From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 1 07:56:51 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:14:57 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Court Dismisses Suit http://www.wisinfo.com/postcrescent/news/archive/local_15427121.shtml -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 1 08:00:22 2004 Subject: RE: Court Dismisses Suit Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:00:04 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Wayne Edelen" , Thanks for the morning wake up call; at first glance I thought this was another Janklow update... ;-) Robert -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:15 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Court Dismisses Suit http://www.wisinfo.com/postcrescent/news/archive/local_15427121.shtml -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 1 08:00:51 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:00:31 EST Subject: Re: inexpensive source for brake rotors? differences in materials? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/31/2004 2:03:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > Anybody see a problem with this? Rust. When Honda used a cast iron rotor in the first year of the 250 interceptor (VTR250) they covered it up (looked more like a drum then a disk) so the rust would not show. And considering the importance of brakes around here I would be _awfully_ cautious if I were you. At the very least the brakes will be different, better maybe, worse maybe. And a failure, I do not even want to consider. New "bumper sticker" on the ST1100. "Eat right, stay fit, DIE ANYWAY!" John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 1 08:16:47 2004 Subject: RE: inexpensive source for brake rotors? differences in materials? Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:16:35 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: , I remember reading about metal failures to some brands of cast-iron rotors, but it seems to be a rare (albeit catastrophic) occurance. However, there are quite a few comments about warping and rusting [sample: http://gstwin.com/racers_corner.htm]. The Dodge Tomahawk concept bike uses cast-iron rotors on the rear wheel(s), though. Robert -----Original Message----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:01 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: inexpensive source for brake rotors? differences in materials? Rust. When Honda used a cast iron rotor in the first year of the 250 interceptor (VTR250) they covered it up (looked more like a drum then a disk) so the rust would not show. And considering the importance of brakes around here I would be _awfully_ cautious if I were you. At the very least the brakes will be different, better maybe, worse maybe. And a failure, I do not even want to consider. New "bumper sticker" on the ST1100. "Eat right, stay fit, DIE ANYWAY!" John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 1 08:32:44 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Court Dismisses Suit Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:32:10 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec794b12691f6a8b32cd04b413417809466c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Wayne showed us: > http://www.wisinfo.com/postcrescent/news/archive/local_15427121.shtml [Dave] So... "Classic advertising puffery" is completely ok. POS, or not a POS. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 1 08:32:56 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: brake rotor failure (was Re: inexpensive source for brake rotors? differences in materials?) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:31:10 -0500 Gee, those are three words that ought not be used next to each other. Which is the better of the two possible scenarios: the rotor breaks and the brakes just go away, or the rotor breaks and jam-locks the wheel. ugh...neither sounds good to me. Maybe you want consider sticking with moto-specific products. --jon ----- Original Message ----- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 1 11:25:18 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:25:05 -0500 (EST) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: More taxes? So what's this rumor that effective Oct 1 property taxes for individuals owning more than one vehicle are going up 150% and that all vehicles have to be titled and registered? Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 1 11:28:48 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:28:23 -0500 Subject: Re: More taxes? What state? dan wrote: > So what's this rumor that effective Oct 1 property taxes for individuals > owning more than one vehicle are going up 150% and that all vehicles have > to be titled and registered? > > Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 1 11:33:58 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:33:48 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: More taxes? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX April Fools, right? Glenn --- dan wrote: > So what's this rumor that effective Oct 1 property > taxes for individuals > owning more than one vehicle are going up 150% and > that all vehicles have > to be titled and registered? > > Dan > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 1 11:39:04 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:38:52 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: More taxes? To: dan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX An April Fools joke? At least, that's what I saw elsewhere on another board (dcsportbikes .net or .com) - where did you hear it? What backup did they cite, and where have you looked for more information? Brian --- dan wrote: > So what's this rumor that effective Oct 1 property > taxes for individuals > owning more than one vehicle are going up 150% and > that all vehicles have > to be titled and registered? > > Dan > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 1 12:04:35 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:04:30 -0800 (PST) From: Nun Yobizness Subject: More DC cameras To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Williams, Ramsey Announce New Automated Enforcement Schemes April 1 (Washington Times) DC Mayor Anthony Williams joined forces today with Police Chief Charles Ramsey to announce a new round of automated enforcement beyond the existing radar and red light camera schemes. Williams and Ramsey were vague on specifics, but they hinted that as of Oct 1, start of the fiscal year, city police will be watching remotely for all sorts of illegal activity. Indeed, a little-noticed line item in the city's FY05 budget, says "revenue-other-automated enforcement." The total for this item is $500 million. The same budget document, under expenditures, cites a $100 million appropriation for "automated enforcement rebates." The Budget Office says DC residents can apply any fines they pay as a credit against their income taxes. The range of the new enforcement activities could include fines for loud exhausts, citations for four-wheel drive vehicles exceeding legal bumper height, fines for motorcyclists wearing inadequate safety gear and fines for jaywalkers. Another scheme would install cameras and microphones outside popular nightclubs, in order to fine patrons using obscenities. Public obscene language is a Class C misdemeanor in the District. "The sky's the limit, really," said one DC official, speaking on condition of anonymity. "Technology is truly amazing these days, and if we're going to have Big Brother and Homeland Security snooping around, at least we can use Big Brother, in an innovative way, to fill city coffers." Asked for comment, a DC transportation official stated, "it's high time suburbanites pulled their weight. They clog up our roads and Congress won't let us tax them, so we have to get in our licks where we can using existing laws on the books." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 1 13:58:35 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: More taxes? Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:41:49 -0500 > What state? Apathy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 1 14:06:07 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:05:58 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More taxes? X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 In a message dated 4/1/2004 1:41:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > > > > What state? > > Apathy Unconsciousness? ;-) Scooter (dazed and confused) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 1 15:28:12 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:27:49 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: brake rotor failure (was Re: inexpensive source for brake rotors? differences in materials?) Just as an FYI ... GP bikes (all of ours) use cast iron rotors. The only failure I have ever seen was on a vintage TZ750 (Yes, 750) at Summit point ... and it was just a crack. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 1 15:36:59 2004 Subject: RE: brake rotor failure (was Re: inexpensive source for brakerotors?differences in materials?) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:36:43 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Brian Roach" , I thought the cautionary comments had more to do with having iron rotors made up by a machine shop, rather than sourcing them from a motorcycle vendor. Might indeed be functionally the same item, but I would have concerns about running highly stressed components manufactured by a firm with no previous moto brake experience (my assumption, that last bit). Robert -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 3:28 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: brake rotor failure (was Re: inexpensive source for brakerotors?differences in materials?) Just as an FYI ... GP bikes (all of ours) use cast iron rotors. The only failure I have ever seen was on a vintage TZ750 (Yes, 750) at Summit point ... and it was just a crack. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 1 21:31:05 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:28:55 -0500 Subject: Brake rotors-my experience From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX My bike came stock with some real purty, shiney, stainless steel brake rotors. They very quickly warped and were replaced under warranty. This went on and on-- getting them replaced about every 8000 miles . At one point I even conned the warranty folks into popping for a set EBC stainless steel rotors and EBC pads . That set-up lasted about 10 thousand miles. Finally I bought and paid for a set of good thick ductile iron rotors. That was about 50 thousand miles ago and they are still going strong. However, as some one said, they will rust. In fact, on a day like today surface rust will appear after about two hours of parking the bike outside. No sweat, goes away in a few feet of riding. With pads made for iron the brake feel is much better and stopping power is great. Don't know if they make them for your bike, but check out Red Racing in Italy. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 1 23:43:40 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:43:40 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thomasajordan@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: This would be one hella-cool motorcycle... http://www.motorcycledaily.com/31march04_aprilia_rsv450.htm http://www.sport-touring.net/iB_html/uploads/post-1-37956-apri.jpg 4-stroke. . . a street legal version in the US would be nice.... - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 07:16:29 2004 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: FW: payment and address:2002 Yamaha FZ1 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 07:15:57 -0500 Does this look suspicious to anyone besides myself? Any suggestions as to how I can trace it down a bit more? Thanks, Dan -----Original Message----- From: runner smith [mailto:runnerman007@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 4:52 AM To: Danny Thompson Subject: payment and address:2002 Yamaha FZ1 Dear Seller, Thanks for reaching back to me,Am interested in buying the [Bike] . Am not in the state am located in Denvonport in Australia,I would wish to dicuss this transaction on phone but the network hear is not ok/condusive for me to give you call about the transaction,I could like you to still be reaching me via-email as times goes on..I have my own personal shipping agent who will handle the shippment of the Bike.I will like to know if a Certified Cheque will work out for the payment of the Bike.since am not in the state,If it will work out for the payment,I will contact my Client who have a US[bankAccount] to forward the payment of the Bike to you,Snice am far away from the Country,And also the last price you are willing to sale[5500 is my price i hope it work or you can still less it more] it.If so we can processed.By sending your mailing details,Example:- [ 1 ] Your resident address [ 2 ] Phone number [ 3 ] Your full name,which will be written on the Cheque for the payment of the Boat.Looking forward to hear from you soonext.GodBless Best regards. Smith... [Buyer].----- Original Message ----- From: "Danny Thompson" Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:31:49 -0500 To: "'runner smith'" Subject: RE: INTERESTED BUYER :2002 Yamaha FZ1 > Mr. Smith, > Yes the bike is still for sale. It is as you saw in the pictures. It > now has just over 4000 miles on it (less than 4100). I will change the > oil and filter once more before it is sold. As for payment terms, I > would like either cash, cashiers check, or money order. I will let it > go for $5750. Let me know how you want to proceed. I have one other > person I hear from today. Thanks, > Danny > > -----Original Message----- > From: runner smith [mailto:runnerman007@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:15 AM > To: danthompson@XXXXXX > Subject: INTERESTED BUYER :2002 Yamaha FZ1 > > > Dear Seller, > Am interested in buying your Bike,which the advert was placed on net, > I would like to make enquiry about it and if you still have it for > sale.If yes,kindly get back to me with the present condition,I have > view the Jpg pic;s of the Bike which is ok.Your payment terms,final > price you're willing to sell it.Looking forward to hear from you > soonest. Best of Regards. Smith.., > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Outgun.com free e-mail @ www.outgun.com > Check out our Premium services - POP3 downloading, e-mail forwarding, > and 25MB mailboxes! > > Powered by Outblaze --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 3/29/2004 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 07:23:42 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 04:23:34 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: FW: payment and address:2002 Yamaha FZ1 To: Danny Thompson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX foreign buyer? certified cheque? form letter? bike referred to as a boat? what would you possibly be worried about? ;) why trace? run. --- Danny Thompson wrote: > Does this look suspicious to anyone besides myself? Any > suggestions as > to how I can trace it down a bit more? > Thanks, > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: runner smith [mailto:runnerman007@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 4:52 AM > To: Danny Thompson > Subject: payment and address:2002 Yamaha FZ1 > > > Dear Seller, > > Thanks for reaching back to me,Am interested in buying > the [Bike] . Am > not in the state am located in Denvonport in Australia,I > would wish to > dicuss this transaction on phone but the network hear is > not > ok/condusive for me to give you call about the > transaction,I could like > you to still be reaching me via-email as times goes on..I > have my own > personal shipping agent who will handle the shippment of > the Bike.I will > like to know if a Certified Cheque will work out for the > payment of the > Bike.since am not in the state,If it will work out for > the payment,I > will contact my Client who have a US[bankAccount] to > forward the payment > of the Bike to you,Snice am far away from the Country,And > also the last > price you are willing to sale[5500 is my price i hope it > work or you can > still less it more] it.If so we can processed.By sending > your mailing > details,Example:- [ 1 ] Your resident address > [ 2 ] Phone number > [ 3 ] Your full name,which will be written on the Cheque > for the payment > of the Boat.Looking forward to hear from you > soonext.GodBless Best > regards. Smith... [Buyer].----- Original Message ----- > From: "Danny Thompson" > Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:31:49 -0500 > To: "'runner smith'" > Subject: RE: INTERESTED BUYER :2002 Yamaha FZ1 > > > Mr. Smith, > > Yes the bike is still for sale. It is as you saw in the > pictures. It > > now has just over 4000 miles on it (less than 4100). I > will change the > > > oil and filter once more before it is sold. As for > payment terms, I > > would like either cash, cashiers check, or money order. > I will let it > > go for $5750. Let me know how you want to proceed. I > have one other > > person I hear from today. Thanks, > > Danny > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: runner smith [mailto:runnerman007@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:15 AM > > To: danthompson@XXXXXX > > Subject: INTERESTED BUYER :2002 Yamaha FZ1 > > > > > > Dear Seller, > > Am interested in buying your Bike,which the advert was > placed on net, > > I would like to make enquiry about it and if you still > have it for > > sale.If yes,kindly get back to me with the present > condition,I have > > view the Jpg pic;s of the Bike which is ok.Your payment > terms,final > > price you're willing to sell it.Looking forward to hear > from you > > soonest. Best of Regards. Smith.., ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com **This material is being sent by a law firm and is intended only for the addressee. Various legal protections including the attorney-client privilege can apply to this material and no consent is given to its being read or used by anyone other than the intended recipient. Any other use is unlawful. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 07:58:48 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 07:58:34 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: payment and address:2002 Yamaha FZ1 X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Yep. This is a scam that's been running on the net for a while. You'll get the nice certified check and cash/deposit it, send bike and then the bank will call you up in a couple days saying the certified check is a fake and you just lost your bike. Also, I would hope that someone from Oz would be able to speak/write a whole lot better than that. The fact that he doesn't want to give you a phone number to talk in person is also a good tipoff. If you had a phone number, the police could trace it and bust his butt. Blow this guy off. Especially with a name like Runner Smith. Scooter In a message dated 4/2/2004 7:15:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, danthompson@XXXXXX writes: > > > Does this look suspicious to anyone besides myself? Any suggestions as > to how I can trace it down a bit more? > Thanks, > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: runner smith [mailto:runnerman007@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 4:52 AM > To: Danny Thompson > Subject: payment and address:2002 Yamaha FZ1 > > > Dear Seller, > > Thanks for reaching back to me,Am interested in buying the [Bike] . Am > not in the state am located in Denvonport in Australia,I would wish to > dicuss this transaction on phone but the network hear is not > ok/condusive for me to give you call about the transaction,I could like > you to still be reaching me via-email as times goes on..I have my own > personal shipping agent who will handle the shippment of the Bike.I will > like to know if a Certified Cheque will work out for the payment of the > Bike.since am not in the state,If it will work out for the payment,I > will contact my Client who have a US[bankAccount] to forward the payment > of the Bike to you,Snice am far away from the Country,And also the last > price you are willing to sale[5500 is my price i hope it work or you can > still less it more] it.If so we can processed.By sending your mailing > details,Example:- [ 1 ] Your resident address > [ 2 ] Phone number > [ 3 ] Your full name,which will be written on the Cheque for the payment > of the Boat.Looking forward to hear from you soonext.GodBless Best > regards. Smith... [Buyer].----- Original Message ----- > From: "Danny Thompson" > Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:31:49 -0500 > To: "'runner smith'" > Subject: RE: INTERESTED BUYER :2002 Yamaha FZ1 > > > Mr. Smith, > > Yes the bike is still for sale. It is as you saw in the pictures. It > > now has just over 4000 miles on it (less than 4100). I will change the > > > oil and filter once more before it is sold. As for payment terms, I > > would like either cash, cashiers check, or money order. I will let it > > go for $5750. Let me know how you want to proceed. I have one other > > person I hear from today. Thanks, > > Danny > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: runner smith [mailto:runnerman007@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:15 AM > > To: danthompson@XXXXXX > > Subject: INTERESTED BUYER :2002 Yamaha FZ1 > > > > > > Dear Seller, > > Am interested in buying your Bike,which the advert was placed on net, > > I would like to make enquiry about it and if you still have it for > > sale.If yes,kindly get back to me with the present condition,I have > > view the Jpg pic;s of the Bike which is ok.Your payment terms,final > > price you're willing to sell it.Looking forward to hear from you > > soonest. Best of Regards. Smith.., > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Outgun.com free e-mail @ www.outgun.com > > Check out our Premium services - POP3 downloading, e-mail forwarding, > > and 25MB mailboxes! > > > > Powered by Outblaze > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: > 3/29/2004 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 08:06:03 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: FW: payment and address:2002 Yamaha FZ1 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 8:05:56 -0500 > > From: Tom Gimer > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 07:23:34 EST > To: Danny Thompson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: FW: payment and address:2002 Yamaha FZ1 > > foreign buyer? certified cheque? form letter? bike referred > to as a boat? > > what would you possibly be worried about? ;) > > why trace? run. > yup.. If he wants to just get rid of the bike, leave it on the street with the keys in the ignition. It's faster and doesn't involved international shipping. Either way, he'll end up with no money and no bike. The money orders/cashiers checques are bogus but you won't know that until the bike has already been shipped and the check is discovered by the bank to be a fraud. The *only* way I'd do this is if *all* of the money was sent to a *valid* third party escrow company who would hold the money until the bike is shipped. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 09:04:04 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:03:53 -0500 (EST) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: FW: payment and address:2002 Yamaha FZ1 Why not have him send the check anyway and waste his time/money to send it. Would make a cool souvenir. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 09:20:20 2004 Subject: RE: brake rotor failure (was Re: inexpensive source forbrakerotors?differences in materials?) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:13:59 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "matthew patton" Cc: Hey, if you have access to a machine shop that makes custom brake rotors for bikes, I'd be interested in talking to them! Especially if they can make custom rotors for older bikes... Rotors for the VF750F run 146.00 a side, and these aren't even OEM. Is this the Fredericksburg Machine Shop you'd mentioned in an earlier post? -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:15 PM To: Verde, Robert Subject: RE: brake rotor failure (was Re: inexpensive source forbrakerotors?differences in materials?) > manufactured by a firm with no previous moto brake experience (my > assumption, that last bit). that was where you committed the fatal blunder. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 09:21:31 2004 Subject: RE: Re: FW: payment and address:2002 Yamaha FZ1 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:15:22 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "dan" , I second Dan's suggestion; *after* you get the check, let the buyer know that you will hold it until the funds clear... Potential for much hilarity. Robert -----Original Message----- From: dan [mailto:dan@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:04 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: FW: payment and address:2002 Yamaha FZ1 Why not have him send the check anyway and waste his time/money to send it. Would make a cool souvenir. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 09:22:02 2004 From: (Andrew Culpepper) biga@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: payment and address:2002 Yamaha FZ1 To: Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:22:00 -0500 Is he buying a bike or a boat? :-) Andrew On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 07:15:57 -0500 "Danny Thompson" wrote: > Does this look suspicious to anyone besides myself? Any suggestions > as > to how I can trace it down a bit more? > Thanks, > Dan > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 09:25:33 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:25:25 -0500 From: Skip Smith CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: payment and address:2002 Yamaha FZ1 They do make cool souvenirs. I've got three on my wall right now, totalling 20 some thousand dollars. Makes a great conversation piece. dan wrote: > > Why not have him send the check anyway and waste his time/money to send > it. Would make a cool souvenir. > > Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 11:35:18 2004 Subject: Ride in From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 02 Apr 2004 11:31:54 -0500 Loads of fun on the way in this morning. While going through Springfield I found that they had ground down two short bits of the road. The first one wasn't all that bad. The second one, just as you're straightening up past the new overpass, has a lovely high lip on it. When I hit it, it made a nice hard thump. The GSXR seemed not to have taken any damage so I kept going. For some reason, as I went over the 14th street bridge I looked down and discovered that my ignition key has gone missing. I looked over the bike hoping to find the key hung up on the fairing or in some crack but no such luck. I looped around and headed home, no easy way to turn off the bike. Need to find me a locksmith, or I'll get Tim (the guy I bought the bike from) to simply make another one. Fricking pain in the butt. I saw several bikes on the way home though and was able to wave at a couple. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 12:24:03 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride in Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:12:34 -0500 Carl, do you ride the GSXR more than the Harley? Any reason if so? >From: Carl Schelin >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Ride in >Date: 02 Apr 2004 11:31:54 -0500 > >While going through Springfield I found that they had ground down two >short bits of the road. The first one wasn't all that bad. The second >one, just as you're straightening up past the new overpass, has a lovely >high lip on it. When I hit it, it made a nice hard thump. The GSXR >seemed not to have taken any damage so I kept going. For some reason, as >I went over the 14th street bridge I looked down and discovered that my >ignition key has gone missing. I looked over the bike hoping to find the >key hung up on the fairing or in some crack but no such luck. I looped >around and headed home, no easy way to turn off the bike. >Need to find me a locksmith, or I'll get Tim (the guy I bought the bike >from) to simply make another one. Fricking pain in the butt. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 12:33:41 2004 From: To: Subject: New Aerostitch Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:31:22 -0500 A bit late, but... http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/stichaf04/ Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 12:37:59 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:32:05 -0500 To: "Danny Thompson" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: FW: payment and address:2002 Yamaha FZ1 Very. They guy claims to be in Australia, but he writes like a non-English speaker (maybe he's an immigrant?). He also seems to think you are selling a boat at one point (maybe a typo?). He isn't following *all* of the details of some of the overseas bank scams...such as asking for your bank account info so he can deposit the money for you...but it still sounds very fishy. Maybe it's just a way to get names and addresses of bike owners for sale to a mailing list company? I really doubt that he really wants to buy and ship a bike halfway around the world though. It's possible, but less likely than that he's up to something. -- Mike B. At 07:15 AM 4/2/04 -0500, Danny Thompson wrote: >Does this look suspicious to anyone besides myself? Any suggestions as >to how I can trace it down a bit more? >Thanks, >Dan > >-----Original Message----- >From: runner smith [mailto:runnerman007@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 4:52 AM >To: Danny Thompson >Subject: payment and address:2002 Yamaha FZ1 > > >Dear Seller, > >Thanks for reaching back to me,Am interested in buying the [Bike] . Am >not in the state am located in Denvonport in Australia,I would wish to >dicuss this transaction on phone but the network hear is not >ok/condusive for me to give you call about the transaction,I could like >you to still be reaching me via-email as times goes on..I have my own >personal shipping agent who will handle the shippment of the Bike.I will >like to know if a Certified Cheque will work out for the payment of the >Bike.since am not in the state,If it will work out for the payment,I >will contact my Client who have a US[bankAccount] to forward the payment >of the Bike to you,Snice am far away from the Country,And also the last >price you are willing to sale[5500 is my price i hope it work or you can >still less it more] it.If so we can processed.By sending your mailing >details,Example:- [ 1 ] Your resident address >[ 2 ] Phone number >[ 3 ] Your full name,which will be written on the Cheque for the payment >of the Boat.Looking forward to hear from you soonext.GodBless Best >regards. Smith... [Buyer].----- Original Message ----- >From: "Danny Thompson" >Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:31:49 -0500 >To: "'runner smith'" >Subject: RE: INTERESTED BUYER :2002 Yamaha FZ1 > >> Mr. Smith, >> Yes the bike is still for sale. It is as you saw in the pictures. It >> now has just over 4000 miles on it (less than 4100). I will change the > >> oil and filter once more before it is sold. As for payment terms, I >> would like either cash, cashiers check, or money order. I will let it >> go for $5750. Let me know how you want to proceed. I have one other >> person I hear from today. Thanks, >> Danny >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: runner smith [mailto:runnerman007@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:15 AM >> To: danthompson@XXXXXX >> Subject: INTERESTED BUYER :2002 Yamaha FZ1 >> >> >> Dear Seller, >> Am interested in buying your Bike,which the advert was placed on net, >> I would like to make enquiry about it and if you still have it for >> sale.If yes,kindly get back to me with the present condition,I have >> view the Jpg pic;s of the Bike which is ok.Your payment terms,final >> price you're willing to sell it.Looking forward to hear from you >> soonest. Best of Regards. Smith.., >> >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Outgun.com free e-mail @ www.outgun.com >> Check out our Premium services - POP3 downloading, e-mail forwarding, >> and 25MB mailboxes! >> >> Powered by Outblaze > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 3/29/2004 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 12:38:07 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:37:47 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Ride in At 11:31 AM 4/2/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: >seemed not to have taken any damage so I kept going. For some reason, as >I went over the 14th street bridge I looked down and discovered that my >ignition key has gone missing. I have a new appreciation for Harley's design. My key is always in my zippered pocket while riding, and I can shut the bike down with the START/RUN switch on the handlebar...as well as turn off the ignition without a key. All I need a key for is to make it a little harder to steal the bike. So long as the ignition isn't locked up, I can use the bike perfectly normally in all ways without a key at all. (I know you know this, but others may or may not, and any time Harley is better than an import, I'm going to mention it! :-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 12:39:28 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:39:15 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride in X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 OK, how do you lose an ignition key while the bike is running and moving? Someone please explain this to me as I thought you had to turn it to the Off position before you could remove it? Scooter (2 or 3 spare keys for EVERYTHING :-)) In a message dated 4/2/2004 11:31:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > Loads of fun on the way in this morning. > For some reason, as > I went over the 14th street bridge I looked down and discovered that my > ignition key has gone missing. I looked over the bike hoping to find the > key hung up on the fairing or in some crack but no such luck. I looped > around and headed home, no easy way to turn off the bike. > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 12:49:58 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:49:48 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Aerostitch X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Very nice. I personally like the "bling, bling" aspect mentioned at the bottom. Speaking of bling, bling, I have bought a couple pairs of gloves from Icon in the past and was checking out their website today to see what they had new to offer. This is NOT a joke. Check out their site at www.rideicon.com. Click on Products and then Gloves. I have a pair of the Timax (white), Holligan (white/red) and Super-duty (black) but am thinking about getting a pair of the Bling gloves. What do you guys think? ;-) Scooter In a message dated 4/2/2004 12:31:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > > > A bit late, but... > > http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/stichaf04/ > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 12:52:31 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:51:29 -0500 From: Skip To: Danny Thompson , DC Cycles Subject: Re: FW: payment and address:2002 Yamaha FZ1 take this guys check, hang it on the wall, and then fuck with him heartily knowing that he has --zero-- recourse against you, and is trying to scam you. One of my favorite tactics is to get the check, deny recieving it, then admit to cashing it and spending all the money, and trying to get them to send me another. I've only gotten it to work once, but damn, it was sweet. I also give them my office number as my contact number. whenthe call comes in, I confrence call then in with a friend who interjects random words into the conversation. so, you're going to send me a check tomorrow... and when I get it I'll cash it... it's also GREAT fun when they're trying to give you their phone number for you to call them back... ok, so the number is 44 33 blah blah "no... it's 44 33 blah blah" ok. 4 433 blah "no, no, no!" I'ma prolly burn in hell for having so much fun at these guy;s expense. :~) --skip Danny Thompson wrote: > > Does this look suspicious to anyone besides myself? Any suggestions as > to how I can trace it down a bit more? > Thanks, > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: runner smith [mailto:runnerman007@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 4:52 AM > To: Danny Thompson > Subject: payment and address:2002 Yamaha FZ1 > > Dear Seller, > > Thanks for reaching back to me,Am interested in buying the [Bike] . Am > not in the state am located in Denvonport in Australia,I would wish to > dicuss this transaction on phone but the network hear is not > ok/condusive for me to give you call about the transaction,I could like > you to still be reaching me via-email as times goes on..I have my own > personal shipping agent who will handle the shippment of the Bike.I will > like to know if a Certified Cheque will work out for the payment of the > Bike.since am not in the state,If it will work out for the payment,I > will contact my Client who have a US[bankAccount] to forward the payment > of the Bike to you,Snice am far away from the Country,And also the last > price you are willing to sale[5500 is my price i hope it work or you can > still less it more] it.If so we can processed.By sending your mailing > details,Example:- [ 1 ] Your resident address > [ 2 ] Phone number > [ 3 ] Your full name,which will be written on the Cheque for the payment > of the Boat.Looking forward to hear from you soonext.GodBless Best > regards. Smith... [Buyer].----- Original Message ----- > From: "Danny Thompson" > Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:31:49 -0500 > To: "'runner smith'" > Subject: RE: INTERESTED BUYER :2002 Yamaha FZ1 > > > Mr. Smith, > > Yes the bike is still for sale. It is as you saw in the pictures. It > > now has just over 4000 miles on it (less than 4100). I will change the > > > oil and filter once more before it is sold. As for payment terms, I > > would like either cash, cashiers check, or money order. I will let it > > go for $5750. Let me know how you want to proceed. I have one other > > person I hear from today. Thanks, > > Danny > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: runner smith [mailto:runnerman007@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:15 AM > > To: danthompson@XXXXXX > > Subject: INTERESTED BUYER :2002 Yamaha FZ1 > > > > > > Dear Seller, > > Am interested in buying your Bike,which the advert was placed on net, > > I would like to make enquiry about it and if you still have it for > > sale.If yes,kindly get back to me with the present condition,I have > > view the Jpg pic;s of the Bike which is ok.Your payment terms,final > > price you're willing to sell it.Looking forward to hear from you > > soonest. Best of Regards. Smith.., > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Outgun.com free e-mail @ www.outgun.com > > Check out our Premium services - POP3 downloading, e-mail forwarding, > > and 25MB mailboxes! > > > > Powered by Outblaze > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 3/29/2004 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 12:55:07 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:54:56 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: payment and address:2002 Yamaha FZ1 X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 The scam is making you think it's going overseas. If you sell it to him, he will have a "friend" in the states pick it up to ship to him. Probably won't make it out of the country. Or at least, not to Oz. Also, getting your name and address only gives them info to possibly steal your bike. I'd blow this guy off and tell him you know it's a scam and that you're turning him in to the FCC or something. :-) Scooter In a message dated 4/2/2004 12:32:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > > > Very. They guy claims to be in Australia, but he writes like a non-English > speaker (maybe he's an immigrant?). He also seems to think you are selling > a boat at one point (maybe a typo?). He isn't following *all* of the > details of some of the overseas bank scams...such as asking for your bank > account info so he can deposit the money for you...but it still sounds very > fishy. Maybe it's just a way to get names and addresses of bike owners for > sale to a mailing list company? > > I really doubt that he really wants to buy and ship a bike halfway around > the world though. It's possible, but less likely than that he's up to > something. > > -- Mike B. > > At 07:15 AM 4/2/04 -0500, Danny Thompson wrote: > >Does this look suspicious to anyone besides myself? Any suggestions as > >to how I can trace it down a bit more? > >Thanks, > >Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 13:32:18 2004 Subject: RE: Ride in From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 02 Apr 2004 13:28:56 -0500 On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 12:12, rich hall wrote: > Carl, do you ride the GSXR more than the Harley? Any reason if so? > I'd have to say that I ride the Harley more than the GSXR. Currently the main reason was that the Harley was in the shop (all of September). The next one would be my girth. I can dress warmer for riding on the Harley than on the Suzuki. If I have too much gear on, extremities start to lose bloodflow :-) Since it's mostly been winter riding, I've been on the Harley. Another one would be carrying capacity. The Harley doesn't have saddlebags so I have to cinch something to it before I can go anywhere. The Gixxer has a tailbag. For a quick trip to the store, I can throw my gloves into the 'trunk' and go in. Same with putting stuff into the 'trunk'. I'll ride the Suzuki more often in the rain than the Harley, comfort level mainly. When sitting up, the wind blows the rain and wind up into the opening of my face shield so I'm constantly lifting and lowering the shield even with the fog city thing. When on the Suzuki, the wind mainly blows top to bottom with a tiny bit of updraft. This lets me keep the shield cracked without getting face fulls of water. Since I don't use a windshield on the Harley, the fairing on the Suzuki keeps more of the water off of me. For general nice-day driving though I'd have to say it could be either one. The Harley lets me enjoy the day. The weather, the road, the sights, the smells, the day. The Suzuki lets me unwind and enjoy the road. I can task my abilities and be competitive with myself. A nice clear road is a joy. The Harley lets me cruuuuissssse. The Suzuki lets me -=>fly. I commented to Fish in private e-mail that once I get the chopper built, I may sell the Harley (depends on stability ;-) and the GSXR replacing them with a nice dual-sport or sport-touring bike more appropriate for Colorado riding with my honey. I'll still have two bikes. That's just speculating though. I may never get to that point. Carl > >From: Carl Schelin > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Ride in > >Date: 02 Apr 2004 11:31:54 -0500 > > > >While going through Springfield I found that they had ground down two > >short bits of the road. The first one wasn't all that bad. The second > >one, just as you're straightening up past the new overpass, has a lovely > >high lip on it. When I hit it, it made a nice hard thump. The GSXR > >seemed not to have taken any damage so I kept going. For some reason, as > >I went over the 14th street bridge I looked down and discovered that my > >ignition key has gone missing. I looked over the bike hoping to find the > >key hung up on the fairing or in some crack but no such luck. I looped > >around and headed home, no easy way to turn off the bike. > >Need to find me a locksmith, or I'll get Tim (the guy I bought the bike > >from) to simply make another one. Fricking pain in the butt. > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 13:33:38 2004 Subject: Re: Ride in From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 02 Apr 2004 13:30:15 -0500 On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 12:37, Mike Bartman wrote: > At 11:31 AM 4/2/04 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >seemed not to have taken any damage so I kept going. For some reason, as > >I went over the 14th street bridge I looked down and discovered that my > >ignition key has gone missing. > > I have a new appreciation for Harley's design. My key is always in my > zippered pocket while riding, and I can shut the bike down with the > START/RUN switch on the handlebar...as well as turn off the ignition > without a key. All I need a key for is to make it a little harder to steal > the bike. So long as the ignition isn't locked up, I can use the bike > perfectly normally in all ways without a key at all. (I know you know > this, but others may or may not, and any time Harley is better than an > import, I'm going to mention it! :-) Normally I have the suzuki key in my pocket too but with the rain and that I put gas in this morning, I didn't put it back into my pocket. The first thing I did when I didn't see it was check my pocket but I was sure I had left it in the ignitian. > > -- Mike B. > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 13:37:45 2004 Subject: Re: Ride in From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 02 Apr 2004 13:34:20 -0500 On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 12:39, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > OK, how do you lose an ignition key while the bike is running and moving? > Someone please explain this to me as I thought you had to turn it to the > Off position before you could remove it? One of the notches on the key is the one that keeps it locked in the ignition. The guy I got the bike from had lost the original keys and rekeyed all three locks. When he created the key, he didn't create that lock notch. It wasn't a suzuki key. It looked like an Olds key that he just cut the correct notches into. > > Scooter (2 or 3 spare keys for EVERYTHING :-)) > I have a spare house key in my wallet (bad place considering my address is there) and I used to have a spare car key, when I had a car. I only had the one Suzuki key which is why I normally have it in my pocket. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 14:15:14 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:15:02 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride in X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Ah-ha. I see said the blind man. 8-) Scooter (no longer blind, thanks to Lasik ;-)) In a message dated 4/2/2004 1:34:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 12:39, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > OK, how do you lose an ignition key while the bike is running and moving? > > Someone please explain this to me as I thought you had to turn it to the > > Off position before you could remove it? > > One of the notches on the key is the one that keeps it locked in the > ignition. The guy I got the bike from had lost the original keys and > rekeyed all three locks. When he created the key, he didn't create that > lock notch. It wasn't a suzuki key. It looked like an Olds key that he > just cut the correct notches into. > > > > > Scooter (2 or 3 spare keys for EVERYTHING :-)) > > > > I have a spare house key in my wallet (bad place considering my address > is there) and I used to have a spare car key, when I had a car. I only > had the one Suzuki key which is why I normally have it in > my pocket. > > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 14:54:32 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:54:23 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Moto Travel Website: Ghost Town To: DC Cycles Hello DC Cycles. I have been off the list for a while but this has motivated me to join back up and share with you. I just spent 20 minutes going through this website. I can promise you, none of us has ever gone on rides like this. http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/ Mark __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 15:00:56 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:00:53 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Moto Travel Website: Ghost Town To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles You're late, it was posted earlier this week. Glenn --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Hello DC Cycles. I have been off the list for a > while > but this has motivated me to join back up and share > with you. > > I just spent 20 minutes going through this website. > I > can promise you, none of us has ever gone on rides > like this. > > http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/ > > Mark > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 15:01:46 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Carl Schelin" , Subject: Re: Ride in Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:02:01 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" For some reason, as > I went over the 14th street bridge I looked down and discovered that my > ignition key has gone missing. I looked over the bike hoping to find the > key hung up on the fairing or in some crack but no such luck. I looped > around and headed home, no easy way to turn off the bike. > To stop: hit kill switch. Pull fuses for lights to keep battery from running down. DAMHIK. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 15:03:03 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:02:58 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Moto Travel Website: Ghost Town To: Glenn Dysart , DC Cycles As I said, have not been on the list. cheers --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > You're late, it was posted earlier this week. > > Glenn > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Hello DC Cycles. I have been off the list for a > > while > > but this has motivated me to join back up and > share > > with you. > > > > I just spent 20 minutes going through this > website. > > I > > can promise you, none of us has ever gone on rides > > like this. > > > > http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/ > > > > Mark > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 15:05:09 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Aerostitch Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:53:52 -0500 Lordy! ;^) (And how much do those puppies cost?) Perry >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: New Aerostitch >Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:49:48 -0500 > >Very nice. I personally like the "bling, bling" aspect mentioned at the >bottom. > >Speaking of bling, bling, I have bought a couple pairs of gloves from Icon >in the past and was checking out their website today to see what they had >new to offer. This is NOT a joke. Check out their site at >www.rideicon.com. Click on Products and then Gloves. I have a pair of the >Timax (white), Holligan (white/red) and Super-duty (black) but am thinking >about getting a pair of the Bling gloves. What do you guys think? ;-) > >Scooter > >In a message dated 4/2/2004 12:31:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, >mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > A bit late, but... > > > > http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/stichaf04/ > > > > Michael J. > _________________________________________________________________ Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS forms and more! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/workshop/welcome.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 15:16:11 2004 Subject: Re: Ride in From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 02 Apr 2004 15:12:49 -0500 On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 15:02, Paul Wilson wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Schelin" > For some reason, as > > I went over the 14th street bridge I looked down and discovered that my > > ignition key has gone missing. I looked over the bike hoping to find the > > key hung up on the fairing or in some crack but no such luck. I looped > > around and headed home, no easy way to turn off the bike. > > > > To stop: hit kill switch. Pull fuses for lights to keep battery from > running down. DAMHIK. Had I had my screwdrivers with me, I would have popped the tail off and just unscrewed the battery terminals (third lock isn't in place so the tail can just be popped off). Hindsight and all that :-) > Paul in DC > 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 - www.wilsonline.org > > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 15:16:44 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:17:27 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: TN /helmet law Some might be interested in this balanced article http://www.tennessean.com/government/archives/04/04/49319313.shtml ... "Arriving back in Tennessee, Shaub had to put his helmet back on. But that might not be the case for long, as the state Senate yesterday passed a bill loosening helmet restrictions by a 24-8 vote. The bill heads to the House. The proposal would make helmets optional for those 25 and older, under certain conditions." ... "Several local bikers said they wouldn't ride without a helmet but stopped short of saying the state should require them to wear one. ''It's dangerous out there, and I have a close call almost every day,'' said Andy Hughes, a biker for 10 years who works at Boswell's Harley-Davidson on Fesslers Lane. ''I wear a helmet regardless of what the helmet law is, but I think everyone ought to have the freedom of choice.''" ... Erick <- who stupidly cracked his oil pan by turning the stuck bolt the wrong way - too far - to try to break it free. [getting the aluminum welded sometime in the next week or so] 74' CB-750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 15:38:27 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:38:15 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Ride in To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX That's why my commuter bikes don't use ignition keys anymore. If anyone would like their Kawasaki hot-wired, I'll be happy to prepare the little pigtail for a reasonable price. And yes, I can accomodate for the anti-theft ignition switch. Leon. --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Loads of fun on the way in this morning. > > as > I went over the 14th street bridge I looked down and > discovered that my > ignition key has gone missing. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 16:51:18 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:48:23 -0500 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: New Aerostitch At 12:49 PM 4/2/04 -0500, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >offer. This is NOT a joke. Check out their site at www.rideicon.com. Very slow-loading site. They should ditch the animation stuff and just put up text and pictures...at least until everyone has a T1 going to their house. Took like 30 seconds to get to the first screen, and I've got a 144K DSL line. >Holligan (white/red) and Super-duty (black) but am thinking about getting a pair of the Bling gloves. What do you guys think? ;-) I think you'll look good in them, once you get the cape and spandex riding suit to go with them! When does the new "Scooterman" comic book go on sale? :-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 17:00:37 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:00:30 -0500 To: "Perry Coleman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: New Aerostitch $250....but only $200 for the shorty version! I think they look best in black...but you'd need boots to match! :-O -- Mike B. At 02:53 PM 4/2/04 -0500, Perry Coleman wrote: >Lordy! ;^) > >(And how much do those puppies cost?) > >Perry > >>From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX >>Timax (white), Holligan (white/red) and Super-duty (black) but am thinking >>about getting a pair of the Bling gloves. What do you guys think? ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 17:00:40 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:55:26 -0500 To: Glenn Dysart , Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Moto Travel Website: Ghost Town That was late too...I saw it several weeks ago, and exchanged a few messages with the lady. She's a good photographer. -- Mike B. At 12:00 PM 4/2/04 -0800, Glenn Dysart wrote: >You're late, it was posted earlier this week. > >Glenn > >--- Mark Kitchell wrote: >> http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 17:17:58 2004 Subject: Re: Moto Travel Website: Ghost Town From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 02 Apr 2004 17:14:36 -0500 Yea, I posted it in the beginning of March. Still a good site and welcome back Mark. Carl On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 16:55, Mike Bartman wrote: > That was late too...I saw it several weeks ago, and exchanged a few > messages with the lady. She's a good photographer. > > -- Mike B. > > At 12:00 PM 4/2/04 -0800, Glenn Dysart wrote: > >You're late, it was posted earlier this week. > > > >Glenn > > > >--- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > >> http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 18:50:41 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Fun With Tools - was:RE: TN /helmet law Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:50:33 -0500 > who stupidly cracked his oil pan by turning the stuck > bolt the wrong way - too far - to try to break it free. I fondly remember the day that I learned about left hand threads (was about 15 at the time). I had just finished chiseling off the clutch retaining bolt on my old ('34) Harley when my stepfather came up and said "That's a left hand thread." Said I, "whuzzat?" And so I learned that "Right tight, left loose" was not an absolute. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 20:49:39 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:49:25 EST Subject: testing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This is a test to see if AOhelL will send as plain text. Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) AFRA #17 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 20:55:22 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:55:08 EST Subject: Re: New Aerostitch To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/2/2004 8:36:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, ScooterFZR writes: In a message dated 4/2/2004 4:51:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: At 12:49 PM 4/2/04 -0500, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >offer. This is NOT a joke. Check out their site at www.rideicon.com. >Very slow-loading site. They should ditch the animation stuff and just put >up text and pictures...at least until everyone has a T1 going to their >house. Took like 30 seconds to get to the first screen, and I've got a >144K DSL line. >Holligan (white/red) and Super-duty (black) but am thinking about getting >a pair of the Bling gloves. What do you guys think? ;-) >I think you'll look good in them, once you get the cape and spandex riding >suit to go with them! When does the new "Scooterman" comic book go on >sale? :-) >-- Mike B. They do have a non-flash/low bandwith link on the home page. What do you think, the black or blue? I think black since I've got a r/w/b bike. LOL "Scooterman", hmmmm......sounds interesting. ;-) Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) Now that I've got this AOhelL sending as Plain Text figured out, here is my previous e-mail. Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) AFRA #17 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 20:56:17 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:56:06 EST Subject: Re: New Aerostitch To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/2/2004 5:00:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: >$250....but only $200 for the shorty version! >I think they look best in black...but you'd need boots to match! :-O >-- Mike B. I'll recommend them to the company. LOL Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) AFRA #17 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 21:04:24 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 21:04:13 EST Subject: Sending to the list from AOhelL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Harry (and anyone else), After a little chat with an AOL Techie, here's how to send a message from the AOhelL software to the list. I know this works for Version 9.0 but, I'm not sure about any lower versions. Open a new mail message and then right-click in the message body. Select Compose as Plain Text and viola, sending a message as plaint text to the list with no bounce back. :-) Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) AFRA #17 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 22:40:14 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 22:40:15 -0500 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: testing At 08:49 PM 4/2/04 EST, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >This is a test to see if AOhelL will send as plain text. > >Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) >AFRA #17 Apparently, yes! See: From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:49:25 EST Subject: testing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 2 23:09:16 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 23:08:59 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Akira's bike http://www.itmedia.co.jp/lifestyle/articles/0404/02/news040.html I'm not a fan of anime, but those of you that are will recognize Akira's bike. Site is in Japanese. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 3 11:02:59 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 11:02:49 EST Subject: Re: Ride in To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/2/2004 1:34:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > I looked down and discovered that my > > >ignition key has gone missing. I have been carrying a spare key in my key case with all my other keys since my first bike (60s.) It has bailed my ass out more then once. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 3 11:07:51 2004 Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 08:07:42 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Speedwerks is Awesome! (a trip report w/ new rotors, tires, and crabs) To: pattonme@XXXXXX *Massive*^2 props to Speedwerks of Dover, DE (www.speedwerks.com)! They got me some EBC MD4008's (race version) overnight for $330 which is $10 below the best price available that I could find for the STREET version!! And Steve even took pity on me and changed my tire and for free (a Maxxis SuperMaxx which I was carrying on the back) and I put the rotors on using the shop's electric impact wrench. That tool works! I'm thinking I should have saved the money and gotten all electrical tools instead of an air-driven setup. Because they be no air at the track. All this on a Friday night (got there 5pm instead of 4:30 because of the miserable weather and Bay Bridge mayhem). Steve also showed me how to mount the wheel correctly for once. The factory service manual is typically short on details. The correct way is to snug the axle up (about 45ft/lb instead of the rediculous 72), install calipers, spin wheel and settle brakes a couple times, (he also normally bounces the front-end a couple times), THEN and only then tighten the pinches. the last time I did it (and I've had the wheel off a bunch of times recently with my fork experiments) I couldn't get it to spin freely after several attempts. As a result a week's worth of riding about destroyed one of the inner pads on the left side. He took one look at the pad and said, "Matt, you don't know how to mount a wheel correctly, do you? We see this all the time on SV's and such that have sliding 2-pin brakes." I have now been educated by a pro! I wish there were some way I could 'hover' out of the way for a week or two (or frankly a month) and just watch him and the mechanics go about their jobs. If I watch Brian Roach though "I'll never learn anything. Because he never comes to the shop and is always on the 'puter." Just a little good-natured ribbing from Steve, there. But in their defense the Roaches are racing down at Jenning GP this weekend. I also learned how to use the the Harbor Freight manual tire changer correctly (or any manual changer really) since it too came with no directions. The EBC race rotors are steel so they'll rust but I don't give a fig about that even though I ride in the rain all the time. A few seconds and that'll come right off. The 'street' version doesn't have the same feature. A big plus for the race version is that I can get replacements and just swap the surface out instead of the whole assembly. Both street and race come with 5mm rotors. I need a new chain pretty soon (30k miles on the stock one) and he had one on the shelf but he basically wouldn't sell it to me because it wasn't good enough quality. Get an "EK MVX-series" he said. "That one there's - an EK-SROZ - for street riders. but you ride too much for it to last. Buy the best chain you can afford." The picture shows the pad sweep of the ZR-7 brake pads because that's the calipers I have on at the moment (not for long). The rotors are absolutely identical except that Kawi indeed didn't bother to machine that extra 5mm. So for those shopping rotors, buy what the manufacturer specs for the 1993+ ZX6e/ZZR600 and write Kawi some more hate-mail er, constructive feedback for being short-sighted. They have no business cheapin' out like this on the forks and the brakes when they got the parts so readily available IMO. The ZZR600 MSRP's a scant $500 more but it has all kinds of expensive tupperware to boot and a 'fancy' and reasonably modern engine to my air-cooled 2 valve KZ750 mill from the early 80's!! It's the same non-logic over there in the Yamaha camp with the FZ6 and YZF6R. It's a long 110mi from Arlington to Dover each way in the cold and wet but the Gerbings saved my hide yet again. Had one driver neatly pull out into my lane from a stop into 70mph traffic on US50. A megaphone would have been nice. Stopped at Holly's Inn and Restaurant for some food there on US50 west (I think) of the Bridge. I've never had such good crab-cakes. Most I've had have been filler with a little crab thrown in as an excuse. These were solid crab with just enough filler to keep it from falling completely apart. I had more crab in one cake than I had eating a dozen or more steamed crabs and didn't go thru any trauma trying to get at the meat. Each cake was 4" diameter and 2" thick. And the crab soup was great, too. Maybe I've simply not been eating crab cakes at the right places... Off to find myself some pads and a chain and a massage. My back still hurts for some reason. Must be the damp. ===== "If you believe what you like in the Gospels, and reject what you do not like, it is not the Gospel you believe, but yourself." -- Augustine of Hippo (AD 354-430) * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being the right person. * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. -- Jim Quinn (www.warroom.com) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 3 12:12:35 2004 Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:12:17 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: looking for a RAM ball-only To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX anyone got a local source for a RAMMount ball with just a little stub of a bolt? Or does everyone just use cyclegadgets.com? ===== "If you believe what you like in the Gospels, and reject what you do not like, it is not the Gospel you believe, but yourself." -- Augustine of Hippo (AD 354-430) * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being the right person. * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. -- Jim Quinn (www.warroom.com) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 3 12:35:45 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'matthew patton'" , Subject: RE: looking for a RAM ball-only Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:35:38 -0500 > anyone got a local source for a RAMMount ball with just a > little stub of a bolt? Or does everyone just use cyclegadgets.com? Cyclegadgets... RAM makes a ball with a short 1/4" x 20 threaded stud sticking out. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 3 16:34:02 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Could use some truck/trailer help... Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:22:00 -0500 Well, my time finally came, I guess. Went down on Rt. 80 near Urbana because of some mud in the road. I'm only banged up a bit but the bike is a little scraped down on the left side. Does anybody have a truck/trailer that I could use to help get it home? The bike is in Urbana and I live in Germantown. Thanks. I'll write up a longer version later. Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar )B– FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 3 16:36:59 2004 Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:36:56 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Could use some truck/trailer help... To: Rob Keiser Cc: DC Cycles Sorry Rob. Glad you are ok. No truck or trailer here.... --- Rob Keiser wrote: > Well, my time finally came, I guess. > > Went down on Rt. 80 near Urbana because of some mud > in the road. I'm only > banged up a bit but the bike is a little scraped > down on the left side. > > Does anybody have a truck/trailer that I could use > to help get it home? The > bike is in Urbana and I live in Germantown. > > Thanks. I'll write up a longer version later. > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN > Toolbar )B– FREE! > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 3 17:03:41 2004 Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:57:25 -0500 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FZR 600 for sale - track bike with lights My 1993 FZR600 Benetton Formula One-inspired DIY painted track bike with lights is up for sale. $2200 OBO. Somebody make me an offer I can't refuse. Please, take my wife ... er ... bike. %^) But seriously, this is a great first track bike. By modern 600 standards, the motor is "weak," putting out only 75 hp. But that also means it's harder to get in too far over your head and into big trouble. That said, it's plenty fast. I've seen 140mph indicated on the speedo. D&D full race exhaust. Jetted (last year). Slight flat spot at ~5000 rpm but pulls smoothly and strongly all the way to the rev limit. Even though it may not be scary fast in a straight line, my FZR can corner with the best of them. I was able to leave a lot of guys on newer, more powerful, and expensive bikes (including a few Ducs and Aprilias) behind me on the track at Summit. Fox Twin Clicker rear shock. Race Tech'ed front end (springs and emulators). Beefy, custom front fork brace. It's at home in the corners, either on the street or on the track. An "easy" bike to learn the fine art of knee dragging. Sticky BT-56SS tires with plenty of tread life left in them. Other stuff: New sprockets and chain last year. Running 14T up front and 46T in back and using an RK 520 chain. The gearing is -1 in the front and +1 in the back from stock. It sacrifices some top speed for more pull/drive in the corners and probably a little quicker acceleration. I figure the actual top speed with this gearing is something like 135mph. Frame and bar end sliders. Steel braided front brake lines (I can't remember about the rear). HH front brake pads. UNI air filter (and I have filter oil). Will include Airtech front numberplate for track duty. BTW, the headlights have clear stoneguards so they don't need to be taped for the track. Smoke windscreen (I think it's LP, but I honestly can't remember). Already minimally safety-wired for track use: rear axle cotter pin, oil filter, and oil filler cap. BTW, I'm using Mobil One 5W-50 automobile oil. FULL DISCLOSURE: I'm the second owner. Bought it on eBay from a guy in CO. It's been down at least once. I lowsided on the left side 2 seasons ago at Summit Point. I repaired the bodywork myself, which means it's OK but not perfect. I'm pretty sure the previous owner lowsided once too (probably at the track). The left fairing had been repaired with some sort of plastic weld when I bought it (which I had to repair again -- less elegantly -- after my minor adventure at Summit). Speaking of bodywork, the tailpiece is an Airtech TZ250 tailpiece, which gives the bike a completely different GP-ish look. It also means that I had to do a DIY DOT-legal brake/tail light. Tailpiece got banged up in my lowside at Summit, but I repaired it. Finally, a couple of small cracks in the upper but they've all been patched up. These are not 100% perfect professional repairs (hey, it's really a track bike!) Frame was painted flat-black by the previous owner, as was the bodywork. All sorts of pics and words at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas/chux_gsxr.htm. I have all the paperwork that the original owner gave me when I bought it, as well as for any shop work I've had done. One final note: my FZR will pass inspection in VA because VA law doesn't require turn signals and I don't have any. I can't vouch for it passing in either DC or MD. And if you need/want turn signals, that's completely up to you. Also, it doesn't have a rear license plate light (which it's technically supposed to have) but I've never been hassled about it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 3 18:24:53 2004 Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 18:42:42 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Could use some truck/trailer help... On Sat, 3 Apr 2004, Rob Keiser wrote: > Well, my time finally came, I guess. > > Went down on Rt. 80 near Urbana because of some mud in the road. I'm only > banged up a bit but the bike is a little scraped down on the left side. > > Does anybody have a truck/trailer that I could use to help get it home? The > bike is in Urbana and I live in Germantown. > > Thanks. I'll write up a longer version later. > > Rob > '98 VFR800 Rob, drop me a line. I live in Ijamsville (right off Ijamsville Rd) and can help you out. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 4 00:46:52 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Could use some truck/trailer help... Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 00:46:41 -0500 Just wanted to say a big Thanks to all the offers for help. The bike is resting comfortably in the garage until the insurance company decides what they'd like to do next. I'm in no rush. My membership to HRCA had initially slipped my mind, and after calling them, they stepped up and got me in touch with Kenny at Independent MC Transport. Long story short....(since I'm kinda tired)....riding Westbound on Rt. 80 from 75 in some traffic. Came over the crest of a small hill and ran into a thick line of mud/rocks that was lying in the middle of the lane from a truck coming out of a construction site. When trying to get on the dry part of the lane, the bike slid out from under me. Low side left. SUV behind moved over to miss me and tagged the bike (from what he said) doing minimal damage to it. Bike is (needless to say) a little rough, but fixable. No major damage here. Right hand a little tingly and left knee swollen. The gear really saved me a lot of pain. No question. But I'm sure I'll be sore tomorrow. The people in that area couldn't have been nicer and probably had 911 dialed before I stopped sliding. Can go into more detail if people are interested, but right now, I'm tired. Time for bed. Thanks again, everyone. As much as this list can really annoy the crap out of me sometimes, it is a community that looks after their own. I appreciate that very much. 'night. Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Multiple plans available. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 4 09:32:34 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 09:32:17 EDT Subject: Re: Speedwerks is Awesome! (a trip report w/ new rotors, tires, and crabs) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/3/2004 12:08:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > I put > the rotors on using the shop's electric impact wrench. That tool works! NEVER! Never, never, never use an impact wrench to install rotors! They should be torqued using a good torque wrench to the manufacturers specifications. Over tightening (easy to do) can weaken the bolts, under tightening can result in failure due to loosening. > I'm thinking I should have saved the money and gotten all electrical > tools instead of an air-driven setup. Because they be no air at the > track. FYI: DeWalt now has rechargeable (cordless) impact drivers, I am lusting after one myself. Should be perfect at a track. > have sliding 2-pin brakes. Did you lube the pins? If the pins do not move freely your brakes will not work properly and will wear quickly. New "bumper sticker" on the ST1100. "Eat right, stay fit, DIE ANYWAY!" John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 5 06:14:35 2004 Subject: Morning Ride From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 05 Apr 2004 06:11:02 -0400 Of course you don't need to be reminded about flying debris on the ride in (for the folks who bike in). I narrowly avoided a flying cardboard box that was swooping in on an attack run in Springfield. And watch out for roving gangs of orange construction barrels. Seriously though, the chain link fence that's blocking the scaffolding between 14th and 12th on Independence has been blown into the next travel lane. As it gets light, you'll see it but it's almost invisible in the dark. Hopefully the construction guys will put it back before it gets too busy. Ride safe. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 5 10:11:29 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:11:21 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Front wheel mounting, was Re: Speedwerks is Awesome! (a trip report w/ new rotors, tires, and crabs) -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton Steve also showed me how to mount the wheel correctly for once. The factory service manual is typically short on details. The correct way is to snug the axle up (about 45ft/lb instead of the rediculous 72), install calipers, spin wheel and settle brakes a couple times, (he also normally bounces the front-end a couple times), THEN and only then tighten the pinches. ..... ------------------- Hmm, I could swear that's the exact opposite of the Honda Service Manual's procedure for the VFR. Snug the axle hand-tight, install calipers, get the front end settled (bounce the front end if you want), then tighten the pinch bolts. The final step is to torque the axle bolt to spec. Honda provides a .7 mm feeler gauge in the factory tool kit to check for proper rotor clearance. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 Paul in DC 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 Paul in DC 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 5 10:42:02 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:40:44 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speedwerks is Awesome! (a trip report w/ new rotors, tires, and crabs) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 4/3/2004 12:08:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > > > I put > > the rotors on using the shop's electric impact wrench. That tool works! > > NEVER! Never, never, never use an impact wrench to install rotors! They > should be torqued using a good torque wrench to the manufacturers specifications. > Over tightening (easy to do) can weaken the bolts, under tightening can result > in failure due to loosening. Not to mention that uneven torque is the single largest cause of warped rotors... I've seen it done ( and done it myself) just putting on a wheel. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 5 11:59:44 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:53:21 -0400 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: looking for a RAM ball-only At 09:12 AM 4/3/04 -0800, matthew patton wrote: >anyone got a local source for a RAMMount ball with just a little stub >of a bolt? Or does everyone just use cyclegadgets.com? I got mine from cycoactive...GRAHEX is what they call what you are looking for I think: http://www.cycoactive.com/gps/gallery/parts.html (item "V"). It's not local, but they shipped quickly. If you want a much nicer bar clamp than the one RAM sells, check out item W...very nice clamp that works well with the GRAHEX ball...been using it for my GPS all winter. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 5 13:23:51 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX Subject: OT: Roommates needed in Ballston Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:11:44 -0400 I need 2 roommates for a 3 bedroom condo. One old roommates bought and the other is leaving the area after living there for about 6 and 4 years each. I've been there 2 years. Lease starts June 1st. Looking for someone to rent for a year ideally, no pets, no smoking inside. I'm a 28 yr old professional. 1 block from Ballston Metro stop 3 bedroom 2 bath condo basement level large patio fireplace full size washer & dryer in unit storage closet cable modem 1 parking spot, 6 resident spots shared w/ about 12 cars $740 master bedroom, own bath, 2 closets $660 large bedroom, share bath $35 credit check $666.66 security deposit _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 5 13:28:21 2004 Subject: RE: Roommates needed in Ballston Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:28:09 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "rich hall" , So what's the operating theory here; anyone who would agree to a security deposit like this must be the right fit? ;-) You might also consider crosslisting on the craigslist.org site, sounds ideal for a student. Robert -----Original Message----- From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 1:12 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX Subject: OT: Roommates needed in Ballston $666.66 security deposit From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 5 13:37:35 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT: RE: Roommates needed in Ballston Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:37:27 -0400 1/3 of the rent, just happens to come out to that. Somehow this is a little more personal than Craiglist. It'll probably be on there shortly. Being 28 and a few years removed from school, I'd rather have someone closer to that. >From: "Verde, Robert" >To: "rich hall" , >Subject: RE: Roommates needed in Ballston >Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:28:09 -0400 > >So what's the operating theory here; anyone who would agree to a security >deposit like this must be the right fit? ;-) >You might also consider crosslisting on the craigslist.org site, sounds >ideal for a student. >-----Original Message----- >From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 1:12 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX >Subject: OT: Roommates needed in Ballston > >$666.66 security deposit > _________________________________________________________________ Persistent heartburn? Check out Digestive Health & Wellness for information and advice. http://gerd.msn.com/default.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 5 13:44:39 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: looking for a RAM ball-only Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:44:32 -0400 http://www.cycoactive.com/gps/gallery/parts.html Item "C" is what you were looking for Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 5 15:39:08 2004 Subject: Doing it yourself or the help of others Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:41:46 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: After dropping my helmet and scratching an already scratched up shield, I decided to go ahead and replace my shield and "upgrade" by buying a fog city insert. I allowed the sales clerk to help me with installing it and while he did a great job aligning it much better than I did. His fingerprints are plastered between the shield and the insert. I suppose it would be stupid to pry the insert off right now and wipe down the inside of the shield. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 5 15:54:39 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:54:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Doing it yourself or the help of others To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX It would be even worse to try to do it after the tape gets dried out. Leon. --- Julian Halton wrote: > His > fingerprints are plastered between the shield and > the insert. I suppose > it would be stupid to pry the insert off right now > and wipe down the > inside of the shield. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 5 16:04:39 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 16:04:55 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Doing it yourself or the help of others At 03:41 PM 4/5/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > >After dropping my helmet and scratching an already scratched up shield, >I decided to go ahead and replace my shield and "upgrade" by buying a >fog city insert. Depending on what you dropped your helmet on, and how far it fell, you might want to consider a new helmet, or at least getting it checked out by the manufacturer. It doesn't take much of a drop onto something like concrete to cause compression in the shock absorbing material, and/or cracks in the shell that will seriously impair its ability to do its job if you ever need it. You don't have to be in the helmet when it is dropped for such damage to happen. DOT testing doesn't cover double impacts to the same location (SNELL's does though...but they have lower standards for the second impact than for the first I believe). If you are an "I only wear it to avoid the tickets" sort of person, fine, but if you wear a helmet because you actually consider your brain to be one of your favorite organs, you might want to consider getting the helmet checked out. Visible damage doesn't have to be present for the helmet to have been compromised...or so I've read. I hear Arai will inspect a helmet for something like $10 after a fall, plus postage. Don't know if this has to be a "crash fall" or if a "dropped it" fall counts. I'd at least contact the manufacturer and see if you have cause for concern. Unless you dropped it onto a sandpaper-covered feather mattress or something. No idea about the reinstall on the Fog City...the green plastic strip sun-visor I installed on mine came off and went back on just fine the next day though. It was installed like a decal...water and a little soap. After the first ride with it I realized I needed to trim it a bit more, so I pulled it off, cut it down a smidge, and used the same method to reinstall it. That was back in October, and it's still doing fine. IF the Fog City goes on in a similar way, it might work too, but I've never tried it or even owned a Fog City. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 5 16:12:03 2004 Subject: RE: Doing it yourself or the help of others Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:14:42 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Mike Bartman" , I thought about the drop but the helmet landed on its faceplate.. Basically I hung the strap off the piece under my rear seat. The gizmo that allows me to clip the helmet to the side did not hold and so the helmet dropped about a foot onto the ground. The fog city instructions say not to peel it off and readjust. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 4:05 PM To: Julian Halton; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Doing it yourself or the help of others At 03:41 PM 4/5/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > >After dropping my helmet and scratching an already scratched up shield, >I decided to go ahead and replace my shield and "upgrade" by buying a >fog city insert. Depending on what you dropped your helmet on, and how far it fell, you might want to consider a new helmet, or at least getting it checked out by the manufacturer. It doesn't take much of a drop onto something like concrete to cause compression in the shock absorbing material, and/or cracks in the shell that will seriously impair its ability to do its job if you ever need it. You don't have to be in the helmet when it is dropped for such damage to happen. DOT testing doesn't cover double impacts to the same location (SNELL's does though...but they have lower standards for the second impact than for the first I believe). If you are an "I only wear it to avoid the tickets" sort of person, fine, but if you wear a helmet because you actually consider your brain to be one of your favorite organs, you might want to consider getting the helmet checked out. Visible damage doesn't have to be present for the helmet to have been compromised...or so I've read. I hear Arai will inspect a helmet for something like $10 after a fall, plus postage. Don't know if this has to be a "crash fall" or if a "dropped it" fall counts. I'd at least contact the manufacturer and see if you have cause for concern. Unless you dropped it onto a sandpaper-covered feather mattress or something. No idea about the reinstall on the Fog City...the green plastic strip sun-visor I installed on mine came off and went back on just fine the next day though. It was installed like a decal...water and a little soap. After the first ride with it I realized I needed to trim it a bit more, so I pulled it off, cut it down a smidge, and used the same method to reinstall it. That was back in October, and it's still doing fine. IF the Fog City goes on in a similar way, it might work too, but I've never tried it or even owned a Fog City. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 5 16:53:52 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 16:54:09 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Doing it yourself or the help of others Sounds like it's unlikely it got damaged then. If Fog City says not to, I wouldn't...at least not without expecting to have to buy a new one if they are right. Next time, whoever installs it should wear white gloves... ;-) -- Mike B. At 04:14 PM 4/5/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: >I thought about the drop but the helmet landed on its faceplate.. >Basically I hung the strap off the piece under my rear seat. The gizmo >that allows me to clip the helmet to the side did not hold and so the >helmet dropped about a foot onto the ground. The fog city instructions >say not to peel it off and readjust. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] >At 03:41 PM 4/5/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: >> >>After dropping my helmet and scratching an already scratched up shield, > >Depending on what you dropped your helmet on, and how far it fell, you >might want to consider a new helmet, or at least getting it checked out >by the manufacturer. It doesn't take much of a drop onto something like From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 5 23:59:31 2004 From: "Justin Lemrow" To: "'Rob Keiser'" , Subject: RE: Could use some truck/trailer help... Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 23:59:17 -0400 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host48n.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dc-cycles.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - lemrow.com Hey Rob - glad HRCA cam in for you. It would have completely slipped my mind too. I admire your attitude and sentiments towards the community. Well said. Kudos. Cheers, Justin -----Original Message----- From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 12:47 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Could use some truck/trailer help... Just wanted to say a big Thanks to all the offers for help. The bike is resting comfortably in the garage until the insurance company decides what they'd like to do next. I'm in no rush. My membership to HRCA had initially slipped my mind, and after calling them, they stepped up and got me in touch with Kenny at Independent MC Transport. Long story short....(since I'm kinda tired)....riding Westbound on Rt. 80 from 75 in some traffic. Came over the crest of a small hill and ran into a thick line of mud/rocks that was lying in the middle of the lane from a truck coming out of a construction site. When trying to get on the dry part of the lane, the bike slid out from under me. Low side left. SUV behind moved over to miss me and tagged the bike (from what he said) doing minimal damage to it. Bike is (needless to say) a little rough, but fixable. No major damage here. Right hand a little tingly and left knee swollen. The gear really saved me a lot of pain. No question. But I'm sure I'll be sore tomorrow. The people in that area couldn't have been nicer and probably had 911 dialed before I stopped sliding. Can go into more detail if people are interested, but right now, I'm tired. Time for bed. Thanks again, everyone. As much as this list can really annoy the crap out of me sometimes, it is a community that looks after their own. I appreciate that very much. 'night. Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Multiple plans available. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/ direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 6 06:04:33 2004 Subject: Re: Doing it yourself or the help of others From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 06 Apr 2004 06:01:08 -0400 On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 15:41, Julian Halton wrote: > > > > After dropping my helmet and scratching an already scratched up shield, > I decided to go ahead and replace my shield and "upgrade" by buying a > fog city insert. I allowed the sales clerk to help me with installing > it and while he did a great job aligning it much better than I did. His > fingerprints are plastered between the shield and the insert. I suppose > it would be stupid to pry the insert off right now and wipe down the > inside of the shield. > > I removed mine last night and the edges were still sticky enough to keep them together while it sat next to my chair. Given that though, unless the fingerprints are really annoying, I probably wouldn't do it. On the fog city inner shield. Since you had the salesman do it, I'll assume you haven't had one before. I think it was Tom who said it, but basically you need to be careful cleaning it. It's a much softer plastic than the shield and scratches will show up. At the beginning I was using tissue to clean it. I changed to my bandana after a couple of weeks but even being careful it was so scratched up that I felt the difference between the scratches obscuring my view and a little fog were enough to remove it. The double vision at night was the most fun though ;-) Have fun. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 6 06:09:31 2004 Subject: Re: Doing it yourself or the help of others From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 06 Apr 2004 06:06:09 -0400 On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 15:54, Leon Begeman wrote: > It would be even worse to try to do it after the tape > gets dried out. I think it'd take a long time for it to dry. It looks like the same stuff I used to use to stick vugraph frames together when I was a graphic artist. Basically a layer of stick-um. > > Leon. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 6 10:15:41 2004 From: "Copeland, James" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: 2000 VFR for sale Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:12:58 -0400 FOR SALE: 2000 VFR One owner Yellow color Givi Windscreen Heli Bars New Bridgestone B-020 Front and Rear tires One year remains on extended warranty Excellent mechanical condition- I have all service records Cosmetic condition rated 8/10- normal wear 13K miles Located in Northern Virginia Asking $5,850 Please contact: 703-980-2700 or e-mail [james.copeland@XXXXXX] for more info. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 6 18:06:34 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Doing it yourself or the help of others Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:05:12 -0400 > The double vision at night was the most fun though ;-) And chemical-free, too! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 7 10:34:03 2004 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:33:54 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 90 minutes for a piece of tin (DMV) Talk about a disincentive to buy a new bike..... Out of the house at 6. Ride to inspection station. No line; get waved to an inspection bay. Two wheels, yup it's a bike, lights work, horn works. It takes longer for the the machine to spit out the sticker than the entire inspection. Must go inside to get the appropriate rubber stamps. Eat, do the morning ablutions. Out the door at 7:55. Ride to C St. NW DMV office. There are *always* cages parked in the MC-only spots in front of the DMV. I squeeze in next to the scofflaws. Wait in line for the metal detector. Wait in line outside the office. It's supposed to open at 8:15. 8:20 comes; line still not moving. Line begins moving. Wait in line at the information desk. Get a number. Number gets called in about 7 minutes. Lady says she can't/won't do motorcycles. Why? Dunno, prolly 'cuz it's extra work or something. She disappears, then emerges from the cube-scape behind the counter to annouce she's pawning me off on another clerk. OK, things are finally happening. Much scribbling of various notations on my application form. Much surfing of the NADA website to come up with book value for the bike. Yes, KLR, not KLX. What, there's no KLR? Hmmm. KL650A10? OK, close enough. That's right, it's the same NADA site you and I can access on the web. That goes pretty smoothly until the clerk says she doesn't have any "April" month stickers. She ambles away, not to re-appear for 10 minutes. tick, tock, tick, tock.... Waiting for the ink to dry or something? I'm starting to think it would be better just to transfer the VF's mangled old plate to the KLR. She comes back with the stickers APR and 05. $170.80 changes hands, the KLR is now legally registered. Then I try to turn in the old plate from the VF. No can do, since I'm due a refund apparently. They need my original receipt. WTF? What if I don't care about the refund; just take it and give me a receipt. Nope. Go to window #12, she says. But you'll still need the original receipt from the registration renewal. Receipt (if it hasn't been tossed) is at home. No plate turn-in today....or ever, maybe. I just don't want any nastiness to ensue if they do a random check and the plate comes up as belonging to an uninsured bike that's no longer mine. I hit the street at 9:35. Ninety minutes for one piece of tin. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 96 KLR (with new DC plate) Paul in DC 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 7 18:19:42 2004 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:19:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mjordan812@XXXXXX, thomasajordan@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: How Spanish police catch motorcycle riding criminals... http://video.cgi.cbsnews.com/video/...577.wmv&sid=202 Damn! - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 7 18:33:59 2004 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:33:27 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti Subject: Re: 90 minutes for a piece of tin (DMV) To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > No plate turn-in today....or > ever, maybe. I just don't want any nastiness to > ensue if they do a random check and the plate comes > up as belonging to an uninsured bike that's no > longer mine. You can turn them in at the 3rd District Police Station. Probably all police stations. The cop that you give them to will give you a little form that shows what day you turned them in and who accepted them. No fuss, no muss. Cheers, Patti __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 7 19:42:08 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dcpatti" , Subject: Re: 90 minutes for a piece of tin (DMV) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:42:09 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "dcpatti" > > No plate turn-in today....or > > ever, maybe. I just don't want any nastiness to > > ensue if they do a random check and the plate comes > > up as belonging to an uninsured bike that's no > > longer mine. > > You can turn them in at the 3rd District Police > Station. Probably all police stations. I know this was true, once upon a time, but apparently no more. You must return them directly to DMV. Non-DMV drop boxes have been discontinued. http://dmv.dc.gov/about/020104.shtm Friday, January 30, 2004 DC DMV Increases Consumer Protections With a focus on consumer protection, DC DMV will discontinue the use of all neighborhood drop boxes and will place shredding machines at all driver license transaction windows. The drop boxes, located in all seven Metropolitan Police District Headquarters', the Reeves Center, 65 K Street, and 301 C Street, will be sealed until they can be removed from each site. Discontinuing the program prevents incidents of customers saying they've surrendered tags and DMV having no record of receiving tags. "Because we are unable to offer a receipt immediately for a drop box transaction, it is in the best interest of the customer if we remove the boxes," said DMV Director Anne Witt. Additionally, table size shredding machines will be placed at service windows so that all surrendered driver's licenses are shredded in the presence of each customer. "The increase in identity theft has people changing their license numbers from the once required social security number to a computer generated number; it is our duty to protect that information," added Witt. DMV is currently reviewing the possibility of relocating some of the drop boxes inside service centers where receipts can be issued immediately. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 7 19:58:27 2004 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:58:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: 90 minutes for a piece of tin (DMV) To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Talk about a disincentive to buy a new bike..... > Paul in DC > 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 > Talk about a disincentive to live in DC. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 7 21:01:16 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mjordan812@XXXXXX, thomasajordan@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How Spanish police catch motorcycle riding criminals... Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 21:01:48 -0400 And in DC the police are not allowed to chase fleeing criminals. I bet if they all got owned like that spanish guy did crime would probably go down :) rob On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:19:55 -0500, Sean Jordan wrote > http://video.cgi.cbsnews.com/video/...577.wmv&sid=202 > > Damn! > > - Sean Jordan -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 8 08:46:29 2004 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 08:46:23 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: How Spanish police catch motorcycle riding criminals... Wow. Probably not a good idea to take hostages and make threats in a country that's just had terrorist attacks. Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Sean Jordan Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:19:55 -0500 > >http://video.cgi.cbsnews.com/video/...577.wmv&sid=202 > > >Damn! > >- Sean Jordan > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 8 11:22:40 2004 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:22:19 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How Spanish police catch motorcycle riding criminals... Chris Norloff wrote: > Wow. > > Probably not a good idea to take hostages and make threats in a country that's just had terrorist attacks. > > Chris Part of me wants to cheer the police for this, but the motorcyclist in me just cringes... :-/ -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 8 11:29:31 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: How Spanish police catch motorcycle riding criminals... Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:29:19 -0400 > > From: Dale Horstman > Date: 2004/04/08 Thu AM 11:22:19 EDT > To: cnorloff@XXXXXX > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: How Spanish police catch motorcycle riding criminals... > > Chris Norloff wrote: > > > Wow. > > > > Probably not a good idea to take hostages and make threats in a country that's just had terrorist attacks. > > > > Chris > > Part of me wants to cheer the police for this, but > the motorcyclist in me just cringes... :-/ > > -- ...what surprised me was that in the video, the guy did that double flip and then started to stand up like he was ready to run. Me, I would of just laid there groaning. 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 8 11:36:52 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: How Spanish police catch motorcycle riding criminals... Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:25:08 -0400 This is clearly a case where he would have been better served with a large SUV - like a Hummer. Or, maybe a Bradley... ;^) Perry >From: "Chris Norloff" >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: RE: How Spanish police catch motorcycle riding criminals... >Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 08:46:23 -0400 > >Wow. > >Probably not a good idea to take hostages and make threats in a country >that's just had terrorist attacks. > >Chris > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Sean Jordan >Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:19:55 -0500 > > > > >http://video.cgi.cbsnews.com/video/...577.wmv&sid=202 > > > > > >Damn! > > > >- Sean Jordan > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar )B– FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 8 11:56:48 2004 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:56:36 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How Spanish police catch motorcycle riding criminals... X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Probably figured he could outrun them better on a bike. But, if I were the cops, I would have only put about half a gallon of gas in the tank and then let him go. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 4/8/2004 11:25:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > > > This is clearly a case where he would have been better served with a large > SUV - like a Hummer. Or, maybe a Bradley... ;^) > > Perry > > > >From: "Chris Norloff" > >Reply-To: > >To: > >Subject: RE: How Spanish police catch motorcycle riding criminals... > >Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 08:46:23 -0400 > > > >Wow. > > > >Probably not a good idea to take hostages and make threats in a country > >that's just had terrorist attacks. > > > >Chris > > > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > >From: Sean Jordan > >Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:19:55 -0500 > > > > > > > >http://video.cgi.cbsnews.com/video/...577.wmv&sid=202 > > > > > > > > >Damn! > > > > > >- Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 8 12:31:52 2004 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:31:49 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: How Spanish police catch motorcycle riding criminals... I wouldn't be surprised if the police thought he'd stop. It's not like the police car raced out and hit him. The police car drove in front of him and he hit it. We deal with car drivers like that all the time here! Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Dale Horstman Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:22:19 -0400 >Chris Norloff wrote: > >> Wow. >> >> Probably not a good idea to take hostages and make threats in a country that's just had terrorist attacks. >> >> Chris > >Part of me wants to cheer the police for this, but >the motorcyclist in me just cringes... :-/ > >-- >Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > >Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer >Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi >CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike > >The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play >Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 8 12:38:17 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: How Spanish police catch motorcycle riding criminals... Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:37:56 -0400 What video were you watching? He was in passing the cross walk before the car moved. I doubt that anyone on this list would of missed that car unless they *really* expected that to happen. I like it. Talk about a deterrent from being a dumbass.... -Jim -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:32 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How Spanish police catch motorcycle riding criminals... I wouldn't be surprised if the police thought he'd stop. It's not like the police car raced out and hit him. The police car drove in front of him and he hit it. We deal with car drivers like that all the time here! Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Dale Horstman Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:22:19 -0400 >Chris Norloff wrote: > >> Wow. >> >> Probably not a good idea to take hostages and make threats in a country that's just had terrorist attacks. >> >> Chris > >Part of me wants to cheer the police for this, but the motorcyclist in >me just cringes... :-/ > >-- >Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > >Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer >Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi >CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike > >The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play >Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 8 16:14:31 2004 Subject: MSF Courses Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:17:08 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Two Questions: When is the experienced rider course this year? Is there any way to slot two mature adults into the BRC at Nova Alexandria? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 8 16:31:55 2004 From: Sunil Doshi Subject: Re: MSF Courses Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:31:46 -0400 To: DC Cycles I just signed up for the May 7 class. The whole listing is here: http://www.nv.cc.va.us/alexandria/moto/AdvancedMotorCourses.htm Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to understand the new online registration system for NVCC. After a solid 45 minutes, I got signed up. And I think I had it easier because I took the regular MSF class last year (meaning I was in the system already). If anyone needs some assistance with the system, I can try to help... On Apr 8, 2004, at 4:17 PM, Julian Halton wrote: > Two Questions: > When is the experienced rider course this year? > > Is there any way to slot two mature adults into the BRC at Nova > Alexandria? > > > > sunil :: proteus / changing your shape for the future sunil doshi, senior interface designer tel [202.452.6800 x101] [202.452.6866] fax http://proteus.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 8 16:34:12 2004 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:34:08 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF Courses It's all on-line now. Check out http://nvcc.edu/loudoun/continuing/asp/view.asp?key=Motorcycle+Rider+Training (Loudoun in the venue for the ERC; classes are scheduled every two to three weeks throughout the summer) http://www.nv.cc.va.us/alexandria/moto/index.htm BRC at Alex. Paul in DC -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton Two Questions: When is the experienced rider course this year? Is there any way to slot two mature adults into the BRC at Nova Alexandria? Paul in DC 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 8 16:42:18 2004 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:41:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Paul Wilson , Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF Courses That's what I get for shooting off my mouth without looking at *all* the materials. ERC - Skills Plus is being offered at Alexandria this year, but only on Fridays, it would appear. The ERC is offered at Loudoun on Sundays. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson Sent: Apr 8, 2004 4:34 PM To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF Courses It's all on-line now. Check out http://nvcc.edu/loudoun/continuing/asp/view.asp?key=Motorcycle+Rider+Training (Loudoun in the venue for the ERC; classes are scheduled every two to three weeks throughout the summer) http://www.nv.cc.va.us/alexandria/moto/index.htm BRC at Alex. Paul in DC -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton Two Questions: When is the experienced rider course this year? Is there any way to slot two mature adults into the BRC at Nova Alexandria? Paul in DC 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 Paul in DC 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 8 20:14:41 2004 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:01:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: MSF Courses I'm teaching ERC Apr 18 at Loudoun. Dont know that I have ever had a full class, but now that they have registration online, you should be able to tell. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 8 21:17:13 2004 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:17:01 -0400 From: Dougoates@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: moto duds, great condition, great price X-AOL-IP: 69.138.253.216 Please accept my apology in advance for posting some motorcycle apparel for sale on the list. I hope this is not too much of a faux pas seeing that some folks may benefit from the cheap prices :-). My sport riding days are over so I am selling a literally new Dainese race suit, and a BMW cordura touring set. Here are the feckless links to the ebay listings. Thanks. Dainese T Age ------------- http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6750&item=2471904824 BMW Commuter ------------ http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6750&item=2471973775 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 8 23:42:59 2004 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:43:17 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thomasajordan@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: I need $70,000 The oval-pistoned wonder. . . man, do I want one. - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 8 23:47:21 2004 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:47:40 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thomasajordan@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: I need $70,000 - cliff hanger resolved. D'oh - forgot to post the link. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2472904157&category=6708 - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 8 23:49:02 2004 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 23:48:54 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: Sean Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, thomasajordan@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I need $70,000 ??? tell the story, f00! Sean Jordan wrote: > > The oval-pistoned wonder. . . man, do I want one. > > - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 9 08:55:31 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'julian@XXXXXX'" , "'DCBobMcKeithen'" Subject: MSF Courses Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:01:21 -0400 Julian Halton queried "When is the experienced rider course this year?" The Virginia answers are good . . . but . . . You should bug Bob McKeithen for when the next ERC is in West (By God) Virginia. They have a really nice facility just west of Martinsburg. Plus, after you've scrubbed in your tires, you can go on a nice ride or just whoop around on the truck course. )B¿Bob? Wilson Posted: It's all on-line now. Check out http://nvcc.edu/loudoun/continuing/asp/view.asp?key=Motorcycle+Rider+Trainin g (Loudoun in the venue for the ERC; classes are scheduled every two to three weeks throughout the summer) http://www.nv.cc.va.us/alexandria/moto/index.htm BRC at Alex. Paul in DC Carl (Who didn't ride in today?) in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 9 13:34:07 2004 Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:32:38 -0400 From: Skip To: Todd Withrow CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 90 minutes for a piece of tin (DMV) Todd Withrow wrote: > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > Talk about a disincentive to buy a new bike..... > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 > > > > Talk about a disincentive to live in DC. as if i needed another... :~) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 9 15:07:57 2004 Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 15:07:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: MD Helmet Law News Looks like Maryland is moving towards dropping the helmet law for those over 21. http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?sid=188136&nid=25 I couldn't have said this better : "We're not against helmets," said Gary "Pappy" Boward, ABATE Maryland director. "We believe it should be the adult right to choose." Beautiful riding today. Little slippery this morning, but perfect at lunch. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kinds of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt. - Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, 146 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 9 15:15:28 2004 Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 15:15:18 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Helmet - Free to a good home X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Or donation to the MSF. Who did I give one to a year or so ago to take to the MSF? Anyway, I bought a Roof Boxer helmet online about 2.5 years ago and it doesn't quite fit. I used my Shoei RF700 size (Small) to buy it and it is too large. It fits like a Medium or Large Shoei. Anyway, I've worn it 2 or 3 times and it is now taking up space in my closet. It's pretty cool. It looks like a Russian fighter pilot helmet with flip up chinbar and I have the dark tinted visor. And I do mean DARK. First come, first serve. I'm in DC. You can pick up or I'll be happy to deliver if the weather is nice. ;-) Since this list doesn't like attachments, I can't send a pic so, if anyone wants to see it, shoot me an e-mail. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 9 15:50:48 2004 Subject: RE: MD Helmet Law News Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:50:17 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Troutman" , I thought that Maryland used to be a helmet-free state, at least when I rode through there in the late eighties it sure seemed that way. Last line of news story; "The measure now heads to the House of Delegates, where lawmakers say it has little chance of passing before the session ends Monday." Robert -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 3:08 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MD Helmet Law News Looks like Maryland is moving towards dropping the helmet law for those over 21. http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?sid=188136&nid=25 I couldn't have said this better : "We're not against helmets," said Gary "Pappy" Boward, ABATE Maryland director. "We believe it should be the adult right to choose." Beautiful riding today. Little slippery this morning, but perfect at lunch. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kinds of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt. - Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, 146 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 9 16:15:14 2004 Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 16:15:02 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Helmet is gone - so far. :-) X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Skip was the first response. If it fits his noggin, its his. Next came Paul W. then Robert V. Just waiting to hear back from Skip how he wants to collect it. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 9 17:13:32 2004 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:13:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Interesting Key News To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I stopped by the Suzuki dealer and picked up three key blanks so that I can try to make my own for the GSXR. Tim (the guy I got the bike from) lost the keys last time and had a locksmith come out and cut him a new one based on the gas tank. It didn't fit the ignition so Tim pulled it out and filed down a couple of the pins until the key worked. Since he only had one side cut, it wouldn't quite work if it wasn't facing forward when you used it. Same with the gas tank. Anyway, I was just in the garage getting ready to make my first run with my hobby files and my dremel. I tried the tank and it didn't work but it was stiff even with the regular key. I figured that since Tim had made the ignition fit the tank, I'd use the ignition to work on the key. I put it in and lo and behold, the blank turned off the bike. It even locked the wheel. I still can't get the gas tank opened, but I figure I'd ask the list if anyone had an idea for a replacement cap. Even a pop up one like Leon has would work as far as I'm concerned. Aren't all the caps the same size? Could I get any cap to work or would I have to replace it? I'll just have to make use of the disc lock more often :-) Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 9 21:29:00 2004 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Interesting Key News Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 21:28:57 -0400 These are quite nice. Not much for security though (and a little pricey) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=247247861 6&category=35586 Then there is always option B (which I have used with great success on a 93 GSXR750.) Drill out the lock cylinder in the gas cap... I think it's about 1/2" or so.. When you get all the cylinder-bits out, you'll have a couple metal tabs that you can twist apa