikes like Honda Rebel and PC800, Ninja 250, Suzuki Savage or any other bike under 500cc. No real man would ever be seen riding any of those. Right, Dale? At 15:29 3-04-98 -0500, you wrote: >And just want does it take for a bike to be considered a "woman's bike"? > Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 00:06:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08573; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27556; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10575 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:05:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA23057; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:12:52 -0500 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:12:51 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: aki.damme@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... In-Reply-To: <199804031706.AA28482@egate2.citicorp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 3 Apr 1998 aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > ...my neighbor and recent new friend is interested in getting > a bike to commute from Herndon to the Pentagon (he's a Major > in the Army)...he's asked me for recommendations..he doesn't > > I suggested a Hondabago (Winger) since he always has a bunch > > Suggestions? If this is an experienced rider, he doesn't need my recommendation; if not, he should start MUCH smaller than any GoldWing. --garcia "Caution: Cape does not enable user to fly." Batman costume warning label From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 00:22:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08880; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28090; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10714 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA24922; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:29:06 -0500 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:29:05 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" cc: George Howell , DC Cycles Subject: Re: too much safety? Not really on topic. In-Reply-To: <3524C788.C6A46663@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > George Howell wrote: > > > Read the same thing about Fords. Has to do with some platinum coating on > > the radiator or something along those lines. Acts as a big catalyst. In > > theory. How are you gonna test something like that? > > > I think you mean Anode (cathode? get em mixed sometimes) rather than > catalyst... > It is very unlikely that platinum would act as a catylyst in most any > chemical reaction. It is however used as an electrode due to its > terrific wear/corrosion resistance and its very high position on > the..errr chemistry memory failing here... the chart that places a lot > of metals in referance to each other on how well they will be > anodes/cathodes.... > Platinum is a widely-used catalyst a (and is used in the catalytic converters in cars). It is also chemically and electrochemically inert under most conditions, and is therefore used as an electrode. The chart you're referring to is called the electromotive force series. --garcia "The police reported that the victim suffered at least two broken legs." Leo Rosten From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 00:47:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09247; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:47:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28425; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11277 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from rdt.erols.com (207-172-52-150.s150.tnt1.brd.erols.com [207.172.52.150]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA25956; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:46:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804040546.AAA25956@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , Subject: Re: Maintenance party Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:44:41 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When does the "party" start and how long will it last? Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Maintenance party > Date: Thursday, April 02, 1998 9:11 PM > > Here's the url for directions to my house: > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/directions.html > > Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > > > I'll make a web page with directions to my house from various directions > > and post the url in a bit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 02:02:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09942; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29372; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12162 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.44] (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 04 Apr 1998 02:00:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 500 Mile Service: Free? Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 02:02:31 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "horkster" , "DC Cycles List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Anybody know offhand if Coleman PoserSport in Woodbridge >does a new bike's 500 mile service for free, or do they charge >for labor/parts? Heck, can I take it to any dealer for the >service? I'm new at this new bike stuff... Unless they told you up front, plan on shelling out some money for the service. You can get it done anywhere, but I'd get it done by an authorized Kawi dealer. Save your receipt. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 02:02:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09947; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:02:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29380; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12170 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.44] (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 04 Apr 1998 02:00:29 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 02:02:38 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >As dirt cheap as the Concours are they're a good choice. I just thought >they came with hard bags. > >I still say buy used... Atlantic Cycle was trying to sell a Connie on consignment. Don't know if it's still there. Morton's BMW had a used Connie a few weeks ago (check homepage www.mortons.com) that the previous owner put a nifty white paint job on. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 02:02:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09945; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:02:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29368; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12158 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.44] (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 04 Apr 1998 02:00:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 02:02:27 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Jordan, Michael'" , "\"'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'\" " Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Something non-sportbike. That's the most common comment I get, "Oh, a >GIRL on a SPORTbike!!??" My brother (why do all of my good stories start like that anymore?) was sitting down to lunch at school today (College Park). Looked over, and saw a somewhat attractive girl with close cut hair (I believe SWMBO refers to it as an 'elf cut') reading a copy of Sport Rider, and talking about her CB1. So my brother thinks 'cute girl, has a bike. What's the catch?' After a few minutes discussion about bikes, it turns out that my brother wasn't her type. Nor me. Nor, apparantly, was anyone who can pee standing up. The conversation ended about thirty seconds later. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 02:02:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09948; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:02:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29376; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12166 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.44] (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 04 Apr 1998 02:00:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 500 Mile Service: Free? Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 02:02:34 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" , "horkster" cc: "DC Cycles List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Now the question becomes, do they really actually do all this stuff? >I don't know, but I'm generally a suspicious person anyway and would >not let a shop do these sort of things if I could do it myself. And >I can! I paid about $145 over 5 years ago to CP for the 500 >mile service on my CB750. Yeah, I felt, "gee, I'm sure glad these >guys know what to do during my mysterious 500 mile check". All they >did was change the oil (put too much in), adjust and lube the chain >(too much lube, rained everywhere and gunked up the guard). > >Ymmv and all that, but you can/will do these things. You better believe YMMV. My ZL had a valve adjust, all fluids changed (not just topped off). Carb sync, etc, etc. Only paid about $175 for it. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 02:02:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09951; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29384; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12176 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.44] (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 04 Apr 1998 02:00:32 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 500 Mile Service: Free? Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 02:02:40 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Perry D. Coleman" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > My wife's Eliminator cost about $160 for the 500 mile >service. Ha! My guesstimate on what I paid was right:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 02:02:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09960; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:02:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29388; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12185 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.44] (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 04 Apr 1998 02:00:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 02:02:43 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Speaking of buying bikes, I pulled into the garage at work today to see >not one but two new bikes: an R1100R (or RS?) with 299 miles on it and a >Katana with the new style bodywork. I really think they did a good job >improving the look of the Katanas. I still wonder why you'd buy one >since you could get a host of used bikes that are better for about the >same money... but they do look better, IMO. Faired:R1100RS (or RT) Nekkid bike:R (or possibly GS if it has a 'snout') Those new Katanas are nice, and all that, but you can get last year's leftover for about $1500 less with good financing. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 02:02:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09972; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29392; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12190 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.44] (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 04 Apr 1998 02:00:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: More bad news for speeders Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 02:02:46 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Tom Zell" , "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "\"'DC Cycles'\" " Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >The Camaro's and Mustangs have been more towards the southern part of >the state...but I have seen the Cherokee up here... it's a silver/grey >with EXTREMELY blacked out windows around the back.... it's the >sneakiest of them all. Speaking of Camaros..... My brother was touring some colleges in SC a few weeks back in my father's Town Car. Got pulled over by a 1998 Z28. Silver with a yellow stripe along the side. Indistinguishable, until you are right next to it, and in barely contrasting reflector yellow, it says 'South Carolina State Highway Patrol'. To make a long story short: 87 in a 50 4 points $150 fine. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 02:02:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09980; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:02:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29396; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12195 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:01:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.44] (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sat, 04 Apr 1998 02:00:42 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: too much safety? Not really on topic. Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 02:02:49 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Collin T. Fagan'" , "Todd Peer " cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Did anyone hear the rocket go over my head? >Us English grad students will never understand. Some of us swing both ways: Economics/Chemistry undergrad. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 07:21:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12086; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02193; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA14935 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-40-240.s240.tnt11.ann.erols.com [207.172.40.240]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA15525; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:20:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <352625DC.37DE7946@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 07:21:48 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Roy D. Turner" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maintenance party References: <199804040546.AAA25956@smtp2.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, we planned on around noon, but with the rain, we're a little limited on dry places to work... My shed will hold about two (more) bikes at once. Anyone is still welcome to come, but we'll have to tag team on any work that's being done... Directions: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/directions.html (703) 356-4279 Collin Roy D. Turner wrote: > > When does the "party" start and how long will it last? Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 07:25:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12190; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02215; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:24:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA14956 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:24:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-40-240.s240.tnt11.ann.erols.com [207.172.40.240]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA16045; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:24:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <352626F6.C153DAA4@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 07:26:30 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: Tom Zell , "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "\"'DC Cycles'\"" Subject: Re: More bad news for speeders References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a good list of what to look for out there on the highway... One other state listing I say was using these opaque emblems that are nearly invisible until you are on top of them. http://www.speedtrap.com/copcars/ -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 09:19:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12841; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02581; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (known sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16144 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id GAA25409 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 06:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca007.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.78]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id GAA20425 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 06:17:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA007 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 06:18:03 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B67@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'George Howell'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: More bad news for speeders Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 06:17:49 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Correct. My folks live in SC, and I saw TWO of those Camaros on the way to Daytona. --chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: George Howell[SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, April 04, 1998 2:02 AM > To: Tom Zell; 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'; "'DC Cycles'" > Subject: RE: More bad news for speeders > > Speaking of Camaros..... My brother was touring some colleges in SC a > few > weeks back in my father's Town Car. Got pulled over by a 1998 Z28. > Silver > with a yellow stripe along the side. Indistinguishable, until you are > right next to it, and in barely contrasting reflector yellow, it says > 'South Carolina State Highway Patrol'. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 09:32:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12899; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02647; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16242 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:31:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17903 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:31:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35266F59.5543@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 09:35:21 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Chain Info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, Well, I'm not sure how many of y'all are heading over to Colin's for maintenance procedures, but if you want to know more about chains, I found the following URL on the VF/VFR list. Looks interesting enough to share with the list and happily, doesn't appear to be an April Fool's prank ;^P http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcnuts/chain.html Ciao, John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 09:35:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12918; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02661; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:34:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from suntan.kleks.org (known suntan.kleks.org [192.150.241.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16267 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:34:51 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.kleks.org (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA07038 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:36:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804041436.JAA07038@suntan.kleks.org> Subject: Saturday ride (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:36:18 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Saturday dawned clear and bright. > > The following cast of characters showed up for the ride (the list was > made at the Harper's Ferry stop - apologies if anyone was left out) > (Sorry for delay, I was out of office for a week). After we parted at Harper's Ferry gas station, Tom Gimer (ZX-11) and me (CBR-1100XX) continued on route 340 westward. We had a nice ride behind some cops cars, a yahoo in Z28, but we reached rt 11 in good shape. We took rt 11 south to 211. This part is kind of mixed - lot os communities with speed limits, traffic in trucks, etc. If someone knows what might be a nice workaround from Harper's Ferry to 211 in Shenondoah Valley, I am willing to try it. After it, on 211 it was a question how low can we lean bikes. On the east side of BRP, we took short break - to exchange opinions. At this point we found that for each of us it was first ride through 211 on this particular bike. We headed east to 66 for Tom, and 234/659 for me. Very nice day - thanks to all who were riding with to HF ! _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 10:55:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13565; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02976; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:54:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17014 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:54:04 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA20655 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:54:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199804041554.AA20655@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:54:05 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:54:05 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:54:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:52:35 -0500 Subject: RE: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, garicao@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_0_MIME_Boundary_23342.3526579c.wtprod2.cgin.us-md.citicorp.com" ------ =_0_MIME_Boundary_23342.3526579c.wtprod2.cgin.us-md.citicorp.com ...actually he *is* an experienced rider and wants something comfortable to ride on a daily basis to work and back...I suggested something like a Wing only because it's more visible, more comfortable and holds a lot more than a typical cruiser or sport bike. Sorry I didn't mention that in the original question... -aki -----Original Message----- >From: garicao(a)CapAccess.org Sent: Saturday, April 04, 1998 12:13 AM To: Aki Damme Cc: dc-cycles(a)cs.umd.edu Subject: Re: Now That Spring is in the Air... On Fri, 3 Apr 1998 aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > ...my neighbor and recent new friend is interested in getting > a bike to commute from Herndon to the Pentagon (he's a Major > in the Army)...he's asked me for recommendations..he doesn't > > I suggested a Hondabago (Winger) since he always has a bunch > > Suggestions? If this is an experienced rider, he doesn't need my recommendation; if not, he should start MUCH smaller than any GoldWing. --garcia "Caution: Cape does not enable user to fly." 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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:30:28 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 35 TEXT Don't know what those are either. Dale said something about excitement while on a bike - since I ride with him wouldn't know what he would be talking about....... -----Original Message----- >From: Viteri, Ursulina [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 5:36 PM To: 'Jordan, Michael'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Well that's better that "wimmin puddles", whatever the heck those are. ;) Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 12:52 PM >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... > >>And just want does it take for a bike to be considered a "woman's bike"? > >Step-through frame >White basket on handlebars with flowers >Pastel paint scheme >White hand grips > >The usual stuff... > >Michael (I normally wouldn't touch this thread with a 10' pole) Jordan > >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 11:33:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14314; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:33:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03268; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17970 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25716; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:32:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5FBD.22C3D900@XXXXXX>; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:30:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:30:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 19 TEXT Ha-ha-ha-ha -----Original Message----- >From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 11:26 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... You know, bikes like Honda Rebel and PC800, Ninja 250, Suzuki Savage or any other bike under 500cc. No real man would ever be seen riding any of those. Right, Dale? At 15:29 3-04-98 -0500, you wrote: >And just want does it take for a bike to be considered a "woman's bike"? > Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 4 15:05:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23059; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05234; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21627 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:04:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA24063 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:04:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3526BD61.6529@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:08:17 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: FS: GS-450L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gang, the usual disclaimers apply... JK ============================== For Sale: '86 Suzuki GS-450L Motorcycle (stu@XXXXXX (Stu Labovitz), 04/02/98 16:04) For Sale: 1986 Suzuki GS-450L motorcycle. Red paint scheme (although faded), almost no rust/corrosion. Runs great, excellent (55+ mpg) gas mileage. Includes owner's manual, Clymer repair manual, and National Cycle Plexistar 2 windshield. Currently garaged in the Severn, MD area. It has great handling characteristics, so this is a wonderful first/ second 'bike for someone who is not an extremely experienced rider, although it is not a "new rider only" cycle. $950 obo. Please contact me via email if you are interested and want to take a look... Stuart L Labovitz (stu@XXXXXX) DoD #1865 Everything should be made as simple as possible, '86 Suzuki GS450L but not simpler. ---- Albert Einstein (insert standard disclaimer here) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 5 13:21:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21304; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14890; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05873 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-30.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.71]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA20609 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:19:08 -0400 Message-ID: <0ab001bd60b7$1dbf4d40$3710b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Potholes/Saving a leg/FARS/oil analysis/Insurance Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:19:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >From the 'MC-Gettysburg' (back of envelope) pile before gobbling up last of crisp weather -- ***Recently, new DC CMO Camille Barnett "assured her audience she knew all about the city's notorious potholes: 'I've been in several of them. . . . I want [input]:' 202 727 3432. [a human answered a check call!]" Post 3/24 p.D03. ***This MC Consumer News article, a bit medically gruesome, seems noteworthy in revealing a sleeper of a serious laydown hazard. http://www.mcnews.com/depts/physical.htm [From Another List] ***Re checking out bikes -- wonder if this holds true for all types? [FAL] > I want to check > on recalls/service bulletins . . .. How does one go about > finding them? >Have your dealer order you a set of microfiche for your model. Besides >part and specification info, it includes all applicable recalls and >service bulletins. Cost about $3.00. You can usually find access to a >viewer at a public library. ***Re oil analysis -- any experience here? [FA national L] >I just came back from Autozone where I bought mobil 1 for the bike going to switch after reading all the comments here. At the counter they had a Mobil oil analysis kit to sent your oil to Titan labs in denver to get it analyzed, picked it up for $10.25. I know there are a lot of ex navy guys in this group, I was the fuel king on [an SSN] and we used to send oil samples off for analysis. Didn't do much with the reports except put them in a binder. Has anyone had their oil analyzed?< ***Notes on recent personal DC MC insurance check: o From the top 10 or so, found only Markel (1 800 236 BIKE) and GEICO (301 986 2500) writing for my MC-only in DC. Nationwide, State Farm wouldn't discuss MC unless auto also (didn't note +- DC w/auto). Others no MC in DC, period. o Lots of variability in costs and coverage between Markel and GEICO. o Recent comments from other places re GEICO (controversial on this list also, as I recall). I have feeling longevity with G may depend on total insurance posture with them. >[FAL]Years ago I was abruptly cancelled by GEICO for having one ticket 7 miles above speed limit . After 10 years of no problems or claims! A friend was also cancelled after 25+ years with GEICO because he had not had an accident or ticket and therefore was statistically due to have one. . . .But this is one time you can take your buisiness elsewhere! --- Absolutely correct. GEICO advertises low rates but is notorious for then cancelling an insured for a single claim or infraction. Buyer beware. --- Side Two: I've been with GEICO over 25 years, had quite a few claims (none were my fault) and I get great claim service and the cost is lower than anyone else could give me. Allstate and State Farm both couldn't even come close to GEICOs rate. And yes, I am a government employee too! GEICO was started for the active duty military overseas (I was for over 20 years) and as far as I'm concerned is one of the better insurance companies. They aren't too hot on cycle insurance costs so I have mine with Rider. --- around 81 or 82 i had GEICO ins, i think the branch of GEICE that actualy insured the bike was called CETURIAN, anyhow i had a little wreck and totaled the bike, they paid for it no problems, and when i got a new one they inusred it without raising the premiums etc. I was real happy with them, but get a better deal with DAIRYLAND, so moved on. --- I have been with Geico for almost 20 years. I have filed two claims in the last ten years. Both times they immediately paid the claims and did not raise my rates or drop me. I received a speeding ticket about a year and a half ago, but my rates have remained the same. I have all my cars, truck, and motorcycle insured through them. No problems here. < Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 5 14:33:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21709; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15312; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06673 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1DKMa11408 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:31:52 -0500 (EDT) From: MotorLE Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:31:52 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: leathers etc for sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Oh, no, it's another blatantly commercial post! The first four items on the following list are some primo items I have acquired recently. The rest is some stuff I've had for a while and want to make go away. Pictures of most of these items are on my web site at http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html I have to charge 5% MD sales tax, unfortunately. thanks, Colleen Aerostich 2-piece Roadcrafter, blue with black, size 40L. Standard issue blue Aerostich suit with black ballistics and TF2 pads. Excellent condition - never down and not faded. Aerostich catalog lists 'em for $697, this one is $450. Vanson SRX jacket, black, size 42. Sport Rider jacket with inner pockets for optional armor and back protector. Center main zipper, two small rear zippered vents, two inside pockets. Excellent condition. Price from Vanson is $459, this one is $325. Vanson PT pants, black, size 34. High waist jeans with two front hand pockets and two snap close rear pockets. Beautiful one piece legs. No signs of use. Price from Vanson is $359, this pair is $250. Roadgear Oregon Trail jacket, black, size 48. This is a nice clone of Hein Gericke's Dakar jacket. Unused. Lists for $379, this one $250. First Gear Stealth jacket, black, size 40. Used just a few times. 2"x3" US flag patch has been sewn to left shoulder, otherwise this coat is unblemished. $200. AXO dirt boots, black, size 8. Four adjustable buckles close each boot. Some white trim.Worn a lot. $50. Wilsons euro biker style jacket, black, size 38 - $50 Golden Spectro 20/50 (the semi-synthetic stuff) - $3 per quart or $30/case of 12. Spectro synthetic gear oil (any BMW owners reading this?) - $6 per quart Fog City face shield - $6 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 5 16:07:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22706; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15963; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07962 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-146-132.s132.tnt3.ann.erols.com [207.172.146.132]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27091; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3527E492.1BD5718C@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:07:46 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobacc CC: Dc Cycles Subject: Re: /oil analysis/ References: <0ab001bd60b7$1dbf4d40$3710b1cd@newmicronpc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Us Coasties do this too. I'm glad you reminded me...I'm going to maintain an analysis on my race bike so that I know what the engine is doing. These analysis' can give you a really great advance warning of which parts are wearing within your motor... I used to have a real nifty info sheet that helped you analyze the oil analysis... I'll see if I can't dig it up sometime this week.... Collin > ***Re oil analysis -- any experience here? [FA national L] > >I just came back from Autozone where I bought mobil 1 for the bike going > to switch after reading all the comments here. At the counter they had > a Mobil oil analysis kit to sent your oil to Titan labs in denver to get > it analyzed, picked it up for $10.25. > I know there are a lot of ex navy guys in this group, I was the fuel > king on [an SSN] and we used to send oil samples off > for analysis. Didn't do much with the reports except put them in a > binder. Has anyone had their oil analyzed?< _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 5 18:03:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25720; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16622; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12132 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00898; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust002.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.2]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA12825; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:05:22 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980405215736.0068d750@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 17:57:36 -0400 To: Sean Sullivan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Missing Part Found! Sean, my father-in-law found your missing part while mowing the lawn. When would you like to come and get it? Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 5 18:14:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25830; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16683; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12310 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA13995; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35282C3C.70E7@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:13:32 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: VF/VFR List CC: dc-cycles Subject: VF Reg/Rect Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, Today I noticed that the three yellow wires coming from the regulator/rectifier near the white plastic electrical connector are badly discolored due to excessive heat. The connecting wires from the alternator are also burnt brown and the whole plastic connecting assembly is fused to the wires! When I ran the bike to check it out, the wires (all six of them) got way too hot to touch. There is no way to unplug the wires from each other since it's all basically fried. Is this indicative of a failing regulator/rectifier? (The VF700 "Intereptor" has some 35K miles on the clock). TIA (pls e-mail direct) -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 5 18:27:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25939; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16754; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12464 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1USTa20074; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:25:14 -0500 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: <18c4d035.352804cc@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:25:14 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: MDO MC RIDE IN Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 WE WILL HAVE OUR SPRING RIDEIN BIKE SHOW ON MAY 10 1998 REGISTRATION OF BIKES WILL BE BETWEEN 10AM AND 12PM COST TO REGISTER WILL BE $10.00 AND THAT WILL GET 2 PEOPLE IN AS USUAL.. FOOD AND DRINK WILL BE AVAILABLE AND THE 69 BAND WILL PLAY FROM 12PM TO THE AWARD CEREMONY.. SHOW IS EXPECTED TO CLOSE AT ABOUT 4:30 -5:00 PM COME ON COME ALL THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT ED AND JOHN 15879 redland road rockville, md 20855 (301)948-1704 fax (301)948-1706\ web page url is www.mdomoderncycles.com thanks for the interest ed miller From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 5 19:54:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01993; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17139; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14057 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (207-172-146-132.s132.tnt3.ann.erols.com [207.172.146.132]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA02614 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980405195450.00705358@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:54:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Mail hanging?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Is anyone else out there having Coleen's message hanging up on their server?? I've tried it via two different routes, and it downloads about 2/3 of the message then freezes!?! Arrgh.. Now it's preventing other messages from coming through...ANy thoughts or suggestions? _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 5 21:03:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04360; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17542; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15089 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21767; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:01:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28569; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804060101.VAA28569@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Mail hanging?? To: cfagan@XXXXXX (Collin T. Fagan" ) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980405195450.00705358@mail.geocities.com> from "Collin T. Fagan" " at Apr 5, 98 07:54:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Mine isn't hanging the server, but after the ad for the Aerostich (which I may be calling you about Coleen) it said there was one line left, but scrolled down a long way before I gave up on it. Coleen, what else was posted after the 40L Aerostich? Louis > Is anyone else out there having Coleen's message hanging up on their server?? > > I've tried it via two different routes, and it downloads about 2/3 of the > message then freezes!?! Arrgh.. > Now it's preventing other messages from coming through...ANy thoughts or > suggestions? > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 5 23:29:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06222; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 23:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18216; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 23:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17063 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 23:28:02 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.77.240]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA1798 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 03:27:28 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980405232626.006b5700@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 23:26:26 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: colleen's stuff 4sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Aerostich 2-piece Roadcrafter, blue with black, size 40L. Standard issue blue Aerostich suit with black ballistics and TF2 pads. Excellent condition - never down and not faded. Aerostich catalog lists 'em for $697, this one is $450. Vanson SRX jacket, black, size 42. Sport Rider jacket with inner pockets for optional armor and back protector. Center main zipper, two small rear zippered vents, two inside pockets. Excellent condition. Price from Vanson is $459, this one is $325. Vanson PT pants, black, size 34. High waist jeans with two front hand pockets and two snap close rear pockets. Beautiful one piece legs. No signs of use. Price from Vanson is $359, this pair is $250. Roadgear Oregon Trail jacket, black, size 48. This is a nice clone of Hein Gericke's Dakar jacket. Unused. Lists for $379, this one $250. First Gear Stealth jacket, black, size 40. Used just a few times. 2"x3" US flag patch has been sewn to left shoulder, otherwise this coat is unblemished. $200. AXO dirt boots, black, size 8. Four adjustable buckles close each boot. Some white trim.Worn a lot. $50. Wilsons euro biker style jacket, black, size 38 - $50 Golden Spectro 20/50 (the semi-synthetic stuff) - $3 per quart or $30/case of 12. Spectro synthetic gear oil (any BMW owners reading this?) - $6 per quart Fog City face shield - $6 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 01:25:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA08016; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19760; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19322 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.48] (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 06 Apr 1998 01:23:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Maintenance Party Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 01:25:30 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sorry I missed the event this weekend. Was hoping to lend a hand, but I got mired down in the Ratwing. One fork and one brake line almost totally dry. The other fork and brake line did have a 'fluid' in them. But of dubious benefit. Ditto the rear end. Pulled a few miles worth of light strips off of the luggage today. The ride height should increase by an inch or more due to the lower curb weight:) BTW, anybody have any idea if there is an easy way to put fork caps back on? ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 06:08:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA10531; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA21678; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taz.sec.uulab.net (known [204.177.181.2] [204.177.181.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA22793 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (pierre@localhost) by taz.sec.uulab.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA02206; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 05:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 05:59:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Piergallini X-Sender: pierre@taz Reply-To: pierre@XXXXXX To: George Howell cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Fork Caps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, George Howell wrote: > BTW, anybody have any idea if there is an easy way to put fork caps back > on? > ----------------------------------------------------------- > -George Howell AMA#553567 I used to tie the top triple tree to the roof of the garage with a rope, raising the front of the bike off the floor. This would at least get most of the spring back inside the fork tube, so that way you had much less spring to compress. You could also place phone books under the engine to the point that the front tire is fully lifted off the ground, again allowing most of the spring to slip back into the fork tube. After that it is all muscle... Thomas Piergallini EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX, tompierre@XXXXXX http://www.elkrun.chantilly.va.us From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 07:06:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11231; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21952; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from E-MAIL.COM (known e-mail.com [204.146.168.195]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23273 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IMXGATE.COM by E-MAIL.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 8089; Mon, 06 Apr 98 07:05:15 EDT Received: from LMS01.UNIMAIL.IBM.COM by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Mon, 06 Apr 98 07:02:21 EDT Received: by LMS01.UNIMAIL.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via NOTESPRD id 0039000001419432; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:05:01 +0000 From: "Chris Mancuska (syan)" To: Subject: Rectifryers Message-ID: <0039000001419432000002L022*@MHS> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:05:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had this on my 86 VFR. The plastic connectors corrode internally, get= hot, short circuit and take out your regulator, your battery and then your alternator, in that order. Cut the wires off either side of the connectors, and replace with bulle= ts or your preference. If you caught it in time your reg should be OK. Mine had a crack in wit= h smoke coming out. Hope this helps. Chris M. chris.mancuska@XXXXXX = From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 08:47:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11953; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22429; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from red.uspis.gov (known red-internet.uspis.gov [206.205.134.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24496 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA09360; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:53:44 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'George Howell'" , "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'Jordan, Michael'" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?=27=22=27dc=2Dcycles=40cs=2Eumd=2Eedu=27=22=09=27?= Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:46:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did you give her Jeannette's phone number. :-) >-----Original Message----- >From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] >Sent: Saturday, April 04, 1998 2:02 AM >To: O'Brien, Jeannette; 'Jordan, Michael'; "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" >Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... > >>Something non-sportbike. That's the most common comment I get, "Oh, a >>GIRL on a SPORTbike!!??" > >My brother (why do all of my good stories start like that anymore?) was > >sitting down to lunch at school today (College Park). Looked over, and >saw a somewhat attractive girl with close cut hair (I believe SWMBO >refers to it as an 'elf cut') reading a copy of Sport Rider, and >talking >about her CB1. So my brother thinks 'cute girl, has a bike. What's the >catch?' After a few minutes discussion about bikes, it turns out that >my >brother wasn't her type. Nor me. Nor, apparantly, was anyone who can >pee >standing up. The conversation ended about thirty seconds later. > > > >----------------------------------------------------------- >-George Howell AMA#553567 >ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 >georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 09:50:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12695; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23827; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25981 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cagw1.att.com; Mon Apr 6 09:42 EDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA03633 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6141.423B1A20@XXXXXX>; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:49:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Honda HP4 Oil For sale Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:49:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have 4 Quarts of Honda HP4 semi-synthetic oil for sale. $2.50/qt=20 for a total of $10 for all 4. This is about =BD the retail price. Act=20 now! Contact me and we can discuss delivery etc. Thanks. John Carver '98 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 10:05:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13064; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24328; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26442 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.33] (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:02:54 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Now That Spring is in the Air... Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 10:05:08 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Clements, Curtis A" , "\"'O'Brien, Jeannette'\" " , "'Jordan, Michael'" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Did you give her Jeannette's phone number. :-) If I had Jeannette's phone number, do you think I'd share it with anyone? (Sorry Tom:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 10:05:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13069; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24322; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26438 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.33] (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:02:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fork Caps Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 10:05:03 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >You could also place phone books under the engine to the point that the >front tire is fully lifted off the ground, again allowing most of the >spring to slip back into the fork tube. Slipped a jack under the engine. And even a little bit of a GL spring requires a lot of force:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 10:14:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13310; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24505; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26750 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA11263 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:13:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA02675 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:13:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980406141306.KTXA493@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:13:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: maintenance X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980406141306.KTXA493@[166.41.242.141]> From: Kerry Walsh Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 13:08:24 +0100 Subject: ST1100: MC Maintenance Survey All, I seek your assistance with a Motorcycle related project that I am researching. If you would point your web browsers to:- you will find a survey form which deals with motorcycle maintenance which should take but a few minutes to complete. I am looking for input from as wide a cross section of motorcyclists as is possible so feel free to cross post this request to any other MC related lists to which you belong. I thank you in advance for your co-operation. =========================================== Kerry M. Walsh. STOC 116, Pan Clan 338, Paneuro 001 http://www.u-wrench.co.uk STarduST - Gloucester, England =========================================== From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 10:29:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13862; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24720; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.crosslink.net (known hermes.crosslink.net [206.246.124.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27559 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8190 invoked from network); 6 Apr 1998 14:27:50 -0000 Received: from dyn02.pm1.leesburg.va.us.crosslink.net (HELO gwf) (206.246.86.98) by hermes.crosslink.net with SMTP; 6 Apr 1998 14:27:50 -0000 From: "Gary Foreman" To: , "George Howell" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Fork Caps Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:30:18 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd6168$860046a0$6256f6ce@gwf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 White Bros. make a real neat stand that slips under the bike, then you step on a lever, and the whole bike raises off the floor. Spent $79 for mine, worth every penny! -----Original Message----- >From: Thomas Piergallini To: George Howell Cc: DC Cycles Date: Monday, April 06, 1998 6:17 AM Subject: Re: Fork Caps >On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, George Howell wrote: >> BTW, anybody have any idea if there is an easy way to put fork caps back >> on? >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> -George Howell AMA#553567 > >I used to tie the top triple tree to the roof of the garage with a rope, >raising the front of the bike off the floor. This would at least get most >of the spring back inside the fork tube, so that way you had much less >spring to compress. > >You could also place phone books under the engine to the point that the >front tire is fully lifted off the ground, again allowing most of the >spring to slip back into the fork tube. > >After that it is all muscle... > > > >Thomas Piergallini >EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX, tompierre@XXXXXX > http://www.elkrun.chantilly.va.us From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 10:56:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14683; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25023; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28503 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02502 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:54:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10573 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804061454.KAA10573@shell.clark.net> Subject: Lock Evaluation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:54:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text FYI: From the LDRider List. Louis --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Seth Miller Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:04:14 -0700 Subject: LDRider: Disk Lock Warning Sorry for the cross-post, but I thought that this info might be of interest to a wide group of riders... The month's issue of Ride Magazine (a British publication, available in several of the larger bookstores in the US) tests most of the common types of motorcycle disk locks. This is part of a series of articles where they have gotten advice from professional thieves and destructively tested many types of locks to see how much protection was really provided by each unit. The recent test determined that the very common 'stapler'-type disk locks (those in the configuration of a long U shape with a locking pin on the open end) were next to useless against anything but the most casual thief. The cheaper cast units were defeated in mere seconds, and even the best ones (forged steel) only lasted 30 seconds at most. (The method used to defeat the locks was a technique involving a chisel, but they did not elaborate on the specific procedure so as not to provide any useful information to aspiring young thieves). It is hard to imagine that the manufacturers of these locks are unaware of how easily they are defeated... but they continue to sell them (to me, for one...). As one of the Ride test reviewers put it, "I might as well bin (throw away) mine...". There were a few models that received good security ratings, but unfortunately most are not available in the US. However, their 'best buy' (and with one of the top security ratings) was the Kryptonite EV disc lock (the padlock style), which is available just about everywhere. However, Kryptonite will happily sell you their stapler-type lock as well... Just an FYI... It's a shame that none of the US publications (with the possible exception of MCN) have the guts to do tests like these... - - Seth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 10:56:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14700; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25051; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28549 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.rolmail.net by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05454; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rolmail.net ([194.185.250.117]) by smtp.rolmail.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id AAA2019; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:42:41 +0000 Message-ID: <3528E99B.311E913B@rolmail.net> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 16:41:31 +0200 From: "Gamper Walter" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Biker Subject: LIBERTY - THE ORIGINAL BIKER BEER Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E050010D4A737BBAB2DA8DA9" Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. --------------E050010D4A737BBAB2DA8DA9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E1B78BB07240DB697D7D3744" --------------E1B78BB07240DB697D7D3744 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are pleased to show LIBERTY ~ THE ORIGINAL BIKER BEER ~ bottle: 0,33 l. ~ content: special fest beer ~ cardboard: 12 bottles information by e-mail: SPIRIT OF BROTHERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------E1B78BB07240DB697D7D3744 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are pleased to show
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:13:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've still got that silly message hanging on the server, and now a collection is piling up behind it. Does anyone out there know the command(s) to delete a message directly at the server?? I know it can be done.. I read an anti-spam article on it a couple of weeks ago, then promptly forgot about it thinking I'd never need this... Thanks in advance for any help Collin (not-nerdy enough) Collin T. Fagan LTjg, USCG Staff Engineer USCG Marine Safety Center From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 12:34:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17437; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26223; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02061 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id JAA27052; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id JAA07557; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA24445; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:18:44 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA24433; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:18:42 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD613C.F5E5C4D0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:18:28 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'David Sward'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Motorcycle maintenance class Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:12:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 FYI: I just called the MC Dept of Rec and there's only 2 folks registered for the April 24 class and none registered for the May 29 class. They need 8 participants per class or they'll be canceled. Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: David Sward [SMTP:sward@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, March 27, 1998 2:25 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Motorcycle maintenance class > >Hi all, another lurker here. > >If you're as ignorant of motorcycle maintenance as I (*ahem*), the >Montgomery County Department of Recreation is again offering a motorcycle >maintenance class this year. I tried three times last year, but all were >cancelled due to insufficient enrollment. The next class is on April 24 & >25 (Fri & Sat), and I (92 F2, unfortunately for sale) and my brother (78 >KZ200) are signed up. Hopefully, some more from this group can help make >it happen. > >The info from the course catalog: > >[cut] > >Motorcycle Maintenance >Ages 16 & up: Course is geared to both novice and serious >maintenance-minded riders. Includes tune-ups and lubrication, adjustment >and replacement of key suspension and safety equipment, etc. Motorcycle >and tools provided. You will be able to work on your own motorcycle on >Sat. $15 materials fee due instructor at first session. Classes taught >by David Paull of The Right Track. Registration deadline is one week >prior to the start of each class. > >13 Hours: 6-10pm Fri., 8am-5pm Sat. $63 MOTORCYC >001 Lincoln Ctr. Rockville Paull 4/24 F,Sa 6:00pm >002 Lincoln Ctr. Rockville Paull 5/29 F,Sa 6:00pm > >[cut] > >You can pick up a copy of the catalog from any Montgomery County library. >Out of county residents are welcome, but there is an additional fee >(sorry, the fee info was on the registration form that was mailed in). > >-- >David Sward sward@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 13:08:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18068; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26708; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03400 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id ABA31ED00F8; Mon, 06 Apr 1998 13:06:43 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980406125913.00ffdcc0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 12:59:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Lock Evaluation In-Reply-To: <199804061454.KAA10573@shell.clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:54 AM 4/6/98 -0400, Louis F. Caplan wrote: >The month's issue of Ride Magazine (a British publication, available in several >of the larger bookstores in the US) tests most of the common types of >motorcycle disk locks. This is part of a series of articles where they have >gotten advice from professional thieves and destructively tested many types of >locks to see how much protection was really provided by each unit. > >The recent test determined that the very common 'stapler'-type disk locks >(those in the configuration of a long U shape with a locking pin on the open >end) were next to useless against anything but the most casual thief. The >cheaper cast units were defeated in mere seconds, and even the best ones >(forged steel) only lasted 30 seconds at most. I had a friend who started to ride off with a Kryptonite u-shaped "stapler-type" lock on his rear wheel. The lock just broke. The rear wheel was fine. Not very confidence-inspiring! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 13:59:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19172; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27863; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NORCOM2.NORCOM.NET (known norcom2.norcom.net [207.238.14.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05291 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by norcom2.norcom.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:01:26 -0400 Message-ID: <816B10A8C89FD011AE0700A0C92C8CFF124845@norcom2.norcom.net> From: Oswald Maseda To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Remove from mail list! Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:01:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Due to high volume of messages at my office, I must cancel my subscription! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 16:54:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23848; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01663; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13142 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:52:04 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.76.180]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA26269 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:51:26 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980406165051.006a1cc4@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 16:50:51 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 78 GS1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Y'all-- My friend is considering buying a 78 GS1000. I've never had a Suzook; do they still have parts for these old bikes? I know Honda had virtually every part for my 73 CB750. Any thoughts on this bike? It's got bags, 17K miles, garaged, new tires and battery, claimed excellent condition. $900. I don't know if it's a GS1000-(some letter here) or what. Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 6 18:12:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25629; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02731; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15650 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA00736; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35297D20.6692@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 18:10:56 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: VF/VFR List CC: dc-cycles Subject: VF Reg/Rect Problem Rectified ;) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings, Thanks to all of you who were kind enough to respond to my fried wire problem. The consensus was that dirt/grime in the 3-p electrical connector was the culprit. I snipped the wires a bit, spliced and soldered and ... voilà - good as new ! No replacement of the reg/rect needed yet! Thanks again, -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 00:34:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01466; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07597; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23533 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA23504; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:40:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:40:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Louis F. Caplan" cc: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Lock Evaluation In-Reply-To: <199804061454.KAA10573@shell.clark.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: Seth Miller > Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:04:14 -0700 ... > The recent test determined that the very common 'stapler'-type disk locks > (those in the configuration of a long U shape with a locking pin on the open > end) were next to useless against anything but the most casual thief. The > cheaper cast units were defeated in mere seconds, and even the best ones > (forged steel) only lasted 30 seconds at most. (The method used to defeat the > locks was a technique involving a chisel, but they did not elaborate on the > specific procedure so as not to provide any useful information to aspiring > young thieves). ...> > It's a shame that none of the US publications (with the possible exception of > MCN) have the guts to do tests like these... > Curiously, I believe that MCN's testing found that the EMGO pin lock, which sounds like your 'stapler' lock, tied for hardest-to-defeat and was their Best Value (or whatever they call it). --garcia "There is luxury in self-reproach. When we blame ourselves, we feel no one else has a right to blame us." Oscar Wilde From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 00:58:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01740; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07739; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23764 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.31] (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:56:36 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Lock Evaluation Date: Tue, 7 Apr 98 00:58:47 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Garcia Oliver" cc: "DC-Cycles List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Curiously, I believe that MCN's testing found that the EMGO pin lock, >which sounds like your 'stapler' lock, tied for hardest-to-defeat and was >their Best Value (or whatever they call it). In the RiDE test, I believe that all they had to do with any of the stapler type locks was to stick in a pry bar, and give a good push or hit with a hammer. Problem is that the staplers were castings, not forgings. I bought a Kryptonite EV. Motorcycle is still outside:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 01:26:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02041; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA08115; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA24034 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1NOEa07411 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:24:18 -0500 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: <173ac7e1.3529b884@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:24:18 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re:Lock Evaluation Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 When it comes down to it, any lock or antitheft device is only a deterent. If a lock can be put on, it can be taken off. and alarms are great for making noise if messed with, but are you going to here it? Most people who steal bikes profesionally dont bother hotwiring bikes, they load them into trucks and drive off, where they cantake there time disecting locks, etc. These are just my opinions, Ive been putting alarms on motorcycles for about 6 months now and to be honest, the only thing they are good for is making sure nobody sits on your bike while your not there. Sean Ride Free From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 02:24:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02514; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 02:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA08776; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 02:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA24718 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 02:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.31] (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Tue, 07 Apr 1998 02:22:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re:Lock Evaluation Date: Tue, 7 Apr 98 02:24:37 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "CloudsAbv9" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Ive been putting alarms on motorcycles for about 6 months >now and to be honest, the only thing they are good for is making sure nobody >sits on your bike while your not there. For me, that's almost worth the price of an alarm. Luckily, my bikes are generally viewed as 'eyesores' (despite the roundel on one of them) so I don't have this problem. Your average Harley owner, however... ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 08:22:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05056; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10925; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net (known zip1.ziplink.net [206.15.168.18]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28524 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA12339 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:20:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Julie and/or Mark Holm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Northern VA MSF course 6/14/98 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We still have quite a number of empty slots in the Northern Virginia area MSF Experienced Rider Course I am organizing here at NVCC Loudoun. Facts: Sunday, June 14. All Day (9 - 5 ish) AT Northern Virginia Community College in Sterling Virginia (off Rte 7) Bring your bike, helmet, gloves, boots, jacket at a minimum. Cost is $55 To register, send a check with your Name, Address, SSN, work and home phone to: Julie Holm 9617 Verdict Drive Vienna, VA 22181-3269. Several people have e-mailed me telling me they want me to save a space, but never sent me a registration check. YOU ARE NOT REGISTERED UNLESS YOU SEND ME A CHECK. I'll be mailing out the class registration on April 15. This is a wonderful opportunity to hone those skills, taught by one of our own! Thanks. You can e-mail me for more information Julie From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 08:49:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05303; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11188; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29009 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA04404 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 05:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352A2022.E6C73209@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:46:26 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: hangmail fixed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, maybe I'm more of a nerd than I thought I was..... Yesterday I was sitting here pondering my situation, when I started thinking.. hmm what if I teletype into the server and delete it directly.. Well, I was sooo close yet so far...and unfortunately the mail that suggested to "telnet" didn't come in to my work account till after I'd gone home. I did end up stumbling across it on my own though and all is well. Thanks for those that offered suggestions. Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 08:58:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05457; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11303; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29239 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA07983 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 05:56:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352A223D.6A866226@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:55:26 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Franken Thumper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I mentioned before that I had heard of someone doing it..... Take a look at this web page. I'm basically planning on creating the same thing, only with an EX500 parallel twin motor instead of a big thumper (and no motor mods....yet). Does anyone on the list have a welder??? I need to relocate the lower motor mounts out wider to fit the bigger motor, and I need to fabricate a quasi downtube to the front motor mount. The project, and racing for that matter, may be put on hold for a bit though...the wife really hosed up our finances, so I'm not sure where I stand with anything right now :( :( :( (anyone got any part time jobs for a mechanical engineer/computer nerd wannabe he he he) Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 09:11:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05715; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11448; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29728 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD6203.FB2594D0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:03:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Franken Thumper Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:03:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey... I'm in need of a welder also to take care of some mods on the VFR. Tom '86 VFR750F >-----Original Message----- >From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 8:55 AM >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Franken Thumper > >Well, I mentioned before that I had heard of someone doing it..... Take >a look at this web page. I'm basically planning on creating the same >thing, only with an EX500 parallel twin motor instead of a big thumper >(and no motor mods....yet). >Does anyone on the list have a welder??? I need to relocate the lower >motor mounts out wider to fit the bigger motor, and I need to fabricate >a quasi downtube to the front motor mount. > >The project, and racing for that matter, may be put on hold for a bit >though...the wife really hosed up our finances, so I'm not sure where I >stand with anything right now :( :( :( >(anyone got any part time jobs for a mechanical engineer/computer nerd >wannabe he he he) > >Collin > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 09:51:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06146; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11756; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00809 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA06172; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:53:41 -0400 Message-ID: <352A2EEF.5BDB696A@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 09:49:35 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Franken Thumper References: <352A223D.6A866226@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Web page ? ? ? which web page? Add me to the list of welder-challenged people. I've got a fuel tank that I'd love to have enlarged to between 8 and 11 gallons. At 53 mpg, 10 gallons will take me . . . all the way to Deal's Gap! Leon. Collin T. Fagan wrote: > > Well, I mentioned before that I had heard of someone doing it..... Take > a look at this web page. I'm basically planning on creating the same > thing, only with an EX500 parallel twin motor instead of a big thumper > (and no motor mods....yet). > Does anyone on the list have a welder??? I need to relocate the lower > motor mounts out wider to fit the bigger motor, and I need to fabricate > a quasi downtube to the front motor mount. > > The project, and racing for that matter, may be put on hold for a bit > though...the wife really hosed up our finances, so I'm not sure where I > stand with anything right now :( :( :( > (anyone got any part time jobs for a mechanical engineer/computer nerd > wannabe he he he) > > Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 10:10:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06429; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11962; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itm07.itmassociates.com (known [207.154.22.7] [207.154.22.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01263 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itm04.itmassociates.com ([207.154.22.4]) by itm07.itmassociates.com (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 852565DF.004DC78B; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:09:33 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980407140835.009622d4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: us004937@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:08:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Space Subject: RE: Franken Thumper I have a Weld-pac 100,like at Home Depot, WITHOUT the inert gas setup. I have used it for about 2 years restoring a 74 Bronco. I was doing mostly body patch work. I have not taken any classes or anything, but depending on the material thickness, amount of rust in my case, etc. my welds looked okay. Later Rob Space 86 VF500 At 09:03 AM 4/7/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hey... I'm in need of a welder also to take care of some mods on the >VFR. > >Tom >'86 VFR750F > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 8:55 AM >>To: dc-cycles >>Subject: Franken Thumper >> >>Well, I mentioned before that I had heard of someone doing it..... Take >>a look at this web page. I'm basically planning on creating the same >>thing, only with an EX500 parallel twin motor instead of a big thumper >>(and no motor mods....yet). >>Does anyone on the list have a welder??? I need to relocate the lower >>motor mounts out wider to fit the bigger motor, and I need to fabricate >>a quasi downtube to the front motor mount. >> >>The project, and racing for that matter, may be put on hold for a bit >>though...the wife really hosed up our finances, so I'm not sure where I >>stand with anything right now :( :( :( >>(anyone got any part time jobs for a mechanical engineer/computer nerd >>wannabe he he he) >> >>Collin >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 10:26:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06636; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12063; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail3.geocities.com [209.1.224.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01624 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA26027; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352A36C4.34971D84@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:23:01 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Franken Thumper References: <352A223D.6A866226@geocities.com> <352A2EEF.5BDB696A@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Duh... I did it again.. how bout I actually paste in the url this time.... http://www.teleport.com/~jearls/ru97.html Leon Begeman wrote: > Web page ? ? ? which web page? -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 10:27:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06650; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12072; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01660 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA13553; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:25:16 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C97@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Gorgeous Morning Ride... Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:26:12 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Anyone else ride in today? It makes the commute a bit more tolerable when riding in on such a perfect morning... - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 10:32:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06768; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12152; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01846 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1GZLa01114 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:31:03 -0500 (EDT) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <43f19ad1.352a38a9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:31:03 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: NOTHIN' LIKE ADRENALINE IN THE MORNING Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 This actually happened yesterday but I didn't have time to report....... I am merging ONto the freeway, I wait until the TWO right lanes are clear because this particular stretch of freeway has the most vicious and evil drivers I've ever seen......I go, on my right is a cement wall, on my left is five lanes of traffic (the two closest to me currently empty) in front of me is my lane which is ending very shortly, forcing me to merge left ....... I look over my left shoulder to check one more time to make sure the lanes are still clear and RIGHT NEXT TO ME (on my left), NOT 6 INCHES AWAY, is a large SUV, a woman in it, LOOKING AT ME, I hit the brakes and she accelerated (thank god) and boy was i hopped up then .......I don't know where in h$#l she came from.......... she must have cut across three lanes of traffic in about a second ....... argh@! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 10:33:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06780; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12165; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01855 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 245 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:31:04 -0400 Message-ID: <352A38E5.EB8884EC@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:32:05 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: FrankenTanker References: <352A223D.6A866226@geocities.com> <352A2EEF.5BDB696A@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > Add me to the list of welder-challenged people. I've got a fuel tank > that I'd love to have enlarged to between 8 and 11 gallons. At 53 mpg, > 10 gallons will take me . . . all the way to Deal's Gap! > Leon, And to think you spent all that time re-doing your windscreen on the John Deere. Just how high would an 10 gallon tank sit? You just might be able to see over the top, no? Actually I'm surprised how big the tank is on the Concours, it doesn't seem that big when you are on the bike. And I've noticed that it takes a LONG time to put in 7 something gallons at the pump when you can't just set the latch and walk away like I do on my cage. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours (now I can rev to 6k rpm, much more fun!) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 10:37:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06824; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12235; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01968 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA21847 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:35:53 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:35:53 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Gorgeous Morning Ride... Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:38:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 18 TEXT Mais certainment! Although 'twas a tad brisk (30ish at the house) Michael J. >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 10:26 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Gorgeous Morning Ride... > >Anyone else ride in today? It makes the commute a bit more tolerable >when riding in on such a perfect morning... > >- Jeannette > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 10:43:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06945; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12377; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02131 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA18479; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:41:19 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C9A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Jinn Sinn'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: NOTHIN' LIKE ADRENALINE IN THE MORNING Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:42:17 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Some people should not be driving those urban assault vehicles! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Jinn Sinn [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 10:31 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: NOTHIN' LIKE ADRENALINE IN THE MORNING > > This actually happened yesterday but I didn't have time to > report....... > I am merging ONto the freeway, I wait until the TWO right lanes are > clear > because this particular stretch of freeway has the most vicious and > evil > drivers I've ever seen......I go, on my right is a cement wall, on my > left is > five lanes of traffic (the two closest to me currently empty) in front > of me > is my lane which is ending very shortly, forcing me to merge left > ....... I > look over my left shoulder to check one more time to make sure the > lanes are > still clear and RIGHT NEXT TO ME (on my left), NOT 6 INCHES AWAY, is a > large > SUV, a woman in it, LOOKING AT ME, I hit the brakes and she > accelerated (thank > god) and boy was i hopped up then .......I don't know where in h$#l > she came > from.......... she must have cut across three lanes of traffic in > about a > second ....... argh@! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 10:45:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06980; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12403; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02170 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA27249; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352A3B53.E2F6E849@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:42:27 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jinn Sinn CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NOTHIN' LIKE ADRENALINE IN THE MORNING References: <43f19ad1.352a38a9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This sounds like the 495 to 95 interchange heading south right there at Franconia. Every time I've been through there, no matter what time of day, I see on average three very near misses. Last time I was down there I saw a little econo box try to merge underneath an 18 wheeler. The little thing missed by inches going under the mid-body of the trailer... Not sure how you miss seeing something that big, but the intersection as a whole is real nasty Jinn Sinn wrote: > because this particular stretch of freeway has the most vicious and evil > drivers I've ever seen......-- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 10:47:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07035; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12456; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02226 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA19285; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:44:27 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C9B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Gorgeous Morning Ride... Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:45:25 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I am DEFINITELY a cold-weather rider. The present temperatures suit me just fine. Please, no flames!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 10:38 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Gorgeous Morning Ride... > > Mais certainment! > > Although 'twas a tad brisk (30ish at the house) > > Michael J. > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 10:26 > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Gorgeous Morning Ride... > > > >Anyone else ride in today? It makes the commute a bit more tolerable > >when riding in on such a perfect morning... > > > >- Jeannette > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 10:50:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07090; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12536; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02358 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA29961; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352A3C9C.CA3432A0@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:47:57 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Franken Thumper References: <352A223D.6A866226@geocities.com> <352A2EEF.5BDB696A@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What about an older ZX11 or GPZ tank??? Don't they hold around 7 or 8 gallons??? Maybe one of them would match up fairly easy to the 250? Fuel tank metal is a little too thin for my very limited welding abilities. Leon Begeman wrote: > At 53 mpg, > 10 gallons will take me . . . all the way to Deal's Gap! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 11:06:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07448; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12825; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02755 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA06885 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA13859 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:04:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980407150438.XMQC18677@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:04:38 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: FW: Gorgeous Morning Ride... Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:04:39 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bd6236$7cae5dc0$3b5420a6@LJTanner.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Every morning. And it was very nice, until my new throttlemeister came off in my right hand - at speed. It was an interesting problem - trying to stop using the rear brake only and not being able to put down both feet as I usually do. Mission accomplished. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (feeling pale) -----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [mailto:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 10:26 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Gorgeous Morning Ride... Anyone else ride in today? It makes the commute a bit more tolerable when riding in on such a perfect morning... - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 11:08:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07478; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12904; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02844 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 366; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:06:02 -0400 Message-ID: <352A4117.324C95F4@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:07:03 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gorgeous Morning Ride... References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C97@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Anyone else ride in today? It makes the commute a bit more tolerable > when riding in on such a perfect morning... > > - Jeannette This morning was sweet. Of course, being able to rev past 4k (part one of the Connie's break in is now over) was even sweeter! :-) Another 500 miles, and I won't be limited to 6k rpm, either, then I will truly be a menace to society! Evil Hooligan Laugh: "MwaaaHaaaaHaaaHaaa!" :-) Uhh, I hope Tracy doesn't read this. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 11:15:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07584; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13036; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03071 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVL3BGL7SW8ZL7KW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:07:27 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:05:29 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:05:29 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:05:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Franken Thumper In-reply-to: <352A3C9C.CA3432A0@geocities.com> To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1123IIC2DKPY X400-MTS-identifier: [;92501170408991/2507928@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >What about an older ZX11 or GPZ tank??? Don't they hold around 7 or 8 >gallons??? Maybe one of them would match up fairly easy to the 250? >Fuel tank metal is a little too thin for my very limited welding >abilities. Or how about doing something like Frank Perdicaro did with his Hawk (note that this page has lots of pics of Frank working on the tank): http://www.dsea.com/~frank/tank.html Freaky. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 11:19:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07628; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13203; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03236 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD6215.F039FF90@XXXXXX>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:11:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , "'Leon Begeman'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Franken Thumper Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:11:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AND A QUICK REMINDER..... Gas has to BOILED out of tanks, etc. or otherwise go BOOM!!!! If anyone is really considering such a project... take it to a radiator shop or something like that. -Tom Mr. Safety >-----Original Message----- >From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 10:48 AM >To: Leon Begeman >Cc: dc-cycles >Subject: Re: Franken Thumper > >What about an older ZX11 or GPZ tank??? Don't they hold around 7 or 8 >gallons??? Maybe one of them would match up fairly easy to the 250? >Fuel tank metal is a little too thin for my very limited welding abilities. > >Leon Begeman wrote: > >> At 53 mpg, >> 10 gallons will take me . . . all the way to Deal's Gap! > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 11:19:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07639; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13219; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03245 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 488; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:17:20 -0400 Message-ID: <352A43B9.F9F799DA@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:18:17 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List CC: Leon Begeman , "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Connie Convoy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks like I'll get to try out the new bike on a long trip this weekend! We'll all be heading to Pennsylvania Friday night to my parent's house for Easter. Tracy and the kids will be in the official DC-Cycles-Deals Gap chase cage, and my father in law will be behind them in his van (he's got a load of junk to take to his house in PA, - great since it all won't be cluttering up my backyard anymore! :-) 340 miles, assuming we go the short way. At first I was bummed that I wouldn't be doing at least a 400 mile day, then I realized that I'd be riding to and from work too! That's 60 miles easily if I go out for lunch or get lost on the way home. Can't wait to hit the road. I'm curious to see what a 400 mile day feels like. Wish me luck! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours (chomping at the bit...) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 11:20:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07650; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13227; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03256 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA26064 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:18:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA29103 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:18:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980407151827.XTIC18677@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:18:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NOTHIN' LIKE ADRENALINE IN THE MORNING X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980407151827.XTIC18677@[166.41.242.141]> He, he, he. No matter how you approach this interchange, you're screwed. But the civil engineers have been busily pushing a plan (plate) of spagetti in front of the highway planning authorities. Apparently that interchange isn't nearly the mess it could be. Seems the ce's want to expand the whole thing to 21(!) lanes across which would require the raising of around 12 homes and will take over 12 years to complete! I've seen the plans, and they make the roadway look like spagetti! Todd Collin Wrote: >This sounds like the 495 to 95 interchange heading south right there at >Franconia. Every time I've been through there, no matter what time of day, >I see >on average three very near misses. Last time I was down there I saw a little >econo box try to merge underneath an 18 wheeler. The little thing missed by >inches going under the mid-body of the trailer... Not sure how you miss seeing >something that big, but the intersection as a whole is real nasty > >Jinn Sinn wrote: > >> because this particular stretch of freeway has the most vicious and evil >> drivers I've ever seen......-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 11:30:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07892; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13534; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03641 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA28521 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:29:25 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:29:25 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Gorgeous Morning Ride... Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:31:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 13 TEXT >I am DEFINITELY a cold-weather rider. The present temperatures suit me just fine. The good thing about cold weather is that one can wear sufficient protective clothing without melting away. Nothing beats sitting at a stop light in traffic in August with a full face helmet, leather, boots and gloves. Yummy!! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 11:37:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07990; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13638; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03792 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD6218.7D624010@XXXXXX>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:29:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: NOTHIN' LIKE ADRENALINE IN THE MORNING Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:29:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From what I heard yesterday from a friend who lives in that neighborhood... they've already begun buying up the homes there.... A friend of my friend got a VERY nice settlement from the state on their property. -Tom >-----Original Message----- >From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 11:08 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: NOTHIN' LIKE ADRENALINE IN THE MORNING > > >He, he, he. No matter how you approach this interchange, you're screwed. >But the civil engineers have been busily pushing a plan (plate) of >spagetti in front of the highway planning authorities. Apparently >that interchange isn't nearly the mess it could be. Seems the ce's >want to expand the whole thing to 21(!) lanes across which would require >the raising of around 12 homes and will take over 12 years to complete! >I've seen the plans, and they make the roadway look like spagetti! > >Todd > >Collin Wrote: >>This sounds like the 495 to 95 interchange heading south right there at >>Franconia. Every time I've been through there, no matter what time of day, >>I see >>on average three very near misses. Last time I was down there I saw a >>little >>econo box try to merge underneath an 18 wheeler. The little thing missed by >>inches going under the mid-body of the trailer... Not sure how you miss >>seeing >>something that big, but the intersection as a whole is real nasty >> >>Jinn Sinn wrote: >> >>> because this particular stretch of freeway has the most vicious and evil >>> drivers I've ever seen......-- > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 12:37:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09426; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14883; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05797 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A5C51BD00DC; Tue, 07 Apr 1998 12:35:20 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980407122448.00ebdb70@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 12:24:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Gorgeous Morning Ride... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C97@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:26 AM 4/7/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Anyone else ride in today? It makes the commute a bit more tolerable >when riding in on such a perfect morning... > >- Jeannette :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 12:37:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09430; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14885; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05800 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A5CA1BD00DC; Tue, 07 Apr 1998 12:35:22 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980407123023.00efa350@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 12:30:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Franken Thumper In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" How do you boil gas out of tanks? I've cleaned tanks then let them sit for a couple days to properly air out. I've heard of filling them with water, with the to-be-welded area at the top, so there's no room for explosive fumes. One guy told me to hook the tank to an exhaust pipe - no explosive fumes, but don't do that in an enclosed space! Chris ************************************************** At 11:11 AM 4/7/98 -0400, you wrote: >AND A QUICK REMINDER..... > >Gas has to BOILED out of tanks, etc. or otherwise go BOOM!!!! > >If anyone is really considering such a project... take it to a radiator >shop or something like that. > >-Tom >Mr. Safety > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 10:48 AM >>To: Leon Begeman >>Cc: dc-cycles >>Subject: Re: Franken Thumper >> >>What about an older ZX11 or GPZ tank??? Don't they hold around 7 or 8 >>gallons??? Maybe one of them would match up fairly easy to the 250? >>Fuel tank metal is a little too thin for my very limited welding abilities. >> >>Leon Begeman wrote: >> >>> At 53 mpg, >>> 10 gallons will take me . . . all the way to Deal's Gap! >> >> >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 12:38:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09460; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14905; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (known italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05845 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (ip181.herndon24.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.176.181]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13254 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352A56FF.A5DDC213@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 12:40:31 -0400 From: "R. K. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Battery charging question References: <199804062300.TAA03196@tove.cs.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently bought a battery charger--1 amp and trickle charge--at a garage sale which means no owners manual. Should I hook up the negative wire to the battery or to the frame? Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 12:59:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09730; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15190; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06402 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD6223.F19827A0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:51:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Franken Thumper Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:51:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Radiator shops usually drop the tank in a corrosive vat that cleans out everything rendering the piece free of all foreign material... take it to radiator shop and have it cleaned. Cleaning with water in not sufficent enough. -Tom >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 12:30 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Franken Thumper > >How do you boil gas out of tanks? > >I've cleaned tanks then let them sit for a couple days to properly air out. > I've heard of filling them with water, with the to-be-welded area at the >top, so there's no room for explosive fumes. > >One guy told me to hook the tank to an exhaust pipe - no explosive fumes, >but don't do that in an enclosed space! > >Chris >************************************************** >At 11:11 AM 4/7/98 -0400, you wrote: >>AND A QUICK REMINDER..... >> >>Gas has to BOILED out of tanks, etc. or otherwise go BOOM!!!! >> >>If anyone is really considering such a project... take it to a radiator >>shop or something like that. >> >>-Tom >>Mr. Safety >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >>>Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 10:48 AM >>>To: Leon Begeman >>>Cc: dc-cycles >>>Subject: Re: Franken Thumper >>> >>>What about an older ZX11 or GPZ tank??? Don't they hold around 7 or 8 >>>gallons??? Maybe one of them would match up fairly easy to the 250? >>>Fuel tank metal is a little too thin for my very limited welding abilities. >>> >>>Leon Begeman wrote: >>> >>>> At 53 mpg, >>>> 10 gallons will take me . . . all the way to Deal's Gap! >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 13:00:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09769; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15206; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06431 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA12050; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:01:50 -0400 Message-ID: <352A5B06.1EC4B698@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 12:57:42 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: Jinn Sinn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NOTHIN' LIKE ADRENALINE IN THE MORNING References: <43f19ad1.352a38a9@aol.com> <352A3B53.E2F6E849@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin T. Fagan wrote: > > This sounds like the 495 to 95 interchange heading south right there at > Franconia. Every time I've been through there, no matter what time of day, I see > on average three very near misses. Three near misses per pass sounds about right on average, I get narrowly missed by about three cars every day in that area. There seem to be two viable lines through it. For the timid, stay to the right, move one lane left and go through the exit lane for Old Keene Mill and Franconia Roads, merge left onto I-95 south after passing both of the exits. For those who are addicted to adrenaline, take the far left line. Merge left as often and as early as possible. This keeps the speed up, and gets clear of those who make last second decisions to move either left or right. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 13:05:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09882; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15319; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06646 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA12209; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:07:43 -0400 Message-ID: <352A5C68.C855EF57@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 13:03:36 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster CC: DC Cycles List , "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Connie Convoy References: <352A43B9.F9F799DA@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It hurts so good when you stop. Good luck. Leon. horkster wrote: > > Can't wait to hit the road. I'm curious to see what a 400 mile > day feels like. Wish me luck! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 13:28:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10144; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15623; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07305 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA17380 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:27:16 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:27:16 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Franken Thumper Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:29:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 18 TEXT >Radiator shops usually drop the tank in a corrosive vat that cleans out >everything rendering the piece free of all foreign material... take it >to radiator shop and have it cleaned. Be aware that "foreign material" also applies to paint. I had a shop do this to a '66 BSA tank back in '68. The original intent was to clean out the inside so we could do some repair work (involving a torch) to the petcock - the shop guy mentioned that he'd have to be careful not to get any on the paint, as it would eat it right off. As I was getting ready to sand the tank down prior to repainting, I asked him to dunk the whole thing. After about 2 hours, the tank came out with just a small speck of paint remaining (5 seconds with a thumbnail took care of it). Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 13:37:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10382; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15735; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07647 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA13140; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:39:54 -0400 Message-ID: <352A63F3.D0403809@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 13:35:47 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "R. K. Dow" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Battery charging question References: <199804062300.TAA03196@tove.cs.umd.edu> <352A56FF.A5DDC213@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes. The black wire should be connected to one or the other. Frame, if battery is mounted in and connected to bike. Negative terminal, if battery is on garage floor and not connected to anything else. Red wire always goes to positive terminal on battery. R. K. Dow wrote: > > I recently bought a battery charger--1 amp and trickle charge--at a garage sale which means no owners > manual. Should I hook up the negative wire to the battery or to the frame? > > Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 15:38:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13030; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17158; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12440 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id MAA24299; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id KAA21201; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA04902; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:25:32 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA04898; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:25:31 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD620F.754FAFB0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:25:16 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Speedvision chanel on cable Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:20:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Just passing this along . . . . 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Thanks Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 22:14:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19428; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29208; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22867 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt.erols.com (207-172-41-75.s75.tnt10.brd.erols.com [207.172.41.75]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA03876 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804080213.WAA03876@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: Subject: Sat. Ride to Summit Pt. Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:11:39 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone interested in joining me (96 F3) and my buddy Kevin (91 VFR 750) on a ride to Summit Point to catch the races on Saturday? We prefer to go with riders who are willing to travel at a "brisk" pace. At this time we plan to depart from the Springfield, VA area around 10:30 a.m. Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 22:38:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19663; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29345; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA23192 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p174.smart.net [206.97.127.174]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA30889; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:37:11 -0400 Message-ID: <352AE1E2.FD002A19@smart.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 22:33:07 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Roy D. Turner" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sat. Ride to Summit Pt. References: <199804080213.WAA03876@smtp2.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Count me in, Roy. "Brisk" pace sounds perfect. Roy D. Turner wrote: > Anyone interested in joining me (96 F3) and my buddy Kevin (91 VFR 750) on > a ride to Summit Point to catch the races on Saturday? We prefer to go > with riders who are willing to travel at a "brisk" pace. At this time we > plan to depart from the Springfield, VA area around 10:30 a.m. Roy D. > Turner, Esq. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX '94 ZX-11 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 7 23:08:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19988; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29564; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23586 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.49] (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 07 Apr 1998 23:05:55 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Tue, 7 Apr 98 23:08:11 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Drove to work today. SWMBO did not provide the option of taking the bike. But tomorrow is Wednesday, and rain, sleet, or snow, that's bike day. After making the deposit at the bank, was heading north on Rt. 301 to Waldorf. It widens up to three lanes. I got over to the far left lane to get around a few trucks, and two HD FL's. As I got close to my right hand turn (about 1 1/2 miles away) I started moving ot the right. Except.... Those jerks on the HDs were there. I drive a Miata. And I'm a big boy. There's no way I'd not be seen checking my blind spot (something I always do, and do it three or four times when I know there's a bike around). But one of the FLs was parked in my blind spot. Saw me check my blind spot (top was down. My big noggin was quite visible if he was paying the slightest attention.) and this guy didn't back off. Turned on turn signal. Head check. Ignored. By now, I'm getting really close (3/4 mile) to my turn, so I had to tailgate the guy in front of me in order to get around the HDs. (couldn't brake and pull in behind them. Quite the traffic back up behind them.) Is it any wonder that cagers frequently have their sights set for us when these two inconsiderate boobs (need I mention the beanie helmets?) do something like this? FWIW, one of these guys (the older looking one) seemed to be having quite a bit of trouble at the two stop lights we were at. His bike also had temp tags. Can anyone say RUBBIE??? Now, if they irked another half dozen cagers, they've screwed it up for everyone. Me, I know that they were either RUBBIES or true 1%'ers. Either way, they are pricks who are detrimental to our WOL. Glad I got that out. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 01:17:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21827; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02711; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25831 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA22769; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:24:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:24:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: George Howell cc: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Lock Evaluation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, George Howell wrote: > >Curiously, I believe that MCN's testing found that the EMGO pin lock, > >which sounds like your 'stapler' lock, tied for hardest-to-defeat and was > >their Best Value (or whatever they call it). > > In the RiDE test, I believe that all they had to do with any of the > stapler type locks was to stick in a pry bar, and give a good push or hit > with a hammer. Problem is that the staplers were castings, not forgings. The EMGO pin is near the opening, so not much room for prying. It also requires a drilled brake rotor. I'll look for the MCN report and see if they tried breaking it that way. > > I bought a Kryptonite EV. Motorcycle is still outside:) So is mine----last time I looked. 8^) --garcia "Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims he intends to eat until he eats them." --Samuel Butler From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 04:00:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA23279; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 04:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA03576; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 03:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA27974 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 03:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1DTGa07410 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 03:58:29 -0500 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 03:58:29 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_892022309_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_892022309_boundary Content-ID: <0_892022309@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_892022309_boundary Content-ID: <0_892022309@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: CloudsAbv9 Return-path: To: ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 03:57:53 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit You are absolutley right, but I wish more people would check blind spots. Not to mention perfectly visable spots. While coming home from the mounting party at leons I was almost run off the road twice. The first time I was in the middle lane and a 2 door coupe with a ladder strapped to the roof pulled in behind me from the slow lane. The ladder he was toting was protruding off the front of the vehicle to the extent where it almost clipped my helmet. I mean, cmon people... this is scary. And the second involved a brand new 4 door cage who seemed indulged in his conversation on his car phone. he didnt bother to signal or look and came right over at me in the slow lane. I was on the shoulder and he was more than half way in my lane before backing off and realizing what was going on. If these are the risks involved with dc-cycles gatherings, then count me out.(j/k). Well, thats my two cents. Sean P. Ride Free --part0_892022309_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 08:08:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24957; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10112; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01954 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cagw1.att.com; Wed Apr 8 08:00 EDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA15772 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD62C5.4CF55DB0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:06:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Weld . . . BOOM! Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:06:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My dad told me about welding the gas tank from his, (still has it with > 70k miles), '79 Bonneville Brougham. He filled the entire 26(?) gallon tank up with water except for the last little air pocket in the filler neck. Even with only this small area left it *still* blew up!! He managed not to, DUH, get hurt. I can't remember what happened since I was only 9 or so at the time but, he won't be doing that again. In a word, becareful!! John Carver From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 08:40:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25160; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10278; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (known sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02504 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA03826 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xcgca007.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.78]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA22506 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGCA007 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <2LQQ2PZZ>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:39:21 -0700 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B75@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'CloudsAbv9'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:36:03 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, it's kinda strange how that works. Example: A couple of nights ago, I was coming back from the SO's place (in Alex.) and she was following me in her car. I got cut off once by a car accelerating and pulling in from of me when he was in the right turn only lane, and I had a guy get to a 4-way stop across from me and waaay after me. As soon as I started to move he accelerated (deliberately) and turned left in front of me. It was a CLASSIC example of the "I'm bigger, you won't hit me" mindset of driving The funny thing was when we got to my place, she got out of her car and said "Wow tough ride home, you got cut off and almost hit ..." I just looked at her confused and said "huh?" and she mentioned the guy that cut me off and the guy at the stop sign. I replied "Oh yeah I guess I did" and she couldn't believe that it didn't faze me. I guess that a) I am getting desensitized to it, and b) I am fortunate enough to be able to let it go and not ruin what otherwise, was a beautiful dusk ride in 68 deg weather. :-) --chris (rolling with, but still ducking, the punches) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: CloudsAbv9[SMTP:CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 3:57 AM > To: ghowell@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > > You are absolutley right, but I wish more people would check blind > spots. Not > to mention perfectly visable spots. While coming home from the > mounting party > at leons I was almost run off the road twice. The first time I was in > the > middle lane and a 2 door coupe with a ladder strapped to the roof > pulled in > behind me from the slow lane. The ladder he was toting was protruding > off the > front of the vehicle to the extent where it almost clipped my helmet. > I mean, > cmon people... this is scary. And the second involved a brand new 4 > door cage > who seemed indulged in his conversation on his car phone. he didnt > bother to > signal or look and came right over at me in the slow lane. I was on > the > shoulder and he was more than half way in my lane before backing off > and > realizing what was going on. If these are the risks involved with > dc-cycles > gatherings, then count me out.(j/k). > > Well, thats my two cents. > > Sean P. > Ride Free > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 08:46:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25208; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10634; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com (known ngedns.northgrum.com [192.86.71.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02652 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgny003.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.161]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA14787 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGNY003 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2LF85M0G>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:45:17 -0400 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B77@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: FW: Boy I wish this was for real !! Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:45:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >From another list ... Todd (and others) have you heard anything about this? If so, where do I sign? --chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---------- > From: Ken[SMTP:kwetz@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 8:09 PM > > Found this link while surfing for ST1100 links. > > http://www.fremme.no/st1100/a1honda.html > > Can we get them to make it !!!!!! > > > Ken Wetz in Venice Florida > kwetz@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:02:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25529; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12750; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03450 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA18689; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA17743; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:00:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980408130051.HTCA18677@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:00:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 08:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Roy D. Turner" CC: Subject: Corner Work at Summit Pt was: Sat. Ride to Summit Pt. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980408130051.HTCA18677@[166.41.242.141]> Wx permitting, I'll be riding up friday evening to camp. I plan to cornerwork this Saturday and possibly Sunday as well. Anyone else doing any corner work this weekend? Want to ride up with me Friday afternoon/evening? Todd Roy Turner wrote: >Anyone interested in joining me (96 F3) and my buddy Kevin (91 VFR 750) on >a ride to Summit Point to catch the races on Saturday? We prefer to go >with riders who are willing to travel at a "brisk" pace. At this time we >plan to depart from the Springfield, VA area around 10:30 a.m. Roy D. >Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:09:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25606; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13213; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03643 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA22181; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA04381; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980408130745.HUZV18677@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:07:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: CloudsAbv9 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980408130745.HUZV18677@[166.41.242.141]> Sean P. wrote: ... And the second involved a brand new 4 door cage >who seemed indulged in his conversation on his car phone. he didnt bother to >signal or look and came right over at me in the slow lane. I was on the >shoulder and he was more than half way in my lane before backing off and >realizing what was going on. If these are the risks involved >with dc-cycles gatherings, then count me out.(j/k). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wha'? What does one have to do with the other? Comments to both George and Sean. George, you signalled and signalled but was ignored by a couple of jerks. Or worse, they really didn't see you! If either reason gives motorcyclists a bad name then there are at least 10:1 reasons why cagers suck overall as drivers. I've never seen more rude, discourteous driving habits than those of car drivers. In a single evening out, and on two seperate occassions, cars came up to and blew through a stop on a side street. One of them made it a point to fly right out into the left lane where I was! Which brings me to Seans comments. If I wasn't already prepared for the silly, stupid antics of those cagers, I'd be splat! Try to stay away from obvious danger, like ladders hanging off of trucks and dickheads occupied on a cell phone. IMNSHO, unless a cager is also a rider, they are a real danger to motorcyclists and they really don't give a crap about motorcyclists issues and the stuff we deal with. We have a right to expect that cagers act responsibly and give way, and be courteous. Don't ever assume it's true though. My .000000002 worth. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:13:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25653; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13561; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03716 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA02298; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:12:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA24501; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:12:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980408131205.HWGC18677@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:12:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: FW: Boy I wish this was for real !! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980408131205.HWGC18677@[166.41.242.141]> One of the best examples of UK subterfuge there is. Go to the bottom of that page and read over the disclaimer. Todd Chris Meier wrote: >From another list ... Todd (and others) have you heard anything about this? >If so, where do I sign? --chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---------- > From: Ken[SMTP:kwetz@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 8:09 PM > > Found this link while surfing for ST1100 links. > > http://www.fremme.no/st1100/a1honda.html > > Can we get them to make it !!!!!! > > > Ken Wetz in Venice Florida > kwetz@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:14:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25667; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13613; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03728 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA10319; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:17:01 -0400 Message-ID: <352B77D2.3B001559@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:12:50 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Carver, John" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Weld . . . BOOM! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As the guy who started this thread. Doesn't this sound a lot like the stories that you hear when someone/anyone hears you ride a motorcycle? My dad/cousin/uncle/friend of the family had one of those things once. Damn near killed himself when he . . . Yes, I'll be careful. Yes, I plan to do it. No, it isn't always fatal, several people have done it successfully. The last gas tank I cut open, I simply took a saw to it. It had a rust hole in the bottom and had been completely dry for about 6 years. It didn't explode. This one also has rust holes in it. It had water in it because the top was off. I tipped it on it's side and drained the water out. It's now drying in my shed. I don't think I'll let it cure for 6 years like the last one, but a month or two more won't hurt. Leon. Carver, John wrote: > > My dad told me about welding the gas tank from his, (still has it with > > 70k miles), '79 Bonneville Brougham. He filled the entire 26(?) > gallon tank up with water except for the last little air pocket in the > filler neck. Even with only this small area left it *still* blew up!! > He managed not to, DUH, get hurt. I can't remember what happened > since I was only 9 or so at the time but, he won't be doing that > again. In a word, becareful!! > > John Carver From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:17:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25693; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13747; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com (known ngedns.northgrum.com [192.86.71.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03788 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgny003.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.161]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA15445; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGNY003 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2LF85NBX>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:16:27 -0400 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B79@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Todd Peer'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: FW: Boy I wish this was for real !! Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:16:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, I knew it was an Apr Fools type of thing ... but someone sure put some time into drawing out the concept pic of the bike. Or is that just a markup of a concept the Honda did? Although I know it was a rouse, if this is the future of bikes, well, I like it. --chris PS. I would go up to the races with you, but I have Easter commitments this weekend. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:09 AM > To: Meier, Christopher > Cc: 'dc-cycles' > Subject: Re: FW: Boy I wish this was for real !! > > > One of the best examples of UK subterfuge there is. Go to the bottom > of that page and read over the disclaimer. > > Todd > > Chris Meier wrote: > >From another list ... Todd (and others) have you heard anything about > this? > >If so, where do I sign? > > --chris > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > -------- > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > -------- > > > > ---------- > > From: Ken[SMTP:kwetz@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 8:09 PM > > > > Found this link while surfing for ST1100 links. > > > > http://www.fremme.no/st1100/a1honda.html > > > > Can we get them to make it !!!!!! > > > > > > Ken Wetz in Venice Florida > > kwetz@XXXXXX > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:18:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25709; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13801; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03818 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A90B1A100F6; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:18:03 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980408091723.00f1aa70@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:17:23 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: And you wonder why we get a bad name... In-Reply-To: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B75@xcgva001.grumman. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:36 AM 4/8/98 -0700, Meier, Christopher wrote: >The funny thing was when we got to my place, she got out of her car and >said "Wow tough ride home, you got cut off and almost hit ..." I just >looked at her confused and said "huh?" and she mentioned the guy that >cut me off and the guy at the stop sign. I replied "Oh yeah I guess I >did" and she couldn't believe that it didn't faze me. My wife has commented, after riding on the back, how often people "play chicken" with motorcyclists. Like you, I didn't specifically recall most of the events, because it was just part of the "typical ride". Years ago, I used to drive a VW Beetle and drive a 12-ton truck for work. It was real neat to get in the truck after driving in the VW. However, it was a little more dangerous moving from the truck to the VW. This "play chicken" attitude is part of what's fueling the large "sport-utility" vehicle popularity, which just encourages more of the same. After an incident last week, I'm tempted to install loud pipes and dress like a 1%'er - maybe I'd get just a tad more respect. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:22:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25754; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13996; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail1.geocities.com [209.1.224.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03949 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA16558; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352B7986.33D2848A@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:20:07 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: "Roy D. Turner" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Pt References: <19980408130051.HTCA18677@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't finalized up plans yet, but I definitely will be out at Summit cornerworking. I've farmed the wife out to the inlaws in CT so I've got a good bachelor weekend, so I'm not sure if I'll be camping or not. I'll let ya know. For anyone else going up there (cornerworking or not), I'll have the truck out there and an ice chest full of some form of beverage... probably iced water and soda... Feel free to swing by and lock riding gear in the cab if you want. Collin Todd Peer wrote: > I plan to > cornerwork this Saturday and possibly Sunday as well. Anyone else > doing any corner work this weekend? > -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:27:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25809; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14102; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04006 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id JAA13216; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hrnexch1.eisi.com(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma013179; Wed, 8 Apr 98 09:25:41 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:27:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:27:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I remember checking the blind spot getting drilled into my head repeatedly at high school driver ed (in Connecticut). I'm really amazed at how many people not only don't check them, but if you say, "don't you check your blind spot," say "Huh? Blind spot?" Scary. --John Whiteside ---------- From: CloudsAbv9 [SMTP:CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 3:58 AM To: ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: And you wonder why we get a bad name... You are absolutley right, but I wish more people would check blind spots. Not to mention perfectly visable spots. While coming home from the mounting party at leons I was almost run off the road twice. The first time I was in the middle lane and a 2 door coupe with a ladder strapped to the roof pulled in behind me from the slow lane. The ladder he was toting was protruding off the front of the vehicle to the extent where it almost clipped my helmet. I mean, cmon people... this is scary. And the second involved a brand new 4 door cage who seemed indulged in his conversation on his car phone. he didnt bother to signal or look and came right over at me in the slow lane. I was on the shoulder and he was more than half way in my lane before backing off and realizing what was going on. If these are the risks involved with dc-cycles gatherings, then count me out.(j/k). Well, thats my two cents. Sean P. Ride Free From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:28:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25825; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14146; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04061 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD62CF.BAA1F350@XXXXXX>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:21:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'CloudsAbv9'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:21:35 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And what does this have to do with DC-Cycles gatherings?? I've found so far that with exception to a couple of incidents that the gatherings have been really safe... -Tom '86 VFR750F >-----Original Message----- >From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:03 AM >To: CloudsAbv9 >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > >Sean P. wrote: >... And the second involved a brand new 4 door cage >>who seemed indulged in his conversation on his car phone. he didnt bother >>to >>signal or look and came right over at me in the slow lane. I was on the >>shoulder and he was more than half way in my lane before backing off and >>realizing what was going on. If these are the risks involved >>with dc-cycles gatherings, then count me out.(j/k). > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Wha'? What does one have to do with the other? > >Comments to both George and Sean. > > George, you signalled and signalled but was ignored by a couple >of jerks. Or worse, they really didn't see you! If either reason >gives motorcyclists a bad name then there are at least 10:1 reasons >why cagers suck overall as drivers. I've never seen more rude, discourteous >driving habits than those of car drivers. In a single evening out, >and on two seperate occassions, cars came up to and blew through a >stop on a side street. One of them made it a point to fly right out >into the left lane where I was! > > Which brings me to Seans comments. If I wasn't already prepared >for the silly, stupid antics of those cagers, I'd be splat! Try to >stay away from obvious danger, like ladders hanging off of trucks and >dickheads occupied on a cell phone. > > IMNSHO, unless a cager is also a rider, they are a real danger >to motorcyclists and they really don't give a crap about motorcyclists >issues and the stuff we deal with. We have a right to expect that >cagers act responsibly and give way, and be courteous. Don't ever >assume it's true though. > > My .000000002 worth. > >Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:30:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25843; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14193; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04141 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id JAA13631; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hrnexch1.eisi.com(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma013603; Wed, 8 Apr 98 09:28:42 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:30:08 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:30:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" re - cell phones I do a slow burn every time I hear one of those cellular industry sponsored ads telling everyone to "use their phone safely." In my opinion the only way to do that is to do it while you are not driving. I have a cell phone; I use it when pulled over, parked, or sitting in a monster non-moving traffic jam. NOT while in motion. I would love to see people ticketed for talking and driving at once. And I wish the cellular industry would be responsible enough to say, in those safety messages, "Don't talk on the phone and drive at the same time. Pull over to make calls." just venting... --John Whiteside From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:30:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25861; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14197; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (known sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04174 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id GAA06394 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xcgca007.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.78]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id GAA24818 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGCA007 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <2LQQ2QGM>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:29:04 -0700 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B7A@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'Chris Norloff'" Subject: RE: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:29:04 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:17 AM > To: 'dc-cycles' > Subject: RE: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > --snip-- > After an incident last week, I'm tempted to install loud pipes and > dress > like a 1%'er - maybe I'd get just a tad more respect. > Uh, do tell ... --chris PS. You *can't* end an e-mail w/ a teaser like that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:39:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26140; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14616; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04669 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA20058 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:38:23 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:38:23 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:40:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 12 TEXT What they're finding is that using a cell phone whilst moving has about the same increase in crash (I REFUSE to use the word accident in this context) potential as talking to a passenger in the vehicle. The bottom line seems to be that ANY distraction from the task at hand tends to increase the potential for whoopsies. Or as we used to say, No shit, Sherlock. Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:42:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26189; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14687; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04790 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA24879 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:34:03 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:40:30 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:41:46 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: And you wonder why we get a bad name... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Effing morons. Between the squids and the RUBs . . . That blind-spot guy is gonna have a date with Darwin one of these days. Hopefully his bike will fall over on him at a stoplight and he'll get out. Joe Nagy '85 900 Ninja, '68 H-D FLH, AMA, HOG >>> George Howell - 4/7/98 11:08 PM >>> Drove to work today. SWMBO did not provide the option of taking the bike. But tomorrow is Wednesday, and rain, sleet, or snow, that's bike day. After making the deposit at the bank, was heading north on Rt. 301 to Waldorf. It widens up to three lanes. I got over to the far left lane to get around a few trucks, and two HD FL's. As I got close to my right hand turn (about 1 1/2 miles away) I started moving ot the right. Except.... Those jerks on the HDs were there. I drive a Miata. And I'm a big boy. There's no way I'd not be seen checking my blind spot (something I always do, and do it three or four times when I know there's a bike around). But one of the FLs was parked in my blind spot. Saw me check my blind spot (top was down. My big noggin was quite visible if he was paying the slightest attention.) and this guy didn't back off. Turned on turn signal. Head check. Ignored. By now, I'm getting really close (3/4 mile) to my turn, so I had to tailgate the guy in front of me in order to get around the HDs. (couldn't brake and pull in behind them. Quite the traffic back up behind them.) Is it any wonder that cagers frequently have their sights set for us when these two inconsiderate boobs (need I mention the beanie helmets?) do something like this? FWIW, one of these guys (the older looking one) seemed to be having quite a bit of trouble at the two stop lights we were at. His bike also had temp tags. Can anyone say RUBBIE??? Now, if they irked another half dozen cagers, they've screwed it up for everyone. Me, I know that they were either RUBBIES or true 1%'ers. Either way, they are pricks who are detrimental to our WOL. Glad I got that out. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:48:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26379; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15145; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05046 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA00507; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:45:20 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E549@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Whiteside, John'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:46:19 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I TOTALLY agree!! How about reading the paper while driving, brushing teeth while driving, too?? I can't believe the asinine behavior of drivers. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:30 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > > re - cell phones > > I do a slow burn every time I hear one of those cellular industry > sponsored > ads telling everyone to "use their phone safely." In my opinion the > only way > to do that is to do it while you are not driving. I have a cell phone; > I use > it when pulled over, parked, or sitting in a monster non-moving > traffic jam. > NOT while in motion. I would love to see people ticketed for talking > and > driving at once. And I wish the cellular industry would be responsible > enough to say, in those safety messages, "Don't talk on the phone and > drive > at the same time. Pull over to make calls." > > just venting... > > --John Whiteside From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 09:54:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26502; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15718; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05359 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD62D3.5CB63B30@XXXXXX>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:47:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:47:35 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is my understanding that driving and using a cell phone is just as hazardous as driving while under the influence of drugs and alcohol. It was also stated that men are more at fault then women. I myself have used a phone while driving... and I have noticed that my driving is not as good as while using it. I'm trying to avoid using my phone while I'm driving... I don't wish to become a statistic.... My .02 -Tom >-----Original Message----- >From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:41 AM >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > >What they're finding is that using a cell phone whilst moving has about >the same increase in crash (I REFUSE to use the word accident in this >context) potential as talking to a passenger in the vehicle. > >The bottom line seems to be that ANY distraction from the task at hand >tends to increase the potential for whoopsies. > >Or as we used to say, No shit, Sherlock. > >Michael J. > >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:01:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26720; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16566; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itm07.itmassociates.com (known [207.154.22.7] [207.154.22.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05783 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itm04.itmassociates.com ([207.154.22.4]) by itm07.itmassociates.com (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 852565E0.004CF54C; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:00:35 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980408135935.0096b6f0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: us004937@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:59:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Space Subject: Re: Weld . . . BOOM! Sorry to add to it but ... I have a gas tank I need to dispose of properly so I called the number they give you on the Vienna Town Flyer and the lady on the phone told me to take it to the Fairfax dump BUT it had to be cut in half. I have a Sawz-all, but I'll bet that there's a pretty good chance that it will make a spark or two when I start cutting. I thought about filling it with water, but that would only last until I cut one side and then it would empty out. Maybe I should just try to shoot a bottle rocket into it from across the yard..that might get it into 2 or more pieces (just kidding I don't have any bottle rockets ;) ). I think I am going to call back and ask for a supervisor or someone else for clarification. When is the next group ride in the local area? Later Rob Space 86 VF500 At 09:12 AM 4/8/98 -0400, you wrote: >As the guy who started this thread. Doesn't this sound a lot like the >stories that you hear when someone/anyone hears you ride a motorcycle? > >My dad/cousin/uncle/friend of the family had one of those things once. >Damn near killed himself when he . . . > >Yes, I'll be careful. Yes, I plan to do it. No, it isn't always fatal, >several people have done it successfully. The last gas tank I cut open, >I simply took a saw to it. It had a rust hole in the bottom and had >been completely dry for about 6 years. It didn't explode. This one >also has rust holes in it. It had water in it because the top was off. >I tipped it on it's side and drained the water out. It's now drying in >my shed. I don't think I'll let it cure for 6 years like the last one, >but a month or two more won't hurt. > >Leon. > >Carver, John wrote: >> >> My dad told me about welding the gas tank from his, (still has it with >> > 70k miles), '79 Bonneville Brougham. He filled the entire 26(?) >> gallon tank up with water except for the last little air pocket in the >> filler neck. Even with only this small area left it *still* blew up!! >> He managed not to, DUH, get hurt. I can't remember what happened >> since I was only 9 or so at the time but, he won't be doing that >> again. In a word, becareful!! >> >> John Carver > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:05:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26865; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16817; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05951 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:04:05 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA07614 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:04:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199804081404.AA07614@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:04:40 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:04:40 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:04:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:02:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980408130745.HUZV18677@[166.41.242.141]> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME > IMNSHO, unless a cager is also a rider, they are a real danger > to motorcyclists and they really don't give a crap about motorcyclists > issues and the stuff we deal with. We have a right to expect that > cagers act responsibly and give way, and be courteous. Don't ever > assume it's true though. > > My .000000002 worth. > ....I have an AMA sticker on the back of my Explorer Sport (license plate ROK&RLL if any of you have seen me)...I can't count how many times a fellow motorcyclist has given me a thumbs up when they've passed me because of that sticker. I am acutely aware of *any* biker when I'm in my cage, I think, much more so than a non-riding cager will ever be. -aki > Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:06:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26878; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16841; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06003 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA05730; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:03:25 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E54D@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Tom Zell'" , "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:04:23 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yes, I very often will take the phone from him while he's driving and dial for him. It makes me VERY nervous!! Now, just how did that guy on the Harley that I saw use his cell phone while RIDING? Seems a bit more dangerous to me on bike!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Zell [SMTP:zell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:48 AM > To: 'Jordan, Michael'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad > name... > > It is my understanding that driving and using a cell phone is just as > hazardous as driving while under the influence of drugs and alcohol. > It > was also stated that men are more at fault then women. I myself have > used a phone while driving... and I have noticed that my driving is > not > as good as while using it. I'm trying to avoid using my phone while > I'm > driving... I don't wish to become a statistic.... > > My .02 > -Tom > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:41 AM > >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > >Subject: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad > name... > > > >What they're finding is that using a cell phone whilst moving has > about > >the same increase in crash (I REFUSE to use the word accident in this > >context) potential as talking to a passenger in the vehicle. > > > >The bottom line seems to be that ANY distraction from the task at > hand > >tends to increase the potential for whoopsies. > > > >Or as we used to say, No shit, Sherlock. > > > >Michael J. > > > >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:08:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26902; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16894; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06094 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVMCLVZRCW8ZLCIV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:51:34 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:46:42 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:46:42 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:46:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... In-reply-to: To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1313IID242C0 X400-MTS-identifier: [;24649080408991/2511811@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >re - cell phones >And I wish the cellular industry would be responsible enough to say, >in those safety messages, "Don't talk on the phone and drive at the >same time. Pull over to make calls." An amusing story: my wife is from Chile and still has a lot of family down there. Her aunt told her that the police down there were doing a crackdown on phone usage while driving. I forget the exact amount but something like 33% of those pulled over and ticketed were 'using' fake phones. Just for the prestige! Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:11:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26923; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16950; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06188 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:09:59 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA08024 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:10:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199804081410.AA08024@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:10:35 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:10:35 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:10:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:08:22 -0400 Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME > re - cell phones > > I do a slow burn every time I hear one of those cellular industry sponsored > ads telling everyone to "use their phone safely." In my opinion the only way > to do that is to do it while you are not driving. I have a cell phone; I use > it when pulled over, parked, or sitting in a monster non-moving traffic jam. > NOT while in motion. I would love to see people ticketed for talking and > driving at once. And I wish the cellular industry would be responsible > enough to say, in those safety messages, "Don't talk on the phone and drive > at the same time. Pull over to make calls." > > just venting... > > --John Whiteside > > I have a cell phone in my truck but I don't use the handset when I'm driving..it's a hands free unit and I've (personally) never been distracted with merely talking and driving..to me anyway, it's no more difficult talking to someone on the speaker as it is talking to someone sitting next to me. However I agree that using a handset and driving can be dangerous for alot of singletasked minds out there. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:18:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27126; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17063; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06414 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA09681; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:14:42 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E550@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:15:40 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Speaking of stickers, does anyone know where I can get one of those yellow "Watch for Motorcyclists" bumper stickers? I've looked at many motorcycle shops & haven't seen them at VA DMVs either... Where the hell do these come from!!?? I want to put one on my car, I figure the more cagers see something like this, the more it just may stick in their minds(?) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 10:03 AM > To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX > Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > > > ....I have an AMA sticker on the back of my Explorer Sport (license > plate ROK&RLL if any of you have seen me)...I can't count how many > times a fellow motorcyclist has given me a thumbs up when they've > passed me because of that sticker. > > I am acutely aware of *any* biker when I'm in my cage, I think, much > more so than a non-riding cager will ever be. > > -aki > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:19:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27132; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17074; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06434 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:17:02 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA08538 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:17:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199804081417.AA08538@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:17:39 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:17:39 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:17:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:15:23 -0400 Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME uh..I don't think so..using a phone is a *temporary* degradation of driving ability, while being drunk (or drugged) cannot be "turned off". Additionally, driving while under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs can significantly reduce your *judgement* and *ability* to reason and make intelligent decisions while talking on the phone reduces ones ability to pay *full attention* to their surroundings..there's a difference. That's why the law will charge you with "failing to pay full attention" if you have an accident while using the phone, but will rarely (if ever) charge you with reckless. -aki > It is my understanding that driving and using a cell phone is just as > hazardous as driving while under the influence of drugs and alcohol. It > was also stated that men are more at fault then women. I myself have > used a phone while driving... and I have noticed that my driving is not > as good as while using it. I'm trying to avoid using my phone while I'm > driving... I don't wish to become a statistic.... > > My .02 > -Tom > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:41 AM > >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > >Subject: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > > > >What they're finding is that using a cell phone whilst moving has about > >the same increase in crash (I REFUSE to use the word accident in this > >context) potential as talking to a passenger in the vehicle. > > > >The bottom line seems to be that ANY distraction from the task at hand > >tends to increase the potential for whoopsies. > > > >Or as we used to say, No shit, Sherlock. > > > >Michael J. > > > >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:20:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27144; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17090; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06462 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA24704; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352B8696.53539E4C@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 10:15:50 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Foreman CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Summit Pt References: <01bd62f5$7828eee0$0705047b@gwf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure where exactly I'll be parking, but most likely it will be back over towards turn 3 or so?? not sure yet, but my truck is real easy to spot. Forest Green 93 Dodge Dakota Sport 4x4 Light bar on top Oregon Tags: VEW 989 I'll likely be out in one of the corners...I'll try to figure out what ballcap I'll be wearing and post back... Or just Roger Lyle (MARCC official) at an appropriate break in the action... He'll have a list of where people are working. Gary Foreman wrote: > > Where will you be? What kind of truck? Lic? I will be there Sunday > afternoon, Red FJ1100 (ALL RED) -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:24:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27226; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17148; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06586 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:22:22 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA08984 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:22:58 -0400 Message-Id: <199804081422.AA08984@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:22:58 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:22:58 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:22:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:21:11 -0400 Subject: A few less 1%'ers.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199804081410.AA08024@egate2.citicorp.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...I didn't realize there were four chapters of this club on Long Island alone! -aki *** 33 charged in Long Island biker roundup Thirty members of a national motorcycle gang were arrested Tuesday on a host of charges ranging from conspiracy to commit murder to extortion, and arson charges, officials said. Federal charges were filed against 33 members and associates of the Pagan Outlaw Motorcycle Club, a national organization with four Long Island chapters, the focus of the joint law enforcement effort, the U.S. Attorney's office said. Twenty-seven defendants were arrested on Long Island Tuesday, three were arrested in Florida, Virginia or Pennsylvania and three remained at large, Uniondale, N.Y., officials said. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2553651871-c1d From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:24:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27235; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17158; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06615 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA06778; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id HAA03316; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA15309; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:22:33 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA15306; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:22:32 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD62BF.10218630@XXXXXX>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:22:18 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:14:54 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 In the instructional pamphlets that come with the cell phones it does say to pull over to make a call when driving but the type is so small and blended in with other information that's insignificant. Why this message isn't stressed more I have no idea. Well, profits, I suppose. Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 >-----Original Message----- >From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 6:30 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > >re - cell phones > >I do a slow burn every time I hear one of those cellular industry sponsored >ads telling everyone to "use their phone safely." In my opinion the only way >to do that is to do it while you are not driving. I have a cell phone; I use >it when pulled over, parked, or sitting in a monster non-moving traffic jam. >NOT while in motion. I would love to see people ticketed for talking and >driving at once. And I wish the cellular industry would be responsible >enough to say, in those safety messages, "Don't talk on the phone and drive >at the same time. Pull over to make calls." > >just venting... > >--John Whiteside > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:45:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27503; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17556; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07251 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA13283; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:48:05 -0400 Message-ID: <352B8D2B.E94C2075@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 10:43:55 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Space CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weld . . . BOOM! References: <1.5.4.32.19980408135935.0096b6f0@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit She was giving a bureaucratic answer. If it were me, I'd put a piece of plywood on top of it and run it over with a truck. Once it's flat, take it to the dump. If questioned about that method, volunteer that it was presented (never mind by whom) as an alternative to sawing it in half. Leon. Robert Space wrote: > > Sorry to add to it but ... I have a gas tank I need to dispose of properly > so I called the number they give you on the Vienna Town Flyer and the lady > on the phone told me to take it to the Fairfax dump BUT it had to be cut in > half. I have a Sawz-all, but I'll bet that there's a pretty good chance > that it will make a spark or two when I start cutting. I thought about > filling it with water, but that would only last until I cut one side and > then it would empty out. Maybe I should just try to shoot a bottle rocket > into it from across the yard..that might get it into 2 or more pieces (just > kidding I don't have any bottle rockets ;) ). > > I think I am going to call back and ask for a supervisor or someone else for > clarification. > > When is the next group ride in the local area? > > Later > Rob Space > 86 VF500 > > At 09:12 AM 4/8/98 -0400, you wrote: > >As the guy who started this thread. Doesn't this sound a lot like the > >stories that you hear when someone/anyone hears you ride a motorcycle? > > > >My dad/cousin/uncle/friend of the family had one of those things once. > >Damn near killed himself when he . . . > > > >Yes, I'll be careful. Yes, I plan to do it. No, it isn't always fatal, > >several people have done it successfully. The last gas tank I cut open, > >I simply took a saw to it. It had a rust hole in the bottom and had > >been completely dry for about 6 years. It didn't explode. This one > >also has rust holes in it. It had water in it because the top was off. > >I tipped it on it's side and drained the water out. It's now drying in > >my shed. I don't think I'll let it cure for 6 years like the last one, > >but a month or two more won't hurt. > > > >Leon. > > > >Carver, John wrote: > >> > >> My dad told me about welding the gas tank from his, (still has it with > >> > 70k miles), '79 Bonneville Brougham. He filled the entire 26(?) > >> gallon tank up with water except for the last little air pocket in the > >> filler neck. Even with only this small area left it *still* blew up!! > >> He managed not to, DUH, get hurt. I can't remember what happened > >> since I was only 9 or so at the time but, he won't be doing that > >> again. In a word, becareful!! > >> > >> John Carver > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:46:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27526; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17575; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07264 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD62DA.9C618030@XXXXXX>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:39:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:39:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But... the level of "awareness" while using the cell phone is comparable to driving under the influence... the organization that did the study on these things(sorry I can't actually give a name to back up my story) came up with this comparison and I heard it on one of the news/talk radio stations...I think WTOP.... -Tom >-----Original Message----- >From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 10:15 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > >uh..I don't think so..using a phone is a *temporary* degradation of >driving ability, while being drunk (or drugged) cannot be "turned off". > >Additionally, driving while under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs >can significantly reduce your *judgement* and *ability* to reason and >make intelligent decisions while talking on the phone reduces ones ability >to pay *full attention* to their surroundings..there's a difference. >That's why the law will charge you with "failing to pay full attention" if >you have an accident while using the phone, but will rarely (if ever) charge >you with reckless. > >-aki > > >> It is my understanding that driving and using a cell phone is just as >> hazardous as driving while under the influence of drugs and alcohol. It >> was also stated that men are more at fault then women. I myself have >> used a phone while driving... and I have noticed that my driving is not >> as good as while using it. I'm trying to avoid using my phone while I'm >> driving... I don't wish to become a statistic.... >> >> My .02 >> -Tom >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] >> >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:41 AM >> >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >> >Subject: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... >> > >> >What they're finding is that using a cell phone whilst moving has about >> >the same increase in crash (I REFUSE to use the word accident in this >> >context) potential as talking to a passenger in the vehicle. >> > >> >The bottom line seems to be that ANY distraction from the task at hand >> >tends to increase the potential for whoopsies. >> > >> >Or as we used to say, No shit, Sherlock. >> > >> >Michael J. >> > >> >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:50:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27584; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17690; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07348 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.52] (unverified [207.226.128.52]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 10:47:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 98 10:50:06 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , cc: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Speaking of stickers, does anyone know where I can get one of those >yellow "Watch for Motorcyclists" bumper stickers? >I've looked at many motorcycle shops & haven't seen them at VA DMVs >either... >Where the hell do these come from!!?? I want to put one on my car, I >figure the more cagers see something like this, the more it just may >stick in their minds(?) I got several at the Md DMV. I also got some in the mail when I signed up for the MSF course. Now is a good time to mention that about four times in the past month, I've been nearly run off the road by guys (in pickups) with these bumper stickers? Ironic, ain't it? ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:50:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27592; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17732; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07392 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA13383; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:51:43 -0400 Message-ID: <352B8E04.FF69A31B@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 10:47:32 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E550@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The yellow ones came from the Maryland Motorcycle safety program a few years ago. After the MVA took over the program, the bumper stickers were not reordered in an effort to cut costs. They also quit giving instructors free shirts and other neat stuff. :-( Leon. O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Speaking of stickers, does anyone know where I can get one of those > yellow "Watch for Motorcyclists" bumper stickers? > I've looked at many motorcycle shops & haven't seen them at VA DMVs > either... > Where the hell do these come from!!?? I want to put one on my car, I > figure the more cagers see something like this, the more it just may > stick in their minds(?) > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 10:03 AM > > To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX > > Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > > > > > > ....I have an AMA sticker on the back of my Explorer Sport (license > > plate ROK&RLL if any of you have seen me)...I can't count how many > > times a fellow motorcyclist has given me a thumbs up when they've > > passed me because of that sticker. > > > > I am acutely aware of *any* biker when I'm in my cage, I think, much > > more so than a non-riding cager will ever be. > > > > -aki > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:53:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27630; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17910; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07474 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA27282 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:52:34 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:52:34 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:55:06 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 7 TEXT >Now, just how did that guy on the Harley that I saw use his cell phone >while RIDING? I have a major problem stuffing it up under my helmet Michael J > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:54:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27643; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17939; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07492 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:53:14 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA11167 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:53:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199804081453.AA11167@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:53:49 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:53:49 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:53:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:52:32 -0400 Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... To: zell@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME hmmm...following that line of logic then, shouldn't emergency vehicles (e.g. police, ambulance, fire) pull over whenever they talk on their radios? Also they shouldn't be listening to their radios while driving either. Additionally, a cager shouldn't listen to their radio/stereo either...makes one think about how alot of us bikers ride while listening to a portable radio or the wingers with CB's/radio's/tape players... -aki > But... the level of "awareness" while using the cell phone is comparable > to driving under the influence... the organization that did the study on > these things(sorry I can't actually give a name to back up my story) > came up with this comparison and I heard it on one of the news/talk > radio stations...I think WTOP.... > > -Tom > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 10:15 AM > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > > > >uh..I don't think so..using a phone is a *temporary* degradation of > >driving ability, while being drunk (or drugged) cannot be "turned off". > > > >Additionally, driving while under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs > >can significantly reduce your *judgement* and *ability* to reason and > >make intelligent decisions while talking on the phone reduces ones ability > >to pay *full attention* to their surroundings..there's a difference. > >That's why the law will charge you with "failing to pay full attention" if > >you have an accident while using the phone, but will rarely (if ever) charge > >you with reckless. > > > >-aki > > > > > >> It is my understanding that driving and using a cell phone is just as > >> hazardous as driving while under the influence of drugs and alcohol. It > >> was also stated that men are more at fault then women. I myself have > >> used a phone while driving... and I have noticed that my driving is not > >> as good as while using it. I'm trying to avoid using my phone while I'm > >> driving... I don't wish to become a statistic.... > >> > >> My .02 > >> -Tom > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > >> >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:41 AM > >> >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > >> >Subject: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > >> > > >> >What they're finding is that using a cell phone whilst moving has about > >> >the same increase in crash (I REFUSE to use the word accident in this > >> >context) potential as talking to a passenger in the vehicle. > >> > > >> >The bottom line seems to be that ANY distraction from the task at hand > >> >tends to increase the potential for whoopsies. > >> > > >> >Or as we used to say, No shit, Sherlock. > >> > > >> >Michael J. > >> > > >> >> > >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 10:56:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27691; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18051; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lds96.lds96.com (known [206.161.142.5] [206.161.142.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07556 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lds96.lds96.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD62DB.F7411780@XXXXXX>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:49:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tom Zell To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:49:10 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok... I think we're going a little too far here... and I'd rather hear/speak about things that are more moto related so I say we kill this thread! That's all I have to say on that. -Tom >-----Original Message----- >From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 10:53 AM >To: Tom Zell >Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... > >hmmm...following that line of logic then, shouldn't emergency >vehicles (e.g. police, ambulance, fire) pull over whenever >they talk on their radios? Also they shouldn't be listening >to their radios while driving either. Additionally, a cager >shouldn't listen to their radio/stereo either...makes one think >about how alot of us bikers ride while listening to a portable >radio or the wingers with CB's/radio's/tape players... > >-aki > > >> But... the level of "awareness" while using the cell phone is >comparable >> to driving under the influence... the organization that did the study >on >> these things(sorry I can't actually give a name to back up my story) >> came up with this comparison and I heard it on one of the news/talk >> radio stations...I think WTOP.... >> >> -Tom >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] >> >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 10:15 AM >> >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> >Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad >name... >> > >> >uh..I don't think so..using a phone is a *temporary* degradation of >> >driving ability, while being drunk (or drugged) cannot be "turned >off". >> > >> >Additionally, driving while under the influence of alcohol and/or >drugs >> >can significantly reduce your *judgement* and *ability* to reason and >> >make intelligent decisions while talking on the phone reduces ones >ability >> >to pay *full attention* to their surroundings..there's a difference. >> >That's why the law will charge you with "failing to pay full >attention" if >> >you have an accident while using the phone, but will rarely (if ever) >charge >> >you with reckless. >> > >> >-aki >> > >> > >> >> It is my understanding that driving and using a cell phone is just >as >> >> hazardous as driving while under the influence of drugs and alcohol. >It >> >> was also stated that men are more at fault then women. I myself >have >> >> used a phone while driving... and I have noticed that my driving is >not >> >> as good as while using it. I'm trying to avoid using my phone while >I'm >> >> driving... I don't wish to become a statistic.... >> >> >> >> My .02 >> >> -Tom >> >> >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >> >From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] >> >> >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:41 AM >> >> >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >> >> >Subject: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... >> >> > >> >> >What they're finding is that using a cell phone whilst moving has >about >> >> >the same increase in crash (I REFUSE to use the word accident in >this >> >> >context) potential as talking to a passenger in the vehicle. >> >> > >> >> >The bottom line seems to be that ANY distraction from the task at >hand >> >> >tends to increase the potential for whoopsies. >> >> > >> >> >Or as we used to say, No shit, Sherlock. >> >> > >> >> >Michael J. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 11:09:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27985; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18671; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08076 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A3149900F4; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:09:11 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980408110351.00eb0c20@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:03:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E549@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:46 AM 4/8/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >I TOTALLY agree!! >How about reading the paper while driving, brushing teeth while driving, >too?? >I can't believe the asinine behavior of drivers. What can we do about it? Seriously. I've wondered for years how to make a difference. I've asked a few attorneys, and since people can file only civil lawsuits and you have to show damages, there's not much to do. Police won't act on things they haven't witnessed (they deal with criminal charges, not civil). The only possiblity I've come up with that seems feasible is to videotape drivers doing stupid things, and publish it. A web page is a logical vehicle. For particularly heinous examples, you could probably get TV news to publish it. There was a web page a couple years ago in California called Highway of Shame where a commuter kept a small digital camera mounted on his dashboard and he'd take pictures of idiots. The key parts of making something like this effective as a deterrent rather than mere horrific entertainment would be to report the drivers to their Division of Motor Vehicles and their insurance companies. If you could provide a videotape of a driver being deliberately dangerous, I wonder if you could force the DMV to act on it. With the license tag number you might be able to get the insurance company information - armed with a videotape of dangerous driving, the insurance company folks might re-think insuring that driver. Once you got a collection going, there are other advantages. If one of the videotaped drivers caused an accident, and you could show that you had warned the DMV and their insurance company that this was a dangerous driver, then I bet you'd have no problem getting this on TV news. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 11:09:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27991; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18679; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08082 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A3199900F4; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:09:13 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980408110912.00eb0c00@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:09:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E550@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:15 AM 4/8/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Speaking of stickers, does anyone know where I can get one of those >yellow "Watch for Motorcyclists" bumper stickers? >I've looked at many motorcycle shops & haven't seen them at VA DMVs >either... >Where the hell do these come from!!?? I want to put one on my car, I >figure the more cagers see something like this, the more it just may >stick in their minds(?) > >- Jeannette I've got some, left over from the Maryland safety program. I'll bring them to Dale's Spring Fling. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 11:09:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27990; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18681; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08079 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A3189900F4; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:09:12 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980408110740.00eb0c00@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:07:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Weld . . . BOOM! In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980408135935.0096b6f0@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:59 AM 4/8/98 -0400, Robert Space wrote: >Sorry to add to it but ... I have a gas tank I need to dispose of properly >so I called the number they give you on the Vienna Town Flyer and the lady >on the phone told me to take it to the Fairfax dump BUT it had to be cut in >half. I have a Sawz-all, but I'll bet that there's a pretty good chance >that it will make a spark or two when I start cutting. I thought about >filling it with water, but that would only last until I cut one side and >then it would empty out. Maybe I should just try to shoot a bottle rocket >into it from across the yard..that might get it into 2 or more pieces (just >kidding I don't have any bottle rockets ;) ). Get some Varsol (Stoddard's Solvent, at a paint shop), wash out the tank, then rinse with water. Let the tank air out for a couple days and I bet that does it. If you want to be even more careful, attach the exhaust pipe of a car, or an air compressor to the tank to fill it with non-blow-uppable gas. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 11:09:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27997; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18688; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08083 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A3179900F4; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:09:11 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980408104718.00eb0c90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 10:47:18 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:40 AM 4/8/98 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote: >What they're finding is that using a cell phone whilst moving has about >the same increase in crash (I REFUSE to use the word accident in this >context) potential as talking to a passenger in the vehicle. There've been a number of studies, many with fatal flaws - like using hands-free cell phones when most people do not use those kind of phones in real life. The most recent study I read put cellphone usage at about equal to drunkenness for increase in accident rate. I recently saw a reference to a Japanese study that got similar conclusions. I think one particular thing is very important in cell phone usage - when people use a telephone they must "tune out" their environment. Whether you're calling from home, work, or a payphone beside the road, you must deliberately ignore the distractions in the environment in order to concentrate on the phone call. This is called "cognitive tunneling", focusing on a particular task to the exclusion of other tasks. A bad thing to do when driving! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 11:15:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28135; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18954; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08304 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA25821 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:06:22 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:12:56 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:14:13 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >>> George Howell - 4/8/98 10:50 AM >>> >Speaking of stickers, does anyone know where I can get one of those >yellow "Watch for Motorcyclists" bumper stickers? >I've looked at many motorcycle shops & haven't seen them at VA DMVs >either... >Where the hell do these come from!!?? I want to put one on my car, I >figure the more cagers see something like this, the more it just may >stick in their minds(?) I got several at the Md DMV. I also got some in the mail when I signed up for the MSF course. Now is a good time to mention that about four times in the past month, I've been nearly run off the road by guys (in pickups) with these bumper stickers? Ironic, ain't it? Maybe they're completing the "Watch for motorcyclists" thought with "so you can run them over." --Joe Nagy ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 12:30:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29558; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24151; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11048 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:29:25 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.76.228]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA11920 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:28:53 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980408122814.006c89c4@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 12:28:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: gas tank disposal, was: Weld . . . BOOM! In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980408110740.00eb0c00@mail.toward.com> References: <1.5.4.32.19980408135935.0096b6f0@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I expect you won't get around the cutting in half thing. My friend needed to dispose of an old heating oil tank and had to do the same thing, whether he wanted the special trash pickup to take it away, to take it to the dump, or the scrapyard. Another friend, an airconditioning service person, says they always have to do that. Junkyards used to have to flatten gas tanks. I don't know if that is still enough. You might just take it to a junkyard and ask them to dispose of it. My local junkyard will do that with non-gastank items, since they get paid for scrap. Or you can just leave it at their door one night or throw it over the fence. Otherwise, a radiator shop can clean it out so you can cut it in half. Good luck Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 12:34:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29618; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24251; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (known m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11144 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA04529 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:10:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: Summit RAces Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok, if you don't know there are races at Summit Point by now, you must not be reading your e-mails... Here's the scoop (according to Brian): Races, Summit Point WV. April 11-12 Gates open about 6pm Friday (I'll be there) Admission is $20 at the gate, $18 in advance (Call Fast Lane Cycles for info) That's for the full weekend, camping included (LOTS of fun) Cornerworking will find you in the best company of the track (well, untill Collin and I are full-fledged racers ;) - It'll also get you in the gate free (reinbursment), free hot meals - and the 2nd best seat on the track. I'll be there, cornerworking both days.. camping Friday and Sat. nights.. Look for my truck (UGLY truck.. you all should know it) - race hawk should be in or near it - I usualy camp at the VERY end of pit lane - when coming across the bridge, it's the 2nd right on pavement.. follow it till it forks right and left (T intersection) - And I should be right there.. behind a tree.. Blue tent - I'll have sodas, hot dogs and smores there for anyone that wants to stop by.. actually, there'll probably be some beer too, come to think of it.. Stop by, I'll put things in the truck if you want them locked... but, make sure to find me before 7am, arround noon, or after 6is (races are done) - otherwise I'll be out on a corner.. Hope to see ya there.. someone.. (other than collin.. who better damn well be there to walk the track with me to learn the damn thing) Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 85 XT250 (street/dirt) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 12:41:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29703; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24712; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11356 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA14876 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:40:09 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:40:09 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: gas tank disposal, was: Weld . . . BOOM! Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:42:39 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 4 TEXT A turn of Primacord around the tank will do the job nicely Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 13:36:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00482; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25497; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (known m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12922 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA13095; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:32:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:32:36 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , Leon Begeman , Jay , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Tire Mounting Party In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D570C22@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, I guess I ought to make an appearance - I haven't done anything with the group in some time - plus I know VF500's well ( as well as general stuff about bikes.. ) - Maybe I'll bring my RS125 if the engine gets here - we can do heat cycles.. :P On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Hey, I'm in! I'd love to learn maintenance for my bike. Any night's > probably good for me, I don't have school next week (thank goddess)... > I'll even bring a pie or something else fattening as hell, as long as I > don't have to cook it! ; ) Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 85 XT250 (street/dirt) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 13:53:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00830; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25661; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail1.geocities.com [209.1.224.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13570 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01766 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352BB8C1.58935A6E@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 13:49:53 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: tank disposal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, if they really want to be a stickler about it being cut in half, do what Mike J. suggested and flatten it via board method then use any ole saw to chop it (assuming you get it REALLY flat)... there shouldn't be enough of anything left to cause danger...(again, assuming you really flatten it and get out pockets) -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 14:25:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01419; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26226; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14576 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1XSYa01988 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:23:51 -0500 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:23:51 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: CLARIFICATION Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Ok, I was just commenting on how dave said he checked his blind spots and signalled, etc. And I wish more would. And the end I said "If these are the risks involved with dc-cycles gatherings, then count me out.(j/k). " It was a joke. Ha Ha? ok, so now we understand. Im glad the majority did the first time. =) Sean P. Ride Free From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 14:28:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01548; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26271; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14672 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1BDKa02092 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:26:59 -0500 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: <1942684b.352bc175@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:26:59 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: And you wonder why we get a bad name... -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 The Safety program is one place to get them, and the DMV should have some on hand. Good luck. Sean P. Ride Free From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 14:35:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01670; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26385; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14925 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2PN7MDNP>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:34:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: tank disposal Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:36:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Try the "bomb disposal" method: large, non-flammable container; wide open field; small firecracker, long fuse. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 16:16:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03514; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27718; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18925 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA10240 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA13588 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980408201040.NUCC18677@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:10:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 16:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Deal's Gap X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980408201040.NUCC18677@[166.41.242.141]> All Wow! That Deal's Gap trip is starting to shape up into something tangible. Here's how the numbers break out: 23 people have shown an interest. 10 of us will be riding down on the extended tour. 3 of us are riding a Saddle Sore down to meet the rest. 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). 2 of us in chase vehicles. This is a pretty good showing so far folks. I think we may be considering something less than an ALL group ride as the departure date approaches. Large numbers of motorcycles on the BRP is workable, but there will undoubtadly be some scene or another some will want to stop at and others will want to continue past. The PLAN will be updated with suggestions on how to cope with larger numbers. Here's hoping for perfect weather! Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 16:51:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04315; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28076; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20221 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt.erols.com (207-172-35-14.s14.tnt9.brd.erols.com [207.172.35.14]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25581 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804082050.QAA25581@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: Subject: Sat. Summit Pt. Ride Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:48:55 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I propose we leave from the Silver Diner parking lot in front of Springfield Mall no later than 10:30 a.m. on Saturday morning. Anyone have a suggested route? Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 17:09:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04776; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28337; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21097 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:08:36 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA02414 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:09:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199804082109.AA02414@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:09:13 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:09:13 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:09:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:07:44 -0400 Subject: ..and to add to not using a cell phone... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199804082050.QAA25581@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME *** French driver saves virtual pet, kills cyclist A French driver killed a cyclist and injured another after she took her eye off the road trying to save her Tamagotchi virtual pet, police said Wednesday. The 27-year-old woman became distracted when the electronic pet, which was attached to her car key ring, started to send out distress signals. She asked a companion in her car to attend to the Tamagotchi but in the confusion she failed to notice a group of cyclists on the road ahead and slammed into the back of them. One died instantly and another was taken to hospital. Police said the woman was arrested after Sunday's accident near the southern city of Marseille. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2553662625-86e From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 20:50:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08308; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29848; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.gatewayone.com (known ns1.gatewayone.com [207.226.171.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26963 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gatewayone (dial228.gatewayone.com [207.226.171.228]) by ns1.gatewayone.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA10652 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:47:31 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980408204726.006cb0b0@gatewayone.com> X-Sender: poppo@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 20:47:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: poppo@XXXXXX (Ralph Young) Subject: Re: Summit Pt In-Reply-To: <199804082300.TAA29239@tove.cs.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'll be there Saturday and Suday cornerworking. Been receiving the digest form of the list for a while but have not participated in discussions yet. Ralph Young Alexandria '84FJ1100 '75CB550 > >Todd Peer wrote: > >> I plan to >> cornerwork this Saturday and possibly Sunday as well. Anyone else >> doing any corner work this weekend? >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 21:56:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08866; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00197; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28017 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p197.smart.net [206.97.127.197]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA03361; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:54:08 -0400 Message-ID: <352C2948.FDB8A266@smart.net> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 21:50:01 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Roy D. Turner" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sat. Summit Pt. Ride References: <199804082050.QAA25581@smtp1.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please give directions to Silver Diner from 495. As far as the route is concerned, it all depends on how fast we want to get there. Roy D. Turner wrote: > I propose we leave from the Silver Diner parking lot in front of > Springfield Mall no later than 10:30 a.m. on Saturday morning. Anyone have > a suggested route? Roy D. Turner, Esq. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX 94' ZX-11 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 8 23:03:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09591; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00488; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (known darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29140 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galileo.cris.com (galileo.concentric.net [206.173.119.84]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/01/20 5.9)) id XAA14141; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:02:17 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by galileo.cris.com (8.8.5) id XAA08124; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:02:16 -0400 (EDT) From: BRIANPM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Summit point Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII copied from OTHER non-functioning server.. Ok, if you don't know there are races at Summit Point by now, you must not be reading your e-mails... Here's the scoop (according to Brian): Races, Summit Point WV. April 11-12 Gates open about 6pm Friday (I'll be there) Admission is $20 at the gate, $18 in advance (Call Fast Lane Cycles for info) That's for the full weekend, camping included (LOTS of fun) Cornerworking will find you in the best company of the track (well, untill Collin and I are full-fledged racers ;) - It'll also get you in the gate free (reinbursment), free hot meals - and the 2nd best seat on the track. I'll be there, cornerworking both days.. camping Friday and Sat. nights.. Look for my truck (UGLY truck.. you all should know it) - race hawk should be in or near it - I usualy camp at the VERY end of pit lane - when coming across the bridge, it's the 2nd right on pavement.. follow it till it forks right and left (T intersection) - And I should be right there.. behind a tree.. Blue tent - I'll have sodas, hot dogs and smores there for anyone that wants to stop by.. actually, there'll probably be some beer too, come to think of it.. Stop by, I'll put things in the truck if you want them locked... but, make sure to find me before 7am, arround noon, or after 6is (races are done) - otherwise I'll be out on a corner.. Hope to see ya there.. someone.. (other than collin.. who better damn well be there to walk the track with me to learn the damn thing) Brian P.McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 85 XT250 (street/dirt) brianpm@XXXXXX & bmccoy@XXXXXX - personal www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 00:18:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11027; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01535; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (known m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00777 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA02102 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:09:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: Re: Sat. Summit Pt. Ride In-Reply-To: <352C2948.FDB8A266@smart.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Roy D. Turner wrote: > > > I propose we leave from the Silver Diner parking lot in front of > > Springfield Mall no later than 10:30 a.m. on Saturday morning. Anyone have > > a suggested route? Roy D. Turner, Esq. I can recomend Rt 9 north off of Rt7, just west/north of Leesburg... runs right into CharlesTown.. good 1mile in there going through Hillendale... you'll smile as long as there's no traffic holding you up. Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 85 XT250 (street/dirt) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 00:38:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11205; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01631; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01005 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.39] (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Thu, 09 Apr 1998 00:36:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 00:38:46 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). I'm finding that the Rat wing is sucking up tons of available cash. Still too early to know if I'll have enough left come the end of may (should shelf the project for a while so that I can do the trip:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 01:10:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA11480; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA01853; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA01386 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p174.smart.net [206.97.127.174]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA08993; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:08:58 -0400 Message-ID: <352C56F0.73E935FE@smart.net> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 01:04:50 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Deal's Gap References: <19980408201040.NUCC18677@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd: Please post the URL to the DC-Cycles Deal's Gap page again. Every few days I like to see the progress of the group and my inbox file got deleted in my switchover to the newest version of Nestscape. Todd Peer wrote: > All > > Wow! That Deal's Gap trip is starting to shape up into something tangible. > Here's how the numbers break out: > > 23 people have shown an interest. > > 10 of us will be riding down on the extended tour. > 3 of us are riding a Saddle Sore down to meet the rest. > 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). > 2 of us in chase vehicles. > -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 02:39:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12154; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02784; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02382 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id CAA24950; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:46:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:46:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: aki.damme@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... In-Reply-To: <199804081417.AA08538@egate2.citicorp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > uh..I don't think so..using a phone is a *temporary* degradation of > driving ability, while being drunk (or drugged) cannot be "turned off". > One CAN'T be turned off; the other WON'T be. > Additionally, driving while under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs > can significantly reduce your *judgement* and *ability* to reason and > make intelligent decisions such as whether or not to make calls while driving? while talking on the phone reduces ones ability > to pay *full attention* to their surroundings..there's a difference. Which is....? If the results are similar, it's a distinction without a difference. > That's why the law will charge you with "failing to pay full attention" if > you have an accident while using the phone, but will rarely (if ever) charge > you with reckless. > > > It is my understanding that driving and using a cell phone is just as > > hazardous as driving while under the influence of drugs and alcohol. It > > was also stated that men are more at fault then women. I myself have > > used a phone while driving... and I have noticed that my driving is not > > as good as while using it. I'm trying to avoid using my phone while I'm > > driving... I don't wish to become a statistic.... > > > > My .02 > > -Tom --garcia "The Law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich, as well as the poor, from stealing bread, begging in the streets, and sleeping under bridges." Anatole France From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 08:26:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14164; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07245; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05896 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id AE51250146; Thu, 09 Apr 1998 08:25:53 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409082734.00ec6b90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 08:27:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Kicked my first car Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I suppose it's time to 'fess up. This is something I learned when hang gliding during college - my fellow pilots and I had an agreement that the biggest danger in hang gliding was the male ego. So when one of us screwed up, we'd talk about it to share information and to ensure we didn't get cocky. It was also a useful reminder about how quickly things can go bad, even when you think you've got things under control. So ... I kicked my first car. I had several stressors at both home and work, so my fuse was short. I realized this as I rode in, staying in the left lane more, and feeling more irritated at slow cars blocking the left lane and at HOV scofflaws. But I didn't do anything about my mood. Lesson no. 1 - When I notice that my mood is sour, scale everything back a notch. Immediately. Eastbound on Independence Ave (SW) just before the Tidal Basin, the left of three lanes ends and the road narrows to two lanes. I don't like how the car drivers bunch up there, so I stay in the far right lane. However, I have to be in the left lane after the bridge over the Tidal Basin, so I move over as soon as possible, once clear of the merge. On that day, I moved over before the merge because the traffic in front was moving well, and there were no cars anywhere near behind me. As the left lane next to me was ending, I noticed in my mirror a car approaching quickly in the left lane. I stayed in the left side of my lane and pulled up closer to the car in front of me to give plenty of room behind, and to discourage the driver from cutting in front of me. Lesson no. 2 - Once I've decided that a particular area is too dangerous, don't go back just because it looks okay. One reason I had decided it was dangerous is because bad things happen quickly. Many drivers are still in "fast mode" after coming in on I-66. The car driver pulled up alongside me, rear bumper about even with the back of my bike, and moved over to push me out of the lane. I was furious, I lost it, I kicked her car twice, and she moved back. I proceeded as I was, shaking my fist at her, and she pulled in behind me. Lesson no. 3 - After an altercation with a car driver, I don't want the car driver behind me. I want them in front of me, where I can see them easier and where it's harder for them to attack me. The only exception might be if I want to make a quick getaway, and can do so - but by then I was in no condition to split lanes or do any high-demand riding, and I knew it. When I stopped at the next light, the attacking driver was right behind me. I got off my bike and walked back. The car was a white American sedan, it looked like a GM, maybe an Oldsmobile. The driver was a middle-aged white lady with glasses and white hair. "What's your problem?" she sneered at me. I asked why she did that. She played dumb. I said you deliberately pulled beside me then tried to run me off the road She blamed me for being in her way when the lane ended. I said "You do that again lady, and you're going to get shot." Traffic was backing up now. I walked back to my bike and rode off. She turned off the road and was gone. When I thought I had chosen a reasonable path through this area, it turned out that this car driver could endanger me very quickly. Being in a lane next to a merge lane is a bad place to be because out-of-control car drivers can come up from behind and the situation can go to hell real quickly. I'm not proud of what I did, in fact, I think it was pretty stupid. It might sound heroic to get back at the car, but it can easily be the "last great act of defiance" as the car driver twitches the steering wheel and sends the bike and rider flying off the road. I tend to doubt the lady learned anything, though hopefully she'll think twice before trying to force a bike off the road again. Her actions were as close to assault as I think they can be, but I actually doubt she meant it that way. I think she's just a middle-aged white lady used to getting her way. it's a jungle out there, Chris Norloff P.S. Yes, Chris Meier, this is it. But I bet you already figured that out! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 08:46:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14297; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07471; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06134 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA29335 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:44:57 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:44:57 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:47:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 12 TEXT Chris (et.al.), When I spent some time in an exotic southeast Asian country at my Uncle's expense a few years ago, the Army types used to line the sides of their trucks with Claymores to discourage other people from getting too close. Wonder where I can find some now... Michael (USAF Ret.) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 08:50:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14342; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07527; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06237 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6394.2E782FA0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:47:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:47:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 74 TEXT All - Been looking over the plans == http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/brp/default.htm - Just a suggestion: I see that we are taking some scenic routes on the way down (3 days worth - and me in the cage with kids) - could we cut down that down to just Thursday and Friday and get there Friday? There's a lot of riding in the area of Deal's Gap that can be done from a central location. My concerns are with some of the newer riders who have only gone a 100-150 miles in a day won't able to come back 500 miles in one day on Memorial Day which is at the end of the trip and when everyone is most tired. I was thinking more of a 200 mile day on Thursday and another 300 or so on Friday. Newer riders should be able to push themselves to do that. So come Sunday, we could start heading back at the same pace except 300 miles on Sunday and 200 on Monday. Don't want anyone getting hurt or make stupid mistakes from being tired. That leaves Saturday rather than Sunday to do the Deal's Gap thang or any other riding. Will have to do some camp re-arranging but hopefully that shouldn't be too much of a chore? I can help with that. Let me know what you all think. Tracy PS - don't know how long the plan has been there so I'm sorry for not sending this suggestion sooner - lost the URL and had to go through Louis's DC Cycles page (http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dc-rides.htm) to find it after sorting though all the e-mail junk I do keep just to find Louis's page. ---------- From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 4:08 PM To: dc-cycles Subject: Deal's Gap All Wow! That Deal's Gap trip is starting to shape up into something tangible. Here's how the numbers break out: 23 people have shown an interest. 10 of us will be riding down on the extended tour. 3 of us are riding a Saddle Sore down to meet the rest. 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). 2 of us in chase vehicles. This is a pretty good showing so far folks. I think we may be considering something less than an ALL group ride as the departure date approaches. Large numbers of motorcycles on the BRP is workable, but there will undoubtadly be some scene or another some will want to stop at and others will want to continue past. The PLAN will be updated with suggestions on how to cope with larger numbers. Here's hoping for perfect weather! Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 08:58:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14378; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07625; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06339 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:57:20 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:55:56 -0500 Received: from WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL [160.151.107.198] by dclink.com with smtp id AIDHCNCJ ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:55:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Kicked my first car Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:02:13 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd63b7$b6c87f40$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Chris, I think it's a kind of entertaining story, but scary. You may want to take down the tag number and report people like that in the future. While I probably would have done the same thing, it makes motorcyclists look bad as a group. (Flamers, please do not attack! Like I said, I think the kicking was damn well justified, but people have a negative image of bikers and all they saw was a biker being greedy and kicking that poor old lady's car.) She's lucky that you were as nice as you were.... too bad she's probably another ignorant SOB that will never admit fault! Damn I hate people! Later, Jay -----Original Message----- >From: cnorloff@XXXXXX To: Jaynik Date: Thursday, April 09, 1998 9:39 AM Subject: Kicked my first car > >I suppose it's time to 'fess up. This is something I learned when hang >gliding during college - my fellow pilots and I had an agreement that the >biggest danger in hang gliding was the male ego. So when one of us screwed >up, we'd talk about it to share information and to ensure we didn't get >cocky. It was also a useful reminder about how quickly things can go bad, >even when you think you've got things under control. > >So ... I kicked my first car. > >I had several stressors at both home and work, so my fuse was short. I >realized this as I rode in, staying in the left lane more, and feeling more >irritated at slow cars blocking the left lane and at HOV scofflaws. But I >didn't do anything about my mood. > >Lesson no. 1 - When I notice that my mood is sour, scale everything back a >notch. Immediately. > >Eastbound on Independence Ave (SW) just before the Tidal Basin, the left of >three lanes ends and the road narrows to two lanes. I don't like how the >car drivers bunch up there, so I stay in the far right lane. However, I >have to be in the left lane after the bridge over the Tidal Basin, so I >move over as soon as possible, once clear of the merge. > >On that day, I moved over before the merge because the traffic in front was >moving well, and there were no cars anywhere near behind me. As the left >lane next to me was ending, I noticed in my mirror a car approaching >quickly in the left lane. I stayed in the left side of my lane and pulled >up closer to the car in front of me to give plenty of room behind, and to >discourage the driver from cutting in front of me. > >Lesson no. 2 - Once I've decided that a particular area is too dangerous, >don't go back just because it looks okay. One reason I had decided it was >dangerous is because bad things happen quickly. Many drivers are still in >"fast mode" after coming in on I-66. > >The car driver pulled up alongside me, rear bumper about even with the back >of my bike, and moved over to push me out of the lane. I was furious, I >lost it, I kicked her car twice, and she moved back. I proceeded as I was, >shaking my fist at her, and she pulled in behind me. > >Lesson no. 3 - After an altercation with a car driver, I don't want the car >driver behind me. I want them in front of me, where I can see them easier >and where it's harder for them to attack me. The only exception might be >if I want to make a quick getaway, and can do so - but by then I was in no >condition to split lanes or do any high-demand riding, and I knew it. > >When I stopped at the next light, the attacking driver was right behind me. > I got off my bike and walked back. The car was a white American sedan, it >looked like a GM, maybe an Oldsmobile. The driver was a middle-aged white >lady with glasses and white hair. "What's your problem?" she sneered at >me. I asked why she did that. She played dumb. I said you deliberately >pulled beside me then tried to run me off the road She blamed me for being >in her way when the lane ended. I said "You do that again lady, and you're >going to get shot." Traffic was backing up now. I walked back to my bike >and rode off. She turned off the road and was gone. > > >When I thought I had chosen a reasonable path through this area, it turned >out that this car driver could endanger me very quickly. Being in a lane >next to a merge lane is a bad place to be because out-of-control car >drivers can come up from behind and the situation can go to hell real quickly. > >I'm not proud of what I did, in fact, I think it was pretty stupid. It >might sound heroic to get back at the car, but it can easily be the "last >great act of defiance" as the car driver twitches the steering wheel and >sends the bike and rider flying off the road. I tend to doubt the lady >learned anything, though hopefully she'll think twice before trying to >force a bike off the road again. Her actions were as close to assault as I >think they can be, but I actually doubt she meant it that way. I think >she's just a middle-aged white lady used to getting her way. > >it's a jungle out there, >Chris Norloff > > >P.S. Yes, Chris Meier, this is it. But I bet you already figured that out! > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 08:59:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14386; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07634; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06362 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6395.661BD960@XXXXXX>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:56:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:56:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 21 TEXT Sorry for not being military except in my attitude according to my husband, but what's a claymore? ---------- From: Jordan, Michael[SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 8:47 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Chris (et.al.), When I spent some time in an exotic southeast Asian country at my Uncle's expense a few years ago, the Army types used to line the sides of their trucks with Claymores to discourage other people from getting too close. Wonder where I can find some now... Michael (USAF Ret.) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 09:16:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14706; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07935; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06831 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A9E7160144; Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:15:19 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409091518.00edab50@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:15:18 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Kicked my first car In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:47 AM 4/9/98 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote: >Chris (et.al.), > >When I spent some time in an exotic southeast Asian country at my >Uncle's expense a few years ago, the Army types used to line the sides >of their trucks with Claymores to discourage other people from getting >too close. > >Wonder where I can find some now... I've thought of using ammo cans for saddlebags - they make dandy saddlebags, and are virtually indestructible. Plue they give the "combat" look to the bike. I suspect car drivers would not want to tangle with those metal corners. It does make lane-splitting a bit more dicey, though. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 09:16:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14705; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07937; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06834 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A9E8160144; Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:15:20 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409091637.00ed5b00@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:16:37 -0400 To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Kicked my first car In-Reply-To: <01bd63b7$b6c87f40$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:02 AM 4/9/98 -0400, Jay wrote: >I think it's a kind of entertaining story, but scary. You may want to take >down the tag number and report people like that in the future. While I >probably would have done the same thing, it makes motorcyclists look bad as >a group. (Flamers, please do not attack! Like I said, I think the kicking >was damn well justified, but people have a negative image of bikers and all >they saw was a biker being greedy and kicking that poor old lady's car.) Maybe. But they might have seen her try to push me off the road. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 09:29:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14907; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08078; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07283 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA13788; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352CCC87.538EAF5E@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:26:31 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Kicked my first car References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tracy, Claymores are a type of mine that the military (and militia men, I suppose he he) use.... They are fairly directional and quite potent. tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Sorry for not being military except in my attitude according to my husband, but what's a claymore? -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 09:31:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14932; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08099; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07314 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:29:58 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.76.144]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA28233; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:29:25 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980409092849.006ac568@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:28:49 -0500 To: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Kicked my first car Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980409082734.00ec6b90@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Chris-- I hope she didn't get your license number. A cop may be sympathetic to you re: kicking, but telling her she's gonna get shot may cause you some trouble. Not that I'd have wanted to do anything different at the time.... Later Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 09:49:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15133; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08493; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07683 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A195410144; Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:48:05 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409094907.00eb5100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:49:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Kicked my first car In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980409092849.006ac568@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> References: <3.0.1.32.19980409082734.00ec6b90@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:28 AM 4/9/98 -0500, klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: >I hope she didn't get your license number. A cop may be sympathetic to you >re: kicking, but telling her she's gonna get shot may cause you some >trouble. Not that I'd have wanted to do anything different at the time.... I worried about that, too. I decided that my response, if questionned, would be that it was a warning to her - that there are drivers who would shoot her for attacking them. I wouldn't, and I didn't exactly say I would (though that might get lost in repeating the story). I also decided that, if questionned, my kicking was to get her to back off, because she was pushing me into the other lane where I believed there was traffic. I didn't brake because I was worried about her snagging part of my bike as she moved past me and would pull me over onto my side. I didn't blow my horn because I was certain she knew I was there, having just pullled alongside me. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 10:01:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15362; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08710; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08075 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA16343; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:04:05 -0400 Message-ID: <352CD450.A97D5DF4@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:59:44 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kicked my first car References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Sorry for not being military except in my attitude according to my husband, but what's a claymore? It's a directional land-mine. I wouldn't want to ride in that truck. The back side of a claymore is damn near as dangerous as the front side. I do like the ammo can idea. They come in different sizes, so you could mount the little ones as warning when you don't need the big ones for cargo. OTOH, I haven't had a problem with cars trying to take my space for the last couple of years. Maybe its the paint job. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 10:09:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15542; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08831; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08301 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2PN7MRVF>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:08:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:10:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Mighty unlikely that an idiot like that wants the cops knowing her name and license plate number (which would happen if she reported you) ...probably driving on borrowed points anyway. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 9:49 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Kicked my first car > > At 09:28 AM 4/9/98 -0500, klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: > >I hope she didn't get your license number. A cop may be sympathetic to > you > >re: kicking, but telling her she's gonna get shot may cause you some > >trouble. Not that I'd have wanted to do anything different at the > time.... > > I worried about that, too. I decided that my response, if questionned, > would be that it was a warning to her - that there are drivers who would > shoot her for attacking them. I wouldn't, and I didn't exactly say I > would > (though that might get lost in repeating the story). > > I also decided that, if questionned, my kicking was to get her to back > off, > because she was pushing me into the other lane where I believed there was > traffic. I didn't brake because I was worried about her snagging part of > my bike as she moved past me and would pull me over onto my side. I > didn't > blow my horn because I was certain she knew I was there, having just > pullled alongside me. > > That's my story and I'm stickin' to it, > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 10:13:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15594; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08894; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08385 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA24332 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:11:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA09198 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:11:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980409141147.UHCI18677@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:11:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Deal's Gap X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980409141147.UHCI18677@[166.41.242.141]> http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/brp/default.htm Tom Gimer wrote: >Todd: >Please post the URL to the DC-Cycles Deal's Gap page again. Every few days I >like to see the progress of the group and my inbox file got deleted in my >switchover to the newest version of Nestscape. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 10:30:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15796; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09081; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08814 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt.erols.com (207-172-60-49.s49.tnt7.brd.erols.com [207.172.60.49]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04349; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804091429.KAA04349@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "Thomas H. Gimer" Cc: Subject: Re: Sat. Summit Pt. Ride Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:27:28 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From the Capital Beltway take the Route 95 South exit towards Richmond. Then take the first exit onto Franconia Road (East). Go through the first light. The Silver Diner will be on the right hand side in front of Springfield Mall. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: Thomas H. Gimer > To: Roy D. Turner > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sat. Summit Pt. Ride > Date: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:50 PM > > Please give directions to Silver Diner from 495. As far as the route is > concerned, it all depends on how fast we want to get there. > > Roy D. Turner wrote: > > > I propose we leave from the Silver Diner parking lot in front of > > Springfield Mall no later than 10:30 a.m. on Saturday morning. Anyone have > > a suggested route? Roy D. Turner, Esq. > > > > -- > Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX > 94' ZX-11 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 10:43:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16026; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09299; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09173 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA12898 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA12050 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980409144146.UUNN18677@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:41:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kicked my first car X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980409144146.UUNN18677@[166.41.242.141]> Hey Chris, Thanks for taking the time to get it off your chest. I completely understand how you felt as I've been in the same situation a couple of times. Once, a woman in a minivan tapped me from the rear. She wasn't paying attention. My fist came down hard on her hood and she looked at me and mouthed "sorry". Another time some nit cut me to the quick on columbia pike from left to right. I was in that 'mood' you describe and decided to do something. At about 40mph, I had my boot up and 'wham' off came the sideview mirror. At that point I took off and never got the reaction. I just felt stupid. Just recently while rolling up to the cornerworker school, a truck driver hauling lawnmowers moved right to left into my lane, squeezing me out the back between him and his buddy on my left (another truck/lmower). I was so pissed, I moved to his right side and up to the mirror, slapping it as I passed, with an f-u salute to boot. This time I didn't feel stupid, I was mad and I probably should have shut down for a couple minutes. Road Rage I think is what it's called these days. Todd Chris Norloff wrote: >So ... I kicked my first car. >The car driver pulled up alongside me, rear bumper about even with the back >of my bike, and moved over to push me out of the lane. I was furious, I >lost it, I kicked her car twice, and she moved back. I proceeded as I was, >shaking my fist at her, and she pulled in behind me. >it's a jungle out there, Oh yeah! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 10:54:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16382; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09753; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09744 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:52:57 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:51:32 -0500 Received: from WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL [160.151.107.198] by dclink.com with smtp id AKDDAHFE ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:51:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: "EXUP Brotherhood" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Baltimore Cycles List" Cc: "Davin" , "Jon Schumer" Subject: James Kidwell's "The Pace" Page Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:57:25 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd63c7$cf2397e0$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD63A6.4811F7E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD63A6.4811F7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know if I've sent this out already, but this is an excellent technique for group rides. Just FYI stuff. I thought it was cool. Jay http://www.nku.edu/~kidwell/hobby/pace.html ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD63A6.4811F7E0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="James Kidwell's The Pace Page.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="James Kidwell's The Pace Page.url" [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.nku.edu/~kidwell/hobby/pace.html Modified=C08C9079C763BD013D ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD63A6.4811F7E0-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 10:59:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16458; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09955; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itm07.itmassociates.com (known [207.154.22.7] [207.154.22.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09990 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itm04.itmassociates.com ([207.154.22.4]) by itm07.itmassociates.com (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 852565E1.00524330; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:58:31 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980409145729.00991bec@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: us004937@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:57:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Space Subject: RE: Deal's Gap How far is the total trip to get to Deal's Gap in miles? Is it closer to 500 or 750? From what I can tell on the web page, it reads like its 750 or so. Maps On Us.com computes out to about 560 or so. Being a beginner, I kind of agree on the philosophy below. I am still working my way up to 50 or so miles in a day around town and back roads. I'm just a wuss. I think it may also be the fact that Brian had setup the front end of his bike perfectly for his weight, of which I weigh 80+ less pounds. So right now you could say it rides a little firm and my wrists are usually sore the next day. Maybe in two weeks I will jump up onto the fence and consider going but not just yet. If my rebuild holds together and I get those front fork preloads out, I will strongly consider going. Later Rob Space 86 VF500 At 08:47 AM 4/9/98 -0400, you wrote: >All - > >Been looking over the plans == > http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/brp/default.htm > >- Just a suggestion: > >I see that we are taking some scenic routes on the way down (3 days worth - >and me in the cage with kids) - could we cut down that down to just >Thursday and Friday and get there Friday? There's a lot of riding in the >area of Deal's Gap that can be done from a central location. > >My concerns are with some of the newer riders who have only gone a 100-150 >miles in a day won't able to come back 500 miles in one day on Memorial Day >which is at the end of the trip and when everyone is most tired. I was >thinking more of a 200 mile day on Thursday and another 300 or so on >Friday. Newer riders should be able to push themselves to do that. So >come Sunday, we could start heading back at the same pace except 300 miles >on Sunday and 200 on Monday. Don't want anyone getting hurt or make stupid >mistakes from being tired. > >That leaves Saturday rather than Sunday to do the Deal's Gap thang or any >other riding. Will have to do some camp re-arranging but hopefully that >shouldn't be too much of a chore? I can help with that. > >Let me know what you all think. > >Tracy > >PS - don't know how long the plan has been there so I'm sorry for not >sending this suggestion sooner - lost the URL and had to go through Louis's >DC Cycles page (http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dc-rides.htm) to find it >after sorting though all the e-mail junk I do keep just to find Louis's >page. > > >---------- >From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 4:08 PM >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Deal's Gap > >All > >Wow! That Deal's Gap trip is starting to shape up into something >tangible. >Here's how the numbers break out: > >23 people have shown an interest. > >10 of us will be riding down on the extended tour. > 3 of us are riding a Saddle Sore down to meet the rest. > 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). > 2 of us in chase vehicles. > >This is a pretty good showing so far folks. I think we may be considering >something less than an ALL group ride as the departure date approaches. >Large numbers of motorcycles on the BRP is workable, but there will >undoubtadly be some scene or another some will want to stop at and >others will want to continue past. The PLAN will be updated with >suggestions >on how to cope with larger numbers. > >Here's hoping for perfect weather! > >Todd >+-----------------------------+---------------+ >| '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | >| '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | >| '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | >+-----------------------------+---------------+ > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 11:00:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16484; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09990; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10030 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA2836 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:51:45 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:58:12 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:59:06 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Kicked my first car -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Have to admit, as long as we're confessing, that I once smacked the passenger side window with the palm of my studded roadrace glove in a similar situation. Must've made a helluva noise . . . Joe Nagy >>> Chris Norloff - 4/9/98 8:27 AM >>> I suppose it's time to 'fess up. This is something I learned when hang gliding during college - my fellow pilots and I had an agreement that the biggest danger in hang gliding was the male ego. So when one of us screwed up, we'd talk about it to share information and to ensure we didn't get cocky. It was also a useful reminder about how quickly things can go bad, even when you think you've got things under control. So ... I kicked my first car. I had several stressors at both home and work, so my fuse was short. I realized this as I rode in, staying in the left lane more, and feeling more irritated at slow cars blocking the left lane and at HOV scofflaws. But I didn't do anything about my mood. Lesson no. 1 - When I notice that my mood is sour, scale everything back a notch. Immediately. Eastbound on Independence Ave (SW) just before the Tidal Basin, the left of three lanes ends and the road narrows to two lanes. I don't like how the car drivers bunch up there, so I stay in the far right lane. However, I have to be in the left lane after the bridge over the Tidal Basin, so I move over as soon as possible, once clear of the merge. On that day, I moved over before the merge because the traffic in front was moving well, and there were no cars anywhere near behind me. As the left lane next to me was ending, I noticed in my mirror a car approaching quickly in the left lane. I stayed in the left side of my lane and pulled up closer to the car in front of me to give plenty of room behind, and to discourage the driver from cutting in front of me. Lesson no. 2 - Once I've decided that a particular area is too dangerous, don't go back just because it looks okay. One reason I had decided it was dangerous is because bad things happen quickly. Many drivers are still in "fast mode" after coming in on I-66. The car driver pulled up alongside me, rear bumper about even with the back of my bike, and moved over to push me out of the lane. I was furious, I lost it, I kicked her car twice, and she moved back. I proceeded as I was, shaking my fist at her, and she pulled in behind me. Lesson no. 3 - After an altercation with a car driver, I don't want the car driver behind me. I want them in front of me, where I can see them easier and where it's harder for them to attack me. The only exception might be if I want to make a quick getaway, and can do so - but by then I was in no condition to split lanes or do any high-demand riding, and I knew it. When I stopped at the next light, the attacking driver was right behind me. I got off my bike and walked back. The car was a white American sedan, it looked like a GM, maybe an Oldsmobile. The driver was a middle-aged white lady with glasses and white hair. "What's your problem?" she sneered at me. I asked why she did that. She played dumb. I said you deliberately pulled beside me then tried to run me off the road She blamed me for being in her way when the lane ended. I said "You do that again lady, and you're going to get shot." Traffic was backing up now. I walked back to my bike and rode off. She turned off the road and was gone. When I thought I had chosen a reasonable path through this area, it turned out that this car driver could endanger me very quickly. Being in a lane next to a merge lane is a bad place to be because out-of-control car drivers can come up from behind and the situation can go to hell real quickly. I'm not proud of what I did, in fact, I think it was pretty stupid. It might sound heroic to get back at the car, but it can easily be the "last great act of defiance" as the car driver twitches the steering wheel and sends the bike and rider flying off the road. I tend to doubt the lady learned anything, though hopefully she'll think twice before trying to force a bike off the road again. Her actions were as close to assault as I think they can be, but I actually doubt she meant it that way. I think she's just a middle-aged white lady used to getting her way. it's a jungle out there, Chris Norloff P.S. Yes, Chris Meier, this is it. But I bet you already figured that out! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 11:02:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16518; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10121; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10113 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA12152 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:02:13 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:02:13 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:04:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 14 TEXT >I was mad and I probably should have shut down for a couple >minutes. >Road Rage I think is what it's called these days. Todd, OTOH - it's a normal reaction to someone who has just tried to kill you. I don't think that I'd mind it so much if the attempt was driven by personal reasons, but I find the thought of being killed just because some a*****e wasn't paying attention somewhat annoying. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 11:06:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16598; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10229; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29358 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A3BB9F0146; Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:05:31 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409110706.00f177d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:07:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Kicked my first car In-Reply-To: <19980409144146.UUNN18677@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:37 AM 4/9/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > Thanks for taking the time to get it off your chest. I completely >understand how you felt as I've been in the same situation a couple >of times. ... >I was so pissed, I moved to his right side and up to the mirror, slapping >it as I passed, with an f-u salute to boot. This time I didn't feel >stupid, I was mad and I probably should have shut down for a couple >minutes. > > Road Rage I think is what it's called these days. Sure is, and it's not always on the part of the pissed-off person. I think the Rage is also part of the driver who deliberately cuts people off, etc. One of the problems is our lack of ability to control the situation. Cagers just push us and we have to give. However, I've been wondering about more effective responses - 1. Even louder horns. Not just your basic loud aftermarket horns, but BF Trucker horns or locomotive horns. I know you can get physically impractical here, but something loud enough to cause a heart attack would be nice. 2. Tires screeching. Years ago, a pedestrian ran out in front of me while looking to the right (not very smart, eh?). I had plenty of room to react, so I decided to just lock the rear wheel - the look on his face as he heard the screeching tire was precious, absolutely precious. So I wonder if a feasible response is to hit the horns and lock the rear wheel (after pulling in the clutch, of course). The combination of horns and screeching tire sends an unequivocal message. Disclaimer - of course, this is supposing that you are out of the way. The smart thing to do is get out of the way immediately. These ideas are just to find a way to get a cager to drive responsibly. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 11:08:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16615; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10258; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10287 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 312; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:06:43 -0400 Message-ID: <352CE44C.E7E20FFA@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:07:56 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Kicked my first car References: <3.0.1.32.19980409082734.00ec6b90@mail.toward.com> <3.0.1.32.19980409094907.00eb5100@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > That's my story and I'm stickin' to it, > Chris Norloff Sorry you had such a crappy commute. I hate people sometimes. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 11:25:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16859; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10712; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10757 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA24675; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:21:25 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E588@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:22:30 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain You're right, road rage (when I've had it directed at me) usually always comes from the person in the WRONG, that's weird, isn't it!!?? Just like that old lady today!! I had some guy chase my off an off-ramp because he cut ME off!! Well, he backed off when I pulled out my handy-dandy big ice scraper & started shaking it at him in the rear view. Those are the times I'm glad I don't own a gun. My red-headed temper would put me in jail for sure. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 11:07 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Kicked my first car > > > Sure is, and it's not always on the part of the pissed-off person. I > think > the Rage is also part of the driver who deliberately cuts people off, > etc. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 11:36:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17047; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11407; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11038 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id AA6E9E0140; Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:34:06 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409113447.00f09b60@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:34:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Kicked my first car In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E588@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:22 AM 4/9/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >You're right, road rage (when I've had it directed at me) usually always >comes from the person in the WRONG, that's weird, isn't it!!?? Just >like that old lady today!! >I had some guy chase my off an off-ramp because he cut ME off!! Well, >he backed off when I pulled out my handy-dandy big ice scraper & started >shaking it at him in the rear view. Those are the times I'm glad I >don't own a gun. My red-headed temper would put me in jail for sure. I've heard of cases when women in cars were threatened that just holding up a cell phone was enough to get the guy to back off. You could probably even use a toy phone. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 11:44:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17199; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11702; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11261 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA17555; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA04802; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:41:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980409154150.SHIN500@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:41:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX CC: Subject: RE: Deal's Gap X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980409154150.SHIN500@[166.41.242.141]> Everyone going to Deal's Gap, Tracy is bringing up a concern I also share. New to longer distance riders might find it a little intimidating to run 500 miles in one day. And if the wx turns bad, that just makes it worse. However, the BRP is chock full of excellent scenary that a lot of us haven't seen yet. I don't think people should be rushed and end up missing some nice stuff. Delormes Map-n-go calculates 673 miles from Springfield Mall, down i95 across through Charlottesville and getting on the BRP in Waynesboro. >From there, just stay on the BRP to Cherokee, to Bryson City, to 28 and Fontana Village. A 190 mile afternoon from Springfield to just above Roanoke is about 4.5 hours. That'd put us at a camping area around 7:30 to 8:30 considering rest and gas stops (don't forget dinner!). That still leaves us 483 very scenic miles to cover to reach Fontana Village (couple miles from Deal's Gap). Calculated at 45mph, that's 10.7hours of riding with NO stops! I just don't think we can make it down there on Friday. However, we could ride as far as possible on Friday which should still put us at Fontana Village sometime around noon on Saturday. Here is a suggestion. Let's talk this over in detail at the Spring Fling. New riders should absolutely show up with concerns. Todd Robert Space Wrote: >How far is the total trip to get to Deal's Gap in miles? Is it closer to >500 or 750? From what I can tell on the web page, it reads like its 750 or >so. Maps On Us.com computes out to about 560 or so. Tracy Horstman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Been looking over the plans == http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/brp/default.htm - Just a suggestion: I see that we are taking some scenic routes on the way down (3 days worth - and me in the cage with kids) - could we cut down that down to just Thursday and Friday and get there Friday? There's a lot of riding in the area of Deal's Gap that can be done from a central location. My concerns are with some of the newer riders who have only gone a 100-150 miles in a day won't able to come back 500 miles in one day on Memorial Day which is at the end of the trip and when everyone is most tired. I was thinking more of a 200 mile day on Thursday and another 300 or so on Friday. Newer riders should be able to push themselves to do that. So come Sunday, we could start heading back at the same pace except 300 miles on Sunday and 200 on Monday. Don't want anyone getting hurt or make stupid mistakes from being tired. That leaves Saturday rather than Sunday to do the Deal's Gap thang or any other riding. Will have to do some camp re-arranging but hopefully that shouldn't be too much of a chore? I can help with that. Let me know what you all think. Tracy PS - don't know how long the plan has been there so I'm sorry for not sending this suggestion sooner - lost the URL and had to go through Louis's DC Cycles page (http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dc-rides.htm) to find it after sorting though all the e-mail junk I do keep just to find Louis's page. ---------- From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 4:08 PM To: dc-cycles Subject: Deal's Gap All Wow! That Deal's Gap trip is starting to shape up into something tangible. Here's how the numbers break out: 23 people have shown an interest. 10 of us will be riding down on the extended tour. 3 of us are riding a Saddle Sore down to meet the rest. 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). 2 of us in chase vehicles. This is a pretty good showing so far folks. I think we may be considering something less than an ALL group ride as the departure date approaches. Large numbers of motorcycles on the BRP is workable, but there will undoubtadly be some scene or another some will want to stop at and others will want to continue past. The PLAN will be updated with suggestions on how to cope with larger numbers. Here's hoping for perfect weather! Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 12:32:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18165; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14218; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13416 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2RAQ9ZMZ>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:06:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Robert Space , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Weld . . . BOOM! Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:06:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I didn't cut mine in half. I went right out to OX road to the recycling center and throw it in with the metals or where people dispose of their appliances. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Sorry to add to it but ... I have a gas tank I need to dispose of properly > so I called the number they give you on the Vienna Town Flyer and the lady > on the phone told me to take it to the Fairfax dump BUT it had to be cut in > half. I have a Sawz-all, but I'll bet that there's a pretty good chance > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 12:32:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18217; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14223; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13428 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2S6RH355>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:30:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:30:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I wouldn't worry about it at all. It her word against yours. Let here try and prove that you said she would get shot. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > At 09:28 AM 4/9/98 -0500, klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: > >I hope she didn't get your license number. A cop may be sympathetic to you > >re: kicking, but telling her she's gonna get shot may cause you some > >trouble. Not that I'd have wanted to do anything different at the time.... > > I worried about that, too. I decided that my response, if questionned, > would be that it was a warning to her - that there are drivers who would > shoot her for attacking them. I wouldn't, and I didn't exactly say I would > (though that might get lost in repeating the story). > > I also decided that, if questionned, my kicking was to get her to back off, > because she was pushing me into the other lane where I believed there was > traffic. I didn't brake because I was worried about her snagging part of > my bike as she moved past me and would pull me over onto my side. I didn't > blow my horn because I was certain she knew I was there, having just > pullled alongside me. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 12:56:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18838; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14826; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known welchlink.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14625 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (pool-207-205-218-239_pitb.grid.net [207.205.218.239] (may be forged)) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA22009; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409125629.0069f808@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 12:56:29 -0400 To: Todd Peer From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Cc: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX, In-Reply-To: <19980409154150.SHIN500@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:37 AM 4/9/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >Everyone going to Deal's Gap, >Delormes Map-n-go calculates 673 miles from Springfield Mall, down >i95 across through Charlottesville and getting on the BRP in Waynesboro. >From there, just stay on the BRP to Cherokee, to Bryson City, to 28 >and Fontana Village.all the e-mail junk I do keep just to find Louis's >page. FYI, many sections of the BRP are still (!!!) closed and may not reopen for some time. Before you go, check http://www.nps.gov/blri/ and call (704) 298-0398 for info so you can plan a reasonable route mixing the BRP and other roads. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 13:05:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18993; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15188; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14958 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 238 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:02:57 -0400 Message-ID: <352CFF89.9C04D84A@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 13:04:09 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Confessions of angry bikers? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JOE NAGY wrote: > > Have to admit, as long as we're confessing, that I once smacked the > passenger side window with the palm of my studded roadrace glove in a > similar situation. Must've made a helluva noise . . . I once stuck out my tongue at an idiot cager who really yanked my chain, but I didn't get a reaction. And I found out the inside of my full face helmet doesn't taste very good, either! :-) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 13:28:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19438; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16071; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15872 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A4E77700DC; Thu, 09 Apr 1998 13:27:03 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409132816.00f28630@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 13:28:16 -0400 To: "horkster" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Confessions of angry bikers? In-Reply-To: <352CFF89.9C04D84A@tidalwave.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:04 PM 4/9/98 -0400, horkster wrote: >JOE NAGY wrote: >> >> Have to admit, as long as we're confessing, that I once smacked the >> passenger side window with the palm of my studded roadrace glove in a >> similar situation. Must've made a helluva noise . . . > >I once stuck out my tongue at an idiot cager who really yanked >my chain, but I didn't get a reaction. And I found out the >inside of my full face helmet doesn't taste very good, either! :-) I find that giving people the finger, while you're wearing mittens, has some similarities to that. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 13:36:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19655; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16504; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16320 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD63BC.038792E0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:33:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:32:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 122 TEXT You got it! The computer's handy - in the rec room where there's plenty of space to crowd around it need be. Tracy ---------- From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 11:37 AM To: Horstman, Tracy L @ Manassas Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Everyone going to Deal's Gap, Tracy is bringing up a concern I also share. New to longer distance riders might find it a little intimidating to run 500 miles in one day. And if the wx turns bad, that just makes it worse. However, the BRP is chock full of excellent scenary that a lot of us haven't seen yet. I don't think people should be rushed and end up missing some nice stuff. Delormes Map-n-go calculates 673 miles from Springfield Mall, down i95 across through Charlottesville and getting on the BRP in Waynesboro. >From there, just stay on the BRP to Cherokee, to Bryson City, to 28 and Fontana Village. A 190 mile afternoon from Springfield to just above Roanoke is about 4.5 hours. That'd put us at a camping area around 7:30 to 8:30 considering rest and gas stops (don't forget dinner!). That still leaves us 483 very scenic miles to cover to reach Fontana Village (couple miles from Deal's Gap). Calculated at 45mph, that's 10.7hours of riding with NO stops! I just don't think we can make it down there on Friday. However, we could ride as far as possible on Friday which should still put us at Fontana Village sometime around noon on Saturday. Here is a suggestion. Let's talk this over in detail at the Spring Fling. New riders should absolutely show up with concerns. Todd Robert Space Wrote: >How far is the total trip to get to Deal's Gap in miles? Is it closer to >500 or 750? From what I can tell on the web page, it reads like its 750 or >so. Maps On Us.com computes out to about 560 or so. Tracy Horstman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Been looking over the plans == http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/brp/default.htm - Just a suggestion: I see that we are taking some scenic routes on the way down (3 days worth - and me in the cage with kids) - could we cut down that down to just Thursday and Friday and get there Friday? There's a lot of riding in the area of Deal's Gap that can be done from a central location. My concerns are with some of the newer riders who have only gone a 100-150 miles in a day won't able to come back 500 miles in one day on Memorial Day which is at the end of the trip and when everyone is most tired. I was thinking more of a 200 mile day on Thursday and another 300 or so on Friday. Newer riders should be able to push themselves to do that. So come Sunday, we could start heading back at the same pace except 300 miles on Sunday and 200 on Monday. Don't want anyone getting hurt or make stupid mistakes from being tired. That leaves Saturday rather than Sunday to do the Deal's Gap thang or any other riding. Will have to do some camp re-arranging but hopefully that shouldn't be too much of a chore? I can help with that. Let me know what you all think. Tracy PS - don't know how long the plan has been there so I'm sorry for not sending this suggestion sooner - lost the URL and had to go through Louis's DC Cycles page (http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dc-rides.htm) to find it after sorting though all the e-mail junk I do keep just to find Louis's page. ---------- From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 4:08 PM To: dc-cycles Subject: Deal's Gap All Wow! That Deal's Gap trip is starting to shape up into something tangible. Here's how the numbers break out: 23 people have shown an interest. 10 of us will be riding down on the extended tour. 3 of us are riding a Saddle Sore down to meet the rest. 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). 2 of us in chase vehicles. This is a pretty good showing so far folks. I think we may be considering something less than an ALL group ride as the departure date approaches. Large numbers of motorcycles on the BRP is workable, but there will undoubtadly be some scene or another some will want to stop at and others will want to continue past. The PLAN will be updated with suggestions on how to cope with larger numbers. Here's hoping for perfect weather! Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 13:44:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19849; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17327; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16862 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1AJEa11819 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:41:52 -0500 (EDT) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <62104189.352d0861@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:41:52 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Confessions of angry bikers? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 4/9/98 1:41:23 PM, cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: << Have to admit, as long as we're confessing, that I once smacked the >> passenger side window with the palm of my studded roadrace glove in a >> similar situation. Must've made a helluva noise . . . > >I once stuck out my tongue at an idiot cager who really yanked >my chain, but I didn't get a reaction. And I found out the >inside of my full face helmet doesn't taste very good, either! :-) I find that giving people the finger, while you're wearing mittens, has some similarities to that.>> and I've found that giving the evil eye is not the most satisfying form of revenge...... :D ..... no matter how intensely you give it Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 13:54:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20003; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17550; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17306 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD63BE.89622A90@XXXXXX>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:51:03 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Confessions of angry bikers? Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:51:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 17 TEXT >>I once stuck out my tongue at an idiot cager who really yanked >>my chain, but I didn't get a reaction. And I found out the >>inside of my full face helmet doesn't taste very good, either! :-) ----------------------- Have to admit I have smacked the side of a mommy van with my foot. Won't ever do that again. Think it scared me more than it did her. As for road rage. I just relax, take it easy...I make a point of being nice to someone (be I on bike or in cage) - just maybe it'll rub off and then they will do the same for someone else. You know what they say - smile, it's contagious. Tracy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 14:01:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20113; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17761; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17583 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2S6RHSVK>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:01:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Todd Peer , tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:02:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Its at least 1/2 hour faster to take US 29 to Charlottesville instead of I-95 to I-64. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Delormes Map-n-go calculates 673 miles from Springfield Mall, down > i95 across through Charlottesville and getting on the BRP in Waynesboro. > From there, just stay on the BRP to Cherokee, to Bryson City, to 28 > and Fontana Village. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 14:03:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20142; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17814; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17636 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id OAA17454; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:59:50 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D59E594@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Jinn Sinn'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Confessions of angry bikers? Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:00:56 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yes, I'm not even sure if cagers understand my "talk to the hand" gesture. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Jinn Sinn [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 1:42 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: Confessions of angry bikers? > > > In a message dated 4/9/98 1:41:23 PM, cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: > > << Have to admit, as long as we're confessing, that I once smacked the > >> passenger side window with the palm of my studded roadrace glove in > a > >> similar situation. Must've made a helluva noise . . . > > > >I once stuck out my tongue at an idiot cager who really yanked > >my chain, but I didn't get a reaction. And I found out the > >inside of my full face helmet doesn't taste very good, either! :-) > > > I find that giving people the finger, while you're wearing mittens, > has > some similarities to that.>> > > and I've found that giving the evil eye is not the most satisfying > form of > revenge...... :D ..... no matter how intensely you give it > > Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 14:07:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20242; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18057; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17847 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12603 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:06:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10751 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804091806.OAA10751@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Confessions of angry bikers? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:06:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text At 01:04 PM 4/9/98 -0400, horkster wrote: >JOE NAGY wrote: >> >> Have to admit, as long as we're confessing, that I once smacked the >> passenger side window with the palm of my studded roadrace glove in a >> similar situation. Must've made a helluva noise . . . > >I once stuck out my tongue at an idiot cager who really yanked >my chain, but I didn't get a reaction. And I found out the >inside of my full face helmet doesn't taste very good, either! :-) You mean not everyone coats the inside of their helmet with peppermints, lollipops, or some other hard candy? ;-) Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | Entrant #19, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 14:20:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20406; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18434; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (known sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18246 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA06164 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xcgca007.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.78]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA20198 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGCA007 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <2LQQ2ZH4>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:58:13 -0700 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183B8E@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX, "'Todd Peer'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:56:53 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 11:37 AM > To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Deal's Gap --snip-- > Tracy is bringing up a concern I also share. New to longer distance > riders might find it a little intimidating to run 500 miles in one > day. > And if the wx turns bad, that just makes it worse. > --snip-- > Here is a suggestion. Let's talk this over in detail at the Spring > Fling. New riders should absolutely show up with concerns. > --snip-- > 23 people have shown an interest. > > 10 of us will be riding down on the extended tour. > 3 of us are riding a Saddle Sore down to meet the rest. > 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). > 2 of us in chase vehicles. > > This is a pretty good showing so far folks. I think we may be > considering > something less than an ALL group ride as the departure date > approaches. > Large numbers of motorcycles on the BRP is workable, but there will > undoubtadly be some scene or another some will want to stop at and > others will want to continue past. The PLAN will be updated with > suggestions > on how to cope with larger numbers. > Perhaps it is time to consider 3 groups, all converging once we get down there? We have the SS1000 group (have fun guys), the newbie-ish lower milers and some that will be in between. I know I have not committed yet, but it looks like I will be attending, and I can lead a group that wants to leave with the entire group and stay as a whole group the first night, but then would split off and leave ahead at a quicker or longer pace to go all the way to the gap on day two. We can set up a base camp for everybody when they get down there later on the next day. Just a thought ... Todd's suggestion to talk all this out at Dale and Tracy's sounds good. --chris PS. One last thing ... Keep in mind that this is MEMORIAL DAY weekend we are talking about. I would expect the roads to be more filled with travellers and have a larger Police presence than normal, thus slowing our travel times. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 14:25:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20480; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18639; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18439 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD63C2.DAA89B10@XXXXXX>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:21:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: Confessions of angry bikers? Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:21:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 30 TEXT Just a few stray bubble gum bubbles (nasty, nasty, nasty) ---------- From: Louis F. Caplan[SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 2:06 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Confessions of angry bikers? At 01:04 PM 4/9/98 -0400, horkster wrote: >JOE NAGY wrote: >> >> Have to admit, as long as we're confessing, that I once smacked the >> passenger side window with the palm of my studded roadrace glove in a >> similar situation. Must've made a helluva noise . . . > >I once stuck out my tongue at an idiot cager who really yanked >my chain, but I didn't get a reaction. And I found out the >inside of my full face helmet doesn't taste very good, either! :-) You mean not everyone coats the inside of their helmet with peppermints, lollipops, or some other hard candy? ;-) Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | Entrant #19, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 14:35:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20677; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18751; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18765 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24680 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:37:46 -0400 Message-ID: <352D1475.24B15F91@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 14:33:25 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Confessions of angry bikers? References: <62104189.352d0861@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh my, goodness gracious, is it any wonder that bikers have such a bad reputation. Now the rumor is that this DC-cycles gang is having a 'rumble' over Memorial Day weekend. Lock up your bunnies and kittens. Oh well, it could be worse, at least there isn't the worry about women getting shot and horses raped. Oh, wait, that's what started this thread in the first place. Leon Jinn Sinn wrote: > > In a message dated 4/9/98 1:41:23 PM, cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: > > << Have to admit, as long as we're confessing, that I once smacked the > >> passenger side window with the palm of my studded roadrace glove in a > >> similar situation. Must've made a helluva noise . . . > > > >I once stuck out my tongue at an idiot cager who really yanked > >my chain, but I didn't get a reaction. And I found out the > >inside of my full face helmet doesn't taste very good, either! :-) > > I find that giving people the finger, while you're wearing mittens, has > some similarities to that.>> > > and I've found that giving the evil eye is not the most satisfying form of > revenge...... :D ..... no matter how intensely you give it > > Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 14:46:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20933; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19430; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19122 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 333; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:43:19 -0400 Message-ID: <352D170C.40323FDB@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 14:44:28 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Deal's Gap References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > Its at least 1/2 hour faster to take US 29 to Charlottesville instead of I-95 to I-64. > Glenn, That depends on when/where you leave, 29 from Fairfax down to the Manassas battlefield can be a parking lot during the afternoon rush hour. Of course, I think you folks are leaving before all that mess starts to accumulate. I had to take a class at the Manassas NVCC campus once, what a pain that was. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 14:58:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21121; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20565; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19596 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:56:46 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:55:22 -0500 Received: from WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL [160.151.107.198] by dclink.com with smtp id AODGDHCA ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:54:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: My most "Angry Biker Experience" Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:01:18 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd63e9$e109fd60$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 A few years ago, when I was at Fort Carson, CO, there was some renovation going on at the back gate. The paved road was blocked off and we were forced to use a dirt road which had been covered with those big gray rocks. One night, a car was coming in the gate behing me and obviously wanted to go faster than I cared to on the rocks.... after having my heiny ridden for a little bit, I got aggravated and dumped the clutch, spitting a large quantity of those big gray rocks onto his car. He backed off and I went on my merry way. Smart, no, rewarding, yes! Later, Jay -----Original Message----- >From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX To: Jaynik Date: Thursday, April 09, 1998 3:49 PM Subject: RE: Confessions of angry bikers? > >Just a few stray bubble gum bubbles (nasty, nasty, nasty) > >---------- >From: Louis F. Caplan[SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 2:06 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Confessions of angry bikers? > > At 01:04 PM 4/9/98 -0400, horkster wrote: > >JOE NAGY wrote: > >> > >> Have to admit, as long as we're confessing, that I once smacked the > >> passenger side window with the palm of my studded roadrace glove in a > >> similar situation. Must've made a helluva noise . . . > > > >I once stuck out my tongue at an idiot cager who really yanked > >my chain, but I didn't get a reaction. And I found out the > >inside of my full face helmet doesn't taste very good, either! :-) > >You mean not everyone coats the inside of their helmet with peppermints, >lollipops, or some other hard candy? ;-) > >Louis > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm >Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | Entrant #19, Capitol 1000 >louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 15:02:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21177; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20774; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19715 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2S6RHT5S>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:02:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: horkster Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:02:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Why would you get on that part of 29 when your going that type of distance? HOV it out there on I-66 and get on 29 south at Gainesville. I guarantee you can make it faster then going I-95 at rush hour. Without rush hour I can make Charlottesville in 1:50 going 29. If I go to Richmond I-95 non rush hour it takes about 1.5 hours. Charlottesville is another hour from Richmond. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > That depends on when/where you leave, 29 from Fairfax down to the > Manassas battlefield can be a parking lot during the afternoon > rush hour. Of course, I think you folks are leaving before all that > mess starts to accumulate. I had to take a class at the Manassas > NVCC campus once, what a pain that was. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 15:09:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21281; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20906; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.crosslink.net (known hermes.crosslink.net [206.246.124.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19909 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18137 invoked from network); 9 Apr 1998 19:07:14 -0000 Received: from dyn02.pm1.leesburg.va.us.crosslink.net (HELO gwf) (206.246.86.98) by hermes.crosslink.net with SMTP; 9 Apr 1998 19:07:14 -0000 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: More Confessions of angry bikers? Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:08:11 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd63ea$d6d62f20$6256f6ce@gwf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I am not proud of this, and in this day and time I wouldn't do it, but I once had a lady toss her cigarette out right in my lap. At the next stop light, I pulled up beside her, motioned to her, and she rolled the window down thinking I was going to tell her something was wrong with her car, and I tossed it back in her lap and yelled "You dropped something". While she was scrambling, the light changed, and I was gone. Now days I'd probably be shot. Gary Foreman gforeman@XXXXXX http://www.fj1100.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 15:28:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22115; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21611; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21100 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p186.smart.net [206.97.127.186]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28628 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:26:29 -0400 Message-ID: <352D1FE8.57B574FC@smart.net> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 15:22:21 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Spring Fling Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can someone please repost the info regarding the Spring Fling party? TIA -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 16:18:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23200; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23335; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22720 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA02887 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:15:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA21841 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:15:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980409201507.COLO1614@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:15:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980409201507.COLO1614@[166.41.242.141]> I chose I95 out of springfield because we can use the HOV for as far as it goes and then turn off I95 at ThornBurg (about 50 miles south). We will not be going to Richmond, but cutting across via State Routes. Total distance this way is 198miles at 3:42 hours (according to DeLorme). Taking I66 out to 29 and heading south through Warrenton/Culpepper is 191miles at 3:31 hours. Can someone tell us if there is an excess of traffic beyond the end of the HOV on I95 at or around 4pm? I suspect not and continue to opt for this route. BTW, if the route were through Richmond, I'd agree with Glenn. It ain't, I don't ;-) Todd Glenn Dysart Wrote: >Why would you get on that part of 29 when your going that type of >distance? HOV it out there on I-66 and get on 29 south at Gainesville. I >guarantee you can make it faster then going I-95 at rush hour. > >Without rush hour I can make Charlottesville in 1:50 going 29. If I go to >Richmond I-95 non rush hour it takes about 1.5 hours. Charlottesville is >another hour from Richmond. > >> That depends on when/where you leave, 29 from Fairfax down to the >> Manassas battlefield can be a parking lot during the afternoon >> rush hour. Of course, I think you folks are leaving before all that >> mess starts to accumulate. I had to take a class at the Manassas >> NVCC campus once, what a pain that was. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 16:20:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23219; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23364; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22841 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA04660 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:18:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA16138 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980409201839.VMBG500@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:18:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Spring Fling X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980409201839.VMBG500@[166.41.242.141]> Go to Louis Caplans unofficial DC-Cycles Ride page at: http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dc-rides.htm Scroll down to see the mention and directions to the Horstmans. Todd >Can someone please repost the info regarding the Spring Fling party? > >TIA > >-- >Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 16:45:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23619; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23763; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23544 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2S6RHVP4>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:45:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:46:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) 191 is way to many miles. From my house in Annandale I'm sure its no more then about 115 miles otherwise there would be no way I could make it in 1:50 or 2:00 hours. 3:31 hours? Maybe if your riding a bicycle. Damn, I can make Roanoke or VA beach faster then that and not even pushing it. You have to wonder about some of those map programs. When I used to travel 29 alot Culpepper was 1:00, Charlottesville was 2:00, Lynchburg was 3:00 and Danville or Smith Mountain Lake was 4:00 right on the nose. It didn't seem to matter to much if I was doing 60, 65, or 70. I got there about the same time. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Taking I66 out to 29 and heading south through Warrenton/Culpepper > is 191miles at 3:31 hours. > > Can someone tell us if there is an excess of traffic beyond the end > of the HOV on I95 at or around 4pm? I suspect not and continue to > opt for this route. > > BTW, if the route were through Richmond, I'd agree with Glenn. It > ain't, I don't ;-) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 17:00:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24022; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24050; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24124 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA22754; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:58:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA10644; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:58:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980409205833.DGRD1614@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:58:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980409205833.DGRD1614@[166.41.242.141]> Sorry, I should have clarified. Charlottesville is NOT our objective on the first day. The objective is just outside of Roanoke. T Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:46:15 -0400 191 is way to many miles. From my house in Annandale I'm sure its no more then about 115 miles otherwise there would be no way I could make it in 1:50 or 2:00 hours. 3:31 hours? Maybe if your riding a bicycle. Damn, I can make Roanoke or VA beach faster then that and not even pushing it. You have to wonder about some of those map programs. When I used to travel 29 alot Culpepper was 1:00, Charlottesville was 2:00, Lynchburg was 3:00 and Danville or Smith Mountain Lake was 4:00 right on the nose. It didn't seem to matter to much if I was doing 60, 65, or 70. I got there about the same time. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Taking I66 out to 29 and heading south through Warrenton/Culpepper > is 191miles at 3:31 hours. > > Can someone tell us if there is an excess of traffic beyond the end > of the HOV on I95 at or around 4pm? I suspect not and continue to > opt for this route. > > BTW, if the route were through Richmond, I'd agree with Glenn. It > ain't, I don't ;-) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 18:03:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25541; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28241; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26785 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id SAA12824; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:10:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:10:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Jay cc: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: My most "Angry Biker Experience" In-Reply-To: <01bd63e9$e109fd60$c66b97a0@WR-W95LJThompson.WRAMC.ARMY.MIL> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Jay wrote: > A few years ago, when I was at Fort Carson, CO, there was some renovation > going on at the back gate. The paved road was blocked off and we were > forced to use a dirt road which had been covered with those big gray rocks. > One night, a car was coming in the gate behing me and obviously wanted to go > faster than I cared to on the rocks.... after having my heiny ridden for a > little bit, I got aggravated and dumped the clutch, spitting a large > quantity of those big gray rocks onto his car. He backed off and I went on > my merry way. Smart, no, rewarding, yes. Why not pull over and let him/her pass? They're happier, you're safer, and it's probably what you'd want if the roles were reversed. --garcia "We're lost, but we're making good time." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 18:20:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25788; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28839; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (known m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27190 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA01334 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:09:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: Re: Kicked my first car -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This thread got hashed out here about a year ago.. and I still think Al Lapp had the best responce in jumping up and down on a car top screaming 'Do you see me NOW MF's?' after they ran him off the road... on purpose mind you. I think we've pretty much all been in that situation where anger just gets the best of you and you must take some sort of action.. I know that as I was learning, I felt that efect strongly. That was a left turn, 2 lanes could turn, only one was clearly marked - I was on the outside with a big truck on the inside.. I didn't think there'd be any problem getting ahead of the truck (I knew people swung wide there.. I was first in my lane) - but being new, I missed the start and ended up being pinched betwen the truck and the curb.. My reaction was to get the truck as far from me as possible - so I swung my chain lock in the left hand acrss his windshield - figuring he'd swerve away from the inpact - he did, but with a spider-webbed window.. I stopped right then and there (next right, parking lot) - I figured the driver would swing back around - not that I cared.. I never saw the truck again. I figure it's just a good thing I wasn't hurt at that point.. Made sure to never be in the outside turn lane again.. (this is Montana mind you - everyone's got a gun or three in their truck/car) I've not done anything like that in a long time.. my action is usualy a fist on the roof, or a foot to the side mirror to knock it out of adjustment... those situations coming up about once a year when some real bonehead really jeapordizes my wellbeing... Sorry, rant off.. I DON'T condone that type of behavor.. but sometimes anger gets the better of a person... Brian P. McCoy 92/94 RS125 (race) - 82 XT250 (street/dirt) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 19:04:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26997; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29359; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28830 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-37.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.37]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id SAA18443; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409184104.0084c430@wingate> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 18:41:04 -0400 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Kicked my first car In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980409110706.00f177d0@mail.toward.com> References: <19980409144146.UUNN18677@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My philosophy exactly, to wit: Road Rage is caused by the other, stupid person. :) MET At 11:07 AM 4/9/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >Sure is, and it's not always on the part of the pissed-off person. I think >the Rage is also part of the driver who deliberately cuts people off, etc. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 19:04:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27001; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29363; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28835 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-37.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.37]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id SAA18450; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409184342.00a1d510@wingate> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 18:43:42 -0400 To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." , Todd Peer From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Cc: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX, In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980409125629.0069f808@pop.mindspring.com> References: <19980409154150.SHIN500@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I thought that was the April Fool's gag...? MET At 12:56 PM 4/9/98 -0400, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > FYI, many sections of the BRP are still (!!!) closed and may not reopen >for some time. Before you go, check http://www.nps.gov/blri/ and call (704) >298-0398 for info so you can plan a reasonable route mixing the BRP and >other roads. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 19:20:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27442; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29711; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29396 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10011; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980408191432.008a51e0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 19:14:32 -0400 To: Brian McCoy , DC-Cycles list From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Summit RAces In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:10 PM 4/7/98 -0400, Brian McCoy wrote: >Hope to see ya there.. someone.. (other than collin.. who better damn well >be there to walk the track with me to learn the damn thing) Team Charm will be there in all our beer drinking, bike abusing, glory. We pit at "pit out." We are #911 & #411 respectivly. Most of our races are run on Saturday, in addition to our duties as instructors for the road racing school. Stephen Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 19:22:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27489; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29751; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29456 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (pool-207-205-218-239_pitb.grid.net [207.205.218.239] (may be forged)) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA25690; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409192333.006b9230@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 19:23:33 -0400 To: "Mark E. Truelove" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Cc: Todd Peer , tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX, In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980409184342.00a1d510@wingate> References: <3.0.1.32.19980409125629.0069f808@pop.mindspring.com> <19980409154150.SHIN500@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:43 PM 4/9/98 -0400, Mark E. Truelove wrote: > >I thought that was the April Fool's gag...? No, the gag was that Deal's Gap was closed. The reality is that many sections of the parkway are closed. When I was there, a large stretch around Grandfather Mountain was shut down. I was on and off the parkway going north, but then had to exit north once and for all above Roanoake. Major PITA. > >MET > >At 12:56 PM 4/9/98 -0400, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: >> FYI, many sections of the BRP are still (!!!) closed and may not reopen >>for some time. Before you go, check http://www.nps.gov/blri/ and call (704) >>298-0398 for info so you can plan a reasonable route mixing the BRP and >>other roads. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 22:02:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28934; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02543; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02263 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (pool-207-205-218-239_pitb.grid.net [207.205.218.239] (may be forged)) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA20783 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409220231.006c16b4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 22:02:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: BRP Update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good news. I just called the information number and found out that the Blue Ridge Parkway is now only closed between milemarkers 423 and 443. Quite a change. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 9 23:43:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29992; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04116; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04107 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA25080 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <352DBF46.2F13@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 23:42:14 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Summit Pt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, Todd, Ralph, Brian et al... I'll be there both days too. I'll be leaving Arlington at 0530 hrs and should get there a few minutes or so after 0715. I generally stop at my halfway point, which is HillTop Restaurant for a cuppa java. See y'all bright and early on Saturday. -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 00:23:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01316; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05608; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05356 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-23.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.64]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA29145; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:22:11 -0400 Message-ID: <045501bd6438$65711d60$4010b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , , Cc: , Subject: Re: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:22:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Stirrings about mixing road lanes, egos and machines -- o 'Same Road -- Different Mode' stickers are available from the AMA at one-half dollar. White, yellow, on blue, kinda spiffy, I think. This in conjunction with Motorcycle Awareness and You Month (May) for which the AMA has plenty backup material for anyone wanting to get the word out via press releases, flyers, etc. Contact: Sean Maher 614 891-2425x265. (For those inclined ask about the hefty State Motorcycle Safety Administrators Idea Sampler -- many good looking posters, stickers, etc.) o There was so much in this traffic story from another list -- This is the transcript of an ACTUAL radio conversation of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October, 1995. Radio conversation released by the Chief of Naval Operations10-10-95. >.Americans: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a Collision. >Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision. >Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course. >Canadians: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course. >Americans: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS LINCOLN, THE SECOND LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES' ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. I DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH, THAT'S ONE FIVE DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTER-MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP. >Canadians: This is a lighthouse. It's your call. Hmmm. Did either side show the bird flag as they passed? -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette >Speaking of stickers, snip >Where the hell do these come from!!?? snip Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 00:38:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01423; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05688; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05681 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.49] (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:35:39 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: More Confessions of angry bikers? Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 00:37:58 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Gary Foreman" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I am not proud of this, and in this day and time I wouldn't do it, but I >once had a lady toss her cigarette out right in my lap. At the next stop >light, I pulled up beside her, motioned to her, and she rolled the window >down thinking I was going to tell her something was wrong with her car, and >I tossed it back in her lap and yelled "You dropped something". While she >was scrambling, the light changed, and I was gone. I'd be proud as hell for doing something like that!! I always look two or three times before flinging a butt out the window. Wish I'd had one the other day when that guy on the FL wouldn't let me move over to the right... ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 00:38:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01427; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05696; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05691 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.49] (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:35:50 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Confessions of angry bikers? Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 00:38:09 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Leon Begeman" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Oh my, goodness gracious, is it any wonder that bikers have such a bad >reputation. Now the rumor is that this DC-cycles gang is having a >'rumble' over Memorial Day weekend. Lock up your bunnies and kittens. >Oh well, it could be worse, at least there isn't the worry about women >getting shot and horses raped. Oh, wait, that's what started this >thread in the first place. Best be careful lest someone should tell Sherriff Howell (no relation) about those Hell's Angels who might want to stomp the DC-Cyclers' collective butts in the fair town of Fontana. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 00:38:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01441; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05700; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05697 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.49] (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:35:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kicked my first car Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 00:38:19 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >1. Even louder horns. Not just your basic loud aftermarket horns, but BF >Trucker horns or locomotive horns. I know you can get physically >impractical here, but something loud enough to cause a heart attack would >be nice. You just have the wrong bike. Lots of Wingers (and FL and RT folks) have horns with rather sizable compressors attached. Some even plumb it into their existing onboard compressors. Lessens the lag time from traditional compressor horns. FWIW, a compressor type horn was the first accessory my father bought for his first three bikes (on his most recent one, he just had the dealer wire in a second one. I think as soon as he finds space for a compressor, it's back to air horns) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 06:37:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA03904; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA08014; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA09609 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2S6RHX1X>; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:38:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:39:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Nope, its true. When I was headed to Roanoke in January I had originally jumped off I-81 where the first sign is posted for the parkway. After 10 miles out of my way to get there they finally had a sign saying the parkway was closed going south. Anyone know if Skyline from Front Royal to US 211 is open yet? As I mentioned last week it was closed due to some ice storm some 7 weeks ago. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > I thought that was the April Fool's gag...? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 07:48:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04305; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA08203; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known [128.126.170.15] [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10165 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6454.960FF2E0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:45:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:45:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 42 TEXT OOPS! Almost all of us can use HOV - Joanna won't be able to - there'll be only two in her Jeep. ---------- From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 4:08 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap I chose I95 out of springfield because we can use the HOV for as far as it goes and then turn off I95 at ThornBurg (about 50 miles south). We will not be going to Richmond, but cutting across via State Routes. Total distance this way is 198miles at 3:42 hours (according to DeLorme). Taking I66 out to 29 and heading south through Warrenton/Culpepper is 191miles at 3:31 hours. Can someone tell us if there is an excess of traffic beyond the end of the HOV on I95 at or around 4pm? I suspect not and continue to opt for this route. BTW, if the route were through Richmond, I'd agree with Glenn. It ain't, I don't ;-) Todd Glenn Dysart Wrote: >Why would you get on that part of 29 when your going that type of >distance? HOV it out there on I-66 and get on 29 south at Gainesville. I >guarantee you can make it faster then going I-95 at rush hour. > >Without rush hour I can make Charlottesville in 1:50 going 29. If I go to >Richmond I-95 non rush hour it takes about 1.5 hours. Charlottesville is >another hour from Richmond. > >> That depends on when/where you leave, 29 from Fairfax down to the >> Manassas battlefield can be a parking lot during the afternoon >> rush hour. Of course, I think you folks are leaving before all that >> mess starts to accumulate. I had to take a class at the Manassas >> NVCC campus once, what a pain that was. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 08:21:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04525; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08851; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wariat.apk.net (known wariat.apk.net [192.147.147.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10654 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ztyrlik (pcorddry.sales.intercon.com [149.52.22.55]) by wariat.apk.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20075; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:22:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:21:34 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01bd647b$33917e50$37163495@ztyrlik.ascend.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX [mailto:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 10, 1998 7:45 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: jtumidajewicz@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Deal's Gap > > > OOPS! Almost all of us can use HOV - Joanna won't be able to - > there'll be only two in her Jeep. > What about loaning her one of the scouts to fill it to 3 people ? Or, maybe someone has this Police officer doll - we will put it on front seat .... Regarding ride etc: we will be happy to prepare some maps for riders and print them - Delorme is a GooD_Thing. We will be leaving from west side (Ashburn), so if there are folks willing to ride 7 to Front Royal and BRP all way down, that is possible. We can get together on first night, and on second day some folks can keep a 3 day pace, and some can go ahead to set up camps doing a 2 day run and having more time for exploration of Deal's Gap. One more thing - looks like there will be a nice weather Saturday and Sunday. Anyone interested in doing open part of BRP and short visit to Summit Point ? I will probably leave Ashbrun around 9-nish, so if there is an interest we can hook together. _zjt > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 4:08 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Deal's Gap > > > I chose I95 out of springfield because we can use the HOV for as far > as it goes and then turn off I95 at ThornBurg (about 50 miles south). > We will not be going to Richmond, but cutting across via State Routes. > Total distance this way is 198miles at 3:42 hours (according to DeLorme). > > Taking I66 out to 29 and heading south through Warrenton/Culpepper > is 191miles at 3:31 hours. > > Can someone tell us if there is an excess of traffic beyond the end > of the HOV on I95 at or around 4pm? I suspect not and continue to > opt for this route. > > BTW, if the route were through Richmond, I'd agree with Glenn. It > ain't, I don't ;-) > > Todd > > Glenn Dysart Wrote: > >Why would you get on that part of 29 when your going that type of > >distance? HOV it out there on I-66 and get on 29 south at > Gainesville. I > >guarantee you can make it faster then going I-95 at rush hour. > > > >Without rush hour I can make Charlottesville in 1:50 going 29. > If I go to > >Richmond I-95 non rush hour it takes about 1.5 hours. > Charlottesville is > >another hour from Richmond. > > > >> That depends on when/where you leave, 29 from Fairfax down to the > >> Manassas battlefield can be a parking lot during the afternoon > >> rush hour. Of course, I think you folks are leaving before all that > >> mess starts to accumulate. I had to take a class at the Manassas > >> NVCC campus once, what a pain that was. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 08:24:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04576; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08892; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known [134.11.235.12] [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10753 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2S6RHY5T>; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:25:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: jtumidajewicz@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:25:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) If you go 66 you can. > -----Original Message----- > From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 10, 1998 7:45 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: jtumidajewicz@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Deal's Gap > > OOPS! Almost all of us can use HOV - Joanna won't be able to - there'll be only two in her Jeep. > > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 4:08 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Deal's Gap > > > I chose I95 out of springfield because we can use the HOV for as far > as it goes and then turn off I95 at ThornBurg (about 50 miles south). > We will not be going to Richmond, but cutting across via State Routes. > Total distance this way is 198miles at 3:42 hours (according to DeLorme). > > Taking I66 out to 29 and heading south through Warrenton/Culpepper > is 191miles at 3:31 hours. > > Can someone tell us if there is an excess of traffic beyond the end > of the HOV on I95 at or around 4pm? I suspect not and continue to > opt for this route. > > BTW, if the route were through Richmond, I'd agree with Glenn. It > ain't, I don't ;-) > > Todd > > Glenn Dysart Wrote: > >Why would you get on that part of 29 when your going that type of > >distance? HOV it out there on I-66 and get on 29 south at Gainesville. I > >guarantee you can make it faster then going I-95 at rush hour. > > > >Without rush hour I can make Charlottesville in 1:50 going 29. If I go to > >Richmond I-95 non rush hour it takes about 1.5 hours. Charlottesville is > >another hour from Richmond. > > > >> That depends on when/where you leave, 29 from Fairfax down to the > >> Manassas battlefield can be a parking lot during the afternoon > >> rush hour. Of course, I think you folks are leaving before all that > >> mess starts to accumulate. I had to take a class at the Manassas > >> NVCC campus once, what a pain that was. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 08:32:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04638; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09125; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com [128.126.170.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10896 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD645A.C8B10300@XXXXXX>; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:29:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:29:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 101 TEXT Don't have a scout to lend her...I've only got 2 children. Are you coming to the Spring Fling? If so, bring the software - I've got a good computer, color printer, etc. We can finalize there and print them out for everyone. Tracy ---------- From: Zbigniew J. Tyrlik[SMTP:zbig@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, April 10, 1998 8:21 AM To: Horstman, Tracy L @ Manassas; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: jtumidajewicz@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Deal's Gap > -----Original Message----- > From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX [mailto:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 10, 1998 7:45 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: jtumidajewicz@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Deal's Gap > > > OOPS! Almost all of us can use HOV - Joanna won't be able to - > there'll be only two in her Jeep. > What about loaning her one of the scouts to fill it to 3 people ? Or, maybe someone has this Police officer doll - we will put it on front seat .... Regarding ride etc: we will be happy to prepare some maps for riders and print them - Delorme is a GooD_Thing. We will be leaving from west side (Ashburn), so if there are folks willing to ride 7 to Front Royal and BRP all way down, that is possible. We can get together on first night, and on second day some folks can keep a 3 day pace, and some can go ahead to set up camps doing a 2 day run and having more time for exploration of Deal's Gap. One more thing - looks like there will be a nice weather Saturday and Sunday. Anyone interested in doing open part of BRP and short visit to Summit Point ? I will probably leave Ashbrun around 9-nish, so if there is an interest we can hook together. _zjt > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 4:08 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Deal's Gap > > > I chose I95 out of springfield because we can use the HOV for as far > as it goes and then turn off I95 at ThornBurg (about 50 miles south). > We will not be going to Richmond, but cutting across via State Routes. > Total distance this way is 198miles at 3:42 hours (according to DeLorme). > > Taking I66 out to 29 and heading south through Warrenton/Culpepper > is 191miles at 3:31 hours. > > Can someone tell us if there is an excess of traffic beyond the end > of the HOV on I95 at or around 4pm? I suspect not and continue to > opt for this route. > > BTW, if the route were through Richmond, I'd agree with Glenn. It > ain't, I don't ;-) > > Todd > > Glenn Dysart Wrote: > >Why would you get on that part of 29 when your going that type of > >distance? HOV it out there on I-66 and get on 29 south at > Gainesville. I > >guarantee you can make it faster then going I-95 at rush hour. > > > >Without rush hour I can make Charlottesville in 1:50 going 29. > If I go to > >Richmond I-95 non rush hour it takes about 1.5 hours. > Charlottesville is > >another hour from Richmond. > > > >> That depends on when/where you leave, 29 from Fairfax down to the > >> Manassas battlefield can be a parking lot during the afternoon > >> rush hour. Of course, I think you folks are leaving before all that > >> mess starts to accumulate. I had to take a class at the Manassas > >> NVCC campus once, what a pain that was. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 08:40:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04679; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09227; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11074 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA04896; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:38:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-04.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.68) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004887; Fri Apr 10 07:38:21 1998 Message-ID: <352E28CC.6DEA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:12:29 -0700 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xl-list@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Travelcade Saddlegel Seat Pads? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone using the Travlecade Saddlegel Seat Pads Have any opinion? No one locally has them in stock, was concerned about how well they secured to the seat, Any problem with them moving or slipping. Also, does anyone know where they can be had for less that $59.95 for the large? -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 08:48:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04717; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09304; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11174 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA05476 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:46:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-04.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.68) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma005452; Fri Apr 10 07:45:59 1998 Message-ID: <352E2A9C.675C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:20:12 -0700 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although I had been hoping to help Cornerwork this weekend at Summit Point, I am going to have my 3 yoa daughter with me. Would still like to meet some of you though. And if I can get a sitter for awhile will try and make it. No luck so far though. Anyway, Have a good safe weekend. -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 08:57:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04762; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09413; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail3.geocities.com [209.1.224.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11295 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA07278; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 05:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352E16B6.B709139C@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:55:18 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shephar1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point References: <352E2A9C.675C@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ken, Bring her along!!! Connor's made all but one race since he was born :) Too bad he's going with mommy this weekend otherwise daddy would have him out there again! Hope you can sneak out for a bit.. Collin Ken S. wrote: I am going to have my 3 yoa daughter with me. Would still like > to meet some of you though. And if I can get a sitter for awhile will > try and make it. No luck so far though. Anyway, Have a good safe > weekend. -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 09:12:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05036; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09889; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11796 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA07123; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:11:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-04.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.68) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma007106; Fri Apr 10 08:11:06 1998 Message-ID: <352E3077.6C61@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:45:11 -0700 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Summit Point References: <352E2A9C.675C@ix.netcom.com> <352E16B6.B709139C@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin T. Fagan wrote: > > Ken, > Bring her along!!! Connor's made all but one race since he was born :) > Too bad he's going with mommy this weekend otherwise daddy would have > him out there again! > Hope you can sneak out for a bit.. > Collin Collin, Might just do that, but wasn't sure how to get in at the gate for just a short while while not cornerworking. Isn't it something like $15.00 or $20.00 at the gate, or something like that for admission. Or do you just flash the MARRC card and go straight in? -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 09:43:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05788; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10546; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DCSMTP.WICTOK7.EPA.GOV (known dcsmtp.wictok7.epa.gov [161.80.160.141]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13186 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DCWIC01-Message_Server by DCSMTP.WICTOK7.EPA.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:15:42 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:10:37 -0400 From: JOHN VARHOL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 04/09/98 -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Please delete John Varhol's name from your mailing list. He died 2 weeks ago. >>> The dc-cycles list administrator 04/09/98 07:00pm >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. =( \___/ )= \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ \ || || / \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: \| |/ dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX |_| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ X-Sender: poppo@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 20:47:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: poppo@XXXXXX (Ralph Young) Subject: Re: Summit Pt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'll be there Saturday and Suday cornerworking. Been receiving the digest form of the list for a while but have not participated in discussions yet. Ralph Young Alexandria '84FJ1100 '75CB550 > >Todd Peer wrote: > >> I plan to >> cornerwork this Saturday and possibly Sunday as well. Anyone else >> doing any corner work this weekend? >> _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 21:50:01 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Roy D. Turner" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sat. Summit Pt. Ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please give directions to Silver Diner from 495. As far as the route is concerned, it all depends on how fast we want to get there. Roy D. Turner wrote: > I propose we leave from the Silver Diner parking lot in front of > Springfield Mall no later than 10:30 a.m. on Saturday morning. Anyone have > a suggested route? Roy D. Turner, Esq. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX 94' ZX-11 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Errors-To: Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:02:16 -0400 (EDT) From: BRIANPM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Summit point MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII copied from OTHER non-functioning server.. Ok, if you don't know there are races at Summit Point by now, you must not be reading your e-mails... Here's the scoop (according to Brian): Races, Summit Point WV. April 11-12 Gates open about 6pm Friday (I'll be there) Admission is $20 at the gate, $18 in advance (Call Fast Lane Cycles for info) That's for the full weekend, camping included (LOTS of fun) Cornerworking will find you in the best company of the track (well, untill Collin and I are full-fledged racers ;) - It'll also get you in the gate free (reinbursment), free hot meals - and the 2nd best seat on the track. I'll be there, cornerworking both days.. camping Friday and Sat. nights.. Look for my truck (UGLY truck.. you all should know it) - race hawk should be in or near it - I usualy camp at the VERY end of pit lane - when coming across the bridge, it's the 2nd right on pavement.. follow it till it forks right and left (T intersection) - And I should be right there.. behind a tree.. Blue tent - I'll have sodas, hot dogs and smores there for anyone that wants to stop by.. actually, there'll probably be some beer too, come to think of it.. Stop by, I'll put things in the truck if you want them locked... but, make sure to find me before 7am, arround noon, or after 6is (races are done) - otherwise I'll be out on a corner.. Hope to see ya there.. someone.. (other than collin.. who better damn well be there to walk the track with me to learn the damn thing) Brian P.McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 85 XT250 (street/dirt) brianpm@XXXXXX & bmccoy@XXXXXX - personal www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:09:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: Re: Sat. Summit Pt. Ride MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Roy D. Turner wrote: > > > I propose we leave from the Silver Diner parking lot in front of > > Springfield Mall no later than 10:30 a.m. on Saturday morning. Anyone have > > a suggested route? Roy D. Turner, Esq. I can recomend Rt 9 north off of Rt7, just west/north of Leesburg... runs right into CharlesTown.. good 1mile in there going through Hillendale... you'll smile as long as there's no traffic holding you up. Brian P. McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 85 XT250 (street/dirt) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Subject: Re: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 00:38:46 -0400 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). I'm finding that the Rat wing is sucking up tons of available cash. Still too early to know if I'll have enough left come the end of may (should shelf the project for a while so that I can do the trip:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 01:04:50 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Deal's Gap Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd: Please post the URL to the DC-Cycles Deal's Gap page again. Every few days I like to see the progress of the group and my inbox file got deleted in my switchover to the newest version of Nestscape. Todd Peer wrote: > All > > Wow! That Deal's Gap trip is starting to shape up into something tangible. > Here's how the numbers break out: > > 23 people have shown an interest. > > 10 of us will be riding down on the extended tour. > 3 of us are riding a Saddle Sore down to meet the rest. > 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). > 2 of us in chase vehicles. > -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:46:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: aki.damme@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cell phones - was: And you wonder why we get a bad name... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > uh..I don't think so..using a phone is a *temporary* degradation of > driving ability, while being drunk (or drugged) cannot be "turned off". > One CAN'T be turned off; the other WON'T be. > Additionally, driving while under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs > can significantly reduce your *judgement* and *ability* to reason and > make intelligent decisions such as whether or not to make calls while driving? while talking on the phone reduces ones ability > to pay *full attention* to their surroundings..there's a difference. Which is....? If the results are similar, it's a distinction without a difference. > That's why the law will charge you with "failing to pay full attention" if > you have an accident while using the phone, but will rarely (if ever) charge > you with reckless. > > > It is my understanding that driving and using a cell phone is just as > > hazardous as driving while under the influence of drugs and alcohol. It > > was also stated that men are more at fault then women. I myself have > > used a phone while driving... and I have noticed that my driving is not > > as good as while using it. I'm trying to avoid using my phone while I'm > > driving... I don't wish to become a statistic.... > > > > My .02 > > -Tom --garcia "The Law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich, as well as the poor, from stealing bread, begging in the streets, and sleeping under bridges." Anatole France _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 08:27:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Kicked my first car Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I suppose it's time to 'fess up. This is something I learned when hang gliding during college - my fellow pilots and I had an agreement that the biggest danger in hang gliding was the male ego. So when one of us screwed up, we'd talk about it to share information and to ensure we didn't get cocky. It was also a useful reminder about how quickly things can go bad, even when you think you've got things under control. So ... I kicked my first car. I had several stressors at both home and work, so my fuse was short. I realized this as I rode in, staying in the left lane more, and feeling more irritated at slow cars blocking the left lane and at HOV scofflaws. But I didn't do anything about my mood. Lesson no. 1 - When I notice that my mood is sour, scale everything back a notch. Immediately. Eastbound on Independence Ave (SW) just before the Tidal Basin, the left of three lanes ends and the road narrows to two lanes. I don't like how the car drivers bunch up there, so I stay in the far right lane. However, I have to be in the left lane after the bridge over the Tidal Basin, so I move over as soon as possible, once clear of the merge. On that day, I moved over before the merge because the traffic in front was moving well, and there were no cars anywhere near behind me. As the left lane next to me was ending, I noticed in my mirror a car approaching quickly in the left lane. I stayed in the left side of my lane and pulled up closer to the car in front of me to give plenty of room behind, and to discourage the driver from cutting in front of me. Lesson no. 2 - Once I've decided that a particular area is too dangerous, don't go back just because it looks okay. One reason I had decided it was dangerous is because bad things happen quickly. Many drivers are still in "fast mode" after coming in on I-66. The car driver pulled up alongside me, rear bumper about even with the back of my bike, and moved over to push me out of the lane. I was furious, I lost it, I kicked her car twice, and she moved back. I proceeded as I was, shaking my fist at her, and she pulled in behind me. Lesson no. 3 - After an altercation with a car driver, I don't want the car driver behind me. I want them in front of me, where I can see them easier and where it's harder for them to attack me. The only exception might be if I want to make a quick getaway, and can do so - but by then I was in no condition to split lanes or do any high-demand riding, and I knew it. When I stopped at the next light, the attacking driver was right behind me. I got off my bike and walked back. The car was a white American sedan, it looked like a GM, maybe an Oldsmobile. The driver was a middle-aged white lady with glasses and white hair. "What's your problem?" she sneered at me. I asked why she did that. She played dumb. I said you deliberately pulled beside me then tried to run me off the road She blamed me for being in her way when the lane ended. I said "You do that again lady, and you're going to get shot." Traffic was backing up now. I walked back to my bike and rode off. She turned off the road and was gone. When I thought I had chosen a reasonable path through this area, it turned out that this car driver could endanger me very quickly. Being in a lane next to a merge lane is a bad place to be because out-of-control car drivers can come up from behind and the situation can go to hell real quickly. I'm not proud of what I did, in fact, I think it was pretty stupid. It might sound heroic to get back at the car, but it can easily be the "last great act of defiance" as the car driver twitches the steering wheel and sends the bike and rider flying off the road. I tend to doubt the lady learned anything, though hopefully she'll think twice before trying to force a bike off the road again. Her actions were as close to assault as I think they can be, but I actually doubt she meant it that way. I think she's just a middle-aged white lady used to getting her way. it's a jungle out there, Chris Norloff P.S. Yes, Chris Meier, this is it. But I bet you already figured that out! _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:47:26 -0700 Encoding: 12 TEXT Chris (et.al.), When I spent some time in an exotic southeast Asian country at my Uncle's expense a few years ago, the Army types used to line the sides of their trucks with Claymores to discourage other people from getting too close. Wonder where I can find some now... Michael (USAF Ret.) J. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:47:50 -0400 Encoding: 74 TEXT All - Been looking over the plans == http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/brp/default.htm - Just a suggestion: I see that we are taking some scenic routes on the way down (3 days worth - and me in the cage with kids) - could we cut down that down to just Thursday and Friday and get there Friday? There's a lot of riding in the area of Deal's Gap that can be done from a central location. My concerns are with some of the newer riders who have only gone a 100-150 miles in a day won't able to come back 500 miles in one day on Memorial Day which is at the end of the trip and when everyone is most tired. I was thinking more of a 200 mile day on Thursday and another 300 or so on Friday. Newer riders should be able to push themselves to do that. So come Sunday, we could start heading back at the same pace except 300 miles on Sunday and 200 on Monday. Don't want anyone getting hurt or make stupid mistakes from being tired. That leaves Saturday rather than Sunday to do the Deal's Gap thang or any other riding. Will have to do some camp re-arranging but hopefully that shouldn't be too much of a chore? I can help with that. Let me know what you all think. Tracy PS - don't know how long the plan has been there so I'm sorry for not sending this suggestion sooner - lost the URL and had to go through Louis's DC Cycles page (http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dc-rides.htm) to find it after sorting though all the e-mail junk I do keep just to find Louis's page. ---------- From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 4:08 PM To: dc-cycles Subject: Deal's Gap All Wow! That Deal's Gap trip is starting to shape up into something tangible. Here's how the numbers break out: 23 people have shown an interest. 10 of us will be riding down on the extended tour. 3 of us are riding a Saddle Sore down to meet the rest. 8 of us are ??? on the fence (come ON! Make a plan!). 2 of us in chase vehicles. This is a pretty good showing so far folks. I think we may be considering something less than an ALL group ride as the departure date approaches. Large numbers of motorcycles on the BRP is workable, but there will undoubtadly be some scene or another some will want to stop at and others will want to continue past. The PLAN will be updated with suggestions on how to cope with larger numbers. Here's hoping for perfect weather! Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-ROUTED: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:55:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Jay" From: "Jay" To: Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Kicked my first car Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:02:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Chris, I think it's a kind of entertaining story, but scary. You may want to take down the tag number and report people like that in the future. While I probably would have done the same thing, it makes motorcyclists look bad as a group. (Flamers, please do not attack! Like I said, I think the kicking was damn well justified, but people have a negative image of bikers and all they saw was a biker being greedy and kicking that poor old lady's car.) She's lucky that you were as nice as you were.... too bad she's probably another ignorant SOB that will never admit fault! Damn I hate people! Later, Jay -----Original Message----- >From: cnorloff@XXXXXX To: Jaynik Date: Thursday, April 09, 1998 9:39 AM Subject: Kicked my first car > >I suppose it's time to 'fess up. This is something I learned when hang >gliding during college - my fellow pilots and I had an agreement that the >biggest danger in hang gliding was the male ego. So when one of us screwed >up, we'd talk about it to share information and to ensure we didn't get >cocky. It was also a useful reminder about how quickly things can go bad, >even when you think you've got things under control. > >So ... I kicked my first car. > >I had several stressors at both home and work, so my fuse was short. I >realized this as I rode in, staying in the left lane more, and feeling more >irritated at slow cars blocking the left lane and at HOV scofflaws. But I >didn't do anything about my mood. > >Lesson no. 1 - When I notice that my mood is sour, scale everything back a >notch. Immediately. > >Eastbound on Independence Ave (SW) just before the Tidal Basin, the left of >three lanes ends and the road narrows to two lanes. I don't like how the >car drivers bunch up there, so I stay in the far right lane. However, I >have to be in the left lane after the bridge over the Tidal Basin, so I >move over as soon as possible, once clear of the merge. > >On that day, I moved over before the merge because the traffic in front was >moving well, and there were no cars anywhere near behind me. As the left >lane next to me was ending, I noticed in my mirror a car approaching >quickly in the left lane. I stayed in the left side of my lane and pulled >up closer to the car in front of me to give plenty of room behind, and to >discourage the driver from cutting in front of me. > >Lesson no. 2 - Once I've decided that a particular area is too dangerous, >don't go back just because it looks okay. One reason I had decided it was >dangerous is because bad things happen quickly. Many drivers are still in >"fast mode" after coming in on I-66. > >The car driver pulled up alongside me, rear bumper about even with the back >of my bike, and moved over to push me out of the lane. I was furious, I >lost it, I kicked her car twice, and she moved back. I proceeded as I was, >shaking my fist at her, and she pulled in behind me. > >Lesson no. 3 - After an altercation with a car driver, I don't want the car >driver behind me. I want them in front of me, where I can see them easier >and where it's harder for them to attack me. The only exception might be >if I want to make a quick getaway, and can do so - but by then I was in no >condition to split lanes or do any high-demand riding, and I knew it. > >When I stopped at the next light, the attacking driver was right behind me. > I got off my bike and walked back. The car was a white American sedan, it >looked like a GM, maybe an Oldsmobile. The driver was a middle-aged white >lady with glasses and white hair. "What's your problem?" she sneered at >me. I asked why she did that. She played dumb. I said you deliberately >pulled beside me then tried to run me off the road She blamed me for being >in her way when the lane ended. I said "You do that again lady, and you're >going to get shot." Traffic was backing up now. I walked back to my bike >and rode off. She turned off the road and was gone. > > >When I thought I had chosen a reasonable path through this area, it turned >out that this car driver could endanger me very quickly. Being in a lane >next to a merge lane is a bad place to be because out-of-control car >drivers can come up from behind and the situation can go to hell real quickly. > >I'm not proud of what I did, in fact, I think it was pretty stupid. It >might sound heroic to get back at the car, but it can easily be the "last >great act of defiance" as the car driver twitches the steering wheel and >sends the bike and rider flying off the road. I tend to doubt the lady >learned anything, though hopefully she'll think twice before trying to >force a bike off the road again. Her actions were as close to assault as I >think they can be, but I actually doubt she meant it that way. I think >she's just a middle-aged white lady used to getting her way. > >it's a jungle out there, >Chris Norloff > > >P.S. Yes, Chris Meier, this is it. But I bet you already figured that out! > > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: To: , Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:56:32 -0400 Encoding: 21 TEXT Sorry for not being military except in my attitude according to my husband, but what's a claymore? ---------- From: Jordan, Michael[SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 8:47 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Chris (et.al.), When I spent some time in an exotic southeast Asian country at my Uncle's expense a few years ago, the Army types used to line the sides of their trucks with Claymores to discourage other people from getting too close. Wonder where I can find some now... Michael (USAF Ret.) J. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:15:18 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Kicked my first car Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:47 AM 4/9/98 -0700, Jordan, Michael wrote: >Chris (et.al.), > >When I spent some time in an exotic southeast Asian country at my >Uncle's expense a few years ago, the Army types used to line the sides >of their trucks with Claymores to discourage other people from getting >too close. > >Wonder where I can find some now... I've thought of using ammo cans for saddlebags - they make dandy saddlebags, and are virtually indestructible. Plue they give the "combat" look to the bike. I suspect car drivers would not want to tangle with those metal corners. It does make lane-splitting a bit more dicey, though. Chris Norloff _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:16:37 -0400 To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Kicked my first car Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:02 AM 4/9/98 -0400, Jay wrote: >I think it's a kind of entertaining story, but scary. You may want to take >down the tag number and report people like that in the future. While I >probably would have done the same thing, it makes motorcyclists look bad as >a group. (Flamers, please do not attack! Like I said, I think the kicking >was damn well justified, but people have a negative image of bikers and all >they saw was a biker being greedy and kicking that poor old lady's car.) Maybe. But they might have seen her try to push me off the road. Chris Norloff _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:26:31 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Kicked my first car Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tracy, Claymores are a type of mine that the military (and militia men, I suppose he he) use.... They are fairly directional and quite potent. tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Sorry for not being military except in my attitude according to my husband, but what's a claymore? -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:28:49 -0500 To: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Kicked my first car Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Chris-- I hope she didn't get your license number. A cop may be sympathetic to you re: kicking, but telling her she's gonna get shot may cause you some trouble. Not that I'd have wanted to do anything different at the time.... Later Kevin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:49:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Kicked my first car Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:28 AM 4/9/98 -0500, klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: >I hope she didn't get your license number. A cop may be sympathetic to you >re: kicking, but telling her she's gonna get shot may cause you some >trouble. Not that I'd have wanted to do anything different at the time.... I worried about that, too. I decided that my response, if questionned, would be that it was a warning to her - that there are drivers who would shoot her for attacking them. I wouldn't, and I didn't exactly say I would (though that might get lost in repeating the story). I also decided that, if questionned, my kicking was to get her to back off, because she was pushing me into the other lane where I believed there was traffic. I didn't brake because I was worried about her snagging part of my bike as she moved past me and would pull me over onto my side. I didn't blow my horn because I was certain she knew I was there, having just pullled alongside me. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it, Chris Norloff _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:59:44 -0400 From: Leon Begeman MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kicked my first car Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Sorry for not being military except in my attitude according to my husband, but what's a claymore? It's a directional land-mine. I wouldn't want to ride in that truck. The back side of a claymore is damn near as dangerous as the front side. I do like the ammo can idea. They come in different sizes, so you could mount the little ones as warning when you don't need the big ones for cargo. OTOH, I haven't From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 09:46:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05814; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10567; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13249 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:45:07 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA07731 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:45:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199804101345.AA07731@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:45:37 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:45:37 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:45:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 9:43:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Fwd: And you wonder why we get a bad name... To: mobacc@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <045501bd6438$65711d60$4010b1cd@newmicronpc> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...actually that's urban legend, I heard that story when I first joined the Navy in '75... -aki > Stirrings about mixing road lanes, egos and machines -- > > o 'Same Road -- Different Mode' stickers are available from the AMA at > one-half dollar. White, yellow, on blue, kinda spiffy, I think. This in > conjunction with Motorcycle Awareness and You Month (May) for which the AMA > has plenty backup material for anyone wanting to get the word out via press > releases, flyers, etc. Contact: Sean Maher 614 891-2425x265. (For those > inclined ask about the hefty State Motorcycle Safety Administrators Idea > Sampler -- many good looking posters, stickers, etc.) > > o There was so much in this traffic story from another list -- > > This is the transcript of an ACTUAL radio conversation of a US naval > ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October, > 1995. Radio conversation released by the Chief of Naval > Operations10-10-95. > > >.Americans: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to > avoid a Collision. > >Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the > South to avoid a collision. > >Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, > divert YOUR course. > >Canadians: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course. > >Americans: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS LINCOLN, THE > SECOND LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES' > ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE > DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND NUMEROUS > SUPPORT VESSELS. I DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE > YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH, THAT'S ONE > FIVE DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTER-MEASURES > WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF > THIS SHIP. > >Canadians: This is a lighthouse. It's your call. > > Hmmm. Did either side show the bird flag as they passed? > > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette > > >Speaking of stickers, > snip > >Where the hell do these come from!!?? > snip > > Bill Swanson / DC > 96 EN500 LTD > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > > > X-Priority: 3 > X-Msmail-Priority: Normal > X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 10:10:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06024; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10969; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com (known [128.126.171.13] [128.126.171.13]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13776 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6468.7AE36060@XXXXXX>; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:07:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: John Varhol's death Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:07:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 22 TEXT >>Please delete John Varhol's name from your mailing list. He died 2 weeks >>ago I take it none of us knew him. What a shock! Attention Lurkers, participate and been known. This really bothers me - here's this man, reads all the crap we discuss everyday, may have even posted a few times and we didn't even know him well enough to know he died. That sucks! Tracy Tracy Horstman UNIX System Admin Lockheed Martin Mission Systems 9255 Wellington Road Manassas, VA 20110 Phone: (703) 367-2981 Fax: (703) 367-1392 E-mail: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 10:29:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06258; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11235; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loas.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14305 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28710 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:27:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12419 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804101428.KAA12419@shell.clark.net> Subject: Motorcycle Parking at NIH To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:28:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Next week I'll be attending a Deaf/Hard-of-Hearing conference being held at NIH in Bethesda. I know parking there is a nightmare, and hope to come in via motorcycle. Does anyone on this list work there? Can you tell me where I am likely to find motorcycle parking spaces? Last time I rode there, last year, it took me 20 minutes to find a motorcycle parking space that didn't have a car sitting in it! Or would I be better off leaving the motorcycle and taking the metro? Thanks, Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | Entrant #19, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 10:43:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06448; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11365; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov (known gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov [130.14.71.63]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14643 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:42:29 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:42:15 -0400 From: Sandy Triolo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Parking at NIH The metro is the best bet for NIH, although if you are going to Natcher for the conference, there is motorcycle parking in the Lister Hill building, 38A (tall black office building across from Natcher) in the garage on the first level. Its on the left as you pull into the garage. Sandy >>> Louis F. Caplan 04/10 10:28 AM >>> Next week I'll be attending a Deaf/Hard-of-Hearing conference being held at NIH in Bethesda. I know parking there is a nightmare, and hope to come in via motorcycle. Does anyone on this list work there? Can you tell me where I am likely to find motorcycle parking spaces? Last time I rode there, last year, it took me 20 minutes to find a motorcycle parking space that didn't have a car sitting in it! Or would I be better off leaving the motorcycle and taking the metro? Thanks, Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | Entrant #19, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 10:46:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06525; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11389; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14743 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p205.smart.net [206.97.127.205]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22387; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:45:33 -0400 Message-ID: <352E2F8F.DB790764@smart.net> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:41:22 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Deal's Gap References: <001f01bd647b$33917e50$37163495@ztyrlik.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zbigniew J. Tyrlik wrote: > One more thing - looks like there will be a nice weather Saturday and > Sunday. > Anyone interested in doing open part of BRP and short visit to Summit Point > ? > > I will probably leave Ashbrun around 9-nish, so if there is an interest we > can hook together. I'd be interested in a Sunday ride, Zbigniew. I just need to be home in time for Masters coverage at 4pm. Going to Summit with the Roy Turner-led group on Saturday, leaving from Springfield. Let me know your plans and I may meet you. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX '94 ZX-11D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 10:56:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06616; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11451; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail4.geocities.com [209.1.224.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14919 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA03705; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352E3267.11063152@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:53:27 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shephar1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Summit Point References: <352E2A9C.675C@ix.netcom.com> <352E16B6.B709139C@geocities.com> <352E3077.6C61@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unfortunately, to get in on Saturday costs $20 (includes camping and Sunday), Sunday only is $15... For cornerworking, you pay to get in, then they reimburse you generally around lunchtime. CT Ken S. wrote: > Might just do that, but wasn't sure how to get in at the gate for just > a short while while not cornerworking. Isn't it something like $15.00 or > $20.00 at the gate, or something like that for admission. Or do you > just flash the MARRC card and go straight in? -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 14:46:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09989; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14543; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21676 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA09083 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:44:52 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:44:52 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , "'shephar1@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Summit Point Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:47:19 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 30 TEXT If you're on MARRC's list for the weekend, they'll have your name on a list at the gate and you won't have to $hell out buck$ to get in. Michael J. >-----Original Message----- >From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 10, 1998 10:53 >To: shephar1@XXXXXX >Cc: dc-cycles >Subject: Re: Summit Point > >Unfortunately, to get in on Saturday costs $20 (includes camping and >Sunday), Sunday only is $15... >For cornerworking, you pay to get in, then they reimburse you generally >around lunchtime. >CT > >Ken S. wrote: > >> Might just do that, but wasn't sure how to get in at the gate for >>just >> a short while while not cornerworking. Isn't it something like $15.00 or >> $20.00 at the gate, or something like that for admission. Or do you >> just flash the MARRC card and go straight in? > >-- >Collin T. Fagan >(202) 366-0067 (work) >(703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 14:50:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10056; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14572; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21775 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA09613 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:49:19 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:49:19 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Totally off subject Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:51:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 10 TEXT Louis said: >I'll be attending a Deaf/Hard-of-Hearing conference Why don't we say "Hard-of-Seeing" for people who have problems seeing or "Hard-of-Thinking" for BDCs (see! - Motorcycle content!!) Michael (looking for enlightenment) J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 15:16:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10490; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14820; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dsava.com (known virginia.dsava.com [192.234.181.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22440 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by virginia.dsava.com id <26882>; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:12:31 -0400 Message-Id: <98Apr10.151231edt.26882@virginia.dsava.com> From: "Chris Hamlett" To: Subject: Re: John Varhol's death Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:15:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Here's what I found at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-04/02/192l-040298-idx.html. I didn't know him, but I'm guessing by his e-mail address and the date it's the same person. Motorcycle content: >From http://www.micapeak.com/Ducati/IDOL/docs/beltss.html I'd guess he had a 1992 Ducati 900SS. -------- Washington Post Notice -------- John Kevin Varhol Contracts Specialist John Kevin Varhol, 40, a contracts liaison specialist who had worked for the Environmental Protection Agency since the 1980s, died of cardiac arrest March 28 at Inova Alexandria Hospital. He lived in Alexandria. Mr. Varhol was also a musician who played mandolin and mandola with the Takoma Mandoleers for more than 20 years. He also played bass balalaika with the Washington Balalaika Orchestra and participated in bluegrass bands. He was born in Okinawa, where his father was stationed with the Army, and had lived in the Washington area off and on since childhood. He was a graduate of Bishop Ireton High School in Alexandria and Syracuse University. Survivors include his parents, Col. Michael Varhol and Mary Varhol, both of Alexandria; three sisters, Mary Dorsey of Birmingham, Mich., Eileen Prendergast of Weston, Conn., and Anne Ginsburg of Boca Raton, Fla.; and two brothers, Michael Varhol of Los Angeles and Charles Varhol of Alexandria. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 10 16:25:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11495; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15686; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (known tcs-gateway2.treas.gov [204.151.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA24385 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov id AA02889 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:23:12 -0400 Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-2); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:23:12 -0400 Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-1); Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:23:12 -0400 Message-Id: <9029AADD5E6AD111A22C0060084129453162CB@DC02> From: Wu Don To: "John C. Kozyn" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Summit Pt Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:24:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Anyone, if you are riding up early Sat. or Sun. to cornerwork and wouldn't mind company, please give me a call (don't email) to arrange a meeting time and location. I live in S. Arlington and will be up at least til midnite. Don 998-3045 > ---------- > From: John C. Kozyn[SMTP:jckozyn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 10, 1998 2:42 AM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Summit Pt > > Hey Gang, > > Todd, Ralph, Brian et al... I'll be there both days too. I'll be > leaving > Arlington at 0530 hrs and should get there a few minutes or so after > 0715. I generally stop at my halfway point, which is HillTop > Restaurant > for a cuppa java. See y'all bright and early on Saturday. > > -- > John Kozyn > "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 11 11:50:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21600; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02739; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09448 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([199.234.148.79]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 494 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:48:17 -0400 Message-ID: <352F9183.C36750B6@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:51:32 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Cool ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I made it home to Mom & Dad's in Pennsylvania! Got kind of cold at highway speeds in lower 40 degree temps, but promptly got warmed up with hot cinnamon rolls that Dad had made (he's a man of many talents, that he is! :-) I think the Connie will be ridiculously easy to rack up huge miles with. After a full day of work, and then a couple of frantic hours getting kids and stuff packed into the chase cage, we hit the highway at 7:05 pm. I already had 65 miles on the tripmeter from the commute to and from work. Took 95 to the Beltway to 270 to 70 to the PA turnpike in Breezewood. Turnpike to I 79, 79 N to Mercer, PA. The trip was great, even if it started to get cold as soon as the sun went down. Fortunately I had every piece of gear with me, and layered well. I probably looked like the Michelen Man wearing a space suit, but I stayed warm enough until about Pittsburgh, but by then I was on the home stretch. We got to my parent's house at 1:30 am, cold but happy. Total mileage for the day (well, I guess two days technically) including the commute was 417 miles. I'm ready to do it again! :-) Happy Easter everyone! Take care! Dale (the Horkster) & Tracy and Family 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 11 20:52:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27087; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07117; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16944 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVR8XBT34G8ZM1LN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:49:25 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:41:07 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:41:07 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:21:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Squidly pricks on beltway 4/11/98 To: dc-cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E1391ZXIHTJXNH X400-MTS-identifier: [;70140211408991/2523765@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 While heading home on the beltway this evening I was passed by 20 or so pricks on sportbikes (GSXR-750s, RRs, etc). Here's the situation, I'm heading north on 95 in PG county approaching Kenilworth Ave. I'm going 80mph in the left lane (everyone in the left lane was doing 80...) and the other lanes are loaded with traffic doing 65-75. I looked in the mirrors and saw a single bright headlight approaching (remember, I'm already doing 80). I got passed like I was standing still, and they passed me in my lane. Then, the rest of the group came zooming by, some on the shoulder, some splitting lanes at 100mph, etc. I definitely felt threatened but I held my line to avoid being hit by one of these !@#$ riders. I wonder how many of those guys could stay in front of me on US250. Well, that's not the point. Those guys were nuts and were taking the lives of everyone on a crowded highway for granted. If you wonder why sportbikes have a bad name... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 11 22:54:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28614; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09162; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18650 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id VAA08312 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:53:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA32597 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:53:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.41.110.45]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980412025339.EOCL500@XXXXXX> for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:53:39 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Summit Point Sunday Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:53:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bd65be$2f35f9a0$bb6e29a6@LJTanner.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal >From the department of failing to plan ahead: Anyone else wanna go to Summit point tomorrow? Sorta short notice, but I just decided. If so, send back or call me at 703-690-4763. I'm want to leave around 10am. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 12 08:23:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01821; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17289; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22650 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA27282 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 07:21:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv2-05.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.69) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma027278; Sun Apr 12 07:21:20 1998 Message-ID: <3530DBDC.2AF0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:21:01 -0700 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Looking for Pic of Eighties era BMW R80? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have a pic, or know of a site with a pic of a Mid Eighties around 87 BMW R80 Motorcycle. Specifically the Standard R80 not an RT or GS version. Would you send me the URL or email it. Thanks..... -- Ken S. 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 12 12:29:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03095; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24947; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24359 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id INORa02092; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:27:50 -0500 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: <58458e77.3530eb88@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:27:50 EDT To: ROYK@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Squidly pricks on beltway 4/11/98 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Its a damn shame. But your right, alot of sport bike riders think they have the ultimate handling vehicle and wanna push it. I know, its gone through my head too on morethan one occasion, but I wish some these guys would slip up once and what happens when you screw around at that speed. Maybe then they could control their adrenaline-induced visions of being invincible. Sean P. Ride Free! '93 CBR600F2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 12 16:20:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05300; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29509; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.37]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27371 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id LXHKa02805; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:19:05 -0500 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: <61bfb6b1.353121bb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:19:05 EDT To: shephar1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Looking for Pic of Eighties era BMW R80? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-04-12 08:30:20 EDT, shephar1@XXXXXX writes: > > Does anyone have a pic, or know of a site with a pic of a Mid Eighties > around 87 BMW R80 Motorcycle. Specifically the Standard R80 not an RT > or GS version. Would you send me the URL or email it. Thanks..... > -- I don't know if you need a scanned version or not. I imagine the source below can provide a print version. I don't know if he will provide scanned versions. He basically is a used motorcycle magazine dealer. He will do a free search for you to identify any articles that were ever written on a particular model of motorcycle. The search will also let you know what articles he has in stock. I had him do a search for me but have never bought anything from him. The search was fast, free and seemed thorough. Mark Sommerfield Website - Click the address and take a look! - - http://www.motorcyclememories.com This takes you to Our Secure Server - - http://www.motorcyclememories.com/orderfrm.html Sale On The Magazines At This Site - http://www.motorcyclememories.com/mags.htm Your Search is taken from our database of nearly 14,000 collectibles we have cataloged during our 7 year history. If you have any questions check our Website, email or give me a call. If we can't help you locate what you need,we will do our best to send you to someone who can. Sincerely Dale P.S. We depend heavily on referals to find literature and attract new customers. If you will let your friends know about our service and if you run across any literature you can't use we would like to buy it. dj Motorcycle Memories Robbie "Dale" Jackson 6784 Camp John Rd. Millington, TN 38053 Phone/Fax 901-876-6883 Email mcyclemem@XXXXXX Visit our Website often Most frequent ask questions 1. Are these original items? Yes 2. Do I get the entire magazine or a copy? The whole magazine New - For your conveniece try our Secure Server - linked to our Home Page - http://www.moto From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 12 16:26:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05387; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29565; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27463 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1KZPa02676 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:25:46 -0500 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:25:46 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: motorcycle alarm Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 I was just given a Quorum JM-100S motorcycle alarm. Does anyone have any advice on installing it? Do they work better mounted in particular locations? I'll be putting it on my 1981 GPz550. Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 12 19:07:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07155; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 19:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02592; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 19:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29596 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 19:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id IUADa01930; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 19:06:20 -0500 (EDT) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 19:06:20 EDT To: ROYK@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Squidly pricks on beltway 4/11/98 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 I understand but just want to add that me & my CB-1 do NOT ride like that :D Marcy In a message dated 98-04-11 20:57:22 EDT, ROYK@XXXXXX writes: << If you wonder why sportbikes have a bad name... Kirk >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 12 23:09:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09510; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08097; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03068 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1LWKa02091; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:08:09 -0500 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: <8e29fa5a.3531819b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:08:09 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Need advice on a tire buy Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Just found a nail in my almost like new bridgestone battleaxe. Tomorrow Im going to get a new one put on, havent decided whether I should stick with the bridgestone (which also gives me 10% off the price) or go with the Avon Azzaro. I have a 93 cbr 600 f2, and Im looking for good cornering ability and grip. Any thoughts? Or does anyone know of any better tire that is usually in stock at cycle shops? Sean Ride Free! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 01:28:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA11095; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 01:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10684; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 01:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA04621 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 01:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA05406; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 01:35:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 01:35:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: CloudsAbv9 cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need advice on a tire buy In-Reply-To: <8e29fa5a.3531819b@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Have you considered removing the tire and patching it? --garcia On Sun, 12 Apr 1998, CloudsAbv9 wrote: > Just found a nail in my almost like new bridgestone battleaxe. Tomorrow Im > going to get a new one put on, havent decided whether I should stick with the > bridgestone (which also gives me 10% off the price) or go with the Avon > Azzaro. I have a 93 cbr 600 f2, and Im looking for good cornering ability and > grip. Any thoughts? Or does anyone know of any better tire that is usually > in stock at cycle shops? > > Sean > Ride Free! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 09:05:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13855; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12992; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08967 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-73.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.73]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id JAA06355; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980413090041.00a35d30@wingate> X-Sender: true911#postoffice.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:00:41 -0400 To: CloudsAbv9 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Balt-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Need advice on a tire buy In-Reply-To: <8e29fa5a.3531819b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm really pleased with my Azaros, period. Unfortunately, I've never tried the Battleaxe, and when I got these I was coming from previous-generation Dunlops, so my comparative experience is limited. :) MET At 11:08 PM 4/12/98 EDT, CloudsAbv9 wrote: >Just found a nail in my almost like new bridgestone battleaxe. Tomorrow Im >going to get a new one put on, havent decided whether I should stick with the >bridgestone (which also gives me 10% off the price) or go with the Avon >Azzaro. I have a 93 cbr 600 f2, and Im looking for good cornering ability and >grip. Any thoughts? Or does anyone know of any better tire that is usually >in stock at cycle shops? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 09:13:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13914; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13051; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09088 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id AF8123C04F2; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:13:37 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980413083115.00f76740@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:31:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: More Speedvision Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I got this comment from MediaGeneral Cable about putting more Speedvision on cable. Unfortunately, I think all these Grand Prix races are with vehicles with too many wheels. :-) Chris Norloff >From: info@XXXXXX >Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:41:34 -0400 >Subject: Re: More Speedvision >To: Chris Norloff >Content-Description: cc:Mail note part > > Thanks for writing with your comments about Speedvision. > > Media General Cable has made arrangements to air the following events > of the Formula One Racing Schedule: > > Argentina Grand Prix Sunday - April 12 11:30 am - 2:00 pm > San Morino Grand Prix Sunday - April 26 7:30 am - 10:00 am > Spanish Grand Prix Sunday - May 10 7:30 am - 10:00 am > Monaco Grand Prix Sunday - May 24 8:00 am - 10:30 am > Canadian Grand Prix Sunday - June 7 12:30 pm - 3:00 pm > French Grand Prix Sunday - June 28 7:30 am - 10:00 am > British Grand Prix Sunday - July 12 8:30 am - 11:00 am > Austrian Grand Prix Sunday - July 26 7:30 am - 10:00 am > German Grand Prix Sunday - August 2 7:30 am - 10:00 am > Hungarian Grand Prix Sunday - August 16 7:30 am - 10:00 am > Belgian Grand Prix Sunday - August 30 7:30 am - 10:00 am > Italian Grand Prix Sunday - Sept 13 7:30 am - 10:00 am > Luxemborg Grand Prix Sunday - Sept 27 7:30 am - 10:00 am > Japanese Grand Prix Saturday - Oct 31 10:30 pm - 1:00 am > > We know you all will enjoy this programming. Thank you for being > subscribers. > > Also, click to our "Online TV Guide" for a listing of all the > programming for Speedvision. > > > > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: More Speedvision >Author: Chris Norloff at INET_PO >Date: 4/8/98 7:37 AM > > >Please air Speedvision more - 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week. > >thank you, >Chris Norloff >Falls Church, VA > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 09:13:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13918; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13055; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09091 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id AF8423C04F2; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:13:40 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980413090459.00ef48d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:04:59 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Kicked my first car In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:38 AM 4/10/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >>1. Even louder horns. Not just your basic loud aftermarket horns, but BF >>Trucker horns or locomotive horns. I know you can get physically >>impractical here, but something loud enough to cause a heart attack would >>be nice. > >You just have the wrong bike. Lots of Wingers (and FL and RT folks) have >horns with rather sizable compressors attached. Some even plumb it into >their existing onboard compressors. Lessens the lag time from traditional >compressor horns. I've had air horns on two bikes, but they pooped out after a while. Also, the latest set sounded too shrill (trumpets too short, I'd say). The current horns are Fiamm electric horns, sold as "Freeway Blasters" at Trak Auto. They have a good big-fat-American-car sound that gets a bit more respect. What I'd really like is a two-foot truckers horn with an air compressor and its own air tank. Might need to upgrade the front springs, though. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 09:23:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13964; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13190; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09258 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA08487 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:26:36 -0400 Message-ID: <35321166.E9A722D0@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:21:42 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need advice on a tire buy References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with you garcia . . . my first thoughts were whether it would fit anything I own. it doesn't. Leon - who's never ridden on a tire with more than two plugs in it. (the tread keeps wearing out) Garcia Oliver wrote: > > Have you considered removing the tire and patching it? > > --garcia > > On Sun, 12 Apr 1998, CloudsAbv9 wrote: > > > Just found a nail in my almost like new bridgestone battleaxe. Tomorrow Im > > going to get a new one put on, havent decided whether I should stick with the > > bridgestone (which also gives me 10% off the price) or go with the Avon > > Azzaro. I have a 93 cbr 600 f2, and Im looking for good cornering ability and > > grip. Any thoughts? Or does anyone know of any better tire that is usually > > in stock at cycle shops? > > > > Sean > > Ride Free! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 09:34:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14081; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13283; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09427 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2T719KJB>; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:29:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: More Confessions of angry bikers? Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:32:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Proving that it is far better to give than to receive > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Foreman [SMTP:gforeman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 3:08 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: More Confessions of angry bikers? > > I am not proud of this, and in this day and time I wouldn't do it, but I > once had a lady toss her cigarette out right in my lap. At the next stop > light, I pulled up beside her, motioned to her, and she rolled the window > down thinking I was going to tell her something was wrong with her car, > and > I tossed it back in her lap and yelled "You dropped something". While she > was scrambling, the light changed, and I was gone. > Now days I'd probably be shot. > > > Gary Foreman > gforeman@XXXXXX > http://www.fj1100.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 10:10:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15119; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13619; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11104 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server (client196-126-28.bellatlantic.net [151.196.126.28]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id KAA11987 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009001bd66e5$50ee9980$1c7ec497@server> From: "Franz" To: Subject: Reply--advice on tire buy Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:59:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01BD66C2.CC1BBB60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BD66C2.CC1BBB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean, I am currently using metzler ME-Z1 on my cbr 600 and they are the best I have ever used. Good luck. F.Muller ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BD66C2.CC1BBB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sean,
I am currently using metzler ME-Z1 = on my cbr 600=20 and they are the best I have ever used. Good luck.
 
F.Muller
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BD66C2.CC1BBB60-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 10:12:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15136; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13633; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11162 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-189.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.189]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA09857 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:15:22 -0400 Message-ID: <35321CCD.92504DC5@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:10:21 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Cylinder walls. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got my 'old' EX250 motor apart this weekend and made a couple of interesting discoveries. After 34K miles of hard use, it started losing power, I thought it was bad valves. First the head is still in good shape, and the intake tracts had been cleaned up and polished. I'll probably put this head on the current motor. The valves still seem to be in good enough shape that it isn't worth replacing them. The cylinder walls are a different matter. The back side of the left wall is badly scuffed. The skirt of the piston is also scuffed and discolored. Based on the intermittent lack of power and the fact that it continued to run, these marks are consistent with the symptoms of the problem. What causes a piston to do that? Is there something I need to check/fix so that it doesn't happen again? I probably won't fix this motor, but if the carbs or head could be the cause, I'd like to prevent it so I don't have to swap motors every year. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 10:41:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15712; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15465; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11900 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id KAA05571; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35322435.6FAE2DBF@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:41:57 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Cylinder walls. References: <35321CCD.92504DC5@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit since it is only one cylinder and in only one area Check the valves on that side of the head carefully. Is there anything driven off that side of the motor that could be pulling the crank? Good luck!! Leon Begeman wrote: > I got my 'old' EX250 motor apart this weekend and made a couple of > interesting discoveries. After 34K miles of hard use, it started losing > power, I thought it was bad valves. > > First the head is still in good shape, and the intake tracts had been > cleaned up and polished. I'll probably put this head on the current > motor. The valves still seem to be in good enough shape that it isn't > worth replacing them. > > The cylinder walls are a different matter. The back side of the left > wall is badly scuffed. The skirt of the piston is also scuffed and > discolored. Based on the intermittent lack of power and the fact that > it continued to run, these marks are consistent with the symptoms of the > problem. What causes a piston to do that? Is there something I need to > check/fix so that it doesn't happen again? I probably won't fix this > motor, but if the carbs or head could be the cause, I'd like to prevent > it so I don't have to swap motors every year. > Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 11:20:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16559; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16497; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13450 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA29940 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:17:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA19619 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:16:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980413150646.INQJ500@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:06:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Calling Sash Dow.... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980413150646.INQJ500@[166.41.242.141]> Sash if your listening, give me a call. I need my cover for this weekend. Todd 703.644.2695 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 11:55:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17308; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18106; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14839 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVTIMYVROG8ZMGTI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:51:24 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:44:47 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:44:47 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:44:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Need advice on a tire buy In-reply-to: <8e29fa5a.3531819b@aol.com> To: CloudsAbv9 , dc-cycles , Balt-cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1115III2J12Q X400-MTS-identifier: [;74441131408991/2526215@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Just found a nail in my almost like new bridgestone battleaxe. >Tomorrow Im going to get a new one put on, havent decided whether >I should stick with the bridgestone (which also gives me 10% off the >price) or go with the Avon Azzaro. I have a 93 cbr 600 f2, and Im >looking for good cornering ability and grip. Any thoughts? Or does >anyone know of any better tire that is usually in stock at cycle >shops? The Metzeler MEZ-1 is usually stocked in sizes for your bike. These tires stick, when cold, about the same as a BT-50 Battleaxe does when warm (there are better tires with the Battleaxe designation). When the MEZ-1s are warm they stick like glue. Pirelli Dragon Corsas are the same tire with a different tread. While I had the BT-50s on I had to be careful about being smooth with the throttle while leaned over. Otherwise, the rear end could kick around a bit. With the MEZ-1s I can be pretty sloppy and they still stick. I have not found the limits of the MEZ-1s for street usage. There is a new version out or coming out. I think it's the MEZ-3. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 12:14:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17576; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19072; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15443 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVTJBCBM3K8ZMC5P@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:11:10 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:09:54 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:09:54 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:09:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Rockville to Centerville in evening rush hour To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1119III2MA3K X400-MTS-identifier: [;45902131408991/2526282@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 Could anyone suggest (in private mail, no need to clog the group up) a good route for getting from the Congressional area of Rockville out to Centerville? I'm hoping for something better than the beltway to 66. Thanks, Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 12:20:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17752; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19568; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15701 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2T719QMV>; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:19:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Need advice on a tire buy Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:22:38 -0400 Sensitivity: Company-Confidential MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sounds like an opportunity for a public (or at least dc-cycles) service -- buy some Dunlop D207GPs, run them into the ground, and let us know how you liked them ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, April 13, 1998 11:45 AM > To: CloudsAbv9; dc-cycles; Balt-cycles > Subject: Re: Need advice on a tire buy > Sensitivity: Confidential > > >Just found a nail in my almost like new bridgestone battleaxe. > >Tomorrow Im going to get a new one put on, havent decided whether > >I should stick with the bridgestone (which also gives me 10% off the > >price) or go with the Avon Azzaro. I have a 93 cbr 600 f2, and Im > >looking for good cornering ability and grip. Any thoughts? Or does > >anyone know of any better tire that is usually in stock at cycle > >shops? > > The Metzeler MEZ-1 is usually stocked in sizes for your bike. These > tires stick, when cold, about the same as a BT-50 Battleaxe does when > warm (there are better tires with the Battleaxe designation). When the > MEZ-1s are warm they stick like glue. Pirelli Dragon Corsas are the same > tire with a different tread. > > While I had the BT-50s on I had to be careful about being smooth with > the throttle while leaned over. Otherwise, the rear end could kick > around a bit. With the MEZ-1s I can be pretty sloppy and they still > stick. I have not found the limits of the MEZ-1s for street usage. There > is a new version out or coming out. I think it's the MEZ-3. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 12:22:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17775; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19611; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15733 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 1LDHa23732 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:20:21 -0500 (EDT) From: MJordan666 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:20:21 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cylinder walls. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 In a message dated 98-04-13 10:19:05 EDT, mrider@XXXXXX writes: << The cylinder walls are a different matter. The back side of the left wall is badly scuffed. The skirt of the piston is also scuffed and discolored >> I'm presently going through the same thing at work with one of my diesel generators (5" diameter piston). In a word - overheating. Something is causing that cylinder to run hotter than it should. Piston skirt expands and you have contact. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 13:07:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18356; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20756; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17077 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id MAA05868 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35323CCA.3D7E2658@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:26:50 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: [Fwd: Need advice on a tire buy] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A674D783B19EE46FA6110F7A" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A674D783B19EE46FA6110F7A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------A674D783B19EE46FA6110F7A Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <35323CAD.F5A51B0A@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:26:21 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Need advice on a tire buy References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone had any problems with a plugged tire? I have a very small nail in my street tire that I need to fix. As it is now I lose about 3 lbs a week. I will be putting ALOT of long rides on this tire this summer and I have been know to go 130 for 5 or 10 minutes at a time. Kirk Roy wrote: > >Just found a nail in my almost like new bridgestone battleaxe. > >Tomorrow Im going to get a new one put on, havent decided whether > >I should stick with the bridgestone (which also gives me 10% off the > >price) or go with the Avon Azzaro. I have a 93 cbr 600 f2, and Im > >looking for good cornering ability and grip. Any thoughts? Or does > >anyone know of any better tire that is usually in stock at cycle > >shops? > > The Metzeler MEZ-1 is usually stocked in sizes for your bike. These > tires stick, when cold, about the same as a BT-50 Battleaxe does when > warm (there are better tires with the Battleaxe designation). When the > MEZ-1s are warm they stick like glue. Pirelli Dragon Corsas are the same > tire with a different tread. > > While I had the BT-50s on I had to be careful about being smooth with > the throttle while leaned over. Otherwise, the rear end could kick > around a bit. With the MEZ-1s I can be pretty sloppy and they still > stick. I have not found the limits of the MEZ-1s for street usage. There > is a new version out or coming out. I think it's the MEZ-3. > > Kirk --------------A674D783B19EE46FA6110F7A-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 13:31:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18932; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21021; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV (known donald.cder.fda.gov [150.148.27.213]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18331 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IVTM0PED008ZMGWE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:26:40 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:19:13 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:19:13 -0400 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:18:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Subject: FWD: The real deal on tires To: DC Cycles , Balt-cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_1wQxQeaey4GJ6JVp/99iYA)" Posting-date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1129III2V9CG X400-MTS-identifier: [;31913131408991/2526718@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 --Boundary_(ID_1wQxQeaey4GJ6JVp/99iYA) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII --Boundary_(ID_1wQxQeaey4GJ6JVp/99iYA) Content-type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:28:05 EDT From: Quentin Mise Subject: The real deal on tires To: ROYK Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Delivery-date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:31:00 EDT Posting-date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:29:45 EDT Importance: normal A1-type: MAIL Hello Kirk, and the Baltimore cycles list: Kirk, please take this email I send you, and forward it to the entire list. As of now you are the only person who can read this, I'm having errors with my email system, and could only reply directly to you, so please forward this to the rest of the listing. My name is Quentin Mise, I live in Glen Burnie, and I've been reading all of the discussion regarding tires lately. I'm about to give you all the, "real deal as it applies in reality" to sport bike tires. Many of you already have your own opinions, and you're welcome to dismiss this letter if you wish, but I'll take a moment to outline my credentials so that maybe I'll be able to enlighten you guys, and save you all some money. I'm a professional motorcycle road racer and I'll be competing in five different sanctioning bodies. WERA, CCS, GLRRA, Fasttrax, and the AMA nationals. In the past three years I've won seven championships at the regional level, and two overall championships and the king of the Nelson Ledges Road Racing series, (now known as Fasttrax.) Ok, now that the credibility is established, here's the skinny. Motorcycle tires, like any other component in the laws of physics, are all just a matter of compromise. There are three major factors to consider in the purchase of a DOT street tire. Racing slicks add more to the mix, but street tires only have three factors involved. Durability, traction, and price. Period. Unfortuneately, these three don't always go up or down in proportion to one another. For example, I've ridden on tires that cost a bundle, but burned up in ten laps. That's impracticle, even for racing. I've ridden on high mileage tires that I couldn't race on, so that didn't work either. The key is to find YOUR use for a tire, decide how long it needs to last YOU, decide how much grip YOU need, and finally, how much YOU want to pay for that tire. If the ultimate in sticky is needed, then buy a race compound Dunlop 207, or a Battleaxe BT58, they stick equally as well, thought the Bridgestone is a bit less expensive. Neither of these tires last for crap though, on the track we're only getting about 25 laps, or 50 miles, and this of course depends of the facility I'm riding at, and the surface of the pavement, temperature, etc.etc.. But on the street you should get a couple thousand miles out of them. Now when I had a street bike, I was more concerned about mileage than ultimate grip, so I bought the Metzeler ME99 rears, and the mileage version of the Lazer 33 fronts. Good long lasting tires that could still be used in the rain, and they were very reasonable. The tire that is right for the hotshot who thinks he's a bad-but spode boy might not last long enough for the practical rider, who wants to ride more than they wrench, and who doesn't go over their head in an effort to pose coolness. Likewise, if budget is your ultimate concern, and you ride very conservatively, then the tires you use won't be any good for said spode boy. IN ANY CASE, IF YOU RIDE OVER THE LIMIT OF ANY, ANY, ANY, COMMERCIALLY PRODUCED MOTORCYCLE TIRE ON THE STREET, THEN YOU NEED TO GET OFF, OFF OFF OF THE STREET, AND GET ONTO A RACE TRACK. Riding that hard on the street is a very stupid thing to do, and though you may have gotten away with it so far, it's going to get you eventually. So if you find yourself needing to buy race compound rubber just to go to the store, then you'd better get involved in some amateur racing, and then you'll be mature enough to calm down on the street, and hopefully you'll stay alive longer. If anyone is interested in getting involved with a racing class, or going to the track, or if you have any questions on how to get involved, please feel free to send me a private email to quentin.mise@XXXXXX, or post it through the listing if you'd like. I'll be more than glad to help get aggressive riding off of the street, where it brings us a bad name, and onto the track where it belongs. Oh, and Sean, please don't patch that tire. If you need a tire for you bike, send me a note, (plus, that way I'll know that my email is at least getting out of the building,) I may have something for you. I know is sucks to flatten out a brand new one, but please, don't patch it. Thanks Kirk for forwarding this for me, and take care folks, and please, don't race on the street.-Quentin Mise --Boundary_(ID_1wQxQeaey4GJ6JVp/99iYA) Content-type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:31:21 EDT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Importance: normal A1-type: DOCUMENT RFC-822-headers: Received: from gatekeeper.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) with SMTP id <01IVTJXK5LTC8ZMHJH@XXXXXX> for ROYK@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:26:24 EDT Received: from ferc.fed.us by gatekeeper.cder.fda.gov; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/19Sep95-0726PM) id AA16249; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:27:45 -0400 Received: from ferc3.ferc.fed.us by [208.207.43.2] via smtpd (for gatekeeper.cder.FDA.gov [150.148.28.20]) with SMTP; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:18:00 +0000 (UT) Received: from ferc.fed.us by ferc.fed.us (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA03028; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:27:46 -0400 Received: from HQDOMAIN1-Message_Server by ferc.fed.us with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:28:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Content-disposition: inline --Boundary_(ID_1wQxQeaey4GJ6JVp/99iYA)-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 13:31:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18961; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21032; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18365 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11089 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980413133223.0069baf0@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 13 Apr 1998 17:30:43 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:32:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Insurance: AMF Allstate Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just got my renewal notice from Allstate. Despite my (surprisingly) clean driving record, 30-35 age group, and type of bike, my premium was going to be nearly $2,000 per year for full coverage on the Beemer. Fifteen minutes later I was confirmed with Progressive for $451 per year, even without having other vehicles with them. Previously, Allstate wouldn't insure the bike unless I had an existing car policy with them. I'll enjoy calling my Allstate guy to cancel. These companies continue to amaze me with their alleged support of motorcycle insurance, while arbitrarily discouraging ownership of anything over 700 cc's or with a scary-sounding name. In 1993, Geico wouldn't insure anything named "Ninja," even a 250. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 13:42:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19191; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21184; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18737 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA15399; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980413134238.006a3aa4@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 13 Apr 1998 17:40:54 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:42:38 -0400 To: jay goddard From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: [Fwd: Need advice on a tire buy] Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: <35323CCA.3D7E2658@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:26 PM 4/13/98 -0400, jay goddard wrote: >Has anyone had any problems with a plugged tire? I have a very small nail >in my street tire that I need to fix. As it is now I lose about 3 lbs a >week. I will be putting ALOT of long rides on this tire this summer and I >have been know to go 130 for 5 or 10 minutes at a time. Jay, For the type of riding you do, you should probably view the plugged tired like the mini-spare on a car: it will get you home and allow you to do some modest driving until you replace it. Two years ago, I got a nail in a nearly-new $150 Battlax on the back of my ZX-11. As much as I hated to buy and mount a new one, I would never trust a plugged tire at my customary speeds. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 14:58:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20816; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22060; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21579 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA2613 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:49:33 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:56:02 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:57:22 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: hgg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Insurance: AMF Allstate -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I'm with Progressive, which I've found to be relatively bike-friendly, but even so, I never use the "N" word when talking to insurance people. "ZX 900" will have to do. Joe '85 900 Ninja >>> "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." - 4/13/98 1:32 PM >>> I just got my renewal notice from Allstate. Despite my (surprisingly) clean driving record, 30-35 age group, and type of bike, my premium was going to be nearly $2,000 per year for full coverage on the Beemer. Fifteen minutes later I was confirmed with Progressive for $451 per year, even without having other vehicles with them. Previously, Allstate wouldn't insure the bike unless I had an existing car policy with them. I'll enjoy calling my Allstate guy to cancel. These companies continue to amaze me with their alleged support of motorcycle insurance, while arbitrarily discouraging ownership of anything over 700 cc's or with a scary-sounding name. In 1993, Geico wouldn't insure anything named "Ninja," even a 250. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 16:41:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22743; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23640; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25240 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:39:49 -0400 (EDT) From: temsley@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA03651; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:38:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wil-de1-20.ix.netcom.com(205.184.17.52) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma003617; Mon Apr 13 15:38:22 1998 Message-ID: <353277A9.6DF8@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:38:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC Cycles , Balt-cycles Subject: Re: FWD: The real deal on tires References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quentin, If more people took your precious advice, sport motorcycling's reputation as well as insurance cost would be radically different. Please keep spreading your message. Todd "IN ANY CASE, IF YOU RIDE OVER THE LIMIT OF ANY, ANY, ANY, COMMERCIALLY PRODUCED MOTORCYCLE TIRE ON THE STREET, THEN YOU NEED TO GET OFF, OFF OFF OF THE STREET, AND GET ONTO A RACE TRACK. Riding that hard on the street is a very stupid thing to do, and though you may have gotten away with it so far, it's going to get you eventually. So if you find yourself needing to buy race compound rubber just to go to the store, then you'd better get involved in some amateur racing, and then you'll be mature enough to calm down on the street, and hopefully you'll stay alive longer. If anyone is interested in getting involved with a racing class, or going to the track, or if you have any questions on how to get involved, please feel free to send me a private email to quentin.mise@XXXXXX, or post it through the listing if you'd like. I'll be more than glad to help get aggressive riding off of the street, where it brings us a bad name, and onto the track where it belongs. Oh, and Sean, please don't patch that tire. If you need a tire for you bike, send me a note, (plus, that way I'll know that my email is at least getting out of the building,) I may have something for you. I know is sucks to flatten out a brand new one, but please, don't patch it. Thanks Kirk for forwarding this for me, and take care folks, and please, don't race on the steet"-Quentin Mise From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 16:50:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22831; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23732; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25646 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-231.s231.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.231]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10708; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35327A8A.EDC6E36E@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:50:18 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9 CC: ROYK@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Squidly pricks on beltway 4/11/98 References: <58458e77.3530eb88@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean, Actually, one did slip up really bad last year (according to the emails on the list). Apparently someone on a newer ninja took off from a light WFO (passing a lister's friend going the opposite way) o one of the major commuter routes (in rush hour) and managed to run all the way through the top of third gear (read: triple digits easily) when he smacked right into the side of a schoolbuss making a left hand turn. Needless to say, there was not much of anything (bike or rider) left after impact. Definitely a stupid rider error...the bus driver had know way of judging the bikes speed... CloudsAbv9 wrote: > but I wish some these guys would slip up > once and what happens when you screw around at that speed. Maybe then they > could control their adrenaline-induced visions of being invincible. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 17:05:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23098; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24135; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26086 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p192.smart.net [206.97.127.192]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07668; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:03:44 -0400 Message-ID: <35327CA6.659C1434@smart.net> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:59:19 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance: AMF Allstate References: <3.0.1.32.19980413133223.0069baf0@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's funny....my Allstate quote was half of what I was paying at Progressive. I was happy to make the switch the other way. It would be quite interesting to see the equation each company uses to calculate risk. Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > I just got my renewal notice from Allstate. Despite my (surprisingly) > clean driving record, 30-35 age group, and type of bike, my premium was > going to be nearly $2,000 per year for full coverage on the Beemer. > Fifteen minutes later I was confirmed with Progressive for $451 per year, > even without having other vehicles with them. Previously, Allstate > wouldn't insure the bike unless I had an existing car policy with them. > I'll enjoy calling my Allstate guy to cancel. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 17:39:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23796; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25561; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27184 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p192.smart.net [206.97.127.192]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08879 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:37:34 -0400 Message-ID: <35328495.840F0DA0@smart.net> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:33:10 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Easter Ride (relatively long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Easter Sunday ride report (a combination of Zbig's memory and my editing): Attendees: Craig, Blue TL-1000 (custom paint job....Nice!) Jerry, nice YZF 750 Tom, black ZX-11 Zbigniew, black XX. I was the late arrival in Leesburg, having missed White's Ferry by about 10 yards (less than a minute). No one seemed to mind the extra time to wake/gas up. Craig was the group leader for the entire ride. The pace was (in my opinion) a relatively quick one. The roads were not too crowded. We left Leesburg Amoco via Dry Mill road; took old rt 7 via Hamilton to Purceville; from Purceville via Airmont to Bluemont. Snickerville Road was too bumpy for all except me, as I was riding the couch of the group. So, we slabbed it for 2 miles on rt 7, and left into rt 606 south to reach Rt50. 606 will need to be ridden again soon. It would be nice to know which turns are coming up ;-). Then west on 50 for about a mile, and left (south) on rt 638 (I forget this part....Zbig, was this a good part?). In Linden right onto rd 55, and to Front Royal. From Front Royal rt 522 south (packed, parked) to Flint Hill where we took our first real break. After a brief rest and stretch, Craig convinced us to forget a jaunt down to 211 and assured us that we would find plenty of fun on the next stretch of road. We gladly followed. His route was (I believe) Rt 647 through jerrys Shop, Ada to Marshall; and The Plains. Pork Barbeque sandwich for the second day in a row? Why not. The pork at the BP in The Plains barely edges out the Summit Point sandwich. Should this be considered a recommendation? No. From Plains to Middleburg (no passing zones). Craig was almost turned into roadkill by a speeding, daydreaming idiot in a Jeep Cherokee who didn't even bother slowing down for a one lane bridge. Then rt 50 east where the group broke apart on Gilbert's corner ( rt 50 & 15) Craig and I headed to Leesburg, Jerry and Zbig headed east. Zbig took rt 860 north to Evergreen Mills (690) and headed north, to almost get run over by Craig when he was turning left from 690 into a neighborhood. How Craig got from Leesburg to where he almost hit Zbig we will have to ask him. My ferry luck continued when I arrived at White's for the trip home, finding about 2 full ferryloads of cars waiting. I decided that if I was going to make it home to see the Masters, I would need to find an alternate route.....15 N to Point of Rocks to 28 east all the way back. Zbig wants to make parts of this trip a regular route and will be using GPS and some mapping software (and a laptop?) to get the route pinned down. I'm looking forward to seeing the Blackbird fully loaded with computer equipment sometime soon. Craig did a great job leading the group. Thanks Craig, if you're out there. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 19:46:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25637; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27000; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA00060 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25442; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA08648 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980413194406.008af270@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:44:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Summit this weekend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks to all from the list who stopped by to say hello (sorry I didn't have time to talk) in the pits this weekend. We'll have a race report on the Team Charm home page in a day or two. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 19:46:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25641; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26999; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (known mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA00061 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA08642 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980413194218.008aa4b0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:42:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Cylinder walls. In-Reply-To: <35321CCD.92504DC5@illuminet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:10 AM 4/13/98 -0400, Leon Begeman wrote: >The cylinder walls are a different matter. The back side of the left >wall is badly scuffed. From the above statement I beleive you are saying that the #1 clyinder has skuff marks on the intake side? A local problem like this that is not caused by a bad boring job is normally associated with heat failure in that area. If it is an OEM bore & pistons you can rule out the possibility of a bad bore job, kawasaki is pretty good at that. Take a good look at the cooling jacket in that area. Does the jacket end right above the marks? Does the clyinder sleave show signs of heat (burned oil and or blueing) on the exposed area under the AL clyinder casting? Honda had a problem with this on the GOOF2's Does the coolent flow thru the engine in such a manner that this area is the last area within the engine the coolant pass on its way to the radiator? If so, lower coolant temps. Any signs of detnotation on the piston? S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 19:54:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25745; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27077; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA00181 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-231.s231.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.231]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA11154; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3532A5BD.B0DF5B0A@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:54:37 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need advice on a tire buy References: <8e29fa5a.3531819b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can read back through the archives for my full thoughts, but in my experience (D204 street and GP, Metzler MEZ1, Aon Azarro) The Avons are several orders of magnitude better than the dunnies or MEZs. They stick better and last much longer than the other two (for me anyhow). If the East Coast distributor can get em in one of these centuries, I'll be using the Azarro GP compound on my race bike rather than the D207s. If you want to know any more of my thoughts about em, let me know. Collin CloudsAbv9 wrote: > > Just found a nail in my almost like new bridgestone battleaxe. Tomorrow Im > going to get a new one put on, havent decided whether I should stick with the > bridgestone (which also gives me 10% off the price) or go with the Avon > Azzaro. I have a 93 cbr 600 f2, and Im looking for good cornering ability and > grip. Any thoughts? Or does anyone know of any better tire that is usually > in stock at cycle shops? > > Sean > Ride Free! -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 20:02:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25913; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27165; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00271 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-231.s231.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.231]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14236; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3532A7AC.7690DD75@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:02:52 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas H. Gimer" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Easter Ride (relatively long) References: <35328495.840F0DA0@smart.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, You guys did some really nice roads... Yes, 647 is the road through Plains. Almost every one of the roads you mentioned are the ones I was regularly leading on last summer.... Hopefully I'll get things together on one of the beasts and be able to show you some even better little stretches in that area..... You sure on 606?? THe description sounded more like 601 (Mt. Weather EAC) I don't think 606 even goes all the way through to 50? (maybe it does :)) Glad to hear you guys had a good ride. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 20:12:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25994; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27229; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00455 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-231.s231.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.231]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA18398; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3532AA03.9A525645@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:12:51 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles , Balt-cycles Subject: Sunday's Racing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, didn't see a whole lot of folks out at the track this weekend (heard some were there on Sat, but I was hiding waaay down in corner 2) The racing on sunday was some of the best motorcycle racing I've ever seen. The Beemister brothers (may have mispelled that) put on a spectacular dual in two separate races. Bryan on the new R1 his brother Tim on a GSXR1100. Their lap times were within 1 second of lap record for almost every lap (a lot of other guys got this fast in other classes as well) Each of the brothers split a win. My personal call is that on equal bikes, Tim would probably edge out Bryan more than not. He was shimmying and shaking and sliding and chattering and everything else to the GSXR to do battle with the R1. While the R1 was rock stable. Jeff Atwell also was running an R1 and generally right behind the other two. Reportedly, his R1 dynoed at 144 hp at the rear tire with only the addition of a pipe and a minor change in needle setting. It didn't even have a jet kit! Beemister also showed a little of the R1's brute power when he lifted the front tire vertical with ROLL ON throttle from turn 2 through turn 3, then from 3 to 4, then finally halfway down the back straight while passing people!!! Simply incredible... but I'm sure this kind of bike on the street in the hands of a less experienced rider could spell doom. WERA race weekend is only two weeks away... Hope to see everyone there!! -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 20:18:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26073; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27268; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00550 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat.css.gov (brauhaus.CSS.GOV [140.162.4.56]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA28688 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804140016.UAA28688@seismo.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:16:03 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Easter Ride (relatively long) In-Reply-To: <35328495.840F0DA0@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:33 PM 4/13/98 -0400, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: >Easter Sunday ride report (a combination of Zbig's memory and my >editing): > >Attendees: > Craig, Blue TL-1000 (custom paint job....Nice!) > Jerry, nice YZF 750 > Tom, black ZX-11 > Zbigniew, black XX. ... Mmm... XX. Nice bike. It handles like silk... goes where you /think/ about going. Zbig's lucky I didn't let him keep my FJ after we traded bikes for a bit yesterday. ;-) > > Zbig wants to make parts of this trip a regular route and will be >using GPS and some mapping software (and a laptop?) to get the route >pinned down. I'm looking forward to seeing the Blackbird fully loaded >with computer equipment sometime soon. There's probably enough surface area that he can continue using Velcro to affix everything. I just want to see how long it is before he looks into a cellular or metrocom modem so he can be on the net while riding. Dan Brown -- '89 Yamaha FJ1200. DOD #208. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 22:28:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27440; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27900; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02523 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.38] (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:24:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: found in a barn, under a tarp... Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 22:27:30 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Okay, so it wasn't an old tarp, it was a faded American flag, and it wasn't a barn, but a garage attached to the house. After Easter dinner, we go to SWMBO's great Aunt Theresa's house. Aunt Theresa's Husband, Howard, died a few months ago. As we pull into the driveway, I notice a motorcycle. Great! Seems not all of Angie's relatives were dorks. Waitaminnut. That's a boxer twin! It's olive drab! It has a hack!! For the rest of the afternoon, I looked at and drooled over Uncle Howie's Chinese made BMW knockoff. Granted, finding the Chinese script was a bit of a letdown (especially since he had a genuine 1929 Ford also in the garage) but it was amazing nonetheless. The heel-toe shifter seemed custom made for a size 13 boot. SWMBO and her dog liked the sidecar. I liked the kickstart (didn't try to crank it over though. The bike has probably been sitting for over a year, since Uncle Howie got sick.) The only markings I was able to read was '752 cc' which I'm guessing is the displacement. This bike was something to behold. I'll be back in Kent this July (and probably before then also) and am going to try and get some info on the bike before then. Even if I don't try to buy the bike myself, I would like to get it running again, so that Angie's aunt doesn't get taken when she eventually sells it. And here I was, dreading this trip. (Which I was right to do. Got rear ended on the Beltway coming home today. Luckily, I was in the cage.) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 22:28:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27445; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27896; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02519 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.38] (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:24:53 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kicked my first car Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 22:27:27 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I've had air horns on two bikes, but they pooped out after a while. Also, >the latest set sounded too shrill (trumpets too short, I'd say). The >current horns are Fiamm electric horns, sold as "Freeway Blasters" at Trak >Auto. They have a good big-fat-American-car sound that gets a bit more >respect. I have a single one of these on the BMW. Will get two or three for the Gold Wing (plenty of room:) unless... >What I'd really like is a two-foot truckers horn with an air compressor and >its own air tank. Might need to upgrade the front springs, though. This is what I'm thinking about right now. The room is there. I'll have a source of compressed air onboard. Why not? (Oh, and probably have the twin Fiamms for backup and additional sound anyway) Why follow the Wing crowd, and put on tons of lights? I'm gonna put on fifty horns!!! ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 22:55:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27744; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28136; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foil.apk.net (known foil.apk.net [207.54.133.102]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA03023 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:53:50 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (qmail 14834 invoked by uid 101); 14 Apr 1998 02:53:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19980414025349.14833.qmail@foil.apk.net> Subject: Re: Easter Ride (relatively long) To: gixer@XXXXXX (Collin T. Fagan) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tgimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3532A7AC.7690DD75@geocities.com> from "Collin T. Fagan" at Apr 13, 98 08:02:52 pm Reply-To: kleks@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (216)-241-7166 X-Organization: APK - Public Access UNI* site 216.241.7541 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Tom, > You guys did some really nice roads... Yes, 647 is the road through > Plains. Almost every one of the roads you mentioned are the ones I was > regularly leading on last summer.... Hopefully I'll get things together > on one of the beasts and be able to show you some even better little > stretches in that area..... > > You sure on 606?? THe description sounded more like 601 (Mt. Weather > EAC) I don't think 606 even goes all the way through to 50? (maybe it > does :)) Glad to hear you guys had a good ride. At least that is what my Map'N'Go says - this was the road just next to river for first few miles, and then turnign little up; it certainly was not the earlier road going over ridge. Yes, it goes all way to 50 - and is a very nice set of twists and curves in 3 dimensions. The stretch between 50 and Fron Royal is generally milder, with one right decreasing radius ugly place. What was nice for me is that finally I have aa way to reach Front Royal from Ashburn without using slab... _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 13 23:19:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28028; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28261; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03350 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id GTYLa10748; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:17:35 -0500 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:17:35 EDT To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX@mail.martinagency.com, hgg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Insurance: AMF Allstate -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Im also with progressive, I went from a 93 NightHawk 750 to a 93 CBR 600 F2 and only paid 2 hundred dollars more a year. I have 2 points and a few tangles on my record too, and Im only 18. Are these guys nuts insuring me? ;-) Sean P. Ride Free! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 00:21:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29147; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28965; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04230 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id XAA08665; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:17:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA31516; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:17:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980413191806.CHGS5955@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:18:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles , HSTA , st1100 Subject: Parking in NY City. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980413191806.CHGS5955@[166.41.242.141]> All, I'll be tooling up to NYC from Washington, DC this Friday and need some advice on security. I will be visiting a friend who lives around 60th st on the eastside, but she doesn't have a private garage. Can anyone advise/point to a reliably safe garage to park my ST from Friday evening to Sunday? Please reply privately. Tia, Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 01:02:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29470; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29533; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA04764 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr26-dialup33.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0ERE00H3X0KG2T@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 05:00:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:00:52 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Bodywork needed To: Baltimore Cycle Club Cc: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <000a01bd66dc$3421a3a0$614937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_/hMmtvq0ge2I8+xG8H/itw)" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_/hMmtvq0ge2I8+xG8H/itw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I'm looking for a front left side fairing for an FZR 600. Does anyone have an extra they want to get rid of ? If you even know of anybody, let me know. I feel naked without it! Thanks Jon 92 FZR 600 MD --Boundary_(ID_/hMmtvq0ge2I8+xG8H/itw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I'm looking for a front left side fairing for an FZR 600.  Does anyone have an extra they want to get rid of ?  If you even know of anybody, let me know.  I feel naked without it!  Thanks
 
Jon
92 FZR 600
MD
--Boundary_(ID_/hMmtvq0ge2I8+xG8H/itw)-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 01:24:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29724; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29641; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA05033 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id BAA00078 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id AAA07212 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:22:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980413210724.MNLI500@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:07:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: New Koni Shocks X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980413210724.MNLI500@[166.41.242.141]> FYI!! Todd Take a look at www.koni.com under NEWS! The KONI 2615 is a gas-hydraulic monoshock with fully separated gas and oil by means of a floating piston. Other manufacturers often make a so-called 'emulsion-type' damper, in which gas and oil are mixed. However, full separation of these is an absolute condition for the best possible damping characteristics. With the KONI 2615 it is possible to adjust the damping characteristics and so optimize comfort and roadholding. Simply turning one single knob enables you to adjust both bump and rebound to your individual taste. The new KONI 2615 shock absorbers feature a progressively wound spring. Automatically the spring force will vary from soft to firm, depending on the load carried. Moreover, the bottom spring seat is adjustable, which provides a further possibility to fine-tune the spring tension. The combination of adjustable damping forces, a progressive spring and an adjustable spring seat makes it possible to adjust the riding characteristics to all individual requirements. It is the intention that in the course of this spring, monoshocks will become available for the following motorcycles: BMW R 80/RT, R 65, BMW R 100RT/Classic, K 75/C/S/RT, K 1100 LT/RS, K 100, K 100 LT/LR and K 100 RS Honda ST 1100 and CBR 600 F Kawasaki ZZR 600, GPZ 600, GPZ 500 and GPZ 1100 Suzuki GSX 600 F, GSX 1100 F, GSX 100 EF/ES and GS 500 E Yamaha XJ 600, XJ Diversion, FZR 600, FJ 1100 and FJ 1200 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 06:33:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA02295; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA03252; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA08542 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-231.s231.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.231]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA26495; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35333BA4.6E08E16D@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:34:12 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9 CC: "NAGYJ@XXXXXX"@mail.martinagency.com, hgg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance: AMF Allstate -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With State Farm, your rates would actually have dropped going from the Nighthawk 750 to a CBR 600..... All they look at is displacement, not model :) Collin (Who pays much less than Sean's increase for his full coverage :)) CloudsAbv9 wrote: > > Im also with progressive, I went from a 93 NightHawk 750 to a 93 CBR 600 F2 > and only paid 2 hundred dollars more a year. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 07:08:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02599; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05046; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (known helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA09205 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net ([128.231.230.165]) by helix.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11544 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35334231.28EE2CA4@radix.net> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:02:09 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance: AMF Allstate References: <3.0.1.32.19980413133223.0069baf0@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry, You may want to try another Allstate agent. I was able to successfully insure my '97 Cobra ( cage ) with Allstate, but the 1st time I contacted my agent, they told me 'no way, Allstate will not insure that car, period.' So, I began searching rates. Just for grins, I called another agent ; Not only got Cage insurance with them for LESS money than I was paying Geico for my 90 GT Mustang ( cage ), but got insurance on my '90 ZX 11 for less than $300 / year w/ $100 deductible. My previous policy from Progressive was over $700 w/ $500 deductibles... I was very clear that this was a NINJA... I have homeowners with Allstate as well, which definitely helped with the Cage insurance. Check around a bit, there is great variance as we all know. Good luck Dave Yates '90 ZX 11(12 now ! ) Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > I just got my renewal notice from Allstate. Despite my (surprisingly) > clean driving record, 30-35 age group, and type of bike, my premium was > going to be nearly $2,000 per year for full coverage on the Beemer. > Fifteen minutes later I was confirmed with Progressive for $451 per year, > even without having other vehicles with them. Previously, Allstate > wouldn't insure the bike unless I had an existing car policy with them. > I'll enjoy calling my Allstate guy to cancel. > These companies continue to amaze me with their alleged support of > motorcycle insurance, while arbitrarily discouraging ownership of anything > over 700 cc's or with a scary-sounding name. In 1993, Geico wouldn't > insure anything named "Ninja," even a 250. > > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 08:41:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03391; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06516; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10336 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cagw1.att.com; Tue Apr 14 08:32 EDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA12382 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6780.D0167750@XXXXXX>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:39:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: New Oil for Sale - Discount!! Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:39:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have 4 Quarts of Honda HP4 semi-synthetic oil for sale. $2.50/qt=20 for a total of $10 for all 4. This is about =BD the retail price. Act=20 now! Contact me and we can discuss delivery etc. Thanks. John Carver '98 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 08:41:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03390; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06531; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com (known ngedns.northgrum.com [192.86.71.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10342 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgny003.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.161]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA12657; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 05:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGNY003 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2TMD253H>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:38:36 -0400 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BA4@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'Suzuki List'" Subject: RF electrical help needed Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:38:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain All, Coming home yesterday, the RF died at a stop light. The 1 1/2 mile push home was quite entertaining. :-) I think it is the battery. I pulled it apart on the side of the road and knocked some corrosion off the battery's positive terminal. It made contact and lit the idiot lights in the on position, but did not have enough juice to even crank over the starter once. The battery is about two years old (earlier than I would like to replace it, but not too bad), so I will take it to the shop today and have it load tested. I am fairly sure it is shot, however. So, my question is, "what to do now"? I have access to a volt meter, and after I get a new battery in it, what should I check to be sure there is nothing else wrong with the bike, and that it is just a case of an old battery? For example, what should the volts be off, and at idle? Should I check the voltage at the alternator, starter, etc.? I am kind of electrically challenged, but can handle using the volt meter ... I just don't know what the readings should be and how to tell if all is well or not. Any help would be appreciated ... Thanks in advance, chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 08:43:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03412; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06720; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10384 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A9C2C970434; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:42:42 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980414082954.00eb82d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:29:54 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: [Fwd: Need advice on a tire buy] In-Reply-To: <35323CCA.3D7E2658@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:26 PM 4/13/98 -0400, jay goddard wrote: >Has anyone had any problems with a plugged tire? I have a very small nail >in my street tire that I need to fix. As it is now I lose about 3 lbs a >week. I will be putting ALOT of long rides on this tire this summer and I >have been know to go 130 for 5 or 10 minutes at a time. At speeds like that I wouldn't even think of using a plugged or patched tire. That's just asking for trouble. If you end up lying in a hospital bed, you'll think the $150 you saved wasn't worth much. You might ask a racer if they'd use a plugged tire. For ordinary speeds, the safe choice is to replace the tire, however, a lot of people have ridden thousands of miles on plugged tires with no problem. I had a tire with a slow leak but I could never find a hole. 8,000 miles later when I changed the tire I found a headless nail in it - the hole had closed up enough to be virtually invisible, but it could still leak air. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 08:43:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03416; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06724; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10387 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A9C3C970434; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:42:43 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980414083156.00eba100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:31:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Insurance: AMF Allstate In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980413133223.0069baf0@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:32 PM 4/13/98 -0400, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > In 1993, Geico wouldn't >insure anything named "Ninja," even a 250. When I insured by Datsun 240Z many years ago, one company representative told me they don't insure any car with a Z in the name. I asked them why they didn't insure Isuzus. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 08:50:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03493; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07031; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wariat.apk.net (known wariat.apk.net [192.147.147.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10513 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ztyrlik (pcorddry.sales.intercon.com [149.52.22.55]) by wariat.apk.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA29601; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:51:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: "Dave Yates" , Subject: RE: Insurance: AMF Allstate Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:49:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bd67a3$d1bac390$37163495@ztyrlik.ascend.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <35334231.28EE2CA4@radix.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 1998 7:02 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Insurance: AMF Allstate > > > Harry, > You may want to try another Allstate agent. I was able to successfully > insure my '97 Cobra ( cage ) with Allstate, but the 1st time I > contacted my > agent, they told me 'no way, Allstate will not insure that car, > period.' So, Nationwide in general is insane. I do have some spots on my record, but: in Ohio , I was paying $200/year for FJ1200 with Farmers; since I had house insured with Allstate, I quoted them for XX insurance. $3000/year. So I went shopping: GEICO - about $1500 Nationwide - do not want to talk Farmers - $300 / year Progressive - $150 /year and since I am lazy, and want to have all things with one agency, I went with Farmers, transferred my house from Nationwide, my cages from Ohio's Farmers, added some other things and still saved money comparing to what I was paying before buying a bike. That was _good_ argument in discussions with SO - Honey, I am saving money on insurance and gas !!!!! Shop around. Call them It is your money. And look at stocks performance for financial and insurance companies - where do you think this profits are coming from ????? _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 09:09:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03772; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07250; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10976 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SackcoD@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id HHKFa02900 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:03:31 -0500 (EDT) From: SackcoD Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:03:31 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycles) Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Parking in NY City. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 168 While living in NYC I always kept my bike in one of two garages: one in Greenwich Village, the other in the East Village. Both of these garages took only long term m/c parking. I know that long term m/c parking is available at garages in most parts of Manhattan -- you just have to be willing to pay a lot. I don't know of any short term m/c parking except on the street, which might turn out to be shorter term than you want. If your friend lives in a doorman building I would ask her to check with the doorman, who might have some connections in the parking trade. I'll post again if I get replies from any of my m/c savvy NYC friends regarding short term m/c parking on the east side near the 60's. --Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 11:04:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06110; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09068; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15048 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA13446; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:59:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA14454; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980414145927.SIUG500@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:59:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: zbig@XXXXXX CC: gixer@XXXXXX (Collin T. Fagan), tgimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Easter Ride (relatively long) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980414145927.SIUG500@[166.41.242.141]> My version of Map-n-Go doesn't even show 606. Can you give the coordinates Zbig? Todd >> Tom, >> You guys did some really nice roads... Yes, 647 is the road through >> Plains. Almost every one of the roads you mentioned are the ones I was >> regularly leading on last summer.... Hopefully I'll get things together >> on one of the beasts and be able to show you some even better little >> stretches in that area..... >> >> You sure on 606?? THe description sounded more like 601 (Mt. Weather >> EAC) I don't think 606 even goes all the way through to 50? (maybe it >> does :)) Glad to hear you guys had a good ride. > >At least that is what my Map'N'Go says - this was the road just next to >river for first few miles, and then turnign little up; it certainly >was not the earlier road going over ridge. Yes, it goes all way to 50 - >and is a very nice set of twists and curves in 3 dimensions. > >The stretch between 50 and Fron Royal is generally milder, with one >right decreasing radius ugly place. What was nice for me is that finally >I have aa way to reach Front Royal from Ashburn without using slab... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 11:26:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06856; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09567; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16384 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA27033; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:33:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:33:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Meier, Christopher" cc: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Re: RF electrical help needed In-Reply-To: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BA4@xcgva001.grumman.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, Take the new battery and attach to test leads to it. Touch the test leads to your tongue. this will verify that the battery is charged, depending on how high you jump. Seriously though... I am not an electricity guru, but here's what I would do 1.) Hook up the new battery and be sure everything works OK. 2.) measure voltage at the batter terminals, should be about 13.8 volts if the battery is charging. I don't know if the RF is designed to charge the battery at idle or not, of not it won't be 13.8. You might try revving to see if it gets up there. 3.) I would try disconnecting the battery (with bike running) and see if bike still runs, if so, I would say all is OK. Note, there is a possibility that this could cause damage to electronics if you're not careful not letting the cables touch anything. This is just lay opinion o nthis oneand would hold other opinions in higher regard. 4.) Was the old battery dry or anything like that? 2 years sounds like a reasonable possible life span. Good luck. On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Meier, Christopher wrote: > All, > > Coming home yesterday, the RF died at a stop light. The 1 1/2 mile push > home was quite entertaining. :-) > > I think it is the battery. I pulled it apart on the side of the road and > knocked some corrosion off the battery's positive terminal. It made contact > and lit the idiot lights in the on position, but did not have enough juice > to even crank over the starter once. > > The battery is about two years old (earlier than I would like to replace it, > but not too bad), so I will take it to the shop today and have it load > tested. I am fairly sure it is shot, however. > > So, my question is, "what to do now"? I have access to a volt meter, and > after I get a new battery in it, what should I check to be sure there is > nothing else wrong with the bike, and that it is just a case of an old > battery? > > For example, what should the volts be off, and at idle? Should I check the > voltage at the alternator, starter, etc.? I am kind of electrically > challenged, but can handle using the volt meter ... I just don't know what > the readings should be and how to tell if all is well or not. > > Any help would be appreciated ... > > Thanks in advance, > chris > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 11:34:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07058; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10003; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16657 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id IAA23578; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id IAA27115; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA00033; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:33:04 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA00030; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:33:04 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD677F.EFDBD130@XXXXXX>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:33:01 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Web site address or 800 # for MSF Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:28:42 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 8 TEXT, 44 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Hi. Does anyone have the website address or 800 number for the Motorcycle Safety Foundation? 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After a battery is filled with acid it should be charged for four or five hours at no more than ten percent of its capacity in order to properly form the plates in the battery. If they don't you should charge it yourself, otherwise you will lose twenty percent of the capacity right off the top. After the new battery is installed start the bike and hook up the voltmeter to the battery. As you rev the engine the voltage at the battery should rise to between 13.8 Volts to no more than 14.5 Volts. The rpm level that the alternator charges at will vary between bikes but the charging voltage should be in that range, if not you have a problem. Matt > >For example, what should the volts be off, and at idle? Should I check the >voltage at the alternator, starter, etc.? I am kind of electrically >challenged, but can handle using the volt meter ... I just don't know what >the readings should be and how to tell if all is well or not. > >Any help would be appreciated ... > >Thanks in advance, >chris > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------- >Christopher A. Meier >meierch@XXXXXX >Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA >1994 RF900R AMA #470094 >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------- > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 12:03:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07710; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10599; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18001 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (pool-207-205-218-226.pitb.grid.net [207.205.218.226]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA26171; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980414120345.006adf3c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:03:45 -0400 To: Morris Berman From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: RF electrical help needed Cc: "Meier, Christopher" , "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" In-Reply-To: References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BA4@xcgva001.grumman.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Chris, Decent supply shops should have battery testers which can instantly tell you whether the battery is good, even if largely discharged. You can bring in your dead battery, have it charged to as little as 10% of full, then get it tested. The old type required a full charge and took a bit of time to complete. The new type is digital and (I think) alternately loads and charges the battery and measures changes in voltage, taking only a few seconds. They should do it for free. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 12:06:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07751; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10679; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18115 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (pool-207-205-218-226.pitb.grid.net [207.205.218.226]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA27395; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980414120614.006acd88@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:06:14 -0400 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Web site address or 800 # for MSF Cc: "'DC Cycles'" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:28 AM 4/14/98 -0700, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: >Hi. >Does anyone have the website address or 800 number for the Motorcycle >Safety Foundation? http://www.msf-usa.org/ Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 12:29:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08474; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11032; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com (known ngedns.northgrum.com [192.86.71.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19221 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xcgny003.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.161]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA18437; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by XCGNY003 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2TMD26F0>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:27:01 -0400 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BA8@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: RF electrical help needed Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:26:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain New development ... I just got back from Cycle Sport. They load tested my battery and said it was fine. I guess that's good, but I was hoping the fix would be as simple as a new battery. So, now what? Shop guy recommended cleaning all the terminals and connections to make sure that they are free of corrosion and try again. Use the voltmeter to determine if there is a ground. Otherwise "bring it in and we'll have a look at it". Obviously, I'd rather not $do that$, but I'm kinda at a loss as to what else to try. Major symptoms indicate it is the battery. 1) when I cleaned the corrosion off last night, the neutral and oil idiot light would come on. 2) depress starter button and the lights go out, absolutely NOTHING happens. it would not even turn the starter at all. also no popping sounds. 3) release the starter and the idiot lights do NOT re-light. 4)Turn key off and back on, ... nothing 5)come back a few hours later and repeat same process. indicating the battery was to weak to crank the engine, but after it sat for a while, it recovered enough of a charge to light the idiot lights until the starter was depressed again. I also thought it may be an interlock problem preventing the bike from starting. But that doesn't explain the fact that the idiot lights won't re-light. It gives the same effect of turning the key on and trying to start it with the kill switch off. And, yes I checked that. :-) Opinions, advice, comments? Thanks, chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---------- > From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.[SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 1998 12:03 PM > To: Morris Berman > Cc: Meier, Christopher; Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles > Subject: Re: RF electrical help needed > > Chris, > Decent supply shops should have battery testers which can instantly > tell > you whether the battery is good, even if largely discharged. You can > bring > in your dead battery, have it charged to as little as 10% of full, then > get > it tested. The old type required a full charge and took a bit of time to > complete. The new type is digital and (I think) alternately loads and > charges the battery and measures changes in voltage, taking only a few > seconds. > They should do it for free. > > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm > "The more you live, the less you die." > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 13:14:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10402; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12334; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22462 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A91EB7025C; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:13:05 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980414125147.00f7f7d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:51:47 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: RF electrical help needed In-Reply-To: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BA8@xcgva001.grumman. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'd check ground connections (especially the battery ground cable and the coil mounting), the kill switch, the main fuse or fusible link, and the main connectors (which are probably located near the fusible link). Chris Norloff ****************************************************** At 12:26 PM 4/14/98 -0400, Meier, Christopher wrote: >New development ... > >I just got back from Cycle Sport. They load tested my battery and said it >was fine. I guess that's good, but I was hoping the fix would be as simple >as a new battery. > >So, now what? Shop guy recommended cleaning all the terminals and >connections to make sure that they are free of corrosion and try again. Use >the voltmeter to determine if there is a ground. > >Otherwise "bring it in and we'll have a look at it". Obviously, I'd rather >not $do that$, but I'm kinda at a loss as to what else to try. > >Major symptoms indicate it is the battery. >1) when I cleaned the corrosion off last night, the neutral and oil idiot >light would come on. >2) depress starter button and the lights go out, absolutely NOTHING happens. >it would not even turn the starter at all. also no popping sounds. >3) release the starter and the idiot lights do NOT re-light. >4)Turn key off and back on, ... nothing >5)come back a few hours later and repeat same process. indicating the >battery was to weak to crank the engine, but after it sat for a while, it >recovered enough of a charge to light the idiot lights until the starter was >depressed again. > >I also thought it may be an interlock problem preventing the bike from >starting. But that doesn't explain the fact that the idiot lights won't >re-light. It gives the same effect of turning the key on and trying to >start it with the kill switch off. And, yes I checked that. :-) > >Opinions, advice, comments? > >Thanks, >chris >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------- >Christopher A. Meier >meierch@XXXXXX >Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA >1994 RF900R AMA #470094 >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------- > > >> ---------- >> From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.[SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 1998 12:03 PM >> To: Morris Berman >> Cc: Meier, Christopher; Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles >> Subject: Re: RF electrical help needed >> >> Chris, >> Decent supply shops should have battery testers which can instantly >> tell >> you whether the battery is good, even if largely discharged. You can >> bring >> in your dead battery, have it charged to as little as 10% of full, then >> get >> it tested. The old type required a full charge and took a bit of time to >> complete. The new type is digital and (I think) alternately loads and >> charges the battery and measures changes in voltage, taking only a few >> seconds. >> They should do it for free. >> >> >> Harry >> Bethesda, MD >> '97 BMW R1100RT >> http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm >> "The more you live, the less you die." >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 14:42:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12871; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14238; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26137 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA07509; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:48:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:48:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Meier, Christopher" cc: "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: RF electrical help needed In-Reply-To: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BA8@xcgva001.grumman.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I agree with the Cycle Sport guy. You can also try another (known good) battery---occasionally I've had a battery test "good" but still be defective. But it sounds like a flaky connection to me. --garcia On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Meier, Christopher wrote: > New development ... > > I just got back from Cycle Sport. They load tested my battery and said it > was fine. I guess that's good, but I was hoping the fix would be as simple > as a new battery. > > So, now what? Shop guy recommended cleaning all the terminals and > connections to make sure that they are free of corrosion and try again. Use > the voltmeter to determine if there is a ground. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 14:47:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13162; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14553; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail1.geocities.com [209.1.224.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26618 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11466; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3533AE16.CBC4A979@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:42:30 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" CC: Todd Peer , tgimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles Subject: Re: Easter Ride (relatively long) References: <000201bd67c7$37373640$37163495@ztyrlik.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're right, Zbig... I remember now. 606 is also a really nice road. I thought it ended at a T and the number changed when youfollowed either fork on down to 50.... I've only been on it once with Mike jordan and it was nice. If you get motivated to put the route all together, I can post it with my other rides.. you've already done most of it in the original post. I can also link it to a pdf or delorma (never seen the output) file showing a pic of the route as well... http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ride.html -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 15:44:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14916; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16005; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail4.geocities.com [209.1.224.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29565 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18445; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3533BB71.2957EC34@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:39:29 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: "'dc-cycles'" , "'Suzuki List'" Subject: Re: RF electrical help needed References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA346401183BA4@xcgva001.grumman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, I'm really surprised that you're battery is dead after only two years. You ride year round, correct?? I could see maybe if it was parked for long periods, but a daily ridden battery lasts so much longer. My gixer's battery is still going strong (original 93 battery)... Although, now the bike is gone ;-) I've used it several times to start the race bike... although I'll be trading with mike for a shorter battery, as the 93 battery is too tall for the battery tray and impedes seat replacement. CT Meier, Christopher wrote: > The battery is about two years old (earlier than I would like to replace it, > but not too bad), so I will take it to the shop today and have it load > tested. I am fairly sure it is shot, however. > -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 14 16:32:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15648; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17158; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00834 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:30:37 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565E6.0070AB74 ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:30:39 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Askstephen@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565E6.00707361.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:30:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday 4/18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Anyone interested in joining me this Saturday - I'm riding out to Winchester Indian's Open House & Antique Bike Show. Intend to leave the Fairfax Silver Diner @ 10:00, take a