From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 02:57:08 1997 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 97 07:25:18 UT From: "Bruce Dimon" To: "Baltimore Cycles" , "DC Cycles" , "Morris Berman" Subject: RE: Small Western Trip Planned >> I am thinking of planning a small trip out west on the bike. I was >> thinking of going through the following locations: You don't mention how many days you planned for this trip. I'll assume you have lots of time. >> Start/End in Silver Spring, MD Assuming you want to use the Interstate to hurry to the west, I would avoid Chicago and the tolls by taking I-70 to Indianapolis, then I-74 to Davenport to pick up I-80 west. Wiggle north to I-90 via a back road or I-29. Chicago is a mess to get through. St. Louis and Kansas City are bad, but bearable. >> via Badlands National Park, SD Excellent choice. Resist the urge to see Wall Drug, nothing but expensive kitsch. >> via Yellowstone National Park, WY An amazing place. It will be crowded, no question. The roads are fairly clear in the early morning, before 9:00am, and crowded the rest of the day. Watch for animals, they don't watch for you. My favorite parts are the Mammoth Hot Springs, Norris Geyser Basin, and the Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone. I can highly recommend the Bear Tooth Highway into Yellowstone from Red Lodge, MT to Tower Lodge, WY. Great Alpine scenery! If you have the time, Glacier National Park is stunning. The most beautiful park in the USA. The Going to the Sun Road is the most spectacularly scenic ride in this country. >> via Grand Teton National Park, WY >> via Jackson, WY Good Choices. >> via Park City, UT There is good riding east of Park City. Unless you have some need to see Park City, it is not that interesting without snow. Consider Flaming Gorge National Recreation Area and Dinosaur National Monument in SW Wyoming and NE Utah. I love camping at Dinosaur. >> via Arches National Park, UT Now I rely on the opinions of others: Route 128 from Moab to Cisco is a great ride. Bob Higdon assures me that one of the best rides in the country is Route 12 from Panguitch, UT to Torrey; then Route 24 to Hanksville; then Route 95 to Blanding, UT. This route passes through or near 6 National Parks and Monuments. >> via Hooper, CO If you go from Arches NP east into Colorado, take a detour onto Rim Rock Drive in the Colorado National Monument. In places the road is on the edge of a rock cornice. Spectacular! Of Course, everybody has heard of the Million Dollar Highway: US 550 from Ouray to Silverton, CO. Also great are Route 145 from Telluride to Cortez, CO. US 160 from Durango to South Fork, CO is scenic but full of trucks. A less crowded choice would be Route 149 from Gunnison to South Fork, CO. A lot of roads in Colorado are fabulous so it's hard to go wrong. After Hooper, consider a diversion northward to Independence pass. Mount Evans Highway is the highest paved road in the country. Trail Ridge Road in Rocky Mountain National Park is not only beautiful, it's the highest paved "through" road in the country. Pikes Peak road may be dirt but it's wide and smooth, easy for a Gold Wing. If you still want to go to Austin, wiggle south from Hooper to New Mexico. >From Antonito, CO, take Route 17 to Chama, NM. Then take US 64 to Taos and follow back roads to Santa Fe. Eat lots of Chile Rellenos. YUMMY! Buy a copy of "Motorcycle Journeys Through the Southwest" by Martin Berke. If you want to find the great roads in Utah, Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona, this book will tell you. It also suggests great camping locations. >> via Austin, TX (maybe, adds an additional day) Texans may flame me but I suggest forgeting about Austin in order to spend more time in Utah and Colorado. Which do you prefer: Flat or Curvy? >> via Dawson Springs, KY (to show up for RCR VI), July 18-21 Fun! >> via Asheville, NC >> via Blue Ridge Parkway >> Return to Silver Spring, MD Great ride but you can do the BRP in a week's vacation. If you can spare the time, go for it. If your vacation expires on a preset schedule, consider spending more time out west and save the Blue Ridge for another ride. I admit I am biased towards the west. After 18 years of living on the East Coast I finally escaped to Idaho. Perhaps you can take western vacations every year. If so, relax and see the sights you missed next year. If you may not do another western trip for years, see the best now. How long do you have for this trip? >> This would be a camping trip (with the exception of a few cities where I >> know people). Get the AAA campbooks for the states you will be going through. They list all campgrounds, public and private. Call the states tourist info numbers. Make sure you tell them you want a listing of PUBLIC campgrounds. The National Park Service will send you brochures on the National Parks and Monuments. These are the same brochures they hand out at the park entrances and contain the best details on things to see and facilities for camping, lodging and eating. You can either write to The Department of the Interior, National Park Service, Office of Public Inquiries, P.O. Box 37127, Room 1013, Washington, D.C. 20013-7127 or telephone 202-208-4747 - Monday-Friday 9a.m.-3 p.m. (eastern time zone) for general information or specific park brochures. If you ever come up to Idaho, I can show you some great roads in my new home state. I hope I never have to return to the Middle Atlantic but my contract expires in two more years, sob! Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX GL1500 Wing for Go, Not for Show! Coeur d'Alene, Idaho (It's Core-duh-lane, Eye-duh-hoe) Northern Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 16:47:52 1997 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 16:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Todd B Peer" To: dc-cycles Subject: Aerostitch Roadcrafter suits X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e I'm looking for personal experiences with the RoadCrafter One- and Two- piece riding suits. Also, if anyone has any experience with the Darien (jacket/pants/combination) apparel, I'm interested in this too. I've read up in the catalog from riderwearhouse, but am interested in 'personal' experiences. Until later, Todd '92 NiteHawk CB750 For Sale '83 Shadow VT500c miles 48k For Sale '74 SuperSport CB550f 9k From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 17:23:25 1997 X-Sender: ew52@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 17:23:43 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Eric M. Winslow" Subject: Re: Aerostitch Roadcrafter suits In-Reply-To: <19970401214533.AAA30658@localHost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've had a 2-piece RoadCrafter for about a year and a half. I love the suit. It is almost waterproof and the vents sure help during the warmer weather (although you will get hot with it on in the summer.) It's nice to have the option of taking the pants off with the 2-piece suit. Sizing is tricky. If you don't ride year round you can buy the suit in your suit size and have it fit well. If you want to use it for cold-weather riding (extended riding 45 degrees and below) you need to order it larger so you can layer underneath comfortably. In this case it will be fairly baggy at other times. I use another, cheaper Spartan winter suit for the real cold stuff myself. Also take into account your riding position for sizing (cruiser, sport). With a sport bike, the bend in your legs is going to cause the pant legs to hitch up a bit necessitating some more length in the pant leg. I need to get about an inch or an inch and a half added to mine someday. The protection the suit offers makes me feel good (I haven't tested it's crash protection properties yet) when riding with it on. I feel naked otherwise. The great reflective panels are a good safety feature also. They are extremely visible at night. Overall, it is highly recommended. I think I might actually try out the Darien if I made the decision again. This would be because of added flexibility with the liners. Good luck. Eric M. Winslow 1993 GS500E 1-800-AMA-JOIN At 04:41 PM 4/1/97 -0500, you wrote: > >I'm looking for personal experiences with the RoadCrafter One- and >Two- piece riding suits. Also, if anyone has any experience with >the Darien (jacket/pants/combination) apparel, I'm interested in >this too. > >I've read up in the catalog from riderwearhouse, but am interested >in 'personal' experiences. > >Until later, >Todd > '92 NiteHawk CB750 >For Sale '83 Shadow VT500c miles 48k >For Sale '74 SuperSport CB550f 9k > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 22:41:19 1997 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 22:40:42 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Aerostitch Roadcrafter suits 1 piece Aerostich. 7 years, 170K miles, washed twice a year whether it needs it or not. Sent it back to Andy 3 or 4 times to replace sliders and velcro that got worn out. Never been down in it faster than about 35mph so can't say much about how abrasion resistant it is. I'll probably have to replace it in another 4 or 5 years, unless I send it back for more repairs. Too bad it costs about as much as a bike, otherwise I'd have replaced it earlier. It's comfortable, it works, I can wear it in any weather (I don't ride much when it's colder than 20F) It would be nice to have a second one that's a little larger and has Thinsulate for the winter. At 16:41 1-04-97 -0500, you wrote: > >I'm looking for personal experiences with the RoadCrafter One- and >Two- piece riding suits. > >I've read up in the catalog from riderwearhouse, but am interested >in 'personal' experiences. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 08:46:51 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:47:36 -0500 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Re[2]: Aerostitch Roadcrafter suits To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I piece aerostitch for me too. When it is warm I wear shorts and a tee under it, when it is cold a long sleeve shirt and an electric vest. It felt expensive at first, but not now. Very nice, mine is one size larger than me so I can wear heavier insulation under it. With the zippers opened it is vented just fine, the only caveat is that my ferrets eat the velcro from time to time. Easy to don and doff too. Dave _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Aerostitch Roadcrafter suits From: Leon Begeman at ddn Date: 4/1/97 10:40 PM 1 piece Aerostich. 7 years, 170K miles, washed twice a year whether it needs it or not. Sent it back to Andy 3 or 4 times to replace sliders and velcro that got worn out. Never been down in it faster than about 35mph so can't say much about how abrasion resistant it is. I'll probably have to replace it in another 4 or 5 years, unless I send it back for more repairs. Too bad it costs about as much as a bike, otherwise I'd have replaced it earlier. It's comfortable, it works, I can wear it in any weather (I don't ride much when it's colder than 20F) It would be nice to have a second one that's a little larger and has Thinsulate for the winter. At 16:41 1-04-97 -0500, you wrote: > >I'm looking for personal experiences with the RoadCrafter One- and >Two- piece riding suits. > >I've read up in the catalog from riderwearhouse, but am interested >in 'personal' experiences. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 15:01:32 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 14:58:35 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Aerostitch Roadcrafter suits In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970401224042.006a62ec@server1.illuminet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>I'm looking for personal experiences with the RoadCrafter One- and >>Two- piece riding suits. Roadcrafter two-piece, about 4 years and 40,000 miles on it, and worth every penny. I'll probably get the one-piece when I replace this one -- I just don't ride without the pants. Though I'm sure it will take me a while to wear this one out. I've replaced velcro, added velcro to tighten the ankle cuffs and the throat. Added a velcro mount for my electric vest's thermostat. Sewed a garage-door mini-opener into the pocket so it's always with me. Sewed velcro on the back to hold the reflective vest in place when I don and doff the suit. Replaced several zipper slides after I broke the handles (parts provided free by the manufacturer). I added the new hard/soft armor when it came out. Easy to don and doff, keeps me dry in all but the most terrible downpours, has all my little riding necessities in its pockets (change, Tums, chapstick, earplugs). When I bought that suit I had more invested in my riding gear than in my bike. But, hey, I'm more important than some mechanical transport device! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 16:31:19 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 16:30:32 -0500 From: "Mighty Morphin' Power Ranger" Organization: Interactive Engines X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Delurk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *stealth mode off* Just a little delurk here on my part... Some of you may know me already... however... I still wanted to say something and ask a few questions. I'm originally from New Jersey and was heavily active on nj-cycles. In December, I started a new job here in Reston, VA, and have since been living in Sterling. The questions I wanted to ask were more like this: 1) Do people here do one-day-only group rides? We did this all the time back in NJ, and had a number of good trips (trip reports available on my web page, URL below). 2) Are there ever any lunch or dinner gatherings? Again, another nj-cycles thingie, which frequently turned out to be lots of fun. We'd get together for dinner and have a night ride, or do something similar. 3) Is anyone here averse to getting a few people together, requiring that those who attend bring tank bags and maps, and just go riding off into the wilderness at high rates of speed with no specific destination in mind? Again, another nj-cycles thingie which, if you read the one trip report about this, you'll find was a big success. PoPs and I put that one together. 4) Haven't you heard of Widder 'lectrics? :-) After 2+ seasons of Polar Bear rides back in NJ, I can tell you they are WONDERFUL. :-) I've been able to ride at sub-freezing temps with these things. :-) 5) Is there a reasonable mechanic in the NoVA area who does work on Hondas? I do most of the minor maintenance myself, but there are some things I'd rather have a professional do for me either because I don't have the tools or the time to do it. Back in NJ, I'd bring my stuff to Kiernan Racing Supplies (http://www.braincell.com/kiernan). Kevin and his staff did a great job, and I'd like to find a small shop-type place similar to his. 6) There is no question 6. --Joe *stealth mode on* -- "What's the sense in growing up if you can't be childish?" --The Doctor Joe Ogulin, DoD #3229 1995 Honda CBR900RR http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jogulin jogulin@XXXXXX jogulin@XXXXXX Disclaimer: This is solely my opinion and does not reflect that of my employer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 18:22:19 1997 X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 18:21:39 -0500 To: "Mighty Morphin' Power Ranger" , DC-Cycles List From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: working on bikes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:30 PM 4/2/97 -0500, you wrote: >5) Is there a reasonable mechanic in the NoVA area who does work on >Hondas? I do most of the minor maintenance myself, but there are some >things I'd rather have a professional do for me either because I don't >have the tools or the time to do it. Back in NJ, I'd bring my stuff >to Kiernan Racing Supplies (http://www.braincell.com/kiernan). Kevin >and his staff did a great job, and I'd like to find a small shop-type >place similar to his. Joe, Fast Lane cycles is in your area and does excellent work. 818-8890, tell them rich sent you. rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 02:19:59 1997 From: Drbob27@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 02:17:11 -0500 (EST) To: Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, morris@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Small Western Trip Planned It's hard to go wrong once you hit the Rockies :-). To get there I recommend hopping off 70 at Hancock and proceeding west on 48, then 79 at Morgantown, then 64 thru Kentucky. Once you hit Indiana, you're doomed to dullness, from there it's a good time to see just how many miles you _can_ do in a day :-) But the route I recommended is vastly less traffic, better pavement, and better scenery than the northern alternatives. It's worth it even if you cut north in Indiana for SD. bob (formerly of Greenbelt, MD, now, Denver!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 07:54:36 1997 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 07:44:29 -0800 From: "Ivan S. Keefer" Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Drbob27@XXXXXX CC: Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, morris@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Small Western Trip Planned Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Drbob27@XXXXXX wrote: > > It's hard to go wrong once you hit the Rockies :-). To get there I recommend > hopping off 70 at Hancock and proceeding west on 48, then 79 at Morgantown, > then 64 thru Kentucky. Once you hit Indiana, you're doomed to dullness, from > there it's a good time to see just how many miles you _can_ do in a day :-) > > But the route I recommended is vastly less traffic, better pavement, and > better scenery than the northern alternatives. It's worth it even if you cut > north in Indiana for SD. > > bob (formerly of Greenbelt, MD, now, Denver!) Just wanted to add that 48 (Hancock to the west) was redesignated I-68 a few years ago . ------------------ Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (previous) AMA # 487634 Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 09:41:16 1997 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 09:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Todd B Peer" To: Distribution@XXXXXX Subject: NMA X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e For those of you tired of the speed ticketing (road taxation) practice of your local constable, you might find this group offers some relief. The National Motorists Association http://www.motorists.com/ FYI >>Document Mode: CAMS included DC-Cycles included From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 18:16:15 1997 From: Dave Yates President & CEO To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: working on bikes Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 18:12:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I second that. Fast Lane has definitely done good work for me, it's about 55 miles from home, but worth it. Dave '90 ZX11 ---------- From: Rich and Leslie Sturges[SMTP:sturges@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 1997 6:21 PM To: Mighty Morphin' Power Ranger; DC-Cycles List Subject: working on bikes At 04:30 PM 4/2/97 -0500, you wrote: >5) Is there a reasonable mechanic in the NoVA area who does work on >Hondas? I do most of the minor maintenance myself, but there are some >things I'd rather have a professional do for me either because I don't >have the tools or the time to do it. Back in NJ, I'd bring my stuff >to Kiernan Racing Supplies (http://www.braincell.com/kiernan). Kevin >and his staff did a great job, and I'd like to find a small shop-type >place similar to his. Joe, Fast Lane cycles is in your area and does excellent work. 818-8890, tell them rich sent you. rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 18:57:40 1997 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 18:56:15 -0500 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" Organization: Smartnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Tires Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm planning on getting new tires for my ZX-6E. Does anyone have an impression of Metzeler ME-Z2 tires. Any other suggestions? With my riding style I don't need a full-bore racing tire, but I do occasionally like to turn up the heat on them. Thanks for your help. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX 1990 Honda XR600R (converted) 1994 Kawa ZX-6E From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 19:25:12 1997 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 19:17:36 -0500 (EST) From: my own worst nightmare To: "Thomas H. Gimer" cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Tires In-Reply-To: <3344439F.2668@smart.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > I'm planning on getting new tires for my ZX-6E. Does anyone have an > impression of Metzeler ME-Z2 tires. Any other suggestions? > With my riding style I don't need a full-bore racing tire, but I do > occasionally like to turn up the heat on them. i find that the z2's are a bit hard for agressive riding, and the z1's are a little too soft for everyday fun :) the z1's are more confidence inspiring, yet don't last as long as the z2's, which, if pushed, sometimes tend to slide a little... solution for my vfr (which is for SALE incidentally!) was a z1 on the front and a z2 on the back - what metzeler calls the 'endurance' setup - so far i like it... if the back comes around a little i don't mind so much, but i hate pushing the front end (on the street at least). just my $.02 seth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 19:55:22 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Dale Coyner" Organization: Appalachian Highways To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 19:59:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Tires Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53) > tend to slide a little... solution for my vfr (which is for SALE > incidentally!) was a z1 on the front and a z2 on the back - what metzeler > calls the 'endurance' setup - so far i like it... if the back comes around That's the precise setup I have on my ST-1100. Works well. Just ordered by second set today. I put about 7K miles total on the set. Got mine from Art Crow at Riders Acc. Warehouse in Falls Church (riders@XXXXXX). He happened to have them in stock which has been unusual for Metzelers in the past. I'm told Pirelli Dragons are nearly identical and might be easier to get if you need to order them. If you do happen to contact Art, be sure to ask him about the "hearin' dog" he had with him at Daytona... d. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 4 10:14:09 1997 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 10:13:00 -0500 From: "Mighty Morphin' Power Ranger" Organization: Interactive Engines X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tires Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > I'm planning on getting new tires for my ZX-6E. Does anyone have an > impression of Metzeler ME-Z2 tires. Any other suggestions? > > With my riding style I don't need a full-bore racing tire, but I do > occasionally like to turn up the heat on them. I've got Michelin TX15 (front) and TX25 (rear) on my 900rr... Started with Battlax BT50's (stock), tried the BT56's (stock on the 96 & later) and found them to be good tires, but they didn't last as long as the BT50's (then again, BT50's aren't exactly tires you push to the edge... :-) ). I tried the Michelins on a recommendation from my parts supplier back in NJ and from a couple of other folx. I'm sticking with these for a good long time. :-) --Joe -- "What's the sense in growing up if you can't be childish?" --The Doctor Joe Ogulin, DoD #3229 1995 Honda CBR900RR http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jogulin jogulin@XXXXXX jogulin@XXXXXX Disclaimer: This is solely my opinion and does not reflect that of my employer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 4 11:36:49 1997 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Matthew Whalen Subject: saturday ride Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 11:34:13 -0500 Sender: mwhalen@XXXXXX I'm planning on taking a ride out rt 50 into WV and back tomorrow and was wondering if there might be 1 or 2 people intersted in going too. I was thinking of limiting the round trip to 200-300 miles - not real fast - not lollygaging (sp?) around. Leaving from the crystal city area. -matthew mwhalen@XXXXXX '97 Buell S3 UUCom, Inc. '94 Harley-Davidson Sportster Unix & Network consulting From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 4 12:55:22 1997 From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "'Matthew Whalen'" Subject: RE: saturday ride Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:52:14 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew, I promised the SO a ride tomorrow out to (atleast) Middleburg. I would be interested in joining you if you don't mind having a two-up bike along for the ride. What are you taking, the Buell or the Harley? Let me know, chris BTW, it's rough constantly having the SO nagging you to take them riding. :-) BTBTW, I'm in northern Alexandria (Shirlington) ----------------------------------------------------- Christopher A. Meier Northrop Grumman Corporation Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ----------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Matthew Whalen[SMTP:mwhalen@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 04, 1997 11:34 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: saturday ride > > > >I'm planning on taking a ride out rt 50 into WV and back >tomorrow and was wondering if there might be 1 or 2 people >intersted in going too. I was thinking of limiting the round >trip to 200-300 miles - not real fast - not lollygaging (sp?) >around. Leaving from the crystal city area. > > >-matthew mwhalen@XXXXXX >'97 Buell S3 UUCom, Inc. >'94 Harley-Davidson Sportster Unix & Network consulting > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 4 19:13:31 1997 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 19:02:44 -0800 From: "Ivan S. Keefer" Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Whalen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: saturday ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Whalen wrote: > > I'm planning on taking a ride out rt 50 into WV and back > tomorrow and was wondering if there might be 1 or 2 people > intersted in going too. I was thinking of limiting the round > trip to 200-300 miles - not real fast - not lollygaging (sp?) > around. Leaving from the crystal city area. > > -matthew mwhalen@XXXXXX > '97 Buell S3 UUCom, Inc. > '94 Harley-Davidson Sportster Unix & Network consulting I live about 12 miles west of Winchester off rt 50 and was planning on heading to WV around 9 or 10 am. ------------------ Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (previous) AMA # 487634 Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 4 20:02:21 1997 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 19:46:23 +0000 From: "Dr. Moze" Organization: The PressRoom Online Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: saturday ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Matthew Whalen wrote: > > > > I'm planning on taking a ride out rt 50 into WV and back > > tomorrow I am thinking of heading for a westerly ride tomorrow also (with my SO), but alas won't be able to make it out that early. But, is Route 50 a good way to head west? Any particular landmarks or favorite spots that I should keep my eyes open for? Should be a great day for a ride! I'll wave if I see ya! -- Dr. Moze 1985 maroon Viragoo 700 (plate is 'DRMOZE'!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 5 09:40:08 1997 X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 09:39:07 -0500 To: "Mighty Morphin' Power Ranger" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Tires In-Reply-To: <33451A7C.29FF@iengines.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:13 AM 4/4/97 -0500, you wrote: > Postage paid by: Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > I'm planning on getting >new tires for my ZX-6E. Does anyone have an > impression of Metzeler ME-Z2 >tires. Any other suggestions? > > With my riding style I don't need a >full-bore racing tire, but I do > occasionally like to turn up the heat on >them. I've got Michelin TX15 (front) and TX25 (rear) on my 900rr... >Started with Battlax BT50's (stock), tried the BT56's (stock on the 96 I'm due for new tires also, (this will be the 5th set in 11k miles!!). In the past I have been pretty loyal to the Dunlop D204's, but they seem to wear extremely fast. They hold fairly decent, but on a good day i make both front and back slide a bit going around corneres. I've been debating between the Metzler's (in the "endurance" setup) and the ne Azaro tire that Avon has come out with. Does anyone know anything about this new tire??? I know Avon is a decent company (very popular with European racers), but I haven't heard of too many people here in the states using them. TIA Collin Check out the new page I added at my web site for ride sheets ____________________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan (and introducing the newest addition: Connor Timick) (703) 421-8777 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 6 11:43:21 1997 X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 11:43:42 -0400 To: "David & Alane O'Neill" From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Tires Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3347CB2C.3C5A@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >1) popularity with racers is usually a function of contingency money. Very good point. Besides, I don't need/want race compounds (they would wear even quicker). In my previous post I should have said European sport riders in general, not just the racers. >2) The Azaro uses a harder rubber compound and a softer casing on the sides to give >better grip. The compound is still harder. I was wondering how this might work. Hasn't Bridgestone or one of the other biggies come out with a dual compound tires. I recall it getting great reviews back in Dec or so at the first Daytona testing, but it isn't a race tire so that was about the last I heard of it. And of course, a lot of the talk I heard re: it was skeptical because it was a new idea. >3) Bad tires are absolutely the worst. Stick with what works. For me, the ME-Zs in >the "endurance" setup work. Again, very good point. That's why I've been going through the D204's so fast. I hate having to shuck out $250 every 2400 miles or so, but I'd really hate replacing fairings, leathers, skin, etc. But I do believe I'm going to try the Avon Azaro series if I can get some. Their new variable belt density design looks very promising. And if the don't seem to be working out ok, I can always pull them off and go back to the dunlops or Mez's. How does Metzler's round profile feel compared to Dunlop's triangular profile? >4) when do you get both ends sliding with D204s, and what type of bike are you >riding? I'm riding a '93 GSXR750, K&N jet kit, Duplex Race only pipe, and 45T rear (vs. 42T stock). For the most part the D204's hold OK, but on a particularly aggressive day, I hit the corners pretty hard and have the bike all the way over to the ground. When I'm pushing it like this (usually because I'm trying to embarrass my buddy on his 916) both front and back start tpo creep over. Doesn't bother me as long as it's in a semi-controlled manner (it's the gravel washies that I hate). On the average day, the front is generally stable, and only the rear will walk around the corners. I generally ride out west of Leesburgh, VA either in a small group (for the fast rides) or with a group called Capital Area Motorhead Society (for the fun of a big group). Well, time to get around and take the wife and kid over to Reston Town center for a while. Talk to ya later. ____________________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan (and introducing the newest addition: Connor Timick) (703) 421-8777 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 6 12:26:52 1997 From: gixer@XXXXXX X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 12:26:41 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Assorted Ride Sheets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 01:51:12 -0400 >To: CAMS >From: "Collin T. Fagan" >Subject: Assorted Ride Sheets > >Greetings fellow CAMS riders, >After chatting with some buddies, I played around and created a page to add various ride sheets so that anyone looking at the page can pick off a nice ride and go enjoy. The text colors don't go great with the background (my own creation/monster) so any suggestions/ideas will be greatly and humbly appreciated. In the coming weeks I'm toying with putting a Daemon server on my PC and learning how to do cgi scripts. That way people could easily add rides to the page without me having to do the typing (or cut/paste). >My goal is to get maximum coverage of the East Coast region, so I ask a couple of things: >1) If you have a good ride, please send it (I'll give full credit of course) >2) Feel free to comment on the page and make suggestions for improvement >note: when I get my scanner up and running again, I could always add some photos of highpoints on each ride...just a thought >3) Could someone please forward this to the DC-Cycles, Balt-Cycles, NEDoD lists and any others that someone can think of to get some decent coverage (TIA) >(I don't have all the addresses handy at midnight forty five) > >The url is http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > >once there click on the map image at the bootm of page >(this way I get an idea of how many people hit the page.....to see if it's even worth the time) > >Hope to see everyone on tomorrow's ride. Since I live in Sterling, I'll meet up along VA15 or up at White's Ferry. > >Collin ____________________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan (and introducing the newest addition: Connor Timick) (703) 421-8777 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 6 14:38:49 1997 From: guilhem@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 14:40:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Assorted Ride Sheets Collin reports: >I played around and created a page to add various ride sheets so that >anyone >looking at the page can pick off a nice ride and go enjoy. nice effort Collin!....hope this comes to something was'nt there something like this started here last year? last I recall of it tho it had bogged down in format/compiler issues did anyone actually follow through? Bryan COP# 17 DoD# whocares HSTA# 7037 AMA# 508289 Aries w/Leo rising 1983 (VF750S) V45 Sabre 'Mehitabel' classy in her own way but really just a tramp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 08:43:53 1997 In-Reply-To: <83F6DC3201BD1110@usia.gov> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 8:39:11 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC Cycles) Subject: FS: 1993 Honda CB 250 P, blue MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20B.6 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway What a great bike for the beginning rider! This is a Nighthawk 250 that is very peppy for in-town riding and short-haul trips. I weigh over 200 pounds and have been riding it occaisoinally and it has no trouble hauling my big butt around. Comes with a windscreen. Book value is about 1900 bones. Bike has 4000 miles. Make me an offer. Location : Kensington, MD. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '80 Honda Goldwing 1100: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 10:21:57 1997 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 09:10:34 +0000 From: "Dr. Moze" Organization: The Pressroom Online Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FS: 1993 Honda CB 250 P, blue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adams, Bill wrote: > > What a great bike for the beginning rider! This is a Nighthawk 250 that > is very peppy for in-town riding and short-haul trips. Just my 2 cents: I saw this bike last Fall (when I bought Bill's Virago!) and it was really a nice-looking, clean bike. $^) -- Dr. Moze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 10:39:15 1997 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: DrMoze@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: saturday ride In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 04 Apr 1997 19:46:23 GMT." <33455A8F.37E4@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 10:38:04 -0400 From: "Matthew V. J. Whalen" "Dr. Moze" writes: >I am thinking of heading for a westerly ride tomorrow also (with my SO), but >alas won't be able to make it out that early. But, is Route 50 a good way to >head west? Any particular landmarks or favorite spots that I should keep my >eyes open for? It might not be all that fun for part of the trip, but it's a pretty well maintained road and not real heavily travelled (at least past Middleburg). It gets a lot more fun past Winchester and through WV. -matthew mwhalen@XXXXXX Shop as usual...........................and avoid panic buying From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 17:32:05 1997 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:23:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald DiPaula To: Brian , Chris Lewis , Christopher D Lewis , Devon Lazarus , Eugene Mosier , fatsdwyer@XXXXXX, Jason Scott Hinton , Ken Woods , Mike Zandstra , ksanti@XXXXXX, dave_choat@XXXXXX, Sandra Cox cc: all subscribed motorcycle lists -- Baltimore Cycles mailing list , Honda CB-1 mailing list , Honda CBR mailing list , DC Cycles mailing list Subject: 1989 Honda CB-1 for sale in Laurel, MD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII okay... i wasn't planning to sell my cb-1 until we found a new house, but due to a bit of a financial crisis, i've decided to put it on the market now, and take my chances with my cbr parking on the porch under my window... (hit 'd' now if you've already seen this message...) description of the bike follows, in case anyone knows of someone else looking for one. i live in laurel, maryland. please respond by email so i can keep track of everybody. if i sent this to you both individually and on a mailing list, don't worry, this is the only notice to go to lists. is i sent it to you individually and you're _not_ interested, please let me know. -D- 1989 Honda CB-1 (CB400F) ------------------------ Description: Standard-style 399cc motorcycle. 6-speed gearbox, chain drive. 17" 3-spoke alloy wheels (takes 110/70-17 and 140/70-17 tires, Bridgestone BT-35s recommended), 41mm forks. Seats rider and one passenger. 53.9" wheelbase. Front and rear hydralic disc brakes (front disc is full-floating). Average fuel economy: 42 mpg. Frame is bent-tube perimeter style, utilizing engine as stressed member. Has centre- and sidestands. Weighs approximately 400-420 lb., depending on fuel/fluid levels. Engine: 399cc inline-4 cylinder, liquid-cooled, dual overhead gear-driven camshafts, 4 valves per cylinder, individual downdraft induction carburetors, 4-into-1 exhaust. Stock, makes 45 rear-wheel measured hp @ 11,500 rpm and redlines @ 13,500 rpm. Based on Japanese-market CBR400RR engine, has same bore/stroke dimensions and camshaft mounts, but different airbox, carburetors, cam profiles, and exhaust. Specifics: of the 2 years Honda imported these to North America (1989 and 1990), only the 1989 model came with a centrestand. This bike was left outside by previous owner's ex-husband for the better part of a year, and the original clearcoat cracked and flaked away and the blue paint faded (all North American CB-1s came in the same blue color), so I had it professionally repainted the same dark green as my 1996 Honda Civic EX coupe (and I keep it waxed, too). I have installed Progressive fork springs (and still have the stock springs and spacers) and the rear shock from a CBR900RR. The bike now has about 14,000 miles on it. Previous owner dropped motorcycle at low (standing? parking-lot?) speed; vertical scratch marks are visible on engine casing. So I cannot say it has never been down; but it is in excellent condition. I have replaced (in addition to the above) oil (w/ Mobil-1 synthetic), oil filter, chain, front and rear sprockets, front and rear tires, front and rear brake pads, front wheel bearings, mirrors, handlebar end-tips, left front signal. Engine/exhaust are completely stock. This is my daily commute bike. I intend to ask US$2500 firm or best offer over US$2500 when I sell it (and that's a good bit less than I have put into it). For more general CB-1 information, see the unofficial CB-1 homepage at http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1996/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 22:47:01 1997 From: "Kitchell, Mark" To: "'DC Cycles'" Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 22:44:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 1 TEXT That was sent to the Darden staff and faculty list. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 8 09:04:43 1997 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:51:00 -0400 From: "Goddard, Jay" Subject: NIH Parking To: DC Cycles X-Mailer: Worldtalk(NetConnex V4.00a)/stream Well I am leaving the parking frying pan (Pentagon) and going into the fire(NIH). Does anyone on this list ride to NIH I will be working at building 31C. Anybody have any parking suggestions. How picky are the Cops there. Anything else you could tell me about NIH and motorcycles would be cool. Thank you, Joseph Goddard 94 ZX9R 91 EX500 (forsale) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 8 09:46:50 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 97 09:41:54 edt From: "Michael Dow" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Goddard, Jay" Subject: Re: NIH Parking Joseph, I rode to NIH for a number of years, and found the environment to be very mc-friendly. You should be able to park under building 10 and walk down to 31 from there. Just be sure that you always wear your helmet on campus. Also, sometimes the police have a speed trap set up on the road that exits you onto Jones Bridge Rd and Wisconsin/Rockville pike. You should probably take it easy on the campus in general. -Mike ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: NIH Parking Author: "Goddard, Jay" at smtpgw Date: 4/8/97 8:21 AM Well I am leaving the parking frying pan (Pentagon) and going into the fire(NIH). Does anyone on this list ride to NIH I will be working at building 31C. Anybody have any parking suggestions. How picky are the Cops there. Anything else you could tell me about NIH and motorcycles would be cool. Thank you, Joseph Goddard 94 ZX9R 91 EX500 (forsale) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 8 10:24:27 1997 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 10:23:43 -0400 From: Sandy Triolo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: NIH Parking -Reply Hi everyone! Joe, NIH is very motorcycle friendly, in my building (38a) there is designated cycle parking in the garage. I have seen cycle parking at most of the other buildings, so you should be ok (cars don't fare so well!). Welcome to nih! BTW, I am new to this list, so I will introduce myself. My name is Sandy, I am a short female (also on Short Biker List), I live in Silver Spring and have an 87 Honda Hurricane, an non-operating 89 VTR250 and a 84 Virago 1000 on the way (I hope!) I also own a 77 MGB that is shortly going to be for sale to get the money for the virago... : ) nice to meet ya's sandy >>> Goddard, Jay 04/08/97 08:51am >>> Well I am leaving the parking frying pan (Pentagon) and going into the fire(NIH). Does anyone on this list ride to NIH I will be working at building 31C. Anybody have any parking suggestions. How picky are the Cops there. Anything else you could tell me about NIH and motorcycles would be cool. Thank you, Joseph Goddard 94 ZX9R 91 EX500 (forsale) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 8 11:12:19 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 11:09:05 -0700 From: "Ivan S. Keefer" Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sandy Triolo CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NIH Parking -Reply Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sandy Triolo wrote: > > Hi everyone! Hello! > BTW, I am new to this list, so I will introduce myself. My name is Sandy, I Welcome aboard.. > I live in Silver Spring Silver Spring *shiver*, close proximity to the "Circle of Death" (i.e. Capital Beltway). Come west about 75 miles occasionally, where the air is clean, the mountains are blue, and the roads are twisty...definantly therapeutic. > have an 87 Honda Hurricane, an non-operating 89 VTR250 and a 84 > Virago 1000 on the way (I hope!) I also own a 77 MGB that is shortly > going to be for sale to get the money for the virago... : ) Sellin' the cage for a bike, I like you already! ;-) > nice to meet ya's Nice to meet you, too. :-) > sandy ------------------ Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA (Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge mts., motorcycles, *sigh*) ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (previous) AMA # 487634 Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 8 12:58:36 1997 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:02:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Garica Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bikes for sale In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Spring is sprung. For sale: 1982 Yamaha XJ-550 Seca, 8900 miles. Sporty standard, very smooth 4-cylinder engine, Kerker exhaust, six speeds, voltmeter, new tires. Excellent condition and appearance, guaranteed to pass inspection. $1250. 1979 Suzuki, GS-550-L, 15,000 mi. Cruiser, stepped seat, four cylinders, six speeds, recent Metzeler tires, Plexi-3 fairing, backrest, luggage rack. Excellent condition, guaranteed to pass inspection. $1150. 1976 Yamaha RD-400, 15,000 mi. 2-stroke six-speed playbike. Becoming collector's item. Excellent condition, guaranteed to pass inspection. $1250. 1983 Suzuki GS-550-ES, ca 20,000 mi. Dual drilled front disc brakes, Dunlop tires, good power, four cylinder, six speeds, anti-dive forks. Fair condition: sometimes jumps out of (and back into) second gear, assorted minor other stuff. $650. 1982 Kawasaki KZ-550, mileage unknown (not original speedo). Reliable, ugly. Fair condition, but everything works and will pass inspection. $650. 1982 Suzuki GS-650-E, 50,000 mi. Dynojet kit, stainless braided front brake line, Avon front tire, air shocks, cruise control. Fair condition: seat held together by duct tape, minor oil leaks, sprouting wires, side covers stolen, etc. $650. 1980 Honda 400A (Automatic). 28,000 miles. Kick and electric starter, will pass inspection. One cylinder has leaky valve seal/guide (compression ok). Good city bike, but not enough power for highway. $550. Also: 3 full fairings. One Windjammer, one La Mancha, one other. $50 each, or all three for $100. And (finally!), I have two bikes that I'll part out (or, preferably, repair): Kawasaki KZ-440 LTD, bad engine; Yamaha XJ-550 Seca, fairly major front-end damage. --garcia 202-234-9229 NW DC "Remember: always pillage BEFORE you burn." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 8 14:16:51 1997 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:40:12 -0400 X-Sender: rsanford@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rick Sanford Subject: For Sale - '95 Yamaha VMax Hi Folks, Buying a boat last fall and getting married this spring have precipitated this action. If you're in the market for a better than new, garaged, mint condition VMax, look no further. 1995 Red VMX12C - 1198cc - 145+ horsepower - 7,000 miles - Includes: Dale Walker's Holeshot Vortex exhaust and Stage 1 (less jets) carb kit, K&N filter charger, short Yamaha windscreen, tank / saddle bags, Yamaha Maintenance manual, stock exhaust and hardware, stock tool kit, battery tender, and two (Size L and XL) SHOEI RF-700 helmets (each with one clear and one blue mirror face shield). Price is firmly set at $8,750.00. Also available: First Gear two piece armored riding suit (Jacket size 44, Pant size 36) - $500.00 Size XL Gortex Lined Deerskin gauntlet riding Gloves - $40.00 Size XL Winter Insulated Gauntlet riding gloves - $25.00 Riding suit with both pair of gloves - $550.00 If interested, please respond via E-mail to rsanford@XXXXXX. Rgds, Rick Sanford From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 8 14:48:27 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:50:42 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: Bike Wanted for Temping To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hey there, I am looking to borrow, *rent* or whatever a small bike for a few days this weekend. My SO took the MSF course, passed just fine, and then got stuck with a very weirdly acting Nighthawk that essentially enabled her to fail the subsequent MVA test. She was extremely hacked off about the bike's mechanical condition, and the MSF folks were unable to do anything, since it was the only rideable bike after class Sunday. She is about one millimeter from buying her first bike, and REALLY disappointed that she flunked the test. I ride a big RF900R, which she_can_ride, but if she were to go back and retest at either DMV or MSF in Landover, it would be great to do so on a well maintained small bike that hadn't been dropped a gazillion times with a clutch that sticks. I would be interested in using it for a few days over the weekend. I would offer my brand new RF as a security deposit for damages or whatever, and take care of the bike. I have been riding since 1979, and no tickets on a bike, ever. Or whatever would seem reasonable to the current owner. Ideally a small dsplacement light bike would be best, it needen't be small framed either, since she is tall (5'9") Try calling me at 301-394-1886 if this sounds OK to you. I would really appreciatemy SO getting her license. Or email me, or call me at home after 4:30 at 301-422-8946. I would really appreciate some help here, so please call. Dave Choat From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 8 15:59:46 1997 Date: Tue Apr 8 15:55:41 1997 X-Mailer: Panda-2.0e From: Brian McCoy To: ivank@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NIH Parking -Reply Ivan S. Keefer writes: > >Silver Spring *shiver*, close proximity to the "Circle of Death" (i.e. >Capital Beltway). Come west about 75 miles occasionally, where the air >is clean, the mountains are blue, and the roads are twisty...definantly >therapeutic. > Is that an open invitation to anyone? Or just vertically challenged ladies who have their heads on right (cycles over cages)?? --- Brian McCoy '86 Honda VF500F - Scrappy bmccoy2@XXXXXX - Home / bmccoy@XXXXXX - Work Working hard Today for those Dreams of Tomorrow.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 8 17:47:31 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 16:29:33 +0000 From: "Dr. Moze" Organization: The Pressroom Online Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Virago mailorder highway pegs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anone know where I can get a set of highway pegs for my Virago by mail order? I believe MC Enterprises makes such a set, but I can't find a mail order co. that has them. (This includes Dennis Kirk and Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse; generic pegs won't fit a Virago AFAIK.) Oh yeah: I *don't* want to put on an engine guard and bolt-on pegs. Why ruin that nice clean front end? $^) Thanks in advance... -- Dr. Moze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 8 21:59:37 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 21:58:05 -0700 From: "Ivan S. Keefer" Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bmccoy2@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NIH Parking -Reply Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian McCoy wrote: > > Ivan S. Keefer writes: > > > > >Silver Spring *shiver*, close proximity to the "Circle of Death" (i.e. > >Capital Beltway). Come west about 75 miles occasionally, where the air > >is clean, the mountains are blue, and the roads are twisty...definantly > >therapeutic. > > > Is that an open invitation to anyone? Or just vertically challenged ladies > who have their heads on right (cycles over cages)?? > Well...alright, come one, come all, unless you're male, or ugly, or both. Hey, wait a minute, that counts me out, too! :-) ------------------ Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA (Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., motorcycles *sigh*) ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (previous) AMA # 487634 Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 09:56:01 1997 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 9:51:44 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virago mailorder highway pegs? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20B.6 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway I was never able to find such an item. Since the engine is a stressed member of the frame, there really isnt any place to put them. There are , however, several firms that offer forward controls, which in my opinion are a safer alternative due to the fact that reaction time is reduced as you don't have to move your foot to the rear brake pedal. Try Two Brothers Racing at http://www.twobros.com/ Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 11:25:33 1997 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:23:06 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Honda Parts sources... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20B.6 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway I just bought an '81 Gold Wing which brings me to wonder what people do for engine and replacement parts. Are dealers the only option? Who is the least expensive? I live in Kensington. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 11:50:19 1997 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:51:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: kim@XXXXXX (Kim Bieler) Subject: re: Honda Parts sources... Mail order is usually the way to go. Dennis Kirk is pretty cheap. There's also a place in Tennessee that I've used called Sloan. You can get their info out of the back of any cycle magazine. Most of the time you'll get 10-40% off list. _________________________________________________ * * * Kim Bieler * * * American Writing/Communications Development Incorporated http://www.cdinet.com FZR 600 '90 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 12:17:05 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 12:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: "Adams, Bill" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Honda Parts sources... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Bill, Some people would argue that you 'should' frequent your local dealer because they might not stick around if the market is thin. In some very rare cases, I believe this is true (mom n pop shops which 'do' deserve the business). However, most dealers mark up there parts at incredible rates justified by having to pay shipping, inventory, and the employee that helps you until the product is sold. I personally avoid the dealer because there are very good supply houses that are 99.9% sure to have what you need, get it to you within a couple of days, and charge you considerably less than your local gouger. They are very competitive with each other which suits me fine as a consumer. Pick up one of the more popular moto mags around (Cycle, Motorcyclist, etc.), and check the adverts in the back. There are usually five or more 1-800 supply houses listed. Shop them all! You will find that on odd parts, prices vary very much. I believe that the market will bear the price people are willing to pay, and if dealers are charging so much, you can bet they have a market. You however do not need to be a part of it. Be an informed consumer. Until later, Todd '92 NiteHawk CB750.....Ride it every day! For Sale '83 Shadow VT500c miles 41k For Sale 2-RF700 Shoei, 1- medium, 1-small, both burgundy Sold '76 SuperSport CB550f 14k Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:23:06 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Honda Parts sources... Content-disposition: inline I just bought an '81 Gold Wing which brings me to wonder what people do for engine and replacement parts. Are dealers the only option? Who is the least expensive? I live in Kensington. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 12:39:35 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 12:38:54 -0400 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kim Bieler CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Honda Parts sources... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kim Bieler wrote: > > Mail order is usually the way to go. Dennis Kirk is pretty cheap. There's > also a place in Tennessee that I've used called Sloan. You can get their > info out of the back of any cycle magazine. Most of the time you'll get > 10-40% off list. Umm, I have to differ with Kim on Dennis Kirk. They're pretty expensive comparatively. You gotta figure OEM parts have the price set by American Hondda, so I think most dealers will have about the same price. Coleman Power Sports is _not_ the way to go though. They are more expensive as a rule even if the parts guys are probably the only friendly comptetent people there. I've used Honda of Troy in Ohio on a number of occasions. They are competent people. Their phone number is 1-800-755-2112. Stuff gets to you in 3 days (same as any local dealer). Speaking of local dealers, you may want to pick up the microfiche for your bike at your local dealer (any one). They get new ones every year and most save old microfiches. That way you can go to the library and know your part number ahead of time. Hope this helps, JK ======================================================================= John C. Kozyn |1970 Triumph Trident -(last bike) "Noli urinare 1985 VF700F |1970 Triumph Tiger -(crashed bike) contra ventus" Interceptor |1965 Honda CB160 -(first bike) (anonymous) ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 13:18:29 1997 From: michael.ditullio@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 9 Apr 97 12:51:33 EDT To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Honda Parts sources... Organization: Lockheed Martin News-Software: UReply 3.1 The people on my ST1100 list swear by Banzai Parts, 800-405-7283. Ask fo Jason. They say Banzai costs on the average 40% less than the local deal ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Mike DiTullio |All opinions are my own, and I have | |mailto:michael.ditullio@XXXXXX |thousands of them to donate...ask me| |mailto:spazman@XXXXXX | Southern NJ: Land of No twisties | |1-800-AMA-JOIN |87 GTI,89 HawkGT,95 ST1100 STOC#105 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 13:29:26 1997 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:31:10 -0400 From: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Honda Parts sources... Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline Does this supplier carry accessories as well, ie: tank bags, saddle bags, or just parts? Anyone know where I can get access. cheaper than dealer? Thanks! Matt 95 'Hawk 750 > The people on my ST1100 list swear by Banzai Parts, 800-405-7283. Ask > fo Jason. They say Banzai costs on the average 40% less than the > local deal > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > |Mike DiTullio |All opinions are my own, and I > |have | mailto:michael.ditullio@XXXXXX |thousands of them to > |donate...ask me| mailto:spazman@XXXXXX | Southern NJ: Land > |of No twisties | > |1-800-AMA-JOIN |87 GTI,89 HawkGT,95 ST1100 STOC#105 | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Matt Elliott 301.847.6242 (voice) Territory Leader, 301.419.0288 (fax) Mid-Atlantic Region DIGEX http://www.digex.net From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 14:04:45 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 14:03:26 -0400 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Elliott - DIGEX CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Honda Parts sources... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt Elliott - DIGEX wrote: > > Does this supplier carry accessories as well, ie: tank bags, saddle bags, or > just parts? Anyone know where I can get access. cheaper than dealer? > > Thanks! Matt: Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse is not too bad if you're not in a hurry sometimes. Makesure to ask if they're backordered, people there seem honest - in sharp contrast to Competition Accessories, which I heard filed bankruptcy. MAW prices can't be beat. But yesterday I had to order an Eclipse bag elswhere, they just didn't have any in stock. MAW also lets you order on-line, but you won't be able to verify stock or backorder status. The URL is: http://www.accwhse.com/ JK ======================================================================= John C. Kozyn |1970 Triumph Trident -(last bike) "Noli urinare 1985 VF700F |1970 Triumph Tiger -(crashed bike) contra ventus" Interceptor |1965 Honda CB160 -(first bike) (anonymous) ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 14:15:00 1997 From: michael.ditullio@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 9 Apr 97 13:47:09 EDT To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Honda Parts sources... Organization: Lockheed Martin News-Software: UReply 3.1 In a previous message, you wrote: >Does this supplier carry accessories as well, ie: tank bags, saddle bags, or >just parts? Anyone know where I can get access. cheaper than dealer? > >Thanks! > >Matt >95 'Hawk 750 > > >> The people on my ST1100 list swear by Banzai Parts, 800-405-7283. Ask >> for Jason. They say Banzai costs on the average 40% less than the >> local dealer. Banzai has small 1/4 pg ads in most months of MOTORCYLIST and CYCLE WORLD. From the ad it looks like just parts. As for every other piece of motorcycle accessories and gear ANY mail order place is going to be cheaper than your dealer. Whether that is fair to your local dealer is up to you to decide. Pick up any copy of the above magazines and I guarantee you see more than enough mail order places to satisfy your curiosity. As for reliablity of the mail order stores, well, for every horror story there is a story of glowing praise. Dennis Kirk seems to be the only one everyone has something nice to say about. Their catalog is fantastic but their prices are higher on everything besides tires and helmets. On those they will match anyones price. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Mike DiTullio |All opinions are my own, and I have | |mailto:michael.ditullio@XXXXXX |thousands of them to donate...ask me| |mailto:spazman@XXXXXX | Southern NJ: Land of No twisties | |1-800-AMA-JOIN |87 GTI,89 HawkGT,95 ST1100 STOC#105 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 16:33:25 1997 From: "Bruce Dimon" To: "Adams, Bill" , Subject: Re: Honda Parts sources... Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:12:25 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I just bought an '81 Gold Wing which brings me to wonder what people do > for engine and replacement parts. Are dealers the only option? Who is the > least expensive? I live in Kensington. You are really close to Myers Cycle Engineering, also in Kensington, MD. I bought all my Gold Wing parts there before I moved to Idaho in 1994. They were knowledgable and courteous to their customers and their prices were fair. Tell them Bruce, the Gold Wing rider who moved to Idaho, reccomened them. Tell them my 1989 GL1500 now has 113,000 miles with no major breakdowns. I replaced the fork seals at 100,000 miles and am now replacing the thermostat but I consider them "minor repairs." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 23:40:18 1997 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 23:38:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: NIH Parking At 08:51 8-04-97 -0400, you wrote: > >Well I am leaving the parking frying pan (Pentagon) and going into the >fire(NIH). Does anyone on this list ride to NIH I will be working at >building 31C. Anybody have any parking suggestions. How picky are the Cops >there. Anything else you could tell me about NIH and motorcycles would be >cool. I worked at NIH for 3 years. I live in Dale City. There are motorcycle parking spots at NIH. Motorcycle parking at NIH is better than at the Pentagon, the spots don't get full and you don't have to walk so far. I don't remember where the bike spots are at 31C but there will be parking near it when you get there. I worked in Bldg 10. It was nice to park indoors on the 'red sticker' level right next to the elevator. Cops on campus are real picky about speed. I also heard that one biker got a ticket for parking in a corner of the car lot rather than in a motorcycle spot, but it was only one, and he parked there for most of a year before it happened. Parking is free for both cars and bikes, but car parking fills up at 31C by about 8 AM. Cars have to register in Bldg 31, bikes just park; no stickers, no notification, no hassle. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 10 08:48:17 1997 From: "Forbes, David - EM" To: DC Moto List Subject: Yamaha service.... Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 08:50:00 PDT Encoding: 9 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I hate to ask a question that may have been asked lately...but...does anyone know of a particularly good Yamaha service shop in the NoVA area? I need a little work done and as always, don't want to spend too much. Thanks! By the way...in a week I'll have my tank and side covers back with shiny new paint...for what the bike is it will look about as good as it gets...lol! Dave Forbes Arlington '80 Yam 400 - First bike ('96) / only bike so far From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 10 09:25:35 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:17:39 +0000 From: "Dr. Moze" Organization: The Pressroom Online Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Forbes, David - EM" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yamaha service.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forbes, David - EM wrote: > > I hate to ask a question that may have been asked lately...but...does anyone > know of a particularly good Yamaha service shop in the NoVA area? I need a > little work done and as always, don't want to spend too much. Thanks! I can recommend Crossroads Cycle, right off of Route 7 at Bailey's Crossroads. Their phone # is 820-3711. Had my Virago tuned up there last year (after adding new pipes) and the guys are friendly and knowledgeable. > '80 Yam 400 - First bike ('96) / only bike so far My first bike was a 1978 Yammie XS400. I remember it fondly, but didn't like it onthe highway too much. The front drum brake didn't inspire too much confidence either, but it was a great learning bike. $^) -- Dr. Moze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 10 09:48:50 1997 From: "Forbes, David - EM" To: DC Moto List Subject: 400 YamPipes Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 09:51:00 PDT Encoding: 8 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Hi it's me again. Just thought I would put the word out that if anyone runs across a set of original pipes for a 1978-1980 Yamaha 400 I would appreciate it if you would let me know. The original bikes had dual pipes, low and long. My emails are ForbesD@XXXXXX and UcircleDF@XXXXXX. Thanks! Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 10 10:05:59 1997 From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'DrMoze@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Yamaha service.... Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:02:21 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could someone give me a brief description of what a Yamaha XS is like? A standard? Also, what are the differences between an XS and an XJ? I know what an FJ is, but somehow I think it is very different :-) Reason is that I have a friend that is interested in purchasing and XJ, but has not gone to see it yet and wants to make sure what "class of bike" it is before going out to look at it. TIA, chris ----------------------------------------------------- Christopher A. Meier Northrop Grumman Corporation Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ----------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Dr. Moze[SMTP:DrMoze@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, April 10, 1997 5:17 AM >To: Forbes, David - EM >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Yamaha service.... > >My first bike was a 1978 Yammie XS400. I remember it fondly, but didn't >like it onthe highway too much. The front drum brake didn't inspire too >much confidence either, but it was a great learning bike. $^) > >-- > > Dr. Moze > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 10 10:47:48 1997 From: "Forbes, David - EM" To: DC Moto List Subject: Chris FYI Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 10:51:00 PDT Encoding: 7 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Chris, I have a gif of an XS online, and will send it if you give me a direct email address. A picture is worth a thousand words. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 10 11:19:09 1997 From: "Forbes, David - EM" To: DC Moto List Subject: Giddyyap..... Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 11:22:00 PDT Encoding: 11 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Anyone have any interest in combining a bike ride this Sunday with a winery tour, horseback ride, and lunch? You would have to arrive in Hume, Virginia at Oasis winery at 11:30 a.m. It's about an hour outside of D.C., south of Rte. 66. It is a great ride out there, nice scenery and some twisty roads. If you are interested let me know and give me your number so I can pass it on. My friend has two tickets and can't go now. I thought one of you might want to do it. This is not a "biker" event, but I thought it might work out well to combine the two. ForbesD@XXXXXX Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 10 11:36:45 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:41:03 -0400 (EDT) From: John Blaine Godfrey To: "Forbes, David - EM" cc: DC Moto List Subject: Re: 400 YamPipes In-Reply-To: <334D19C7@usva1.dyncorp.com.> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Once again I would recommend letting your fingers do the walking. More specifically, grab pen and paper, head to your local magazine shoppe and look for adds in the back of every suitable motorcycle magazine. (feeling guilty? buy them and do the same in the warmth of your own home.) (btw "suitable" as in if you are looking for factory parts for a yamaha don't bother with American Iron.) I had a 1977 xs650 that needed new pipes. I shopped all the local places and found used and aftermarket stuff ranging from $300 to $700. Finally called an outfit in Wisconsin and they shipped the headers, mufflers, gaskets, head bolts and even some of the rubber bumpers (to keep the center stand from rubbing). They were dirty, but cleaned up easily. Price tag? $85. Conversely, I bought super fancy air filters that cost a fortune because I couldn''t find any cheap aftermarket ones. Come to find out buying stock from Coleman Powersport would have been substantially cheaper. Moral? Check everywhere. On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Forbes, David - EM wrote: > > Hi it's me again. Just thought I would put the word out that if anyone runs > across a set of original pipes for a 1978-1980 Yamaha 400 I would appreciate > it if you would let me know. The original bikes had dual pipes, low and > long. My emails are ForbesD@XXXXXX and UcircleDF@XXXXXX. > > Thanks! > Dave > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 10 13:11:08 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:07:07 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC Moto List), land-rover-owner@XXXXXX Subject: Tip of the day MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20B.6 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Throw a couple of golf tees into your favorite spares nesting area for those occaisions when you need to plug a fuel line. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 18:12:03 1997 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:10:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Yamaha service.... The bike is a 17 yr old 400. Anything they do to it will cost more than the bike is worth. I think you ought to buy a service manual and do it yourself. Even if you do it wrong, it will be cheaper to do it twice yourself than to pay someone else to do it once. One of the big advantages to having an old bike that isn't a classic is that you can use it to learn to work on bikes, then transfer those skills to a newer more expensive one without having to worry about damage. At 08:50 10-04-97 PDT, you wrote: > >I hate to ask a question that may have been asked lately...but...does anyone >know of a particularly good Yamaha service shop in the NoVA area? I need a >little work done and as always, don't want to spend too much. Thanks! By the >way...in a week I'll have my tank and side covers back with shiny new >paint...for what the bike is it will look about as good as it gets...lol! >Dave Forbes >Arlington >'80 Yam 400 - First bike ('96) / only bike so far > > Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 14 10:07:09 1997 Date: Mon Apr 14 10:04:18 1997 X-Mailer: Panda-2.0e From: Brian McCoy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Can Someone Help?? *sigh* Alright, I admit it.. I've been a bad person and rideing with only a learners permit. Went to try and take my rideing test today and they wouldn't let me unless I had a properly licensed rider there with me (sounds like a bunch of bull to me, but oh-well). I'd like to do this legaly.. and am wondering if anyone has time this week (mornings - 8:30-noon) or this Saturday where they could accompany me to the MVA office. I'm looking at going to the MVA near Lanham, MD - but will go anywhere in MD that's convinient for whoever's helping me. Thanks in advance - P.S. Call or write here if you can help... it's much appreciated - 301-454-0913 --- Brian McCoy '86 Honda VF500F - Scrappy bmccoy2@XXXXXX - Home / bmccoy@XXXXXX - Work Working hard Today for those Dreams of Tomorrow.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 13:45:35 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:48:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: Stolen Bike: RD-350 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Stolen: Yamaha RD-350, 1976, 15,000 miles, orange tank, VIN 1A1017124 from Mt. Pleasant, DC. Let me/police know if you see it. Reward for recovery. Thanks. Garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 08:16:12 1997 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:13:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Need 3 sidecarists in Washington DC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, there. I'd like to take the sidecar training course, and need at least 3 other sidecarists in order to have enough people for a class. This would be in the Washington, DC, area (actually west of the city about 20 miles). Jim Cain, the instructor, is willing to travel, so if the other 3 (or more) riders live away from DC, we might be able to have the course there, too. thanks, Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 09:01:22 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: Distribution@XXXXXX Subject: WANTED/NEEDED! For Suzuki GSX1100f Katana........ X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Hi everyone, A friend of mine met with an unfortunate spill last evening that pretty much took off the shifter/clutch side attachments. Specifically: - Front and Rear turn signal assemblies - Foot peg mount - Mirror assembly (burgundy) In addition, the front wheel is now warped (severely). Questions for all: - Does anyone know if the front wheel can be repaired (straightened)? - Does anyone own this type of bike, and be willing to part out? - Can anyone suggest a good scrap yard, or inexpensive parts place( No. VA/MD/DC)? I'm aware of mail order. Thanks in advance to all who answer, Until later, Todd '92 NiteHawk CB750.....Ride it every day! For Sale '83 Shadow VT500c miles 41k For Sale 2-RF700 Shoei, 1- medium, 1-small, both burgundy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 20:04:27 1997 From: JD6201md@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:02:47 -0400 (EDT) To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: A Poker Run??? [ Please excuse the X-post] Just thought I'd post a little explanation of what a poker run is for those of you who may be new to the road riding sport: A Poker Run is an organized road ride in which entrants follow a prescribed route visiting check points (usually five) set up along the course. At each check point, riders are given some type of reciept proving they were there at the end of the run. All riders assemble to redeem their receipts for a Poker hand. Pure luck determines the Poker hand you draw. (You don't even need to know how to play poker to win!) The best Poker hands in various classes for riders and passengers win prizes. Many clubs also present awards for longest distance traveled to get there and low hand. What a great way to travel roads you'd never find on your own! If you're still with me, why not check out the Road Riding schedule for AMA District 7 (MD-DC-DE) and what's going on in the area. Some of the events listed are simply variations on the standard Poker Run theme. Entrants do not have to be members of the AMA to particpate. Check out the schedule of events at.... BALTIMORE CYCLES HOME PAGE or........ AntietamMC' s Home Page Hope to see you there! -- Jeff DeLauder From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 13:02:12 1997 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:59:46 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Looking for Mechanic X-X-Sender: morris@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A friend of mine is considering looking for a used bike. He does not have the knowledge to do a pre-purchase inspection himself. Can anyone recommend a good local mechanic that will inspect a bike prior to purchase? My friend is looking for someone he can trust to give an honest assessment of the condition of the bike and, if need be, he can bring it to someone else to do the MD state safety inspection. Any helpful comments are greatly appreciated. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, morris@XXXXXX, http://www.glue.umd.edu/~morris/ MSB, PFD, WTD, ARL <-- Obviously a Government Employee '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 13:47:36 1997 X-Sender: gerrymc@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:44:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Gerry McMahon Subject: Sport bike fest Hi all, Was down at the Frederick H-D parts counter today and the dood there told me their having a Sport bike fest tomorrow, April 19 ... all day. They'll be doing demo rides on the Buells ... and they've picked up some Kawasakis, Ducs, and BMW's so you can compare them to the Buell. Head to head demo rides. Gerry 96 XLH From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 14:56:24 1997 From: Sanjay Sinha Subject: Re: Looking for Mechanic To: morris@XXXXXX (Morris Berman) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Morris Berman" at Apr 18, 97 12:59:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > A friend of mine is considering looking for a used bike. He does not have > the knowledge to do a pre-purchase inspection himself. Can anyone > recommend a good local mechanic that will inspect a bike prior to > purchase? My friend is looking for someone he can trust to give an honest > assessment of the condition of the bike and, if need be, he can bring it > to someone else to do the MD state safety inspection. Any helpful > comments are greatly appreciated. i recently went to cross roads cycle center at balieys crossroads in VA. my impressions were: competent, friendly, honest: in partuclar order their charges were reasonable and they stay open till 7, important if you go there after work. sanjay -- Sanjay Sinha Resident of Washington D.C. DoD #1224 Statistically speaking, i'm safer in Beirut. CB 650 'The Cow' Standard disclaimers apply. VT 700C 'nonameyet' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 23:45:42 1997 X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm02sc02 From: CDJV17A@XXXXXX (MR MIKE MUTH) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 23:31:52, -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 1975 Honda Goldwing GL 1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII My neighbor has a 1975 Honda Goldwing GL 1000 in good running condition with 27,000 original miles(been sitting for a while) and it looks to be in good condition. Anyhow, he's wondering since this was the first year for the Goldwing, about how much is it worth? He may be considering selling it....Mike-in Southern Maryland From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 01:43:34 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 01:42:48 -0400 (EDT) From: my own worst nightmare To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VFR750F FOR SALE In-Reply-To: <199704190331.XAA294918@mime4.prodigy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i know i posted once about this already, but this is the new special! for sale: 1992 VFR750F (only year they made a black one) 7,500 miles Two Brothers slip-on (not rejetted, not needed) New (as in less than 500 miles on them) Metzeler MEZ's... MEZ1 front, MEZ2 rear Gustaffson Racing windscreen (very nice, adds a little more wind protection) Hondaline Seat Cowl (no broken tabs - perfect) Hondaline centerstand (nice to have) regular oil changes, dealer maintained (i work in the service dept of the dealer in question) book value is $5,500, and i would like to get that out of it, but i AM willing to negotiate (within reason) please please someone give my baby a good home... it deserves it, as it's had one up 'til now! if you don't want it, tell someone who does - this needs to happen yesterday, so respond asap... thanks! seth From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 22:46:47 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 22:33:56 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Sport bike fest To: Gerry McMahon cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970418174457.008eafbc@pop.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Gerry McMahon wrote: > Was down at the Frederick H-D parts counter today and the dood there told me > their having a Sport bike fest tomorrow, April 19 ... all day. Washington HD had one too(they only had Buells though).They called it a "Buell Fest".Me and one other guy were the only ones I saw on Buells.:-P On the up side,there was a Buell drag bike,and I got to hear what the V&H pipe for Buells sounds like.I definitely need to get one!;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S1 Lightning GATB#1121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 23:22:39 1997 X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm02sc02 From: CDJV17A@XXXXXX (MR MIKE MUTH) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 23:16:20, -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 1975 Honda Goldwing GL1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII I have a friend that has a 1975 Honda Goldwing GL 1000 that is in good running condition and looks good to boot. Has 27,000 original miles. What would this bike be worth as the first production year for this model....Mike-in Southern Maryland From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 22 10:31:55 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:27:01 -0700 From: "Ivan S. Keefer" Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: st1100@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hsta@XXXXXX Subject: Ridin' book Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey folks, This sounds like a good read. Check out a review at: http://www.villagevoice.com/ink/marlowe.html ------------------ Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA (Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., motorcycles *sigh*) ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (previous) AMA # 487634 Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 22 12:10:02 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:55:05 -0400 From: Dave_Choat@XXXXXX (Dave Choat) Subject: RF900R For Sale To: ivank@XXXXXX, st1100@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hsta@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part 1995 Suzuki RF900R for sale, deep metallic red with silver "900" on the lower fairing. All factory, no performance modifications. Suzuki Touring Seat, Suzuki Tank Bra, Umgo Remote Alarm System $5300.00 Bike was purchased new on May 3rd, 1996 and is still under factory warranty. Being sold by old stodgy guy who prefers touring style to high speed antics. The bike has never been dropped, and has been garaged 95% of its lifetime. There is 6800 miles on the odometer, and the battery is brand new. Freestate Cycle in Bladensburg says it is in mint condition, (there_is_a scratch on the grab bar). I want to sell it for the wholesale price and a percentage of the accessories I put on the bike. I am buying another different bike, and if nobody buys it, fine, I am getting the other bike anyway. The wholesale (not retail) is 4-5K depending on mileage and condition, the accessories total another $500.00 as well. So it is a deal really, I am not gouging anyone on the price, the buyer gets a_very_clean bike, or I keep same because it is a very nice bike indeed. It will pass inspection, looks nice and can remove warts too.:) I am not under some frenetic compulsion to sell, so I will_not take a loss on it. The bike is paid for, and I already have the money for the new one too. I could own two bikes, but one is enough for me. So the price is firm. Interested buyers can contact me at 301.422.8946 (h) or 301.394.1886 (w) the bike is located in College Park, Md. Call for further details. Dave Choat dchoat@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 23 11:45:06 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 11:35:55 edt From: "Joe Snider" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: HUMOR: Internet light bulb and mail lists > >Thought all of us might appreciate this one... > >> >> >Q: How many internet mail list subscribers does it take >> > to change a light bulb? >> > >> >A: 1,331: >> > >> > 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail >> > list that the light bulb has been changed >> > >> > 14 to share similar experiences of changing light >> > bulbs and how the light bulb could have been >> > changed differently. >> > >> > 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. >> > >> > 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about >> > changing light bulbs. >> > >> > 53 to flame the spell checkers >> > >> > 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about >> > the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness >> > to this mail list. >> > >> > 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. >> > >> > 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and >> > to please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb >> > >> > 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, >> > alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing >> > light bulbs be stopped. >> > >> > 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we >> > are all use light bulbs and therefore the posts >> > **are** relevant to this mail list. >> > >> > 306 to debate which method of changing light >> > bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, >> > what brand of light bulbs work best for this >> > technique, and what brands are faulty. >> > >> > 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of >> > different light bulbs >> > >> > 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and >> > to post corrected URLs. >> > >> > 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that >> > are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs >> > relevant to this list. >> > >> > 33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote >> > them including all headers and footers, and then >> > add "Me Too." >> > >> > 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing >> > because they cannot handle the light bulb >> > controversey. >> > >> > 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." >> > >> > 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ. >> > >> > 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup. >> > >> > 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion >> > was meant for, leave it here. >> > >> > 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb. >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 23 14:39:52 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Todd B Peer" To: Distribution@XXXXXX Subject: Poker Run.... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e All, There is a Poker Run being held this Sunday sponsored by PARR. I'm not a member, but have attended before. The map usually runs through MD, Va and WVa for around 150 miles. Great roads/scenery! Poker Run - 4/27 - 9am-11am $8.00 fon non-AMA ($7.00 for AMA) Coleman Powersport 14105 Telegraph Rd Woodbridge - 703 - 497-1500 If anyone is interested in riding down with me, let me know. I live in W. Springfield and would be willing to meet up somewhere close by. Until later, Todd '92 NiteHawk CB750.....Ride it every day! For Sale '83 Shadow VT500c miles 41k For Sale 2-RF700 Shoei, 1- medium, 1-small, both burgundy Document Formatting applied. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 23 16:56:30 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:48:11 -0400 From: talexand@XXXXXX (Trey Alexander) Subject: Motorcycle rentals To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Does anyone know of a local (DC area) service that rents motorcycles? I live in Northern Virginia and would like to rent a bike for the day for a friend who will be visiting me soon. Thanks, Trey From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 24 08:26:33 1997 From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'Suzuki List'" Subject: Price Quote Please. Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:26:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ***Caution, Cross posted to two lists*** Could you all tell me what the approximate worth of this bike should be? 1996 Suzuki Savage 650 Bike has 3000 miles on it Good shape Located at a dealer in Washington DC metro area. I am helping a new rider get their first bike. They like this Savage and the dealer wants US $4100, including a set of leather saddlebags, used, that came on the bike. While I know this is high, I am not sure what to expect to get this price down to. Could someone give me a wholesale, retail and trade-in quote for it from an ADA book or preferably MCN please? I figure about US $3500 is probably fair, but want to validate my guess. Thanks, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 24 08:41:44 1997 X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "Meier, Christopher" , "'dc-cycles'" , "'Suzuki List'" Subject: RE: Price Quote Please. Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 05:37:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 40 TEXT, 57 UUENCODE X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Cycle Sport (Herndon) is selling 'em new for about 3700 (if I remember correctly) - definitely well under 4K -----Original Message----- From: Meier, Christopher [SMTP:MEIERCH@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 1997 08:26 To: 'dc-cycles'; 'Suzuki List' Subject: Price Quote Please. ***Caution, Cross posted to two lists*** Could you all tell me what the approximate worth of this bike should be? 1996 Suzuki Savage 650 Bike has 3000 miles on it Good shape Located at a dealer in Washington DC metro area. I am helping a new rider get their first bike. They like this Savage and the dealer wants US $4100, including a set of leather saddlebags, used, that came on the bike. While I know this is high, I am not sure what to expect to get this price down to. 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According to the police, they don't have alot of success recovering bikes. The insurance company gives them 30 days to find it before declaring it "gone." If anyone runs across it, or has any words of encouragement or advice, I would certainly appreciate it. I've never wished anyone to have an accident on a bike, but right now I'm rethinking that philosophy for whoever is riding mine. Harry Greenspun From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 24 11:04:04 1997 From: "Forbes, David - EM" To: DC Moto List Subject: ZX-11 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 97 11:08:00 PDT Encoding: 10 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Harry, This is a shot in the dark, not knowing if bikes are usually stolen for parts, shipped out of local area, or whatever, but whomever stole your bike will likely have to have a key remade....perhaps you could put the word out to all bike shops and key shops with the capability to remake a key for your bike. You never know. Dave Forbes From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 24 11:07:55 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 97 11:04:15 EST From: "Matt Plowman" Encoding: 8 Text To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jplowman@XXXXXX, pmp@XXXXXX Subject: Looking for a seat for an 80xs650 Yamaha Hi all, Just picked up an 80 XS 650 Yamaha Special II. Thing is, it needs a seat. Anyone have a stocker in repairable to VG condition? If so, could you please reply to me directly? Thanks! Matt Plowman pmp@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 24 11:15:57 1997 From: "Forbes, David - EM" To: DC Moto List Subject: 78KX em address Date: Thu, 24 Apr 97 11:21:00 PDT Encoding: 5 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 EM address for James Doyle returns unknown. Please post correct EM address. Bike will sell faster that way...;-) D. Forbes From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 01:29:12 1997 From: Garcia Oliver To: "Meier, Christopher" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" , "'Suzuki List'" Subject: Re: Price Quote Please. Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:51:18 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit $3525 in Nov 96 MCN --garcia On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Meier, Christopher wrote: > ***Caution, Cross posted to two lists*** > > Could you all tell me what the approximate worth of this bike should be? > > 1996 Suzuki Savage 650 > Bike has 3000 miles on it > Good shape > Located at a dealer in Washington DC metro area. > > I am helping a new rider get their first bike. They like this Savage > and the dealer wants US $4100, including a set of leather saddlebags, > used, that came on the bike. While I know this is high, I am not sure > what to expect to get this price down to. > > Could someone give me a wholesale, retail and trade-in quote for it from > an ADA book or preferably MCN please? > > I figure about US $3500 is probably fair, but want to validate my guess. > > Thanks, > chris > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 20:33:50 1997 Date: Fri Apr 25 20:31:08 1997 X-Mailer: Panda-2.0e From: Brian McCoy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Late planning... Ok.. rideing home (or rather, to a computer) I heard the weather tomorrow is supposed to be spetacular..... myself not being known for great, good or even fair planning... I was wondering if someone else had any rides planned this weekend that they might let another in on. Or if there were several singles who were interesed in rideing together... I know VERY little of the surrounding area.... but am always game for exploring.... Anyone intersted in rideing this weekend?? Either e-mail me here for a Sunday ride.. or call me at home (301)454-0913 up till about midnight either tonight or tomorrow night... Ride safe everyone.... --- Brian McCoy '86 Honda VF500F - Scrappy (Scratchy?) bmccoy2@XXXXXX - Home / bmccoy@XXXXXX - Work Working hard Today for those Dreams of Tomorrow.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 22:03:16 1997 X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 22:04:05 -0400 To: bmccoy2@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Late planning... At , Brian McCoy wrote: >.... Anyone intersted in >rideing this weekend?? Either e-mail me here for a Sunday ride.. or call me at >home (301)454-0913 up till about midnight either tonight or tomorrow night... > >Ride safe everyone.... PARR is having a poker run on Sunday that starts at the dealership everyone loves to hate. . . Coleman Powersport in Woodbridge. I'm going to ride it on a moped. Come on out if you think you can keep up. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 26 18:25:28 1997 From: ISOcredo@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 18:23:37 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Accident near Poolesville? Just got back from a wonderful ride out through Maryland along the Potomac to Harper's Ferry and back. Saw lots of bikers -- any of you among them? But towards the end of the ride we saw something worrisome. Route 28 was blocked off by a police cruiser, a bike was lying down in the grass on the shoulder and another bike was parked up ahead, and lots of activity was going on. We saw a fire engine and rescue squad heading away from the scene, without sirens. This was Saturday, maybe around 4:00 p.m. or so. Anyone know about this accident? Was anyone hurt? It was sobering, to say the least, and I rode a little more carefully the rest of the way home. Stay safe, everyone. --Linda '96 Virago 535 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 28 09:26:52 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:24:34 -0500 From: "Warren W. Weiss" Organization: DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Poker Run.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd B Peer wrote: > There is a Poker Run being held this Sunday sponsored by PARR. > I'm not a member, but have attended before. I have been on a few PARR runs before. I even won a hand once! (the two-up category, believe it or not). They are fantastic runs through some of the nicest countryside you'll see...East Coast, anyway... Does anybody know PARR's URL? I searched, but couldn't find it... http://www.parr.com/ ain't it. :) It would be nice to be back on their mailing list. -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet Sales Engineer One DIGEX Plaza mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 28 13:01:33 1997 From: Dark Hacker Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:00:57 -0400 (EDT) To: ISOcredo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Accident near Poolesville? From: ISOcredo@XXXXXX Subject: Accident near Poolesville? Just got back from a wonderful ride out through Maryland along the Potomac to Harper's Ferry and back. Saw lots of bikers -- any of you among them? But towards the end of the ride we saw Hey Linda. Well I had a wonderful ride up to Pennsylvannia just south of Lancaster. There, some friends of mine and I rode on the Strausburg Railroad and toured the Pennsylvania Rail museum. South of Strasburg is Amish country and some very nice riding through rolling farmland, so Saturday I had a blast. The Harley riders were out in force, enjoying the sun and pleasant riding on Saturday. The ride home Sunday evening was *not* pleasent. I did the entire 6 hours in the rain, and looked like a wet rat by midnight when I arrived home. I was completely soaked, on the edge of hypothermia and dreaming of that brand new rainsuit I was going to buy the next day. The motorcycle (Honda CB750) ran flawlessly and (suprisingly) rock solid even on the slippery superslabs. But I had a good ride Saturday and used Sunday's sobering ride to regain awareness of the need for technical mastery and sane control on the road. It was sobering, to say the least, and I rode a little more carefully the rest of the way home. Stay safe, everyone. Yup, always make sure you ride within your personal parameters and keep in mind the riding environment (rain, wind, gravel, ice). - Hacker. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 28 13:43:47 1997 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Accident near Poolesville? Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 13:38:22 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" X-Mailer: messageMCI v3.3 -- [ From: Linda J. Tanner * EMC.Ver #3.3 ] -- There was an small article in the Post today about a biker who was killed near Poolesville on Saturday. This is possibly what you saw. LindaT. 95 F3 -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- > Date: Saturday, 26-Apr-97 05:23 PM > > From: ISOcredo@XXXXXX \ America On-Line: () > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX \ Internet: (dc-cycles@XXXXXX) > > Subject: Accident near Poolesville? > > Just got back from a wonderful ride out through Maryland along the Potomac to > Harper's Ferry and back. Saw lots of bikers -- any of you among them? But > towards the end of the ride we saw something worrisome. Route 28 was blocked > off by a police cruiser, a bike was lying down in the grass on the shoulder > and another bike was parked up ahead, and lots of activity was going on. We > saw a fire engine and rescue squad heading away from the scene, without > sirens. This was Saturday, maybe around 4:00 p.m. or so. Anyone know about > this accident? Was anyone hurt? > > It was sobering, to say the least, and I rode a little more carefully the > rest of the way home. Stay safe, everyone. > > --Linda > '96 Virago 535 -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 28 14:05:20 1997 X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:01:47 -0400 To: "Linda Tanner" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Washington Post article Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: <19970428174249.AAA21847@[166.32.84.50]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Washington World Section: I got this off of www.washingtonpost.com Harry Motorcyclist Dies of Injuries From Crash Monday, April 28 1997; Page B03 The Washington Post=20 A Rockville man died yesterday from injuries he suffered in a motorcycle crash in Poolesville on Saturday, Montgomery County police said. Jeffrey Michael Robbins, 33, of the 5800 block of Inman Park Circle, was driving westbound on Route 28 near Jerusalem Road when he lost control of his motorcycle, crossed the median and struck a tree, police said. Robbins had spinal cord injuries and broken arms, police said. =A9 Copyright 1997 The Washington Post Company From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 29 08:46:29 1997 From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: FW: the pace Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:46:35 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought this one was worth passing along. Take Care, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: macfarland@XXXXXX[SMTP:macfarland@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 8:13 AM >To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX >Subject: the pace > >got this from another list. thought it was worth sharing. > >It's called, "The Pace" and it was written >by Motorcyclist/Cycle World editor Nick Ienatsch. Most of you have read >it before - Read it again. The point is to keep everyone aware of where >and how we ride, and to have a safe, great riding season! Enjoy! > >This is Nick Ienatsch's Pace philosophy ... >Reprinted w/o permission from 06/93 Sport Rider > > > PACE YOURSELF > > The street is not the track - > It's a place to Pace > > Two weeks go a rider died when he and his bike tumbled off a cliff > paralleling our favorite road. No gravel in the lane, no oncoming car > pushing him wide, no ice. The guy screwed up. Rider error. Too much > enthusiasm with too little skill, and this fatality wasn't the first > on this road this year. As with most single-bike accidents, the rider > entered the corner at a speed his brain told him was too fast, stood > the bike up and nailed the rear brake. Goodbye. > > On the racetrack the rider would have tumbled into the hay bales, > visited the ambulance for a strip of gauze and headed back to the pits > to straighten his handlebars and think about his mistake. But let's > get one thing perfectly clear: the street is not the racetrack. Using > it as such will shorten your riding career and keep you from discovering > the Pace. The Pace is far from street racing - and a lot more fun. > > The Pace places the motorcycle in its proper role as the controlled > vehicle, not the controlling vehicle. Too many riders of sport bikes > become baggage when the throttle gets twisted - the ensuing speed is > so overwhelming they are carried along in the rush. The Pace ignores > outright speed and can be as much fun on a Ninja 250 as on a ZX-11, > emphasizing rider skill over right-wrist bravado. A fool can twist the > grip, but a fool has no idea how to stop or turn. Learning to stop > will save your life; learning to turn will enrich it. What feels > better than banking a motorcycle over into a corner? > > The mechanics of turning a motorcycle involve pushing and/or pulling > on the handlebars; while this isn't new information for most sport > riders, realize that the force at the handlebar affects the > motorcycle's rate of turn-in. Shove hard on the bars, and the bike > snaps over; gently push the bars, and the bike lazily banks in. > Different corners require different techniques, but as you begin to > think about lines, late entrances and late apexes, turning your bike > at the exact moment and reaching he precise lean angle will require > firm, forceful inputs ant the handlebars. If you take less time to > turn your motorcycle, you can use that time to brake more effectively > or run deeper into the corner, affording yourself more time to judge > the corner and a better look at any hidden surprises. It's important > to look as far into the corner as possible and remember the adage, > "You go where you look." > > DON'T RUSH > > The number-one survival skill, after mastering emergency braking, is > setting your corner-entrance speed early, or as Kenny Roberts says, > "Slow in, fast out." Street riders may get away with rushing into 99 > out of 100 corners, but that last one will have gravel, mud or a > trespassing car. Setting entrance speed early will allow you to adjust > your speed and cornering line, giving you every opportunity to handle > the surprise. > > We've all rushed into a corner too fast and experienced not just the > terror but the lack of control when trying to herd the bike into the > bend. If you're fighting the brakes and trying to turn the bike, any > surprise will be impossible to deal with. Setting your entrance speed > early and looking into the corner allows you to determine what type of > corner you're facing. Does the radius decrease? Is the turn > off-camber? Is there an embankment that may have contributed some dirt > to the corner? > > Racers talk constantly about late braking, yet that technique is used > only to pass for position during a race, not to turn a quicker lap > time. Hard braking blurs the ability to judge cornering speed > accurately, and most racers who rely too heavily on the brakes find > themselves passed at the corner exits because they scrubbed off too > much cornering speed. Additionally, braking late often forces you to > trail the brakes or turn the motorcycle while still braking. While > light trail braking is an excellent and useful technique to master, > understand that your front tire has only a certain amount of traction > to give. > > If you use a majority of the front tire's traction for braking and > then ask it to provide maximum cornering traction as well, a typical > low-side crash will result. Also consider that your motorcycle won't > steer as well with the fork fully compressed under braking. If you're > constantly fighting the motorcycle while turning, it may be because > you're braking too far into the corner. All these problems can be > eliminated by setting your entrance speed early, an important > component of running the Pace. > > Since you aren't hammering the brakes at every corner entrance, your > enjoyment of pure cornering will increase tremendously. You'll relish > the feeling of snapping your bike into the corner and opening the > throttle as early as possible. Racers talk about getting the drive > started, and that's just as important on the street. Notice how the > motorcycle settles down and simply works better when the throttle is > open? Use a smooth, light touch on the throttle and try to get the > bike driving as soon as possible in the corner, even before the apex, > the tightest point of the corner. If you find yourself on the throttle > ridiculously early, it's an indication you can increase your entrance > speed slightly be releasing the brakes earlier. > > As you sweep past the apex, you can begin to stand the bike up out of > the corner. This is best done by smoothly accelerating, which will > help stand the bike up. As the rear tire comes off full lean, it puts > more rubber on the road, and the forces previously used for cornering > traction can be converted to acceleration traction. The throttle can > be rolled open as the bike stands up. > > This magazine won't tell you how fast is safe; we will tell you how to > go fast safely. How fast you go is your decision, but it's one that > requires reflection and commitment. High speed on an empty four-lane > freeway is against the law, but it's fairly safe. Fifty-five miles per > hour in a canyon may be legal, but it may also be dangerous. Get > together with your friends and talk about speed. Set a reasonable > maximum and stick to it. Done right, the Pace is addicting without > high straightaway speeds. > > The group I ride with couldn't care less about outright speed between > corners; any gomer can twist a throttle. If you routinely go 100 mph, > we hope you routinely practice emergency stops from that speed. Keep > in mind outright speed will earn a ticket that is tough to fight and > painful to pay; cruising the easy straight stuff doesn't attract as > much attention from the authorities and sets your speed perfectly for > the next sweeper. > > GROUP MENTALITY > > Straights are the time to reset the ranks. The leader needs to set a > pace that won't bunch up the followers, especially while leaving a > stop sign or passing a car on a two-lane road. The leader must use the > throttle hard to get around the car and give the rest of the group > room to make the pass, yet he or she can't speed blindly along and > earn a ticket for the whole group. With sane speeds on the straights, > the gaps can be adjusted easily; the bikes should be spaced about two > seconds apart for maximum visibility of surface hazards. > > It's the group aspect of the Pace I enjoy most, watching the bikes in > front of me click into a corner like a row of dominoes, or looking in > my mirror as my friends slip through the same set of corners I just > emerged from. > > Because there's a leader and a set of rules to follow, the competitive > aspect of sport riding is eliminated and that removes a tremendous > amount of pressure from a young rider's ego - or even an old rider's > ego. We've all felt the tug of racing while riding with friends or > strangers, but the Pace takes that away and saves it for where it > belongs: the racetrack. The racetrack is where you prove your speed > and take chances to best your friends and rivals. > > I've spend a considerable amount of time writing about the Pace (see > Motorcyclist, Nov. '91) for several reasons, not the least of which > being the fun I've had researching it (continuous and ongoing). But I > have motivations that aren't so fun. I got scared a few years ago when > Senator Danforth decided to save us from ourselves by trying to ban > superbikes, soon followed by insurance companies blacklisting a > variety of sport bikes. I've seen Mulholland Highway shut down because > riders insisted on racing (and crashing) over a short section of it. > I've seen heavy police patrols on roads that riders insist on throwing > themselves off of. I've heard the term "murder-cycles" a dozen times > too many. When we consider the abilities of a modern sport bike, it > becomes clear that rider techniques is sorely lacking. > > The Pace emphasizes intelligent, rational riding techniques that > ignore racetrack heroics without sacrificing fun. The skills needed to > excel on the racetrack make up the basic precepts of the Pace, > excluding the mind-numbing speeds and leaving the substantially larger > margin for error needed to allow for unknowns and immovable objects. > Our sport faces unwanted legislation from outsiders, but a bit of > throttle management from within will guarantee our future. > > THE PACE PRINCIPLES > > Set cornering speed early. > Blow the entrance and you'll never recover. > > Look down the road > Maintaining a high visual horizon will reduce perceived speed and help > you avoid panic situations. > > Steer the bike quickly. > There's a reason Wayne Rainey works out - turning a fast-moving > motorcycle takes muscle. > > Use your brakes smoothly but firmly > Get on and then off the brakes; don't drag 'em. > > Get the throttle on early > Starting the drive settles the chassis, especially through a bumpy > corner. > > Never cross the centerline except to pass > Crossing the centerline in a corner is an instant ticket and an > admittance that you can't really steer your bike. In racing terms, > your lane is your course; staying right of the line adds a significant > challenge to most roads and is mandatory for sport riding's future. > > Don't crowd the centerline > Always expect an oncoming car with two wheels in your lane. > > Don't hang off in the corners or tuck in on the straights > Sitting sedately on the bike looks safer and reduces unwanted > attention. It also provides a built-in safety margin. > > When leading, ride for the group > Good verbal communication is augmented with hand signals and turn > signals; change direction and speed smoothly. > > When following, ride with the group > If you can't follow a leader, don't expect anyone to follow you when > you're setting the pace. > > Nick Ienatsch > Sport Rider Magazine > June 1993 > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >+++ >Bob MacFarland sometimes: macfarlb@XXXXXX >Boston othertimes: macfarland@XXXXXX >1995 GSXR1100W 1976 CB750F SOHC4#208 DoD#2032 AMA#343757 > > *Eventual Master of the Obvious* > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 30 19:34:15 1997 From: AntietamMC@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:31:36 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: Poker Run.... In a message dated 97-04-28 09:33:30 EDT, wweiss@XXXXXX (Warren W. Weiss) writes: > Todd B Peer wrote: > > > There is a Poker Run being held this Sunday sponsored by PARR. > > I'm not a member, but have attended before. > > I have been on a few PARR runs before. I even won a hand once! (the > two-up category, believe it or not). > > They are fantastic runs through some of the nicest countryside you'll > see...East Coast, anyway... > > Does anybody know PARR's URL? I searched, but couldn't find it... > http://www.parr.com/ ain't it. :) > > It would be nice to be back on their mailing list. > Sorry, don't know their URL, but for Poker Runs in the Baltimore/Washington area, try the schedule listed at: http://www.widgetworks.com/~peter/balt-cycles/ AMA sanctioned but you do not have to be an AMA member to participate. --- Jeff --------------------- Forwarded message: From: wweiss@XXXXXX (Warren W. Weiss) Reply-to: wweiss@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC Cycles) Date: 97-04-28 09:33:30 EDT Todd B Peer wrote: > There is a Poker Run being held this Sunday sponsored by PARR. > I'm not a member, but have attended before. I have been on a few PARR runs before. I even won a hand once! (the two-up category, believe it or not). They are fantastic runs through some of the nicest countryside you'll see...East Coast, anyway... Does anybody know PARR's URL? I searched, but couldn't find it... http://www.parr.com/ ain't it. :) It would be nice to be back on their mailing list. -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 DIGEX: Industrial Strength Internet Sales Engineer One DIGEX Plaza mailto:wweiss@XXXXXX Beltsville, MD 20705 http://www.digex.net